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Speaker 1: Unfortunately this week my partner in crime JJ Vance, not
Speaker 1: jd Vance could be confused with him. Neither one of
Speaker 1: them will be joining us tonight. But fortunately lucky me,
Speaker 1: I was able to grab some people to come on
Speaker 1: with me and try to make this a worthy episode
Speaker 1: without JJ here, So I got demanded scientist hishrself Lisa
Speaker 1: from your Cult Rejects. Thank you very much, Lisa, it's
Speaker 1: good to have you here, and I got my boy,
Speaker 1: Catalyst Jones kind of like co hosting with us tonight
Speaker 1: from White Rabbit Podcast. Real Quick, Catalyst, you want to
Speaker 1: let everybody know what your deal is and where they
Speaker 1: can find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm just your average guy that had questions
Speaker 2: and started digging into things and wanted to speak out
Speaker 2: about it, so you can find me on all of
Speaker 2: your usual suspects.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, And for tonight the guest of
Speaker 1: honor back by popular demand, we got Julia Cosmic Peach podcast.
Speaker 1: Please Julia introduce yourself for the people who may I
Speaker 1: know who you are and let her know where they
Speaker 1: can find your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm excited to be back. I love
Speaker 3: coming on your show. I'm Julia, I host Cosmic Peach.
Speaker 3: Podcast is wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you know. I started actually podcasting because I
Speaker 3: read a lot of books and wanted to talk to
Speaker 3: people about them because people don't like to read books anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's the first thing that we covered was Program
Speaker 3: to Kill. And then I read a book about Marylyn
Speaker 3: and we've covered that already and actually what we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about today you can find in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: And also I just did a bunch of like research
Speaker 3: on the side after I read about this guy, and
Speaker 3: I think Lisa has Actually it was in the news
Speaker 3: or something like that, and you were familiar with it. Two,
Speaker 3: So I'm actually really excited to get into it today.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, yes, I was very excited, and I
Speaker 1: know at Lisa really wanted you to come on for
Speaker 1: this topic as well. And again, just just to make
Speaker 1: it clear, you did say you got this from the
Speaker 1: Program to Kill book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And what I love the most about that
Speaker 3: book is because he puts all of his references in
Speaker 3: the back of the book, and there's pages and pages
Speaker 3: of references. And when I do a podcast, I like
Speaker 3: to try to give people some type of place where
Speaker 3: they can go and fact check me if they want to.
Speaker 3: And so, if you want more information about what we're
Speaker 3: talking about tonight, it's actually chapter nine of Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: It's called Rancho Diablo. So fucking fact check me, assholes.
Speaker 1: Look it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, which is also why when we did
Speaker 3: the mayor on an episode, I mentioned at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode, this is the book. Go read it
Speaker 3: for yourself. I'm not making any of this stuff up.
Speaker 3: It's very easy to find.
Speaker 1: Although I just wanted to.
Speaker 3: Just oh yeah, no, no, I mean, but I do
Speaker 3: feel like sometimes, you know, you listen to a podcast
Speaker 3: and in the back of your mind, you're like, is
Speaker 3: that even real? Does she even know what she's talking about?
Speaker 3: I've never heard that before. And I like to list
Speaker 3: my sites, you know, in case somebody wants to go
Speaker 3: back and fact checked me or whatever. But we're actually gonna.
Speaker 4: Geks what show Julia.
Speaker 2: I love about your show is you always bring your
Speaker 2: receipts right, so you say how you came to your conclusion,
Speaker 2: but yet you also come to conclusions that normally people
Speaker 2: would overlook or not not come to, because you're one
Speaker 2: of those people that connects dots that get overlooked on
Speaker 2: the norm And I would like to congratulate you for that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm glad you noticed that. And actually
Speaker 3: Lisa was the one who asked, I think if if
Speaker 3: I could cover this today because I mentioned names, and
Speaker 3: I mentioned like little fragments of stuff and I feel
Speaker 3: like sometimes you know, you hear it and it's like
Speaker 3: in one ear and out the other. But she picked
Speaker 3: up on this guy and it's, like I said before,
Speaker 3: he's his own episode. He might actually be two episodes
Speaker 3: worth of crazy. And his name is Adolpho Constanzo. I
Speaker 3: don't know, Catalyst, if you had ever heard of this guy,
Speaker 3: but he is a whole fucking I mean, I like
Speaker 3: to call him a Dolpho cunt Stanzo, but he is
Speaker 3: just the weirdest guy of the cult leader. And you know,
Speaker 3: he was a Mexican drug lord that was believed to
Speaker 3: have supernatural powers. Actually, and so Lisa, I don't before
Speaker 3: I get on my soapbox, I actually wanted to ask
Speaker 3: you what your background is on Adolpho.
Speaker 5: So I listened to I was listening to your PTK
Speaker 5: series and you had briefly mentioned his name on I
Speaker 5: think the first episode that you covered PTK and just
Speaker 5: in passing and when you said his name, I remember
Speaker 5: I was standing in the bathrooms in my makeup and
Speaker 5: I was like, I like stared at the phone. I
Speaker 5: was like, don't tell me that guy's in that book.
Speaker 5: Because so growing up, I grew up in Texas, South Texas,
Speaker 5: to be exact. And one of the popular things here
Speaker 5: to do in spring break is to go to the
Speaker 5: island Padre Island, right, and it gets so packed with
Speaker 5: so many people, everybody from New York, Pennsylvania, account where
Speaker 5: everybody comes down here to come to the island during
Speaker 5: spring break.
Speaker 6: It's a big deal, specifically South Padre.
Speaker 5: And so South Padre is literally right at the cusp
Speaker 5: of the Mexican border, and one of the famous things
Speaker 5: to do, or one of the most fun things to do,
Speaker 5: was to cross into Renosa or Progresso or Matamotos, depending
Speaker 5: where you're at right, Mata Motas is going to be
Speaker 5: the area that's the closest to South Padre Island. And
Speaker 5: so what people would do is that they would go
Speaker 5: party all day at the island, and then in the
Speaker 5: evenings they just basically walk over into Matamotos and get
Speaker 5: drunk and do all what kinds of whatever. I think
Speaker 5: in Mexico at the time, and I think it's still
Speaker 5: the way there was. The legal age was eighteen, but
Speaker 5: I don't think they really checked or whatever, and you
Speaker 5: keep drinking all day and all night and whatever, and
Speaker 5: it was a fun thing for people to do. And
Speaker 5: then you started to hear on the news that people
Speaker 5: were going missing, and then that there was a search,
Speaker 5: and then they would.
Speaker 6: Announce do not go into Mexico.
Speaker 5: If you're going to go to the island, stay on
Speaker 5: the stay on the US side, do not go into Mexico.
Speaker 5: And then it came about that there was I think
Speaker 5: a UT student which University of Texas went missing. And
Speaker 5: then I believe there was a huge investigation down into
Speaker 5: Matamotos and that they had uncovered several bodies, and that
Speaker 5: from what I had heard, and of course the news
Speaker 5: didn't cover this, was that they were bodies that were mutilated.
Speaker 6: They were all kinds of.
Speaker 5: Like remnants of ritual sacrifice of some sort death. Cold
Speaker 5: satan cold whatever, and it was really really bad, and
Speaker 5: that it wasn't just one person that they found, but
Speaker 5: they at the time they had said it was five,
Speaker 5: but there was many others that they had found in
Speaker 5: other I guess sites or burial sites, and that there
Speaker 5: was a house and that there was body parts and
Speaker 5: a cauldron and stuff like that. And so you started
Speaker 5: to hear all these things. You don't know what's true,
Speaker 5: right because it's on the other side and this is
Speaker 5: what's being told and the news really isn't covering, but
Speaker 5: they're telling you not to go down there. But then
Speaker 5: whenever it kind of blew up, this name starts coming
Speaker 5: out and you start to hear it all over the place.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh my god, that was the guy that
Speaker 5: was back then when they were telling us not to
Speaker 5: go into Mexico.
Speaker 6: So that was my background with so when you said the.
Speaker 3: Name, I was like, no, dude, And it's crazy because
Speaker 3: he's mentioned in Programmed to Kill but he also got
Speaker 3: his own episode on Ancient Aliens. Like, there's so many
Speaker 3: ways that you can cover this guy, Like it's just bizarre,
Speaker 3: it's otherworldly what was going on there. And I think
Speaker 3: that actually the way that they portrayed it in the
Speaker 3: news was like a lot of the serial killers and stuff.
Speaker 3: How they it was nineteen eighty nine, by the way,
Speaker 3: in Mexico. They started searching for a missing college student
Speaker 3: and then they found this ranch. It was called uh
Speaker 3: Santa Elena Ranch. And so the missing college student that
Speaker 3: they were looking for, his name was Mark Kilroy. It
Speaker 3: was a dude. He was twenty one years old, partying,
Speaker 3: like Lisa mentioned, it was like a party spot. And
Speaker 3: then they go looking for him and they come across
Speaker 3: this ranch and they find twelve bodies at first, and
Speaker 3: some of them have been shot, some of them have
Speaker 3: been hacked up with a machete. One of the graves
Speaker 3: did have Mark Kilroy's body in it, so he was abducted.
Speaker 3: They did murder him. A lot of them had like
Speaker 3: their spines ripped out and made into necklaces and other
Speaker 3: ceremonial type of jewelry. Some of them had been skinned alive,
Speaker 3: some of them had been buried alive. But the weird
Speaker 3: thing about him is that Adolfo's followers wholeheartedly believed that
Speaker 3: he had supernatural powers, and so this is what gets
Speaker 3: him on ancient aliens because a lot of the stuff
Speaker 3: that he was doing and saying, and a lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff that people saw him doing was actually but
Speaker 3: they considered to be supernatural in nature, and they don't
Speaker 3: talk about this aspect in Program to Kill. He more
Speaker 3: talks about like the political side of things, because they
Speaker 3: made it appear in the news that this was random
Speaker 3: acts of violence, that this guy was just a crazy
Speaker 3: Satanist guy and he was just abducting random people and
Speaker 3: just fucking them up and burying them all over his property.
Speaker 3: But it actually turns out that a lot of the
Speaker 3: people that they found it wasn't random at all. And
Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna kind of get into that too, but
Speaker 3: it's said in total, they found forty plus bodies on
Speaker 3: the property. So the news didn't even really want to
Speaker 3: report that. At first it was like, oh, they found
Speaker 3: a couple bodies, and then it was like, okay, we
Speaker 3: found twelve graves, and then by the end of it
Speaker 3: they were like, Okay, there's probably forty plus victims that
Speaker 3: have been buried at this ranch. And he was practiced
Speaker 3: seeing something called Palo sorcery. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys are familiar with that at all. Alomiamba is it's
Speaker 3: also referred to and so it incorporates traditions and gods
Speaker 3: from West African religions. Actually, and Adolfo claimed that he
Speaker 3: was in communication with a god named Kaddium Pimbae I
Speaker 3: think is how you pronounce it. And this god is
Speaker 3: also known as issue E s Hu And this is
Speaker 3: something that I had never heard before, and it was
Speaker 3: mentioned actually in the Ancient Alien And it was funny
Speaker 3: because sometimes I'll just watch Ancient Aliens to like go
Speaker 3: to sleep because it, first of all, it's a lot
Speaker 3: of propaganda stuff, right yeah, It's like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 3: to clean the house and like fucking wash dishes and shit,
Speaker 3: I'll put on Ancient Aliens in the background or whatever.
Speaker 4: Inside.
Speaker 2: So surprised how much truth they sprinkle in there, though,
Speaker 2: Like if you take out did you check out Aliens?
Speaker 2: If you take out aliens and outer space and replace
Speaker 2: it with Nephelom and outer space, it all makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, Like if you just swap out the the
Speaker 3: ets for like ancient gods and like black magic sorcery shit,
Speaker 3: it makes a ton of sense. But so it was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, a couple of months ago, I had
Speaker 3: turned on Ancient Aliens and they were like Adolfo Constanzo,
Speaker 3: and I was like a motherfucker in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: I was like, how the fuck is he in an
Speaker 3: Ancient Aliens episode? But so it's because his followers and
Speaker 3: he said that he was in direct communication with this
Speaker 3: Kodium Pimbe and that he was practicing paalo sorcery. And
Speaker 3: when you look at this god, he has like the
Speaker 3: big elongated eyes eyes in the big skull and shit.
Speaker 3: And they say that he was worshiping some type of
Speaker 3: god that would have been like acanoate and in ancient
Speaker 3: Egypt with the big elongated skull and shit. And some
Speaker 3: say that he was into like this fallen angel type
Speaker 3: of god king worship. And so he gets his own
Speaker 3: episode on Ancient Aliens and I look into this shit
Speaker 3: because I'm interested, and it's actually a shape shifter god.
Speaker 3: And you know how they love to talk about shape
Speaker 3: shifters and all this stuff, and they'll actually sensationalize this
Speaker 3: stuff because if they can get you to look at
Speaker 3: just the black magic aspect of these murders, then they
Speaker 3: don't have to explain any of the inconsistencies with like
Speaker 3: who they were murdering and like what who was running
Speaker 3: the cult and some shit like that. And I actually,
Speaker 3: just for those of you who are familiar, have you
Speaker 3: guys watched American Horror Story season Kevin, No.
Speaker 6: Not that season.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite season. It's the one about the witches
Speaker 3: in New Orleans and really, Nick, it's the best season
Speaker 3: in my opinion for some of the more conspiracy type stuff.
Speaker 3: But they have like a god in that season that
Speaker 3: the witches kind of work with, and his name is
Speaker 3: Papa Legba, but he's based off this god that Adolfo
Speaker 3: Constansa actually worshiping. So it it to me it just
Speaker 3: seemed a little interesting. Yeah, they say, like this god,
Speaker 3: this Katim Pimbae, issue, Papa Legba, they all represent like
Speaker 3: the same archetype, if you will. And they say that
Speaker 3: actually this this one that Adolpho was worshiping, like to
Speaker 3: speak to people through dogs. And they actually connected that
Speaker 3: with David Berkowitz because they said he would get his
Speaker 3: messages through dogs and stuff like that. And David Berkowitz
Speaker 3: comes up a lot in Program to Kill. So I
Speaker 3: think that there is a duality to everything. I think
Speaker 3: that there is a spiritual duality and also like a
Speaker 3: governmental kind of I don't think that those two things
Speaker 3: have to be separate. I think that they're very much
Speaker 3: enmeshed with each other. So yeah, I do. When I
Speaker 3: look at this case, I do see a lot of
Speaker 3: like how ancient Aliens was trying to depict it and
Speaker 3: being like a spiritual thing with black magic. But I
Speaker 3: also look at it from the perspective that David McGowan
Speaker 3: was writing about in Program to Kill, where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's spiritual, but also like, look at the type of
Speaker 3: people that they were abducting. They're all like ex police
Speaker 3: officers and like DEA agents and FBI agents, Like this
Speaker 3: isn't random. They're they're choosing their victims very specifically and
Speaker 3: kind of like what we were talking about in our
Speaker 3: Maryland episode. Adolpho was arrested in August, and there is
Speaker 3: a lot of eights that are around Adolpho. They say
Speaker 3: that he had only killed eight victims. It turned out
Speaker 3: to be a lot more, but that's the first number
Speaker 3: they came out with, and then he was arrested in August,
Speaker 3: so there was like a double eight there. Huh, dude,
Speaker 3: I think that the eight is super significant when you
Speaker 3: see it pupping up like and specifically with stuff like
Speaker 3: this too.
Speaker 2: It's just weird, but well and occultism. It is in
Speaker 2: reference to the infinity, right.
Speaker 1: Oh the magician too, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3: And he is a magician of sorts, right.
Speaker 5: So eight even that you get like age eight, and
Speaker 5: you know, we talked about this later, but he is
Speaker 5: looking at some of the stuff.
Speaker 6: I believe.
Speaker 5: One of the claims was that the Padrino that he
Speaker 5: studied under adult fool did as a kid, that he
Speaker 5: locked him in with that deity, the one that you
Speaker 5: just mentioned, that he performed all these rituals in order
Speaker 5: to bind.
Speaker 6: Him to that deity. And he was the one that.
Speaker 5: Like I think when he was and even the way
Speaker 5: he was born to and you covered this so well,
Speaker 5: the way he was born is just very questionable. But
Speaker 5: that that priest basically said, this child is chosen.
Speaker 6: He's the one. He's going to be powerful. Like it's
Speaker 6: just all this like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, it reminds me because a lot of these Satanists
Speaker 3: are generational, right, And so I talked about it with
Speaker 3: Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole in the Program to
Speaker 3: Kill episode where they said that their parents, their mothers
Speaker 3: dressed him ass and they were kind of like involved
Speaker 3: in generational Satanism. And Adolpho was born into generational Satanism.
Speaker 3: His mother was something of a high priestess and he
Speaker 3: worked with this other guy, I think it was in
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico, who, like you said, kind of blessed him
Speaker 3: and was he was under this guy's like tutelage or whatever,
Speaker 3: trying to become a master fucking Satanist. And I'll look
Speaker 3: at this eighty eight piano keys. Look at all of
Speaker 3: that shit, the Dolorean Oh yeah, I gun it to
Speaker 3: eighty eight fucking I love the future. I think it's
Speaker 3: actually got a lot of conspiracy stuff in it. But anyways,
Speaker 3: here's the kicker, because you can't separate the Satanism from
Speaker 3: the governmental stuff. Because he served in the United States
Speaker 3: Army in the sixties, just like a lot of our
Speaker 3: serial killers. And he claims that while he was in
Speaker 3: the army, he had been initiated into a violence satanic
Speaker 3: cult that orchestrated these incidents as part of a ritual murder,
Speaker 3: just like Henry Lee Lucas said. And otis tool. But
Speaker 3: on top of that, like BTK, the Zodiac Killer, Jack
Speaker 3: the Ripper, and Adolpho Constanzo. They all end up writing
Speaker 3: letters to the police, and it's almost like there's this
Speaker 3: interesting connection between uh, programmed serial killers. I'm including Adolpho
Speaker 3: in that, and the police and or military style shit.
Speaker 3: And it's just interesting to me that there's this aspect
Speaker 3: of him writing letters to the police. They could have
Speaker 3: known about this guy and stopped him a long time ago,
Speaker 3: but they didn't, just like the Zodiac, just like BTK,
Speaker 3: just like Jack the Ripper took it takes them forever
Speaker 3: if they even find out who this who these people are.
Speaker 3: They never fucking find found out who Jack the Ripper
Speaker 3: or the Zodiac was. But here's all these letters right
Speaker 3: written to the police. And so I do think that
Speaker 3: he's saying that he's basically like a government employee. He
Speaker 3: was in the military. He does have this background of
Speaker 3: being a Satanist. He was born into generational Satanism because
Speaker 3: his mother was fucking batshit crazy. But I think it's
Speaker 3: safe to say like he's a lot like the other
Speaker 3: cast of characters with the ritualism and the governmental stuff
Speaker 3: and being protected from on high. Because one of the
Speaker 3: more compelling aspects of Henry Lee Lucas's story was his
Speaker 3: contention that he had ties to cult run ranches that
Speaker 3: were just south of the US border, Okay, and then boom,
Speaker 3: out of nowhere, in nineteen eighty nine, this ranch, Adolpho's Ranch,
Speaker 3: was discovered just south of Brownsville, Texas, Okay, and Adolpho
Speaker 3: is saying he was inducted into a military Satanic cult,
Speaker 3: just like Henry Lee Lucas said he was. And I
Speaker 3: don't think that that is a coincidence. Henry Lee Lucas
Speaker 3: is saying there are cult run ranches that are inducting
Speaker 3: people to become almost like cult leaders, and a murder
Speaker 3: in a bunch of people, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden we find Adolpho's ranch, and it matches the exact
Speaker 3: description that Henry Lee Lucas took a map and he
Speaker 3: said he marked a next and he said, there's a
Speaker 3: ranch right here. There's a ranch right here. You'll find
Speaker 3: dead bodies all over the place. And they were like, Okay.
Speaker 3: Henry fucking made a net Flicks documentary saying, oh, Henry
Speaker 3: the confession killer couldn't possibly have been He couldn't possibly
Speaker 3: have known all this stuff. But yet somehow he was
Speaker 3: able to lead them right to these fucking ranch which
Speaker 3: is where all these dead people were. And more than
Speaker 3: half of Adolpho's cult members and priestesses were from Brownsville, Texas.
Speaker 3: They weren't uh Mexican, and you know a lot of
Speaker 3: people say that, oh well, they were just crazy Mexican people,
Speaker 3: and they were all part of They were from Brownsville, Texas,
Speaker 3: and most of them went to Southmost Texas College and
Speaker 3: were majoring in law enforcement, so they were Americans. They
Speaker 3: were educated. I don't know how the flock they got
Speaker 3: involved in that, but here they show up Adolpho's fucking
Speaker 3: compound in the middle of Mexico, murdering people and burying
Speaker 3: them alive, and shit, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just do you think they do you think that
Speaker 2: they were possibly clockwork ultred?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: I think that they were, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Right, but but specifically sent out there though to be
Speaker 2: underneath him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think a lot like Charles Mann, that these
Speaker 3: family members weren't chosen at random. And I actually have
Speaker 3: a quote right here in my notes that I'm going
Speaker 3: to read you guys, because Adolpho was described as quote
Speaker 3: a thoroughly ruthless and benevolent genius with a messianic ability
Speaker 3: to command the loyalty and blind obedience of his followers
Speaker 3: who joined him. The followers were in a zombie like
Speaker 3: state with a loathsome blood feast of dope dealing torture, terror,
Speaker 3: and human sacrifice quote unquote, which is exactly how they
Speaker 3: described Manson and his family members as being in a
Speaker 3: zombie like And what is the dope dealing terror, torture
Speaker 3: and human sacrifice. That's it. Just it literally sounds like
Speaker 3: he's like Manson two point zero and he's got these
Speaker 3: people out there doing god knows what what. They probably
Speaker 3: fucked with their minds enough to send them over to him,
Speaker 3: and he just kind of like ran some kind of
Speaker 3: program and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely curated for them to be there.
Speaker 3: And it's like his mom somehow was also involved in
Speaker 3: this too, because she was arrested like thirty something times
Speaker 3: and the charges never seemed to stick with her, Like
Speaker 3: she literally could do all kinds of weird stuff, and
Speaker 3: she always like got some kind of a short probation
Speaker 3: or something like she was arrested over thirty times and
Speaker 3: the most she ever got was like a short probation, and.
Speaker 4: We're hear that it's just right.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Harley escaping from prison twice, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It just it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And they found Adolpho's mom living in a vacant, dilapidated
Speaker 3: apartment building that was smeared with human shit and human
Speaker 3: blood and urine, and she was charged with trespassing and
Speaker 3: child neglect and that didn't even stick to her, Like
Speaker 3: tell me how you they find you in an abandoned
Speaker 3: apartment building covered with human shit and piss and blood
Speaker 3: with children and you don't serve any jail time whatsoever.
Speaker 3: I mean, thirty times this woman is arrested, she gets
Speaker 3: off the hook, Scott free, right. And in my opinion,
Speaker 3: it just shows that this is part of like a
Speaker 3: generational programming. It's like Lisa said, from the second this
Speaker 3: guy is born, they're doing rituals on him, and shit,
Speaker 3: he's the chosen one. They've got him training under some
Speaker 3: kind of a priest guy. And you know, his mom
Speaker 3: never goes to jail. She put much can do whatever
Speaker 3: she wants and get away with it. And apparently Adolpho too,
Speaker 3: I mean he's got forty plus bodies buried all over
Speaker 3: his compound doing rituals and shit, and it took years
Speaker 3: for them to find this guy, even with Henry Lee
Speaker 3: Lucas putting his compound out on a map and going
Speaker 3: look here, go check this place. It's a fucking satanic
Speaker 3: cult and they're murdering people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Henry, it's because their governmental science experiments and they
Speaker 2: want to see what is going to happen, so they
Speaker 2: allow this to happen, and they keep it perpetuating.
Speaker 3: Right, And so in this this part is crazy to
Speaker 3: me because it's not like after they bust these guys,
Speaker 3: like it all just goes away and we don't see
Speaker 3: more of it, because I feel like it's an archetype
Speaker 3: and that they just use different people in these roles
Speaker 3: throughout time. And Adolpho was something of a Marina a
Speaker 3: bram of it for the eighties and he actually moved
Speaker 3: to Mexico City in nineteen eighty four and he became
Speaker 3: a psychic to the stars, and all of his friends
Speaker 3: were super famous celebrities, politicians. He lived in extremely extravagant
Speaker 3: lifestyle and he did all this spirit cooking and shit
Speaker 3: with them, and he was the psychic to the stars
Speaker 3: like Marina, and.
Speaker 6: He also I believe was like also.
Speaker 5: Recruited by like the equivalent of our FBI director down
Speaker 5: in Mexico, Like he was asking him and paying him
Speaker 5: off either to find stuff or to prevent people from
Speaker 5: getting caught, but it was always some sort of manipulation whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Then you also had him very associated with a lot
Speaker 5: of the cartels heads, like the actual main people in
Speaker 5: charge and like asking for Peking Jumia Solid you know.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Well, and see that's that's the part that gets me
Speaker 3: is they don't never mention that. In the Ancient Aliens episode, right,
Speaker 3: it's all about the sorcery aspect of it, and oh
Speaker 3: he's communicating with extra suck my dick, like there's so
Speaker 3: much more going on, and they try to turn it
Speaker 3: all into like it's gotta be Aliens. Tell me where
Speaker 3: the Aliens fits into Like it doesn't, it doesn't fit.
Speaker 6: It doesn't fit.
Speaker 5: But I do know that I think with his mom,
Speaker 5: his mom and then the priest that I think did
Speaker 5: his indoctrination, which I think is totally suspect because so
Speaker 5: he's he's a priest that says he's the chosen one.
Speaker 5: He's the neo, right, and then and then somehow he
Speaker 5: goes to stay with him and basically learn under him,
Speaker 5: and then he sends him to Mexico and provides him contacts.
Speaker 5: So how does this random priest in Miami of this
Speaker 5: like you know, backwoods type religion have all these contacts
Speaker 5: to all these people in Mexico.
Speaker 3: To him? Oh and that was literally he's just ridiculous
Speaker 3: that he was able.
Speaker 6: To astro project. That's where that kempten.
Speaker 5: He was able to astro project and be able to
Speaker 5: tell you things that no one else could tell you.
Speaker 5: But they were saying that potentially he had intel on
Speaker 5: the people that he was catering to, whether it was
Speaker 5: drug cartels, whether it's you know, the equivalent of their
Speaker 5: FBI or whatever, and therefore was providing them stuff in
Speaker 5: order to convince them of stuff in order to get
Speaker 5: in with them.
Speaker 3: Well, see that that makes more sense to me than
Speaker 3: him actually even having supernatural powers. Is like he's got
Speaker 3: all these politicians and cartel people and celebrities and he's
Speaker 3: all friends with them, and somehow he's able to predict
Speaker 3: their future and shit like that, know things that he
Speaker 3: shouldn't know, well, yeah, you could look at it and say,
Speaker 3: there's an aspect that could be supernatural because he is
Speaker 3: practicing like dark sorcery and shit like that, or he
Speaker 3: has all these like high up connections and they're feeding
Speaker 3: him information the same way that they were feeding Henry
Speaker 3: Lee Lucas information because they would say, like, there's no
Speaker 3: way he could have killed these two people because he
Speaker 3: would have had been in two places at one time.
Speaker 3: But somehow he knows intimate details about the crime scene
Speaker 3: that you would only know if you were there. Well, hello,
Speaker 3: the only way he could know that shit is if
Speaker 3: somebody was feeding him information. And I think it could
Speaker 3: have been the same with Adolpho because there's an there's
Speaker 3: an aspect to this that's like they they were almost
Speaker 3: it was almost like he was an employee because I
Speaker 3: talked about in our first Program to Kill episode when
Speaker 3: I was talking about the pedos. You remember, I said,
Speaker 3: like there were underground tunnels under the school that would
Speaker 3: like pop up in like random like warehouses and sheds
Speaker 3: and shit, and it it makes sense why they were
Speaker 3: connected to the school. And then Michael Achino at the
Speaker 3: Presidio Military Base, his house was really closed to like
Speaker 3: their daycare center, and these kids could describe his house
Speaker 3: like in perfect detail. Well, Adolfo had a huge mansion
Speaker 3: in the middle of Mexico City that was located directly
Speaker 3: across from an elementary school. And so it very much
Speaker 3: reminded me of Michael Achino and all the petos, like
Speaker 3: with the McMartin school shit, because why is this guy
Speaker 3: who's murdering all these people in this super ritualistic way
Speaker 3: have a house right next to an elementary school. And
Speaker 3: as we go in, I might even save this for
Speaker 3: the second part of the episode, but kids were involved
Speaker 3: with a lot of this shit, and the further you
Speaker 3: dig into this stuff, the more you find that it
Speaker 3: fits the mold of all the other seerial killers and
Speaker 3: petos that you know, they do use kids in these
Speaker 3: rituals and it's important that they have easy access to
Speaker 3: something like that. And so the the way that the
Speaker 3: bodies were mutilated, it also reminded me kind of like
Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe esque because all of their internal organs were missing.
Speaker 3: And I do think that there's a lot to be
Speaker 3: said about a ritualism and two black market organ harvesting
Speaker 3: because this guy was involved in all of that shit
Speaker 3: he was involved in the trade. He was involved in, Uh,
Speaker 3: he was somehow was linked to like Chicago mob bosses
Speaker 3: like Maryland, was super random. And then all of their
Speaker 3: the victims, all of their internal organs are missing. I'm
Speaker 3: talking brains, heart, lungs, all that shit was gone. So
Speaker 3: I just, yeah, you could say he was using them
Speaker 3: for rituals and shit because he he was a sorcer
Speaker 3: or whatever, but it makes more sense to me with
Speaker 3: the amount of money that he had and the type
Speaker 3: of lifestyle that he had, that he might have been
Speaker 3: involved in like some type of black market organ trade
Speaker 3: as well. I don't know what you guys think about that.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna interject really quickly. So I know a little
Speaker 5: bit about some of the practices of the Caribbean from
Speaker 5: what I remember being told was that when they brought
Speaker 5: the African slaves into the Caribbean, most of them were
Speaker 5: allowed to maintain a lot of their cultural religious practices,
Speaker 5: belief systems, and what have you. And then being here
Speaker 5: it kind of started to morph because you started to
Speaker 5: have I think initially you started to get the separation.
Speaker 5: They didn't want the different nationality to mix because then
Speaker 5: they would overthrow, you know, the slave owners and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. But I think what ended up happening is
Speaker 5: that you start to get some mixing of like Santaria Voodoo,
Speaker 5: who do Bilo Miyambe and all that stuff. But when
Speaker 5: you really start to see it take off take off
Speaker 5: is when you start to see the influx of the
Speaker 5: refugees coming into the US, particularly in Florida, right, And
Speaker 5: that's when you start to see a huge up like
Speaker 5: upcropping or upgrowing of Palomambe, Santaia, Whodo and all that
Speaker 5: stuff in Miami specifically, right. So it's melting pot of
Speaker 5: Afro Caribbean belief systems and it's almost like they're mixing
Speaker 5: it in with Christianity, like how the ritual is how
Speaker 5: so like with Palomambie, kind of like back in the
Speaker 5: day with Christian and Catholic faith, they built churches around relics, right,
Speaker 5: you know, Saint died they built the church up or whatever.
Speaker 5: They kind of had a similar belief in that they
Speaker 5: believe that you would have to create a cauldron and
Speaker 5: put a dead body parts in it, and then you
Speaker 5: would I think you would have had add like twenty
Speaker 5: some sticks coming out of it. And basically create this
Speaker 5: relic and then build your housing or whatever, and then you.
Speaker 6: Would basically not come to life.
Speaker 5: But this is how you would communicate with deities, and
Speaker 5: you would ask in petition and pray and what have you. Right,
Speaker 5: everything from you name it, like, you know, is my
Speaker 5: husband cheating on me? Or I wouldn't become.
Speaker 6: Rich or you know, what have you.
Speaker 5: But one of the main things I think that stuck
Speaker 5: out to me with follow is that they required a
Speaker 5: skull inside of it, and that because they wanted it
Speaker 5: to talk to you, right, which is kind of reminiscent
Speaker 5: to me of the of what the Templars had been
Speaker 5: accused of your head. And I was like, I wonder
Speaker 5: how much of that is correlated, because we do know
Speaker 5: you have a lot of Masonic Templar type influences into
Speaker 5: the US culture, into intelligencia of the US government, and
Speaker 5: now you have these types of religions all mixing in.
Speaker 5: How much of them are breeding together? And now you're
Speaker 5: getting something, whether it is astral projection, whether it is
Speaker 5: looking into you know, my manipulation. I think they're throwing
Speaker 5: everything out there to see how they can manipulate a
Speaker 5: situation and gather intel information and manipulate countries and all
Speaker 5: that other stuff. But with Pollo, that was what I
Speaker 5: understood it to be, and it was, you know, like
Speaker 5: an Afro ritual type belief system. And what I had
Speaker 5: told Nick about I was like, you know, what was
Speaker 5: really interesting is that you don't have a whole lot
Speaker 5: of Cuban presence or influence in Mexico, especially during the eighties,
Speaker 5: and it was all pretty much over in Florida. All
Speaker 5: you had was Mexican and Texas and then you had
Speaker 5: well Mexican in California as well, but a lot of
Speaker 5: the Caribbean was mainly centralized in Florida. And so not
Speaker 5: that there's discrimination, but you know, you didn't hear of
Speaker 5: it readily for there to be a huge Cuban influence.
Speaker 6: So it's it stuck out to me. I was like,
Speaker 6: not to say that there wasn't, but it just stuck
Speaker 6: out to me.
Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, that's really interesting that there would be,
Speaker 5: you know, such a heavy Cuban presence. But then when
Speaker 5: I read and it was saying that these were students
Speaker 5: from this side, I was like, oh, they were recruiting people,
Speaker 5: Oh right, yeah, And you.
Speaker 3: Know, I think that they wouldn't practice this stuff if
Speaker 3: it didn't work. I've said that before. You know, if
Speaker 3: they did it a couple, you know, a dozen times
Speaker 3: and they weren't getting results, I don't think that they
Speaker 3: would continue to practice this shit. And so I don't
Speaker 3: find that it's separate from it's like you were saying.
Speaker 3: I think that the Templars were definitely up to some shit,
Speaker 3: and we have so many masons in the governmental structure,
Speaker 3: and so I'm not going to say that Adolfo just
Speaker 3: came up with this on his own. I think maybe
Speaker 3: he was steered in that direction obviously, But if they
Speaker 3: weren't getting results, they wouldn't continue to even fuck with it. Really,
Speaker 3: and I don't know if you guys have heard about
Speaker 3: I just want to mention it, not to tangent too far,
Speaker 3: but I think the channel is called Old World Florida.
Speaker 3: He's got his own YouTube channel, and he talks about
Speaker 3: how if you really read the Bible and you look
Speaker 3: at the United States, Florida, I'm one convinced at this
Speaker 3: point was the original place of Garden of Eden and
Speaker 3: all of the geological I mean it, it lines up perfectly.
Speaker 3: And so when you're talking about all this shit, who
Speaker 3: do voodoo, Haitian crazy Pollo miom Bay coming into Florida.
Speaker 3: I think that there's been a really decisive effort to
Speaker 3: fuck Florida up because it's such a sacred place, and
Speaker 3: I think that they've done a great job hiding a
Speaker 3: lot of history from people, and I do not put
Speaker 3: it past them to uh use satanic and or ancient
Speaker 3: religions to basically pervert a lot of the beautiful things
Speaker 3: that we have even in the US. If if if
Speaker 3: it was the Garden of Eden in Florida, I think
Speaker 3: that's pretty crazy that we're looking in like the most barren,
Speaker 3: desert crazy place in the world for it to you know,
Speaker 3: look at the Middle East, why would that be the
Speaker 3: fucking Garden of It's like literally responsible for nothing, Like
Speaker 3: it's a dirty dust bowl in the middle of Foxville.
Speaker 3: Why would that be the Garden of Eden? I mean,
Speaker 3: look at Florida.
Speaker 2: I have I have my own theories that go along
Speaker 2: with that, but we won't get into that on this
Speaker 2: episode because it has to do with other lands outside
Speaker 2: of Antarctica and how we're separated from those. But I
Speaker 2: will say that to go into that theory that you're
Speaker 2: talking about. There's a lot of people that believe that
Speaker 2: when they say that the Titans are going to rise
Speaker 2: up out of the rivers, that it's actually talking about
Speaker 2: the Mississippi River. And it just so happens that Tennessee
Speaker 2: named their football team the Titans.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I think that there's a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff that they cover up and hide and shit like that.
Speaker 3: When you mentioned how how Miami in particular is like
Speaker 3: this melting pot of all these like weird religions coming together,
Speaker 3: I mean that makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: And what is this?
Speaker 1: He says he's been to the Middle least twice and
Speaker 1: it's nothing like your bullshit zionis media for trasing what
Speaker 1: is it like?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've never actually I don't want to go.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't look like a good time to me.
Speaker 3: But Florida does shit. I actually have been to Oh god,
Speaker 3: where did it? I went somewhere spring break had a
Speaker 3: hell of the time, way better than the Middle East.
Speaker 3: But getting back to Adolpho, yeah, I do think he
Speaker 3: could have been practicing like dark sorcery stuff. And his
Speaker 3: mom I think that they were from Puerto Rico, maybe.
Speaker 5: From Cuba, and then I think, and she had him
Speaker 5: when she she had him when she was fifteen, and
Speaker 5: I was like, that's considering. And again I don't I
Speaker 5: don't know what was going on at the time, but
Speaker 5: that's from what I remember. Most Hispanics are very conservative,
Speaker 5: and to have gotten pregnant at fifteen, I think is
Speaker 5: a really big deal. I would think, right in my opinion,
Speaker 5: and it just seems a little bit not questionable.
Speaker 6: But I think there's more there.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 6: I just feel like I ask you, this.
Speaker 3: Is the name Adolpho popular because I feel like that
Speaker 3: in its elf is like pretty specific. It is.
Speaker 6: It is very Spasianic adolph and so, I mean, one
Speaker 6: of the things.
Speaker 5: You'll notice is that so because Cuba was closed off
Speaker 5: for so long, you'll hear or you'll find that most
Speaker 5: of the names in Cuba are very old Spanish names.
Speaker 5: You don't hear now like an American eyes or watered
Speaker 5: down type Hispanic type names. You hear these really old
Speaker 5: Latin Spanish names and you're like, oh, I've bet she's
Speaker 5: from Cuba. And only because you're like, I've never heard
Speaker 5: that name before. That's like really not regal, but it's
Speaker 5: so Spanish, it's not. It's or so Latin. It hasn't
Speaker 5: been watered down, so I would think that is somewhat
Speaker 5: a kin to's.
Speaker 6: Some sort of europe Yeah, European influence, for sure.
Speaker 4: It's anybody, has anybody doved into his bloodlines?
Speaker 1: I have not. All I know is.
Speaker 3: About is mom. Information on this guy is kind of
Speaker 3: hard to find because I mean they want there's the
Speaker 3: reason they want you to be able to access specific
Speaker 3: things about him and not everything. Like I don't know
Speaker 3: who the baby daddy is. I mean, he could have
Speaker 3: been like a fucking high up in the government or
Speaker 3: some shit, And that's why they they buried who Adolpho's
Speaker 3: real father is. But what and why I say that
Speaker 3: is because like here is an example of some of
Speaker 3: the victims right that they found at the ranch that
Speaker 3: had been skinned alive, buried alive, beheaded, all the things.
Speaker 3: So it was one of them was the owner and
Speaker 3: secretary of a company that served as a front for
Speaker 3: a cocaine processing lab, an informant for the Federal Allies,
Speaker 3: a mistress of an informant for the Fed Federal Allies.
Speaker 3: Two federal narcotics officers, three four police officers, and the
Speaker 3: nephew of a US customs agent. So again they try
Speaker 3: to make it look like this guy was just out
Speaker 3: randomly picking off fucking people on spring break, and he
Speaker 3: wasn't the the victims I think were chosen specifically, but
Speaker 3: they mix in some random people like Mark from the news, like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a missing college student, and then oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: we found all these other bodies, and they make it
Speaker 3: all like it was just super random. But I think
Speaker 3: they throw people like Mark there to confuse you that
Speaker 3: this isn't specific, like they do with a lot of
Speaker 3: other like David Berkowitz and Henry Lee Lucas, even Ted
Speaker 3: but some of Ted Bundy's victims were kind of questionable,
Speaker 3: like they had like one of them's dad was a
Speaker 3: police officer. Like it's interesting how they throw random people
Speaker 3: into the mixed confuse you that these are organized hits,
Speaker 3: kind of like even with Manson, because it was, like
Speaker 3: I said before, they never talk about how the first
Speaker 3: Manson victim, Lino LaBianca, he was involved with gangsters. He
Speaker 3: owed like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in gambling debts.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, part of a real nefarious crowd.
Speaker 3: And owed a bunch of people, and then he turns
Speaker 3: up a Manson victim, and then like they throw Sharon
Speaker 3: Tate and they're her fucking husband's part of the Process
Speaker 3: church and a Satanist and it's like, oh, we're super random. Yeah,
Speaker 3: fucking right, you know what I mean. Like it just
Speaker 3: they do that stuff to confuse you, yea, to throw
Speaker 3: you off of the scent, all right, And pretty much
Speaker 3: that's what they do. And I don't know how much
Speaker 3: time you guys have left, but I was gonna kind
Speaker 3: of talk about after they arrested some of these guys,
Speaker 3: like the weirdness that happened around that too, because like
Speaker 3: a lot of the serial killers, like Ted Bundy escape
Speaker 3: and jail twice, and you know, the cops rolled up
Speaker 3: on Jeffrey Dahmer countless times. It never took him in either.
Speaker 3: And by the way, some of the stuff that Jeffrey
Speaker 3: was doing is very reminiscent of like what Lisa was
Speaker 3: talking about, eating the organs, keeping the skulls, very ritualistic stuff.
Speaker 3: And who they're learning this from. They were both in
Speaker 3: the military. I mean, you could start drawing some connections
Speaker 3: just based on that.
Speaker 1: But so.
Speaker 3: They start trying to bust these assholes from the ranch,
Speaker 3: the compound, whatever, and take them into custody. But for
Speaker 3: reasons unfucking known, a large contingent of heavily armed Mexican
Speaker 3: feder allies burned down the death shed at Ranchos Santa
Speaker 3: Elena and they destroyed all of the evidence before it
Speaker 3: could be processed properly. So again, and it's like, if
Speaker 3: it was how they're making it out to be in
Speaker 3: the news, why would they send a big team of
Speaker 3: Mexican SWAT team members essentially to go burn this place
Speaker 3: to the ground with a bunch of evident, valuable evidence
Speaker 3: still inside, you know.
Speaker 2: And Julia, I'm curious, and I don't know what everybody's
Speaker 2: thoughts are about Tripley in this room, but he always
Speaker 2: makes a really good point, and it's would there really
Speaker 2: be any organic serial killers and terrorism if it wasn't
Speaker 2: curated from three letter agencies.
Speaker 4: To begin with?
Speaker 3: I think that there is a mix when it comes
Speaker 3: to serial killers. I think that there is a mix
Speaker 3: of genuine, authentic serial killering and the CIA programmed serial killers.
Speaker 3: I've watched enough like forensic files and like detective shows
Speaker 3: to know, like some people are born with a level
Speaker 3: of psychopathy that they just absolutely do not feel human
Speaker 3: emotion whatsoever, and the only way that they can get
Speaker 3: some type of excitement out of life is like literally
Speaker 3: murdering other human beings. I do think there are genuine psychopaths.
Speaker 3: I think you can create a psychopath easily and then
Speaker 3: just send them out in the world and then, you know,
Speaker 3: let them do as they will. But the more famous
Speaker 3: they become, the more you should start looking at their
Speaker 3: background as to are they cia programmed killers? Because it's
Speaker 3: like I said, there are so many actual serial killers
Speaker 3: out there that might have five minutes in like a
Speaker 3: psychopath documentary. And then there are the superstars Ted Jeff John,
Speaker 3: Wayne Gacy, Berkowitz, Zodiac. The more famous they become, the
Speaker 3: more immortalized they become, that's when you need to start
Speaker 3: looking at their background and say, who the fuck really
Speaker 3: is this guy? Because the boring run of the mill
Speaker 3: psycho pass that murder their pregnant wife and kids, they
Speaker 3: don't get the spotlight that you know, some of these
Speaker 3: other guys.
Speaker 2: Do so right, And I find it curious that if
Speaker 2: you look split, if you look into a lot of
Speaker 2: things or a lot of these people and you start
Speaker 2: to see, well, they don't even have half of the
Speaker 2: body count that like this person that I've never even
Speaker 2: heard of does. So it's like, why is this person
Speaker 2: given the center stage and this person isn't And there's
Speaker 2: got to be a narrative behind it that they're trying
Speaker 2: to push.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for me, I think that's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent part of it. I actually think. So Adolpho is
Speaker 3: in the news, right, and he's kind of like one
Speaker 3: of the better known ones. But his ranch was like
Speaker 3: one out of like twenty ranches where they busted uh
Speaker 3: fucking cults with bodies all over the place. But Adolpho
Speaker 3: gets this spotlight. Then you find out he's in the military.
Speaker 3: Then you find out his mom gets off the hook
Speaker 3: thirty times being arrested. Then you find out he's working
Speaker 3: with some like a Marina Abramovich type celebrities and doing
Speaker 3: spirit cooking parties and shit, and it's like, why does
Speaker 3: this guy get the spotlight?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he's CIA, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: it's like you got to start kind of trying to
Speaker 3: tie stuff together. And it's like I said before, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of the ways his victims were found
Speaker 3: aren't very far off from like Jeffrey Dahmer victims. So
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, and so I think that there there
Speaker 3: is an aspect of actual, real serial killers out there.
Speaker 3: I think that that I saw something on TikTok or
Speaker 3: maybe Colby told me about it. There's like one hundred
Speaker 3: active serial killers in the US at any given time,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure that's true. But the ones that
Speaker 3: get the aged bo special, those are the ones you
Speaker 3: need to start looking at with a little bit more
Speaker 3: of a magnifying glass. But so when they when they
Speaker 3: start arresting these people at the compound, Adolpho and a
Speaker 3: couple of his closest homies take off, they go into hiding,
Speaker 3: and they become the subjects of a massive manhunt. And
Speaker 3: this is where it starts to get fucky, because this
Speaker 3: is the story they say. On May sixth, random police
Speaker 3: officers are searching for a missing child and they inadvertently
Speaker 3: stumble upon Constanzo and his followers hide away in Mexico City.
Speaker 3: They're looking for a missing child that's completely separate from
Speaker 3: the man hunt for Adolpho, but somehow inadvertently stumble upon
Speaker 3: his hideout and they go to approach him and shots
Speaker 3: are fired from the apartment and within five minutes of
Speaker 3: this exchange, two hundred police officers surround the apartment complex.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting to me how they were able to
Speaker 3: get there so fast when it was just a random
Speaker 3: police officer looking for a missing child. And within five
Speaker 3: minutes there are two hundred police officers surrounding the compound
Speaker 3: the apartment complex. So how they got there so fast
Speaker 3: has yet been to be explained. They really can't give
Speaker 3: reason why. And so a forty five minute gun battle
Speaker 3: ensued between Adolfo and the cult members and the police.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys are familiar with Waco
Speaker 3: at all, when they sieged the compound, right, that was
Speaker 3: the way the first time they they siege John Waco.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a twenty to thirty minute
Speaker 3: stand off between the ATF and the Branch Davidians or whatever.
Speaker 3: And there was multiple dead bodies ATF dead bodies, Branch
Speaker 3: Davidian dead bodies, dead bodies everywhere. This was a forty
Speaker 3: five minute gun battle between Adolfo and like five cult
Speaker 3: members and two hundred police officers. No one gets shot.
Speaker 3: One police officer gets a little Nick in his arm
Speaker 3: one police officer.
Speaker 2: Nobody dies, right, are you saying they were actually just
Speaker 2: playing poker and then they were deciding who loses and
Speaker 2: they gotta take the gunshot wound.
Speaker 3: Dude, I don't think this even happened, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that they totally fabricated this story of a ferocious,
Speaker 3: forty five minute gun battle between the cult members and
Speaker 3: the police. I don't think this even happened, because you're
Speaker 3: telling me forty five minutes of non stop shooting at
Speaker 3: each other, not one person died as a result, not
Speaker 3: one person Like that just doesn't make any sense to
Speaker 3: me whatsoever. I think Waco actually happened. There's fucking dead
Speaker 3: bodies everywhere right this ship. This shit sounds like theater
Speaker 3: to me, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Because when you're planning anything and somebody has to take
Speaker 2: a bullet wound, you're gonna shoot them in the shoulder.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1: I would wonder what would be the reason that they stopped,
Speaker 1: since nobody had even died yet.
Speaker 3: The claim they apparently they just needed a smoke break,
Speaker 3: because after the forty five minute gun battle, they somehow
Speaker 3: are able to get into this hiding place, right and
Speaker 3: they find that Adolpho and his gay lover are in
Speaker 3: a closet and that Adulph had ordered the other cult
Speaker 3: members to execute him point blank in the face and
Speaker 3: his lover, so that this is what they say, is
Speaker 3: like Adolpho said, I'd rather you kill me than the
Speaker 3: police get me, So just shoot me in the face
Speaker 3: and shoot my fucking gay lover in the face, and
Speaker 3: let's just get this over with.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, And metaphorically they were in the closet,
Speaker 2: but physically they were really in the.
Speaker 3: Closet literally literally talk about that's a way to come
Speaker 3: out of it, if you're going to come out, but.
Speaker 6: Very vain, very very much.
Speaker 3: So that part didn't make sense to me either, because
Speaker 3: they took the other cult members into custody and then
Speaker 3: they said, oh, we have Adolpho here and his gay
Speaker 3: lover and they've been shot in the face and repeatedly.
Speaker 3: So actually the bodies were riddled with automatic gunfire and
Speaker 3: in the face specifically, and identification was impossible. So what
Speaker 3: they did was they took Constanzo's body and it was
Speaker 3: actually a US consular official acting on behalf of Constanzo's
Speaker 3: mother who lived in the piss and shit house because
Speaker 3: she's so fucking reliable. They let her decide that it's him,
Speaker 3: and they flew his body to Miami and they immediately
Speaker 3: cremated it. And this is this is another reason why
Speaker 3: I think that she's the power structure, because there was
Speaker 3: this US consular official acting on her behalf to identify
Speaker 3: the body, and then they flew it back to Miami
Speaker 3: and immediately cremated it upon its arrival. And the weird
Speaker 3: thing is they spotted in the news. Mexico City newspapers
Speaker 3: carried reports of witnesses claiming that two men were seen
Speaker 3: fleeing the scene of the gun battle, but that never
Speaker 3: gets mentioned. And he was spotted several times after that
Speaker 3: with his gay lover, So the two bodies they found
Speaker 3: in the closet most likely were not even him, in
Speaker 3: his in his gay lover, you know. So they had
Speaker 3: to cremate the motherfuckers upon it. Like why even go
Speaker 3: to the point of shooting your face off if you're
Speaker 3: just gonna end up getting cremated anyways, Like I don't get,
Speaker 3: they just do started ship all the time.
Speaker 2: So, uh, they found their passports though, right, That's how
Speaker 2: they were to identify right, Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Would be easy to do. Right, they find two bodies
Speaker 3: in the closet with their faces shot off, but yet
Speaker 3: there was a wallet and in the wallet was the
Speaker 3: id of Adolpho Constanso and his gay lover. Right, it
Speaker 3: would just be so easy to do that. And it's
Speaker 3: like Lisa said, he's a he's a gay cult leader
Speaker 3: that's with all the celebs, and he's very vain and
Speaker 3: he's he's like, kill me, shoot my face off.
Speaker 6: I believe he was Michel for a while too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's shoot my face off, like if
Speaker 3: I was gonna have like if I was literally it
Speaker 3: was between my cult members killing me or getting taken
Speaker 3: into custody, and I was like, no, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go out in a blaze of glory. Don't shoot my
Speaker 3: face off. Do anything but shoot my face off, like
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It's really a Donkey's That reminds me of the first
Speaker 2: Jackass movie when they were shooting paintballs at Johnny Knoxville
Speaker 2: and at.
Speaker 4: The very end of the scene they were like, are
Speaker 4: you all right? And he was like, is this good?
Speaker 4: Then we're.
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, nobody wants to get their fucking face
Speaker 3: shot off.
Speaker 2: That's like the last way you especially a vein person, right,
Speaker 2: who thinks very highly of themselves, and the last thing
Speaker 2: that people are gonna think of is their face just
Speaker 2: hamburger meat, right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, So it didn't make sense. And of course
Speaker 3: the newspapers that they buried said that they saw two
Speaker 3: guys that matched the description of Adolpho and his lover
Speaker 3: running from the scene, which, by the way, I do
Speaker 3: not think that there was an actual forty five minute
Speaker 3: gun battle. I think that there was some bullshit fucking
Speaker 3: spices they added in later to make it sound like
Speaker 3: they were doing everything they could to arrest these cult members.
Speaker 1: Where they get were they last seen in Argentina?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, he's he's definitely probably out there. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think that he became someone who trained future generations
Speaker 3: of these.
Speaker 6: Colts, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that he was a perfect archetypal person to uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they weren't done with him yet. He served
Speaker 3: an amazing purpose. They don't shoot somebody in the face
Speaker 3: that serves the purpose like that. They probably invested a
Speaker 3: lot of time and money into making him who he was,
Speaker 3: and I think he was just repurposed. They probably gave
Speaker 3: him a new name. You know, he might have changed
Speaker 3: something about his physical appearance and became like somewhat of
Speaker 3: a either someone who trains new recruits, or they just
Speaker 3: like retired him but used him in another unspecified to
Speaker 3: serve the program. Yeah, like he's still he's still a rotator.
Speaker 3: They still need him, like there was. There wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been a reason to get rid of him just because
Speaker 3: they found out about the the compound it. They could
Speaker 3: have just like moved him somewhere else, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: he's probably a straight guy now, yeah, or his lover
Speaker 3: turns fucking trans and fucking it's fucking Jennifer Aniston. Who knows.
Speaker 3: Maybe Adolfo is Barack and his lover is jen Aniston.
Speaker 3: And this is the I'm serious. I think that they
Speaker 3: use these guys as characters, and they just swap people
Speaker 3: out and give them new names and identities and shit,
Speaker 3: and they go on to.
Speaker 2: Do Do you think that Do you think they as
Speaker 2: they always attacked the homosexual aspect to it on purpose
Speaker 2: or do you think that these people really are and
Speaker 2: it has to do with occult sex magic.
Speaker 3: I think it could be a combo. I know that
Speaker 3: they for some reason they like to hide. Well, they've
Speaker 3: been a little bit more open about it recently, but
Speaker 3: they almost like to hide the transgenderism. Like when it
Speaker 3: comes to like fucking Michelle Obama and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: they're not going to come out and be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: she's got a dicking balls like first tranny lady. They're
Speaker 3: not gonna do that. But for some reason they hide
Speaker 3: it when it comes to that stuff, but they're so
Speaker 3: proud of it in any other aspect they want to
Speaker 3: ram it down our throats and you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like such a double edged sword, like you're so
Speaker 3: proud of this shit, but you don't want to admit it.
Speaker 3: Like why what was that one lady that they killed
Speaker 3: because she was like everybody knows Michelle is a fucking dude.
Speaker 4: Oh you're talking about the comedian.
Speaker 3: J Yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's what I find interesting too, is the last
Speaker 2: four years that we all had to live through of
Speaker 2: this clown circus show that we had to go through, Like,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it have been the perfect time right then though,
Speaker 2: to be like, oh and guess what, like Michelle actually
Speaker 2: used to be Michael and transitioned and everybody on that
Speaker 2: side would have been like, you're one of us, one
Speaker 2: of us, right, that would have been the perfect time
Speaker 2: to come out.
Speaker 3: Well, then they would have had to They would have
Speaker 3: had to explain how the kids don't fucking look like
Speaker 3: or the kids are somehow fucking can you babies? And shit?
Speaker 4: I can see that.
Speaker 2: So instead of saying we've been lying to you, which
Speaker 2: everybody knows they have been, They're just gonna keep going
Speaker 2: along with the lie.
Speaker 4: Double down, wear your mask.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean they don't want to have to.
Speaker 3: They don't want to have to explain where they got
Speaker 3: the kids from and shit like that. But I you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about Lady Gaga before this even got started.
Speaker 3: I think she's trans. I think she's almost admitted it
Speaker 3: a few times, and she's been like so what if
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I mean there's an aspect where they really get off
Speaker 3: on like transhumanism as part of like this occultist thing
Speaker 3: where people should almost be genderless and like be an
Speaker 3: exact fifty to fifty split of both energies, like within
Speaker 3: the human body. I think that they want I think
Speaker 3: part of occultism and correct me if I'm wrong, Nick,
Speaker 3: because I could be wrong. But it's like your gender
Speaker 3: traps you into the physical form. I think when you
Speaker 3: identify as anything, if you identify with your zodiac sign,
Speaker 3: your gender, anything like that, it traps you into your
Speaker 3: physical body. And the whole point is to like transcend
Speaker 3: out of that and be a genderless spirit that floats
Speaker 3: into anomalous, ambiguous form like that. That's what they want,
Speaker 3: is like no one's masculine or feminine. We're all just
Speaker 3: globs that float around and like Baphomet's style, tits and
Speaker 3: dicks and fucking like, you know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 3: what they want. They they literally are trying to destroy
Speaker 3: masculinity and fit femininity because it's like there's an attack
Speaker 3: on both right now.
Speaker 1: They take a cult ideas of the spirit and they
Speaker 1: put it into the.
Speaker 2: Flesh and it just doesn't work right, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, onto you know, physical because it's.
Speaker 3: Almost like popular right now for women maybe in my generation.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was born in ninety four, and I see a
Speaker 3: lot of my friends drawn to this. But it's like
Speaker 3: find like almost effeminate man that's not very like all
Speaker 3: the things that make men men, and you know, their
Speaker 3: masculinity is not toxic. That's pushed a lot toxic masculinity,
Speaker 3: but it's almost like find someone that you can put
Speaker 3: their balls in your purse, And I just I've never
Speaker 3: been attracted to that. But it's like, really seriously like
Speaker 3: pushed now is men who are almost effeminate in a
Speaker 3: way and women who are almost masculine in a way.
Speaker 3: And I don't I'm not attracted to that. I don't
Speaker 3: know why that's the thing right now, but I do
Speaker 3: see that. I think they love to use sexuality as
Speaker 3: a weapon against us.
Speaker 2: Really, sexuality is the easiest thing to pervert, and especially
Speaker 2: with the Internet being accessible as it is right now,
Speaker 2: we can't monitor the things that we want to be
Speaker 2: able to monitor that our kids are seeing and.
Speaker 4: To be able to pervert them.
Speaker 2: And you know, like because we grew up watching movies
Speaker 2: that our parents were like, oh my gosh, I can't
Speaker 2: believe they're showing that kind of thing, And now our
Speaker 2: kids are seeing like the most ridiculous things on the
Speaker 2: Internet that they shouldn't be seen. So it's there's a
Speaker 2: term for it, and it's escaping me right now, but
Speaker 2: basic it's desensitizing them to these things, and that way
Speaker 2: that it has to be something crazy in order for
Speaker 2: them to excite themselves, and that is Look, I'm a Christian,
Speaker 2: and that is just an easy way to push sin
Speaker 2: into the youth and start them very young.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's like they say sin feels good
Speaker 3: or else it wouldn't be sin. Know, but I think
Speaker 3: could they have put that he was a gay guy
Speaker 3: in like in his gay lover, just to kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: he murdered all these people and he skinned them alive
Speaker 3: and buried them alive and ripped their spines out and
Speaker 3: made fucking dildos out of them. But the worst part
Speaker 3: of all is that he was gay. Like that's the
Speaker 3: bad part. Like, that's the bad part. He was gay. Like,
Speaker 3: So to me, it just seems like a weird aspect
Speaker 3: of like the story. For me, maybe he was gay.
Speaker 3: I don't really give a shit either way, because he
Speaker 3: had fucking bodies buried all over his fucking ranch, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's like they choose weird things
Speaker 3: to kind of like make the make be the important
Speaker 3: part of it not that he had bodies buried all
Speaker 3: over his property. It's that he was gay and he
Speaker 3: was found in a fucking closet with his gay lover.
Speaker 3: That's the part, you know, It's just it's weird to me.
Speaker 3: But I know we're kind of coming to like the
Speaker 3: cutoff point because you guys have better places it be.
Speaker 1: Don't I wish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good stopping point because I think in
Speaker 3: the next part I want to talk about some of
Speaker 3: the other stuff that they found after they launched like
Speaker 3: a big investigation after they busted a dolfho because it
Speaker 3: spider webs off into like a bunch of different ship
Speaker 3: But I guess the main takeaways. You can look at
Speaker 3: it from a spirituality aspect of it, you can look
Speaker 3: at it from a governmental aspect of it. You can
Speaker 3: watch the Ancient Aliens episode tonight for homework. I don't
Speaker 3: really give a shit which way you go with it,
Speaker 3: but this guy is super interesting and there is even
Speaker 3: more crazy stuff to learn about him, probably in part two.
Speaker 5: So some of the some of the interesting things that
Speaker 5: definitely were that I would love to dive into with you, Julia,
Speaker 5: is like some of the how they were getting the
Speaker 5: cult indoctrinated, some of the practices and some of the
Speaker 5: things that they were forcing them to do. And one
Speaker 5: of them, I think is really possibly a tie in
Speaker 5: to some of the other cults and the other things
Speaker 5: that were happening currently in that era and during that
Speaker 5: time period. That definitely like a nod that you're like,
Speaker 5: wait what, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it'll be good too, because I have
Speaker 3: some other stuff that I got from Program to Kill
Speaker 3: that I think is really important to this too, So
Speaker 3: we'll do that in the part too.
Speaker 1: Sounds good to me. All right, listen, all right, uh,
Speaker 1: I'll let all just plug your stuff again real quick, Julia,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That was great.
Speaker 3: Sorry for being late, guys.
Speaker 1: It happens to the best of us, real quick catalysts.
Speaker 1: Let everybody know where they can find your amazing work, please, sir.
Speaker 4: Hey, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: I run the White Rabbit Podcast and you can find
Speaker 2: me at all the usual suspects except for YouTube because
Speaker 2: they kicked me off four years ago when I questioned
Speaker 2: the vaccine, and you can start finding me on the
Speaker 2: Cult of Conspiracy every Friday.
Speaker 4: Well, I will be doing a breakdown of some stuff
Speaker 4: that I'll announce later.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you guys for allowing me to
Speaker 2: be on here because this type of stuff doesn't hit
Speaker 2: my radar, and I'm a newbie when it comes to
Speaker 2: this topic, so I apologize if I had dumb questions,
Speaker 2: but this was very interesting to me.
Speaker 1: And thank you, oh, thank you for joining us. Man,
Speaker 1: this stuff was new to me too, so it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. And Julia, please let everybody know where they
Speaker 1: can find your amazing podcast as well.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it's wherever you listen to podcast Patreon
Speaker 3: for extra stuff, not YouTube like Catalyst was saying, fuck them. Oh,
Speaker 3: somebody said Julia is growing on me. Appreciated, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm also on pretty great Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm either you love or hate me,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with either one because I just want
Speaker 3: people to learn.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 3: It's not really so much about me. It's about the information,
Speaker 3: you know, so and if you like the stuff that
Speaker 3: I cover. I am also on Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday,
Speaker 3: so lots of different ways you can get the information.
Speaker 3: But thanks so much for having me, and I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to part two. I think it'll be great.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much again, and Lisa, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I always I love when you bring stuff to the show.
Speaker 1: It's always interesting. Is there anything that you wanted to
Speaker 1: plug or anything you want to say?
Speaker 6: No, just thank you Brad being here. I really love
Speaker 6: I really like meeting you.
Speaker 4: Julia.
Speaker 6: As always, I'm very very itching to get to part two.
Speaker 6: As usual, this was a topic that I told Nick.
Speaker 5: I was like, hey, I want to cover this, but
Speaker 5: I but I don't know that we could do it
Speaker 5: all together, you know, like in terms of the I'm
Speaker 5: frame or whatever. And then when I heard you Coveraguli,
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, we're just Julian, thank you. I
Speaker 5: want to share notes and stuff like that, and she's
Speaker 5: done extensive work on it. I'm just very tickled that
Speaker 5: you that you even covered it, so that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 1: live on both channels. And that, I guess concludes another Fridays.
Speaker 1: Sorry again that JJ was not here. I do think
Speaker 1: you will be here next week and he has a
Speaker 1: special guest too, so I definitely check that out and
Speaker 1: uh yeah until the next one. Everybody be well later.
Speaker 3: I try so
Speaker 2: Then got so far, but in the year, it doesn't matter.