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<v Speaker 1>Who says he will no longer hide the truth move.

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<v Speaker 1>Lazarre claims our government captured alien spaceships UFOs and keeps

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<v Speaker 1>them in a secret warehouse. And that's not all, Bob says,

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Sam hired him to figure out how they fly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're skeptical, you have plenty of company. Lazarre has

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<v Speaker 1>been questioned and criticized. He even had to take a

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<v Speaker 1>lie detective test, and that's when some people started believing him.

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<v Speaker 1>Van Housley has the inside report. Man wants to blow

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<v Speaker 1>the lid off what could be the greatest story never told,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people who seem to be trying to stop him.

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<v Speaker 2>Strange lights over Las Vegas, within view of tourists and

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<v Speaker 2>gamblers along the city's Casino Road. What are the odds

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<v Speaker 2>these are alien spacecrafts out for an evening spin? Or

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<v Speaker 2>would you bet they're simply standard aircraft or worse yet,

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of hopes. Before you decide, take a look

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<v Speaker 2>at another shot on this home video where what does

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<v Speaker 2>appear to be an aircraft Stray's interview along with the lights.

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<v Speaker 3>Strange things like.

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<v Speaker 2>This have been appearing over the Nevada Desert for years.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer to the mystery may lie in the sprawling

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<v Speaker 2>Nevada nuclear test site just north of the city, in

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<v Speaker 2>a place called Area fifty one. Area fifty one is

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<v Speaker 2>known by other names Groom Lake, Dreamland, the skunk Works.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an isolated military facility where the US developed its

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<v Speaker 2>most top secret projects. The U two spyplane was developed here,

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<v Speaker 2>so was its replacement, the high flying Blackbird, along with

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<v Speaker 2>the current stealth aircraft and star Wars. But there are

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<v Speaker 2>some who believe these formerly secret projects are nothing compared

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<v Speaker 2>to what's currently under wraps. Not too many people live

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<v Speaker 2>out here in the remote sections of the Nevada Desert,

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<v Speaker 2>far from the lights of Las Vegas, but here on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of the secret US government test facilities, people

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<v Speaker 2>who have been seeing strange things for years. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>them talk about it, a lot of them don't. But

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<v Speaker 2>no one who has actually worked on the test site

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<v Speaker 2>or talked about what goes on there, No one that

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<v Speaker 2>is until now.

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<v Speaker 4>They are actively.

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<v Speaker 5>And having their possession alien spacecraft, and they are actively

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<v Speaker 5>undergoing analysis and flying and flying them.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Lazaar is an engineer and a physicist. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he worked on flying saucers for the US government at

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<v Speaker 2>Area fifty one through these sketches of one of nine

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<v Speaker 2>different saucers, he says the government has in a secret warehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Lazar gave the saucers each names according to their various shapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Top Hat, the sport model, the Jello mold called in

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<v Speaker 2>to help figure out how they work. Lazarre says the

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<v Speaker 2>saucers are powered by an anti matter generator fueled with

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<v Speaker 2>an element which he says could only have come from

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<v Speaker 2>another planet.

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<v Speaker 3>They set up.

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<v Speaker 5>And produced their own gravitational field.

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<v Speaker 3>Just as the Earth holds all matter down.

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<v Speaker 5>They produce that same field, but out of phase, and

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<v Speaker 5>it repels itself. The effects that can cause. The way

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<v Speaker 5>in which everything operates is by all intensive purposes magic.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it is so far beyond our level of technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, before you toss Lazar on the pile with all

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<v Speaker 2>the other UFO wackos, understand that he willingly agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>take a lie detector test requested and independently arranged by

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<v Speaker 2>a Las Vegas reporter. Terry Tabernetti is the ex cop

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<v Speaker 2>who administered the test.

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<v Speaker 6>If he's lying, he had been Hollywood because he gave

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<v Speaker 6>absolutely no physiological indications of the tempting deception.

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<v Speaker 2>Lazarre says he was referred to his government job by

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Edward Teller, the renowned scientist who helped develop the

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<v Speaker 2>atomic bomb, but in a rare interview with Inside Report,

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<v Speaker 2>Teller insisted he doesn't know Lazar, or at least does

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<v Speaker 2>remember him. I think it appears that someone's trying away

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<v Speaker 2>from Mount George Knapp is the Las Vegas TV reporter

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<v Speaker 2>who first aired to Bob Lazar's amazing planes. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he ran into unusual problems just trying to look into

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<v Speaker 2>Lazar's background. The Lazarre claimed who have once worked at

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<v Speaker 2>they lost Alamo's National Laboratory. Government officials denied they knew

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<v Speaker 2>anything about him, but when Napp came up with a

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<v Speaker 2>phone directory listing Lazar's name, Los Alamost grudgingly admitted he

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<v Speaker 2>had spent some time there. Officials at the hospital where

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<v Speaker 2>Lazar was born even denied the simple fact he was

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<v Speaker 2>born there until Nap tracked down the doctor who delivered Lazar.

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<v Speaker 2>I find Bob to be credible, and the main reason

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<v Speaker 2>is because the story hasn't changed. It stayed from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been the same, It hasn't expanded like some of

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<v Speaker 2>these UFO tails you hear has been the same, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've been through a lot of different interview sessions, many

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<v Speaker 2>on camera, many more off camera, and it stayed exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same, consistent. But even inside the community of UFO believers,

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<v Speaker 2>there are many who are skeptical of Bob Lazar's claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Nuclear physicists stand in freedom and says Blazaar may indeed

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<v Speaker 2>be the real thing, but he says he can also

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<v Speaker 2>believe Lazar might be a hoaster or worse yet, a

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<v Speaker 2>government agent's false stories designed to cover more important secrets.

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<v Speaker 7>I find Bob Lazarre as somebody who isn't silly, who

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<v Speaker 7>does say totally stupid things, who comes across will but

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<v Speaker 7>I certainly until I get verification, cannot endorse the legitimacy

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<v Speaker 7>of what he is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Lazaarre says he quit his job working on the

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<v Speaker 2>government saucers when his bosses began harassing him because he

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<v Speaker 2>was letting others in on.

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<v Speaker 4>The big secret.

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<v Speaker 2>But now that others are greeting his claims with skepticism

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<v Speaker 2>and outright hostility, he says he wishes he just kept

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<v Speaker 2>his big mouth shut. Lazaar says he never took the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of breaking security lightly. He just wanted to let

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>In on a story.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, we all should have been told.

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<v Speaker 3>Why keep a.

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<v Speaker 5>Secret about probably one of the most important events in history,

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<v Speaker 5>that there's been contact from an alien civilization. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>significant event in history, more significant than anything.

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<v Speaker 8>Could be.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 9>See, I was paid by the Department of Naval Intelligence,

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<v Speaker 9>and what they're doing researching extraterrestrial craft is beyond me,

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<v Speaker 9>but that's where my checks came from, so I can

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<v Speaker 9>only assume that they were in charge of that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was put into the briefing room with.

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<v Speaker 9>A one hundred and twenty one or twenty two briefings

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<v Speaker 9>and really was just told to sit and read through them.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposedly the information.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, this isn't something that I determined, it's something I

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<v Speaker 9>was told that the crafts originated from a planet that

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<v Speaker 9>orbited the Zeta reticularly star system, Zata articularly one, and

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<v Speaker 9>Zeta reticularly two or two stars of a binary star system.

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<v Speaker 9>The craft allegedly came from there. One or two autopsy

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<v Speaker 9>photographs I saw dealt with just a small photograph a

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<v Speaker 9>bus shot essentially just head, shoulders and chest of an

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<v Speaker 9>alien with a chest was cut open in tea fashion,

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<v Speaker 9>and one single organ was removed, the organ itself, and

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<v Speaker 9>the other picture was cut in vivisection, essentially the showing

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<v Speaker 9>the different chambers in there. This was totally unrelated to

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<v Speaker 9>anything I was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>But from that photograph.

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<v Speaker 9>It looked like what you see in UFO lore as

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<v Speaker 9>the typical gray.

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<v Speaker 3>So how tall it was.

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<v Speaker 9>From what I could see, I couldn't tell because I only.

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<v Speaker 3>Saw a portion of the photograph.

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<v Speaker 9>But if everything else you see is correct, I would

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<v Speaker 9>imagine it was three and a half or four feet tall.

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<v Speaker 9>But there again, you know, all I had to see

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<v Speaker 9>was a photograph, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I didn't have much to go on.

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<v Speaker 9>Allegedly, this interaction has occurred since you know, man was

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<v Speaker 9>a simian creature, and you know there were genetic alterations made.

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<v Speaker 10>How specifically did the briefings detail how the aliens manipulated

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<v Speaker 10>our genetics over the centuries.

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<v Speaker 9>It mentioned sixty five or sixty three for or additions

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<v Speaker 9>to the genetic makeup that finally resulted in, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>a human creature.

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<v Speaker 3>Allegedly.

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<v Speaker 9>Obviously I didn't see this, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 9>to be fact, but this is what I was told

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<v Speaker 9>that I was hired to replace one of a couple

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<v Speaker 9>people that were killed while working on one of the

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<v Speaker 9>reactors from one of the crafts. Apparently, they for whatever

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<v Speaker 9>reason cut open an operating reactor and the device exploded,

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<v Speaker 9>killing both of them the scientists.

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<v Speaker 3>That were killed there.

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<v Speaker 9>Allegedly, the detonation from the explosion was fairly large. It

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<v Speaker 9>would have rivaled a small tactical nuke. So it was

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<v Speaker 9>done at the Nevada test site and it was to

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<v Speaker 9>be passed off as an unannounced nuclear test. Again, this

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<v Speaker 9>is a story that was related to me and allegedly

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<v Speaker 9>what happened in seventy nine, there was some sort of

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<v Speaker 9>information exchange going on where there were actually live a

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<v Speaker 9>at the facility, and at one particular point there was

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<v Speaker 9>an area where some security personnel went to enter and

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<v Speaker 9>apparently because not the side arms, but the bullets and

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<v Speaker 9>the side arms, from what I understand, if they would

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<v Speaker 9>have entered the area, the bullets would have detonated, and

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<v Speaker 9>supposedly one of the creatures tried to stop the security

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<v Speaker 9>personnel from entering the area and a fight ensued and

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<v Speaker 9>the bottom line from the altercation was that the security

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<v Speaker 9>personnel I don't remember how many were involved, but were

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<v Speaker 9>all killed and they died of head wounds. And that's

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<v Speaker 9>all that all that I heard of that story. There

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<v Speaker 9>were twenty two people with Majestic clearance. I had Majestic clearance.

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<v Speaker 9>Majestic clearance was designated as clearance thirty eight levels above

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<v Speaker 9>Q clearance, and Q clearance is the civilian top secret clearance.

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<v Speaker 9>It probably really hit me when I got inside the

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<v Speaker 9>craft and looked around and began to understand how the

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<v Speaker 9>craft was operated, and finally grasped the whole project as

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<v Speaker 9>a whole, as what we were doing, the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>we weren't building this thing. We were trying to find

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<v Speaker 9>out how it was made. We were back engineering it. Normally,

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<v Speaker 9>the bus pulled around to the opposite end of the facility,

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<v Speaker 9>which was the main entrance, and that's where we went

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<v Speaker 9>in on this particular occasion. It pulled up to one

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<v Speaker 9>of the hanger doors which were normally closed, and the

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<v Speaker 9>last one was open. We came out and I saw

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<v Speaker 9>the disc in the hangar. Upon seeing it, it struck

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<v Speaker 9>me that, well, this explains all the UFO sidings, not

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<v Speaker 9>thinking that it was an extraterrestrial craft, that this must

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<v Speaker 9>have been some advanced form of fighter that we've been

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<v Speaker 9>working on for years, and you know, people have just

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<v Speaker 9>caught it being tested, so on and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 9>it never even occurred to me, even though I was

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<v Speaker 9>looking at it an extraterrestrial vehicle that you know this

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<v Speaker 9>wasn't man made. People have asserted that, boy, that must

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<v Speaker 9>have been the most exciting time in your life, and

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<v Speaker 9>that's not the way it was when I first got

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<v Speaker 9>to look inside the craft. All I can say it's

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<v Speaker 9>an ominous feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>You walk in there and it feels as if you

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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 9>I know it sounds kind of corny, but it's a

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<v Speaker 9>real ominous feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not an exciting feeling.

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<v Speaker 9>It brings up a whole lot of questions in your mind,

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<v Speaker 9>well where did this come from? And you know that

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<v Speaker 9>they won't give you the answers to the whole story,

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<v Speaker 9>but it's that's the only way I can describe it.

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<v Speaker 9>There are nine and their shapes vary. I only got

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<v Speaker 9>to do a close inspection on one of them. The

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<v Speaker 9>others I just briefly saw, and they pretty much vary it.

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<v Speaker 3>I give everything nicknames there.

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<v Speaker 9>The one I worked on was kind of sleek looking,

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<v Speaker 9>and I give it the name of the sport. There

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<v Speaker 9>was one that looked like a gello mole. There was

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<v Speaker 9>one that looked like.

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<v Speaker 3>A top hat.

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<v Speaker 9>There was a disc that was turned up on its

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<v Speaker 9>side and it had a large projectile hole with a

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<v Speaker 9>were testing it to see if a projectile could penetrate it.

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<v Speaker 9>Of course, it's just a guess on my part. But

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<v Speaker 9>for the most part they were pretty varied. I only

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<v Speaker 9>I just at one point walking through the hanger doors.

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<v Speaker 9>All the bay doors between all the hangers were open,

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<v Speaker 9>and I got a glimpse all the way down the

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<v Speaker 9>whole corridor, but that was the only time it was

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<v Speaker 3>Were three large gravity amplifiers.

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<v Speaker 9>These devices looked like about a two foot diameter four

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<v Speaker 9>foot long piece of pipe hanging a smaller piece of

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<v Speaker 9>positioned and that's what emits the gravitational waves that propel

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<v Speaker 9>the craft. The second level was the only other level

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<v Speaker 9>that I was on that was the main level that

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<v Speaker 9>contained the reactor where the seating was the gravity amplifiers themselves,

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<v Speaker 9>though we also called the devices that hung down on

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<v Speaker 9>the lower level the gravity amplifiers, because there were really

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<v Speaker 9>one and the same. There were probably the wave guides

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<v Speaker 9>or horns if you want to relate that to microwaves.

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<v Speaker 9>It would be extremely inconvenient for a human pilot. Humans

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<v Speaker 9>really can't even function in there because of the ceiling clearance.

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<v Speaker 3>The seats were so tiny.

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<v Speaker 9>It was obviously made for a creature much smaller than

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<v Speaker 9>a human. It produces a gravity wave, which is similar

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<v Speaker 9>to the gravity wave that the Earth produces. However, the

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<v Speaker 9>craft phase shifts the wave. In other words, it turns

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<v Speaker 9>the wave not really an opposite polarity, but something to

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<v Speaker 9>that effect, where it will work against the natural gravity

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<v Speaker 9>wave of the Earth and it produces a lift in

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<v Speaker 9>that effect. Well, the craft generates its own gravitational field.

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<v Speaker 9>Being inside that field essentially doesn't shield you, but essentially

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<v Speaker 9>you're in, and this is a terrible way to say it,

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<v Speaker 9>almost in a different realm, because you're now influenced only

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<v Speaker 9>that by that gravitational field. For instance, people wonder how

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<v Speaker 9>a craft like this can make a turn at such

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<v Speaker 9>high speed a ninety degree turn. When they would imagine

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<v Speaker 9>people slamming up against the wall or something to that effect, Well,

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<v Speaker 9>that really wouldn't happen. Inertia would have no effect. You're

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<v Speaker 9>in a distortion. Don't forget that gravity distorts time and space,

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<v Speaker 9>so really nothing is going to influence you while you're

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<v Speaker 9>in there. There are three amplifiers the craft can operate

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<v Speaker 9>on a single one can lift off the ground.

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<v Speaker 4>The way in which gets propelled.

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<v Speaker 3>Are two different ways.

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<v Speaker 9>There's what they call omicron configuration where the craft is

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<v Speaker 9>using one generator, or delta configuration where it's utilizing all three.

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<v Speaker 9>Delta configuration would be for space travel. Essentially, the craft

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<v Speaker 9>will tilt up on its side, as opposed to a

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<v Speaker 9>science fiction mover where you see a flying saucer moving around,

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<v Speaker 9>The craft will tilt up on its side, focus the

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<v Speaker 9>three gravity generators to a single point and move.

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<v Speaker 3>Through space that way.

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<v Speaker 9>Moving around a source of gravity is a problem to

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<v Speaker 9>a disk because it's interference essentially, So what they do

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<v Speaker 9>is they work with that interference to their benefit. I'll

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<v Speaker 9>use one gravity generator to lift the craft off the ground,

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<v Speaker 9>and as opposed to what we're used to, for instance,

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<v Speaker 9>a plane. Once it's in the air, we envision thrust

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<v Speaker 9>or some force coming out the back of it to

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<v Speaker 9>push it forward.

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<v Speaker 4>The crafts work completely opposite of that.

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<v Speaker 9>What they do is once they're hovering in the air,

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<v Speaker 9>they'll swing the gravity two remaining gravity generators up in

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<v Speaker 9>front of them and create a distortion, essentially a down hill,

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<v Speaker 9>and the craft rolls downhill. For infinity, it's always chasing

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<v Speaker 9>a little distortion. That's why they look goofy when they

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<v Speaker 9>fly around at low speed, because they're essentially and anytime

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<v Speaker 9>you run over the gravity field around the Earth is

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<v Speaker 9>not completely constant and stable. Depending on the minerals and

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<v Speaker 9>density of the Earth underneath it, the gravity will vary

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<v Speaker 9>somewhat and you will get odd movements of the craft.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's low speed mode is kind of unstable for

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<v Speaker 9>the most part.

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<v Speaker 3>I only witnessed one test flight.

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<v Speaker 9>Up close, officially that I was just inside the hangar.

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<v Speaker 9>The test was going off probably you know, just as

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<v Speaker 9>the sun was going down, and it was a low

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<v Speaker 9>performance test. I believe there were some pilots or test

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<v Speaker 9>pilots in the craft. The craft must have been retrofitted

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<v Speaker 9>to fit them, because the seating arrangements were really not accommodating.

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<v Speaker 9>They were in radio communication with the craft. The craft

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<v Speaker 9>lifted off the ground virtually noiseless, other than a small

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<v Speaker 9>corona discharge on the bottom of the craft indicating the

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<v Speaker 9>presence of high voltage that dissipated at about thirty feet

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<v Speaker 9>and it stood there completely silently and moved over to

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<v Speaker 9>the left and to the right and sat back down.

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<v Speaker 9>That was the entire test. However, that was an extremely

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<v Speaker 9>impressive test. Maybe to someone that really knows little about

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<v Speaker 9>science or anything that that wouldn't be a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 9>But you have to realize this craft was about fifty

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<v Speaker 9>two feet in diameter. I don't know exactly how much

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<v Speaker 9>it weighed, but it weighed a lot. And this was

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<v Speaker 9>quite quite a scientific feat to lift something completely silently

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<v Speaker 9>under control and you know, perform a maneuver like that.

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<v Speaker 9>The craft itself was I assume it was metal. It

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<v Speaker 9>was cold to the touch, That's why I say it

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<v Speaker 9>was metal. But it was a brushed aluminum actually just

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<v Speaker 9>an unfinished stainless steel, a not shiny finish to It

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<v Speaker 9>had no seams. It was as if it was injection

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<v Speaker 9>molded from one giant dye.

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<v Speaker 3>I was completely amazed.

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<v Speaker 9>I gravity is something difficult to explain because it's something

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<v Speaker 9>that we essentially don't understand. It's just something that we

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<v Speaker 9>can observe. Not much is really known about gravity, any

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<v Speaker 9>theories about it, but they are just mainly theories or

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<v Speaker 9>theories of gravitons, which alleged that these are these subatomic

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<v Speaker 9>particles that act like an attractive force like gravity, that

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<v Speaker 9>exchange between two pieces of matter. There is also a

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<v Speaker 9>theory that gravity is a form of wave and electromagnetic wave.

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<v Speaker 4>But basically gravity is a force.

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<v Speaker 9>It's the attraction it well, it was the inherent property

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<v Speaker 9>of matter to have gravity, a mutual attraction for each other.

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<v Speaker 9>And that's It's basically all that we really know modern science.

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<v Speaker 9>Current science right now identifies one gravity. It's one force

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<v Speaker 9>in nature, apparently through research it has for or information

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<v Speaker 9>gained from one of the crafts they were researching there.

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<v Speaker 9>It appears that there are two different forms of gravity.

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<v Speaker 9>One form works on an atomic scale, on sub atomic particles,

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<v Speaker 9>holding pieces of matter, holding atoms themselves together, and other

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<v Speaker 9>works on a larger scale, the scale most familiar with

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<v Speaker 9>holding planets in orbit, holding ourselves to the ground, things

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<v Speaker 9>of that sort because it produces a gravitational field. I

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<v Speaker 9>wouldn't say the craft is invisible during the day. However,

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<v Speaker 9>if you're under the craft, because of the way the

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<v Speaker 9>gravity is being used, gravity bends time and space, and

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<v Speaker 9>it bends light. If you are looking underneath the craft

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<v Speaker 9>or from certain vantage points, you will actually see what's

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<v Speaker 9>above the It's really a trick of the way light

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<v Speaker 9>bends under the influence of gravity. For instance, we can

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<v Speaker 9>see stars that are behind the Sun that are blocked

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<v Speaker 9>from our view by the Sun. The reason we can

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<v Speaker 9>see them is because the Sun is a tremendous gravitational

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<v Speaker 9>field and it's bending the light around it where we

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<v Speaker 9>can see the star. Space, time, and gravity are all

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<v Speaker 9>essentially interrelated. They all act on one another. Gravity bends space.

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<v Speaker 9>Gravity also distorts time. When you vary one, you essentially

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<v Speaker 9>vary the other two. If you, as an example, if

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<v Speaker 9>you have a massive body, say a planet or something

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<v Speaker 9>that's making a lot of gravity, producing a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>gravitational waves, if you will, it distorts space, it bends

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<v Speaker 9>space to it. It also slows down time. These things

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<v Speaker 9>aren't theories. We know them to be true. We cannot

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<v Speaker 9>artificially create this because we can't create gravity, but.

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<v Speaker 3>This is how they're all interrelated.

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<v Speaker 10>How are vast distances of space traveled by amplifying a

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<v Speaker 10>gravitational field.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, because space, time, and gravity are all in related.

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<v Speaker 9>If you could produce gravity artificially, an extremely intense feel

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<v Speaker 9>to gravity, what you could do is actually distort the

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<v Speaker 9>distance between two objects and make it shorter. Not just

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<v Speaker 9>distorting the distance, but now you're also decreasing the time,

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<v Speaker 9>the actual time between the two places, so you're not

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<v Speaker 9>traveling in a linear mode like flying a spacecraft from

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<v Speaker 9>point A to point B. You've actually modified the time

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<v Speaker 9>and the space that you travel in. So you're now

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<v Speaker 9>traversing a huge amount of distance with little time, and

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<v Speaker 9>actually with traveling little distance. As crazy as it seems,

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<v Speaker 9>that's what's going on. There are several problems traveling at

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<v Speaker 9>the speed of light. Just a couple of them are

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<v Speaker 9>the fact that as your speed increases, so does your

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<v Speaker 9>mass proportionally. In other words, the more energy you put

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<v Speaker 9>in to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go faster.

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<v Speaker 9>Begins to slow you down by the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 9>converted into mass. You have other problems like just traveling

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<v Speaker 9>at such an extreme velocity, navigational problems, the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>you might run into little tiny micro meteorites at speeds

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<v Speaker 9>like this, they would undoubtedly destroy your craft. There's just

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<v Speaker 9>a whole host of problems that you're going to run

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<v Speaker 9>into just attempting to do something like that, aside from

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<v Speaker 9>the fact the amount of energy required to accelerate to

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<v Speaker 9>the speed of light is horrendous. Project Sidekick was another

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<v Speaker 9>project going on with Galileo. Galileo was the project that

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<v Speaker 9>I was involved in. Sidekick dealt with any of the

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<v Speaker 9>weapon potential of the craft, whether or not the craft

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<v Speaker 9>had a weapon in it or could it be used

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<v Speaker 9>as a weapon. But it's had something to do with

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<v Speaker 9>some sort of particle beam configuration where the gravity generator

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<v Speaker 9>can be used as a lens focus a weapon of

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<v Speaker 9>some sort, similar to the SDI device we were working

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<v Speaker 9>on in the the eighties, but with the potential of

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<v Speaker 9>a focusing device using the gravity generator. Project looking Glass

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<v Speaker 9>dealt with the distortion, the fact that there's a time distortion,

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<v Speaker 9>essentially looking back in time, and by that I do

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<v Speaker 9>not mean looking back years ago to see the wagon

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<v Speaker 9>train days. They're looking for distortions that are milliseconds in

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<v Speaker 9>time and what that was used for. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 9>but that was just observing the time that the time

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<v Speaker 9>distortion time dilation phenomena. The craft in operation one fifteen

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<v Speaker 9>is strictly an extraterrestrial material. It probably occurs naturally in

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<v Speaker 9>some other places, maybe other star systems. Some people not

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<v Speaker 9>familiar with science or chemistry say, well, that's ridiculous. All

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<v Speaker 9>the elements occur on Earth, you know, But that's not true.

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<v Speaker 9>There are elements on the periodic chart that aren't found

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<v Speaker 9>on Earth. I believe the heavy ion research lab in Darms, Dot,

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<v Speaker 9>Germany has reached element one twelve recently, so one fifteen

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<v Speaker 9>isn't isn't that far away? And when they synthesize it,

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<v Speaker 9>it's not like they're making a couple ounces of it.

427
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.599
<v Speaker 9>They're talking about one or two atoms of it. To

428
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 9>make any usable quantity of a heavy alment like that

429
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 9>is virtually impossible. Element fifteen is in the top of

430
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 9>the reactor, and the base of the reactor apparently is

431
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 9>a small something similar to a cyclotron.

432
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 3>It's a particle accelerator.

433
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 9>A particle is accelerated to high speed and then deflected

434
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 9>up a small tube and it's aimed at the one fifteen.

435
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 9>This transmutes the one fifteen, similar to the way we

436
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 9>we do that in a normal particle accelerator. This causes

437
00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 9>a reaction, a radiation emission that we really haven't seen before.

438
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 9>It produces antimatter. This antimatter is guided down a tuned

439
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 9>tube and reacts with a gas. When matter and antimatter react,

440
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 9>they convert to one hundred percent energy. This energy is

441
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 9>converted heat. Energy is converted to electrical power in the

442
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:31.759
<v Speaker 9>reactor itself. This is done through a thermoelectric converter, and

443
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 9>this electrical power is used to power other subsystems on

444
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 9>the craft, though there is no wiring you know as.

445
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Also that's almost a byproduct of the reactor.

446
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:46.279
<v Speaker 9>The reactor also sets up a gravitational wave from the

447
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 9>one point fifteen being bombarded. This gravitational wave is present

448
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 9>at the top of the reactor and is essentially guided

449
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 9>in the same way microwaves are guided through tuned tubes

450
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 9>and this goes to their amplifying cabin and through the

451
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 9>projectors that are in the bottom of the craft. There

452
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.640
<v Speaker 9>is no thermal radiation while the reactor is running. The

453
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 9>thermionic generator is one hundred percent efficient, which is in

454
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 9>violation of the first law thermodynamics, but in fact it works.

455
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 9>Element one fifteen is stable, and for those familiar with chemistry,

456
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 9>we know that elements with higher atomic numbers have shorter

457
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:34.319
<v Speaker 9>and shorter half lives. However, when you reach a certain point,

458
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 9>they call it the island of stability. There is a place,

459
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 9>and weave theorizis for a long time, somewhere around one

460
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 9>fourteen to one sixteen. There should be an area in

461
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 9>there where the nucleus of the atom is geometrically stable

462
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 9>with protons and neutrons, where it no longer decays, it's

463
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 9>not radioactive.

464
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 3>One fifteen is in fact this element.

465
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 9>In fact, it does occur again somewhere around element two

466
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 9>forty seven. Of course, you know, we're nowhere near synthesizing that.

467
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 9>We can only you know, predict things like that, but

468
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 9>that's that's where one fifteen. Whether or not it was

469
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 9>given to us, I can't answer that question. However, I

470
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 9>was told that we have five hundred pounds by one

471
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 9>of my co workers. How it was obtained, and you

472
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 9>know where exactly it came from. I don't know whether

473
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.200
<v Speaker 9>it came in one of the crafts or you know,

474
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 9>it was separate cargo somewhere. Anyone can speculate, but I

475
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 9>was I was told that was the figure. The test

476
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.559
<v Speaker 9>flights I saw at the base. Actually the best test

477
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:43.039
<v Speaker 9>flight was witnessed by my friends who I had brought

478
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 9>out there. I at the exact moment the craft was

479
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 9>hopping around to doing some really impressive maneuvers.

480
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 3>I had turned around and I think.

481
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Was looking for the video camera or or something.

482
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 3>To that effect.

483
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 9>But I missed some of the most impressive maneuvers. But

484
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.119
<v Speaker 9>the craft was similar to what was done before that

485
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 9>I had seen close up, other than the fact that

486
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 9>it went above the mountain range moved a much greater

487
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 9>distance at a much higher rate of speed. The test

488
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 9>flight schedules were told to me specifically because I was

489
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 9>probably going to have to be present during those times,

490
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 9>and at that time, the test flights were taking place

491
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.240
<v Speaker 9>on Wednesday nights, and from what they said, that was

492
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 9>because that was statistically the least amount of traffic in

493
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 9>the area, and that's all that they were concerned about.

494
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 3>There was a high voltage.

495
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 9>Discharge on the bottom of the craft, but as far

496
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 9>as there being in exhaust, there was none. Well, that's

497
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 9>kind of the same reason why on neon light or

498
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 9>fluorescent light lights up. What you're dealing was with is

499
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 9>a high energy source and essentially a gas atmosphere oxygen, nitrogen,

500
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.839
<v Speaker 9>and when you apply enough energy to a gas molecule,

501
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.039
<v Speaker 9>they am at photons, they am at light, and I.

502
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Don't think it's anything.

503
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 9>It's really a byproduct to how the craft operates. When

504
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 9>it's emitting that much energy, the gas surrounding the craft

505
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 9>emits light, the same reason why lightning is visible. They

506
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 9>have a huge electrical discharge.

507
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 4>And the gas emits light in the form of lightning BOLB.

508
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 9>If you were going to see one of these crafts

509
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 9>at night operating, it would appear really as a glowing

510
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 9>ball or just a bright light in the sky from

511
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 9>a distance. Even close up, you'd see a glowing halo

512
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 9>around it. This is typically what you'd see in your

513
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 9>normal UFO sighting. When I was leaving the Area fifty

514
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 9>one facility heading down to S four, there was a

515
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 9>tremendous roar, and I've described it as it sound like

516
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 9>the sky was tearing and.

517
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't see out the windows of the bus.

518
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 9>All I can see out was the very front and

519
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 9>as we came by I asked Dennis, who was my

520
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 9>supervisor and on the bus at that time, what that was,

521
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.319
<v Speaker 9>and said it was an Aurora I, a high altitude

522
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.200
<v Speaker 9>research plane, and.

523
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 3>It was a large craft.

524
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 9>And the one glimpse I got of it was from

525
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 9>the rear and it had two huge square exhaust with

526
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 9>veins in them, and it was just it sounded more

527
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 9>like a rocket than a jet.

528
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

529
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 9>I even think he did mention that it was liquid

530
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 9>methane powered. But there again, you know, working on the

531
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 9>disc technology, I really could care less what was rolling

532
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 9>around at Area fifty one, but it did catch my eye.

533
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 9>One day, when I was getting on Interstate fifteen driving

534
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 9>down Charleston Boulevard, a car came up alongside of me,

535
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 9>and I thought he was just trying to race me

536
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 9>to get on the freeway. This was after I had

537
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 9>left the project. It was a white, boxy looking car.

538
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:10.920
<v Speaker 9>Exactly what making model, I don't know. But I accelerated

539
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 9>to get on the freeway to go fast, and there

540
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 9>was a gunshot and the back of the car was

541
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 9>hit and I skidded off into the uh Median and

542
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 9>I stopped, and I was frightened, and I just stood

543
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 9>there because I thought the guy was going to be

544
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.440
<v Speaker 9>alongside of me and just shoot me.

545
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I had nothing to do.

546
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 9>I was essentially paralyzed with fear, and I waited there

547
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.119
<v Speaker 9>and then nothing else happened.

548
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 8>Wasn't it.

549
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.559
<v Speaker 9>I mean, it was an attempt on my life, but

550
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 9>by who specifically, I don't know. Though I was threatened

551
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 9>before I had left it. They threatened my wife's life

552
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 9>in my life, so I can only put two and

553
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 9>two together and say that they were kind of pissed

554
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 9>at me after we were caught out when I had

555
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 9>the test flight schedule and I brought some friends out

556
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.000
<v Speaker 9>to show him the distest we got caught out there.

557
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.799
<v Speaker 9>And the following day, I was debriefed down at Indian

558
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 9>Springs Air Force Base and.

559
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I was in the.

560
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 9>Room with the security guards that caught us, my supervisor

561
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 9>and some other people and some of the security personnel. Yeah,

562
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 9>they were essentially grilling me about security and you know.

563
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 3>How could I possibly bring people out there?

564
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 9>And I guess I wasn't as responsive as they would like,

565
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 9>and they got in my face and wanted them pull

566
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 9>the side arm out, you know, just pushed it. For

567
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 9>a very brief time after I left Dennis, who was

568
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 9>my supervisor, did try and make contact with me at

569
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.159
<v Speaker 9>the The meeting place was the Union Plaza Hotel, and

570
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 9>I took a friend of mine, Jean Huff, down there

571
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.000
<v Speaker 9>and another friend, a former colleague and scientist from Los Alamos,

572
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 9>and we did h we saw him, but I also

573
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 9>did recognize some security personnel walking around there from us forth.

574
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 9>Whether or not it was a setup or what was

575
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.840
<v Speaker 9>going on or was trying to talk to me, we

576
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 9>never found out and we left. It just was a

577
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.559
<v Speaker 9>real strange situation. I never heard from him since. Well,

578
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 9>if you want to word the question, how are my

579
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 9>opinions changed, I would say considerably. Before I was at

580
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 9>S four, I was more or less the one of

581
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 9>the guys that thought, you know, all these government conspiracy

582
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 9>and UFO bops and things like that were complete lunatics.

583
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 9>I even remember before I was involved there, our friends

584
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 9>showed me a little newspaper clipping and said John Lear

585
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 9>was giving a lecture who was touting that aliens from

586
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 9>another world came to Earth and there's seventy different species.

587
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 9>And I remember laughing on the phone that this guy

588
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 9>had lost his mind. And I was also under the

589
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 9>impression that you know, well, the government's all for the

590
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 9>people and they you know, you know, they're out here

591
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 9>to protect us and all that. You know, after the

592
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 9>experiences I had there, everything is completely turned around. You know,

593
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 9>the government is doing everything but looking out for us.

594
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the only thing they're looking at is for themselves.

595
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 11>You know.

596
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 9>Obviously the et craft do exist. Something had to build them,

597
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 9>so there must be aliens. And since there are and

598
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Speaker 9>the craft are there, there must be some sort of

599
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 9>factory and an entire civilization somewhere. And if in fact

600
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 9>that is true, and it apparently is, then there must

601
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 9>be others, actual crafts and technology from another world. And

602
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 9>that's probably the most important about in history. He kind

603
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 9>of moved from science fiction into reality mind and it

604
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 9>really just I guess opened my eyes. The big thing

605
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.719
<v Speaker 9>is whether or not we can duplicate them. If we

606
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 9>can understand what a device is, or how something operates,

607
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 9>or what its physical makeup is, that's great. But if

608
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 9>we can't duplicate it, it's useless to us. So there's

609
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 9>really two phases to the project going on there. It's

610
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 9>understanding what we're looking at, and then once we understand

611
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 9>it is can we duplicate it with earthly materials and

612
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 9>earthly technology, and you know, unless we've got a handle

613
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 9>on both of them, all that technology is useless to us.

614
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 9>And if it turns out we can't do that, all

615
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 9>we have is one single prized possession that we have

616
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:47.679
<v Speaker 9>to take care of, and that's it. I would probably

617
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:54.199
<v Speaker 9>have played along for a longer time. I would like

618
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 9>to have known a little bit more about the technology

619
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:03.880
<v Speaker 9>and probably kept quiet if I could have, and possibly

620
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 9>never have said anything. Yeah, I almost wish I had

621
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 9>done that. You know, it's really only caused headaches and problems.

622
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 9>But I believe if I was given the opportunity again

623
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 9>to go back in time and redo it, I think

624
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.199
<v Speaker 9>I pretty much would have just shut up and gone

625
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 9>along with the program. I would have much preferred that,

626
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:31.599
<v Speaker 9>instead of the Navy or whoever it was that hand

627
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 9>picked a few renegade scientists here and there, that they

628
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 9>turn it over to some.

629
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 3>More qualified people.

630
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 9>Obviously I was not the most qualified person on propulsion

631
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 9>or field propulsure.

632
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Or anything of that sort. I was just some guy.

633
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 9>I mean they could have picked I could have named

634
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 9>ten or twelve other guys that were more qualified than me, But.

635
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, if they.

636
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 9>Turned it over to the scientific community and not just

637
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 9>a couple of guys here in the United States. I mean,

638
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 9>you need a law, large group of people in a

639
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 9>large lab to research what's going on there, not a

640
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 9>little quiet installation. It's the security itself that prevents them

641
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 9>from getting anywhere. I mean, they never do work hand

642
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 9>in hand. You can't have a military mind. Science itself

643
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 9>must communicate. You have to have a free exchange of ideas.

644
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 9>That's how things progress. And when you clamp down on

645
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 9>a security system like that, where you work in isolated

646
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.000
<v Speaker 9>groups and ideas cannot be exchanged, you don't get anywhere.

647
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 9>And that's the problem they have. Well, I'm not really

648
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 9>involved in any of that stuff anymore. That's kind of

649
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 9>put behind me. I have my own businesses that I

650
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 9>work at, some computer graphics, some consultation, other technical jobs,

651
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.239
<v Speaker 9>radiation detectors and a few other things like that. So

652
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 9>really I just go about my life and that's you know,

653
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 9>something had happened that was fantastic and it's over. But

654
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 9>it's kind of hard to shake it loose. But eventually

655
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 9>I will, and I'll be that. I think all the

656
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 9>surveillance and everything stopped. I don't think anyone's bothering to

657
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 9>monitor me. I've said everything that I know. It's been

658
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 9>all over the place, so it's kind of.

659
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 3>A done deal.

660
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 9>As far as whether or not there were any craft

661
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 9>out there, I believe, you know, they were out and

662
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 9>gone in probably the late eighty nine early ninety and

663
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 9>the only thing people see now out there are you know,

664
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 9>even flares or planes coming into land.

665
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 3>But that's about it.

666
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 9>I was never interested in flying saucers as a child

667
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 9>science fiction, you know, I watched Star Trek, I guess

668
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 9>with everyone else back then, But for the most part, yeah,

669
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 9>I didn't even believe in flying saucers up until I

670
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 9>was employed to ask four.

671
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 12>That you've told the story many many times. You've been

672
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 12>grilled many many times, and it's very.

673
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 8>Stressful for you.

674
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 12>So I really really appreciate your time. I first heard

675
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 12>your story decades ago. I told you last night we

676
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 12>went out to dinner. I've seen pretty much every interview

677
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 12>you've ever given. I've followed the story incredibly closely. But

678
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 12>for people who don't know the story, let's give them

679
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 12>the bullet points. You used to work at Area fifty one,

680
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 12>an Area fifty one got you.

681
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 9>You went like, well, you know, we want to be accurate.

682
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 9>Ok Area S four. S four, it's about fifteen miles

683
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 9>south of Area fifty one.

684
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:48.239
<v Speaker 12>Okay, you worked in what would you how would you

685
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 12>describe it?

686
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 9>I guess within the Area fifty one compound. You can

687
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 9>call that a subset of Area fifty one.

688
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 12>When did things get weird? When did you realize? At

689
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.559
<v Speaker 12>what point in time did you say, hey, this is

690
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 12>not normal work, like, this doesn't even seem like it's

691
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 12>from this planet.

692
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 9>That I can't tell you what day that occurred on

693
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 9>because so much time has gone by. The days of

694
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.320
<v Speaker 9>kind of fused into one and I can't separate day.

695
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.599
<v Speaker 8>Was it a slow.

696
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.039
<v Speaker 12>Burn or was there a moment of recognition?

697
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 9>Well, the first inkling I had was when I came in.

698
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 9>Normally there's this facility that is at S four. It's

699
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 9>in the side of a mountain, and normally we had

700
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 9>pulled in with the bus and gone around the front

701
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 9>through a normal double door. This time that I went

702
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 9>in there were hanger doors open. I went in through

703
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 9>the hangar door, and in the hanger door was the

704
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 9>disc the flying saucer that I worked on. I saw

705
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 9>it sitting there and we walked by. It had a

706
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 9>little American flag stuck on the side, and I thought,

707
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:03.039
<v Speaker 9>oh my god, this finally explains all the flying Saucer stories.

708
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 9>This is just an advanced fighter and this is fucking hilarious.

709
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 9>So I went by, I slipped my hand alongside it.

710
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 9>I got reprimanded immediately for touching the thing. And there

711
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 9>was a guy, an armed guard that followed us in

712
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.719
<v Speaker 9>and just said keep your eyes forward, in your hands

713
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 9>at your side, and just walk in the door. So

714
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 9>that was the first time I had seen anything that

715
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 9>was weird. It was some time later that I was

716
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:34.119
<v Speaker 9>introduced to my lab partner, Barry, and we had some

717
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 9>of the subcomponents of the craft in the lab and

718
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:41.400
<v Speaker 9>Barry was very anxious to get a new lab partner,

719
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 9>so he was very talkative and couldn't wait to show

720
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 9>me different things. And it was in the demonstration of

721
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 9>the reactor working where it caught my attention to where

722
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 9>this is technology that doesn't even exist. So, I mean,

723
00:43:57.639 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 9>that was the first time I knew that this is

724
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.119
<v Speaker 9>really something different.

725
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.599
<v Speaker 12>What was it? What was what was it about this

726
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 12>reactor that made you think that it didn't exist technologically?

727
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.760
<v Speaker 9>Well, it was the I actually have to back up

728
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 9>because there were some briefings that I read it before

729
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 9>that that, you know, certainly gave me the impression that

730
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 9>this was going to be a weird job. But this

731
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 9>was the first hands on thing. This was a small

732
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 9>reactor about the size of a hemisphere, about the size

733
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 9>of a basketball, on a metal plate, and when it

734
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 9>was running, it produced a gravitational field, a gravitational field

735
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 9>of its own. Now, this is something that we can't do.

736
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 9>We can't produce any gravity. The only way we get

737
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 9>gravity is from large quantities of mass. But there's no

738
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 9>machine we can have that turns on that makes gravity.

739
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.079
<v Speaker 9>Like you know, you can turn on an electromagnet and

740
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 9>it makes a magnetic field. We can't make a gravitational field. Anyway.

741
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 9>This device was producing that, and Bury said, almost like

742
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.320
<v Speaker 9>he was bragging, go ahead, try and try and touch

743
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 9>the sphere and I couldn't. It pushed my hands away,

744
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 9>just like two light poles of a magnet.

745
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.119
<v Speaker 12>So that was uh so like when you take two

746
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 12>magnets and trying to press them together and there yeahs

747
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:13.599
<v Speaker 12>each other.

748
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, kind of could cushioned feeling, but you can't. You

749
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 9>can't get them together. The closer you put them, the

750
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 9>more they pushed.

751
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 12>But you felt that physically with my hand.

752
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, now there's nothing, there's nothing that does that. And

753
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 9>that immediately caught my attention, going, wow, this is something else.

754
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.119
<v Speaker 12>What was your thought like when you felt that and

755
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 12>you knew that there was nothing that you were aware

756
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:34.679
<v Speaker 12>of that could.

757
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 9>Prevent Then that that connected me to the briefings that

758
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 9>I read on the first day at S four was that,

759
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 9>you know, everything that I had read was apparently accurate.

760
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 12>What were you reading?

761
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.800
<v Speaker 9>I read it was kind of an overview. This project

762
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 9>was to back engineer the alien craft, and specifically it

763
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 9>was to try and back engineer and see if we

764
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 9>can duplicate the technology with available materials. Now, to do this,

765
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 9>they split the project into you know, many different pieces

766
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 9>for several reasons. They do this in all classified projects,

767
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 9>so nobody has the complete story, but they compartmentalize everything. Now,

768
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 9>we had the power and propulsion system, so what the

769
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.719
<v Speaker 9>briefings they gave me were like a one or two

770
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 9>page overview of some of the other projects that were

771
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 9>going on, you know, in the craft. The only reason

772
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 9>they do that is just in case what you're working

773
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 9>on is connected intimately in some way that we don't

774
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:37.840
<v Speaker 9>know after one of the other projects, you have to

775
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 9>know there excuse me their existence. So you know, I

776
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:49.920
<v Speaker 9>again everything from metallurgy to you know, weapon potential of

777
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 9>the craft, and these were all, you know, essentially very

778
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.519
<v Speaker 9>short briefings. But mine was just power and propulsion, and

779
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 9>it made it very clear that what I read was accurate.

780
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 12>So when you're reading that before you actually saw the reactor,

781
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 12>what were your thoughts on what they were describing. If

782
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.320
<v Speaker 12>you knew that something like that didn't exist and they're

783
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 12>describing it in the briefings, what did you think you

784
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 12>were going to see?

785
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.000
<v Speaker 9>I really I didn't know at the time. I mean

786
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 9>I was reading. I thought, is this is some kind

787
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 9>of test see if you're crazy, well, not to see

788
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 9>if I'm crazy to you know, a lot of times

789
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 9>they'll take in real high security.

790
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Jobs.

791
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 9>I mean they'll intentionally insert nonsense into them, whether it's

792
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 9>to confuse the fact or if for someone was to

793
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 9>leak it out, they would carry that information along and

794
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 9>know where it came from. So I read through the documents,

795
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 9>but you know, I didn't know if this was you know,

796
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 9>part of some kind of test or you know, or what,

797
00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 9>or was it potentially realistic? I mean I really didn't

798
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 9>consider it all that possible as far as being the

799
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 9>actual thing that I was going to work on.

800
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 8>At the time.

801
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 9>They had nine craft altogether. I only got hands on

802
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.800
<v Speaker 9>with one of them, so I can't really say what

803
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.159
<v Speaker 9>the how the others operated.

804
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 12>Did you see the other ones?

805
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, at one time, and only one time. The bay

806
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.440
<v Speaker 9>doors that between the hangars were all open and I

807
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 9>could see all the way through.

808
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 12>And were they all exactly the same?

809
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 9>No, they were all different, different shapes.

810
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, but they were all from somewhere else.

811
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

812
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 12>Absolutely, Now did anyone make any attempt to explain or

813
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.440
<v Speaker 12>to tell you where they came from?

814
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 9>No, no, No one is the least bit interested in

815
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.199
<v Speaker 9>letting everybody know all the facts. They want to give

816
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.480
<v Speaker 9>you the minimum information that's necessary to complete your task.

817
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 9>So you're not getting the story of where they came from.

818
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 9>You're not getting the story of how much progress other

819
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 9>people are making. Just focus on the small component.

820
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 12>But they gave you some indication that they've been working

821
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 12>on these for a while. Yeah, when do you think

822
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.320
<v Speaker 12>they acquired these?

823
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 9>I really couldn't say I think they've been around for

824
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 9>a while. The amount of power we're dealing with is astronomical.

825
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 9>I mean, to affect gravity to produce the effects like

826
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.840
<v Speaker 9>this equipment does, takes huge amounts of power. And I've

827
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.599
<v Speaker 9>given the example before of you know, taking a small

828
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.840
<v Speaker 9>portable nuclear reactor and you know, putting it back into

829
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.599
<v Speaker 9>Victorian times, you know, with the scientists of the time,

830
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 9>and just dropping it in a room and they come

831
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 9>and look at it and see that it's producing power

832
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 9>and wonder how it works. That they start taking it apart,

833
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.800
<v Speaker 9>and as soon as they get some of the shielding off,

834
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 9>the people are going to drop dead because of the

835
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 9>radiation inside. Now people have no idea that radiation even

836
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 9>exists back then, but anybody that comes into check on

837
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 9>them will also drop dead. And you know, there's no

838
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.679
<v Speaker 9>reason that that exact scenario couldn't happen. With what we're

839
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 9>dealing with. We have no idea how the physics operate

840
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 9>within this thing. The power levels are are, like I said, astronomical.

841
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 9>It's incredibly dangerous to tinker with something like that. And

842
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 9>you know, in some respects we were guinea pigs just

843
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 9>try to find out how to make this thing. Well,

844
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 9>essentially what they ask is what I said. We are

845
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 9>just to gather as much information as possible, find out

846
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 9>how it operates, and see if we can duplicate it.

847
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 12>So they you where it was from. They never let

848
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 12>you ask questions about where it's from.

849
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 9>Well, if the information I read in the briefings was accurate,

850
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 9>Now what I do have to say is the information

851
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:55.639
<v Speaker 9>that pertained directly to the reactor was accurate. What I read,

852
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 9>I mean, did jive with reality in terms of how

853
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 9>in terms of how it was made, how what we saw,

854
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.119
<v Speaker 9>how it operated, the materials, how it you know, turned on,

855
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 9>and what was discovered discovered about it. So there was

856
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 9>some paperwork that indicated that this was from the Zeta

857
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 9>Reticularly star system. Now, yeah, now how they obtained that,

858
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.760
<v Speaker 9>I haven't the slightest idea. But it wasn't just from

859
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 9>the Zeta Reticularly star system. It was what they called

860
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.159
<v Speaker 9>ZR III. So it was a third planet in that

861
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 9>star system. So there was no other information about it

862
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.679
<v Speaker 9>other than that's supposedly where.

863
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 3>The craft came from.

864
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 9>Now is that true?

865
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:41.679
<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

866
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 9>I have no way of verifying that. But that was

867
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 9>printed in the same materials that referenced the reactor. Now,

868
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.039
<v Speaker 9>I looked that stuff up when I went home, and

869
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.320
<v Speaker 9>Zeta reticularly is a binary star two stars at or

870
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.119
<v Speaker 9>orbit one another, and it's only visible in the southern

871
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.360
<v Speaker 9>hemisphere and it's about thirty some model years away. So

872
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 9>that's literally all the information I have about that. I

873
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 9>don't know how they found out it came from there.

874
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 12>And you also probably have some suspicions that they give

875
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 12>you some disinformation, like you were talking about before, where

876
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 12>they yeah, yeah too. I mean, if you ever decided

877
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:18.679
<v Speaker 12>to talk about this, they added a bunch of nonsense

878
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 12>to make whatever is factual look ridiculous.

879
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.159
<v Speaker 9>Right or be able to trace it down. I go, hey,

880
00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.639
<v Speaker 9>this facts came out and you know this Lazar guy

881
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 9>said it, you know, came from Zata reticularly, so they

882
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 9>knew it was.

883
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 12>When we read Zeta reticularly, we're like, what in the

884
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 12>fuck is this?

885
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 9>Well, reading all of this stuff, it was, what the

886
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 9>fuck is that?

887
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 12>Do you remember the thought process when you read that

888
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:41.760
<v Speaker 12>it's from Zeta reticularly.

889
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it It didn't hit me like a ton of

890
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 9>bricks or anything. It's it's like, yeah, okay.

891
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 8>It was bullshit.

892
00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where.

893
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 9>Now I don't. I mean, because when I read it,

894
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 9>I hadn't verified anything, and this was just a bunch

895
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.519
<v Speaker 9>of stuff I was reading. And I thought, maybe after this,

896
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 9>they're just going to give me a test and see

897
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 9>what I can remember in crazy information, and then it

898
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 9>would But like I said, when I finally went in

899
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 9>with Barry and had hands on experience with what they

900
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.679
<v Speaker 9>were talking about, it's gone a completely different meanings.

901
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 13>And we finally get to Lear's house and he said, oh,

902
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 13>I got to have a new friend. He just moved

903
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 13>up here from Albuquerque. He's interviewing for a job out

904
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.599
<v Speaker 13>in the desert. He hasn't gotten it yet, but he's

905
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 13>not He has had quite a few interviews. I think

906
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 13>you'll like him. So about fifteen minutes after we arrived

907
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 13>in Vegas, knocking the door, Larr goes and answers the door.

908
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.920
<v Speaker 13>The young man comes in, very pleasant, nice looking guy,

909
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 13>and introduces himself as Bob Blazar. Wow, and we're just

910
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Speaker 13>talking airplanes and stuff like that, and I said, hey,

911
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.559
<v Speaker 13>I got it. I got some film that I'm frustrated

912
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 13>I got to. I can't wait till till tomorrow so

913
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.960
<v Speaker 13>I can get the film processed. He said, what kind

914
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.920
<v Speaker 13>of film? I said, go to color one hundred. He said, well,

915
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 13>I have a processing unit at home. Let's go over

916
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 13>to the west side of town where I live, and

917
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 13>I'll process the film for you and we'll print print

918
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 13>some up. See if they're see if there's anything worthwhile.

919
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 13>So I said great. So we told John we'd be

920
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 13>back probably in about an hour. We jumped in uh

921
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.480
<v Speaker 13>Lazar's car and we're about a block from Lear's house

922
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.880
<v Speaker 13>and Lazar looks at me, you know, he says, I

923
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 13>feel sorry for that done.

924
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 8>Some bit's leir.

925
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 13>I said, what do you mean. He said, he's from

926
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:35.320
<v Speaker 13>He's from a real famous aviation family. He said, my god,

927
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 13>his dad brought leer jet to the world. And this

928
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.679
<v Speaker 13>guy believes in UFOs. You got to be kiddy. And

929
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 13>he says, I'm a nuclear physicist. If I can't prove

930
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 13>it mathematically or put my hands on it, it doesn't exist.

931
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:49.880
<v Speaker 8>Said, you can't.

932
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 13>You couldn't put a gun to my head to convince

933
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:56.320
<v Speaker 13>me that UFOs are real. It was Bob Lazar's statement

934
00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:00.800
<v Speaker 13>to me. Ironic or he was hired on at S four.

935
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 13>His story has never changed. In nineteen eighty nine, nineteen

936
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 13>ninety he had a I think it was a deck

937
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.639
<v Speaker 13>mini computer in his house because PCs at the time

938
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 13>were not very good, not very fast, and had limited capabilities.

939
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 13>And he had an on a name enclosure and it

940
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.800
<v Speaker 13>was filled with processors. I mean it was nineteen inch wide,

941
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.920
<v Speaker 13>you know, it was a twenty four inch deep and

942
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 13>six foot tall.

943
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.199
<v Speaker 8>That was his computer back.

944
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:42.639
<v Speaker 13>In nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety. And then shortly thereafter

945
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.119
<v Speaker 13>I got a year later, George Knapp has a guy

946
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.360
<v Speaker 13>named Jared Silhouetted altered the votes the voice talking about

947
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 13>doing reverse engineering on alien spacecraft. And that was my

948
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 13>introduction to Bob Wizar.

949
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.800
<v Speaker 14>And well he since changed his story that he believes

950
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 14>in the UFOs.

951
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 8>Now, oh, absolutely absolutely so.

952
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 13>And I you know, I've stayed I stayed true to

953
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 13>my feelings about Bob. There's all sorts of speculation, Oh,

954
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.280
<v Speaker 13>he's a plant, this and this and that, and he

955
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.079
<v Speaker 13>became a he became an He didn't he doesn't exist

956
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.679
<v Speaker 13>anywhere on federal records prior to nineteen eighty nine. That's

957
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 13>when they made him a non person. Yeah, and fast

958
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 13>forward to Desert Shield and Desert Storm and it's nineteen ninety.

959
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 8>I'm there.

960
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.760
<v Speaker 13>I was in the I had five years active duty

961
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 13>of ken year break, and then I had twenty one

962
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 13>years with the Minnesota Air Guard as a traditional weekender.

963
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 13>But my company had been shut down by the French

964
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:55.000
<v Speaker 13>and I was going through divorce. So I volunteered to

965
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:57.599
<v Speaker 13>go to you, to go to Desert Shield and Desert Storm.

966
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.320
<v Speaker 13>I even volunteered to go to Saudi Arabia for a year.

967
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 13>But I was at I was at the Pentagon. I'm

968
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 13>at Dark Buream, and I have but I have Bob

969
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 13>Blazar's W two in my back pocket. And on one

970
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.480
<v Speaker 13>particular day, I had absolutely nothing to do. There was

971
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.719
<v Speaker 13>a stand down or something going on in Saudi Arabia.

972
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:23.440
<v Speaker 13>So I decided I was going to see if I

973
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 13>can find the location from the US Navy that paid

974
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 13>Bob Blazar and the name the name on the W two.

975
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 8>So I'm looking.

976
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 13>I'm looking to the Pentagon directory, and I cannot find

977
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:42.800
<v Speaker 13>the specific department of Navy that paid Bob is not

978
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 13>listed anywhere in the in the Pentagon directory.

979
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.199
<v Speaker 8>So I decided, I think it was I think it

980
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 8>was h n C.

981
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I S.

982
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:57.079
<v Speaker 13>I think it was Naval Investigative Services or almost like

983
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 13>the Navy JAG office. Found that office, and I said

984
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 13>to see if they can tell me.

985
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:02.159
<v Speaker 8>So I go in there.

986
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.840
<v Speaker 13>At this particular point, I'm a I'm still a tech sergeant.

987
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 8>I mean my.

988
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 13>Blues, not the full dress uniform, but my light blue shirt,

989
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 13>dark blue pants. I go in the doors open. I

990
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 13>walk into this office. There's a young Lieutenant JG behind

991
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 13>the behind the desk, and I said, sir, can you

992
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 13>tell me where this department of the Navy is? And

993
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.199
<v Speaker 13>I handed him Lozar's W two. He looks at it

994
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 13>and said, sergeant, ex give me for a second. He

995
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 13>gets up, he goes into the two stars office. He's

996
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Speaker 13>in there twenty thirty seconds. Comes out said the admiral

997
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.599
<v Speaker 13>will see you. Now, Now, those of you who have

998
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.719
<v Speaker 13>been in the military, especially those of you, maybe even

999
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:52.039
<v Speaker 13>the Navy. No two star admiral on just a hunch

1000
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 13>or whatever is going to talk to a cuke, Air

1001
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.000
<v Speaker 13>Force slash Airguard enlisted person. So I go in there.

1002
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.000
<v Speaker 13>I gave him, gave him a real sharp salute. Instead

1003
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.119
<v Speaker 13>of saying at ease, he said parade rest. So I

1004
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 13>can tell he was irritated at me.

1005
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 8>Right then.

1006
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 13>And I'm standing there and he's holding Lazar's W two.

1007
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.320
<v Speaker 13>He said, Sergeant, I don't know where you got this,

1008
00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 13>but if I see your face cross the threshold of

1009
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.679
<v Speaker 13>my office ever again, you'll be the most sorry Sonvintion

1010
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 13>NCO in the United States Military. Do you understand me, Sergeant?

1011
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.880
<v Speaker 13>I said, yes, sir. With that, he put Lazar's W

1012
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 13>two into the shredder. Wow, you're dismissed.

1013
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 8>Now.

1014
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 13>Bob had been a plant. If Bob had been a phony,

1015
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:45.960
<v Speaker 13>I would not have had this reaction from the two star.

1016
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 8>He was.

1017
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 13>He was pissed because I had something a name of

1018
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:57.440
<v Speaker 13>a Navy organization that the name is classified apparently, and

1019
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:02.119
<v Speaker 13>that he was incredibly I mean he was. He was

1020
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.960
<v Speaker 13>angry at me. I mean it wasn't well you shouldn't

1021
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:06.679
<v Speaker 13>have had this or whatever? What do you do in

1022
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:07.199
<v Speaker 13>my office?

1023
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.440
<v Speaker 8>No, he was.

1024
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.960
<v Speaker 13>I mean his eyes were big his I mean you

1025
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:14.320
<v Speaker 13>could tell by his tone of voice and his facial expression.

1026
01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.039
<v Speaker 13>This two star was pissed at me.

1027
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 8>Yeah. Right.

1028
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.159
<v Speaker 13>And you know when I got back to the second

1029
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.480
<v Speaker 13>I just scratched my head and I said, well, probably

1030
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 13>the only reason why I got the reaction that I

1031
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:33.159
<v Speaker 13>did is that Bob Lazar is real. He's real to me.

1032
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:37.239
<v Speaker 13>He always has and it goes on and on. You know.

1033
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:40.519
<v Speaker 13>The other thing that another piece of the puzzle that

1034
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 13>people ignore. Well, he's a plant. He's never done this,

1035
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:48.199
<v Speaker 13>he's never done that. George Napp, who I've known as

1036
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.599
<v Speaker 13>long as I've known John Lear, so that's you know,

1037
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 13>over fifty years, you know. George Napp went to Albertquerque

1038
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 13>where Luzar said he had worked. He worked at I

1039
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 13>think it was Sandia. They went to the San Dia.

1040
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:09.119
<v Speaker 8>Library.

1041
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 13>It's there. There's two parts of it. There's the classified

1042
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.760
<v Speaker 13>side and then the public side. And he's in there

1043
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:19.480
<v Speaker 13>and he pulls out the telephone directory directory for Sandia

1044
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 13>Labs for the time that Bob said he was there,

1045
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:26.519
<v Speaker 13>and opened up and there's a Robert Lazaar with the

1046
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 13>phone number that Bob said he had and the room

1047
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:34.880
<v Speaker 13>number and the two guys in the same lab. George

1048
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 13>looked up those names and everything was consistent. Plus Bob

1049
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.400
<v Speaker 13>said that I was I made the front page of

1050
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:47.800
<v Speaker 13>the lifestyle section of the Sandia newspaper and there's a

1051
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 13>picture of Bob standing in front of his jet car

1052
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 13>and it says Sandia professor relaxes on weekends, going three

1053
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:59.599
<v Speaker 13>hundred miles an hour and a quarter mile. And I've

1054
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 13>seen the jet car, I say, I mean.

1055
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 8>It's right.

1056
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 13>So every everything, everything that I you know, you know,

1057
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:11.920
<v Speaker 13>I wasn't even looking for emphasize the fact that Bob

1058
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.719
<v Speaker 13>is real, Bob is you know, Bob is not a plant.

1059
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.800
<v Speaker 8>Bob is who he says he use.

1060
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 14>Right, Well, it would be it would make sense that

1061
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:25.719
<v Speaker 14>there would be a force in place trying to discredit him.

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01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 8>Oh, absolutely absolutely.

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01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 13>And that's and then you know, that's a very big,

1064
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.639
<v Speaker 13>big part of the disinformation campaign is if someone's telling

1065
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.440
<v Speaker 13>the truth and the government doesn't want that information out,

1066
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.239
<v Speaker 13>well let's destroy this person anyway we can.

1067
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.719
<v Speaker 8>As far as his credibility reputation.

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01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, right, Well, one of the points a lot of

1069
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.840
<v Speaker 15>the skeptics make that he's that he's lying or he's fake,

1070
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.639
<v Speaker 15>is that they scrubbed all his records from the school

1071
01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 15>he went to and everything. They're like, oh, he never

1072
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 15>went to that school. He's lying, Like, no, they scrubbed

1073
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 15>his information because he's Yeah, because he's real, that's why

1074
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 15>they did that, not because he's lying. And then too,

1075
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 15>I remember him saying The whole reason he even went

1076
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 15>public is because he was scared for his life because

1077
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 15>they were already starting to kind of come after him.

1078
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.119
<v Speaker 15>And he's like, well, I got to come out fully

1079
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:20.280
<v Speaker 15>publicly now otherwise they can kill me and this information

1080
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 15>dies with me.

1081
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 13>And they had they had called him and they wanted

1082
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 13>to you know, the security people wanted to talk to him,

1083
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:31.639
<v Speaker 13>but they said, we'll meet you out at Indian Springs,

1084
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.440
<v Speaker 13>which is now Cheak Creech Air Force Base. It's about

1085
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.440
<v Speaker 13>thirty miles outside of Las Vegas on US ninety five.

1086
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 13>And Bob said, he went out there for the interview

1087
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 13>and he's sitting in the car with him.

1088
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:43.639
<v Speaker 8>They pulled again. They pulled guns on.

1089
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 13>Him and threatened, threatened to shoot him. And I think

1090
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:49.559
<v Speaker 13>that's when Bob said, look, you know, this life is

1091
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:50.119
<v Speaker 13>too short.

1092
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.760
<v Speaker 8>Not going to allow.

1093
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 13>This to happen, right, right, So that's when he decided

1094
01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.320
<v Speaker 13>to go That's when he decided to go public. And

1095
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.199
<v Speaker 13>because he knew Leer, you know, he inquired, who would

1096
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 13>you recommend that I go to as far as major media,

1097
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 13>and it was George Knapp because George and John had

1098
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:13.360
<v Speaker 13>been friends forever and ever.

1099
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 9>Because everything in stalled when I got there, and it

1100
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:19.719
<v Speaker 9>was I think they were just in a desperate move

1101
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.280
<v Speaker 9>to make some progress.

1102
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.519
<v Speaker 16>Then we have to look at it not just as

1103
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 16>a propulsion system or some type of cool weapon, but

1104
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:30.639
<v Speaker 16>how is it affecting time?

1105
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 9>And again it's world dominating technology.

1106
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.800
<v Speaker 16>I mean, I have to say, in having worked with

1107
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 16>him and having you know inadvertently, there's no way that myself,

1108
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.199
<v Speaker 16>where people on my team weren't trying to dig deeper

1109
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.320
<v Speaker 16>in front. Maybe there's a problem, Maybe there's going to

1110
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:55.960
<v Speaker 16>be a gap, Maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.

1111
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.159
<v Speaker 16>Because we went We went very deep. We had to

1112
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:01.599
<v Speaker 16>build as far. We had to build a sport model,

1113
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:07.119
<v Speaker 16>and there were things that happened over the years, things

1114
01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 16>that he had said to us before we had built it,

1115
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:13.440
<v Speaker 16>that there's no way he could have known because there

1116
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 16>were physicalities, real things that we built. When you build

1117
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 16>something in a three D environment, you're actually building a

1118
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.519
<v Speaker 16>real world. It's got light, bounce and refractions like the

1119
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 16>real world. Like when you turn on the light, it

1120
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 16>does the same thing. If a material has a sheen,

1121
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:31.800
<v Speaker 16>you see it, it's literally the same thing. It's just

1122
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:36.000
<v Speaker 16>computing power that gives you access to another world, and

1123
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:41.079
<v Speaker 16>he mentioned things that were absolutely impossible to know. And

1124
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:46.159
<v Speaker 16>one of the things that got two things really convinced me.

1125
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 16>One of them was in the interior of the craft.

1126
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:53.840
<v Speaker 16>You had said to us it was very dark in there.

1127
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.840
<v Speaker 16>And while Bob is explaining to us this interior of

1128
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 16>the craft and many times kept repeating it was really

1129
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:03.360
<v Speaker 16>dark in there, even though there halogen lights, right, And

1130
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.039
<v Speaker 16>so at a certain point he says, as I'm crawling in,

1131
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:09.400
<v Speaker 16>there's like these extension chords and I remember going extension

1132
01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:13.239
<v Speaker 16>chords like it then hadn't computed. And He's like, yeah,

1133
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.280
<v Speaker 16>they had lights in there, and I'm thinking it's true.

1134
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:19.840
<v Speaker 16>I mean, there's no light switch inside this big thing.

1135
01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:24.039
<v Speaker 16>It's fifty fifty two feet it's big. And so he said, yeah,

1136
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:28.840
<v Speaker 16>there were two big industrial yellow industrial lights with four

1137
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:32.559
<v Speaker 16>spots each pointed up. And so we decided to make those.

1138
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.800
<v Speaker 16>We decided to research the type that were used back

1139
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 16>then in the United States, especially on military basis, the

1140
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 16>halogen power, because it was this halogen in nineteen eighty eight.

1141
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:42.719
<v Speaker 16>And we turned them on.

1142
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:45.760
<v Speaker 9>And it was still dark and it was super dark.

1143
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 16>And I remember Christopher Matto, by the way, a big

1144
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 16>shout out to Christopher Matto that's on my team who

1145
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.079
<v Speaker 16>made a lot of those visuals, and he's like a magician,

1146
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.360
<v Speaker 16>he's the best. He's there and I said, Chris, turn

1147
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.880
<v Speaker 16>on the lights because we have to film in the craft.

1148
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.639
<v Speaker 16>And he's like, they're on. I said, they're not fucking on.

1149
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 16>I can't see anything. He's like, they're fully on. And

1150
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.159
<v Speaker 16>I said, well that that doesn't make any sense. It's

1151
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 16>so dark in there. I remember thinking it so light,

1152
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.760
<v Speaker 16>and so we upped the power of the light so

1153
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 16>that you could see more and it was still dark,

1154
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 16>and I thought, what the hell is happening? I goes there,

1155
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:26.400
<v Speaker 16>Bug is it? Is there something wrong? He goes, no,

1156
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 16>I don't know. It's it's it's absorbing the light in there.

1157
01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.840
<v Speaker 16>We had to up the light intensity on those tripods

1158
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 16>by twentyfold in order for you to see the visuals

1159
01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:41.360
<v Speaker 16>you see in our film. Otherwise it would be really

1160
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:42.239
<v Speaker 16>dark in that craft.

1161
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:43.800
<v Speaker 17>Well how did you compute that?

1162
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 8>Like?

1163
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 12>What what parameters did you establish?

1164
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.920
<v Speaker 16>So what you do is you're you're inside a three

1165
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:54.000
<v Speaker 16>D environment. You're an actual a three You're in a

1166
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.599
<v Speaker 16>three D world. Now we're inside the craft that is

1167
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 16>fifty two feet in diameter. It's we bring a can

1168
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.679
<v Speaker 16>in there. So we were filming the whole film was

1169
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.719
<v Speaker 16>was done with the black Magic six kkms, so we

1170
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 16>would bring our black magics in the three D environment.

1171
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:12.480
<v Speaker 16>You can actually set that so that we could film

1172
01:08:12.880 --> 01:08:15.840
<v Speaker 16>inside the craft, so it matches the filming of our

1173
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:19.560
<v Speaker 16>real cameras, and so as soon as the camera's on,

1174
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.000
<v Speaker 16>it's the same lens, it's the same aperture. Everything is

1175
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 16>as you would have it, and so you're trying to

1176
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.840
<v Speaker 16>adjust for this dark room. But if the room is

1177
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:32.560
<v Speaker 16>really dark, you can't really get a good look at

1178
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 16>it because if you go close enough, you would have

1179
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 16>seen like a seat and a little bit of the reactor,

1180
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:39.600
<v Speaker 16>but you would have been like, what's the black screen

1181
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:40.199
<v Speaker 16>I'm looking at?

1182
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:42.159
<v Speaker 12>So what is the explanation for why it's so dark?

1183
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:44.399
<v Speaker 9>It's just the way the light reflects.

1184
01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.920
<v Speaker 16>Them, and that is exactly. Yeah, it's yeah when you're

1185
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:48.359
<v Speaker 16>in that space exactly.

1186
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 17>But here's the question, like, what what are you when

1187
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:54.000
<v Speaker 17>you're making this in a computer model, right right? What

1188
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 17>are you putting in that would make it absorbed light

1189
01:08:58.319 --> 01:08:58.680
<v Speaker 17>that way?

1190
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:01.319
<v Speaker 16>I didn't do that. So what we did is we

1191
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:05.920
<v Speaker 16>spent over a year with Bob. I'm not kidding. It

1192
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:08.439
<v Speaker 16>was like a year of trying to figure out the

1193
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:12.039
<v Speaker 16>material of the craft, the actual skin of the craft.

1194
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:13.760
<v Speaker 16>That was the hardest thing to do.

1195
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.479
<v Speaker 9>With the specularity and the reflectivity of the actual the angle.

1196
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then when the.

1197
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 9>Lights are in there, they just reflected a weird angle

1198
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:26.119
<v Speaker 9>and it never gets bright in there unless you have

1199
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.119
<v Speaker 9>a tremendous amount of light in there. It's always dark.

1200
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:33.840
<v Speaker 16>And sorry to interrupt, but that would have been so

1201
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.840
<v Speaker 16>when when that happened and we have the right material,

1202
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.960
<v Speaker 16>which is like this, let's call it unpolished stainless steel.

1203
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:42.680
<v Speaker 16>It's got a little bit of usage to it, just

1204
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.239
<v Speaker 16>to give it some texture. It's it's as it's got

1205
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 16>the same sheen reflection refractions of a real material like that,

1206
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.079
<v Speaker 16>because every time we put a fake light in there, okay,

1207
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:55.279
<v Speaker 16>it's reacting like that. And now you turn these big

1208
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.079
<v Speaker 16>halogen lights on and it's like the part of where

1209
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.439
<v Speaker 16>the halogen is hit the ceiling of the craft because

1210
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.560
<v Speaker 16>they were turned upwards. Remember Bob said, they were not

1211
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:07.319
<v Speaker 16>pointed like this. They were pointed to the ceiling of

1212
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 16>the craft. So you got two of them. It's like

1213
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:14.159
<v Speaker 16>wherever the light was going was getting eaten up by

1214
01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:18.520
<v Speaker 16>that portion of the material, so it's not reflecting all

1215
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:22.079
<v Speaker 16>the ways. You have a fifty two foot distance and

1216
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:26.319
<v Speaker 16>it's being lost in a maybe seven eight foot diameter

1217
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.840
<v Speaker 16>environment area where the light is and we're like, why

1218
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:33.560
<v Speaker 16>is that happening? But that's how it does well, that's

1219
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:38.520
<v Speaker 16>the reality. He could not have known that if he's

1220
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 16>trying to make that up. Anybody who's inventing a story

1221
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 16>says there's two industrial light with four bright halogen spots

1222
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.439
<v Speaker 16>in there. A liar would not say it was really

1223
01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:54.239
<v Speaker 16>dark in there.

1224
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:56.199
<v Speaker 18>You don't know that.

1225
01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:59.760
<v Speaker 16>You have to build it. So to me, that was

1226
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.239
<v Speaker 16>a physicality of being inside the craft.

1227
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:03.880
<v Speaker 3>That made me go.

1228
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:07.960
<v Speaker 16>Lazarre could not have known that if he was making

1229
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:08.439
<v Speaker 16>that up.

1230
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:10.319
<v Speaker 18>You wouldn't know it until you experience exactly.

1231
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:15.079
<v Speaker 16>So I'm like, unless Bob back then decided to go

1232
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 16>and in his garage build himself a fake dome, which

1233
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:22.439
<v Speaker 16>I don't think you did, I'm like, how would he

1234
01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 16>have known that? We didn't expect that. We were we

1235
01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:27.600
<v Speaker 16>were struggling with why is it so dark?

1236
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:32.560
<v Speaker 18>And you make films lighting exactly and and Chris was like, dude,

1237
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:35.720
<v Speaker 18>this thing is just eating up the light, and I'm like,

1238
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 18>Bob kept saying, it's so dark in there, and it

1239
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 18>just how do you?

1240
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 16>How do you? How is that possible?

1241
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:44.640
<v Speaker 8>What were the other things?

1242
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.720
<v Speaker 16>The other one? I laugh about this with Bob all

1243
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.680
<v Speaker 16>the time. It's about the flag on the craft, that

1244
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.600
<v Speaker 16>you could have seen it, I don't remember. So when

1245
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.920
<v Speaker 16>he walked into the hangar the very first time he

1246
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 16>saw the very first time he saw the craft, and

1247
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:05.880
<v Speaker 16>he saw the American reversed American flag sticker on the craft.

1248
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:06.840
<v Speaker 8>I wonder why I was reversed.

1249
01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 16>I'll get to that in a sec I think I know,

1250
01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:14.640
<v Speaker 16>but whatever, I'll say what I think. And there's a

1251
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.560
<v Speaker 16>lot of stuff. I researched a lot of stuff on

1252
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.479
<v Speaker 16>Bob Lazar before I did this, and there's a lot

1253
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:22.640
<v Speaker 16>of bad information out there. So I really, I really

1254
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.479
<v Speaker 16>tell people, if you really want to see what he saw,

1255
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.039
<v Speaker 16>don't go read what's out there. Check this out because

1256
01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 16>Bob actually vetted everything, so it's not the wrong information read.

1257
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.199
<v Speaker 16>But anyway, there's a lot of detractors saying there's no

1258
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 16>way Lazar could have seen that flag if the craft

1259
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:38.840
<v Speaker 16>was that size, and it was on the hull, on

1260
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:43.119
<v Speaker 16>the craft shell. There's no way the angle. He's five something,

1261
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.399
<v Speaker 16>he wouldn't have been able to see it. So we

1262
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 16>built it. We built a fifty two foot diameter craft.

1263
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:52.680
<v Speaker 16>We put it in the hangar. It's there, and my team,

1264
01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:54.680
<v Speaker 16>Chris gives me the goggles, the ones I made you

1265
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.359
<v Speaker 16>try on, and it is the very first time I

1266
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:00.159
<v Speaker 16>go in there and I know the craft is there,

1267
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.319
<v Speaker 16>so I put them on. And now they're hoping, because

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<v Speaker 16>they're there with notes, they're hoping. I'm giving them all

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<v Speaker 16>the notes on Oh that's not good. That's not good.

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<v Speaker 16>And the first thing I did is I looked to

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<v Speaker 16>my right. I'm looking at the craft and I'm I

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<v Speaker 16>asked Chris to put me at five foot ten, which

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<v Speaker 16>is your height? So I said, at five ten, I'm

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<v Speaker 16>Bob's height. With the goggles, I want to see. And

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<v Speaker 16>the first thing I said is, oh, it's it. There

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<v Speaker 16>it is, and they're like there, what is? I said

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<v Speaker 16>the flag and they thought I was pointing at a

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<v Speaker 16>flag on a wall and they're like, there's no flag

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<v Speaker 16>in the hangar. I said, no, on the craft and

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<v Speaker 16>they're like yeah, I said, you can clearly see it.

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<v Speaker 16>It was clear. That was something that also made me go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 16>this is it. This is the real size. So had

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<v Speaker 16>Bob Lazar not actually seen that, the majority of the

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<v Speaker 16>detractors out there kept saying, there's no way at that

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<v Speaker 16>angle a human I could see a sticker on the

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<v Speaker 16>top of the craft, which is on the top shelf,

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<v Speaker 16>but you can it's as clear as day. So those

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<v Speaker 16>were two things that I considered to be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>it's there, So I know to maybe maybe some people

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<v Speaker 16>that's not a lot. But as a person like I am,

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<v Speaker 16>who's very technical, I'm very very I'm super difficult. It

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<v Speaker 16>took a long time to do this because I'm a

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<v Speaker 16>perfectionist and I wanted to make sure it was accurate

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<v Speaker 16>to what he saw. I look at stuff like that

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<v Speaker 16>because I analyze everything like that, and I analyzed his

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<v Speaker 16>story inside out.

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<v Speaker 12>And if you couldn't see the flag from that position.

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<v Speaker 16>I would it would have been big. Yeah, that would

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<v Speaker 16>have been a red flag for me. I would have

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<v Speaker 16>been like, wait, you can't see it, but you can,

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<v Speaker 16>so you can't. You can't put enough of a value

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<v Speaker 16>on little details like that. Because he didn't say this

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<v Speaker 16>in twenty twenty six. He said this in n eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 19>Sure, Bob Lazarre, of course, can recite a litany of

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<v Speaker 19>strange things he says have happened to him, tapped phones,

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<v Speaker 19>break ins, threats. But even if you don't buy his story,

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<v Speaker 19>there are others who can attest to a government interest

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<v Speaker 19>in UFO adherents. Terry Tavernetti is the former police officer

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<v Speaker 19>who performed polygraph tests on Lazarre. Tavernetti, who has a

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<v Speaker 19>corporate security job with a major Las Vegas business, says

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<v Speaker 19>that shortly after his involvement with the Lazarre probe was

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<v Speaker 19>made public, his employers were contacted.

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<v Speaker 20>If the corporate offices or I'm employed received a telephone

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<v Speaker 20>call from a government agency wanting to know why I

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<v Speaker 20>was getting involved in something that shouldn't be And I asked,

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<v Speaker 20>well what agency?

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<v Speaker 8>What was said?

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<v Speaker 20>Did identify themselves? And I says, because I'll be more

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<v Speaker 20>happy to talk to him and I always refuse this

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<v Speaker 20>information told that he didn't know, meaning my boss.

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<v Speaker 19>Tavernetti, who still retains the tapes and printouts from Lazar's polygraphs,

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<v Speaker 19>also says his home was burglarized in early January.

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<v Speaker 20>As an investigator of over twenty years. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 20>in coincidences. There's a reason for everything. I mean, could

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<v Speaker 20>it have been a random residential burglary.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes.

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<v Speaker 19>A Las Vegas man named Roy Byrom contacted US back

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<v Speaker 19>in November nineteen eighty nine, saying he had information about

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<v Speaker 19>Area fifty one that he had gleaned by preparing tax

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<v Speaker 19>returns for several people who worked at Groome Lake. Less

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<v Speaker 19>than twenty four hours after phoning us, Byrom says he

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<v Speaker 19>was visited by two men claiming to be Secret service

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<v Speaker 19>agents who quote just wanted to lean on me a bit.

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<v Speaker 19>Journalists who studied the field for many years say that

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<v Speaker 19>government interest in persons with inside information about UFOs is

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<v Speaker 19>very real.

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<v Speaker 11>A body of information about UFOs in the possession of

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<v Speaker 11>our government which is so sensitive to the people in

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<v Speaker 11>custody of it that they will do just about anything

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<v Speaker 11>to protect it.

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<v Speaker 2>In