WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:27.559 What we welcome to the Occult Rejects. Today we've got 3 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:29.839 a returning guest. I think it's his third time back 4 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:31.679 on and it was always it was always a pleasure 5 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:33.479 in a blast the other two times, so I figured 6 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:37.039 when I getting back on again. But before we introduced Alexander, 7 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:39.439 we're going to introduce the other rejects. My man, we 8 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:42.479 got the Headless Giant. Just got done doing a show. 9 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:44.479 It was nice enough to jump back on here. These 10 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:46.799 guys a gangster. Thank you very much. Hitdlus let him 11 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:48.520 know what what you got going on there and all 12 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:50.479 your endeavors. Thank you. 13 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:52.679 Yeah, you can find me at the Headless Giant podcast 14 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.479 on YouTube and on Twitter x anything like that. So 15 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.119 I've got a bunch of shows. I was just doing 16 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.840 the Trialogus with my buddies Ethan and Ricardo and that 17 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.560 was a good time. So check that out. 18 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:09.560 Thank you awesome, Thank you very much, sir and Brandon 19 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:11.319 Magas in the media, what is going on? 20 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:16.079 Hello, Hello everyone, I'm excited for this wonderful talk with Alexander. 21 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:21.439 Everyone out there, head over to Magason the Media YouTube channel. 22 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:24.560 X TikTok Instagram. We're hitting all the things. 23 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.560 YouTube channels are the big one where you hit all 24 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:31.519 my video essays, live streams, my breakdowns of all kinds. 25 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.519 All you nerds out there, all your magicians, philosophers, academics, 26 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.599 we're all coming together and we're all taking on the 27 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.560 archons together. 28 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.640 I love it you definitely. I do have to say. 29 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.599 You definitely cover a plethora of different topics over it stuff. 30 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:48.680 That's why I love it. I really do. It's great stuff, man, 31 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.280 And we got out, Like I said before, we got 32 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.439 Alexander returning with us. Please, sir, let everybody know what 33 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.359 your dealer is. Promote any of your books. I do 34 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.359 have your link for the book in the bottom, but 35 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:01.120 let people know what what's going on with you. 36 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.319 Thanks for having me on again. As you mentioned third 37 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:09.000 time on your show. I really enjoy it as always. 38 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:12.520 My name is Alexandra Tishkevitch. You can find me, as 39 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.439 with most of the people today on plenty of social 40 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:21.199 media YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. Just copy paste Alexander Tishkevich and 41 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.479 you will find me easily. My book is Daja Who 42 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:28.199 has Everything Already Been? You can again find find it 43 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:32.680 in amazons like in US, Canada, UK, Australia and many more. 44 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.960 Deja who has everything already been? The best way, the 45 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.080 easiest way is just copy and paste my name and surname. 46 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.479 Very nice, that's very nice. So I know you approached 47 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.479 me and you wanted to come back on again. I 48 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.000 know you said there was like I guess, new things 49 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.960 since being in school. So I guess wherever you want 50 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.479 to take us, wherever you want to start with that, 51 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:55.479 it's your floor, Yah sir. 52 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.039 Yes, there have been plenty of new things going on, 53 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.960 both with my life research but also when it comes 54 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:09.039 to like media, new discoveries, archaeological, historical, and plenty of 55 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.199 new things. And before we had two conversations, first introductory 56 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.319 one about lost history and similar to this, you know 57 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.319 title of our live stream science Our history is older. 58 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.800 We're talking about that. Then in the second one we 59 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:27.840 talked mostly about science, philosophy of science, the limitations, how 60 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.319 it all works, and how science is never in the 61 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:35.120 present form, in the current form able to go and 62 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.039 achieve the truth, the final truth or something like that. 63 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.240 And today I wanted to compile all of that knowledge 64 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.879 and also give plenty of new things. And as you 65 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.680 mentioned with my school. I started a bachelor degree with 66 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.680 history in history here at my local University of Gdynsk, 67 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.680 and I was actually positively surprised because I was given 68 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:02.120 my book to some like professors doctors in history ancient 69 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.240 one and they said that they do not agree as 70 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:09.199 scholars with everything with lots of civilizations atlantis, but they 71 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.919 were pretty happy that people are that much interested at 72 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.800 my age when it comes to this all the history, 73 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.720 which is, according to them, the least wanted one. Everyone 74 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:24.639 when it comes to history wants to you know, learn 75 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.000 world wars and stuff like that, but when it comes 76 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.959 to this prehistory, when it comes to like younger generations, 77 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:34.920 it isn't that very often that people are interested. So 78 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.920 I was welcomed to some extent. I was given like 79 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:43.639 private schedule to meet my interest to have specializations in 80 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.160 you know, ancient times, ancient. 81 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:48.240 Middle East history, religion. 82 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.120 And stuff like that. And I will be also soon 83 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.720 writing Purvid articles this time, and I wanted with all 84 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:57.759 that experience, and you know, it's been a few months there, 85 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.920 I wanted to you know, compare like academic knowledge with 86 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:07.839 alternative history, how it's all connected and what are the differences, 87 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:11.000 And also I wanted to include some new stuff both 88 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.360 that I've learned, but not only when it comes to 89 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.839 my studies there, but also when it comes to just 90 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.240 you know, my research via books, internet, et cetera. And 91 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.959 how as it's mentioned in the title, the science is 92 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.839 finally catching up with, you know, all the conspiracy theories 93 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:33.879 about our most deepest periods of our history, of our past, 94 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:39.120 with especially prehistory dates like the dates of Atlantis before 95 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:44.959 first civilizations and so on and so forth. So I 96 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.600 think I will start with. 97 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:47.000 All of that. 98 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:52.199 Let's say, according to maybe let's start not with history 99 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.000 like civilizations like ancient Sumer Egypt, but let's start with 100 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.879 humanity at all. And you know, when I started studying, 101 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:03.040 I wanted to know, to learn more academic history, you know, 102 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.560 I got access to the library, et cetera. And for instance, 103 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.000 when I was writing a few years ago, like five 104 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.959 years ago, my book an automatically modern humans were Apperiod 105 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.439 about two hundred thousand years ago according to genetic studies 106 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.759 two hundred thousand, and again first settlements ten thousand BCS 107 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.759 or twelve thousand years ago, ancient summer about five thousand 108 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.199 years ago. So still there was a huge gap, right, 109 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.360 now when it comes to like the current academic knowledge, 110 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.199 it is stated that an automically modern humans appeared three 111 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.560 hundred fifteen thousand years ago, so more than one hundred 112 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.319 thousand years before, you know, just five or six years ago, 113 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.759 not two hundred thousand, but three hundred fifteen thousand, with 114 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.560 an additional note that probably they diverged from other home 115 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.120 in it about half a million years ago, half a 116 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.319 million years ago, and still civilization just about five thousand 117 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.120 years ago, so still huge gap in our history that 118 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.639 I'm explaining, I've explained in the first episode and of 119 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.839 course in my book and other works. And what is 120 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:10.680 interested interesting. What is interesting in that is we were 121 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:14.920 given some like textbooks and academic books to learn about prehistory, 122 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.160 and I got one very cool one from two thousand 123 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.560 and four. And in two thousand and four it was stated, 124 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.759 I remember, you know, the exact quote, that an automookly 125 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.560 modern humans appeared fifty thousand years ago, maximum of one 126 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.000 hundred thousand. So you see how in the last twenty 127 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.439 years or twenty five or something, you know, we took 128 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.399 the roots of anatomically modern humans similar to us right now, 129 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.199 not like different home inies previous like ape men or 130 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.800 something like that, but anatomically modern human genetically speaking from 131 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.959 fifty thousand to one hundred thousand, then to two hundred thousand, 132 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.399 and now to about three hundred fifteen thousand, two half 133 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.360 a million years ago. So we are taking the roots 134 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.680 of humanity back so much like in the last twenty 135 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:06.199 five thirty years. So imagine how our knowledge will be 136 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.839 in like the next twenty or fifty years and how 137 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.240 you know, back or maybe not, we'll take the roots 138 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.759 of humanity. So I've always asked when I first when 139 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.360 I was writing my book, we're asking myself, you know 140 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.800 how all this civilization like why only five thousand tiears ago? 141 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.680 Approximately when two hundred thousand years of anatomicly modern humans. 142 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.160 And I think that right now we are even more 143 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:30.360 and more taking. 144 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.680 The roots of civilization back. 145 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:36.159 So this was the you know, genetics, anthropology, prehistory, so 146 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.639 before written history, before civilizations. But right now when it 147 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:44.519 comes to history, and these are like very recent recent news. 148 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.120 Last December I think it was approximately the same, like 149 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.679 fifteenth December, twelfth December something like that. So about a 150 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:57.639 month ago, there was an an archaeologist as criologists, Irvin 151 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.519 Finkel on the Lex Friedman podcast, and he mentioned that 152 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:05.759 this is his own like controversial theory as an academic, 153 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.679 but even thinkl isn't like just a researcher alternative history now, 154 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.919 he is, you know, true academic person, very strigged, very conservative, 155 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.840 and he said that we might be on a blink 156 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:21.960 of a bit of revolution. That the writing system was 157 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.120 not first found in ancient Summer or Proto Sumerian scrut 158 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.320 but it may be as old as gobeicly tape, so 159 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.840 it may be taken back from let's say thirty five 160 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.480 hundred BC to about nine thousand BC and more. And 161 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.559 he said it's his controversial opinion, but he's very let's 162 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.559 say conservative, and he mentioned some evidence for that. And 163 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:49.240 at gobekletape, you know this famous side about twelve years 164 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.120 ago with all of these mega leaves that change a 165 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.080 bit are understanding when it comes to human history. We 166 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.200 found some stones with some kind of inscriptions similar to 167 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:07.159 proto Proto Sumerian cunniform script that, according to this assyriologists, 168 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.720 may be actually used as some kind of stamps, you know, 169 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.200 stone engraved with some kind of script, you know, put 170 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:19.240 on clay like a stamp. But of course these clay 171 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:24.000 tablets didn't survive because it isn't that much again, because 172 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.000 I'm telling you right now like very academic stuff. Because 173 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.840 before we were talking about conspiracies and alternative history. But 174 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.279 the more you know, I was attending the classes and 175 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.600 the more I'm learning the academic stuff right now, the 176 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.559 more I actually found I found what I was thinking before, 177 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.960 the more like it's all, you know, the evidence comes 178 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.759 together that what you know, Graham Hankok was talking about 179 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.600 is or decades ago, what other alternative historians, what I've 180 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.000 been speculating about for the last few years. The more 181 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.600 I'm in this academic the more I'm learning academic stuff, 182 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.960 the more connections I see that it's making the picture. 183 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.440 So contrary to the belief of many skeptics that the 184 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.080 more you learn academic stuff, the less you believe in 185 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.679 loss of civilizations or in Atlantis or something. Maybe it's 186 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.240 not that I'm more believing, because you know, I did 187 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.879 my own research before. But I see connections and I 188 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.480 see how you know, we will be changing very soon 189 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.360 our history, that it's coming, you know, everything is being 190 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.159 taken back more and more by thousands of years. We 191 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.360 are talking about here, let's say sumerianscript about thirty five 192 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:39.279 hundred BC. The starting point maybe before one thousand BC, 193 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.399 you know, the earliest Proto script or something like that. 194 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.559 But now we are taking nine thousand years so twice 195 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.320 the time as that the times of approximately Atlantists, and 196 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.360 we are saying that the script is taken back. 197 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.440 So if there was a script, if there. 198 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:59.879 Was megalithic strutt, if there were megalithic constructions like these 199 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:03.440 found out goblicly tape, we see that there was some 200 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.519 kind of civilization at the times of Atlantis or just 201 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.679 a little bit after that. And you know, there are 202 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:13.320 so many more discoveries right now or in the least 203 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:17.759 ten fifteen years in the academic circles that I think 204 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.039 the more and more theories like the theory of Atlantis 205 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:25.879 or lost civilizations are plausible. And I you know, when 206 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.559 I'm saying that right now, I'm thinking that in twenty years, 207 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:34.440 thirty years, maybe fifty years, the theory that civilization or 208 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:38.000 some kind of sophisticated culture started let's say ten or 209 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:42.879 twenty or more thousand years ago will be plausible. So 210 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.120 this is huge if you've got some questions. If not, 211 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:50.559 I will go and take it further, I will dream Alexander. 212 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:56.480 There. I think what a lot of the institution, the 213 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.639 academic institution does is they try to limit the amount 214 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.960 of understanding of state secrets. Right, So if we're going 215 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.480 to take state secrets as an example and then just 216 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.279 put that back into history, things start to make a 217 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.399 little bit more sense when when you see the library 218 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.679 of Alexandria being burned down and all of these different 219 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.480 civilizations sort of keeping all of the knowledge of metallurgy 220 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.840 to themselves, like this was a highly valuable state secret. 221 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.080 That state secrecy institution has sort of been in place 222 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:33.320 since the Bronze Age, since way back when, and I 223 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.000 don't think academia is ready to, you know, fully come 224 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.799 out and say, hey, yeah, there's kind of been a 225 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.960 state secret thing with us and all this transatlantic travel 226 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.679 going on in prehistory that we can't really talk about 227 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.720 because it affects the political situation today. But all of 228 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.879 these different ideas really come apart when you realize how 229 00:13:54.919 --> 00:14:00.000 much older civilization is. Then we're being given right now. 230 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.240 So I don't know if that was a question, but. 231 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.360 Now that's brilliant. I agree, Headless, it's interesting. 232 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:14.720 The more I work with academia myself. There's so much 233 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:19.440 bureaucracy and administration that and it's interesting, how, you know, 234 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.480 we talk about the governmental slash, the deep state and 235 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:27.879 black ops and all these different things, there's so many 236 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.840 different ego like the conspiracies. 237 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:34.879 It's like they're all trying to vie for power. 238 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.399 So even on the microcosmic level of in academia, you 239 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.879 can't get one professor who's like, I know, a man 240 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.240 who's in the humanities department in like a really big 241 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:49.159 school of like something as seamlessly as say like architecture, 242 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.039 different things like that, And then you have your other 243 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:55.799 more positivest professors in that same department, and they're at 244 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.159 odds and they're like trying to stop this kind of 245 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:01.080 thing that you're talking about, those words like they're trying 246 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:03.080 to stop and even Alexander, they're trying to stop this 247 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:08.720 the mythopoetic human like more quadrivium like nature of what 248 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:11.000 the academia even was back in the day. So it's like, 249 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.200 I wonder, how can even in the next twenty years, 250 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.679 especially as the powers that be try to control the narratives, 251 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.240 how you know, even though we're expanding things by thousands 252 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.720 of years, Like how really, like really do we think 253 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:28.720 that we can like all of a sudden. 254 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.039 Realize our nature? 255 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.639 As Graham Hancock talks about it as like a we 256 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:35.240 are a civilization within amnesia. 257 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.279 You know what I mean? Yes, I understand. 258 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:41.080 I didn't want I didn't want to include conspiracy at 259 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:44.519 first because I was actually very welcomed. And I think 260 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.759 that there are, of course plenty of conspiracy, plenty of 261 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.480 as you mentioned, bureaucratic things when it comes to academia. 262 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.960 But from my own experience, maybe it's just a few months, 263 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.000 and you know, not with like tens or dozens of 264 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.360 profit source, but just if you I've experienced that people 265 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.919 even you know, at this level, some people are very open, 266 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.799 very curious, and not everywhere, but of course at the 267 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.879 higher level, like publishing level, if you wanted to publish 268 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:13.279 something very controversial or something, yes, of course, but the 269 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:18.240 conspiracy isn't everywhere. And still, you know, when we try 270 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.720 to make an appearance that there is no conspiracy, things 271 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:25.080 are getting through this new discovery is this neey stuff? 272 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:27.759 So I didn't want to know to start with such conspiracy. 273 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.759 And I think that you know, not in entire academia. 274 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:34.840 There is a conspiracy even you know I mentioned that, 275 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.559 you know, I'm on such podcasts, et cetera. They were asking, 276 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.159 you know, ancient aliens and stuff like that, lots of 277 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.399 civilizations and what they said about you know, being academic, 278 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.879 being an academic historian. And as I mentioned, there is 279 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.240 a conspiracy, especially when it comes to let's say Polish history, 280 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.799 because maybe you know, here in Poland ancient times, prehistoric, 281 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.120 no one cursed because it's not. 282 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.799 Politically very dangerous. 283 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.440 Still maybe on the other side of the world, of 284 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.359 course it is, but here still it isn't. But when 285 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.839 it comes to the Polish for instance, megothic sides. I 286 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:13.000 had a few people telling me about their experiences that, 287 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.279 you know, they couldn't go in places that you know 288 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:21.000 are very accessible to casual tourists. But you know, when 289 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.599 they got some kind of a paratus like glider or something, 290 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.680 you know, they were men in black, came men in 291 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.039 black of course as a meta for some kind of agents, 292 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.440 and they said, no, you cannot do that, better relief, 293 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.400 it will be in dangerous. I know people you know 294 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.279 firsthand who were telling me that, and had a few 295 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.039 of such things. 296 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:41.240 But what I mentioned I. 297 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:44.119 Didn't want such a conspiracy because for the last few 298 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.039 months I didn't experience it. And why they said, you 299 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:51.599 know that historian is like a job. Like let's say 300 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.240 you are a judge and you need to you know, 301 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.400 do your judge things. No matter you know who the 302 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.160 suspect is, is it your family member or do know 303 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.039 the truth? You need to go you know, through all 304 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.000 the methodologists. You need to know logically, rationally, you know, 305 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.640 analyze everything. And the same is with the historian. Even 306 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.079 though you have some ideas, even though you have some 307 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.960 opinions in peer reviewed papers, in the official academic statements, 308 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:20.160 you need to be you know, using historical methodologists, you 309 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.000 need to be objective. No matter what do you believe 310 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.559 in Atlantis or not, you need to follow the guide. So, 311 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.640 as I mentioned before, we had this conversation about limitations 312 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.839 of science. That's why I believe, you know, science will 313 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.200 never at the current firm come to the you know, 314 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.720 final truth like you know, spiritual even truth, metaphysical truths. 315 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:42.720 And that's what I. 316 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.400 Wanted to know today, to show from my experience that 317 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.839 it's not that all academics and you know from my experience, 318 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.119 I you know, as I'm in such a podcast, even 319 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:55.079 bigger ones, I get plenty of critics. I get plenty 320 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.880 you know, of people calling me some kind of crap 321 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:04.519 et cetera, different words. But actually, when you know, I 322 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.759 went studying, and you know, I know a few of 323 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:10.960 academic members of high ranking here in Poland, at least 324 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.519 I've experienced that these kinds of people that are, oh, 325 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:17.519 we need to debank Graham ham Kok, Oh, Graham Kuangkok 326 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:20.880 is racist, et cetera. These are you know, just as 327 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.440 in politics, there are some very strong voices. 328 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:24.839 You know, these they. 329 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:30.200 Aren't like representing the official academic stuff. They are we know, 330 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.720 in this like one kind of group that wants to 331 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.599 debank everything and wants to have this kind of opinion. 332 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:40.720 And even right now here we are learning about different 333 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.240 kinds of approaches, maybe not as let's say, controversial as 334 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.240 Graham Hamkok's ideas, but we are talking. Okay, some people 335 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:50.119 believe in that, but some people are completely in opposition 336 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:53.759 to that. Even when it comes to actually such things 337 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.839 that academia should you know, everything is in the current 338 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.039 part I know, for instance, the chronol and day things 339 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:04.000 of ancient Egypt. There is still a debate and you know, 340 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.720 there is one academic group that thinks there were some 341 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.599 kind of one hundred years in the ancient Egyptian history, 342 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.720 and there is the other group who is rejecting entire 343 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.319 one hundred years of history, which in the result is 344 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.240 completely changing the chronology. 345 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:19.359 So I wanted to share, you know, without. 346 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.480 The conspiracy, from my own experience, that you know, such 347 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:26.839 kind of let's say, mild academia, not like very politically 348 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:32.079 or conspiratorially interested people. You know, it's like a job 349 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:34.640 that you need to follow the methodologists. You need to 350 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.279 follow that this is our method. Like let's say I'm 351 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.880 some kind of engineer or someone or car mechanic. I 352 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.799 am one hundred percent experts, you know, in car mechanics, 353 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:49.880 I'm like one of the best. But when it comes 354 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:55.200 to for instance, some there will be there will come 355 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.240 a current and I cannot do my own mechanic magic, 356 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.079 mechanical magic because she would say no, it's not like 357 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.359 that or something, and I will get sued by her. 358 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.880 So like you know what I mean, So the same 359 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:09.440 you need to follow the guidelines in the academic but 360 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.799 you can have like your own opinions and you know, 361 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.599 your own stuff. It will be sometimes ridiculed at such 362 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:18.920 antil I wanted, you know, to omit for a moment, 363 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:22.880 this conspiracy power, just to show you know how everything 364 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:25.440 from my own experience, how I experienced and how it 365 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.640 shocked me because I also before had this. You know, 366 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:31.680 oh I will go, I will be called a pseudo 367 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.480 scientist or something. It will be so only the borrowing 368 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:37.599 stuff there wouldn't be anything. And the same the more 369 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.680 I'm learning from these academic books, like I started, you know, 370 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.799 more heavily before I also was reading academic books, but 371 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.400 I am more heavily focused because of the classes on 372 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.319 the academic stuff. The more I see how actually, finally 373 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:57.079 on this level, the bs of the bankers that oh 374 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.880 Atlantis never existed, and so one is stopping making any 375 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.680 sense because you see, for instance that at such a 376 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.880 high academic level, people are very open. 377 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:08.759 We do not know much about our history. 378 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.839 We find only a few examples of this, how minutes, 379 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.319 and we still don't know if there were others, like 380 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.599 between the ones that we found, we do not know that, 381 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:20.920 you know, if history started here because we have a 382 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:24.519 different example here. So this was like positively shocking to 383 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:28.480 me that finally, at this level the stuff I'm talking about, Oh, 384 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:32.359 we are speculating maybe history is older, maybe civilization is older, 385 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.799 maybe there was Atlantis. These kind of things is are 386 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.160 completely ridiculed. Like when we are talking in some kind 387 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.960 of you know, academic de bunker, we'll say, oh, it's 388 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:42.720 all bs. 389 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.440 But when you. 390 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.440 Start reading yourself high academic stuff, you will see there 391 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:50.680 are even debates about, you know, if this was influenced 392 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:53.960 by that or by that things that you know, we 393 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:58.599 as alternative historians are doing like asking questions, can it 394 00:22:58.640 --> 00:22:59.279 be older? 395 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:01.400 Can it be the case that we do. 396 00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:05.079 Not have plenty of things that were preserved from let's 397 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.079 say ancient summer or any other kind of distant past. 398 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.079 So this was what positively shocked me. 399 00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:16.400 That's amazing. I think I'm fascinating Alexander. I love your 400 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:19.279 ability to continue that train of thought that was that 401 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:22.720