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for me to say, Hey, Ryan, we're back for yet
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Speaker 2: What is going down?
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arc of evolution as we slog through the three gild
color pairings that I was the least excited to talk about.
But Aias was actually pretty cool, So maybe we'll be
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Speaker 1: Yeah what he said?
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So they would make a bigger No, it's okay, you're
professional today. We're talking about demeor yes, or just so
I can piss you off, demer dimer dimer and we're
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good dudes, they have them very heck them handsome,
Oh very handsome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, heck too, heck them too. Yeah. They sent us
every commander in every color pair and combination of monocolor
blah blah blah from twenty nineteen, which is before.
Speaker 1: Universes Beyond happened.
Speaker 2: And we're seeing if Universes Beyond has really affected the
most popular commanders in our format, and really and hyperbolically,
we're we're looking at has Universes Beyond destroyed our format?
Like a lot of people kind of hypothesized and said, hey,
I'm not going to support this because it's other ips
and it's ruining magic power creep and sucking in new
players for hyper expensive products just to force feed them
the best stuff ever and so far not the case
at all. I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what was the record? Three?
Speaker 2: The record is three Universes Beyond in the top ten. Yep,
last week's Azorious had only one, just one from Final
Fantasy And it was like at the number, what three
spot or four spots?
Speaker 1: We hope the Life Game.
Speaker 2: Mill deck like, oh, that's just that deserve to be there, man,
Like a rock card, rock hard, yeah, super cool deck.
The most that we've seen was whatever monocolor that had
three and today we're doing demean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen one universes beyond card be number
one in a color that was sef and mono black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it's a universe is beyond card. So
you can say, oh, they pushed it, blah blah blah,
but it's really just another in the long line of
legends that could be your Mono black Aristocrats Commander. You
don't want to play Sepharoth or you just want to
put him in the ninety nine because you don't want
to be like everybody else on Edhrek dot com. Just
play like a Yara first of the Lockthwain or whatever
her name is, right, who was also in the top
ten by the way, So how much more original are
you if you're doing that?
Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, at least one way you get a
it's super cool flipovercard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, lots of abs. Half as many abs as
Uncle Branda, that's right. Yeah, he's got like forty.
Speaker 1: That's my abs. That's why my wiener is so big,
because I needed space for the rest of my abs.
Speaker 2: Yes, just just abs the whole way down to the floor.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like a washboard for her pleasure.
Speaker 2: Yah, a long washboard.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's uh, let's see what we got here, demir.
Speaker 1: So if you're watching on YouTube, you see you we'll
get to see on the first slide. And when I say
then and now is Brando tries to draw the guild
symbol from memory on MS paint.
Speaker 2: And Ryan tries to relate it in some way, shape
or form to a butthole.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like last week you were certainly correct.
It did kind of look like a puckered butthole. I
feel like this week it doesn't look as much as
a buttle.
Speaker 2: I find out.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: That's a butthole with blue hemorrhoids, damn it. Or a
crab showing me that's that's a crab showing me it's butthole.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, yep, there it is. Yep,
damn it. Yep.
Speaker 2: Well, fuck, I don't know if it's looking at me
or looking for me. Fuck, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Well you can't see.
Speaker 2: How can it be cross eyed and only have one eye?
What's going on?
Speaker 1: That's artistic talent, that's what that is. You should know
all about that. You're an artist.
Speaker 2: I know nothing.
Speaker 1: Game recognize game, baby.
Speaker 2: Well let's see what the number ten of them? This
is twenty nineteen ehrek dot com. Let's see if game
recognizes game.
Speaker 1: Let's okay, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Number ten, Drown New leech Lord. Do you remember not
even good?
Speaker 1: Do you remember this card?
Speaker 2: Give it a read. It's got nine hundred words too
many for me to read.
Speaker 1: This is a zombie lord three three for demir and three.
If damage would be dealt to Drown New litch Lord,
sacrifice that many permanents instead.
Speaker 2: I'm listening ye.
Speaker 1: And for the record, yes, I have Shiven Meteor to
one of these before. It's really funny. It's really funny.
It has tap target instant or sourcery card in your graveyard,
gains flashback until end of turn. Its flashback costs becomes
equal to its mane cost to play it, so you
can play your spells out of your band by tapping him.
Speaker 2: Instance source reason though my creatures that I sacrificed most
definitely don't gain flashback.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So this is I've seen this deck self mill and
they they it's not Pariah's shield but something that prevents
damage to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you can just self mili yourself than instant and
sorceries back from your graveyard like and it's a zombie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see why.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of incentive to play this card if
you like the graveyard as the second hand and.
Speaker 1: A sweetheart to the picture on this card is cool.
Speaker 2: I think these days this guy would be like a
two four and he'd cost four.
Speaker 1: And he probably wouldn't have that first line of text
on him either. Oh yes, I'll bet you he wouldn't
say that. If this card was printed today, he would
be harder to kill, cheaper to cast, and would not
make you sacrifice your permanence. Everything else would be the.
Speaker 2: Same, and he'd be a universe beyond card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd be a fucking care bear. He'd be beastly
from care bears.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's number ten. I guess we can only
get better from here. Well we hope theoretical.
Speaker 1: You never know. It's Demeir dude, Oh.
Speaker 2: Vella, the Nightcloud. This is a cool card. This, this
card's actually cool. Okay, this four four Human Wizard for
six Jesus intimidate, so she can only be blocked by
black or blue or artifact creatures. Okay, other creatures you
control have intimidate, Sure, sure, because I'm definitely going agro
in my demere deck. Oh all day. It is definitely
going to be a trend that we see, right, all.
Speaker 1: Those one seven's attacking?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, all those all those eight eights for nine Okay.
Whenever Vella, the Nightcloud or another creature you control leaves
the bee, each opponent loses one life.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck does it have intimidate if it's a sack,
you know what I mean? Like, what a weird combination.
Speaker 2: Of obody knows.
Speaker 1: I want my guys to die, so I want to
make them harder to block. That'll fucking fix them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's stupid. Oh okay. The trick with this is
to clone it and then she dies, right, Like, write
a replication this so you get five more and they
all see each other, and then all five of them
all die, and they all see each other, all die,
So all your opponents take thirty six because there's six
of them and only one lives. Yes, fucking cool. One
card combo with a nine man of spell right of replication, right,
eight man and nine man whatever it is, that's the combo.
You know. He taught me that combo. Tell me Dana Roach,
no shit, Yeah, he was already a grown man.
Speaker 1: Playing manolith in every deck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he needs nine man and it cast is right,
a replication. That's the combo with this. Still, I think
it's fine. I think if you like the sepher Off,
if you liked Vella the no Aara, make this your
freaking make it a demere aristocrat's deck and you still
get to aristocrat or another creature you control leaves the battlefield.
So blue allows you to bounce mass bounce, blink.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Black allows you to sacrifice and get back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Black gives you access to all the other aristocrats that
also do this that you can sacrifice and get trigger
trigger trigger, trigger triggered, lose five yep.
Speaker 1: I don't hate that you could play infect because your
dudes are hard to block.
Speaker 2: Oh you could. I was gonna say, is this lose one,
This is lose one life, so this gaining effect wouldn't matter.
But no, if all my guys can has not block.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can dose win.
Speaker 2: I like winning.
Speaker 1: I hate winning.
Speaker 2: I hate life. Yeah, I wish Vella frickin hurt me.
Speaker 1: I think she was clad in my skin.
Speaker 2: Vella the Ryan's skin clad, she'd be see through.
Speaker 1: She might be actually, how would we know?
Speaker 2: Well, look at look at it. You can see space behind.
She's so fucking see through. You can see space miner.
Let's just go to number seven, Ryan, No, this is
number nine. That's what number eight we're going to.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Dragon Lord Silimgar. You know who taught me about this card?
Speaker 1: Tell me Dana Roach.
Speaker 2: Dana Roach. He had a freaking demer Dragon deck. It's
the DdO Podcast of Dana Roach. Geez, fuck man, we
just just we should just quit and Dana can take over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what is this gonna do?
Speaker 2: He's a three five Elder Dragon, so we could play
Elder Dragon Highlander for six flying death touch when he
enters the battlefield, gain control of target creature or planes
walker for as long as you control. Dragon Lord Silomgar.
Speaker 1: Sure, what if you're write a replication this guy? Could
you because all the clones had come in and all
the dudes and then the clones would die, but then
you still have this guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but they referenced themselves. Yeah. Could you
respond to his etb trigger by bounced like blinking him
and then getting another thing, because when the trigger resolves,
he'll still be on the battlefield. Judges, let us know
that one. I feel like that would They're gonna let
us know in the discord. Another benefit to joining the
Patreon is you can tell us when we're wrong and
you'll tag us so you know we have to see
it because it comes up on our phones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't tag me, I won't see it.
Speaker 2: I always tag Brando when I'm tell him he's wrong,
or when we have to do something for a CCIO experience. Yes,
or when there's something really funny that he needs to see.
Speaker 1: Also then yes, all benefits Yes.
Speaker 2: Dragon Lord silomgar Uh, demere Dragons or steal your stuff
dot deck, Yes, I think steal your stuff.
Speaker 1: I think steal your stuff the deck. Yeah. I bet
you we're going to see some of that in the
In the now, I bet you we're gonna see some
fucking mill You think you think we're gonna e mail
and demeir. It has way more tricks up a sleeve than.
Speaker 2: That, Ryan, I you know what trend trend that we've
been noticing. Date stamp on this Silim Gary, I am
not impressed so far.
Speaker 1: Yea, these are three shitty commanders.
Speaker 2: Me, Well, I don't want to give you confirmation bias,
so I don't want I don't want you to say, see,
it's boring.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's boring. I'm saying all these cards so
far suck.
Speaker 2: They they all do the thing that like they say
to do you know what I mean, there's no It
felt like this with Green too. It's like Azusa, Yeah, yeah,
give me something, mind you On the nows the now's
we're going to see that modern design philosophy that I
was talking about last week, where it's like, oh, I
can just play bullshit that I found on the floor
and it's a good deck. So I'm really waiting for
that in these two color decks.
Speaker 1: We assume that's gonna happen. I actually don't remember fuck
all of shit about what's on this.
Speaker 2: List, what's happening?
Speaker 1: So what's happening? So I can neither confirm nor deny
See the next one number?
Speaker 2: This's got to be six, right, se We should have
made producer Gary fricking keep dry.
Speaker 1: We just to make a write him down. I think
we've only talked about three.
Speaker 2: Hey circle, Oh this guy's good. This guy way way
back in the day. This guy was like a freaking
competitive guy.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because when you read the card like,
it doesn't look like it would even be playable, let
alone be a competitive deck. But ok surprise you. I'll
read him and then Ryan will tell you what he does.
Speaker 2: Seven.
Speaker 1: He's a two three for four human wizard. Whenever you
play a blue spell and move the top card of
target library from the game, same with black. Opponents can't
place non land cards with the same nay as cards
removed from the game with him.
Speaker 2: Uh. Okay, So so you live for the day.
Speaker 1: You're playing your friend who's playing relentless rats and you
get a relentless rat.
Speaker 2: Hey all or persistent petitioners. Okay. The main thing here
is I can play Dramatic Reversal isoicronceptor combo where dramatic
reversal two mana instant that says when you cast it,
you untap all permanent you control yes ice conceptor is
exile some two mana instant from your hand, and you
can cast it every turn by tapping and paying two
on ice coronceptor. Yes. So you go like, I don't
know sky diamond and sol ring and you tap your
ice coronceptor to cast your imprinted dramatic reversal and you
untap everything. And because the way icer conceptor is worded,
you're casting a copy of the imprinted card, which happens
to be blue and happens to trigger circu and you
exile a card from target library.
Speaker 1: Yes, what's cruel again?
Speaker 2: What's cool is I can do that to you? Yeah,
one hundred thousand times. And in my example, if I
was netting a Mana every time, I could fucking stroke
a genius somebody else if they had some way to
counter me, cool, I could uh EXI the top card
from target library from the game be my own library,
and I could Laboratory Maniac or thasas Oracle now and win.
Speaker 1: You know what would be interesting to do with this?
If you could put like all the free counter spells
on the top of your own deck and then get
them with circus so that your opponents couldn't cast them.
That'd be cool. That's how you'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna first, I'm gonna brainstorm put three free counter spells,
and then I'm gonna put my own counter spells into
exile and I could freak fuck. That's really good. I
bet you people did that. I bet you that's what
makes this card freaking good. And why don't even think
of that until now?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you, honestly, like, why use a force to
force a force when you could just get rid of
them all and then you don't have to worry about
them fucking ever.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, though, this force is not a
free counter spell.
Speaker 1: Shut up. It's free enough.
Speaker 2: It's free enough, and it should be noted circu human
wizard actually really relevant when you're playing decks that can
just go and find lands and land as cavernous souls
and you name human and coincidentally, every single other creature
in your deck is a human. Yeah, not because you're
playing a human's deck, but just coincidentally, he's just a dude.
Speaker 1: There's a picture of a dude on the car.
Speaker 2: Or you could be like, fuck, I was gonna say,
snapcast mage, but he's a human wizard as well. Yeah,
you could just go snapcast mage, get my thing back.
And also you can't counter my commander, right, Like, there's
so many little things that matter in CEDH. And I'm
gonna say again, and this is CDH from like air
Quotes c edh from before it existed, like in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: I wonder if.
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I don't think that a two card combo
a three card combo if you can include your commander,
I don't think that's good anymore. Dang, it doesn't lock
down the board, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Too many steps, too many steps, too cute, I guess
would be too cute.
Speaker 2: There's too many there's too much easy, cheap, free interaction. Now. Yeah, yeah,
I still think it's fricking Coolah, I.
Speaker 1: Think it's fun. I'm cool. I'm happy that that exists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, number six number sucks. Merkel vosk mind drinker.
This guy looks cool, looks cool. He's a vampire two
four flyer for five demer and three whenever merkle Voss
mind Drinker deals combat damage two player, that player reveals cards,
stop of their library until they reveal four land cards.
Put all that into the graveyard.
Speaker 1: So they get sanity grinding, mind grinding, mine mind funeral,
that's what that car mind.
Speaker 2: They get ground, they get grinded. They get grinded four, Yes,
grind four because mine grind is a card. Right, Yeah, Yeah,
this is good. This is a milk card.
Speaker 1: A milk is another it's a milk card. Hey, good
milk card.
Speaker 2: When are we gonna see grind be a word like
mill is now a word?
Speaker 1: Hopefully soon and I hope that we get credit for
it because we did it. Bills in the Mill, Sanity grinding,
so many cards are fucking good. Yeah, you wouldn't play.
Speaker 2: I would play. I'd play this guy. He just has
to deal damage and they grind however many.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's combat damage. But yeah that's four.
Speaker 2: Well he's a flyer, it's fine. And he's the commander
of your Demere Mill deck. This is fine. Yeah, i'd
play Mine Grind in that deck.
Speaker 1: I would too.
Speaker 2: I would not target the land player because they'll probably
just go land line and land land nice mill for card, right,
Like that's not very good.
Speaker 1: And then you get them the next time and you
get like sixteen. Yeah fuck, I think I.
Speaker 2: Got twenty one off of Mine Grind one time. It's
pretty good. But yeah, Marcrovoss, I don't know. I don't
know what else we gotta say. It's the Demere Mill.
Speaker 1: D it's a milk card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I wonder I we're gonna see any
more of those.
Speaker 1: Probably not. This is just gotta be the end of
the milk cards.
Speaker 2: Oh shyeah, No, it's funny, Una Queen of the Face.
Speaker 1: Oh it's another milk card. So this one is a
five fine for six With flying you can pay demere
Hybrid and X choose a color target opponent exiles that
many cards off the top of the library. For every
card of the color you picked, you make a one
to one flying black and Blue Rogue Fairy Creature token.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a card back in the day again
two thousand and Man, when did commander cookouts start? This
is like in twenty sixteen or seventeen. I think I
got to see.
Speaker 1: I look down at my shirt to see these. Twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I think twenty seventeen is what the shirt says. Yeah,
but this was one back in the day where people
would play Paradox Engine, right yep, and they would just
make infinite manna and then just do infinite exile the
top card of your library, and if anybody lived, they're
just like, I don't know, I got three hundred blockers.
Now if I live, I'm just going to attack everybody
for three hundred yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's a fairy
and it's a wizard and it's got cool art. Everybody
likes Una. Yeah, I like too.
Speaker 1: I had an inder deck like back in the day,
I built one. Mine wasn't a mill deck though it was.
It was rogues.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you should build it again. Rogues are way
better than they used to be.
Speaker 1: That is true, That is very true. But Una isn't
as good as she used to because everybody nobody plays
mono color anymore, really, at least where we play, well,
she not monocolor, but well no, but that's the that's
where her ability is the best. More colors.
Speaker 2: Your opponents are playing the less ferries for each card
that shows the color move this way. Yes, you're right,
you're right, you're right. You know what, there's something romantic
about running into or playing a monocolored deck. I really
do appreciate that. It's so rich in what it's trying
to do. It's not being pulled in two different directions
saying it does this and this or tertiarily it does
kind of freaking this. Right, if you play a green deck,
you know what's gonna happen. You're getting you're getting your
dink stepped on, or there's like trees everywhere.
Speaker 1: Also, yes, or we'll do both of those things.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're playing like a white deck, you know, yeah, right,
you're playing a blue deck. You know, somebody's gonna go
well actually they so rich scum. Yeah, the next It's remarkable,
actually how many of these cards I've I've done altered
art on and love the color scheme, vella, love that alter.
I think I actually did one for Danna roach Una.
Really like, I've done a circu demure lobotomist and and
I was like, what the fuck's going on in this
art here, I'll go back to it. What the fuck's
going on in this art? So like I took it
into a photoshop or whatever and turned down the contrast
and the and turned or turned up the contrast and
turned up the brightness. He's standing in like a torture
room and there's like a ladder to get out of
there and stuff. There's lots of cool stuff in a
lot of this art.
Speaker 1: He's lobotomizing people. Man like he's a bad guy.
Speaker 2: He's a sickle rubs the lotion on its brain or
else it gets the spike up the nose again, Yeah,
et cetera.
Speaker 1: And that goes in the eye. Yeah, or whatever goes
in next year?
Speaker 2: What are we on number four? Number four? Baby?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 2: Another another mail card, another mail card fax.
Speaker 1: God of Deception is a force indestructible Thierros God for
demir and three. As long as your devotion to blue
or black is less than seven, it's not a dude.
It has creatures you control, have target, have tap target
player mills equal to toughness of creature.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: So he'll millia for seven. The walls that are in
this deck will mill you for somewhere between four and twelve. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You just got to put the thickest daddies and the
thickest mama's in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tree of Perdition, Yeah, mill thirteen.
Speaker 2: I love thirteen.
Speaker 1: And then you play brute clad or not ruder clouds ruvak.
Speaker 2: Yeah you do.
Speaker 1: You're milling and you're playing mill.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I uh, I've contemplated or milling this guy
building this guy lots as a petitioner deck. Of course
I have, because they do three mill for two mana.
You can do it over and over and over until
you have enough of them where they're just like twelve
twelve twelve twelve mm hm, but good. Actually, I think
you gotta what are you gotta do? Tap four of
them to mill twelve the same, it's the fucking same,
the same results. Yeah, so you don't you don't gain anything.
But if they that means if they kill one, yeah,
you still can do nine. Like you're not you're not
missing getting a discount.
Speaker 1: There, you're not going from twelve to three. Yeah, going
from twelve to nine.
Speaker 2: And I've I've played against Phoenax like El Drozy Decks.
It's like, oh, there's no walls. I'll just I'll just
mill you for fucking fourteen and if you kill my commander,
I'll just hit you for fourteen.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll mill you for fourteen, and I'll hit you
for eleven. Annihilator seventeen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was fucking great. He goes. It's like,
hmm okay, pre combat, Yeah, mill you fourteen, right, bounce
Phoenax hit you twenty eight. It's like, oh, he fuck?
Speaker 1: Why you gotta bounce Fax to bounce them creatures?
Speaker 2: You control have? Oh because you only have to tap
yeah yeah, yeah, on tap them and get in there. Baby,
I guess you can just untap mill. That's even better
because you can only have to mill one guy. You
can attack everybody else phoenax El drawsy Yeah, take that
one to the bank. Did not win that game.
Speaker 1: You know what'd be good in this deck? Intruder alarm?
Have you ever heard of that card? Yeah, it's I
think maybe maybe it might be good. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: Did you know what combos with lots of stuff?
Speaker 1: I mean, like maybe you could. I could see it
being a pretty.
Speaker 2: Good intruder alarm? Really good with una if you have
manadorks that's right, yes, very good, Yes, very good. This
is the number three commander of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Probably let's see what the next one is, which is
another mill guy? I don't know, Maybe it's not another
milk guy. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's just
let's just check.
Speaker 2: It isn't it isn't.
Speaker 1: Okay, what does this one do? Lesov the multifarious?
Speaker 2: You've built this, haven't you? No?
Speaker 1: One? Three? Four two enters Battlefield Surveil one. Okay. Tap
X becomes copy target creature in Graveyard with converted man
acost X, except its name stays the same and it's legendary.
In addition to his other times Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he becomes a copy of a dead thing. How
would those.
Speaker 1: Things become dead if you mild them?
Speaker 2: Fucking mill them?
Speaker 1: Yep, of course it's only your stuff.
Speaker 2: Mail Is mill Is mill Is, mill Is mill.
Speaker 1: It's the truth. Yeah, so another mill deck sort of.
Speaker 2: I would put big dumb idiots in this deck, I
would put I would put my big black idiot demons.
I would put Leviathan. Hell yeah, consecrated sphinx. You get
around the entrance battlefield tapped with Leviathan. If he just
turns into Leviathan.
Speaker 1: That's true, you slept a sack two islands. If you
attack though.
Speaker 2: Cool, Maybe maybe my islands are creatures and I can
turn him into an island, then he'd be a man
of dorc.
Speaker 1: Get You know what what you could do is you
could attack with him, and then once he's already attacking,
then you turn him into a Leviathan hell roller, and
then you hit him for ten and then after combat
you turn him into not a Leviathan. Yes, so that
during your turn he'll untap without having to sack island.
Speaker 2: You turn him into an intruder. Alarm this, this guy's
sneaky good because there's what you just said tricks that
that you do. It's like, Okay, he's gonna be this
and get this attack trigger.
Speaker 1: He'll be unblockable when I attack, Yes, and then he's
gonna be fucking giant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that he hits you, and then there's the
host combat. I'm gonna do something so you can't attack me,
or or something right like, and I don't know what
all those things are. I I know somebody. I think
I think Fugoff made this guy when he came out.
This is a return to Ravnika spell or something right
or gate crash or.
Speaker 1: I can't see that.
Speaker 2: No, this is twenty eighteen. This was there was there
was War of the Spark, Ravnica allegiance and was it
just those two? I think this is Ravnica allegiance. I
date stamp card. That's the only reason I know it's
from twenty eighteen. Yes, this date stamp number two.
Speaker 1: Date stamp as hell, let's see the next one.
Speaker 2: This guy's cool, he's pretty neat.
Speaker 1: It is a cool card.
Speaker 2: I would build this one, but I don't think it's
a I don't think it's like. I don't think I
could take this to Vegas because I wouldn't be sober
enough to remember all the tricks. I need something that's tricksy,
but for a different reason, just because you think I'm lying,
but I'm telling the truth, or or vice versa.
Speaker 1: At least with this guy, you can always see what
he's gonna do. It's like you could just look in
there bin and see what he's gonna do.
Speaker 2: No, no, you can't, because I attack, and you think
one thing, and then I instant speed mill myself. Oh yeah,
I guess, and then I say, fuck you.
Speaker 1: Well, then you don't know what she's gonna do either.
Speaker 2: That's why I can surveil or scry just once, or
soothe saying, or brainstorm or do all that blue jerk
off shit that lets me fucking know.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: I could have no other creatures in my deck. No,
that doesn't work, a mad phantasm, and stack my whole deck.
I could go fucking Proteus staff and whatever commos with
Protias staff and stack my whole deck. You can do
all that blue bullshit.
Speaker 1: This is demere baby, I guess.
Speaker 2: Get your shit together, uncle Brando. She never played Blue
Black before. We fucking cheat? You think Blue cheats fucking
Blue Black? Yeah, they're the blackest guys, the baddest guys.
Speaker 1: I took my h what do you calls it, my
demere deck apart.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh, you have a conscience.
Speaker 1: No, people just hated it so much that I took
it apart.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, also true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if we're going to see that commander
in the top ten of Now.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, what are we on number one? Let's do
a recap go all the way mo ask.
Speaker 1: Back, okay, and I'll use my fingers on this one.
Speaker 2: Then crab Butthole Yes, Browner leech lord maam Vella. Sure,
I like this one at Vella at nine Dragon Lard
Silomgar at eight yep circle demere le bottomis. I like
this guy at seven mercer Voss. I like this guy.
Speaker 1: Six Una fuck her, I like that one.
Speaker 2: I like yeah, just good art. Four is Phoenix, God
of deception. I probably would play this.
Speaker 1: Card, probably would just come back.
Speaker 2: Two is the Lasov right three, Three is Lasov.
Speaker 1: Number two, the.
Speaker 2: Scare of God, the scare of God. Stamper. The scare
of God is another God.
Speaker 1: Five five for five God. Beginning of each up keep,
each opponent loses x life and you scry x where
x is the number of zombies you control. You can
pay four xile three xl target creature from a bin
and create a copy of it that is a four
to four black zombie and then it has like the
Aman cat god yeah gimmick where if it dies you'd
put it back in your hand at the end step.
Speaker 2: This card.
Speaker 1: Is so good.
Speaker 2: Yes, this card is good as good. Yes five five
for five lose life scry x number of zombies you control,
like what, and then.
Speaker 1: It makes zombies.
Speaker 2: You know what's better than having five zombies is you
losing five because I have five zombies. But you know
what's even better than that? To tell me scrying five?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like.
Speaker 2: The fucking best.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: And all three of those things are written in one
sentence on this card before it has two more abilities.
Speaker 1: Before it has anything else going on for it. It's
a good card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Excel a card from a graveyard.
Speaker 1: So while you're milling some other fucker, you can get
their shit, you can steal all their ship.
Speaker 2: Yeahurnam this card very good, very good. The only thing
that would make this card better if that scry said surveil,
but that technology didn't exist yet. Right, yes, yeah, Surveil
would have made this better because I could freaking them
and then make them into four fours. This card is
so good if I was going to build a demere
zombie deck sca. God. I know that I know that
the number one is gonna I know that the number
one of now. I'm making a prediction, Okay, I I
know that the number one of now is going to
be better than this one as a zombie commander. But
I like this one better because I like scrying.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: And I don't remember what you're that card is printed in,
so I'm not sure it's the number one of that
then okay, all right, this is number two.
Speaker 1: Okay, just remember what card you thought?
Speaker 2: I'll remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember shit. Number one back your ego, of
course it's your ego.
Speaker 2: Ah, I did I forgot about this card?
Speaker 1: You never forget you. She's a game changer. Oh yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: We'll be seeing her again, of course we will.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not gonna be in the number one slot, though,
I know who's in the number one slot.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a prediction. Okay, she's a she's a
human ninja. She's a one to three for three has
Commander ninjitsus with you a fucking stupid thing. Fuck that,
so you attack with in demerror. You can attack with
a creature that isn't that that doesn't get blocked. Then
you can just pay two to have her come into
fucking play. Whenever a ninja you control those combat damage
to a player revealed the top card of your library
and put it into your hand. Each opponent loses life
equal to that card's converted man a cost, and the
card is always an extra turn spell or something that
costs god damn eleven. And then you blow everybody's asshole
out and they go, oh, my bot hole, and then
you go, ah, I play your course.
Speaker 2: Some people say, oh that feels good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking shaming in the nation. But at least it's
not a mill.
Speaker 2: Deck, it, you know what I at least it's not
a mill deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Everything else could have been a mill deck, not
this one.
Speaker 2: I have not played against Eureko Turns. I've never played
against that deck.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've played against Eureko Dark Steel Forge, Eureko El Drawsy,
Eureko mind Slavery. I've played against Eureka one drops no shit,
Eureko one drops and the guy bricks that got like
land three times or something. D He never never revealed
good because it was like a budget Erko deck. Sure,
he got up Sense's Divining Top one time. I was like,
oh cool. He's like, yeah, now I can put other
one drops on top of my deck like Sense's Divining
Top every turn.
Speaker 1: I forget who it was locally here, But he played
time stretch in the deck because it costs ten. Yeah,
but he never played it like he drawed. He'd show
it to us everybody to take ten, and then he'd
immediately like brainstorm it back to the top of his
library and then the next or ah, it's that fucking
time stretch again, and then he'd do it again.
Speaker 2: Dude, I think that's the strategy. Actually, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was quite good. Actually, he's always gonna play. No,
he's not. It's not there to play, it's there to
do fucking ten.
Speaker 2: You know what I like better than that time stretch
and then like deja vu or something that gets it
back into your hand and you put it on top again.
Speaker 1: Or to put it back on the top of your
library or whatever. Yeah, to be pretty good too.
Speaker 2: And we're demonstrating why this card's good. Yes, I think
people know.
Speaker 1: I think people might have an idea that Urico pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would encourage people to play Euroco one.
Speaker 1: Drops or two drops.
Speaker 2: Fucking fuck.
Speaker 1: Pick any number that's below seven.
Speaker 2: Pig zero, pig zero if you're playing against your good
friend Ryan.
Speaker 1: Oh, that would actually, that would actually be pretty funny,
except you don't tell anybody it's Euroco zero drops. Just
pretend you're really unlucky.
Speaker 2: Is what you tell him. That's what you tell him.
It's not that Euricho dec that's what you tell them. Yeah,
you shit him with the new John Travolta meme, with
the fucking stupid beard. He's gout. It's not that your
Eco deck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fuck it. Let's see what the next. Let's
see what the now is.
Speaker 2: This is the now.
Speaker 1: Ooh see I inverted the colors on.
Speaker 2: You've inverted the butthole. Do not google that, no.
Speaker 1: W Let's let's just see that. This is the number
ten rinds number ten. Yeah, let's just pretend we.
Speaker 2: Didn't say that. We're going right into the hole.
Speaker 1: One, right into the thing. We're putting it back in umbreast.
Speaker 2: I like this. I like this card. I wish I
built it. I wish it was a deck that I played.
I wish that I played this card and one games
with this deck. This is a one one for five.
Holy shit, good already gets plus one plus one for
each card your opponent's own in exile. That sounds like
some modern day bullshit. Yeah, that's like really something I
have to keep track of.
Speaker 1: Yes, your opponents.
Speaker 2: Own in exile, that's like all of them?
Speaker 1: Well, when you're done milling them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if I'm playing the hundred person Battle Royal
and Magic on Vegas. This guy's just like a trillion power. Okay.
Whenever Umbrus or another nightmare or horror you control enters
target opponent exiles cards from the top of their library
until they exile. A land card they grind one, so
it grind one exiles. Yes, that's okay, he's a nightmare horror.
Can we just infinite blink them and mill them to death?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I don't hate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah I could certainly do that. Yes, I don't hate
And the art on the screen, which you're you'd see
if you're watching on YouTube, what should is a ferbie?
So technically, technically universes beyond. But it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not actually it's yes, yes, it's not. This was
Ferbie the thing this was from Oh shit, I don't know, man,
this is Dan D card.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: If you pick the fucking regular art. We know.
Speaker 1: I never picked the regular art for the now I
have to pick the crazy ass shit.
Speaker 2: This is crazy ass shit. This is not a universe's
beyond card because even if it is a D and
D card, we don't count D and D as universes beyond.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, for the record, Yes, anybody who's tuning in to
Commander Cookout at episode five and forty two for the
first time, welcome and you for being here. Yes, okay.
Number nine.
Speaker 3: John Gerenicus, John Irenicas shattered one or is I like
to call him shittered one? Yeah, I like to call
him John Erection shittered one, John e reck Shirt get
shipped on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, k in the nation.
Speaker 2: This is a This is a demere Elf.
Speaker 1: Elf Wizard three three for four beginning of end Step
Target Opponent the fuck games. Control of up to one
target creature. You control, put to plus one plus one,
counters on it, and tap it. It's goaded. For the
rest of the game and it gains this creature can't
be sacrificed. Whenever creature you own but don't control the
tax you draw a card.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like everything about this card.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: This is this is steal your stuff? Yes? What the opposite? Yes,
it's just play the worst creatures you can possibly think of.
Give them away. Hey, I got this really good deal
for you. Don't ever attack me because the rules say
you can't. Okay, if you're in the discord, send me
this deck, send me this deck. I'm in the mood
to build a demere deck. I just took apart my
demure extra turns. Orvo the octopus deck? No, not Orvo
the octopus. What's his name?
Speaker 1: Them?
Speaker 2: No? No, what's the octopus? Guy that clashes? That deck's
fucking fun?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to build this guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to build this guy.
Speaker 2: Commander can go to gmail dot com, YouTube comments, or
in the discord send me this guy because I want
to play just the worst creatures like can't be sacrificed,
cumid of up keep fucking pay life. Give me that ship,
cumid up keep sacrifice your fricking permanence? What else?
Speaker 1: Just card cards.
Speaker 2: Uh, each up keep you take five, Like, just give
me the worst shit.
Speaker 1: Bronze bombshell. Once they get it, they just sacker and
you know she can't they can't can't sacrifice. You can't
sacrifice her, so that doesn't even blow up and do
seven to her. I still give I'd still give them
bronze bombshell. Fuck it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me this deck. I'm very interested, Yes i am.
Speaker 1: I Actually other people are too, And.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who like to play a
lot of trash. Yeah, not just in the nation, very
obviously because this comes from dhre dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like the whole Earth doing this crap.
Let's see another one.
Speaker 2: The whole Earth loves my shit. Yeah yeah, no more accurately.
I love the Whole Earth's ship.
Speaker 1: Copophelia. I think it's what that's called.
Speaker 2: Right, loving poop. Yeah, Copophelia. I want a Copophelia on
my wife tonight.
Speaker 1: Oh me, we weird.
Speaker 2: We want coppa feel not not not not butt stuff.
Speaker 1: She's not into that.
Speaker 2: No, not not into butt stuff in my house. No
kink shaming in the nation, and no anti kink shaming. Yeah,
it's too bad because I would shame her into doing.
Speaker 1: Butt stuff, but now you can't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No kink shaming and anti kink shaming same thing.
Speaker 1: Right, yea essentially yeah, they just Yeah, it's like a
saloon door swings both ways. Let's see the next one.
Speaker 2: You heard me, you heard me, Rand the Relentless. Yeah,
this is the newest card on the list so far.
This is from Bloomborough.
Speaker 1: Yes it is. I think it's the new I don't
want to say de facto, but it's like the new command.
Speaker 2: Because it gives you blue. Yeah, rat lords. Rat commanders
have never given.
Speaker 1: You blue before, yes, but now they do. It's a
three four for four rat rogue ward two because why
the fuck not?
Speaker 2: Because everything has ward two.
Speaker 1: Now, if a creature and opponent controls would eat shit,
you exile it instead. At the beginning of each end step,
you make x one one black rat creature tokens with
this creature gets plus one plus one for each other
rat you control, Where x is the number of creatures
your opponents controlled that were exiled.
Speaker 2: This turn what that's like relentless rats, but like exile
and your guys get bigger. Yeah, it's kind of relentless rats.
Speaker 1: It's like lay line of the Void sort of with
relentless rats sort of, and it all.
Speaker 2: But just for this turn.
Speaker 1: It all triggers on you killing your opponent's shit.
Speaker 2: That sounds very demeir yes, as in, I don't understand it,
and it's a bunch of bullshit and it's rats and
it's kind of like exile.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even say mill anywhere on it, so well.
Speaker 2: We could be creative. This is a milk card. It's
very obviously a milk card. Brando. I. Yes, probably you
play your stuff and I kill it and it goes
to exile. It's kind of like mill because you had
to play. It's that's how it works. Uh. Sure, this
is a rat commander. I can see why it would
be in a top ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people like relentless rats and this is a good
relentless rats commander or a rat colony or whatever.
Speaker 2: That one doubles the colors that you can play. Yeah,
and gives you, in my estimation, access to a pretty
good color and commander that rats don't usually get because
they're usually mono green.
Speaker 1: No blue, Oh that's fine too, yeah, yeah, blue blue
pretty good, it's fine.
Speaker 2: I think blue is a good support color, don't you. Yeah,
it like just makes your strategy just happen more.
Speaker 1: I guess, so, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You just put ponder, preordain and brainstorm and what's the
other one, the one that surveills draws a card consider
sure foresight. Just put all those in a deck. Your
deck's probably better, yeah, probably, hey, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alongside the forty eight rats who play and away
you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mixing like eight or nine free counter spells, your
deck's probably better. Cyclonic rift and consecrated Sphinx is kind
of like a rat, but bigger and with wings that says,
draw two cards on it every fucking turn.
Speaker 1: Sphinxes are pretty as far from rats as you can get.
Their cats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's yeah, there's still furry, four legged mammals
with tails and.
Speaker 1: I guess they've claws too, and teeth or sharp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty much just rats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, point point.
Speaker 2: Consecrated Sphinx would be good in this deck.
Speaker 1: Constant pace rats constipated, okay, relentlessly constipated.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's nothing that you've ever had.
Speaker 1: I've never had to worry about that.
Speaker 2: You ever constipated taco bell? Correct, What the hell the
Scare of God again. Yeah, the scaab God again.
Speaker 1: Yes, went from two to number one. Six.
Speaker 2: Ooh this everything I said about this card is still true.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's still true. This is seven seven, except now
this one has a sweeter art in the invocation frame seven,
so you can just tell people it is whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Nine ten.
Speaker 1: If you get tired of playing the Scab of God,
you can just say that it's something else.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I thought we did one more scarab God. Relatively,
I think has gotten worse because other things.
Speaker 1: Are better than it.
Speaker 2: Things have gotten better over time, but the Scare of
God as an absolute value has gotten better because there's
more zombies than there.
Speaker 1: Used to be.
Speaker 2: I still want to build a ship out of this car?
Do you have this version, the invocation version? I do. Oh,
it'd be funny. It'd be funny if if you just
if you dropped it and said, oh, I dropped some
stuff that I don't need.
Speaker 1: Anymore, and what was this paper that I have over here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you do the thing from bevery the Hills
cup too.
Speaker 1: If I had something in this hand, like three hundred dollars, yeah,
exactly in his hand, he's like literally taking a bribe. Yes, man,
the future was then Hey, yeah, I love the future.
It's like they saw it coming or something. Yeah, that's more.
I like.
Speaker 2: The Lord of the naz Gul is a four to
three wraith. Noble, get us those you send us in
those noble decks. There's lots of nobles, now, isn't there.
I think it just makes the noble guy deck. It'd
be freaking what's his face? The five colored white guy? Now,
fuck that guy. We're making nobles. We're gonna we're gonna
have an honorary commander who's Lord of Tresserhorn should have
been noble because he's a lord. And we're just gonna
make the pompest deck. We're just gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like we're we're soon better than you count your spell
unless you pay the one.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the Lord of the Nasuga is gonna say,
no woman can.
Speaker 1: Kill me and no man can kill me.
Speaker 2: No man. Whatever I said, what I said?
Speaker 1: What if a guy stabbed him in the face, he'd
just be like cool, bro? Would it'd be like, yeah, sweet,
your estrogen count is too low for that sword to
hurt my face?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is that what would happen?
Speaker 2: I think so huh. It's kind of a hand waving moment.
If that happened, he'd just be like, yeah, he's fine, huh,
he's okay, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Maybe when men stab him in the face, there's nothing
under that the hood or what.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's into that. Maybe maybe it happens all the time.
That's maybe that's how he knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, dude was trying.
Speaker 2: To kill him all the time, and he's like, he's
a four to three noble wraith for Demirin. Three with
flying rates you control have protection from ring bearers. Sure,
super relevant, especially in Commander when there's twenty thousand creatures,
zero of which are ring bearers. That's funny because it's
true whenever you cast an instant or sorcery create a
three three black Raith creature token with menace, then if
you control nine or more rates rates you control have
base power and toughness nine nine. Whereas the Germans say, uh.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, that's fine, I guess I.
Speaker 2: Want to cast an infinite number of instants and sorceries
like with dramatic Reversal and ice as I demonstrated prior,
and just have infinite nine nines and then play.
Speaker 1: U only nine nines TOI end of turn, so they
go back to being three threes on on on your
opponents turn.
Speaker 2: Two things, okay, wait you can't see there. Two things.
First things, I wasn't done. We're playing Al Darazzi Monument.
Everything gains haste.
Speaker 1: That's flying Chromos mortals.
Speaker 2: We're playing a Chromos memorial. Everything gains haste. Second thing,
if I have infinite three threes, it's the same as
having infinite nine nines.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: This card is fucking cool. Yes, And I could cheat
because I'm playing Demeror and just put all the nasgul
in my deck and I just jumpstart by saying I
got nine nasgoul. I only need to play like a
couple instants in sorceries and boom.
Speaker 1: Nine guys. Nine guys. Don't google it, you can google
five guys. You just got a overpriced burger. It doesn't
taste for.
Speaker 2: They use fresh Jilipinos on their burgers.
Speaker 1: Though they have fresh D's nuts on their burger. Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 2: I want the nasoles freaking nuts on my burger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet you they're real dusty, like these guys.
Speaker 2: Are dusty nuts. Yeah? Is that that's what be your
born name. That's her one thousand.
Speaker 1: Yes, ah, yeah, you may google that if you wish
dusty nuts.
Speaker 2: Dusty.
Speaker 1: Dusty nuts and dust these nuts y. Yep, man, we
could go way down the rabbit hole about like how
like to get the dust onto the nuts. You gotta
be doing like granny stuff because yes, we got it.
Let's just move on to the next card before we freaking.
Speaker 2: Go granny stuff. Here we are.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we've ended up here again, Ryan, So
it took us this long to return to it?
Speaker 2: So two umizawa?
Speaker 1: Sure, is this the one that makes your shit?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: This is the sneak al drawsy guy into into play guy.
Speaker 2: Wait this one too? Yeah, okay, Human Ninja black blue one.
Whenever you activate a ninjitsu ability, look at the top
three cards of your library, put one of them into
your hand and the rest on the bottom of your
library in any order. Disability triggers only once each turn. Okay,
each creature card in your hand has ninjitsu. Yes. Oh
oh so my blight steel that's right, my ula mug
also correct, my tulamug yes, ulamug true, yes, coslek absolutely
emer twol Yes because emmera emer one. You can't MB two.
Speaker 1: Though, that's correct, Member two you can. Yes, do you
attack with your little one one blockable guy that costs
one and then you pay four and you kill somebody
the bliicoclosses. That's what this deck does. Or I used
to play it in my attracts a deck, So I'd
attack with like a shitty Man a doorc or whatever. Yeah,
I'd attack with my Bird of Paradise and then I'd
put Jinka taxes into play.
Speaker 2: Oh. No, I could put my Dark Steel into play
and then say before damage tainted strike yeah, which basically
makes it into a blight steal.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can see why people would want to play this. Yes,
this this is a deck very sneaky, sneaky sneak. I
don't know if it's sneaky.
Speaker 1: I think, well everybody sees it coming, but like you
never know how it's gonna get you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Get you or get you with what That's what we're saying.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get you with an annihilator and you're gonna scoop,
or it's gonna get you within fact.
Speaker 1: Well, it's they have to already attack. They're not gonna
get Annihilator the first time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, the first time. Yeah, the first time.
Hey what if I time warped, well, then then they'd
probably scoop you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've got to turn three or four. I
glosses uhla mog nulamg to ulamg, like whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2: I would advise people to exercise caution with this card. Yeah,
for the reasons that we've outlined. Also, and we talk
about this somewhat frequently. Once you've done the thing, how
many more times can you do the thing before people
don't find it fun and don't want to play against
the deck anymore. They change decks and it becomes an
arms race, or they don't want to play against you,
or they say, hey, play something else, and then this
just becomes a deck that you're like, oh, this is
my everything else drowsy deck. It's all foiled out, this
is my pet deck that you never play and that,
and I honestly it's kind of sad.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that this does exist in that mode where
it's somebody's pet deck and it's all foiled and pimped
out and really cool. This strikes me as one of
those decks like I took it out of a because
I didn't. I did it once and now it's like, okay,
what I mean? Yeah, like I don't want to do this.
I don't want to do it anymore. I don't care
what they think.
Speaker 2: So you do have a conscience.
Speaker 1: I guess you don't like demeor. I just got bored
of it. I was like, I'm oh, I'm done with
this now. There it is right, I'm done with this now.
I didn't think I don't want to do it anymore.
Speaker 2: I've done it. It's boring. Yeah, it does the same
thing every time. It does an expected value every time.
And I don't just expect it to do it my friends. Yeah,
and fuck next level strangers expect it to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and good luck trying to explain, trying to convince somebody,
Oh no, no, no, no, this blinks my unblockable guy
and puts it what, Like, what the fuck would you
even put in there? Like another unblockable guy like what
do you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you do when?
Speaker 2: At that point, Yeah, I'm just trying to stay alive
stax piece. Yeah, the only reason going back to a
couple of cards ago and we were talking about Eureiko
and the Wow one CMC Eureko deck I played against. Yeah,
I would have never believed that guy never ever a
million ended up. He's a patron and he used a
fucking Cicio nationally, and so I was like, Okay, cool
I game recognize his game, right, I like, I get it.
That's the only reason I played against that deck because
I knew he's gonna trounce me if it was a
real Eureko deck and I was playing a not real
piece of trash whatever the.
Speaker 1: Fuck, I was playing a pilot garbage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, this quite a powerful card. Cool art does
the thing that Ninja's do. Feels Eureko esque, Like I
could see them being interchangeable in their ninety nine's and
in their command zones.
Speaker 1: If they were commander cards, they'd probably be in the
same deck.
Speaker 2: They are commander cards, no, I mean, like from commander decks,
well like precons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were from pre cons, they would probably be in.
Speaker 2: The same Oh like main dude and backup dude. Yeah
yeah yeah, main chick, backup dude, yes, vice versa.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like it that way, Main chick, backup dude. Don't
google that. Nope, google away, I have a main chick.
No backup dude.
Speaker 1: Why you're the backup dude. You're backing up your main chick.
That's how it works.
Speaker 2: Oh that's thought. I was backing up myself.
Speaker 1: No, that's like a good it's like good relationship. Shit. No,
I have a main one and then the other one
supports them, or you're both the main one and you
support each other. Either way, it's good relationship stuff. Got
to support each other.
Speaker 2: What are you doing different things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about some kind of pornog and I'm
talking about how you live a fulfilling life with somebody. Fuck.
Let's just see the next card. Next card, Yeah, Alena
Cunning Conqueror.
Speaker 2: Oh I played against this from Alan from Miss Mental
Misplay one time. Really yeah, before it even came out.
What yeah he had a proxy. Oh and huh I
like this card. Okay, So Elena Cunning Conqueror two four
fairy Warlock demir in two flyer. When you cast your
first spell during each opponent's stern, create a one one
black fairy rogue creature Tobe with flying right. Okay, it
rewards me for playing instance, being smart countering your shit
removing each player's turn draw go. I already like this.
This is the kind of magic I like.
Speaker 1: And playing creatures with flash Oh, I love flashers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Flashing's my favorite. Okay, whenever one or more fairies
you control deal combat damage to a player gold target
creature that player controls. Sure, this is not the card
I played against Allen with me, I thought it was
a different card. Uh.
Speaker 1: As a Gold player, I can tell you right now
everybody hates this deck more than anything oh anywhere ever,
and mine was rack dose. I can't imagine playing a
gold deck that's got fucking blue in it.
Speaker 2: This is interesting. This is an interesting trend. The higher
we go, or closer to one we get of the now,
the more people fucking hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah whoa And I don't know for sure if people
hate this, but based on my experience playing a deck
that says, goad on it.
Speaker 2: Yet, you're taking away people's agency, You're taking away people's
decision making ability, You're taking away people's thoughtfulness and creativity
when they build their deck, and they're saying you can't
do the thing that you would in most cases like
to do the most. Because I'm taking away your options.
Speaker 1: I took a part my god deck after I played
a game against two agro decks low to the ground,
agro decks that want to attack all the time, and
they kept killing my commander because they didn't want their
attack deck to attack. But you know what they were
doing every turn, attacking.
Speaker 2: But not who they wanted.
Speaker 1: They weren't attacking me.
Speaker 2: Maybe they wanted to, they didn't. So here's the thing,
here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Fuck it dumb.
Speaker 2: We just talked about back and backing each other up right. Yeah,
I'm my main dude. Yeah me off, But I trust
you to jerk me off because you have great experience
not only in jerking off but in building commander decks.
It's got weird a little bit. But if you say
gold is a thing that people hate, hate it, and
we're getting closer to number one, and we're we're we're
going up the fucking hate scale, the assault scale, as
they say on edh rec and arcnnect dot com. Uh,
I would advise caution when playing demir or be creative.
Don't necessarily do the thing that it's immediately telling you
to do. Be creative, go outside the box, try to
find things that aren't on Edhrek dot com on this
guy this girl's page. I'm I'm already recognizing a very
stark difference between Azorious and Demir. It's telling us what
to do, and the thing that it's telling us to
do is miserable. Is this miserable thing that is either controlling,
stifling or very high brow? Because I'm obviously smarter than you, right,
playing on other people's turns, getting that value, that block,
playing this long game, allowing your opponent's opportunity to make mistake,
taking away agency.
Speaker 1: At least it's not a mill deck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not as many mill decks. Yeah, in the top
ten of now Yeah, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: That's something. Where are we now?
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of bullshit, is what it is?
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly Gary number four, top three?
Speaker 1: Baby?
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be Eureko? Or is she gonna be
number two?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I honestly don't know. Oh, Captain de Grath,
Captain Negathrod, this is the uh f you Alex Special?
Speaker 2: Yes, I will, I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start the
whole Negathrod conversation by saying, I think we were scrutinized
on YouTube more than anything else by saying Captain Negathrod
is the most powerful pre con of all time. I
think that's the number one criticism that people have had
of our magic, the gathering take, related takes or analysis.
Speaker 1: Well, it's okay.
Speaker 2: They can stand by it.
Speaker 1: Ye well yeah, yeah, you still think this is the.
Speaker 2: Best precon ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I know that this comment this show is
gonna get lots of comments.
Speaker 1: I do, I don't. I think it is okay.
Speaker 2: So it's a Captain of Gathrod. This is reskinned as
Eddie from Iron Iron Maiden. He's Demir in three Horror
Pirates three six Horrors. You control have menace. Whenever a
horror you control deal's combat damage to a player, that
player here comes mills that many cards. I wouldn't call
this a mill deck though, no, Nolcy, it's a horror deck.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: At the be at the beginning of your end step,
choose target artifact or creature card in your opponent's graveyard
that was put there from their library. This turn, put
it onto the battlefield under your control.
Speaker 1: Its mill and it's steel and fuck. Horror is not
as hard to get as you think.
Speaker 2: No, And there's a lot of weird JANKI bullshit cards
that go in this deck, which I super appreciate.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what a card called hunted Horror. Yes,
it's a seven to seven trampler for fucking two.
Speaker 2: I'm listening for two.
Speaker 1: And one of your opponents gets two three threes that
have pro black yep, but fuck that guy. You're gonna
hit this guy over here that doesn't have any dudes. Yes,
well it only has one dudes. We can't block your
menacing seven to seven. You're gonna mill him for seven
and get his dudes.
Speaker 2: Hit the opponent get that gets your two three threes,
are gonna hit you for three, and you're gonna block
one and kill it because you have a three six
commander exactly. They're not gonna try that bullshit again.
Speaker 1: Now he's black. The Centaurs can get in because don't
pro black.
Speaker 2: Don't care. I'll just make a blue horror because they
have those two.
Speaker 1: Well fuck that, I'll just steal some of their ship
and put it in play block with that dude.
Speaker 2: This next cool. And when this pre con came out,
they reprinted a bunch of shit in it that was like, huh,
what does that do? The card's good. Now, Yeah, what's
going on with that? There was just a bunch of
stuff that I that I appreciate from a I've I
know this card is but nobody plays it, or this
was draft chaff or oh that is a horror no way.
It's funny that everything has two creature types now.
Speaker 1: And it's not that it's like nothing, but like horrors
are getting printed a fairly decent clip now, like you
see him pop up fairly often, so it gets lots
of support. You can put lots of crazy shit, inn't it.
And it lets you mail and steal your opponent's stuff.
Speaker 2: I would advise caution because milling and stealing are two
things that people don't like. Yes, and everybody knows my
thoughts about milling. Yeah, it's just random. It might have
been on the bottom of your library, et cetera. Yep,
everybody knows Brando's thoughts about stealing.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite.
Speaker 2: A just question, Malisha, Absolutely, I don't ask.
Speaker 1: You don't want it to get stolen, don't play it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna hitch you in the shoulder and say,
shouldn't put it in your deck?
Speaker 1: That's right if you don't want it used against you
fucking neither do. I so don't play it if you're
gonna get salty, because I'm beating you to death with
your broken ass creature. How do you think your buddies
feel about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You play ula mag tulamg or nulamag Oh.
Speaker 1: I hate my own medicine. This is terrible. Get bent,
get bent, get ulamu, then nula magun tulaag do you
fucking count?
Speaker 2: I can't wait till three lamogah doesn't sound as good
as nulamog. I want to drink some of my own
medicine from Nicomas craft Ales.
Speaker 1: I have finished with. This is number two. Okay you
think and you're convinced this isnt a urico. Hey, I'll
bet your zericho. Actually, yeah, she's probably. She's gotta be
a whole. She can't go from number one to not
on the list. There's no way, right number two.
Speaker 2: Well I'm wrong, which will help the rodk. He's number two.
I thought he's gonna be number one.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the guy you thought we're thinking about.
Speaker 2: I thought that this was gonna be number one.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see what he is. He's a three zombie
warrior for four.
Speaker 2: This is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Another zombie you control each shit create it too too.
If it didn't have decaie, you get a two to
two black zombie creature with the k sure at the
beginning of your end step you may sack a zombie
if you do draw card.
Speaker 2: All my zombies can have two lives. Yes, and also
saka guy. Get a guy draw card and he gives
zombies two colors.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I will maintain and I will be clear. Okay, mono
black zombie best zombie correct? But will Helto he got
me thinking he's got me, He's got me pretty sweaty.
Speaker 1: Would you play a mono black zombie deck, but just
put some islands in so you can play Willhelt? Would
you do that?
Speaker 2: Does that make it mono black bitch?
Speaker 1: Well yeah no, yeah, Wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Can they be only mismatched islands?
Speaker 1: Of course they can. Okay, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2: Still no, okay, shit, Will Helt very good? I I
dare say he is de facto best best in slought
zombie commander. I would say Will Helt and Scab God
are the best zombie commanders. If if YouTube is like.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking best zombie commander.
Speaker 2: Jerk off thumbnail and you gotta go like this, Uh yeah,
probably will Helt and the scaub god and and maybe
it's like you blur them both behind your head and
the thumbnail that some people don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You use the uh you use this one because it's
crazy secret layer one, and then you use the invocation one.
Nobody can tell what the hell that is? Anyway, Yes,
and you got it.
Speaker 2: Man, what a letdown. I thought this guy's gonna be
number one.
Speaker 1: Does this mean that Uriko is going to be number one?
Or is probably tx Rell is going to be number one?
Because that was the demere deck I took apart. Oh,
because talks Rill hasn't been on the list yet, and
I'm surprised by that because he's a miserable piece of garbage.
Speaker 2: It's a game changer and it's a miserable piece of
garbage and nobody likes it. I like it, but so
is Uko. Yeah, so okay, who's your vote for Euko
or talk show? Who's your number one?
Speaker 1: It's god, it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be cho It has number one?
Speaker 1: There she is Urko, Uriko, Eureka. Damn it.
Speaker 2: Fuck with this chick. From Final Fantasy with that huge
weird arm.
Speaker 1: I never understood that. It's like a it looks like
a puffy little.
Speaker 2: Is that her arm?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think she's got some circulation issues. She got diabetes.
Speaker 1: I mean probably that.
Speaker 2: That arm looks like it should be on Sloth from
the Goonies.
Speaker 1: Good reference.
Speaker 2: Good arm looks like it should be on the fucking
Kuchuk brother. Who's the captain of the freaking Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sports guys are gonna know who that is.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: Fucking Brady. Is it Brady Kuchuk? Oh? Yeah, because Matthew
Kachuck's and the Panthers. He's such a dream boat.
Speaker 1: I remember Matthew Kuchuk being in a commercial and he
was like, could chuck that's the sound it makes when
a puck goes into the net. And then they're like, what.
Speaker 2: A fucking like?
Speaker 1: This is a shitty commercial? Why you add? Why does
Canadian Tire want to tell me what goddamn sound a
puck making.
Speaker 2: I'm going to buy the opposite of what he's selling.
Speaker 1: Sell me a snowblower and shut up right number one?
Speaker 2: Hey again, will only.
Speaker 1: One universe is beyond card on this list for the record,
just one.
Speaker 2: So we're oh, yeah, who is it again?
Speaker 1: Nah, King of the Nasghoul or Lord of.
Speaker 2: The nas Lord of the Mother, asked Nasgul. There he is, hey.
Speaker 1: And he was like all support from one deck like
he was in Lord of the Rings. Everybody just bought
all the wraiths like this is the Ring Raith commander. Yeah,
because as it fucking is.
Speaker 2: And here you go. I'm I'm very decently sure that
he was in the pre con. He wasn't even in
the main set. This is the pre con symbol that's
on that card, but it's the scrolly border frame you
see if you're watching on YouTube. Uh hm one again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay with this? So what zorious last week?
Pleasantly surprised us.
Speaker 2: With one and pleasantly surprised us.
Speaker 1: You're right, do you think dem I don't think Demir did.
I don't think it.
Speaker 2: Did Demir pleasantly Sorry, Demir didn't pleasantly surprise me, Demir.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a it went from a bunch
of mill decks and mill adjacent decks. They're just kind
of being decks. Are kind of miserable.
Speaker 2: Demir and rats met my expectation. There we go, and
my expectations were this is the most miserable color. I
will say, though it is a color pair I appreciate.
I like to play it. Demir cards always have lots
of words on cards that I like. Whenever you play
Instant or Sorcery, mill this grind that play from your
Graveyard zombie, these are words I like. Yes, right, I
temper my demere jerk off by usually playing like Grisis
or playing teamer, which is yeah blue and.
Speaker 1: That's got green.
Speaker 2: I know, but there's lots of jerkoff and teamer right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh.
Speaker 2: Well, Lord of the Nasgul, I gotta fucking build this deck.
Speaker 1: Now, that's kind of a neat one. I kind of
like that.
Speaker 2: I like that one just because it's like, whenever you
cast an Instant or Sourcery, you get a guy. Yeah,
and I'll take a drawg old deck. I'll play freaking
tainted strike on your ten to ten when he's not
attacking me. Fuck it, I'll do it. I'll make a
three three so the next time you do attack.
Speaker 1: Me, a blocker got a three three, got a blocker.
Speaker 2: Room, Maybe he'll be a nine to nine. I got
nine other guys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess you can make him nine nine.
Speaker 2: Won eight other guys because the fucking make one Lord
of the Nasgule is a wraith.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, you're right. Seven guys, because are gonna make
a guy for playing a thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, five guys burgers and fries. More like fucking seven guys,
cast tainted, strike and dies.
Speaker 1: So seven guys making you die. But I guess yeah,
that's a that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, brother.
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Nasgoul is our number one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, well number one in my heart,
quasi number one in our heart.
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Speaker 2: I should probably that way. Yeah, it's kind of that way. Yeah,
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his name's Dave, which totally sounds made up, but I
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Speaker 1: Yes, d Wong, Yeah, de Wong Wong Wong. That's why
I call him sometimes. I don't ever call him that.
I'm gonna call him that sometimes. When I used to
when I used to live kind of over here too.
Sometimes I'd walk Biggers down to his house, like to
pick something up or drop something off, and we'd like
talk video like super Nintendo game secrets, like on the
front porch like he used to back in the day.
Speaker 2: What a fucking nerd.
Speaker 1: It's fucking nerds, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's next on the old arc of evolution? Is it
ractose intolerant?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am so not looking forward to
talking about I'm looking forward to ractose.
Speaker 2: Every time I played Return to ravenaical limited Boom, Ractose baby.
Speaker 1: Every time I sit down to build a Ractose deck,
with the exception of that gold deck which everybody hated
and I had to take a part, I have given
up halfway.
Speaker 2: Through another one. Nearly every time I played Zendakar Draft Boom, Ractose,
fucking agro baby, And I'm not even the agro guy thought,
I'm looking forward to ractose. Well, you know who's gonna
be on that list? I bet you Ractose.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, brother, how many rack do you think are
gonna be on the ractose list? Because yes, yes, probably one,
maybe two?
Speaker 2: Yes, all right?
Speaker 1: How many ractoses are gonna be on the ractose list.
We're gonna find out next week on the next exciting
episode of Commander cook Count podcast. In our Thing,