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<v Speaker 1>A forty fifty five krc DE talk station. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>props to Dan Regnold for creating the empower You Seminar series.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful learning opportunities on a whole variety of topics, from

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<v Speaker 1>politics to gardening to lighting. And today I'm pleased to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the fifty five CARC Morning Show Manada is

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<v Speaker 1>all about lighting, Scott Zimmerman. He's the founder of a

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<v Speaker 1>company called Silo Sinc. Maker of ni r A lighting,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my understanding what near what near infrared enhanced lighting,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll explain that in the moment. He has one

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<v Speaker 1>of the thirty five years of experience in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of lighting and displays. Innovations and inventions have been used

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<v Speaker 1>commercially in a wide range of military commercial products, including

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<v Speaker 1>night vision displays, liquid crystal displays, back gliding designs, and

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<v Speaker 1>lighting fixtures, and lately he's been focused on quantifying the

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<v Speaker 1>health effects of natural sunlight and the concerns with LED

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<v Speaker 1>type lighting. Scott Zimmerman, it's great to have you on

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<v Speaker 1>the Morning show. Your Power You seminars taking place tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>night beginning at seven. Listeners know to log in to

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show, sir. It's a pleasure having you

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<v Speaker 1>on today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Well, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>The one common complaint I hear is the modern headlights,

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<v Speaker 1>those brilliant almost blue blasting headlights. It's like the low

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<v Speaker 1>beams are on, but it looks like you're getting hit

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<v Speaker 1>by like five sets of light bulbs, all intense on

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<v Speaker 1>high beam. That's one area where I at least recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people have, at least in my world,

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<v Speaker 1>have complained about. But that's just one element of these

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<v Speaker 1>blue lights.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you. There are

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<v Speaker 2>the headlights are really annoying and a problem. But in general,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people are aware that what the government

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<v Speaker 2>has done with very hivarious doe debardment of energy mandates

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<v Speaker 2>is eliminate about ninety percent of what we get when

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<v Speaker 2>we walk out and look into up there or we're

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<v Speaker 2>in normal outdoor blue sky type of situation. And what

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<v Speaker 2>we're finding is I've been lucky enough to work with

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<v Speaker 2>a number of world leaders in certain areas. Bob Jeffries neuroscientists,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Fosbery astrophysicists, for Robert Swelt, a forward board certification doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're finding that what they took away, the ninety

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the solar spectrum that they took away from

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<v Speaker 2>us with LED lighting is actually affecting our health and

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<v Speaker 2>it was actually being used for some very important purposes

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<v Speaker 2>within the body. So it's been kind of a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting We have probably one of the most diverse group

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<v Speaker 2>of people looking at the problem, and it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're trying to get them to change. What's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, And like I say, it's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than just headlights. It's also just what's affecting our kids, build,

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<v Speaker 2>you learn, or immune system, a bunch of other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Really well, I can understand the evolutionary process. Up until

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<v Speaker 1>very very recent in human mankind's development, we relied on firelight,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course with the incandescent bulb. Of my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>is those did burn on a spectrum that provided this

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<v Speaker 1>red and infrared light that we had become used to.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, enter the global warming phenomenon and these

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<v Speaker 1>you know, compact fluorescent bulbs, which I always absolutely hated.

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<v Speaker 1>Segue to LED bulbs, which until recently, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you about them, up until recently they were

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<v Speaker 1>really harsh. You know, the light was intense white light

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't have any color to it. There's no warm

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<v Speaker 1>glow to it now with modern LEDs, and I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 1>you don't tell me that my can lights which are

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<v Speaker 1>LED are bad froom because they're adjustable and you can

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<v Speaker 1>get a warm glow from them. Is that the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of NIRA technology you're talking about that's now being developed

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<v Speaker 1>or have I got that wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately it's not all they've done. It's the eye

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<v Speaker 2>has a very limited only measures of UR can only

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<v Speaker 2>detect about ten percent of the solar spectrum and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it it has no idea what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the lighting industry, you know, one of those green,

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<v Speaker 2>misguided but well intended green attempts at saving energy. They said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just take the ninety percent that nature has been

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<v Speaker 2>providing for millions of years and the body has adapted

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<v Speaker 2>to and get rid of it, and instead we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to only give you the part that chair I respond to, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds like a great thought. Unfortunately, those other wavelengths

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<v Speaker 2>were actually there to actually make it so that you

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<v Speaker 2>could see safely. And so what are you seeing you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing explosion in blue blockers, in red light therapy, in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, forest bathing, all these things. The public is

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<v Speaker 2>sensing that there is a problem here, and now we're

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<v Speaker 2>putting some sign behind it, and it's showing that hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, those longer wavelengths that we can't see, we're

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<v Speaker 2>actually there so that you could safely be in a

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<v Speaker 2>blue sky or had you know, some of the immune

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<v Speaker 2>improve your immune response or ability of the mitochondria to

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<v Speaker 2>actually generate energy. And what's fascinating is that it's this

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<v Speaker 2>multi disciplined team is now getting a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>jumping on the bandwagon saying, hey, you know, maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we may win a little too far, and we actually

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<v Speaker 2>have a petition now and to try and pull back

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<v Speaker 2>some of the mandates that the DOE put in place,

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<v Speaker 2>especially under the Biden administration, to say, you know where

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<v Speaker 2>they were essentially creating requirements that would make for a

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<v Speaker 2>toxic environment as far as all the lighting and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to die tomorrow. I'm not saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>point is is good, you know. You know. The point

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<v Speaker 2>is is that you know, after millions of years of

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<v Speaker 2>adaptation to the solar spectrum, the body has developed some

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<v Speaker 2>amazing optic My field is optical engineering, So I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at the optic side of things, and you see that

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<v Speaker 2>the body literally collects and localizes some of these longer

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<v Speaker 2>wavelengths around the fetus during development and or in through

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<v Speaker 2>the brain structure. You know, I keep on saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>think about the old days where you had a flashlight

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<v Speaker 2>and you stuck it in your mouth and you were

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<v Speaker 2>telling ghost stories and you see everything kind of glow

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<v Speaker 2>red and orange. Well, the longer wavelengths actually penetrate deep

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<v Speaker 2>into the body and they are stimulating various things that

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<v Speaker 2>we are only now beginning to understand. But it is

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<v Speaker 2>clearly something that is the body expects, and if it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get it, then there's going to be an adverse effect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like ying yang. You know, you need

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<v Speaker 2>the visible to see and do your work and all

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<v Speaker 2>this other stuff, but the longer wavelengths are there to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Okay, well that takes it is as harmful

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways, We're going to use this to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of offset it. So it's kind of like a on

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, a like I say, a Yin yang

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<v Speaker 1>Well, since we are literally surrounded by these everywhere we

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<v Speaker 1>go these days. And I've been working under fluorescent lights

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<v Speaker 1>for as long as I've been in a job. I

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<v Speaker 1>presume that those also lack these red and infrared spectrums.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct, and you know, and what Glenn's done in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>he's done a lot of studies now where he's showing that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the the reintroducing the longer wavelengths having a

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<v Speaker 2>positive effect on your eye ability to see color, contrast

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<v Speaker 2>or other aspects. There's a strong a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are doing red light therapy to increase wound healing. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>those are real effects, and they do add up over time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Glenn's done some great work with animal insects and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that to show the twenty five percent increase

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<v Speaker 2>in a lifetime associated with those flies and things of

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<v Speaker 2>that nature. But we're just now starting to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>all these different longer wavelengths that you can't see with

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<v Speaker 2>your eye are just as important and in some ways

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<v Speaker 2>more important. And unfortunately, there was a time when you

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<v Speaker 2>may have been under a fluorescent light during work, but

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<v Speaker 2>you came home to an incandescent and read his story

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<v Speaker 2>to your son or your daughter, and that was giving

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<v Speaker 2>you a plent or you had a fire in the

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<v Speaker 2>fireplace going or things of that nature. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these thermal sources are broad bandomitters that clear out into

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<v Speaker 2>way out into the longer wavelengths. And as we dig deeper,

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing more and more cases where isn't that a

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<v Speaker 2>coincidence that this is localized near this particular thing, And

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<v Speaker 2>then you throw that in and so in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of ways, what we have is while RFK Junior is

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<v Speaker 2>focused on processed food, we have processed sunlight and it

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<v Speaker 2>is negatively impacting our ability for our kids to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's you know, and proving all that will take

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<v Speaker 2>time and effort, but it's it's something that's simple to

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<v Speaker 2>fix and and it still saves some energy. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what our products are basically showing. But my main

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<v Speaker 2>focus is not on our products. So my main focus

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<v Speaker 2>we tell everybody please just go outside. Don't be stupid outside,

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<v Speaker 2>I put it, wear a hat. You know, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>out there to bake yourself. But simply walking the forest

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<v Speaker 2>then enhances the amount of near and for red that

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting into your body, and there's a positive effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the production of vitamin D because not of us,

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<v Speaker 1>all of us have enough vitamin D in our bodies

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<v Speaker 1>because we send so much time in the house. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're at work for eight hours or more and then

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<v Speaker 1>we go home and we sit in front of our laptops.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understanding laptops also have this negative effect in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the light that they produce.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are only visible lighting. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>think about children. This is the first generation where this

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<v Speaker 2>is having a marked effect, and that you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>used to be you and I we would go out

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<v Speaker 2>Even children's sports nowadays are usually done indoors under artificial

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<v Speaker 2>lighting that contains none of these longer wavelengths. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so if we can encourage people to safely and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to in the afternoon after school, the

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<v Speaker 2>kids are not going to get a bunch of sunburns

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<v Speaker 2>or things like that. In ninety nine, Flame of the Places,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, if they're working under doing stuff under

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<v Speaker 2>trees or whatever, that's that's just more of the positive

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<v Speaker 2>because if you get a chance. Bob Posberry has some

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<v Speaker 2>great pictures of what's going on within the body where

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<v Speaker 2>he shows how the near infra red penetrates all the

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<v Speaker 2>way through your hand into your internal organs and then

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<v Speaker 2>the trees when you're outdoors are reflecting in there and

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<v Speaker 2>for red. So it's kind of like a pair of

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<v Speaker 2>nature sunglasses where absorbing the visible and the UV but

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<v Speaker 2>reflecting the they air inf red into people when you're

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<v Speaker 2>outdoors interacting with nature. And so that's sort of and

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<v Speaker 2>what's really exciting is is that Bob R. Roger Swelt

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<v Speaker 2>is starting to He's a board certified doctor, emergency room doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>pulmonary doctor. He started to take his parent patients out

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing positive results by just simply going outside with him. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So one takeaway we get today from Scott Zimerman, who's

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<v Speaker 1>doing the seminar tomorrow night beginning at seven pm and

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<v Speaker 1>power you America dot or get over there and register

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<v Speaker 1>and learn more about this one takeaway today, get outside

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoy some sunlight and forest bathing. Ron Wilson, our

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<v Speaker 1>gardening expert, would love to hear this. If he was

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<v Speaker 1>listening right now, he will be smiling with delight. This

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<v Speaker 1>has been fascinating. Scott Zimerman, I look forward to my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners joining the program tomorrow night, seven pm. Log in

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<v Speaker 1>and learn something, and get home and get outside for

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<v Speaker 1>a change. Thanks for your time today, it's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Gary,