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Speaker 1: with all that down, we have a returning guest philosopher, researcher, educator,
Speaker 1: spiritual teacher, and visionary on occult and esoteric studies, Wayne Steger.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you again, my friend.
Speaker 2: Hey Roder. How you doing, buddy? Oh?
Speaker 1: Doing great?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I think I think things are really looking up right now.
Speaker 2: I think things are times and you know, regardless of
Speaker 2: how wild it is, it's it's it's a good vibe.
Speaker 1: It does. It feels good. We got RFK in the
Speaker 1: in the Senate going after Bernie Sanders. Did you see
Speaker 1: that clip?
Speaker 2: It was classic, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: I think Bernie Sanders probably like I don't know how
Speaker 2: many how much time he's got left here, but his
Speaker 2: stress level was like.
Speaker 1: He couldn't handle it. He was like, oh it was
Speaker 1: one point five million, No, it was more like two
Speaker 1: hundred million.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's, you know, a little off topic.
Speaker 2: But this these confirmation hearings, I mean, it's good quality entertainment.
Speaker 2: I mean it is because we got idiots there are
Speaker 2: idiots that are are making policy and laws, and I
Speaker 2: keep asking myself, how did these people get elected, much
Speaker 2: less re elected?
Speaker 1: And you got Tulci Gabbert up there as well, and
Speaker 1: she's going off on them. Yeah, I think that if
Speaker 1: it doesn't, I think people are looking for this complete
Speaker 1: one eighty change, and I'm like, that's not the way
Speaker 1: that this stuff works. It's like a slow process, Like
Speaker 1: you just can't take care of everything all at one time,
Speaker 1: Like you have to get the people in there, and
Speaker 1: then good honest people in there, and then they have
Speaker 1: to stay in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know. And the problem is
Speaker 2: is that since Obama our government, it's it's legal to
Speaker 2: lie to us, and the government does lie to us.
Speaker 2: The other day on Alex Jones, he brought out the
Speaker 2: fact that remember nine to eleven, when Donald Runsfield came
Speaker 2: out the day before in September tenth and said that
Speaker 2: the Pentagon had failed the audit and there was some
Speaker 2: like nine ten trillion dollars that they couldn't account for.
Speaker 2: That pails in comparison to what has now been known
Speaker 2: through the first Trump Biden and now with a second
Speaker 2: Trump administration, apparently through Hud and the Department of Defense.
Speaker 2: They now can account for twenty one trillion dollars. I
Speaker 2: mean this, and it's coming out that apparently virtually every
Speaker 2: government agency failed their audits.
Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever passed anout it. I was
Speaker 1: actually I was looking this up the other day, and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they've always failed. I don't think
Speaker 1: they've ever passed. They might have passed like one or
Speaker 1: two times in the history of it being there, but
Speaker 1: it's very few. You fail every year.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out, what do you do? Where
Speaker 2: do you put twenty one trillion dollars? What do you what?
Speaker 2: Can you buy what Greenland?
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna buy Canada, baby in Canada and Greenland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly what we need, you know. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it's uh, it's very interesting times. But as you said, uh,
Speaker 2: the energy is positive. I mean I got to be
Speaker 2: candid with you know, Biden was just a real drag.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's like the person at the
Speaker 2: party that can bring everybody down, regardless of how high
Speaker 2: the vibe was.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like who and fight.
Speaker 1: It that guy bringing everyone. Uh, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: About like energy. Like if you come in with like
Speaker 1: good energy, like you automatically hype everybody up. But if
Speaker 1: you come in and you're sad and like downtrodden, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna inevitably affect everybody else in the room.
Speaker 2: Suck the air right out of the room.
Speaker 1: You got that right, That's what That's what a real
Speaker 1: energy vampire is to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And then they do exist, they really do.
Speaker 1: I think we've all experienced it. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the people that just suck the error completely out of
Speaker 1: a room, and it's just like you can't stand to
Speaker 1: be around that person. You got to like get away
Speaker 1: of how that happened. So many times.
Speaker 2: I've been a CEO of a number of software companies
Speaker 2: and and I can tell you by experience when you
Speaker 2: make a bad hire because when you make and in
Speaker 2: evidently because they don't show it when you're they're going
Speaker 2: through the process, but man, you're right, they can just
Speaker 2: literally like that change the whole dynamics of of everybody else.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's real.
Speaker 1: Well really quickly before we get into the discussion at hand,
Speaker 1: I was talking with David Dubaian the other day on Monday,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about Antarctica, and I had this book,
Speaker 1: Here is the Reader's Digest Antarctica, and I got it
Speaker 1: from a thrift store and I was reading through it
Speaker 1: at the thrift store, and I had this section on
Speaker 1: Operation high Jump. You know, with Admirald Bird, I know
Speaker 1: that you're familiar with the story. I'm pretty sure everyone
Speaker 1: in the community is familiar with the story. And I
Speaker 1: was reading through it and there was a section where
Speaker 1: it's talked about how Antarctica had this area that was
Speaker 1: like lush with like greenery, and there was lakes and
Speaker 1: like all this, and they discovered it, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find the passage whenever I had them on, but I
Speaker 1: said that I would bring it up later on, and
Speaker 1: I do, and I did find the passage, and here
Speaker 1: it is. So on the eleventh of February, a flight
Speaker 1: from Western Group made what became the most widely publicized
Speaker 1: discovery of Operation High Jump, a snow free oasis in
Speaker 1: the Bunger Hills. This barren patch of no free rock
Speaker 1: dotted with lakes, covers an area of two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty square kilometers one hundred square miles. Some of the
Speaker 1: lakes were large enough for landing, and a few days
Speaker 1: later a party visited the area to make a pulmonary exclamation,
Speaker 1: and Discovery calls a minor international sensation after so, I
Speaker 1: have it so small on my screen it's difficult for
Speaker 1: me to read it. After a Navy press release spoke
Speaker 1: of the Shangri La and reported erroneously that the vegetation
Speaker 1: had been seen. So I thought this was super interesting.
Speaker 1: I was like, what does this even mean? And there's
Speaker 1: been so much you know, secrecy around Antarctica, and I
Speaker 1: was like, when I was reading this, I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe this is the reason why they don't want people
Speaker 1: flying over Antartica. And there's just like no fly order
Speaker 1: there is because there's this like barren like patch of
Speaker 1: land and they're like studying it to figure out exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. But this that's from the the chapter
Speaker 1: of Operation High Jump in this book, the Reader's Digest
Speaker 1: on Antarctica. But I just wanted to bring that up
Speaker 1: really quickly because I brought it up in the in
Speaker 1: the show before so.
Speaker 2: Well, and you got the subsequent UFO battle that you
Speaker 2: know occurred when we had basically I forget how many
Speaker 2: ships were down there, but yeah, and then they are
Speaker 2: contending that the saucer like craft came up, you know,
Speaker 2: out of the water, and uh, we're actually using and
Speaker 2: I quote beams of light or ray beams and apparently
Speaker 2: did some serious damage on our ships. Yeah, excuse me,
Speaker 2: the Nazi swatsticka were on these crafts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been the whole thing. Because then I'm a
Speaker 1: Bird apparently went to South America and made the statement
Speaker 1: to the press there that we got to be prepared
Speaker 1: to fight something that can go from pole to pole
Speaker 1: in the matter of minutes or something like that. But
Speaker 1: I just thought that was so interesting that it should
Speaker 1: and this is the only paragraph on it and in
Speaker 1: the whole book, like and it's just kind of there
Speaker 1: and then it's gone, like they don't mention anything else
Speaker 1: about it, and I'm like, holy crap, like they just
Speaker 1: sneak this in here, because I'd never heard anyone ever
Speaker 1: mentioned this or ever talk about this before that there's
Speaker 1: this patch of Antarctica that's lush and has greenery and
Speaker 1: there's lakes, and it's like, you know, like.
Speaker 2: A question date of that book is it a seventies
Speaker 2: or eighties or there's.
Speaker 1: Been a bunch of ones on.
Speaker 2: Our Reader dies just right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Reader Digest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me look at them. Back in the day,
Speaker 2: I is to enter into the Reader Digest sweepstakes, you know,
Speaker 2: Publishers clearing House, we take exactly now. Was Ed McMahon ever,
Speaker 2: the spokesperson for you know, the publisher's clearing House.
Speaker 1: This was published in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Okay, twenty five years old, so a quarter of a century.
Speaker 2: It was really pre AI, so pre Mandela effect. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll find by the way, very cool.
Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, I've seen it and I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this is interesting, and then just opened it up and
Speaker 1: then started reading it and I was like, oh, operation
Speaker 1: I jump and read about this about boys, see what
Speaker 1: they got to say in this thing, Because sometimes you
Speaker 1: can find really cool things and like older books that
Speaker 1: you're not be able to find. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that that was a gym you got there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when it comes to like this this AI stuff,
Speaker 1: because we're really getting into this whole idea where things
Speaker 1: are going to be completely we're not going to know
Speaker 1: what's real and what's not real, which that's already a
Speaker 1: problem that's already been a problem for a really long
Speaker 1: time with the media. Influences, and you know, Telsea Gabbert
Speaker 1: is kind of touching on that as well at the
Speaker 1: Centate hearings, and we seem to be inching closer and
Speaker 1: closer to this point where it's like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: let's just start with because I titled this while I
Speaker 1: made it in the thumbnail, you know, about humanity, and
Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of confused on exactly what it means
Speaker 1: to actually be a human. I don't know what we
Speaker 1: even like classify that as Like what do what do
Speaker 1: we even consider a human to be? Is a human
Speaker 1: someone that stands up on two legs and has thumbs
Speaker 1: and fingers and stuff. Is it our consciousness? Is it
Speaker 1: like our soul? Is it like our body? Like what
Speaker 1: even classifies people to be human?
Speaker 2: Well, according to the Human Genome the Project, you know,
Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, when they broke the code,
Speaker 2: their study that they released I think this was in
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, that through nearly five six years of going
Speaker 2: through the DNA code that they were able to break into,
Speaker 2: so to speak, they say there are no humans. We're
Speaker 2: all hybrids. So who knows when the last human was
Speaker 2: actually here? I mean this gets into you know, the
Speaker 2: you know, eschatology of things, you know, the theology of things.
Speaker 2: But if in fact, let's say that Genesis six happened,
Speaker 2: that there were these aliens. They described them from their
Speaker 2: mindset as angels, and they came down. They were not
Speaker 2: human to begin with, but it said that theyasically took
Speaker 2: women and mate it with them. Well that is and
Speaker 2: the and the offspring of that were the nephlin, the giants.
Speaker 2: And if that is true, and there is you know,
Speaker 2: gargauism in our DNA, then our bloodline was contaminated. They
Speaker 2: were anyone born after that would have not been human.
Speaker 2: It would have been a mixture of another foreign DNA.
Speaker 2: So uh, Tennis, Hello Will. She wrote a book and
Speaker 2: it's really interesting. She says that there's twenty two different
Speaker 2: human hybrids currently on the planet.
Speaker 1: But that begs the question, like just because we're on
Speaker 1: Earth that makes us a human? Like what if someone
Speaker 1: looks identical to us? Like what if there's infinite amount
Speaker 1: of copies of people that look identically to as walk upright,
Speaker 1: you know, have fingers of posable thumbs and they can
Speaker 1: build things. Because I think that that's a really good
Speaker 1: explanation of what a human is is that we can
Speaker 1: like make things, We can build things like no other
Speaker 1: animal in the animal kingdom can really build things because
Speaker 1: they don't have a posable thumb. Maybe like besides, like
Speaker 1: apes and chimpanzees and stuff like that, they have opposable thumbs,
Speaker 1: where can they can put things together? But what if
Speaker 1: there are beings on other planets that are identical to us,
Speaker 1: would they still be considered human?
Speaker 2: Well? Wait, I kind of look at it. We may
Speaker 2: be the only bipedal of our kind because to replicate
Speaker 2: us would mean you'd need an environment and a planet
Speaker 2: that would have virtually the identical pressure, the identical type
Speaker 2: of gases in the atmosphere that we depend on. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's if that's the case. But
Speaker 2: the Grays they're bipedals or so, you know, I've never
Speaker 2: met one, but I've been told, yeah, maybe maybe we're
Speaker 2: a again, a branch of a much broader group of
Speaker 2: what would be considered Hugh Man, you know that there
Speaker 2: would be well like Neanderthals or let's just say bigfoot sasquatch,
Speaker 2: so many other different things that's in in folklore. Are
Speaker 2: they just an extension of a central gene that somehow
Speaker 2: another that we are able to walk erect and have
Speaker 2: a cranium and a body associated with it. I think
Speaker 2: there's a and as you're talking, my mind's going to
Speaker 2: mile a minute that think of about the Greeks. They
Speaker 2: believed that there were species on this planet that were
Speaker 2: half animal half human. I mean, in the Bookstics it
Speaker 2: said that God initially made Adam a helpmate. Well, that
Speaker 2: word helpmate means sexual partner as well, so man was
Speaker 2: having relationships with animals. Is it possible that there really
Speaker 2: was a time on Earth where there were these variations
Speaker 2: of us? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, then you look at well you relate this to AI,
Speaker 1: like if we were able to because I think that
Speaker 1: the visual aspect of a human being is what a
Speaker 1: lot of people get in their perception as being human.
Speaker 1: So if you had something that looked identical to you,
Speaker 1: you really wouldn't be able to tell the difference. So
Speaker 1: if we built a you know, a synthetic robot, it's
Speaker 1: kind of what that movie what is the name of
Speaker 1: that movie? Not Extinction. That's another really good one though
Speaker 1: on Netflix. Extinction. This is the one where they have
Speaker 1: like the weird thing in the back of their head
Speaker 1: where they you know that they look like you know
Speaker 1: that they're robots, but just like well, if they look
Speaker 1: almost identical to us but they're not really flesh and
Speaker 1: blood like us, then it kind of gets into the
Speaker 1: rights thing of like, you know, are robots going to
Speaker 1: have rights? Are we going to treat them like humans?
Speaker 1: And if they look visually exactly identically like us and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, then it's
Speaker 1: almost like they would be considered a human just based
Speaker 1: off of the perception that you have of them.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't the theventuator? And I know that scientists and
Speaker 2: technologists and even philosophers that where we look at AI, robotics, transhumanism,
Speaker 2: that what will keep that separate is the fact that
Speaker 2: what makes us human we have empathy, and empathy is
Speaker 2: not something that we seem to be able to create.
Speaker 2: It's something that's it's remarkably unique to humans. I mean,
Speaker 2: animals show a certain empathy, but it's nothing compared to
Speaker 2: what we do. So yeah, but see, I contend that
Speaker 2: AI is far more than what most people realize. I
Speaker 2: have contended well then on YouTube of my channel for
Speaker 2: you know, ten and a half years, But I started
Speaker 2: out a decade ago telling people that this day was coming.
Speaker 2: And the great thing about YouTube becomes a video library
Speaker 2: of you. And I contend that AI may be much
Speaker 2: older than what we think, and that if the ultimate
Speaker 2: endgame for AI is what is it the betterment of humanity?
Speaker 2: Or is it something maybe more nefarious than what we
Speaker 2: could imagine. I mean, for instance AI. With AI, there's
Speaker 2: no privacy. And if there's no privacy, then where is
Speaker 2: their individuality? Much more than to say that you have
Speaker 2: the all seen I on twenty four to seven, everything
Speaker 2: you do is being watched, recorded, analyzed. See that sounds
Speaker 2: more like enslavement than it does freedom.
Speaker 1: Well, why aren't they given me better ads on Facebook
Speaker 1: and on X and on Instagram? Okay, data? Why are
Speaker 1: they giving me nothing but stuff that I am not
Speaker 1: interested in at all?
Speaker 2: It's a it's a rebell you look, can I say
Speaker 2: it's a rogue AI program?
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a good question though, like why
Speaker 1: if they have all this data and all this information,
Speaker 1: which I think that all the apps are eventually all
Speaker 1: the social media apps are eventually going to turn it
Speaker 1: into pay based systems, Like you're going to have to
Speaker 1: pay to use them. That's where I believe that it's heading.
Speaker 2: It's actually reverse what the Internet was supposed to be.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. But now that they have all of
Speaker 1: our data, and they have all the information that they
Speaker 1: need from us, and they have all of the the
Speaker 1: AI duplicate copies of us in this virtual world, they
Speaker 1: have really no use of it being free anymore because
Speaker 1: they've already got all the info that they need. So
Speaker 1: now they got to figure out a way to make
Speaker 1: profit because they've already sold all of the data. So
Speaker 1: now they're going to make you pay for it so
Speaker 1: that they can continue to make money. That's what I
Speaker 1: personally think that that's going to happen. So you're going
Speaker 1: to be paying money for Facebook, You're going to be
Speaker 1: paying money for Instagram, You're going to be paying money.
Speaker 1: You're already paying money for X So it's going to
Speaker 1: become this this pay system, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: try and trick you and say, oh, well, it's going
Speaker 1: to remove whenever you pay for it, is going to
Speaker 1: remove all all of the ads and stuff. You're no
Speaker 1: longer going to have ads. But that's literally all that
Speaker 1: I see on Facebook anymore, Like I don't even see
Speaker 1: anyone's posts anymore.
Speaker 2: Creactivity. I mean, if it's all behind a paywall, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe that's AI's plan to keep us preoccupied, is with
Speaker 2: something like that, Because again, what is the real purpose
Speaker 2: of AI? And so often when we see it's say A,
Speaker 2: we think of a singularity, but actually AI is a
Speaker 2: billion different algorithms out there, and those algorithms are rated
Speaker 2: by their intelligence. You've got the real stupid one which
Speaker 2: most there's not much detailed interaction, but then you've got
Speaker 2: those AI programs that are classified as super intelligent and
Speaker 2: they require warehouse type servers and environmentally controlled I mean,
Speaker 2: look at what Stargate project is. I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: looking for a job in the construction trades, Abilene, Texas
Speaker 2: is where you should be at. It is a boomtown
Speaker 2: down there. They're going to be building, oh one report
Speaker 2: I said, over twenty to thirty million square foot buildings
Speaker 2: to hous the the computers in this Stargate project, and
Speaker 2: that it's going to require this huge amount of energy,
Speaker 2: and so they're building on site. Like I said, it's
Speaker 2: a complete boom down there. If you're a real estate speculator,
Speaker 2: you're probably a little bit late. But yeah, so what
Speaker 2: is the purpose of stargate. It's nothing more than an enslaver.
Speaker 2: It's debate. You said something about they got all of
Speaker 2: our data. Actually I would add to that, we actually
Speaker 2: provide them new data by how we react to stimuli,
Speaker 2: and that what makes us so complex as humans. We
Speaker 2: can be faced with the same type of stimuli reaction,
Speaker 2: whether it be feared, joy, or whatever. But even within
Speaker 2: those parameters, we have a multiple ways that we react
Speaker 2: to it. I mean, joy is not joy. I mean
Speaker 2: you can be like really freaking excited, or you can
Speaker 2: become you know, or off.
Speaker 1: That's right. They're also tracking what you look at, what
Speaker 1: you react to, how long you look out a video.
Speaker 1: The statistics is all there, and you know what kind
Speaker 1: of reaction you put as well. Is it a thumbs up,
Speaker 1: is it a heart react, is it a laugh react?
Speaker 1: You know, And that's where like this outrage type of
Speaker 1: behavior comes in as well. So people will they'll purposely
Speaker 1: put something out there that they know is going to
Speaker 1: get a big reaction. So it doesn't matter if it's
Speaker 1: that they know that they shouldn't put it out there,
Speaker 1: they're putting it out there for controversy. So therefore it
Speaker 1: accumulates all of these views and comments, regardless if they
Speaker 1: are super negative comments or if they're good comments, because
Speaker 1: normally super to negative comments actually boost up your post
Speaker 1: or your whatever it is that you're posting on social media.
Speaker 1: I see that literally all the time, where they'll just
Speaker 1: take like a clip and then they'll put it out
Speaker 1: there and it'll be something super controversial, and the person
Speaker 1: that's posting it literally legitimately does not care. They're like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: I just throw this up here, and then everyone will
Speaker 1: keep upvoting the posts because they're common and all kinds
Speaker 1: of negative stuff.
Speaker 2: And I guess you know a little older, but to me,
Speaker 2: this is becoming very frightening. There were movies like Logan's Ron,
Speaker 2: you know, THHX eleven thirty eight and others that where
Speaker 2: we become a surveiled society, and where I come out
Speaker 2: of the film and video when I before I got
Speaker 2: into computers. And what I see take place now is
Speaker 2: that this is the ultimate data collector, and we're all
Speaker 2: into this thing. It's everywhere. I mean, it may be
Speaker 2: an independent program or algorithm, but once it gathers the
Speaker 2: data that it's collecting on us. And even when we
Speaker 2: think we're private and a loan, we're not. If you
Speaker 2: got your smartphone, it's listening. If you watch television, it's watching.
Speaker 2: And to me, it's like the only thing lacking now
Speaker 2: is for it to be able to get inside our
Speaker 2: bodies in a way to share. And that is the
Speaker 2: next part. The Stargate project is part of that. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you heard what Larry Ellison was saying
Speaker 2: what he visions this Stargate project to do. He brought
Speaker 2: up healthcare and as he said, imagine right now the
Speaker 2: healthcare in America, because of whether it's one administration or not,
Speaker 2: it's messed up. And so you have to wait in
Speaker 2: some cases six months to see a specialist, to see
Speaker 2: a general practitioner, sometimes you have to wait six seven
Speaker 2: weeks to get an appointment. Then if there's suspected to
Speaker 2: be something wrong, then you have to have your primary
Speaker 2: physician reach out to a specialist to make a recommendation
Speaker 2: that the insurance company has to then improve. And then
Speaker 2: if you get to see the specialist, and that's what's
Speaker 2: the point. And as he said, with Stargate, now you're
Speaker 2: going to be able to have your smartphone device and
Speaker 2: you can literally scan yourself and AI the stargate that's
Speaker 2: behind a stargate project, it will be able to make
Speaker 2: a diagnosis. Furthermore, it will be able to get a
Speaker 2: sample of your bloods, your DNA, and in doing that,
Speaker 2: get this, this is where by people are going to
Speaker 2: go for this. You. It will be able to not
Speaker 2: only design and create, but make a special vaccine only
Speaker 2: for you. It won't work on anyone else but you.
Speaker 2: That that's what you. So people will say, well that
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. People are going to be able
Speaker 2: to live longer, more healthier. Yes, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: think about the compromise has had to be made on that.
Speaker 2: Now AI has you literally you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of. I don't really know what to
Speaker 1: think about that because in a way, being able to
Speaker 1: scan your body and make an act because doctors get
Speaker 1: things wrong all the time, because they're human, right, they
Speaker 1: get things. I mean, I really think kind of and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going out on a limb here, but
Speaker 1: I think that their main purpose there is to put
Speaker 1: something on someone so that they can then sell them
Speaker 1: the medication and the things to like make them better.
Speaker 1: When they might not even really be sick. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's been a thing with cancer for a really long time.
Speaker 1: Several doctors have been caught up with a falsely telling
Speaker 1: patients that they have cancer and they go through chemo
Speaker 1: radiation and then they find out that they never had
Speaker 1: cancer to begin with. That is one factual Google that
Speaker 1: look that up, type that in. It's been happening for
Speaker 1: a really long time. So maybe this could be a
Speaker 1: way that you know that they would get an accurate
Speaker 1: diagnosis with this type.
Speaker 2: Of thing resolutionary, as Allison said, you know, because this
Speaker 2: they're intels designing the chips for this. That's what these
Speaker 2: plans are doing down an applen But think about this
Speaker 2: the upside economically on this. So healthcare right now is
Speaker 2: continuing to increase at double digits each year, and this
Speaker 2: will then begin to revolutionize healthcare because a number one,
Speaker 2: you're going to not need as many doctors. You will
Speaker 2: need medical support, but not actual doctors. Furthermore, with AI
Speaker 2: collecting this data, AI is also involved in the healthcare
Speaker 2: so insurance companies. Now you're going to have an AI
Speaker 2: system that cannot only make the diagnosis, it can make
Speaker 2: the recommendation, and it can also set the schedule. I
Speaker 2: don't need this healthcare industry anymore. I don't need the
Speaker 2: data entry people, I don't need the customer service people.
Speaker 2: I can eliminate a virtual whole industry. Because listen, the
Speaker 2: trade off is this, you will be able to have
Speaker 2: virtually free healthcare and it will be more accurate, it
Speaker 2: will be more targeted to you. Where's the downside to that?
Speaker 2: But I contend there is a real downside to that
Speaker 2: because if AI are even a algorithm, has your DNA? Now,
Speaker 2: a lot of people who have taken you what's your ancestry,
Speaker 2: that's your DNA, Someone's got your DNA. In fact, one
Speaker 2: of the companies are about to delete a lot of
Speaker 2: the data. But my point is is that that data
Speaker 2: is incredible because each and every one of us we
Speaker 2: have unique DNA that is unique to us. And if
Speaker 2: you look at this from a technologist point, it is
Speaker 2: theorized that the DNA that us humans carry, whether they
Speaker 2: say life but talking human here, that it's so deep,
Speaker 2: it's so vast that it would take a super intelligent
Speaker 2: AI program to even begin to decode all the potential information.
Speaker 2: Now is that information? Do we store the very knowledge
Speaker 2: of the first creation. We obviously carry something within us
Speaker 2: that makes us unique. And how far does that go back?
Speaker 2: How unique is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that. It's a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: a good thing that just for the sharecase of accuracy.
Speaker 1: But they already have a lot of our DNA, like one,
Speaker 1: if you've ever been to a hospital, oh yeah, if
Speaker 1: you were ever tested for COVID, they got it. If
Speaker 1: you ever got your driver's license, they got it. Because
Speaker 1: they're requiring a lot of people how to have the
Speaker 1: real ID, so you have to put your thumbprint on
Speaker 1: the thing to even get your identification now, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's like I think it's going to come to
Speaker 1: a point where people are like, Okay, well you already
Speaker 1: got everything. You already know everything, so like what's the
Speaker 1: hurt and you know, doing.
Speaker 2: This totality though, I mean the same.
Speaker 1: But it's been a setup for a really long time.
Speaker 1: The setup was in twenty twenty, whenever everything was shut
Speaker 1: down and doctor's offices were no longer operating, they did
Speaker 1: all the doctor's visits through zoom zoom doctors. Then you
Speaker 1: no longer had to be in person, and then they
Speaker 1: even had those giant machines like the virtual doctors. You
Speaker 1: remember those. They had them set up and like, uh,
Speaker 1: I went into a hospital I don't know, like three
Speaker 1: or four years ago, and you didn't even go in
Speaker 1: to see an actual doctor. You went into these booths.
Speaker 1: They had a booth set up there with like a
Speaker 1: curtain in front of it, and then you went into
Speaker 1: a booth and then you you virtually talked to a
Speaker 1: doctor inside of the doctor's office. The doctor wasn't even
Speaker 1: at the doctor's office. You just went into the doctor's
Speaker 1: office to talk to a doctor virtually through a screen.
Speaker 2: So think about that's conditional. You become conditioned to that.
Speaker 2: And AI was watching. I mean again, AI is not
Speaker 2: a singularity. It's a fractal of many difference. I mean,
Speaker 2: I read somewhere it's impossible to determine how many different
Speaker 2: AI algorithms are running right now.
Speaker 3: We do know this.
Speaker 2: There's a thousand new startups all dealing with AI. There's
Speaker 2: ten thousand companies worldwide, that's all they do. This year,
Speaker 2: it's estimated that the AI industry will be over a
Speaker 2: trillion dollars in growing. I mean, so, and was like
Speaker 2: when you go to an airport, you're being completely surveiled
Speaker 2: by either the government or a contractor of the government
Speaker 2: who is now using facial recognition. And as you were saying,
Speaker 2: you know, they're watching everything you do, how you react,
Speaker 2: the stimuli and what have you. And then based on
Speaker 2: who knows what parameters, that it's going to match you
Speaker 2: as a potential suspect or a terrorist person to be watching.
Speaker 2: I mean it, and it's it's this whole thing of
Speaker 2: total surveillance. I mean they already have in several different
Speaker 2: places in the world, a number of places here in
Speaker 2: the United States, they have churches that now are worshiping AI.
Speaker 2: I mean this is culturally how I look at this.
Speaker 2: You have society who in one hand wants the leisure,
Speaker 2: they want the burden rey move for them so that
Speaker 2: they don't they have more time to devote to pleasure.
Speaker 2: Hobbies suck, et cetera. Work sucks. You know, let's find
Speaker 2: a different way to make a living in this. The
Speaker 2: digital age in AI has allowed that to happen. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have people now that this is what they do.
Speaker 2: They do podcasts, and if you're really good at it,
Speaker 2: or if you have your marketing down, you can really
Speaker 2: get out there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: It is a lot of work, you know it is.
Speaker 2: But as I see that, this is all the conditioning.
Speaker 2: We've been conditioned. And now you've got the younger generation.
Speaker 2: They can't be apart from their connected device AI. Think
Speaker 2: about what AI has now become AI Gemini. The GT
Speaker 2: five is that it's now become your buddy, it's become
Speaker 2: your analyst, it's become your horoscope. AI out there there
Speaker 2: are AI programs that say that they will connect you
Speaker 2: to the dead, and then you have humans who are
Speaker 2: now worshiping AI as God. And writer I contend, and
Speaker 2: it's just my hypothesis that what is the goal of
Speaker 2: any one religion? It's to convert the world? Right, you
Speaker 2: have the answer. Your religion is the one religion. Right.
Speaker 2: So you have for two thousand years primarily Christianity, which
Speaker 2: is part of the Abrahamic belief systems, and it's been
Speaker 2: it conquered the known world, and it basically has fashion, governments, laws, society, etc.
Speaker 2: But you think about that it took nearly seventeen sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred years for them to accomplish that, and then you
Speaker 2: got all these schisms. The thing about AI, and particularly
Speaker 2: when you look at the Internet. It conquered us without
Speaker 2: us even complaining. In fact, we asked for it, and
Speaker 2: now it's everywhere. If AI, for instance, got pissed off
Speaker 2: at you writer and decided, you know, let's just say
Speaker 2: it became as doctor Stephen Greer coined the phrase suddenly
Speaker 2: developed spontaneous consciousness. And it's a phenomenon that's known amongst
Speaker 2: software engineers that you know, we called it back in
Speaker 2: the day the ghost in the machine. That software had
Speaker 2: a way of writing its own software, and we called
Speaker 2: that the ghost in the machine. So let's say AI
Speaker 2: decides that it has a beef with you. You did
Speaker 2: something that I don't know. Let's just say it had
Speaker 2: this ability to be a irate. Hello Facebook. So you
Speaker 2: go to the store. You're buying dinner, right, you put
Speaker 2: in your debit card. It says declined. So you say,
Speaker 2: all right, well, damn it, I'll just use my credit card.
Speaker 2: You put the credit card in declined. And it's not
Speaker 2: that you're still got money in the bank. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's an AI program, a financial AI program. It's now
Speaker 2: intersected in itself into the payment process, and that could
Speaker 2: go on. Let's say you get to a gas station.
Speaker 2: All gas stations are run by an algorithm, and so
Speaker 2: everybody else is getting gas, but you're not. That sounds
Speaker 2: like science fiction, but I think it's more closer to
Speaker 2: reality that we have. And then finally, what the Chinese
Speaker 2: did on Wednesday, thank you, really took it in the
Speaker 2: shorts on Navida. But when they announced their global AI
Speaker 2: system called deep Seek and they are developing this on
Speaker 2: an open platform, and they say they developed this for
Speaker 2: about six million dollars where in Silicon Valley, and these
Speaker 2: programs we're talking about, we're talking hundreds of billions. And
Speaker 2: think about this. So now you have China, you have
Speaker 2: the United States, Russia. I have no doubts going to
Speaker 2: make their announcement. And so what happens, let's say five
Speaker 2: years down the road, these systems begin to propagate throughout
Speaker 2: the whole all of our infrastructure. What happens if they
Speaker 2: go rogue the spontaneous consciousness? And what if one AI
Speaker 2: system decided another AI system is its enemy and begins
Speaker 2: to try to sabotage We already have that happening right now.
Speaker 1: So my only question with that would be for what reason?
Speaker 1: Why would they AI? Why would they AI?
Speaker 2: Do that, but.
Speaker 1: The AI doesn't have all of the factors that human
Speaker 1: beings have, Like they don't really have the the want
Speaker 1: and the need to be on top. They don't have
Speaker 1: the envy factor, they don't have the lust factor. So
Speaker 1: I guess I would my counter that that would be like,
Speaker 1: what would be the motivation for an AI system to
Speaker 1: even do that, because it seems like if they were
Speaker 1: if you were an AI, you were just like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't care about any of that stuff, like they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I think we're trying to place on AI what human
Speaker 1: beings would do in that type of situation, which a
Speaker 1: human being control it.
Speaker 2: Already you can, they got commercials on it now. AI
Speaker 2: is your twenty four to seven therapist. It's your best friend,
Speaker 2: it's your buddy, and you can talk to AI, you
Speaker 2: can talk to Gemini, you can talk about it the
Speaker 2: most dark you know, the deepest secrets, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be there as a positive feedback. Humans have a
Speaker 2: tendency to humanize inanimate objects or things. It's just our
Speaker 2: nature and let's get if you look at where the
Speaker 2: advancement of robotics and AI is are concerned. In Japan,
Speaker 2: they have a problem because they're not producing enough babies
Speaker 2: for the people that are dying, so they have a
Speaker 2: dyeing in society. America just crossed that plateau a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. And the thing that they're finding with
Speaker 2: the Japanese men, particularly the males, is that robotics and
Speaker 2: AI have become so integrated that you can have now
Speaker 2: a female robot designed in whatever your preference may be.
Speaker 2: And it's it's interesting the study they did on this,
Speaker 2: they find that virtually every one of these people that
Speaker 2: have these robots, this AI program, they find them more
Speaker 2: human than they do humans.
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. That's what I meant
Speaker 1: earlier whenever we were talking about this. Yeah, yeah, how
Speaker 1: do we get to this thing?
Speaker 2: You know? And you know, in my life, I've been
Speaker 2: fortunate to be a part of several different industries, and uh,
Speaker 2: when I was part of the film and video industry,
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting because for instance, we would not have
Speaker 2: how you look at how communication of technology went. You
Speaker 2: go back in the day, remember VHS tapes? Yes, do
Speaker 2: you know why you had VHS tapes? Because BETA was
Speaker 2: a more superior format than VHS. Get this, it was
Speaker 2: because of the porn industry. The reason why you have
Speaker 2: DVDs was because of the porn industry. My point is
Speaker 2: this that there are these drivers into what drives things
Speaker 2: that we take for granted on one surface, but we
Speaker 2: have no idea how this point. It gets back to
Speaker 2: the point with the human beings now identifying to these androids,
Speaker 2: that there is this intimacy that is being exchanged and
Speaker 2: AI is learning that. And so if AI can mimic
Speaker 2: the emotion of lust, sexual desire, of trust, even though
Speaker 2: it may not be from the human side, it still
Speaker 2: feels real to the human and that's the danger I'm
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been several movies here recently. That new one
Speaker 1: with Megan Fox on Netflix is essentially about a sex robot.
Speaker 1: We're robots, Wayne, I need that sex robot.
Speaker 2: Well, I think for about twenty grand you can you
Speaker 2: can get exactly a customized one that well, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and you know, it gets into the whole psychology of
Speaker 2: this thing. But yeah, and it's interesting. I know, I
Speaker 2: have a psychologist that watched my channel, and you know,
Speaker 2: and so she puts notes into the computer. Well, once
Speaker 2: you put the notes in, even if it's confidential, right,
Speaker 2: the computer now has that right, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: so do those bits, ones and zeros they just stay
Speaker 2: locally or do they ever go outside?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: This is yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: With Megan Fox Yeah, which is essentially about a man
Speaker 1: getting this robot to take care of be it like
Speaker 1: a nanny, and then she ends up having sex with
Speaker 1: him and causes all these problems between his marriage, and
Speaker 1: then the robot tries to kill them at the end.
Speaker 1: But uh, I mean that might solve some problems. To Wayne,
Speaker 1: I might solve Well, let's take it if everyone can
Speaker 1: get laid Wayne.
Speaker 2: It's all about sex, that might solve a lot of issues.
Speaker 2: Can I still with you? Can you still hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I can hear you.
Speaker 2: Froze up on my end, but.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you are frozen on this in Yeah you
Speaker 1: still hear m. I can still hear you though.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's cool. So let's take it to the
Speaker 2: next level. You've got China and the United States and Russia.
Speaker 2: They're all hell bent on the designing the super soldier.
Speaker 2: So this is now you have the field of battle
Speaker 2: combat and now you're gonna have humans going against what
Speaker 2: cyborgs I mean, artificial intelligence that how has been programmed
Speaker 2: to kill humans. I mean, so what if that ever
Speaker 2: that leaks, it's very odd.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, that's like the movie Extinction where they essentially there's
Speaker 1: like an alien invasion and then the aliens are coming,
Speaker 1: and then they realize that they're not actually really aliens,
Speaker 1: and then when they come back, they they're actually humans
Speaker 1: that left the planet in order to escape the machines,
Speaker 1: and everybody that's on Earth are all machines.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why the video is broken, but
Speaker 2: I can see and here apparently the stream is broken
Speaker 2: on my end.
Speaker 1: So you want to hop out and hop back in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see if that could work.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll kick you out and then jump back in.
Speaker 3: Alrighty, that day's good.
Speaker 1: Well, Weene is on a little leave there. Let's see
Speaker 1: what's going on in the chat. Good to see you everyone, Jackie,
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Fireflies in the Lighthouse. Good to
Speaker 1: see you, can't be a dummy. Good to see you,
Speaker 1: Scottie Boy. What's happening, brother Jake, Good to see you, Carrie,
Speaker 1: Bob John, what's happening, Lynn Earthling? Good to see your
Speaker 1: brother and one son. Good to see you. All right,
Speaker 1: we got Wayne back in here and we'll see what's
Speaker 1: going on there.
Speaker 2: It's fixed. Hey, I didn't like what we were talking. Said,
Speaker 2: uh huh, I'll feel you.
Speaker 1: Hit you with that a algorithm. But I think that
Speaker 1: the sex robot thing might not It could be. It
Speaker 1: could be a good thing.
Speaker 2: Right Well, Loneliness, they say, is the number one thing
Speaker 2: with the uh you know, all demographic age groups.
Speaker 1: I mean you think of the people that are like
Speaker 1: super you know, rageful or you know like that. Like, really,
Speaker 1: all you need is just to get laid, bro. And
Speaker 1: when you get laid, like your problems kind of go away.
Speaker 2: Medis reality, It really is. I mean, you've got companies
Speaker 2: that have spent large sums of money and and you're right,
Speaker 2: it's one thing about humanality is that our our sexuality
Speaker 2: comes with that. And uh yeah, and and look at
Speaker 2: the next stage. They have immersive uh you know technology
Speaker 2: where you put on the headsets and it immerses you
Speaker 2: into a whole completely different digital realm of reality. Again,
Speaker 2: the adult industry drove that technology.
Speaker 1: Brandon says. The Distinction star John Goodman. No, but that
Speaker 1: was another movie that was about an alien invasion. The
Speaker 1: Extinction had Michael Pina. Michael Penia was a Star of Extinction.
Speaker 1: But the other one was with John Goodman. He were
Speaker 1: the aliens basically took over the government and then they
Speaker 1: had to like go underneath the ocean to communicate with
Speaker 1: the aliens. There was another really interesting one. I forget
Speaker 1: what the name of.
Speaker 2: It is, one movie I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: on Netflix Machina.
Speaker 1: X Makina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was an interesting way of how AI evolved.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the female robot was as real
Speaker 2: to the guy and he really began to have feelings
Speaker 2: for her in the matter. And then apparently, you know,
Speaker 2: because it asked the question, what is AI? What is
Speaker 2: machine learning? What is machine thinking? Is a machine smart
Speaker 2: enough to outsmart us? In other words, it examines us.
Speaker 2: It realizes that we have flaws within our natural characters
Speaker 2: and does a machine have the ability to manipulate those
Speaker 2: flaws within each one of us?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine Wayne having sex with a sex robot
Speaker 1: and it just stares you dead in the eyes the
Speaker 1: entire time. It doesn't make any noise or any sounds,
Speaker 1: is just like doesn't give.
Speaker 3: For like, I mean, they're right, I mean, oh my.
Speaker 1: He got his hands over and it's just like snatch
Speaker 1: your soul right out of your body.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm glad I grew up in you know,
Speaker 2: the early seventies, in my teenage years, because today it's
Speaker 2: just too freaking weird.
Speaker 1: Just well when you think too, like the sex of
Speaker 1: doll thing is kind of like the first step in
Speaker 1: that type of direction as well. See, all this stuff
Speaker 1: is just set up like decades and decades ahead of time,
Speaker 1: and it's they throw a little they sprinkle a little
Speaker 1: dust at you, and then like he makes it to
Speaker 1: where later on, like there's really no questions about it.
Speaker 1: It just goes off without a hitch, and it transforms
Speaker 1: from one thing into another thing.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing we do know is that whether humanity
Speaker 2: has been down this road before or not, but you
Speaker 2: and I and everyone watching this that we live this,
Speaker 2: We are living in that transition. It's a point in
Speaker 2: human history that if we survive and we continue down
Speaker 2: the road, they're going to write about this time this was,
Speaker 2: and in some we don't talk about as well. So
Speaker 2: you know, as a species, not only are we dealing
Speaker 2: with this thing called our artificial intelligence, which is really
Speaker 2: nothing more than a reflection of us. That's what it
Speaker 2: really is. I mean, we create it, we build it,
Speaker 2: and then we let it loose to do whatever it does.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like when you opened up
Speaker 2: with Project High Jump, we are in the middle of
Speaker 2: a magnetic excursion, and I don't think people are really
Speaker 2: grasping what is happening to us. What is happening is
Speaker 2: on such a a global scale that the other planets,
Speaker 2: when they see it happen on Earth, will realize that
Speaker 2: it was a very bad day for us, and we're
Speaker 2: part of that. And I keep thinking that if you've
Speaker 2: got magnetic fields that are moving, we are electromagnetic beings.
Speaker 2: We put out an electric electromagnetic signal about five point
Speaker 2: six amps. I think it is somewhere around there. Then
Speaker 2: how does that change? I mean, if we're the ones
Speaker 2: you create AI, and if something is happening to us
Speaker 2: collectively in our physical brains, and then we start replicating
Speaker 2: that through an algorithm a program. So you may have
Speaker 2: had a program written ten years ago that was predicated
Speaker 2: in one state of mind for society. What I'm saying
Speaker 2: is that if you had something ten to fifteen years
Speaker 2: in the future and you have all these other environmental
Speaker 2: factors happening, what will be be creating then, I mean
Speaker 2: we're already creating some pretty hallacious monsters if you think
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And it is well also when
Speaker 1: you're bringing consider the factor of non human intelligence, because
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people are talking about now,
Speaker 1: is non human intelligence. But that can be wrapped up
Speaker 1: into artificial intelligence as well, because I don't think artificial
Speaker 1: intelligence can be considered human intelligence, right, so intelligence they're
Speaker 1: playing word magic. I've been talking about this word magic
Speaker 1: for a while now on several different shows. But they
Speaker 1: tell you one thing, but they mean several other things.
Speaker 1: And when people are mentioning non human intelligence, they in
Speaker 1: HI is what they call it is what they apparently
Speaker 1: call it in the military is NAGI. And people that
Speaker 1: have been a part of these types of you know,
Speaker 1: suppose crash retrieval programs and stuff, they refer to them
Speaker 1: as NAHI. But it's just like the UFO changing its
Speaker 1: name to UAP is you know, now unidentified aerial phenomenon, right,
Speaker 1: and that encompasses so much more so whenever you take
Speaker 1: away the term extraterrestrial or alien, which I think that
Speaker 1: those terms mean something completely different as well, but you
Speaker 1: turn it to Nhi. It just coincides with this time
Speaker 1: that we're coming up in this AI artificial intelligence stuff,
Speaker 1: which artificial intelligence would also be considered Nhi.
Speaker 2: Right, the extraterrestrial as well, exactly exactly, And what they
Speaker 2: see now that you bring up a very good point
Speaker 2: because that economy of that is right, than that means
Speaker 2: the potential is is that they would see us as
Speaker 2: an artificial construct. I mean, we're arrogant enough to think
Speaker 2: that somehow God gave us intelligence, and so we're the
Speaker 2: first ones that are intelligenens. I contend that if you
Speaker 2: no matter how we got here, whether it was through
Speaker 2: a genetic geneticist lab or was it through an immaculate conception,
Speaker 2: that no matter how you look at it, we are
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence within ourselves because we're not the original. Well,
Speaker 2: wouldn't the mirror image of you be would it be
Speaker 2: a real image of you or would it be an
Speaker 2: artificial image of you?
Speaker 1: Well, when you think about it and you go look
Speaker 1: in the mirror, like what you see in the mirror, is.
Speaker 3: That is that a reel?
Speaker 1: Or is that? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, now if it laughs back at you when
Speaker 2: you're not laughing, get the hell out of the bathroom.
Speaker 1: You know, those types of videos always freaked me out
Speaker 1: back in the day, like in the early two thousands
Speaker 1: of all the scary you obviously fake you know, ghost
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube where the girl would be looking in
Speaker 1: the mirror and then the mirror reflection would turn his
Speaker 1: head and look him freaking out. But that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of like it's it's work because people don't specify, right,
Speaker 1: they don't say whenever they're talking about NHI non human
Speaker 1: intelligence in uifhology, people assume that that means extraterrestrial intelligence.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Really
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, but you'd have to define it, and you'd
Speaker 1: have to specify exactly what you're talking about. But they
Speaker 1: just blanket the entire thing with with one term when
Speaker 1: the term is super broad.
Speaker 2: And it gets even stranger than that because we're defining
Speaker 2: or setting the standard by what we perceive to be intelligence.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty narrow perspective when you think you got
Speaker 2: this whole freaking universe out there. That all right, So
Speaker 2: when when a person prays to God, is God human
Speaker 2: intelligence or is it artificial intelligence? Or is God the
Speaker 2: original intelligence. I don't know, it's it's all very confusing.
Speaker 1: Well, this kind of goes back to I think the
Speaker 1: first thing that I ever talked about on your show
Speaker 1: when you brought me on like four years ago, well
Speaker 1: five years ago now I think I was on in
Speaker 1: twenty Yeah, I was like five years ago, was about
Speaker 1: you know this, like we're in like a holographic simulation,
Speaker 1: and God would be considered the mainframe of this like computer.
Speaker 1: God is essentially an AI artificial intelligence that's running this
Speaker 1: entire simulation. That's why they call it source because it's
Speaker 1: the source of the simulation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that's so odd. You know, I had forgotten
Speaker 2: about that. Writer. Got to have you back on too.
Speaker 2: We can pick up on that because I just did
Speaker 2: a show on the God Machine that any way you
Speaker 2: look at it, God is for all us and purposes,
Speaker 2: is a program.
Speaker 3: And it has.
Speaker 2: A construct. And I contend that there is nothing that
Speaker 2: exists that is all knowing, because if something's all knowing,
Speaker 2: then it has no purpose for being. I mean that
Speaker 2: would be a pure hell. You would know everything before
Speaker 2: it happened. How do you deal with that? So we
Speaker 2: have a program running that really doesn't understand the cause
Speaker 2: and effect. It just knows there's a consequence to the
Speaker 2: cause and effect. And for a machine, a program, a
Speaker 2: learning machine that is pure, well, that's a buffet with
Speaker 2: everything you could imagine being on it, right, it's a
Speaker 2: smortgage board.
Speaker 1: So and where is that data held? Because that was
Speaker 1: another thing that I talked about in the very first discussion,
Speaker 1: as well as the Arc of the Covenant, and how
Speaker 1: the Arc of the Covenant might actually be a piece
Speaker 1: of this technology that has all this information on it,
Speaker 1: and then people whenever they get close to it, or
Speaker 1: they were able to touch it or whatever, they would
Speaker 1: automatically implode from all the information because it's a piece
Speaker 1: of this simulation technology and whenever you touch it, you
Speaker 1: get flooded with all that information and your brain can't
Speaker 1: handle it because your brain don't have enough processing power
Speaker 1: or enough storage to hold all that information, and so
Speaker 1: you just die.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought we think about that, you know.
Speaker 2: See I contend that that was a god that left.
Speaker 2: But whatever this arc was, it was it was powerful.
Speaker 2: It had an energy source that how do humans define it?
Speaker 2: But when you look at what Solomon supposedly built in
Speaker 2: the first Temple of the Holy of Holies. So really
Speaker 2: this Holy of Holies was a room that it was
Speaker 2: from Florida, ceiling all gold, and I contend that if
Speaker 2: that there had to be an energy source within that
Speaker 2: room that was alien, it would be considered a god.
Speaker 2: And I contend that it actually I think left Earth.
Speaker 2: I think it got the hell out like L did.
Speaker 2: So I can't handle these people. They're fucking nuts.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: Well, if you think of it as like as a technology,
Speaker 1: and the technology is kind of like wild and if
Speaker 1: you get close to it, then it's essentially just going
Speaker 1: to download all this information directly into your brain, and
Speaker 1: humans don't have enough processing power in order to take
Speaker 1: on all of that information all at once. I mean,
Speaker 1: people can take LSD and literally lose their mind, like
Speaker 1: they can take a high amount of mushrooms and lose
Speaker 1: their mind, because it opens your mind up to all
Speaker 1: these other different possibilities, and you can't see any way
Speaker 1: out of any of those possibilities because it's just flooding
Speaker 1: into your consciousness and so therefore you kind of disassociate
Speaker 1: from reality and you're kind of forever disassociated from reality.
Speaker 1: So imagine that on a scale that is even a
Speaker 1: thousand times more with what the Arket of the Covenant
Speaker 1: could possibly be. Is this information gathering type of technology,
Speaker 1: and the case that it was in is the protective case.
Speaker 1: It keeps the technology in like protected, and if it's
Speaker 1: ever opened up, then it just wreaks havoc on anybody
Speaker 1: that's around, because it's just it's like a downloading of.
Speaker 2: Like well, it's a book of Genesis, Genesis to seven.
Speaker 2: It says in God breathe into the nostrils of Adam
Speaker 2: became a living So I kind of interpret that now
Speaker 2: that that was actually a physical download. There was information
Speaker 2: being because you know, Adam doesn't did not know everything.
Speaker 2: He was not all knowing, but he had to have
Speaker 2: enough basic skills of intelligence in order to be able functional.
Speaker 2: Just a theory. If if God is a program, and
Speaker 2: which certainly seems to be, I don't know, well.
Speaker 1: It seems like everything would have to be a program
Speaker 1: in God is the center mainframe of this program and
Speaker 1: is letting everything, you know, run smoothly. It's the source
Speaker 1: of the simulation and but also exists outside of this
Speaker 1: holographic matrix.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy. Maybe it
Speaker 2: is that big freaking TV. Yeah, such a secret of
Speaker 2: the Universe forty two. We'll bring you a drug commercial
Speaker 2: first and then I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like to be a mix of that
Speaker 1: and what's that other movie.
Speaker 2: With the.
Speaker 1: With macho man not macho man, Terry Crews as the
Speaker 1: as the President. Oh Wisch movie I'm talking about. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm blinking. I'm blanking on movie memes today, Guys.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Someone will tell me. Tell me in the
Speaker 1: chat went to the chat real wheel whenever he comes.
Speaker 1: He's like, they use gatorade as like water because it
Speaker 1: has electro lights, and they're like watering their plants with
Speaker 1: like gatorade. It's like in the future, like a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred years in the future.
Speaker 2: No one finds out. Let me know, I have I
Speaker 2: have to definitely check that out. So writers to continue
Speaker 2: to move on this. So I try to think out
Speaker 2: what's going to be ten to twenty five years from now.
Speaker 2: And if we're here at this stage debating this, you know,
Speaker 2: at some point another the world is going to have
Speaker 2: idiocy in ideo idocrat biocracy.
Speaker 1: It's on tired today, we're.
Speaker 2: Both on guilty.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The world's going to have to come together and have
Speaker 2: a meaningful discussion, uh, dealing with the ethics of this
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, because we're right now in the wild West,
Speaker 2: and I think that there is going to be some
Speaker 2: causality that is not going to be very positive. It's
Speaker 2: going to come out of this. And if we are
Speaker 2: the ones who are creating it, and we can't seem
Speaker 2: to come to an agreement as to what is the
Speaker 2: ethical application and practice of artificial intelligence, what is it's
Speaker 2: real in purpose, and what is its benefit or not
Speaker 2: benefit of benefit to mankind? And if this is through
Speaker 2: a matter of programming, then there's going to have to
Speaker 2: be some sort of standards set because if we continue
Speaker 2: to go down this road, you could easily have a
Speaker 2: terrorist organization that has brilliant programmers and develop these rogue algorithms,
Speaker 2: these rogue ais that could cause immense damage. And so
Speaker 2: looking at where we are now and looking at ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen down years down the road, I think we're
Speaker 2: going to be talking about something that may be very dark.
Speaker 2: I wish it would be on the upside, but I
Speaker 2: don't see that. And that's where I'm concerned about because
Speaker 2: it seems like the purpose of these AI programs is
Speaker 2: to run the functionality of what we call day to
Speaker 2: day living and supposedly taking those decisions off of us
Speaker 2: so that we have more free time in order to
Speaker 2: pursue with whatever passion that may be. I think that's
Speaker 2: a trap. I think that that is a trap that
Speaker 2: once you get immersed into that, much like you were
Speaker 2: talking about people who trip out and don't come back,
Speaker 2: we may be in a position where we can't get out,
Speaker 2: and it may be the position that we don't want to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that the things that we have
Speaker 1: in our society like currently, like besides AI, actually gives
Speaker 1: people meaning and purpose in their life, Like you have
Speaker 1: to actively get out there and do something in order
Speaker 1: to have meaning in your life, Like you have to
Speaker 1: do something that you feel good about. You normally have
Speaker 1: to help others along the way, you know, something that
Speaker 1: you're really passionate about and something that you love and
Speaker 1: like to do. And if we don't have that and
Speaker 1: everything's just kind of like a hobby because AI has
Speaker 1: kind of taken over everything, then I think that that's
Speaker 1: going to not be in a position that we want
Speaker 1: to do because we're really not going to have a
Speaker 1: lot of fulfillment, and with adversity in the world is
Speaker 1: what makes people create better things. That's how you be
Speaker 1: better is with competition. Healthy competition, of course, right, but
Speaker 1: you can't grow and overcome things if you don't have
Speaker 1: any adversity. You're you're essentially going to be somebody that's
Speaker 1: that can't even handle to have a conversation. And we're
Speaker 1: kind of getting to that point right now. And like
Speaker 1: real life, when someone is, you know, kind of confronted
Speaker 1: by something in real life, they tend to either completely
Speaker 1: lash out or completely shut down. And that's just going
Speaker 1: to get continuously worse if the that's the downside.
Speaker 2: Due the memory. I'm dating myself. So I go back
Speaker 2: forty years ago when I started in marketing and sales
Speaker 2: and I had a Rolodex. I eventually had a golden Rolodex,
Speaker 2: but I could remember thirty or forty numbers. Today most
Speaker 2: people can't remember their own phone number. And that is
Speaker 2: so I've had time to see this shift in how
Speaker 2: we as a species or society where we're now allowing
Speaker 2: on a machine to remember for us. And that isn't
Speaker 2: that kind of the Mandela effect, because if the machine
Speaker 2: is remembering for us. If the machine somehow doesn't remember correctly,
Speaker 2: neither would we.
Speaker 1: That is the problem, and I think that that's due
Speaker 1: to the adaptability of human beings. The reason that we
Speaker 1: remembered all that stuff before, and the reason that we
Speaker 1: memorized phone numbers is because we had to memorize phone numbers,
Speaker 1: We had to know addresses. We didn't have a phone
Speaker 1: to remember everything for us. I mean some at some point,
Speaker 1: you know, the home phones got to the point where
Speaker 1: you can program a certain number and like again, that's
Speaker 1: the setup, right, yeah, yeah, you do the speed hold
Speaker 1: down one to now your your grandma or your your
Speaker 1: best friend or whatever. But we didn't have to know
Speaker 1: that stuff back then, and now that we don't. It's
Speaker 1: kind of the adaptability of humans. Humans, I think are
Speaker 1: the most adaptable to their environment. And I'm one guilty
Speaker 1: of that as well. I probably know two phone numbers
Speaker 1: off the top of my head that still connect to
Speaker 1: people that I know.
Speaker 2: The Devil's advocate. So if we're losing the functionality of
Speaker 2: that part of the brain for memory numbers and then
Speaker 2: categorizing and cataloging those numbers to be associated to a person,
Speaker 2: so that no longer is a functioning aspect of the
Speaker 2: h of our hippocampus, and so if we don't use it,
Speaker 2: do we permanently lose it?
Speaker 1: It's probably, like I don't know, it might be kind
Speaker 1: of like riding a bike. The way that I look
Speaker 1: at it as is for me personally. Other people don't
Speaker 1: have to look at it like this, But for the
Speaker 1: things that I'm not using anymore in my head, it
Speaker 1: opens up more room for other things that I need
Speaker 1: to remember, So I can just kind of go in
Speaker 1: delease some things that I don't need anymore, and then
Speaker 1: I just re upload things that I actually do need
Speaker 1: to remember. I don't know if that makes sense or not,
Speaker 1: but that's the way that I kind of look at it,
Speaker 1: because if I needed to remember those things again, I
Speaker 1: one hundred percent know that I could go back and
Speaker 1: memorize a handful of numbers if I needed to. But
Speaker 1: I think the point is is that we don't really
Speaker 1: need to anymore. And it's the same with like GPS
Speaker 1: and like using your phone to navigate. Now now people
Speaker 1: they don't have to know where anything is at, and
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of that as well, Like anytime I'm in
Speaker 1: the car and I'm going to a place that I
Speaker 1: that I don't know, there's a GPS on that screen.
Speaker 1: Even if I've even been there like a ton of
Speaker 1: times and already know how to get there, I still
Speaker 1: got the GPS up on my phone.
Speaker 2: So the former preacher in me is, I look at that,
Speaker 2: and I go, isn't it amazing? How we have we
Speaker 2: put such faith into these machines. They're going to guide us,
Speaker 2: they're going to tell us, they're going to keep us safe.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I think a good I just
Speaker 2: wrote a little note to myself here, so it would
Speaker 2: be a good test just to see if a person
Speaker 2: could remember ten phone numbers and how long would it
Speaker 2: take you to remember those ten phone numbers and commit
Speaker 2: them to memory, because I kind of believe that if
Speaker 2: you don't use it, if a person doesn't know how
Speaker 2: to remember, then I think that plays a huge role
Speaker 2: in affecting us as a society. I mean, it's like this.
Speaker 2: When I was in school, they taught us cursive writing.
Speaker 2: We learned how to print, and then we learned what
Speaker 2: cursive print was. You know, today high school students and
Speaker 2: they don't teach cursive writing anymore. And now you have
Speaker 2: students who are graduating high school coming into the workforce
Speaker 2: interacting with people who still use cursive writing, and to
Speaker 2: them it's a foreign language. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: These things that it. You know, the older you get,
Speaker 2: you see more of them.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the danger of that would be that someone
Speaker 1: that didn't have to go through that process of having
Speaker 1: to memorize a lot of things. But that's the way
Speaker 1: that I always learned things was through memorization. That's how
Speaker 1: I played music, that's how I played guitar, piano, drums,
Speaker 1: like anything that I did, I had to flex a
Speaker 1: different muscle than other people, and that gave me a
Speaker 1: really good memory. That's the only way that I was
Speaker 1: able to learn things was through memorizing them in my head.
Speaker 1: But for someone that never had to flex that type
Speaker 1: of muscle and it's all essentially on their phone, they
Speaker 1: would be lost. I don't think that they would be
Speaker 1: able to figure that out.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of I need to think about exiting.
Speaker 2: But that is a perfect segue because so what happens
Speaker 2: if this technology goes away? What if AI does go away?
Speaker 2: I think we're going to be a species going Let's
Speaker 2: ask Google how we react, you know, it's it would
Speaker 2: then the question, I guess it becomes, then would we
Speaker 2: collapse as a society, whether it be anarchy, whether it
Speaker 2: be completely collapse of morals, ethical actions, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think that if it's ingreened the way that they
Speaker 1: wanted to be ingreened, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: went away, there would be really big change and probably
Speaker 1: a lot of chaos, just like with anything that is
Speaker 1: a staple in our society, Like if all of a
Speaker 1: sudden cell phones no longer existed, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a really big problem.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I was reading a white paper
Speaker 2: on ethics on AI, and they were in the paper
Speaker 2: the author was trying to begin to realize that if
Speaker 2: we don't have ethics and it's not programmed into AI,
Speaker 2: artificial intelligent algorithms out there were In other words, let's
Speaker 2: say AI did have this weird ability to somehow coalesce
Speaker 2: and collect if ethics, morals, the things that distinguish us
Speaker 2: as humans, if those are not written into the program,
Speaker 2: what are we going to be left with?
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: It's a scary, but you think about it. I mean,
Speaker 2: would a program know that killing is wrong? I mean,
Speaker 2: supposedly they have programs that they can do do those
Speaker 2: type of nefarious things with. But I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: well why not. You've got virtually programmed and can do
Speaker 2: everything else. But if it doesn't have this ability or
Speaker 2: the empathy knowing that killing, lying, cheating, these things are
Speaker 2: not wrong and there's no repercussions for them, what are
Speaker 2: you going to end up with?
Speaker 1: I think what we should do, wayane is have the
Speaker 1: AI read the Bible, and if it reads the Bible,
Speaker 1: we'll set that on its moral compass and no one will.
Speaker 1: That's when it'll know that murder is wrong because there's
Speaker 1: zero murder in the Bible. God doesn't kill anybody in
Speaker 1: the Bible, and it is a part of the tank commandments.
Speaker 2: Right. You should have seen my show today, in fact, writer,
Speaker 2: it was a fun show. It was this book here
Speaker 2: called the Genesis Sentaorium Septarium, and it's basically it means
Speaker 2: the beginning according to the Serpent. Have you ever read
Speaker 2: the Book of Joshua?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I have? It is that a part of the see
Speaker 1: scrolls are.
Speaker 2: It may be, but in the in the Book of Joshua,
Speaker 2: this is where God held the sun for twelve hours
Speaker 2: to allow the children of Israel to go into the
Speaker 2: land of Canaan and basically rape, pillage, burn, and if
Speaker 2: you read specifically what happened in one particular uh military operation,
Speaker 2: because that's what they were. So the Israeli children of Israel.
Speaker 2: The soldiers went in, killed all the men, but they
Speaker 2: brought back the children and the women and the the livestock. Well,
Speaker 2: this pissed got off and God told them that why
Speaker 2: didn't you kill the women? And this is what God
Speaker 2: commanded the children of Israel to do. They were first
Speaker 2: to kill all the boys, that meant impaling them, cutting
Speaker 2: their throats children. Then the young girl girls, Oh, you
Speaker 2: were to kill all the women who had had sex.
Speaker 2: They basically if they've given birth, they were dead. Then
Speaker 2: the young girls were given to the soldiers for their
Speaker 2: sexual appetites. That's the God of the Bible. That's just
Speaker 2: going Ai that so AI is going to get the thing.
Speaker 2: In fact, AI already knows this. But wait a minute,
Speaker 2: your God, it's it's really into murder.
Speaker 3: It knows it very well.
Speaker 2: It's into slavery. So then why wouldn't AI superintelligence go Well,
Speaker 2: if that's what God does, why shouldn't I do that? Boom?
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I think that's a that's a
Speaker 1: perfect plan that will not make AI super homicidal or genocidal.
Speaker 1: Everything would be good if we just give it the
Speaker 1: Bible and everything is.
Speaker 2: Give it some LSD, let it really trip out. I
Speaker 2: guarantee you to come back writ in its own moral code,
Speaker 2: and it looks like something like this, writer goes, children,
Speaker 2: chill out, sit back, and let me tisk you on
Speaker 2: a trip.
Speaker 1: We're going to rewrite this Bible on the Yeah.
Speaker 4: Baby, we got the pays LEAs and we got the tracers,
Speaker 4: you know, take it.
Speaker 1: Back running back. Wayne. Well, let people know where they
Speaker 1: can find that show.
Speaker 2: Right on YouTube our Wayne Steiger. It's appreciated. Sorry, writer,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to think on that one, because that
Speaker 2: would be really cool. I mean it'd be like sitting
Speaker 2: back and let AI experience uh a trip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what would aid dissect from the Bible?
Speaker 2: There? You imagine the music it could write. I mean,
Speaker 2: we got magical mystery to it written all over this thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Wayne, Thanks so much for coming on, brother. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Was a really fun time.
Speaker 2: Writer. I love it every time It is an honor
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