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Speaker 2: I'm now listening to soft core History.

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Speaker 3: What is up? Welcome back to soft core History. I

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am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as

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always by Dan Regester.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to host you in my apartment.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be in your home. It feels like

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a second home now. I was thinking like, if we

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ever did this full time, do we just like hang

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Speaker 1: Home is where the heart is. Yeah, yeah, I would

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probably expand. I'd probably get a bigger spot, second bedroom.

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If we did a full time office, I would probably

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make a studio, not an office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll make more sense rather than do it from

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our couch.

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Speaker 3: I mean no, we would still do that. We would

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need a couch.

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Speaker 1: We'd have a couch.

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Speaker 3: We have a couch.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the room would be the studio. It

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wouldn't just be your living room, public.

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Speaker 3: Area, your open concept living room. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I can look into your kitchen. Yeah, yeah, it's nice.

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Speaker 3: This is a classic. You have that mid twenty tens

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industrial apartment. All white, Yeah, all white, open floor plan,

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. We're recording early. This is going out in the holiday.

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This would be out on Labor Day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on a Friday today, which I love. Like

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I'm just done with work by noon.

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Speaker 1: Today, I'm going on a vacation that I already planned

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and by that. I mean, I'm just driving a big

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Bend by yourself with Chase. Oh yeah, my friend Shay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're watching college football as you watching college football

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as I drive doing a little vision quest.

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Speaker 3: God damn it.

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Speaker 1: Psychedelics you fucking do in the desert ayahuasca?

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Speaker 3: I will quit this show.

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Speaker 1: No, it's mushrooms.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Why the fuck would I do ayahuasca? I don't know,

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because because also where would I obtain ayahuasca this ship?

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Speaker 3: Again, I don't know where.

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Speaker 1: I would need a shaman?

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Speaker 3: Yeah you were that.

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Speaker 1: I would do it off a finger bone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in Austin. I feel like there's a lot

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of Ayahwaska connections here.

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Speaker 1: Again, I'm going to Big Bend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing mushrooms. It feels like a big eyawasc spot too,

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to be not really, No, it feels like a lot

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of people maybe an I begain spot.

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Speaker 3: Oh Jesus even worse. If you did either of this, you're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna kill the ego. Do some mushrooms in the desert,

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figure out what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: Have some fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have fun.

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Speaker 3: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: Chase's last trip probably.

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lost my job, my dogs on his way out.

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My shoulder toast can't lift for like three months.

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Speaker 3: Just tragedy after tragedy.

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Speaker 1: Things are on the way up. Look it up, this

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is rock bottom.

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Speaker 3: All we need is some mushrooms in the desert.

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Speaker 1: Figure it out.

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Speaker 3: I have faith in you, And especially since you're doing

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normal psychedelics and not assholes psychedelics.

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Speaker 1: You're only saying that because you just did mushrooms like

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this year.

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Speaker 3: I would say that even if I hadn't done them,

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because that mushrooms don't make you a fucking douchebag.

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Speaker 1: No, they can. They can certainly make you unbearable.

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Speaker 3: It's fair. Today we have a fun topic. Something I

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was kind of like I didn't know anything about, and

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it was really really interesting to me. I found this

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on I'm gonna give a shout out to the substack

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because it is actually like they did. They weren't really

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in depth on this, so shout out age of invention

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by Anton Howes on Substack for finding all this stuff.

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I'm kind of summarizing what he found, so shout out

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to him. This is it's a brilliant article. You should

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read the whole thing. It's really long. But when people.

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It caught my eye because you know, when people think

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about like terrible economics and the state running economics terribly obviously,

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the first thing that comes to mind always is, and

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not wrongfully so communism. You know China USSR that type

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of shit, right, horrible state planned economies that just fucking

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and suck and literally kill people. Obviously, capitalism not without

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Sydney there. We love to talk about the Gilded Age

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and factory gears greased by the wheels of orphans or

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greased by the blood of orphans.

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Speaker 1: Or your great great grandfather being in a steel beam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, part of his bones just being melted into He's part.

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Speaker 1: Of New York City.

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Speaker 3: Now, your grandfather literally helped build great great grandfather literally

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helped build New York City by dying in the construction

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accident and then just being smelted into it.

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Speaker 1: Really it was a molten steel.

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Speaker 3: I like to think when they were building the first

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version of the New York Skyline or any city skyline, Well.

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Speaker 1: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams, but it can melt

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your grandfather's body.

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Speaker 3: Your human bones. Yeah. I just like to think, like

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back then, once a week there was a work side

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accident that was the equivalent of Arnold Swarzenegger's stepping into

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the molten steel and terminator.

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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like a common work side accident. I

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think for for the time. Tell my Irish widow that

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I love our type of situation.

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Speaker 1: The floor manager's just pissed at his incompetence. What a

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piece of shit, what a dumb ass? Why?

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Speaker 3: I feel like the floor manager will be sent us back,

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be angry. But at least it doesn't feel like a

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time where he has to do a lot of paperwork

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about it.

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Speaker 1: No, but you maybe have to stop production for about

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ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: Everything gets slowed down just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We're behind schedule now, God damn Anderson.

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Speaker 3: Stay in an extra hour for Anderson falling into the lava.

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Let this. Let this be a lesson. Alia, don't fall

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in the lava or everyone else works like you hurt

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the whole team when you fall into the lava.

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Speaker 1: Selfish. Yeah, absolutely selfish, moved by Anderson, completely fucking selfish.

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Speaker 3: But I think and reading this kind of confronts it

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to me. I think, when what people really underrate, really underrate,

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is how shitty any I guess autocrat is for an economy,

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much shit as possible. Obviously, any one of these people

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have you know, advisors and stuff like that, but there's

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still one guy that includes kings. And I think the

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reason we underrate kings being shitty with the economy is

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that we kind of only we kind of only hear

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about good kings, right, We kind of only hear about

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the Kings that did a good job. And I think

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that's because my personal theory on it is because for

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a long time, I.

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Speaker 1: Just don't think that's accurate what hear about awful kings

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Speaker 3: We hear about the very worst, and we hear about

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the very best. But people forget that most of them

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were deeply mid. And when you have a deeply mid

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leader who gets to run everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have that's time to cover all these people.

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What we don't have that much time to cover all

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those people? You know, most of the US presidents, the

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general population does not because they just were very average.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair. Nobody even knows most of the good ones.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like Polk Polk. The goaded people don't give enough love.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because today I have an example of

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a king doing basically all of the worst shit you

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can imagine to an economy to try to fix the economy.

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It predates any modern version of the economy of our

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economics by like five hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Did he put all of his money into bitcoin or tulips?

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Speaker 3: No or tulips no, no, no, much worse than that.

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I can at least respect a gambler, you know what

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I mean. Yeah, a guy taking a big swing the

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bookles of the world. Yeah, I can respect a guy

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just being you know what, we're going all in on this.

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It's fine. Now, this guy just basically micro managed the

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economy in a way that was specifically designed to fuck

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ninety nine percent of the people. So it's thirteen hundreds England.

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Edward the Third is the king.

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Speaker 1: I've heard of Edward the Third, like a lot of

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people have.

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Speaker 3: What do you know about Edward the Third?

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Speaker 1: Edward the Third is kind of what sets up the

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whole story to the War of the Roses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's currently he's fighting in France and stuff

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like that, like every English king, I guess at the time.

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So Edward the Third has a bit of a crisis

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on his hands. The Black Death, so fair enough, the

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bobotic plague literally kills half of England's population. This creates

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insane inflation because even though half the population died, all

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of their money sticks around. So even for poor people

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there's a little bit of inheritance, there's the same amount

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of money. Now there's half the amount of people to

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spend it. Everyone has more money. Prices go crazy. Because

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prices go crazy, start demanding higher wages. And since half

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the people are dead, there's way less workers, and they

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have a shit ton of leverage to demand higher wages.

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Where you're gonna find anyone else, everyone's fucking dead. Pay

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Speaker 1: So you're saying plague is actually good for the workforce.

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Speaker 3: Plag is good for the workers. Yeah, if he kills enough.

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Speaker 1: People, you know, everything keeps going up in price. Right now,

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what if you know, I'm throwing this out there. We

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have another pandemic, a bigger one, a worse one.

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Speaker 3: Just to get the economy back on us, just to

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get my wages. Uh yeah, nothing's better for the working classes.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if that even happened during COVID,

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which is definitely went down.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like wages.

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Speaker 1: They're stagnant. Yeah yeah, I don't know if anything happened with.

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Speaker 3: That didn't kill enough people's problem. No, goddamn Operation War

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Speed killing the economy by not killing people the Kung flu.

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Yeah yeah, so the richrapist. The working class has all

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of the leverage. There's a worker shortage, and they can

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basically demand a shit ton of money to do a

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job that costs half as much before everyone died. So

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in thirteen forty nine, Edward tries to fight inflation by

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making it illegal to charge more for goods than before,

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and he makes it illegal for workers to demand higher

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wages than before. The bubonic plague killed half of the

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people in England.

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Speaker 1: Checkmate, what's up, dude? Sorry, would give you a raise,

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but it's illegal.

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Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, I can't do it. It can't fucking

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do it. He also demanded because workers a lot of

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times would be like, all right, you're not gonna pay me.

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the law saying every man and woman in England, able bodied,

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able bodied, you're working. If you are idle, you're gonna

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you're going to jail. Like if you're sitting out, if

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you're not actively seeking work or working, you're going to

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fucking jail. And anyone lock me up, daddy, Yeah, yeah,

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anyone who gives money to beggars, straight to jail, right

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to jail. However, there were still there was still a

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worker shortage, so the lot it self didn't do much

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because employers were like, I'm not gonna make any money

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if I don't hire somebody, so bidding wars over peasants,

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bidding wars over the lowest class are rampant, and the

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working class is making out great. They're making a ton

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of money. And not only that, like a worker will

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will get a cow and don't get a contract. A

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worker will agree to a wage and work for a

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couple of days, and then another employer on a farm

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or wherever will be like, what are you making? I'll

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give you like two shillings more or whatever the fuck

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the money was back then, and they're gone three days later.

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It's like pure free agency, pure fucking chaos. They can't

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keep anyone unless they raised the ways.

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Speaker 1: The nil era.

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Speaker 3: It is the.

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Speaker 1: Nil era, yeah, of it is transfer portal nil in

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medieval England, and that's what created the middle class.

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Speaker 3: It should have, it should have.

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Speaker 1: But then the plague just kind of went away, did

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it did?

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Speaker 3: Eventually loaded the wages. Well, the wages went away before

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the plague because the England kept being like, we cannot,

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under any circumstances tolerate this shit. So in thirteen fifty

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one Parliament, which at this point was run by nobles,

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there was a House of Commons, but the nobles were

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the bigger, better house, the House of Lords. I think

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they made it illegal for workers to leave their own

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town and village to find better paid work in other

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towns and villages, especially during harvest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, Edward the Third, I believe was so Georgie R.

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because that's what's so lousely based off of believe Edward

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the Third respected warrior, kind of the Taiwan lanister of

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the family. Okay, like the you know headed hancho that

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kind of sets everything up for his family. Okay, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: Is fair enough. However, based on everything in here, not

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a great king probably got good pr because he could fight, yeah,

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and he was fighting the French and all this shit,

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but economically fucked his whole country.

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Speaker 1: Taiwan Lanister, you know, he wasn't the best ruler either.

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Speaker 3: He was not. Actually, I think it was like a

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theme I was watching or reading something about Game of Thrones,

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so they're like, like, I think George Ormart was like

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Taiwin Lanister is not like he's ruthless or he's like

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sure of himself, but he's like way less competent than

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people think he is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he always saves a day, like in battle, but

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when he had when he's idle, he's.

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Speaker 3: When he's running shit, shit keeps getting fucked up it. Yeah,

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so you couldn't shop for jobs anymore, and you had

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to lock into contracts. They made it illegal to uh

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go day by day or week by week. You had

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to lock into like ideally year long contracts, but certainly

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like a month at least. And they made it illegal

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to hire in private anymore. If you wanted to hire workers,

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you had to go to the marketplace so everyone could

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hear you offer the wages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're really gonna fuck every other business owner

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if you're just shelling out too much.

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Speaker 2: Right, So someone would be there and be like, oh,

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hood lord edgetdn't giving four shilling.

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Speaker 3: And then they go to court. You can get sued

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for this. You can get in prison for this. Also,

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all the workers had to show up to the local

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constable office every six month and swear an oath that

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they wouldn't make too much money.

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Speaker 1: That's tough living right there, you're getting capped.

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Speaker 3: I do solemnly swear that we will remain poor forever.

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Speaker 1: That I will know my place and I shall not

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want more.

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Speaker 2: I have a dirty, dirty boy and a dirty boy

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I shall remain.

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Speaker 1: I was born into this and this is what I deserve.

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Speaker 2: I promise I would just eat food and make the

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bad men of money, no matter how hungry I am

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around any sick children, I have God very good.

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Speaker 3: Get on.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. I will intermit the past.

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Speaker 3: I would not eat if I do not have food.

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Just fucked. It's just fucked like and it keeps getting

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more and more. Fuck this whole thing. By the way,

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I'll just say now, this last like sixty years. It

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outlives Edward the third Yeah, duh like it. They do

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not take these laws away.

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Speaker 1: So once you established something, it's really hard to remove.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because the employers are like.

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Speaker 1: See the Patriot Act, the free market.

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Speaker 3: I hate the free market. I hate every goddamn day

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having to outbid the asshole on the farm next door.

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Fuck this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to hear anything from England ever again.

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Speaker 3: So even though they did pass a law being like

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you can't bidding, wars are over all this stuff, there's

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a loophole and they found it real quick that really

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only applied to wages, bonuses to cash. It applied to cash.

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So employers found ways around this, especially the nobles who

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were both landowners and business owners who needed to hire people,

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but also by din of being a noble, ran the courts. Yeah,

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so those guys were basically not abiding by it, or

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if they did, they would.

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Speaker 1: Get these guys off, they would they get the peasants off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. They would find ways to do this essentially to

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get around it. And one of the main ways was

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giving them other.

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Speaker 1: Shit instead of money. Yeah, here's a ruby the crown jewels.

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So this fucked over.

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Speaker 3: The poorer farmers, like the middle class farmers fucked.

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Speaker 1: By this and just pay people and food, really.

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's what they did. So the reason they

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had to do this was because when the law first passed,

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they realized that the workers who are now locked into

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dogshit wages weren't working very hard. They were getting about

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a third of the work done that they would normally

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get because they were like, what, dude, fuck this, I'm

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locked into this wage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have no incentive.

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Speaker 3: But literally zero incentive to do anything, and there's still

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a worker shortage, so the guy's not gonna come out

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and fire you.

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Speaker 1: The biggest problem with any type of communist or socialist

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society is just, yeah, you there's a straight up ceiling

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on what you can achieve, and humans are just not

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meant for that.

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Speaker 3: No, wouldn't you're saying that even about like Sweden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even like a socialist society like Sweden is just

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there's really no motivation to do anything.

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Speaker 3: But they're all comfy.

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Speaker 1: But humanity, Yeah, they're comfy, but like humanity is meant

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to just kind of constantly be moving, Like we're sharks man.

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Speaker 3: We're ants, little ants. We gotta keep picking shit up.

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Speaker 1: Ant's marching, Yeah, we gotta.

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Speaker 3: Just it's in our it's in our DNA.

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Speaker 1: Dude, I had no idea. Dave Matthew's from South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 1: I guess I've never heard him talk.

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Speaker 3: He sounds like a lunatic.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of missed out on the Dave Matthews

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a little after your time. Yeah, the whole.

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Speaker 3: Generation that was my high school era, like the late nineties,

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early two thousands, that was Dave.

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Speaker 1: People will just tail get the concerts, get fucked up.

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Speaker 3: Concerts were fun. I told you, the meanest thing that

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ever happened to me was that a Dave Matthew's concert.

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Speaker 1: There you go, what rehas you here?

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Speaker 3: But it was just like the most egregiously unnecessary small

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like not someone can punched me in the face or anything.

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But I was just like, why would you say that,

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I don't know you is the Dave Matthews concert.

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Speaker 1: We can throw on some Dave Matthews right now. I'll

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punch you in the face. So then it's only the

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second worst thing that's ever happened.

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Speaker 3: While Dave Matthews was playing in the background. I'll just

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say this, don't wear your Geography B T shirt to

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a Dave Matthew's concert or a college kid'll be mean

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to you.

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Speaker 1: You were a Geography be T shirt.

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Speaker 3: It's just a National Geographic on it wasn't like way

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I love geography.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. I got dunked on my freshman year of

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college going to a bar. I went to scoop at

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UCF in a dunder Mifflin T shirt.

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Speaker 3: And the dick about that.

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Speaker 1: The bouncer immediately just went, you're a faggot, Like, what

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the fuck? Man, I'm eighteen. I thought the office was cool.

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Speaker 3: That's literally what happened to me at the day Matthews

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got the same thing. I was just walking and somebody

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saw the shirt said that to me. I was like,

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what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's where you're gonna come into the bar

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with a dunder Mifflin T shirt? What the fuck?

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Speaker 3: Like it was almost through my night.

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Speaker 1: I was just like that, why why ever? Since then,

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I just can't watch the Office.

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Speaker 3: You go right back to that moment, come straight as hell.

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The workers were lazy as fuck, and the nobles had

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to find another way to pay them to make them

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less lazy, because they were like, fuck all this right,

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So the main loophole was giving them food and drink

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and stuff like that. What they when they used to

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just give them slop and shitty bread made out of

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mostly sawdust, I assume. Now they had to provide workers

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with high quality wheat bread, freshly cooked meat hot out

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of the pot, all right, no more cold salted jerky

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or whatever the fuck they were getting, and some delicious ales.

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No more, no more dirty brown water. You had to

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give them some some beer. Contemporaries people from the time,

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like employers and nobles and shit, were like, I fucking

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hate these people. They are literally better fed than I am.

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Speaker 1: So they're getting a little jealous of the peasant.

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Speaker 3: They are getting better fucking food than me. Workers also,

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who like went to go work on a farm or whatever,

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we're now like, because again there's a huge shortage. They're

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now like, hey, you know that like piece of wood

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and sack filled with straw you call a fucking pillow

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in the boarding house I have to live in. Yeah, no,

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I'm gonna need a mattress and a real pillow.

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Speaker 1: Now it's almost like seeing your phone carrier offering up

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all these sweet deals for new people to sign up,

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and you're like, I've been with you for like fifteen years.

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They got none of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where is my shit? I'm a loyal customers.

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Speaker 1: Why can I get a free phone?

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Speaker 3: You're in the bag, dickhead.

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Speaker 1: You sounds abitious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now they need time to blow up a

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cell tower. Now they need nicer beds and pillows too.

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They like feather beds and all this shit. But this

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is what pisses the rich people off the most by far.

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And this is the funniest part. They were also paid

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because they the wages were capped in nicer clothing and materials.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, they had swagged out. They all look dope

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as hell, fly as hell.

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Speaker 3: They It was described at the time that any like

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peasant labor or whatever, they basically all wore.

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Speaker 1: Gray clothes, just gray shitty. No, they got a pop

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color potato sack clothes.

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Speaker 3: Now they were giving given nicer clothes, I guess, more

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colorful clothes, furs with like shirts with fur trim on.

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Speaker 1: It, technic color jackets.

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Speaker 3: Servants and laborers became so well dressed that one historian

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from the time worried, quote, one person cannot be discerned

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00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,599
from another in splendor of dress or belongings.

474
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: How can we tell who the poores are and keep

475
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,799
them out of our parties? They couldn't tell. They were

476
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,599
getting angry because they couldn't tell who was poor anymore?

477
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,119
They're still I mean, I guess everyone's dirty back then

478
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,599
because they're not really bathing, because it's kind of gay

479
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,400
to bathe back then.

480
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean also you assume they opened their mouths

481
00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:47,559
and they're like, oh I've got and you're like, oh, okay,

482
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:52,000
poor Yeah, yeah, whatever the Cockney was back then. It

483
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,160
was when Cockney probably, but they literally the poor people

484
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,279
were walking around in two nights of clothes and they

485
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,240
were like, I don't know who's poor anymore. This is

486
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,759
a nightmare. It's like a British Larry David, like, I

487
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,559
just want to know who's poor. I don't want to

488
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,519
talk to a poor person. No, I can't tell these

489
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,759
people to tell waste my time with poor people now.

490
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,079
Speaker 1: Identity crisis left and right. It's unfortunate for the nobles

491
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:15,640
of the time.

492
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,079
Speaker 3: And they were also annoyed. Yeah, they're also annoyed that

493
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480
the people were making money or like looking nicer and

494
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,519
they could then, I guess, resell these things if they

495
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,720
wanted to, so getting more money that way, and it

496
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,599
was making them very uppity.

497
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you start to feel yourself look good, feel good,

498
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:35,000
play good.

499
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: Didn't know their place and the employers were like, and

500
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,160
we can't fucking say anything to them because they'll leave.

501
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: I'll go to a better spot for more pay.

502
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,039
Speaker 3: I just have to eat shit on this and don't

503
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:50,119
goddamn sick of it.

504
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: What it's time to be alive. I mean, you have

505
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,079
to overcome the Black Death. You have to build up

506
00:25:55,079 --> 00:26:00,000
the immunity to that. But you survive and it's greener pastures.

507
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're If you survive the Black Death, you're

508
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:05,720
crushing it deservingly.

509
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: So, I mean, what was the kill rate on the

510
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,039
half half?

511
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:11,279
Speaker 3: It took out half the English population.

512
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: There's a sense of just like I'm immortal.

513
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: Honestly, It's not the worst instinct to have. It's it's

514
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,519
an understandable instinct to have if you survived the Black Death.

515
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: To be like, am I am I God?

516
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,839
Speaker 3: Am I my? The fucking shit like am I? Just

517
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,279
like unkillable.

518
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: They didn't even have to go on a vision quest

519
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,839
and do ayahuasca.

520
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,279
Speaker 3: No, they just had to look around sober and be like, no,

521
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,680
I think I'm God.

522
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: Outlived all their siblings as their dead bodies being carted off, Like,

523
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,319
guess I'm not that weak now, Jerry, am I.

524
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:55,599
Speaker 3: Who's the bitch. No, So obviously all of this just

525
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:01,039
leads to more and more enforcement, and all of this

526
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:08,200
enforcement keeps fucking everyone and it has horrible incentives. One

527
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,079
of my favorite ones is that there was they would

528
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,279
sue people, right, people would get tried and stuff like that. However,

529
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:24,599
juries and there were juries wouldn't necessarily want to convict

530
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:26,240
because juries were made up of people from the town

531
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,839
and stuff like that. Juries wouldn't necessarily want to convict

532
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,039
they're the boys.

533
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is also the direct opposite of a

534
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,920
debtor's prison. Yeah, this is we paid you too much prison, Yeah, exactly,

535
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,759
and so over abundance prison.

536
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: So a lot of times if a worker was seen

537
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,440
as collecting too much wages, they could be taken to court.

538
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,799
Speaker 1: Right, This is like when I got paid too much

539
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:52,759
money by unemployment and they're trying to get their money back.

540
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,319
That's on you, Like, I didn't deposit it into my account.

541
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,319
That's your problem. You are a shitty bookkeeper. That is

542
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,079
not my issue.

543
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: That's how I feel it should be. If a bank

544
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,839
puts too much money into your cut like that, dude,

545
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:05,119
that's on.

546
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, that's mine.

547
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: Now you're getting your wages going, this is my shit

548
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,480
stuck by dick, Like, I'm not giving this back. You

549
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480
can't just let me open my app and see that

550
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,599
and then take it away.

551
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Just because I immediately went to the ATM and withdrew

552
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:19,640
all of it.

553
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: What would you do? It's like again to go back

554
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,359
to Sweden. I think it's like not illegal to try

555
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,400
to escape from prison in Sweden because they're just like

556
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,559
it's normal.

557
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: The dude that shot up and killed like seventy people

558
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,640
in Norway, yeah in twenty eleven. Yeah, Norway, I believe

559
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,720
has a max sentence of a little over twenty years.

560
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,880
So he's coming up. Boy, he's gonna get out of prison.

561
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:47,359
They're like twenty thirty two.

562
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: There is not a lot of like strong evidence that

563
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,119
the death penalty is a deterrent.

564
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Don't think he's remorseful for Yeah, I'll tell you what.

565
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,880
All those murders.

566
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: And that only being twenty years is like an open

567
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:07,079
door to do it. Yeah. Yeah, So Jerrys wouldn't want

568
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,200
to indict their friends or indict other workers, so the

569
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,759
government had to give them a little little juice to

570
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,400
get them to roll over on their fellow workers, on

571
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,680
their boys. And that juice was if you were convicted

572
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,319
of getting excess wages, all of your excess wages were

573
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:35,920
taken and putting into the town coffers and whatever that

574
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,640
went into that cut the taxes for everyone else.

575
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Oh, they're gonna be like they had a fifty to

576
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,799
fifty raffle. Everyone bought tickets, you could go home with half.

577
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,839
Speaker 3: I mean they got to keep money because of it.

578
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,720
So now if you convict enough people, you don't have

579
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:53,880
to pay taxes for the year.

580
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,039
Speaker 1: I wonder where the fifty to fifty raffles started? Was

581
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,400
it the Chicago Cubs game? We don't know.

582
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate that because during the like Gilded Age

583
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,200
and the late eighteen hundreds or no even in the

584
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
remember we talked about it in the Economy episode about

585
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:10,599
or just like how shitty it was to live in

586
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,839
the seventeen hundreds, they would raise a lot of money

587
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960
for like public projects and also like churches and stuff

588
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,799
with fifty to fifty raffles, and like the late sixteen hundreds,

589
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:18,640
early seventeen hundred.

590
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: When did bingo games start?

591
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: Bingo was nineteen forty one to help fund the war effort,

592
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:28,799
of course. Yeah, so now jurys were like, hell, fuck,

593
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,079
let's convict the fuck out of these people. Like sorry, dude, sorry, Brandon,

594
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:36,920
you're going in like you're guilty again.

595
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,039
Speaker 1: You're incentivizing them with more money. So it seems like

596
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200
the issue all along is cap and people.

597
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, capping the wages fucked everything.

598
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: And in order to solve capin the issues that came

599
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,400
with cap'n wages is to then incentivize people with more money,

600
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,039
as if that could have just solved the problem to

601
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,000
begin with, right.

602
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 3: A bit of a roundabout way. In thirteen fifty two alone,

603
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,279
seven five hundred workers in one area of England, which

604
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:13,599
was approximately fifteen percent of the entire adult population, were

605
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,039
indicted by juries and forced to hand over their excess wages,

606
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:23,119
which cut that county's tax bill in over half. So

607
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,680
everyone got their tax bill sliced by like sixty percent.

608
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 1: Damn over taxes back then.

609
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, but they had to pay sixty percent

610
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,160
less because they just fucking convicted everyone that got sent

611
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,799
in front of them.

612
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: Still less than it is now. Probably, I don't know.

613
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what the I have

614
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,599
no idea. I don't even know if the records are

615
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:47,079
that good for it. Parliament also was like, man, this

616
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,359
isn't this really isn't working, so they made the breaking

617
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,000
the labor laws more harsh, like the punishment or whatever.

618
00:31:54,279 --> 00:32:00,000
Instead of fines and wages being garnished, excess wages being guarne,

619
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,319
you now got fifteen days in the stalks for taking excess.

620
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 1: Wages getting tomatoes thrown in your face.

621
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually so the stocks. I didn't realize this the

622
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,599
thing with your head, and that's called the pillory, and

623
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,559
the stalks are on your legs. So you just had

624
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,160
to sit in public for fifteen days with a huge

625
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,920
piece of wood on your legs, not being able to move.

626
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,519
People could still throw tomatoes and stuff at you. I

627
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:22,960
guess you're not gonna be able to chase them down.

628
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm definitely tossing some vegetables.

629
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,799
Speaker 3: Do you want to go something with a splat or

630
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,079
something with like something hard?

631
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,599
Speaker 1: I think splat is more enjoyable. Throwing like a hard

632
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,519
onion at him or a potato not great.

633
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually don't even think they have tomatoes or

634
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,680
potatoes available to them yet they don't.

635
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,079
Speaker 1: But that's not the point, rob.

636
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: Let's just pretend it's actually the seventeen hundreds and you

637
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,240
are you are Patrick mahomesing a pineapple at their face.

638
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,839
Speaker 1: What's the worst fruit or vegetable you could throw out somebody?

639
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:57,759
Is it a melon?

640
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: I don't know that, I'm on the top. Pineapple? Watermelon

641
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,200
would be pretty mean.

642
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: Watermelon might give somebody at least a concussion. Yeah, could

643
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,240
kill someone. You have to throw it fast enough.

644
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: You have to throw it soccer style though, like over

645
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:13,319
over your head.

646
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: Well how else are you gonna throw it under.

647
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,519
Speaker 3: Arm a side hurt like a rugby ball?

648
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just kind of smashing it directly over their head.

649
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I do think to be fair you should have

650
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,880
to drag the foot. Nah.

651
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: No rules when it comes to throwing fruit or vegetables.

652
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: People at the stocks.

653
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you rather be hit with?

654
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,839
Speaker 3: Would I rather be hit?

655
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Which?

656
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,359
Speaker 3: Like a tomato? It's not gonna do anything.

657
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: Tomato's fine, Yeah.

658
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: I just piss you off. Yeah, it would be low

659
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,440
key shitty as an orange, because I don't think that

660
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,200
thing's really splattering, and you can really whip a fucking.

661
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,799
Speaker 1: Orange, especially if it has a skin on yeah yeah.

662
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: Or skin on orange is gonna fuck you, low key

663
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,680
fuck you up. One of my favorite things on Jackass ever,

664
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,720
was when they took.

665
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,319
Speaker 1: I would in for the balls. Of course it was

666
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:04,880
a man.

667
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: For taking his excess wages, right, trying to make money.

668
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: I guess, let's be time correct. Then what what are

669
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
we throwing at them? Because it's not oranges? Yeah, I

670
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,840
don't know. It just it's not tomatoes. It's not potatoes.

671
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,239
I guess.

672
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: I think this is probably gonna be the main one, cabbage, radish,

673
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,320
and then they have squashes and cauliflower.

674
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Okay, had a calliflower.

675
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: Would be fun because I would explode.

676
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: It's good visual.

677
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,599
Speaker 3: It is a good visual. Yeah, you don't get a

678
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,400
fun noise, I think, but it is a good it'll

679
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:37,960
it'll pop.

680
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: Onion sucks the most. I think of all those onions.

681
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,559
Speaker 3: Just throwing a baseball, it's one.

682
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,079
Speaker 1: You hit them right in the temple. It might be

683
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,000
night over, it might be lights out.

684
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: You're just Nolan ryaning someone with a fucking onion. Parliament

685
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,760
was also pissed off because people were still traveling to

686
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,039
work and they were like, this has got the this

687
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:07,800
has got to goddamn stop. So an employer could have

688
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:14,800
their run away, their run away free laborer arrested and

689
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,320
returned to them.

690
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: So slave, Yes, so slave.

691
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: And see if this sounds slavy or not. The runaway worker,

692
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,559
when returned, was to be quote burnt in the forehead

693
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,280
with an iron made and formed of the letter F.

694
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: So brand Yeah, they had to be branded on the

695
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,519
forehead with the letter F oh F in the chat?

696
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,400
Is that where that's from? You get branded with an

697
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,719
F F failure? Yeah, okay, it was for falsity.

698
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: You're a liar if you had an F on your forehead.

699
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,039
Speaker 1: Everybody leave an F in the chat for falsity.

700
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: Eventually, Parliament also got wind of all the meal and

701
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,400
clothes stuff and they outlawed the fuck out of that.

702
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,039
They said that no laborers have to eat shitty food

703
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,559
they're poor, feed them like they're poor.

704
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 1: They got to know their place, yep.

705
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,559
Speaker 3: And they made laws against people who weren't rich wearing

706
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:17,400
nice clothes. They literally legislated what type of garments laborers

707
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,239
were allowed to wear. They were to wear no manner

708
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,880
of cloth but blanket and russet wool worth under a shilling.

709
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,239
They couldn't wear any girdles. I get so, they couldn't

710
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,079
wear underwear. Oh, they couldn't wear underwear of anything better

711
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:32,639
than linen.

712
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:36,599
Speaker 1: Why man, what are we doing?

713
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: They were also outlawed from having silks, having buttons on

714
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:42,639
their clothes.

715
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 1: God forbid they have a button.

716
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,519
Speaker 3: They couldn't wear rings, garters, ribbons, just sacks.

717
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you said potatoes weren't around, so not a

718
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:54,880
potato sack.

719
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,679
Speaker 3: It's a cabbage sack.

720
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: It's a cabbage sack. Cabbage sack. Kids.

721
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: Uh, this is going to cut deep with you and

722
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,519
every blue collar Philly worker. No chains?

723
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: What how do you exist? How do you live? How

724
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,039
do you go out in public without a chain? Absolutely?

725
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,000
Zero chains?

726
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: And you couldn't have anything embroidered either.

727
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't affect me at all.

728
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: You're wearing something embroidered right now. That Phillies jersey is

729
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,760
literally I'm sorry, that Eagles jersey is literally embroidered.

730
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Doesn't effect me.

731
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:32,679
Speaker 3: This caused, among other things, a violent uprising in the

732
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,119
thirteen eighties, but that got put down.

733
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,599
Speaker 1: Whatever kept doubling and tripling just uplin down.

734
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: Constantly making it I don't know, like putting band aids

735
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,800
on bullet every bullet wound they caused.

736
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,199
Speaker 1: They would just put another bullet wound where the bullet

737
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:54,559
wound was just shoot them again, Yeah, until they learned

738
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,199
their lesson.

739
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,519
Speaker 3: Another thing that the employers and the landowners especially found

740
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,519
to be problematic was that, believe it or not, these

741
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,960
poor people wanted upward mobility for their family.

742
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 1: Don't care for the poorest, thinking they can just earn

743
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,199
their way up.

744
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,559
Speaker 3: Right, imagine seeing some poor mud person.

745
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: You have to be born into this, okay, right, this

746
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,960
is not for everybody, not for you. It's not earned,

747
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,760
it's divine, it's given. It's thanks to the heavens God

748
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,239
above is determined, He makes no mistakes.

749
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: One's no one's giving it to you. Essentially, a lot

750
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,360
of like landowners would look at, you know, some shitty

751
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,920
mud family whose dad was working the farm and be like,

752
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:48,000
oh sweet, he had eight kids and five of them lived.

753
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: Your father was a mud person. His father was a

754
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,880
mud person. With just a bunch of mud people. You

755
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,239
can't get out of it. You're always gonna be a

756
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,800
mud person, Danny.

757
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,679
Speaker 3: That's what you always ah. And there was no there

758
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,960
was no speech giving Like best part of my day

759
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,639
was waiting hoping you don't come out that door. I'll

760
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,840
fucking kill you if you stick around here.

761
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Get the fuck it.

762
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: Was actually the landowners. They're like, I'll fucking kill you

763
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,360
if you don't stick around you. So they see mud

764
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,400
family with five kids, and they're like, dude, all right,

765
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,000
population's coming back. I'm gonna five more mud five people

766
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,280
work in my fucking farm. But the Mud people on

767
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,800
other plans, and they were like, oh, I'm gonna get

768
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,559
some of my sons or whatever internships apprenticeships with like

769
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:42,599
a blacksmith or a carpenter or whatever. You know, there'll

770
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,360
be a tradesman. They'll be middle class, and then we

771
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,280
can keep moving up, so on and so forth. The

772
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,760
nobles were like, whoa.

773
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,039
Speaker 1: Whoa, what do you think you're doing their palace? That's

774
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,960
my farm boy, get back to the fields.

775
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, yeah, come on, man, what

776
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:58,199
I was counting on him?

777
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,599
Speaker 1: You're doing mess with iron.

778
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: It's not what he does. But the blacksmith's kid do that.

779
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,079
So they made it illegal. They made it if you

780
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,559
were born to a you know, farm laborer or whatever,

781
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:11,639
that's your fucking job.

782
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: Asshole family business.

783
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no apprenticeships for you.

784
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:19,039
Speaker 1: Simpler time, a better time. I'd be a waterman right now.

785
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,679
I never I wouldn't have to worry about my future.

786
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would just be I would be a.

787
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: Water treatment operator in Philadelphia.

788
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: Happily changing anything. So anyone who had practiced farming below

789
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,039
the age of twelve, you're locked in. You are completely

790
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:39,079
locked in. And to continue to make sure that, say,

791
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,400
I don't know, you didn't try to get around it

792
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,400
by sending your kid into London or another town or whatever.

793
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,400
The English government created an internal passport.

794
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,559
Speaker 1: System so they controlled where you could go.

795
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: Yep, sweet and town, I don't know what you call it,

796
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:02,480
constables or whatever. It was a huge part of their

797
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,880
job to walk around the town. Again. You know, these

798
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,760
people they all know each other, and shit if they

799
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,440
see someone to essentially be like, who do you know here?

800
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: See something? Say something?

801
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: Who do you know here?

802
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: Bro? Yeah?

803
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: It was illegal to be a stranger. Sweet, You had

804
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,960
to have someone lifting, you had to have someone get

805
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,079
in another town vouch for you. It was illegal to

806
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,719
stay with them for more than one night unless you

807
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,360
were sick. And if you didn't have a passport, straight

808
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,880
to jail four indefinitely for as long as they want

809
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,840
until they just figure out what the fuck to do

810
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,440
with you. Yeah.

811
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,559
Speaker 1: So, and they just killed you.

812
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,679
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So they did everything in their power except let the

852
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free market buck when the Black Death happened.

853
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: But capitalism is the problem.

854
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, so this shit continued for decades,

855
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,679
even after the plague subsided, all the way into fourteen

856
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:13,639
forty five, Parliament still not happy because England's population, largely

857
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,440
because of this, doesn't recover. It remains stagnant. People can't

858
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,400
afford to have kids, so the worker shortages continue and

859
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,159
they have to keep fighting to make sure that there's

860
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:26,199
people on the farms and.

861
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:28,679
Speaker 1: Shit, and no, no, a civil war popped up. Yeah,

862
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:32,320
we gotta lose half these people to battle more. People

863
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,480
keep dying from the civil wars and shit like that.

864
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,800
Also they're fighting France. Agincourt happens during this time period

865
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,159
and stuff like that. Agincourt they rolled, they did rocket

866
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:44,320
at his court. So our boy Henry the fifth, he's

867
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,480
part of this too. It goes past Edward the third.

868
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 3: So Timothy Shallomey holds it didn't solve the problem. He

869
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440
did not solve this problem. He was sweet in Agincourt.

870
00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:00,599
He could fuck some people up, but he was not

871
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,639
great for the economy. So it keeps getting worse even

872
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,719
with all these laws. So Parliament then is just like, okay,

873
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,039
every justice to the peace in every town. You are

874
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,119
now judge dread. We don't even need a jury anymore.

875
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,119
Speaker 1: No, may quick, We got it. Just there's too much.

876
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:19,639
There's just too much paperwork.

877
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: Just if you see someone, it's all on you can

878
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,800
you can convict them on the spot and just throw

879
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,840
them in jail, take their money. Let's just make this straightforward.

880
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,159
Speaker 1: How did England persevere after this? I don't I don't

881
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,639
get it. How did they become? You know this in

882
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,800
taught this huge empire that takes over the sun never sets.

883
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,159
Speaker 3: Oh, it set them back over one hundred. They had

884
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,719
a hundred year long depression from like the mid thirteen

885
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,599
hundreds to the mid fourteen hundreds. It it fucks the

886
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,880
population for another like hundred years. After that, they only

887
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,559
get back to pre Black death levels at like fifteen hundred,

888
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,559
whereas France and the rest of Europe way past it.

889
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,440
They recover Italy even they recovered quickly, Even Scotland bounced

890
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:13,519
back faster than England. The population stayed completely low and

891
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,760
the economy was fucked for one hundred and fifty years

892
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:21,679
because they wouldn't let poor people make the market rate

893
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,079
for their labor or wear nice clothes.

894
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: And the tutors probably didn't help with this. I can't

895
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,599
imagine they seemed to be cut from the cloth of

896
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,760
keep the poor poor.

897
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the tutor's not super helpful with it. I

898
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,119
think eventually it just like their economy does go off

899
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:44,360
in the fifteen hundreds, and I think eventually it just

900
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,840
shakes itself out. Because England was a good like economic

901
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,719
engine of an island at the time. They just depressed

902
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,039
themselves for a one hundred and fifty years because the

903
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:59,679
nobles were like, I'm too lazy to negotiate pay rates.

904
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,079
Speaker 1: These pores just can't be this happy. They're happier than

905
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,679
I am. Now, yeah, there, we can't stand for that.

906
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: I most of my happiness came.

907
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: From looking at how miserable the pores were.

908
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: Like it could always be like the grass is not

909
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:18,960
greener on the other side for me, ever, and that's awesome.

910
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,039
Speaker 1: And I think we can relate with that. Honestly, a

911
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,679
lot of modern day society really gets off at the

912
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,440
struggle of those around them.

913
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 3: I mean, medieval England ran do a Schadenfreud economy. Essentially.

914
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,000
It was just like, well, I smell like shit, and

915
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,239
even half of my family died from the Black Death.

916
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,039
But at least I eat hot meat.

917
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Like my life not going so great but still doing

918
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,559
better than Johnny from high school.

919
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at this asshole still.

920
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Trying to become a SoundCloud wrapper.

921
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: We should make SoundCloud illegal. He might pop off. His

922
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,599
beats were actually pretty pretty good.

923
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: Listening to his last track, it was actually catchy as hell.

924
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,719
Don't love that.

925
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Parliament and let.

926
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: We need to assassinate chance to the rapper, so SoundCloud

927
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,480
goes under.

928
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we cannot fucking have that at all. But yeah,

929
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,679
that is the story of how Edward the third and

930
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,719
then like the next fucking four leaders of England just

931
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,519
made sure that no one made money and at some

932
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:30,679
point they're basically trying to keep like fourteen twenty wages

933
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:36,760
at thirteen fifty levels. Yeah, state planned economy.

934
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,599
Speaker 1: And then my boy Henry five for kno getting the

935
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:39,320
soft I.

936
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: Know, one man run economies absolute dogshit, but it predates

937
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,320
our modern ideas of economics by quite a bit. And

938
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,880
this one just tickled me in particular because of how

939
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:57,239
petty it was, like you look too rich, you look

940
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,159
too nice. I need you to smell more like shit.

941
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Speaker 1: Where did the church come into play for this? Oh?

942
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Speaker 3: They got fucked to priests basically were under the same

943
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economic laws.

944
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Speaker 1: Damn.

945
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Speaker 3: So priests had their wages capped, Priests were not allowed

946
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to travel unless without a passport or whatever it was.

947
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Speaker 1: Ever, what was hitting the collection basket?

948
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Speaker 3: What was in the collection basket?

949
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Speaker 1: Just like a trial date?

950
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the clergy. Nothing really like interesting happened

951
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with the clergy, Like there was a whole part on that,

952
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,800
but it was basically just like the same shit happened

953
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to them.

954
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Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, I know what I learned to day, Rob,

955
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,599
what'd you learn today? Capitalism is the best system out there.

956
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Speaker 3: I mean this was literally the term didn't exist, but

957
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:47,960
this was all free market oppression.

958
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: I already knew it though. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's

959
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,239
not perfect, we get it, a lot of drawbacks. Capitalism

960
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,559
still the best, still, the best thing that ever come along.

961
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There ain't a better.

962
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,119
Speaker 3: If you want to try to make a better one,

963
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,199
do it. But let's not do throwbacks.

964
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never truly been tried.

965
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,199
Speaker 3: My favorite fact today was that, like just the the

966
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,440
fourteenth century equivalent of a waterman wasn't allowed as gold chain.

967
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: You can't suppress the blue collar worker from putting on

968
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:35,719
his best Italian silver chain and going out and hitting

969
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the bars.

970
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: It's unnatural.

971
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: You can't do it.

972
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: He just wants one little chain.

973
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: He just wants the peacock.

974
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: I mean the nobles have like the slightest bit. The

975
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,480
nobles have like wrapper chains. Yeah, he just wants a

976
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:54,880
little baby thin just to wear it, and maybe one

977
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,719
ring to show off how cool he is. He doesn't

978
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,920
want your whole thing. I'm not a gaudy man.

979
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,119
Speaker 1: No, it's simplistic, it's easy.

980
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, they shut all down. I also liked that

981
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,840
they very successfully convinced juries to fuck their neighbors.

982
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: You're taken from his pockets, but it's going into yours.

983
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think also obviously the like Constables and

984
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,079
Justice of the Piece whatever it was, had some sort

985
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:25,760
of like traffic ticket quota.

986
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: What's that experiment where they gave people the power at

987
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Stanford prison experiment you had to harm others? Yeah, yeah,

988
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,960
we did that already. Yeah, a lot of times in England.

989
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of times. It is like

990
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,159
they rolled over on each other con so they're not

991
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,039
innocent of this, by the way at all either. They

992
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,840
were happy to fuck each other over if it meant

993
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,079
more money in their own pockets.

994
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,639
Speaker 1: We have not really had community this whole time, have we.

995
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: It just goes back to your point. People need people

996
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,320
want to get stuff, you.

997
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, collect your token.

998
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: People need motivation.

999
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: And if the only motivation on the table is uh

1000
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,360
taking Steve's money, so be it.

1001
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you gotta do. Who's today's hitler?

1002
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,639
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna when I can have the opportunity to

1003
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,599
blame Henry six, I will, So I'll just say it

1004
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,360
was Henry six and six, Okay, because he gave back

1005
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,840
so much of England to the French.

1006
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: I kind of yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was another

1007
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,000
thing too. One of the motivators of keeping these economic

1008
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,440
laws was that they were, ay, there were wars going

1009
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,000
on the whole time that they need to pay for.

1010
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,039
And B even though higher wages might have been higher

1011
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:45,920
taxes fucking morons B or higher tax revenue I should

1012
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,760
say B. Once they started losing the wars, they started

1013
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,880
losing even more money and they were like, well, we can't.

1014
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:57,559
We need to keep the money in our pockets.

1015
00:52:57,679 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1016
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: So none of this helped at all.

1017
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: Very fitting that you picked this for Labor Day. It

1018
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,960
was an accident too, actually happy accident. Yeah, this did start.

1019
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,639
I didn't get into it because again, there wasn't like

1020
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,880
a ton of super interesting stuff about it. But this

1021
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,320
did kick off a lot of unionization amongst the middle class,

1022
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,079
like skilled workers like carpenters, blacksmiths, so on and so forth.

1023
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,440
So I have a problem with the unions. Blame the English.

1024
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, weavers, all that stuff. They unionized a lot, and

1025
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:27,760
they would get around the laws by doing stuff, but

1026
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,320
it just wasn't interesting. I kind of think my Hitler today,

1027
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,159
I kind of think I'm just even gonna go back

1028
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,280
to the people who asked Edward the third to do this,

1029
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:43,840
all the assholes who were too lazy or too cheap,

1030
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,960
too cheap to play the free market. Not grind, no grind.

1031
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,199
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, I want to be handed everything.

1032
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all you had to do was pay. And actually,

1033
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,039
what's funny is if you increase your wages enough and

1034
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,320
took workers from everyone else, now you're even richer because

1035
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,920
no one else can even put out any product.

1036
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:06,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then.

1037
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 3: You buy their shit, their farms because they got no

1038
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,400
one work at them.

1039
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 1: Just poor businessmen all around, bad business all around.

1040
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's all I got for today. That was

1041
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,360
how England shot their own economy in the dick after

1042
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,079
the Black Death.

1043
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,199
Speaker 1: Man, So not the worst thing that happened around that time.

1044
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: Second worst thing, Yeah, at least.

1045
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: The Black Death being number two.

1046
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, black death is two.

1047
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: Rolling over on your neighbors number one, and.

1048
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,199
Speaker 3: Not allowing you know, people to wear gold chains after

1049
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:40,559
their blue collar job.

1050
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: Your skill set doesn't matter.

1051
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:44,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a farmer forever.

1052
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,159
Speaker 1: Fuck you.

1053
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,519
Speaker 3: Internal passport would piss me off endlessly.

1054
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm just stuck in this like zone.

1055
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah sweet, yeah, fucking awesome, dude. But yeah, that's all

1056
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,400
I got for today. Again, we have a Patreon with

1057
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,280
a lot more episodes like this and a whole bunch

1058
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,199
of other cool stuff.

1059
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: Everyone was in hot like house arrest.

1060
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: It was just yeah, actually, let me not move. There's

1061
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,719
a great line from the start of this article again,

1062
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,840
Age of Invention by Anton Howe's uh, there's an old

1063
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,639
proverb about I'm quoting it here. There's an old proverb

1064
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,920
about England current in the sixteenth century, that it was

1065
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,360
hell for horses, a paradise for women, and a purgatory

1066
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,639
or prison for servants.

1067
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: What did women have it so?

1068
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,519
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't doesn't sound like

1069
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:28,159
they did, but.

1070
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: It's like prossed. Two wadges remained up the roof.

1071
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if you're a contractor like that, but

1072
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,280
maybe you have to cap your prices.

1073
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,199
Speaker 1: Oh dude, like sorry, sorry, mamm, you cannot charge three

1074
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,880
shillings for that snatch that.

1075
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,119
Speaker 3: Is that is too much. I made half a shilling today.

1076
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Two and a half at most.

1077
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,039
Speaker 3: I'll skip the hell and slager voice.

1078
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but yeah. Patreon dot com soa software history,

1079
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,639
just did an episode on the Mongols on Friday. Good

1080
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:11,119
Eppy did a voicemail episode. We got plenty of content

1081
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:13,400
on there, you know, three years of evergreen content. At

1082
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,960
this point, five dollars get you two episodes a week,

1083
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,119
and then we have a twenty dollars tier because we

1084
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,800
need money and people have just willingly upped their membership

1085
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,960
to twenty bucks, so we felt like we needed to

1086
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,840
provide some more stuff.

1087
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: We are nothing if not riddled with Catholic guilt. Yeah,

1088
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:34,920
and so we.

1089
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: Don't want to be a charity. We're gonna contribute a

1090
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,039
bunch of stuff onto the twenty dollars tier as well.

1091
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:41,239
Included a sports show every week.

1092
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: So sports show every week and a lot of other

1093
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,239
really cool content. We are not taking anything away from

1094
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,079
the five dollar tier.

1095
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: It's just an additional stuff. It's all additional, so check

1096
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,440
it out. Yeah, check it out. But that's all we

1097
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,559
got for today. For dan Or Jester, I'm Rob Fox.

1098
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You just got saucer.