WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:17.559 Oh well h m HM. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn this podcast may include explicit content that will 3 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:38.119 take you out of. 4 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.479 Your comforts and make you question reality. 5 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:42.840 Listeners. Discretion is advised. 6 00:00:59.640 --> 00:00:59.920 HM. 7 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:13.480 Unfortunately this week my partner in crime JJ Vance, not 8 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.519 jd Vance could be confused with him. Neither one of 9 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.400 them will be joining us tonight. But fortunately lucky me, 10 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:24.120 I was able to grab some people to come on 11 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.599 with me and try to make this a worthy episode 12 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:31.680 without JJ here, So I got demanded scientist hishrself Lisa 13 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:34.040 from your Cult Rejects. Thank you very much, Lisa, it's 14 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.599 good to have you here, and I got my boy, 15 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.560 Catalyst Jones kind of like co hosting with us tonight 16 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:45.040 from White Rabbit Podcast. Real Quick, Catalyst, you want to 17 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.799 let everybody know what your deal is and where they 18 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:48.280 can find you. 19 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:52.640 Yeah, man, I'm just your average guy that had questions 20 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.040 and started digging into things and wanted to speak out 21 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.280 about it, so you can find me on all of 22 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.000 your usual suspects. 23 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:04.319 Thank you very much, And for tonight the guest of 24 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:10.159 honor back by popular demand, we got Julia Cosmic Peach podcast. 25 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.120 Please Julia introduce yourself for the people who may I 26 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:14.960 know who you are and let her know where they 27 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:15.960 can find your amazing work. 28 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.639 Thank you, and I'm excited to be back. I love 29 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.360 coming on your show. I'm Julia, I host Cosmic Peach. 30 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:28.800 Podcast is wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. And yeah, 31 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:33.919 I think you know. I started actually podcasting because I 32 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.199 read a lot of books and wanted to talk to 33 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.759 people about them because people don't like to read books anymore. 34 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.599 And that's the first thing that we covered was Program 35 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.599 to Kill. And then I read a book about Marylyn 36 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.520 and we've covered that already and actually what we're going 37 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.240 to talk about today you can find in Program to Kill. 38 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.639 And also I just did a bunch of like research 39 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:01.000 on the side after I read about this guy, and 40 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.960 I think Lisa has Actually it was in the news 41 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.240 or something like that, and you were familiar with it. Two, 42 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.599 So I'm actually really excited to get into it today. 43 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:14.439 Oh yeah, no, yes, I was very excited, and I 44 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.360 know at Lisa really wanted you to come on for 45 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.319 this topic as well. And again, just just to make 46 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:22.080 it clear, you did say you got this from the 47 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:23.039 Program to Kill book. 48 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.280 Yeah, yeah, And what I love the most about that 49 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.240 book is because he puts all of his references in 50 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.759 the back of the book, and there's pages and pages 51 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.840 of references. And when I do a podcast, I like 52 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:40.680 to try to give people some type of place where 53 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.159 they can go and fact check me if they want to. 54 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.639 And so, if you want more information about what we're 55 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:50.080 talking about tonight, it's actually chapter nine of Program to Kill. 56 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:55.159 It's called Rancho Diablo. So fucking fact check me, assholes. 57 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:55.960 Look it up. 58 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.639 Yeah right, yeah, which is also why when we did 59 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.759 the mayor on an episode, I mentioned at the end 60 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:03.759 of the episode, this is the book. Go read it 61 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.240 for yourself. I'm not making any of this stuff up. 62 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.039 It's very easy to find. 63 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.199 Although I just wanted to. 64 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.960 Just oh yeah, no, no, I mean, but I do 65 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.800 feel like sometimes, you know, you listen to a podcast 66 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:18.720 and in the back of your mind, you're like, is 67 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:21.560 that even real? Does she even know what she's talking about? 68 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.160 I've never heard that before. And I like to list 69 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.720 my sites, you know, in case somebody wants to go 70 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:31.720 back and fact checked me or whatever. But we're actually gonna. 71 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.680 Geks what show Julia. 72 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.000 I love about your show is you always bring your 73 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.720 receipts right, so you say how you came to your conclusion, 74 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:44.000 but yet you also come to conclusions that normally people 75 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.759 would overlook or not not come to, because you're one 76 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.839 of those people that connects dots that get overlooked on 77 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.079 the norm And I would like to congratulate you for that. 78 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.240 Thank you, and I'm glad you noticed that. And actually 79 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.279 Lisa was the one who asked, I think if if 80 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:04.000 I could cover this today because I mentioned names, and 81 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.800 I mentioned like little fragments of stuff and I feel 82 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.720 like sometimes you know, you hear it and it's like 83 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.759 in one ear and out the other. But she picked 84 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.360 up on this guy and it's, like I said before, 85 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.079 he's his own episode. He might actually be two episodes 86 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.680 worth of crazy. And his name is Adolpho Constanzo. I 87 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.279 don't know, Catalyst, if you had ever heard of this guy, 88 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.560 but he is a whole fucking I mean, I like 89 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:34.759 to call him a Dolpho cunt Stanzo, but he is 90 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.560 just the weirdest guy of the cult leader. And you know, 91 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:47.079 he was a Mexican drug lord that was believed to 92 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:51.240 have supernatural powers. Actually, and so Lisa, I don't before 93 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.000 I get on my soapbox, I actually wanted to ask 94 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.600 you what your background is on Adolpho. 95 00:05:57.879 --> 00:06:01.920 So I listened to I was listening to your PTK 96 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:06.720 series and you had briefly mentioned his name on I 97 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.720 think the first episode that you covered PTK and just 98 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.720 in passing and when you said his name, I remember 99 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.399 I was standing in the bathrooms in my makeup and 100 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.519 I was like, I like stared at the phone. I 101 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.800 was like, don't tell me that guy's in that book. 102 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.800 Because so growing up, I grew up in Texas, South Texas, 103 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.639 to be exact. And one of the popular things here 104 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:29.920 to do in spring break is to go to the 105 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.680 island Padre Island, right, and it gets so packed with 106 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.360 so many people, everybody from New York, Pennsylvania, account where 107 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.399 everybody comes down here to come to the island during 108 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:37.879 spring break. 109 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.920 It's a big deal, specifically South Padre. 110 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.560 And so South Padre is literally right at the cusp 111 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.879 of the Mexican border, and one of the famous things 112 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.920 to do, or one of the most fun things to do, 113 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.319 was to cross into Renosa or Progresso or Matamotos, depending 114 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.199 where you're at right, Mata Motas is going to be 115 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.839 the area that's the closest to South Padre Island. And 116 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:05.680 so what people would do is that they would go 117 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.560 party all day at the island, and then in the 118 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:13.000 evenings they just basically walk over into Matamotos and get 119 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.439 drunk and do all what kinds of whatever. I think 120 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.600 in Mexico at the time, and I think it's still 121 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.560 the way there was. The legal age was eighteen, but 122 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.639 I don't think they really checked or whatever, and you 123 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.720 keep drinking all day and all night and whatever, and 124 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.160 it was a fun thing for people to do. And 125 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:33.120 then you started to hear on the news that people 126 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.399 were going missing, and then that there was a search, 127 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.879 and then they would. 128 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.519 Announce do not go into Mexico. 129 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.279 If you're going to go to the island, stay on 130 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:47.439 the stay on the US side, do not go into Mexico. 131 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.720 And then it came about that there was I think 132 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:55.519 a UT student which University of Texas went missing. And 133 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:59.079 then I believe there was a huge investigation down into 134 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.959 Matamotos and that they had uncovered several bodies, and that 135 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:06.879 from what I had heard, and of course the news 136 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.639 didn't cover this, was that they were bodies that were mutilated. 137 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:10.920 They were all kinds of. 138 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:15.439 Like remnants of ritual sacrifice of some sort death. Cold 139 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.240 satan cold whatever, and it was really really bad, and 140 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.079 that it wasn't just one person that they found, but 141 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:22.800 they at the time they had said it was five, 142 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.160 but there was many others that they had found in 143 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:31.560 other I guess sites or burial sites, and that there 144 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.879 was a house and that there was body parts and 145 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:36.519 a cauldron and stuff like that. And so you started 146 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.399 to hear all these things. You don't know what's true, 147 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:40.480 right because it's on the other side and this is 148 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:42.600 what's being told and the news really isn't covering, but 149 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.159 they're telling you not to go down there. But then 150 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.080 whenever it kind of blew up, this name starts coming 151 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.919 out and you start to hear it all over the place. 152 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.480 You're like, oh my god, that was the guy that 153 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.720 was back then when they were telling us not to 154 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.559 go into Mexico. 155 00:08:55.879 --> 00:09:01.039 So that was my background with so when you said the. 156 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:06.519 Name, I was like, no, dude, And it's crazy because 157 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.240 he's mentioned in Programmed to Kill but he also got 158 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:15.240 his own episode on Ancient Aliens. Like, there's so many 159 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.399 ways that you can cover this guy, Like it's just bizarre, 160 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:23.879 it's otherworldly what was going on there. And I think 161 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.480 that actually the way that they portrayed it in the 162 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.320 news was like a lot of the serial killers and stuff. 163 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.200 How they it was nineteen eighty nine, by the way, 164 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:38.039 in Mexico. They started searching for a missing college student 165 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:43.200 and then they found this ranch. It was called uh 166 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:52.399 Santa Elena Ranch. And so the missing college student that 167 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.120 they were looking for, his name was Mark Kilroy. It 168 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.799 was a dude. He was twenty one years old, partying, 169 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.759 like Lisa mentioned, it was like a party spot. And 170 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.879 then they go looking for him and they come across 171 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:10.639 this ranch and they find twelve bodies at first, and 172 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.320 some of them have been shot, some of them have 173 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.440 been hacked up with a machete. One of the graves 174 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.720 did have Mark Kilroy's body in it, so he was abducted. 175 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.480 They did murder him. A lot of them had like 176 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.840 their spines ripped out and made into necklaces and other 177 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:34.559 ceremonial type of jewelry. Some of them had been skinned alive, 178 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.200 some of them had been buried alive. But the weird 179 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:44.120 thing about him is that Adolfo's followers wholeheartedly believed that 180 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:49.120 he had supernatural powers, and so this is what gets 181 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.360 him on ancient aliens because a lot of the stuff 182 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.279 that he was doing and saying, and a lot of 183 00:10:55.279 --> 00:11:00.039 the stuff that people saw him doing was actually but 184 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:05.840 they considered to be supernatural in nature, and they don't 185 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.320 talk about this aspect in Program to Kill. He more 186 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.000 talks about like the political side of things, because they 187 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:14.159 made it appear in the news that this was random 188 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.039 acts of violence, that this guy was just a crazy 189 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.360 Satanist guy and he was just abducting random people and 190 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.639 just fucking them up and burying them all over his property. 191 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.039 But it actually turns out that a lot of the 192 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:30.919 people that they found it wasn't random at all. And 193 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.399 I'm actually gonna kind of get into that too, but 194 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:39.399 it's said in total, they found forty plus bodies on 195 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.639 the property. So the news didn't even really want to 196 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.200 report that. At first it was like, oh, they found 197 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.759 a couple bodies, and then it was like, okay, we 198 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.919 found twelve graves, and then by the end of it 199 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.639 they were like, Okay, there's probably forty plus victims that 200 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:59.960 have been buried at this ranch. And he was practiced 201 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.879 seeing something called Palo sorcery. I don't know if you 202 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.679 guys are familiar with that at all. Alomiamba is it's 203 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:13.399 also referred to and so it incorporates traditions and gods 204 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:21.279 from West African religions. Actually, and Adolfo claimed that he 205 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.919 was in communication with a god named Kaddium Pimbae I 206 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.679 think is how you pronounce it. And this god is 207 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:36.720 also known as issue E s Hu And this is 208 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:40.240 something that I had never heard before, and it was 209 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:45.799 mentioned actually in the Ancient Alien And it was funny 210 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.559 because sometimes I'll just watch Ancient Aliens to like go 211 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:51.600 to sleep because it, first of all, it's a lot 212 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:57.879 of propaganda stuff, right yeah, It's like, oh, I'm going 213 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.720 to clean the house and like fucking wash dishes and shit, 214 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.759 I'll put on Ancient Aliens in the background or whatever. 215 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:04.639 Inside. 216 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.759 So surprised how much truth they sprinkle in there, though, 217 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.200 Like if you take out did you check out Aliens? 218 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.919 If you take out aliens and outer space and replace 219 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.840 it with Nephelom and outer space, it all makes a 220 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:19.799 lot of sense. 221 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.240 Right yeah, Like if you just swap out the the 222 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:27.759 ets for like ancient gods and like black magic sorcery shit, 223 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:31.240 it makes a ton of sense. But so it was like, 224 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.039 I don't know, a couple of months ago, I had 225 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:36.639 turned on Ancient Aliens and they were like Adolfo Constanzo, 226 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.320 and I was like a motherfucker in Program to Kill. 227 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:41.320 I was like, how the fuck is he in an 228 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.480 Ancient Aliens episode? But so it's because his followers and 229 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.120 he said that he was in direct communication with this 230 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:55.159 Kodium Pimbe and that he was practicing paalo sorcery. And 231 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.679 when you look at this god, he has like the 232 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.240 big elongated eyes eyes in the big skull and shit. 233 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:06.279 And they say that he was worshiping some type of 234 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.879 god that would have been like acanoate and in ancient 235 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.840 Egypt with the big elongated skull and shit. And some 236 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:17.399 say that he was into like this fallen angel type 237 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:22.360 of god king worship. And so he gets his own 238 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.480 episode on Ancient Aliens and I look into this shit 239 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:30.399 because I'm interested, and it's actually a shape shifter god. 240 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:34.519 And you know how they love to talk about shape 241 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:38.399 shifters and all this stuff, and they'll actually sensationalize this 242 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:43.240 stuff because if they can get you to look at 243 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.240 just the black magic aspect of these murders, then they 244 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.799 don't have to explain any of the inconsistencies with like 245 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:56.279 who they were murdering and like what who was running 246 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.279 the cult and some shit like that. And I actually, 247 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.679 just for those of you who are familiar, have you 248 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:09.519 guys watched American Horror Story season Kevin, No. 249 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:13.080 Not that season. 250 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.679 It's my favorite season. It's the one about the witches 251 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:23.200 in New Orleans and really, Nick, it's the best season 252 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:26.639 in my opinion for some of the more conspiracy type stuff. 253 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.200 But they have like a god in that season that 254 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.480 the witches kind of work with, and his name is 255 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.240 Papa Legba, but he's based off this god that Adolfo 256 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:40.960 Constansa actually worshiping. So it it to me it just 257 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:47.759 seemed a little interesting. Yeah, they say, like this god, 258 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:52.480 this Katim Pimbae, issue, Papa Legba, they all represent like 259 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:57.159 the same archetype, if you will. And they say that 260 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:03.919 actually this this one that Adolpho was worshiping, like to 261 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.159 speak to people through dogs. And they actually connected that 262 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.200 with David Berkowitz because they said he would get his 263 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.960 messages through dogs and stuff like that. And David Berkowitz 264 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.919 comes up a lot in Program to Kill. So I 265 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.720 think that there is a duality to everything. I think 266 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.399 that there is a spiritual duality and also like a 267 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.759 governmental kind of I don't think that those two things 268 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.159 have to be separate. I think that they're very much 269 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:34.559 enmeshed with each other. So yeah, I do. When I 270 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.720 look at this case, I do see a lot of 271 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.080 like how ancient Aliens was trying to depict it and 272 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.759 being like a spiritual thing with black magic. But I 273 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:47.000 also look at it from the perspective that David McGowan 274 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.799 was writing about in Program to Kill, where it's like, yeah, 275 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.679 it's spiritual, but also like, look at the type of 276 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.240 people that they were abducting. They're all like ex police 277 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.720 officers and like DEA agents and FBI agents, Like this 278 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:06.559 isn't random. They're they're choosing their victims very specifically and 279 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:09.000 kind of like what we were talking about in our 280 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:14.160 Maryland episode. Adolpho was arrested in August, and there is 281 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:19.839 a lot of eights that are around Adolpho. They say 282 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.400 that he had only killed eight victims. It turned out 283 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.319 to be a lot more, but that's the first number 284 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.400 they came out with, and then he was arrested in August, 285 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:34.039 so there was like a double eight there. Huh, dude, 286 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:36.680 I think that the eight is super significant when you 287 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.279 see it pupping up like and specifically with stuff like 288 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:40.880 this too. 289 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:46.400 It's just weird, but well and occultism. It is in 290 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:48.119 reference to the infinity, right. 291 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.519 Oh the magician too, Yeah, sure. 292 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.240 And he is a magician of sorts, right. 293 00:17:55.960 --> 00:18:00.240 So eight even that you get like age eight, and 294 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.880 you know, we talked about this later, but he is 295 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:04.319 looking at some of the stuff. 296 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:05.720 I believe. 297 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:10.200 One of the claims was that the Padrino that he 298 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.880 studied under adult fool did as a kid, that he 299 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.000 locked him in with that deity, the one that you 300 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.119 just mentioned, that he performed all these rituals in order 301 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:20.920 to bind. 302 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:25.119 Him to that deity. And he was the one that. 303 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.799 Like I think when he was and even the way 304 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.599 he was born to and you covered this so well, 305 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.839 the way he was born is just very questionable. But 306 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.839 that that priest basically said, this child is chosen. 307 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:41.599 He's the one. He's going to be powerful. Like it's 308 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.359 just all this like, I don't know. 309 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.119 Well, it reminds me because a lot of these Satanists 310 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.200 are generational, right, And so I talked about it with 311 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:55.720 Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole in the Program to 312 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.240 Kill episode where they said that their parents, their mothers 313 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.160 dressed him ass and they were kind of like involved 314 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:07.960 in generational Satanism. And Adolpho was born into generational Satanism. 315 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.480 His mother was something of a high priestess and he 316 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.119 worked with this other guy, I think it was in 317 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:20.119 Puerto Rico, who, like you said, kind of blessed him 318 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:23.519 and was he was under this guy's like tutelage or whatever, 319 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:28.079 trying to become a master fucking Satanist. And I'll look 320 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.519 at this eighty eight piano keys. Look at all of 321 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.440 that shit, the Dolorean Oh yeah, I gun it to 322 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.440 eighty eight fucking I love the future. I think it's 323 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.720 actually got a lot of conspiracy stuff in it. But anyways, 324 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.640 here's the kicker, because you can't separate the Satanism from 325 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.400 the governmental stuff. Because he served in the United States 326 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:53.079 Army in the sixties, just like a lot of our 327 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:57.160 serial killers. And he claims that while he was in 328 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.759 the army, he had been initiated into a violence satanic 329 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:05.920 cult that orchestrated these incidents as part of a ritual murder, 330 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:09.759 just like Henry Lee Lucas said. And otis tool. But 331 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.599 on top of that, like BTK, the Zodiac Killer, Jack 332 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.759 the Ripper, and Adolpho Constanzo. They all end up writing 333 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:23.000 letters to the police, and it's almost like there's this 334 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:30.519 interesting connection between uh, programmed serial killers. I'm including Adolpho 335 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:35.279 in that, and the police and or military style shit. 336 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.319 And it's just interesting to me that there's this aspect 337 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.240 of him writing letters to the police. They could have 338 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.119 known about this guy and stopped him a long time ago, 339 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.599 but they didn't, just like the Zodiac, just like BTK, 340 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.440 just like Jack the Ripper took it takes them forever 341 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.799 if they even find out who this who these people are. 342 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.160 They never fucking find found out who Jack the Ripper 343 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:01.119 or the Zodiac was. But here's all these letters right 344 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:07.079 written to the police. And so I do think that 345 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:13.039 he's saying that he's basically like a government employee. He 346 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.519 was in the military. He does have this background of 347 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.400 being a Satanist. He was born into generational Satanism because 348 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:26.160 his mother was fucking batshit crazy. But I think it's 349 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.640 safe to say like he's a lot like the other 350 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:37.640 cast of characters with the ritualism and the governmental stuff 351 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:43.440 and being protected from on high. Because one of the 352 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.640 more compelling aspects of Henry Lee Lucas's story was his 353 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:53.960 contention that he had ties to cult run ranches that 354 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:57.839 were just south of the US border, Okay, and then boom, 355 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:02.599 out of nowhere, in nineteen eighty nine, this ranch, Adolpho's Ranch, 356 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:09.079 was discovered just south of Brownsville, Texas, Okay, and Adolpho 357 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.400 is saying he was inducted into a military Satanic cult, 358 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.559 just like Henry Lee Lucas said he was. And I 359 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:19.279 don't think that that is a coincidence. Henry Lee Lucas 360 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:24.640 is saying there are cult run ranches that are inducting 361 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:27.960 people to become almost like cult leaders, and a murder 362 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.160 in a bunch of people, and then all of a 363 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:34.480 sudden we find Adolpho's ranch, and it matches the exact 364 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.920 description that Henry Lee Lucas took a map and he 365 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:40.039 said he marked a next and he said, there's a 366 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.960 ranch right here. There's a ranch right here. You'll find 367 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.960 dead bodies all over the place. And they were like, Okay. 368 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:50.799 Henry fucking made a net Flicks documentary saying, oh, Henry 369 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:55.480 the confession killer couldn't possibly have been He couldn't possibly 370 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.160 have known all this stuff. But yet somehow he was 371 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:00.160 able to lead them right to these fucking ranch which 372 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:05.480 is where all these dead people were. And more than 373 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:11.240 half of Adolpho's cult members and priestesses were from Brownsville, Texas. 374 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.839 They weren't uh Mexican, and you know a lot of 375 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:17.759 people say that, oh well, they were just crazy Mexican people, 376 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.119 and they were all part of They were from Brownsville, Texas, 377 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.079 and most of them went to Southmost Texas College and 378 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:28.680 were majoring in law enforcement, so they were Americans. They 379 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.799 were educated. I don't know how the flock they got 380 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.880 involved in that, but here they show up Adolpho's fucking 381 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.720 compound in the middle of Mexico, murdering people and burying 382 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:40.319 them alive, and shit, I mean. 383 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.160 It's just do you think they do you think that 384 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.559 they were possibly clockwork ultred? 385 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:49.079 I do. 386 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:51.559 I think that they were, because here's the thing. 387 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.920 Right, but but specifically sent out there though to be 388 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:55.839 underneath him. 389 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.880 Yeah. I think a lot like Charles Mann, that these 390 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:05.480 family members weren't chosen at random. And I actually have 391 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.559 a quote right here in my notes that I'm going 392 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:12.759 to read you guys, because Adolpho was described as quote 393 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:19.440 a thoroughly ruthless and benevolent genius with a messianic ability 394 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:23.599 to command the loyalty and blind obedience of his followers 395 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:27.559 who joined him. The followers were in a zombie like 396 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:34.480 state with a loathsome blood feast of dope dealing torture, terror, 397 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:40.079 and human sacrifice quote unquote, which is exactly how they 398 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:46.079 described Manson and his family members as being in a 399 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:51.559 zombie like And what is the dope dealing terror, torture 400 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.839 and human sacrifice. That's it. Just it literally sounds like 401 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.720