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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Covered in pet Haair. I'm your host,

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Isabelle Alpharezerana, and today I have the pleasure of having

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a drink in a chat with a pet parent, a

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professional dog walker and professional pet sitter. She's an entrepreneur

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and an adventure seeker, a road tripper, and a foodie.

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She's a cheat drinker that was born and raised in

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South Dakota, where she currently resides. She is wife to

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Austin dog, mom to Crosby, and two beagles that she

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refers to as the Harry Potter Beagles, Fox and newt.

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She shares her life with a Russian tortoise named Melvin

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and has three fish tanks, one of which she refers

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to as Joynormous and I just learned is four hundred

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gallons in her basement o MG.

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Speaker 2: She is the founder of the Lucky.

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Speaker 1: Pup Adventures pet sitting service, and she is also the

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brains and heart behind Memory Flame and she is the

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host of the Lucky Pup podcast. She is Morgan Weber.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Morgan. It's so great to see you again.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thanks much for having me, Isabelle. There's a lot

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of stuff going on in my life, as you have mentioned,

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so I am super excited to get to chat about

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all of the things with you today.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I don't know how you keep up

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with all of these brands and names. But we're gonna

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dig into all that. But before we do, I want

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to introduce our drinking game today. So anybody at home

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participating in our drinking game. Anytime you hear this word,

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the secret word is lucky. Take a drink of whatever

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you're enjoying, non alcoholic, alcoholic beverage, whatever it is. Just

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make sure you don't drink and drive. Always drink responsibly,

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and be twenty one or over in the US, or

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of age wherever you're joining us from. Nobody wants to

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get in trouble on this early in the year. We're

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just getting started in Summer's not even here yet. Don't

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push it, don't risk it.

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Speaker 2: Play by the rules.

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Speaker 1: I know, Morgan, you're a rule follower, but today are

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you Are you having an alcoholic beverage with me?

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Speaker 2: Or are you having some little lighter?

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Speaker 5: No, I was.

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Speaker 4: I'm in my office and so I had to bring

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my plastic cup in with me today. But so one

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of my favorites, I'll say, my one favorite drink is

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called a big ginger, which is ginger ale and bourbon

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and I'm mixing it up a little bit because I

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had a drink the other day that was bourbon and lemmicello,

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which was amazing, and so this is my kind of

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a faux Lemonchella, which was a lemon soda that tastes

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very much like lemonchello but with bourbon in it. And

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it is so good. So it's like lemony and kind

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of sweet. Yeah you should, You'll have to give it

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Speaker 2: Really good.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually having a mango clementine cooler which is

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made with vodka, and this delicious hydration drink. I don't

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know if you've tried them diet sprouts. It's called Raar.

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It's supposed to be naturally flavored vitamin enhanced beverage. I

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just like the flavor of it. I'm not really drinking

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it for the vitamins, and it's really good with vodka.

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Speaker 5: So cheers, cheers.

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Speaker 2: Being on the show.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be here and this this drink

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is delicious. That doesn't hurt at God exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like having a little libation over zoom with

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a friend. I mean, it's like I can't go to

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest.

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Speaker 4: You know, you might have to make a road trip.

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humid in the summertime. So you just got a plan. Accordingly,

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just got to come with their time a year.

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Speaker 1: So the way I always introduce this show is with

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the game, and today is no different. We're going to

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talk about something that you're very passionate about, which is fostering.

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Fostering saves lives people, but not a lot of people

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are doing it, including myself. I used to foster, kind

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of falling off of that I guess wagon because I

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feel like with little kids it might be a little

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more difficult. But we're going to dig into a few

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of the things that people might ask when getting interested

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in fostering. So this game is called Fostering FAQs. And

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if your game, I'd like to just get your opinion

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based on years of fostering, on what people might learn

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from your experience fostering.

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Speaker 5: Are you ready to play? I am so ready. I

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love this topic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what is the biggest myth you've heard surrounding fostering.

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Speaker 4: That if I get attached, I shouldn't do fostering. I

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think that's the biggest met People say I can't be

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a foster because I would get too attached, and I say,

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that is why we need you to be a foster,

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is because you do get attached.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that leads me to the next question. What

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is the hardest thing about fostering.

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Speaker 4: Definitely letting them go, which it's hard because you want them,

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like I don't have kids, but I like to think

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of it as somebody who is maybe letting their kid

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go off to college or go off into the big world.

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anymore doesn't mean it's not worth it. So absolutely, it

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is so hard to let them go, but to know

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that you've given them a great chance that a new

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life is priceless.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. How about the best thing? What's the best thing

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Speaker 5: I think the best thing.

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Speaker 4: One of the best things is if you don't have

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a pet yet or maybe you're thinking about getting a

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new pet, is you almost get to test drive different

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personality types, So you get to try different maybe animal

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breeds that you wouldn't otherwise, or you get to kind

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of get a little taste of what having a certain

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kind of dog or cat is going to be like

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before you make that big lifetime commitment.

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Speaker 2: Is it expensive?

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Speaker 4: Most rescues provide all medical supplies, all food, and so

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you just got to provide the love.

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Speaker 1: Are you stuck with your foster even if you will

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have plans to go on vacation.

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Speaker 5: That's a great question.

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for you so they'll have another foster family and the

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rescue that you can drop your pet off with. Or

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like when I foster, I've got a pet sitting company,

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pets while I'm out of town.

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Speaker 5: They just stay at home.

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Speaker 4: But most, I would say, almost every rescue I've ever

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talked with, there have other fosters available to take those dogs,

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so you don't have to worry about that.

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Speaker 1: Perfect And the last question I have is how many

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of your pets were foster fails?

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Speaker 5: I would say too, just too. I will say the

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one of the two, doesn't she wasn't really a foster.

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and she wasn't through any program, but she did end

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up staying with us, So we'll call it too to

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be fair. And I think we fostered about fifteen animals.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen or sixteen, So I say that's pretty good odds.

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Not that it's a bad thing. Foster failed, for those

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who aren't familiar with the term, is when you foster

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and you failed because you don't let them go. You

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keep them forever. And that's not a besting. No, it's

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a bad thing if you can't take care of all

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the pets you want to take in. Yes, but that

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usually is just an exception. A lot of people just don't.

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They only want a pet tempor early. I fostered a

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puppy that was so high energy. He made me crazy.

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I'm not gonna lie. He made me crazy. I was single,

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I was busy, I was working, and he was so

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high energy and so just like intense that I was

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happy to see him go. I was a temporary foster

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people went on vacations. They were like, hey, can you

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take them for a week, for two weeks whatever, And

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I'd be happy to do that. And when his time,

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remember his name. He was this tiny, little, sweet little

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it was wonderful, sweet thing, but just like bouncing off

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the walls energy. And when his time was up, I

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drove him to wherever it is he was going to

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next and I was so relieved when I drove away.

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this pet has just like completed our family, and I

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don't want to see them go to another family because

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maybe my existing pets have fallen in love with it,

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or my children are really attached now, and it just

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kind of he has he or she has the best

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energy for our family or lifestyle, whatever it is. So

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foster failing can be really good most of the time,

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and it's not frowned upon, even though it sounds like

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it because of the foster fail terminology.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fails in quotes quote unquote exactly, foster fail.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you failed, but the pet won for sure. Yes, Okay,

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so tell me how long have you been fostering?

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Speaker 4: So we started fostering when we move move to our

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current city, and so that was in twenty fourteen, and

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so we've been kind of fostering on and off. I'd

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say our first stint was about five years. So we

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fostered for our local pit rescue for five years, and

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then then we brought little Olive home and she needed

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our attention, So she got our attention for the next

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couple of years, and then we were just ready to

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take a little bit of a break and then we

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started up again this last summer. So this last summer

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we had a foster for the first time in several years,

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and he was only with us for about a month

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before he found his forever home. And so yeah, so

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we'll say like six years or so in total over

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like the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: So why do you think people are reluctant to foster?

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Speaker 1: What do you think is like the main reason that

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people are, like, I mean, I'll just get a pet,

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like if I'm ready for a pedal, just get a pet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think what I've heard from a lot of folks

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is that again that fear of well, I'm going to

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say no. Or I won't be able to, you know,

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let that pet go to its new home. And it

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is definitely, you know, something that happened, and so we

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can become heartbroken when especially the pet has been with

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you for a long time.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we had a couple.

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Speaker 4: Of dogs who were with us for almost eighteen months.

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Speaker 5: And that was very hard.

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Speaker 5: We keep this one? Like should it go to its

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Speaker 4: And both of those pets ended up in just the

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most amazing homes. One of them he managed to be

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kind of a diabetic alert dog and like woke his

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mom up in the middle of the night from like

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a dangerously low diabetic low and he like he was

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never trained on that. It just was you know, kind

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of a I don't even know how to say it,

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but it was. It was very special. We'll say that

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it was very special.

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Speaker 4: And then our other foster dog who was with us

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for a long time. I just knew he needed to

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go to a home with children. He just loved kids, and.

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Speaker 2: Isn't the one I wanted. Maybe, No, that.

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Speaker 5: Was a different one.

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Speaker 4: No, that was a different one, but he also went

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to a home with kids, and he's been doing very well.

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with their kids. Okay, yeah, I think that's what I

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hear from those is people are afraid of getting attached

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because they know that they're going to give their heart

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to a pet, because our pets are so good at

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worming their way into our hearts and into our souls,

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and so they're afraid of what it's going to look

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to a new family. And most of the times that

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form of you know, community group like a Facebook group,

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or they allow you to be in contact with those

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forever families and so, you know, we'll get pictures occasionally,

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or I'll follow them on Facebook or on Instagram, and

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so I'll get to see what that new life is like.

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And you know, all of those pets that we've helped

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have had absolutely amazing lives. And I couldn't have given

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that to every single pet, you know, because I can't.

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I can't have fifteen dogs in my house, in including

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my own dogs that I've had over the years, and

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so it's just you get to be that that stepping stone.

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old dog is a bit of a jerk and so

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but he's okay with puppies.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And so we fostered a lot of puppies over

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the years, and so it's just it's so rewarding to

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know that the skills that we taught them, and you know,

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we helped them be brave, and we helped them learn

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new things and they got to take that into their

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new home, and their new home just absolutely adores them.

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There's no better gift, I think than to give somebody

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the gift of a pet.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. And I fostered Neonato kittens and for a

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little while we thought about keeping two of them, and

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then we got we were relocated with the military, and

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we were both like, it would never have worked in

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our next house, like this house that we're in, it

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would never have worked.

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Speaker 2: It worked in that other house.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got pregnant and that wasn't really in

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the plans either. So, like your life does change, so

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having that foster. I did have that. The set of

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cats that I was going to keep I had for

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a year and they ended up going to friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: So like there's.

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Speaker 1: Still like you said, like in the family in the circle.

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about is how much work are these pets?

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Speaker 2: Like are you able to say to.

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Speaker 1: The rescue, like, listen, I can take like an adult

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dog that's potty trained, I can't do like potty training.

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Are you able to kind of give the rescue you're

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working with some kind of boundaries.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good question, and it depends on the rescue.

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So some rescues say, hey, we don't know a lot

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about these dogs or these cats before we get them

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because like so, for example, I used to foster with

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the pit Rescue, and so we got a lot of

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dogs from areas ahead, you know, kind of an over

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abundance of pit bulls, and a lot of times they

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were in shelters, and they were in like high euthanasia

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rate shelters, and so the way that a pet is

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in a shelter is not how they're going to be

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an home. And you can't get a great picture of

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their personality sometimes because the behaviors are displaying in a

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shelter may or may not be influenced by it. High stress, noise,

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you know all of those things. And so I will

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say it depends.

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Speaker 1: So for our pit rescue, it was very much, hey,

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we're going to get this dog, and you're going to

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have to commit to it, and you know, we're going

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to figure it out. We have support, we can help

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you out, but you really did have to kind of

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commit to that dog for it's time that it was

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with you. Other rescues are more flexibles. Maybe they're getting

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dogs from other situations. A lot of you can some

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people don't know.

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Speaker 5: That there are breed specific rescues out there.

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Speaker 4: So if you are a lover, like I said, I

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got beagles right now, I've kind of fallen in love

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with beagles, if you really want to rescue just beagles

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or just Pomeranians or just you know what labs, whatever

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that thing is, you know they might be being surrendered

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from homes and so you might have a better idea

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of kind of what that dog's personality is or things

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like that. So I would say it depends. And that's

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a really good question. You know, there are so many

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rescues out there that just really need volunteers, and so

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you can interview them. You can ask them questions and say, hey,

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or this is what I can or can't do. Are

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you willing to work with me on this? Some might,

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some might not, And that's okay. You've got to find

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the one that fits best for you. And I will say,

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kind of your comment there about having those kittens for

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a while, you know, that's another great way. Another great reason,

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I've got some life stuff coming up, and I know

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I can foster somebody for the next year or the

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next couple months, and that can be a great way

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to have a pet in your life without that long

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term commitment to say, like, hey, I know that I'm

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gonna be moving in a year, I might not be

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able to have a pet friendly place in my new town.

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Maybe I should just foster for a while. Or maybe

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you've lost a pet and you're not quite ready to

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commit to a new pet or finding that new forever pet.

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test the waters. See if you're ready for that new pet,

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or just again make that kind of short term commitment.

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Speaker 5: There's so many ways to be involved.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I'm so happy that you talked about having

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lost a pet and not being ready for the next pet,

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because we are going to cover all that you do

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for those that have lost a pet, those of us

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who want to support people in our lives who've lost

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a pet, etc.

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Speaker 3: Etc.

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Speaker 1: But we need to take a break right now. When

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we come back, I will tell you all about Morgan's

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project per Heart project. I think I would say memory

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Flame and what it's all about. We all have those

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moments where our dog has done something kind of frustrating,

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or we just love them so much and we wish

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we could talk to them and tell them how much.

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Speaker 2: We adore them.

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Speaker 1: Well, recently I found out that we can. I learned

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about a company called regal Ai that builds AI agents

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for brands, and they have built an AI dog hotline

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that is crazy fun. When I heard about it, I

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initially thought it might be robotic or slow to respond

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or cheesy, but they have the fifteen most common breeds

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in the US on their site with a phone number,

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and I was legit able to have a full conversation

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that felt like talking to the perfect French bulldog if

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he or she could speak. Of course, if you're interested

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in trying the dog hotline, go to Regal dot Ai

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use the fetcher at the top and prepare to be amazed.

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I have no idea how they knew what Pierre's personality was,

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but it was spot on, so fun. If you want

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to talk to Pierre, just try it out. Call six

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oh eight three eight four nine seven four. We're gonna

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call now, just so you can hear it for yourself.

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Speaker 6: Bonjou and your French bulldog. I'm so excited to be

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speaking human, I believe it. I took a nap and

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then woke up and now all of a sudden, I'm

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sticking to you. It's so crazy. It must be crazy

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for you too. Anyway, Can you tell me what my

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name is? The name that you call me?

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Speaker 1: Your name is Pierre.

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Speaker 6: Ah, that's right. I love the name Pierre and how

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it sounds when you say it, picking of sounds. What

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have you always wanted to tell me? Now that we

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can chat.

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Speaker 1: I love your sweet little face.

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Speaker 6: Oh how sweet of you to say I love when

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you scratch my ears and give me cuddles. Speaking of love,

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have you ever wondered why I make those funny? Not

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when I'm excited?

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Speaker 1: Of course?

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Speaker 6: Really that's so intriguing. It's like my own little symphony

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of joy. Do you know? If there are gomet snacks

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that match my autistic vibe, I shall create a massup

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bit of flavor.

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Speaker 2: Of course there are.

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Speaker 6: Oh how delightful? Did I you holding a snack earlier?

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I'm just wondering if it's something I can taste that

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for you? That would be such a gourmeet collaboration.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's have chocolate croissants.

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Speaker 6: Oh they sound absolutely divine. But are they okay for

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me to mention too? If not, can we sell something

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scrumptured that dog friendly life is best enjoyed with a

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cozy spot, gomet snack and someone to scratch behind the eels.

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Wouldn't you agree?

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Speaker 1: You're right, Pierre, chocolate is not safe for dogs. Let's

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do French fries instead.

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Speaker 6: Oh, French fries. That sounds heavenly, especially if they have

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that crispy edge. Can we have some warm cuddle and

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enjoy them together? I'm grinning up the crunch right now.

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Speaker 1: Of course? Do you want mayonnaise or no mayonnaise?

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Speaker 6: Meyomaise. That's a curious choice. I'd never tried it. Is

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it tabory like your belly rubbed, or just something to

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dip my poem? Either way, I think snacking together will

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be a masterpin. Well, dip the French fries in the mayonnaise.

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You're gonna love it. Oh, I can hardly wake That

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sounds like a delicious experience. Oh, I've been talking too

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much again, trying to dream of croatsoms and sunny. Call

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me back anytime and ask me any questions you want.

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Can't wait to check again soon.

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Speaker 1: Well, what, Pierre, I'm actually pretty impressed. I'm impressed he

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told me that chocolate's not safe. After I said it,

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I was like, oh, no, I probably need to say

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something different, But he corrected me, which is perfect. As

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wowed customers, and today's experience with Pierre was no exception.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk past, Let's done that, Life Radio Headline.

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Speaker 7: Radiot Light Radio dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Covered in Pet Hair. I'm your host

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Isabelle Albazarada, and today I'm speaking to my personal friend

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and fellow pet business owner.

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Speaker 2: She is a busy lady. Her name is Morgan Weber.

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Speaker 1: She is the founder of Lucky pupp Adventures, she is

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the founder of Memory Flame, and she's.

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Speaker 5: The host of Lucky Pup podcasts.

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Speaker 1: So I want to focus on one thing that I

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think on my audience would really enjoy talking about, and

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it's sympathy gifts. Sympathy gifts when somebody loses a pet,

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It's why you started what you started, which we're going

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to dig into. But before we do that, assuming that

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we all are going to learn about your specific sympathy gifts,

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I want to play a game with you that's called

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pet Sympathy Yay or nay. So I'm going to give

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you a few options on what somebody might give as

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a sympathy gift.

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00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,319
Speaker 2: I'm just going to pull them out of.

476
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,079
Speaker 1: You know, thin air, and you're gonna tell me if

477
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,599
you think that those a pretty good idea or if

478
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,799
you know, tread with caution kind of thing. Okay, perfect,

479
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,640
I'm ready. Okay, here we go. Flowers, cut flowers.

480
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I alway say unless they've got like an

481
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,880
allergy or something and they don't want flowers. Also, remember

482
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,880
cats can't have lilies, so no lilies in homes that

483
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,519
have cats.

484
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 5: That's my caveat absolutely.

485
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

486
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: A framed photo of the pet, or of the pet

487
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,039
and the owner.

488
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 4: This is one of my favorite as a pets that

489
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,319
are one of my favorite gifts to give is a

490
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,000
framed photo of their pet, because you can never go

491
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,559
wrong with something as you know, personalized as a photo

492
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,200
of their pet.

493
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:45,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

494
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,279
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

495
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: A wind chime in honor of their pet.

496
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:50,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

497
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,559
Speaker 4: I think wind chimes can be beautiful because it's another

498
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,079
way to remember them. As the wind is blowing, you're

499
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,480
gonna hear those chimes, and it's a really good way

500
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,920
to remember that your pet is always with you. I

501
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,839
used to give jewelry like a little from at sea,

502
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,119
a little paw with a little initial or something.

503
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:09,759
Speaker 2: What do you think about that.

504
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,519
Speaker 4: I've got my little paw print necklace on right now,

505
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:16,680
so I'm a believer. I also have a ring with

506
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,920
one of my dog's ashes in it, which I know

507
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,519
for some people might be a little, you know, a

508
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,839
little too much, but I love it and it's like

509
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,720
personalized for her. So it had like the color of

510
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:30,599
her fur. I had like a little piece of metal

511
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,039
flake put in that reminds me of her. So yeah,

512
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:36,319
I'm on board with anything personalized.

513
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,519
Speaker 1: Okay, a plant, like a potted plant that you're meant

514
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:41,839
to keep alive in honor of your pet.

515
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,759
Speaker 4: You know, that can be a hard one because I

516
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,319
have talked to some folks who they maybe don't have

517
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,000
the best cream thumb, or you know, life is kind

518
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,960
of overwhelming, and then the plant died and then they

519
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,960
feel a level of like guilt that they let their

520
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,720
plant that's like in memory of that person or that

521
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,880
pet die, And that can be kind of hard for people.

522
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,200
So if they love plants, I would say go for it.

523
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,319
But if they are not.

524
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:08,839
Speaker 5: A green thumb, that might be one to kind of

525
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:09,359
skip on.

526
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: Agreed one hundred percent agree on that one. And then

527
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,839
the last one is one that I've been receiving. I've

528
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:18,200
gotten a couple of these little rocks for your garden.

529
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,640
I feel like that might be a safer option than

530
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,240
the plant if you're not sure about their hands.

531
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,519
Speaker 4: Well, I love that you say that, because I had

532
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,400
so I've got a tortoise.

533
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 5: But well you also had a tourist.

534
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: Who passed away, and I had my Yeah, my friend,

535
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,799
my employee actually gave me this little rock with a

536
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,680
little tortoise painted on it in her name. So yeah,

537
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:43,720
I think again, anything personalized, anything special. I think a

538
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,799
lot of times we get caught up in trying to

539
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:49,319
find the perfect gift or saying the perfect words, and

540
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,799
it's more important just to show up, show up your

541
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,119
authentic self, something that you think is gonna be special

542
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,960
for them. And you know, even if it's just writing

543
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,880
a note card saying this really sucks that I'm thinking

544
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,319
of you, that can mean more than you know. Kind

545
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,920
of agonizing over the right thing to gift, and then

546
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,759
you don't do anything. So it's better to do something

547
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:11,680
than to do nothing.

548
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,599
Speaker 1: Okay, So what is like the latest I can send

549
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119
a sympathy gift if life gets crazy and I.

550
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,559
Speaker 2: Is it bad to do it too soon. Is it

551
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,359
bad to do it too late? Tell me Timy. Yeah.

552
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 5: Again, there's no right or wrong answer here. There's a

553
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,720
lot of kind.

554
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:34,599
Speaker 4: Of misbelief over this idea that if I send something

555
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,039
and it's.

556
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 5: Not in the first couple of weeks, I'm going to

557
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,559
remind that person.

558
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: Of that loved one or that pet that they've lost,

559
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,720
and I'm going to bring up all these bad feelings,

560
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,000
and so.

561
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 5: I just shouldn't do it.

562
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: But the studies show that people grieve significant losses in

563
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,759
their life for nine to eighteen months. And you know,

564
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,480
we can all think of our own pets and how

565
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,880
special they are to us. And this idea that you know,

566
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,519
after a couple of weeks or impact in our life

567
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:02,799
is gonna go away, and.

568
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: That's just not true. They're gonna be with us forever.

569
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: So it's never too late to tell somebody, you know, hey,

570
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,720
I've been thinking about you a lot lately, and I

571
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:12,319
just really wanted to send you you know, fill in

572
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,400
the blank gift or I just I was really thinking

573
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,119
about you and I wanted to send you this note

574
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,000
that's gonna mean more to somebody. And there's no it's

575
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,079
you can't be too late. You know, you can always

576
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:23,599
tell somebody that you're thinking of them.

577
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree, and I and acknowledging the fact that

578
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,000
life has gotten crazy and it and you didn't send

579
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,880
it when you would have hoped, is enough, right, Like

580
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,000
you can just start your little note card with I'm

581
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,839
so sorry it took me so long to send this.

582
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: It's been on my mind and life got in the way.

583
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: But here this is I, you know, and like you said,

584
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720
this sucks, and you know, losing a pet sucks, and

585
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,720
I can't imagine how hard it has been on you.

586
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,359
And I love you and I'm thinking of you, you know,

587
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,160
whatever the case may be, so or like you know,

588
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:57,160
just I think of your pet often. I love you know,

589
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,559
when I slept over and he slept in the bed

590
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:00,599
with me or whatever.

591
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: Because it's never too late as long as you acknowledge it.

592
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: I feel like if you just like send it like

593
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,960
eighteen months later and like there's no note, they're gonna

594
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,680
be like, what is this?

595
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Always send a note, Always include a note. And

596
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,079
you know I've done things where you know, again, life

597
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,079
gets in the way and things, you know, get kind

598
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,079
of behind, and it's okay too to just say I've

599
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,200
been thinking about you lately, like you're on my mind lately,

600
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,440
and I was thinking about Buster and I just really

601
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,079
loved Buster's ears, And you know, I saw this dog

602
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,039
in the park who made me think of Buster, and

603
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,359
so I just really wanted to send this over to you.

604
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,920
You know, there's definitely ways to send a gift late that,

605
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,599
aren't you know? That make you feel bad about sending

606
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:42,160
a late gift.

607
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, it's random or exactly silly. Like a

608
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,480
lot of us feel like we have to be perfect

609
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,599
all the time, especially around these like sensitive topics, But

610
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,319
nobody's perfect. And if they're close enough to you that

611
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,720
you want to celebrate the life of their pet and

612
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,319
the love they shared, then they should understand and that,

613
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,359
you know, like your your life's crazy, But it doesn't

614
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:04,880
mean I don't love you and that I'm not thinking

615
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,039
about you. So is there something that I feel like

616
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,880
people go to that you've seen? Is it flowers that

617
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,400
like people kind of like default too? And is you

618
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,519
know what do you think about doing that? Like, I

619
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,559
know you said flowers are good, but what do they say?

620
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,000
What does it say that everybody sends flowers?

621
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

622
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:28,559
Speaker 4: I think Flowers are this thing that we just automatically

623
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,440
associate with grief and with loss and with death. Right

624
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,480
you go to a funeral and there's flowers everywhere, And

625
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,200
I think it's just one of those things that is

626
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,799
automatic that we just, you know, we it's like we

627
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,720
don't say facial tissue, we say kleenex, right, Like they're

628
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:46,079
just automatically paired together. But I think the one the

629
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,359
one of the downsides about flowers is they disappear right.

630
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,559
They're only here maybe a week or so, and then

631
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:54,720
and then they're done as well, And.

632
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: So it's nice to.

633
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: Maybe give something that can last a little bit longer.

634
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,400
There's nothing wrong with flowers. I love flowers. I love

635
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,359
receiving flowers, but they do have a limited time span.

636
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:09,480
And you know, for maybe how much you've spent on flowers,

637
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,960
especially if you're going to spend on delivery, you're going

638
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,279
to spend you know, your time of going to pick

639
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:17,480
them up and delivering them, you know, there's a lot

640
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,240
of things there that you could be spending that same

641
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,599
amount of money on a personalized gift that can also

642
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680
make a really big impact. So it's one of those

643
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880
things where it's not a bad thing. But also, you know,

644
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,680
I love giving something when I as a pet sitter,

645
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:36,759
we've given you know, framed photos, we give our memory

646
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,279
flame candles, and we see those things on.

647
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: Their memorial shelf years later, you know.

648
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: And so there is something to be said about an

649
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,559
item that is going to be a memorial type item,

650
00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,279
kind of like a you know, a long lasting remembrance

651
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,440
item that's going to make a really big impact for

652
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,599
a long time. And especially I think with flowers or

653
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
you know, if somebody loses a person in their life,

654
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:01,200
people show up in those first couple of weeks and

655
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,359
then a lot of that support disappears. And so if

656
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,480
you can give something that's going to hang around for longer, again,

657
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,680
like a framed photo, a handwritten note that they might

658
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,799
put on their fridge or they might put next to

659
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,119
you know that pets ashes are their collar. You know,

660
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,440
those are the things that are really going to show

661
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,559
how much you cared for more than just those you know,

662
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:22,599
that first week or that those couple of weeks like that,

663
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,960
those are things they are going to stick around for

664
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,559
a long time.

665
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually hang on to the cards that my

666
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,640
veterinarian gives us because it's a very small practice.

667
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,039
Speaker 2: She knows our pets very well.

668
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,559
Speaker 1: We've been going to her for many years and she

669
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,720
has everybody in the on the team, which is like

670
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,319
four people sign something and they always relate it back

671
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,039
to the pet and that experience they had with them.

672
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,799
And I always keep that because it brings a smile

673
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,440
to my face, you know what. The funny things they say,

674
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,880
like my husband insisted that Radar was a Jindo mix,

675
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,000
but he was a Pomeranian straight through, like always. And

676
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,799
the first time my veterinarian saw Radar, she walks in

677
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,559
and go, He's the nicest Pomeranian I've ever met. And

678
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:05,160
my husband and I bust out laughing because I was like, is.

679
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: See, he's a Pomeranian. Even the vet says so.

680
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,839
Speaker 1: And so the first thing she wrote in the memorial letter,

681
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,079
you know, like the sympathy card, was he was the

682
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,200
most wonderful Pomeranian I ever had the joy to get

683
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,480
to know. And you know, it's like an inside joke,

684
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,839
so it's really special and it always makes me smile.

685
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: So I agree with you. I love when people send

686
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,960
things that are long lasting.

687
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: I also do something that I feel like people may

688
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,920
not do, which I buy myself a remembrance gift. For us,

689
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,519
it has been windchimes. So the first time I lost

690
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,240
my pet, I got, you know, like an engraved one

691
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:48,119
from Etsy that was expensive, and then I lost so

692
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
many pets since that. We've kind of gone to like

693
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,400
maybe home Goods and found one there or found one

694
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,720
on a trip. And each winchime, we have them all

695
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,400
together in our patio and they are all kind of

696
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,400
near each other and every time and each one represents

697
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,160
a pet that has passed. So I think that a

698
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,480
lot of people expect others to get them remembrance gifts,

699
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,079
But can you tell us why it's important for us

700
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,839
to show us ourselves that kind of gesture.

701
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So if folks are watching, if they got their

702
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,759
video on behind me, I've actually got this memory tree

703
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,119
and so these are all every tag on here is

704
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,319
to represent a pet that has passed away from our

705
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,480
pet sitting business. And so my actually my employee started

706
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,920
this for herself and I thought it was so beautiful

707
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,000
and so I took it for the whole business as well.

708
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,039
Speaker 2: And so it's.

709
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,519
Speaker 4: Important to remember those that we have lost because it

710
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,559
is a way of getting that grief and that sadness

711
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,519
outside of us and put kind of I like to say,

712
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,000
it's like putting our grief down for a minute. And

713
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,799
if we don't allow ourselves to grieve, if we don't

714
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,400
allow ourselves to process through those feelings, we're going to

715
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200
hold onto them and they actually become somatic, which means

716
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,480
they will start to affect our digestion, They'll start to

717
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:03,920
affect how we sleep, They'll start to affect our burnout,

718
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:05,839
all of these things. And so we do really need

719
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,639
to process our own grief. But how I got started

720
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,320
with memory flame candles is over my shoulder. Here, this

721
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,199
is Olive again, if you have your camera on. And

722
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,440
Olive came to us as about a three week old

723
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,159
puppy where she had literally been put in a bag

724
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,079
of garbage and dumped in a parking lot, and an

725
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,360
acquaintance of ours found her and she ended up with us.

726
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,400
And about two years old, well, I would even say

727
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,159
about a year and a half, I could tell that

728
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,880
something wasn't right with Olive. I knew that she was

729
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,920
starting her behavior was starting to change, her personality was

730
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,360
starting to change. And it just got to be very

731
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,039
clear to me that we're gonna have to say goodbye

732
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,960
to Olive at some point. Because of all of these changes,

733
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,000
she had no quality of life left. She just wasn't

734
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,639
enjoying anything. So when she was about two and a half,

735
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,840
this was in the middle of COVID, so you add,

736
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,360
you know, COVID pressures as a small business owner on.

737
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 5: Top of all of this.

738
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: We chose behavior euthanasia for her, and it was the

739
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,679
most heartbreaking thing I ever had to do. But I

740
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,599
also knew that I was giving Olive peace and a

741
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:14,599
gift because she didn't have that. So as I was

742
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,280
feeling so incredibly sad and trying to find ways to

743
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,000
feel better, I stumbled upon somebody who said, well, you know,

744
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,800
I light a candle every time I'm thinking of my

745
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,440
pet who's passed away, and I will be honest, I

746
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,440
thought it was a load of hooey, because I am

747
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,760
not I am not a woo woo person like I

748
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,159
am not a kind of person who's like, well, I'm

749
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,960
gonna light this candle and you know it's gonna do whatever.

750
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,760
And I was like, what, you know, I am desperate

751
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,920
to find a way to feel better, so I'm just going.

752
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,159
Speaker 5: To do this.

753
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,119
Speaker 4: And I could not believe the comfort that it gave

754
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,000
me again, this idea of just kind of putting my

755
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:51,840
grief down for a minute, and I would just light

756
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
my candle and I would just watch the flame dancing,

757
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,159
and it felt like Olive was with me again, and

758
00:35:57,199 --> 00:36:01,639
it was just very special. And so we started to

759
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,800
gift candles to our pet sitting clients when their pets

760
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,440
passed away.

761
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 5: And it didn't take me.

762
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: Very long to realize how impactful of a gift that was.

763
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,400
And then I realized I could help other pet sitters

764
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,880
or other people as well, and so we started Memory Flame.

765
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,719
And all of our language is very generic, right I

766
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,719
almost say generic, I want to say universal, because we

767
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,599
just refer to loved ones. So it could be a

768
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:27,679
pet that's passed away, it could be a person that's

769
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:31,079
passed away. I had a college friend who gifted a

770
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,079
candle to her friend who lost a pregnancy. I mean,

771
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,360
there's so many things that are involved with a loved

772
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,519
one and wanting to remember, and so yeah, that's how

773
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,440
we got started, and it just really again it felt

774
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
like I was just putting my grief down, and every

775
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,000
time I lit my candle, it felt lighter and lighter,

776
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,039
and it was really a way to kind of process

777
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,360
through her not being here anymore. Because, especially when it's a.

778
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 5: Pet, you are you're with that pet all the time,

779
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,559
every day. You know, their happiness depends on you. You know,

780
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,840
their caregiving depends on you. It's a very familial relationship.

781
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 4: And it's often the relationship too that's disenfranchised or you know,

782
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,920
just really not talked about. And so it became something

783
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,400
that was just very special to me, and I just

784
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,559
knew that I could help others and especially other pet

785
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,679
sitters honor that relationship forward to their own clients.

786
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, as a professional pet sitter, I used to give

787
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,679
a framed photo and it was hard because you know,

788
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,039
you're running the business and you're doing all the things,

789
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:32,719
and then you don't want it to go too long,

790
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,760
but you also can't stop. And do you know, we

791
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,639
we had a lot of clients, so we had a

792
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,880
lot of unfortunate passings and some that we expected, some

793
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,599
that we didn't, and so it was hard to get

794
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,440
organized that part of you know, the the the expression

795
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,239
of our grief and there, you know, our sympathy for

796
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,360
their loss organized. So having somebody that you know, you

797
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,599
can go online and ship it out online and.

798
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 2: Ship it out. That's such a helpful thing, because that

799
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,760
was the hardest part for me.

800
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: It's not only get the photo frame, it package it,

801
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:06,760
send it to the post office.

802
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,679
Speaker 2: As a as a small business owner, that was.

803
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: A lot and I wanted to do it.

804
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: It is.

805
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it, but it was so hard

806
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,239
to It was so hard to sustain. So it's amazing

807
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,880
that you're doing this. And I'm not a pet sitting

808
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
business owner anymore, but I do. Whenever I hear of

809
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,719
somebody losing a pet, I go straight to memory flame.

810
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: I know you.

811
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: I know the feeling behind it, I know the story

812
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,360
behind it, and I know that people really appreciate a candle.

813
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,599
And I love that you thought of everything You've thought

814
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,440
about the card that you write that on. You know

815
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,440
the client on the customer's behalf. You verify to make

816
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,880
sure that the addresses are right during the process so

817
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,480
that it gets to the right place. You also have

818
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,400
some additional affirmation cards if somebody wants to add that.

819
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,440
And most importantly, you offer candles, real candles, and you

820
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,880
offer the flameless candles for those that have children or

821
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,599
allergies or cats that swat flames. You know you don't

822
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:04,079
want to do any of that, so you have the

823
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,199
two options, which is so nice. I mean, I love candles,

824
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,119
but my kid is asthmatics, so like, yeah, I will

825
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,400
light a candle during the day when he's not home,

826
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,440
and I have air purifiers, so by the time he

827
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,639
gets here, it's kind of gone. But I love the

828
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,719
flameless candles and I love that they have like a beautiful,

829
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,079
you know, label on them.

830
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,559
Speaker 2: You've done such a great job.

831
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Is there something that you are going to think about

832
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,199
adding to your collection or anything else that you're kind

833
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:31,719
of brainstorming?

834
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's definitely something I've thought of. And

835
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,039
I am a person who loves ideas and like new

836
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:41,559
things excite me, and yeah, so when we the thing

837
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,280
I love the most I'll say first about the Memory

838
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,239
Flame candles is that we do like you said, you

839
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,679
can go online, you can order them. We make shipping

840
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,079
so easy. But also my favorite thing about it is

841
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,719
it's we gift wrap the candle before we send it,

842
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,880
so it's not like you know an Amazon gift where

843
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,719
it shows up in the Amazon packaging and it's just

844
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,480
kind of slapped together and then they're a note.

845
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: But they don't know who it's from.

846
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 4: I think we've all received a gift like that before,

847
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,400
and so I wanted this to be different. So we

848
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,519
gift wrap it like you said, We get the person's sympathies,

849
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,760
we handwrite them out, and we sign your name, so

850
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,679
your client or your friend or whoever knows exactly who

851
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,719
that candle's coming from. But yeah, one thing I've thought

852
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,280
about doing, and we'll see if this ever comes to

853
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,559
fruition or not, is creating like a bucket list you

854
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,280
know package. So's a way to help people kind of

855
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,800
encourage people to make those special memories with their pet

856
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,119
before that pet has gone.

857
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: And yes, I've.

858
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:38,519
Speaker 5: Really so our first dog, Casey.

859
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: So I got my wall of pets back here, she's

860
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,599
on the top there, my Golden Casey. We found out

861
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,840
that she had lymphoma, and we had about four to

862
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,320
six weeks before she passed away, and so we really

863
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,280
tried to like pack as much as we could into

864
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,360
that timeframe. But also I thought to myself, well, gosh,

865
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,599
what what could we have done if we had prioritized

866
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,880
a bucket list way of living, like not at the end,

867
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,159
not just those last few weeks, but for ourselves and

868
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,920
for our pets. Just like this, this way of living

869
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,039
that really embraces life and embraces adventure and really making

870
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,719
those memories because life is short and we never know

871
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440
what's gonna happen or you know, when life is going

872
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:19,639
to change. Like you said, we've had those pets where

873
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,880
things just happen, you know, like you wake up one

874
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,800
day and something has changed, and you don't have always

875
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,960
that gift of time at the end. And so yeah,

876
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:33,079
living life in a way that you don't have to

877
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,199
have those regrets at the end of Man, I really

878
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,280
wish I would have done this, or I really.

879
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:38,639
Speaker 5: Wish we could have done that together.

880
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 4: So yeah, so maybe someday we'll have some bucket lists living,

881
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,960
you know, or cards or something.

882
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,599
Speaker 5: I don't know what it might be, but you know,

883
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,880
at least the encouragement.

884
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

885
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

886
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: What's funny is I kind of knew that Titan, my

887
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,239
beloved Titan, the soul dog, who we said goodbye to

888
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,039
last January. I did kind of like a bucket list thing,

889
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,320
but I would have. I just you know, you're in

890
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,920
the midst of anticipatory grief and so you're not like

891
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:14,960
every time you look at them you're not looking at

892
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,159
them with happiness. You're looking at them with that grief

893
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:19,039
already because they're still here, but you know they're not

894
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:19,719
going to be long.

895
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: So something that kind of.

896
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Gets you that just helps you just go through a

897
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,159
list that you don't have to come up with yourself.

898
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Sounds like it would be really healing and would remind

899
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,800
you of things you want to do that maybe later

900
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,639
you forget. So like with Socks when she passed away,

901
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,800
she was so sick at the end that she didn't

902
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,519
really have that big meal and she didn't really she

903
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,079
couldn't go for her last walk. Titan did because we

904
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:48,719
were very intentional about not waiting too long, so we

905
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
wouldn't want to wait too long until he wasn't able

906
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,880
to do those things. So there's there's a part of

907
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,519
me that wants that and like, you know, to include

908
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,599
like the what is it the quality of life scale

909
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,599
in there and kind of like you know, helping people

910
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,559
prepare for the inevitable. There are no products out there

911
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,840
like that, and I think that's a great idea because

912
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,320
I would have loved it. I mean, I you know,

913
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,519
when your big dog hits fifteen, you're like, oh my gosh,

914
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,639
we had a keen tangette for him. But you knew

915
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,639
that heartbreak was like on the horizon, and so that

916
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:21,920
would be really nice to be like, Okay, I know

917
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:25,000
something is terrible's coming, but let's do something to celebrate.

918
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,719
And we had friends over to celebrate him. We made

919
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,039
sure all the kids dropped hot dogs on the floor

920
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:30,800
the whole time.

921
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: But we did all the things.

922
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm sure there was a lot of

923
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,400
other things we could have done that I just wasn't

924
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,960
mentally or emotionally able to think about.

925
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: So tell us how.

926
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: Can my audience learn more about all that you do?

927
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,800
So those that are in South Dakota, what service areas

928
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,519
do you cover? And Memory Flame and your podcast tell

929
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:51,079
us everything.

930
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so our pet sitting services we cover Sufalls,

931
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,039
South Dakota. So actually i'll say suit Falls, Brandon, we

932
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,760
go into Tea and Harrisburg's kind of those outlying communities

933
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,679
as well, but we'll call it the Sioux Falls metro area.

934
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,440
And then memory Flame you can find us our website

935
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,760
and our Instagram and social media handles are the same.

936
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,920
It's memory Flame dot Co. And so you can find

937
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,159
us there. You can put an order in online. I

938
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,880
try to share a lot of things on the memory

939
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,199
Flame page that's very encouraging about grief and kind of

940
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,800
the reasons why you need to show up for other

941
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,920
people and kind of encouragement on how to do that.

942
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,360
So if you want to learn more about grief, I

943
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,920
kind of post things like that there. And then yeah,

944
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,920
my podcast is so the Lucky Pup Podcast. You can

945
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,400
find us Lucky puppod dot com or maybe it's Lucky

946
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280
popodcast dot com. I don't know search either one. You'll

947
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,400
find us on Instagram It's Lucky Pup Pod, so you

948
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,679
can find us there. And I love chatting with other

949
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,000
business owners and we're really talking about big ideas around business.

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So we're talking about you know, your branding and you know,

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kind of the financials and really these kind of bigger

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ideas that also kind of revolve around burnout because I

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am a huge, huge burnout advocate. As a pet sitter,

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I see way too much burnout in our industry and

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it's just something that I'm really passionate about. Again, it

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really it goes back to to Olive, and Olive really

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taught me that there is more to life than just

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work and that we really need to fully enjoy life,

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and we have to do that for ourselves. Like other

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pet sitters out there are making huge sacrifices to help

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other people live their full and happy lives, and we

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need to make sure we do that for ourselves as well.

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So that's what we're talking about over on the Lucky

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Pop podcast.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to propose a toast to you

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for being my friend, for being so wonderful, and for

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all that you do for the pet lovers in the world.

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I really think you have such a big heart and

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I'm so happy that you made time to chat with

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us today.

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Speaker 4: Cheers.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Ellis Belle, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure. I also want to propose a

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toast to my executive producer, Mark Winter. Thank you Mark,

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and to our audience for joining us for these awesome conversations.

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I hope that you got something great out of this,

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whether it's about an interest in fostering or just having

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a plan for any time that your friend or loved

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one has a loss in their life. I really do

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love Memory Flam. I think you do such a good job,

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so thank you so much. Here's still a life Covered

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in pet Hair because there's no better way to live.

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Speaker 5: Cheers, cheers.

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Speaker 1: To learn more about Covered in Pet Hair, please visit

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Covered in pet Hair dot com or petlife Radio dot com.

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Thanks for watching, and I'll see you next time.

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Speaker 3: Let's Talk pets every week on demand only on petlife

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Radio dot com