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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kyle Foffy from Cedar Park, Texas, and I golf

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<v Speaker 2>at Twin Creeks Country Club.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Golf Smarter. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Phil Calvert from Coming, Georgia. I play It

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<v Speaker 1>Bears Best in Siwani. This is Golf Smart number oneenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>The issue that we need to deal with is we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to eradicate golf intimidation. It's okay to duffer shop,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay to not strip at two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>yard drive. We don't really care if the golf balls

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<v Speaker 2>are jacked or not jack. It's not going to make

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<v Speaker 2>any difference to my game. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>need a new driver every year to pick up the

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<v Speaker 2>extra ten yards for the golf that I want to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Because golf is happening everywhere. It's happened at the office,

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening outside, it's happening with your kids, it's happening

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<v Speaker 2>with your grandparents.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody is playing golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And even what's more interesting, couples golf tournaments, formerly known

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<v Speaker 2>as a divorce open, are now the rage.

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<v Speaker 3>More people want to play with their spouse.

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<v Speaker 2>That was always a top It's an event because of

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<v Speaker 2>some of the tension.

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<v Speaker 3>Now people love it. They want to play nine and

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<v Speaker 3>wine and dying.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where we're at with golf as we understand

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<v Speaker 2>that you don't play golf to get away from your family.

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<v Speaker 3>You can play golf to be with your family.

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<v Speaker 1>Not about golf, the life changing joy of playing the game.

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<v Speaker 1>With the author Mike Berlin, this is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,

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<v Speaker 1>tips and insights from great golf minds to help you

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<v Speaker 1>lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike, Hey, Freg welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yeah, thank you. So he's referring to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I've been traveling a lot, but I'm here

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<v Speaker 1>now and getting to have more conversations for the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which I love doing. And this one just based on

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<v Speaker 1>our few minutes of introduction to one another. This is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be lively.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of sep We've had a common journey,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm glad to go through it with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain the common journey part.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both came in the golf a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later. I didn't grow up with golf. It came

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<v Speaker 2>to me when I was in my twenties, and it

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<v Speaker 2>really surprised me because I didn't think golf.

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<v Speaker 3>Was for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the moment that you went, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on a mandatory vacation doing my first job.

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<v Speaker 2>I had gotten some irritable ball syndrome and my boss said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to take a vacation. And I went down

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<v Speaker 2>to Santabal Island in Florida with my mother and my stepfather.

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<v Speaker 2>My stepfather was an adamant golfer. My father had never

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<v Speaker 2>golfed in his whole life. And he said, well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to the driving range. And I thought this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be kind of boring. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch him hit golf balls, but he said, come anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after he hit a few balls, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you try it? And he had this driver

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<v Speaker 2>called the Big Whale. And do you remember the big Wheel?

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<v Speaker 2>It was by Wilson Whale. La, I have it now

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<v Speaker 2>because I bogged on eBay And if the big wheel

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<v Speaker 2>is not big at all compared to the big berth

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<v Speaker 2>end some of these other ones that are out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But he said, why don't you hit it? And I

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<v Speaker 2>got up. I cheat the ball up and I hit

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<v Speaker 2>it and in my mind that ball went three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>yards straight in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Air and I was harked.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking back, it probably went one hundred and twenty yards

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<v Speaker 2>and sliced, but in my mind it was the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>driverver right down.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was hooked on golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And the rest of the trip I took lessons, I

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<v Speaker 2>started to play, and I was hooked on golf.

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<v Speaker 3>And this was nineteen this was nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, perfect. And that's what it'll do to you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it just takes if you're not a golfer or you're

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<v Speaker 1>new to golf, you know, and if you've been playing

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<v Speaker 1>most of your life, you know, it takes one swing

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<v Speaker 1>with contact and you see the ball in the air

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the dope rushes to your head and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I as a as a researcher, I've looked

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<v Speaker 2>into it. There's a dopamine rush that comes when you

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<v Speaker 2>hit the ball in the air. There's a dopamine rush

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<v Speaker 2>when you sink a pot. And it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 2>it's a twelve footer or a one footer. That little

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<v Speaker 2>noise when it goes down is dopamine rush, and you

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<v Speaker 2>live for it. That's why I tell people, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>having trouble golfing, go putt for twenty minutes. Just go

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<v Speaker 2>feel success or the ball going into the cup, and

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<v Speaker 2>then go back to the range or go play golf

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<v Speaker 2>and it will change your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Your chemistry is different. You've had success.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes hitting seven irons for an hour can be a

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<v Speaker 2>very frustrating experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I frequently get people going, hey, I'm I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to come back into golf now that my

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<v Speaker 1>take a break from it. How do I get my

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<v Speaker 1>kid into golf? And I'll say, take them to the

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<v Speaker 1>putting green, give them, give them three foot putts that

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<v Speaker 1>they can figure out that they can do. Hitting a

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<v Speaker 1>golf ball's hard. Putting is easy, and if they get

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<v Speaker 1>good at putting, the game's going to be easy for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Fred, I've worked on my putting and taking five

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<v Speaker 2>strokes off all on eliminating three putts yep. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I mean for all of us, whether we're kids or

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<v Speaker 2>whether we're adults, getting your being a confident putter can

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<v Speaker 2>just make the day so much better.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me blow your mind for a minute and

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<v Speaker 1>see if you're familiar with this. A couple episodes ago

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<v Speaker 1>we had Eric Alpenfels, who is the head golf instructor

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<v Speaker 1>at Pinehurst, has been for decades, and well, he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a book called Instinct Putting, and his whole point is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the hole, not at the ball when you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting nice, which you can easily do, right, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>hard once you get used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a commitment and I love that. Right, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to trust it exactly. But think about this. You

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<v Speaker 1>ever play corn hole?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, sure?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you looking at?

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<v Speaker 3>You look at the hole? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly? You ever shoot a basket?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right? You ever shoot a basket?

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<v Speaker 3>Look at hoot?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? You ever hit a baseball?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You're looking at the ball. You don't look at And

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<v Speaker 1>so what happens when you're putting with instinct, With most putting,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the hole, you look at the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>You look at the hole, you look at the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>You stay at the ball. You stay at the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>You stay at the ball, and you forget where the

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<v Speaker 1>hole is. But you take a putt right and you

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<v Speaker 1>come up short and you're like, how did that happen? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you you're not connected to it. But when you look,

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<v Speaker 1>even on short puts especially, but I've been using on

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<v Speaker 1>short and long putts and having great success with my

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<v Speaker 1>distance control and holding out long putts, including holding out

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<v Speaker 1>ten footers regularly.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>By looking at a very specific spot where I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go, you know, and and it works so well.

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<v Speaker 1>When I played Riviera. We were talking about I played

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<v Speaker 1>Riviera first the first hole, guy, I've got like a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty foot putt, and the caddies like, hit it right here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was looking at that spot the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>and it went in. We don't won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we played courses that we haven't played before

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't quite know the contours and we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the speed, you got to trust the spot because

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And so if that gives you that confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't do my putting routine, which I do

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<v Speaker 2>in a point, but if I don't do the putting routine,

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<v Speaker 2>I miss every time and I don't even know why

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<v Speaker 2>I do. But I've got to go through the routine

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<v Speaker 2>to know the distance, to know the spot, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the commitment comes, and without the commitment, I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just hacking it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm not I'm not in it. I'm not committed

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<v Speaker 3>right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing I mean, We've talked to so

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<v Speaker 1>many instructors on the show. It's all about your preshot routine, consistency, right,

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<v Speaker 1>doing it over and over, and just being comfortable with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and including being comfortable with the dog barking because she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to come in. Okay, good, she's driving me nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>all right anyways.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you play with a partner, if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>good part of somehow your partner calms down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like somebody somebody you're with. I noticed that spending time

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<v Speaker 2>on the green can really annoy the other golfers in

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<v Speaker 2>the foursome, can annoy your partner like they want to

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<v Speaker 2>play kind of quickly, and a slow, slow golf on

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<v Speaker 2>the green is actually emerging as one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>hang ups that golfers are having. Like you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>be sort of quick and methodical, but don't be slow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just as bad as being slow in the fairway now, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I maybe think they should put a shock clock on

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<v Speaker 2>a pup.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk you never watch TGL.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally they have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the shot clock.

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<v Speaker 3>You're making bitter decisions. I don't think so, No, just

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know I'm very deliberate about my preshot routine

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<v Speaker 1>on the green and in my shot and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling that there's people that are like, come on, Fred,

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<v Speaker 1>just if you make it, if you ever watch it

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<v Speaker 1>on TV, and they take a whole lot more time

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<v Speaker 1>than I do. Relax.

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<v Speaker 2>As long as you're three party, nobody cares. Yeah, right, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a three part that takes a long.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, right, especially when you go through that routine again.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we're here because you wrote a book. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called not about Golf, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the biggest mistrack. Not about golf.

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<v Speaker 2>All about golf, but it's not the golf that most

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<v Speaker 2>people think about. Most people think about golf as the

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<v Speaker 2>tips and tricks, how to get a lower score, how

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<v Speaker 2>to improve your game, how to get some distance. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that that really matters for the golf I play.

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<v Speaker 2>For the golf I played. How to have a more

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<v Speaker 2>fun time with your friends, how to find more fulfillment

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<v Speaker 2>on the golf course, how to build a better network.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's you can't take a lesson on that you

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<v Speaker 2>talked about your son learning etiquette on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Fred I spend If I spend four hours golfing with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>There's no question that golf exposes character. Yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were just talking about how how you know doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>I did an episode once talking about doing business on

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're going out to play golf with somebody

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<v Speaker 3>It's the ultimate character referrals.

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<v Speaker 2>But you you're finding out they're honest, and that means

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<v Speaker 2>Can they deal with adversity? All of those things? Are

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do business to find out if you

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<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't go well on the golf course, is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go well in the business deal. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never negotiated a single business term or completed a

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<v Speaker 2>deal on the golf course. Have I made relationships where

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Have we had conversation that proves.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was a political and brand consultant, where I

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<v Speaker 3>Them with, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But most of the time we're you know, we're chit

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<v Speaker 2>chatting about life, and then we talk about this shot,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're chitchatting about something else and then we

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<v Speaker 2>And what I like about golf is golf is the

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<v Speaker 2>natural chit chat. When you run out of chitchat great drive,

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<v Speaker 2>you can talk about top break. Oh you lost that ball.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy for you found a new golf ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh absolutely absolutely. So do you play for money?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you are you gambler on the golf course or I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, I mean my biggest bet are two, two, four, five, five, ten,

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<v Speaker 2>if I splurge, it's you know, dollar skins. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what I was big as a catch. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to bet money in golf. That doesn't it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get me more engaged or energize.

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<v Speaker 3>It just gets me nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>The exact same way. It's like part of the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with my son. Even when we went to top golf,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, all right, bucks on this. I'm like, come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>just let's hit the ball. I can't do it unless

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<v Speaker 3>Because he can't.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't play with his dad enough skin in the game,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean, either rooting for his dad or rooting

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<v Speaker 2>against his dad would be. My son and I used

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<v Speaker 2>to play twenty dollars. I think we played twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 2>skinned until maybe he was fourteen, because he needed money

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<v Speaker 2>and he could always beat me, so it was I

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<v Speaker 2>always knew it was a good way to give him

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<v Speaker 2>And then I think somewhere around when he graduated high

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<v Speaker 2>schools like, dad, we don't need to play for money anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to be out here with you.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought that was very sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he asked for a couple hundred bucks afterwards

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<v Speaker 2>for some you know, with him spending money.

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<v Speaker 3>But he didn't have to win it off me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right we were, my son and I were playing. Once

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<v Speaker 1>he goes I have fifty bucks, I'm like five, because

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<v Speaker 1>no fifty. I said, do you need fifty bucks. If

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<v Speaker 1>you need fifty bucks, I'm happy to give it. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>Humiliate me, right, don't don't make me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he can't beat me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he cannot beat me. But he can. But he

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<v Speaker 1>we were going out and I'm like, okay to no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to get into his head. I know

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<v Speaker 1>I can beat him. I'm just going to get into

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, my son, I can't beat you up. You're

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<v Speaker 1>beating yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Up so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're going to take off him and he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He calculating for holes. So he's like putting it out down,

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<v Speaker 2>six down, seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Times over and said, just tell me at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the round and at it up. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>Did he have money to pay you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, always. I haven't had to give this kid

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<v Speaker 2>That's I mean, that's a pretty entrepreneurial kid.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's good. So I mean something's working.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's and he's working it.

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<v Speaker 3>I told you before, and yeah it works. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>my son. Matthew is is too. I don't. He doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't bet on the golf course anymore. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>with his friends, but it's not for money, it's for honor,

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<v Speaker 2>it's for points. They do a Ryder Cup. All his

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<v Speaker 2>college friends get together a couple of times year and

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<v Speaker 2>they do a Rider Cup format. And that's just fun

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<v Speaker 2>to see that they love golf so much that they'll

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<v Speaker 2>fly to Arizona or they'll fly up here to New

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<v Speaker 2>York and just play.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. So you mentioned about using golf to build a

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<v Speaker 1>better network.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring that out. Let's tease that out for just a

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<v Speaker 2>I've think fortunate to be part of a group called

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<v Speaker 2>a Young Professionals Young President's Organization, which is a group

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<v Speaker 2>of which is a group of young presidents all under

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years old, and they have something called the Golf Network.

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<v Speaker 2>And originally I thought the Golf Network was for all

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<v Speaker 2>these young presidents who were you know, scratch golfers. No,

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<v Speaker 2>the Golf Network is for like fifteen to twenty handicaps

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<v Speaker 2>who just enjoy getting together for golf, and White is

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<v Speaker 2>spread all over the world, and so I would look

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<v Speaker 2>at the website and find all these different places they

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<v Speaker 2>were hosting golf events. So the first one I found

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<v Speaker 2>was the YPO World Championship, which I thought that sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a big thing, and it was in Dubai, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go play in the YPO World Championship.

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<v Speaker 2>It turned out to be a bunch of fifteen and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty handicappers and Dubai was just coming together. And I've

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<v Speaker 2>gone to events in Australia and Tasmania. I've gone to events.

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<v Speaker 1>Events these are young that's Young Presidents organization.

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<v Speaker 2>All Young Presidents. And so that was that was one

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<v Speaker 2>form of my golf network. And then in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>I know New York has a lot of golf, there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's public I mean, we have the Ryder.

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<v Speaker 3>Cup coming in just a couple of pages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that case, which will be that's going to really

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<v Speaker 2>be a major event from there. That will be as

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<v Speaker 2>big as any Yankee World Series or Nicks basketball or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even they're going to have the World Cup.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think New York expects what the

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<v Speaker 2>Ryder Cup has become because it hasn't been here in

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and New York is going to go absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>So but I have so, I have friends and we

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<v Speaker 2>Either members of private courses golf clubs or have public

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<v Speaker 2>courses and we just play. I never I never play

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<v Speaker 2>more than five rounds at my home club because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always going to my friend clubs and having home and

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<v Speaker 2>homes and that's something I really enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. That's awesome. So, so your book about not

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<v Speaker 1>about golf, you know. The line that I was fed

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<v Speaker 1>here is that it explores the life changing joy of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, debunking myths and highlighting how golf's momentum fosters

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<v Speaker 1>social and networking benefits for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, because golf brings people together together of all abilities.

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<v Speaker 2>With the handicap system, we can all play golf. So

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<v Speaker 2>the handicap, I'm a fourteen handicap, I don't know you're something.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a five handicap more you were a five handed.

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<v Speaker 3>But even when in the days when you were lowered.

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<v Speaker 2>We could play together because you would you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>would give me a couple of strokes on different holes

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd have very competitive matches. Equals the playing field

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and allows us to stay engaged, and

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<v Speaker 2>no other sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Really allow that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you always have to have similar level of

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<v Speaker 2>players playing or it's not satisfying. So golf brings together

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<v Speaker 2>that way. It also brings together people in different formats

429
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<v Speaker 2>at different times, and it's outdoors. It's a way to

430
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<v Speaker 2>spend time with each other. And now after the pandemic

431
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<v Speaker 2>where golf was completely discovered as the one sport that

432
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<v Speaker 2>we could all do together, people realize that no one

433
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<v Speaker 2>really cares how you're playing golf as long as you're

434
00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.400
<v Speaker 2>playing fast and as long as you're keeping accurate scores.

435
00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.119
<v Speaker 2>What golfers don't like is they don't like because it's

436
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<v Speaker 2>one golf course for all of us, no matter what

437
00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.160
<v Speaker 2>the level. So the golf course has to keep moving

438
00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and golfers like to keep things honest. So if you're

439
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<v Speaker 2>playing fast and you're playing honest, everybody will want to

440
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<v Speaker 2>be out with you. And it's a great equalizer. And

441
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:26.279
<v Speaker 2>there's very few things like that that bring communities together. Men, women, children,

442
00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.920
<v Speaker 2>gen Z's are playing more golf than ever, and they're

443
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<v Speaker 2>not just playing on golf course, they're also playing in simulators.

444
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<v Speaker 2>I think you know that half of there's seventeen million

445
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<v Speaker 2>golfers who are playing in simulators, which is indoor like

446
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<v Speaker 2>a five iron, which is a big simulator. Here in

447
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.960
<v Speaker 2>New York. We talked about top golf, and that's where

448
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of golf is being played.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue have thought about simulator golf, indoor golf, because

450
00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:05.079
<v Speaker 1>it is really exploding right now. The technology has gotten

451
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<v Speaker 1>so good. TGL has helped promote it, and I think

452
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<v Speaker 1>that young people are discovering that, hey, wait, I can

453
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<v Speaker 1>play golf. I can play eighteen holes of golf in

454
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<v Speaker 1>under two hours and I don't have to walk or

455
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<v Speaker 1>ride a cart. This sounds wonderful.

456
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<v Speaker 3>And you get amazing feedback.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Because Jenz loves to have feedback, how long did ago,

458
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<v Speaker 2>how high did it go?

459
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<v Speaker 3>What was this spin?

460
00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Because they're used to video games, so they get that

461
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<v Speaker 2>instant feedback, but they get the dopamine rush. If the

462
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<v Speaker 2>simulator says it was too sixty two down the fairway,

463
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<v Speaker 2>it's too sixty two down the fairway. There's no disputing that.

464
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<v Speaker 2>And unlike en course golf, where you know, there might

465
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<v Speaker 2>be a pond on the right, or there might be

466
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<v Speaker 2>trees on the left. They don't see those, they don't

467
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<v Speaker 2>really see those ferriers. So some of the stress that

468
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<v Speaker 2>can come from just you know, looking at the site

469
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<v Speaker 2>or the bunker doesn't exist. You're always hitting at the screen.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's actually a more enjoyable experience where they

471
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<v Speaker 2>can groove their swing get good results. And the simulative

472
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.519
<v Speaker 2>golf translates to encorese So if they play.

473
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<v Speaker 3>One on one on green.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Grass for every three simulators, that's a beautiful ratio. And

475
00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:24.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also very cost effective, very cost effective, sixty five

476
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.759
<v Speaker 2>dollars an hour for similar to golf. Maybe you can

477
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.839
<v Speaker 2>get it down as though many buildings are putting simulated

478
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<v Speaker 2>golf as an amenity in residential and it's an amenity

479
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<v Speaker 2>and commercial now is it really?

480
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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

481
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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the Empire State Building here in

482
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<v Speaker 2>New York City, the world's most famous building, they have

483
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<v Speaker 2>a simulator, and they have they have tournament and they

484
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<v Speaker 2>are using it as a way to get their tenants

485
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<v Speaker 2>to convene groups. And it's a wonderful amendy in a

486
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<v Speaker 2>building that is legendary and historic and epic as the

487
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<v Speaker 2>Empire State.

488
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<v Speaker 1>And as we were discussing, it builds your network. It's

489
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<v Speaker 1>a great way to build your network.

490
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<v Speaker 2>It builds your network, and you're talking to people. One

491
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<v Speaker 2>person hits seven people are talking.

492
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't.

493
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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they even played foursomes. I bet simulator

494
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<v Speaker 2>golf allow us for all different formats.

495
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<v Speaker 3>Sure, sure, right.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Right, well right now, let's let's get back to or

497
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<v Speaker 1>let's get not even back. We haven't gotten there yet.

498
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<v Speaker 1>We've been chatting like this but not about golf. Is

499
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<v Speaker 1>not your first book, but it's your first golf topic book.

500
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Let's establish where you came from and now you got

501
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<v Speaker 1>to this spot.

502
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm a researcher.

503
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I started off doing polling for an audacious congressman named

504
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Ed Kotch who wanted to New York City. I worked

505
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>for Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. I worked for Mike Bloomberg,

506
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and I worked for some of the top brands I

507
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<v Speaker 2>worked for. I worked for Open Ai, worked for Airbnb.

508
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:07.720
<v Speaker 2>I've worked for all these different brands who really for politician.

509
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to get elected, for the brands who were

510
00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>disrupting the way that people do business. They wanted to

511
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<v Speaker 2>get momentum, and so I was a momentum seeker, and

512
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<v Speaker 2>so as a polster, I find information and I share

513
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<v Speaker 2>it with large groups. And the book that I'm probably

514
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<v Speaker 2>most well known for is called maxim Momentum, How to

515
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Get It and How to Keep It was a book

516
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 2>about modern momentum, and momentum was always this very emotional

517
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<v Speaker 2>feeling like I have momentum, I've lost momentum. I was

518
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<v Speaker 2>able to quantify momentum using social media analytics and create

519
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 2>an algorithm to decide a brand, a person, a sport,

520
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.279
<v Speaker 2>who you know who has momentum and how to keep it?

521
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:49.599
<v Speaker 3>And I used.

522
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<v Speaker 2>So Isaac Newton's definition of mass time's velocity to calculate momentum.

523
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<v Speaker 2>And so in the book, I showed how modern politicians,

524
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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, whether you liked him or hate him, a

525
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>momentum master who in politicians you always have to have

526
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:12.039
<v Speaker 2>maximum momentum on election day or you lose. And Trump

527
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.519
<v Speaker 2>seems to figure out how to get that momentum. And

528
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>so we admired and we see politicians who couldn't get

529
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the momentum or peaked too early and lost. So that

530
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 2>was a lesson I learned in politics and with golf.

531
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I always thought that I found golf at twenty one

532
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and it had been a real life changer for me

533
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<v Speaker 2>and my family and my wife, and we played and

534
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>my friends played. But I didn't understand the cultural significance

535
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of golf until the pandemic happened. And during the pandemic,

536
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>golf was really one of the few things that we

537
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>could do as a society, as a neighborhood, as a

538
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>community to go out in golf because we had all

539
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 2>the social protections to be outside.

540
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't contagious.

541
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 2>We could do as for it, be together, but we

542
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 2>could still be separated, right And so golf sturge. Eight

543
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand more women started to play golf. Gen Z

544
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 2>came into golf, and there were golfers who were starting

545
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>to play at sixty year old golfers for the first time.

546
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>We're coming out to play because they wanted to be

547
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 2>part of it. They weren't trying to win the club championship,

548
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>although maybe some of them were. Most of them just

549
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be social and be with their friends. And

550
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 2>I could see the momentum of golf just absolutely taking off,

551
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I wanted.

552
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 3>To share it.

553
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Because I knew they could take lessons to get their

554
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>swing better, but who was going to teach them the

555
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.160
<v Speaker 2>social and networking parts of golf? And I felt that

556
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 2>this was my opportunity to share with them.

557
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, in the years that I've been doing this,

558
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:53.559
<v Speaker 1>we've seen two momentum factors in golf, the second one

559
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>being COVID where the pandemic to industries that really benefited

560
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>from from the pandemic were golf and podcasting. So I

561
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be right in the right spot. Yeah, podcasting

562
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 1>exploded at that point, but also the Tiger Woods effect

563
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>in their early two thousands was another thing. So where

564
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>are we now as far as momentum in golf to

565
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>continue to grow the sport. Are we in a good

566
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 1>spot or is it kind of waning because we're no

567
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>that far outside of no?

568
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 3>I think so.

569
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Tiger Woods brought in athletes and brought in people who

570
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be like Tiger play like Tiger, And I

571
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>actually think that while it was amazing for the sport,

572
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>that was an intimidating version of golf because Tiger Woods

573
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was an amazing player who made great shots, and that

574
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>was still the era where there were golf I mean

575
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 2>there was Nie Arnold, Palmer, Jack Nicholas and and we

576
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>can go through Gary Player, all these amazing golfers and

577
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to be a PGA pro. Right, this isn't

578
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about. We're talking about a grass roots

579
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>led from the people wanting to go into the golf court.

580
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It's a very different movement that's going on right now.

581
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Which I think that as I've gone through these book

582
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>tour and understanding the issue that we have Freds that

583
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>we need to deal with is we've got to eradicate

584
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>golf intimidation. And what I mean by golf intimidation is

585
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.599
<v Speaker 2>it's okay to duffer shot. You know, it's okay to

586
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>not have to stripe a two hundred and fifty hours drive.

587
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>We don't really care if the golf balls are jacked

588
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 2>or not jacked. It's not going to make any difference

589
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 2>to my game. I don't know if I need a

590
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>new driver every year to pick up the extra ten

591
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 2>yards for the golf that I want to play.

592
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I probably need to plot a little

593
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 3>bit more.

594
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's the type of golf that we're into now.

595
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And I say that because golf is happening everywhere. It's

596
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>happened at the office, it's happening in your building, it's

597
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>happening outside, it's happening with your kids, it's happening with

598
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.759
<v Speaker 2>your grandparents. Everybody is playing golf and all the and

599
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 2>even what's more interesting, couples golf tournaments, formerly known as

600
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the Divorce Open, are.

601
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Now the rage.

602
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>More people want to play with their spouse, whether it's

603
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 2>your husband or your wife. That was always a toxic

604
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 2>event because of some of the tension. Now people love it.

605
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.319
<v Speaker 2>They want to have play nine and wine and dine.

606
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's where we're at with golf. And so I

607
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>think as we understand that you don't play golf to

608
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>get away from your family, you play golf to be

609
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 2>with your family. It's a very different mindset.

610
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<v Speaker 1>It really is. It really is, really.

611
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Is, and I think the golf When I talked to

612
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<v Speaker 2>the Golf Channel about it, I was surprised that they

613
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<v Speaker 2>were my first interview because I was worried with golf,

614
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, with the with the golf hierarchy. Would think

615
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>about a guy writing a book called Not about Golf,

616
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 2>like how serious is he? And they were like, yeah,

617
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe we should maybe we are a little intimidating, and

618
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe people don't understand that if you talk to a

619
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>PGA professional, they don't really care. If they're playing with

620
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>you in a social game, they don't care how you play.

621
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>They just want to like you. And that if they're

622
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 2>in a match to win some money, or you know,

623
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>an amateur event where they're going to you know where

624
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be, you know, the champion, sure they

625
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.279
<v Speaker 2>want to take it. But if they're just playing a

626
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 2>social match where you're having a few drinks, he just

627
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 2>wants someone who's who's engaging and quite frankly, they say,

628
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 2>not an asshole.

629
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<v Speaker 1>Part of what your book talks about is a lot

630
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>about your golf. Your your experience is going and playing

631
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in some of the greatest courses. And I was like,

632
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know, guy, you keep talking about

633
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>these great courses that I'll never go to play. This

634
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 1>is so cool and it's all about your experience. But

635
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 1>tell me more about debunking myths in golf.

636
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the biggest myth about golf is that

637
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 2>it's older people, it's wealthier people, it's whier people, and

638
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>that might have been a version and it's more male.

639
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<v Speaker 2>That might have been a golf in the past, but

640
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 2>it isn't what golf is today. Golf is more accessible

641
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>than it's ever been. Golf is as much younger people

642
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 2>as older people.

643
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 3>It's as many women as men.

644
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 2>And so I think getting rid of this older image

645
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 2>of golf and getting to a modern image golf fashion

646
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>like I'm still waiting for being able to untuck my

647
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>shirt everywhere I go. It hasn't happened yet, but it's

648
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 2>starting to. Golf is mirroring society and the values. Golf

649
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>is inclusive. If I say, do you golf, I'm not

650
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>trying to keep you out of my life. I'm trying

651
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to bring you into my life. I want to If

652
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I say to you golf, it means I want to

653
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>spend time with you. I want to hang out with you.

654
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not going to I'm not going to judge you,

655
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 2>hire you golf. I'm going to judge you as a person.

656
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to judge your character. I'm going to judge

657
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 2>are you engaging? Are you caring? And that's where golf

658
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>is changing. I'm not going to I mean, I might

659
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>tease you a little bit if you if you make

660
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a fundy shot, but I'll do it with a smile,

661
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'll do it in an endearing way.

662
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So one of the things that other people are like, yeah,

663
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know. I can't. What a stupid

664
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>game that putting a ball in a little hole.

665
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>That's not what golf is because they don't get it,

666
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 2>and they won't spend the time I have. People say,

667
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't spend four hours doing that. I want something

668
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.440
<v Speaker 2>more athletic, I want something more strategic. I want something

669
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 2>more engaging. And I say to them, well, why don't

670
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>we come out and walk eighteen holes and you tell

671
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>me how you're feeling. Why don't we think about these

672
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>shots and all the different options, and you can tell

673
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 2>me if your mind was engaged, or if you want

674
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 2>to play inside, and let's have a few drinks and

675
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 2>talk and then you tell me at the end what

676
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>you thought, because you've made up this mental mind of

677
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>what you think golf is based on some understanding that

678
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 2>you had, and the truth of the matter is you

679
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>haven't opened.

680
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Your mind to try it. And that's what I wanted

681
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 3>to do with the book.

682
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>That one of the reasons I even did the color

683
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>is I didn't do like the classic Bucolic scene of

684
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 2>a fairway with trees, I put a big golf ball

685
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>with his textured because that is the universal sign that

686
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody recognized. Whether you play championship golf, simulator golf, mini golf,

687
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 2>pot pop golf, everybody would no matter what language you

688
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>play in, if you play in Korean, Japanese, Spanish, English,

689
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what a golf fall is.

690
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 3>And we all know what a golf fall is.

691
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yes. One of my favorite lines in the book

692
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:06.159
<v Speaker 1>is the game itself is a laboratory for positive life

693
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>skills such as generosity, humility, humor, kindness, and friendship.

694
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's and you certainly know, you certainly know

695
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 2>after fourteen holes. I don't think you have to play

696
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>with someone twice. They cannot control their impulses, good or bad.

697
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Because you have adversity in golf no matter who you are.

698
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Something doesn't exactly work out the way you planned, or

699
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you have unexpected success in golf, and both of those

700
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 2>require a certain temperament. If we are something great happen

701
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 2>in our life, we don't instantly jump up for joy

702
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and start hugging each other. And if something bad happens,

703
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>in life. You know, we don't start throwing stuff. If

704
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you know people who throw their club I'll never talk

705
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to them again.

706
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Like, I'm not into that. I want to know you

707
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 3>need help.

708
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of my listeners told me when he was

709
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>playing with his dad when he was a kid, and

710
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>he got upset and threw his club and his dad said,

711
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>you're not good enough to throw your clubs yet.

712
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't.

713
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what that would feel like, because don't you

714
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>need that club, you know, like.

715
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Like right, like that.

716
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I have a practical thing, so like if you throw

717
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>your wedge, you're going to need to be hit that

718
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 2>wedge again. So probably I see it like I see people,

719
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, slam a club, even in simulators, I see it.

720
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, it's it's golf.

721
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>You have another shot, Like there's always another shot, another one.

722
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>People have expectations of, like, and golf's not that easy.

723
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Who makes every who makes one hundred percent of anything?

724
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Nobody?

725
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, no one.

726
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>The spelling test, I don't spell all the words right.

727
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just not what I do. But I

728
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 2>went to a golf psychiatrist. It wasn't really a golf psychiatrist.

729
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>It was a sports psychiatrist. I had lost my game.

730
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I love golf.

731
00:36:58.239 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 3>It was the most important thing to me.

732
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>And then I was in a business deal, like the

733
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>best business deal I'd ever had in my life, and

734
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I was deep in due diligence, and you know, they're

735
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>asking me all these questions. I have just no idea

736
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 2>what the answer to and I couldn't golf and keep

737
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>my head in the due diligence, and I thought that

738
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>it was gone. And I played several rounds and I

739
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 2>said to my friend at dinner, I said, I really

740
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>need to find a new golf coach because I thought

741
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I needed to work on my swing. And his wife,

742
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 2>who never has played a round of golf in her life, says,

743
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>you don't need a golf coach, you need a psychiatrist.

744
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>And I said, yes, I need a psychiatrist. And so

745
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I went to the performance coach and the coach said, okay, let.

746
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Me get this right.

747
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>He said, when you're I've done iron Man before as

748
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 2>part of my afflets, and he said, like, when you're

749
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:47.599
<v Speaker 2>riding your bike.

750
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Do you ever see yourself just falling off?

751
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like no, And he said, when you're doing a

752
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>presentation in the meeting. Do you ever just see yourself

753
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>going off the right rails and saying something so ridiculous

754
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 2>that they never want to talk to you again. I said, no,

755
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 2>when you're skiing, do you see yourself just rolling down

756
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.199
<v Speaker 2>the mountain? No? He said, so, why when you play

757
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.199
<v Speaker 2>golf do you see your ball? Why do you see

758
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the future and you see your ball going into the

759
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 2>pond or the trees? And so he gave me this exercise,

760
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and I at first was very skeptical.

761
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 3>And he said, five things you.

762
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.280
<v Speaker 2>See, four things you hear, three things you touched, two

763
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:26.360
<v Speaker 2>things you taste, and et cetera. And I, if you've

764
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>ever tried that, it can knock your train of thought

765
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 2>off from anything you're thinking, and it works. And I

766
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.559
<v Speaker 2>found out that professional golfers have tricks to also, you know,

767
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>when they're when they're playing, to distract themselves a little bit.

768
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>And I never knew and so like even I was

769
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>playing in a golf tournament two weeks ago in Aspen,

770
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was a pretty tight golf tournament.

771
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 3>I was with a friend.

772
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 2>It was our eighteenth year and my friend had told me,

773
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I spent a lot of time playing golf.

774
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to be competitive in this and so he

775
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 2>really raised there and I felt a lot of pressure,

776
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>but my golf was at the game. So in between shots,

777
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>I would start to look at the trees and I'm like,

778
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I was starting to count the leaves, I was counting

779
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>the birds. I was looking anything I could to not

780
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 2>think about golf, so that when I got up to

781
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>my shot, it just went and I thought, the mind

782
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>is really active and you know, calming it down, and

783
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 2>then I use it in work. It has the same effect.

784
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I just chill out and start to think about something else,

785
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and when the question comes to me, I know exactly

786
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 2>what to say.

787
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, you just recapped over a thousand episodes of golf spread.

788
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.760
<v Speaker 2>That's why I wanted to come on this show, because

789
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you're into this stuff.

790
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, it's I mean. Episode one was with doctor

791
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Joe parent of Zen Golf. Oh, Zen Golf is my book,

792
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's why I had him on episode one in

793
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. He's been on the show many times.

794
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Round as you walk, absolutely, oh Zen, I'd read Zen

795
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Golf over and over again.

796
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 3>You can't meet it enough. Oh then golf here the birds.

797
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Or one of my favorites. I mean, I have lots

798
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of lines that I quote for is it if things

799
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>aren't going right, if you have a bad shot, treat

800
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 1>it like an Etra sketch. Flip it over, shake it off,

801
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and then move of.

802
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

803
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I love when he said yeah, he said, feel the ground,

804
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 2>smell what's going on here, the birds that are barely chirping,

805
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 2>and you can then golf.

806
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 3>That was the first.

807
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Time I started to practice that, because no one, you know,

808
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:39.800
<v Speaker 2>they don't tell you that when you first start golf

809
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 2>that you have to clear your mind after every shot.

810
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 3>No, no, you're just focus on the next one.

811
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>A couple of years ago, I was in Japan and

812
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>we were at a with a meeting with a Buddhist

813
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>monk on top of a mountain in his a little

814
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>monastery there, right, and we talked about sitting meditation and

815
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>walking meditatis, and then he started talking about Zen Golf,

816
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the book Zen Golf, and I'm like, wait a minute,

817
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that's one of my teachers. He called it The Golf

818
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the golfing Zen, and I'm like, no, no, you mean

819
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Zen Golf. My doctor goes, yes, yes, yes, one.

820
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 3>Of the great books. Because like, look when when when

821
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 3>you and I started chit chatting before, I never thought

822
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 3>this that we wouldn't have report. But it's never it's

823
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 3>not it's not a possibility.

824
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I looked at your profile like this is exactly what

825
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I like to talk about, and so and yet on

826
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the golf course, I probably tends up all of it

827
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.159
<v Speaker 2>when we got to the first hole because we haven't

828
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 2>golf together, you know, and so like, why how can

829
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>we be so natural here? And then we get to

830
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the first t and we're like, let's see where it goes.

831
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm flattered. Oh that's so great. Yeah, yay, Zen Golf. Okay,

832
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and again, anybody who's never read it.

833
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Get it again and again again.

834
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>And he's got Zen putting, and he's got a lot

835
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 1>of different books. I read them all, and he's just

836
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful, wonderful person. Last thing I want to touch

837
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>on as far as what golf brings to the table.

838
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And you know a lot of people are like, oh,

839
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing I play golf once or twice a year

840
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>at a charity tournament. And what golf does for charity

841
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 1>in itself, whether it's on the tour and the millions

842
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 1>they get raised or billions too locally.

843
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting. I have two responses to that.

844
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 2>One, I think charity golf is just scratching the surface.

845
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 2>It is because charity golf brings people together and it

846
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 2>raises so much money, and yet I think the possibilities

847
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 2>are so much more to bring in it to all

848
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 2>different areas because charity golf is community. And my wife

849
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>and I sponsored a boys and Girls club tournament and

850
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>we raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in one golf event.

851
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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, if we can raise this in one

852
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<v Speaker 2>golf this is the power of golf to convene people,

853
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<v Speaker 2>to convene people who are like minded to support things.

854
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<v Speaker 2>And so the reason I had the reaction when you

855
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<v Speaker 2>said that I golf one or two times and charity,

856
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is somebody who we should get golfing

857
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 2>all the time because they like golf. And then we

858
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<v Speaker 2>should find different ways for charities to not just have

859
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>golf events to play golf, but golf events to bring

860
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>in new golfers, because it shouldn't just be that we're

861
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>playing to scramble or we're playing, you know, best ball.

862
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>We should have something for new golfers. If you're new

863
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 2>to golf and you've never played, We're going to do

864
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>introductory golf. We're going to teach you that etiquette that

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<v Speaker 2>your son went through. We're going to teach you the

866
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 2>basics of holding a club. We're going to teach you

867
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.639
<v Speaker 2>out of putt, and so we should have different levels

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<v Speaker 2>to charity golf. I want to reinvent the way that

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00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>charity golf has been. I don't want anybody at the

870
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.440
<v Speaker 2>table signing people in. I want them to sign in

871
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.400
<v Speaker 2>on their iPhone before they get there. I want all

872
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 2>the people who are participating in the tournament on the

873
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 2>course and interacting and golf and not being left behind

874
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<v Speaker 2>in anyway. So I have a strong point of view

875
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<v Speaker 2>on the power of charity golf because I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's starting and it's I mean.

877
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:14.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know the number of twits. I'm sure

878
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<v Speaker 3>it's billions, but it's just starting.

879
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. I was on a committee putting together a

880
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 1>charity tournament a number of years ago, and I suggested,

881
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<v Speaker 1>I said, why not at the turn have some messuses

882
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>there in those chair chair massage and give you a

883
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>chair massage. It's like, that's.

884
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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

885
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I played, I played the best tournament I play in

886
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 2>is called the trash Masters. It's the Trash Masters is

887
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>played at snow Mask Club in uh snow Mask, Colorado.

888
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.599
<v Speaker 2>And you get points for the trash, so you get hu,

889
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you get points for a sandy you get which is

890
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<v Speaker 2>out of the sand.

891
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:58.639
<v Speaker 3>You get a barkie.

892
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>If you hit a tree, you get an otis if

893
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.679
<v Speaker 2>you go up and down and and as long as

894
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.280
<v Speaker 2>you get net par you get the points. And that

895
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 2>is the most fun way to play golf because you're

896
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.719
<v Speaker 2>just joking around with your friends trying to You don't

897
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 2>need to score, you know, five hunder. You're looking to

898
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>just get some junk. They put a tractor out there

899
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<v Speaker 2>and they call it a ford like And these are

900
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>just fun events. And I think a charity golf is

901
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 2>where we should bring people in have them get unusual experiences.

902
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>The massages, the drinks, the what have you to make

903
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 2>golf fun and engaging. You know, they don't all have

904
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<v Speaker 2>to be structured as a as a as a PGA event.

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<v Speaker 1>An otis up and down way I mean to send

906
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<v Speaker 1>you to send you.

907
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send you the trash Master's Book, and

908
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to connect you trash Masters is one of

909
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the most unique tournaments. And and and Jim Nanats.

910
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Was involved that you talked about him.

911
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 2>He's he's one of the the guys to get behind it,

912
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's brought this whole community together to appreciate what

913
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<v Speaker 2>golf is and to enjoy this in this most unusual way.

914
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<v Speaker 1>Mike, tell people how they can check out all your

915
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<v Speaker 1>books and your websites and you're on social media.

916
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<v Speaker 2>The best way is Not about Golf dot com, which

917
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<v Speaker 2>is you can find about all the things I'm doing.

918
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<v Speaker 2>You can go to Amazon and get Not about Golf,

919
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<v Speaker 2>which is the book, and you can always find me

920
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<v Speaker 2>at Mike Berlin dot com. But Not About Golf is

921
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<v Speaker 2>the best way to learn about what we're doing and

922
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<v Speaker 2>where we're going with this. The response has been absolutely phenomenal.

923
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<v Speaker 2>I was quite nervous with the golf community, the hardcore

924
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 2>golf community would think, and they love it because they

925
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 2>know that golf intimidation is an issue that we have

926
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<v Speaker 2>to overcome to grow to the next level. When it

927
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<v Speaker 2>comes up from the grassroots, that's when it's sustainable.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Mike, this has been a blast. Thank you so

929
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<v Speaker 1>much for your time and for sharing and for wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show so we can have this

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<v Speaker 1>guy conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>This has been great, This is absolute pleasure.

933
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<v Speaker 2>But I'm looking forward to I'm gonna we're gonna get

934
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<v Speaker 2>out and play.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm in take you

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<v Speaker 3>To one of my magical courses.