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Speaker 4: No Tom Martino, Hello, Tom Martino here, Welcome to the
Speaker 4: show as we kick off a beautiful fall week in
Speaker 4: Colorado and around the country. Of course you're joining me
Speaker 4: probably on one of those. Of course, we have our
Speaker 4: wonderful audiences on our flagship station KHOW, and that we
Speaker 4: have our affiliate in Colorado Springs, Cardio. We also have
Speaker 4: wonderful people around the country on the iHeart iHeart app
Speaker 4: and YouTube and my YouTube warns. And then I'm gonna
Speaker 4: bring up John Fuller. Now, John, look pretty? John, is
Speaker 4: you're looking good? I'm hoping John can hear John. I
Speaker 4: don't see you were acting, but in any cases, Hee
Speaker 4: up on the access John Fuller Fuller Law, and he
Speaker 4: is with us and he will be acting as our
Speaker 4: expert today for personal injury and all of that. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna take him off camera until he knows we're on.
Speaker 4: So somehow he's not hearing me. So three oh three
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Speaker 4: five Hey.
Speaker 5: Dragon or Shannon, is he on Access today?
Speaker 4: We did not know he would appear that way, so
Speaker 4: we did not show up.
Speaker 6: Do you know what's that?
Speaker 7: Well, we did not know he was joining us via Access.
Speaker 6: Do you know what's what he's going to be on?
Speaker 4: No? I actually don't. I thought that was all worked out.
Speaker 4: I'm really sorry. But you know what I can do.
Speaker 4: I can probably bring up his audio on this during
Speaker 4: a break, So I'll just do that three oh three
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Speaker 4: if I think I can take him with uh?
Speaker 2: With you?
Speaker 6: Do have him? Okay? Good? Good, good good?
Speaker 5: And then I'll bring him with in a mid morning. Okay,
Speaker 5: let me let me bring you up here.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I had you and I saw you picking
Speaker 4: your nose and doing whatever else you were doing.
Speaker 5: What John?
Speaker 6: You're looking good, bro?
Speaker 4: And now I want to talk about something that's been
Speaker 4: on my mind because so many people call me. And
Speaker 4: I had a friend call you over the weekend. She
Speaker 4: was shocked you answered your phone. She called your regular number.
Speaker 4: It was about her daughter. You probably would call it Auntie.
Speaker 4: So what happens when people don't know? Now they anticipated
Speaker 4: a problem because she's smart she's not looking for trouble,
Speaker 4: but her daughter was rammed rear ended, and there's no
Speaker 4: immediate problem.
Speaker 5: But she wanted to talk to you. Is that stupid? Smart?
Speaker 4: What do you do? In other words, you don't have
Speaker 4: an immediate problem, but you just got rammed, but thirty
Speaker 4: miles an hour and the last thing you want to
Speaker 4: do is have something show up a week later and
Speaker 4: you haven't made any prep.
Speaker 5: So what do you do in a case like that?
Speaker 8: John, Well, sometimes you have a problem and you don't
Speaker 8: even know you have a problem. So that was the
Speaker 8: situation with this young lady, is that she had just
Speaker 8: been in an accident. She didn't go to the er.
Speaker 8: She wasn't sure if she needed medical care or treatment.
Speaker 8: Her car was jacked up, it could still be driving
Speaker 8: or driven. You know, she just didn't know kind of
Speaker 8: what the next steps were, yes, exactly in scripting out
Speaker 8: a plan of where to go, what to do, what
Speaker 8: are the next steps?
Speaker 6: Who you know? Who are you going to talk to?
Speaker 8: All of these things that people just don't know when
Speaker 8: they get in an accident. And you know, I do
Speaker 8: this every day, but most people don't. And so so.
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 4: I mean, in other words, if you don't have anything
Speaker 4: going on right that minute, what do you do.
Speaker 6: As a victim of a crash.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have an immediate pain, but you know
Speaker 4: you've been hit. You're not looking, like I said, I
Speaker 4: always say this, you're not looking for trouble, but you
Speaker 4: know you've just been hit thirty miles an hour from
Speaker 4: the band.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well listen, if you're hit thirty miles an hour from
Speaker 8: the back, the chances of you walking away and thinking, Wow,
Speaker 8: there's nothing wrong with me whatsoever, is very very slim.
Speaker 8: And in this particular case, the young lady was banged
Speaker 8: up pretty good, and you know, she just wasn't sure
Speaker 8: if she needed to go from work that day to
Speaker 8: seek medical care or if it was something she could
Speaker 8: get an appointment in a few days and go get
Speaker 8: checked out. And I helped her understand that, Look, the
Speaker 8: most important thing for your health is to go and
Speaker 8: get checked out, because you just don't know what the
Speaker 8: impact of the accident might have been.
Speaker 6: And you're always better getting checked out.
Speaker 8: But number two, that you know, this is a you know,
Speaker 8: you just cracked the surface of a whole.
Speaker 6: You know, this this thing.
Speaker 8: That you're going to go through and there's going to
Speaker 8: be different sets of eyes on what you do from
Speaker 8: this day for and so you know, in my business,
Speaker 8: I know that if you delay going to the doctor,
Speaker 8: you know, let's face it, somebody that has kaiser right now.
Speaker 6: If you call and say, hey, I need a new appointment.
Speaker 8: I was just in a car accident and I'd like
Speaker 8: to see my doctor. Well they're scheduling things four and
Speaker 8: five and six weeks out for first appointments, right, and
Speaker 8: that is fatal for your crash.
Speaker 6: I mean it's fatal.
Speaker 8: You're going to be accused of either not being hurt entirely,
Speaker 8: lingering and waiting around to go and get checked out,
Speaker 8: or any number of other things that couldn't be further
Speaker 8: from the truth. I don't that's just not okay in
Speaker 8: my book. If you're hurt, we either need to get
Speaker 8: you to an emergency room or an urgent care or
Speaker 8: something along those lines to get you checked out today
Speaker 8: so that we know if there's anything that truly is
Speaker 8: an emergency, and if not, then we at least know
Speaker 8: how to script out the rest of your care and
Speaker 8: make decisions along those lines.
Speaker 4: John Fuller, Now we're going to go to the phone
Speaker 4: because This looks pretty serious. John, you'll be up, so
Speaker 4: don't pick your nose and we'll talk. We'll talk to Jennifer. Jennifer.
Speaker 4: This sounds pretty serious. What's happening, Jennifer, Guys, help me
Speaker 4: out here.
Speaker 6: Well, we can only help so much.
Speaker 4: Okay, So she's not there, all right, we'll check on her. Okay,
Speaker 4: check on that line. She was going to talk about
Speaker 4: sexual assault.
Speaker 6: Let me explain something.
Speaker 4: Sexual assault, sexual harassment. They are different things. They are
Speaker 4: injuries of sort, but in general, John, what kind of
Speaker 4: damages do people seek when they've.
Speaker 8: Been We're getting a lot of somebody else's on this line.
Speaker 8: Tom on the hmm.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't hear anything.
Speaker 4: I don't know why that would be on your access
Speaker 4: if you're getting audio, John, I really don't know why
Speaker 4: that's happening. Seriously, So you're you're hearing other voices?
Speaker 6: John, Oh, I think I know what it is.
Speaker 4: Hold on, Okay, it might be your YouTube or something,
Speaker 4: or it might be something else you have feeding through.
Speaker 5: Anyway, we have Jennifer about it. Okay, you're all right, John,
Speaker 5: We'll take Jennifer.
Speaker 6: Okay, got it.
Speaker 4: Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer, what's going on? This sounds sounds pretty serious.
Speaker 4: Now let me explain something. I mean, not that it matters,
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's important. Though you mentioned or the
Speaker 4: call screener says assault, and there's a difference between assault
Speaker 4: and harassment, A fine a fine line.
Speaker 5: Was this an actual full out assault?
Speaker 4: It was? Wow? Okay, now without for the beginning here
Speaker 4: giving names and companies, tell us what happened?
Speaker 9: So it so there's two different occasions, yes, or I
Speaker 9: guess there's two different days. So the first is this
Speaker 9: customer came on to my.
Speaker 5: To my work.
Speaker 9: It was just a normal interactions and what kind.
Speaker 4: Of without like I said, in general, what kind of work?
Speaker 4: Was it a walk in store retail or what.
Speaker 10: Kind of like that?
Speaker 9: So I sell like automobiles.
Speaker 4: But it was out Yeah, all right, So customer walked walked,
Speaker 4: walked in and what happened?
Speaker 9: Yes, it took him out, showed him some of our items.
Speaker 10: He was kind of very.
Speaker 9: Cocky, I would say, just.
Speaker 4: His eyes.
Speaker 10: He bought it.
Speaker 9: He knew better than I did. So he left for
Speaker 9: the day, came back the next day. I was in
Speaker 9: the store with my manager. We were counting cash, and
Speaker 9: then I told him that he would have to wait
Speaker 9: or he could go out with my other assistant manager
Speaker 9: to go find whatever he wanted. And he's like, no,
Speaker 9: I'm you know I want you. So it became this fixing.
Speaker 9: So he waited for thirty minutes almost for me to
Speaker 9: get done counting this cash, and then we went out
Speaker 9: on a lot, started looking at what we wanted to
Speaker 9: look at, and then it kind of just got progressively
Speaker 9: more uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: He was like rubbing, Now you were showing let' taye
Speaker 4: so Jennifer. So he comes up, he's waiting for you.
Speaker 4: Then you walk you and him, you're walking out on
Speaker 4: the lot, yes, sir, okay?
Speaker 9: Then what and then as we're as I'm showing him
Speaker 9: the items, he starts getting more pushy, I guess, telling
Speaker 9: me and like.
Speaker 4: Again like what kind of stuff was he And I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to be you know, weird here, I'm just
Speaker 4: trying to find out, like you were uncomfortable, clearly did
Speaker 4: he touch you?
Speaker 11: He did?
Speaker 9: And so at first he put his arm around me,
Speaker 9: almost like a friend thing, put his arm around my shoulder,
Speaker 9: and then it got to the point where he was
Speaker 9: like telling me to bend down like almost like doo
Speaker 9: squats for him. Why And then on.
Speaker 4: Our way back wait, wait, when he put his arm
Speaker 4: around you, did he say, hey, I Hey, Jennifer, thank
Speaker 4: you so much that I really appreciate the information. Or
Speaker 4: was it just like just touching you.
Speaker 9: It was just touching me.
Speaker 4: And was his arm like around your shoulder, parder around
Speaker 4: your waist at.
Speaker 9: This point it was just my shoulder like okay.
Speaker 5: And was it one hand on his shoulder.
Speaker 4: Was it one hand on his shoulder or was he
Speaker 4: wrapping his arm up around your back on your other shoulder?
Speaker 9: It was like up around like wrapping his arm around
Speaker 9: my back, on my shoulder.
Speaker 4: And did you say anything at that point?
Speaker 11: I didn't.
Speaker 9: I kind of just kind of it was like scooting
Speaker 9: away from him, okay.
Speaker 4: And then and then so did you as you were
Speaker 4: scooting away? Did his arm come off your shoulder or
Speaker 4: did he follow you with his arm?
Speaker 9: He stayed where he was, his arm came off my shoulder.
Speaker 9: And then the making our way back inside.
Speaker 4: Then okay, and then okay, got it, So you scowed
Speaker 4: it away. I wanted to moved away from him, and
Speaker 4: then I'm making notes here, okay. So then then then
Speaker 4: you were you started going back to the office.
Speaker 9: Yes, And as we were walking back into the office,
Speaker 9: he was walking behind me and then came up by
Speaker 9: like behind me and was rubbing my shoulders as we're
Speaker 9: walking inside.
Speaker 6: Then when did he say, can you do squats for me?
Speaker 9: So he was doing that at the trailer. He did
Speaker 9: it numerous times, but it wasn't like he wasn't so
Speaker 9: he didn't physically tell me to do squats yet that
Speaker 9: was inside.
Speaker 4: Okay, So when you got inside, how to go ahead? Sorry?
Speaker 9: So he was just asking me like how much he
Speaker 9: can put in? So I'll just say I was I
Speaker 9: sell trailers, so cargo trailers dumping. So on these trailers
Speaker 9: there are ven numbers and how much they weigh, how
Speaker 9: much you can put in to them. So he kept
Speaker 9: asking me to bend down and tell me like what
Speaker 9: it is, but he already knew because he was telling
Speaker 9: me that.
Speaker 5: Did he actually say.
Speaker 4: He didn't say, look at the cargo tag and tell
Speaker 4: me what it can hold. Or did he say can
Speaker 4: you bend down and tell me or can you bend over?
Speaker 9: No, he said look at how much? Does this one way?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But but not like I'm trying to get a sense here.
Speaker 4: But he didn't like say Hey, Jennifer, can you bend
Speaker 4: over and see and read that tag for me or
Speaker 4: or squat or any did he.
Speaker 9: It would be how much does this one way? How
Speaker 9: much does this one how can help?
Speaker 4: Okay, but you took that to mean he wanted you
Speaker 4: to bend over or squat.
Speaker 9: For the way that his tone was and then the
Speaker 9: way that the day kept going.
Speaker 12: Absolutely okay.
Speaker 4: I want you to hold on.
Speaker 9: You didn't think anything of it until it kept going,
Speaker 9: so yeah.
Speaker 4: So far it's pretty disgusting, but not assault.
Speaker 6: But hold on.
Speaker 4: And then we have our personal injury attorney, John Fuller
Speaker 4: on as well. So hang on, Jennifer.
Speaker 5: Please this this, this is.
Speaker 6: Weird and something we probably want to look into.
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Speaker 5: So we're hearing a very interesting story.
Speaker 4: I'm going to bring up John Fuller again here and
Speaker 4: he's with us, and we're here. Here's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound good, that's for damn sure. We have
Speaker 4: a woman who works on a lot selling trailers and
Speaker 4: a guy came in put his arm around her. That's weird, Okay,
Speaker 4: Now she could have said. And again a lot of
Speaker 4: people say you should say and make it clear, and
Speaker 4: I don't think women should have to, but they you say,
Speaker 4: by the way, I prefer.
Speaker 6: You not touch me. That's unwelcomed.
Speaker 4: Again, there can be harassment, and obviously there's assault without
Speaker 4: making a proclamation, but that's always best. Now, you went inside,
Speaker 4: but on the way, he was asking you to can
Speaker 4: you look and see what this weighs in that ways?
Speaker 4: And he was She kind of got the impression he
Speaker 4: wanted her to bend down or bend over. So when
Speaker 4: does the assault take place, Jennifer. We're not trying to
Speaker 4: be tilating here, We're trying to truly discern what is
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 5: So when you got into the office, what happened?
Speaker 9: So, first of all, that was more of it. So
Speaker 9: when we got into the office, I actually my manager
Speaker 9: told my told this customer that it was lunchtime, so
Speaker 9: he had to come back because it was like a
Speaker 9: mandatory lunch. He got upset about it, but he left.
Speaker 9: At this point though I told my manager that I
Speaker 9: felt super uncomfortable with him. This was all on camera
Speaker 9: in our lobby. Two other employees so heard it, So
Speaker 9: a total three employees heard the fact that I felt
Speaker 9: uncomfortable around this person. He left where I left, went
Speaker 9: to lunch, came back, and he came back for his
Speaker 9: amployment at two. At this point in time, I start
Speaker 9: helping him, and all three male employees leave the office
Speaker 9: and I'm left alone with this person after I've already
Speaker 9: told my manager that I didn't feel comfortable, because my
Speaker 9: manager even said, okay, well, we'll make sure that you're
Speaker 9: not left alone, and then they left me alone with him.
Speaker 4: By the way, physical contact, I'm looking this up of
Speaker 4: any non consensual nature. It doesn't have to be you know,
Speaker 4: in delicate or unseen places or genitals or anything. Just
Speaker 4: touching could be considered a form of assault. John, did
Speaker 4: you know that?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, Okay, So what happened then, Jennifer, Well, so now.
Speaker 9: We're in my office doing paperwork and he gets to
Speaker 9: the point where he's at one point he is telling
Speaker 9: me to I'm doing his paper work. We're going over
Speaker 9: the invoice, trying to get everything that he wants on
Speaker 9: this trailer done.
Speaker 4: We're talking about, by the way, when he came back
Speaker 4: and the boss was leaving and you were going to
Speaker 4: be alone, could did you mention, Hey, I don't feel
Speaker 4: I'm private leader, your boss.
Speaker 5: I don't feel comfortable being alone with this guy.
Speaker 9: I didn't. And the only reason I say so I
Speaker 9: and I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I am a victim
Speaker 9: of past sexual bold and childhood trauma. So I'm very meek.
Speaker 9: When it came comes to it, I was scared. I
Speaker 9: didn't know how and I'm not going to be a
Speaker 9: shame to say it. I didn't know how to say no.
Speaker 9: I didn't know how to stout my life.
Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: You were so uncomfortable from past experiences that you just
Speaker 4: didn't want to bring attention to it.
Speaker 9: And that's more of.
Speaker 11: What it was.
Speaker 9: And on top of it, my childhood trauma. The thing
Speaker 9: with this is this person his name was the same
Speaker 9: person of my childhood trauma. It was it was a
Speaker 9: It brought everything back, which sounds horrible. I mean, I
Speaker 9: don't mean to like so.
Speaker 4: But when he came back, did he do anything to you?
Speaker 4: When he came back to the.
Speaker 13: Office, that's when.
Speaker 9: So this is when it actually everything really happened. So
Speaker 9: when he came to the offic this the first one
Speaker 9: was we were talking about the spare tire, and he
Speaker 9: basically this is when he told me that I can
Speaker 9: come over to his house and do squats to pay
Speaker 9: off the spare tire.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, Okay, hold on, hold on now,
Speaker 4: now what do you mean by that? So, so, what
Speaker 4: do you mean spare tire? And what do you mean
Speaker 4: pay it off? And all that tell me what you're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 9: So the spare tire for his trailer, I want to say,
Speaker 9: was close to four hundred and I think it's four
Speaker 9: hundred and sixty five dollars.
Speaker 4: So you said, if you order this trailer, a spare
Speaker 4: is going to cost you an extra four hundred bucks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So here's trailers on our lot and to add
Speaker 9: the tire on. So as we're looking at the invoice,
Speaker 9: all I do is I have to just take this
Speaker 9: stuff off of his invoice.
Speaker 4: Is this a trailer that he's buying from you that
Speaker 4: was on your lot?
Speaker 9: Yes, it's a dump trailer that was on our lot.
Speaker 4: Okay, were and he did not he did not want.
Speaker 5: The spare or he wanted a spare.
Speaker 9: He didn't want to pay for this spare. So he
Speaker 9: told me that if so Basically, if he's going to
Speaker 9: pay for the spare, then the way that it was
Speaker 9: going to be paid off is by me coming over
Speaker 9: to his house to do.
Speaker 4: The only way I'm going to pay for that spare
Speaker 4: is if you come to my house and do what.
Speaker 9: Squats and other things.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's disgusting. I'd be pissed off. So you should
Speaker 4: have just said, sir, I think you should leave.
Speaker 6: But what happened.
Speaker 9: I wanted to, but I mentally I can do it.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, I got it.
Speaker 9: There's one point where he does grab my wrists and
Speaker 9: he says, to f and do it?
Speaker 5: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa, to wait wait to e f
Speaker 5: and do it?
Speaker 4: Do what?
Speaker 9: So to hurry up and get his paperwork done because
Speaker 9: in his eyes now it's just taking too long.
Speaker 6: Geez, did you start feelings?
Speaker 5: He grabbed a like hard, like like or or like.
Speaker 11: Gentle It was gentle like and and he so he.
Speaker 4: Gently puts his hand on on your wrist and says,
Speaker 4: just effing do it.
Speaker 9: Yeah what?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 9: So I finished his paperwork, We get everything, and at
Speaker 9: this point I'm just feeling more uncomfortable. So I tell him,
Speaker 9: let's go see if your trailer is ready. So we
Speaker 9: walk outside, walk towards his trailer. His trailer is all
Speaker 9: the way in the back, not all the way in
Speaker 9: the back, but like midyard in the back. So all
Speaker 9: of my guys are in like our PDI area with
Speaker 9: the cameras show them, but it doesn't show where I'm at.
Speaker 4: So did you did your office have a camera at
Speaker 4: all or any recording equipment?
Speaker 9: So the office does, but it doesn't show. So and
Speaker 9: that's one of my biggest problems that I'm having right
Speaker 9: now is my corporate office did not release all of
Speaker 9: the camera footage.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, are they thinking you're overreacting? I mean, what's
Speaker 4: what's your gut feeling? Are they thinking you're overreacting?
Speaker 9: I think my feeling is they are just protecting themselves.
Speaker 4: Okay, I want you to hold on. I want to
Speaker 4: get John Fuller's perspective on this, and that that's that's strange.
Speaker 5: I mean, it is and I'm not sure how.
Speaker 4: To take it. It's I mean, it's obviously unwelcomed and wrong.
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone has to be told don't say
Speaker 4: that to me. When he says, hey, if I'm going
Speaker 4: to get the spait tired. The only way I'm getting
Speaker 4: that is you've come over to my house and do
Speaker 4: squats and other things that that that's just I mean,
Speaker 4: that's off base. It is it's it's off base, even
Speaker 4: for a presidential candidate.
Speaker 6: Hold on a second, I'm.
Speaker 4: Just kidding around. I shouldn't kid Actually, I'm sorry about that.
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Speaker 4: two five five. All right, Tredana, I want you to
Speaker 4: hang on, but because I want to finish up with
Speaker 4: Jennifer and see what we can do, if anything. John
Speaker 4: Fuller Fuller Law, let's uh go to John. And John,
Speaker 4: what I'd like to know is you've heard this story.
Speaker 4: Put on your hat as a prosecutor or not, you know,
Speaker 4: as somebody who sues people and and you may not
Speaker 4: handle a sexual assault, personal injuries and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: but you're still have the legal mind and handle these
Speaker 4: things every day. So what is your take on what
Speaker 4: she has told us? And for those listening, you can
Speaker 4: go back and listen to the feed, But what.
Speaker 5: Do you take on this?
Speaker 11: John?
Speaker 6: Did it go beyond what we've heard so far?
Speaker 5: Well, don't you think?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Oh wait, she said yes. But I want to ask
Speaker 5: you something.
Speaker 4: Isn't it kind of unacceptable what's happened so far?
Speaker 6: Are John? Well? It is?
Speaker 8: I mean clearly that's not an acceptable response or environment
Speaker 8: for an employer to put an employee into, you know,
Speaker 8: that deal. However, I have to say, as a guy
Speaker 8: that does this every day, one of the critical ingredients
Speaker 8: that we would look at is damages.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, I'm waiting to hear.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what happened then? Okay, enoughset I totally agree
Speaker 4: what happened then, Jennifer.
Speaker 9: So when we went over by his trailer, we were
Speaker 9: over there and he it was more I was trying
Speaker 9: to get out by the guys so that it wasn't
Speaker 9: alone in the building anymore, just because the comments that
Speaker 9: he was saying, which didn't help. The guys weren't paying attention.
Speaker 9: When we were over by the trailer, it was almost
Speaker 9: the same thing. He was like pushing my like my
Speaker 9: shoulders down towards the trailer, so that I was more
Speaker 9: or less bending down again.
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, how did he do that? Did how did
Speaker 5: he do that?
Speaker 9: He literally pushed you, like aggressively, like putting his hands
Speaker 9: on my shoulders and pushing me down towards the trailer, Yes.
Speaker 4: Down towards the trailer. What and why was he doing that?
Speaker 4: When was he saying anything while he was doing it?
Speaker 9: Because at that point, I and this, so this happened
Speaker 9: over a year ago. We just finished his case.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, but hold on,
Speaker 4: hold on, one thing at a time. Okay, you told
Speaker 4: me it was a year ago. But one thing at
Speaker 4: a time. He was pushing you down. And then what
Speaker 4: did you say anything at that point?
Speaker 11: I didn't.
Speaker 9: Again, it was all a sheer thing.
Speaker 5: Okay, Then what happened?
Speaker 4: Then what happened?
Speaker 9: I remember my my coworker did come over because he
Speaker 9: was going to put on his plate, so it's temporary place.
Speaker 4: Well, what was the purpose of pushing you down? Did
Speaker 4: he say, take a look at this or when he
Speaker 4: was well, I don't understand. He's pushing you down. He
Speaker 4: wants you to go down to look at the trailer.
Speaker 4: Did he say anything, take a closer look.
Speaker 9: It was about the tires, because he said I could
Speaker 9: have gotten the tires. So when his trailer came, it
Speaker 9: had no tires on it, and that's what we were
Speaker 9: waiting for, was his tires to be put on.
Speaker 5: You no tires or tires.
Speaker 4: He didn't want.
Speaker 9: All of our tires. All of our traders come with
Speaker 9: the same tires, so he gets the same tires that
Speaker 9: all the trailers have. But it was just having to wait.
Speaker 9: So when he originally came, there was no like tires
Speaker 9: on his trailer. By the time we went outside, the
Speaker 9: tires were already put on his trailer, and so he
Speaker 9: made the comment of I could have put them on
Speaker 9: and he would have enjoyed watching me put on his tires.
Speaker 5: All right, So then what keep going?
Speaker 6: Keep going? Okay, keep going.
Speaker 9: When Destin came over, I remember he was one of
Speaker 9: my coworkers. He was the one who gave the or
Speaker 9: put the plates on. I remember giving him like this
Speaker 9: look of almost like help me, kind of look. He
Speaker 9: didn't really pay attention. He put the place on and
Speaker 9: walked away. So at this point we're just kind of
Speaker 9: talking about the trailer of like what's gonna happen as
Speaker 9: far as them hooking up.
Speaker 14: This trailer.
Speaker 9: Cast making these clue comments of how they're not paying attention.
Speaker 9: He could get me into one of these like cargo trailers,
Speaker 9: and were standing by a cargo trailer about getting me
Speaker 9: into one of the cargo trailers and nobody would know.
Speaker 9: And I made the comment of it's too hot. It's
Speaker 9: like trying to make a joke out of it instead
Speaker 9: of it being like a.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So I'm standing now at the front of the trailer
Speaker 9: and he's kind of behind me, and as I'm standing
Speaker 9: there watching like the guys, hoping that one of them
Speaker 9: would come over, he then kind of crosses my back
Speaker 9: and as he's crossing my brack, he moved it down
Speaker 9: touches my butt and then touches my vagina kind of
Speaker 9: like hooks my vagina, and then I turn around real
Speaker 9: quick and tell him I'm gonna go see if where
Speaker 9: this progress is. And I walk away, and then I
Speaker 9: go inside and I start crying.
Speaker 4: Wow, God, dang it. So he touched your buttox and
Speaker 4: your vagina and then you should have just okay, Well,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell you what should okay?
Speaker 5: You went to start grag? What did he do at
Speaker 5: that point? Did he leave? Finally?
Speaker 6: Did you call help? What did you do?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 9: He So I'm inside, I start crying. I go to
Speaker 9: the bathroomster crying, and then I go into like our lobby.
Speaker 9: At this point, Dustin, one of my coworkers, comes inside,
Speaker 9: sees me crying, ask me if everything's okay. I said,
Speaker 9: he touched my butt. At this point, I didn't tell
Speaker 9: anybody that he touched my vagina because that was more
Speaker 9: just keep going.
Speaker 5: So so I want to know this. Did anyone say
Speaker 5: anything to this guy or did he just leave?
Speaker 15: So that was more.
Speaker 16: Dustin was going to go.
Speaker 9: Out and kick his butt. I told him no, I
Speaker 9: made Dustin stay inside. Well, I ended up going and
Speaker 9: telling Chris that something happened. Chris came inside. I told
Speaker 9: that's what happened. Ye, we called hr HR because Chris
Speaker 9: didn't know what to do. He's my manager, all.
Speaker 5: Right, hold on, hold on, I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I'm ready. At to Jennifer, I'm trying not to rush you,
Speaker 4: but at the same time where John is trying to
Speaker 4: get a feel for what this is as far as damages.
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Speaker 4: three eight two five five Jennifer, I do, I do
Speaker 4: want to get to a point where we can give
Speaker 4: you some recommendations. I want to know something in the
Speaker 4: past year. What's been going on? You said this happened
Speaker 4: last year? What's been going on the past year? And
Speaker 4: you said you just finished with the case. Did you
Speaker 4: sue this gentleman?
Speaker 6: What happened? I'm guessing they criminally prosecuted him?
Speaker 11: Did they?
Speaker 5: Did you report?
Speaker 6: Okay, so you did report it to police?
Speaker 9: I did, but it was more just the support of
Speaker 9: the company.
Speaker 5: So I have yet to hear what I want to
Speaker 5: know this did the police? Was he found guilty?
Speaker 9: So because of evidence or more or less because of
Speaker 9: camera footage? How everything was set up, the footage that
Speaker 9: my company sent, they got him with just the harassment charge.
Speaker 4: Okay, fine, so that's done. Now what are you calling
Speaker 4: about today? Are you upset with the way the whole
Speaker 4: thing was handled?
Speaker 9: Absolutely with my company? Even now, like I said, from
Speaker 9: my like my HR department rolled me that day that happened,
Speaker 9: and I haven't heard from them since. There was no Okay,
Speaker 9: I'm the first female that was hired at this company
Speaker 9: to work for.
Speaker 6: What do you want a law?
Speaker 4: What would you what would you have considered to be
Speaker 4: acceptable from your company?
Speaker 9: I mean just checking in. There was no counseling, there
Speaker 9: was no I've had to use my days off to
Speaker 9: go to these courts that have been continuously put off,
Speaker 9: and then I mean it's been a continuous there's just
Speaker 9: no support at all. I've been like I feel like I've.
Speaker 8: Been Are you there?
Speaker 5: Are you still there, Jennifer?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, John. Does she have a case against her employer?
Speaker 6: You know, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 8: I mean, I unless there was an actor that was
Speaker 8: part of the employer, and under these circumstances, I think
Speaker 8: what you have is a failure to act. Well, you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's that you know, maybe if if the damages
Speaker 8: were greater and you could point to a failure of
Speaker 8: the company to put in protective safeguards and stuff, then
Speaker 8: I think that maybe you would have the grounds to
Speaker 8: go forward. But I still didn't hear. I mean, did
Speaker 8: it go beyond the touching that you described? To us, Jennifer, No,
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 6: I mean that was bad enough. You know, I'm just
Speaker 6: asking did it?
Speaker 8: I mean, she's she's saying they could only get the harassment,
Speaker 8: which tells me that's push show touch. You know, that's
Speaker 8: a that's a barely basic threshold misdemeanor type.
Speaker 6: You know case.
Speaker 8: Were there allegations that it went way beyond that. I
Speaker 8: just need to know what you know this and we
Speaker 8: can ask her that off the air.
Speaker 5: But right now, Jennifer, I don't know what you were
Speaker 5: trying to accomplish.
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Speaker 3: Come Dick is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martino, Hello.
Speaker 6: Tom Martino here, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Three oh three seven one three talk three all three
Speaker 4: seven one three eight two five five. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Our guest is John Fuller Fuller Law. He's a personal
Speaker 4: injury attorney. If you look him up online and google him,
Speaker 4: you'll see what he does. He helps people with car
Speaker 4: accidents to get their rights basically so they don't ruin
Speaker 4: their rights. And anyway, he's with us today. John, Welcome,
Speaker 4: and I want to just go over something real quick.
Speaker 4: I'm going to first take this call and then we'll
Speaker 4: go over at the previous call because a lot of
Speaker 4: people are asking what was what does she want?
Speaker 5: We don't know what she wanted.
Speaker 4: We really don't and I don't mean that in a
Speaker 4: bad put down way, but we don't know what she wanted.
Speaker 6: We don't know what she's asking for.
Speaker 4: And a lot of times that's a problem, or not
Speaker 4: a lot of times, it's always a problem.
Speaker 6: But I need to take Jordana.
Speaker 4: She's been waiting so long, and we have John Fuller,
Speaker 4: whether she's talking about a car accident.
Speaker 5: Jordana, what's going on?
Speaker 10: Why? How are you good?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good and I hope we can help you.
Speaker 5: What's going on?
Speaker 17: Okay?
Speaker 16: So well, I want to start about regarding my son's
Speaker 16: accident that happened August seventh, Stiff, I get emotional. August
Speaker 16: seventeenth of twenty twenty two. He actually got killed on the.
Speaker 4: Road on his Oh, oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So your son got killed in August of twenty twenty two. Yes, oh,
Speaker 4: what happened?
Speaker 11: Sorry?
Speaker 16: He was on his way to get medicine for his
Speaker 16: girlfriend and coming down the road a company truck fifty
Speaker 16: to eighty seamless gutters. They are located hest minister the drive.
Speaker 16: The driver of the truck turned to soon. My son
Speaker 16: had to ride away. The truck turned to soon cut
Speaker 16: him off and he ended up being pronounced ben.
Speaker 6: At the scene.
Speaker 4: So, Jordana, Jordana, I'm honest to God, my heart to
Speaker 4: lose a child, I don't even have words, but I
Speaker 4: need to ask them details. This was a commercial truck
Speaker 4: that ran into your son, Yes, and it was eight
Speaker 4: eight eight seamless gutters. Did you say no?
Speaker 5: Fifty to eighty. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I heard.
Speaker 4: It fifty to eighty. Okay, I need to know this
Speaker 4: was were they given a ticket?
Speaker 16: Not that night of that night of the of the accident,
Speaker 16: they did not get a ticket. Nobody got arrested, No
Speaker 16: one went to jail. They did do blood work on
Speaker 16: the gentleman. Uh, yes, Hernandez, Yes, we came back three months,
Speaker 16: three months later that he was yeah, three times the
Speaker 16: legal limit of Oh.
Speaker 5: Was he arrested? Then was he arrested?
Speaker 3: Then they rolled out?
Speaker 6: Did you say you know what?
Speaker 4: Hold hold on? Hold on, danare Dana? I'm sorry, dear,
Speaker 4: this is we need to know a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: and we can't just gloss over it. So when you
Speaker 4: said the driver's blood out, was it blood alcohol or
Speaker 4: blood THHC?
Speaker 16: Blood THC was three?
Speaker 8: Is there a legal limit for that, John, Well, it's yes,
Speaker 8: there is, but it's a very tricky thing because a
Speaker 8: legal limit of THHC or any limit of THC doesn't
Speaker 8: necessarily correlate to impairment.
Speaker 6: So that's still a very high limit. Though. Go ahead, ma'am,
Speaker 6: tell me the rest of your story.
Speaker 16: Yeah. And so when we so in December early January,
Speaker 16: we got letters saying that they are charging mister Hernandez
Speaker 16: for an accident, but they are charging him for careless
Speaker 16: driving and under the influence, So two separate charges under
Speaker 16: the influence resulting in death. Two years go by if
Speaker 16: we don't get to go to trial until two years later,
Speaker 16: which just ended in August. The investor we had three
Speaker 16: different witnesses on the stands on our side. One of
Speaker 16: them was the eyewitness that witness the whole accident, the
Speaker 16: second one was the officer on the scene after Daniel
Speaker 16: McDonald's he was from West Minister Police Department. And then
Speaker 16: we had a toxicology report on on our side to testify.
Speaker 4: Are you speaking Are you speaking of the criminal aspect?
Speaker 6: So far? Tom?
Speaker 4: Okay, so far? This is a criminal court.
Speaker 6: Okay. Did they convict him?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 16: Okay, Well so it's it's a long well let me
Speaker 16: say this. So when we went to trial, you know,
Speaker 16: they actually ended up seating us in the same area
Speaker 16: and in the same role as his family because they
Speaker 16: didn't have no room. We got provoked during that time.
Speaker 16: We wore my son's shirts, like you know, his picture
Speaker 16: on the shirt we had. We had a picture frame
Speaker 16: with us because we didn't know we were going to
Speaker 16: go to immediate sentencing a week later. They the courts
Speaker 16: told us to take off our shirts. They told us
Speaker 16: to be they have to take ours because we're intimidating
Speaker 16: the defendant. Okay, so and so let me go back
Speaker 16: to a little bit when they had off to Daniel
Speaker 16: McDonald testify on the stands. You know, it was very sloppy.
Speaker 16: He didn't care.
Speaker 4: But your dana, are you if he was ultimately if
Speaker 4: he was ultimately convicted, what are you tell me about there?
Speaker 4: Rather than you know, these little little things in the trial.
Speaker 4: What are you are you complaining about the ultimate outcome.
Speaker 16: Everything? We weren't. We weren't in the when the DA
Speaker 16: was trying to put the charges on Hernandez. We were
Speaker 16: not in the decision making of that. We had no
Speaker 16: say anything. So they found him guilty of driving under
Speaker 16: the influence for the second time. So this is a
Speaker 16: second offense. And they found him not guilty on the
Speaker 16: careless driving.
Speaker 8: Now wait, that's fine, not guilty. You've got a couple
Speaker 8: of questions. Did they still found him guilty of the
Speaker 8: UI causing dad? So they got I mean, that's that's
Speaker 8: a big serious charge. Did he did you just pursue this.
Speaker 16: But that's he did have a child and he does
Speaker 16: have a daughter, so that civil case against the company
Speaker 16: is being you know, it's being pur stood by the
Speaker 16: girlfriend and everything.
Speaker 5: No, no, Geordana, your dana, jrdana, hold on your dana.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute. How old was your son?
Speaker 14: Thirty?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 16: And her next to kin?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 5: It wasn't your son. What what is it your son
Speaker 5: or not?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's my son.
Speaker 5: Okay, your biological son.
Speaker 4: And he was married or or common law married, they
Speaker 4: had a child together, and that woman, his spouse or
Speaker 4: his significant other, is suing the company. Is that right?
Speaker 16: She is trying to pursue a lawsuit against the company.
Speaker 5: What what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Trying?
Speaker 5: Does she have an attorney?
Speaker 16: Lawyer?
Speaker 5: And did they file was an attorney? Did they file
Speaker 5: a lawsuit?
Speaker 6: I'm sure they did tell me.
Speaker 11: I believe.
Speaker 16: I believe so, I believe. So it's just okay, I
Speaker 16: just don't. The reason why I'm calling is I don't
Speaker 16: feel like my son got justice. It's not about the money.
Speaker 16: It's if they gave the defendant thirty days of health arrest.
Speaker 5: That was it for a dui causing death?
Speaker 16: Yes, sir, yes, that that's I'm speaking justice for my
Speaker 16: son A two and my son like roadkill.
Speaker 5: Oh John, Is that unusual the thirty days of house arrest.
Speaker 16: On his second offense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I mean, no, it's not. It tells me
Speaker 8: that there was something going on with that prosecution. There
Speaker 8: was some problem, some error. I mean, if it's just
Speaker 8: that could be back to what we talked about earlier,
Speaker 8: where the level of THHC is is certainly a problem,
Speaker 8: but it's not necessarily indicative of impairment because it's you know,
Speaker 8: the level of impairment on any given level of THC
Speaker 8: could could equal a different level of impairment for you
Speaker 8: or I or ten different people, and so it's challenging.
Speaker 6: So I don't know what happened in that case.
Speaker 8: What I can tell you is that hold on in
Speaker 8: this in this circumstance, Jordana, you got to you got
Speaker 8: to get your justice on the civil side of things.
Speaker 8: Nobody's ever going to feel that you got justice is
Speaker 8: strictly in the criminal side as a victim. That I mean,
Speaker 8: you can put somebody in jail, but you can't ever
Speaker 8: bring back your son. And the purpose of the civil
Speaker 8: course is to balance the scales and bring back and
Speaker 8: undo as much as you can what was taken away
Speaker 8: from you and in this case, taken away from his
Speaker 8: child because as a grown man and at thirty, he's
Speaker 8: a grown king.
Speaker 5: But I have a question, John, the child, John, I
Speaker 5: have a question.
Speaker 4: Does this woman as the mom, also have a civil
Speaker 4: case against the company or just or does she not
Speaker 4: have standing if she wanted to down the list?
Speaker 8: She's down the list this because he has a child.
Speaker 8: That child is going to be the presumptive party to
Speaker 8: bring the action. The only way that the mom would
Speaker 8: be able to bring it would be if the child
Speaker 8: or a spouse disclaimed the claim and chose not to
Speaker 8: do it.
Speaker 5: But they don't both have claims. They don't both have.
Speaker 8: Okay, No they don't, so they don't, okay, So her
Speaker 8: pursuit and to go ahead, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 16: On the so if you had a witness, which is
Speaker 16: the lady that did the blood tests, she was a
Speaker 16: specialist on the toxicology report. The DA asked her a question.
Speaker 16: He said, did his driving that night? Did his level
Speaker 16: of TC that night impair his driving? She said yes,
Speaker 16: but that's.
Speaker 4: But he was he was convicted of that.
Speaker 5: See I'm not sure what more you want.
Speaker 4: He was convicted of that, but you feel he should
Speaker 4: have gotten a harsher sentence.
Speaker 16: Yes, yes, I feel like you know, I'm not asking
Speaker 16: him to do a life sentence, and as an accident
Speaker 16: is an accident. But at the same time, he's back
Speaker 16: driving the same truck, he's back working at the water company's.
Speaker 5: He's working for the same company.
Speaker 10: Yes, his his father owns the company.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that okay, all right, all right? John, Do
Speaker 4: you do you have any advice for her, because Jordana,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure there's anything anyone can do for you
Speaker 4: other than the you know, the the spouse seeking damages
Speaker 4: for the sun. But I don't Jordana, I don't think
Speaker 4: you're going to get this case reopened. If that's what
Speaker 4: you're trying to do. John, Let's give her the truth
Speaker 4: at least right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The truth of the situation is that the criminal process
Speaker 8: has run its course. For whatever reason, they got the
Speaker 8: conviction that they got. If it went to trial, that
Speaker 8: was the decision of a jury after hearing all the evidence.
Speaker 8: I can't speak to the courtroom, theatrics, the shirts and
Speaker 8: you know, wearing all that stuff, But you know, the
Speaker 8: bottom line here is that that process is over, and
Speaker 8: as a victim, you don't have the ability to go
Speaker 8: back in and say, we want a more harsh sentence
Speaker 8: or we want a more you know, serious charge. I
Speaker 8: mean you have to leave that to the DA to
Speaker 8: make those decisions. Yes, as a victim, you have the
Speaker 8: right to be heard and to you know, participate at
Speaker 8: every stage. But on the civil side, I mean that
Speaker 8: the child is the presumptive party to be pursuing this.
Speaker 6: I'm glad they have an attorney. I'm glad they're pursuing it.
Speaker 8: I can't imagine that this person would be driving, but
Speaker 8: with the family owning it, you know, that just seems crazy.
Speaker 8: And I can't even imagine that their insurance company is
Speaker 8: going to let that person drive for very much longer.
Speaker 8: And that child should, based on what you've told me,
Speaker 8: be very well taken care of by the time this
Speaker 8: is all said and done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I hope they have a good representation. Listen, Jordana,
Speaker 4: there's not much we can do. You can leave the
Speaker 4: name of the attorney off the air. I'd like to
Speaker 4: know who it is, just for the heck of it.
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Speaker 4: three eight two five outlets. So Jennifer called in the
Speaker 4: beginning of the show and she had a really I
Speaker 4: think it was it was a terrible thing happened to
Speaker 4: her at work and the guy was prosecuted, and I
Speaker 4: want to know a couple of things here. First of all,
Speaker 4: the guy was prosecuted, and she doesn't like the way
Speaker 4: her company handled it. But basically the cops did charge him.
Speaker 4: He did only thirty Wait, wait, that's the one. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I got it, Okay.
Speaker 5: So so she went.
Speaker 4: She was harassed and assaulted, and I believe was he
Speaker 4: convicted of harassment? Yes, but you don't like the way
Speaker 4: your company supported you, and you wanted to know if
Speaker 4: there's anything you can do about it, John, what do
Speaker 4: you think?
Speaker 8: Well, my thought was that you know, this was during
Speaker 8: the courson scope of her employment, and so you know,
Speaker 8: maybe the first avenue for you would be to pursue
Speaker 8: a work compcase and try to get some of the
Speaker 8: counseling and treatment that you think is warranted here or necessary.
Speaker 8: You know, I don't really see a civil case here
Speaker 8: against your employer. I don't do a lot of these cases,
Speaker 8: but normally, when we have a case, there's a bad
Speaker 8: actor in the employer, and that means a boss, a supervisor,
Speaker 8: or whatever that's not really present here. What you're saying
Speaker 8: is they failed to understand while you were being subjected
Speaker 8: to bad things, but were incapable of articulating those to
Speaker 8: your boss. I mean, you said yourself numerous times. I
Speaker 8: didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. I didn't say
Speaker 8: anything John.
Speaker 4: What about after? But what about after John? What about
Speaker 4: after he was charged? I think she was hinting that
Speaker 4: they didn't cooperate enough. They didn't give enough video, they
Speaker 4: didn't give enough evidence. What about that?
Speaker 8: Well, they got a conviction, Jennifer, not of the assault.
Speaker 8: It's just with the police or.
Speaker 5: What, Jennifer, you say they didn't cooperate fully?
Speaker 6: What do you mean? Exactly?
Speaker 9: So with the defense attorney. So when she called to
Speaker 9: get more of the footage and stuff, they straight out
Speaker 9: told her that they destroyed the footage, that they didn't
Speaker 9: have it anymore for her to look at.
Speaker 5: Well, hold on, they told that to the to the
Speaker 5: defense attorney.
Speaker 9: Right, So it's the same thing now if I it's
Speaker 9: just like me telling all three my manager, my assistant manager,
Speaker 9: and my other employee that I was uncomfortable and now
Speaker 9: that footage has gone as well. So it's the same
Speaker 9: thing that I'm feeling, where I feel like that information
Speaker 9: that I'm telling them, and that.
Speaker 4: Would you do, John asked, what would you do with
Speaker 4: the footage if you did have it?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I feel like that's proof that I
Speaker 9: told them that I was uncomfortable and they still left
Speaker 9: me in a situation.
Speaker 4: Where they they didn't cause it at all. You're saying
Speaker 4: that it would show they were negligent. Absolutely, How would
Speaker 4: show they were negligent.
Speaker 9: Any of this? So, before any of this actually took place,
Speaker 9: there was already planned in place that one of them
Speaker 9: would stay with me at all times, and none of
Speaker 9: them did. They all left me.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, they all left you way camera, Jennifer.
Speaker 4: Wait they left you when when he came back?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 9: So, when I told him I was uncomfortable with that man?
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, Jennifer, hold on. You told him
Speaker 4: you were uncomfortable with that man? Yes, and then he
Speaker 4: came back and they knew he was back, they knew
Speaker 4: you had felt uncomfortable, and still did not accompany you. Right, Yes, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to make that very clear. Okay,
Speaker 4: So on the video, would it have had your audio
Speaker 4: on there of you telling them that?
Speaker 9: Absolutely?
Speaker 8: They record say I'm not going out there with that guy.
Speaker 8: You're going to have to send it, send another salesperson
Speaker 8: out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would you have said that here.
Speaker 6: But I'm really, I'm really trying to figure it out,
Speaker 6: Like what what did you want them to do?
Speaker 9: So again, I mean, it's still the same.
Speaker 4: She wanted them to accompany her. She wanted them to
Speaker 4: recognize she was uncomfortable without her having to formalize it
Speaker 4: in the absence of that.
Speaker 6: But in the I know, I got that. But in
Speaker 6: the absence of that, why didn't you not go? I mean,
Speaker 6: why I get that they failed you.
Speaker 4: You could have said, Jennifer, you could have said, listen,
Speaker 4: I told you I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: I'm not going out there with that guy. You better
Speaker 5: send someone else.
Speaker 6: Could you have said that.
Speaker 9: At what point when they were all gone and I
Speaker 9: was left alone with him?
Speaker 4: No, the second time he came on to the lot,
Speaker 4: you could have said, I'm not dealing with this guy.
Speaker 4: I told you I was uncomfortable with him.
Speaker 9: When they all left and I was again alone with him, when.
Speaker 4: Did you Jennifer Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer, you gotta listen,
Speaker 4: I'm asking this. The first time he came you told
Speaker 4: him you were uncomfortable. Second time he came. Let me
Speaker 4: ask you this. The second time he came, where were
Speaker 4: your coworkers?
Speaker 11: They left?
Speaker 9: They went out by okay, they.
Speaker 2: Left before hold on, John, just wait please? Did they
Speaker 2: leave before he arrived?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 2: Then how can they be blamed for leaving you alone
Speaker 2: if they did not.
Speaker 9: Know he was coming coming back?
Speaker 13: Did they know what time he was coming back?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, they all knew he was coming back at two.
Speaker 9: It was a scheduled thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, So they should have said, by the way, Jennifer,
Speaker 4: that man is coming back at two. I'm going to
Speaker 4: stay with you.
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 4: Could you have said, guys, wait a minute, I need
Speaker 4: someone to stay behind here because at two o'clock that
Speaker 4: scary man is coming back.
Speaker 5: Could you have verbalized so.
Speaker 6: Too, and you guys are not here? Where the heck?
Speaker 5: Are you right?
Speaker 6: It's coming back?
Speaker 5: Could you have done that?
Speaker 9: I mean I could have, yes, But I was coming
Speaker 9: back off of lunch and I literally talked in and
Speaker 9: he was there.
Speaker 4: Okay, Jennifer, I know I'm not trying to Honest to God,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to attack you.
Speaker 6: I do believe you that you are uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: We're just asking these questions, because these are the questions
Speaker 4: you will be asked if you tried to pursue something now.
Speaker 4: So okay, so it's what do you want right now?
Speaker 4: Have you ever pursued civil action against him personally? The
Speaker 4: man John could?
Speaker 9: I don't have anything for him now they've destroyed all
Speaker 9: the evidence. I have nothing to prove anything now, okay.
Speaker 5: So, Jennifer, how many how many.
Speaker 9: Times I have a phone call from the officer in him?
Speaker 5: How many times before?
Speaker 4: How many times before has this happened to you with
Speaker 4: a sexual harassment or assault?
Speaker 9: I mean, this is the first one that's ever been recorded.
Speaker 4: But how many times? Though? But you said you were traumatized?
Speaker 4: How many other times has this happened?
Speaker 9: I was raped when I was sixteen.
Speaker 5: Oh my family friend, Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, well, and then.
Speaker 9: My sister's father molested me from the time I was
Speaker 9: three until I was eight.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Jennifer, Are you getting counseling and stuff?
Speaker 4: By the way, I was, yeah, Are you still no?
Speaker 9: I can't. I divorced my husband last year and I
Speaker 9: can't afford it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: Well, there's help available where you don't have to pay
Speaker 4: for it. Seriously, I'm serious, Jennifer. I think you need
Speaker 4: to deal with this now.
Speaker 6: Now listen.
Speaker 4: I understand why you're upset, but I have a feeling
Speaker 4: sometimes people and I don't mean this as a negative,
Speaker 4: but you're lashing out at your employer. You're upset with
Speaker 4: the injustice of it all.
Speaker 6: Get it.
Speaker 4: But I think there is trauma that you have to
Speaker 4: deal with so you can feel better about this, I
Speaker 4: mean about yourself and stuff.
Speaker 5: I think there's more to it.
Speaker 10: But that's it is.
Speaker 9: I worked on that. That's not what happened. Is when
Speaker 9: he touched me, it brought up a lot of other stuff, absolutely,
Speaker 9: and I went to the counseling for that.
Speaker 10: Okay, So it's not like I haven't.
Speaker 9: Worked on myself. It's not like I haven't done it.
Speaker 9: It's the fact that I told my manager.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, we get it. They're saying, I get it.
Speaker 5: You're saying they were negligent.
Speaker 4: John. Is she going to have a negligent case against
Speaker 4: her employer? Do you feel if she came into your office?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 8: It would not be a case that I would pursue.
Speaker 8: I mean, I listen, there are people that really specialize
Speaker 8: in this, in this kind of stuff. I think the
Speaker 8: difficulty you're going to have is that the damages haven't
Speaker 8: been fully you know, they're not fully mature. We don't
Speaker 8: really have a you know, a long list of medical
Speaker 8: expenses and stuff for the counseling. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 8: a tragic story, but I just don't think it's gonna
Speaker 8: mature into a civil case.
Speaker 6: But I could be wrong.
Speaker 8: I mean, you've got a horrible history, and I feel
Speaker 8: really bad for you, but I just don't know that
Speaker 8: this one has all the ingredients to fully mature into
Speaker 8: a case.
Speaker 4: And Jennifer, you may want to call attorneys that specialize
Speaker 4: in this negligence and for this sexual assault, but at
Speaker 4: this point, to be really straight with you, we don't.
Speaker 4: We don't see a strong I think you you might
Speaker 4: want to, I don't. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 4: get anything from there. I don't. I don't think there's
Speaker 4: going to be a load of damages, maybe psychologically if
Speaker 4: you find the right attorney, but we don't know of anyone.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, And again I do believe you, and I
Speaker 4: do believe maybe they took it too casually. Maybe they did,
Speaker 4: you know, but I don't know if there's a legal
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Speaker 4: phones and Marlene, what's going on with you?
Speaker 6: Marlene? I'm Tom Martino. What's happening? What's happening? Marlene?
Speaker 12: Hello, I would like to hire a summer Hello.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: What's going on?
Speaker 15: Well?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been frauded by a couple of different reputable
Speaker 12: plumbing companies. Come in and they're looking for something else,
Speaker 12: doing something else, not what I've asked now. Just yesterday
Speaker 12: I called one of your guys off the referral list
Speaker 12: because I need someone in here.
Speaker 6: Yes, what do you?
Speaker 4: First of all, what is the issue you're calling about, Marlene?
Speaker 4: As far as the plumber, well, traud.
Speaker 12: By, misrepresentation, folks that have come into.
Speaker 4: My home, I understand.
Speaker 5: But before before that, why did you call a plumber
Speaker 5: to begin with?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 12: Oh, well for a couple of different things.
Speaker 5: So we're backup?
Speaker 12: Was the initial a couple of years ago? And then
Speaker 12: now I've discovered that my indoor, my water, baseboard heat HIPing,
Speaker 12: the copper piping has been systematically removed and replaced, and
Speaker 12: my hold outside of my area of my house, the
Speaker 12: inside of it is like torn up. It's it's been
Speaker 12: You can tell that people have been dealing with it,
Speaker 12: messing with it. I wanted to turn on my heat,
Speaker 12: and I'm afraid too because of the baseboard heat hyping beams.
Speaker 4: Here's what I want to ask you, and Marlene. I
Speaker 4: asked this just because I please just go along with me.
Speaker 4: I want to help you. I need to know.
Speaker 5: And this is going to sound like the strangest question
Speaker 5: in the world.
Speaker 4: A few years ago, when this sewer backup happened, was
Speaker 4: anything else going on in your life.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, my husband had just passed away.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So then it was after that you
Speaker 4: found that people were messing with you?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, okay, now okay, Now does.
Speaker 4: That mean when they were messing with your plumbing they
Speaker 4: were somehow getting inside your house or were they doing
Speaker 4: it from outside?
Speaker 15: Both?
Speaker 5: And do you find people lurking around your house.
Speaker 3: Sometimes?
Speaker 16: Yes?
Speaker 4: Do you ever get up in the day, did you
Speaker 4: ever get up the next day or somewhere and people
Speaker 4: had been screwing around in your house?
Speaker 12: Well, I'm not sure, probably, I mean I I was just.
Speaker 5: Saying I'm not trying to lead you on. No, No,
Speaker 5: you don't have to say yes. I'm just trying to
Speaker 5: figure out the extent of this this stuff going on
Speaker 5: with you. Do you have kids?
Speaker 4: I do, okay, And what do they say?
Speaker 12: Well, my youngest moved out some months ago because I
Speaker 12: couldn't leave her here alone. It wasn't safe.
Speaker 5: So why wasn't it safe? Hold on, hold on, why
Speaker 5: wasn't it safe?
Speaker 12: Because folks keep coming on the property and coming into
Speaker 12: the house and I've made peach reports and.
Speaker 5: You say coming into the house. I asked you about that,
Speaker 5: So how do they gain entry.
Speaker 12: Well, that's a good question. The best question is a
Speaker 12: million dollar question. Clearly they've gone to the back door,
Speaker 12: has been like you can see where it's been, you know,
Speaker 12: just chicken in.
Speaker 4: Okay, So you called someone, mare Lene from my referral list,
Speaker 4: to come out to do what to do? What?
Speaker 12: I wanted somebody to look at the pipes my before
Speaker 12: heating pipes that leads to my boiler. Yes, and I
Speaker 12: didn't turn one zone on because the pipes looked like
Speaker 12: they've been messed around with. I didn't know if it
Speaker 12: was safe for me.
Speaker 5: What did they say?
Speaker 4: What? What did they say?
Speaker 12: They said that they only did water heaters.
Speaker 6: Okay, I said, well, and who was this that you called?
Speaker 12: I called euro euro Plumbing.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, uh huh yeah they yeah.
Speaker 12: I don't think I heard them on your show.
Speaker 4: But I don't think they do boilers. They're right about
Speaker 4: the Yeah, I'm sorry they do boilers.
Speaker 12: I didn't ask them to do boilers.
Speaker 11: They do.
Speaker 12: They do total pipe inspection and replacement, according to.
Speaker 4: Their Yeah, yeah, yeah, repiping, it's called repiping.
Speaker 12: Yes, I reping.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So I just wanted somebody. I didn't want someone to
Speaker 12: even look at the boiler. I wanted to see that
Speaker 12: the pipe, the baseboard heat pipes were intact and say
Speaker 12: for me to go ahead.
Speaker 11: And turn on this.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 4: Are you saying that all plumbers that you have called
Speaker 4: not only are the people messing with your home, but
Speaker 4: all plumbers that you called have been ripping you off?
Speaker 12: No, I'm saying that all plumbers that I've called have
Speaker 12: been My calls have been intercepted, and I was hired
Speaker 12: reputable for example.
Speaker 11: Swan Uh.
Speaker 4: Now, what do you mean intercepted? What do you mean
Speaker 4: your calls were intercept were intercepted? Intercepted?
Speaker 9: Well, it feels that way.
Speaker 12: It feels as though they've been intercepted, like yesterday when
Speaker 12: I called, Okay.
Speaker 4: Hold on, Marlene, I have to take a break. Please,
Speaker 4: please don't hang up. I I want to I do
Speaker 4: want to talk to you. I took down copious notes here.
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Speaker 4: eight two five five. Welcome to the show. Let's continue here,
Speaker 4: And Marlene, I, I know you called me because you trust.
Speaker 11: Me, right, I don't trust anybody?
Speaker 6: Do you trust? Do you trust me? I?
Speaker 5: Look, well, well you picked me. In another word, I
Speaker 5: didn't call on you.
Speaker 4: I do have some plumbers that I know you can
Speaker 4: trust that could truly find out if you have any
Speaker 4: throwng words of plumbing. Marlene, I'm going to tell you something,
Speaker 4: and if you don't like me after I tell you,
Speaker 4: I still want you to remember me because I'm going
Speaker 4: to invite you to call me back when you if
Speaker 4: you give it some thought. But honest to God, I'm
Speaker 4: only saying this because of my mom. I swear to God,
Speaker 4: you had an emotional trauma when your husband died, and
Speaker 4: all of these things happened after your husband died. Now, wait,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying you didn't have problems. You could have
Speaker 4: had plumbing problems, you could have had various problems. But
Speaker 4: the fact that you're saying that various people are getting
Speaker 4: into your house and sabotaging plumbing and different things. I
Speaker 4: feel there could be a psychological component to this, and
Speaker 4: I urge you. I truly urge you, because I'm concerned
Speaker 4: for you that you get some help. And I don't
Speaker 4: mean you're crazy. I swear to God, I don't. All
Speaker 4: of us have varying levels. In fact, I don't believe
Speaker 4: there is anything as normal. I think we all have
Speaker 4: varying levels of emotional trauma, distrust, mental illness of some kind,
Speaker 4: and it's only our ability to cope with it that
Speaker 4: helps us survive.
Speaker 13: We all do.
Speaker 4: In fact, when someone thinks they're completely normal, those are
Speaker 4: usually the sickest ones, or they think there's nothing.
Speaker 6: Ever wrong with them.
Speaker 4: I believe that after your husband died, you were expecting
Speaker 4: almost things to happen, and I think you looked a
Speaker 4: little too hard, and maybe you're putting stuff together that
Speaker 4: doesn't belong together.
Speaker 5: Maybe your daughter mentioned this to you.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone else has ever mentioned it
Speaker 4: to you, But I don't want you to think that
Speaker 4: I don't want to help you. I promise you we'll
Speaker 4: look at your plumbing. But I think you might have
Speaker 4: an emotional component to this where you probably have some
Speaker 4: stressors because it's a major deal to lose someone, especially
Speaker 4: were you too close you and your husband.
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what if you think I trust you
Speaker 12: and you want to hear what I'm going to tell you, Uh,
Speaker 12: my husband and I had issues. And that's that's not
Speaker 12: even the reason why I'm calling. The reason why I'm
Speaker 12: calling is because I've been frauded by several different reputable
Speaker 12: companies for plumbing for my vehicles. I've been vandalized, I've
Speaker 12: been robbed, I've.
Speaker 5: Had so Marlene, do you feel not say?
Speaker 12: Oh, can I finish what I'm saying?
Speaker 11: Please? And then I'll have to finished.
Speaker 12: I cannot. You cannot substantiate my mental health, uh and
Speaker 12: do the math with the materials and tools and things
Speaker 12: that have been stolen from my home.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 12: You cannot tell me that you're going to help me
Speaker 12: when you're worried about my plumbing. It's a bigger picture than.
Speaker 6: That, Marlene.
Speaker 4: I believe that you have a lot of things that
Speaker 4: you've collected that have happened to you.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they didn't.
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's out to get you.
Speaker 6: I don't think anyone's targeting you.
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Speaker 3: This is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martinez, Hey.
Speaker 5: Tom Martino here, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Three zero three seven one three talk three oh three
Speaker 4: seven one three eight two five to five. And for
Speaker 4: those streaming, there's John and his pretty face he's up
Speaker 4: and we're talking John Fuller, Fuller Law. He's a personal
Speaker 4: injury attorney in Denver, by the way, and that's Fuller
Speaker 4: Law f.
Speaker 11: U L L E. R.
Speaker 4: If you google him, he's on UH and when he's
Speaker 4: not here is at three oh three five nine seven
Speaker 4: forty five hundred and he he answers a ton of
Speaker 4: questions for my listeners on personal injury. I know a
Speaker 4: few times he's gotten calls on consumer issues because he's
Speaker 4: so synonymous with the show. But in any case, we
Speaker 4: are here talking about everything. You're near and dear to
Speaker 4: your heart and pocabok. We we've had some issues come
Speaker 4: up in the past about emotional trauma when it comes
Speaker 4: to work or when it comes to other things. John,
Speaker 4: Do do emotional injuries ever enter into or emotional trauma
Speaker 4: into personal injury in accidents of any kind?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 5: Give me an example of how that could happen.
Speaker 8: Well, it could be that you you know, we're in
Speaker 8: a very serious accident and a family member passed away
Speaker 8: right next to you, or you know, some people are
Speaker 8: severely traumatized by just the happening of an accident and
Speaker 8: have serious anxiety driving, you know, going forward.
Speaker 6: As an example. So we deal with those issues all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 8: Driving cases sometimes are you know, have a significant emotional
Speaker 8: component that we have to you know, we have to
Speaker 8: deal with. Fortunately, there are professionals that are really good
Speaker 8: at helping people through those issues, but we frequently have
Speaker 8: to use those people.
Speaker 6: Very interesting.
Speaker 4: So emotional trauma is definitely part of the personal injury picture.
Speaker 6: Is what we're talking about basically.
Speaker 4: And what are the more unusual components that would go
Speaker 4: into a personal jury? Are there any unusual ones like
Speaker 4: I don't like? For example, John, years ago, I hesitated
Speaker 4: to bring this up. But years ago, I was in
Speaker 4: an accident. There's someone had no insurance this and I
Speaker 4: decided I was going to handle this. This was many,
Speaker 4: many years ago for a personal injury, and I went
Speaker 4: to my own uninsured motors coverage because the person didn't
Speaker 4: have coverage and they were treating me like the enemy. Now,
Speaker 4: I guess I should have hired an attorney looking back,
Speaker 4: but I thought, you know, my injuries aren't that bad.
Speaker 4: Let me just get a check, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you what I was thinking, and people
Speaker 4: probably do think that. I don't know, But so I
Speaker 4: was talking to them, and it had to have been John,
Speaker 4: honest to god, forty years ago.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I remember them offering me.
Speaker 4: A check right away for ten grand and I thought
Speaker 4: to myself, my goodness, maybe I can get more. And
Speaker 4: but one of the things then they asked for my
Speaker 4: a list of damages. Now, obviously, you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: know how to handle I knew nothing about this. In fact,
Speaker 4: at the time, I wasn't even representing a personal injury attorney.
Speaker 4: So I put down as one of my damages a
Speaker 4: vacation I had to cancel and they upped the offer
Speaker 4: after that, and I was wondering, did I do something
Speaker 4: by Obviously I might have done something by mistake. And
Speaker 4: I'm not recommending people do this on their own, John,
Speaker 4: I missed vacation that was a damage?
Speaker 2: Or what?
Speaker 6: Did I just luck out there? No, it could be
Speaker 6: a very legitimate damage.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, people sometimes have to book some
Speaker 8: of these vacations six months, maybe a year in advance,
Speaker 8: and then you find yourself unable to go on it.
Speaker 6: It's absolutely part of your damages.
Speaker 8: So you know, you can't say vacations you know, in
Speaker 8: the blank or something, but you know, listen, damages are
Speaker 8: unique to the person, and it may be different from
Speaker 8: you than it would be for me, or for my neighbor,
Speaker 8: or for you know, the guy down the road, for
Speaker 8: some guy. It may be I can't you know, I
Speaker 8: don't have the ability to launch my boat anymore, right,
Speaker 8: My My one great joy in life is fishing, and
Speaker 8: I can't you know, I can't get physically into my
Speaker 8: boat anymore to go do that, and I've lost that thing.
Speaker 8: So I worked my entire life. I never thought of
Speaker 8: that was retiring and being able to enjoy this particular activity,
Speaker 8: and I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 5: I never thought of that.
Speaker 4: So I if I love flying, and and I'm not
Speaker 4: a commercial pilot, I don't make a living at all
Speaker 4: at it. But if I lost my ability to fly
Speaker 4: because of an accident, that would be a loss because
Speaker 4: of enjoyment.
Speaker 8: Absolutely it would a significant Okay, all right, being the
Speaker 8: same could be dropped somebody that can't physically ski or
Speaker 8: ride their bicycle or the horse, you know, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: absolutely it could. Just there's a thousand things that could
Speaker 8: fall into that category that it's part of my job
Speaker 8: to help figure out how to quantify and articulate what
Speaker 8: those losses.
Speaker 4: Are very very interesting. John Fuller, b let's talk about
Speaker 4: your camper.
Speaker 6: What's going on?
Speaker 10: B Okay, So I bought a camper, thank you. I
Speaker 10: bought a camper back in February. We started taking it
Speaker 10: out in me and what kind of camper, by the way,
Speaker 10: it's a fifth Will Grand Design Reflection half ten one.
Speaker 6: They're wonderful. They're really nice.
Speaker 10: Yes, And I use the stove for the very first time.
Speaker 10: It has that glass that smoke glass top.
Speaker 5: Well, when was the first time you used it?
Speaker 4: What month it was?
Speaker 2: Me?
Speaker 10: It's for Mother's Day weekend.
Speaker 5: Okay, And that's when you used it? And what happened?
Speaker 10: And I closed this, I cleaned the stove and I
Speaker 10: want to go close the glass and the hinges for
Speaker 10: that bifolding glass.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, got caught.
Speaker 10: And it hit something and it just shattered all over.
Speaker 10: And even to this day it shattered so much that
Speaker 10: even to this day when we moved the camper, like
Speaker 10: when we were taking.
Speaker 4: It out now, it did it shatter because of something
Speaker 4: you did wrong? Would they say or is it a
Speaker 4: warranty issue? That's the part I don't know tell me about.
Speaker 10: They said it's under warranty and The thing is is
Speaker 10: that the hinges got stuck. How they got stuck, I
Speaker 10: have no idea what.
Speaker 5: Okay, it was a glass. It was a glass cover
Speaker 5: that you fold out over the cook top.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yep, I know what you're talking about in
Speaker 4: an RV. So that that got stuck somehow and shattered.
Speaker 6: And okay, so did they fix it?
Speaker 10: No, the hinges you can even till today, those hinges
Speaker 10: are still stuck. The glass is completely gone. We cleaned
Speaker 10: it all up. But my biggest concern is not about
Speaker 10: the glass. I could care less if they put the
Speaker 10: glass back on. My biggest concern is that the glass
Speaker 10: fell into the oven from the openings on the glass top. Yeah,
Speaker 10: because it's not completely stilled. So if you open that
Speaker 10: oven to this day, you'll steal from when we moved
Speaker 10: a camper, I still find glass particles in that oven.
Speaker 10: And I'm afraid to use the oven. And I've asked
Speaker 10: him that.
Speaker 6: Hay, So what do you want?
Speaker 4: You want? You want it replaced?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 10: For safety issues in this John, What do you.
Speaker 6: Think about that?
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't the oven that was malfunctioned, and
Speaker 4: and it was the cook Now is this a one
Speaker 4: unit that the cook top and the oven together. Yes,
Speaker 4: what do you think of the argument that now I
Speaker 4: can't use it because there are shards in there?
Speaker 8: Was that the type of glass man that breaks into
Speaker 8: a million little pieces?
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, tempered glass.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 4: Yep yep, yup.
Speaker 8: So that's the type of glass. It's probably not very
Speaker 8: likely to to cut you if you stepped on it
Speaker 8: or something.
Speaker 4: But what if you ate it?
Speaker 6: What have you ingested? A few parts of it? Would?
Speaker 5: Tiny pieces of it? Is that what you're afraid of?
Speaker 11: Bee?
Speaker 5: That is going to get into your food somehow?
Speaker 10: Yes, that's my Yeah, that's my fear. It's a safety thing.
Speaker 15: I'm like, who wants Did they at least.
Speaker 5: Offer to cleaner? Did they at least offer to.
Speaker 4: Clean for you?
Speaker 10: Be? Yes, they said they'll clean it now the kindness
Speaker 10: of their hearts, they're going to replace the glass, And
Speaker 10: I'm like, the.
Speaker 11: Glass is not my problem.
Speaker 4: An argument, you're not. I don't think you're going to
Speaker 4: win the argument for replacing the oven. I don't think
Speaker 4: you are. It's not a defect. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 4: The defect of the glass of the of the hinge
Speaker 4: caused the glass, then the glass went into.
Speaker 5: The oven, and yeah, I it would be this. I
Speaker 5: just don't think it's go ahead.
Speaker 8: John, Yeah, So if I understand the glasses around the
Speaker 8: outside of the shroud of the oven and when you
Speaker 8: go down the road said shaking and stuff, that allows
Speaker 8: another piece or two to fall into the the main
Speaker 8: part of the oven.
Speaker 6: Is that right?
Speaker 11: Yes? For ye?
Speaker 4: Okay, because it wasn't because because it broken right. Well,
Speaker 4: I want to know something though, when that broke, when
Speaker 4: that glass cover broke and it shattered, are there still
Speaker 4: pieces on top of the near the cook top as well?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, it listens up.
Speaker 4: Have it professionally cleaned or detailed.
Speaker 10: That's what they said that they'll do. And I'm just
Speaker 10: like as long, I'm just.
Speaker 5: Worried about you know, my daughter's car.
Speaker 4: Just my daughter's car just recently, just recently was part
Speaker 4: somewhere a few months ago.
Speaker 6: It's being fixed right now. Let me explain this to you.
Speaker 6: A roofer.
Speaker 4: Dropped something on her windshield, went through her dash, destroyed
Speaker 4: her cluster there and her dash and her the bar
Speaker 4: on her uh that that the on her windshield what
Speaker 4: they call the I don't know, it's port beam anyway,
Speaker 4: all of that. So it's all being repaired and there
Speaker 4: were shards of glass all over and they immediately the
Speaker 4: roofing company had the windshield replaced immediately temporarily and said,
Speaker 4: of course we're going to pay for this. And then
Speaker 4: here's what happened. We hired o C Detailing. It's a
Speaker 4: young man and his brother and some people.
Speaker 6: He knows.
Speaker 4: They have this detailed company. They're not on the referral
Speaker 4: list yet. I gotta get him on there. They went
Speaker 4: and cleaned because of this and got every spec I
Speaker 4: don't know how.
Speaker 5: I mean, these detailers are really good.
Speaker 4: I don't know who your dealer? Who are they proposing?
Speaker 4: Do they say they have a detailer bee, No.
Speaker 10: It's their own service department that's going to clean it.
Speaker 6: Would they pay for a detail of that area?
Speaker 4: Maybe you get a detailed and then they'll pay for
Speaker 4: that one air or a chip in for you. I mean,
Speaker 4: look at you can do whatever you want. You can
Speaker 4: have them do it. Maybe they'll do a great job.
Speaker 4: I think they probably would. Who's the dealer.
Speaker 10: Compass Blue Compass RV in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 4: I don't know them, but the fact that I don't
Speaker 4: know them is probably good. I've never heard of them.
Speaker 4: You may want to give them a chance, see what happens.
Speaker 4: And then once you give them a chance, say look,
Speaker 4: if this doesn't work, you know, then you you talk
Speaker 4: about getting another detailer or something. But I would probably
Speaker 4: I would give them the chance first. Then I think
Speaker 4: you'd even have a better argument. If even they couldn't
Speaker 4: get it out, then then you would have a better
Speaker 4: argument for replacement. But I don't think you're going to
Speaker 4: go right for replacement. John, would you agree on that?
Speaker 6: Totally agree?
Speaker 4: Yeah, give them advant just let us know and then
Speaker 4: we'll we'll help you, Okay. Three oh three seven one
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Speaker 4: we have more coming up, Larry, I'm going to talk
Speaker 4: about that toll road violation a lot of people are
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Speaker 6: I do not believe under.
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Speaker 4: two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino here, Welcome
Speaker 4: to the show. Three O three seven one three talk
Speaker 4: three oh three seven one three eight two five five. Okay,
Speaker 4: So Larry, you want to talk about a toll roll violation.
Speaker 4: There are several of them we can talk about. People
Speaker 4: are complaining about them. I get them every month. What's
Speaker 4: going on? I mean, I don't get the violations, I
Speaker 4: get the inquiries. What's happening, sir.
Speaker 11: Hi com Hey, there's there's no doubt about it. It's
Speaker 11: it's my trunk. There's a picture there on the violation
Speaker 11: that I got, but on the date of the violation,
Speaker 11: because there's a daytime stamp on there that my daughter
Speaker 11: has the car a big boulder. She goes to school
Speaker 11: up there, and so I asked her, I said, well,
Speaker 11: did you cross over to the express?
Speaker 4: Lad?
Speaker 11: She said, I don't know. It could have been one
Speaker 11: of my friends who I've left the car to.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: Where do I stand here?
Speaker 4: Well, it's a violation, I mean, first of all, it's
Speaker 4: an accusation, so you don't have to pay it and
Speaker 4: then you go to court, but you don't have to
Speaker 4: like to stand on these cameras. Look, I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I guess I don't even understand what you're asking. Are
Speaker 4: you saying? Because you were not driving, you should not
Speaker 4: have to pay. Yes, that's true if it's issue right,
Speaker 4: but it is your vehicle. I believe tolls are assessed
Speaker 4: on the vehicle, not on the person. However, you're the
Speaker 4: one who made the violation, John, John Fuller, am I
Speaker 4: right on that. We've had this argument before. When you
Speaker 4: get a violation for the toll, it's not you can't
Speaker 4: violate a car. The car is evidence against the driver. So, Larry,
Speaker 4: you could say this was not me driving, Okay, then
Speaker 4: they're going to ask you who was driving?
Speaker 5: Now does it show the driver in your truck?
Speaker 11: No, it just shows the back end of my truck
Speaker 11: and the license plate number.
Speaker 4: Well, how would you handle this, John?
Speaker 6: There's a procedure.
Speaker 8: Well, I just pay them because I'm normally guilty of
Speaker 8: them when I get those tickets in the mail. But
Speaker 8: there is a procedure on those tickets that tell you
Speaker 8: how you can appeal and you know, challenge the ticket,
Speaker 8: and that is the only way you can do it.
Speaker 8: And so you just have to assess, you know, is
Speaker 8: there any likelihood that that process is going to give
Speaker 8: me the ability to argue it. It's not like the
Speaker 8: red light cameras in Denver that you can, you know,
Speaker 8: ignore they want to conserve you in person.
Speaker 6: It's a different creature.
Speaker 8: And since it's a private road and it's a privately
Speaker 8: maintained section most of the time or at least some
Speaker 8: of the times, there's private end there's public, you know,
Speaker 8: you really don't have a leg to stand on. And
Speaker 8: the only thing that amazes me is how dang good
Speaker 8: they are catching, like fourteen different angles of my vehicle
Speaker 8: crossing the line early or late or something else. And
Speaker 8: so normally it's not just one pictures. It's pretty compelling evidence.
Speaker 11: So I'm not saying that v car crossed over to
Speaker 11: the expressway. I'm saying, why should I pay when, well, no.
Speaker 4: It's issued to the registered owner. You're right, why should
Speaker 4: you pay it? Ask your daughter to pay it? You
Speaker 4: hit it right on the head. You know your daughter
Speaker 4: had the vehicle. Make her pay it.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 4: If you truly are caring about right, hold on, you're
Speaker 4: caring about technicalities and right and wrong. So the technicality
Speaker 4: is your daughter was driving, so tell her to pay you.
Speaker 4: That's the technical right thing to do. Now, if you're saying,
Speaker 4: how do I trick them and make them.
Speaker 5: Go after my daughter.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, if they ask you, if you say to
Speaker 4: them I was not driving. And by the way I'm
Speaker 4: looking at it at some of the past cases, if
Speaker 4: your daughter was the one driving, then you can contest
Speaker 4: it by submitting a transfer of viability. If not, they're
Speaker 4: going to say was the car stolen and was it
Speaker 4: reported stolen? So you're between a rock and a heart place.
Speaker 8: Okay, because they are found that eventually they can cancel
Speaker 8: the renewal of your vehicle.
Speaker 6: You can't reregister your vehicle once it expires. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: hold on by the short hairs there.
Speaker 4: Not if you that's if you ignore it, John, you
Speaker 4: can do a transfer of liability. If you do a
Speaker 4: transfer of liability, you have to transfer to somebody. So
Speaker 4: if you say you don't know who was driving your car,
Speaker 4: then you're going to be taking then okay, then you're
Speaker 4: going to be taken to court and be held responsible
Speaker 4: because if you can't say who is driving the car,
Speaker 4: then you're going to get the ticket or you're going
Speaker 4: to have to report your car.
Speaker 5: Your car would have had to have been reported stolen.
Speaker 5: Do you really want to go through all of that?
Speaker 11: No, I mean, I'm just it's just a simple question.
Speaker 6: I mean, well, the.
Speaker 4: Simple question is that you're responsible if you were driving.
Speaker 4: If you weren't, then you tell them you weren't driving,
Speaker 4: and you must transfer responsibilit to who was driving. If
Speaker 4: you don't know who was driving, it means your car
Speaker 4: was stolen. So you have three options. You take responsibility,
Speaker 4: or you lay it on the person who was driving,
Speaker 4: or you report or you hope that you had reporting
Speaker 4: it stolen, or you just discovered it was stolen.
Speaker 5: That's those are your options. Truly, A right fine, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's that's okay. I mean that that is the answer.
Speaker 5: That is the answer, And a lot of.
Speaker 4: People don't like the answer because here's what they want
Speaker 4: to hear me say, Oh, if you weren't driving, you
Speaker 4: don't have to pay. And by the way, you don't
Speaker 4: have to tell them your daughter was driving either, of
Speaker 4: course you don't. Then you pay the consequences. How far
Speaker 4: will they take it, I don't really know. Maybe they
Speaker 4: drop it, you know, maybe they do I you know,
Speaker 4: I I kind of know where you're going with it.
Speaker 5: And I think most people agree with you saying, Tom,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: If I wasn't driving, I wouldn't pay it.
Speaker 4: So I can't tell you what to do. I'm just
Speaker 4: I'm just basically telling you what I think will happen.
Speaker 4: Three three seven, one three eight two five five. Dave
Speaker 4: you have a comment on mental health because I asked
Speaker 4: even on my YouTube channel, I asked the question in
Speaker 4: the comments, how many people, in the beginning of our
Speaker 4: conversations with people who have had emotional distress know someone
Speaker 4: is suffering from paranoia?
Speaker 6: Because I'm going to tell you something.
Speaker 5: Thirty or more times over the years, Oh, it has
Speaker 5: to be probably more.
Speaker 4: This year alone, I've had six cases where people call
Speaker 4: and someone is either breaking into their home, spying on them,
Speaker 4: rearranging things in their house, stealing stuff, doing something to
Speaker 4: their car, cheating them, listening into their phone calls, or
Speaker 4: some other form of that. And it usually follows you
Speaker 4: hear me on the phone. Many of you who follow
Speaker 4: the show regularly, you hear me on the show. Ask
Speaker 4: them some questions, like at around the time these first
Speaker 4: this first started, were you did anything happen in your
Speaker 4: life that was significant a stressor? And inevitably you'll hear
Speaker 4: a divorce, a crime, a victim of a crime, or
Speaker 4: somebody close to them died, a child or their spouse,
Speaker 4: and on and on and on. So I've connected them
Speaker 4: that these stressors may cause this paranoia.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not a mental health professional, but I've talked to
Speaker 4: enough people over the years. Dave, what about you?
Speaker 15: Hey, Tom, it does seem like it's mental health Day,
Speaker 15: doesn't it?
Speaker 6: Yes, it does.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 15: I an agency that I'm associated with called Revolt Healthcare Alliance.
Speaker 15: We saw a private PPO plan in thirty nited States.
Speaker 15: Unfortunately it's not available in Colorado. However, we have put
Speaker 15: together what is called the Revolt Healthcare Network, and this
Speaker 15: is a subscription platform that can be used anywhere in
Speaker 15: the country and it includes twenty four hours, seven day
Speaker 15: a week virtual primary care and virtual telecounseling. It also
Speaker 15: provides quest Labs at no charge, four thousand generic description
Speaker 15: medications at cost.
Speaker 5: So it's not just mental health, is what you're saying, right.
Speaker 15: But for thirty six dollars a month for an individual,
Speaker 15: they can have qualified accredited counselors, therapists, psychologists at the
Speaker 15: other side of their phone or online today, making.
Speaker 4: This PPO plan in general is not available in Colorado's
Speaker 4: what you're saying.
Speaker 15: Yes, that's the insurance side. The Revolt Health Network is
Speaker 15: not an insurance product. It's a subscription product.
Speaker 4: And that's for how much.
Speaker 15: It starts out at thirty six dollars a month for
Speaker 15: an individual.
Speaker 4: And does that get you more than mental health? Does
Speaker 4: it get you consultations with mds?
Speaker 15: Yes, it does. Virtual primary care So if someone I
Speaker 15: get it, I get it.
Speaker 14: Someone has it.
Speaker 6: If they have a.
Speaker 15: Telecounseling or a teledoc appointment and they like that doctor, yes,
Speaker 15: reschedule with that doctor, which is unusual with teledoct.
Speaker 5: Now I have a teledoct, I have a virtual primary care.
Speaker 4: I have both. But the virtual primary care is three
Speaker 4: hundred a year and it allows me to get an
Speaker 4: appointment anytime and well not anytime. I have to schedule it.
Speaker 4: And I can do a zoom or I can go
Speaker 4: into the clinic. So it provides both. But this can
Speaker 4: this virtual primary care that you represent, Can that take
Speaker 4: the place for insurance reasons for a primary care doc?
Speaker 11: Sure?
Speaker 15: Yeah, anybody can use it, anybody that's on even people
Speaker 15: on Medicare. But it's an affordable way. I get it
Speaker 15: being able to take care of some healthcare issues.
Speaker 4: And it is now if someone though, if someone has
Speaker 4: this program, this subscription, and they need something more than
Speaker 4: they can offer. Do they refer you to people that
Speaker 4: you're that your health insurance will now cover or not?
Speaker 15: They they may, yes, they could absolutely.
Speaker 5: What's the name of it?
Speaker 15: This is called Revolt Healthcare Network.
Speaker 5: Are you saying Revolt as in revolution right?
Speaker 15: Exactly?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a weird name.
Speaker 11: Well, we're we kind of are changing the way that.
Speaker 15: You know, the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry. Uh, you know,
Speaker 15: uh government, the healthcare industry is so convoluted and and
Speaker 15: it's just horrible. So I don't want to go farther
Speaker 15: into that. But with this program, this subscription program, you
Speaker 15: have access to over four thousand generic prescriptions.
Speaker 4: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 6: I I love I love what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Hey, Dave, I'm gonna I gotta, I gotta cut the call.
Speaker 4: I need to do this. Uh Kaschina. Give them my
Speaker 4: email address. Please give him my email address. I want
Speaker 4: him to send me information. I'm Tom Martinez. We have
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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show, back to the phones to uh
Speaker 4: take your problems, questions and complaints. Oh the guy that
Speaker 4: one guy had a question he dropped off against. Okay,
Speaker 4: in any case, welcome and let's talk.
Speaker 11: Drew.
Speaker 5: I emailed you a revision of your go fundme.
Speaker 4: Description to help you get a better description up there
Speaker 4: for your go fund me page because you're facing financial
Speaker 4: devastation in a month or less.
Speaker 5: Did you get it?
Speaker 4: Drew?
Speaker 18: I haven't been able to get to the library, but
Speaker 18: I will go and check and I want to say tuesday.
Speaker 5: Wait, wait, wait, so you have to go to the
Speaker 5: library to check your email.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't have a computer.
Speaker 18: I don't have a computer's cell phone texting device what are.
Speaker 4: You calling on right now?
Speaker 18: It's my home phone?
Speaker 4: Your home is that? Is that New York Bell? Or
Speaker 4: where is it New Jersey Bell?
Speaker 11: What is it?
Speaker 18: I pay Verizon?
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: So you don't have a cell phone, you don't have email.
Speaker 4: I mean you have nothing.
Speaker 18: That's correct. But I want to say this. Your idea
Speaker 18: is good. It's a very good idea. Thank you for
Speaker 18: sending us there. However, I'd like to suggest that we
Speaker 18: wait on that for a couple of weeks and do
Speaker 18: what mark into a mark to leave is there? I
Speaker 18: think if I don't know how to do this, but
Speaker 18: if you could possibly send my GoFundMe to Elon Musk
Speaker 18: and Fox News, maybe they might want to put on
Speaker 18: somebody who can actually state how Kamala Harris is harming
Speaker 18: me and letting all these fifteen millions drew.
Speaker 4: They're not going to do that because your problems aren't
Speaker 4: because of your problems do not stem from illegal aliens
Speaker 4: okay or illegal whatever, undocumented people. It doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Your gofund me is disingenuous. Kamala Harris has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with your financial plight right now?
Speaker 18: Well, I disagree, And it was on Fox Drew.
Speaker 5: Drew, here's what I'm saying. Tell me this.
Speaker 4: Tell me how their policy on illegal immigration has affected
Speaker 4: you directly and why why you are facing your financial
Speaker 4: devastation right now?
Speaker 5: Tell me.
Speaker 4: I want to know why a.
Speaker 18: Black man was on Fox saying this. I forgot his name.
Speaker 18: Is a very good speaker, sports guy, and he says
Speaker 18: they're wondering why the black brothers are leaving Kamala, she's
Speaker 18: giving free rent to all these illegals.
Speaker 5: Drew, I'm going to ask you a question.
Speaker 4: See, I don't let I don't let people just just
Speaker 4: go out the mouth and pontificate without facts. Here's what
Speaker 4: I want to know. You have gone through your life savings.
Speaker 4: You no longer can make a living. You didn't prepare
Speaker 4: for your older age. You're seventy seven years old, and
Speaker 4: you cannot stay where you are because the cost of
Speaker 4: living is so high in New Jersey. Now here's what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. You get a pension and you get social Security. Right, Okay,
Speaker 4: you have those two things, but they're not enough to
Speaker 4: sustain you. You were not able to work or make
Speaker 4: a living because you say you were injured in a
Speaker 4: personal injury accident. You walked into the you walked underneath
Speaker 4: the tailgate that came down on you from a car.
Speaker 4: All I want to know is how did Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: or Joe Biden contribute to that?
Speaker 12: For you?
Speaker 18: I think it's the constitution, says Okay Drew.
Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you again, not about the constitution.
Speaker 4: How did your financial plight get caused by the current administration?
Speaker 4: And if there was not one illegal immigrant in the country.
Speaker 2: You still would not have qualified for public assistance.
Speaker 18: If there was not one illegal alien, the rents would
Speaker 18: be much lower because these millions of illegal aliens are
Speaker 18: getting subsidized.
Speaker 5: By Okay Drew, guess what, Drew?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 4: You need to find someone who agrees with you and
Speaker 4: will carry your flag. I don't care what Mark suggested.
Speaker 4: You're doing yourself a disservice by having the go fund
Speaker 4: me the way it is now, and the proof is
Speaker 4: in the pudding. If it appealed to people, Guess what
Speaker 4: would have happened. You would have gotten people to contribute
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 6: You have gotten one.
Speaker 18: Listener, Tom is, if you're right, can you please just
Speaker 18: send it to one?
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not going to you send it to them.
Speaker 4: Have your librarian friends. No, I'm not going to carry
Speaker 4: your water. I'm not going to send I'm not going
Speaker 4: to send your GoFundMe link to Fox News and Elon
Speaker 4: Musk and spoil my credibility and say here, look at this.
Speaker 4: This poor guy is suffering because of illegal immigration. It's
Speaker 4: not true. You're trying to make a connection just to
Speaker 4: try to get the political fervor you need for people
Speaker 4: to send you money, and you're not gonna do it
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Speaker 4: right now from Melissa. Melissa has an oil change situation. Melissa,
Speaker 4: what's going on?
Speaker 16: By the thank you?
Speaker 19: Yeah, I had an oil change performed. This was not
Speaker 19: my regular mechanic, but they happily did it.
Speaker 13: And then driving what did you have the oil change on?
Speaker 4: Let me see, it was the two thousand and five Toyota, yes, correct,
Speaker 4: And how many miles on.
Speaker 19: That at the time that we went in there was
Speaker 19: one hundred and ninety seven.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, one hundred and ninety seven.
Speaker 5: Whoo yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 19: It's a wonderful car. Anyway, they did not put the
Speaker 19: right oil filter in and so I of course had
Speaker 19: oil all over and that was in the middle of
Speaker 19: driving and anyway, so they're not I know, God, and
Speaker 19: the receipt.
Speaker 4: What was the result of the wrong oil filter? Did
Speaker 4: your engine sees.
Speaker 19: Well, I'm not sure if i'd call it that, but
Speaker 19: I mean I had to get a tow truck in
Speaker 19: the coffe No, no, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, what's wrong with it right now?
Speaker 4: What's wrong with it right now?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 19: I had another and try to help fix it a
Speaker 19: little bit, and he put in a correct oil filter.
Speaker 19: And so now we're just kind of on pins and needles,
Speaker 19: because what does it run?
Speaker 5: Does it run?
Speaker 19: It ran for about one hundred feet then and a
Speaker 19: check engine light came on and I was larry.
Speaker 10: To drive it further.
Speaker 9: This is after it was fixed, well fixed as in
Speaker 9: the oil part was Melissa.
Speaker 4: Here's what I'm asking When you drove away, who did
Speaker 4: the oil change where they put the wrong filter on?
Speaker 19: You want the name of the company, Yeah, Littleton Auto Repair.
Speaker 4: Okay, So so when you drove away from that place
Speaker 4: it what were the symptoms when you drove away?
Speaker 19: No, it was fine for a while.
Speaker 11: It was fine for how long?
Speaker 9: For how eight weeks?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 19: Okay, I drive?
Speaker 4: Okay? Eight weeks later? What happened eight weeks later? Just
Speaker 4: tell me what happened eight weeks later?
Speaker 19: All power was gone, couldn't drive. It didn't have power
Speaker 19: steering to make the corner off of Wadsworth.
Speaker 5: Wait wait, wait, you didn't have power steering, but the
Speaker 5: engine was running?
Speaker 19: No, no, nothing, nothing, Okay, So you were.
Speaker 4: Driving along and it stopped eight weeks later, correct, Okay,
Speaker 4: And that's when you called this other place.
Speaker 6: Who'd you call to fix it?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 19: The other the other mechanic that came in was a friend,
Speaker 19: thirty year mechanic for a utility company in town.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: Took it to a friend mechanic, right, and then and
Speaker 5: then he fixed it.
Speaker 19: Well, he changed the one. He just took a look
Speaker 19: at the oil filter and all that kind of did.
Speaker 6: It once over?
Speaker 5: Did he changed the oil filter?
Speaker 19: Correct?
Speaker 4: Yes, he did, Okay, put the correct oil filter on.
Speaker 4: Then how long did it run after that?
Speaker 11: It hasn't.
Speaker 5: That's when it's it pooped out.
Speaker 19: Well, No, it pooped out Friday night when every light
Speaker 19: on the dashboard lit.
Speaker 10: Up and I had nothing.
Speaker 6: I'm confused.
Speaker 4: Your friend the mechanic put the right oil filter on,
Speaker 4: and you said it did not run, but it did
Speaker 4: run for a while.
Speaker 19: Well, no, because I had it towed back home and
Speaker 19: he just did what he could do with.
Speaker 11: The I get it.
Speaker 4: When did it fail after the correct oil filter the
Speaker 4: first time you tried to drive it?
Speaker 19: Yeah, the check engine light came in.
Speaker 4: The very first time, so it never ran again. Is
Speaker 4: what we're saying correct, Okay, I.
Speaker 19: Mean it might have. It's just that I was afraid
Speaker 19: to drive it with the check engine light on since
Speaker 19: I got.
Speaker 4: Right now, if you okay, if you tried to drive
Speaker 4: it with the check engine light, would it drive?
Speaker 19: I don't know, okay, Okay, I turned right around.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 5: So let's just go to the worst case scenario.
Speaker 4: Okay, And again, I don't want you to hate me,
Speaker 4: but you're going to I know, no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 4: going to tell you the legal what will happen. John
Speaker 4: Fuller is an attorney. He's I should bring him up
Speaker 4: right now. By the way, John Fuller, Fuller Law. He
Speaker 4: is our attorney today for personal injury and other things.
Speaker 4: Is he there right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm going to bring him up. I'm going
Speaker 4: to bring you up, John, And you know what I'm
Speaker 4: going to say. So, she's got a two thousand and five.
Speaker 4: So for all practical purposes, now is when the time
Speaker 4: cars come out. So it's a twenty year old car,
Speaker 4: and it's a twenty year old car with almost two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand miles. Let's go right to the worst case
Speaker 4: scenario and say they ruined her car.
Speaker 5: They ruined it. They ruined the engine. First of all,
Speaker 5: what would they owe her?
Speaker 4: John, give her the legal answer that the legal truth,
Speaker 4: give her the truth.
Speaker 8: The cost of a twenty year old, two hundred thousand
Speaker 8: mile engine. Yes, right, you're only entitled to recover what
Speaker 8: you lost. You're not entitled to a brand new vehicle.
Speaker 8: And I don't get the central or a new engine.
Speaker 5: That's the problem.
Speaker 8: And just to make the point that you couldn't, you couldn't,
Speaker 8: You couldn't reasonably expect that if what you had got destroyed,
Speaker 8: that the only measure that would be appropriate would be
Speaker 8: a brand new, you know, not twenty year old, not
Speaker 8: two hundred thousand mile engine.
Speaker 4: So and we're not we're not claiming, but we're not
Speaker 4: claiming that you're trying to get a new car. So
Speaker 4: we're not even claiming that you're not. You don't sound
Speaker 4: it reasonable all. But here's what I want to lay
Speaker 4: out to you, the scenario that John did not mention.
Speaker 4: Let's say they found a one hundred and ninety seven
Speaker 4: thousand mile engine and they're willing to replace it, but
Speaker 4: it's going to cost them, with labor and stuff, five grand.
Speaker 4: They don't have to do it if the truck is
Speaker 4: not worth five grand or the selar, I'm sorry, they
Speaker 4: only have to give you what it is worth. They
Speaker 4: either have to fix it or give you the value
Speaker 4: of it. They don't have to go over the value
Speaker 4: of it. So what do you want? Let's assume and
Speaker 4: I would assume that that engine's toast. I would assume it.
Speaker 6: What do you want?
Speaker 9: Oh, you know, I know everybody makes mistakes.
Speaker 15: I get that.
Speaker 19: But you know I have never had trouble.
Speaker 10: With this car.
Speaker 6: I understand.
Speaker 5: No, No, I get that.
Speaker 4: What do you want? I'm really asking. I'm not asking
Speaker 4: for a correct answer. I'm asking for your answer.
Speaker 6: What would you do?
Speaker 19: What would I guess?
Speaker 4: Just what?
Speaker 9: Would ever make it run again?
Speaker 4: No, but they're not going to if it's worth if
Speaker 4: making it run again is going to cost too much.
Speaker 4: What do you want? Let's say, I mean, what do
Speaker 4: you want?
Speaker 19: Is there a scenario where they would just say, okay,
Speaker 19: we'll give you fifteen hundred dollars worth of I don't
Speaker 19: know engineers.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, of course there is there's a
Speaker 4: scenari where they owe you one of the value of
Speaker 4: that vehicle. I'm not denying that. I just didn't want
Speaker 4: to have you expecting them to pay whatever it takes.
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to discern or find out how much
Speaker 4: that car would be worth on the open market. And
Speaker 4: and cars dot Com is one of the best sources
Speaker 4: in the world. And Deputy D is looking it up
Speaker 4: right now, and so let's figure it out. Let's what
Speaker 4: what you Deputy D is going to let us know
Speaker 4: I'm putting on. I'm putting them up. Okay, do you
Speaker 4: do you have an idea yet?
Speaker 18: No?
Speaker 7: And I get I'm on cars dot com. There's just
Speaker 7: a lot of drop down man use for me to work.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's really easy.
Speaker 4: And then what we're gonna do is figure out and
Speaker 4: then you can either ask them or sue them in
Speaker 4: small claims court. Now, John, what arguments would they have
Speaker 4: in defense?
Speaker 8: Well, just said, you know, it's the same, it's the
Speaker 8: same basic thing, Tom. They're they're going to suggest that,
Speaker 8: you know, she's trying to get better meant.
Speaker 4: And but not if she just wants the value of
Speaker 4: the car.
Speaker 6: Well, they're going to suggest that they didn't destroy the
Speaker 6: whole car.
Speaker 4: They just you know, no, no, I understand that. But
Speaker 4: if it's going to cost more than it's worth to fix.
Speaker 4: I mean, we can go in that circular argument all
Speaker 4: day long. But yeah, I mean it's either the value
Speaker 4: of the car the value of what they broke, right,
Speaker 4: So I mean, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Don't even see a Selearra. What is the Selera? What
Speaker 6: is it?
Speaker 7: It's actually called a Camriselera in cars dot com. And
Speaker 7: there's nothing with that many miles, but around one hundred thousand,
Speaker 7: one hundred twenty thousand. The asking prices are I can
Speaker 7: see from six thousand from that year, Yeah, two thousand.
Speaker 4: And five, okay, so if it has half the miles
Speaker 4: it would be it would be way down.
Speaker 5: So so it's about six grand for what.
Speaker 6: So here's here's one.
Speaker 7: Here's a two thousand and five Camerasolera with only ninety
Speaker 7: five thousand on it, and that's ninety five hundred dollars.
Speaker 6: She would never get that now.
Speaker 7: And there's seven with one hundred and forty seven thousand,
Speaker 7: and that's only sixty eight hundred. And that's a convertible,
Speaker 7: by the way, So it's probably about a I have
Speaker 7: a question from Melissa.
Speaker 5: Five grand. I'm thinking four to five, yeah, five, maybe
Speaker 5: go ahead with question.
Speaker 20: Did you you commented that your friend, replace the correct
Speaker 20: oil filter and filled up the engine with oil.
Speaker 4: Does it this full of oil?
Speaker 19: Now it holds oil?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 20: Well, then I don't think you have nothing to lose.
Speaker 20: Start to see see if it's starting.
Speaker 4: You have nothing to lose because you're not going to
Speaker 4: get more because you didn't drive it.
Speaker 17: You're under the assumption the engine's bad.
Speaker 11: Let's prove it.
Speaker 17: Start, Yeah, Start and run.
Speaker 19: It right so I can just run around the neighborhood
Speaker 19: or something so I'm not stranded out somewhere.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say that it's going to be
Speaker 4: worth about four grand. It's going to be worth about
Speaker 4: four grand.
Speaker 13: Okay.
Speaker 4: Here's here's an old five selara is yours a V
Speaker 4: six it is? Here's one with one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 4: It's a fair deal fifty seven hundred. So I would
Speaker 4: say maybe five to six grand. Now, what you can
Speaker 4: do is you can go and find as many comps
Speaker 4: as possible and sue them if you think. But I
Speaker 4: want to give this to somebody to negotiate for you.
Speaker 4: But first, the very first thing you.
Speaker 5: Do is make sure it's bad, right, Okay, you need
Speaker 5: to do that first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way you do that is drive it
Speaker 4: and then take it over to Kevincoulkin at sheridanautotech dot
Speaker 4: com and have him just run a real fast check
Speaker 4: with the computer to see the compression and if it
Speaker 4: still runs, then leave it alone.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean, I don't think I would do anything.
Speaker 4: If not, then you sue them for the value of
Speaker 4: the car, or you call us and we'll negotiate for you.
Speaker 5: But you call us back, we'll assign this to someone.
Speaker 5: But first drive it.
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, I will.
Speaker 5: If it's going to fail, it's going to fail. I mean,
Speaker 5: waiting for it to fail won't help you.
Speaker 4: You need to find out as quickly as possible to
Speaker 4: make the connection to the oil change.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 19: Well, and is this detail relevant? The model number of
Speaker 19: the oil filter they have on my receipt is completely
Speaker 19: different than what was in the car.
Speaker 6: What is the filter from the same manufacturer.
Speaker 5: I don't get the point you're trying to make. What's
Speaker 5: the point you're making?
Speaker 19: Well, the model number of the filter they put on
Speaker 19: my receipt is probably the right model number that should
Speaker 19: be in the car.
Speaker 5: But it was, Well, did your mechanic retain the one
Speaker 5: they put on there?
Speaker 6: Yes. Well, good, that's your evidence.
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I see what you're saying. They probably put the wrong
Speaker 4: one on but wrote the right one down.
Speaker 6: Core.
Speaker 5: Did he say the right one was written down?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 19: Well I'm assuming that's the right one.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Well Melissa, you just keep that old one, Okay,
Speaker 4: you just keep it. And by the way, did he
Speaker 4: say the oil was all out of it? How much
Speaker 4: oil was still left in it? None? Oh crap, those
Speaker 4: cars will run a few minutes without oil. Listen, you
Speaker 4: may have stopped quick enough.
Speaker 5: Put it.
Speaker 4: Do what Bo said, put some oil in it and
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Speaker 4: five five Deputy BO, you have a follow up, sir, let's.
Speaker 20: Go to This is Pama that called in uh Monday,
Speaker 20: last Monday and twelve o'clock hour.
Speaker 17: She was a long she's a long term tenant at
Speaker 17: the RT she was renting.
Speaker 4: Uh, let's see the uh.
Speaker 5: She called it a tree apartment.
Speaker 4: It's a tree yes, atri I or htri something, and
Speaker 4: it was three years she's been renting. And she says
Speaker 4: Venezuelans live there and are partying all night. And she
Speaker 4: wanted another Section eight apartment at Mosaic. They were denied
Speaker 4: due to a felony.
Speaker 20: Right. I didn't get into those details with her, but
Speaker 20: she did tender over a thirty day notice of a cake,
Speaker 20: and when she was looking into the mosaic, I guess
Speaker 20: the situation over there was worse. So she wanted to
Speaker 20: stay and resin. She wanted to stay in the ARTEA apartments,
Speaker 20: so they would not let her do it. But we
Speaker 20: made five voicemail calls and two emails over there, and
Speaker 20: I followed up with her over the weekend and they
Speaker 20: decided to ressend the thirty day notice.
Speaker 17: With her because they were tired of the troubleshooter call
Speaker 17: a show leaving.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what else they should be tired
Speaker 4: of that they're treating the Venezuelans better than they are her.
Speaker 4: Now again, I'm not hate Venezuelans. I help a lot
Speaker 4: of Venezuelans families and I love the ones i'm helping.
Speaker 4: There are good and bad in every crowd. This one
Speaker 4: is and the ones I'm helping. We're are legally here
Speaker 4: on asylum right now. But I want to say this,
Speaker 4: This thing about Venezuelan's and apartment houses is true, and
Speaker 4: that's why I put up that graphic about YouTube. I
Speaker 4: want to know what my morons think about that graphic
Speaker 4: I made, denying news. Get it denying news actually, I
Speaker 4: put denying views. If it's against the narrative, we'll deny
Speaker 4: it every time. Absolutely. So it's like they spend more
Speaker 4: of their time saying what's not true according to them
Speaker 4: than what is the news. They we see nothing, we
Speaker 4: hear nothing, we say nothing.
Speaker 5: So I'm really happy about that.
Speaker 17: I am for her too, because she did not she
Speaker 17: had a change her heart and did not want to move.
Speaker 20: I made it. The mosaic has more problems than the art.
Speaker 20: The RT apartments, I don't know, well, it's got reaching.
Speaker 5: A lot of them are having problems.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, these decent Venezuelan families who have legal asylum
Speaker 4: and are working and all that, they're having trouble now
Speaker 4: because they're looking at all of them a scan saying listen,
Speaker 4: we don't want this problem, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's really difficult right now. Any other follow ups.
Speaker 20: BO Champion Windows still working on that, and Mike Marony Chevrolet.
Speaker 17: So I don't have any.
Speaker 4: Champion Windows, the worst company you could ever deal with
Speaker 4: right now when it comes to windows, doors and sidings.
Speaker 6: Please remember that.
Speaker 4: Three oh three seven to one three talk seven one
Speaker 4: three A two five to five. Deputy d let me
Speaker 4: go to you you got what going on now? You
Speaker 4: have a follow up as well, sir.
Speaker 7: Yes, you may recall a few days ago we got
Speaker 7: a call from Jessica who had her Alexis service that
Speaker 7: Stevenson and Golden and sometime later the wheel fell off
Speaker 7: and caused a tremendous amount of damage. So a couple
Speaker 7: of really nice positive developments over the weekend and another
Speaker 7: one today. So Jessica contacted me on Saturday and said
Speaker 7: that Stevenson Lexis is now waiting to get a repair
Speaker 7: wet from their body shop for that car and they'll
Speaker 7: be in touch with her. And today I got an
Speaker 7: email from Stevenson and this gentleman said that we're currently
Speaker 7: reviewing the circumstances and expect to address the resolution with
Speaker 7: the guests soon. In the meantime, we've provided the customer
Speaker 7: with a loaner vehicle. So things are happening and very cool.
Speaker 6: That deserves Where's my dinger?
Speaker 5: Sometimes I can't find my dinger which is there?
Speaker 7: And Tom, this is in very star contrast to what
Speaker 7: I've been dealing with with another outfit called Drive and Motion,
Speaker 7: you may recalled. This is a Greeley dealership and they
Speaker 7: also have a store and Thwarton and they sold Jeannette
Speaker 7: a jeep that would not pass the mission.
Speaker 5: That's right, And they told her it wouldn't and they
Speaker 5: sold it to her anyway, and then.
Speaker 4: Said you need to and she's looking at like what
Speaker 4: five grand to make it pass the missions?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, unfortunately, what I think happened is they
Speaker 7: sent her in a decoy. They said that the check
Speaker 7: engine light is on because the ABS system.
Speaker 6: Needs to be repaired, which is stupid.
Speaker 7: She just repaired it at a cost of fifteen hundred dollars,
Speaker 7: but that didn't take care of the actual problem with
Speaker 7: passing the emissions test. And unfortunately, now she's passed that
Speaker 7: either three or five day period to rescind the deal.
Speaker 7: So nobody a Drive in Motion would return my calls
Speaker 7: or emails.
Speaker 6: They're just completely ignoring us.
Speaker 4: Well, let's put the numb let's put their number out. Well,
Speaker 4: drive drive in Motion sold a car that doesn't pass emissions.
Speaker 4: Let them know what you think people, when my Martino
Speaker 4: Marauders do that.
Speaker 5: It works well.
Speaker 7: The Greeley store where she bought this jeep is area
Speaker 7: code nine seven zero seven nine five zero five zero zero.
Speaker 7: That's nine seven zero seven nine five zero five zero zero.
Speaker 4: And what we tell them is very simple. We say, look,
Speaker 4: we heard about you on the Martino Show. You're selling
Speaker 4: cars illegally. We're gonna let everyone know because they are.
Speaker 4: If you sell a car into an emissions area that
Speaker 4: doesn't pass, you got a problem. Three O three seven
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Speaker 4: I want to go right to the phones because we
Speaker 4: have our expert on Brad O'Brien O'Brien Legal Services. He
Speaker 4: looked at a lease for us Lucas. Let me sum
Speaker 4: this up really quickly. Your lease was technically up when
Speaker 4: the end of when.
Speaker 15: Lucas, Yeah, the original lease of August first, and then
Speaker 15: we did a month to month.
Speaker 4: Yes, in fact, the lease called from month to month
Speaker 4: after the lease was up, right.
Speaker 14: That's my understanding.
Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly what it says. So it was up
Speaker 4: in August when in August? Was it up the end of.
Speaker 14: August August versus the original lease?
Speaker 5: And then well, actually then it was then it was
Speaker 5: actually September, right, right?
Speaker 11: Yeah, we we ended up doing September first.
Speaker 6: Okay, let's do this again.
Speaker 5: The lease was up, not when you left. When was
Speaker 5: the lease the written lease up?
Speaker 4: When was it up.
Speaker 15: August first?
Speaker 11: Is my recollection?
Speaker 6: Okay? Okay, August?
Speaker 4: So it was up at the end of July, is
Speaker 4: that right? It doesn't matter. The lease was up, it
Speaker 4: reverted month to month. After it reverted month to month.
Speaker 4: You gave them notice you were gonna leave when.
Speaker 5: On September first, Okay, and you left September two, is
Speaker 5: that right?
Speaker 15: That's correct.
Speaker 5: They charged you for that extra day, right.
Speaker 9: Great, they charged us for September first, and that's it.
Speaker 11: We were gone on September one.
Speaker 4: Okay, Now here's the problem. They also charged you an
Speaker 4: early termination of.
Speaker 6: How much.
Speaker 15: About five thousand dollars And.
Speaker 4: We can't figure out why. If your lease was up
Speaker 4: in August or at the end of July, and you
Speaker 4: stayed the month of August under the month to month provision,
Speaker 4: why would they charge you early termination for leaving at
Speaker 4: the end of August.
Speaker 5: We have no idea.
Speaker 4: Do you have any idea Brad O'Brien after reading that
Speaker 4: lease why he would be charged five grand?
Speaker 14: Well, this lease was a year long lease that ran
Speaker 14: through July one this.
Speaker 4: Year of July one. Okay, I'm sorry it ran through
Speaker 4: July one, okay, but it provides.
Speaker 14: It it automatically goes month month to month.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 15: The problem with this lease.
Speaker 14: Though, is that there's a fill in the blank where
Speaker 14: it says you have to give sixty days notice notice
Speaker 14: a notice to VAK so before you move out. If
Speaker 14: we actually move out, you have to give a sixty
Speaker 14: day notice.
Speaker 21: That doesn't work very well in a month to month
Speaker 21: situation because of your month to month you still have
Speaker 21: to give a sixty day notice, okay, So that that
Speaker 21: could be the problem where he gave a thirty two
Speaker 21: day notice, where the lease says sixty days is acquired.
Speaker 4: Okay, so therefore it's possible that they're charging him for
Speaker 4: an extra month.
Speaker 5: Maybe why would he be charged five grand?
Speaker 14: Well, there is a liquidated damage's provision in this lease
Speaker 14: that does have an exact amount that's over five thousand
Speaker 14: if you left early during the first year and sixteen.
Speaker 14: But that's not even the case. He didn't leave early
Speaker 14: during the first twelve.
Speaker 5: Months, but he left early afterwards.
Speaker 15: Technically, well, he gave the least thirty days notice.
Speaker 14: And what we haven't mentioned yet is that in May
Speaker 14: of this year, the landlord representative told him by email
Speaker 14: that a thirty day notice will be good enough, even
Speaker 14: though the lease says sixty days notice is required.
Speaker 11: So I think that is a good argument for a.
Speaker 14: Waiver of the landlord waves the sixty day requirement and
Speaker 14: turned it into a thirty day and so he gets
Speaker 14: thirty two two days notice.
Speaker 4: So he should have been he should have been good
Speaker 4: and they should not have charged that. Do you think
Speaker 4: he can go to small claims court and make that
Speaker 4: argument for the five grand?
Speaker 14: Yeah, but hopefully he doesn't have to. Hopefully a call
Speaker 14: to the landlord just to talks in basic sense and
Speaker 14: reading their own lease will and their emails will convince
Speaker 14: them to.
Speaker 4: Or maybe a letter from even a letter from you, seriously,
Speaker 4: I mean sometimes it takes that, Yep, Lucas, I would
Speaker 4: do that. I would first of all, let one of
Speaker 4: our deputies take it and call Okay.
Speaker 5: And explain this.
Speaker 4: The problem is who understands it enough to take it.
Speaker 4: You want to Deputy Deal. Deputy Deal take it because
Speaker 4: he's been following it, Kachina. If you can send him
Speaker 4: the lease, and then what will happen is if they
Speaker 4: don't just voluntarily take that off, then well then you
Speaker 4: should get Brad O'Brien to write them a letter. He
Speaker 4: can put it very succinctly that you were given permission
Speaker 4: for thirty days and that's what you gave. Okay, Lucas,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it to Deputy D. Kachina. Send this
Speaker 4: over to Deputy D and Brad O'Brien. By the way,
Speaker 4: is seven to zero three seven zero seventy three eighty eight.
Speaker 5: Brad.
Speaker 4: We certainly appreciate your your your expertise. Of course, olslaw
Speaker 4: dot com. Josh, you have a question, Go ahead, Josh,
Speaker 4: what's going on?
Speaker 15: Hey, I was just.
Speaker 14: Wondering if you knew if you could use qualified money
Speaker 14: for ves Sarah turnkey.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's a very interesting question. Vestera Turnkey is a.
Speaker 11: What it is.
Speaker 4: It's a rental program where you become a landlord through
Speaker 4: Vesteria and they take care of.
Speaker 6: All of it.
Speaker 4: And I kind of like the program, I really do.
Speaker 4: You cannot use qualified money, first of all, in any
Speaker 4: investment unless both the investment is approved and the and
Speaker 4: you have a independent trustee. So you have to have
Speaker 4: a trustee that allows self directed IRA investments. Okay, So
Speaker 4: if you have it in a regular traditional qualified plan,
Speaker 4: you'd have to move it to an IRA with a
Speaker 4: trustee that allows you to self direct.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's the first step. And the one I like,
Speaker 5: I love is Premiere.
Speaker 4: We we at Wave eight at my financial company, we
Speaker 4: use we use Premier Specific Pacific Premier Trust, Pacific Premier
Speaker 4: Trust because they allow self directed If people, for example,
Speaker 4: want to investor earn a private fund and all that
Speaker 4: with qualified money, we go through Pacific Premier Trust. So
Speaker 4: you can do that. Now, the next question, you have
Speaker 4: to get the investment approved, which means it has to
Speaker 4: be a arms length with Vestera Turnkey, it would not
Speaker 4: be arm's length because you own the property directly. Okay.
Speaker 4: So in order for it to be arm's length, it
Speaker 4: would have to be an independent company that is buying
Speaker 4: this up and selling you a portion of it. It
Speaker 4: would have to be like an LLC or an investment
Speaker 4: company that would allow you to buy into that. So
Speaker 4: you'd have to set that up on your own. But
Speaker 4: you can't technically set it up on your own because
Speaker 4: then you would own the LLC. So you have to
Speaker 4: have an intermediary kind of arms length transaction. Does that
Speaker 4: make sense, Josh?
Speaker 11: It does.
Speaker 4: For example, I don't remember what the minimum investment is,
Speaker 4: but I've been talking to Barry at length, and I'll
Speaker 4: tell you why. I think Barry's minimum investment is sixty
Speaker 4: five grand or something.
Speaker 5: Okay, I think did you ask him? By the way,
Speaker 5: do you know what the minimum is? I hate quote.
Speaker 15: I think per minimum says the average is between like
Speaker 15: seventy and eighty.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you something here that I'm working
Speaker 4: with Barry on and I'm not trying to take bit.
Speaker 5: I think Barry, if you can go directly to barry.
Speaker 4: You do that, it's wonderful. But if you want to
Speaker 4: do qualified money, or you want to do other money
Speaker 4: or less money than that, my company, my financial advisement
Speaker 4: company now Wave eight, is going to be setting up
Speaker 4: independent LLCs to buy into Vestera Turnkey for part of
Speaker 4: their portfolio. So therefore you can buy smaller chunks and
Speaker 4: you can do it with qualified money through our company.
Speaker 4: We were setting up one at a time, so each
Speaker 4: each LLC fund will be for one chunk of Vestera
Speaker 4: Turnkeys properties. So we will own it along with our
Speaker 4: investors who will who want, who decide to be part
Speaker 4: of it, and for that you can use it. But
Speaker 4: if you can go directly, go directly. However, you can't
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