Speaker 1: AI is literally inundating everything here in the United States.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's affecting other countries, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine those with a Western tent are feeling the
Speaker 1: same impact. And I am so fascinated by it. But
Speaker 1: I am using two systems, two applications. I'm using chet
Speaker 1: GPT and I'm using Venue AI, and I'm using Venice
Speaker 1: because chat GPT has certain restrictions on creating graphic photographs, photorealism,
Speaker 1: anything that hintset, nudity or whatever their guidance is inappropriate
Speaker 1: imagery is banned, and so Venice is open to that.
Speaker 1: And so I'm working with both of them right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm using chat gp for writing purposes because it
Speaker 1: can download vast amounts of data to pick and choose from. Now.
Speaker 1: One of the big problems, and many of you who
Speaker 1: are using AI know what I'm talking about, is it's
Speaker 1: providing the information that may not be true. It may
Speaker 1: be manipulating the truth, it may be false. It may
Speaker 1: present it like it's an actual fact, when in truth
Speaker 1: it's not. It's a presumption, and so you got to
Speaker 1: be very careful when you add it to a document.
Speaker 1: And I have friends that write white papers, scientific white papers,
Speaker 1: archaeological references and papers, and they use AI for reference
Speaker 1: material as well. But you have to be very careful.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, as I'm getting ready to publish another
Speaker 1: book and I need to talk to the editors about this,
Speaker 1: how do the editors determine what's real what's not, Because
Speaker 1: if they're sticking their neck out for a new author
Speaker 1: and the author is not being truthful, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're in line to be reprimanded or even sued
Speaker 1: depending on the information. I would think that they could
Speaker 1: be sued if they're making statements that could cause harm.
Speaker 1: And of course you have to write and present a
Speaker 1: statement at the head at the beginning of the book
Speaker 1: protecting yourself and that you're not responsible for anybody who
Speaker 1: uses a product or does something that could be dangerous.
Speaker 1: And so that's important. But I am really enjoying working
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence. And I got to say that I
Speaker 1: have been asking some very hard questions regarding the discovery
Speaker 1: of an Ice age civilization. This is a prediluvian civilization,
Speaker 1: and what the ramifications are. And in the very beginning,
Speaker 1: i'd say a year or two ago, you know, i'd
Speaker 1: say two years ago. When you ask the question like that,
Speaker 1: it would give you very straight answers like, well, there
Speaker 1: hasn't been any proof of a prediluvian civilization, Atlantis is
Speaker 1: a myth, and so forth and so on. But as
Speaker 1: you get better, and this is the key to working
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence, When you pose very specific questions and
Speaker 1: you phrase it in such a way, it actually helps.
Speaker 1: It helps you get the more quality answer with really
Speaker 1: really good data. And so I've been doing this off
Speaker 1: and on as an experient, and in our interview today
Speaker 1: with Mark doctor Mark Carlotto, Mark actually presents at the
Speaker 1: very beginning of his book a little paragraph that says
Speaker 1: supported by chat GPT for data analysis. And I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, well, that's that's a nice way to say
Speaker 1: that you've had help from AI. But he had the
Speaker 1: same problem that I did, and we'll hear about exactly
Speaker 1: what that was. But I want to play a real
Speaker 1: short voice activated AI response to a question I pose,
Speaker 1: which is what would be the reaction and the impact
Speaker 1: of a discovery of a prediluvian advanced civilization that was
Speaker 1: not known? And I'm only going to play a little
Speaker 1: bit of this because it goes on for about twelve
Speaker 1: was about fifteen minutes because the U the artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: reply is long winded. So I'm going to play just
Speaker 1: a few minutes of it here for you to listen to,
Speaker 1: and you'll get a sense you'll hear the question and
Speaker 1: then you'll hear the answer. So I'll just take a
Speaker 1: quick listen.
Speaker 2: Discovering an advanced prehistoric civilization twenty five thousand years old
Speaker 2: question post to AI chat GPT. If archaeologists uncovered clear, repeatable,
Speaker 2: testable evidence of a technologically advanced civilization twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: years ago, around twenty three thousand BCE deep in the
Speaker 2: last Ice Age, the impact would be massive, but not
Speaker 2: in the way conspiracy culture imagines it would unfold in phases,
Speaker 2: Let's walk through it one E. What would actually have
Speaker 2: to be found to overturn current models of prehistory? The
Speaker 2: discovery would need something like precision machined alloys dated securely
Speaker 2: to twenty five thousand years ago, semiconductor level materials embedded
Speaker 2: in undisturbed strata, complex energy systems, reactors, batteries, et cetera,
Speaker 2: written symbolic systems tied to engineered infrastructure, large scale urban
Speaker 2: planning beneath glacial layers, not mysterious stones, not carvings, not
Speaker 2: ambiguous anomalies. It would have to be unmistakably industrial or
Speaker 2: post industrial technology. If that level of evidence were confirmed
Speaker 2: by multiple labs worldwide. History would not suppress it. It
Speaker 2: would detonate academia in a productive way. Pwore immediate impact
Speaker 2: on archaeology and anthropology. Current consensus agriculture about ten thousand,
Speaker 2: twelve thousand years ago, cities about six thousand, seven thousand
Speaker 2: years ago, Bronze Age about five thousand years ago, industrialization
Speaker 2: about two hundred and fifty years ago. A twenty five
Speaker 2: zero zero zero year old advanced civilization would mean civilization
Speaker 2: predates agriculture. Complex societies emerged during the Ice Age. Our
Speaker 2: evolutionary timeline of social complexity is incomplete. Major population collapse
Speaker 2: events erased prior development. The field would pivot overnight. Universities
Speaker 2: would rewrite textbooks within a decade three What happens to
Speaker 2: human evolution theory. It wouldn't overturn evolution. It would force
Speaker 2: reevaluation of cultural development models, not biology. Charles Darwin remains intact.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to be trying out some different tests
Speaker 1: on other artificial intelligence that have more archaeological data storage.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure it'll make a difference, but it might.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to keep posing these questions about discovering
Speaker 1: a Prediluvian Ice Age civilization, Ice Age being the plesticne
Speaker 1: I think, what is it. It's over two million years
Speaker 1: to approximately eleven thousand years ago. That's a long long time.
Speaker 1: And so and we're gonna hear about this today. These
Speaker 1: different epics epochs, I should say, these different epochs have
Speaker 1: Ice Ages in them. So we'll hear about that from Mark.
Speaker 1: And so this is interesting data, This is important data.
Speaker 1: And I you know, have archaeologists on the program all
Speaker 1: the time, and it's important that they stay flexible. And
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of these civilizations that we
Speaker 1: recognize today, especially the old ones like Dynastic Egypt, some
Speaker 1: of the Peruvians, even the Maya, the Early Maya, will
Speaker 1: be continually redated as more artifacts are found. Plus, and
Speaker 1: this is one to really get your mind around. If
Speaker 1: we are reusing temples, pyramids, and other buildings and artifacts
Speaker 1: left to us by earlier ages, we're not going to
Speaker 1: know that they were created by an early Predynastic people
Speaker 1: or a Ice Age people. Because they were reused. And
Speaker 1: this is a big deal that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know about. When it comes to the Maya, different
Speaker 1: generations would modify and in some cases completely rebuild pyramids,
Speaker 1: temples and buildings and so and archaeologists pretty much know this,
Speaker 1: especially with Maya. I don't hear it so much in
Speaker 1: Egyptological terms. But these these buildings were repurposed. And so
Speaker 1: how are you going to know who the earlier people
Speaker 1: were that built the original temples or pyramids. The only
Speaker 1: way you're going to know is to dig into the pyramids,
Speaker 1: and that's just not done a lot right now. So
Speaker 1: lots to consider and lots lots to really salivate over,
Speaker 1: because as we begin to discover these things, and this
Speaker 1: is what my my problem with archaeology is right now
Speaker 1: is if you've got to stretch, you're thinking, you've got
Speaker 1: to move beyond these predisposed dates, and if your books
Speaker 1: are saying we have to hard stop at four thousand
Speaker 1: years because before that time we were hundreds of gatherers.
Speaker 1: You know what's go Beckley Tepio about that's twelve thousand
Speaker 1: years ago that place was put together, those subsurface temples.
Speaker 1: But the other thought is if we are repurposing or
Speaker 1: our ancestors repurposed existing buildings, that should be a whole
Speaker 1: different study, kind of like archaeo astronomy, where these buildings
Speaker 1: were aligned for certain equinoxes and solstices and star systems.
Speaker 1: And we're going to get into that today. And that's
Speaker 1: that's simply a mind blower because then you get into
Speaker 1: some really ancient time time periods. So today's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: So today's program is an inconvenient theory. This is a
Speaker 1: new book by doctor Mark Carloado, who is the guest today.
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Speaker 1: deal with anomaloist topics, his work is based on science,
Speaker 1: which I really like because it kind of gives us
Speaker 1: a grounds to work with. His new book is called
Speaker 1: an Inconvenient Theory Ages and Loss Civilizations. This is another
Speaker 1: look at not only Charles hapgood the crustal displacement theory,
Speaker 1: but also what has come out of that, some of
Speaker 1: the research that he has discovered, and some new ideas
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Speaker 1: talk about. So, hey, Mark, Welcome to Earth Ancients.
Speaker 3: How you doing good? Cliff? I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1: How's it? How's it going? You're in Virginia right?
Speaker 3: I know in Boston.
Speaker 1: Oh you're in Boston. Okay, So you're dealing with some
Speaker 1: pretty cold weather right now. I'm hearing so called sunny California.
Speaker 1: We're dealing with forty degree weather. Of course for you
Speaker 1: it's probably minus five or something, right.
Speaker 3: It's it's been pretty cold. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're building snowmen in snow women. Yes, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: What was the interest in this new book. Of course
Speaker 1: you're you're read visiting Charles Hapgood and that's a that's
Speaker 1: a big one right there. Talk about half Good? What
Speaker 1: what's a key for you that keeps driving your your
Speaker 1: needing to know. I mean he's talking about entire continents moving.
Speaker 1: His idea was that the Earth's crust is like an
Speaker 1: orange peel, and through different tectonic shifts, land masses are
Speaker 1: moving and not a few feet, we're talking significant movement.
Speaker 1: But what is it about half Good's theories that are
Speaker 1: of great interest to you?
Speaker 3: Well, his theories can explain a lot of things in
Speaker 3: a very simple way, and you know that's that's always
Speaker 3: appealing in science. He proposed that it was shifts of
Speaker 3: the Earth's crust moving different geographical regions, you know, into
Speaker 3: the polar zones that were responsible for the ice ages.
Speaker 3: I mean, even today, scientists have a hard time explaining
Speaker 3: how the ice ages work. They explain, they have a
Speaker 3: hard time explaining how all this ice melted twenty thousand
Speaker 3: years ago, right during elast Glacial max when the Earth
Speaker 3: was the coldest. Somehow all this ice melted, and the
Speaker 3: explanations are not very satisfying, and you know, fifty years later,
Speaker 3: you know, Hapgood's theory I think still is in contention
Speaker 3: for being a candidate explanation for some of these phenomena.
Speaker 1: During his lifetime he had the ear and brain of
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein, who acknowledged his work, and unfortunately he passed
Speaker 1: away before he could he could I don't know you
Speaker 1: could say validated. But what other important scientists believe that
Speaker 1: he's got something going here.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, his work appeared around the time Wagner's theory,
Speaker 3: which was originally called continental drift that you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3: It was finally sort of verified using paleomagnetic data, using
Speaker 3: some sensors that they had have become available in the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties, and these data sort of supported or proved that,
Speaker 3: you know, continental drift, which is now known as plate tectonics,
Speaker 3: is happening. And so this was when half Goods theory
Speaker 3: came out, and it was sort of the timing wasn't
Speaker 3: good because it was this new theory now in geology
Speaker 3: and earth science, plate tectonics, and you know, consensus is
Speaker 3: that explains everything that nothing else was needed, and so
Speaker 3: it kind of fell by the wayside. But you know,
Speaker 3: Einstein did critically read half Good's work, and he actually
Speaker 3: did identify a problem with it, which was that he
Speaker 3: didn't think the ice, you know, a build up of
Speaker 3: the ice in the you know, polar zones could cause
Speaker 3: a crystal shift, and you know, actually I do analysis
Speaker 3: in the book, and so that was kind of there
Speaker 3: was a technical problem with Hapwood's theory, only in that
Speaker 3: it was I think the wrong mechanism. And what I
Speaker 3: talk about in Inconvenient Theory is a different mechanism that
Speaker 3: I think is much more plausible and actually much more
Speaker 3: in line with what we know about the Earth and
Speaker 3: the Moon for that matter.
Speaker 1: You opened the book with ice ages. The importance of
Speaker 1: ice ages? Why is it? Why is it critical that
Speaker 1: we understand the previous ice ages and how they were formed.
Speaker 3: I think they're tied to our history. I think over
Speaker 3: the last hundred thousand years. I think crustal displacements, you know,
Speaker 3: and this was Hapwood's idea, crustal displacements were the cause
Speaker 3: of ice ages. And you know, my angle on this
Speaker 3: in Before Atlantis was that the crustal displacements where the
Speaker 3: changes in the direction of the North Pole that were
Speaker 3: responsible for you know, archaeological sites being aligned in different directions,
Speaker 3: and so the two are are they're you know, they're
Speaker 3: they're two sides of the same coin. Well, actually there's
Speaker 3: really three sizes. Is also the idea of you know
Speaker 3: these animal extinctions, the you know what happened to the
Speaker 3: wily mammoth? You know, why has the climate change so
Speaker 3: in such extreme ways? And we can get into that
Speaker 3: later ways that really can't be explained using standard climate theory.
Speaker 3: So I think my interest is and the reason I
Speaker 3: wrote this book is that there were sort of three
Speaker 3: threads that needed to be tied together, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to do it in a simple way. So it's not
Speaker 3: a big book. It really just sort of highlights the
Speaker 3: key points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like that. I like that you actually
Speaker 1: give us a taste of these various thoughts that you have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about solar radia. This is something that I've heard
Speaker 1: from from other people. But how does that impact Earth specifically,
Speaker 1: and how does that develop into a ice age?
Speaker 3: So the idea was introduced by a scientist by name
Speaker 3: of Milankovitch back in the twenties, and it's the term
Speaker 3: is Milankovitch cycles. And the idea is that as the
Speaker 3: Earth and it's well, the Earth, you know, changes the obliquity,
Speaker 3: the angle, you know, the tilt axis, you know about precession,
Speaker 3: the twenty four thousand year.
Speaker 1: Cycle, procession of the equinox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Earth's eccentricity, it's orbit around the Sun. All
Speaker 3: these things change and they conspire to change the amount
Speaker 3: of solar radiation the Earth receives on average, say, over
Speaker 3: the course of the year. And Milankovitch proposed that it
Speaker 3: was these changes that caused ice ages. So in other words,
Speaker 3: when the Earth was not getting as much sunlight, it
Speaker 3: would cool down and you would get you would get
Speaker 3: an ice age. And so this is really still the
Speaker 3: accepted theory nowadays, although it doesn't really work. And the
Speaker 3: first chapter in the book, I do a very simple
Speaker 3: analysis where I take the Melankovitch cycles, which is a function.
Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of sine waves, you know, you
Speaker 3: know Sinusoto waves, and you look at the climate cycles
Speaker 3: like sea level or earth you know, our average temperature,
Speaker 3: and you try to correlate them. So if the two
Speaker 3: were related, there would be a correlation, they would sort
Speaker 3: of come into alignment. But they don't. And I think
Speaker 3: there's some very simple arguments that show Malankavage cycles aren't
Speaker 3: sufficient in themselves to cause the ice ages. And what
Speaker 3: I talk about in the book is the missing piece,
Speaker 3: which are the crustal placements.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That plus Malakavitch cycles I think can explain ice ages.
Speaker 1: Well, give us a little more drilled down on Malakovich's theory,
Speaker 1: because how does solar radiation affect a planet to the
Speaker 1: point where they are having these mass freezes?
Speaker 3: So so okay, so like right now we got, uh
Speaker 3: there's like still about two feet of snow outside. There
Speaker 3: were there were three feet. But if if we cooled
Speaker 3: down to the point that that snow didn't melt in
Speaker 3: the spring or even in the summer, you know, it
Speaker 3: was so cold that you know, it's it's stuck around,
Speaker 3: and then you know, next year we get more snow
Speaker 3: on top of that, et cetera, et cetera. You know,
Speaker 3: you get a build up, and that's how you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's why glaciers and uh you know they why
Speaker 3: they form at high altitudes where it's cold, why they
Speaker 3: form in the polar zone where it's cold. So it's
Speaker 3: it's it's that as the Earth's the amount of radiation
Speaker 3: it gets gets less, these things will start, the snow
Speaker 3: will start to accumulate, and then as you get more snow,
Speaker 3: it's more reflective. It's white, so reflects more radiation back
Speaker 3: into space, and so the earth cools even more. So
Speaker 3: it's like a positive feedback thing. And so that that
Speaker 3: was his theory, that that that explained It was these
Speaker 3: cycles that explained climate cycles, that they were correlated, but
Speaker 3: it turns out that they're not correlated. He didn't have
Speaker 3: access to the to the proxy data we have now
Speaker 3: uh sea levels, CO two concentration earth temperature, because when
Speaker 3: you correlate these with the malancaage cycles, they don't correlate.
Speaker 3: Even with lags and other things. You know, you can
Speaker 3: do a very simple analysis, and that's that's always been
Speaker 3: my approach, to try to take a very simple model
Speaker 3: and see to what extent it explains or doesn't explain something.
Speaker 3: And it's called kiss keep it simple, stupid, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was always taught that in my professional training. As
Speaker 3: you start with something simple and you see if the
Speaker 3: basic ideas are sound. If they're not, you know, you
Speaker 3: have to move on. And so that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: what I've done.
Speaker 1: Exactly one of the areas that we've talked about before
Speaker 1: is mass extinctions, and you give some very good examples.
Speaker 1: One of them is in Mexico where they found in
Speaker 1: nineteen oh three remains of mastodons. And then we come
Speaker 1: forward to maybe ten years ago where they were doing
Speaker 1: some building and they found some more master on any
Speaker 1: they saw, they found a kill site. What's unusual about this,
Speaker 1: and I think your your thinking is is that the
Speaker 1: landm asses moved at some place. And I talked about
Speaker 1: this before we started. Were these actions of massive land
Speaker 1: movements immediate or did did they come in a slow
Speaker 1: period where we would see willie mammoths uh freezing in
Speaker 1: this area? How do we because this is like like
Speaker 1: a real freak action to have these massive landform movements,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to think of it as in and
Speaker 1: everyone's read about finding mammoths with green grasses in their
Speaker 1: gut in the throats. So the land that they were
Speaker 1: on was much more temperate. But can we explain what
Speaker 1: what we is expected? How do we explain this mass
Speaker 1: landform movement?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that there's a lot to unpack on that question.
Speaker 3: Uh So, so you know the they they say that
Speaker 3: if mammoths existed, now they would they would lie within
Speaker 3: what's called the mammoth step, which is a sort of
Speaker 3: a temperate zone that runs, you know, over much of
Speaker 3: the much of the planet. It's in the temperate zone.
Speaker 3: But what you find are you find mammoth fossils in
Speaker 3: the in the polar zone in the Arctic, and you know,
Speaker 3: they try to explain how that can be. And but
Speaker 3: now you know with Mexico you find mammoth bones in
Speaker 3: in a subtropical climate, which is equally hard to explain.
Speaker 3: So what crustal displacement says is that, Okay, take that
Speaker 3: that zone which goes from you know, up north to
Speaker 3: down south. Yeah, if the if the earth poles, if
Speaker 3: if the if the crust did in fact shipped, where
Speaker 3: would that zone have been back then? And it would
Speaker 3: have been in the temperate zone. And so again it's
Speaker 3: it's another predictive. You say, Okay, so what can this
Speaker 3: theory of crustal displacement predict?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Can it can predict changes in climen zones? And these
Speaker 3: predictions actually match that match evidence, match data. So so
Speaker 3: there's that. But I want to address sort of the
Speaker 3: speed at which these things happen.
Speaker 1: That was next point. Yeah, I mean, you know.
Speaker 3: It doesn't the Earth. You know, the Earth doesn't turn
Speaker 3: on a dime. It can't. There's too much it's got
Speaker 3: too much mass. And and I don't know to what extent,
Speaker 3: We'll get into this later on, but the whole idea
Speaker 3: of crustal displacements can be explained in terms of an
Speaker 3: existing theory called lithospheric drift, and the idea and what
Speaker 3: that's all about is that the Earth's lithosphere, in other words,
Speaker 3: the crust is already moving over the mantle. It it
Speaker 3: moves at a rate of about ten to one hundred
Speaker 3: kilometers every million years. Okay, so the Earth's crust is
Speaker 3: already displacing at a very very slow rate, but over
Speaker 3: a long period of time. So the I what I
Speaker 3: talked about in the book is what actually governs the
Speaker 3: rate at which it shifts, and it's based on what's
Speaker 3: called the low velocity zone. This is an area between
Speaker 3: the crusts and the mantle where the Earth where the
Speaker 3: crust can slide. And I, you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: to get deep into this right now, but they basically,
Speaker 3: if you change the value of the viscosity of that
Speaker 3: how how you know much it can move. You can
Speaker 3: actually accelerate the rate of these displacements from a drift
Speaker 3: to a displacement. And I think the rate, to get
Speaker 3: to answer your question, is probably on the order of
Speaker 3: a thousand years for a crustal displacement to occur. So
Speaker 3: it doesn't happen overnight, happens over a period of time.
Speaker 3: So over a period of time, the climate of say
Speaker 3: Mexico City goes from or went from being tropical to
Speaker 3: be or i'm sorry, from being temperate sort of the
Speaker 3: northern temperate zone to being subtropical over a period of
Speaker 3: about a thousand years. And with animal migrations, if they
Speaker 3: migrate into you know, these ecological into these biomes that
Speaker 3: are that get cut off, they could die, they could
Speaker 3: they could you know, survive for a period of tide,
Speaker 3: but then eventually maybe they would freeze. Say so, I
Speaker 3: think it could explain some of the some of the anomalies.
Speaker 3: But not having happened overnight, so but you know, years.
Speaker 1: There's examples of mammoth frozen almost in place. And and
Speaker 1: I wonder, because we haven't even brought up flooding yet,
Speaker 1: if they were caught in a huge flood and then
Speaker 1: the body is moved to it a more ice centric
Speaker 1: area and frozen. This is what they're finding in Siberia,
Speaker 1: is these animals, these plusticcene ice age animals frozen. What's
Speaker 1: your theory on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's possible, you know. They they talk
Speaker 3: about these massive floods that that happened during the Younger
Speaker 3: driest and you know, things that that sort of could
Speaker 3: could you know, could have been responsible. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's going a little bit. It's a little bit out
Speaker 3: of my depth. You know, I'm not a palaeontologist, and
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm just I'm just kind of
Speaker 3: try to identify certain points where you know, you can
Speaker 3: begin to start and sort of drill down. I've done
Speaker 3: a little bit of that in the book, but it's
Speaker 3: by no means complete. I don't mean, I don't don't.
Speaker 1: You tease us out the book. That's what I'm working
Speaker 1: you over right now. Mark, We're having you extract the uh,
Speaker 1: the DNA on some of these topics. Talk about the
Speaker 1: town of Pardon in Mexico, where they found remains of
Speaker 1: a massive wall and sixty foot deep deposits of human skeletons,
Speaker 1: and mammoth. I found that just amazing.
Speaker 3: Well, we talked about that a year or two ago.
Speaker 1: Isn't the same site that we talked about because I
Speaker 1: don't remember a wall that was uh uh it was it?
Speaker 1: What was the dating? Did they come up with the
Speaker 1: carbon date on that?
Speaker 3: Uh so let me go, let me go back. What
Speaker 3: did I write here? I won't be able to find it.
Speaker 3: But it was the you know, it was that the
Speaker 3: Mexican anthropologist archaeologist that became head of the the ute
Speaker 3: What what is it?
Speaker 1: I n h.
Speaker 3: And it was a it was a report that he'd written.
Speaker 3: This was before he became head. It was an expedition,
Speaker 3: I guess. And it was published, but there was no
Speaker 3: no follow up to it, and he never commented on
Speaker 3: it or wrote anything further about it, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: during his professional career. But you know it was he
Speaker 3: describes extensive ruins and the interesting thing were the bones
Speaker 3: of elephants that we were were probably mammoths, which you
Speaker 3: know again it is sort of supports the Mexico City
Speaker 3: bindings because it's you know, it's a little bit further north,
Speaker 3: but same you know, same general area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 1: new book An Inconvenient Theory. Will be right back. My
Speaker 1: guest today is doctor Mark Carlotto, who is introducing a
Speaker 1: new book, Well and Inconvenient Theory. This is a look
Speaker 1: at ancient sites around the world, crustal displacement, and a
Speaker 1: number of new theories on ancient civilizations. I remember vaguely
Speaker 1: that discussion, but I think what you were saying was
Speaker 1: that because of the extreme age of the location, is
Speaker 1: that maybe they decided to leave it alone because it
Speaker 1: brought up too many questions about uh, modern humans or
Speaker 1: civilized civilized humans at a very early period.
Speaker 3: Actually, I think there was even a more practical the
Speaker 3: person that told me about this, he said that it
Speaker 3: would be a very dangerous area to to explore because
Speaker 3: of just just crime and just cartels and so forth
Speaker 3: in that in that particular, so it was like, from
Speaker 3: a practical point of view, you wouldn't want to go
Speaker 3: down there and poke around too much. Not that it's
Speaker 3: something that necessarily do anyway, I mean there, you know,
Speaker 3: you have other people on the show that that you know,
Speaker 3: they love doing stuff like that, but I mean that
Speaker 3: would be fertile ground for sure to uh to do
Speaker 3: some excavation. I mean, based on his findings, Uh, they
Speaker 3: were quite extensive.
Speaker 1: But there are artifacts that were discovered, like like true artifacts,
Speaker 1: not just uh flint and arrow kind of remains.
Speaker 3: Well, he talked you know, he talked about stone walls
Speaker 3: and you know, massive megalithic structures uh that, but they
Speaker 3: were deeply buried, so.
Speaker 1: You know you'd have to go, yeah, we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into our chaeo astronomy and ancient civilizations here shortly. Uh,
Speaker 1: you list and show a place in Wyoming called uh
Speaker 1: a trap cave uh, and there's a number of out
Speaker 1: of place fossils that that you report on talk about
Speaker 1: that place. I've never heard of it before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so actually hap cood. Uh. You know, he
Speaker 3: wrote a pretty thick book on this, and he had
Speaker 3: a lot of climate data to support his his uh,
Speaker 3: you know, his hypothesis at the time. And I actually
Speaker 3: went back to some of those sources and I found
Speaker 3: some additional ones. And what these what some of these
Speaker 3: starts to talk about is like they in the ground
Speaker 3: in the different strata, you can record pollen, different kinds
Speaker 3: of you know, pollen from trees and so forth, and
Speaker 3: the types of pollen, the types of trees are correlated
Speaker 3: with your climate, with your climate zone. And these parts
Speaker 3: of the country, you know, they they never they were
Speaker 3: never under the polar ice cap. I mean, they were
Speaker 3: always you know, they were far enough south that they
Speaker 3: they weren't in the polar zone during the last ice age,
Speaker 3: but their climate did change, and they changed in a
Speaker 3: way in a predictable, in a way that was really
Speaker 3: consistent with the changes that would have been that would
Speaker 3: have occurred had the polls shifted. And so I basically
Speaker 3: talk about these sites as as sort of you know,
Speaker 3: proxies measuring different types of information that you can correlate
Speaker 3: with changes in climate zones, just to provide other points
Speaker 3: of reference to support, you know, the crustal displacement the changes,
Speaker 3: because basically, when the crust displaces, the climate zones change.
Speaker 3: And so if you can you know, establish some kind
Speaker 3: of you know, you have some data to support that,
Speaker 3: it'll support you know, the whole idea of crustal displacement.
Speaker 3: That's really the that's really the method you know, and
Speaker 3: the reason why you want to do this.
Speaker 1: So it was a pollen, wasn't that he had found
Speaker 1: other animals that are not unique to that area?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, there there there were, I mean there were
Speaker 3: you know, habitats changed, right, and there were there were
Speaker 3: some different different animals and I don't recall what they were,
Speaker 3: but but you know there I talk about him in
Speaker 3: the book and have could. Like I said, he goes
Speaker 3: into more detail on some of these, but I wanted
Speaker 3: to bring some of them out because again, in terms
Speaker 3: of the methodology, you want to be able to show
Speaker 3: correlations things that correlate. Yeah, you know that that doesn't
Speaker 3: always imply causality. Things could just sort of randomly correlate.
Speaker 3: But the more stuff that correlates, the less likely it
Speaker 3: is that it's happening randomly and it's it and it's
Speaker 3: you know, and it's just serendipity.
Speaker 1: So you know, I wanted to ask you how much
Speaker 1: help did chat gpt give you on these topics, because
Speaker 1: you did mention in the very book beginning of the
Speaker 1: book that you appreciate the help of AI. But I
Speaker 1: mean I just downloaded Venice and I have been using
Speaker 1: chat gpt. Did you find it helpful aid or was
Speaker 1: it more just kind of keeping things grounded for you
Speaker 1: and using that tool.
Speaker 3: So I use chat to get me started so I
Speaker 3: can go deep in my areas. You know, image processing,
Speaker 3: you know geospatial analysis, stuff like that. You know statistics more,
Speaker 3: you know quantitative things. But you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: a lot about paleontology or anthropology. So if there's a
Speaker 3: topic that I need to get you know that I
Speaker 3: need to add that there's some aspect that I need
Speaker 3: to bring into the argument. I use chat to get
Speaker 3: me started. Gives me some references you know that I
Speaker 3: can go. You know, it's a starting point for me,
Speaker 3: and so it's really useful in that regard. I don't
Speaker 3: really trust it though, I mean, it gives you information,
Speaker 3: but you really got to check it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is weird because you think it's
Speaker 1: like I trust everything AI gives me, but it could
Speaker 1: be pulling from sources that are not necessarily valid.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think there's less of that now
Speaker 3: than there was a year ago. But it's better a
Speaker 3: year ago or a couple of years ago. I remember, uh,
Speaker 3: getting a bunch of site, getting a bunch of references
Speaker 3: and bibliography, and a lot of them were fictitious. They
Speaker 3: didn't exist.
Speaker 1: When you say fictitious, meaning that they aren't they were
Speaker 1: made up or really were.
Speaker 3: Yeah they were at the time. It's it's it's much
Speaker 3: better now and the site, the references you get are
Speaker 3: are are pretty solid, so I do want to say,
Speaker 3: and it's so it's a very useful tool. It's it's
Speaker 3: kind of like I kind of think of it like
Speaker 3: the computer on Star Trek, you know, when they would
Speaker 3: ask the computer a question and you could you know,
Speaker 3: and then you can sort of ask it back in
Speaker 3: these chats so you can say, well, tell me more
Speaker 3: about this or it's it's a really good thing to
Speaker 3: get started. But I mean it can't do your work
Speaker 3: for you. I mean there are people that try to
Speaker 3: use it to write books. You know, they don't do anything.
Speaker 3: It's just like, write me a book about something and
Speaker 3: it'll do it, but it'll be terrible garbage.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, I've seen it. It's a good tool though,
Speaker 1: is a useful tool. Yeah, thank you for that. The
Speaker 1: The real meat for me on this book is the
Speaker 1: archaeo astronomy, and you kind of get into the origins
Speaker 1: of it. I don't think archaeology is using it enough,
Speaker 1: and I think they've kind of stopped in some ways
Speaker 1: not taking it further. Talk about your interest in this,
Speaker 1: because this is where I think you really got something
Speaker 1: where you're having very early alignments for different North poles.
Speaker 1: But what I want to talk to I want you
Speaker 1: to provide us with an overview of why it's important
Speaker 1: to study archaeo astronomy when it comes to civilization.
Speaker 3: Start there, Okay, there is pretty good evidence that we've
Speaker 3: ass as human beings, we've always known about the motion
Speaker 3: of the sun and the moon. At go Beeckley Tepe,
Speaker 3: there's evidence that in the alignment of some of these
Speaker 3: these t pillars that they knew about something called lunar standstills,
Speaker 3: which is the extreme motion of the moon, which is
Speaker 3: hard to recognize because it happens over an eighteen point
Speaker 3: six year period, and it's particularly you know, problematic when
Speaker 3: you consider the fact that it's assumed that the builders
Speaker 3: of these places in Turkey were just they were they
Speaker 3: were kind of going from being hunter gatherers to farmers,
Speaker 3: so you know, they didn't really necessarily lead a subtle life,
Speaker 3: and you have to have a subtle life in order
Speaker 3: to observe the moon over you know, decades right to
Speaker 3: be able to understand its motion. But yet these alignments
Speaker 3: seem to exist, as well as solstice and other alignments
Speaker 3: in these very early structures. And you find this all.
Speaker 3: You find this all over the world. There was things
Speaker 3: were not aligned randomly. They were aligned purposefully. It could
Speaker 3: have been astronomically, it could have been in certain sacred directions.
Speaker 3: It could have been to some you know sometimes but
Speaker 3: constellations or stars. They you know, that was a theory
Speaker 3: behind a lot of the temple alignments in Egypt.
Speaker 1: But Mark, let me just ask you this, and I'm
Speaker 1: interrupting you. We don't do this today. No, why would
Speaker 1: our ancestors feel it so important to and what I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been to Mexico, you have too. There's entire civic
Speaker 1: centers that are aligned to star systems. It looks like
Speaker 1: we don't know for sure that they're aligned to constellations.
Speaker 1: But why did they place such great emphasis on correct alignment?
Speaker 3: Let me get let me give you a visual. Because
Speaker 3: we're on our phones all the time, we're distracted. The
Speaker 3: there's a theory that humankind changed around the time of
Speaker 3: go back as as we came out, As we went
Speaker 3: from being hunter gatherers to farmers having a more sedentary lifestyle,
Speaker 3: we started to become focused on things on on the farm,
Speaker 3: on the house, on the crops. When you're you know,
Speaker 3: when you're moving, when you're roaming around you you're not attached,
Speaker 3: you know, like the native people here in the United
Speaker 3: States say, they didn't have this concept of ownership of
Speaker 3: property was something that was foreign to them. They didn't
Speaker 3: they didn't know what that was. Everything was was was shared,
Speaker 3: and so we changed fundamentally. So I don't think we
Speaker 3: could possibly relate to the motivations of these ancient builders,
Speaker 3: because I think we've gotten so seduced by by things,
Speaker 3: by our technology, that we've lost that appreciation and awareness of,
Speaker 3: you know, our role in it's sort of the bigger picture.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the answer you're looking for,
Speaker 3: but that's my my, my experiences. That's kind of the
Speaker 3: way things are headed right now.
Speaker 1: You have it's called a section of your book called
Speaker 1: a global study, where you identify what is recognized as
Speaker 1: alignments to solstices, alignments to cycles, alignments to each monoxist
Speaker 1: and so forth. And it just blows me away that
Speaker 1: there's somebody there to be recognized. Doesn't it make sense
Speaker 1: that we are not paying attention to a natural part
Speaker 1: of our sensibilities that may recognize subtle energy from planetary
Speaker 1: systems like astrology. Astrologers believe that these planets influence us
Speaker 1: in certain ways when we're born. I want you just
Speaker 1: to explain a little bit these influences and why you
Speaker 1: would build old a temple that has alignments for recognizing
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 3: Well, see, you're you're asking me a question that I
Speaker 3: can't possibly know the answer to. I don't know the motivation.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think that they were definitely
Speaker 3: more in tune with with nature. Uh for what? For
Speaker 3: whatever reason? I mean, we could let's let's make a deal.
Speaker 3: We can speculate about that. But I just, you know,
Speaker 3: I think you asked these questions that take there's a
Speaker 3: lot of unpacking. Something I wanted to kind of go
Speaker 3: back to, which we skipped over, which was why archaeology
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to pay much attention to this stuff anymore. No,
Speaker 3: the whole idea of alignments had in archaeostronomy has become
Speaker 3: quite diluted. I think in archaeology. What a lot of
Speaker 3: Egyptologists looking at temple alignments in you know, up in
Speaker 3: Upper Egypt, they totally because a lot of them are
Speaker 3: not aligned to solstices, are aligned in known directions. They say, well,
Speaker 3: they're they're aligning them to the Nile. They do the
Speaker 3: same thing in Mexico, Tewakan. Yeah, these other sites, they're
Speaker 3: they're aligned to the Pleiades or to some mountain range
Speaker 3: or something or some They make up these explanations. And
Speaker 3: what's happening in archaeology is is that archaeo astronomy is
Speaker 3: becoming contextualized, meaning that it cannot stand on its own.
Speaker 3: It only can be interpreted if they know something about
Speaker 3: the society in which it's being used, which is kind
Speaker 3: of like uh, a chicken, chicken or an egg thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, you want to use astronomy to gain some insight,
Speaker 3: but they're saying, well, we already have to know a
Speaker 3: lot about the society in order to understand how they're
Speaker 3: using archaeo astronomy. I believe it's fundamental, and I believe
Speaker 3: because they've in this global study you mentioned, Chris Cliff,
Speaker 3: you know, I looked at a thousand over a thousand
Speaker 3: sites and only forty percent of them are aligned in
Speaker 3: known directions? So what about the other sixty percent? And
Speaker 3: we've you know, we've talked about this. These are sites
Speaker 3: sites you can cannot explain that. It include like Ballbeck,
Speaker 3: the Western Wall in Jerusalem, all the sacred sites in Peru,
Speaker 3: in the Sacred Valley, the majority of sites in Mexico.
Speaker 3: Why is this? Why is this the case? And this
Speaker 3: is what Krussel displacement and changing the frame of reference
Speaker 3: explains that the North Pole when that changes, you know,
Speaker 3: when it's no longer in this direction but it's in
Speaker 3: another direction, it rotates everything and suddenly all these unexplained
Speaker 3: site alignments can be explained. And so if you're willing
Speaker 3: to say, okay, let's assume that there's another frame of
Speaker 3: or other frames of reference. So there was a different
Speaker 3: frame of reference when the North Pole was in Hudson
Speaker 3: Bay during the Last is of Age, and a different
Speaker 3: one before that when it was in the Norwegian Sea,
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. You can systematically show
Speaker 3: how all these sites come into alignment. So that's the
Speaker 3: fundamental problem. And I think if we I don't know
Speaker 3: how we can break through this logjam. Without something like this,
Speaker 3: I think crustal displacement is a viable hypothesis. It may
Speaker 3: not be, but at least we need something like it.
Speaker 3: But if it's true, Okay, it says then that all
Speaker 3: these other sites we're being aligned astronomically in this way
Speaker 3: that you're suggesting. And so there's something about us now
Speaker 3: that's different from all of our predecessors. Yeah, really lost
Speaker 3: this appreciation for the Earth and for maybe it's more
Speaker 3: of a spiritual appreciation of of our environment, of our existence,
Speaker 3: and we've lost that and it's you know, I think
Speaker 3: a lot because of our attachment to things, to devices.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, mark, I appreciate that was excellent.
Speaker 1: I wanted some details. I'm looking right now at your
Speaker 1: global study and it's double. The unknown alignments are double
Speaker 1: in number to what we understand. And in the book
Speaker 1: you do talk a bit about geomagnetic energies and things
Speaker 1: like that. It's not a highlight, but I'm fascinated in
Speaker 1: this and I want you to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about an early turn of the century scientists whose name
Speaker 1: was Tom who does bring that up a little bit
Speaker 1: when when he starts working at places like Stonehenge and
Speaker 1: other megalithic sites. He doesn't really talk about geomagnetic energies,
Speaker 1: but Alexander tom does talk about his belief that there
Speaker 1: is something to these sites and then we can come
Speaker 1: forward and talk about more present people. But if we
Speaker 1: can't see something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And
Speaker 1: perhaps we need to develop scientific tools and instruments that
Speaker 1: can measure these energies more effectively, and that may that
Speaker 1: might be the solution to understanding what these unknown alignments
Speaker 1: might be. What do you say to that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know if you read because in the
Speaker 3: book before this, which was Beyond Atlantis, I go to
Speaker 3: twenty or thirty different I go all basically all over
Speaker 3: the world, and I look to see what's the earliest
Speaker 3: information on civilizations in that part of the world place,
Speaker 3: you know, from Peru to the Taklamakan Desert to Japan,
Speaker 3: you know, all over, and and I find that I
Speaker 3: found that reading the earliest sources. Like nowadays, it's like
Speaker 3: in tech especially you have to have the latest references,
Speaker 3: but in I think in archaeology and anthropology, the earliest
Speaker 3: references the books that were written by the early explorers,
Speaker 3: you know, people like tom people like Pompeli in in
Speaker 3: in Central Asia. People that went to these sites for
Speaker 3: the sort of the like the first Westerners right to
Speaker 3: have experience these sites, have the most poignant descriptions. They
Speaker 3: were they were moved by something that was beyond beyond science,
Speaker 3: beyond you know, architecture and archaeology, and and I think
Speaker 3: that may have something to do with, you know, with
Speaker 3: what you're alluding to, and and so, you know, I
Speaker 3: think going back and having that historical perspective is important,
Speaker 3: and you know, taking into account with some of these
Speaker 3: early observers what they saw and and their impressions, particularly
Speaker 3: at ball Beck. And then you know this, our friend
Speaker 3: Marco has written an amazing uh article. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a small book on ball Beck, and you know, it's
Speaker 3: I keep seeing more and more things about it. Of course,
Speaker 3: people are talking about, you know, the stone and the
Speaker 3: pregnant woman. Uh, you know, just but it's it's there's
Speaker 3: so much more to it than that, but there, you know,
Speaker 3: and some of the early accounts of that site were
Speaker 3: of these layers upon layers of temples, even you know
Speaker 3: below the Roman you know, like six or seven layers
Speaker 3: of temples below the Roman, Yeah, the Temple of Jupiter
Speaker 3: and even talk now perhaps foundations going down even below
Speaker 3: what we see going down to bedrock. So this is
Speaker 3: I would it would be great to get to the bottom.
Speaker 3: No pun intended of ball back in some of these
Speaker 3: other sites. But you know, we're going to.
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Speaker 1: doctor Mark Carlotto, presenting his latest book, An Inconvenient Theory,
Speaker 1: will be right back with you. My guess today is
Speaker 1: doctor Mark Carlotto, who has written a new book called
Speaker 1: An Inconvenient Theory. This is a look at Earth's crustal
Speaker 1: displacement and how ice ages have been formed and passed
Speaker 1: through Earth's geological history for thousands of years. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny that you talk about energies and things we
Speaker 1: can't see. You have a photograph of a the ceiling
Speaker 1: of Hathor Temple in your book that is a it's
Speaker 1: the horoscope or the astrological signs of the of the horoscope,
Speaker 1: and Napoleon's people took it and they moved it to
Speaker 1: the to the Louver in Paris. I think the Egyptians
Speaker 1: have been asking for it back for years. But our
Speaker 1: ancestors and these early civilizations seem to understand astrology, and
Speaker 1: today we think of it as a joke. But there's
Speaker 1: something too the planets and its influence on us. And
Speaker 1: you made a really good point that we just don't
Speaker 1: have that sensibility anymore. We are not trained on how
Speaker 1: to sense and how to feel these energies. And this
Speaker 1: is why this passage in your book where we have
Speaker 1: these unknown alignments really are curious, you know. And I
Speaker 1: even think that the alignments for the solstices and the
Speaker 1: what you call zenith passages and lunar stands and things
Speaker 1: like that are also something that although we can recognize them,
Speaker 1: there's something missing in our ability to identify them that
Speaker 1: our ancestors had. And it's not even machineries that are
Speaker 1: there are going. I think that we as vessels for
Speaker 1: the energy, human physiology was able to sense these things,
Speaker 1: and this is what the builders were following.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we have all I think we have
Speaker 3: the DNA to appreciate that and to be at one
Speaker 3: with that. I think we I mean, we're you know,
Speaker 3: they say that as human beings, we haven't changed in
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand years. But I think we've been become
Speaker 3: covered over with shells, with with you know, layers that
Speaker 3: block all that stuff out exactly. It's the chatter of
Speaker 3: just twenty four to seven news and TV and entertainment
Speaker 3: and yah. And like I said, you know, we've got
Speaker 3: to be able to watch something. We can't listen to
Speaker 3: it anymore. It's got to be you know, we need
Speaker 3: not just a picture, but the picture's got to be moving,
Speaker 3: even if it's it's stupid, it's got it's gotta be movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, yeah, I want to jump into
Speaker 1: the early alignments of the North Pole alignments because this
Speaker 1: is some of your best work. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: cover some of these early North Poles that you've done
Speaker 1: an outstanding job of identifying and uh explain the archaeological
Speaker 1: ramifications of building alignments and what you discovered as in
Speaker 1: other words, the earliest North Poles and how uh the
Speaker 1: buildings aligned with them showing the age of that civilization.
Speaker 3: So so it was really you, I mean, Hapcod got
Speaker 3: the ball rolling, so to speak. You know, he had
Speaker 3: identified three three previous North Poles and then rosen Rand
Speaker 3: flem app in their book when this When the Sky Fell,
Speaker 3: I think it was talks about how Tabo Khan appeared
Speaker 3: to be, you know, roughly aligned with with one of
Speaker 3: half Good's poles. And so for me that was kind
Speaker 3: of the starting point. I kind of worked backwards and
Speaker 3: I said, okay, if these sites were aligned to the
Speaker 3: pole sort of by triangulation, if you took their alignments
Speaker 3: and you drew a circle like a meridian through it,
Speaker 3: you know, would they intersect? And doing that I was
Speaker 3: able to refine half Goods polls that actually found another one.
Speaker 3: So the ideas is really you know, in reverse, it's
Speaker 3: really simple when you know, like now the pole is
Speaker 3: where it is, and you know north is north, and
Speaker 3: you know the directions are what they are, and the
Speaker 3: directions the sun rises on the solstice and the moon
Speaker 3: rises on the standstills. These are all pretty much established,
Speaker 3: and so sites that have been built over the last
Speaker 3: you know, say, twenty thousand years since the last pull
Speaker 3: shift would be aligned in these directions. And about forty
Speaker 3: percent of all the sites seem to be aligned in
Speaker 3: in some some direction some of these directions.
Speaker 1: So what we're saying is that these are pyramids, temples, buildings,
Speaker 1: and in some cases entire cities are aligned to the
Speaker 1: current North pole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like the you know, the Pyramid, the Great Pyramid,
Speaker 3: Great Pyramid, Giza Pyramids and Giza and others in Lower
Speaker 3: Egypt aligned very precisely to the cardinal directions temples, Like
Speaker 3: I think it's I always get confused between Karnak and Luxor,
Speaker 3: but I think it's Karnak is aligned to solstices. You
Speaker 3: have Stonehenge aligned has alignments to soul and to lunar standstills.
Speaker 3: This is where you know you mentioned, uh, Alexander tom
Speaker 3: and and you mentioned and there were others Gerald, Hawkins
Speaker 3: and so forth contributed to that. But then you have
Speaker 3: sites like Ballbeck we were talking about earlier, that have
Speaker 3: no uh, there's no reason for why it's a line
Speaker 3: in the direction that it is. It seems it seems arbitrary.
Speaker 1: So can you explain real quickly how you made the
Speaker 1: jump of known times, frag factors and sites and then
Speaker 1: when you began to look at other sites, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they don't follow the path of the current North.
Speaker 3: Pole right right, So so so the Yeah, I wish
Speaker 3: I had had some prepared graphics here, but I can
Speaker 3: send them to you and we can.
Speaker 1: I'll put them on the Facebook page.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So, like I said, about forty percent of
Speaker 3: the sites could be explained. So in looking at the others,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, let's do this analysis and see, well,
Speaker 3: what could they have pointed towards if you were if
Speaker 3: there was something else, it was some other reference point.
Speaker 3: And that's actually how I came up with these other poles.
Speaker 3: You were based on sort of triangulation. That a whole
Speaker 3: idea of taking a lot of data and triangulating to locate,
Speaker 3: you know, where something is, and you know, using mostly
Speaker 3: sites in uh in Mexico. But you know, in order
Speaker 3: to do a good job you have to triangulate from
Speaker 3: different places on Earth. So I had some sites in
Speaker 3: India and excuse me, and some other places, and so
Speaker 3: I could sort of take half goods pole location in
Speaker 3: Hudson Bay and refine it, and I did so, you know,
Speaker 3: with all these other sites. So in other words, I
Speaker 3: would take you start with a bunch of sites. You
Speaker 3: can explain some with the current pole. Then you take
Speaker 3: the other and say, okay, well let's see can these
Speaker 3: predict where another pole was located? And you find that
Speaker 3: other pole, and that explains say another twenty or twenty
Speaker 3: five percent of the sites. So now you have sixty
Speaker 3: you have sixty percent explained. So you keep going on
Speaker 3: and you're find different positions, and so with only four
Speaker 3: previous positions, I could explain pretty much all the other sites.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop you real quick. Did you develop
Speaker 1: a software program to do this or did you have
Speaker 1: to do it manually?
Speaker 3: Well? I started doing it manually.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was using Google Earth and I would be up
Speaker 3: at night. I was totally was. I was. I was
Speaker 3: a crazed lunatic using you know, the ruler tool, drawing lines.
Speaker 3: And at a certain point it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I have to stop this and I have to figure
Speaker 3: out a better way. And so I wrote a program
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's actually it's actually it's published. I was published
Speaker 3: at a difference back in twenty eighteen. It's it's on
Speaker 3: the for Atlantis the papers there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I thought, and we hadn't talked about
Speaker 1: this before that you had have written this software application
Speaker 1: for this alignment. Explain to our listeners the I mean,
Speaker 1: what you're basically saying is there's been crustal displacements for
Speaker 1: thousands and tens of thousands of years, hundreds hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of years. Can you go, I think you've identified
Speaker 1: for Greenland, Hudson Bay, Norwegian, Barian Sea, and galact Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's four r. Can you give us the dates of
Speaker 1: the next of the next group so that we can
Speaker 1: hear about the significance of the age, because this is
Speaker 1: what blows me away is the extreme age of these
Speaker 1: civilizations that we don't recognize.
Speaker 3: Okay, Right, So any aligned in known directions would have
Speaker 3: been built since the last poll shipped around twenty thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. Right, So that pole the previous poll was
Speaker 3: in Hudson Bay, and that pole would have been the
Speaker 3: north pole for Tewa Khan, some some temples in Upper Egypt.
Speaker 3: And there's bit I talked about in the in the
Speaker 3: book before that there was a pole in the Norwegian
Speaker 3: Sea about forty five thousand years ago, and some other
Speaker 3: sites in Mexico and the Yuka ten appeared to be
Speaker 3: aligned to that pole. That's the Norwegian Sea pole.
Speaker 1: And that that's that ends at the twenty thousand mark,
Speaker 1: which is the okay, which is Hudson Bay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me, let me I'm going backwards. It's
Speaker 3: sort of like if you ever tried to do the
Speaker 3: alphabet backwards. It's true, let me go, let me go
Speaker 3: the other way. So before one hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 3: years ago, the North Pole was in the Bering Sea
Speaker 3: north of Lucian Islands. So with the pole there, all
Speaker 3: the sites in the p in Prouves Sacred Sacred Valley
Speaker 3: would have been aligned cardinally to that pole. So I'm
Speaker 3: saying that the earliest sites in the Sacred Valley are
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: That's Cusco and the Sacred Valley and uh yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Tambo and does that cover uh does that?
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I want to ask you, does that
Speaker 1: cover Bolivia? And uh Pumu puku.
Speaker 3: Uh Punku is probably the Greenland pole which came which
Speaker 3: would have come next.
Speaker 1: I don't want to confuse people, so I'm not going
Speaker 1: to ask any more questions. You'll want you to.
Speaker 3: Get Okay, So one hundred and thirty thousand years ago
Speaker 3: the oldest stuff, so stuff in Peru Sacred Valley. Also,
Speaker 3: the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun is a line in
Speaker 3: that direction.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had some inches seeing correspondence on that. Then
Speaker 3: about one hundred and thirty thousand years ago the poll
Speaker 3: shifted began to shift to Greenland. So and it was,
Speaker 3: it was in Greenland until about seventy five thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: and sites a line to Greenland include ball Beeck, the
Speaker 3: Western Wall in Jerusalem, the Acropolis and Parthon, and Athens,
Speaker 3: Mexico city itself, the originally the red lay Mexico city
Speaker 3: around Teplar Mayar. Oh, right, so let's see, so that's too,
Speaker 3: seventy five thousand years ago. Seventy five thousand years ago
Speaker 3: the poll shifted to the Norwegian Sea, which I talked about,
Speaker 3: and then from there to Hudson Bay and from there
Speaker 3: to the current Arctic Pole.
Speaker 1: That's how how do we get more information on these shifts?
Speaker 1: Can we use core samples of ice? Can we use
Speaker 1: core samples of the earth. Is it gonna help to
Speaker 1: have sedimentary sedimentary layers?
Speaker 3: Mm? Hm So so some that information actually in Antarctica
Speaker 3: was was uh hapgood actually had identified that, and you
Speaker 3: know it was a whole thing about the ancient the
Speaker 3: maps of the ancient sea kings. How you know these
Speaker 3: old maps had renderings of the coastline of Antarctic Antarctica
Speaker 3: without sea ice and so uh based on core samples. Uh,
Speaker 3: the I think it's western western Antarctica had was ice
Speaker 3: free during during the last ice Age, and so this
Speaker 3: this that you can this this, this is actually verified
Speaker 3: in core samples. So yeah, that that information is there,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure you know there's information. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: mean I can go up on a lot of tangents here.
Speaker 3: We don't have a lot of time, but there's similar
Speaker 3: things up. For example, in Greenland, there's evidence that that
Speaker 3: Greenland itself has been ice covered for well over the
Speaker 3: last hundred thousand years. Wow.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean my point is that man has
Speaker 1: started and stopped, you know, over one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand years or more a couple hundred thousand more years,
Speaker 1: if I'm following you correctly, and you think of and
Speaker 1: you've know about the Yugas, which is the cyclic start
Speaker 1: of the Golden Age, and then it gets darker and
Speaker 1: heavier and bleaker, and then it resurrects itself and goes back.
Speaker 1: I just keep wondering, you know, where we begin supporting
Speaker 1: theories like yours, where we begin finding not just scientific evidence,
Speaker 1: but the ultimate was would be defined a codex or
Speaker 1: we'll be able to find some form of carving or
Speaker 1: something that says, you know, this is the last cycle.
Speaker 1: What do you say to that it would help you
Speaker 1: out a lot.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think spiritual religious texts are
Speaker 3: an important sort of and as in myth and legend,
Speaker 3: they're all important sources of information, you know. I think
Speaker 3: I feel like they're the breadcrumbs that have sort of
Speaker 3: the key pieces of information that we need to fill
Speaker 3: in using science. Together. If you combine the two, I
Speaker 3: think you can get to the answer. I don't think
Speaker 3: we can get to it just with science. I think
Speaker 3: science is going to lead us often in its own direction.
Speaker 3: And I think we need to bring in, you know,
Speaker 3: myth legend, some of the spiritual books that talk about you,
Speaker 3: you know, Yugo's, you know, Veda science in particular. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's all It's all important.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to ask you this question, and
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about it before. Why is archaeology
Speaker 1: so resistant to uh earlier civilizations existing? I mean you
Speaker 1: could say easily, well, because we just don't have the
Speaker 1: artifacts my whole new theory is that a lot of
Speaker 1: these temples that we see in Egypt and New Mexico
Speaker 1: were there at those previous periods, but they fell into
Speaker 1: disuse and they were discovered. I mean, Robert Schock now
Speaker 1: has a new theory that a lot of these temples
Speaker 1: in uh Egypt were discovered by the pre Dynastics and
Speaker 1: then repurposed. But we don't talk about that if you're
Speaker 1: an archaeologist, because they just can't see beyond the books
Speaker 1: that they are taught todhere to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's I think it's part of human
Speaker 3: nature to uh, to erase the past. You you know,
Speaker 3: you you take over something, you co opt it, you
Speaker 3: make it your own, and then it's your own, and
Speaker 3: you you erase uh any knowledge, whether you do it
Speaker 3: deliberately or not, but you you know, you were where
Speaker 3: it's you know, Graham Hancock says that we're the species
Speaker 3: with amnesia. Well, it's it's it's self induced because of
Speaker 3: just our human behavior. And I think this is why
Speaker 3: archaeologists do what they do. They want, you know, I
Speaker 3: think that that's part of the reinforcement of this behavior.
Speaker 3: Whether it's I don't want to get into whether it's
Speaker 3: subversive or you know, uh, you know, whether it's this
Speaker 3: un you know, uh, conspiracy or whatever. Its just I
Speaker 3: think a lot of it's just human nature. We're just
Speaker 3: part of our DNA is that we're kind of stupid.
Speaker 1: Well, we forget things so easily, you know, a decade ago.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of data that we just don't remember.
Speaker 1: We just don't think it's important history. The book's called
Speaker 1: an Inconvenient Theory. My guess today has been doctor Mark Carlotto. Mark,
Speaker 1: as we close, what are the signposts of environmental change
Speaker 1: that you see that you studied to determine when we're
Speaker 1: going to have another one of these shifts in our
Speaker 1: in our continental landforms.
Speaker 3: So, you know, people would ask me this and I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, I don't know. But so there
Speaker 3: is a there is a section in the book where
Speaker 3: I actually do that. I predict approximately when and where
Speaker 3: and the next pull shift. You know, it's probably not
Speaker 3: going to happen anytime soon, probably in the you know,
Speaker 3: the next ten thousand years. I forget exactly when, but
Speaker 3: in terms of where it's likely to take the north
Speaker 3: pole to uh to uh to move it such that
Speaker 3: northern Europe gets thrust into the polar zone again, northern
Speaker 3: Europe and possibly northern Russia and uh in. How I
Speaker 3: go about determining this is also talked about in the book,
Speaker 3: because I've developed a model for how it's happened in
Speaker 3: the past, and you can apply it for how it
Speaker 3: will happen in the future. So I can't exactly say when,
Speaker 3: but I think it would be such that northern Europe
Speaker 3: would being in the polar age, Europe would have a
Speaker 3: much colder climate. Northern Europe and Russia would have a
Speaker 3: much colder climate.
Speaker 1: MM. Always fun having you on the program. We could
Speaker 1: talk for another hour or two on this subject. The
Speaker 1: book's been out for a while. Give us your website,
Speaker 1: just yeah.
Speaker 3: Go to before Atlantis dot com because that's really there's
Speaker 3: a lot of information there, a lot probably about how
Speaker 3: long have they been doing this, eight or nine years.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of posts, yeah, a lot of articles.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So you can read about it, and there's
Speaker 3: links to books if you want to buy books, but
Speaker 3: you don't have.
Speaker 1: To, okay, And do you have a YouTube channel? I
Speaker 1: can't remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I started doing that, but you know,
Speaker 3: I I look at any YouTube videos I made, and
Speaker 3: they're they're kind of stupid, and so I'd rather just
Speaker 3: leave that up to you guys. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 3: it anymore. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do research
Speaker 3: and write papers and let other people do YouTube videos.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we'll make sure to have you on your
Speaker 1: best any best, all out? All right? Hey, Mark, thanks again,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you being on the program.
Speaker 3: Thanks Cliff, Thanks as always.
Speaker 1: Marks new books available on Amazon and it's also available
Speaker 1: on his website before Atlantis, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: does audible, so I don't know if you could get
Speaker 1: it in that format. But it's a quick read and
Speaker 1: it's a good one. He's got a lot of graphs
Speaker 1: which I will show on the Facebook page. You can
Speaker 1: check out Facebook go to Earth Ancients and I'll have
Speaker 1: it on the group and public site to check out.
Speaker 1: So always good to have Mark on the program. Informative
Speaker 1: and great reference material. He does a thorough job with
Speaker 1: his graphs and his data, so it's good material. Hey,
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