Speaker 1: And obviously Canaan came from Ham's line well Canaan, and
Speaker 1: it clearly says it in the book. At Jubilees, when
Speaker 1: they were dividing things up, he went to where he
Speaker 1: you know, what his portion was, and he looked around.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: this sucks. I don't like it here. So he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go back over to the you know,
Speaker 1: this land over here, which is now you know, what
Speaker 1: would become the Promised Land modern day Israel, and then
Speaker 1: even more territory beyond that.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'm taking this.
Speaker 1: And his brother and his dad, his brothers and his
Speaker 1: dad went to him and said, don't do that, or
Speaker 1: you're going to be cursed forever, you and your offspring
Speaker 1: because we promised and made an oath to God that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't do this, and we promised, you know.
Speaker 2: Dad and granddad, we wouldn't do this in each other.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, I'm doing it anyway.
Speaker 3: What is happening? And what is a hold out your
Speaker 3: glass because we're about to feel it up.
Speaker 2: All things continually lead back to serpents, dragons, fairies, nepheline
Speaker 2: and fallen angels.
Speaker 4: In the distance looms a mystical mountains. As Mike Heiser
Speaker 4: used to say, if it's in the Bible and it's weird,
Speaker 4: it's probably important. At its peak, a great fire burns,
Speaker 4: concealing the Prometheus lenses.
Speaker 1: This development of this knowledge that's being talked about within
Speaker 1: the mystery schools.
Speaker 4: An ancient artifact said to reveal the hidden truth within
Speaker 4: a deliberately darkened world.
Speaker 2: There is a hidden history that's been deliberately obscated from the.
Speaker 4: People's livil world. Join us as we travel and explore
Speaker 4: the vast unknown. It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay,
Speaker 4: damsels to save, and innumerable treasures to hoard. Torches high.
Speaker 5: The Smithsonian they call wind of a giant's belt, would
Speaker 5: send their agents jug to get it.
Speaker 6: But it takes courage to move forward, to move out
Speaker 6: of the shadows, out of the under reality that we
Speaker 6: think of, this reality.
Speaker 3: We are all on the hero's journey.
Speaker 7: Mankind has been in contact with and influenced by extra terrestrials.
Speaker 3: Leave the sitient mound of gold feathers out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, look at it from a different perspective, different perspective,
Speaker 1: different perspective.
Speaker 3: Hey, what is happening and what is up? Hold out
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Speaker 3: But today we have another just Podcaster round table. I
Speaker 3: do these every so often. I love just sitting down
Speaker 3: and talking with other guys that are on the Hero's
Speaker 3: journey just like I am, and having these conversations with
Speaker 3: these great guests and stuff. And I met this gentleman
Speaker 3: through a Facebook group and we've been messaging back and
Speaker 3: forth and developed a connection with this guy. So I
Speaker 3: was like, hey, man, we need to get together, hang
Speaker 3: out and have some conversations. So I reached out to them,
Speaker 3: but we have Kyle and Ben today from the ten
Speaker 3: four Hat Club. Guys, thank you for coming out and
Speaker 3: hanging out with me today.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having us brother. We appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is great.
Speaker 5: Well, hey, you just for those that are unfamiliar with
Speaker 5: you guys, just go ahead and let them know a
Speaker 5: little bit about yourselves of the show. What do you covered,
Speaker 5: and just give everybody a little bit of a feel.
Speaker 1: All right, you will go first, you let me go first,
Speaker 1: you can go all right, typically how this works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, for us, the way I always describe our
Speaker 1: show to everybody is we typically cover all the fringe
Speaker 1: biblical and conspiratorial things the church doesn't like to talk about.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what we do very much.
Speaker 1: For me, anyway, I'll kind of share my story. I
Speaker 1: really started kind of diving. I've been in Christian almost
Speaker 1: my whole life. I've been in church, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: new there. But for me, it was when I found
Speaker 1: the Book of Enoch kind of around the same time
Speaker 1: we were going through COVID. Oddly enough, we kind of
Speaker 1: had a Friday group that we were meeting at talking
Speaker 1: about stuff, and we got into some of the fringe,
Speaker 1: conspiratorial and things that the church didn't like, talked about
Speaker 1: it and it just became like the most organic Bible
Speaker 1: study you've ever been to, which was just kind of awesome.
Speaker 2: It was kind of what church is really supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And we got talking about the Nephilin one night and
Speaker 1: just my wife and I got on this kick and
Speaker 1: we were just fascinated by it. And actually we ordered
Speaker 1: this book that I have right here in front of me,
Speaker 1: so there you go, put it on the screen there.
Speaker 1: So ordered that book because it actually had all the
Speaker 1: apocrypha in it had the Book of Enoch, it had
Speaker 1: the Book of Jubilees.
Speaker 2: And started reading the Book of Enoch.
Speaker 1: One day my wife was actually having some outpatient surgery
Speaker 1: and I got it for her because she had put
Speaker 1: it on her list, and I said, hey, do you
Speaker 1: mind if I read your book while you're in surgery?
Speaker 1: And she said no, go ahead. So I started reading
Speaker 1: it and I just was like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. So many things that I had
Speaker 1: questions on. It just kind of fit like Cinderella Slipper,
Speaker 1: and I was freaking out. I couldn't wait to like,
Speaker 1: you know, Ford to get out of recovery and you know,
Speaker 1: have the drug wave wear off.
Speaker 2: So I could kind of fill her in on everything.
Speaker 1: And then, like a good Christian boy, you know, I
Speaker 1: took a step back and I said, okay, well, let
Speaker 1: me compare it to non scripture and see if I
Speaker 1: can punch holes in it, because if I can punch
Speaker 1: holes in it, then it's not good. And not only
Speaker 1: could I not punch holes in it, but the more
Speaker 1: that I dove in and I studied, the more that
Speaker 1: scripture reinforced the Book of Vnock, and the more book
Speaker 1: the Book of Vnock reinforced scripture, and it just explained
Speaker 1: so many different things, and it was just so clear
Speaker 1: to me that, you know, it was something that we
Speaker 1: really should probably have in our Bibles. And I know
Speaker 1: that's really controversial because we have what we know is scripture.
Speaker 1: But the next question was is like, you know, why,
Speaker 1: why is it not in the Bible. So that was
Speaker 1: kind of the journey that set me off. So I
Speaker 1: started digging into that, and then I started digging into
Speaker 1: Kumaran and all the other books in Kumran, one of
Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about today. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we switched churches and I meet this guy. And before
Speaker 1: I switched churches, I had a couple of friends at
Speaker 1: that Friday group that we were going to that I
Speaker 1: was going to start a podcast with our show, and
Speaker 1: I kind of already had everything all set up and
Speaker 1: ready to go, webs, I, the whole nine, And then
Speaker 1: they both started businesses and really just couldn't have the
Speaker 1: time commitment to it, so I kind of put everything
Speaker 1: on hold switch churches and then meet him and we
Speaker 1: hit it off like gangbusters. And the church is literally
Speaker 1: like this little fifty people a week, you know, probably
Speaker 1: in attendance, fifty five little chapel church built in like
Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds. And I walked through the door
Speaker 1: and the first week we're there in the front little
Speaker 1: classroom of the church, they're doing a study on the.
Speaker 2: Book of Enoch, and I'm like, you got to be
Speaker 2: kidding me.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of funny how God exists, you do, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know, like you're not going to walk into
Speaker 1: a lot of the churches and find them studying the
Speaker 1: Book of Enoch, right, So it's just kind of cool
Speaker 1: because God really used the Book of Noch to drop
Speaker 1: these breadcrumbs for me to kind of lead and still
Speaker 1: today down this path of kind of growing in him
Speaker 1: because it's the first time that I was ever on
Speaker 1: fire as a Christian in my life to want to
Speaker 1: learn more about God.
Speaker 2: Like Dad, I just.
Speaker 1: Want to know more about you, you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to learn more about you and who you will are.
Speaker 1: What's our story, what's the truth? Not what I've been taught,
Speaker 1: but what really is your true word? So we get
Speaker 1: to talking and hit it off, and you know, he goes,
Speaker 1: he didn't even know that I had started, as you know,
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the background for a podcast.
Speaker 2: And he looks at me and he goes, hey, you
Speaker 2: want to start a podcast.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, funny you say that, because I have
Speaker 1: all these things ready to go. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: how we got started on my endo things. I'll let
Speaker 1: you fill in yours.
Speaker 2: Obviously. I like long walks on the beach looking up
Speaker 2: at the stars and wondering why we are here. I
Speaker 2: went through romantically.
Speaker 5: His toes.
Speaker 2: That's right. No, I've always that, It's true. I've always
Speaker 2: wondered and questioned everything. I mean, and my dad was
Speaker 2: very good. It just I jokingly say we had two
Speaker 2: books in our house, the Bible and The Lord of
Speaker 2: the Rings, because that's just the way my dad. It
Speaker 2: was like he liked science fiction and he liked the Bible.
Speaker 2: And the older I got, the more I realized, why
Speaker 2: does my dad like this? And he would always talk
Speaker 2: about Genesis six. He talked about it. He would always
Speaker 2: preach about Genesis six. You know, hey, something happened, uh,
Speaker 2: And he would always he would never he would make
Speaker 2: it modern. He'd be like, what if aliens said he
Speaker 2: would instead of angels. He's what if aliens did all
Speaker 2: He's trying to bring people's thinking like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: there's more to this than there is. And then we
Speaker 2: would discuss Enoch and what the watchers did and everything.
Speaker 2: So I had a background and I always wanted to
Speaker 2: know more about the giants, and probably, I want to say,
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, twenty twelve, I was like on YouTube Giants
Speaker 2: and the first person that popped up was Rob Skiba,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, and so I'm listening. I'm working on
Speaker 2: a project in the house, and I'm like, I know
Speaker 2: all this stuff. This isn't anything new, you know, And
Speaker 2: they were talking like it was the first show off this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is old that there's nothing new, you know. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just taught this when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, there has to be more people like this,
Speaker 2: and it just kind of I just more looked into
Speaker 2: it and discovered things. I was like, man, there people
Speaker 2: need to know this stuff. And I didn't know that
Speaker 2: there was like people already doing this. I just thought
Speaker 2: I was just doing my own research. And then it
Speaker 2: just grew and grew and grew. And my dad was
Speaker 2: like he would go to all these conferences with all
Speaker 2: these people and so, and he would tell me and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you know, we'd have these conversations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 4: I know that.
Speaker 2: It was just I realized that people in church don't
Speaker 2: know that. No, And so when I met Kyle, I
Speaker 2: was like, let's do a podcast because God plays something
Speaker 2: on my heart that I know is God, nobody else
Speaker 2: that I have to be. I'm not saying this was
Speaker 2: what God. You know, I don't believe in my purpose
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, and it's like, but this is
Speaker 2: what I would say my ministry is, and doing this,
Speaker 2: this is what God wants me to do. It's like
Speaker 2: I would say, my mind is calmer, Yeah, doing this,
Speaker 2: and because people need to know the truth that there's
Speaker 2: things that were left out intentionally from people, not God,
Speaker 2: but people. Yeah, So much of the deception we see
Speaker 2: nowadays goes well beyond just the Bible too, which is
Speaker 2: kind of the other side of the coin of what
Speaker 2: we get into in the show, because it's all the
Speaker 2: biblical and conspiratorial things the Church doesn't like to talk about, right.
Speaker 2: But really what you find out when you dive into
Speaker 2: the Genesis six rabbit hole is you find the true
Speaker 2: backstory of spiritual warfare and spiritual evil, right. And what
Speaker 2: you see is all these things that we experience in
Speaker 2: the world today really go back to Genesis six, you know,
Speaker 2: and go back to the garden and all these things.
Speaker 2: Because Paul said it best, right, And I thought about
Speaker 2: this earlier today in kind of thinking about our talk today.
Speaker 2: You know, he summed it up better than anybody ever,
Speaker 2: will you know. We fight not against flesh but against
Speaker 2: powers and principalities and spiritual darkness and evil, right, And
Speaker 2: that's really what he was talking about there. When you
Speaker 2: see these things that are going on in the world,
Speaker 2: the conspiratorial things, it's really just you know, ultimately the
Speaker 2: spiritual warfare that's behind the scenes, and we just live
Speaker 2: in the physical world and that's physical manifestation of the
Speaker 2: spiritual battle that's going on. So, you know, all of
Speaker 2: these conspiratorial things, if that's what your thing is, it's
Speaker 2: really deeper than that. So we like to take those
Speaker 2: things and try to always bring them back to the
Speaker 2: Bible and show, hey, this ain't a new game, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just you know what you're saying, what do you
Speaker 2: what do you always say? New ways to do, the
Speaker 2: newest ways to do the oldest sinning? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So you know that's really kind of the the gateway
Speaker 1: for us, you know, so we kind of cut that
Speaker 1: swoth there. Some weeks you're going to show up and
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking to people about the Bible,
Speaker 1: and then other weeks we're going to be talking about
Speaker 1: you know, aliens and other stuff. So it just kind
Speaker 1: of depends on what's going on Bigfoot. You know, you
Speaker 1: never know a right cryptids who knows I want you
Speaker 1: to want me.
Speaker 3: Indeed, it's a good thing too, is like you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of territorial podcasters out there that that's
Speaker 3: my niche, my niche, that's what I talk about. That's mine,
Speaker 3: you know. And oh there's just there's everybody's doing the
Speaker 3: same thing and it's hard to grow. They get so
Speaker 3: caught up.
Speaker 2: And it's like.
Speaker 3: Your mission should be, you know, just as being said,
Speaker 3: is to educate the body of Christ that is ignorant
Speaker 3: to this stuff and prepare them for the end that
Speaker 3: is coming, because those are going to be the ones
Speaker 3: that Revelations talks about when it says men's hearts will
Speaker 3: fail them for the for the things that they're going
Speaker 3: to see because they're unprepared and ill equipped. So it's
Speaker 3: like we need as many as these as possible because
Speaker 3: there's some people that will hear my southern accent and
Speaker 3: be like, I jeth throw. I know, he don't know nothing.
Speaker 3: You know, he don't know what he's talking about. I
Speaker 3: can tell by his accent. Turn me right off, but
Speaker 3: tune into you guys and listen to what you guys
Speaker 3: have to say, so that everybody. There's many flavors of
Speaker 3: ice cream, and we need to make sure that every
Speaker 3: flavor available is out there. That way they're eating you know,
Speaker 3: the cream, which is the word amen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know exactly, and you know it's ultimately
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You know, we live
Speaker 1: in a we live in a world, especially in America,
Speaker 1: where our brothers and sisters are asleep. You know, these
Speaker 1: are not going into a church and having the pastor.
Speaker 1: I've never heard the pastor at a church speak on
Speaker 1: Genesis six zero times, you know, in my forty years
Speaker 1: up until we started going over here. And that's really
Speaker 1: sad because you know, we do all these kind of
Speaker 1: and nothing against them. I'm not trying to pick on
Speaker 1: anybody in their way of worship, but we need to
Speaker 1: be real about it. You know, all these kind of
Speaker 1: self help studies and sermons series and all this and that.
Speaker 1: You know, that's fine, it has its place, but you know,
Speaker 1: we need to talk about the things of the world
Speaker 1: too and what's going on and be real about stuff.
Speaker 1: Because man, I don't know about anybody else, but I'm
Speaker 1: looking around and I'm like, it's getting pretty dark out there,
Speaker 1: and i don't know about your wallet, but mine's getting
Speaker 1: lighter by the day, and they're taking more and more
Speaker 1: of our freedom and more and more of our money,
Speaker 1: which you whiz, why is that, Well, that's because we're
Speaker 1: kind of wrapping up the spiritual battle for the end times,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think we and even people that
Speaker 1: don't necessarily believe are feeling it too, which is interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, as you were saying a little bit ago,
Speaker 2: I was thinking, the church isn't doing what Christ did
Speaker 2: the churches that going out and meeting people where they're at.
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's what these podcasts are doing.
Speaker 2: Most of the most of the people forget about what
Speaker 2: is said on Sunday when they start their week, and
Speaker 2: whatever they like or listen to through the week, that's
Speaker 2: what they're going to listen to. And how are you
Speaker 2: going to get somebody in and interested if you're not
Speaker 2: going to talk to them about stuff that they're interested in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I can talk to anybody about anything. I
Speaker 2: know a little bit about anything. I mean, I've done it.
Speaker 2: I've done a lot of things. I can talk mechanics, cars, guitars, motorcycles, guns, Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: voch Ness monster, I can talk to a lot of
Speaker 2: different people. And that is how you know the church
Speaker 2: should be. That's how and I think that's what these
Speaker 2: podcasts do. I mean, we are reaching people that most
Speaker 2: churches don't reach, even the new Agers, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's so many people now that have joined
Speaker 3: this New Age deception and they're realizing now that it
Speaker 3: is a deception or the wick and the witchcraft stuff.
Speaker 3: These people have firsthand experience with the supernatural. So then
Speaker 3: they're finally turning to the church and going in and
Speaker 3: talking about their experiences and the things they've seen, the
Speaker 3: things they've experienced, they've touched, and the pastors are like, oh,
Speaker 3: that stuff ain't real.
Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh that book you read all they're just making stuff
Speaker 3: up to sell books. Oh you think that person's going
Speaker 3: to do. They're going to be like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 3: I've summoned these demons. I've seen them in front of me.
Speaker 3: I've had the hat people standing in the corner, sitting
Speaker 3: on my chest and strangling me at night. You're obviously
Speaker 3: an idiot and you don't have the answers. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to go somewhere else and try to find the
Speaker 3: answers that I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the church is the church suffers from such a
Speaker 1: ignorance and a lack of knowledge of even basic scripture.
Speaker 1: You know, for anybody that listens and thanks, oh powers
Speaker 1: and principalities and all that other stuff. You guys are
Speaker 1: just you know, you're just diving in it. You're just
Speaker 1: wanting to play in that world. And you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: touching it. No, no, no, stay away.
Speaker 2: That can't that.
Speaker 1: Stuff isn't real, or if it is, you know it's
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be messing with it, and this and that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay. For those of somebody that would
Speaker 1: say it's not real, the first thing that I would
Speaker 1: reference them to is go back and read the Store
Speaker 1: of the Exodus, Because when Moses is going and meeting
Speaker 1: with Pharaoh and he's throwing his staff on the ground
Speaker 1: and turning into a serpent, and then the two sorcerers
Speaker 1: for the for Pharaoh or throwing their staff on the
Speaker 1: ground and they're turning into serpents too, they could reproduce
Speaker 1: a lot of what Moses was doing. They just couldn't
Speaker 1: stop what Moses was doing in some instances. That should
Speaker 1: tell you something, right that this stuff is real and
Speaker 1: it can manifest itself in real life. And there are
Speaker 1: far too many credible people who have had experiences of
Speaker 1: some kind that you know, are legit to for all
Speaker 1: this stuff to not be real and I always come back.
Speaker 1: We talk on the show a lot about Daniel twelve,
Speaker 1: where it says in the end time knowledge will increase,
Speaker 1: And for me personally, I used to think that that
Speaker 1: was technology because we could see this huge technological shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, happening in the world even still today. But
Speaker 1: the more and more that he and I talk and
Speaker 1: we get into things, I don't think so I think
Speaker 1: what that is is?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: And then he's the one that kind of enlightened me
Speaker 1: to this. It was something that he actually mentioned. I
Speaker 1: think it's spiritual knowledge because we're having this great culling
Speaker 1: that's happening right now in the church and in the
Speaker 1: world where you know, the ones that are asleep are
Speaker 1: going to be over here. It's kind of like the
Speaker 1: parable of the Virgins right when Christ returns.
Speaker 2: You know, we've got.
Speaker 1: Brothers and sisters in Christ and a lot of the
Speaker 1: world who either are asleep or have rejected him. And
Speaker 1: then we have the other side over there where we're like, man,
Speaker 1: you all need to take the red pill because it's
Speaker 1: like you got to wake up because this is getting bad,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's really what Daniel might
Speaker 1: have been talking about. There and not necessarily technology. So
Speaker 1: we're definitely in the I know every generation thinks that
Speaker 1: they're in the end. But there's just there's some something
Speaker 1: different this time around. You know. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that looks like. I don't know what it is. We
Speaker 1: have some suspicions on when it might be.
Speaker 3: Believe in the astrology, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 3: says in Genesis he put the moon and the stars
Speaker 3: and all that in the firmament for signs and for seasons.
Speaker 3: And you read Revelation there's so much astronomical stuff. And Jesus,
Speaker 3: what did he say to everybody? He said, I'll be
Speaker 3: with you until the end of the age? Yep, Well
Speaker 3: what's in age? That's twenty six hundred years. That's you know,
Speaker 3: when the sun rises in a certain constellation. That's how
Speaker 3: you determine these ages. That takes twenty six hundred years,
Speaker 3: you know. Graham Hancock, you know we've talked about that
Speaker 3: pre roll. He's all over that, and he's not a
Speaker 3: Christ and he understands it, you know, and it says
Speaker 3: plainly in there. And Revelation was to say, in the end,
Speaker 3: I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh and
Speaker 3: knowledge will increase, you know. So if he's pouring, well
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Speaker 3: To me, I mean that that's that's what he's talking about,
Speaker 3: and just maybe coincidence, but that's the next age that
Speaker 3: we're coming into. Yeah, I knowledge is definitely increasing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy. He just dropped some truth there, buddy.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, it's it's interesting too that you bring
Speaker 1: that up, because it's an interesting tie into kind of
Speaker 1: I know, we had talked today about you know, what
Speaker 1: we were we were going to discuss. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to prim too much there, but it's just interesting
Speaker 1: too how astrology is being used for You can use
Speaker 1: it for good or you can use It's like anything, man,
Speaker 1: you know, you can use it for good or you
Speaker 1: can use it for evil, right, because it was given
Speaker 1: to us to kind of pay attention to. But then
Speaker 1: obviously you get into tarot cards and you get into
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the pure you know, course go
Speaker 1: horoscopes and all that stuff, and you can you start
Speaker 1: playing in some of the devil's devil's playground and some
Speaker 1: of the spiritual playground that you're just not equipped to plan.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of an interesting thing that all that
Speaker 2: stuff's interesting. I mean really it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, yeah, I mean yeah, because how we
Speaker 1: get there, right, that's the fascinating thing, Like what it
Speaker 1: really is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, where does it come from? Well, i
Speaker 2: mean God put it there for a reason, that's for sure. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: The devil always perverts and distorts the things that God creates.
Speaker 3: You know, nothing news under the sun.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, the great count.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can transition, because I know, we had
Speaker 3: picked a topic to kind of dive into, and I'm
Speaker 3: actually really excited to hear what you have found and
Speaker 3: come up with. I tried to do a quick little
Speaker 3: eighth grade thirty minute cram session before the test, so
Speaker 3: I'm really leaning in on you guys today. Uh oh fool,
Speaker 3: So yeah, you fool. But just introduced the topic and
Speaker 3: the idea that we were talking about and kind of
Speaker 3: walk au see in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that poor Ben he's the one he gets
Speaker 1: to hear me talk about this all the time, because
Speaker 1: I'm just like a dog with a bone with it.
Speaker 1: But I when I started diving into the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 1: obviously that was just the tip of the iceberg, right,
Speaker 1: And really what you find out as you find out, okay,
Speaker 1: where does it come from? And you wind up back
Speaker 1: in Kumran. You always wind up back in Kumran the
Speaker 1: Dead Sea scrolls, and so you start digging in and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, what else was in there?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because obviously this was in there, and it sure helps
Speaker 1: understand your Bible a whole other level. And one of
Speaker 1: the other books that you'll find that was in you know,
Speaker 1: fairly abundant supply. Now I'm gonna stop there, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to say to say that there were more copies
Speaker 1: of this than something else is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a fallacy because you have to understand, they're finding pieces
Speaker 1: of this stuff, right, and they're having pieces together. But
Speaker 1: they found a lot of the Book of Jubilees. And
Speaker 1: for me, the Book of Jubilees is kind of the
Speaker 1: diamond and the rough that everybody focuses on the Book
Speaker 1: of nich but they don't really give a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, pay much attention to the Book of Jubilees.
Speaker 1: And the Book of Jubilees is incredible from a historical
Speaker 1: perspective and being providing a lot more detail of a
Speaker 1: lot of the events that happened leading up to the exodus.
Speaker 1: And just for those of you that have not read
Speaker 1: the Book of Jubilees or maybe aren't familiar with it,
Speaker 1: what you're going to find and you can get it
Speaker 1: out there. We've got it on our website too, So
Speaker 1: if you go to the TFHC dot com or actually
Speaker 1: on our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: I think it's on our Facebook page.
Speaker 1: If you go over there and you dig, you'll find
Speaker 1: a PDF copy and you can find it out there,
Speaker 1: easy to read it, so it won't cost you anything.
Speaker 1: But when you find what you're going to find is
Speaker 1: it's written from the perspective, it's being dictated to Moses
Speaker 1: while he's up on Mount Sinai at God's instruction via
Speaker 1: an angel to him. So God says, okay, fill him
Speaker 1: in on everything that happened up to this point. So
Speaker 1: again he's on the mountain for the forty days and
Speaker 1: Sinai as a matter of fact, actually it picks up
Speaker 1: if you want to find it in your Bible. It
Speaker 1: actually drops in at Exodus twenty four to twelve is
Speaker 1: where the Book of Jubilees would really kind of start.
Speaker 1: And so this angel is dictating to Moses everything that
Speaker 1: happened from the creation all the way up to that point.
Speaker 1: And it gets into some fascinating things that you are
Speaker 1: not going to get in the Bible and you do
Speaker 1: not get in Genesis specifically. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that you find when you start digging into Enoch, but
Speaker 1: you definitely find when you dig into the Book of
Speaker 1: Jubilees is Genesis has written very cliff notes style.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like if you were going to
Speaker 1: watch your favorite sitcom and you come in and you
Speaker 1: sit down, they're going to have that quick little you know,
Speaker 1: one minute, one and a half minute kind of you
Speaker 1: know trailer if you will, of hey, on previous episodes,
Speaker 1: here's what we had happened. This is pretty much what
Speaker 1: you're going to get in Genesis up to a certain
Speaker 1: point because it was very well known to them, right,
Speaker 1: this was kind of well known to the readers back
Speaker 1: in the day. Now not so much for us. In
Speaker 1: the twenty first century Western Church. But back in the
Speaker 1: day this was old information. So you need things like
Speaker 1: the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch to
Speaker 1: kind of dive in there. And Jubilees a lot of
Speaker 1: times provides a lot more detail even than the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch does, because Enoch is really going to focus
Speaker 1: mainly on that Genesis six and then we kind of
Speaker 1: get into kind of the animal apocalypse and other things too,
Speaker 1: But Jubilees is walking you through that account in much
Speaker 1: greater detail. We get information as to what happened in
Speaker 1: the garden in more detail. You know how long they
Speaker 1: were in the garden before that happened, and all kinds
Speaker 1: of other things. But one of the interesting things that
Speaker 1: we kind of zeroed in for our discussion today was
Speaker 1: we have a person. If you go look in your Bible,
Speaker 1: there is an individual who is missing in the account
Speaker 1: in Genesis ten. When you go compare the genealogical record
Speaker 1: and you look at who begat who, especially after the flood,
Speaker 1: there is an individual that is not present either in
Speaker 1: Genesis or in chronicles, that is present in Luke's accounting
Speaker 1: of Christ's lineage. When you go back and that person's
Speaker 1: name is Kinum ki n am or Cii, n an
Speaker 1: or ci in Am. They various different spellings, but Kindum
Speaker 1: is what we're going to roll with. And that's very
Speaker 1: interesting to me because when you start digging in, and
Speaker 1: when I found this, I was like, well, this is
Speaker 1: really curious, and I kind of have this cued up.
Speaker 1: So I'll go ahead and read it from the Book
Speaker 1: of Jubilees. And this is in chapter eight. And just
Speaker 1: to preface this arapha shot or our facts hat or
Speaker 1: however you want to say, it is actually this end
Speaker 1: of Vigil's father in Genesis. It says that he was
Speaker 1: the father of Sheila, and by all accounts, I'm going
Speaker 1: to actually say that that does not appear to be
Speaker 1: the case. So I'll go ahead and pick it up
Speaker 1: in the twenty ninth Jubilee in the first week, so
Speaker 1: this is year thirteen seventy three from creation Anno Mundi.
Speaker 1: In the beginning theref Rafashot took himself a wife, and
Speaker 1: her name was Rohusia, the daughter of Susan, the daughter
Speaker 1: of Elam, and she bare him a son. In the
Speaker 1: third year in this week, so that's thirteen seventy five
Speaker 1: and called his name Kainum, and the son grew and
Speaker 1: his father taught him writing, and he went to seek
Speaker 1: for himself a place where he could seize for himself
Speaker 1: a city. I'm going to pause there, because that's your
Speaker 1: first indication that this dude probably ain't that good a guy, right,
Speaker 1: because he's going and he's going to seize for himself
Speaker 1: a city, meaning I'm going to take somebody's that doesn't
Speaker 1: belong to me, right, That's kind of the gist that
Speaker 1: you're given there. And he found a writing which former
Speaker 1: generations had carved on the rock, and he read what
Speaker 1: was there on and he transcribed it and send owing
Speaker 1: to it, for it contained teachings of the watchers in
Speaker 1: accordance with which they had used to observe the omens
Speaker 1: of the sun and the moon and the stars and
Speaker 1: all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down
Speaker 1: and said nothing regarding it, for he was afraid to
Speaker 1: speak to Noah about it, lest he should be angry
Speaker 1: with him on account of it. And so you have
Speaker 1: a very clear link that was just drawn between this
Speaker 1: person and that lost watcher technology or information knowledge, if
Speaker 1: you will, that we tried to wipe clean when we
Speaker 1: had the flood. Now, the other interesting thing that you
Speaker 1: find when you dive in here more is this individual,
Speaker 1: when you start looking at the lineage existed at the
Speaker 1: same time as Neimrod, he was actually Nimrod's cousin, all right.
Speaker 1: And it's just interesting because as you dive in more,
Speaker 1: and I've only started to get into the very surface
Speaker 1: of this, but I feel like there's a lot more
Speaker 1: information that's there that leads us down the road of
Speaker 1: we now have connected Nimrod to the Watchers via a
Speaker 1: cousin potentially. And you can clearly see that now we
Speaker 1: have this what was purged, we've now opened the door
Speaker 1: for this to come back. And I find it very
Speaker 1: curious that this particular person is accused of doing this
Speaker 1: thing that involves the Watchers, and they seemingly have been
Speaker 1: scrubbed from the record in Genesis and the record in Chronicles.
Speaker 3: This is crazy because it ties into a conversation that
Speaker 3: I recently had with doctor Judd and doctor Aaron Judkins
Speaker 3: on go Beckley tape. I mentioned this account because I
Speaker 3: was trying to figure out, you know, with go Beckley Tappe,
Speaker 3: do they believe that this was a pre flood site
Speaker 3: or a post flood site. And then when I mentioned
Speaker 3: the post flood, I had meant and I said, there's
Speaker 3: a story in Jubilees about this guy finding these stones
Speaker 3: with the writings and teachings of the watchers. I said,
Speaker 3: you know, could this be go Beckley Teppe. So that's
Speaker 3: pretty interesting just that I had that conversation and now
Speaker 3: we're having this. You know, that's well God's timing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, sir, do you want me to help you
Speaker 1: even a little further than that? Here's the interesting Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is crazy that we're having this. I'm
Speaker 1: getting some goosebumps right now because because it was like,
Speaker 1: this is a conversation we already had right exactly. So
Speaker 1: as I started digging into this, one of the things
Speaker 1: that you can go find on Wikipedia. And I know
Speaker 1: anybody can go into Wikipedia and write anything, but I
Speaker 1: still think it's a pretty good source and you can
Speaker 1: go vett it yourself when you go to Haron Turkey,
Speaker 1: which we should be familiar with that because we're going
Speaker 1: to get into this because there's more tie in here
Speaker 1: and I want to read some more stuff out the
Speaker 1: Book of Jubilees that we don't necessarily get in genie
Speaker 1: about Abraham, because this really ties into Abraham too down
Speaker 1: the line. But one of the things that you find
Speaker 1: about heron Turkey, which is actually due north of Syria. Okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of times I think for me anyway, geographically
Speaker 1: we think Turkey is pretty far away from Israel, but
Speaker 1: then the northeastern part or really the southeastern part of
Speaker 1: Turkey really isn't that far, right, And for our biblical forefathers,
Speaker 1: they're kind of trans working in this whole area here.
Speaker 1: But allegedly this individual kind of was the founder of Heron,
Speaker 1: and Heron literally is what forty five minutes away from
Speaker 1: go Beckley Teppe and forty five minutes away from Karen Teppy.
Speaker 1: So you literally have, geographically right in this same area,
Speaker 1: you have these two sites.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: The other thing too is if you go pretty much
Speaker 1: due north of there and you go through the mountain range,
Speaker 1: you run into the mountains of Era right, which again
Speaker 1: in Jubilees, you get more of an account of the
Speaker 1: specific peak because when you say Mount Arad, everybody thinks, oh,
Speaker 1: like you know, Mount Saint Helens. There's just this singular
Speaker 1: mountain runnered around up there. But that's not really how
Speaker 1: it works. Like when you say Mount Hermone, there are
Speaker 1: actually three main peaks of Mount Hermon, right, And I
Speaker 1: think it actually talks in Jubilees as well. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: Enoch where it talks about the specific peak that the
Speaker 1: watchers came down on, which was Mount Artists. You get
Speaker 1: the same exact thing in Jubilees when it talks about
Speaker 1: which peak the arc landed on, which was Loubar. But
Speaker 1: either way, you can see that right here in this
Speaker 1: geographical area all together, right, we have kind of the
Speaker 1: restarting of civilization, so it would make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense that this individual would kind of be in this area.
Speaker 1: So the fascinating thing is when we read what we
Speaker 1: just did about him, and this is something that as
Speaker 1: I was doing a kind of a second read through
Speaker 1: of Jubilees before we had ever even really talked about
Speaker 1: kind of doing the show with my wife, I caught
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, oh wow, that's awesome, and it
Speaker 1: sure ties everything together. Now it says specifically that it
Speaker 1: says that he had found information to observe the omens
Speaker 1: of the sun and moon and stars, right, so we
Speaker 1: can tell this is celestial knowledge. Well, gee whiz, isn't
Speaker 1: it fascinating that every site that we find out there, right,
Speaker 1: whether it was pre flood or what we think would
Speaker 1: we would think would be pre flood or really old
Speaker 1: or maybe a post flood site, always seems to celestially align.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a site out there that
Speaker 1: doesn't celestial align either with it's outlined like Oriyan, or
Speaker 1: it lines up with the solstices or any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: And then what you find when you read the account
Speaker 1: of Abraham is Abraham actually grew up in er of
Speaker 1: the Childies, right, which is right there in that kind
Speaker 1: of area where we had Babylon and Nineveh and all
Speaker 1: these towns right there where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Chaldeans were historically known for being astronomers and
Speaker 3: looking at the stars and mapping all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also a legend that when he died his
Speaker 1: children Kinum. When Kinum died, his children made kind of
Speaker 1: a god of him and worshiped him because of all
Speaker 1: this knowledge that he had.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And when we go and we pick up with the
Speaker 1: account of Abraham, we can see that Abraham was raised
Speaker 1: over there, and we don't really get the full picture
Speaker 1: in Genesis like we do in Jubilees of what happened
Speaker 1: that caused him to leave to go back to Heron
Speaker 1: right because he left, his dad's name was heron Right,
Speaker 1: which leads you to believe that maybe his dad was
Speaker 1: involved in founding Heron but that really doesn't jive from
Speaker 1: a timeline perspective. But they flee and they wind it
Speaker 1: back in Heron. Well, what you find in the Book
Speaker 1: of Jubilees. The reason for that is they were all
Speaker 1: worshiping these sun and moon gods and goddesses, and the
Speaker 1: goddess of the moon is actually her name is sin
Speaker 1: Si n Okay, which is ironic n of sin later, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know the funny thing about that when you
Speaker 1: go look at Wilderness of sin. So this is a
Speaker 1: fun one for everybody to go on Google, and Google's
Speaker 1: like Wikipedia. Anybody can go on there and drop a
Speaker 1: pin on there. But it's still interesting because I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the case of how this wound up. When
Speaker 1: you go over and you take Google Google Maps and
Speaker 1: you pull it out on Saudi Arabia in that area
Speaker 1: where they think that the Red Sea crossing happened, you're
Speaker 1: going to see that's still to this day called the
Speaker 1: Wilderness of Sin, which I find interesting. So as we
Speaker 1: move forward and we kind of look at this, you know,
Speaker 1: Abraham went in to the place where they were keeping
Speaker 1: all these idols that they were worshiping, and he set
Speaker 1: a place on fire, right, And so you get this
Speaker 1: account where the reason that his brother died is because
Speaker 1: he ran in to try to save all of these
Speaker 1: idols and stuff that they were worshiping, and he died.
Speaker 2: He got cooked to death.
Speaker 1: And so you know, Abraham is basically turning away from
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and he's starting to challenge even his
Speaker 1: dad because his dad's worshiping this stuff too. And his
Speaker 1: dad basically says, you know, what do you want me
Speaker 1: to do? If I really turn against this stuff? The
Speaker 1: people that I work for and everybody around here, they're
Speaker 1: going to kill me, right.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 1: So he sets all this stuff on fire and his
Speaker 1: brother dies. That's how he wound up with lot because
Speaker 1: his dad basically says, Okay, you need to get out
Speaker 1: of here, go ahead and go back to heron and
Speaker 1: take a lot with you. So that's how he winds
Speaker 1: up taking a lot with him. He actually killed his
Speaker 1: father accidentally. He didn't mean to.
Speaker 3: It's extremely similar to Jack Sure. Jasher's story was he
Speaker 3: went in and bust the Idols and the littles Nimrod,
Speaker 3: and then they try to throw them in a furnace,
Speaker 3: and his brother dies in the furnace, but Abraham survives,
Speaker 3: and that's how he gets lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you.
Speaker 3: Still have the fire and the idols and just a
Speaker 3: little different faceline.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'll read this to everybody from a little snippet
Speaker 1: of Jubilee. So this is in Jubilees twelve. So in
Speaker 1: the sixtieth year of the life of abrahamers. Yeah, sixtieth
Speaker 1: year the life Abraham. That is in the fourth week
Speaker 1: and the fourth year thereof. So nineteen thirty six, Abraham
Speaker 1: arose by night and burned the house of the Idols,
Speaker 1: and he burned all that was in the house, and
Speaker 1: no man knew it. And they arose in the night
Speaker 1: and sought to save their gods from the midst of
Speaker 1: the fire. And Heron hasted to save them, but the
Speaker 1: fire flamed over him. Excuse me, Tera was Abraham's father,
Speaker 1: not Heron. Heron was his brother. I apologize, I said,
Speaker 1: there wrong earlier. The fire flamed over him, and he
Speaker 1: was burnt in the fire, and he died, and her
Speaker 1: of the childies before Tara his father, and they buried
Speaker 1: him and Earth the childies, and Tara went forth from
Speaker 1: Earth the childies, he and his sons to go into
Speaker 1: the land of Lebanon, which at the time must have
Speaker 1: also kind of Lebanon stretched up and had this area
Speaker 1: in that and into the land of Canaan. And he
Speaker 1: dwelt in the land of Heron. And Abraham dwelt with Tara,
Speaker 1: his father and hero in two weeks of years. And
Speaker 1: this is the interesting part. When I read this the
Speaker 1: second time through, I'm like, okay, it's making sense to
Speaker 1: me why we had this little snippet about Kinum earlier.
Speaker 1: And in the sixth week the fifth year thereof so
Speaker 1: one ninety five or nineteen fifty one, antil Moondy, Abraham
Speaker 1: sat up throughout the night on the new moon of
Speaker 1: the seventh month to observe the stars from the evening
Speaker 1: to the morning, in order to see what would be
Speaker 1: the character of the year regarding the reins. And he
Speaker 1: was alone, and he sat and observed, and the word
Speaker 1: came to his heart and he said, all the signs
Speaker 1: of the stars, and the signs of the moon and
Speaker 1: of the sun are all in the hand of the Lord.
Speaker 1: Why do I search them out? If he desires, he
Speaker 1: causes it to rain morning and evening. And if he desires,
Speaker 1: he withholds it. And all the things are in his hand.
Speaker 1: And he prayed that night and said, My God, God
Speaker 1: most High, Thou alone art my God, and thee and
Speaker 1: thy dominion have I chosen, and now has created all things,
Speaker 1: and all things are the work of thy hands. So
Speaker 1: you can see here what you don't normally get, you
Speaker 1: know when you kind of first glance through that, is that, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's having this conversation, he's decided to dedicate himself to God.
Speaker 2: But really what he's.
Speaker 1: Doing he's turning away from all of that watcher you know,
Speaker 1: set up that we clearly had a little bit prior
Speaker 1: with Kinum, right, we had that in there for a
Speaker 1: reason in the Book of Jubilees, because it obviously re
Speaker 1: brought in all of this false God worship into the mix.
Speaker 1: And that's what you've got going rampant right all in
Speaker 1: that area and all of these places, and Abraham is
Speaker 1: turning away from that, and that's why you know, you
Speaker 1: can see that God chooses Abraham.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the owing to the gods I found curious when
Speaker 3: I was reading that account. It said that when Caanum
Speaker 3: found these stones and discovered the the sun, moon and
Speaker 3: stars and all that stuff, it said. But then it
Speaker 3: has just like a little snippet at the end of it,
Speaker 3: you know, it says, and thus was owing to them.
Speaker 2: And send owing to it is what it says in
Speaker 2: this version. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fascinating, Like you can see clearly
Speaker 1: and you kind of have the setup, like I stopped before,
Speaker 1: you can tell the mentality of this individual because it
Speaker 1: says that he's not going to go, you know, found
Speaker 1: himself a city. No, no, no, he's going to go steal
Speaker 1: and take someone's someone else's city, right, And so you
Speaker 1: can see the natural next leap when you get to
Speaker 1: that into that sense and says it's you know, he's
Speaker 1: sandowing to it. Well, that makes a lot of sense, right,
Speaker 1: because that's where his mentality is.
Speaker 2: He's like, well, oh well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, might as well, right, might as well make good
Speaker 1: of it, make use of it. And the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is you can clearly tell in there that he's deliberately
Speaker 1: hiding this from from Noah right because he does not
Speaker 1: want Noah to know this, because Noah would not be happy.
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Speaker 1: The other interesting thing about this that you get in
Speaker 1: jubilees that makes things make a whole lot more sense
Speaker 1: is geography and understan standing how everything was divided up
Speaker 1: after the flood. You know, we don't get that in
Speaker 1: Genesis ten and the Table of Nations when we're talking
Speaker 1: about that, it doesn't get into detail on how things
Speaker 1: were divided up and what you find out. And you
Speaker 1: can kind of if you really are if you're really
Speaker 1: savvy and you're really good and you really dig in there,
Speaker 1: you'll kind of connect the dots in the Bible.
Speaker 2: But man, most people are not going to do it.
Speaker 2: You need a map with names.
Speaker 1: You need a map with names, and you're really going
Speaker 1: to have to really think on multiple levels deep.
Speaker 2: And then you think you would need a map from
Speaker 2: Genesis to the map when they went into the land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to need all that. But geography is important, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what Jubileese does is it clearly outlines Okay, we
Speaker 1: just had the flood happen, right, and we wipe everything clean. Well,
Speaker 1: now there's three sons, right, how are we going to
Speaker 1: divide up the whole earth between these three boys? And
Speaker 1: so they sit down and they have a plan. Well,
Speaker 1: Shim got a larger portion because he was the first born,
Speaker 1: which is very normal, right, So he gets his portion,
Speaker 1: and Ham gets his portion, and granted, we've already had
Speaker 1: the event happen in the tent where we saw him
Speaker 1: naked and all this, and we covered him up, and
Speaker 1: then we have Jafath, and so he gets his portion.
Speaker 1: And what you find out was when it goes through
Speaker 1: the boundary lines for each of these brothers, because then
Speaker 1: the brothers have sons, right, and so now we've got
Speaker 1: all these different people, how are we going to divide
Speaker 1: up the earth.
Speaker 2: And so they kind of.
Speaker 1: Meet in secret, if you will, and kind of divide
Speaker 1: things up even beyond that, and then they go to
Speaker 1: Noah right before he dies, not too long before he dies,
Speaker 1: and tell him, okay, here's how we agreed to do,
Speaker 1: you know, divide everything up. And so Noah's like, okay,
Speaker 1: you all agree. Just promised me that you won't start
Speaker 1: to kill each other and fight over each other's land,
Speaker 1: you know, from here on out, because that's why we
Speaker 1: had the flood, you know. Don't start shedding blood again
Speaker 1: and murdering each other and drinking blood and doing all
Speaker 1: the things we were doing before the flood. And they're like, oh, Daddy,
Speaker 1: we promised. And then, of course, the minute he dies
Speaker 1: they start going at each other. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that you find is Abraham came from Schem's line,
Speaker 1: and obviously Canaan came from Ham's line. Well Canaan, and
Speaker 1: it clearly says it in the Book of Jubilees. When
Speaker 1: they were dividing things up, he went to where he
Speaker 1: you know, what his portion was, and he looked around.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: this sucks. I don't like it here. So he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want to go back over to the you know,
Speaker 1: this land over here, which is now you know what
Speaker 1: would become the Promised Land modern day Israel, and then
Speaker 1: even more territory beyond that. And he's like, I'm taking this.
Speaker 1: And his brother and his dad, his brothers and his
Speaker 1: dad went to him and said, don't do that, or
Speaker 1: you're going to be cursed forever, you and your offspring,
Speaker 1: because we promised and made an note to God that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't do this, and we promised, you know, dad
Speaker 1: and granddad, we wouldn't do this in each other. And
Speaker 1: he's like, yeh, and I'm doing it anyway, and he
Speaker 1: does it. So ultimately, what we see in the Bible
Speaker 1: is you know, a lot of times we just think
Speaker 1: God magically picked this land out for them to go
Speaker 1: ahead and take ownership of and he's taking it away
Speaker 1: from someone else. That's not really what's happening. What's actually
Speaker 1: really happening is God is giving back the land that
Speaker 1: already rightfully belonged to them through lineage anyway, and was
Speaker 1: stolen from them by the Canaanites and by Him and
Speaker 1: Canaan So it's it's actually God is righting or wrong
Speaker 1: in that particular case. And so when we go in,
Speaker 1: we can also see, you know, all of the things
Speaker 1: that you know, we're going on there. We have all
Speaker 1: of the refium that have popped up everywhere in this
Speaker 1: area that they're going in and wiping out, you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times even the women and the children.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole nother thing. But you know, people
Speaker 1: don't understand that history and ultimately the promised land was
Speaker 1: to begin with, and it was stolen from them all
Speaker 1: the way back after the flood. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of a fascinating thing that, again you're not going to
Speaker 1: get in the Bible, but you will get in the
Speaker 1: Book of Jubilees.
Speaker 3: And why do you think that his name which I
Speaker 3: have my own conjectures, but it's why do you think
Speaker 3: that he was scrubbed from all the genealogies and lists
Speaker 3: inside of the sixty six book?
Speaker 2: Cannon the only thing that makes any sense to me.
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit more to what I'm going
Speaker 1: to say, so I kind of explain that to why
Speaker 1: I think this the smoking gun for me keeps coming
Speaker 1: back to the Watchers. There's something to do with the watchers. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we just didn't want that information in there. I think
Speaker 1: that there's been a concerted effort to have that information removed,
Speaker 1: because if you start to dig into that, then you
Speaker 1: start to dig into spiritual warfare, And if you dig
Speaker 1: into spiritual warfare and you dig into that backstory, then
Speaker 1: you're going to understand what Christ was doing. Reaphilippi at
Speaker 1: the base of Mount Hermone during the transfiguration and everything
Speaker 1: else up there, he's basically pointing at that event in
Speaker 1: Genesis six and he's saying, I'm taking this back, and
Speaker 1: I think that there are a lot of powers behind
Speaker 1: that that don't want the light of day to come out,
Speaker 1: the information to come out, though they don't want to
Speaker 1: see the light of day, because it will remove a
Speaker 1: lot of their power structure. One of the things is
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, because ultimately what we have happened is
Speaker 1: Cesarea Philippi, is we have Peter becomes the first Pope.
Speaker 1: And that's really the bit part, the minor part of
Speaker 1: the story, that's not really what's happening there. What's happening
Speaker 1: there is a declaration of undoing of what happened in
Speaker 1: Genesis six when the watchers came down and that became
Speaker 1: Satan's battleground in Satan's home front, and this all goes
Speaker 1: back together. One of the things that I've found where
Speaker 1: again we have another d it appears like something has
Speaker 1: been altered, you know. And it's pretty hard to pend
Speaker 1: the tale on the donkey of oh, we made a
Speaker 1: clerical error somewhere along the way, and then somebody just
Speaker 1: kept copying it over and over and over again. It
Speaker 1: really doesn't hold water with me when you look at
Speaker 1: the genealogical account of begetting ages right when people were born,
Speaker 1: when people had sons, when people died pre flood, the
Speaker 1: account with Genesis and Jubilees are in lockstep until we
Speaker 1: get to Jared and then magically we get off by
Speaker 1: like sixty or one hundred years or something like that.
Speaker 1: And that too is curious to me, because what do
Speaker 1: we know happened in the days of Jared. Well, thanks
Speaker 1: to the Book of Enoch, we know specifically during the
Speaker 1: days of Jared, who was Enoch's father, that's when the
Speaker 1: Watchers came down. That's when the Watchers came down to
Speaker 1: try to assist mankind and then decided to do what
Speaker 1: they decided to do.
Speaker 2: Because we can.
Speaker 3: Clearly sam implies descending.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and so we have again we have another clerical
Speaker 1: error or some kind of issue that's popped up where
Speaker 1: the accounts don't match anymore. And what's the commonality between
Speaker 1: the two the Watchers.
Speaker 2: It was talking to a guy just in passing and
Speaker 2: he he listened to one of our shows, and so
Speaker 2: we get into this discussion of why he thinks things
Speaker 2: are messed up in the Bible. This is just yeah.
Speaker 2: And he said, well, I think it if they don't
Speaker 2: bring up the Watchers or any kind of spiritual being,
Speaker 2: that's all on us. We're the ones that screwed up,
Speaker 2: and they can control us that way. They said, if
Speaker 2: there's any outside influence of something happening. He said, then
Speaker 2: he goes it ruins their whole hierarchy, It ruins the
Speaker 2: power being able to Lord. And that was just some
Speaker 2: dude that that's pretty pretty. See.
Speaker 3: I think Christians, I think they change a lot of
Speaker 3: that stuff to try to protect or help God because
Speaker 3: we I see stuff like that all the time. You know,
Speaker 3: like when you get into Uh Samuel and the Book
Speaker 3: of Kings where it talks about David doing the census.
Speaker 3: You know, in the original one it says that Yahweh
Speaker 3: tempts David to do a census and he fails the temptation,
Speaker 3: and Yahweh becomes angry with him. Then when you get
Speaker 3: to the Book of Kings you get the retelling of
Speaker 3: that story, Well, then it becomes uh, the Hacitan tempts
Speaker 3: David to take the census and becomes angry. So it's like,
Speaker 3: my opinion is the person retelling the story sees that,
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that makes that makes Yahweh look bad. Uh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put the Hacitan dead because it paints Yeahweh
Speaker 3: in a better life, right, you know, I'm protecting the
Speaker 3: image of Yahweh. And then just as we talked pre Roll,
Speaker 3: we've both talked to Doug van Dorn, and in his
Speaker 3: book Conspiracy Theory, he plainly lays out that the masoretic
Speaker 3: texts have been changed in the genealogies and they've extended
Speaker 3: the life of Shim to purposefully make him alive during
Speaker 3: the days of Melchisa Dex so they can say that
Speaker 3: Shim was Malkisa Dect, not Jesus. And we all know
Speaker 3: how they felt about Jesus, so they did not want
Speaker 3: anybody pointing back to Melkisa dec and making that connection
Speaker 3: with Jesus like they tried to do in the Book
Speaker 3: of Hebrews. So how do they do that. We'll just
Speaker 3: manipulate the text. We'll make Shim a couple hundred years
Speaker 3: older and or ever how long. I can't remember how
Speaker 3: long it was, but we'll just extend his life so
Speaker 3: that way he's a lie during the days of Melkisa
Speaker 3: dec and boom, that's whom Malkisa dec is, not Jesus.
Speaker 3: And interesting, right here you have this blood line of Christ.
Speaker 3: That's what they're showing within these genealogies. So the original one,
Speaker 3: if they were historically correct, had this kandom guy in
Speaker 3: it and then somebody my opinion, seeing it, was like, ooh,
Speaker 3: this was a bad dude. It kind of taints the
Speaker 3: blood line of Christ. I will just get rid of him.
Speaker 3: Will help the image of Christ. Yeah, I mean hell
Speaker 3: is paved, you know, with the roads of good intention. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I probably butchered that phrase, but you know what I'm
Speaker 3: getting at. And some people Christians, they get so tore
Speaker 3: up man that they will put out those pitchforks and
Speaker 3: light those torches and come after me when I make
Speaker 3: comments like, you know, hey, the Bible is a divine
Speaker 3: word of God. I believe one hundred percent that the
Speaker 3: overall arching theme of Christ salvation, the important things are
Speaker 3: protected by the hand of God. But we clearly see
Speaker 3: that there's change has been made. And yeah, for you
Speaker 3: to deny that is you just being in denial. I
Speaker 3: mean we see it in the historical record. So it's
Speaker 3: like and also you get warnings, you know, curse it
Speaker 3: is the man who adds or takes away from this word. Well,
Speaker 3: why I give that warning if it's impossible or not
Speaker 3: happening to begin with?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeap, ye had something I was going to say
Speaker 2: that the whole David think God probably just used Satan
Speaker 2: as a proxy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing too, is like I'm listening to
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, man, isn't it isn't it just
Speaker 1: like man to think that it's to be so arrogant
Speaker 1: to think that we need to protect God from himself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I it's just the fallacy when you
Speaker 1: really take a step back and you look in the
Speaker 1: mirror of what you're really thinking is just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how about you just leave the leave God's job?
Speaker 2: Alone, I will.
Speaker 4: Say that I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to get into it, but we have we
Speaker 2: we knew somebody that a lot of bad things happen
Speaker 2: with this family, and that is one thing I still
Speaker 2: could my wife and I we still question why why
Speaker 2: would God let that happen? And I mean it was
Speaker 2: like it was devastating, and I mean these kids lost
Speaker 2: both their parents when they were young. Yeah, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I still I can't, you know, Yeah, And that was
Speaker 2: just like, that's and that's the only one I've ever questioned,
Speaker 2: can you believe that? No?
Speaker 3: And that's something I think a lot of atheists will
Speaker 3: straw man an attack, you know, the pain and suffering
Speaker 3: of not just people in general, but even good people.
Speaker 3: And it's because the Church is not talking about the
Speaker 3: supernatural worldview that is in the Bible.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Deteronomi thirty two says plainly that the earth, the nations,
Speaker 3: the peoples were divided amongst the sons of God, the
Speaker 3: benehai Elohem. So it's the rulers and principalities that Paul's
Speaker 3: talking about. And then they'll say, oh, well, if your
Speaker 3: God is real, you know, look at the world around you.
Speaker 3: Why is it so evil. I mean, if your god's real,
Speaker 3: he's just a crappy god. No, it's because these rulers
Speaker 3: and principalities are still ruling today by proxy through the leaders.
Speaker 3: And God is a god of his word. He made
Speaker 3: a contract with his sons, you know, the princes, and
Speaker 3: they are ruling. But when Jesus came, he declared his kingdom,
Speaker 3: which he said, his kingdom is not of this world,
Speaker 3: and all authority and power being given unto him. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's true, but his kingdom is not.
Speaker 2: Of this world.
Speaker 3: So therefore we have to revoke our citizens from these
Speaker 3: rulers and principalities and apply for citizenship for his kingdom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's awesome man, that's sure. It's like every time
Speaker 2: I hear that, it's a I love hearing that. I
Speaker 2: mean that just it's totally different than the salvation message
Speaker 2: that we hear every day. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 2: great stagnation that's happened to among Really what we're talking
Speaker 2: that's really what we're talking about, right, I was one
Speaker 2: of them. So like, if you're listening to me and
Speaker 2: you think I'm being judging you, no, I'm just speaking
Speaker 2: from personal experience because I was one of those people.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I always like to say that I was the most
Speaker 1: dangerous Christian. I was luke warm, you know, and neither
Speaker 1: hot nor cold. I spit you out of my mouth.
Speaker 1: I went to Ajuana as a kid. I had all
Speaker 1: these Bible verses rattling around upstairs, but I wasn't doing
Speaker 1: anything for it. I was completely useless when it came
Speaker 1: to being useful for God.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of living my life, and God
Speaker 1: was there in the drawer to get out when I
Speaker 1: needed him and go to church on Sunday and check
Speaker 1: the box and do the thing. And that is a
Speaker 1: very stagnant way to you. Don't your faith is dead,
Speaker 1: you know, you just have a dead faith and when
Speaker 1: you start to dig in God. Mike Kiser said it best.
Speaker 1: You know, why are we trying to protect people from
Speaker 1: their Bibles? You know, why are we doing that. We
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We don't need to protect
Speaker 1: people from God. God is here to God's an open book,
Speaker 1: right to tell us what happened. Here's the truth, here's
Speaker 1: the the reality of everything. Here's where you come from.
Speaker 1: Because I think that's for me, that's like I just
Speaker 1: want to know where I come from, Like, I want
Speaker 1: to know the backstory, right, I want to know the truth.
Speaker 1: And I find so much of the time I am
Speaker 1: taking all of I have forty years of bad dogma
Speaker 1: that I was taught that the more I study actual
Speaker 1: what God's word has to say and dive into my Bible,
Speaker 1: it's just man made garbage, you know. And I'm having
Speaker 1: to undo a lot of the things that I was
Speaker 1: taught that are just not even scriptural, or they're a
Speaker 1: misinterpretation of scripture, you know, for whatever reason, either because
Speaker 1: of ignorance or because they've twisted it to fit what
Speaker 1: the agenda was.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And when I go when I read this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fascinating to me because I think this
Speaker 1: is I think this is true because we can see
Speaker 1: it in our Bibles.
Speaker 2: Right. We may not get the full picture in our Bibles.
Speaker 2: But those guys in Kumran sure seem like they were
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, on the track of having some
Speaker 2: extra information that we have just been have been removed
Speaker 2: from us, right and deliberately kind of shoved in the drawer.
Speaker 2: And you know, for me, I like to.
Speaker 1: Dive in, right, And we kind of talked about this
Speaker 1: before we started recording as well, and of like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's the real backstory here and why their question is why,
Speaker 1: because that leads you to another step in the hole. Right,
Speaker 1: So when I started diving in, then I started diving
Speaker 1: into Kumaran. And personally, it's my belief that I think
Speaker 1: that the people in Kumaran were not as scenes necessarily.
Speaker 1: I think they were actually the lineage of the Ironic priesthood,
Speaker 1: the Levi priesthood that was kicked out of the temple
Speaker 1: back in the Maccabean period. Because you can go back
Speaker 1: to that time and you can see that when the
Speaker 1: Macabean War happened about one hundred and sixty years before
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty BC, you can see that they
Speaker 1: took over the priesthood and it was a split.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Christ actually kind of alludes to this, and I think
Speaker 1: it's in Matthew twenty three, and this is the famous
Speaker 1: kind of scene where we're in front of the temple
Speaker 1: and you know he's kind of talking to the crowd
Speaker 1: and talking to the disciples afterwards, because then that's when
Speaker 1: the Matthew twenty four is when they started asking about
Speaker 1: you know, what's going to happen in the end times,
Speaker 1: and he's basically predicting the seventy a d. You know,
Speaker 1: Romans are going to come in and burn everything down.
Speaker 1: And then he talks about the end of the age.
Speaker 1: But in Matthew twenty three, he's talking to the crowd
Speaker 1: and he basically tells them in Matthew twenty three, you
Speaker 1: need to listen to the Pharisees because they're teaching you
Speaker 1: the law, all right, and because they sit and he
Speaker 1: actually says because they sit in Moses's seat, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting line, and it fits pretty well with what
Speaker 1: I just said and what we can tell historically. And
Speaker 1: then he goes on and he says, but you don't
Speaker 1: need to do what they do because they're hypocrites. Right.
Speaker 1: They're teaching you the law, but they're also hypocrites to
Speaker 1: the law because they're either not following it themselves or
Speaker 1: they're using it to lord over you and control you.
Speaker 1: And so I think when they got kicked out, that
Speaker 1: whole group of priests that had to go somewhere, and
Speaker 1: I think they wound up over in Cumran. And another
Speaker 1: thing that makes me think that's the case, and the
Speaker 1: research that I've done is and granted we're still finding stuff,
Speaker 1: so maybe at some point if we find more scrolls
Speaker 1: and then we'll find them. But there is not a
Speaker 1: scrap of anything that they have found in Cumran of
Speaker 1: all of these tens of thousands or if not more,
Speaker 1: fragments of anything to do with the Maccabees.
Speaker 2: Not a scrap.
Speaker 1: So it would kind of tend to lean towards the
Speaker 1: fact that these folks over in this area in Kumaran,
Speaker 1: whoever they were, were not pro Maccabee, which if you
Speaker 1: go back and you look and you figure out, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're probably not. If it's really the Levite priests and
Speaker 1: the lineage of the Leevite priests like John John the Baptist,
Speaker 1: you know, they got kicked out man, and they're not
Speaker 1: They're not going to be Hey, let's have a bunch
Speaker 1: of books of these dudes and tell their little Yaya
Speaker 1: war stories. So it just seems to fit. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of on the camp right now. If fits in Cumron,
Speaker 1: it's good for me. I think it's safe to read now.
Speaker 1: I would still tell everybody to read it. Vett it
Speaker 1: against known scripture, and if you can punch holes in it,
Speaker 1: maybe you got some questions, but do some more digging
Speaker 1: because technically you can do that with jubilees as well,
Speaker 1: because the lineages don't line up like we've talked about.
Speaker 2: But the more I.
Speaker 3: Die, almost divine revelation, you know. Yeah, forty nine Israel
Speaker 3: becomes a nation. And then the the nog Hamadi gnostic
Speaker 3: texts were found and they're like, oh, well, Jesus had
Speaker 3: relationships with another woman, and they're saying that there's another way.
Speaker 3: It's a Christ's conscience, and oh man, look at all
Speaker 3: these missing books. And then God's like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: wait second, look over here in these caves. That's right,
Speaker 3: and then boom them were found right after.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interest just God's timing. Yep, for sure. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna veer just a little bit, but not too far.
Speaker 2: Spoken to the ten four half club, this is what
Speaker 2: happens if you want to know. This is what we
Speaker 2: do with astrology and things. I think miss it. Somebody
Speaker 2: said this. I can't remember who it is, but I'll
Speaker 2: take credit for it. There you go. Congratulations, Ben, it's
Speaker 2: a true thing because I'm right, that's right.
Speaker 3: Virtual pat on the back.
Speaker 2: I think the Three Wise Men you know they followed
Speaker 2: the stars. I think they were either they were part
Speaker 2: of the descendants from when they got exiled to Babylon
Speaker 2: that were a Jewish line that still lived there because
Speaker 2: they knew. It wasn't just like these three random guys
Speaker 2: saw this star and showed up. They knew the stars,
Speaker 2: they understood what was happened, They understood scripture, and they
Speaker 2: were going because they were They've been preparing themselves this
Speaker 2: whole time. Like we could say that they were like
Speaker 2: the first fringy dudes. That kind of fits.
Speaker 1: It fits because if you think about what our discussion
Speaker 1: was earlier when we were got talking kind of obviously
Speaker 1: in that whole area up there, one of the things
Speaker 1: that they undoubtedly were exposed to in the exile and
Speaker 1: Babylon would have been all of this sun moon God worship.
Speaker 2: And they understood and they understood it was actually God,
Speaker 2: and that's why they had to go.
Speaker 3: And I've heard some people say that it was uh
Speaker 3: actually Babylonian magi. Yeah, they their belief system had crossed
Speaker 3: pollinated with the Jewish people while they were there in exile,
Speaker 3: like the Jewish people had taught them their faith, their scriptures,
Speaker 3: and it kind of just cross pollinated and they had
Speaker 3: that and when they seen it they remembered, yeah, the
Speaker 3: teachings and went after it. Mm maybe one or the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's like they knew something that the
Speaker 2: rest of the people didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense to me. It could very well
Speaker 1: be in the travel the other thing. Travel time is
Speaker 1: not typically what we're taught in Sunday School.
Speaker 3: It took a couple of three months to find them
Speaker 3: after they saw it.
Speaker 2: That would have been Daniel and knowledge increased. There you go,
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, there you go. Sorry, my little tidbit. It's
Speaker 2: always good.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, give him the teeth the one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty three.
Speaker 1: Fish, okay, one hundred and fifty three two.
Speaker 3: The one hundred and fifty three fish, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from when they were fishing and Jesus was on
Speaker 2: the bank and they hadn't caught anything all night, and
Speaker 2: he was like, through your nets to the other side,
Speaker 2: and they're we haven't got anything on do it? And
Speaker 2: they pull it in. Why does John say one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty three fish and none of the other gospels
Speaker 2: say anything. Go ahead and tell them why, No, that's
Speaker 2: they got to come back. There's a reason. Yes, it
Speaker 2: goes all the way back to Genesis, all the way
Speaker 2: back to Ephraim.
Speaker 1: No man, everything Christ did was say so it was awesome.
Speaker 1: So yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3: Well, guys, thank you for tuning in. I hope you
Speaker 3: enjoy that. And it's always the difference between the known
Speaker 3: and the unknown is the journey. Good journey, guys, do
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