Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
off with a Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's get right
back to it, shall we. Manager, Do you recall a
meeting with her in about two thousand and six when
she was in town for some helicopter training? Answer? I
do recall that. Manager. Do you recall giving her some
massages during that period? Answer yes? Manager. Do you remember
going out to dinner with her and to a movie? Answer?
I remember to a movie. I don't remember if we
went to dinner. I remember her cooking dinner. That was
another way she impressed me. She knew how to cook
like a chef. She had done some culinary training. Manager,
and you guys had a normal type conversation. Answer Yes,
it was very fun. Mcaulay objection, Manager, I would like
to take about a five to ten minute break. If
that's okay. They go to a break, and then they're
back at eleven twenty five. Right back at it, manager, Hi,
I believe when we left off, I was asking you
about massages that you gave to Glaine. Did Glenne pay
you when she got a massage? From you. Answer yes, Manager,
do you know how much she paid you? Answer? I
believe it was two hundred It was the going rate manager,
the same you were getting paid by Jeffrey. Correct answer, yes, Manager,
Glane was not present when you were giving massages to Jeffrey.
Correct McCauley, objection Schoberg correct, Menager. At some point Jeffrey
became more aggressive with you correct answer correct McCauley objection, Manager,
And what does that mean to you? Become more aggressive? Answer?
He was pressuring me to do more than I was
comfortable with doing, Menager. Is that what ultimately caused you
to leave working for Jeffrey? Answer? What caused me to
leave was when it was made public what I was doing, Menager,
What do you mean by that? Answer? Well, after I
had spoken with the police, report the police, and there
was a police report, I did not realize that was
public knowledge journalists would get a hold of. So at
one point the news Channel twelve showed up on my
door asking me questions, Manager, when Jeffrey was pressuring you
to do more than you felt comfortable with? Did you
observe him being more aggressive in general outside of the
massage context. McCauley objection show Burg. No, Menager, do you
know whether he was taking any type of steroids? Answer? No, Menager.
Did you ever see him wearing a patch or something
like that? Show Burg? I don't recall. Menager. Did you
tell anyone that Jeffrey was becoming more aggressive with you
contemporaneous with when it was happening? McCauley objection witness, No, Menager,
when Jeffrey asked you to do other things besides a
normal massage, did he offer to pay you additionally? Answer? Yes, manager,
how much? Answer one hundred dollars extra? Can I clarify, menager? Absolutely, answer,
he didn't never say he would pay me more, but
when the massage was more than just a massa and
it was sexual, then he would pay me more. Menager,
It wasn't a discussion, it's just what happened. Answer correct, Manager.
Thank you for clarifying. The things that took place with
you and Jeffrey behind closed doors were when you were
a consenting adult. Correct answer yes, McCauley objection witness, correct, Menager,
And you did not have knowledge of what took place
with other women behind closed doors and Jeffrey. Correct McCauley
objection Witness correct, Menager. Do you recall ever giving an
interview to a reporter from the Mail on Sunday? Answer yes, Manager,
you told that reporter. I believe that the police report
painted a picture that it was a big orgy all
the time, but it wasn't. Answer what I saw. I
did not see anything out in the open sexually me personally. Menager. Right,
you did not see orgies happening in the pool, for example.
Answer no, Menager, you did not see people engaging in
sexual conduct in the open areas of the home. Correct
answer right, McCauley objection, Menager. When you became aware of
the allegations against Jeffrey, those came as a surprise to you.
Correct McCauley objection witness, Correct, menager. And the surprise was
that it involved underage girls making that allegation. Correct McCauley,
objection witness, Correct, Menager. You were asked some questions with
Ms McCauley about nude photographs that were present in the
home or the homes. Answer yeah, Manager in Palm Beach,
I believe you said there were some in the room
where the massage table was. Answer yes, manager, Can you
tell me what you recall seeing? Answer it wasn't candid photos.
They were all like staged answer like a model. Answer yes,
and my I don't recall necessarily knowing any of the
people in those photos. I remember at one point there
was a photo of myself. But manager, were they fully
frontally nude or were they staged like with you know,
parts of the body showing? Answer I really only remember
topless photos. I don't remember full frontal photos menagers, so
exposing the breasts but not the genitals. Answer not that
I recall. And Glaine's bathroom, I believe there was a
photo of her topless or a painting. Menager a painting answer,
Uh huh, Menager. Did you see any nude or semi
clad photos of young girls? Answer no, Menager, preteens for example.
Answer no, Menager, something you would consider a child pornography?
Answer never, Menager. Other than in the bathroom or the
massage room at the pom Beach Home, do you recall
any other place in the pom Beach Home where you
saw any of these topless photos of women? Answer? I
remember there being photos everywhere, and the ones that stick
out in my memory are the ones. There was a
photo of Glaine with the Pope. It would not surprise
me if there were naked photos around, I just didn't
retain them in my memory. Menager. So when you say
there were photos everywhere, you mean just photos in general. Answer? Yes,
they had a lot of photos around the house. McCauley objection, Menager,
and Glaine was not topless in a photo with the pope,
just so I'm clear. Answer correct, Menager. I just want
to make sure that we get that record really clear.
So you recall there being photos everywhere, you just remember
a couple sticking out and your brain as being topless.
Answer yes, Menager. And the walls on the staircase to
the upstairs were not just covered with nude photographs to
your recollection. Answer to my recollection, I just I don't remember. Menager.
Did you observe what you would consider to be child
pornography on any computer in the home? Answer no, Manager.
Did you observe anyone taking photographs of young girls in
the home? Answer no, Menager. The photograph of yourself that
you saw, was that something that you had posed for? Answer?
Not like professionally, But I was just sitting and I
believe Jeffrey took the photo. I was just sitting on
a couch upstairs in the bathroom, Menager, it wasn't taken
by a hidden camera. Answer no, No, I was smiling
in the picture, Menager. And likewise, in the New York home,
did you see anything you described as a large painting
or a photograph that was in the massage room? Answer yes, Menager.
Do you recall any other pictures of semi clad or
naked females? Answer I don't recall, Menager, anything that you
would consider to be child pornography that you saw in
the New York Home. Answer no, Menager. And likewise in
New Mexico, answer I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall
seeing any semi clad photos in New Mexico at all?
Answer I do not recall, Menager and the Virgin Islands.
Answer yes, in his bathroom master bathroom. Answer and what
do you recall, if anything about that photo? Answer there
was a photo of me in there, Menager. And again,
was that something that you were okay with? Answer yes, Menager.
Jeffrey Epstein never told you that he knowingly had sexual
contact with an underage girl. Correct McAuley. Objection Schoberg. When
I asked him if the accusations were true, after I
spoke with the police. He said, yes, but they lied
about their age. Menager, how did that conversation come about? Answer?
He asked me if the police had ever spoken to me?
And I asked him if it was true, menager, and
you were talking about underage girls? Answer correct, Menager. And
he said that he had been lied to by those girls.
Answer yes, Menager. Did he say anything else to you
about it? Answer no? Menager. Did you ask him anything
else about it? Answer no, Menager. Did you attempt to
have any conversation like that with Glenne Maxwell? Answer no. Manager.
I saw one press report that said you had met
Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I did not meet them. No.
When I spoke about them, it was when I was
massaging him and he would get off. He would be
on the phone a lot of that time, and one
time he said, oh that was Leonardo or oh that
was Kate Blanchett or or Bruce Willis that kind of thing, manager,
is so name dropping? Answer? Yes, Manager, So you had
not met Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I have not. Manager.
Would you remember if you had? Answer I would hope
I would remember. Manager. Did you meet Cameron Diaz answer no. Manager.
Bill Clinton answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill Clinton
on the island? Answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill
Clinton in a helicopter being flown by Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, Manager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever tell you that she had flown
Bill Clinton in her helicopter? McAuley objection Shoberg, I don't
recall her saying that, Menager. Did you ever meet Senator redacted? Answer?
I don't know what he looks like. I might have
answer if I told you that he was from Maine?
Would that stick out in your mind? And just to
add here, they're obviously talking about George Mitchell? Answer it should,
but I don't recall meeting him. Manager. Do you ever
remember meeting prime minister? Who'd Barrock from Israel? Answer no? Manager.
Do you recall meeting the prime minister or any prime
minister's answer no Manager. Any foreign presidents answer no Manager.
Nobel Prize winners answer not to my knowledge. Manager, Naomi
Campbell answer no, Al Gore answer no, Alan Dershowitz answer no,
Les Wexner answer no. Tom Pritzker answer no. Kevin Spacey.
I may have already asked you, but have you met
Kevin Spacey answer no, Manager. Did you meet Governor Bill
Richardson of New Mexico? Answer hm, I want to say
that he was supposed to come to the dinner when
we were in New Mexico. I don't know if I
met him. I believe that he and Glaine had dinner
separate from myself. Manager Jean Luke Brunell Answer yes, manager,
you did meet him? Answer yes, Manager, tell me about it.
Answer he was just in the house at one time
in Palm Beach manager socializing answer yes, manager. Did you
observe him to be with underage girl? Answer? I don't recall. Menager,
did you give him a massage? Answer I don't think
that I did. I give a lot of guests massages.
I don't remember any of their names, so it could
have been any of those people besides the movie stars. Menager,
you would know? Answer exactly, menager. And did you engage
in sexual contact with any of the guests for whom
you gave a massage? Answer no. That's why he would
call me for his guests, because I was not comfortable
with the sexual contact, so he still wanted to employ
me as a massage therapist. But it was all normal
got to have a little bit of truth sprinkled in
with your lie. Right, Menager, So this was just an
actual conversation that you had. Answer no, But I noticed,
I noticed that I wasn't. I wasn't massaging him less
and less and massaging his guests more. Menager. So there
was a change in the frequency with which you were
giving Jeffrey Epstein massages. Answer right, Menager, and an increase
corresponding to massages giving to guests. Correct answer, yes, Manager.
Did any of the guests for whom you gave a
massage mentioned that they expected something sexual? Answer no, Manager,
Did they ask you to engage in sexual contact and
you refused? McCauley objection. The witness answers no. Back to menager,
how about Marvin Minsky? Answer I don't know, Manager, George
Lucas answer no. Manager Donald Trump answer no, Did you
ever massage Donald Trump? Answer no, Menager, Sorry, I have
to ask, but did you ever have sex with Alan
Dershowitz in the back of a limousine with Virginia and
Jeffrey President. McCauley objection. The witness absolutely not. Manager. Do
you know who Alan Dershowitz is? Answer? I do, Manager,
You would remember. Answer, I would remember that manager. Did
you ever see Virginia Roberts with any of the people
that I just asked you about? Answer no, Manager. Did
Virginia ever talk to you about having been with any
of those people? Miss McCaulay objection, answer no, Manager. Did
she tell you that she had met any of those people?
Answer no. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there,
and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
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