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Speaker 4: and a cult and or s O Teret review of
Speaker 4: the twenty fourteen cinematic masterpiece Inherent Wece based upon the
Speaker 4: Thomas Pinchot novel Novell novel Novell novel both an interesting characters,
Speaker 4: Pinchon and the man who directed the film, Paul Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 4: And in regards to tonight's discussion, probably a lot of
Speaker 4: occult n ESO terrorism around both of those characters, just
Speaker 4: looking at you know, a review of their past and
Speaker 4: whatnot and their other projects. So, without any further ado,
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Speaker 4: me here tonight to get Little GCD. We'll welcome in
Speaker 4: or here our guests. We got Austin Waite Picard, Welcome
Speaker 4: back to Operation GCD.
Speaker 2: Sir, what's up?
Speaker 6: Brother?
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me man, You already know how much
Speaker 7: I appreciate you do it. Every time we talk, I
Speaker 7: learn a lot. So I'm eager to hear just you know,
Speaker 7: pick the brain of not only you, but also the
Speaker 7: other two guests, because I'm certainly excited just to definitely
Speaker 7: workshop ideas in terms of the various just one layered
Speaker 7: applications to so many of the different real you know,
Speaker 7: live scandalous events throughout history, especially more recently in modern history.
Speaker 7: But the era that inherent vice covers, I think is
Speaker 7: very important. So I'm eager to kind of discuss some
Speaker 7: of that, right, I think your spot onsor and I
Speaker 7: learned a lot from you as well.
Speaker 4: In fact, I was catching your already Dead show last
Speaker 4: night and I like where your brain holes that in
Speaker 4: regard as the mc martin school, where you know, all
Speaker 4: the evidence suggests that school was put on top of
Speaker 4: an existing tunnel operation.
Speaker 5: The tunnels were first then the school, right exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like an old money scion family too
Speaker 7: that was involved, uh with that had intelligence connections in
Speaker 7: their background as well.
Speaker 4: Big time, dude, big time. It's crazy to me. You know,
Speaker 4: it's never ending. Thanks again for joining me here tonight, Austin.
Speaker 4: Way for card to get a little GCD. You're the
Speaker 4: host of the Underclass podcast Already Dead. You do another
Speaker 4: one with saying Tripoli that I've yet to follow up
Speaker 4: on a catch but you're you're busy, man. Did you
Speaker 4: have any other plugs you'd like to you like to
Speaker 4: share with the folks with.
Speaker 7: Earwhebs man that that basically covers it all, honestly, just
Speaker 7: check out the Underclass podcast and uh and yeah, you
Speaker 7: enjoy anything you hear or anything I've ever done resonates
Speaker 7: with you. Best place to support me is always the patron.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, and I got your links in the show
Speaker 4: notes all ready for folks to check out. And our
Speaker 4: other guest here tonight, the Cosmic Peach is Julie the
Speaker 4: Cosmic Peach and not Bill Colby, the host of Conspiracy Playtime,
Speaker 4: and welcome back to Operation g You sir, and welcome
Speaker 4: back to Operation GCD for your first time, ma'am.
Speaker 8: I'm actually known as the Cosmic Pair for some reason.
Speaker 5: You all are starting your own little cosmic fruit guards.
Speaker 8: I have a little pair of shaped gotcha.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you all for joining us here tonight for
Speaker 4: this film review. I know we've briefly mentioned in the past.
Speaker 4: I know Austin had mentioned to me before this is
Speaker 4: one of his favorite films, and so did not Bill Colby,
Speaker 4: And I know Julia you had mentioned that you were
Speaker 4: a big fan of this film as well, and you
Speaker 4: know I deeply it's one of my favorite films. In fact,
Speaker 4: it's one of the last films I've seen in the
Speaker 4: theaters where I was didn't really feel disappointed. Right, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of since twenty fourteen. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: disappointments from Hollywood, but this was a good story, solid,
Speaker 4: you know, great directing, you know, great story to base
Speaker 4: it off of, et cetera, because there is variations between
Speaker 4: the screenplay and the book. But you know, I really
Speaker 4: personally though, I connect to this level or this film
Speaker 4: and like a you in the book for that matter,
Speaker 4: and more of a molecular level. I joke because it's
Speaker 4: a private investigator who loves the smoke pot and solved mysteries,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of a lot.
Speaker 7: So that's man, that is too funny, honestly.
Speaker 5: But I do agree with your statement before they're awesome.
Speaker 4: I made that this period of time covered in the
Speaker 4: storyline here Tonight's film is a very integral time in
Speaker 4: America's America's history is a turning point of you will
Speaker 4: to our modern day society agreed, the late sixties, early
Speaker 4: seventies one hundred percent. I think that really the entire
Speaker 4: situation behind the plot, as far as the layered conspiracy
Speaker 4: involved with the plot itself all throughout in terms of
Speaker 4: the Golden Fang enterprise, It's very interesting how you see
Speaker 4: this yeah overarching enterprise, the criminal enterprise playing out in
Speaker 4: more ways than one, which perfectly represents how these insane
Speaker 4: underground networks that are so well established at such a
Speaker 4: sophisticated level. I think it was really post World War Two, right,
Speaker 4: the Gladio Stay Behind networks and the rat lines that
Speaker 4: were effectively, you know, kind of implemented, and you had,
Speaker 4: of course paper Clip. But I think that the trauma
Speaker 4: based mind control followed in a certain way, but as
Speaker 4: far as being prioritized. But still it's not as if
Speaker 4: it wasn't already a priority. But I think it was
Speaker 4: just sort of the sinister nature of what it became.
Speaker 4: But still every level within this plot, it essentially is
Speaker 4: just drug trafficking, you know, arms smuggling at a certain degree,
Speaker 4: there's there's the pharmaceutical nature of running this cult sort
Speaker 4: of running and right, and then we got colts, we
Speaker 4: got mind control, we got the rehab centers. I mean,
Speaker 4: what you're describing is what you're what you're describing is
Speaker 4: the operation Gladio Stay Behind, drug trafficking, Uh, you know,
Speaker 4: murder inc.
Speaker 5: You know, enterprises. I think he's on it. It's all
Speaker 5: covered in here.
Speaker 4: It's all focuses around the Manson story and it's taking
Speaker 4: place at the time of the Manson trials. That's the
Speaker 4: storyline is going on. And they reference the Manson stuff
Speaker 4: throughout here, and there's so much Manson lore and whatnot
Speaker 4: embedded throughout this film because I've been a big I've
Speaker 4: been on the Manson trail for about fifteen years now,
Speaker 4: long before I found out Old Charlie and I were
Speaker 4: both you know, we were ken folks from Pikeville, Kentucky,
Speaker 4: you know, McCoy's and Mainards that is.
Speaker 5: But what we're describing is what I like to call
Speaker 5: Colby's queers.
Speaker 4: Not not this Colby, Bill Colby and his stay behind network,
Speaker 4: and not a commentary on their sexual preferences, but the
Speaker 4: strange and almallest nature that these psychological operations and military
Speaker 4: operations have left in our society, with you know, the
Speaker 4: you know, the confluence of these events with the mafia, military, spooks,
Speaker 4: drug trafficking.
Speaker 5: We see it all here in the Colts. So it
Speaker 5: is a very interesting story in the Guard.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Arian Brotherhood, you have the like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, I forgot about that. Yep, yep.
Speaker 7: Yet not only were they running security, but they're helping
Speaker 7: with you know, really every level of the operation, you know,
Speaker 7: targeted assassinations were being you know conducted. Basically one of
Speaker 7: them was a Cohen intel pro operative that was essentially
Speaker 7: being hired by the FEDS to commit targeted assassinations in
Speaker 7: political executions. I mean, it's crazy to me. But also
Speaker 7: you brought up Charles Manson how much is layered in
Speaker 7: throughout this the same thing with with of course, like
Speaker 7: what I thought of was the role of the Brotherhood
Speaker 7: of Eternal Love, the biker gang involved at the Ultimat
Speaker 7: festival and how they essentially were there providing was it
Speaker 7: Ronald Stark or something was his name that that was
Speaker 7: basically claimed that he he said that he was essentially
Speaker 7: he provided pace slips from Langley, that he was he
Speaker 7: was smuggling all of this LSD and this Orange Sunshine
Speaker 7: acid on behalf of the actual CIA right all throughout
Speaker 7: the sixties is what he was claiming. But anyway, just
Speaker 7: completely to me that being introduced to the general population
Speaker 7: as far as like orange Sunshine acid, like having these
Speaker 7: very unique and you know, just unique qualities in terms
Speaker 7: of the chemical compound itself and then being distributed by
Speaker 7: what the authorities were referring to as the hippie mafia, right,
Speaker 7: which was it was. It's just it is all layered
Speaker 7: throughout this plot in a way that I think the
Speaker 7: average person sort of misses, especially on like first viewing,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, They're not big.
Speaker 4: I've talked a lot of folks that are familiar with
Speaker 4: these narratives and conspiracy culture we're describing. You've seen this film,
Speaker 4: and they don't pick up a lot. And I'm not
Speaker 4: diminishing their few points, but it is it is deeply
Speaker 4: embedded in this film and even myself, I've watched it
Speaker 4: literally one hundred plus times, you know, and I continue
Speaker 4: to pick up on little parts and pieces here and
Speaker 4: there because my my knowledge of these subjects also evolved.
Speaker 5: So I did.
Speaker 4: I did a review of this in the Cult and
Speaker 4: Orreesso Terror review my first one film review, I think
Speaker 4: with Recluse at the Forum on this film. He's a
Speaker 4: big fan of it as well. Did that about two
Speaker 4: and a half years ago. So I've evolved with a
Speaker 4: lot of my viewpoints on these subject matters even in
Speaker 4: that time. So you know, I think it is important
Speaker 4: to note that even seeing it once, like you're saying,
Speaker 4: and watching it over again, you know, with a new
Speaker 4: lenser perspective. I think it is. It's interesting what you
Speaker 4: pick up on this film. It is that layered and deep.
Speaker 4: But before we go any further here tonight's festivities and
Speaker 4: film reviews, do you all have anything you working on
Speaker 4: over their conspiracy play time or causing Peach, I know
Speaker 4: y'all are oftentimes just as busy there as mister Austin
Speaker 4: wait Percard as far as show.
Speaker 7: Talking content over your introduction, guys, I didn't mean to
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 3: You're good.
Speaker 8: That's the way it goes. Introductions can go all over
Speaker 8: the place, right.
Speaker 9: We actually are kind of working on something together right now, Combo, Yeah,
Speaker 9: Peach and Pair.
Speaker 3: It's a three part series. Do you want to talk
Speaker 3: about it because I talked about it last time.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It's just focused on mental illness and the history of
Speaker 8: different perspectives on it culturally throughout time, and then of
Speaker 8: course tying in all the MK culture stuff pharmaceuticals, and
Speaker 8: then I think in the third episode we'll talk about
Speaker 8: the pop culture element. You know, one Flee over the
Speaker 8: Cuckoo's Nest, all of it American horror story.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm excited about that one. But I'm probably gonna
Speaker 9: be taking a couple of weeks off here soon, so
Speaker 9: we decided to do one last little uh series together,
Speaker 9: kick off maternity.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she says, take a couple of weeks off. I'm
Speaker 8: kind of laughing about that.
Speaker 3: What you don't think I can?
Speaker 8: Oh, I think we're gonna take more off.
Speaker 3: Oh I was gonna say that. I at least need
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Yeah, over conspiracy playtime. I've got so many episodes backlogged
Speaker 8: that it's hard to keep up with. But yeah, trying
Speaker 8: to be consistent with it got real political lately with
Speaker 8: all the you know, technocracy stuff. But hopefully I'm gonna
Speaker 8: swing it back to the funner topics.
Speaker 4: I yeah like that, like Murder and Colts, like we
Speaker 4: did on that, It's win raised cold. That was a
Speaker 4: real born burner. I appreciate your own loaded me on
Speaker 4: that conversation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, have you released that yet? I'm just curious because
Speaker 8: I somebody did you did?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, right around the same time Julie did there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm a lot of rave reviews.
Speaker 8: Oh good. Yeah, that was a fun episode, especially since
Speaker 8: it's a cult local to us that it was operating.
Speaker 8: I'm sure, some people I know were doing d MT
Speaker 8: with those folks up in the mountains, and yeah.
Speaker 4: Well for sure I had time. Spread Oh go ahead, Julia,
Speaker 4: I followed this good.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, you're fine.
Speaker 9: I was just gonna say I had a good time
Speaker 9: doing the Twins review too. So I always like to
Speaker 9: jump on for movies. I think it's fun, and this
Speaker 9: one actually was one that Colby was like, oh, you
Speaker 9: have to watch it, and I was like, it looks
Speaker 9: super lame. I don't watch it, and then you know,
Speaker 9: I at the end of it, I was just kind
Speaker 9: of like, what the fuck did I just watch? Because
Speaker 9: it's told from like walking perspective, I guess, and so.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what I just saw,
Speaker 3: Like what what?
Speaker 9: And then he explained it to me, and then I
Speaker 9: watched it again, and then I was in the middle
Speaker 9: of watching it right before we jumped on. And there's
Speaker 9: so many like little hidden things. You can't just watch
Speaker 9: it one time. You have to watch it a couple times.
Speaker 9: The first time I watched it, it felt disjointed and
Speaker 9: it felt like, what is.
Speaker 3: This a dream he's having? You know?
Speaker 5: I felt the same way.
Speaker 4: And I've heard that common review because you get that,
Speaker 4: you know, you have that in the book. You have
Speaker 4: a narrator and you have a friend, and then they
Speaker 4: mashed a narrator and the friend together. So sometimes you
Speaker 4: see her. Sometimes she's real and sometimes she's not. But
Speaker 4: it also plays, I think, into that trippy nature of
Speaker 4: the entire film in that respect.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, no, this was a really cool one. I'm
Speaker 9: glad you picked this one. Kolbe will be able to
Speaker 9: offer up more than even I can, but it was
Speaker 9: a movie.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to do this.
Speaker 4: If I may just offer a couple of quick plugs
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Speaker 4: some other barn burners here this week.
Speaker 5: Somewhere I got them. Maybe not. Oh there it is.
Speaker 4: Got Anatomy as Satantic Panic Tomorrow night, nine point fifteen
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Speaker 4: of the propaganda unpacking, sort of the framework there with
Speaker 4: the Landing report, how Oprah Winfrey gets involved and so
Speaker 4: on and so forth, building upon our sie ops to
Speaker 4: mine more patterned of behavior and operations there from holding
Speaker 4: up at mikey Akino and Gang.
Speaker 5: I like to make it. I like to make him
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Speaker 4: You know, he's got a litle bit more teeth going on,
Speaker 4: the more blood popping off on his uniform, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, deserves it for sure.
Speaker 8: He needs more eyebrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well I didn't want to spoiler alert sir,
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Speaker 4: Zizzians invade Vermont. Somebody trans Apocalypse, Silicon Valley based AI
Speaker 4: focused rationalist vegan homicidal death cult. They're still out in
Speaker 4: about no worries. In fact, literally literally the Process church
Speaker 4: that their attorney to get helped the leader of that
Speaker 4: cult fake his death before they went on their murder
Speaker 4: spree is literally part of the Neoork Process and bandmates
Speaker 4: with Boyd Rice, major figure in the Neo Process. Church
Speaker 4: of Satan ard Nazi Satan is Nazi type Tracy Twyman's
Speaker 4: old mentor. Right, every time I mentioned that, folks, you
Speaker 4: seem to think I'm talking trust, I'm just sick calls
Speaker 4: them house the season.
Speaker 5: Sat in the facts.
Speaker 7: But yeah, what are your thoughts on Tracy Twinement, because
Speaker 7: I just said, yeah, a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 2: On that too.
Speaker 5: Okay, we'll talk about that time. Yeah, well, yeah, happy
Speaker 5: to share them.
Speaker 4: I shared a lot of them when I was unpacking
Speaker 4: some of the ideas around this, the uh, the framework
Speaker 4: of the Satanic panic propaganda. There was a real Satanic
Speaker 4: panic in the media, right, organized, well organized, well financed,
Speaker 4: in order to you know, deter folks from trust in
Speaker 4: their own census, you know, up with mikey Akina was
Speaker 4: a Star Wars fan fiction writer, so I often describe
Speaker 4: it as he's doing like a Jedi mind trick on folks.
Speaker 4: These are not the Satanis you're looking for, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's that's one hundred percent what they
Speaker 7: did and what what it. It was hilarious because I
Speaker 7: remember covering it around the time that I did the
Speaker 7: Finders episode, which really plunged me into the sort of
Speaker 7: more state sponsored child sex trafficking networks that are legitimately uh,
Speaker 7: you know, credible, and you can you can go through
Speaker 7: the documents and legitimately see the evidence that was you know,
Speaker 7: presented by the United States Customs Agent Ramond J. Martinez,
Speaker 7: and and uh, it becomes undeniable, and it also becomes
Speaker 7: very evident why they sort of derailed his career path
Speaker 7: and and because he remained at least grounded within fundamental
Speaker 7: basic principles and ethics in terms of abusing children, right
Speaker 7: and refusing to remain silent, but then also realizing that
Speaker 7: maybe his own well being was at stake, so potentially
Speaker 7: he should just like remain silent in terms of media appearances.
Speaker 7: But either way, it's fascinating to see how they used
Speaker 7: the Satanic panic, which to me is just another manufactured,
Speaker 7: you know, misconception, right.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, Now your spot onster, you are spot on,
Speaker 4: and i'll if I may at a response to your
Speaker 4: statement and provide your response at Tracy Twyman Common as.
Speaker 5: Well, sir.
Speaker 4: Also Real Quick Fridays at nine to fifteen pm Eastern
Speaker 4: Saint Times here with my weekly roundtable on conspiracy culture
Speaker 4: and high weirdness with Tim, host of a sixth century podcast.
Speaker 5: So that'll be a real barn burner as well.
Speaker 4: But now you're spot on there Austin, so QAnon and
Speaker 4: Pizzagate respond off as the next the next version of
Speaker 4: this Satanic panic and literally orchestrated by Paul Valet you know,
Speaker 4: which is a keynote boss who wrote the SIPs of
Speaker 4: Mind where General Vallet's on Fox News pushing a lot
Speaker 4: of these kind across the media and his shit old
Speaker 4: General Flynn there and in regards to so that's intriguing.
Speaker 4: And then of course you see Tracy Twyman on the
Speaker 4: front end of that. She's on the tip of the
Speaker 4: spear with pushing that stuff. She even seems to have
Speaker 4: started her own little Q and on operation called in
Speaker 4: and On or something like that. I did a show
Speaker 4: in a couple weeks ago on my Thursdays. I included it.
Speaker 4: But she so this is this is kind of my
Speaker 4: broad perspective on her. So she she parts ways officially
Speaker 4: allegedly with Boyd Rice and the Devout Satan's Nazzi Fella,
Speaker 4: the guy who invented industrial rock, another one of his proteges,
Speaker 4: you know, along with Genesis Peorich and almost exclusively processed
Speaker 4: Church movement, none of you know, between him and Peorch
Speaker 4: and then their underlinger, their protege Trent Reznor and Marilyn
Speaker 4: Manson there would record their first albums in the Tate
Speaker 4: Polanski death House in the studio in the angeleand Pig Studio,
Speaker 4: so that it's a little too on the nose for it, right,
Speaker 4: But she parts way as a fish to the Boyd
Speaker 4: Rice in December of twenty or two thousand and four.
Speaker 4: So in January of two thousand and two, Tracy Twin
Speaker 4: publishes an article about sexual Satanic ritual abuse in Hustler
Speaker 4: magazine where she's naming, literally naming Larry Flint in that
Speaker 4: piece has been president. And I'm not saying it's not true,
Speaker 4: but what I'm saying is the idea you're publishing that
Speaker 4: in Larry French's publication is a little silly.
Speaker 5: So that's two.
Speaker 4: Thousand and two. She breaks no mentions of the current
Speaker 4: this is all old shit, no mentions of the current shit,
Speaker 4: despite her being really good friends with the major player
Speaker 4: in the neo process in Church of Satan, Boyd Rice,
Speaker 4: her co author and mentor, so they part ways two
Speaker 4: thousand and four. Well, in two thousand and eight she
Speaker 4: publishes that a longer version of that article from the
Speaker 4: Hustler magazine, and a book in two thousand and eight
Speaker 4: about mind control. Still no mention of Boyd Rice or
Speaker 4: any of these other new Satanists or process folks, and
Speaker 4: she hasn't really changed her mind on anything. And then
Speaker 4: after that she's booking neo processment folks like Al Jorgensen
Speaker 4: on Clyde Lewis the show, right, and Clyde Lewis, again,
Speaker 4: this is something he told me. He didn't say neo process.
Speaker 4: He just said she booked Al Jorgenson. So, well that's
Speaker 4: a major neo process figure and he he, you know,
Speaker 4: he well again I can go full process. I won't
Speaker 4: do that, but say what I'm saying there is then
Speaker 4: she starts writing books about Baphomet. No mention of Doug,
Speaker 4: you know, Lucy and Greaves. In twenty twelve, he starts
Speaker 4: doing his national tour with the Satanic Temple. He runs
Speaker 4: the process dot org website. He attacks Satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 4: victims through the false memory syndrome. Spychiatrist. Right, it's all
Speaker 4: the same network, you know, scumbags in my opinion. But
Speaker 4: and I'm not speaking them that. I'm just saying folks
Speaker 4: like Lucy and Greeds and whatnot there but the propaganda's play,
Speaker 4: you know, in the control of opposition. They seem to
Speaker 4: have a purpose for somebody like like Tracy who's writing
Speaker 4: books about Baha Met and not mentioning Doug the Satanic
Speaker 4: temple Bafomet and you know, loos and greaves and all
Speaker 4: that stuff. And I'm like, well, and now I asked
Speaker 4: her that question. These are things I brought up to her.
Speaker 4: I'm being you know, candid here. I probably to her
Speaker 4: when our discussions and our communications minding her so, you know,
Speaker 4: like because she was attacking the Templar and Santael's baft mists,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what about these guys? And then I look
Speaker 4: more to that there Rynan process dot Org. He's a
Speaker 4: he's a false memory guy from Harvard spychiatrist. I mean,
Speaker 4: and like, you're not writing about their baffro mat stuff
Speaker 4: right right, and you're telling me all this templars. I
Speaker 4: was just literally reciting the Vaticans playbook.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get too far down that rabbit hole,
Speaker 4: but that is kind of my thoughts on these matters.
Speaker 4: When we look at a lot of these things in
Speaker 4: conspiracy culture, Manson included. He's a major figure as far
Speaker 4: as venerated amongst amongst the Nazi Satanist crowd, like Boyd Rice,
Speaker 4: who did the Manson Chronicles with Nicholas Shrek. So you know,
Speaker 4: these are these are things that when there's a subculture
Speaker 4: today that still venerates a lot of these principles that
Speaker 4: we see here within that that movement, and going back
Speaker 4: to those film, you know that Manson. You can't separate
Speaker 4: Manson in the process. Folks try to like Tom O'Neil, but.
Speaker 5: They're not. They're not being honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, they're absolutely not. And there's I mean to me,
Speaker 7: it seems as if they were using the same alias, right,
Speaker 7: isn't that what what Charles Manson claimed himself, which is
Speaker 7: so ridiculous that you had like individual process members who
Speaker 7: were at the authoritative level as far as the leadership level,
Speaker 7: had had allegedly went that traveled from Boston and met
Speaker 7: with what's his name? Uh, the dude that that had
Speaker 7: the falling out with with Tom O'Neill right later on,
Speaker 7: uh ship what's his name? Dammit? Just as far as
Speaker 7: the individual prosecutor, I believe, but hold on, let me
Speaker 7: pull that. Yeah, dude, I didn't. I was going to say, Bela.
Speaker 8: Lagosi Bela is dead.
Speaker 7: We that is so funny.
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, I think we see the back
Speaker 4: of these of this of the spook operations there in
Speaker 4: the cover up of these narratives today with Tom O'Neill,
Speaker 4: you know ed Sanders pegged him as a spook, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, over a decade ago when he's working on
Speaker 4: this twenty year volume of the Manson story right like
Speaker 4: in Sanders files, like he wanted nothing to do with
Speaker 4: Tom O'Neill, you know what I mean, he's a wise man,
Speaker 4: that's Sanders.
Speaker 8: Well, Tom O'Neill went on Joe Rogan show to plug
Speaker 8: that book. Rogan hadn't even finished fucking reading it yet,
Speaker 8: and you can tell, like, Okay, as soon as somebody's
Speaker 8: on that podcast, my haunches go up, and then you
Speaker 8: see like Danny Doudaw's stuff that she's been uncovering about
Speaker 8: Tom O'Neill. It's just like, fuck, I liked that book
Speaker 8: a lot. Yeah, because it did give us new ship,
Speaker 8: no doubt about that, but absolutely crumbs away from like
Speaker 8: the process shit that you're talking about.
Speaker 9: Isn't there something a guy with like a pew vest
Speaker 9: or is that Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, no, that's strangely enough, his name is Bill Vance
Speaker 4: with Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, no, not I checked it out. Not his birthday.
Speaker 4: But it is strange while he took the name of
Speaker 4: the pseudonym surnamed Vance, I'm very confused with that still
Speaker 4: to this day, of who he knew in which to
Speaker 4: take that name, I'm very curious, but I've yet to
Speaker 4: find out that answer.
Speaker 5: But no, it's not his given name. But he didn't.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of characters loved him, love he made.
Speaker 4: He made an entire vest, his motorcycle vest was made
Speaker 4: out of pubes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you.
Speaker 5: Never went to prison?
Speaker 3: Uh do you do you remember thrash? He told me
Speaker 3: about the pub best. He said it was in Chaos
Speaker 3: and I was like, really, I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I first read about it, and Adam go rightly, he's
Speaker 4: the shadow over Santa Susannah.
Speaker 5: I believe.
Speaker 7: Okay, very interesting, which is a good book.
Speaker 4: It's not, it's not you know again, you much like
Speaker 4: Tom O'Neal, I don't throw the baby out with the bathtub.
Speaker 4: Tom O'Neill does present a lot of good evidence about
Speaker 4: the Operation Chaos, and I think that's important to understand
Speaker 4: these components of Charlie was playing so many different sides.
Speaker 4: I think he was an agent for a lot of
Speaker 4: different people and we see that exemplified in this film,
Speaker 4: in fact with Owen Wilson's character. But before we do that,
Speaker 4: let's let's describe the film tonight. Say we got Jacquin
Speaker 4: Phoenix in her advice is a private investigator in Serra
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy There writers at seventy one. They tell you
Speaker 4: the beginning of the film is seventy right, Gordiina Beach, right,
Speaker 4: which is kind of a it's kind of a fake
Speaker 4: Santa Monica, I think, right, I mean, you're you're an.
Speaker 7: Ass supposed to Yeah, it's supposed to be in Manhattan
Speaker 7: Beach because I believe that was where the author was
Speaker 7: living when he wrote the book, and so he kind
Speaker 7: of modeled it after Manhattan Beach, which, by the way,
Speaker 7: Manhattan Beach the mc martin preschool, anyone doesn't ring a bell, right,
Speaker 7: Like that is legitimately where that major skin it all
Speaker 7: takes place. So it's not at all surprising to me
Speaker 7: that that would have been the location, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, No, that's a that's a great point, and
Speaker 4: and that's one of the things I found intriguing about this.
Speaker 4: But me, uh, just bringing y'all's attention to mister, not
Speaker 4: an actual Vance.
Speaker 8: He looks like seeing his face, he actually looks like
Speaker 8: a guy who would wear a pube vest right.
Speaker 5: In line up.
Speaker 8: Probably few vests like he's probably this makes so much
Speaker 8: more sense.
Speaker 4: So he he so many things about Charlie are misunderstood.
Speaker 4: For for a period of time there he was running
Speaker 4: a quote unquote modeling agency on the Sunset Strip.
Speaker 5: And old Bill Van you know Bill Vance. What's that, sir?
Speaker 7: Do you know the name of it? I'm just curious.
Speaker 5: It was Stars Talent Agency. Okay.
Speaker 4: Interesting, he was running as as I got out a
Speaker 4: Terminal Island there when he when he linked up with
Speaker 4: I'm digging deep my brain hole for some Manson lower Kaufman,
Speaker 4: the music producer that got him linked up with the
Speaker 4: Beach Boys. That was his cell made at Terminal Island.
Speaker 4: He got him linked up, was running some ladies there
Speaker 4: and Bill Van Sickle was doing one recruiting from strip clubs,
Speaker 4: him and his pew Best. Interesting, so you know some
Speaker 4: of the ladies in the Manson grouve got linked up
Speaker 4: in there because of he was the recruiter right there.
Speaker 4: He doesn't get described much. He's never done any prison
Speaker 4: time for the Manson crimes, right major f.
Speaker 7: I know it was, Yeah, Charlie legitimately said as far
Speaker 7: as what was it, the Robert Moore was the alias
Speaker 7: that Robert Grimston allegedly went by, right. So that was
Speaker 7: another firm process connection that always blew my mind whenever
Speaker 7: I covered the Ultimate Evil and Ed Sanders book as well,
Speaker 7: just in terms of the various connections that they laid
Speaker 7: out for for Manson himself, and I think it was
Speaker 7: also what was it philed phil Jahon or something like that.
Speaker 7: I believe he's the author of a book that essentially
Speaker 7: laid out the the descriptive nature of Manson, essentially claiming
Speaker 7: to have associated with Robert de Grimston and uh and
Speaker 7: claiming that what he told to This is the craziest part,
Speaker 7: because this was during the Tate Lebionca trial that he
Speaker 7: tells uh uh uh Bugliosi that whenever Bugliosi asked him
Speaker 7: if he knew Robert Moore, Charlie responds, you're looking at
Speaker 7: him more and I are one and the same, And
Speaker 7: that always just yeah, dude, I mean it reminded me of.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it.
Speaker 7: Was Aleister Crowley and Hitler, right like that strange connection there.
Speaker 7: There was a quote that that's almost rang just as
Speaker 7: as far as the similarities, it's it's kind of extraordinary,
Speaker 7: but still not at all surprising that you had that
Speaker 7: sort of could obviously the Theosophical Society and the strange
Speaker 7: nature of the Nazi occult that in what they were practicing,
Speaker 7: but but yeah, I don't know, man, it definitely and
Speaker 7: considering the direct connection to Manson specifically claiming that he
Speaker 7: and Robert de Grimston we were living under the same alias,
Speaker 7: it just was stunning to me. And then it was
Speaker 7: the father John and brother Matthew, and I wondered if
Speaker 7: it was like was it there's father John is mentioned
Speaker 7: multiple times right as far as certain even going and
Speaker 7: visiting with Manson before they actually issued the death issue
Speaker 7: of the Process magazine, which was directly yeah, where where
Speaker 7: they put in the Manson essay or whatever the hell
Speaker 7: it was, which is just extraordinary to me. But but yeah,
Speaker 7: that it was. Those were the two representatives of the
Speaker 7: Process that went to meet with the with the Bugliosi,
Speaker 7: which which I just thought fascinating obviously, you know, but.
Speaker 5: Anyway, PR game pretty good, don't they.
Speaker 4: I Mean, they're always trying to cover their their steps, right,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what they do excel.
Speaker 11: In that, right.
Speaker 7: And the allegedly it was after he was asking questions
Speaker 7: the prosecutor about the process that he was then visited.
Speaker 7: As much as I think he was, he was controlled
Speaker 7: as far as uh, you know, I think he was
Speaker 7: somewhat compromised and very much on the take. As far
Speaker 7: as Bugliosi's role within the trial itself, I just think, uh,
Speaker 7: the the nature of them actually, you know, taking the
Speaker 7: effort to go and actually meet with Bugliosi and then
Speaker 7: ask him various questions and and confirm with him that
Speaker 7: Robert de Grimston never like sort of uh at the
Speaker 7: very least, they never preached violence of any kind.
Speaker 5: Right, and he is the devil, but we're not violent. Right.
Speaker 4: And then if you look at all these aspects again,
Speaker 4: you start looking at the all the theology or philosophies
Speaker 4: of Manson, it's all processing.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 4: There's just no way to separate the two on above.
Speaker 4: These are the examples you're providing right there, which are
Speaker 4: excellent examples. And we see the maschinations of this entirement
Speaker 4: of this processing machine. And when you're saying Bogliosi, didn't
Speaker 4: they went and met with him. They could You're right,
Speaker 4: they could have just met with him at the next
Speaker 4: cult meeting if you asked me, because Bogliosi has got
Speaker 4: some weird sex cult stuff going on in his life,
Speaker 4: and he's not the first one in the l A
Speaker 4: Prosecutor's office we have. It was Charles Manson's personal friend
Speaker 4: and representative. From what I believe it was, Uh Linda
Speaker 4: or the one of the Manson girls, Uh uh Cassavian,
Speaker 4: thank you, Kasevian. Believe it's Cassavian's attorney there in the
Speaker 4: Manson trial for a while, which is again the period
Speaker 4: we're talking about here. And again they referenced throughout the
Speaker 4: film the Manson family and the Colts, and we see
Speaker 4: the machinations of that Colt again throughout the film. We
Speaker 4: see the outlaw biker gangs, we see the Satanist Nazis,
Speaker 4: we see the dentists.
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with Old Charlie's buddy Victor.
Speaker 7: Wild No, honestly, Oh all.
Speaker 5: Right, Colby, Julie, have you all familier with Victor Wilde?
Speaker 8: He was a dentist with a pub.
Speaker 5: He was not only a dentist, sir. He was also
Speaker 5: the head.
Speaker 4: He was a Satanist Nazi, the head of I believe
Speaker 4: it was Satan Slaves outlaw biker gang there they were
Speaker 4: Charlie was charging you know, this was again this is
Speaker 4: the machinations of the drug trade there. So they're working
Speaker 4: with these outlaw biker gangs for largely logistics and security,
Speaker 4: which is still going on today. In fact, I was
Speaker 4: going across an example in the Idaho four case of
Speaker 4: that same situation outlaw biker gangs literally admitting to investigators
Speaker 4: in that case and documents released. So they were doing
Speaker 4: security to drug shipments to the murder house, being you know,
Speaker 4: for drop offs, which again is the same thing we're
Speaker 4: talking about here as far as the outlaw biker gangs go.
Speaker 4: But Victor Wild yeah, really good friends with Charlie dentists,
Speaker 4: uh and the leader of one of those outlaw biker
Speaker 4: gangs there, and we see those folks in the film.
Speaker 3: Can I just say something real quick? I know this
Speaker 3: is kind of like maybe off and I know JJ
Speaker 3: doesn't watch Dexter, but view of the season with the
Speaker 3: Barrel Girls.
Speaker 9: Oh, like the there was a network of dudes kidnapping
Speaker 9: and raping and torturing these girls.
Speaker 3: One of them was a dentist.
Speaker 7: I remember that.
Speaker 3: One of them was like a motivational.
Speaker 8: Speaker, like the self help guy.
Speaker 9: But one of them was a d dan the dentist.
Speaker 9: But I just find it interesting. There's always like some
Speaker 9: some group of people, a dentist is involved, like public
Speaker 9: is involved.
Speaker 4: You're pointing out there, all Star team. Sounds like you
Speaker 4: got a mind control guy. You're a dentist guy. So
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not precisely certain what these dentists. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of weird dentists around Manson in the family,
Speaker 4: but there's.
Speaker 8: A lot of big biology.
Speaker 7: To wow, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm I'm telling
Speaker 7: you there was a concerted effort to apparently utilize these
Speaker 7: fake dentistry cutouts for intelligence purposes while they were actually
Speaker 7: experimenting on these molar implants they would utilize for brain
Speaker 7: implants effectively, it really was, and it was behavioral modification
Speaker 7: and and uh and understanding.
Speaker 4: I assume that's the roller playing right. It's some sort
Speaker 4: of like trying to control.
Speaker 3: Bart and short.
Speaker 7: It's so fucking funny in this in this role, dude,
Speaker 7: I'll be honest, he kills it this sequence when it's
Speaker 7: just so perfect, Dude, it's so perfect, like it's got
Speaker 7: coke energy all day. And then they get in the car.
Speaker 4: It's the best ie coke.
Speaker 7: What did he say? Don't just h I forget when
Speaker 7: he puts, hey, what are you putting underneath the seat man,
Speaker 7: it's like it's straight up status.
Speaker 5: No attention to them, no attention to that package.
Speaker 4: So as we as we're describing her, ya Queen Phoenix's
Speaker 4: character of the pot smoking p I, he gets basically
Speaker 4: embroiled in this not by his own intent. Folks, are
Speaker 4: you know there's a there's a puppet. There's someone pulling
Speaker 4: the strings here. There's a puppet master if you will.
Speaker 4: And that's in my opinion, Josh Brolin that we see
Speaker 4: throughout the film it's kind of pulling the strings on
Speaker 4: this and and and pushing Ya Queen Phoenix's character into
Speaker 4: into doing his Brolin's deeds form because he's fed up
Speaker 4: with a corruption within l A p D. But it's
Speaker 4: funny because Brolin plays a robbery homicide detective who I
Speaker 4: presume is amalgamation of a few guys, but most notably
Speaker 4: Philip Van Atder.
Speaker 7: Is that an ash that's a direct reference. You think
Speaker 7: he was inspired by his character was inspired by that individual,
Speaker 7: is what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Well, they both have Yeah, they both have a Dutch name, right,
Speaker 4: Philip van Atdter and you got Bigfoot Norwegian name right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 7: The it's so interesting how how they do Like I
Speaker 7: thought what Julia was describing earlier, as far as the
Speaker 7: sort of psychological state that it the just the the
Speaker 7: nature of the film and and kind of the pace
Speaker 7: and every single aspect of it, it feels like you're
Speaker 7: suffering from. It's so funny because they continually reference heavy
Speaker 7: Doper's memory and then he's he's consistently sitting there and
Speaker 7: he's like, not hallucinating, he's writing on his notepad right
Speaker 7: when he's sitting there, having conversations, and he's like and
Speaker 7: these yeah, these various connections are being made and he's
Speaker 7: trying to ground himself back into reality, like is this real?
Speaker 7: And now you're questioning that very fact as the audience member,
Speaker 7: which is another real just a brilliant facet to the experience.
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's a I think it's honestly, it's
Speaker 7: it was It's an extraordinary film for that reason alone,
Speaker 7: because it does sort of evoke these emotions that are
Speaker 7: directly I think what they were hoping to achieve, and uh,
Speaker 7: man like.
Speaker 5: I think you're I think you're right.
Speaker 4: As far as the trippy nature of it, right, I
Speaker 4: think I think Pnchon did a good job on the book,
Speaker 4: but Anderson even excelled on that by kind of again
Speaker 4: matching the narrator and the achuen Phoenix's friend and the
Speaker 4: same person becomes very trippy of what is and is
Speaker 4: not the current reality that man's experiencing. Objectively, we're inside
Speaker 4: his head, right, But yeah, real quick, straight Satans, thank
Speaker 4: you much. That is Victor Wilde. It was he was
Speaker 4: the Straights, not Satan slaves. Straight Satans. I get my
Speaker 4: I get my Nazi Satans biker games currently. But it's
Speaker 4: a it's a great point anti IDENTI I'm a huge
Speaker 4: anti dent anti identis.
Speaker 5: That medieval tor torture Seinfeld that's.
Speaker 8: Got a theory about why Joaquin's Phoenix character is so
Speaker 8: disjointed because it took me probably about ten viewings before
Speaker 8: I got to this theory. But I think that he
Speaker 8: is actually an ultra victim he is being he's being
Speaker 8: like led down so many paths by so many people.
Speaker 8: He doesn't question any of it. He knows he hallucinates.
Speaker 8: I think the narrator slash friend is supposed to be
Speaker 8: his hallucination. Like it's that that Joanna Newsom character. No
Speaker 8: one else ever acknowledges her. It's usually just those two
Speaker 8: alone in a scene, but even when they're with other people,
Speaker 8: he's the only one who sees her. So I think that, Like, yeah, big,
Speaker 8: I like it.
Speaker 4: I like that idea, sir, because he's also, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: part of an Operation Chaost like we're talking about with
Speaker 4: Manson being part of the CIA's Operation Chaos at least
Speaker 4: in one component. And how Ellen Wilson kind of represents
Speaker 4: a portion of that tale in the film and his character.
Speaker 4: But Jack Queen phantasy, if you think about it, he's
Speaker 4: a a PI working under the name Doc at a
Speaker 4: at a free medical clinic, right, and he's got a
Speaker 4: handler who's played by Benicio del Toro, who's this weird
Speaker 4: Marie Marine time lawyer.
Speaker 5: Right, He's got like a lawyer handle WHOA.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So Manson was playing all these
Speaker 4: sides we know that much. We know he was doing it.
Speaker 4: We see this naming with Owen Wilson in the film,
Speaker 4: but ultimately speaking playing all these sides, they're really only
Speaker 4: playing for one side, and that's ultimately this cult within
Speaker 4: this national security frame framework. And that's what we see,
Speaker 4: you know, spoil alert towards the end of the film,
Speaker 4: when Jaqueen Phoenix gets Owen Wilson's character out of out
Speaker 4: of this cult network situation, this Cohen tail Pro stuff.
Speaker 4: So we see Coen Telpro and you know, literally described
Speaker 4: in the film, but we see the machinations of Operation
Speaker 4: Chaos played out through Yaqueen Phoenix's character. And again we
Speaker 4: see other elements of this with the Black Gorilla Gang
Speaker 4: who's teaming up with the outlaw Nazi bikers, and we
Speaker 4: see that represent through folks like Donald the Freeze in
Speaker 4: the Manson Family exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yes, the girl that's like that, that's narrating, that's supposed
Speaker 9: to be the friend watching it back again today.
Speaker 3: Maybe this is out of the book, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but like even the language she uses, it's so new
Speaker 3: age like dreamlike weirdness, hypnotic, right, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 9: The Neptune is going to conjunct with this and the
Speaker 9: dope and the dad, and I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 9: it really does feel like it's almost meant to confuse
Speaker 9: you at points.
Speaker 8: Yes, she's his programming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I Yeah, that's what here.
Speaker 8: Here's a funny thing too. So that's Joanna Newsome, the
Speaker 8: harp player that's playing Liege. She's married to Andy Samberg
Speaker 8: from Saturday Night Life.
Speaker 5: Oh way.
Speaker 8: Yeah. And Paul Thomas Anderson, the director of this movie.
Speaker 8: The chick that works in the front office. That's Paul
Speaker 8: Thomas Anderson's I have this weird like Scientology Saturday night Life.
Speaker 4: That's well, I'm glad you said that there, because there's
Speaker 4: only so many films you can do relative to scientology
Speaker 4: with science intelligence where you make the top of my
Speaker 4: list of secret scientologists.
Speaker 5: Thomas Anderson's up there for sure.
Speaker 8: I mean, have you seen The Master?
Speaker 5: I think that's what I think, that's what got.
Speaker 7: Of course he I'm gonna have to rewatch it again
Speaker 7: after it's a watch. I love it so much though
Speaker 7: when I when I first watched it, I watched it
Speaker 7: many times when it first came out. But yeah, in hindsight,
Speaker 7: now knowing what I do about because again it was
Speaker 7: I wasn't as well versed in definitely hadn't even been
Speaker 7: introduced to the process when I first watched that film.
Speaker 7: So it's like, uh, thinking about it now, especially in
Speaker 7: terms of, you know, clearly the uh, the the scientology
Speaker 7: nature of of of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Clearly I mean
Speaker 7: representing l H. You know, which is.
Speaker 5: Just not a good light, and they do not like
Speaker 5: that within scientilic right.
Speaker 7: But again, it just to me it was interesting because
Speaker 7: like Joaquin Phoenix in that role, he was like this,
Speaker 7: he was definitely fractured in every way as a person.
Speaker 7: It was like what the animalistic nature of mankind is
Speaker 7: what it was supposed to represent or something I believe
Speaker 7: is what they hoped his character would represent to the audience,
Speaker 7: Which makes sense if you're considering like who is most
Speaker 7: vulnerable to this kind of esoteric these kind of esoteric
Speaker 7: teachings in terms of like many of the occult New
Speaker 7: Age organizations that were I believe, kind of made out
Speaker 7: of whole cloth by the intelligence agencies for this reason
Speaker 7: alone to implement this New Age philosophy, and I think
Speaker 7: in order for us to embrace this inverted moral landscape,
Speaker 7: and these these upside down inverted moral principles that clearly
Speaker 7: are you know, the antithesis to what you should attempt
Speaker 7: to just practice in your daily life as far as
Speaker 7: your uh, you know, your most core values that you
Speaker 7: uphold right as an individual person that make you a
Speaker 7: worthwhile and a net positive to society at large. Which
Speaker 7: is another hilarious kind of like misconception in terms of
Speaker 7: the poison pill that is collectivism, which I consistently, you know,
Speaker 7: I kind of preach on that just just thing.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing. I mean, what you're saying, sir,
Speaker 5: I think is the same thing. With my main interject.
Speaker 4: I think it's the same thing, because what it boils
Speaker 4: down to is all these commedy bastards, right all, you know,
Speaker 4: the process sort of out Marxist. I don't see any
Speaker 4: divers two ideologies. Folks can battle some antics all they want.
Speaker 4: It all ends of nihilism, and it is all very
Speaker 4: anti American, anti liberty garbage. Exactly what you're saying, this
Speaker 4: is spook operations to introduce the New Age.
Speaker 5: That's really what it is. Introduced. Fuck COMMI shit, yes,
Speaker 5: their good.
Speaker 8: I thought that the Woaquin Phoenix character and the master.
Speaker 8: He was supposed to be like a Parsons type guy
Speaker 8: because it's like the pre pool to the showdown, because
Speaker 8: he's the guy mixing all the chemicals. You are right
Speaker 8: about that, Yeah, and then they start this feud and
Speaker 8: the movie ends before we get to like the big show.
Speaker 5: I forgot he was.
Speaker 7: He was just making these these.
Speaker 4: Toxic an interesting point. You bring up an interesting point.
Speaker 4: For sure, we might have to do a future one
Speaker 4: on that's or.
Speaker 5: I do enjoy it.
Speaker 8: I love to that. I've only seen that movie twice.
Speaker 8: It's it's painful for me to watch because of the way.
Speaker 5: It's not good at least one of my least favorite
Speaker 5: Paul times.
Speaker 8: I love the movie, but it's just, yeah, you're watching
Speaker 8: it through characters. IY is just much like with one
Speaker 8: of the one Recovering Today.
Speaker 4: Supposed to stop slightly above Punch Drunk Love for me,
Speaker 4: slightly above Punch Runk Club.
Speaker 7: I love Punch Dunk Love, though, man, I do love
Speaker 7: that one.
Speaker 8: That's Adam.
Speaker 4: I mean, I like all Paul Thomas Anderson films. I
Speaker 4: just that's you know, it's not it's not high on
Speaker 4: my list there, you know, I get it.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I was just gonna say to you in
Speaker 9: this that the very beginning of the movie, like after
Speaker 9: he meets with his ex girlfriend, the next scene after
Speaker 9: that is when we see the narrator chick, and I
Speaker 9: swear it's like trying to set it up that he.
Speaker 3: Has like split personality or he's dissociated in some way.
Speaker 4: I think that's part of the reason why you all
Speaker 4: mentioned before you all were spot on your analysis of
Speaker 4: how folks initially took this film is because of that reason,
Speaker 4: I think. But I also think it's done intentionally to
Speaker 4: paint this this kind of mystical nature of the entire film.
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, because you remember she says you need to
Speaker 9: do something about your hair. If you change your hair,
Speaker 9: you change your life. And then the next scene he's
Speaker 9: got those little perms.
Speaker 7: Perm yeah right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's like he's totally disassociated.
Speaker 9: Now he's got a perm and now he's got you
Speaker 9: know what, he's sitting there watching TV.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you mentioned this because I got a
Speaker 4: clipped out up here to introduce us to this narrator
Speaker 4: and the exact mystical nature you're describing, because it does
Speaker 4: immediately hit you with is this lady real or because
Speaker 4: you see her later and she is real, you presume
Speaker 4: she is right, not Israel, but is an actual person.
Speaker 7: Did you see they have marshmallows on that pizza, by
Speaker 7: the way, in the scene when with the narrator, when
Speaker 7: they're where, when they're just eating in the restaurant. I
Speaker 7: thought it was my wife pointed, Oh, I thought that
Speaker 7: was mozzarella. I hope it was, because I was like
Speaker 7: that fucking marshmallows, dude, I was disturbed.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, well let's yeah, let's watch this brief introduction
Speaker 4: here to the film, and we see the mystical nature.
Speaker 4: It kicks us off.
Speaker 12: On she came along the alley and up the backstairs
Speaker 12: the way she always used to. Doc hadn't seen her
Speaker 12: in over a year.
Speaker 2: Nobody had.
Speaker 3: Back then.
Speaker 12: It was always sandals, bottom half of a flower print
Speaker 12: bikini and a faded country Joe in the fish t shirt.
Speaker 12: Tonight she was all in flat, lank gear, hair, a
Speaker 12: lot shorter than he remembered, looking just like she swore
Speaker 12: she would never look.
Speaker 5: So that is a good I mean, it's a really
Speaker 5: to me. It's a gripping way to start the film.
Speaker 4: And again it paints the mystical nature once you starts
Speaker 4: seeing this lady's not so much in his head. Possibly
Speaker 4: possibly not. We also get introduced to Shasta fe Hepworth,
Speaker 4: which is an interesting character name, right, but she's a
Speaker 4: blue blood kind of character right now, of like an
Speaker 4: Abigail Folger type of type of situation. And she's the
Speaker 4: one who gets dock and broiled into all this stuff. Yah,
Speaker 4: Queen Phoenix is along with big foot Biorns, and they're
Speaker 4: clearly you'll realize towards the end of the film, in
Speaker 4: probably your tenth or twelfth watching, that these two have
Speaker 4: been working together the entire time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: Definitely, yeah, I think it's it's nuts whenever I mean,
Speaker 7: as soon as you you see him go to the
Speaker 7: real estate development location where the only thing that is
Speaker 7: that is on the property is this trailer that's clearly
Speaker 7: a prostitution operation where who's running security? When Doc shows up,
Speaker 7: all these motorcycles leave, right, and that it's obviously the
Speaker 7: Arian Brotherhood, or or it's supposed to at least I
Speaker 7: think represent you know this.
Speaker 4: This probably hells Angels, right, I means angels, because the
Speaker 4: dude's got a big swatzika right.
Speaker 7: Exactly, Neil Nancie, a biker gang of some kind. And
Speaker 7: even if you remember when uh, when Doc goes to
Speaker 7: the Pad, right, the the Spook Pad and Penga Canyon,
Speaker 7: which is just felt like, this is Laurel Canyon, right,
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, this is what they're trying to
Speaker 7: represent at the very least, well.
Speaker 4: For sure, because they're going to if I'm they're going
Speaker 4: to see a band, they're going to they're going to infiltrate.
Speaker 4: We don't get too far ahead here. Owen Wilson's character
Speaker 4: comes into play here, and that's where they're going to
Speaker 4: visit him. But let's let's just put a pin on
Speaker 4: that rope, because that is Laurel Canyon. I think Alan
Speaker 4: Wilson plays a very much Laurel Canyon musician. He's a
Speaker 4: he's a former surf sax player from this the Panga
Speaker 4: Canyon band that.
Speaker 8: He probably heads the Wrecking Crew.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go, Skirt, there you go. And when
Speaker 4: then he fakes his death and suddenly he's he's working
Speaker 4: for the l A.
Speaker 5: P D.
Speaker 4: He's working for the COLT, he's working for the FBI,
Speaker 4: for Coen Telpro, He's working.
Speaker 5: For the rally.
Speaker 7: Dude, it's so funny.
Speaker 4: And he's got different identities with these group though, right,
Speaker 4: because the and the Nixon rally when he gets pulled
Speaker 4: out on TV making a big spectacle and a very
Speaker 4: co intel pro you know, agent provocateur fashion the district
Speaker 4: Attorney from Los Angeles that Jaqueline Phoenix has banging Reese
Speaker 4: Witherspoon's character of the Assistant DA. She knows him as Chucky,
Speaker 4: which is a different identity than his real identity or
Speaker 4: the one he's going by and his.
Speaker 5: Other spook operation. So he's got at least three identities.
Speaker 8: I think she's one of his handlers too, the attorney.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, sure, that makes all the sense I mean.
Speaker 7: And and then she she sort of like lures him back.
Speaker 7: He walked me back to work type of thing. And
Speaker 7: then he's sitting there with Cohen Tel agents gets on purpose.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, it is that that to me. And then
Speaker 7: by the way, meeting with at at his dent dental
Speaker 7: practice or wherever doc's hanging out, right, and he's he's
Speaker 7: just uh huffing that laughing gas, right, and it's that's
Speaker 7: so hilarious.
Speaker 4: But it's a free medical clinic, right, It's just like
Speaker 4: the free medical clinic that Abigail Folger's mother was financing
Speaker 4: there in the Hate and Ashbury with with the with
Speaker 4: the whole spook operation there with him kilt stuff exactly.
Speaker 5: But was it the it was the Black Gorilla.
Speaker 7: Isn't that the name of the the Yeah, the group
Speaker 7: that Omar from the wire?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 7: Wasn't he the actor that played that role?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Man, he he was?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 7: And And also what Chalky White and Boardwalk Empire, which
Speaker 7: is another one I really love? Actually is that that
Speaker 7: is an amazing series, truly, I believe. But anyway too
Speaker 7: definitely he heroin overdose, right, isn't that what happened?
Speaker 3: I didn't, Oh, you know, outside of a heroin overdose?
Speaker 5: How about Phillips more often.
Speaker 8: Exactly allegedly?
Speaker 4: You know when I again, this happened right after you know,
Speaker 4: not right after the Master, but soon enough. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of weird stuff going on with that death. But
Speaker 4: when you see twenty, like twenty or thirty little baggies
Speaker 4: of heroin and some dude relapsed and they're all just
Speaker 4: spread across his body, like that's somebody who doesn't understand
Speaker 4: heroin who stages that scene like, that's not.
Speaker 8: Somebody who understand their way out, which.
Speaker 7: I just realized there's a weird scientology connection between not
Speaker 7: only Philip Seymour Hoffman playing l Ron Hubbard in The Master,
Speaker 7: but he was in Magnolia with Tom Cruise, right exactly.
Speaker 7: I just realized that he played that character with Tom
Speaker 7: and he's telling the story along with Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 7: in the four the four situation, right, interest, that is interesting.
Speaker 5: What's someone with Mark Wahlberg playing John Holmes.
Speaker 8: Oh, that's well, that's Boogie Knights. That's yeah, that was
Speaker 8: the second movie and it's the one.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like, that's the whole scene around
Speaker 4: the forum that they don't say the four and the
Speaker 4: four murders, but they're described.
Speaker 8: He's supposed to be. I mean, they call him Dirk Diggler,
Speaker 8: but he's supposed to be John Holmes.
Speaker 5: Are you serious? Look Nights too?
Speaker 8: He loves that.
Speaker 5: E oh yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When we start looking to say, before we go any
Speaker 4: further in the film, let's uh, let's just take a
Speaker 4: quick moment here before we I wanted to discuss you know,
Speaker 4: Paul Thomas Anderson and Thomas Penshones pass before we go
Speaker 4: any further with that. But let's take a quick on that,
Speaker 4: and then let's take a quick intermission right here.
Speaker 8: So, so, how how are all of those little wave ripples?
Speaker 8: How are those so perfectly matching what's in the video?
Speaker 5: All the dons, all the special patterns look the same.
Speaker 8: This is like saying that my butthole is your butthole
Speaker 8: because they're similar, right, It's not be we don't have
Speaker 8: the same butthole.
Speaker 5: Because of that, you're using butthole a lot of context.
Speaker 11: You're talking about botholes making everyone feel weird.
Speaker 5: That's the point, all right. That one's for Julia. She
Speaker 5: loves her butthole.
Speaker 8: So there, I yelled at from the kitchen. That's for you.
Speaker 4: So Thomas Panchone, he's the one who writes all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So in order to get all these mans and things involved,
Speaker 4: I mean again, we were describing some scientology connections with
Speaker 4: Paul Thomas Anderson, which I think again is very apt
Speaker 4: to where his knowledge and activities involvement come from and
Speaker 4: why he's doing these things perhaps making these films. We
Speaker 4: see because the process is the dark wing of scientology.
Speaker 4: They can't claim they're an offshoot, but they there's a
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of argument to be made that
Speaker 4: that's not quite the situation.
Speaker 7: I've heard it described as the strong arm of scientology
Speaker 7: by certain people as well, And I don't know, do
Speaker 7: you think that there's any accuracy to that statement.
Speaker 5: It seems like I do. I do.
Speaker 4: Look at mister processed out org himself, Sir Lucy and
Speaker 4: grieves the Satanic temple, right doug. He he attacks victims
Speaker 4: of Satanic ritual abuse through this false memory syndrome stuff.
Speaker 4: He's directly linked with the spychiatrist of the false memory syndrome.
Speaker 5: His process.
Speaker 4: That website is dedicated to attacking Satanic ritual abuse victimes
Speaker 4: through Satanic panic and false memory stuff. So we kind
Speaker 4: of see that. And it's got an eater at his headquarters,
Speaker 4: so we see him. He wants, he says, he wants
Speaker 4: to perfect the use of it. So I mean again,
Speaker 4: if you take the actions, not their words, you can
Speaker 4: start seeing what's actually going on there, right.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, And that's that's interesting for sure. I definitely
Speaker 7: think that there's so much value in just the the
Speaker 7: pop culture introduction of a concept, you know, utilizing the
Speaker 7: sort of this this paradigm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: And that is why I think inherent Vice is so
Speaker 7: special because it kind of appeals to one me directly,
Speaker 7: but people who I think kind of just like they
Speaker 7: they in order to in order to at the very
Speaker 7: least interpret the current power paradigm that play It's like
Speaker 7: you have to understand the playbook they utilize, right, And
Speaker 7: as far as these domestic operations and how they're facilitated,
Speaker 7: the distribution networks involved, the geographical hubs for you know,
Speaker 7: the the strong intelligence footprint that is clearly the hidden
Speaker 7: hand directing things, which is another aspect of how this
Speaker 7: perfectly represents the nature that is this this very much
Speaker 7: criminal enterprise. But but it it's it's really an international
Speaker 7: that's what it feels like to me. And they all
Speaker 7: conduct themselves in a very similar way and facilitate cover
Speaker 7: ups at every level as well. But there's no difference
Speaker 7: to me. When you see Michael Aquino, which you mentioned
Speaker 7: earlier and clearly plays into so much of this, uh
Speaker 7: and you see him traveling to on his diplomatic missions,
Speaker 7: right uh, to to these Nazi castles and performing Satanic rituals,
Speaker 7: right and and uh. And they're connected to the Pink
Speaker 7: ballets and Belgium and the market detail network and uh.
Speaker 7: And he's not only affiliated with Franklin, but the Finders
Speaker 7: and the confessions of DC Madam right and and and
Speaker 7: Craig Spence and his operation as well. And so for me,
Speaker 7: this provides us this it's just another window into By
Speaker 7: the way, it's another reason why I'm consistently pointing out
Speaker 7: the fact that they never in like, they never stop
Speaker 7: the objectives of the criminal enterprise at like the drug
Speaker 7: trafficking level. Obviously that's not going to be where it ends.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 7: They will continue this sinister pursuit into the darkest clandestine
Speaker 7: corners of intelligence that will effectively involve, you know, the
Speaker 7: abduction of children on the street, using you know, police
Speaker 7: protection and local officials helping cover up the criminal cases
Speaker 7: so that the overall network isn't exposed.
Speaker 4: And and this right here, what you're describing is the
Speaker 4: reason is kind of the the from what I see
Speaker 4: the motivations of Josh Brolin's character in the film The
Speaker 4: LAPD Homicide Detective of what is motivating him.
Speaker 5: To actually put all of these wheels.
Speaker 4: Into motion here in the film pushing, you know, pulling
Speaker 4: the strings there on ya. Queen Photix's character working with
Speaker 4: his ex girlfriend Shasta fa Hepworth, who's dating that real
Speaker 4: estate developer, this big real estate developers. He's kind of
Speaker 4: got a couple of characters, I think amalgamation they're in,
Speaker 4: but they do kind of time into this Howard Hughes
Speaker 4: character when they got the Mormon Mafia FBI guys around
Speaker 4: him and whatnot.
Speaker 7: Right by the way, the co Intel pro agents who
Speaker 7: meet with Doc, they offer the the uh a copy
Speaker 7: of the Book of Mormon. I was like, what are
Speaker 7: you doing?
Speaker 4: And what you're saying is he's ongoing enterprises. We see
Speaker 4: these in the film and this is what motivates Brolin,
Speaker 4: the LAPD homicide detective enough and enough because they've this
Speaker 4: network had murdered his partner and nothing came of it,
Speaker 4: and he just seen enough of it. You know, he's
Speaker 4: really lost his mind. We know he lost his mind.
Speaker 4: Throughout the film, they kind of just again back to
Speaker 4: this nature of what his reality and what's the stripping nature.
Speaker 4: We see Brolin losing his ship throughout the entire film.
Speaker 4: We see, oh, exactly right, He's just he's fucking out
Speaker 4: there right.
Speaker 8: Can I just say, dude, I love Josh Brolin, but
Speaker 8: I think this is.
Speaker 5: My favorite unit I love.
Speaker 7: I said that to my wife earlier, like last night,
Speaker 7: we were trying to watch through at least the first half,
Speaker 7: and I said, I paused it. I said, this is
Speaker 7: my favorite role for Woking Phoenix, Josh Brolin, Benicio del Toro,
Speaker 7: and honestly even Martin Short. It's probably my favorite character
Speaker 7: for him as well, just because it's so perfect what
Speaker 7: he represents in that scene.
Speaker 8: Where he's eating the banana in the car scenes in
Speaker 8: the movie Popsicle, just watching him like, yeah, he's.
Speaker 4: So described, Oh dude, and the scene is getting them
Speaker 4: pancakes and they're they're clearly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, wait, he's trying.
Speaker 4: He's trying to mess with Walking Phoenix, and Walking Phoenix
Speaker 4: is messing back with him when they both now at
Speaker 4: that point realize they're both sucking with each other.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 7: I I I read, dude, I read, I read a medium.
Speaker 4: He tried to tell him that Martin Short's character was
Speaker 4: found with with a broken neck and two fangs. Two
Speaker 4: fang uh, you know, speaking of Michael Aquino, and some
Speaker 4: psychological operations make it look like vampires killed someone, you know,
Speaker 4: this drug trafficking machine with the dentists, with Hollywood, with
Speaker 4: the mafia, with you know, with the major Hollywood figures,
Speaker 4: which we can get into who that guy is, who
Speaker 4: you know, Burke's Dodger that is. So I got a
Speaker 4: lot of ideas that that's Marlon Brando represented there, but
Speaker 4: we see that with well exactly there you go, sir,
Speaker 4: and and Marlon Brando got an island in French Polynesia,
Speaker 4: the same place where they're taking this Golden fang, right,
Speaker 4: the the the.
Speaker 7: Huge islands, right, yeah, man, right, Yeah, I thought it
Speaker 7: was very interesting. And and uh and also Benisso mentioned
Speaker 7: the white Anglo owners and Howard Hughes when he bought
Speaker 7: the desert in right, basically being the representative for the
Speaker 7: intelligence agencies on the strip instead of the essentially the
Speaker 7: FEDS needed, uh, someone who wasn't Italian, right, as he said,
Speaker 7: I think is the way that he put it on
Speaker 7: the st rip. And and then to to put it
Speaker 7: in that perspective though, with the Howard Hughes reference was
Speaker 7: so incredible for me just because knowing the level of
Speaker 7: involvement that that Howard Hughes really kind of fulfilled. As
Speaker 7: far as the the the private sector, you know, plausible
Speaker 7: deniability cut out for the intelligence apparatus to clearly you know,
Speaker 7: pursue these domestic uh uh clandestine operations and and and
Speaker 7: and it was Nixon as VP who was tasked with
Speaker 7: he gave he gave Howard Hughes a call. He said, Hey, man,
Speaker 7: we need you to set up these domestic black sites
Speaker 7: all throughout the US to train up these Cuban exiles
Speaker 7: right in order to and and so we can green
Speaker 7: light these various false flag operations all throughout the day.
Speaker 4: Dude, Howard Hughes in deep, That's what I'm saying when
Speaker 4: they'd give the nod him. As far as the real
Speaker 4: estate goes with this Mickey Wolfenstein character who disappears, and
Speaker 4: that's why we saw Shastafe Hepworth coming into the Yaquin
Speaker 4: Phoenix's apartment his ex girlfriend because that was her boyfriend.
Speaker 4: He's disappeared and she wants his help. But it's really
Speaker 4: we later learned there's more a little bit more behind that,
Speaker 4: but yeah, Mickey Wolffenstein, so yeah, he's they give the
Speaker 4: Howard Hughes nod. There is an LA based developer who
Speaker 4: a Jewish fellow who did his son went to Vegas before,
Speaker 4: like folks like Shell Shell Nattelson and Steve Whinn.
Speaker 5: And folks like that of these Jewish characters there.
Speaker 4: But it is interesting to see that this real estate
Speaker 4: developer is so intrenched in the deep state and they
Speaker 4: give the nod to Hughes, which kind of makes me
Speaker 4: think that there's an amalgamation of Hughes into that character,
Speaker 4: because Hughes is about as deep state as it gets.
Speaker 4: So y' all familiar with the term the Glomar response, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: and reformation requests, you get the response, we cannot confirm
Speaker 4: nor deny this exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we can.
Speaker 4: They called the Glomar from the operation USS Glomar operation,
Speaker 4: which is a Howard Hughes shipped with a giant They
Speaker 4: had a huge, huge vessel and they were trying to
Speaker 4: dig something up from the bottoms.
Speaker 5: They had a big climate.
Speaker 7: She was a warhead, right, like a massive nuclear warhead
Speaker 7: that they were tempting to retrieve that had fallen into
Speaker 7: the bottom of the ocean because of what a submarine
Speaker 7: u UH had sunk or something to that effect. And
Speaker 7: and that's.
Speaker 4: What the plane that's their's the plane but they can't
Speaker 4: confirm nor deny it. And it's really that that was
Speaker 4: was a Howard Hughes ship and Bill Colby, not not Colby,
Speaker 4: not Bill Colby here, but Bill Colby was in charge
Speaker 4: of that operation there. So you know, that's how deep
Speaker 4: state Hughes is. But we do see that the story
Speaker 4: revolves around that. But this ongoing enterprise of all this activity,
Speaker 4: this whod rat shit activity, is what motivates Josh Brolin's
Speaker 4: character in Shassafe Hepworth And they're they're looking for this
Speaker 4: missing real estate developer, you know, and what they're really
Speaker 4: that's what they tell ya, Queen Phoenix, right, But what
Speaker 4: they're really doing is trying to attack this cult from
Speaker 4: the inside.
Speaker 6: Kid.
Speaker 7: You know, I read a theory on that I don't
Speaker 7: I have to mention before I forget. I thought it
Speaker 7: was I thought it was a little bit ridiculous, too
Speaker 7: far fetched, but again it was. It was published in
Speaker 7: like medium or something, and it was this essentially saying
Speaker 7: that that basically Bigfoot Bjornsen had had potentially he was
Speaker 7: even a sort of construct in the mind of Doc
Speaker 7: the for the for the audience, and that effectively his
Speaker 7: character had essentially kind of like spun out of control
Speaker 7: in various ways because of the uh, sort of extraordinary
Speaker 7: effect of what had happened to him throughout the covert
Speaker 7: operations that killed his partner. And I thought it was hilarious,
Speaker 7: but it was it was the fact that Joaquin Phoenix
Speaker 7: could have even been a sort of created construct within
Speaker 7: the mind of of a of a layered character in
Speaker 7: the plot itself, which again it's like you're questioning agraph
Speaker 7: Well yeah, yeah, definitely, I thought it was a little ridiculous,
Speaker 7: but I still I found it interesting because again, we're
Speaker 7: always in that mode of questioning what is real. If
Speaker 7: you remember when he's meeting with the heroin addict that
Speaker 7: that obviously is the wife of Koy or the at
Speaker 7: least the mother of his child. That's uh, right, was
Speaker 7: passing the heroine through her breast milk, and when he
Speaker 7: sees the picture of the child, he like screams out.
Speaker 7: But that obviously didn't happen, right, because she didn't have
Speaker 7: any real obvious just right, Yeah, she didn't even react.
Speaker 7: And so that to me was another example of like,
Speaker 7: that didn't happen, that was an internal reaction, and we
Speaker 7: got to witness it, and and because it wouldn't be
Speaker 7: nastral at whatsoever. There would have been a reaction obviously.
Speaker 7: So it's another layer to questioning what is real and
Speaker 7: what is not and and.
Speaker 4: And they keep fitness with that too, right, because there's
Speaker 4: that one scene where the narrator we saw when she's
Speaker 4: playing your real because in the book there are two
Speaker 4: different characters, the narrator in that woman. So but out
Speaker 4: of the tribute nature of the book, Paul Thomas Anderson
Speaker 4: has mashed him together here. So you do see a
Speaker 4: scene where she's in the car, you think, oh, that
Speaker 4: she's actually in the car, but she's not. You find
Speaker 4: out she's not, so you kind of you keep getting
Speaker 4: those elements, like.
Speaker 9: I'm telling that's how I took it too, especially like
Speaker 9: that weird trippy the way that she talks throughout the
Speaker 9: entire movie. But does it ever explain in the book
Speaker 9: or like why his nickname is doc because he's a
Speaker 9: doctor he's not.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it does. But that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: While he's working at a free medical clinic.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, dude, I definitely think that he is. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 8: this person whoever came up with the theory that Austin
Speaker 8: was just talking about took it a step further. But
Speaker 8: there's a reason he's so disjointed, and there's a reason
Speaker 8: he is so willing to go along with all of
Speaker 8: his handlers. He's got three that I can think of,
Speaker 8: and he never like stops to think, why am I
Speaker 8: in the middle of everything going on?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 7: You remember when he goes to the Wolfman residence and
Speaker 7: the whole entire LAPD is just at a pool party.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting what they say there too, right, because
Speaker 4: he says they're a party because.
Speaker 5: They know the Feds are coming in to shut her
Speaker 5: from down.
Speaker 7: That's exactly which to me is a sign that won
Speaker 7: all of the local officials know exactly the playbook that's
Speaker 7: being uh you know, sort of uh implemented and presided
Speaker 7: over at the moment. And and two, I feel like
Speaker 7: there's a reason why, you know why you know, Jade
Speaker 7: obviously the prostitute. Who's who's who's at what's the name of?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right, right, exactly, perfect timing, sir. I got a clip
Speaker 4: here of Jade.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 7: That scene right there I think is incredible. The fog
Speaker 7: itself sets the tone right, It's just perfect.
Speaker 4: No, absolutely so he meets her, he goes to that
Speaker 4: real estate development looking for Mickey Wolfman and gang and whatnot.
Speaker 4: He finds the biker gang, gets knocked out, and suddenly
Speaker 4: he's the suspect by old That's what I'm saying. Say,
Speaker 4: we start seeing the maschinations of Bigfoot be o Ornson
Speaker 4: right there because he you know obviously when you're when
Speaker 4: you see Jack Quinn Phoenix going into the whorehouse there
Speaker 4: the new real estate development that Bigfoot be Ornson does
Speaker 4: the commercials for right on TV right, which is kind
Speaker 4: of another scene where you're like, is this real?
Speaker 5: Is it not real?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: He starts talking to him through the TV all.
Speaker 4: Right, but yeah, Jornson later talking about how his TV
Speaker 4: roles and commercials have dried up. So there is again
Speaker 4: that trippy nature of the matter. So he gets knocked out.
Speaker 4: He's going there to look look for actually he's going
Speaker 4: there to look for Puck Beaverton. Is he not because
Speaker 4: on to two reasons. The reason because Puck Beaverton.
Speaker 5: Is the uh, the.
Speaker 4: Associate of that black Rilla family guy comes to find
Speaker 4: him and at the free clinic Toreak Khalil and where
Speaker 4: he's like he's right right, he's writing down because he's
Speaker 4: already been told about Buck. Puck Beaverton is like not
Speaker 4: hallucinating because he's multiple people are talking about Puck Beaverton, right.
Speaker 4: The guy with the tattoo of the swatsika right.
Speaker 7: There, Beware of the Golden thing man.
Speaker 4: So she she uh, she links up with him again
Speaker 4: and they become friends.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 4: The the hooker here, Jade, and she's kind of mystical
Speaker 4: guide if you will, right, you have the narrator, but
Speaker 4: she's always popping up right, She's kind of like definite
Speaker 4: the person kind of gotting him through that his mystic
Speaker 4: and I like, I like what you're saying.
Speaker 5: In the Fall. It's very it adds to the mystical
Speaker 5: layer of things.
Speaker 4: But we also meet Owen Wilson here too in his
Speaker 4: character and the Golden Fang, because the Golden Fang also
Speaker 4: exists in this kind of liminal space of is it
Speaker 4: a ship, is it a team of dentists, is it
Speaker 4: a you know, international drug trafficking operation, or is it
Speaker 4: all all.
Speaker 8: Those child trafficking Maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we can't. Wouldn't you can do one without
Speaker 4: the others? Here, they're going to do both.
Speaker 8: I think right, right, I mean, especially the area that
Speaker 8: they were sailing from.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I mean it was
Speaker 7: Jade herself that claimed that, uh, the Golden Fang was
Speaker 7: a drug trafficking operation, right that she that she told
Speaker 7: essentially told Doc like right away when she apologizes to him,
Speaker 7: what wasn't the.
Speaker 4: Right because dude, he can't wrap his brain hole around
Speaker 4: what the Golden Fang is, right. Because again, and that's
Speaker 4: why I love that. I'll play it in a minute
Speaker 4: with that clip scene, the scene and the pancake. Uh, well,
Speaker 4: do you remember at the end where they're you know,
Speaker 4: they're they're messing with each other bed and again it
Speaker 4: speaks to them baby being the same person, and that
Speaker 4: where they're both messing with each.
Speaker 8: Other, the scene where they do the handoff and they
Speaker 8: swap Onen Wilson out, there's two fucking obviously under eighteen
Speaker 8: year old girls that like facilitate the whole thing. So
Speaker 8: that's what that in my mind about childhood.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't doubt it, sir, I don't
Speaker 5: that's a good.
Speaker 13: I know.
Speaker 7: Uh honestly, I'm gonna have to because I didn't finish
Speaker 7: it again like I wanted to get to the end
Speaker 7: of it. But but I didn't quite finish it all
Speaker 7: the way and I don't remember that part where where
Speaker 7: the girls were oh shit.
Speaker 8: Also the girl that was in the dentist off.
Speaker 5: In my back, in my back.
Speaker 7: I feel like I feel like I potentially uh cut
Speaker 7: out too, but I'm not quite certain.
Speaker 4: So when we get back from this clip, I want
Speaker 4: to know before we get in front of the plot,
Speaker 4: how you're all what you're all. Thoughts are on how
Speaker 4: Thomas Pinshin even knew these narratives and storylines. Grant, he
Speaker 4: didn't write the book until two thousand and nine, but
Speaker 4: he was living in Los Angeles of this era, so
Speaker 4: I have to assume that he came across some.
Speaker 5: Of these folks or situations.
Speaker 7: I have to think, but.
Speaker 4: This is going to tell us about Jade, the Golden
Speaker 4: Fang and Owen Wilson's character.
Speaker 12: I can't stay out here long. This is Golden Fang territory,
Speaker 12: and a Carl don't necessarily want to get into difficulties
Speaker 12: with those folks.
Speaker 14: Need this Golden Fang, the Golden Fang, golden thing.
Speaker 2: He's not just a boat dock. She's much more than that.
Speaker 12: A boat an Indo Chinese heroin cartel a vertical package.
Speaker 12: They grow it, bring it in, step on it, frins
Speaker 12: stateside networks of local street dealers and take a separate
Speaker 12: percentage off of beach operation.
Speaker 2: What I need to know is who are these friends
Speaker 2: that lands for me?
Speaker 4: So that's a pretty good description of it, right as
Speaker 4: far as you know, is the octopus nature of it, right,
Speaker 4: because then you know they go on to this right,
Speaker 4: this is what I like to use as an example
Speaker 4: of the whole hog effect of these this whole kind
Speaker 4: of cult network is they're going to They're going to
Speaker 4: profit monetarily speaking off of each step in the process,
Speaker 4: literally the process, because they get them hooked on the
Speaker 4: heroin which sucks the calcium out of their teeth, and
Speaker 4: they get them new teeth, they send them a drug
Speaker 4: rehab and rinse, wash and repeat, right exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that is legitimately what was happening at
Speaker 7: Hayte Ashbury, you know. I mean, it couldn't be more
Speaker 7: accurate in terms of how that operation was ran. And
Speaker 7: and these strange mk ultra operative scientists that are just
Speaker 7: hanging out taking notes watching what happens, you know, kind
Speaker 7: of like uh, just presiding over the experiment in a
Speaker 7: certain way. But yeah, I think that the that scene
Speaker 7: where where they go to this this dentist office, I
Speaker 7: thought was incredible. But I also thought the scene with
Speaker 7: Owen Wilson him trying to kind of like explain his
Speaker 7: motivation and justify why he was like recruited essentially by
Speaker 7: this vigilant citizen I think is what it was called,
Speaker 7: the Vigilant California. That was the name of it, right,
Speaker 7: the group that he allegedly was working for for during
Speaker 7: this co intel pro layered operation that he was living
Speaker 7: as far as like he claimed, what did he say?
Speaker 7: He said, we were dragging each other down and just
Speaker 7: explaining his sort of heroin addiction lifestyle and and how
Speaker 7: much it obviously wasn't working, and the reason that he
Speaker 7: sort of was justifying leaving and taking this job, which
Speaker 7: to me, usually I would imagine in the real world
Speaker 7: it would take like a criminal conviction of some kind
Speaker 7: of like just an offense at the very least, right,
Speaker 7: you get arrested, you're facing charges that are extraordinary and.
Speaker 4: Then compromising position. But he describes it almost more voluntarily.
Speaker 4: He's doing it for the calls, right, That's what we said,
Speaker 4: there's the one who signs him up for this program.
Speaker 5: So back to these kind of blue blood families.
Speaker 7: Right exactly. It's so crazy because when when he says that,
Speaker 7: I thought it was interesting because he definitely claims that
Speaker 7: like it's moral right, he attempts to justify it in
Speaker 7: ethical terms. I found very interesting because he claims that
Speaker 7: the group Vigilant in California, they have money, right, They're
Speaker 7: not like the Bible of thumping freaks on the beach
Speaker 7: who are who are screaming at you or something is
Speaker 7: the way he puts it, right, And then he explains
Speaker 7: how basically he thought it was something that good to
Speaker 7: do for his country.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 7: But then he says as stupid as that sounds, like
Speaker 7: he legitimately like as dumb as that sounds or something
Speaker 7: like that. I think he actually addressed it in the
Speaker 7: next sentence. But then he goes as far as to
Speaker 7: actually question. I thought this was was very interesting because
Speaker 7: he says that what he really found out was that
Speaker 7: they just want to use them and and essentially keep
Speaker 7: the membership in line.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: He says, be right, you know, he says, keep keep
Speaker 4: the herd in check, right, Yes, dude, which so it is.
Speaker 5: It is social.
Speaker 4: Engineering through chaotic events which we see him perpetrating as
Speaker 4: a faked his death Laurel and In saxophone player from
Speaker 4: a surf surf sax band or from a surf band,
Speaker 4: which you know again has striking similarities to the Manson family,
Speaker 4: because that's Bobby Bosley came from the Arthur Lee in
Speaker 4: Love band which was could be classified in that category
Speaker 4: genre of music in Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 5: He was a guitar player.
Speaker 7: But what's that is that the dude that wound up
Speaker 7: dead off the off the the boat like he drowned
Speaker 7: and it was very suspect.
Speaker 5: I think you might be referring to Dennis Wilson from
Speaker 5: the Beach Bah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bobby in prison for life sentence for the murder
Speaker 4: of Gary Hintman.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Another drug trafficking and related situation that doesn't off to
Speaker 4: get described to that. And again whether or not Bosola
Speaker 4: was Kenny saying, Kenneth Thanker's boyfriend knew Keno Levey. They
Speaker 4: all know each other, all these damn Satanist Nazi fuckers.
Speaker 4: But you know the story is with him, they find
Speaker 4: a knife that was using him as attack in his car.
Speaker 5: He's sleeping on the side of the road, so much
Speaker 5: like all.
Speaker 4: These things again as we've seen in the film, is
Speaker 4: is this reality or is it not reality? Because for
Speaker 4: many folks, Owen Wilson played three different characters. Some of
Speaker 4: those some of those characters that he played in this
Speaker 4: real life you know world that he's LARPing in, you know, died,
Speaker 4: so you know when some of these folks die around
Speaker 4: these scenarios or some of these characters are playing, I
Speaker 4: often wonder are we seeing some of the veil behind
Speaker 4: the curtain with this plot line? And if so, like
Speaker 4: where did Thomas Pynchone get these ideas?
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts that are not Bill Colby?
Speaker 8: I actually don't know, but if about him really in particular,
Speaker 8: but you're saying he grew up in that area.
Speaker 5: And well some Long Island, he's a he's he himself.
Speaker 5: The pen Schones are an early oh yeah, the Pennchones
Speaker 5: are in an early Massachusetts Bay family. So he his
Speaker 5: his paternal line goes back to the you know, to
Speaker 5: the Mayflower if you will.
Speaker 8: He ended up in l a h.
Speaker 4: I think he was in his forties come nineteen seventies,
Speaker 4: an old man that this was one of the.
Speaker 8: Last books he wrote. I think it came out in
Speaker 8: two thousand and nine. I'm not just taking and so
Speaker 8: he definitely it's it's like Stanley Kubrick, you didn't dream
Speaker 8: that shit up. You were that in the main vein somehow.
Speaker 5: Exactly that you're you're in my brain Holzer.
Speaker 4: He got this information from somewhere, whether or not he
Speaker 4: experienced it or in sight somehow.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: But this is the guy who wrote the book, right,
Speaker 9: not the director, the guy who wrote the book.
Speaker 3: Okay, so think about it. He's he lived in the area.
Speaker 8: And he came from Long Island too, and he's.
Speaker 9: Got a thing for He's got a thing for Laurel Canyon, right, obviously,
Speaker 9: you know what I was thinking, is like the only
Speaker 9: other reference of someone who has split personality, dissociative identity
Speaker 9: disorder whatever that was also nicknamed doc it is from
Speaker 9: the Shining.
Speaker 7: Oh right, oh wow.
Speaker 9: And so he's obviously got a thing for like this,
Speaker 9: Jack Nicholson, Laurel Canyon, the golf scene.
Speaker 3: Right, definitely, so.
Speaker 4: He his ma this is having the know this what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. He was at the time. Oh, I'm sorry, jolly.
Speaker 9: Good well, I was just saying the coincidence to me
Speaker 9: to have two separate characters that are Laurel canyon Esque
Speaker 9: playing dissociative identity roles Doc and Doc that's to me.
Speaker 3: It's a dead gay.
Speaker 5: I don't disagree.
Speaker 4: And look how in the know he might have been
Speaker 4: there in the scene, that is at least in June
Speaker 4: of sixty six, pen shown wrote at first hand report
Speaker 4: on the aftermath and legacy of the Watts riots in
Speaker 4: Los Angeles, titled a Journey into the Mind of Watts,
Speaker 4: So you know else is and Wats at the same
Speaker 4: time the Warlocks aka the Grateful Dead, Yeah.
Speaker 8: With Courtney Love's dad and the founder of Tavistock's son
Speaker 8: is their music publishing company president.
Speaker 4: My best friend of Jerry Garcia Won, Eric Trist, his
Speaker 4: father Allan Trist, the man who wrote the paper on
Speaker 4: social social engineering tactics were describing is depicting the film
Speaker 4: you know, to keep the Herd in check. As you
Speaker 4: were pointing out there Austin, these were developed through something
Speaker 4: called social turbulence, a theory of paper written by that
Speaker 4: founder of the Tavisa Allen Trist, who invaded America along
Speaker 4: with the process. He went to u c l A.
Speaker 4: And seems up said the framework before Johlly and West
Speaker 4: arrived a few months later.
Speaker 7: Wow, that's so crazy. Man, especially considered the anti Colt
Speaker 7: network and and the what was it Rabbi Maurice Davis
Speaker 7: and and uh Lewis, Jolly and West and these various
Speaker 7: operatives that are very clearly they're they're they're tasked by
Speaker 7: it seems like, you know, Sidney Gottlieb, the the Black
Speaker 7: Sorcerer of m k Ultra himself. They yeah, and it
Speaker 7: seems like they were sort of tasked with infant trading
Speaker 7: the vast majority of these sort of one criminal cases
Speaker 7: that were surrounding allegations of cult networks sort of utilizing
Speaker 7: these very similar strategic just sort of just agenda items
Speaker 7: that they kind of like. It very much matches exactly
Speaker 7: what we've been describing. But also you consider Rabbi Mouric S. Davis,
Speaker 7: who legitimately gave Jim Jones his first first of all,
Speaker 7: he gave him a synagogue, but it was his first
Speaker 7: sort of property where he implemented the people's temple, you know,
Speaker 7: as far as like the ideology itself and the organization
Speaker 7: that he created and then took to Guyana later on
Speaker 7: after he moved to California. But still it's fascinating to
Speaker 7: me that the individual who financed Jim Jones very first,
Speaker 7: you know, Church for the People's Temple was previously a
Speaker 7: synagogue ran by Rabbi Maurice Davis, who was a part
Speaker 7: of the anti cult net work and a key MK
Speaker 7: ultra operative along with Lewis Johny and West at the time.
Speaker 7: And he was the the individual Palaine around in Kentucky
Speaker 7: with with Jim Jones leading up to his prominent rise,
Speaker 7: which just that to me, there's there's no way you know,
Speaker 7: after you obviously follow that that story to to uh,
Speaker 7: it's it's just sort of like, uh, extraordinarily detailed level
Speaker 7: in terms of the evidence provided and kind of how
Speaker 7: he was groomed into this this level of of becoming
Speaker 7: an asset, you know, for the intelligence apparatus. So I
Speaker 7: don't know, I'm very much interested in how much Doc
Speaker 7: was a created, uh you know, was he legitimately just
Speaker 7: a you know, a fabricated character within the context of
Speaker 7: the mind of an individual character in the actual plot
Speaker 7: line itself that was a kind of a spin off
Speaker 7: from uh, sort of just this, So I think it
Speaker 7: it could be almost a schizophrenic break that occurred due
Speaker 7: to the level of involvement in the enterprise itself, which
Speaker 7: you never know because you consider like the moral implications
Speaker 7: of being involved in something like that and then finding
Speaker 7: out what happened your partner gets murdered, uh, and then
Speaker 7: all of a sudden you realize that you've been facilitating
Speaker 7: a criminal enterprise that's uh, you know, sadistically abusing children
Speaker 7: at a level you couldn't even comprehend.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's already affects him, right because his wife
Speaker 4: already he's like, she's like, we got a doc, we
Speaker 4: got a psychiatrists build.
Speaker 8: That doc is a an imaginary character for for bidding.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying there is a theory like Austin was describing,
Speaker 4: like it's a it's a fight club type theory where
Speaker 4: both Tyler Dirton and you know Ed Norton's character the
Speaker 4: same person. So you know, schizophrenic break. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 4: of the same in the.
Speaker 8: End where he walks in and he like eats all
Speaker 8: the weed off the train. Yeah, that's fucking weird exactly.
Speaker 7: And you remember the scene too when after the pool
Speaker 7: party right at at mike he Wolfman's place.
Speaker 8: He runs out and like he runs just runs exactly
Speaker 8: and then by the way, the symbolic nature of kicking
Speaker 8: him while he's down.
Speaker 7: Literally, Yeah, that's not interesting. You never know, right, like
Speaker 7: that that does make sense, does well?
Speaker 4: You also see him on that scene at the end
Speaker 4: there they stand up at the time they're talking and
Speaker 4: talking they say the same words, right, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm gonna have to watch this again, I know, dude,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to finish for the seventh. Well, yeah,
Speaker 8: because you could pick up if you watch that, you
Speaker 8: can just pick up clues, which, by.
Speaker 5: The way, I mean it's an interesting for sure, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, she's never seen Fight Club till like a month ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting all kinds of again.
Speaker 7: I heard you guys talking about covering like d M.
Speaker 7: K Ultra aspect of things as well, like in a
Speaker 7: in a recent project or something you're you're working on now,
Speaker 7: and I wondered if you guys had waked just in
Speaker 7: terms of like again, the sort of pop cultural reference
Speaker 7: and introducing a conceptual notion that is far more valuable
Speaker 7: than I think the general public is aware of. And
Speaker 7: that being like, and again, I've I've mentioned this a
Speaker 7: couple of times in like the past two weeks because
Speaker 7: I made the well, probably the past week and a half,
Speaker 7: because I made the mistake of watching this film called
Speaker 7: Blink twice. Right, And I'm not sure if you guys
Speaker 7: have seen it yet.
Speaker 8: We watched that recently, Okay, I'm like, you watch it.
Speaker 8: I don't remember where.
Speaker 7: It's so crazy, man, I think it's on Amazon. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I believe that it's free on Amazon.
Speaker 3: Actually, but somebody had recommended it to us, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was Lola, Lola, the one we did the episode
Speaker 3: withj I was actually gonna say to Austin because it
Speaker 3: sounds like just based on several things you've mentioned, Mick,
Speaker 3: Martin and Franklin and I don't even have to explain
Speaker 3: this to you. You probably already know.
Speaker 9: But in Program to Kill, they talk about because you
Speaker 9: mentioned Jim Jones, how Henry Lee Lucas was somehow connected
Speaker 9: with Jim Jones, and the serial killer aspect comes into
Speaker 9: play with the cult aspect, and.
Speaker 3: Right, they keep calling Waking In a cult leader.
Speaker 9: In the movie and it's like they keep bringing up
Speaker 9: like this cult mentality thing, and it's it always goes
Speaker 9: hand in hand, like CIA programmed cult leaders, real killers.
Speaker 3: They all know each other.
Speaker 5: They're all they definitely all know each other.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, but I mean it's it's like outlined a
Speaker 9: program to kill so beautifully. I can't remember what the
Speaker 9: connection is, but if you look hard enough, like you
Speaker 9: wouldn't think somebody like Henry Lee Lucas would be paling
Speaker 9: around with Jim Jones doing anything. But it's like somehow
Speaker 9: they're connected, somehow they're friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow.
Speaker 4: Michael Aquino is coming up in waitness statements of Satanic
Speaker 4: ritual abuse in Yukaya, California in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Brow is that with the presidio?
Speaker 5: Oh, he comes up.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Satannian ritual abuse scandals in California
Speaker 4: that come up with Kino there in the eighties, and
Speaker 4: one of which is it in these Army CID themselves,
Speaker 4: the Criminal Investigation Division, they investigated that one as well.
Speaker 4: Because Yukaya basically everyone who worked in Yukaia and ran
Speaker 4: businesses and ran the post office, they were all members
Speaker 4: of the People's Temple.
Speaker 7: Yeah, wow. Yeah, they were running the welfare programs in
Speaker 7: the county. Like I didn't realize how much that infiltrated
Speaker 7: the state level of like the institutional level of the
Speaker 7: you know, it was insane how much he was just
Speaker 7: getting like signed over to him. Like it was interesting
Speaker 7: how they were targeting various individuals who were just fresh
Speaker 7: shout of prison right or they they were uh you know,
Speaker 7: they were experiencing some sort of extraordinary, uh traumatic just
Speaker 7: sort of event in their lives and and were became
Speaker 7: willing to sign over uh basically there their entire Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's crazy, mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And and then you have individuals who were allegedly there
Speaker 7: in Yukaya when when they were having these and he
Speaker 7: would Jim would would have these loyalty tests, especially with
Speaker 7: members of the the sort of inner Circle and the
Speaker 7: People's Temple, and he would uh he even claimed at
Speaker 7: one point, before they ever even left California that uh
Speaker 7: he he had a meeting with with sort of the
Speaker 7: the leadership of the People's Temple and he was discussing
Speaker 7: with them, uh the potential move. And this was before
Speaker 7: all the allegations of abuse and things of that nature
Speaker 7: came up because the claims were being made that he
Speaker 7: was faking many of these sort of theatrical performances for
Speaker 7: the People's Temple members, claiming that he's like healing individuals
Speaker 7: from from cancer, throat cancer and ship and he's actually
Speaker 7: forcing them to like shove chicken bones down their throats
Speaker 7: and like it's super crazy. Then they cough out blood
Speaker 7: and he claims he healed them, and everyone believes it
Speaker 7: because due to the extraordinary level of the presentation itself
Speaker 7: and the theatrical performance. But it's like.
Speaker 5: Wanted to accept it.
Speaker 4: You know, you want to be in the same mindsets,
Speaker 4: your cult, your fellow cult members. You want to you gotta,
Speaker 4: you know, you want to get too far away from
Speaker 4: the herd.
Speaker 9: That's part of the programming, right, That's part of the
Speaker 9: m K. It's like the trauma induced miraculous cures and
Speaker 9: and like God healed them and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's all part of the m K ship exactly.
Speaker 5: Trauma here.
Speaker 4: This is a This is Aby that was talking about
Speaker 4: regarding dichotomy of these two characters possibly even being one
Speaker 4: and the trauma. But my god, quicking in on how
Speaker 4: all these folks now each other? You all were making
Speaker 4: some excellent points there, Sydney Gottlaby, y all didn't know
Speaker 4: I bought a goat farm just down the street from
Speaker 4: the Finders farm there in Virginia.
Speaker 8: Of that, no, that's interesting. I wish it was a
Speaker 8: pig farm for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, well, if you think about the goats though them
Speaker 4: children were caught, and photographs from the Finders sacrificing.
Speaker 5: Goats, I didn't wonder that.
Speaker 7: The execution of Henrietta and Igor Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And and by the way, the the it was Charles E.
Speaker 7: Marsh who had direct connections back to the formation of
Speaker 7: the Federal Reserve. He was a spook himself who provided
Speaker 7: all the funds necessary for Mary and David Petty to
Speaker 7: purchase the hundreds of acres of farmland in Culpepper County, Virginia.
Speaker 7: But that he would then call the farm, which was
Speaker 7: just early near the CIA's training compound, that they called
Speaker 7: the farm right, this.
Speaker 4: To be near where Gottlee's up sets up his goat farm,
Speaker 4: and not but not far from Bill Colby where he
Speaker 4: dies there in southern.
Speaker 7: They all retire there. It's so strange. Colepepper County is
Speaker 7: one of the main areas where all these spooks seem
Speaker 7: to at least.
Speaker 3: JJ is that where Ted Bhole's family is from.
Speaker 4: So Ted Bhole's mother's from Burlington, Vermont. You know his
Speaker 4: biological father Bill Colby, not this but not Colby here,
Speaker 4: Not that's not Bill Colby.
Speaker 5: Now he's actually.
Speaker 4: From Minnesota initially, but his father was a US Army colonel,
Speaker 4: so they traveled a lot. That's what brought them to Burlington.
Speaker 4: He became the rot C commander at the University of
Speaker 4: Vermont nineteen forty one. Nineteen forty one, Yeah, because Colby
Speaker 4: went his jute sophomore, junior or senior there at South
Speaker 4: Burlington Hunt or Burlington High School there.
Speaker 3: And that's where I looked up near books pregnant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he comes back from the war, enlists in Columbia
Speaker 4: University for law school. His mom and dad are living
Speaker 4: in burl Arlington at the same time, Moise in law school.
Speaker 4: And suddenly during that era, you know, you know, Ted
Speaker 4: Ted Bundy's mother gets knocked up by an unknown man
Speaker 4: there in Burlington, Vermont, the same town where I presume
Speaker 4: Bill Colby's visiting his folks on a frequent basis, because
Speaker 4: that is a it's a straight shot from New York
Speaker 4: City to Burlington up the highway. It's about it's about
Speaker 4: six hours. I've done it a lot, but it's not
Speaker 4: it's not a bad drive. But nonetheless, I don't have
Speaker 4: I have documented evidences in town. I know his folks
Speaker 4: are living there still, right, I know no one knows
Speaker 4: who Ted Bundy's father is, So I like to say
Speaker 4: it's Bill and Ted's murderous adventure because why wouldn't What
Speaker 4: would be a better storyline than having the head of
Speaker 4: the Phoenix program come home the Satanic serial killers, one
Speaker 4: of the most prosperous ones being the biological son of
Speaker 4: that man Bill Colby who brought it home.
Speaker 3: And Ted ehol kind of looks like him.
Speaker 4: They dude, they look they look so they look so
Speaker 4: muchke Julia. Now that I just I mean, I might
Speaker 4: have confirmation bias, but like, the more I look at
Speaker 4: those two, I'm like, how is that not more apparent
Speaker 4: to me?
Speaker 5: Before?
Speaker 9: I had never until he brought it up the other day,
Speaker 9: I had never even thought of it.
Speaker 3: They do with that like skinny bridge of the nose.
Speaker 15: Like yeah, and they both because they Ted went to
Speaker 15: law school and this would this would provide a context
Speaker 15: for Ted's strange metiorc rise to the top of the
Speaker 15: Republican Party, not just any top Nelson Rockefeller team RNC
Speaker 15: top of that one.
Speaker 7: Interesting, you know, I wouldn't at all be surprised if
Speaker 7: there was just based on the connection of like the
Speaker 7: Nazi breeding experiments and and what Carrie Thornley, who founded
Speaker 7: Discordianism and was allegedly one of the according to Jim Garrison,
Speaker 7: was one of the Oswald impersonators that was conducting covert
Speaker 7: operations along with Oswald for a time, and that's why
Speaker 7: he was stationed with him at at Sugi Air Force
Speaker 7: Base and.
Speaker 5: Before the fake.
Speaker 4: Defend Garrison was right about that one, sir, because then
Speaker 4: you see Patrick Hemming, he falls in the same category.
Speaker 4: He's one of minch More Bells underlings, Castro Cubans. He
Speaker 4: knew he knew Alls well at the same time.
Speaker 7: Right, which, by the way, uh the Atlanta child murders
Speaker 7: and the Iran contra connection there and and Wayne Williams
Speaker 7: claiming that he was basically, uh, you know, set up
Speaker 7: right as a plausible patsy in terms of a suspect
Speaker 7: of opportunity that he was set up by the CIA
Speaker 7: specifically for that purpose, and what did they utilize. This
Speaker 7: all came from an eighty one hundred file which was
Speaker 7: basically buried underground, and it alleges that this is all
Speaker 7: based on a Georgia Bureau of Investigation a GBI wiretap
Speaker 7: recordings of KKK members who were involved in fucking Iran
Speaker 7: contrah were who were yeah, who were apparently conducting covert
Speaker 7: drug smuggling operations through Hatsfield or Hartsfield air Force Base
Speaker 7: or something or no, the international airport, I mean airport.
Speaker 5: That's the name of the international airport.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and Atlanta and and uh and right, right
Speaker 7: and and uh and so basically that was just one
Speaker 7: of the methods that they were utilizing to you know,
Speaker 7: traffic drugs and then smuggle weapons of course.
Speaker 5: I mean an interruption, sir.
Speaker 4: This is Bill Colby's A I C I C I
Speaker 4: A C I A A I bought Bill Colby, baulwasher bought.
Speaker 5: He shows up every time.
Speaker 4: I don't know who killed Bill Colby, but he's trying
Speaker 4: to argue that murdering women and children is sufficient to
Speaker 4: reason to fight stop communism. And this guy defends everything
Speaker 4: Bill Colby did it's it's quite comical his r R
Speaker 4: channel though, We'll say his dedication keeps me motivated. And
Speaker 4: on that note, we talked about all this trauma. We
Speaker 4: see that in the film with both of these main
Speaker 4: characters here, right, the main character and kind of the
Speaker 4: you know, maybe his double right.
Speaker 7: Definitely, Man, that's so funny licking the tip to dude,
Speaker 7: he he it's the tip. Oh my god, it yeah,
Speaker 7: he starts licking the tip. Dude, that's so funny. Look, yeah,
Speaker 7: Wakin's reaction is prices.
Speaker 4: So that was that was right after he got arrested
Speaker 4: for that for that incident there at the whorehouse with
Speaker 4: a dead outlaw biker gang. They were trying to put
Speaker 4: on him. Even though we see him walking into the facility,
Speaker 4: we see all the l a p d. Guys in
Speaker 4: the background coming up to murder that outlaw biker guy. Right, crazy,
Speaker 4: get kind of a sneak peek into it, right, definitely.
Speaker 4: But the only reason that I brought up carry carry
Speaker 4: in Thornley, uh was because he claimed that he was
Speaker 4: essentially a member. This is so crazy that he says
Speaker 4: that he became convinced that he and Oswald were products
Speaker 4: of MK Ultra and and that they were products of
Speaker 4: MK Ultra in order to create a Mantrain candidate, and
Speaker 4: that one of his handlers, apparently two mysterious middle aged
Speaker 4: men named Gary Kerstein and Slim Brooks, and Thornley later
Speaker 4: came to believe that Kirstein had in reality been senior
Speaker 4: CIA officer and future Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt, who
Speaker 4: allegedly ran point in Dallas for the hit squads that
Speaker 4: were in town to assassinate JFK and the murder of
Speaker 4: the Killing of the King ritual and right after the
Speaker 4: Dallas assassination is so funny because he goes back home
Speaker 4: and he instantly uses his children as a sort of
Speaker 4: alibi and gets goes to a plastic surgeon and has
Speaker 4: his ears tucked right or pinned back, I mean his
Speaker 4: ears pinned back because he had like very unique ears
Speaker 4: and he was worried he would be identified by the
Speaker 4: witnesses for being the point man on sort of the
Speaker 4: Grassy Knoll during the alleged assassination where they had like
Speaker 4: triangulated fire that they had specifically set up multiple hit
Speaker 4: squads obviously to assassinate JFK. One even being there were
Speaker 4: at least three, because one was allegedly stationed at the
Speaker 4: airport because he wasn't going to leave Dallas alive. And
Speaker 4: and and that they had already ran the Chicago and
Speaker 4: Miami operations and even had their plausible patsies in place.
Speaker 4: One of them seemed to very much a match this
Speaker 4: same character profile of one in Lee Harvey Oswald, let
Speaker 4: alone the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald is at a
Speaker 4: a a party right like leading up to the assassination
Speaker 4: in Dallas, like within a few days prior to the assassination.
Speaker 4: I believe it was Clint Murchison Junior set up the party,
Speaker 4: but his father, Clint Murchison Senior, I believe he owned
Speaker 4: like the Cleveland Browns or some some I forget which
Speaker 4: NFL team that he actually owned friends with with Lyndon Johnson,
Speaker 4: and and he was hosting a party himself with Lyndon
Speaker 4: Johnson that night, and multiple other figures that played prominently
Speaker 4: into the assassination as far as being architects right, but
Speaker 4: his son was was hosting a party the very same
Speaker 4: night with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 5: The officer J. D.
Speaker 7: Tippett and Jack fucking Ruby are all at the same party, right,
Speaker 7: hanging out with Heidi Reichen, which is so crazy. Who
Speaker 7: she comes up later on in Watergate because she sets
Speaker 7: up the Columbia Plaza prostitution operation in the Watergate complex
Speaker 7: which housed the DNC at the time.
Speaker 5: And and there was a private communication too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it all lines up with with the Hunt
Speaker 4: was talking, you know, the guy you were describing as slim,
Speaker 4: slim shady there with the with mister Karen Thornley, which
Speaker 4: he he himself.
Speaker 5: Is quite shady.
Speaker 4: Is I agree with a lot of Garrison's conclusions. I
Speaker 4: think Garrison was on a lot more stuff that he
Speaker 4: was there.
Speaker 5: Because you've got to let me show.
Speaker 7: You this picture just for the sake of bringing up
Speaker 7: the Nazi breeding experiments, Lee Harvey Oswald potentially being a
Speaker 7: part of this because no one can really kind of
Speaker 7: kind of but they no one can seem to acknowledge
Speaker 7: who his father really is. And and this is very
Speaker 7: interesting and in terms of the claims that were made
Speaker 7: by by you know, Carrie Thornley, because this is fascinating
Speaker 7: to me. Again it's as far as becoming uh he
Speaker 7: even names right the the member of the SS that
Speaker 7: he believes to have been uh, the father, and I
Speaker 7: believe it was Admiral Carl Donnets. That's what they claim.
Speaker 7: And this is fascinating stuff because he began to suspect
Speaker 7: that his parents were Nazi spies that involved him in
Speaker 7: this Mancharean candidate program. And again he he creates Discordianism
Speaker 7: and a cult, this sort of ideological doctrine that is then,
Speaker 7: you know, implemented at this new age level.
Speaker 4: And it's essentially an officer to the process though, right,
Speaker 4: because when Jim Garrison's doing his grand jury.
Speaker 5: In sixty eight, the process is there.
Speaker 4: They've already he's already onto the process because they've hired
Speaker 4: Tommy Jude Baumler as their attorney and he's already investigated
Speaker 4: Juw Bomber for the JFK stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 3: So do you remember that when we did that episode
Speaker 3: we did and I told you that Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 3: befriended that pedophile guy that was living in California who
Speaker 3: murdered all the boys.
Speaker 9: His name is Patrick Kearney. You remember that they Patrick
Speaker 9: Kearney murdered like one hundred and twenty young boys and
Speaker 9: raped him, disemboweled him. And he said that he became
Speaker 9: friends with Lee Harvey Oswald when they were doing like
Speaker 9: top secret operations, some type of language school or something
Speaker 9: like that. You remember, yep, yeah, yeah, I actually read
Speaker 9: this book. I don't know if you made it to
Speaker 9: this chapter, but it talks about the multiple Oswald theory
Speaker 9: and how there was that's.
Speaker 4: From the Warren Commission that no one pays attention to it.
Speaker 4: That's from the Warren Commission. The Warren Commission inadvertently identified
Speaker 4: numerous children growing up across town from each other named
Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald and Harvey D.
Speaker 5: Oswald.
Speaker 4: But no one pays attention to that component of it.
Speaker 4: Multi they even they obviously didn't pay attention to their
Speaker 4: own summary of it, to be fair, but nonetheless.
Speaker 3: The investigation it's very interesting though.
Speaker 9: If anybody has time to look into the multiple Oswald theory,
Speaker 9: it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 5: No, I agree.
Speaker 4: And speaking of Patrick Kirty and the Monterey Institute where
Speaker 4: Oswald was doing his language training as well, May Brussels
Speaker 4: was there at the same time. She lived in Monterey
Speaker 4: area there, Carmel by the Bay there and she she
Speaker 4: she remembers picking up a hippie man dress is a
Speaker 4: hippie that she later saw on the naval base there
Speaker 4: as at the Language Institute.
Speaker 5: So this is a good example of this late sixties era.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the infiltration of spooks into this countercultural movement,
Speaker 4: or it seems the entire creation of the kind of
Speaker 4: culture movement by spooks, and then they all just keep
Speaker 4: it moving together almost you know, as you know, as
Speaker 4: a biological system just keeps functioning, almost like protects itself.
Speaker 5: It's in some regard, right, it's the.
Speaker 9: Society of Cincinnati. But you're always bringing up JJ. Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 9: I literally wait.
Speaker 4: Who is I'm gonna have to do an episode ony.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that, So I'm I have to
Speaker 4: look more into this, Austin. I'm into the idea. But
Speaker 4: we we do know for a fact that Berry Seal
Speaker 4: and Lee Harvey Oswald we are in the same who
Speaker 4: what we're saying as far as same Silver Patrol you know,
Speaker 4: as as fifth fourteen to fifteen year old. So what
Speaker 4: we're saying here is a breeding around we already have,
Speaker 4: you know, exhibited in that. However, I have to look
Speaker 4: into this lineage. I'm interested in it because Berry Seal
Speaker 4: is a descendant from Captain William Seal the North Carolina
Speaker 4: chapter This is of Cincinnati, and Lee Harvey Oswald's the
Speaker 4: third great grandson of Joseph ols Well, a major in
Speaker 4: the Georgia chapter of the Society of Cincinnati. The Secret
Speaker 4: Society started America. So I'm the idea. But it's interesting
Speaker 4: we see those kind of uh, this this, Those are
Speaker 4: the folks I would expect to be in these programs.
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying as well, so we see
Speaker 4: it being exhibited.
Speaker 9: Jackie actually as in Society of Cincinnati. Because this is
Speaker 9: my theory. Colby didn't think of it at all. He
Speaker 9: has no idea about it. But have you ever heard
Speaker 9: that Jackie actually shock Kennedy?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, final head bluff.
Speaker 5: I have heard that.
Speaker 3: I haven't read that Colby's theory, but I'll have him
Speaker 3: tell it's not my theory.
Speaker 8: I just watched the fucking film and that's I watched
Speaker 8: this Mandela Effect documentary where they show that she fucking
Speaker 8: reaches under his chin, that spray goes straight up, and
Speaker 8: then she drops something metallic behind the scene. But since then,
Speaker 8: I even't think that footage is really well, yeah, I
Speaker 8: don't think.
Speaker 5: It's That's what I'm saying, dude, it's not really I
Speaker 5: think uh.
Speaker 4: I think writer Lee Over in his jfk X documentary
Speaker 4: did a great job buring out the issues with that.
Speaker 4: I mean, on its face, it's another circumstance, but represent
Speaker 4: it's it's interesting who tells these narratives. So again, like
Speaker 4: like matters with the demands story, right, we get Adam
Speaker 4: go Rightley, who's the chief discordian now and again Discordianism
Speaker 4: of Kerry Thornley, I would argue, is part of the
Speaker 4: same British invasion as the process which he had machinations
Speaker 4: within sixty eight and norms when they got there. Because Thornley,
Speaker 4: the rest of Thornley's family tree all British invasion Mormons
Speaker 4: under their era of Brigham Young, they all came to
Speaker 4: America when it was not America. They came to Desret,
Speaker 4: the Mormon nation of Deserret from England. So we see
Speaker 4: the same kind.
Speaker 8: Of aspect that they named their second hand close store
Speaker 8: the Deseret Industries.
Speaker 4: And yeah they name their paper the Deseret you know,
Speaker 4: the Desert News as well. So yeah, so breaking me
Speaker 4: Young when he took over and took the Mormons out west,
Speaker 4: the first thing he did was call the MI six
Speaker 4: is chief spy there James Bond of the mid nineteenth
Speaker 4: century for a meeting. So in eighteen fifty two, it's literally,
Speaker 4: I mean again, we see the machinations of the British
Speaker 4: invasion continuing to circle around these same aspects. Because it's
Speaker 4: my opinion, based upon the Processed Church's own corporate documents,
Speaker 4: that the corem of the seventy that's outlined in those
Speaker 4: corporate documents is the Mormons com of the seventy, which
Speaker 4: is their main organizational structure of the Mothership in Salt
Speaker 4: Lake City.
Speaker 5: Which we provide context of why they're in cannop Utah
Speaker 5: today as well.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So we see that.
Speaker 5: All with Thornley, We see the Mormons, we see the process. Yes, ma'am, well,
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 9: Just gonna say they practice. I don't know if you
Speaker 9: watched Under the Banner of Heaven, but that's when I
Speaker 9: learned about blood atonement and shit, and that's like, I
Speaker 9: don't care what you say, that shit is like straight
Speaker 9: up demonic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's some fundamentalist views. So you have your fundamentalist
Speaker 4: Mormon sex that they don't skew the original theology.
Speaker 11: If you will.
Speaker 4: But and I think some of that stuff again falls
Speaker 4: within some of these elements of these cultus we still
Speaker 4: see today because a lot of those uh Aryan Nazi
Speaker 4: folks in northern Idaho started off as Mormon fundamentalists, you know,
Speaker 4: so we see a lot of imaginations around these kind
Speaker 4: of same activities. But Thornley is a great example of
Speaker 4: another guy with the Language Institute kind of connections with
Speaker 4: the spooky operations, and we see more and more of
Speaker 4: these examples of the you know, infiltration of these movements,
Speaker 4: and we see that with Owen Wilson's character. We see
Speaker 4: that to a certain extent with Dox Sportello. You know,
Speaker 4: he's not as you know, a Quen Phoenix is not
Speaker 4: as openly infiltrating these places, but he's obviously infiltrating all
Speaker 4: these different places.
Speaker 8: They're making it think, making him think it's his idea
Speaker 8: right right the way he's being led by a carrot
Speaker 8: on a.
Speaker 3: See docs.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: Another one of my favorite scenes is where the Nazi
Speaker 8: guy finally has him in the office and they does
Speaker 8: him with PCP and his j and then he shoots
Speaker 8: shoots him. He's like, did they hit you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have that clip up here, sir, But I
Speaker 4: figured and chronologically speaking, once he gets introduced to this
Speaker 4: Golden Fang situation, he starts seeing these disparate elements of
Speaker 4: this mystery. He's being surrounded by ya Queen Phoenix. He
Speaker 4: finds himself at the headquarters of the Golden Fang talking
Speaker 4: to uh old doctor Rudy blatnoid here right, Yeah, man,
Speaker 4: creepy dentist.
Speaker 2: You promised me, you did you not promise?
Speaker 7: She has a strange familial connection too, huh within the discontext.
Speaker 5: A greedy little hippie. The greedy little hippie. So they're
Speaker 5: they're getting the pure China white, as they explained to me.
Speaker 12: Unusually high density and often incoherence. Her father, Crocker, also
Speaker 12: known as the Dark Prince of Pallace.
Speaker 5: Fair Days, was a there you go that her father
Speaker 5: is the Dark Prince of Pallas Verdays. Yeah, that's so crazy.
Speaker 7: That's so close to me.
Speaker 4: Very powerful attorney right in there, and we see him
Speaker 4: later in the machinations of of of representing this entire
Speaker 4: occult drug trafficking Golden fing network. But what I thought
Speaker 4: was interesting there is there was a man, a lawyer
Speaker 4: there in Los Angeles that helped Charles Manson numerous times
Speaker 4: when he got out of Terminal Island in sixty seven
Speaker 4: when he was sew Philip Kaufman and when he when
Speaker 4: he was running that Star talent ag and see he
Speaker 4: got into some some some skirmishes and.
Speaker 5: Troubles with the law.
Speaker 4: And there was a guy out of Pacific, not not
Speaker 4: palace verdes Pacific Palisades, but a very power attorney of
Speaker 4: a blue blood nature. Because we call them Crocker Crocker Fenway.
Speaker 4: I mean that sounds as old East Coast what as
Speaker 4: it gets right?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Did you.
Speaker 7: Uh did you ever come across that Danny trey Hoe
Speaker 7: connection to to Charles Manson? I thought it was so
Speaker 7: funny dude, as far as when.
Speaker 4: He absolutely, and if I if I can just give
Speaker 4: you you can introduce this to that one, I give
Speaker 4: you quick scientology connect to that. So trey Hoo is
Speaker 4: the first cousins with Robert Rodriguez and him and Quentin
Speaker 4: Tarantino have way too first cousins.
Speaker 5: I don't know that, and I love that's why he
Speaker 5: got casting all them films.
Speaker 7: That makes sense.
Speaker 8: But the knife guy, that's that's the one.
Speaker 7: I'll be honest, I was a big fan of the
Speaker 7: Grindhouse films whenever they came out, right like, those were fun.
Speaker 7: That's what got start right and Robert Rodriguez, man, I
Speaker 7: mean from From Dust Till Dawn, I mean, I absolutely
Speaker 7: love that movie, right, just as far as the Cheat right.
Speaker 8: Well, he also casted Quentin Tarantino as himself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, who's just sucking off.
Speaker 8: And he's about the younger girls. I mean, dude. Quin
Speaker 8: Tarantino pulls defense for Polanski.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and I mean dude all the time, dude
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 8: The party girls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's happy to even.
Speaker 4: Bring it up when you're not bring He's worse than
Speaker 4: Anthony wien or who's going around saying he should never
Speaker 4: have been charged for anything.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, you saw that.
Speaker 7: That was so funny, dude. But what about Candace? She said,
Speaker 7: Harvey Weinstein is perfectly innocent.
Speaker 5: He didn't do it.
Speaker 8: He's stepping in line.
Speaker 5: They all do. I swear, she serves my ship, care
Speaker 5: and purpose on things.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 13: She's old.
Speaker 7: Candas everybody tell me right now that you're you're on
Speaker 7: the same track as I am. And as far as
Speaker 7: you guys, your interpretation of the Nick Flints and Candace
Speaker 7: Owens and Tucker Carlson. Oh my god, they're all feuding
Speaker 7: in reality, it's just a way to like coexist and
Speaker 7: push each other up into into prominence in a way.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they're going to bring Alex Jones for the last
Speaker 5: you know, the last uh.
Speaker 8: W w e with these fucking alternative media.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, dude, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4: Now so I think in regards oh well that, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's not happening, that Peter steal if that happened. Right, So,
Speaker 4: we see one of my favorite scenes in the film.
Speaker 4: We see is the ongoing again the ongoing conflict between
Speaker 4: big Foot Biornson there in jo Quin Phoenix's character Dox Sportello,
Speaker 4: but in regards to big Fitt Bjornson in this whole
Speaker 4: Polanski situation. So it was Philip van Atter, the lead
Speaker 4: detective on oj the rookie cop at the scene of
Speaker 4: the Tate Polanski house there in sixty nine. He was
Speaker 4: on scene there, in fact, the first officer on see
Speaker 4: at Tate Polanski Richard Wally, the first officer on scene
Speaker 4: at Nicole Brown Simpson Ron Goldman scene, Richard Wally, Philip
Speaker 4: van Atter was the lead detective there Philip Vanatter was
Speaker 4: second on scene with Richard Wally at Tate Polanski back
Speaker 4: in sixty nine, but in seventy seven it was old
Speaker 4: Philip van Atter. Full disclosure, he and I aren't ken Folk,
Speaker 4: but we have common Kenfolk because the van Atter is
Speaker 4: also hailed from Logan County, West Virginia. And when you
Speaker 4: when you mentioned, uh, what the Franklin scandal that also
Speaker 4: goes back to Logan County, West Virginia with Henry Vensent,
Speaker 4: he's from, He's from and still resides today in Logan County,
Speaker 4: West Virginia.
Speaker 7: You think, yeah, do you think he was given an
Speaker 7: offer he couldn't refuse and and essentially took his own
Speaker 7: life or do you think that was the the layer
Speaker 7: just like kind of explanation.
Speaker 5: For Oh, I guess, I'm I guess I'm behind the
Speaker 5: times Henry Vensent died.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm thinking Craig Spence. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The
Speaker 7: actual connection, the intelligence connection to to Henry Vincent's network.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I heard old Vincent was still he's good,
Speaker 5: he's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think they took Spence out personally.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's oh, yeah, it was very convenient timing for
Speaker 5: all of that.
Speaker 8: Right, that guy would have talked, I guarantee you if
Speaker 8: they would have got him alone in her room.
Speaker 7: Same as same as Debus Gene Palfrey, right who the
Speaker 7: the DC madam who well she was involved with, like
Speaker 7: like uh, Todd Palin, who was essentially during Sarah Palin's
Speaker 7: bid for the White House was there. There were these
Speaker 7: investigations that were being conducted prior to all of that,
Speaker 7: and during uh, that process, Todd Palin was sort of
Speaker 7: exposed as being affiliated with this sexual black male human
Speaker 7: compromise operation with a with a madam prostitution.
Speaker 5: Yes, and and uh it directly that book still stealed.
Speaker 4: That book still steal They threw the federal judge off
Speaker 4: the court the bench, I believe ever ever exactly.
Speaker 7: That's why she died of the worst case of suicide
Speaker 7: you've ever seen. And she claimed prior to that that
Speaker 7: obviously she would never kill herself and that if anything
Speaker 7: happened to her that you questioned the outcome. And uh
Speaker 7: and nobody has done this obviously except for people like
Speaker 7: Nick Bryant or or individuals like us that are obviously
Speaker 7: that they they claimed that were schizophrenic, You know what
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 4: Basically, you bring us some good points as far as
Speaker 4: the whole Franklin scandal business.
Speaker 5: Good. Oh, go ahead, ma'am, go ahead, the.
Speaker 3: One who died with jump stuff.
Speaker 7: Virginia Yeah, old least Sea by the way, I'm telling
Speaker 7: you right now. And and I got uh, I got
Speaker 7: some strange like pushback on on Fiona Barnett and eyes
Speaker 7: wide open. I'm not sure if you guys are are like,
Speaker 7: are aware of that book or or some of the
Speaker 7: allegations that she had made with Detective James Rothstein that
Speaker 7: she at the very least she had a relationship with
Speaker 7: It made me consider at the very least what she was,
Speaker 7: you know, claiming to be the case. But but it's
Speaker 7: just like, man, honestly, I could understand a world where
Speaker 7: where where she was given the Virginia Jeffrey treatment and
Speaker 7: essentially they undermined her credibility in a way that was
Speaker 7: that was just perfectly convenient for the moment and time.
Speaker 7: Obviously in terms of the epstein A disclosure, guys right
Speaker 7: then and the transparency the most transparent governments and administration
Speaker 7: in American history, as we're intended.
Speaker 4: To believe, right And I think that's what you're pointing out, sir,
Speaker 4: is what I like to say is why would you
Speaker 4: understand who's giving us these messages, what their motivations and
Speaker 4: intents may be, and what you know possibly you know again,
Speaker 4: what's the outcome they may desire amongst a larger group
Speaker 4: that they may be connected to. For example, would you
Speaker 4: believe Virginia Giuphra's maternal uncle is likely to a member
Speaker 4: of the Society of the Cincinnati from a very powerful
Speaker 4: member of the Virginia Chapter du Her mother is a
Speaker 4: Cabelle and the Kabel's if you're familiar with the Cabell's,
Speaker 4: that's the deputy director of the CIA. The JFK fired
Speaker 4: along with the Dollars. He's a Kabell and his brother
Speaker 4: was the mayor of Dallas that day. Earl Cabell Right, No,
Speaker 4: Earl Cabell and Charles Cabell would be third cousins of
Speaker 4: Virginia Geuphray's mother Cabell.
Speaker 7: I fucking love you, JJ. I learned so much every.
Speaker 5: Time there's fives.
Speaker 4: Five boys in the Virginia chapters whipping out the notebook.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't think she ever left the network, right. She
Speaker 4: was always a victim, even even up until her death.
Speaker 4: You mean in very capacities. I think, right, I was
Speaker 4: never able to able to leave. I think she was
Speaker 4: born into it, much like I was saying about Lee
Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald and very sealed.
Speaker 5: These are the people that out of the society.
Speaker 8: It's like a gang, like you're taking again. They fucking
Speaker 8: oh big time for the ship they've done.
Speaker 5: And they got to play for daddy. And what does
Speaker 5: he do?
Speaker 4: Because and then it helps describe these matters I think better, dude,
Speaker 4: Virginia she was at the age of seven, she was
Speaker 4: already being molested by a friend of the family apparently,
Speaker 4: and and uh, you know, and and to understand that
Speaker 4: what was it her father that arranged for her to
Speaker 4: get that position?
Speaker 7: At at uh at uh? Why is it escapability?
Speaker 13: Right now?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Merilago, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And and then you know her father now has gone
Speaker 5: trans No, all.
Speaker 13: Right, du.
Speaker 7: Let's check off every box.
Speaker 4: That's that Sky Roberts on his on his public Facebook page,
Speaker 4: he's wearing a wig and address.
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm not making JJ.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when we talked about that with writer
Speaker 3: and I said that her name is Darlene dirty Puss.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's the great nickname. I do remember that, darling.
Speaker 8: She forgot to.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, hilarious.
Speaker 5: But see picture. What's that her?
Speaker 8: Are you still streaming on YouTube and we got kicked
Speaker 8: off yet?
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure, I'm sure we were good. I've said worse.
Speaker 4: Painting is larger, broader picture of all these majors said.
Speaker 4: If we know about the scandal, if it's a parapolitical event,
Speaker 4: we're aware of not only do I argue, all roads
Speaker 4: go back to the Cincinnati. You know, there's a question
Speaker 4: about JFK our our channel. Again, I appreciate your dedication there.
Speaker 4: JFK was a member of the Society of Cincinnati by
Speaker 4: virtue of being the US president. He's a not a
Speaker 4: hereditary member. He doesn't get to pass it down. However,
Speaker 4: his wife's father was a hereditary member of the Maryland Chapter.
Speaker 4: He died in fifty seven. Thus JFK Junior was born
Speaker 4: into the Society of the Cincinnati in that in in
Speaker 4: that in that hereditary role.
Speaker 5: So you look at the JFK death real quick.
Speaker 4: You got Lee Harvey Oswald probably a hereditary member of
Speaker 4: the Georgia Chapter. Whether or not who is biological father is.
Speaker 4: That is where for example, his grandfather was a colonel
Speaker 4: in the Confederate Army, so we can see that lineage
Speaker 4: through through these matters.
Speaker 5: But then you have.
Speaker 4: Jackie Kennedy's father, Jack Bouvier, was a Maryland chapter member. Again,
Speaker 4: he was dead by that time, but puts JFK. Junior's
Speaker 4: death in the new light. You got jaeg Or Hoover
Speaker 4: is a member of the New York Chapter of the
Speaker 4: Society of the Cincinnati. It really paints a different picture
Speaker 4: for a lot of these parapolitical scandals, right, And again,
Speaker 4: that's that's.
Speaker 7: Fat Like I'm not trying to cut you off, and
Speaker 7: and and continue on. I just wanted to briefly mention
Speaker 7: the fact that I think there's no doubt about it
Speaker 7: and and there's no way that it it we can
Speaker 7: kind of chalk it up to some sort of ultimate
Speaker 7: coincidence happening here in terms of the direct connection to
Speaker 7: this Nazi element to monarch mink traumatic you know, uh,
Speaker 7: just this very obvious trauma based mind control is what
Speaker 7: they're they were pursuing. And and uh, even with I'm
Speaker 7: doing a series right now because I remember when I
Speaker 7: covered the detroiugh fair that that that man, I'll tell you.
Speaker 7: That criminal case affected me more than anything I've ever studied.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the program to Kill prologue before bed at like
Speaker 8: one in the morning, and I was like, no, good, Okay,
Speaker 8: I guess I'm gonna go to sleep now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We had just.
Speaker 3: Started like talking again when I did the Pedaphocracy series,
Speaker 3: didn't we I couldn't. I couldn't get over it. I
Speaker 3: couldn't stop talking about it. It was bothering me. I
Speaker 3: was in a really dark place after I read that
Speaker 3: book and I did the series on it.
Speaker 5: And well, that's a good sign you have a soul there, ma'am,
Speaker 5: because it's some dark shit. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark Dutrou was one of the worst things I
Speaker 3: ever read about ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And you know, through the investigation they connect back to
Speaker 7: the Satanic Order of Abersachs or the app of Braxis
Speaker 7: the Chicken Snake God, whatever you want to refer to
Speaker 7: it as. But I mean, legitimately, the High Priestess of
Speaker 7: the Order was sending that they had like a dialogue
Speaker 7: between Bernard Weinstein, that one of the key accomplices in
Speaker 7: the Detro network that was helping the trow abduct the
Speaker 7: children raping them while they're in shackles and putting them
Speaker 7: in the dungeons like terrible things. But what I found
Speaker 7: so fascinating about it all just in reference to uh,
Speaker 7: the sort of the just this reoccurring and resurfacing Nazi
Speaker 7: thread and element that exists within this context of monarch
Speaker 7: is and and by the way, uh, you know, key
Speaker 7: instrumental operatives have been named, you know, uh in terms
Speaker 7: of who who kind of like suggested this path to
Speaker 7: Alan Doles, which then apparently kind of embraced it and
Speaker 7: facilitated the path and and as as a good sociopath
Speaker 7: would do.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 4: But obviously, yeah, those dolls boys, there are a lot
Speaker 4: of trouble, aren't they honestly.
Speaker 7: But but the the only point I really wanted to
Speaker 7: make about that is is just that the grandmother of
Speaker 7: Regina Loof whose X one in the in the Belgian
Speaker 7: X files, right, the ex dossier that was made public
Speaker 7: by Wiki leaks and and kind of helped expose so
Speaker 7: much of the details of the individual abusers within the
Speaker 7: network of detrou and and she she claimed man her
Speaker 7: her grandmother was the individual who had one she was
Speaker 7: forced to sexually uh uh sort of gratified to please
Speaker 7: her in sexual ways. And again it points out the
Speaker 7: familial dynastic pedophilic imprint that is so very obvious and
Speaker 7: and resurfacing in every single one of these networks, which
Speaker 7: is so fascinating, especially the state sponsored heavy intelligence footprint.
Speaker 7: You know, examples that we can point to. But but
Speaker 7: the fact of the matter is that her grandmother, Regina
Speaker 7: Luf's grandmother, she was a collaborator during World War Two,
Speaker 7: running two brothels, one of which was for Nazi officers,
Speaker 7: in another for Nazi soldiers, just the regular infantry.
Speaker 6: And she she was.
Speaker 7: Briefly detained after the war in Noke, I believe is
Speaker 7: where she was detained. But then she's released, and she
Speaker 7: goes on and finds her way to Belgium and opens
Speaker 7: up a new brothel and continues on with this enterprise.
Speaker 7: And so to me, it's like, are we supposed to
Speaker 7: chalk this up to another coincidence, that that there's no
Speaker 7: way this had anything to do with monarch mind control
Speaker 7: and and the sort of overall umbrella. Yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 7: no way.
Speaker 2: In my mind that.
Speaker 4: Well no, it's all we're talking about the match, Like
Speaker 4: I said, we're seeing like elements of what Jim Garrison
Speaker 4: would describe as kind of this and when he when
Speaker 4: he's facing off against Johnny Carson regards the JFK matters
Speaker 4: and his grand jury against this network, and early he
Speaker 4: was he was not fully aware but aware of the
Speaker 4: process that he was up against here in this network. Again,
Speaker 4: they were they were operating in around his entire investigation,
Speaker 4: including Kerry Thornley. But we see we see him explain,
Speaker 4: you know. Carson's like, well, hey, wait a second there, Jim, Uh,
Speaker 4: it seems like you're describing different things here as you're
Speaker 4: trying to tell me about this, uh, this conspiracy to
Speaker 4: kill to kill the president, and and uh, he's he's
Speaker 4: he puts cart well, you know what, I'll just I
Speaker 4: may I'll just play the clip.
Speaker 5: I have a clip of it right here.
Speaker 4: But he's telling Carson, He's like, yeah, yeah, these are
Speaker 4: all different components of a much larger animal, a much
Speaker 4: larger gene, right. And I think what Garrison is doing
Speaker 4: here is describing the process without saying it's the process,
Speaker 4: because again he had the early understandings of some of
Speaker 4: these matters, but didn't fully understand perhaps what he was
Speaker 4: dealing with. So then we pull that clip up here
Speaker 4: before we go any further. But yeah, I didn't have
Speaker 4: a way to describe it other than, like, you know,
Speaker 4: he's trying to describe the fundamental elements of it, right,
Speaker 4: and he knows again he's got Tommy Jude Baumber on
Speaker 4: his radar, He's got Fred Chrisman, the first UFO witness
Speaker 4: on his radar is chief suspect. One of his chief
Speaker 4: suspects in his grand jury is Lee Harvey Oswald, who
Speaker 4: is now interceding with Barbara Reid, who's another suspect there.
Speaker 5: She's a witch, local witch. They're all doing process stuff.
Speaker 4: The first the first discordions and bibles published in Garrison's
Speaker 4: office by by folks connected to the process.
Speaker 5: So you can't tell me this chaos, Colt. They have
Speaker 5: this whole fancy back.
Speaker 4: Real cute. It's real cute. But no, yeah, I do, Garrett.
Speaker 4: I've been I've been a Garrison super fan for years.
Speaker 4: How I became friends with John.
Speaker 8: Barbers because Kevin Costa played him in a movie. But
Speaker 8: I had no fucking idea he was this is like
Speaker 8: I thought, Mari was probably the first person to really
Speaker 8: put this out there. I had no idea about this.
Speaker 4: Oh it's not out there, and some of it's in
Speaker 4: the secret files. John Barber still got but still trying
Speaker 4: to get my ninety three years old.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 4: John Barber's interesting man himself. He used to be a
Speaker 4: personal writer for Frank Sinatra, who ties into all these
Speaker 4: matters of the Manson families and Satanism and mafia stuff.
Speaker 4: Then we see depicted in this film.
Speaker 7: But the organized crime as the organized crime footprint helping
Speaker 7: provide that plausible deniability, uh, you know, uh sort of
Speaker 7: cut out for intelligence. They run hand in hand, they
Speaker 7: sort of coexist in that very way. And that's the
Speaker 7: same thing that happened in Watergate, right, the Columbia Plaza
Speaker 7: operation was set up and then and Joe Nesline was
Speaker 7: the key mafia uh you know, at least organized crime
Speaker 7: individual who was affiliated in d C, who was obviously helping, uh,
Speaker 7: provide the the in in my mind, the plausible deniability
Speaker 7: for the CIA, which is why you had Heidie Reichen
Speaker 7: claim that she had CIA protection and that was allegedly
Speaker 7: who was who was In reality it was Joe Neslin's network,
Speaker 7: but it was on behalf of the c i A. Right,
Speaker 7: And that's what's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Well, and the Mormons don't sit on the Mormons because
Speaker 4: I Howard Hunt was employed by the Moullen Corporation, which
Speaker 4: is all run by US Center future US Center from Utah,
Speaker 4: Bob Bennett and Skull and Bonesman Bob Benn and they
Speaker 4: were shut down over all these matters because they were
Speaker 4: a CI, a Mormon front company that were employing the
Speaker 4: Watergate burglars, notably E.
Speaker 5: Howard Hunt. Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you had this naval intelligence guy who had never
Speaker 8: made a journalist before in his life just suddenly get
Speaker 8: this big case. I mean that that right there, Like
Speaker 8: I didn't learn probably until I was in my thirties. Right,
Speaker 8: you watch all the President's men and you see all
Speaker 8: that shit I mean.
Speaker 7: On it Office of Naval Intelligence right before he's then
Speaker 7: sent to the Washington Post to sort of control the
Speaker 7: narrative in terms of the Watergate scandal, which again it's
Speaker 7: like what is deep throat? Yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 7: it's a sort of like uh in my mind, it's
Speaker 7: it's this uh again, it's a construct. But it's all
Speaker 7: these different voices at the time, which which there are
Speaker 7: at least it's a it's a sort of I think
Speaker 7: there's at least four people that could fall under the
Speaker 7: umbrella of what Deep Throat technically represented at that time.
Speaker 7: But but at the same time, it's just again, it
Speaker 7: was a strategic and convenient, uh way to obviously provide
Speaker 7: a source that in reality was just the intelligence apparatus
Speaker 7: running the more Radford spy scandal, which we're we're conducting
Speaker 7: survey lists on the Nickson administration and it's it's fascinating
Speaker 7: to see every aspect of By the way, Douglas Caddy
Speaker 7: is employed by Mullening Company as well. He's he's I
Speaker 7: Howard Hunt's personal private attorney at the time.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying, dude, the Mormons don't get
Speaker 5: blamed for any of this ship dude nothing.
Speaker 7: And he's what for United Fruit. He's up there running
Speaker 7: well allegedly you're hitting.
Speaker 4: Them first of all, so you're hitting way too many,
Speaker 4: too many, uh, you're setting off too many kill Bill
Speaker 4: sirns in a brain hole at the moment because all
Speaker 4: I has to do with Carl Lender, the thirty thirty
Speaker 4: degree freemason out of Cincinnati, Ohio, And that's a little
Speaker 4: bit of a different tale together because he's behind all
Speaker 4: the Bush machine too as well, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: You know, he owned the Reds, He run basically the
Speaker 4: city of Cincinnati at one point in time.
Speaker 5: His son kind of.
Speaker 7: Does you got to send me a couple of things,
Speaker 7: because I'm about I'm gonna have to. At this point,
Speaker 7: you've convinced me my next solo project will be the
Speaker 7: Society of the Cincinnati.
Speaker 11: I have to.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 13: I like it there.
Speaker 4: And let me bring us back back to this conversation
Speaker 4: her knife for I played this clip from Garrison about
Speaker 4: the what he so, what we're looking at in the
Speaker 4: film and hair advice is this machination of this deep
Speaker 4: state matters of national security, Nazi cult network, right, which
Speaker 4: has different faces and stuff too. And that's what Garrison
Speaker 4: conds has explained to Carson in a very rudimentary sense.
Speaker 4: Very smart man, but he didn't quite have the full
Speaker 4: understanding because this is sixty eight and by seventy seven,
Speaker 4: during during the assassination or not, that's the nineties, during
Speaker 4: the House elect Committee on Assassinations, Garrison writes them a
Speaker 4: letter it's in the it's in the record, saying if
Speaker 4: you solve the wandering bishop situation, you'll solve the Kennedy murder.
Speaker 4: Something that affect which again all revolves around you know,
Speaker 4: those wandering bishops, Tommy, Jude Baumer, David Berry, Chrisman.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 7: That So the wandering Bishops came on to my radar
Speaker 7: whenever I was like figuring out the connection there between
Speaker 7: the process and the incorporation in Louisiana and and how
Speaker 7: much they were fundamental in the FK architecture of the
Speaker 7: assassination there and in obviously, uh, what was it five
Speaker 7: four for Camp Street? Isn't that what it was? That
Speaker 7: that was, uh, you know the location where all the
Speaker 7: intelligence apparatus just sort of flocked to this coincidence ye
Speaker 7: offs of naval intelligence in that building. That was one
Speaker 7: of my favorite scenes in the in the actual film itself.
Speaker 5: That No, it's a great scene. It's and it's very
Speaker 5: what was going on down there.
Speaker 4: As far as that was a basis of operations for
Speaker 4: a lot of it spook activity administratively speaking, yes, like
Speaker 4: a picture of the headquarters aspect to manage their southern operations,
Speaker 4: which is what it was doing.
Speaker 5: That's where there are Cuba operations et cetera.
Speaker 7: But you know that, I'm sorry. I just wanted to
Speaker 7: mention the fact that Henry Lee Lucas right from the
Speaker 7: hand of death that you mentioned earlier. Julia She She
Speaker 7: He claimed that that basically when he was being trained
Speaker 7: in these these various uh, sophisticated techniques in child abduction,
Speaker 7: in targeted assassinations, you know, just sort of the gambit
Speaker 7: in terms of how you would conduct covert operations clandestinely.
Speaker 11: In in.
Speaker 7: Under the shroud of of secrecy and protection. And and
Speaker 7: he was claiming that they had they had these sophisticated
Speaker 7: techniques in place where they would obviously know and they
Speaker 7: would be tipped off as to when there would be
Speaker 7: these flyovers, these aerial flyovers for surveillance purposes by the military,
Speaker 7: various uh, you know, officials within the just local officials
Speaker 7: and authorities and things of that nature. They would get
Speaker 7: tipped off anytime there would be a sort of flyover
Speaker 7: where they had apparently they had this sort of just
Speaker 7: presiding cover operation in place where they would be able
Speaker 7: to hide their their footprint from the air right so
Speaker 7: that way they wouldn't be exposed.
Speaker 5: Was basically is.
Speaker 4: Set some camouflage things to break up the patterns exactly,
Speaker 4: or they would not as technical as it seems to be,
Speaker 4: you know, really hide from the aircraft like that.
Speaker 5: Exactly. He's right.
Speaker 7: But to me, it even lends credibility to the fact
Speaker 7: of like the story of James Wesley Howe. This is
Speaker 7: what I refer to as like just modern gladiol you know,
Speaker 7: in my mind, which is the strategy of tension playing
Speaker 7: out domestically.
Speaker 5: Utilizing all these programs. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: And and for me, you witness the fact that apparently
Speaker 7: and these claims were made that James Wesley Howe. So
Speaker 7: this is all surrounding the Omar Matine Pols night club
Speaker 7: shooting right that that occurred and and was very political
Speaker 7: as well. And and obviously you had Sadiki Mattine, the
Speaker 7: father of the alleged perpetrator, who just shows up the
Speaker 7: Clinton rally just right after the event takes place, and
Speaker 7: he's holding like this sign, what justrategically placed just in
Speaker 7: the frame of the camera, uh, for this for this
Speaker 7: political rally event to take place. And again it's it's
Speaker 7: opposing Trump at the time, which I found very interesting.
Speaker 7: But it's also like the terms of of the sign
Speaker 7: itself were. Basically it was a complete uh you know,
Speaker 7: condemnation of Trump, but also like.
Speaker 4: This kind of like kind of like Chucky there at
Speaker 4: the Vigilant California rally, right exactly.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 7: That he stages this sort of like a false flag
Speaker 7: pretext narrative. But also you know, again he's.
Speaker 5: The film or mate was also a whacken hunting point?
Speaker 5: Was he not G four S Exactly?
Speaker 7: That G four S was you know, obviously the the
Speaker 7: the new, the new branded kind of like if.
Speaker 4: You're talking Nazis and Deep States, Sir George Wackenhunt, is
Speaker 4: that the deep mix.
Speaker 5: George w.
Speaker 7: Bush ran contra the Cabazon Indian Reservation. Every aspect of
Speaker 7: of running the covert operation. She's testing esoteric what they
Speaker 7: claim to be esoteric weapons systems like high speed rails
Speaker 7: and are not high speed rails. But what what was
Speaker 7: the name of the ship there was there was a
Speaker 7: specific a weapon that they were actually testing on the
Speaker 7: caps On Indian Reservation. That is its escaping me at
Speaker 7: this moment.
Speaker 4: But I mean all these things, I think all these
Speaker 4: things fall within these this like you're saying the operation Gladio,
Speaker 4: you know, Satanic serial killers, Sataniam Inc. Of the Phoenix
Speaker 4: program and the Air American drug trafficking and all come home.
Speaker 4: And we see all of those three programs. Colby Squeer's programs,
Speaker 4: not not not this Kobe, that's not Bill Kolby. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about Bill Colby. We see all his programs that
Speaker 4: he that he basically invented or was, you know, made
Speaker 4: his bones running, right uh, bringing brought home, and again
Speaker 4: we see those elements depicted in and around these Nazi
Speaker 4: Satanists Colt Fuckers and their and their Golden Fang other
Speaker 4: style operations that have embedded all throughout every aspect of
Speaker 4: Los Angeles government. Again, that's what has motivated Bigfoot Bjorns
Speaker 4: and here on his rampage of disruption of those events.
Speaker 4: But we also see here if I may bring us back,
Speaker 4: the Nazi Satanist stuff in the Manson family murders again
Speaker 4: major narrative in this film. In hearrent vice and we
Speaker 4: see Sharon Tate, her father, Lieutenant Colonel Paul ta US
Speaker 4: Army Intelligence again very spooky. His second great grandfather was
Speaker 4: Lieutenant Jesse Tate of the Virginia Chapter of the Society
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Wow the only male descendant he is yet
Speaker 4: he is still yet to produce. Was in the belly
Speaker 4: eight and a half month pregnant of his daughter Sharon.
Speaker 4: Tate would have been the hereditary descendant of that bloodline
Speaker 4: within the Society of Cincinnati. If you look at the
Speaker 4: elimination on that boodline.
Speaker 7: It was a fertility death ritual then, right, Like, there's
Speaker 7: that in a certain way, do you think, because that
Speaker 7: seems to fit the pattern as far.
Speaker 4: As I think, it's part of that whole hog effect. Right,
Speaker 4: So they're doing the fraternity fertility death ritual. There's a
Speaker 4: drug trafficking aspect to it. Yeah, there's a cult sex
Speaker 4: tape aspects to these things because they're selling sex tapes
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But there's also a fact that
Speaker 4: there's probably a hit. Right, So you got Sea Bring,
Speaker 4: you got Folger. That's obviously coke and seabrings and scientologists.
Speaker 4: Folger's mother's doing the free clinic stuff. She's deeply involved
Speaker 4: in the coke and trafficking and trade. They're all doing
Speaker 4: process stuff, right, and then you also see the aspect
Speaker 4: that this may be a hit also included in that
Speaker 4: where they're ending the Tate bloodline and that's in that secret.
Speaker 5: Society that started America.
Speaker 7: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: And on that note, also Leno la Bianc if you
Speaker 4: want to understand, so I'm I always think, I've always thought,
Speaker 4: and I continue to focus with more of my research
Speaker 4: and activities here Operation GCD, and I thank you all
Speaker 4: of you all to join me here tonight to get
Speaker 4: old GCD and the folks of the interwebs is understanding
Speaker 4: the victimology, what brought this victim into those circumstances, and
Speaker 4: what were the instances in their environment that may have
Speaker 4: caused that. You look at Leno la Bianca. Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: got mob stuff. You know, it's fairly well documented that.
Speaker 4: You know, he also bought that home from from Walt Disney,
Speaker 4: which is weird, and Disney had that Disneyland launched their
Speaker 4: Haunt House, a new museum or new ride that night,
Speaker 4: the Haunted Mansion on the night of leninlong Bianca's murder.
Speaker 4: And a homeown only owned by Walt Disney. That's not creepy,
Speaker 4: that's very creepy. So you got the occult stuff there too.
Speaker 4: But you also have Leno la Bianca speaking the Nazis
Speaker 4: before Project a paper clip. It was called Operation Overcast,
Speaker 4: and they were in a camp called Camp Overcast in
Speaker 4: southern Bavaria and from July of nineteen forty five to
Speaker 4: March of nineteen forty six, the E six Military Police
Speaker 4: sergeant in charge of that camp appears to.
Speaker 5: Have been Leno La Bianca. Oh my god, what.
Speaker 8: I have not heard that one?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, here's the deal. Here's what I'm at with it.
Speaker 4: I say, appears because I've got his unit. He's the
Speaker 4: he's again, he's the So I was in the I
Speaker 4: retires an East seven master started in the Air Force
Speaker 4: Military Police. He was the Army Air Corps Military Police,
Speaker 4: a proceeding kind of outfit because the Air Force went
Speaker 4: the thing yet. But back then in E six that
Speaker 4: was like that was at least with the kind of
Speaker 4: you know power or you know responsibility to put on
Speaker 4: an E seven or E eight because they didn't have
Speaker 4: any seven E back then when East six and the
Speaker 4: E seven was chief. So you know, I could speak
Speaker 4: he would you know in the six there would have
Speaker 4: had a lot of responsibilities. He had no ranking sergeants there.
Speaker 4: They were on paper assigned to the headquarters unit eight
Speaker 4: miles away from Camp Overcast. All I'm saying, is camp
Speaker 4: overcast had an MP, some MP's garden it and there's
Speaker 4: no MPs needed at the headquarters unit eight miles away,
Speaker 4: so they're on paper there.
Speaker 5: He's the one in charge. I think he knew a
Speaker 5: lot about that Nazi program.
Speaker 2: It seems.
Speaker 7: It makes sense.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 4: So on that note, when we're talking about Nazis, mafia's
Speaker 4: infiltration of governments, colts, drug trafficking in Hollywood, et cetera,
Speaker 4: I think Jim Garrison is trying to describe these elements
Speaker 4: early on in his investigation when trying to bring any
Speaker 4: sort of criminal charges against the whole Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 10: Right, I'm telling you, man, the confusion, and don't you
Speaker 10: seem to be writing off in all directions.
Speaker 11: It seems like it doesn't. Let me ask you right.
Speaker 11: Let me ask you first, how many hours ago? I
Speaker 11: ask the answer? This list is just one open.
Speaker 10: Well, I know that we have the rest of the
Speaker 10: program this season. I understand that we can't sit here
Speaker 10: and completely re create well fear right on what happens.
Speaker 10: But I just wanted to get the penology of the statement.
Speaker 11: Let me see, let me put the folks, uh if
Speaker 11: I were to say, for example, that an elephant, uh
Speaker 11: has a tail, and he's gray, and he has four legs.
Speaker 11: But it's possible for somebody to point out just minutes Uh,
Speaker 11: you just finished saying open has a tail. Now you
Speaker 11: say he has four legs, and now you say he's great.
Speaker 11: The point I'm making is the feature of these factors
Speaker 11: is a is a characteristic of one being, and in
Speaker 11: a complex situation like this, it's possible to be standing
Speaker 11: of a different point of view and describing different path
Speaker 11: For example, we find that m big group.
Speaker 5: So it was.
Speaker 4: He goes on to provide more details. I think he
Speaker 4: does a good description of trying to describe this this
Speaker 4: this elephant in America's room, if you will. And you know,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of pushback you got speaking of
Speaker 4: his ongoing enterprises, rolled Ronnie Riggs gets a lot of credit,
Speaker 4: and not for the right reasons, not the least of
Speaker 4: what's starring in a film alongside Mansonite and Lieutenant Bobby
Speaker 4: Bosole and Mondo Hollywood.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, Uh, he blocked, he blocked the poenas of Jim
Speaker 4: Garrison's Jim Garrison was trying to extradite I always, I
Speaker 4: always say it's Freddy Christmin, but it's not.
Speaker 5: It's a different guy.
Speaker 4: But he was involved in he was another guy in
Speaker 4: one of these uh you know, deep state kind of
Speaker 4: assassins like Chrisman working for the aerospace industry.
Speaker 5: Again Nazi's right. So he and Garrison was trying to
Speaker 5: extradue him from California, and Ronnie Reagan said knew he
Speaker 5: was the governor at the time, the same governor that
Speaker 5: as we see in the film in Haarentvice, he's the
Speaker 5: one who privatizes all the mental health and institutions, which
Speaker 5: then is explained in this film as the cult seizing
Speaker 5: on it as a profiteering enterprise, which is probably the
Speaker 5: reason why it did in the first place.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, I mean that makes it definitely makes sense
Speaker 7: as far as especially considering Reagan's role and his administration
Speaker 7: as far as the governorship and in California in terms
Speaker 7: of the the Danny Castilero's octopus and the promised software scandal,
Speaker 7: right and.
Speaker 5: Just that alone.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and all connects back to the Cabazon Indian Reservation
Speaker 7: where it was the rail gun that they were testing,
Speaker 7: as far as the esoteric weapon system, one of them
Speaker 7: being what they were attempting to develop under the wacken
Speaker 7: Hunt Security Corporation while they were running this sort of
Speaker 7: strange like uh, they were utilizing the the individuals on
Speaker 7: the reservation as essentially slave labor, and they're flying in
Speaker 7: illegal Mexican nationals to to cook methamphetamine on the reservation.
Speaker 7: It was like fascinating what they were all involved in.
Speaker 7: And allegedly, according to UH, Michael Rocconnaschutto, who was running
Speaker 7: covert operations according to him and then later on kind
Speaker 7: of hung out to dry in that concept. They claimed
Speaker 7: he was running the he was smuggling heroin and he
Speaker 7: was cut up in this operation. But in my mind,
Speaker 7: this dude was running the heroin smuggling operation on behalf
Speaker 7: of the enterprise and was hung out to dry because
Speaker 7: he became uh too exposed in reality in terms of
Speaker 7: providing the back door into the promised software on the
Speaker 7: cabs on Indian Reservation, that's what they claimed happened. Promised
Speaker 7: software is a case management software allegedly that that right
Speaker 7: the the wasn't it the the Hamilton's or some shit
Speaker 7: I forget the name of.
Speaker 4: It developed by the NSA and fought out between the
Speaker 4: scenes there's a lot of spooke fight warfare going on
Speaker 4: there that sold public effort.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, it paves the way for Reagan to enter
Speaker 7: the White House. Honestly, in many ways, I think this
Speaker 7: was just another sort of u uh part of the process,
Speaker 7: just as far as like providing his value, you know,
Speaker 7: in certain ways.
Speaker 4: No literally, because we're kind of shoodos in the Hate
Speaker 4: Nashbury with Charles Manson. They they're working at the Street
Speaker 4: Theater and the opening night with the Grateful Dead, you know,
Speaker 4: the c I A TA A stock bohem engrovers Right again,
Speaker 4: this is all a lot of spook shit.
Speaker 7: It's all spooky.
Speaker 4: It all glows like the sun. There's no way around it, right,
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. And when we look at we look at
Speaker 4: those machinations. One other aspect we see there is that
Speaker 4: Hollywood there's a Hollywood star behind this whole enterprise of
Speaker 4: this drug trafficking, right again, Burke Stodger, and he's running.
Speaker 4: He's the one who on paper even is running the
Speaker 4: looney bend, those newly privatized as they they even mentioned
Speaker 4: in the film that Reagan privatized.
Speaker 5: So what what what uh? What are your all thoughts there?
Speaker 4: Julia and not not Bill Colby is in regards to
Speaker 4: some of these matters of these looney Bins, because I
Speaker 4: saw Julia shaking her head very quickly when I mentioned
Speaker 4: the Looney Bins that I know you had some thoughts
Speaker 4: we previously discussed in regards to these some of these matters.
Speaker 9: Well, I'll let you go first, but I was just
Speaker 9: gonna say it's it's because we're covering mental illness and
Speaker 9: like the Looney Bins and stuff in our new series.
Speaker 9: The next episode, we're going to talk a little bit
Speaker 9: more about this. But like mental illness in these Laurel
Speaker 9: camps as I call them, where people get sent to
Speaker 9: get like therapy sessioned or whatever it's they're just like
Speaker 9: m k fucking like, they're not here to help you.
Speaker 3: It's an industry. This is all I mean.
Speaker 5: You can say of the world.
Speaker 13: Are you.
Speaker 8: Dude?
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know who rest friend was, Yes, Aj Bran, the
Speaker 4: leader of the Neo processing Sorry go ahead, sir.
Speaker 8: No, it's gonna say. I only know about the Brian
Speaker 8: guy because of you. But like that friends what was
Speaker 8: it called the Friends of Animals or the fucking animal fuckers.
Speaker 5: Of Walmart, best Friends of Animal Society.
Speaker 8: And the Ellen de Generous is tight into all that.
Speaker 3: But it's all process.
Speaker 5: It's all process. And again it's all it's all spook ship.
Speaker 4: So you see this dude right here, he worked, He
Speaker 4: worked directly for Kissinger's right hand man as an assistant.
Speaker 5: This is J J.
Speaker 4: Brian party partying at four am with Amanda Bines, you know,
Speaker 4: his best friend. This is this is what I you know,
Speaker 4: I'm sure Dan Schneider had his rolling her downfall, but J.
Speaker 8: Know their names did? I mean she was passed around?
Speaker 5: Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: Here's the deal called I'm I'm of the mindset that
Speaker 4: Amanda Bindes is currently the leader of that process.
Speaker 8: Because he supposedly died.
Speaker 5: Right what he.
Speaker 4: Supposedly That she's running a salon sounds very j Sebring
Speaker 4: like if you ask me, I mean it's the same.
Speaker 3: It's his name stuff a spokesperson for O Zimpic right now.
Speaker 8: You get that, you get that yesterday.
Speaker 4: So that that dude literally Brian. Yeah, Brian's band was
Speaker 4: called the lobbyancause their song was Charles Manson.
Speaker 5: Is Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: And before he's doing this, he gets picked up in
Speaker 4: Libya as being doing spook stuff which he was posing
Speaker 4: as an art student. And then he before that he
Speaker 4: was working for Mormon by the way, uh from Canab, Utah.
Speaker 5: By the way.
Speaker 4: These are the connections why I think possibly why they're
Speaker 4: in Canab today because Kissinger's right hand man, you know,
Speaker 4: Bob Cocaine Evans boyfriend, Henry Kissinger, and his right hand
Speaker 4: man Brince Gocroft, US Air Force Major General n s
Speaker 4: a or national security advisor to three different presidents uh Nixon, Ford, Reagan.
Speaker 4: And she was he was the Kissinger's assistant there in
Speaker 4: the Nixon situation. So again this is this is the
Speaker 4: national security state. And then we see his assistant starting
Speaker 4: the Neo process cult and that's attong the nose right
Speaker 4: in the Hollywood element, we see the Burke Stodger element
Speaker 4: there with with Amanda Binds.
Speaker 8: Weren't you saying that when we showed the pictures of
Speaker 8: that Twin Twin Ray cult guy, you thought he looked
Speaker 8: suspiciously like so he dies the year that cult becomes
Speaker 8: a thing.
Speaker 4: I've I've been communicating with all back and forth on
Speaker 4: that same subject, because she was a little bit skeptical
Speaker 4: at first, but then she started looking at some of
Speaker 4: his photos. The dude, first of all, he's like a
Speaker 4: chameleon in the first place. Everybody you look at him,
Speaker 4: he's a little bit different. I'm convinced, dude, that dude
Speaker 4: in that twin Raised cult is JJ Brian.
Speaker 5: He faked his death. Dude. First of all, he's from Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 5: He's already got Oregon connects.
Speaker 8: I looked into it a little bit more after you
Speaker 8: said that, because you just you're not someone to just
Speaker 8: pull something out of your ass like that.
Speaker 5: I'm not traditionally or I appreciate you noticing.
Speaker 8: I think there's something to it. For sure, we'll have
Speaker 8: to find.
Speaker 4: That it's financed by scientology, to these twin rais are
Speaker 4: all financed. So are you familiar with read slacking? Yeah,
Speaker 4: we talked about him in that No, I'm my my
Speaker 4: apologies or Austin are you are you familiar with read slack?
Speaker 4: And then early internet engine you're pioneer fellow. We did
Speaker 4: a lot of fraud stuff with a couple of other
Speaker 4: fellows scientific type. Yeah, kind of almost an extension of interesting. Okay,
Speaker 4: go ahead. He's in the mix with the early search engines.
Speaker 4: So as along with along with Glenne Maxwell's sister and
Speaker 4: her husband who's the son of Jack Parson's number two
Speaker 4: Molina from his suicide squad. So they're in the early
Speaker 4: machinations of these early search engines read Slackens there in
Speaker 4: these scientific scientologists are all over the early machinations of
Speaker 4: the interwebs, especially you know, you know, in anything blocking anything.
Speaker 4: Scientologies developed that because they want to block about you know,
Speaker 4: you learn about Xenu or el Ron or some ship,
Speaker 4: and then also developed the search engines stuffs with folks
Speaker 4: like Red Slacken. Well, his two associates never went to prison,
Speaker 4: they went to Oregon and later would finance this this
Speaker 4: twin Race cult where this JJ Brian got looks exactly
Speaker 4: like the fucking cult leader.
Speaker 2: You ask me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the timing is it just it lends everything out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: JJ Brian's death is like, oh, he's thirty eight and
Speaker 4: he just died with no cause of death.
Speaker 5: He has no funeral.
Speaker 4: His grave side is a placard, a temporary paper placter
Speaker 4: to a memorial garden.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 8: Now he's bang in this porn star chick kutuck and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and his Yeah, his assistant came from the valley
Speaker 4: there in Los Angeles. Thenment I found out she gave
Speaker 4: him the valley just for general logan, my god, that
Speaker 4: she did porn.
Speaker 8: That became the theme of the show.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's the dead eyes, you know, the it's the
Speaker 4: it's the you know, the valley address, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, it's the dead, the dead
Speaker 4: stare in the eyes.
Speaker 5: I'm like, it's the general appearance. If she looks like
Speaker 5: a whore, you know she did.
Speaker 7: Oh my god.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, also, since we're talking about
Speaker 9: kind of the end of the movie about like the
Speaker 9: Laurel encampment.
Speaker 4: Where yeah, yeah, I was trying to find I got
Speaker 4: the sidetracked on the turgy, but please where on the
Speaker 4: metal stuff?
Speaker 5: As I try to find that clip, I.
Speaker 3: Wanted to say before it escaped me that it reminded
Speaker 3: when we see the guy like at the end of
Speaker 3: the movie and Joaquin's like talking to him or whatever.
Speaker 3: It reminded me of like one flew over the Cuckoo's Nest,
Speaker 3: where you just kind of become part of it.
Speaker 9: There is no gaping, there is no leaving that they
Speaker 9: you're fully like, you're committed at that point.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, That's what Owen Wilson says
Speaker 4: to him, right, because he's like, hey man, that can
Speaker 4: help you out.
Speaker 5: He's like, no, you can't help me out. In fact,
Speaker 5: you're gonna get yourself in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: Trying to help me out, because Awhen Wilson initially wanted
Speaker 4: to go see what his wife and daughter were doing
Speaker 4: because he faked his death. They thought he was dead.
Speaker 4: And remember she comes to see Doc later. So everyone
Speaker 4: was coming at different angles and times to come see
Speaker 4: Doc to help solve some mysteries, and they all just
Speaker 4: happen to coincide, and you know, and you know kind
Speaker 4: of right.
Speaker 7: It was that conversation where where coy Owen Owen Wilson's character,
Speaker 7: right he he He essentially asked the question to to
Speaker 7: Joaquin Phoenix, right, suppose your mom was on smack, right,
Speaker 7: just in terms of the US. He's explaining the current situation.
Speaker 5: We're it's a great way to explain it. Please continue. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's a good scene.
Speaker 7: And wouldn't you try to help her? You know, I
Speaker 7: just thought it was so funny because Doc was like,
Speaker 7: are you saying that the US is somebody's mom? And
Speaker 7: that she's strung out on the heroin basically, and and then.
Speaker 4: But that's he's trying to explain because you know, because
Speaker 4: again he's trying to explain how he got stuck in
Speaker 4: that mess, right.
Speaker 7: Exactly, because he says, man, I don't belong here man,
Speaker 7: like he legitimately like he says that to him when
Speaker 7: he's saying that, Oh so, the the members of vigil
Speaker 7: in California, whoever you're working for, they didn't buy that
Speaker 7: narrative that you just spun to me in terms of
Speaker 7: he says, like after he he questions, are you saying
Speaker 7: that the US is somebody's mom was strung out on
Speaker 7: smack that that.
Speaker 4: That face aggravated, right, Because he's not getting it right exactly,
Speaker 4: he says, Phoenix, he's trying to wrap his brain hole
Speaker 4: around his elephant. He's like, see, you work for village
Speaker 4: in California, working for the fans over here. You're a
Speaker 4: dead saxophone player over here. He's then he finds out
Speaker 4: he gets linked in there with Shastafe hepwro So Phoenix
Speaker 4: is like, I don't know what's going on man.
Speaker 7: Exactly, And he's saying and he brings up Vietnam, right
Speaker 7: in this context in terms of like the mother strung
Speaker 7: out on heroin, and he says, sending people off to
Speaker 7: die in the jungles for no reason. Something is wrong
Speaker 7: and suicidal about that that she just can't stop. That
Speaker 7: was something that that like that just stuck with me
Speaker 7: for a moment, because as soon as Doc tries to
Speaker 7: make sense of it, you know, as you mentioned, he
Speaker 7: gets he gets a little frustrated, and he tries to
Speaker 7: explain to him, hey, man, like I don't belong here.
Speaker 7: And then he goes on to say after after Doc
Speaker 7: asks him, like who who like sets you up with
Speaker 7: this organization, you know, Visil in California, if you to
Speaker 7: work for them, and and uh who set you up
Speaker 7: with these people type of thing? And and uh And
Speaker 7: that is when he kind of goes into this this
Speaker 7: uh uh sort of personal monologue about when he first
Speaker 7: started snitching, right, and he talks about how how basically, uh,
Speaker 7: he realized in that moment when he first started snitching,
Speaker 7: how how people be they they asked all of these
Speaker 7: various questions that they already knew the answers to, and
Speaker 7: it was only because they wanted to hear the answer
Speaker 7: outside of their own head.
Speaker 4: Right, that's essentially right, because you have this sole trippy
Speaker 4: thing of what's going on in his head.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 5: I think that's a really interesting scene.
Speaker 7: Especially because the last thing that he says to him
Speaker 7: is he essentially says, you better find fat Shasta fe right,
Speaker 7: and then he repeaced that I believe as well. And
Speaker 7: and uh, especially just understanding that she of course had
Speaker 7: had her and uh, Mickey Wolfman, right, had gone missing
Speaker 7: there after boarding the the Golden Fang.
Speaker 4: And you brought that up because I actually have I
Speaker 4: have two clips for us to describe exactly that.
Speaker 5: The three hour tour. Man, this is great because this
Speaker 5: is great with them messing, but there are two characters
Speaker 5: mess with.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: It was perfect.
Speaker 2: Listen, we she's gone, Academy, She's gone, she's gone.
Speaker 5: She's out there.
Speaker 6: Man, it looked like the window. What tried to open
Speaker 6: the door.
Speaker 13: I went, she's gone, she's gone.
Speaker 2: She's out there, man, she's out there.
Speaker 5: She's out there, but she's out there.
Speaker 2: Well, it just disappeared, just like a boyfriend.
Speaker 16: Mickey and I thought, maybe you think there was a connection,
Speaker 16: maybe they took off together. Yeah, she's gone, man, baby,
Speaker 16: baby gone.
Speaker 2: She disappeared. She went on groovy on us that try
Speaker 2: to be fucking professional.
Speaker 3: I just just pretend to be professional.
Speaker 2: She's gone, She's gone.
Speaker 5: It's so exciting about it. Real, that's a great scene
Speaker 5: right there.
Speaker 7: Mm hmmm. So you're telling you, man, there's something special
Speaker 7: about the dynamic. But between all three of those characters, specifically, right,
Speaker 7: Josh Brawlin, Benisio and and Joaquin.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of that.
Speaker 7: But I definitely feel like every time they have a
Speaker 7: direct sort of just anytime they engaged directly with each other,
Speaker 7: it seems like it's in a very questionable moment for
Speaker 7: the audience to interpret for themselves, you know. And and
Speaker 7: that's it's just interesting to me, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: So in regards to where they went, because she's gone, right,
Speaker 4: we find out from Benicio del Toro, one of Phoenix's handlers,
Speaker 4: if you will, there this marine time lawyer who keeps
Speaker 4: coming in with some you know, save his ass and
Speaker 4: you know, give him some key details that you know
Speaker 4: that that's when he started learning about this Hollywood connection
Speaker 4: with the Berks Doodgers. So what were your all thoughts,
Speaker 4: Colby team peaching, you know, a pair there, if you will.
Speaker 4: What are you all thoughts in the Hollywood connection and this?
Speaker 4: You know, obviously you all have gone deep in Laurel
Speaker 4: Canyon stuff as well, And you know one name that
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily get named, and you know, I'll just give
Speaker 4: you a spoilert where.
Speaker 5: My brain holds at.
Speaker 4: Marlon Brando doesn't often get described in matters with the
Speaker 4: Manson narratives, but he was part of that whole crew.
Speaker 4: And he also doesn't get described a lot in Laurel
Speaker 4: Canyon narratives. He kind of skirts around these things. But
Speaker 4: I think a large part the guy we're seeing here
Speaker 4: Bert Stodger is Marlon Brando. That's my opinion based on
Speaker 4: a lot of character details. But what were your all
Speaker 4: stots with some of these Laurel Canyon Hollywood aspects?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I hadn't put that one together in particular, but that's
Speaker 8: a good one. I would say, just the general co
Speaker 8: intel pro they're trying to recruit him in the FBI office,
Speaker 8: kind of like tongue in cheek.
Speaker 5: And then I really do Book of Mormon, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I really.
Speaker 8: Do think Owen Wilson's character was supposed to be in
Speaker 8: the Wrecking Crew. I just think there's too many solid
Speaker 8: hints for that.
Speaker 5: I like it, and run by process in Phil Spector.
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 3: Met his wife while he was taking a big diarrhea
Speaker 3: ship and she was.
Speaker 8: That was a very romantic description yet hard on.
Speaker 4: We got Burks, I know, right, that was kind of
Speaker 4: I mean the first ting I watched, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's a bit, that's a bit disturbing you kind of
Speaker 4: just forward.
Speaker 5: We got Burke's Dodgers owns the Golden Thing ship. But
Speaker 5: then he learns that Burke's Dodger runs Chris, Uh, what's
Speaker 5: Chris Kylidon? Right?
Speaker 4: Chris Kyladon is the name of the Looney the Looney
Speaker 4: bind up in Oha. Now that's interesting. There's a couple
Speaker 4: of Looney binds in OHI I think that could be
Speaker 4: referencing to, not the least of which possibly not at
Speaker 4: the Slon Institute.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 5: But what are your what was your all take on
Speaker 5: the the actual actor here?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: If you weren't thinking of Marlon Brandon before, who did
Speaker 4: you have in mind as far as the character representation?
Speaker 8: Nobody in particular. I kind of thought it was an amalgamation.
Speaker 8: But when you when you describe brand though, kind of
Speaker 8: skirting in the Dave McGowan narrative and all that. I'd
Speaker 8: never even thought of that, but yeah, he's right in
Speaker 8: the middle of all of that ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, McGowan references him and weird scenes inside the canyon,
Speaker 4: but he just doesn't get a lot of press and
Speaker 4: a lot of other and a lot of other takes
Speaker 4: of that scene.
Speaker 8: But his reference even is very minimal compared to like
Speaker 8: the rat all those guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, more more focused on like the Peter Sellers of
Speaker 4: that than uh. Well, Nicholson and Branda were at the hip,
Speaker 4: so they share the same driveway. So if you go
Speaker 4: to the north part of Laurel Kenny, you had I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: the south part of Little Kenny had mohond North part
Speaker 4: of Little Kenny, ha mohand drive. Austin could correct me
Speaker 4: home my Los Angeles geographical references are Rome. But it's
Speaker 4: at one end of the Laurel Kenny you got Moholland Drive.
Speaker 4: Right off that corner you had living Alice Huxley, and
Speaker 4: almost right next door was Jack Nicholson and Marland Brando
Speaker 4: and they shared a driveway.
Speaker 3: Was it Warren Beatty somewhere in there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Warren Baty, Yeah, not far off that mix. But
Speaker 4: and also of note when Philip van At or the
Speaker 4: LAPD detective, who again is much I think a character
Speaker 4: basis in The Big Foot Bejornson character of Brolin when
Speaker 4: he arrested Polanski had this shut toow more month for
Speaker 4: that rape of that thirteen year old in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 4: You know that rap pa Kurt on Nicholson's couch, and
Speaker 4: it's not often described that cocaine Bob Evans came over
Speaker 4: to help clean up the show, but where Brando was
Speaker 4: in the mix is often not describing Brando.
Speaker 5: There's like four or three or four folks that got
Speaker 5: murdered in that.
Speaker 4: Home, and as soon as Brando died, Nicholson bought the
Speaker 4: property and destroyed the home.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I was under the impression that that
Speaker 7: was the reason basically that Nicholson had purchased the property itself.
Speaker 7: And then also you have all of this context of
Speaker 7: Marlon Brando's strange sexual activity where he's just like, you know,
Speaker 7: having sex with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you ain't kidding. So he's got like thirteen kids.
Speaker 4: Nicholson's got about thirteen kids. I mean Brando, dude, one
Speaker 4: of Brando's kids and was Christian got kidnapped by a
Speaker 4: bunch of hippies and hit down in Mexico. Brando hired
Speaker 4: literally a private detective with a hook for a hand.
Speaker 4: I'm not making that ship out. Another one of his son's,
Speaker 4: Nico Brande, was best friends with Michael Jackson. There's Brando
Speaker 4: isn't very.
Speaker 7: Michael Jackson. That is too funny, especially considering the security
Speaker 7: guard that was involved with Ditty there that that obviously
Speaker 7: was was allegedly the one to uh, you know, at
Speaker 7: least be present during Michael Jackson's supposed to death right
Speaker 7: and uh and and that's very hilarious as far as
Speaker 7: the Diddy connection there and and and how much they
Speaker 7: were seemingly and the the underground tunnel grotto like that
Speaker 7: that was happening there with with Ditty as well, which
Speaker 7: again it's like, why are these underground tunnel systems coming
Speaker 7: up so very often in terms of these networks, especially
Speaker 7: in their modern form, like Epstein had something similar, which
Speaker 7: is very interesting.
Speaker 4: And how about how about p Diddy and Hugh Haffner
Speaker 4: over there in the Playboy mansion, you know, they got
Speaker 4: tunnels all through there. Again, there's a lot of tunnels
Speaker 4: documented in the Weird Scenes book there in the older.
Speaker 5: Exactly that that.
Speaker 7: Are connecting those very properties that that uh and and
Speaker 7: one of them was was what was the name of
Speaker 7: of that property that uh uh, the guitarists was was
Speaker 7: living in for a time for some of the cabin Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: the log cabin.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then you had the double.
Speaker 5: That's not just some guitarist. So that's Frank exactly.
Speaker 4: He's an what I meant it does not get often
Speaker 4: gets not sold because like he's he's responsible for acts
Speaker 4: like Alice Cooper.
Speaker 5: I mean, so much of his responsible for there.
Speaker 4: You got to say, relative to the Manson situation, you
Speaker 4: have a lot of crossovers with Captain fuck which was
Speaker 4: a sidekick, and Captain bee Feart, which his music was
Speaker 4: produced by the Colombo crime family.
Speaker 8: He used to fucking like lock his musicians up and sleep,
Speaker 8: deprive and starve them.
Speaker 3: I didn't know about that, he told me, and I actually,
Speaker 3: that's weird.
Speaker 7: I've never heard of of of the bf Art connection here.
Speaker 5: Yes, Captain Captain, Yes, I think he was underlying rapid,
Speaker 5: didn't he.
Speaker 7: So he was up there in in like Palmdale where
Speaker 7: the all the defense contractors are. Dude, I moved out
Speaker 7: here just like in twenty seventeen, trying to make like
Speaker 7: the sort of uh you know, social, socioeconomical, uh, kind
Speaker 7: of like transition from Northwest Arkansas, which was, uh, you
Speaker 7: know that's different.
Speaker 5: That's a whole eye opening experience from there from what hell.
Speaker 7: Yeah, honestly, I'm grateful just for the the uh, the
Speaker 7: perspective gained more than anything. Although I will say there
Speaker 7: there are wonderful things about everywhere you live. But you know, essentially,
Speaker 7: I will say it was I think it was very
Speaker 7: important for me personally in terms of my own philosophy
Speaker 7: on life in general.
Speaker 5: But I did have to. I was forced to move
Speaker 5: to the High Desert.
Speaker 7: And so that area Lancaster is really near Palmdale, very
Speaker 7: close by. And and essentially you're surrounded by defense contractors
Speaker 7: right Locking, Locking, Martin, Boeing, raytheon. Every everything is represented there.
Speaker 7: And uh, and there's signs everywhere like cancerous chemicals are
Speaker 7: are are are present right in in just the pool,
Speaker 7: right the public pool or whatever, and and they're they're
Speaker 7: running all these experiments. You hear like these sonic booms
Speaker 7: that shake your apartment occasionally like that was the experience.
Speaker 7: I remember. I went out on my run one day.
Speaker 7: I was just like going for a job, and I
Speaker 7: didn't hear anything until a stealth bomber was legitimately flying
Speaker 7: right over me right and then it was just like
Speaker 7: a deafening sound, and it like blew my mind just considering.
Speaker 5: Sometimes, sir, that's the last noise some folks here, That's
Speaker 5: what I thought.
Speaker 7: I thought, imagine being in a conflict zone, an active
Speaker 7: war zone, and this is the last experience you have.
Speaker 7: Like that was my instant thought. And uh, and it
Speaker 7: gave me a little bit of an additional perspective in
Speaker 7: terms of like once again, just like not ever considering
Speaker 7: you know, the the sort of on the ground effective
Speaker 7: consequence playing out and how much it truly is just
Speaker 7: the most dystopian vision you could imagine seeing and and
Speaker 7: uh and once you witness it yourself, it's a little
Speaker 7: bit harder to deny that fact, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: And and and in an intelligence community like like Frank
Speaker 7: Zappa grew up in with his father so much, you know,
Speaker 7: I mean, like the connections in his family.
Speaker 4: His wife, Gail Slewman, was in kindergarten class with Jim
Speaker 4: Morrison of him a ser So you see these deeper
Speaker 4: connections throughout.
Speaker 5: All and Elliott Baby, oh my god.
Speaker 7: Well she's definitely, uh, such a major part inside that
Speaker 7: that sort of the scenes inside the canyon in a way.
Speaker 4: But uh, and and a major figure in the process
Speaker 4: movement as well, like her associate John John Phillips.
Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, go ahead, No, she's just she's a.
Speaker 3: Big witch and physically.
Speaker 4: Otherwise absolutely, And her sister has connections to folks like
Speaker 4: out in the Santa Sam Colt has documented the Maury
Speaker 4: Terry Files, and because you know the councle sister there,
Speaker 4: she was also a singer. And again Mama Cass and
Speaker 4: John Phillips are documented financing I believe it's called financiers
Speaker 4: of the process activity in Los Angeles, and you see
Speaker 4: John Phillips being deeply indrawed involved in the cocaine trade
Speaker 4: well much like his pal Cocaine Bob Evans, both getting
Speaker 4: busted for cocaine trafficking. So we see that represented here
Speaker 4: with this this Hollywood actor Bert Burke Stodger.
Speaker 5: We see them He's got the Golden fangship.
Speaker 4: They're going to Polynesia, just saying Marlon Branda has got
Speaker 4: a Polynesian island to date, owns a Polynesian island himself
Speaker 4: and his trust for his family. In fact, that one
Speaker 4: fellow that got murdered by his son in his house
Speaker 4: there off of Moholland driving Little Canyon was a member
Speaker 4: of the Polynesian French Polynesian royal family. So uh, a
Speaker 4: lot of weird stuff there. But we see them being
Speaker 4: involved in the drug trafficking and this larger enterprise of
Speaker 4: hood ratchet activity of this this cult network and tyranny,
Speaker 4: if you will. But you know, it's often I think
Speaker 4: one thing I think folks don't often consider, and I
Speaker 4: think it's one thing that easily, you know, kind of dismisses. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise is involved in spook stuff. Were Yeah, Marlon
Speaker 4: Brando is importing cocaine, you know what I mean? Or yeah,
Speaker 4: Garth Brooks is a serial killer.
Speaker 5: But you know what, sometimes I think these things are
Speaker 5: reasonable conclusions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that. I mean, just knowing the strange
Speaker 7: connections there between Mama Casts and Terry Melcher and John
Speaker 7: Phillips and Abigail.
Speaker 5: Folger and they're all like, what was it? It was
Speaker 5: it MDA.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to remember now the substance that allegedly there
Speaker 7: was this huge Yeah, there was a huge falling out
Speaker 7: allegedly and one of the key the key distributors that
Speaker 7: had an intelligence background that was providing the MDA to
Speaker 7: Abigail Folger and the Mama Cast network through her house
Speaker 7: where a lot of this was happening. Apparently, go ahead,
Speaker 7: No was his name was Puck?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I believe that was the name.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And we see here then and when he when he when? When?
Speaker 7: When Doc goes to that crash pad for the spooks
Speaker 7: in in uh to Panga Canyon, the first thing he
Speaker 7: sees is is a skinhead with a with a swastika
Speaker 7: on his jean jacket, right, Like, isn't that.
Speaker 5: This guy there too? If you see him in the background,
Speaker 5: he's closing the door there, y is always there.
Speaker 7: And by the way, didn't you recognize the sort of uh,
Speaker 7: the final supper right, the Lord that was essentially taking
Speaker 7: place in a way like, yes, the symbology you have
Speaker 7: the symbolic nature of that.
Speaker 5: Scene with eating pizza.
Speaker 7: Yes, you consider the idea of what we talked about
Speaker 7: privately before the show started about how Paul Thomas Anderson,
Speaker 7: the director himself. Uh then then went on to to, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, obviously, uh just creating and produce the and
Speaker 7: and direct the film known as a as a Licorice Pizza, right,
Speaker 7: and and that to me it seemed like something it's
Speaker 7: very creepy in terms of at least the pedophilic symbology.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, I think, uh, the plotline
Speaker 7: of that film is, like I mentioned, very it makes
Speaker 7: you very uncomfortable, you know what I mean. It seems
Speaker 7: as if it's it's like, uh, in a way, it's
Speaker 7: sort of like a pedophile's magnum opis. It reminded me
Speaker 7: of Leon the professional and certain aspects of it, right,
Speaker 7: which you remember that strange Natalie Portman film with that
Speaker 7: hit Man.
Speaker 5: So so it feels like the director was a straight
Speaker 5: up pedophile.
Speaker 4: It's almost as creepy as the time Brookes Shields played
Speaker 4: a ten year old prostitut in Hollywood film and they
Speaker 4: put her in Playboy Naked as a ten year old
Speaker 4: that really had almost Yeah, that happened.
Speaker 5: That's the real thing.
Speaker 3: She was in the Sugar and Spice edition.
Speaker 5: It was in their French director who did these things.
Speaker 5: So my god, but I like, what does that sir?
Speaker 5: I think his n I think his name is bull
Speaker 5: Sheet Bulls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes ten year old.
Speaker 4: So we're seeing the machinations of all this whole network
Speaker 4: of this cult, these Nazis, the and Yah Queen Phoenix's
Speaker 4: character is starting to understand it when he visits the
Speaker 4: Booby Hatch that Japonica Fenway got sent to, you know,
Speaker 4: the powerful attorney their daughter, who gave him his first
Speaker 4: job to find her, you know, a couple of years prior.
Speaker 4: We see all that kind of coalescing here towards the
Speaker 4: end of the film in the Chris Kalodon, which is
Speaker 4: this Loune the Booby Hatch up in Ohai, the Looney Bend,
Speaker 4: and it's run by Book Burke's Dodger where they literally
Speaker 4: have a theater in this clip just previous to the scene,
Speaker 4: they have a theater that plays twenty four to seven
Speaker 4: Burke's Dodger films.
Speaker 5: How is that not some sort of hypnotic programming Exactly.
Speaker 5: You've to see the doctor.
Speaker 4: He walks into the theater and he's immediately reciting the
Speaker 4: line from the film It's and it says, you get
Speaker 4: out of here comedy or whatever that is.
Speaker 7: Right, God, I'm gonna have to rewatch the the because
Speaker 7: I only got about halfway again on my rewatch, so
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to watch the rest of it tonight.
Speaker 4: Honestly, y'all remember that scene, He's like Alexander Graham Bell
Speaker 4: was an American. He invented this telephone, You comedy bastard. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: So it is that whole red scare thing, and again
Speaker 4: that the Burke's Dodgers. As you know, Benicio del Tora
Speaker 4: explains in one scene, he's trying to get back in
Speaker 4: the good graces of Hollywood.
Speaker 5: And the American government.
Speaker 4: That's why he's financing this shit because he got Allston
Speaker 4: from being a comedy will So did so did Marlon Brando.
Speaker 5: You know who got Marlon Brando back in Hollywood? Old cocaine.
Speaker 5: Bob Evans.
Speaker 3: Interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 5: So we see that. We see that parallel too.
Speaker 4: But I do like this scene because they're also going
Speaker 4: to say, like, oh, pay no attention to the man
Speaker 4: with the like I was saying with the Keno. These
Speaker 4: are not the sating thats you're looking for, Jedi mind
Speaker 4: trick jacquein Phoenix. That is not a man with a
Speaker 4: Nazi tattoo on his face. Yeah, he's an ancient Hindu symbol, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: why not turn around and sell them a program to
Speaker 4: help kick There's a whole effect too.
Speaker 17: As much revenue coming and going, American life was something
Speaker 17: to be escaped from the cartel could always be sure
Speaker 17: of a bottomless pool of new customers.
Speaker 7: I love on Wilson's face in this.
Speaker 5: He freaks out. He's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 8: Fuck?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're Shasta face high right, the.
Speaker 7: La on Buck Beaverton, right, isn't that yeah, old Buck
Speaker 7: Beaverton crazy?
Speaker 5: Hm.
Speaker 7: This reminds me a son of Sam.
Speaker 5: I'm honestly right, very you know, kind of ritualistic aspects to.
Speaker 6: All this Thris face, No, it isn't.
Speaker 2: That's an ancient Hindu symbol. It brings good fortune, luck
Speaker 2: and well being. What do you mean? No, that look
Speaker 2: like a swaster. I mean he isn't a regular employee
Speaker 2: at the institute. Perhaps you should pay no attention.
Speaker 7: To that man.
Speaker 5: It's all twisted up too. Don He's like, oh, no
Speaker 5: attention to that man.
Speaker 4: So we see again, like everything's kind of coalescing in
Speaker 4: there's old cocaine Bob and Henry Kissinger. You know JJ,
Speaker 4: Brian's boss best My god.
Speaker 8: Man, Hey, JJ, have you ever seen that Comedy Central
Speaker 8: cartoon Kid Notorious? I love that cartoon, So you have
Speaker 8: seen it? Every time you mentioned cocaine by I want
Speaker 8: to ask if you know about it?
Speaker 4: So there he got the cocaine cocaine induced idea to
Speaker 4: make a cartoon about his life, literally his true life,
Speaker 4: according to him. So his next door neighbors Slash from
Speaker 4: Guns n' Roses is a star in it. I think
Speaker 4: he's got a talking cat, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: He's a he's got a Butler situation.
Speaker 5: It's real weird, but it's right. It's it's it gets
Speaker 5: you right in the it.
Speaker 4: It paints a great picture inside the cocaine field mind
Speaker 4: of old Bob Robert Evans here, who by the way,
Speaker 4: hails from Westchester County, New York.
Speaker 5: It's a real dent of iniquity there. Wow, Which one
Speaker 5: is Bob the shirtless bastard?
Speaker 4: I don't want I don't know what happened before after
Speaker 4: this picture, but that's the man who brings us the
Speaker 4: national security state. Henry Kissinger, whose right hand man Brince
Speaker 4: Gocroft would then produce one of these new process colts
Speaker 4: there with JJ Bryan.
Speaker 7: Telling you, man, it's if you know just how well
Speaker 7: connected the Henry Kissinger's of the world truly are, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. It's just like I remember whenever
Speaker 7: I covered I believe it was the Pilgrim Society and
Speaker 7: the Anglo American establishment reminds me, honestly of just like, uh,
Speaker 7: they need an Anglo white man on the strip, right essentially,
Speaker 7: you know, That's what it reminded me of. But but yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean, what are what are the sort of loyalties
Speaker 7: and affiliations for the fraternal organizations that they belonged to.
Speaker 7: I mean, you see the Henry Kissingers of the world
Speaker 7: and they're members of of the these.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And if the Pilgrim Society stund started by US Center
Speaker 5: from New York, Chauncey Depew a hereditary member of the
Speaker 5: Society of the Cincinnati. But please continue, yes.
Speaker 7: Which that's another reason why, because like when I did
Speaker 7: the Pilgrim Society episode, I consistently continued to obviously come
Speaker 7: up against this this real ring the Society of the
Speaker 7: Cincinnati that I couldn't seem to uh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 7: couldn't seem to just find my way just it was
Speaker 7: very interesting. It consistently came up and again Knights of
Speaker 7: Malta member Alexander Haig, who was very much involved with
Speaker 7: Henry Kissinger as well.
Speaker 4: And I think that yeah, so, I think what you're
Speaker 4: describing is what I describe as the anti liberty faction
Speaker 4: of the Society of the Cincinnati's feuding factions, and they
Speaker 4: manifested very incapacities.
Speaker 5: But the British invasion is a good way to put it.
Speaker 5: With the Pilgrim Society.
Speaker 4: Would you believe a founding member of the Processed Church
Speaker 4: is the daughter of a hereditary member of the Society
Speaker 4: of Cincinnati out of the South Carolina chapter. His name
Speaker 4: is Satan Drakeon Astor Drayton. His first cousin, His first
Speaker 4: cousin was the financier of the Church of Satan in
Speaker 4: the benefactor to Anton LEVAYU.
Speaker 7: Wait wait, wait, what was this guy's name? His name
Speaker 7: was Satan for real?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well his name was John Astor Drayton. He's a
Speaker 4: He's a Gatston Drayton, Astro Fellaws.
Speaker 7: So the ass he's an ast Yeah, who's the Astor
Speaker 7: that was in the hundred and seven Prominent Names in
Speaker 7: Epstein's Black Book. It was one of they were a
Speaker 7: Pilgrim Siety member. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Keep and I'm not sure on that one.
Speaker 7: Dude, It's fascinating, but go ahead keep talking, because well.
Speaker 4: His cousin Astor was married to this fellow named Boovier.
Speaker 4: He was the heir to the Vicars gun manufacturing company
Speaker 4: who financed LaVey's hero, which was his fellow by the
Speaker 4: name of Basil Zarhoff who was this international gun trafficker,
Speaker 4: and say, and uh, you know, cult fucker. So he
Speaker 4: was in competition. Some folks claim he was the most
Speaker 4: wicked man in the world, not Crowley. So the folks
Speaker 4: that financed him was this Vicker's fortune, the heir to
Speaker 4: that was the who by by the Oners. He calls
Speaker 4: it an autobiography. It's written by his second wife, Blanche Barton.
Speaker 4: But LaVey's autobiography says that's who financed and was an
Speaker 4: You remember, was this boovi Ar Fellaw who was the
Speaker 4: heir to that Vickers company. And Levey's says himself numerous
Speaker 4: times how he venerates his Basil zar Haf fella.
Speaker 5: So again that was bad. That's who financed. Basles are off.
Speaker 4: So Bouvier's wife is asked, this Aster lady whose first
Speaker 4: cousin's Astor with Satan Astor Drayton and Satan Aster. Drayton's
Speaker 4: daughter married Timothy Wiley. Timothy Wiley's the Fozzy the Bear
Speaker 4: guy up here, I think, because who Timothy Wiley is.
Speaker 4: That's Robert that's up at the Grimston. That's Timothy Wiley's
Speaker 4: best friend up at to Grimston.
Speaker 3: Ny have you watched Archive eighty one on Netflix.
Speaker 5: I've never heard of it, ma'am.
Speaker 9: Well, we should cover it for Halloween because a lot
Speaker 9: of these names you're mentioning, they used those names in
Speaker 9: Archive eighty one. They even use like the apartment that.
Speaker 3: They moved into is called the Vickers and that like
Speaker 3: a lot of the characters their names are like the names.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And they have this big DNA collection thing going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have like an ancestry DNA. Come on, you
Speaker 3: need to watch it. I may Colby watch it. It's incredible,
Speaker 3: it's good.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the recommendation that will check it out. As
Speaker 4: I mentioned, man, I'm gonna be doing every film review
Speaker 4: in Halloween or month of October's horror Halloween focused.
Speaker 5: So we'll be all, I have that one to the
Speaker 5: list because.
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot. I don't do a lot
Speaker 4: of horror and Halloween stuff. So, oh, you'll like to
Speaker 4: I appreciate your recommendation on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, Austin, you would probably dig it to our
Speaker 3: chive eighty one.
Speaker 7: Unless I'll check it out for sure, because I'm definitely
Speaker 7: always interested to see if there's some sort of value
Speaker 7: in modern Hollywood these days.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a good one sometimes, right, sometimes a
Speaker 3: good one.
Speaker 7: By the way, it was the name, and I probably
Speaker 7: should jet within the next fifteen minutes, just so you
Speaker 7: guys know.
Speaker 4: No, that's perfect, I got I got two more clips.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, let's bring this in for
Speaker 4: landing because I got at we got is.
Speaker 7: Willing if you're if you're ever interested, do a follow
Speaker 7: up on a part two or something, because there's still plenty.
Speaker 7: But but uh, anytime, I definitely think that uh one.
Speaker 7: Oh and by the way, I just pulled it up.
Speaker 7: It was the so it was asked, so it was Waldorf,
Speaker 7: William Waldorf Astor the third, the fourth, Viscount Astor is
Speaker 7: apparently who was on the the specifically on the Epstein list,
Speaker 7: which I found very interesting.
Speaker 8: But the air of the Waldorf school guy, uh, that's.
Speaker 7: What the claim is here in terms of of his background,
Speaker 7: which not at all. Is that surprising, honestly.
Speaker 8: And like one other guy too was in that. He's
Speaker 8: shady as fucked too. And I always thought the Waldorf
Speaker 8: schools system was like pretty cool. But he got a
Speaker 8: wonder Now.
Speaker 9: That's a descendant from the Astors, and I can't remember
Speaker 9: who it is now, but they changed their last name.
Speaker 4: Speaking a lady that was the wife of the financier
Speaker 4: for the Church of Satan. She's the daughter of John
Speaker 4: Jacob Astor, the fourth from the Titanic.
Speaker 5: I saw it in the check.
Speaker 4: I gonn that too, yeah, which is where story Oregon
Speaker 4: is named after where the goonies are from.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, a story of really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the or John Ticcobash of the fourth and
Speaker 4: is his fur trading corporation.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, dude, is there nothing sacred?
Speaker 4: They all know each other, they all know each other,
Speaker 4: but in this and this scene is we're getting to
Speaker 4: a close here. I thank you, thank you all for
Speaker 4: joining them here to get a little g C. D.
Speaker 4: In the folks of the interwebs. This is possibly my
Speaker 4: favorite scene. But we see the whole Golden Fang thing
Speaker 4: getting mess. They're kind of poking each other around the
Speaker 4: matters of the Golden Fang and some very capacities. But
Speaker 4: we uh see Browin kind of really starting to lose
Speaker 4: a ship here.
Speaker 5: You know, he.
Speaker 2: Case tuk quite as good as my mother's. But what
Speaker 2: I really know, respect.
Speaker 5: Oh, it was a short and clip, but.
Speaker 4: I thought he had I thought he had the little
Speaker 4: note card game he played there, because's when he plays
Speaker 4: the note card and he finds Puck Beaverton card and
Speaker 4: he sets him up for the shootout with Puck Beaverton.
Speaker 4: But he's not done messing with old Doc there, is
Speaker 4: he Because after the shootout, Doc comes to after getting
Speaker 4: drugged in a in a gunfight, after getting kidnapped, right,
Speaker 4: he finds himself on Bigfoot. There's a loading some of
Speaker 4: that old china white it looks like in the trunk
Speaker 4: of his car.
Speaker 7: Dude, I know, right, and and honestly I wondered because
Speaker 7: again it's like that was that was the the sort
Speaker 7: of only tool that he could he could potentially use
Speaker 7: to help free Owen Wilson or Koy Right that Owen.
Speaker 4: Wilson's character, well, that's what he's doing, right, He's like,
Speaker 4: even though he doesn't realize it yet, he's thinks he
Speaker 4: just put him on, he has put him in danger,
Speaker 4: but he's been orchestrating the entire thing, and that is
Speaker 4: the last thing to orchestrate, is the But.
Speaker 7: That makes me feel like it's even more possible.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Ud, Like, honestly you're saying that I do want
Speaker 8: to watch it again with all that in mind.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that make Benissio's character a figment.
Speaker 8: Of everything through his perspective, or it could be a
Speaker 8: scenario where he is both of them exactly.
Speaker 3: You remember the scene like when he the first scene
Speaker 3: we see Benissio, I forget his name in the movie,
Speaker 3: but he comes to walking Phoenix at the.
Speaker 7: Police interrogated first and Bigfoot's like and he's like, uh,
Speaker 7: you're gonna kick him? Yes, yeah, for sure, You're definitely right.
Speaker 8: As far as I can't, I can't think of a
Speaker 8: scene other than when the wife's in the background during
Speaker 8: the phone calls, where it's they're interacting with anybody else side.
Speaker 7: Right, or the sun pouring the whiskey for him as
Speaker 7: well when he's on the phone too. That's another thing.
Speaker 4: But I mean you all were capturing one of the
Speaker 4: elements I love about this film. And again it's captured
Speaker 4: also in this this clip here. Everything is a dream, right,
Speaker 4: I mean that is this is the nature of the film, right,
Speaker 4: you see you see this ongoing theme right.
Speaker 12: The rally California.
Speaker 4: Everything is kind of hazy in every scene. Right, this
Speaker 4: is that scene where he's going through the little House
Speaker 4: of the Nazis.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's this frost conjack anything that might be a threat, but.
Speaker 5: I mean everything is kind of hazy, Like the narrators
Speaker 5: kind of giving this kind.
Speaker 2: Of dream.
Speaker 7: When he said there with Owen and they're having the
Speaker 7: conversation with between the two characters, they're whispering, trying to
Speaker 7: act at first, they're using coded language as if he's
Speaker 7: trying to sell him a car or he's following up
Speaker 7: on some sort of like private car sales, uh, you know.
Speaker 5: To figure out the late model of the car and stuff.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But the person that walks behind them during that,
Speaker 7: they're the glass behind them. But that was like no way.
Speaker 7: The guys staring straight at them. You can't see his
Speaker 7: face very well, but he's suited. It's like a It
Speaker 7: felt like a fed and surveiled.
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. Well maybe that's why they're they're whispering
Speaker 4: to each other because he's playing a rolling stone if
Speaker 4: you will, you know where they turn rolling turntables or
Speaker 4: something like that, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they but
Speaker 4: you know and Ellen Wilson's that's the band he used
Speaker 4: to play with, and they're like, oh no, one remembers me.
Speaker 5: They got too much dopers.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, the whole thing is casting this whole
Speaker 4: every like the dialogue, the scenes, we're talking amnesia. Everyone has,
Speaker 4: I mean, the whole thing has got a dream state.
Speaker 17: He always mischievous spirit forces just ass the threshold of
Speaker 17: human perception.
Speaker 3: That's the time I watched it. I told Colne that
Speaker 3: was to just keep driving.
Speaker 17: Has long beach down to one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's uh again, I think you are
Speaker 4: describing again what I one of the elements I love
Speaker 4: about the film. Yeah, and there's a lot to be
Speaker 4: said about whether or not what is really again I'm
Speaker 4: not three watch too to get to look at more
Speaker 4: of these elements of the same character. I'm familiar with
Speaker 4: the theory, but I haven't watched it enough to really
Speaker 4: put all the mash that together. But you know, we
Speaker 4: see all this really after the shootout and everything and
Speaker 4: the dope, he goes back to his apartment and he's
Speaker 4: waiting for that phone call to come someone to come
Speaker 4: collect that dope before he negotiates Owen Wilson's release from
Speaker 4: this network. Because we learn everything that that like get
Speaker 4: Jim Garrison was saying, all those different parts of the
Speaker 4: and it's all the same creature. We find old Japonica
Speaker 4: Fenway's dad, that very powerful attorney who again I think
Speaker 4: I don't recall them man's name, my brain hole, but
Speaker 4: there's a Pacific Palisades, very dark attorney fellow that helped
Speaker 4: Charles Manson a couple of times. And that's who this
Speaker 4: Parker Fenway fella reminds me of. I'm sorry, Crocker Fenway.
Speaker 13: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: He said he said it's like a gang, and once
Speaker 7: you're in, you're in for life, right, wasn't that the
Speaker 7: way he described it?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, And and that was like it that's so telling
Speaker 7: in terms of the network. That's why Jeffrey Epstein died,
Speaker 7: at least if he died, I mean, he might be.
Speaker 4: I guess it's possible, exactly. I was gonna say it
Speaker 4: because I was I was gonna ask all three all
Speaker 4: here to this. What I mean, how can any of
Speaker 4: these things go on when anything we've described here tonight
Speaker 4: and this movie is depicted without these bullshit attorneys. When
Speaker 4: I say bullshit attorneys, you know these are the dark
Speaker 4: forces that are really making the wheels move in these things, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you don't have these folks getting folks
Speaker 4: out of prison, keeping them out of prison, doing weird
Speaker 4: legal stuff in the in the mix, and like, how
Speaker 4: else do these networks survive?
Speaker 5: Right without?
Speaker 8: And what happens to the best attorneys?
Speaker 7: Hmmm?
Speaker 8: They become politicians.
Speaker 7: Or they become Alan Dershowitz, and they spend their lifetime
Speaker 7: defending stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm there's a lot to be said about that man.
Speaker 5: I'm like a lot of you.
Speaker 4: I've read some of his stuff. He was the ten
Speaker 4: youngest tender professor of constitutional law there specifically of law,
Speaker 4: but in focus on constitutional on Harvard. He his legal
Speaker 4: arguments are bullshit. Like I'm I'm not an attorney. I'm
Speaker 4: also not the vice President. But I could write a
Speaker 4: better League argument than Alwiz.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you, man, that guy is is one compromise
Speaker 7: and it's so obvious. I mean, he's out of here
Speaker 7: claiming galaans a victim of Epstein and she deserves a pardon.
Speaker 7: And that was long before it was like in vogue
Speaker 7: to have that conversation.
Speaker 4: Just how about this one? I know you're a spot
Speaker 4: honestor how about this one in the same regard. I
Speaker 4: just did a shit the other night on how I
Speaker 4: met the unibomber Soda, which is my tales of my interactions.
Speaker 5: You worry about the unibomber.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, say, one of my dudes is from Lincoln, Montana,
Speaker 4: and when I met him into the Air Force basic
Speaker 4: training and we were in police academy. We both got
Speaker 4: stationed in Montana together, and then he got married sort
Speaker 4: of thereafter. I was a groomsman in his wedding. So,
Speaker 4: and that was about a year year after the trial
Speaker 4: and three years after the arrest.
Speaker 5: Are so right?
Speaker 4: So in ninety six to ninety nine, uh, and so
Speaker 4: I had a lot of questions about the times in
Speaker 4: the small, very small town in the mountains of Montana,
Speaker 4: about old Ted there, So it started opening my eyes.
Speaker 5: As the subject. There's a lot of that was bullshit.
Speaker 4: But would you believe the same Defense Council, Federal Defense Council,
Speaker 4: she keeps getting shipped all around these cases from you
Speaker 4: name it? I mean she you know the Jeredley Loffner,
Speaker 4: Ted Kazinski. Uh, you named Zacharies Mussawi. They just moved
Speaker 4: this federal defender, lady.
Speaker 10: Clark.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: They just keep moving Judy, Judy Clark. I think they
Speaker 4: just move her around all these different cases. I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: how is this not more obvious to folks? It wasn't
Speaker 4: more obvious to me until I looked at him. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying, like, she, how is this one attorney, She's
Speaker 4: a federal public defender. She keeps getting shifted to all
Speaker 4: these different cases. It makes no sense. No, that is
Speaker 4: a bombing guy. Zoe Carr's sarn't off she was his attorney.
Speaker 4: I think she did a homeboy in Colorado.
Speaker 5: Shoot. They just keep moving this lady around. Dude.
Speaker 7: That's that's interesting to me because I mean, now, honestly,
Speaker 7: I would have loved to have been a pen pala
Speaker 7: of Kazensky's. Apparently he was very responsive, which is hilarious,
Speaker 7: but uh, yeah, I mean it was clear that he
Speaker 7: was like separated as an infant from his his family,
Speaker 7: and like, I think that was a part of the
Speaker 7: of of what you would do.
Speaker 5: And again, by the.
Speaker 4: Way, like I know that, I know that is the
Speaker 4: prevailing narrative, and that was one of the things I
Speaker 4: was questioning, is what do we know? So we were
Speaker 4: given this archive of documents saying that he read all
Speaker 4: these letters. We're given a manifesto that they declared he
Speaker 4: wrote the butcher of Waco was the one forcing the
Speaker 4: Washington Post to print that.
Speaker 7: Good old Janet. Huh, that's the when you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of questions there, but you know, and
Speaker 4: again like the evidence against him not it really wasn't
Speaker 4: any They're like, oh, look we found this gray hoodie
Speaker 4: in his cabin along with some chemicals and the man
Speaker 4: and a cop and early draft of the manifesto. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is ridiculous because then you look at the search
Speaker 4: warrants and how that worked out, and then they they
Speaker 4: wall fared him and stuff like that. I think the
Speaker 4: letters trying to fire them attorneys and they wouldn't let
Speaker 4: them fire them.
Speaker 5: Do not let me fire your own attorney. Like the
Speaker 5: whole the whole.
Speaker 7: Case is is just ridiculous, honestly. I mean even the
Speaker 7: letters themselves I think were written by multiple people.
Speaker 5: Right, that was like I think so, dude, I think so, And.
Speaker 7: I think it was It was like it was the
Speaker 7: perfect example of of how multiple spooks would come together
Speaker 7: and try and fashion a letters in order for a
Speaker 7: certain agenda to be achieved. You know. But but again
Speaker 7: it's like the idea of what you could accomplish, and again,
Speaker 7: and it lends back to this sort of point of
Speaker 7: the Nazi breeding experiments, as far as if you're going
Speaker 7: to separate an infant child from their mother and at
Speaker 7: least for like extended periods of time and some sort
Speaker 7: of abuse. You know, at the very least, it seemed
Speaker 7: as if as an infant he was already being like
Speaker 7: experiencing forms of abuse, right, And that alone is interesting.
Speaker 7: But then you consider the idea of if you wanted
Speaker 7: to actually have some sort of constant supply of undocumented
Speaker 7: children in order to conduct experiments on that, this would
Speaker 7: clearly be a plausible avenue to pursue as far as
Speaker 7: that would be concerned, and and I believe that something
Speaker 7: for certain happens in terms of we had mentioned before,
Speaker 7: this sort of pedophile, you know, dynastic familial factor that
Speaker 7: plays plays into so many of these.
Speaker 4: I think that's huge in it, right, And yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that's no the generational aspect, right. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think Julia and Cole we will agree that this seems
Speaker 4: to be an ongoing pattern of behavior as far as
Speaker 4: folks are born into it. Again, it's like to play
Speaker 4: who is your daddy and what does he do? At
Speaker 4: least of which the paternal nature of the society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: But we see Japonica Fenway, she was born into it.
Speaker 8: Real quickly. You play that game. Have you ever looked
Speaker 8: at Hugh Hefner and Bill Maher.
Speaker 4: I am now I have actually, and I've thought of it, sir,
Speaker 4: And now I'm gonna highlight that as one of my
Speaker 4: future ones.
Speaker 5: I think you're onto something with that.
Speaker 8: They look a lot of it's got legs. Yeah, oh
Speaker 8: my god, look.
Speaker 4: Boring to it because I don't know who who they
Speaker 4: claim his father is, but I'm sure I can find
Speaker 4: some sort of question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was like a TikTok thing I saw.
Speaker 5: You know, They look a lot alike, don't they.
Speaker 8: They look a lot like And he's he frequented. I
Speaker 8: mean he's still might. I don't even know what the
Speaker 8: status of the mansion is. But he was one of
Speaker 8: the you know, every weekend her kind of guy.
Speaker 5: Uh wow, absolutely, dude. And he also has it. His
Speaker 5: production company was kid Love Productions.
Speaker 7: God, no way, it's like for every young production from Pizzagate. Man,
Speaker 7: it's like what it is, dude.
Speaker 5: And speaking of Pizzagate, Bill Maher those first right before
Speaker 5: he like a month where he started his production company,
Speaker 5: he made a movie called Pizza Man where he attacked
Speaker 5: Donald Trump as this under underground organized crime enterprise focused
Speaker 5: around pizza delivery.
Speaker 8: What the f How have I not heard of that one?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, sir.
Speaker 4: I did a nicolet n esoteric review on it about
Speaker 4: eight or nine months ago because someone someone had sent
Speaker 4: some folks to the interweb sent it to me because
Speaker 4: they thought one of the characters in there was named
Speaker 4: Vance because the Wikipedia, the source of all information on
Speaker 4: the interwebs, said so, and fair enough it did say that. However,
Speaker 4: once I watched film. The guy's name is Vince, but
Speaker 4: I watched it anyway and did a review on it.
Speaker 4: What the hell that's crazy, dude. Michael Milliken's one of
Speaker 4: the villains in it. It's a very fascinating movie from
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety one. It's a cinematic masterpiece.
Speaker 8: Sounds like a straight to Cinemax kind of movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's fucking terrible.
Speaker 4: But he starts Kid Love Productions immediately following that movie,
Speaker 4: and it's got a it's got a lot of heavy connotations.
Speaker 7: If you consider if you consider that with you said
Speaker 7: kid Love Productions, Kid Love Productions, you you put that
Speaker 7: directly and just as far as consider the idea of
Speaker 7: of forevery young productions as I mentioned, right, and and uh,
Speaker 7: what was it Harry Welch Junior, who was the owner
Speaker 7: and father of Edgar Madison Welch right, who who.
Speaker 5: Right exactly?
Speaker 7: Who went into comment ping pong pizza shot up the
Speaker 7: one hard drive. They claimed that wasn't exactly his intention.
Speaker 7: And then he he just goes out there and like
Speaker 7: hangs out casually, has a conversation with the authorities before
Speaker 7: they apprehend him. And and he had just struck someone
Speaker 7: with his car after returning from Haiti during the.
Speaker 4: Fucking you know, his father ran out Clinton connected Haiti nonprofits.
Speaker 7: Exactly, and it's it's crazier than that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's what was it called?
Speaker 7: It was, Uh, it was Harry Welch Junior. The father
Speaker 7: was running.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 5: He was executive director of Protect a Child. That was
Speaker 5: literally what it was called.
Speaker 7: And this was the nonprofit that was allegedly meant to
Speaker 7: prevent abuse and abduction of children specifically in Haiti. And
Speaker 7: Laura Silsby sitting there getting caught obviously uh, procuring children
Speaker 7: and and and uh and trafficking them across the Haitian border.
Speaker 7: And then she gets incarcerated and caught and and Bill
Speaker 7: Clinton himself as a fly to Haiti and and and
Speaker 7: essentially get her released, and then she's brought back to
Speaker 7: the US and placed on the Amber alert system.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 8: That that's the that's the twist, right there, Isn't that
Speaker 8: the that gets so crazy?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well the attorney she hired her there was already
Speaker 4: a convicted deddler. Yeah, I know, I forgot about that.
Speaker 4: Uh uh sort of layer to this story. Wikipedia entry
Speaker 4: is the most egregiously long. It's like a CVS receipt
Speaker 4: of Wikipedia entries. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Dude, but.
Speaker 8: I said, he's very important, obviously very important.
Speaker 4: Well you know, he is available for free on YouTube
Speaker 4: and folks checking out there. But if we may close
Speaker 4: this out on Bill Meyer and his Kid Love Productions,
Speaker 4: who I'm sure he hired attorney to incorporate these matters.
Speaker 4: Could not successfully do that without these creepy ass fucking attorneys.
Speaker 4: And then we see that as one of the main
Speaker 4: figures behind his dark enterprise here in the film right
Speaker 4: with the Japonic Fenway's.
Speaker 2: Dad definitely mister yeah.
Speaker 5: Mhm, real stiff meeting, right m two, peaceful resolution.
Speaker 7: He does seem like an eyes wide shut type right.
Speaker 5: Right, And he's got his daughter involved in all.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm glad you said that because we can
Speaker 4: see right here he's not upset that his daughter's.
Speaker 5: Being tricked out in this environment.
Speaker 4: He's upset he's she's it's happening to her in a
Speaker 4: very tacky manner in some hotels that you know, in
Speaker 4: the Odonti's conventions, right, that's.
Speaker 5: What he's buttered about about the music guy. Listen, yeah, dude,
Speaker 5: he's and he wants a fancy or rape environment for.
Speaker 7: His could reflect upon the family.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 4: Look, they're they're Fenways, and the Fenways are gonna get
Speaker 4: raped in a proper environment, is what he had.
Speaker 5: They at least better get raped.
Speaker 4: He's not he's not against the I mean, he's the
Speaker 4: one senator the looney band she keeps escaping. He's not
Speaker 4: offended by the He's offended by the nature of what
Speaker 4: she's being raped, environment, what's being done.
Speaker 7: It's just natural for them to sacrifice their children at
Speaker 7: a certain level. I mean, in terms of like the
Speaker 7: path to power and prominence, it has to be.
Speaker 3: They find it honorable what they do.
Speaker 9: And I mean I was gonna mention this way earlier,
Speaker 9: but when we brought up Henry Lee Lucas fucked his mom, Yeah,
Speaker 9: and she dressed him as a girl and told everybody
Speaker 9: he was a girl until he was like twelve.
Speaker 3: My god, it's generational.
Speaker 5: These It gets the hoose again.
Speaker 4: You just that was very much henryly Lucas's childhood a
Speaker 4: buffalo bill situation.
Speaker 7: You just you just you just reminded me of the
Speaker 7: Presidio scandal when Michael Lokino and Lilith Right his his
Speaker 7: wife were uh were named by a child victim who
Speaker 7: took them took the authorities to the actual residence right
Speaker 7: and claimed that they had been sexually assaulted, but that
Speaker 7: Michael Lokino and his wife Lilith had actually reversed gender
Speaker 7: roles during the sadistic sexual abuse on the children. Imagine that,
Speaker 7: I mean, you're we're talking with persidio three to five
Speaker 7: year olds, man.
Speaker 2: You know, and.
Speaker 4: Imagine that specifically a three and a half year old
Speaker 4: the stepdaughter of the bass chaplain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they made him watch snuff films.
Speaker 9: They made him watch as they disembowled cats and stuff
Speaker 9: and put them jars and did all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 9: But the thing is is like, that's why I don't
Speaker 9: care what people do as adults in their own bedroom whatever,
Speaker 9: But when it comes to kids, I'm so like, they
Speaker 9: tried to do this reverse gender thing and they push
Speaker 9: it out there and they make it weird, and that's
Speaker 9: what I don't like. And it's always like generational. Like
Speaker 9: I said, they their mom fucked them, their mom dressed
Speaker 9: them like a girl.
Speaker 4: You know, you don't think old Crocker Fenway here's dipped
Speaker 4: into that Chaponica jam before you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Interest going on here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, if he's gonna horror out his daughter.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You look at look at John Phillips and Mackenzie Phillips, right,
Speaker 4: look at George Hodell and his daughter, which the Hodels
Speaker 4: and the Phillips daughters both got raped by their fathers
Speaker 4: and then they would team up. So we see all
Speaker 4: of this weird sex cult stuff from the old air
Speaker 4: of Hollywood with George Hodell, who's friends with like John Houston,
Speaker 4: Jack Nicholson's mentor.
Speaker 3: Probably killed the Black Dahlia.
Speaker 4: Probably probably did that. And it's involved at all the
Speaker 4: weird ship. You remember the element of what's that sort
Speaker 4: in the Uh I'm sorry, what what is uh?
Speaker 7: What's the director that did Scarface?
Speaker 5: Why is it?
Speaker 7: Why am I forgetting Yeah? Yeah, Brian de Palma, Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's the director that did the Black Dahlia, right, And
Speaker 7: and uh, I thought it was very I honestly did
Speaker 7: appreciate it as much as I think it There are
Speaker 7: very aspects of it that obviously could have potentially been
Speaker 7: I don't know, just just more accurately depicted, I guess
Speaker 7: in a way. But but still I think that the
Speaker 7: nature of don't.
Speaker 3: Want you to know that Laurel Canyon George Hodell incestuous
Speaker 3: ass raping his daughter ass, John Phillips fan ass fucking
Speaker 3: man Ray ass fucking.
Speaker 5: We see all.
Speaker 4: We see all the John Houston stuff playing out with
Speaker 4: John Houston in the film Chinatown, written by Robert town
Speaker 4: Bomb Cocaine, Evan's sidekick and he's Rumin Polanski and Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 4: Again we see John Houston playing that incestuous relationship out
Speaker 4: right there. We see this powerful network of the the
Speaker 4: Alba core club in there. This this would be the
Speaker 4: same kind of element. And again a powerful attorney is
Speaker 4: the one behind it in that element, like he's the
Speaker 4: man to go to to fix everything.
Speaker 7: Man, old money scions. That's what Hollywood Land was.
Speaker 4: They all bang their kids, dude, you know that's again
Speaker 4: that's we see that in China Town. That's the daughter
Speaker 4: the del Ray's daughter there is isn't more or moro.
Speaker 4: Uh what's the name Molroy? Yeah, his daughter there is
Speaker 4: actually the ancestrious relationship there. So his wife is the
Speaker 4: inncessul relationship of his business partner and friend, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: And then they had a kid. We see the same
Speaker 5: thing here.
Speaker 7: And what were I mean they were they were obviously
Speaker 7: manipulating and the water supply to all of Los Angeles's wealth,
Speaker 7: which is like the state impact of the influence being conducted,
Speaker 7: as far as the operation and the precedent setting notions
Speaker 7: being placed within there, They're obviously being positioned I would say,
Speaker 7: within the just the local establishment infrastructure. It's how you
Speaker 7: kind of paved the way for these dystopian agendas, right.
Speaker 7: But I do think that totalitarianism takes a diabolical effort
Speaker 7: with many different sociopaths involved in pursuing this uh you know, uh,
Speaker 7: And and it seems like there's also this this clear
Speaker 7: and obvious uh, just willingness to pursue you know, these
Speaker 7: kind of like they're they're not necessarily in in the
Speaker 7: the I would say, like pursuing the same exact potential
Speaker 7: dystopian outcome, but it falls within the framework enough for
Speaker 7: them to coexist and facilitate the agenda. And and I
Speaker 7: just see Chinatown as another one of the the films
Speaker 7: that perfectly represents that that sort of strategy.
Speaker 5: But yeah, sir, I think you're spot on.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you one thing I don't appreciate about
Speaker 4: Chinatown is that motherfucker's trying to out JJ, me JJ
Speaker 4: getting yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know I I I sold you the other day at
Speaker 2: my doctor's office. You ever run across a dentist named
Speaker 2: Rudy Blatinoid, the.
Speaker 14: Son of a bitch who until recently was correct my daughter.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's so offended by the weirdest thing.
Speaker 2: Today, trampoline accent laped. I'm so sure it was an accident, And.
Speaker 14: You'd like to know if I did it, what possible
Speaker 14: motive would I have? Just because a man prayed on
Speaker 14: a an emotionally vulnerable child forced her to engage in
Speaker 14: sexual practices that might appalled even a sophisticate like yourself,
Speaker 14: does that mean I'd have any reason to see his
Speaker 14: miserable pedophile career If I'm doing that, What a vindictive person?
Speaker 4: You must imagine She's an adult and he's calling him
Speaker 4: a pedophile?
Speaker 5: Right right?
Speaker 6: I did suspect he was fucking as a receptionist, But
Speaker 6: Dennis doesn't some mopey all take him down school anyhow.
Speaker 2: It's a long way from strange and weird sex, isn't it?
Speaker 14: What about any for little girls who listened to original
Speaker 14: cast albums of Broadway musicals while he had his way.
Speaker 2: With her, or the.
Speaker 14: Tastelessness with short hotel rooms he took her to during conventions.
Speaker 4: He nailed again, we're seeing the psychopathy of the individuals
Speaker 4: that run this network and the attorneys that make sure
Speaker 4: it gets hidden in that character. Right, there is no
Speaker 4: problem with his daughter being put tricked out. His problems
Speaker 4: are the core of the rooms and the musicals and
Speaker 4: ship dude like weird beef my daughter.
Speaker 3: You better yeah, you better be wearing a tie, and
Speaker 3: you better fucking smell like dri or no war like right.
Speaker 5: Well, as like as we look at this, I'll go ahead, sir,
Speaker 5: go ahead.
Speaker 11: Oh.
Speaker 7: It just reminded me of of the attorney during the
Speaker 7: Atlanta child murders that that essentially was very much affiliated
Speaker 7: with Andrew Young, who is the mayor who was obviously
Speaker 7: he was brought back and turned and honestly put it
Speaker 7: in charge of being the authoritative figure during the Atlanta
Speaker 7: child murders trial. And and it just goes to show
Speaker 7: that obviously, the the legal council for Wayne Williams was
Speaker 7: fully compromised from the beginning, and so essentially it was
Speaker 7: like he had to It took years after the original
Speaker 7: trial for him to actually get a decent legal representation.
Speaker 5: And even then, you know, it was kind of.
Speaker 7: Very strategically undermined and certain in terms of the credibility
Speaker 7: of his legal counsel and and uh, but but still
Speaker 7: you just go to see that that there is one
Speaker 7: this this attorney who was was was placed on his
Speaker 7: legal council by Andrew Young and these various individual politicians
Speaker 7: who were prominent within the the the network being conducted
Speaker 7: and facilitated in in Atlanta, but had connections to the
Speaker 7: George Bush Senior administration, which is why Bush Senior himself
Speaker 7: came down, had a meeting at the Governor's mansion and
Speaker 7: and intervened prior to uh, Wayne.
Speaker 5: Right snuff the snuff films they were producing, right exactly.
Speaker 7: And that is why I think that that the attorney
Speaker 7: who was strategically placed uh in order to facilitate the
Speaker 7: proper legal counsel for him. In terms of the cover
Speaker 7: up itself, she had already been the attorney for Michael Thievis,
Speaker 7: who was the essentially child pornography kingpin in the area
Speaker 7: that Wayne Williams was well, he was abducting children, but
Speaker 7: he was recruiting them through the Gemini Project or the
Speaker 7: Geminia I forget what he called it. It was basically
Speaker 7: his talent recruiting agency, and he would he would bring
Speaker 7: those children to I forget the name of the production
Speaker 7: studio at the time that Michael Thievis owned in Atlanta,
Speaker 7: but that's where he would take those children who would
Speaker 7: then be filmed in child pornography and various things of
Speaker 7: that nature. I'm assuming it would go to the extent
Speaker 7: of legitimate snuff films as well. And and uh and
Speaker 7: just the idea, d yeah, just the idea that that
Speaker 7: woman who was on the that was represented as far
Speaker 7: as the legal legal representative of Michael theevis, the child
Speaker 7: pornography kingpin that Wayne Williams was taking the children to
Speaker 7: from the Gemini project, was also on the legal council
Speaker 7: strategically placed there for uh, for Wayne Williams. And again
Speaker 7: it was like they tried to actually bribe he and
Speaker 7: his father, Homer Williams, because they were both completely compromised
Speaker 7: by this network and had burned all of these photographic
Speaker 7: negatives right after the original arrest and essentially kind of
Speaker 7: like lending to the credibility of of them deliberately destroying
Speaker 7: the the evidence of the child pornography or the pictures
Speaker 7: or the films or whatever.
Speaker 4: Let's say, you know, the operation with these damn attorneys, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's just helping on this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well you bring you bring us some excellent points there
Speaker 4: and back to Manhattan Beach as we see in the
Speaker 4: score Eat a beach here in the film, as you said,
Speaker 4: was the Manhattan Beach setting and the McMartin preschool that
Speaker 4: used to sit there, would you believe the first not
Speaker 4: that not Charles Mannon's friend Ira Ryner, who would be
Speaker 4: the district attorney elected shortly after the charges were brought
Speaker 4: in that case, the one that made it in a
Speaker 4: circus and you know, made sure nothing ever got brought accountable,
Speaker 4: et cetera. But the first district journey when charges were
Speaker 4: brought and then McMartin case described it in that press
Speaker 4: conferences revolving around child pornography. Yes, so the public statement
Speaker 4: made it was obviously shitcoad later by Charlie's friends and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But it is what we see there, and that was
Speaker 4: at Manhattan Beach where we see our two characters in
Speaker 4: the film come back here for if I may offer
Speaker 4: all of y'all all three of y'all. Some closing statements here,
Speaker 4: but this is where after the after this clip, this
Speaker 4: is where, you know, the little uh scene of these
Speaker 4: two guys really coming together, you know, old Jack Queen
Speaker 4: and Uh Joaquin and who himself grew up in a
Speaker 4: sex cult. By the way, I forgot to mention that,
Speaker 4: and Josh.
Speaker 12: Brolin mercifully failed to trans fire.
Speaker 11: Yeah, don't get up.
Speaker 5: Big Foot and whoops smashed on my door? Whoop? What's
Speaker 5: going on here?
Speaker 16: After a long and busy day of civil rights violations,
Speaker 16: I found myself in the neighborhood and compelled to drop
Speaker 16: in just to check and see the current state of
Speaker 16: affairs and my old stomping grounds. Seeing as your effort
Speaker 16: to keep lines of communication have been limited, to say
Speaker 16: the least. Who I've been busy trying to figure out
Speaker 16: which side of the exact paper is the sticky side.
Speaker 5: I love that line. Yeah that, and he tells him
Speaker 5: at one point, you smell like Pachuli Farks. I love
Speaker 5: that one too.
Speaker 3: The Julie Parks.
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm so sorry about last night you Why should
Speaker 6: you be sorry?
Speaker 2: Mh weird, weird?
Speaker 5: It is weird, dude.
Speaker 7: This whole scene is so strange.
Speaker 5: I mean, it gets weird too, right.
Speaker 7: It's fucking eating the zincxacs.
Speaker 5: Dude, dude, oh dude.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it seems like such a Schitzo ending,
Speaker 4: but it's a Schitzo kind of film, so it's very fitting,
Speaker 4: I feel like, but it is. I appreciate all y'all
Speaker 4: join me here and folks at the interwebsite, I joined
Speaker 4: us to get a little gc D on the matters
Speaker 4: of this occult and esoteric film. Review of the twenty
Speaker 4: fourteen Cinematic Master Beast and air advice and if I
Speaker 4: may start off there with Julia in some closing statements,
Speaker 4: comments or any plugs or concerns or any questions.
Speaker 5: Do you have any questions. I don't know what's going
Speaker 5: on over there right now.
Speaker 3: Well, I really like this movie.
Speaker 13: I do.
Speaker 9: I feel like I would need to watch it a
Speaker 9: few more times to kind of get every perspective, because
Speaker 9: I've watched it two and a half times now, and
Speaker 9: there are things like that Austin mentioned that I never
Speaker 9: would have put together, like maybe doc is like a
Speaker 9: figment of Bigfoots imagination and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of trippy because the whole thing does
Speaker 3: seem very dream like. But you watch it? Who's it?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't even know what this movie. It's free on Hulu.
Speaker 3: If you have Hulu, watch it right now.
Speaker 8: Or you could borrow the DVD from me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jo, because again, I've watched this easily ten times
Speaker 4: before I started really putting a lot of pieces together.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on.
Speaker 9: Right Oh yeah, Kobe made me watch it. He's made
Speaker 9: me a more well rounded individual since we got married.
Speaker 9: He makes me watch things that I would pass up
Speaker 9: in a fucking heartbeat.
Speaker 8: On ghost hunters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's be honest. Who doesn't want to watch
Speaker 4: a couple of grown men scream while wearing but dazzle jeans,
Speaker 4: you know, run around.
Speaker 8: When you can live it.
Speaker 4: My weekends, get them up the dazzle jeans, run around
Speaker 4: a couple empty you know, barns or farmhouses.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I love it. But now I'll let you say your
Speaker 3: final thoughts. I really liked the movie.
Speaker 9: I think it's uh, it's it's about like a psychological obviously,
Speaker 9: among other things.
Speaker 3: It's layered. But the thing that stood out the most
Speaker 3: to me was that this was kind of like an
Speaker 3: m K. Weird disassociative psychological movie. He made me watch
Speaker 3: Requiem for a Dream and I almost freaking started my period.
Speaker 4: I went out of my way to to not la
Speaker 4: that morning, macause because you know, pulation, because.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, this this is one of those movies
Speaker 3: that he has me watched that at the end, I'm
Speaker 3: just kind of like, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 8: That's the best reaction to a movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What was the other one that I had the same
Speaker 4: reaction inception? And I walked out of the theater, walked
Speaker 4: right back into the theater, and I said, to watch
Speaker 4: that again.
Speaker 2: I don't know what just happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any David Lynch movie.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we should all get together at some point and
Speaker 8: cover Moholland Drive, because I think there's a lot of
Speaker 8: old Hollywood occultism in that one and just absolutely overall
Speaker 8: mind fuck.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 9: He I came to visit him and we got high
Speaker 9: as fucking Georgia pines, and then he was like, we
Speaker 9: should watch Mauholland Drive. And I was like, okay, because
Speaker 9: I love Laurel Canyon stuff. Talk about turning your bee
Speaker 9: hole inside out.
Speaker 4: I was like, up close to that is under the
Speaker 4: Silver Lake. If a master under the Silver Lake with
Speaker 4: you know, the dog Killers and all the other weird
Speaker 4: shit going on there.
Speaker 8: I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 5: You haven't seen under the Silver Lake Hole My goodness, dude,
Speaker 5: you're gonna enjoy that, sir recommendation.
Speaker 8: Yeah. At one point during Maulholland Drive, she just looked
Speaker 8: over at me. She's like, I thought we were supposed
Speaker 8: to be having fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said that.
Speaker 4: I said that four and a half minutes end of
Speaker 4: the cafe scene. I thought this was supposed to be
Speaker 4: a good movie.
Speaker 5: That's what what?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 7: I kind of like I knew what I was getting
Speaker 7: into with the Ninth Gate. I was kind of like
Speaker 7: I knew what I was getting into with that. With
Speaker 7: with eight millimeter, I didn't.
Speaker 8: Know eight millimeter. I saw someone mentioned that in the
Speaker 8: comments earlier. You know, with his past, he sure has
Speaker 8: drawn to a lot of this dark ass ship. I
Speaker 8: mean even the Gladiator, he's he's basically playing a pedophile.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's doing like screen d Honestly, he is a
Speaker 7: he's a fascinating guy. He's a very incredible actor. Honestly,
Speaker 7: really has become that. But I will say they put
Speaker 7: him through a humiliation ritual with that Joker Too movie, right,
Speaker 7: Am I wrong?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 7: I mean that was that was ridiculous. I didn't even
Speaker 7: get through it at all. But it just, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: to take the original, which at least had like legitimate
Speaker 7: value to a certain extent, and then and then entirely
Speaker 7: put But yeah, I'm not surprise, but it sort of
Speaker 7: reminds me of the Blink Twice concept that I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 7: because the conclusion of that film is so like absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I mean it obviously they go woke as hell an
Speaker 7: attempt to implement this sort of like feminist like context
Speaker 7: to like now the victim becomes the abuser and it's
Speaker 7: now worshiped by the general population. It's like so strange,
Speaker 7: you know, it doesn't even make sense. But I will
Speaker 7: say that with inherent vice, like inherent vice in every way,
Speaker 7: it appeals to me as just again connoiseur of just
Speaker 7: in my mind these sort of layered film projects that
Speaker 7: I think are far more just like compelling, you know,
Speaker 7: just to experience as an audience member. But I will
Speaker 7: say that it fit and gave me that same sort
Speaker 7: of feeling as eight Millimeter in terms of the conception value.
Speaker 7: And and again It's like, what what I what I
Speaker 7: find so valuable about eight millimeter, right, is just the
Speaker 7: the idea of of of snuff films being this urban myth,
Speaker 7: you know, and being conflated in this way like the
Speaker 7: Satanic panic, very much so, and in my mind of manufacture, misconception.
Speaker 7: And and you see how these eight millimeter film strips
Speaker 7: undeveloped this old money scion family, this woman who who
Speaker 7: legitimately she becomes a widow, and and she allegedly you're
Speaker 7: supposed to believe that she she views her husband like
Speaker 7: at least she she sort of bought the myth in
Speaker 7: terms of her husband, and and and thought that he
Speaker 7: was this he stood for everything you know of just
Speaker 7: I would say, in terms of the ethical values and
Speaker 7: what he was pursuing. She she definitely it seemed like
Speaker 7: she she believed the the false narrative of his character,
Speaker 7: you know, and in in that in this way. And
Speaker 7: then she sees this un developed eight millimeter film strip
Speaker 7: after he dies right in his in his private safe,
Speaker 7: and then has a Nicholas Cage come and actually screen
Speaker 7: this this film strip. And then he has this like
Speaker 7: physical reaction to what he obviously witnesses as a child
Speaker 7: being completely sexually abused and then potentially murdered in a
Speaker 7: stuff film. Right, it escalated, and his physical reaction was like,
Speaker 7: you know, he recoiled in every way. It was like
Speaker 7: what you would naturally do if you truly believed what
Speaker 7: you saw was real. And then he attempted to justify
Speaker 7: it in his own mind, like, no, that's not you know,
Speaker 7: there's no way that could be real. And then he
Speaker 7: tries to pursue the case in some sort of objective way,
Speaker 7: and he's introduced to the most well established pedophile underworld
Speaker 7: you could ever imagine, you know, and that alone, and
Speaker 7: that's not far off.
Speaker 5: In the network we're seeing here in this film, right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think again, just saying both of you would
Speaker 3: like Archive eighty one because it's not films.
Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna be doing eight milimeters in October as well.
Speaker 4: Land and my my occasional co host and guests from
Speaker 4: The Daily Dissident there fellow West Virginia in there. Land
Speaker 4: and he he's that's one of his favorite movies. I
Speaker 4: guess he's been trying to get me to do review
Speaker 4: of it. I actually just recently watched it for the
Speaker 4: first time.
Speaker 5: I'm lotd you. I was fucking disturbed, and I've seen
Speaker 5: a lot of ship I've been I saw.
Speaker 8: That in the theater. It's like a young teenager with
Speaker 8: my mom and brother.
Speaker 5: My god, I'll get you been uncomfortable.
Speaker 8: Well, well, we didn't know what we were watching.
Speaker 3: It was like, it's the guy who wrote seven, and
Speaker 3: you're like, fuck me.
Speaker 5: I saw seven in the theater and that was pretty
Speaker 5: That was pretty disturbing.
Speaker 8: Top seven.
Speaker 5: Oh, definitely, I disagree.
Speaker 7: Uncomfortable factor of being with the family while you're watching it.
Speaker 4: After it was over, my mom aue what I'm saying, dude,
Speaker 4: Like that's aggressive, that age.
Speaker 8: Well my mom, yeah, she talked to my brother and
Speaker 8: I and she was like, yeah, that ship really happens.
Speaker 8: Rich people are fucked up.
Speaker 13: I don't know that.
Speaker 7: That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 8: She's great. I mean, she's like us. She thinks like
Speaker 8: we all do.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was just gonna say, that's totally an
Speaker 3: awesome memory you can have now because that's a cool.
Speaker 7: Mom just saying in hindsight, Hell yeah, that that is
Speaker 7: an awesome memory.
Speaker 5: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 7: That I will still the only point I wanted to
Speaker 7: make it an eight millimeter. Is that What's stuck with
Speaker 7: me more than anything is that Joaquin Phoenix's character I
Speaker 7: think is brilliant in that in that movie. And he's
Speaker 7: essentially he's the connect, right, he's working at a porn shop.
Speaker 7: He's he's he's behind the counter, but he's offering up
Speaker 7: to any of the clientele, you know. Essentially if he
Speaker 7: thinks that or he's the he's sort of gauging the
Speaker 7: care character if if he views them as as obviously
Speaker 7: not being uh, you know, some sort of snitch or
Speaker 7: or at the very least he's willing to to introduce
Speaker 7: them into this lifestyle, uh, provide them with let's just
Speaker 7: say illegal the you know, pornography of some kind under
Speaker 7: the counter. And then he goes on to basically he
Speaker 7: strikes up this relationship with Nicholas Cage's character, who's asking
Speaker 7: him questions while he's working behind the counter at this
Speaker 7: porn shop. And so he grows more and more comfortable
Speaker 7: with Nicholas Cage's character as a private investigator obviously, and
Speaker 7: then he introduces him to like this this this venue,
Speaker 7: this sort of like c D location in town where
Speaker 7: where all these sort of like you know, just individuals
Speaker 7: with this you know, sinister sexual proclivity proclivities or like
Speaker 7: accumulating in order to like pursue these these disgusting uh
Speaker 7: you know, fetishes, and and so they had like all
Speaker 7: these screening rooms and in this uh in this kind
Speaker 7: of like seed the area and in in this weird
Speaker 7: warehouse type of situation and uh and there's all these
Speaker 7: screening rooms involved behind curtains and you can hear people
Speaker 7: just like jerking off and listening and watching terrible things.
Speaker 7: And then he goes up to one of the last
Speaker 7: rooms in the uh in uh in the air or
Speaker 7: at least in this property, and essentially walking Phoenix is
Speaker 7: trying to describe to him like what he's about to see,
Speaker 7: you know, and and basically telling him like, there's this
Speaker 7: is a point of no return for everyone. If you
Speaker 7: ever were to experience this, you cannot come back. You
Speaker 7: will never be the same. And in the way that
Speaker 7: he kind of describes that to him is just like
Speaker 7: it resonated with me and stuck with me and I'll
Speaker 7: forever remember. And it's it's basically he says to him,
Speaker 7: he says, you dance with the devil. The devil doesn't change,
Speaker 7: the devil changes you, and that like just me.
Speaker 4: Person, I saw that that was a very telling statement
Speaker 4: of him. I oft I often say the same thing
Speaker 4: throughout my military career, especially if by offer advice in
Speaker 4: my troops, I would say, you can dance with the devil,
Speaker 4: but just remember the dances. The devil is gonna dance
Speaker 4: back with you. And that's absolutely that's essentially.
Speaker 7: Like staring into the abyss man.
Speaker 4: You know, well, man, it's essentially what goes on when
Speaker 4: you watched that fucking movie. Dude, that's a fucking disturbing movie.
Speaker 5: Dude, that's.
Speaker 4: Just motherfucker tried out JJ jj Ames the private detective
Speaker 4: with no hands, two claws and a tiger that saved
Speaker 4: Marlon Brando's son. And I think all of these the
Speaker 4: film yea hooky guys save Marlon Brando's on in Mexico.
Speaker 4: You don't know if he brought his tiger with him,
Speaker 4: same as John j Ames jj Ames. Find out JJ
Speaker 4: at least in some regard rest in peace. But anyhow,
Speaker 4: I don't know how he did it. He's got dude,
Speaker 4: he had a he had a hook attachment for a gun.
Speaker 4: This is like inspector gadget dude, But like real life,
Speaker 4: we live in them up at world of narratives, we
Speaker 4: don't understand. We're sold propagandaitude through a bunch of hood
Speaker 4: rat ship and guys with fucking hook hands and a
Speaker 4: gun attachment and some tigers too.
Speaker 5: Apparently that sounds like this story.
Speaker 3: And uh, Adventures and Babysitting.
Speaker 5: And he had a Oh that's a great movie, dude,
Speaker 5: I love Adventures of Babysitting.
Speaker 3: Honorable mention, Joaquin Phoenix and uh walk the line.
Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say, mentioned the kids that
Speaker 4: the kid, the Jeffrey or the Kevin Spacey did in
Speaker 4: in the Adventures and Babysitting. Oh, Anthony rap guy he was,
Speaker 4: he was in that film. It was the summer before
Speaker 4: that film. I believe that he got diddled by Kevin
Speaker 4: Spacey at Jeffrey's house at that at that interlocking camp.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 5: Right around.
Speaker 8: She can't even mentioned an innocent throwaway hook line. Coming back, I.
Speaker 4: Will bring it back to Epstein's like I'm good. I'm
Speaker 4: beginning to understand Epstein's like the wears Waldo of everything
Speaker 4: in parapolitics this morning, who ever employed that motherfucker just
Speaker 4: sent him around the world, just taking photographs.
Speaker 5: Of everybody wears Waldo style like, oh, there's Jeffrey. There's Jeffrey.
Speaker 8: Cardboard cutout that they were trolling.
Speaker 4: People just carry around that cardboard cut out like that's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, He's everywhere, dude, what is going on
Speaker 4: in life? Mm hmm, Well, I appreciate your all timing
Speaker 4: and folks the inner webs. Thanks for joining us here
Speaker 4: to your little GC d any lasts for closing statements
Speaker 4: before we call it in here goodbye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having us your favorite garbage.
Speaker 4: Can gal absolutely even got the bottle clip for you there, man,
Speaker 4: Sir and Allston Weap of card I always enjoy our
Speaker 4: conversations as well, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 7: Hey Man, nothing justin yeah, honestly, dude, nothing beloved for
Speaker 7: all of you guys. And I appreciate you guys and
Speaker 7: and just the conversation alone. But but yeah, I'm eager
Speaker 7: to to you know, continue to collaborate. Honestly, I'd like
Speaker 7: to try and plan a few things maybe going forward.
Speaker 7: I know you guys are going to take some time off,
Speaker 7: but whenever you're you know, I'll hit you up. And
Speaker 7: whenever you're you're back and willing and ready to do
Speaker 7: some some more collaborations, like I'm interested and I would
Speaker 7: love to have you guys on the show too, just
Speaker 7: you know, I'm trying to one improve as an interviewer
Speaker 7: as well, but beyond that, just I enjoy the conversations
Speaker 7: where I feel like they're constructive and I consistently learn
Speaker 7: something new. And it's not just people, you know, just
Speaker 7: overall agreeing with each other on every single point, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, It's like I'd much rather preferred
Speaker 7: to have conversations with people who are critically thinking through
Speaker 7: these things and have something new to bring to the
Speaker 7: table and and are attempting to in a way where
Speaker 7: they're they're acting in good faith, which is definitely something
Speaker 7: that just frustrates me. Just kind of like what I
Speaker 7: care for more than anything is just essentially knowing that
Speaker 7: your intentions are pure, and then I'm more than willing
Speaker 7: to at every level engage with you and hope to
Speaker 7: grow together like that. That's all I would ever hope
Speaker 7: to achieve. And and so I just have to say, man,
Speaker 7: it provides me with further inspiration and hope in general
Speaker 7: as well, because I mean, my God, like a syop
Speaker 7: season for real, like we're surrounded. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 7: feels like this in a way where it just feels
Speaker 7: like we are you know, the this sort of very
Speaker 7: deliberate deception has been just implemented and layered around us
Speaker 7: to such an extent that it's very difficult to wade
Speaker 7: through this sort of swamp of this information. And if
Speaker 7: I can do that with people that I think have
Speaker 7: wonderful intentions in their hearts are in the right place, then,
Speaker 7: you know, man, thank God for that.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 7: So I just have to say I got nothing but
Speaker 7: love for you guys, and thank you as always, so
Speaker 7: sir as well Colby for sure, man, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Make some great points there, sir, and uh, and I
Speaker 4: can encapsulate that by the used car salesman, extraordinary of
Speaker 4: shit coating things, Old Ted Gunderson.
Speaker 6: There's thousands of Americans out there.
Speaker 2: By the way, I've been shot with a laser beam twice, folks.
Speaker 5: I appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Has some great thoughts there, Austin and uh not Bill
Speaker 4: Colby for sure your thoughts and the time, and your
Speaker 4: thoughts and time as well.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 4: I look forward to future collaborations and uh future discussions
Speaker 4: on these matters, definitely for sure. On that note, any
Speaker 4: last Alibis concerns, questions, comments, or statements.
Speaker 3: My barn is burned
Speaker 2: And