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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left

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off with a Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's get right

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back to it, shall we. Manager, Do you recall a

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meeting with her in about two thousand and six when

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she was in town for some helicopter training? Answer? I

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do recall that. Manager. Do you recall giving her some

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massages during that period? Answer yes? Manager. Do you remember

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going out to dinner with her and to a movie? Answer?

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I remember to a movie. I don't remember if we

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went to dinner. I remember her cooking dinner. That was

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another way she impressed me. She knew how to cook

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like a chef. She had done some culinary training. Manager,

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and you guys had a normal type conversation. Answer Yes,

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it was very fun. Mcaulay objection, Manager, I would like

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to take about a five to ten minute break. If

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that's okay. They go to a break, and then they're

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back at eleven twenty five. Right back at it, manager, Hi,

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I believe when we left off, I was asking you

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about massages that you gave to Glaine. Did Glenne pay

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you when she got a massage? From you. Answer yes, Manager,

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do you know how much she paid you? Answer? I

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believe it was two hundred It was the going rate manager,

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the same you were getting paid by Jeffrey. Correct answer, yes, Manager,

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Glane was not present when you were giving massages to Jeffrey.

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Correct McCauley, objection Schoberg correct, Menager. At some point Jeffrey

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became more aggressive with you correct answer correct McCauley objection, Manager,

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And what does that mean to you? Become more aggressive? Answer?

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He was pressuring me to do more than I was

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comfortable with doing, Menager. Is that what ultimately caused you

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to leave working for Jeffrey? Answer? What caused me to

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leave was when it was made public what I was doing, Menager,

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What do you mean by that? Answer? Well, after I

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had spoken with the police, report the police, and there

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was a police report, I did not realize that was

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public knowledge journalists would get a hold of. So at

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one point the news Channel twelve showed up on my

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door asking me questions, Manager, when Jeffrey was pressuring you

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to do more than you felt comfortable with? Did you

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observe him being more aggressive in general outside of the

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massage context. McCauley objection show Burg. No, Menager, do you

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know whether he was taking any type of steroids? Answer? No, Menager.

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Did you ever see him wearing a patch or something

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like that? Show Burg? I don't recall. Menager. Did you

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tell anyone that Jeffrey was becoming more aggressive with you

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contemporaneous with when it was happening? McCauley objection witness, No, Menager,

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when Jeffrey asked you to do other things besides a

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normal massage, did he offer to pay you additionally? Answer? Yes, manager,

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how much? Answer one hundred dollars extra? Can I clarify, menager? Absolutely, answer,

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he didn't never say he would pay me more, but

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when the massage was more than just a massa and

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it was sexual, then he would pay me more. Menager,

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It wasn't a discussion, it's just what happened. Answer correct, Manager.

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Thank you for clarifying. The things that took place with

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you and Jeffrey behind closed doors were when you were

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a consenting adult. Correct answer yes, McCauley objection witness, correct, Menager,

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And you did not have knowledge of what took place

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with other women behind closed doors and Jeffrey. Correct McCauley

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objection Witness correct, Menager. Do you recall ever giving an

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interview to a reporter from the Mail on Sunday? Answer yes, Manager,

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you told that reporter. I believe that the police report

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painted a picture that it was a big orgy all

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the time, but it wasn't. Answer what I saw. I

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did not see anything out in the open sexually me personally. Menager. Right,

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you did not see orgies happening in the pool, for example.

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Answer no, Menager, you did not see people engaging in

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sexual conduct in the open areas of the home. Correct

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answer right, McCauley objection, Menager. When you became aware of

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the allegations against Jeffrey, those came as a surprise to you.

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Correct McCauley objection witness, Correct, menager. And the surprise was

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that it involved underage girls making that allegation. Correct McCauley,

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objection witness, Correct, Menager. You were asked some questions with

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Ms McCauley about nude photographs that were present in the

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home or the homes. Answer yeah, Manager in Palm Beach,

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I believe you said there were some in the room

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where the massage table was. Answer yes, manager, Can you

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tell me what you recall seeing? Answer it wasn't candid photos.

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They were all like staged answer like a model. Answer yes,

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and my I don't recall necessarily knowing any of the

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people in those photos. I remember at one point there

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was a photo of myself. But manager, were they fully

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frontally nude or were they staged like with you know,

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parts of the body showing? Answer I really only remember

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topless photos. I don't remember full frontal photos menagers, so

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exposing the breasts but not the genitals. Answer not that

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I recall. And Glaine's bathroom, I believe there was a

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photo of her topless or a painting. Menager a painting answer,

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Uh huh, Menager. Did you see any nude or semi

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clad photos of young girls? Answer no, Menager, preteens for example.

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Answer no, Menager, something you would consider a child pornography?

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Answer never, Menager. Other than in the bathroom or the

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massage room at the pom Beach Home, do you recall

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any other place in the pom Beach Home where you

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saw any of these topless photos of women? Answer? I

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remember there being photos everywhere, and the ones that stick

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out in my memory are the ones. There was a

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photo of Glaine with the Pope. It would not surprise

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me if there were naked photos around, I just didn't

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retain them in my memory. Menager. So when you say

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there were photos everywhere, you mean just photos in general. Answer? Yes,

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they had a lot of photos around the house. McCauley objection, Menager,

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and Glaine was not topless in a photo with the pope,

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just so I'm clear. Answer correct, Menager. I just want

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to make sure that we get that record really clear.

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So you recall there being photos everywhere, you just remember

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a couple sticking out and your brain as being topless.

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Answer yes, Menager. And the walls on the staircase to

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the upstairs were not just covered with nude photographs to

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your recollection. Answer to my recollection, I just I don't remember. Menager.

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Did you observe what you would consider to be child

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pornography on any computer in the home? Answer no, Manager.

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Did you observe anyone taking photographs of young girls in

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the home? Answer no, Menager. The photograph of yourself that

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you saw, was that something that you had posed for? Answer?

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Not like professionally, But I was just sitting and I

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believe Jeffrey took the photo. I was just sitting on

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a couch upstairs in the bathroom, Menager, it wasn't taken

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by a hidden camera. Answer no, No, I was smiling

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in the picture, Menager. And likewise, in the New York home,

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did you see anything you described as a large painting

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or a photograph that was in the massage room? Answer yes, Menager.

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Do you recall any other pictures of semi clad or

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naked females? Answer I don't recall, Menager, anything that you

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would consider to be child pornography that you saw in

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the New York Home. Answer no, Menager. And likewise in

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New Mexico, answer I don't recall, Menager. Do you recall

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seeing any semi clad photos in New Mexico at all?

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Answer I do not recall, Menager and the Virgin Islands.

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Answer yes, in his bathroom master bathroom. Answer and what

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do you recall, if anything about that photo? Answer there

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was a photo of me in there, Menager. And again,

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was that something that you were okay with? Answer yes, Menager.

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Jeffrey Epstein never told you that he knowingly had sexual

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contact with an underage girl. Correct McAuley. Objection Schoberg. When

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I asked him if the accusations were true, after I

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spoke with the police. He said, yes, but they lied

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about their age. Menager, how did that conversation come about? Answer?

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He asked me if the police had ever spoken to me?

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And I asked him if it was true, menager, and

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you were talking about underage girls? Answer correct, Menager. And

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he said that he had been lied to by those girls.

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Answer yes, Menager. Did he say anything else to you

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about it? Answer no? Menager. Did you ask him anything

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else about it? Answer no, Menager. Did you attempt to

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have any conversation like that with Glenne Maxwell? Answer no. Manager.

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I saw one press report that said you had met

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Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I did not meet them. No.

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When I spoke about them, it was when I was

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massaging him and he would get off. He would be

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on the phone a lot of that time, and one

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time he said, oh that was Leonardo or oh that

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was Kate Blanchett or or Bruce Willis that kind of thing, manager,

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is so name dropping? Answer? Yes, Manager, So you had

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not met Kate Blanchett or Leonardo DiCaprio. Answer I have not. Manager.

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Would you remember if you had? Answer I would hope

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I would remember. Manager. Did you meet Cameron Diaz answer no. Manager.

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Bill Clinton answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill Clinton

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on the island? Answer no, Manager. Did you see Bill

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Clinton in a helicopter being flown by Glenn Maxwell? Answer no, Manager.

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Did Glenn Maxwell ever tell you that she had flown

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Bill Clinton in her helicopter? McAuley objection Shoberg, I don't

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recall her saying that, Menager. Did you ever meet Senator redacted? Answer?

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I don't know what he looks like. I might have

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answer if I told you that he was from Maine?

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Would that stick out in your mind? And just to

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add here, they're obviously talking about George Mitchell? Answer it should,

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but I don't recall meeting him. Manager. Do you ever

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remember meeting prime minister? Who'd Barrock from Israel? Answer no? Manager.

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Do you recall meeting the prime minister or any prime

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minister's answer no Manager. Any foreign presidents answer no Manager.

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Nobel Prize winners answer not to my knowledge. Manager, Naomi

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Campbell answer no, Al Gore answer no, Alan Dershowitz answer no,

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Les Wexner answer no. Tom Pritzker answer no. Kevin Spacey.

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I may have already asked you, but have you met

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Kevin Spacey answer no, Manager. Did you meet Governor Bill

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Richardson of New Mexico? Answer hm, I want to say

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that he was supposed to come to the dinner when

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we were in New Mexico. I don't know if I

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met him. I believe that he and Glaine had dinner

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separate from myself. Manager Jean Luke Brunell Answer yes, manager,

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you did meet him? Answer yes, Manager, tell me about it.

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Answer he was just in the house at one time

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in Palm Beach manager socializing answer yes, manager. Did you

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observe him to be with underage girl? Answer? I don't recall. Menager,

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did you give him a massage? Answer I don't think

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that I did. I give a lot of guests massages.

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I don't remember any of their names, so it could

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have been any of those people besides the movie stars. Menager,

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you would know? Answer exactly, menager. And did you engage

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in sexual contact with any of the guests for whom

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you gave a massage? Answer no. That's why he would

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call me for his guests, because I was not comfortable

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with the sexual contact, so he still wanted to employ

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me as a massage therapist. But it was all normal

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got to have a little bit of truth sprinkled in

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with your lie. Right, Menager, So this was just an

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actual conversation that you had. Answer no, But I noticed,

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I noticed that I wasn't. I wasn't massaging him less

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and less and massaging his guests more. Menager. So there

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was a change in the frequency with which you were

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giving Jeffrey Epstein massages. Answer right, Menager, and an increase

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corresponding to massages giving to guests. Correct answer, yes, Manager.

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Did any of the guests for whom you gave a

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massage mentioned that they expected something sexual? Answer no, Manager,

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Did they ask you to engage in sexual contact and

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you refused? McCauley objection. The witness answers no. Back to menager,

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how about Marvin Minsky? Answer I don't know, Manager, George

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Lucas answer no. Manager Donald Trump answer no, Did you

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ever massage Donald Trump? Answer no, Menager, Sorry, I have

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to ask, but did you ever have sex with Alan

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Dershowitz in the back of a limousine with Virginia and

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Jeffrey President. McCauley objection. The witness absolutely not. Manager. Do

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you know who Alan Dershowitz is? Answer? I do, Manager,

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You would remember. Answer, I would remember that manager. Did

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you ever see Virginia Roberts with any of the people

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that I just asked you about? Answer no, Manager. Did

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Virginia ever talk to you about having been with any

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of those people? Miss McCaulay objection, answer no, Manager. Did

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she tell you that she had met any of those people?

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Answer no. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there,

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and in the next episode we'll pick up where we

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