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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>I you?

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the Occult Rejects. We are joined today by

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<v Speaker 5>Peter Gray, who is the shit now. I can't even

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<v Speaker 5>open the thing, of course, I'm sorry, Peter, but you

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<v Speaker 5>are ocultist, magician, sorcerer of summer now quite a bit

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<v Speaker 5>and Scarlett Imprint is a major publishing press, probably the biggest,

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<v Speaker 5>probably the most well known, and I think, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just going to say the works that I distinctly remember,

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<v Speaker 5>since I can't actually open the tab for your author's

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<v Speaker 5>buyer right now, but the what I did in prep

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<v Speaker 5>for this episode was read at least a little of

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<v Speaker 5>Lucifer Princeps, which is your book from twenty fifteen, as

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<v Speaker 5>well as Lucifer Praxis, which is your newest book from

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty five. I think it's very ionic, very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I also listen to your great episode from October with

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<v Speaker 5>Gordon White, and I know that you have written extensively

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<v Speaker 5>on the Babylon and Babylon workings with your partner Alkiste Alkisi.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope I said that correctly, okus, see, thank you,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I'm really excited. I know everybody is really excited.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a little nervous, so I apologize, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think this will be really generative and really interesting,

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<v Speaker 5>especially because we have been speaking as a show. Not

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<v Speaker 5>it's not my show, but I think in general and

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<v Speaker 5>all the shows offshoot from Rejects have been speaking on

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<v Speaker 5>ionic current satic work, and I think to sort of

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<v Speaker 5>uncover the Lucifer current is probably the most occulted. I

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<v Speaker 5>think Peter has spoken this about this extensively, but the

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<v Speaker 5>most occulted of all. So, uh, you got you can, Peter.

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<v Speaker 5>You can say anything you want to say about your

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<v Speaker 5>own work and introduce yourself in the ways that you

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<v Speaker 5>would like to. But thank you so much and from

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<v Speaker 5>all of us, and I'll just say it like that,

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<v Speaker 5>And obviously Nick please introduce yourself and plug your show.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate you doing the intro jin again, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not I don't enjoy doing them myself. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>the Cult, Rejects, Bitch You, Rumble YouTube, and all major podcasts,

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<v Speaker 6>What Doio podcast?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you everybody for joining. This is very exciting.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh yeah, I'm really happy that we got both of

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<v Speaker 6>them on and uh, yeah, I guess Sabrina, if you

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<v Speaker 6>want to go next, let everybody know what's going on

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<v Speaker 6>with you, and.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure I did not expect to go first, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>let's do it. Hi everyone, I'm really excited to see

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<v Speaker 7>so many people here. I'm super excited for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 7>For those of you who don't know me, I am

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<v Speaker 7>a terror reader, life coach, and professional witchy person. I've

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<v Speaker 7>got five books out now, to podcasts, Secrets of a

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<v Speaker 7>Which podcast and the Heal and Harm Show. I just

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<v Speaker 7>interviewed Nick for my first episode, so super excited about

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<v Speaker 7>that and really stoked to be here with some really

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<v Speaker 7>amazing people. Big fan of Scarlett Imprint and what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 7>so if anyone watching does.

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<v Speaker 8>Not know their work, check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's super awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, thank you very much, Sabrina. I definitely appreciate

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<v Speaker 6>you making it And Ethan Indigo what is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>So well.

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<v Speaker 1>Honored to be here with you guys.

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<v Speaker 9>I can wait to hear the discussion and be involved

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<v Speaker 9>in communicating. Appreciate everyone. Ethan Indigo Smith easy easy to

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<v Speaker 9>find online, writer, author and observer and easy to find

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<v Speaker 9>online if anyone wants to communicate.

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome. Thank you. And Matt Mora, what is going on? Buddy,

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<v Speaker 4>glad you made it?

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<v Speaker 10>What is up? Happy to be here again?

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<v Speaker 11>How's this food today? So I am at Mara. You

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<v Speaker 11>can always find me as at Matt Mora nineteen. That's

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<v Speaker 11>going to be on Twitter, YouTube, TikTok uh, Twitch, fi

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<v Speaker 11>maybe some other place. And there's also my website that's

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<v Speaker 11>gonna be Cabala dot com. That's ab a lah dot com.

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<v Speaker 11>There are or spaces we do on x and you

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<v Speaker 11>can always find the archives at the True Gray Lodge

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<v Speaker 11>dot com with a V so true. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 11>in the latest months, I'm working more now on some

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<v Speaker 11>Tarot stuff, some really interesting projects. On my pin to

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<v Speaker 11>your post, we can learn a little bit more, but

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<v Speaker 11>also can dm me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a.

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<v Speaker 11>Beta tester of sorts. So yeah you're curious, just dm

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<v Speaker 11>me on any of these platforms.

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<v Speaker 10>Happy to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, yeah, happy to have you here, brother, and the

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<v Speaker 4>headless Giant himself. What is going on? So please let

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<v Speaker 4>everybody know what you deal is and all the things

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<v Speaker 4>you got going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm really proud of myself because I am muted this time.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't often do that, so you can find me

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<v Speaker 12>at the Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com. If

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<v Speaker 12>you have any sort of esotera or strain stories that

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<v Speaker 12>you want to share, are Strange Dreams even and me

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<v Speaker 12>and Nick will read those on Thursday, so check that out.

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<v Speaker 12>And also if you want to see my alchemy show,

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<v Speaker 12>that would be on Mondays with Arrows Up and check

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<v Speaker 12>that one out as well. And Tuesdays we do seven

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<v Speaker 12>seven seven the Cabbala of Alisair Crowley with Nick. So

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<v Speaker 12>also I have the Sunday Trialogus with Ethan Indigo and

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<v Speaker 12>at some point during the week, probably Wednesdays now, we're

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<v Speaker 12>going to be doing more rust at Gods, so check

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<v Speaker 12>that out as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do think I don't want to be missing

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<v Speaker 6>it up, but I do think Jewels was planning on

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<v Speaker 6>doing that tonight, possibly with you, So yeah, look forward

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<v Speaker 6>to that. I think I'll be able to jump on

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<v Speaker 6>actually too. That's all I much to add. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>and we got Brandon Lee Magas in the media. Thank

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<v Speaker 6>you so much, Bud. I'm really happy to have you

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<v Speaker 6>like here being a part of us. So please let

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<v Speaker 6>everybody know what is up with you and where they

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<v Speaker 6>can find all your amazing work.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you Nick, Thank you everyone for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>I am Brandon Lee of Megas in the media, where

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<v Speaker 3>we break down myth, magic and meaning in the stories

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<v Speaker 3>that we and you love. Find me on All the

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<v Speaker 3>Things x TikTok, Instagram, YouTube's the big one. Go there,

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<v Speaker 3>watch all the things. I love stories and i love media,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm here to show the world that magic is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>from dark sorcery to the light and we can build

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves up together.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, we've all heard of Peter Gray and now I've

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<v Speaker 3>now heard of his lovely wife, and so I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>excited for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 10>Let's get to it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, thank you very much for coming to operate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 13>It.

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<v Speaker 6>Finally, to the guests, I guess Peter Baby, if you

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<v Speaker 6>want to go first, please introduce yourselves and let everybody

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<v Speaker 6>know you know kind of what your deal is and

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<v Speaker 6>what you would like to advertise a plug.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure that was a perfect intro from Jim Wiskull in Print,

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<v Speaker 1>with a this is the trouble I have to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it. So I'm a writer and the cultist. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in a publishing company called Scarlet Imprint. Otherwise I am

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<v Speaker 1>absent online apart from a sub stack the my normal

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<v Speaker 1>published writing. Yeah, and it's just a pleasure to meet

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<v Speaker 1>this white selection of crazy.

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<v Speaker 14>He's also a mountain biker, only does lots of other

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<v Speaker 14>things too.

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<v Speaker 11>He's not just.

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<v Speaker 4>That was that was so cute.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was just thinking, I hope one day I

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<v Speaker 6>was really sweet.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, there's something interesting is that your life is your

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<v Speaker 15>great work in a way, So you know, all the

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<v Speaker 15>components that go into Peter's life obviously support him as

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<v Speaker 15>a magician.

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<v Speaker 1>The physical practice is a very important part of what

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<v Speaker 1>I do so well. Although it's you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do outside of magic, it's not really an outside of magion.

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<v Speaker 6>I had mentioned that recently with Sabrina when we were

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<v Speaker 6>guess working out or whatever, being being trying to stay

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<v Speaker 6>and fit while you're doing this stuff. And I had

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<v Speaker 6>even wondered like some like for me working out. At

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<v Speaker 6>some point I realized, like when I'm doing my stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm really not paying attention. I'm almost in a flow

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<v Speaker 6>that's uh, that's like an intriguing thing from magicians too,

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<v Speaker 6>to start finding things to get into, you know, it's uh,

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's a plus. I think it helps strengthen

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<v Speaker 6>that type of practice. I don't know if that's maybe

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<v Speaker 6>your thoughts as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't rely on between the two. Like, the

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<v Speaker 1>body is the fundamental magical tool that we have, so

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<v Speaker 1>prepare working with. That magical tool is important for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's very easy online for people to talk talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of shit about like their magical accomplishments or

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, bro, you don't even lift you know.

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<v Speaker 8>Bro, that just literally what we were literally talking about.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think Jim Ratt magic people, I think is

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<v Speaker 7>something that's more need to get into, like for so

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<v Speaker 7>many reasons. So I love that. And Peter, you were

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<v Speaker 7>talking about mountain biking or I'll kiss you said that,

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<v Speaker 7>Peter does mountain biking, Like, does that get you into

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<v Speaker 7>a bit of that meditative flow state as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, blow states kind of critical with all the things

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<v Speaker 1>I do. So yeah, I'm essentially hunting flow state with

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<v Speaker 1>and with the least interference microve as possible. So I

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<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time living in the mountains and

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<v Speaker 1>riding bikes, and I spent a lot of time in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean here. So yeah, it's a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a missing part of magical practice. I think even

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<v Speaker 1>basically yoga has formed out of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>men's magical practice. All the things which were which was

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<v Speaker 1>yoga coming across, and they've dropped out a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people have become far too, far too in their

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<v Speaker 14>I don't know, because do you see much more people

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<v Speaker 14>talking about the body now? When we started, we found

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<v Speaker 14>that it wasn't everyone was arguing over the me news,

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<v Speaker 14>shy of Crowley or whatever. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of that shifted, partly through our work and partly through

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<v Speaker 14>other people's work, but also being pushing a more body

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<v Speaker 14>centered understanding of magic, understanding that we're working through this

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<v Speaker 14>from this point rather than it just happens to be

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<v Speaker 14>like chigong and so on. But at dance, Yeah, what am.

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<v Speaker 14>in their heads and arguing over peopeople's words. And the

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<v Speaker 14>words are really the least important thing. They're really what

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<v Speaker 14>you kind of try to drag out of the dream

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<v Speaker 14>like the word Gordon uses for possession, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 14>of that. If they're successful, they're not about showing off

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<v Speaker 14>how clever you are or how accomplished you are. That's

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<v Speaker 14>really like that's between you and your soul. Really, that

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<v Speaker 14>has like a fock call to do with what we're

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<v Speaker 6>I guess this whole flow state thing, it's just just

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<v Speaker 6>of it, I do wonder, like, you know, like is

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<v Speaker 6>it that flow state that like you end up like

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<v Speaker 4>You're can you hope losing a problem when they can't

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<v Speaker 4>hear me? Is there does that ever happen to you?

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<v Speaker 6>Like when you're out out doing your stuff, riding your bike,

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<v Speaker 6>doing your things, well, like ideas pop into your head

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<v Speaker 6>that you go with.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they can hear me.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, they can't hear you.

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<v Speaker 4>You might have to leave and come back. This is

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<v Speaker 4>so weird. This happened the last guest we had.

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<v Speaker 10>Can you hear the rest of us? There, Peter? Can

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<v Speaker 10>you hear any of us? Can you? Can you guys

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<v Speaker 10>hear us?

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<v Speaker 9>Doesn't sound like.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you might have to drop out and come back.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't hear you.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna throw it up on the screen to make.

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<v Speaker 10>It a well.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm reminded of an expression that I know from Taishi,

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<v Speaker 16>but I'm sure it's available more broadly, and certainly it's

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<v Speaker 16>applicable more broadly. The idea that the way you do

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<v Speaker 16>one thing is how you do everything. Yeah, like putting

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<v Speaker 16>magic into what seems like even mundane weightlifting, or putting

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<v Speaker 16>you know, a quality mindset into the things you do,

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<v Speaker 16>or enabling the flow state into washing dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, nice, Yeah, Ethan, I complete agree.

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<v Speaker 10>Kung fu right, kung fu?

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<v Speaker 3>Gung fu The term actually means times all right, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it's like you don't just have gung fu in

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<v Speaker 3>your like wushu or Marshall practice, you have gung fu

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<v Speaker 3>in everything you do, like washing dishes. Figuring out how

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<v Speaker 3>to do gardening. You know, anything you do at all

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<v Speaker 3>times through mastery is yeah, kung fu, I completely, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly, and that's magic. And that's the difference between

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<v Speaker 3>like for some reason, the West seem to like separate

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<v Speaker 3>things or the East integrates their embodied practice with their

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you know much more.

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<v Speaker 9>We select to distinguish and separate things in the West

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<v Speaker 9>a lot more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think of the flow state is exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what you're getting into when you're doing your ceremonial magic.

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<v Speaker 3>I find that with I studied I've studied Chinese martial

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<v Speaker 3>arts for like twenty years now, and it's one of

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<v Speaker 3>those things where I think there is no difference between

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<v Speaker 3>my my kung fu practice and my magical practice. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>there's differences in.

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<v Speaker 10>The way you go about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I perform, like say hung Aar, your southern

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<v Speaker 3>style of shoo in stuff, it's like you have an opening.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saluting the each each corners, you know, east, south, northwest,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're doing a certain breathing practice. Your organs are

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<v Speaker 3>becoming alive as then you are taking on the profile

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<v Speaker 3>and the orientation of certain animals as you go through

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<v Speaker 3>these things. So it's a yeah, I'm continually trying to

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<v Speaker 3>teach my student because it's like my students, because I

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<v Speaker 3>teach during the day. I do private lessons with all

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of martial arts, but the kung fu is the

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<v Speaker 10>I do teach on gar Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting is that my students, even though they

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<v Speaker 3>don't know it, they're they're becoming warrior magicians, even though

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<v Speaker 3>they're thinking they're just learning, you know, they're just learning

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<v Speaker 3>martial arts.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like, well, no, not really.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm integrating the middle path and these different paths like

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<v Speaker 3>into your body. You can actually help it because it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it becomes everything you do. And then back to

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<v Speaker 3>the taichi thing, It's like taichi is philosophy and action.

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<v Speaker 10>It is everything.

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<v Speaker 3>All the tai chi practice is embodied within the philosophy itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I guess now that you guys can hear me.

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<v Speaker 6>I had wanted to ask before before you lost a connection.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I know we were talking about the flow

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<v Speaker 6>state and stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>I mentioned David Lynch earlier, and you know, I dig

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<v Speaker 6>into his stuff and he would talk about transcendental meditation

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<v Speaker 6>and he would talk about how he would go to

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<v Speaker 6>that state and you would get ideas almost, so you

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<v Speaker 6>know that's where you know there's I guess tapping into something.

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<v Speaker 6>Would you say that maybe like sometimes like that would

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<v Speaker 6>be the same thing, like when you're doing like your

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<v Speaker 6>physical stuff, like when you're riding your bike, could you

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<v Speaker 6>find yourself kind of like in that state and then

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<v Speaker 6>all of a sudden the idea pops into your head

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<v Speaker 6>and you end up going with it when you get

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<v Speaker 6>home or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally a sense rather than something poking in I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that what Lynch is doing is crazy. Really

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most important things, which is crazing your

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<v Speaker 1>feedback late between the unconscious and the conscious mind, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to use those terms. So he's finding something

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<v Speaker 1>in dream and then he's bringing it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>dream and he's developing it, and then he's going back

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<v Speaker 1>and is continuing to build. And you see that with

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<v Speaker 1>the work of successful magicians. So if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>someone like Andrew Chulmley, I'm not a huge fan of

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<v Speaker 1>his work, but what he did very effectively was he

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<v Speaker 1>his unconscious and build an entire entire world out of

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<v Speaker 1>it in the way in the way that Lynch.

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<v Speaker 7>I've got a question actually around the flow state, Peter.

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<v Speaker 7>I love your writing so beautiful and lyrical. I was

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<v Speaker 7>just curious what your writing process is like and how

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<v Speaker 7>the flow state factors factors into that for you.

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<v Speaker 8>If it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure writing his Hell, it's it's a it's a completely

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody says that, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's obsessive, compulsive, maddening. The way my process

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<v Speaker 1>works is I'll often get an image or or a

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<v Speaker 1>line will come through to me, and then I'll develop

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<v Speaker 1>from that. So very often I'll I'll you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>work I work with, So I'll work with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a mask, and I'll constantly beat, jotting notes and pieces

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<v Speaker 1>in that, and I'll have sentences and fragments and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bring them all together and things will emerge from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But my process, yeah, my process is I pursue those

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<v Speaker 1>things which are interesting to me, and I returned to

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<v Speaker 1>I begin with inspiration, and I return to two cortex.

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<v Speaker 1>I returned to the original sources of everything I possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>I spend a lot of time, a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>on work, like a preposterous amount of time. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not the only writer that has this problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So been writing them and writing a piece of substanct

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<v Speaker 1>for about a month and a half now, which has

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<v Speaker 1>probably cost me several one hundred pounds in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>like the folks that have had to order down, how's

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<v Speaker 10>Read there for substat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for substant I've read all of the biographies of

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Lowry, I've read all of his novels, and about

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<v Speaker 1>this much will actually appear in the text. Because what

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<v Speaker 1>you find with writing is that the writers that are interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>each word is holographic, and so the weight and the

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<v Speaker 1>information that's behind the word, if you've done the work,

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<v Speaker 1>is still available there as a termer for the reader

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<v Speaker 1>to access. So so it's a constant it's a constant

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<v Speaker 1>folding in. Sometimes my process is very easy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>generally for me, a good writing session I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have four hours of writing in me before I'm done,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's that's the maximum that I can do in

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<v Speaker 1>the single session general. And then and then I can't

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<v Speaker 1>I generally can't get more than that out during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, writing it's a it's an obsessive it's an

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<v Speaker 1>obsessive madness with the reward. The reward is the work.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's beautiful to read despite the hardship that goes

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a quick thing is that Alan Morey actually says

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<v Speaker 3>that exact same thing about ideas and how to write,

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<v Speaker 3>that idea it gets a sentence down, and then all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden it starts to expand itself forward and

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<v Speaker 3>then yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, and if it doesn't, then it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. I mean, you never know when you start off.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a sentence, it could be a paragraph,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a chapter, it could be a book,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be anything. So you know, you just have

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<v Speaker 1>to you just have to keep writing things down.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>The other critical thing is that, like when you have

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<v Speaker 1>an idea, you have to write it down otherwise.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I pick up my phone and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>I just yell into it and I'm like, please don't

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<v Speaker 3>forget this is you need to remember for me?

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, put it down.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, one of the interesting things I've I've found with

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<v Speaker 17>the occult genre is that a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 17>of books in the same sort of field are all

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<v Speaker 17>referencing back to the same materials.

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<v Speaker 12>But then there's that one author who's just referencing stuff

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<v Speaker 12>that is completely off of the wall, and you have

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<v Speaker 12>to look up his references just to figure out where

429
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<v Speaker 12>his head is at when he's talking about these other things.

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<v Speaker 12>We've been noticing that a lot with Crowley in seven

431
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<v Speaker 12>seven seven, he's, you know, he's he's citing all this

432
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<v Speaker 12>stuff and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere,

433
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<v Speaker 12>he's got the citation that's, you know, just completely left field.

434
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<v Speaker 12>Have you ever found any really interesting gems from these

435
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<v Speaker 12>occult authors that you never would have found without their

436
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<v Speaker 12>sort of special way of looking at the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all I really love about Chroole is

438
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<v Speaker 1>that he has a renaissance man approach, so he assumes

439
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<v Speaker 1>that the magician will be a fully rounded individual with

440
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<v Speaker 1>an understanding of science literature, like at the cutting edge

441
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<v Speaker 1>of the day. That the problem is when people get

442
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<v Speaker 1>trapped in the idea that they simply have to read

443
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<v Speaker 1>the text that Chlole read because very often you find

444
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<v Speaker 1>that they're completely out of date, they're full of erroneous information,

445
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<v Speaker 1>and they just trap you in a back abby because

446
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<v Speaker 1>they haven't moved on. So it's I like to try

447
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<v Speaker 1>and encourage people to read more widely outside of the occult.

448
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<v Speaker 1>It's very common for me to find people who who

449
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<v Speaker 1>have a phenomenal occult library, but they read nothing else

450
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<v Speaker 1>outside of that. That that results in very very stunted

451
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<v Speaker 1>human beings. The aime of magic isn't stunted human beings.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that's that's beautiful.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have to say that's beautiful because even in Kraley,

454
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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting how many people say they've read Croley and

455
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<v Speaker 3>then don't realize in the beginning, Croley always gives you

456
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<v Speaker 3>read all these books before you even start the path,

457
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<v Speaker 3>write about anatomy, about philosophy, about the classics, and then

458
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<v Speaker 3>it's like people just throw that part away and then

459
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<v Speaker 3>go instantly into the to the meditation Prona Yama, and

460
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<v Speaker 3>then like they try to perform ceremony. And as Croley

461
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<v Speaker 3>states it, it's like you need to first understand that

462
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<v Speaker 3>any of your visions or anything that you have in

463
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<v Speaker 3>these states are actually hogwash and you need to think

464
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<v Speaker 3>objectively about these things, write them down, understand that there

465
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<v Speaker 3>they are part of your journey. But you you know,

466
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<v Speaker 3>that's how we get obsession, That's how all of a

467
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<v Speaker 3>sudden we go crazy and you get the wanderers lost

468
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<v Speaker 3>in the desert.

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<v Speaker 6>That is something from my own experience. I'm not knocking

470
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<v Speaker 6>like I guess the whole order, just my experience. When

471
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<v Speaker 6>I was in the Oto, I thought it was kind

472
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<v Speaker 6>of weird how everybody just basically just like read Crowley's

473
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<v Speaker 6>work and that was it. I was like, you don't

474
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<v Speaker 6>read anybody else's stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

476
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<v Speaker 6>I was just like you got to hear somebody else's

477
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<v Speaker 6>opinion or other things or I don't know. And one

478
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<v Speaker 6>thing that I thought was really and myself included, I

479
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<v Speaker 6>was part of this too, until, like you know, until

480
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<v Speaker 6>I just started having weird magical experiences, I really didn't

481
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<v Speaker 6>look at like a lot of the broader things like

482
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<v Speaker 6>the physiology and other stuff that I do think is

483
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<v Speaker 6>my opinion, I keep saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll have maybe you guys will be a little bit

485
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<v Speaker 4>different on this.

486
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<v Speaker 6>Almost anybody I've asked that's been on the show, I say,

487
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<v Speaker 6>I do think Aleseter Crowley was writing about the eyeballs

488
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<v Speaker 6>and the brains in certain ways, or he was pointing

489
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<v Speaker 6>to it. A lot of people don't agree with me

490
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<v Speaker 6>on that, but I do think physiology is possibly in

491
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<v Speaker 6>his work. A lot of the Gnostic Saints are other

492
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<v Speaker 6>people that he even was influenced by. If you read

493
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<v Speaker 6>their stuff, they're drawing eyeballs and brains. You know, Robert

494
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<v Speaker 6>Flood even Johanna's coupler and he's drawing eyeballs.

495
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you have.

496
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<v Speaker 6>I do think when you start looking at people on

497
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<v Speaker 6>the Renaissance, they incorporated so many different things just besides

498
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<v Speaker 6>what we're just saying here now, and I feel like

499
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<v Speaker 6>that has been lost, like hugely.

500
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what happened.

501
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<v Speaker 6>Was there like a schism, We're all of sudden just

502
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<v Speaker 6>the occult of magic was just real easy, and.

503
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<v Speaker 4>They forgot about everything else.

504
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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but I do think, like what you

505
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<v Speaker 6>said that was a real good point that all that

506
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<v Speaker 6>stuff is I kind of left out.

507
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<v Speaker 1>Yep, because of our education. Sorry, so education has collapsed,

508
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<v Speaker 1>so people are starting from a much lower base. When

509
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<v Speaker 1>you look at Chroley, he was like an Oxbridge graduate.

510
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<v Speaker 1>It was you know, he was genius level. But the

511
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<v Speaker 1>problem with Crowley is as a result of him being

512
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<v Speaker 1>at a genius level and producing this materialist it's it's

513
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<v Speaker 1>very likely that if you're in a structure like Oto

514
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<v Speaker 1>and you will simply attempt to reproduce what it meant

515
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<v Speaker 1>to be Chrow and you end up with a lot

516
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<v Speaker 1>of people who are lesser versions of that obviously are

517
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<v Speaker 1>not you know, I'm not throwing shade at the entire

518
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<v Speaker 1>It's one of one of the gaps that people fall

519
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<v Speaker 1>into is they end up trying to replicate the master

520
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<v Speaker 1>and we're no longer there, Like, we're in a completely

521
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<v Speaker 1>different world, and we have such a breadth of information

522
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<v Speaker 1>which is available to us and the ability to to

523
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<v Speaker 1>to read an access book. So let's let's even just

524
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<v Speaker 1>look at magic. So when I started studying magic, the

525
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<v Speaker 1>Internet wasn't really a thing, Like, it wasn't functioning. So

526
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<v Speaker 1>that the way that you've got books on magic was

527
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<v Speaker 1>you went into suspicious second hand bookshops and you asked

528
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<v Speaker 1>to look at the books that were hidden behind the

529
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<v Speaker 1>shelf and see if they'd hand them to you, and

530
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<v Speaker 1>you bought stuff widely around them because you were unable

531
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<v Speaker 1>to get hold of the specific text you were looking for.

532
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<v Speaker 1>So you ended up with quite an eclectic reading. You know,

533
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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't go, I'm just going to read Crowley, you go,

534
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<v Speaker 1>they have an expense paperback in there's nothing else. Well,

535
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<v Speaker 1>I'll read some Muspensky. They have some Gurje, I'll read

536
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<v Speaker 1>some Gerjeff. You know, you know I have to read

537
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<v Speaker 1>some Funfortune. I mean, yeah, so you ended up you

538
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<v Speaker 1>ended up getting this this kind of this are broad

539
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<v Speaker 1>discover the kind of like introduction to it. And also

540
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<v Speaker 1>because you didn't have such access to the material, it

541
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<v Speaker 1>meant that you would work with an individual book for longer.

542
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, perhaps the best exponent for that would

543
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<v Speaker 1>be would be Jake Strand and Kent and the way

544
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<v Speaker 1>that he spent you know, decade decades just working with

545
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<v Speaker 1>various bats of the true grimoire. There's bits of Grimory

546
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<v Speaker 1>and Viren, and because of the limitations that have been

547
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<v Speaker 1>imposed upon him, he was able to gain a lot

548
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<v Speaker 1>more from the text than someone who was simply going

549
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<v Speaker 1>this week kind of a veteran, a Buddhist this week

550
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<v Speaker 1>kind of practitioner.

551
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<v Speaker 14>All the grim was and obsessively, I mean, there is

552
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<v Speaker 14>use in that it's just when you're working, it really

553
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 14>helps to be so focused on the thing you're doing,

554
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<v Speaker 14>not like just collect.

555
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you're saying, is magic's not just Pokemon cards.

556
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 3>You're not just gotta gotta catch them all.

557
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<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

558
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I find that story Brenning. Sorry, Peter.

559
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<v Speaker 5>I just I found that point very profound because I've

560
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<v Speaker 5>heard you, Peter speak on like the creation of books

561
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<v Speaker 5>as sort of like an art practice, and you know,

562
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<v Speaker 5>it's a physicality. It's physical media. It's in the rawhou

563
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<v Speaker 5>in the dragon, it's not in the kettoo, in the

564
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 5>digital or in the subtle, And so I think it's

565
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<v Speaker 5>profound in the sense that in my experience, like I'm

566
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<v Speaker 5>I'm a Vagoriana Buddhist. I don't think you knew that

567
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 5>and when you said it, but as a ton Trick,

568
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<v Speaker 5>I just feel like that is the true sort of

569
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<v Speaker 5>axis of sodna, is to like really focus on the

570
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<v Speaker 5>one mandola that you're doing and not be tempted by

571
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<v Speaker 5>all the other empowerments practices. But I also like to,

572
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<v Speaker 5>as you mentioned earlier, like keep your mind open, like

573
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<v Speaker 5>read left hand path text, read your text on Lucifer,

574
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<v Speaker 5>read the works on Babylon, because it's very similar. I'm

575
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<v Speaker 5>not saying it's the same, but there is there is

576
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<v Speaker 5>a similar current. I think that all of the magic

577
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<v Speaker 5>quote unquote, the whole canon touches on at least a

578
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<v Speaker 5>little bit. So I had actually an interesting I hope

579
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<v Speaker 5>it's interesting, a follow up to something we discussed earlier,

580
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<v Speaker 5>which was the mountain So in the Lucifer practice book,

581
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<v Speaker 5>you refer to sort of the Northwest Semitic, but you

582
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<v Speaker 5>also refer to other kinds of regional ideas in the

583
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<v Speaker 5>North in that sort of area of the mountain gods

584
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<v Speaker 5>or of the mountain god maybe I don't know, you

585
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<v Speaker 5>can or the mountain angel.

586
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's a better way to say it.

587
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<v Speaker 5>So I just I want I wanted to know, like,

588
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<v Speaker 5>how do you sort of identify Lucifer living in the UK.

589
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<v Speaker 5>If you do, do you see him as sort of

590
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<v Speaker 5>a mountain god or apotheosis of like mountain This is

591
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<v Speaker 5>a very interesting idea.

592
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<v Speaker 2>In contra It's like the is the sort of worldly.

593
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<v Speaker 5>Bi ravar or the worldly king can then raise himself

594
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<v Speaker 5>up to become the pinnacle of the mountain of the Mandola.

595
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<v Speaker 5>So I wonder if you see Lucifer in a similar

596
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<v Speaker 5>way like a sort of impulse, as Gordon said, but

597
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<v Speaker 5>I would call it a current myself, but a sort

598
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<v Speaker 5>of like a rising force two that can like appear

599
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 5>on the carnal ground. I know that's not your language,

600
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<v Speaker 5>but and then arise to the sort of higher than heaven.

601
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you could.

602
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<v Speaker 1>Say sure, And I gave I gave a lecture this

603
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<v Speaker 1>year culture which Culture Sue, which will answer this question

604
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>more broadly talking about Highwai orientate my work in the land.

605
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<v Speaker 1>One thing I did when I wrote Practice was although

606
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a personal book, I didn't want to I didn't

607
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.759
<v Speaker 1>want to overdetermine for people and bring into much of

608
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<v Speaker 1>my own personal experience. I wanted to keep it open.

609
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<v Speaker 1>So locating Lucifer in England is quite easy for me,

610
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<v Speaker 1>firstly because this Practice shows the real explosion and the

611
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<v Speaker 1>modern form of Lisa that we have emerged, firstly in

612
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<v Speaker 1>sixteen sixty seven of the publication of Paradise Lost, and

613
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<v Speaker 1>then with the actions of the French Revolution in seventeen

614
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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine, and the modern form of Lucifer coming forth

615
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<v Speaker 1>from these influences, which then informed the English line of

616
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<v Speaker 1>prophecy in the Romantic poets. So the Romantic poets continued

617
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<v Speaker 1>the process that you find in the Bible, but they

618
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>were writing from the other side of it. So Shelley

619
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<v Speaker 1>in particular, but also Byron Blake, all of them had

620
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<v Speaker 1>had their inputs in it, and they were they were

621
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 1>dealing with in England that they were seeing as the

622
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>new seat of prophecy. So they were they were transposing

623
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<v Speaker 1>the Biblical landscape onto the English landscape. You see that

624
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<v Speaker 1>with and and did those feet Blake's poem Jerusalem where

625
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<v Speaker 1>he asks and did those feed nation time on England's

626
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>mountains green. So he's he's taking the Biblical jurissm and

627
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 1>he's translocating it into England, and he's turning England into

628
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the place where the new revelation will appear. And so

629
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<v Speaker 1>the question I asked after that in my oculture talk

630
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<v Speaker 1>as well, if Jerusalem can be transposed to England, then

631
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<v Speaker 1>so too can the shadow of Jerusalem. So the other

632
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>side of it, the Luciferian side of it, can also

633
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<v Speaker 1>be found in the English landscape. And the fallen angels,

634
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and the fallen angels when you see them in the

635
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in the Biblical in the Biblical lands were very much

636
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<v Speaker 1>associated with the with the Bronze agents Stone Age monuments,

637
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<v Speaker 1>so the Dolmen in particular, the houses of the spirits,

638
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.159
<v Speaker 1>the houses of the ancient and mighty dead. So where

639
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 1>I live in Cornwall is a giant bronze and stone

640
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Age graveyard. I mean it's it's the number of tombs

641
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>and structures and suffness we have here standing stone circles

642
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 1>is off the charts. So we live in a we

643
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 1>live in a place which has been associated with the

644
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>fallen angels. There's the people try to tell new stories

645
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about a land whose stories have been forgotten. So the

646
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>very earliest, the very earliest people who lived here that

647
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.679
<v Speaker 1>in the in the in the Stone Age, we don't

648
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>know their stories, but we have there, we have their homes,

649
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>we have them and we have them for mountaintops. So

650
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 1>there's there's a whole very sacred part of Cornwall called

651
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Belarium that I've written about before, which is mainly made

652
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>up of granite. And because it's made up grante, which

653
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 1>is a very hard walk, it means that a lot

654
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 1>of these monuments have survived. So it's possible for me

655
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to work in the landscape on mountains with the with

656
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the homes and the beings of the mighty dead in

657
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>the currents of the earth. So my lucifer work is

658
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 1>transploted into the landscape line.

659
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 10>Mm hmm. That's fascinating. I have a question, so does

660
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 10>that do you have the idea?

661
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 3>So the idea of Lucifer, you know, and especially in Milton,

662
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 3>being the fallen one, but also being synonymous with the snake,

663
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:46.920
<v Speaker 3>and as.

664
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 10>That idea of begiving.

665
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Eve the apple and that self awakening, so it doesn't

666
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 3>have to be the idea of giving Eve the apple

667
00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 3>and that means she, you know, passed in along and

668
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.840
<v Speaker 3>the whole exoteric variation of the Bible and that kind

669
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.079
<v Speaker 3>of thing. It comes to me that Lucifer's technology kind

670
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.960
<v Speaker 3>of idea that it gave us self consciousness, It gave

671
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 3>us the ability to see good and evil and become

672
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 3>gods ourselves. And so is that one of those things

673
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 3>where your understanding of that Luciferic current, especially in the

674
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 3>place they are in, gives you the ability to then

675
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 3>tap into the currents of the land so you can

676
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 3>remember this style of mythology and then put it into

677
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:28.800
<v Speaker 3>your work and then give it to the masses. And

678
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 3>that's the idea of Prometheus grabbing the fire from the

679
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.800
<v Speaker 3>gods and bringing it to the people, and that Promethean

680
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Luciferian interconnection comparison.

681
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, And the reason I kept things as open

682
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>as I did in practice is because America is very

683
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 1>much to child of England. So I don't know all

684
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of the heritages, but many of you will have come

685
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:58.079
<v Speaker 1>from England. You are our future, like translocated into America,

686
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>and you have that task trying to work out where

687
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this goes. You know where it goes for you, what

688
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 1>it means, what it means in your disputed landscape, how

689
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you how you reclaim and work with that, and those

690
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>are those are those are questions for individual magicians in

691
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>an individual basis. So I've already had people writing to

692
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 1>me saying, oh, so I got this practice. And the

693
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>first thing I did was I went to Serpent Mound

694
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and read a certain mound, because that's there, that's their

695
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 1>sacred landscape that they're trying to understand, and they're trying

696
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>to understand these stories through because we're in a constant

697
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>process of these things being written and overwritten and changed

698
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and rechanged. And it isn't a question of like going,

699
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, everything's cultural approciate appropriation. We can't say

700
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:46.320
<v Speaker 1>we can't do anything as moderns, we can't do anything

701
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>because we are we are white. Now, this is bullshit.

702
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 1>The important thing is that that people take these general

703
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>principles and they apply them to the place that they're in,

704
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and they apply them to the culture that they're and

705
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>then they continue to transform them.

706
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.559
<v Speaker 2>And it gives you.

707
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 14>A mythic access to landscapes whose people have gone and

708
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 14>that we have. Like in England, the Romans already killed

709
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 14>all the Druids. We have no continuity with our own

710
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 14>pagan traditions. So because the Bible then later overwrote everything,

711
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 14>and so the stones here, though there's the sacred landscape here,

712
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 14>are associated with the devil or fairies or giants, and

713
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.000
<v Speaker 14>there's this parallel then between that and the fallen angels

714
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 14>and the world in the Bible, the giants and the

715
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 14>nef lem and so on. So you're able to transpose

716
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 14>that and use that mythically to access what's hidden in

717
00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.159
<v Speaker 14>the landscape here, and to also like not to deny

718
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 14>the Christian heritage we have, because it's a very important

719
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 14>part of the West and Cold as well, but to

720
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 14>go beyond that, to go further, to take it further,

721
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 14>because I think that that the Anglican Church is meaningless now,

722
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 14>it doesn't have any values at all. So and especially

723
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 14>like I don't think I don't think Christianity is bad.

724
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 14>My background is Catholic, my parents and family or Catholic.

725
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 14>But to go beyond that, I don't think we are

726
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 14>in opposition to this. I think that it's just that

727
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 14>Lucifer is something being born. It's a new revelation, it's

728
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 14>something coming through it. It's not the devil from the Bible,

729
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.360
<v Speaker 14>and practice talks a little about this. It's more as

730
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:36.920
<v Speaker 14>though what comes out it's not just the bad, but

731
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 14>like everything that was suppressed all of all of the history,

732
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 14>and so we can find a way into that and

733
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.199
<v Speaker 14>find a We are navigating a different world. I mean,

734
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 14>it's a very different world from the Christian world. It's

735
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 14>a very different world from Crowley's world even a hundred

736
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:57.280
<v Speaker 14>years ago. So we're looking towards the future. We're not

737
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 14>like thinking about like twenty years ago, ten years. Things

738
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 14>are going to change so much in the coming decades,

739
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 14>very quickly because of Ai and all the other changes

740
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 14>happening in the world. So it's really that Lucifer offers

741
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 14>a way to think consciously about how we use technology,

742
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 14>for instance, how we ethically approach what we do. Lucifer

743
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 14>is a current which like puts our consciousness into this

744
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 14>position where or if we're going to take if we

745
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 14>are going to be as magicians conscious about what we

746
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 14>do in the world and what the world is in

747
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 14>our relation to it. There is a sort of a

748
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.679
<v Speaker 14>moral or an ethical thing that goes with that as well,

749
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 14>like an obligation to rethink how we are in relation

750
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:55.480
<v Speaker 14>to everyone and everything, all the other being and spirit.

751
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to follow that up just because I I apologize.

752
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 5>I think that's incredibly interesting and beautifully said, simply because

753
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.639
<v Speaker 5>this is something that we talk a lot about in

754
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 5>our group show, which is called The Gray Lodge, which

755
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 5>Matt and I obviously our co.

756
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Host line.

757
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 5>The geoontological relationality and sort of looking at these karmic

758
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 5>connections with each other but also with the landscape on

759
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.400
<v Speaker 5>which we arise. Rather than saying it's specifically racial, and

760
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 5>I think this goes very much to what Peter is saying.

761
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 5>He's saying, like, yeah, I agree, cultural appropriation is bullshit,

762
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 5>because you where you arise in your consciousness matters a

763
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 5>lot more than the bio essentiality in my opinion.

764
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 2>So and I think.

765
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 5>That even where you're born, because a lot of Americans,

766
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 5>like I live in Canada, but I've lived all over

767
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 5>the US and Canada, So for me, where you're born

768
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 5>might determine something, but it's where you really come into

769
00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 5>your more fullness as a magician, like where are you

770
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 5>first having stuff out experiences or magical experiences or mar

771
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 5>Comwa journey experiences or experiencing the tikinis, Like I know

772
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 5>you said that you dance, So I just thought, well,

773
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 5>that's so interesting obviously being and then also I want

774
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 5>to sort of ask about the post Christian landscape because

775
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 5>I think this is really interesting, and I think this

776
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 5>touches a lot on my own work and then our

777
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 5>group work of aon of the Daughter, because I've always

778
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.719
<v Speaker 5>said it's cosynchronous. I agree with fred or a child

779
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 5>that is cosynchronous with the aon of the sun, so

780
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 5>there's no true tension between them. But it's also looking

781
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 5>at like a progressive not necessarily political, and maybe not

782
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 5>political at all, but it's looking at a progressive view

783
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 5>of American I'm using American magic, but maybe magic just

784
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 5>in Toto. So if you want to respond to that,

785
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 5>like how do you see the ten? I mean, I

786
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 5>think you spoke on it. But the tensions of the

787
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 5>sort of reactionary magical community that would say, oh, we

788
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 5>hate Christianity because it is we have daddy issues or

789
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 5>whatever it is.

790
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is.

791
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 5>Like I was born Catholic, I have no problem with

792
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Christianity myself. I'm not going to be Christian, but that's,

793
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, my choice. And so I just think that

794
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 5>there is a tension, but I think it's easily resolved

795
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 5>for me in practice, in practice of kabbala. So Kabala

796
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 5>for me has sort of reunified my whole orientation, maybe

797
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 5>my whole view to magic in saying that, yeah, okay,

798
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.199
<v Speaker 5>maybe if you want to call it Hasham, you want

799
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 5>to call it God, you want to call it Jesus,

800
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 5>like all these different ways to map it on the tree.

801
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 5>That's fine. It's all reconcilable if you understand. If you're

802
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 5>you know, high a q enough And so I just

803
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 5>find like what you're saying very important and very aonic

804
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 5>and very beautiful. So I don't know if there's a

805
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 5>question in there, but if You're welcome to respond or

806
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 5>not in any way that you want.

807
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure. I think one of the problems is the or

808
00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the like broadly left hand path apprightes have been have

809
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 1>been all positional, and my my feeling with these is

810
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 1>that that if so if you're Christian, then you're you're

811
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>coming out of Christianity, then you can perform a single

812
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 1>black mass. But if you spend your time repeating that

813
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>transcrission over and over again, you're just trapping yourself in

814
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>another silly game. And I think that's what's happened very

815
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>much in America because of the influence of sort of

816
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>lavein Satanism. It's been it's been a very it's been

817
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a very reactionary, fucking you mum and dad, like you know,

818
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 1>sticking your fingers up at the establishment kind of like approach,

819
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately it's childish. It doesn't get you very far.

820
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Like as an initial reaction, I'm not going to throw it,

821
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not. I'm not going to throw it away.

822
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think people can gain something from that that

823
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that initial tension. But there's there's a more sure had

824
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>our way to approach this, and I've been really gratified

825
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to find. I've got I've got quite a few Christian

826
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 1>readers of my list for material and quite a few

827
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 1>recover in Christian readers of my list for material, because

828
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 1>it shows them a Bible that they haven't necessarily read

829
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.679
<v Speaker 1>when they were in their in their small, in their

830
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.559
<v Speaker 1>small world churches, like they hadn't really understood the world

831
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and the text was being described. Now we're in a

832
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of weird position because in England, in England, we

833
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 1>don't have Christianity anymore like we are we are, We're

834
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 1>in a stage where the church is completely collapsed, like

835
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it's people do not go to church here, and I'm

836
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 1>not sure whether Americans can understand us, like it's such

837
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 1>a minority pursuit. There's a there's a new rise in Christianity,

838
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.039
<v Speaker 1>like there's a there's a street Christianity which is coming

839
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>up now at the moment, but whether I doubt that

840
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 1>will get beyond a very small phase here people people

841
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 1>have just gone past that, whereas in America things are

842
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>quite different. So I'm seeing a lot of chatter on

843
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>pagan and occult forums when when you know when not

844
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>for forums, but like substack notes and things with people

845
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>talking about the rise for Christian nationalism and the threats

846
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that Christianity posts in America. And I don't really know

847
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>how to interpret that because I'm not on the ground.

848
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>It's very difficult for me to understand understand what the

849
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>reality of that looks like to people. And I know

850
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that that's going to be very different from if you're

851
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 1>if you're living on the West Coast or if you're

852
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 1>living in the Bible Belt. I mean, these are going

853
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to be very very different places in terms of how

854
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 1>you how you interact with your with your fellow fellow

855
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Americans who hoping to Christians. But I think that the

856
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 1>stronger position that I'm trying to advance in practice is

857
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is we're we're post Christian and not anti Christian. And

858
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I think if we can, if we can get that

859
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>message across the people, they can move through Christianity to

860
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 1>a more constructive position, then we can probably find common

861
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>ground with a lot of these people and not simply

862
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>try to reassure ourselves of our own our own identities

863
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 1>by defining ourselves in or position to you know, allowing

864
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 1>us or allowing us to be defined, or allowing us

865
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>or trapping us in that kind of silliness where where

866
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>we end up like the Satanic temple, you know, thinking

867
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it's hilarious to call abortion human sacrifice, and then and

868
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.519
<v Speaker 1>then wonder why it blows up for people who are

869
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 1>running magic shops in quiet parts of America.

870
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 14>I think it's so important. Sorry to interrupt in no

871
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 14>GM wanted to say something, but no, it just went sorry,

872
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 14>going on, It's going to add something, yeah.

873
00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 5>Oh please please, I mean everything. It's like amazingly general conversation.

874
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Just one of our co hosts from the Gray Lodge.

875
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.199
<v Speaker 5>He was supposed to be on. He had a family

876
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 5>thing come up, so I just he has a really

877
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.360
<v Speaker 5>great question, and I think Peter kind of touched on it,

878
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 5>but we'll, like, let's see, I'll read his question and

879
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 5>then either of you can address it. You address the

880
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 5>need to liberate your practice from the eschatological confines of

881
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.039
<v Speaker 5>Christian myth, but nonetheless include references to the day of

882
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 5>judgment in your curses. For example, this points to a

883
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 5>lingering tension at this point in your life. Do you

884
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 5>view this as a stumbling block or as a generative

885
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:35.920
<v Speaker 5>source of creativity and play.

886
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>So we've been handed an apocalyptic script by Christianity, that

887
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>tends to cascade through things, and I think it's very

888
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and one of the reasons that I spend a

889
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of time looking at like Revelation, for example, as

890
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 1>a text beginning in the Red Goddess, but as a

891
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>mature going through my entire corpus is because I think

892
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>that we can take that apart. I think we can

893
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 1>prevent using it in a negative way to track us

894
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 1>in a way that at least outcomes which ends up

895
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 1>faith happens, which end up end with the destruction of humanity,

896
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>with born again Christians having control of the nuclear bomb,

897
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:25.039
<v Speaker 1>having control of with the Collins Elite, if that's a

898
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>group of UFO disclosure and the way that we interact

899
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>with with UAP. I think there are smart ways that

900
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>we can undo it. But we're all living in our

901
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 1>personal apocalypses as well. I mean, we're all we're all

902
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>purtling towards death. So so that that's something that you know,

903
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 1>this is something that we have to confront as well

904
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.119
<v Speaker 1>as a chartist say that I think I think that

905
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the apocalypse can be used to think through that. The

906
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 1>death meditation, I think is one of one of the

907
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 1>critical parts of that of that practice.

908
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>In a lot of ways. I see what you're saying.

909
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 12>It's like the fear of death has led these you know,

910
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:10.519
<v Speaker 12>these three forces against each other and opposition. You've got Islam, Christianity,

911
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 12>and Judaism, and it's all sort of predicated on the

912
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 12>individual's fear of what's to come after. And really, if

913
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 12>consciousness can go into the body, then consciousness can.

914
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Go out of the body. So what are we talking

915
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 2>about here?

916
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 8>You know?

917
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.320
<v Speaker 12>Right, So are we basing all of these political conflicts

918
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 12>off of these stories or have we been co opted

919
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 12>by these stories about maybe imposing a little fear of

920
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 12>death into people and created much more death and destruction.

921
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, they say that the fear of death is actually important,

922
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.960
<v Speaker 3>is that if we can fear, we have to have

923
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 3>a little fear of the unknown so we can understand

924
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.000
<v Speaker 3>how to then walk into it without the fear, because

925
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.519
<v Speaker 3>we can't be a hero without first understanding the fear

926
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.320
<v Speaker 3>that we have of that darkness.

927
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 4>You know.

928
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 10>It's the idea of the busheeto.

929
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Code, where you wake up every morning and say today

930
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 3>is the day to die, and you walk into the

931
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 3>world knowing that I will die today. And even if

932
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 3>that's a symbolic understanding of what death means to us,

933
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 3>or if it's that I'm going to protect my master,

934
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 3>or my wife or my family from these unknown aspects

935
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 3>of things, I need to have a little fear.

936
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 10>It's like every time I.

937
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Go on stage, not that I go on stage that

938
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 3>much anymore, or do we do a live stream or

939
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 3>you're going out there and giving a talk or whatever

940
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 3>it is, you have that little inkling of fear, and

941
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 3>it's like that leads to courage, and then that courage

942
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 3>leads us to becoming superhuman in our own way.

943
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.480
<v Speaker 10>That's how That's how I like to.

944
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 3>But I do agree that that they want us to

945
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 3>be they the days want us to be, and not

946
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.239
<v Speaker 3>those kind of days, but the day wants.

947
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 10>Us to be afraid of death.

948
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 3>And if it's easier to create than the Brian Johnson's

949
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 3>of the World, right, that character who's trying to defy death,

950
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.599
<v Speaker 3>which is on sensical, and then he wants to live

951
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:07.400
<v Speaker 3>stream his fucking stupid psychedelic journeys when technically all he

952
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 3>needs to do is shut the lights off, take a candle,

953
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 3>they take a heroic dose and throw on lateralis and

954
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden you have this internal feeling

955
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 3>of what the true expansiveness of going into the mystery

956
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 3>school and coming out alive is, and then we can

957
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 3>truly be alive.

958
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:24.559
<v Speaker 10>That's my soapbox.

959
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:29.159
<v Speaker 11>That's one thing that we were talking about even before

960
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 11>starting the recording here was that in Brazil there is

961
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 11>a lot of openness to a lot of these topics

962
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 11>that we were talking about, like the esoter sayism or

963
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 11>even what you guys were saying about the post Christian

964
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.840
<v Speaker 11>because what happened here is you have all the Catholics

965
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.559
<v Speaker 11>from Portugal and you know, the all the europearent places,

966
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.679
<v Speaker 11>but especially Portugal. They had the Africans coming with all

967
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 11>their heritage and the natives here and we kind of

968
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 11>just mixed up everything and we had to make sense

969
00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 11>of it. So in the end we have people that

970
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:03.159
<v Speaker 11>would you know, get all the let's say, the African

971
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 11>and the native practices, kind of meshed them, syncretize them,

972
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 11>but then add like Jesus in the middle as well,

973
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 11>you know, somehow there's some saints and Jesus there as well,

974
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 11>or the guys like something that actually started back in

975
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 11>France with Kardak so like his pirtism that they didn't

976
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.800
<v Speaker 11>got extremely popular there, like in Europe in general, but

977
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.320
<v Speaker 11>in Brazil it kind of like exploded and then a

978
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.599
<v Speaker 11>lot of other things out of it afterwards as well,

979
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 11>because again he kind of got Christianity, he understood it,

980
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 11>he went to the East to learn more, and then

981
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 11>it's like, oh wait a second, yeah, people reincarnade and stuff.

982
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 11>Yeah cool, Okay, there's not like just this thing where

983
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 11>you wait forever until their return and one. So he

984
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 11>kind of like updated the knowledge and then people, wow, okay, cool,

985
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 11>this is more like it. But he still uses the

986
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 11>Bible and whatever whatever, So it's kind of like what

987
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.760
<v Speaker 11>you're talking about, this kind of posts uh Christianity. And

988
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 11>another thing that was in my mind was again this

989
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 11>idea of okay, there's going to be an apocalypse, everything's

990
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 11>going to end, and so one and well, by incidence, right,

991
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 11>you have twenty two chapters and twenty two major account

992
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.079
<v Speaker 11>and a lot of the chapters are basically the twenty

993
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 11>two are kind of being like displayed.

994
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 10>But that's for another thing.

995
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.679
<v Speaker 11>And what you have there is, Okay, everything is gonna end,

996
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 11>and sure it is that era because the cycles continue.

997
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 11>That era that they're talking about is gonna end eventually,

998
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.400
<v Speaker 11>and then a new one comes up that's like the

999
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 11>anti Christ, that the one that's gonna end the previous

1000
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.119
<v Speaker 11>Desiah or whatever, and then everyone comes up and it

1001
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 11>goes again and again and again and again. But if

1002
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 11>you don't see it like that, like you guys are saying,

1003
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 11>it becomes just this fearful experience where.

1004
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 10>You cannot know, you don't know what to do.

1005
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 11>And then you have people that can capitalize on that,

1006
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 11>which they do a lot of times, like you have

1007
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 11>guys saying, oh, tomorrow is gonna be the day's day,

1008
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 11>and then everybody sells their shitping goes live with them

1009
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 11>and build an arc and whatever. Like people still do

1010
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 11>this to this day, like it's all the other day

1011
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 11>on Twitter or whatever. So again, it's just this myth

1012
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 11>that gets created. And like you guys were saying as

1013
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 11>well before, like if you don't get hold of that,

1014
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Speaker 11>then you're just living the myth of some people that

1015
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.719
<v Speaker 11>lived in the desert two thousand years ago, and you're

1016
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.519
<v Speaker 11>still living that. But you're like out of there, you know,

1017
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 11>you are somewhere in America, somewhere in Japan, whatever, and

1018
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 11>you're still living that story. Like it's it's over come

1019
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.880
<v Speaker 11>on create your own you know. And I guess writing

1020
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 11>is the in reading books like consuming and creating, it's

1021
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 11>it's the excellent skill for that because you have to

1022
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.000
<v Speaker 11>know how to create the story and to put it

1023
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 11>out there.

1024
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:29.599
<v Speaker 10>So that's pretty nice.

1025
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:32.239
<v Speaker 12>Time.

1026
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 14>Yes, Can I just say something I wanted to say?

1027
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 14>Like Matt, I totally agree like that, you can't rationalize

1028
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 14>the spirit world. Any people that like have Jesus and

1029
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 14>Babylon both in their lives. It's not our job as

1030
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 14>humans to rationalize the spirit world. It's all there, you know,

1031
00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 14>Jesus is real for many people. For me, I never

1032
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 14>felt that connection. I was always oriented toward the feminine

1033
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 14>and unfortunately, as a child married ever made her you know,

1034
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 14>epiphany to me, so I ended up going the other way.

1035
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 14>But yeah, you can't rationalize the spirit world. It's it's

1036
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 14>all real, as I think, who was it that said

1037
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 14>that recently on one UAP thing like demons angels. Everything's

1038
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.360
<v Speaker 14>out there and what you encounter will be largely because

1039
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:25.119
<v Speaker 14>of where your consciousness is, how your consciousness is oriented

1040
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 14>in a particular moment in our incarnation. So the consciousness

1041
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.440
<v Speaker 14>is not limited, but our incarnation is limited. I also

1042
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.840
<v Speaker 14>wanted to mention something when Brandon was talking about fear

1043
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 14>was very good. I totally agree about that. Fear is

1044
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 14>really important. Everything Peter does turn to flow state. For me,

1045
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 14>it puts me in a fear state, you know. He

1046
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 14>I couldn't ride a bike until I met Peter and

1047
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.440
<v Speaker 14>then he like two weeks after trying to teach me

1048
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 14>how to write, took me to the Alps and sent

1049
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 14>me down a black and it was like it was

1050
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 14>just basically, if you fall off, you'll die, So don't

1051
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.280
<v Speaker 14>fall off, just let wrong. That was my fear slash

1052
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 14>flow state, and it's been a huge part of everything

1053
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 14>I do, the same as like going in this scene.

1054
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 14>For me, that's like.

1055
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<v Speaker 1>Scary, and for Peter it's the.

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00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 14>Ocean is his sort of his world, the ocean created him.

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00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 14>For me, I have to the smallest thing just because

1058
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:26.000
<v Speaker 14>of my physiology. I can't cope with it. And there's

1059
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 14>a spirit I've had a long ongoing relationship with, but

1060
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 14>it's really comes to that the nature of that relationship

1061
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 14>is a series of nightmares essentially, in which I have

1062
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 14>to confront intensely frightening death kind of experiences and the

1063
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 14>Spirit will keep giving me these and I recognize the

1064
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:56.519
<v Speaker 14>signature in it, and they're like they're particular watery signature

1065
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:58.920
<v Speaker 14>that I recognize this spirit by that. This is that

1066
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 14>the whole dream experience itself is me being immersed in

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00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 14>the world that the Spirit has given me for the dream.

1068
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 14>And they're always to do with confronting fear, and so

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00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 14>there has been several sort of nightmare initiations, let's say,

1070
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:16.760
<v Speaker 14>where I have to keep going through it until I'm

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00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 14>able to confront that fear, and then everything just transforms.

1072
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.519
<v Speaker 14>In that moment when I can steady myself and become

1073
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 14>lucid in the dream and recognize what it is, then

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00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 14>everything changes. And the other thing I wanted to say,

1075
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 14>getting back to what Jin and I think Nick was

1076
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.960
<v Speaker 14>saying about eschatology and end times and relationship of this too.

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00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:46.760
<v Speaker 14>I'm very interested in the approach that DH Lawrence took

1078
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 14>in his book Apocalypse to Revelation, which is interesting to

1079
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 14>parallel with Crowley's which is kind of a similar time.

1080
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.880
<v Speaker 14>And he looked at it and he said that it's

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00:58:56.920 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 14>the woman holding the cup that walks out of revelation.

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00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 14>The one interesting thing, you know, the life that goes

1083
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.960
<v Speaker 14>beyond that. It's the woman holding the cup Babylon. So

1084
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 14>Croley's Babylon is one aspect of that divine, suppressed, demonized feminine,

1085
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.320
<v Speaker 14>sacred feminine, and it's our feminine the West, which is

1086
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.599
<v Speaker 14>where I see that parallel with the like Graderaiana tradition,

1087
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 14>that that's demonic, but it's not demonic, because it's actually

1088
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 14>our way through our history, our way through our karma,

1089
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.599
<v Speaker 14>is to confront who she is, which is what this

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00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:34.840
<v Speaker 14>sort of work of excavation that Peter and I have

1091
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 14>done with Babylon since the Red Goddess and through the

1092
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 14>essays collected in the Brazen Berselon and various talks and

1093
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 14>things we've given. And there's a different eschatology with Babylon

1094
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.679
<v Speaker 14>if you take it back to her origins in the

1095
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.119
<v Speaker 14>Near and Middle East and the earliest rising of this

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00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:54.559
<v Speaker 14>figure with inanna Ishta, she returns from her underworld journey.

1097
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.239
<v Speaker 14>She is the first born of the dead in recorded history.

1098
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 14>It's not Jesus that come back in Dubaya's death, it's

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01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.400
<v Speaker 14>actually an ana Ishtar. And she's both a woman and

1100
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 14>a goddess. She's the priester, she's the new gig. She's

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01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:12.119
<v Speaker 14>the taboo woman or the sacred woman. And this return

1102
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:18.000
<v Speaker 14>from the underworld is more like the female erotic. There's

1103
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 14>like an erotic feminine way of seeing aspatology, which is

1104
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 14>countless cycles, as you said, cyclic time rather than linear

1105
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 14>time that just ends and we've fall off the cliff.

1106
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 14>It's like, yeah, the body dies, but the spirit goes

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01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 14>on and things just keep you. We are recycled. Like

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01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 14>I see our matters as absolutely sacred and intertwined with spirit.

1109
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.320
<v Speaker 14>There is no difference. But we're just particles. The water

1110
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:46.880
<v Speaker 14>that makes our body was born out of stars which

1111
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.159
<v Speaker 14>died billions of years ago. We are stars. We are

1112
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 14>made of this stuff. This is our consciousness. Water is

1113
01:00:54.199 --> 01:01:01.840
<v Speaker 14>one unified field that light and beauty and spirit. It

1114
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.679
<v Speaker 14>exists and travels through and speaks to us through. So

1115
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 14>following Babylon out of revelation is one way to get

1116
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:15.519
<v Speaker 14>beyond that. You know that the climactic, you know, cut

1117
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.239
<v Speaker 14>off of the sort of the male sexual response that

1118
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.159
<v Speaker 14>is sort of like has been written into the and anyway,

1119
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.280
<v Speaker 14>I think male sexuality is completely misunderstood. But I think

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01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:31.000
<v Speaker 14>that this idea that things just end is so linear,

1121
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 14>and I think the feminine brings back this sense that

1122
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.760
<v Speaker 14>we just go round, the cycle goes again, our bodies

1123
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.719
<v Speaker 14>are reconfigured as other things. You know, I'm no longer

1124
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.480
<v Speaker 14>frightened of dying because it's just the body that ends.

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01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 14>And my energy is already more than my body can bear.

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01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 14>So I do when I come back next time, I

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01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 14>will be hench or whatever.

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01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.440
<v Speaker 14>I lived, but I'm still not strong enough for what

1130
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 14>I have to do in the world. And yeah, I

1131
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 14>totally know that things keep going. But just there were

1132
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:06.960
<v Speaker 14>so many interesting points you made. I just wanted to

1133
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.880
<v Speaker 14>touch each of those that you had said. Thank you.

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01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.840
<v Speaker 5>That was really beautiful. Sorry, I know I said I

1135
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.360
<v Speaker 5>was going to be quiet for a little while. Just

1136
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 5>I have to follow up with something.

1137
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that.

1138
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.039
<v Speaker 5>I think it's really profound because when I spoke to

1139
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.400
<v Speaker 5>Gregory Peters with Soral, the other brother who wrote in

1140
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.960
<v Speaker 5>the question, we talked a little bit about the etymology

1141
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.079
<v Speaker 5>of the word tntra, and a lot of Western practitioners

1142
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 5>aren't super familiar. They're more like they know ton tata

1143
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.960
<v Speaker 5>meaning like too weave beyond the stars. But if you know,

1144
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.159
<v Speaker 5>because I'm a spend Buddhist, we call it tontra tontata,

1145
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 5>meaning that it is actually the goddess Tara, whose name

1146
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 5>means star. So I always thought that's so interesting because

1147
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 5>obviously anana Ishtar there is like a stellar component. We

1148
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 5>would say that she's self combusting. Now what does that

1149
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.679
<v Speaker 5>exactly mean? Well, to figure that out for yourself. But

1150
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.239
<v Speaker 5>I just think that's really beautiful, because yeah, we are

1151
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.800
<v Speaker 5>made of stars. We are luminous and massless and infinite

1152
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.920
<v Speaker 5>in our capacities. And I think that what Contred has

1153
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.320
<v Speaker 5>taught me, maybe the most fundamentally, is yes, the wisdom

1154
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.119
<v Speaker 5>exists as a method to get there there, and it

1155
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.280
<v Speaker 5>doesn't really belong to anyone, like she doesn't belong to anyone,

1156
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 5>especially for our conception. She's postgnostic, post conceptual. She is

1157
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 5>not made of aggregates, she is not made of our perceptions.

1158
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:34.679
<v Speaker 5>So I think very much it coincides exactly with what

1159
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 5>you said, And so I just want to follow up

1160
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 5>with an actual question. Apologize, I know kind of a neanderer.

1161
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.559
<v Speaker 5>What is the relationship with Lucifer and Babylon and how

1162
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 5>would you sort of reconcile it or codify it.

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01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.559
<v Speaker 14>We just answer that question the other day.

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01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 1>It's probably the best.

1165
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:07.679
<v Speaker 14>It's the way I configure it in my head to

1166
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 14>try to make sense of what we've got in the

1167
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 14>tradition is that if you look at Revelation, Babylon is

1168
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 14>described as the mother of harlots and the abominations.

1169
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Of the earth.

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01:04:20.440 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 14>The harlots are well, it's related to idolatry. Both harlow

1171
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.840
<v Speaker 14>try and the idea of abominations are like idols and idolatry,

1172
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:32.880
<v Speaker 14>and they're the sort of false religions and so on.

1173
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:38.360
<v Speaker 14>But the harlots are also equivalent to the women who

1174
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Speaker 14>mate with the angels in the anochic literature, because they're

1175
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:50.679
<v Speaker 14>they're exogamously, you know, having relationship with the angels and

1176
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 14>creating abominations. The abominations they create are in their floom

1177
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.719
<v Speaker 14>and the giants, and so the spirit tradition that we

1178
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:04.639
<v Speaker 14>in in the West, the demonological tradition, the giants are

1179
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 14>not the giants. The spirits are understood as the ghosts

1180
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.920
<v Speaker 14>of the dead giants and levolous. So as if you

1181
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 14>think that our spirit tradition that Lucifer is the head

1182
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:19.719
<v Speaker 14>of are like the progeny of these human these mortal

1183
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:21.599
<v Speaker 14>women with the angelic realm.

1184
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Of the heavenly rum.

1185
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 14>It means that there's something born both of the Earth,

1186
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.159
<v Speaker 14>but also that they're sired by the heavens. And I

1187
01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:34.159
<v Speaker 14>see this relationship therefore with Babylon and lucifers, that they

1188
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.159
<v Speaker 14>are both. You can relate both of them to the

1189
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:41.519
<v Speaker 14>Morning Star, to Venus. And I've also spoken a lot

1190
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 14>about how give a talk about how there are a

1191
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:49.559
<v Speaker 14>lot of astral configurations which are related and stars which

1192
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.800
<v Speaker 14>are related to Babylon. So they're not limited. It's not

1193
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:56.360
<v Speaker 14>like some clear identity. She is Venus and Lucifer is Venus.

1194
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:58.920
<v Speaker 14>It's not that at all. It's that these currents, these

1195
01:05:59.079 --> 01:05:59.920
<v Speaker 14>energies are false.

1196
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:01.320
<v Speaker 11>Is have.

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01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:14.559
<v Speaker 14>Draw from these astral configurations or beings, heavenly beings what

1198
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 14>they are, and that there's a sort of relationship they are.

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01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:23.239
<v Speaker 14>They are oriented towards the future. There's she's kind of

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01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.639
<v Speaker 14>the head of it. She's like the source of everything,

1201
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:30.039
<v Speaker 14>She's the mother of these these things. But Lucifer himself

1202
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.320
<v Speaker 14>is also like the the underworld, the first to die,

1203
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 14>the King and the underworld. Does this make any sense? Yea,

1204
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 14>And the underworld and the and the skies are also

1205
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.039
<v Speaker 14>the same. You know that it's the other world because

1206
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 14>you have this parallel between the cosonic and the heavenly,

1207
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 14>always this relationship. But as I said earlier, I try

1208
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 14>not to rationalize too much. It's just that when you

1209
01:06:57.320 --> 01:06:59.800
<v Speaker 14>look at Revelation, this beautiful language like the Mother of

1210
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.840
<v Speaker 14>Lots and abominations of the Earth kind of gives you

1211
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:09.039
<v Speaker 14>that key to fit both Babylon and the sort of

1212
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:13.599
<v Speaker 14>demonological tradition in a post together, in a post Qristian

1213
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:18.239
<v Speaker 14>interpretation where we can actually take it forwards. And yeah,

1214
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.519
<v Speaker 14>that's kind of how I in my head.

1215
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:25.880
<v Speaker 5>She is the mother of the Leela. That is absolutely true.

1216
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.760
<v Speaker 5>It's her illusion, her world. She decides who she wants

1217
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:33.119
<v Speaker 5>to play, so absolutely, and so thank you so much

1218
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 5>for the answer.

1219
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1220
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Question question A question is have you guys read Promethea

1221
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 3>by Alan Moore.

1222
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:47.599
<v Speaker 10>A long time ago? Nice?

1223
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:49.679
<v Speaker 3>And the reason I bring it up is because of

1224
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 3>its almost exactly like the volume three, the last volume

1225
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 3>is exactly just everything we're talking about right now with

1226
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:01.559
<v Speaker 3>the eschatology and Babylon and even about what's going on

1227
01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 3>in culture today and where we're heading. Is that so

1228
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.840
<v Speaker 3>how Ellen Moore puts it, is that Babylon sits in

1229
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 3>a Banah, right, And that's when if I remember right,

1230
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.039
<v Speaker 3>and I could be wrong, as Promethea, as Sophie is

1231
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 3>climbing up the tree and being Promethea, she is witnessing

1232
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:24.000
<v Speaker 3>she runs into John Dee and she sees everybody on

1233
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.039
<v Speaker 3>the cubes, and then all of a sudden she has

1234
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.520
<v Speaker 3>this experience as she interacts with Promethea, the truest cent

1235
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:30.159
<v Speaker 3>of Promethea.

1236
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 10>And then she sees.

1237
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Both Babylon and Mary as the same individual but being

1238
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:42.199
<v Speaker 3>expressed in two different ways. And I highly recommend everyone

1239
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.479
<v Speaker 3>here and everyone listening to go and read how Elan

1240
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.399
<v Speaker 3>Moore poetically talks about beholding Mary as she is the

1241
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:54.800
<v Speaker 3>virgin and then beholding Babylon as the harlot and the whore,

1242
01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 3>and how we have both of those aspects within us.

1243
01:08:57.880 --> 01:09:01.119
<v Speaker 3>And then Sophie as Promethea goes up and she you know,

1244
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:04.560
<v Speaker 3>witnesses the Father in Chokmah and goes into Cather and

1245
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.359
<v Speaker 3>becomes all. But the thing about what Promethea is to

1246
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.960
<v Speaker 3>do after she understands these aspects of Babylon and the

1247
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Mother is that when she comes back into the material

1248
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.159
<v Speaker 3>realm of our kingdom of Earth, she is to aminetize

1249
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:25.640
<v Speaker 3>the escasion, and this looks to us as if everybody

1250
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:26.319
<v Speaker 3>is going crazy.

1251
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 10>It's like everyone's having this epileptic event.

1252
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.800
<v Speaker 3>And interesting enough, once we all go through this, and

1253
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Promethea brings everybody back into this singular room telling them

1254
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 3>that singular story as we are all being birthed into

1255
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 3>a new way of existing, a lot of really violent

1256
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:47.680
<v Speaker 3>things happen during that birth, because birth has pangs and

1257
01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.399
<v Speaker 3>it hurts, and so it's such an interesting thing that

1258
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:55.319
<v Speaker 3>way we view this apocalypse or this aescacion is that

1259
01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.439
<v Speaker 3>we both start to understand that inner Babylonian Harlot within us,

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<v Speaker 3>and we start to understand that inner Mary or that

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01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.399
<v Speaker 3>virgin that we're being birthed into. And so it's just

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<v Speaker 3>all these things that keep coming into my mind as

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about how then Lucifer and this like this

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<v Speaker 3>way of viewing self awareness, because for some reason for me,

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01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why, I keep having this idea of

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<v Speaker 3>Lucifer being the beholder and the one who helps us

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<v Speaker 3>understand the valuation between good and evil and how not

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01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 3>only are the gods gods, but we are I think

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01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Ike Baker said it, we are. It was it Jamie

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01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Paul Lamb or somebody was talking about how we are

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01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.760
<v Speaker 3>mortal gods as well as divine gods and the same breath,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's the only way to be born into

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01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:46.199
<v Speaker 3>that is to first die and have this experience of

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01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.680
<v Speaker 3>climbing up the tree as we go through it. And

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<v Speaker 3>then a side note was when you were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>how Jesus is real that again, I've just been integrated,

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01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and I did take a lot of entheogenic experiences while

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01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 3>like listening to Tool and reading Promethea at the same

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01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 3>time and meditating on those things. But there's a scene

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01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.680
<v Speaker 3>in as Promethea is experiencing Tipareth where you get to

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01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:12.560
<v Speaker 3>see all the Tiporethic sun gods and then you open

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01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.439
<v Speaker 3>up into a splash page and it's Jesus on the cross,

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01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:19.840
<v Speaker 3>and you know, and being all like the idea of like, well,

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01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:24.239
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter if he existed, it's that he is real

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01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 3>and more real than you or I, And this is

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01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:28.439
<v Speaker 3>the suffering that we all feel on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is kind of a fascinating, fascinating thing of

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<v Speaker 3>like how Babylon has been so and the idea of

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01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 3>Lucifer has been so integrated into Satanism, And I wonder

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<v Speaker 3>about how you guys feel about that, because I think

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01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.920
<v Speaker 3>that there's so many LARPers out there and Satanists who

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<v Speaker 3>want to intermingle this idea of what Luciferianism is and

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<v Speaker 3>then the idea of what Lucifer is truly doing to

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01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:54.359
<v Speaker 3>our world, and then all.

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<v Speaker 10>Of a sudden you get these like you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard for me not to like call Jason Georgianni

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01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.520
<v Speaker 3>such a poofed, but it's the idea that he's like

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<v Speaker 3>ruining the idea of what this Promethean fire character is

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01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.119
<v Speaker 3>supposed to truly be doing, and then telling people that

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<v Speaker 3>philosophers shouldn't be religious and all these other things. And

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<v Speaker 3>so it's such a very vast awkwards world that we

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01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:18.079
<v Speaker 3>live in where you get these Satanists like a Georgianni

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01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:21.560
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't truly have a practice and embodied but you

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01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 3>can see it in his reptilian face that's like, I

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01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:26.239
<v Speaker 3>don't understand.

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<v Speaker 10>And then you get a wave of individuals who are.

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<v Speaker 3>Following him, and then people like you who are actually

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01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:33.439
<v Speaker 3>seeming to be doing the good work, trying to spread

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01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.119
<v Speaker 3>the good message of what it truly means to bring

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01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:39.720
<v Speaker 3>upon this new technology for people to integrate their you know,

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01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:41.520
<v Speaker 3>their currents into this divine wave.

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<v Speaker 10>There's a question in there I watch want to know

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01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:45.279
<v Speaker 10>what you think about all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to say it's quite a lot of

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01:12:49.119 --> 01:13:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Georgiohny because I have been ear I know. I find

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01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 1>it interesting how much information he brings together, But I

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01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:09.640
<v Speaker 1>don't recognize the story that he builds out the material. Yeah,

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01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 1>so I think he's a I think he's a fascinating thinker.

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<v Speaker 1>But like all of these tricks to figures, you just

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01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:23.079
<v Speaker 1>this is him very very carefully because he places information.

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01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:26.560
<v Speaker 1>He makes all information look as if it's at the

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01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.119
<v Speaker 1>same level. When there's some information which is patently false,

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01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and there's some information which is like you know, is

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01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 1>more real, and he just puts it all together and

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01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:42.119
<v Speaker 1>he tells this fabulous stream of consciousness, super confident words

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01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:51.119
<v Speaker 1>dropping like genius level discourse. That's it's fun. It's fun,

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01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and I can see how it does as people, and

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01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I can see how it opens doors for people. So

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01:13:57.479 --> 01:13:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I quite like him at arm's length, but I don't

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01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:03.520
<v Speaker 1>agree conclusions. That's kind of how I am with with

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01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.600
<v Speaker 1>with Jason. But there aren't many people who've done this

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01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:09.840
<v Speaker 1>work is the real thing. So so when when I

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01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:12.239
<v Speaker 1>did practice, I like I sealed myself off from everything,

1334
01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.479
<v Speaker 1>so I didn't look at I didn't look at modern Lycatherians.

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01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I didn't need the satanic stuff I avoided. I didn't

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01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:22.600
<v Speaker 1>even really read the academic text. Like guy I always

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01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.199
<v Speaker 1>named pair facts. Now's brilliant satanic feminism.

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<v Speaker 14>Because it covers different material.

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01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Because it covers Brian, it covers different material, has a

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01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.439
<v Speaker 1>slightly different handle. And I try not to talk talk

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01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.680
<v Speaker 1>shit or throw shade about people who are working in

1342
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the field, so I can I can say positive things

1343
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:45.079
<v Speaker 1>about about some of the modern Luthafarians, but I think

1344
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>that there the problem is that they're all still trying

1345
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to create c cults. They're all still trying to create systems,

1346
01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.159
<v Speaker 1>little systems and little pyramid schemes. And here's my logo,

1347
01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.479
<v Speaker 1>and here's my badge, and here's mine. It's a bunch

1348
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of my bunch of it's my sixth art book series.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, fuck off, guys. This is like we're

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01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.760
<v Speaker 1>past that, Like we're not playing those games anymore. Like

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01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 1>we create things, which is why you know, this evening

1352
01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:17.640
<v Speaker 1>we're sitting here talking to to all you guys with

1353
01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:21.560
<v Speaker 1>all your radically different experiences, because this is where it

1354
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:25.279
<v Speaker 1>happens now, Like it doesn't happen in a here is

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01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 1>my closed spooky satanic cult, Like that's that's not the thing.

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01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:34.039
<v Speaker 1>That's like, it's open source. There is a time for privacy,

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01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and there is there is a time for secrecy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, individuals.

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<v Speaker 10>Of course, but.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, there's a great opportunity for us

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01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to talk honestly amongst each other as people who've had

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01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 1>remarkable experiences. I mean, Brandon, what you've been through with

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01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.479
<v Speaker 1>your enthogenic experiences, and I'm sure everyone here has had

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01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:03.199
<v Speaker 1>theogenic experiences. Now, like we've really got our hands on

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01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.239
<v Speaker 1>like the rocket fuel. We have more texts than CHRONI

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01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 1>could have ever dreamt off. We have more powerful tools

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01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and then could dreamt off. But it's very easy for

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01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:19.119
<v Speaker 1>us to be divided in groups squabbling over the attention economy,

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01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:23.319
<v Speaker 1>talking shit about one another and trying to sell products,

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01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and can we get past that, please humans? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we do not need to do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that's a that's a great Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that you said that, Peter, because it's very

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01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.319
<v Speaker 5>it's very similar to something we spoke about. We were

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01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:43.119
<v Speaker 5>had scheduled a I g oh, call influencer. We'll call her,

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01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 5>and she veiled and so we had a kind of

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01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.840
<v Speaker 5>round table and we talked a lot about aonic thinking

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01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.359
<v Speaker 5>and sort of the nick said, like, you know, all

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01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:55.159
<v Speaker 5>these guys who are the heads of the Oto or

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01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.279
<v Speaker 5>the Temple of Said or whatever it is, they're all

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01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:59.800
<v Speaker 5>getting old. And it's not I'm not saying it as

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01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.760
<v Speaker 5>like aspersive way. I'm just they are fading, and with

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01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.640
<v Speaker 5>them will fade the old in a way. And so

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<v Speaker 5>in my idea, the a of the Daughter is that

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01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:13.840
<v Speaker 5>we are leaving the institutional frame as well as perhaps

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01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:18.520
<v Speaker 5>also the longhouse, which is not necessarily tied to women

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01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.680
<v Speaker 5>as a whole, but just sort of like the sort

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01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.520
<v Speaker 5>of scold culture that has arisen. I think Peter has

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01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 5>addressed this many times that has arisen in the last

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01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:31.520
<v Speaker 5>like twenty years, in this way of like keeping people's consciousness.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's sort of what's interesting about both

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01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:38.600
<v Speaker 5>Luciferianism and contemporary Setianism is that it is about breaking

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01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 5>conceptual frameworks. And I think, like to respond to what

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01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Brandon said, like for me because I relate the sephra

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01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.920
<v Speaker 5>to the Mahavija like the ten Contra goddesses. For me,

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<v Speaker 5>she's not fixed in any sephra. She is all the sephra.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you encounter them in the sephra, they might

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01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.840
<v Speaker 5>take a different form or based on my or the

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01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:04.840
<v Speaker 5>whatever mythopoetic framework that I'm using. But I never This

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<v Speaker 5>is the one thing where I differed from hermeticabala is

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01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:11.079
<v Speaker 5>that I never saw that just it's not just been

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01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.800
<v Speaker 5>off for me, Like there can be a widow.

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01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Goddess that rises at hope mode, for instance.

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01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.319
<v Speaker 5>Like there are different kind of polarities that you can

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01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.680
<v Speaker 5>understand that work in each one. It's not just you know,

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01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 5>there are different appearance existence forms.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, I apologize.

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<v Speaker 10>And I that's jinn.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely get your point, and I agree, especially for

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01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:34.479
<v Speaker 3>the idea that in every sephra, every other sephra is there.

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01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:34.760
<v Speaker 10>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the idea, the one in the ten and

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01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:39.239
<v Speaker 3>the ten in the all type of ideas that it's

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01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.760
<v Speaker 3>not just this tun dimensional thing, but within everything is

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01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:45.920
<v Speaker 3>everything else. And I think what Ellen's trying to get

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01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:47.960
<v Speaker 3>at when he's talking about those things is that he's

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01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:51.800
<v Speaker 3>understanding that we need for a general audience, because he's

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01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:55.479
<v Speaker 3>writing this book for fucking Vertigo or some shit, is

1419
01:18:55.520 --> 01:19:00.520
<v Speaker 3>that he needs to be able to explain this modernized

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01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:03.079
<v Speaker 3>grimoire to a masses of individuals.

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01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:05.239
<v Speaker 10>So then what you want to do is you want.

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<v Speaker 3>To use the Tree of Life as a cabinet system

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01:19:07.640 --> 01:19:10.520
<v Speaker 3>and then have it understood as a certain kind of

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01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.880
<v Speaker 3>archetype that is in every sufferra. So as Sophia merges

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<v Speaker 3>with the true Promethea, that archetype, which is become that

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01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:21.520
<v Speaker 3>egger Gore, which was a real person in that world.

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01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.439
<v Speaker 3>She merges with that so she can then come back

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01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:28.279
<v Speaker 3>to the world to bring on revelation, and in doing

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01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.439
<v Speaker 3>so she walks through and then witnesses these two the

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01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Saturnian figures this, yeah, the Mary and the Harlot and

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01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.600
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, and then that is that characters

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<v Speaker 3>in path of individuation, her own hero s's journey as

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01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.319
<v Speaker 3>she is to then go and bring upon this thing,

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01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.199
<v Speaker 3>because she has to witness every aspect as she climbs

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01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.159
<v Speaker 3>up the tree. So I'm what I'm saying is I

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<v Speaker 3>completely I agree with with you, with you in that

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01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 3>kind of way, because my own my girlfriend. Also she's

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01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:01.159
<v Speaker 3>she's a Buddhist practicing Buddhist, and so it's like her

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01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:03.239
<v Speaker 3>and I argue all the time, where does the Buddhist

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01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:04.680
<v Speaker 3>sit on the tree? Where are these things sit on

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01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:06.840
<v Speaker 3>the tree? And it's like it's fun to do that

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01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.880
<v Speaker 3>with a loved one or a friend, but it's like

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01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 3>we're all just like we're just sparring intellectually. So then

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01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:15.039
<v Speaker 3>when we bring it to the masses, we have a

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01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.039
<v Speaker 3>better way of trying to It's like how when I

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01:20:17.039 --> 01:20:20.680
<v Speaker 3>teach martial arts, it's every person I am talking to

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01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 3>has their own bodily mental mind experience in things, and

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01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.199
<v Speaker 3>so how I teach one person hungar or when chun

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01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.359
<v Speaker 3>or tai chi is not, then how I'm going to

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01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.319
<v Speaker 3>do it to the other person, even though I still

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01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:34.920
<v Speaker 3>have these set systems that I'm trying to express and

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01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.159
<v Speaker 3>pull out of each individual's bodily experience in the world.

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01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, And just to respond quickly, Brandon, is that I

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01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.399
<v Speaker 5>always say, like, just like David ham Smith, I know

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01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:47.239
<v Speaker 5>he gets brought up like every episode that I'm on

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01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 5>and apologize. But you approach the tree non dually with

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01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:55.840
<v Speaker 5>body cheetah framework and from the middle path and like

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01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.760
<v Speaker 5>it will unfold like in the part as system, you know,

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01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.239
<v Speaker 5>like the five. That's why the five as well. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think I agree that it's all reconcilable. But I

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<v Speaker 5>also agree with what was said before, like you don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to rationalize everything. Maybe that's just for like your

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01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:14.159
<v Speaker 5>autistic cabalistic practice like me, like in private, but I

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01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:16.880
<v Speaker 5>don't need to necessarily relate that to everyone, which I

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01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.880
<v Speaker 5>think alo speaks to what Peter and Als said about,

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01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:22.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, teaching people the inner outer in secret and

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01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:25.399
<v Speaker 5>how Alan Moore kind of blends, which is a very

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01:21:25.439 --> 01:21:30.000
<v Speaker 5>contract conceptualization of blending outer inner outer and secret teachings

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01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:32.840
<v Speaker 5>and calling them maybe even different things like saying this

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01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.439
<v Speaker 5>is a secret teaching, but it's actually an outer teaching,

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01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:39.199
<v Speaker 5>but you're presenting it as a secret mystery. So I mean,

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01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm very familiar with the chaos magicians. They love to

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01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.840
<v Speaker 5>do this. It is what it is. Even Crowley does

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01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:45.359
<v Speaker 5>it a little.

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01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.439
<v Speaker 3>So Alan Moore is not a chaos magician and he

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01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:49.880
<v Speaker 3>hates Grant Morrison just for that.

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01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:51.439
<v Speaker 10>I just want to make that very known.

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01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.960
<v Speaker 5>I think that he probably borrows some ideas.

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01:21:55.279 --> 01:22:00.520
<v Speaker 7>How can we not yeah, and bring back books for

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01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.079
<v Speaker 7>a second, as I know we're supposed to kind of

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01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:05.760
<v Speaker 7>wind down in just a minute, like speaking of that

1483
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:10.600
<v Speaker 7>difference between the secret cults doing their secret cult stuff

1484
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:14.399
<v Speaker 7>and then on the other end, like the total open source.

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01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to ask our lovely folks from Scarlett Imprint, like,

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01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.359
<v Speaker 7>what was your intention behind starting the press and did

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01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:25.279
<v Speaker 7>you think that it was going to go along as

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01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:29.359
<v Speaker 7>long as it has and be so impactful. And one

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01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.159
<v Speaker 7>of the things I really love about how you guys

1490
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:34.279
<v Speaker 7>run that is there's so many different ways to obtain

1491
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:37.520
<v Speaker 7>the books, whereas we see a lot of occult publishers

1492
01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:40.720
<v Speaker 7>where they only will release like I don't know, fifty

1493
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:44.159
<v Speaker 7>editions bound in nice goat with the embossing and like,

1494
01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 7>don't get me wrong, I absolutely love that stuff, but

1495
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:49.680
<v Speaker 7>I really really appreciate that you guys also make the

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01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:52.920
<v Speaker 7>digital editions like super super affordable for people in the

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01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:57.399
<v Speaker 7>paperbacks as unlimited editions. And I'm just curious about like

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01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:02.920
<v Speaker 7>that kind of original spark of creating that press, publishing

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01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:07.239
<v Speaker 7>your own work and also publishing incredibly interesting other voices.

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01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:09.119
<v Speaker 7>And if you could just speak to that a bit,

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01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:11.359
<v Speaker 7>I think everyone probably really loved to hear about that.

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01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:16.239
<v Speaker 14>You stop.

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01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So we started Skoleton Grin in an occult world, which

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01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:27.479
<v Speaker 1>in England was really Morgan like it was. It was

1505
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>it was dying. There was nothing happening, there were there

1506
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:36.640
<v Speaker 1>were no presses. The previous generation of chaos magicians were

1507
01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:40.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of like winding down essentially, so there wasn't a

1508
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>great deal of energy in the scene in it. And

1509
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.600
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to I wanted with the first edition of

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01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.640
<v Speaker 1>The Red Goddess, I wanted to produce a magical, talismanic

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01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:52.479
<v Speaker 1>book would go out to the world and change everything.

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01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:59.479
<v Speaker 1>And and we we quickly.

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01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.239
<v Speaker 14>We didn't really produce one hundred and fifty six because

1514
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.039
<v Speaker 14>we could have thought, but also we really didn't think.

1515
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>That there would be any interest.

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01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.760
<v Speaker 14>So we like wrote we had a few people on

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01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:14.279
<v Speaker 14>Peter's like what was it live journal contact list from

1518
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.920
<v Speaker 14>live journal days, and like wrote to them individually and said,

1519
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:20.119
<v Speaker 14>we're doing this. And I think there was some like

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01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:21.880
<v Speaker 14>online forum you opened it on.

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01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:23.640
<v Speaker 8>It was like so small.

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01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:25.640
<v Speaker 14>It took ages to sell these one hundred and fifty

1523
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:31.800
<v Speaker 14>copies and then you just well, howling has happened because

1524
01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:37.520
<v Speaker 14>the flat got filled with spirits. It was very strange,

1525
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:41.920
<v Speaker 14>and we did a divination and it had to do

1526
01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.279
<v Speaker 14>with the Gosha of Solomon. So we kind of went

1527
01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.560
<v Speaker 14>down that route and produced howlings out of that, out

1528
01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:50.560
<v Speaker 14>of the sort of like, okay, what's in these.

1529
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:56.479
<v Speaker 1>There's something there? What are people doing with people? So

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01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>like I knew a lot of well I knew enough

1531
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>contemporary pas editions to say, well, magic, like where are

1532
01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:08.479
<v Speaker 1>the people who are doing things? What are theitioner accounts?

1533
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Not not not an academic approach, not a here's another

1534
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>historical approach, but to say, what are people doing out there?

1535
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's share our experiences. And we're always we've always

1536
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:22.279
<v Speaker 1>been fundamentally democratic. So although we make very nice books,

1537
01:25:23.479 --> 01:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it's important to us because you know, we were students too,

1538
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Like we were poor too. I mean we're not rich now,

1539
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>but like to be able to say to people, look,

1540
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you can get a paperback just here's information.

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01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:38.640
<v Speaker 13>Limits information that a limit it to people who have

1542
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:42.520
<v Speaker 13>deep pockets to say, to say, we can change the

1543
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:46.800
<v Speaker 13>world with a paperback book, and we can change the world.

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01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:51.000
<v Speaker 14>With a fine edition bound in leather. And the thing

1545
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:53.479
<v Speaker 14>is a fine edition will last for hundreds of years

1546
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:55.960
<v Speaker 14>and maybe you know, ends up somewhere and will survive

1547
01:25:56.079 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 14>cataclysms because someone's put it somewhere very safe. Paperback the

1548
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:04.000
<v Speaker 14>last few years. Digital editions will disappear as soon as

1549
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:06.560
<v Speaker 14>the electricity goes down. So everything, but it can have

1550
01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.199
<v Speaker 14>an impact in a wider It can have a digital

1551
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.199
<v Speaker 14>edition or a paperback can have a print on demand

1552
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:14.279
<v Speaker 14>because they're available through Amazon, and a lot of our

1553
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.760
<v Speaker 14>books is print on demand, and so the quality is

1554
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:20.119
<v Speaker 14>like not great, it's not bad, which is not great,

1555
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:22.239
<v Speaker 14>but it does like it can get to more people

1556
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:25.399
<v Speaker 14>and so have like a bigger reach and that can

1557
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:29.840
<v Speaker 14>transform people. But also a hard back that's nicely bound

1558
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.000
<v Speaker 14>might last longer, might have a longer life, might pass

1559
01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:36.399
<v Speaker 14>through several hands and find more people. And so it's

1560
01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:39.079
<v Speaker 14>about that approach that you can have books that work

1561
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.760
<v Speaker 14>in different ways, that carry the material out into the

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01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.800
<v Speaker 14>world and have that different relationship with the people that

1563
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.359
<v Speaker 14>they come into contact with. So it was really about

1564
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:50.720
<v Speaker 14>making and it happened because we just grew, like we

1565
01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:54.119
<v Speaker 14>didn't think we'd carry on doing it. It just it's

1566
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.520
<v Speaker 14>just kept happening. Like I'm always surprised when people by

1567
01:26:57.600 --> 01:26:59.760
<v Speaker 14>because we also do very personal stuff. We're not trying

1568
01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:05.199
<v Speaker 14>to be like everything we're trying. Yeah, books are alive exactly.

1569
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:09.119
<v Speaker 14>We are not trying to be the best of cult

1570
01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:11.279
<v Speaker 14>publisher or any of that. We want to do something

1571
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:14.680
<v Speaker 14>very personal, very individual, and like our own. You know

1572
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.319
<v Speaker 14>what really speaks to us because there are so many

1573
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.600
<v Speaker 14>publishers now doing those things for themselves, do those things.

1574
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 14>So what's interesting is too, like we're putting out The

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01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:28.359
<v Speaker 14>next book we'll put out is a very interesting book

1576
01:27:28.399 --> 01:27:31.279
<v Speaker 14>of poetry. It will probably be bought by two hundred

1577
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.119
<v Speaker 14>people in the world maximum. This is like as far

1578
01:27:34.199 --> 01:27:37.920
<v Speaker 14>as these things go. But I find there's something extraordinary

1579
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.880
<v Speaker 14>about the writer and what his work is and what

1580
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:44.199
<v Speaker 14>he's done. So I really feel that it's necessary to

1581
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:47.680
<v Speaker 14>put out both something like Peter Mark Adams Game of Saturn,

1582
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.439
<v Speaker 14>which has had a huge impact on people, but also

1583
01:27:50.520 --> 01:27:54.479
<v Speaker 14>the very like arcane stuff which might only get to

1584
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:59.920
<v Speaker 14>a few people. And it's it's just that it's got

1585
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.359
<v Speaker 14>to be personal, and it's got to have integrity, and

1586
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:05.560
<v Speaker 14>it's got to not be restricted in this Oh, but

1587
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:09.319
<v Speaker 14>you can't afford the nice edition. And yeah, and like

1588
01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:11.560
<v Speaker 14>the academic books are like that too. I love so

1589
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:13.640
<v Speaker 14>many I see so many books from brill that I

1590
01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:16.319
<v Speaker 14>wish I could afford, but it's like it's not happening.

1591
01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:20.359
<v Speaker 14>So we are really just trying to do something which

1592
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.960
<v Speaker 14>is both completely independent. We're too small to be We're

1593
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:28.079
<v Speaker 14>small enough to exist in the cracks, is what I'm saying. Well,

1594
01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:30.479
<v Speaker 14>it's like kind of witchcraft to exist in the cracks

1595
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:35.520
<v Speaker 14>between what's meant to exist, but you're allowed to. We

1596
01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:38.479
<v Speaker 14>can just about survive and function and do this thing.

1597
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.960
<v Speaker 14>And then you know, maybe it takes people. It opens

1598
01:28:43.039 --> 01:28:46.479
<v Speaker 14>up into other people's whilst in ways that we can't

1599
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.399
<v Speaker 14>control and aren't interested in controlling. You know, it's down

1600
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:54.079
<v Speaker 14>to everybody else's individual inspiration and genius to take things further.

1601
01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And we just love works. Yeah, because you know, as

1602
01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, we're talking about a body, and so

1603
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>probably I can probably roll all this back together again.

1604
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:07.159
<v Speaker 1>So the thing with the book is that it's built

1605
01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:09.159
<v Speaker 1>on the size of the body. So it's built on

1606
01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>how big it is to fit in your hand, how

1607
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:13.439
<v Speaker 1>far that has to be for you to read it.

1608
01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Like the book is, the book comes out of the body.

1609
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:22.319
<v Speaker 1>And when we're talking also about about fear, and we're

1610
01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>talking about the disruption of people through the online media

1611
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and just the endless pressure and the bitching and the

1612
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:34.039
<v Speaker 1>attention seeking. If you read a book, then you're regaining

1613
01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>control of your attention span. If you have a physical

1614
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:39.479
<v Speaker 1>book and you like you read a you read a

1615
01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:44.439
<v Speaker 1>chapter a day, then you will you will significantly REWI

1616
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:47.199
<v Speaker 1>you're brave and the damage that you're doing to it

1617
01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>with doom scrolling, and you start to see the world

1618
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>in a different way. And when the lights go off,

1619
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>when everything goes wrong, you've got books on your shelf.

1620
01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>You can sing, you can read a book. You can

1621
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:00.399
<v Speaker 1>read a book out loud to your lover, the fox

1622
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:07.079
<v Speaker 1>like week books to each other. Incredible piece. I have

1623
01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>never never beaten the technology.

1624
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:11.920
<v Speaker 14>I think it's like it's like a shock. Books are

1625
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:16.600
<v Speaker 14>like shocks. They have already reached the perfect form. It's

1626
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:18.520
<v Speaker 14>just variations on a perfect form.

1627
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:20.359
<v Speaker 10>Now we're just doing what.

1628
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:22.359
<v Speaker 14>We can to do that thing.

1629
01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:26.319
<v Speaker 10>Yeah. I love that. As Colan said, right, the medium

1630
01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:27.079
<v Speaker 10>is the message.

1631
01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:32.439
<v Speaker 16>Thank you for.

1632
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.319
<v Speaker 7>Of course. I can talk about books forever.

1633
01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.279
<v Speaker 5>And I just scarlet imprint is the best. I am

1634
01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:43.319
<v Speaker 5>friendly with a lot of inner traditions. People shout out

1635
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.560
<v Speaker 5>Toby Chappel and the whole crew, but I have to say,

1636
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:49.159
<v Speaker 5>for me, it's scarlet imprint. So I'm just saying that

1637
01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.239
<v Speaker 5>not in hopes to get you on my Showkeater, but

1638
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:51.880
<v Speaker 5>you know.

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01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.760
<v Speaker 6>The traditions like set this out on how many authorisdes Yeah,

1640
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.319
<v Speaker 6>was there anything else that you would like? You too,

1641
01:31:04.359 --> 01:31:06.720
<v Speaker 6>would like to even add before we start to wrap

1642
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:08.479
<v Speaker 6>it up. Maybe you'd like to say something about it.

1643
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:12.159
<v Speaker 6>I guess maybe anything really, anything you want to leave

1644
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:12.399
<v Speaker 6>us with.

1645
01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Anything you just I think we're in a really good stay.

1646
01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I think we have an occult community with

1647
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:28.079
<v Speaker 1>a whole range of powerful publishers with different voices at

1648
01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>different price points that are making stuff available. We have

1649
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.439
<v Speaker 1>online communities like this which are allowing people to have

1650
01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>conversations in real time, which is hugely important. We've had

1651
01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:42.840
<v Speaker 1>some brilliant conferences like your Culture conference in Berlin last

1652
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:46.319
<v Speaker 1>year was like just super just to have people and

1653
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>bodies in space, because people in space don't talk shit

1654
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>because there are consequences. So over on meet on a

1655
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.359
<v Speaker 1>level and you realize what people are like, and you

1656
01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:58.439
<v Speaker 1>learn a lot more from people that way than you

1657
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:03.399
<v Speaker 1>do anywhere else. So we're in a in a dangerous,

1658
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:08.239
<v Speaker 1>unpredictable world. But I think as a community to practitioners.

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01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 1>It's just wonderful to continue to share and to drive

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01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the tradition onwards.

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01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:19.079
<v Speaker 14>I think, Yeah, I agree. We've got apocalypse coming anyway

1662
01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:30.600
<v Speaker 14>in maybe twenty years or something. Yeah, probably, Yeah, within

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01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:36.279
<v Speaker 14>five years, we're on this side of the veil exactly.

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01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:40.000
<v Speaker 6>That was very well said. Thank you both for coming on.

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01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.279
<v Speaker 6>I thought that was a great discussion. There was a

1666
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:44.199
<v Speaker 6>lot of great stuff said. I know we kind of

1667
01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:46.239
<v Speaker 6>veered off a little bit off of like actual topic,

1668
01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:49.039
<v Speaker 6>but I was really glad that we got you on

1669
01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:53.000
<v Speaker 6>and everybody chimed in and the way it went. Before

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01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.520
<v Speaker 6>we wrap it up, I'll let everybody I just kind

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<v Speaker 6>of promote themselves again. We'll start over again with you

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<v Speaker 6>sabring over in the corner.

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<v Speaker 4>What is going on? Please let it by know where

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<v Speaker 4>they can find your work.

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<v Speaker 8>Hello.

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01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:04.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so you can find everything you need to know

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01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:08.119
<v Speaker 7>about me at Sabrinamscott dot com. I've got five books

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<v Speaker 7>out for journals, two podcasts. Too many things going on,

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01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:14.880
<v Speaker 7>but it's interesting, So check it out and say hello.

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01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.920
<v Speaker 7>I love connecting with folks in the space.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for letting me be here, of course, Oh, thank

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01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 4>you for joining and Jim the Ninja. What is going on? Please?

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01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>What is up?

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01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:23.800
<v Speaker 11>Boss?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for allowing this metamagic to happen,

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01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.600
<v Speaker 5>because it is an incredible honor. I know I'm a

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01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:34.039
<v Speaker 5>little goofy today probably, but it's just famboy nerves. So

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<v Speaker 5>I'll just we'll just say that the Tikinis are dancing

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<v Speaker 5>in my mind. But if you want to check me out,

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<v Speaker 5>you can check me out at wucom Reborn, w uk

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<v Speaker 5>O and g Reborn on Twitter x or the show

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01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:49.079
<v Speaker 5>at Threshold Saints on both ig and Twitter, or at

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01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:53.239
<v Speaker 5>Threshold Saints dot substack dot com. Of course, you can

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<v Speaker 5>find us at the Gray Lodge, which Matt Mura, of

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01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.079
<v Speaker 5>course is our webmaster, so at the True with a

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<v Speaker 5>V plus all try baby the True Gray Lodge dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>You can see all of our episodes and also the

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01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:08.640
<v Speaker 5>Threshold Saint's episodes with the members of the Gray Lodge

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01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:11.119
<v Speaker 5>and so shout out special shado out to Solar Exile

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<v Speaker 5>who couldn't make it but was here in spirit, and

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<v Speaker 5>also just.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's been an incredible couple weeks and just

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01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:23.279
<v Speaker 5>like this whole year, even though it's like we're transitioning

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01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.359
<v Speaker 5>not yet, but transitioning soon into the Year of the

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<v Speaker 5>fire Horse. I think in terms of generative discussions, progressive

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<v Speaker 5>theories of magic, and sort of aonic currents, I think

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<v Speaker 5>that we've been hitting it. So thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 5>Nick and everyone who made it to the panel.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, thank you for coming on. I appreciate it.

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01:34:42.680 --> 01:34:46.520
<v Speaker 4>And Brandon, please let everybody know what the final yostaf great.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Nick, thank you everyone, Thank you Scarlet Imprint. It's

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01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:53.479
<v Speaker 3>it's so amazing to meet you. I feel so lucky

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01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.439
<v Speaker 3>and so grateful for Nick that he allows me to

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01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:58.920
<v Speaker 3>come on here and then meet such fantastic individuals all

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01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:02.720
<v Speaker 3>around here. So yeah, please everyone go over to magas

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01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:06.800
<v Speaker 3>and the media at my YouTube channel, subscribe, like share

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01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 3>with your friends. We're trying to show everyone that magic

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01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:11.560
<v Speaker 3>is everywhere and all around us. I have all the

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01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:16.720
<v Speaker 3>things TikTok x Instagram. Also, if you ever and all

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01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:21.079
<v Speaker 3>are interested in learning the Path of the Warrior, head

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01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.760
<v Speaker 3>over to my Miraki Kung Fu instagram as well and

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01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.880
<v Speaker 3>dm me we can figure it out together. And again,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you all for this fantastic talk.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, thank you so I always appreciate your outlook on things,

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01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:40.439
<v Speaker 6>so thank you and Ethan please let everybody know what's up. Well.

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<v Speaker 9>That was so fun and the whole conversation reminded me

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<v Speaker 9>of the idea of the breakthrough. As people go through breaks,

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<v Speaker 9>that's the tough part and the breakthrough is the reward.

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<v Speaker 9>So let's keep putting forth that energy. I appreciate you guys,

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01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:01.840
<v Speaker 9>thank you so much. And I'm easy to find online.

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01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:06.640
<v Speaker 9>I share tit chi as well like Brandon, and I've

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01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.760
<v Speaker 9>written several books. Again, I like to think I'm easy

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<v Speaker 9>to find and look forward to more break breakthrough some

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<v Speaker 9>scot Press. Thank you so much for all your insights.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 11>And Matt sir, yes, thank everyone for the conversation. Was

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<v Speaker 11>really nice, especially Peter and was very nice. Men you guys,

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01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:31.640
<v Speaker 11>and yeah, you can always find me as at Met

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<v Speaker 11>Moore nineteen. That's going to be on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Twitch,

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01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:40.479
<v Speaker 11>co Hi maybe some other places. There's also my website

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<v Speaker 11>that's going to be Kabala dot com k A A

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<v Speaker 11>b A l a h dot com. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 11>there's the terrat little thing that I'm running, so you

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01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:51.359
<v Speaker 11>can find more information about that on my Twitter, pinpost

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01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:53.600
<v Speaker 11>or just d m me in any of these and

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<v Speaker 11>I'll be happy to share. Thanks again, Oh, thank you.

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01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:02.560
<v Speaker 4>And Helller's John my Man, thank you.

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<v Speaker 12>You can find me at the Headless Giant podcast at

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01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:08.359
<v Speaker 12>gmail dot com. If you have any crazy stories about

1751
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:12.439
<v Speaker 12>esoteric events or paranormal events, send it to us and

1752
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:16.199
<v Speaker 12>we'll read it out on Thursdays. And if you also

1753
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.840
<v Speaker 12>want to check out the Trialogus with Ethan Indigo that's

1754
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:23.239
<v Speaker 12>on Sunday mornings. We've been having some really good ones lately.

1755
01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:26.560
<v Speaker 12>But if you want to continue the conversation, you can

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01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:30.479
<v Speaker 12>find me on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 6>And before we wrap it up, Peter and Kissy, if

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<v Speaker 6>we would like to ed anything, you know, let everybody

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01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:40.439
<v Speaker 6>know where they can find your stuff, your website, whatever,

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01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:41.640
<v Speaker 6>whatever you like to plug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, just come and find us.

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<v Speaker 1>And o the website. So co and if thank you.

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<v Speaker 14>Good conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Really lovely to share share time with you guys.

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<v Speaker 16>And.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate you both.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we had an amazing discussion here today and

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01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:07.119
<v Speaker 6>it really felt great afterwards, so I appreciate it and

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<v Speaker 6>hopefully maybe in the future we'll get you on again.

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<v Speaker 6>And thank you everybody again, who was on the show.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate it and everybody in the chat. That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why I go live. I appreciate all the comments

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<v Speaker 6>and everything, and that is the end of another recult

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<v Speaker 6>rejects and until the next one.

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<v Speaker 4>Body be well later