1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back, and welcome to the final 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:10,560 episode of the GV Tenure Retrospective Special Editions. I'm the 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,919 birthday boy tras Now, and I'm joined by I am 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,600 the actor kirklum Patzer, I am Dylan Muss I am 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,600 the doll Taylor Field. Yes, ladies, Jim and as I said, 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,160 this is our final conclusion, our final chapter of Who've 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,399 said Before You've heard of spiel We do many retros 8 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:31,640 time with stuff, time movies, franchisees, patrons pick them, but 9 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,240 we want to pick them. We want to get our 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,200 measly hands in there. So what we've done is we 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,679 all picked a movie. I picked Shame Taypic, Wrong Turn two, 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,240 Dead End, don't pick the Big Lebowski. Review those all 13 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:46,880 did the whole retrospective, you know, format reviewed them, talk 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,000 about rate them, trivia, the whole shebang. And here we 15 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,840 are to end all off with I was just trying 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,439 to do no I was wrong, never mind, I was 17 00:00:54,439 --> 00:00:56,039 gonna say, I was trying to find some quick way 18 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:57,640 to be I guess the newest movie. But no it's not. 19 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,240 It's right in the middle of them the game. It 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,920 actually might be the oldest movie. I think it's nineteen 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,200 eighty seven David Fincher. So there you go, let's see 22 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:09,079 David Fincher. Yeah, nineteen ninety episode is actually the oldest 23 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,359 movie we're talking about in this retrospective. But the great 24 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:16,120 David Fincher The Game. So obviously Kirklin picked this, but 25 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:18,519 we're gonna leave hm last year why he talked about this. So, 26 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,359 mister Muss, hello, did you what do you think of 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,680 this movie? You've seen it before. Also, I know you've 28 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:29,000 seen probably some things of David Fincher. We just did it. 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,280 We reviewed Alien three last year, which is also not 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,879 the greatest you know, comparison point. But yeah, what did 31 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:37,760 you think about this movie? You've seen it before? Tell 32 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:38,799 us your story with the game? 33 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, very short story, because I had never heard of 34 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:44,959 this film until Kirkland picked. I mean maybe it's been 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,959 mentioned when we've just been talking about Fincher like in 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,840 the in the past, but never really like thought about it, 37 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:52,840 never looked it up on IMDb, and never really you know, 38 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:56,439 put mental effort into considering what it actually was. And yeah, 39 00:01:56,439 --> 00:01:58,239 for Fincher, I've seen yea, I guess seen Alien three. 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,879 I've seen the killer Killers? 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,239 Speaker 3: What was that was just a killer? Yeah? Gone Girl? 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,640 He did? What are his other like big dog ones? 43 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:13,039 Speaker 1: You haven't seen Fight clubber seven yet? Right across? Yeah, 44 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:14,520 social network, I feel like you've. 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,599 Speaker 3: Probably seen, right, seen that. 46 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah that was Benjamin Button, Brad Pitt Baby old man 47 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:22,199 Button by Button yet. 48 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,599 Speaker 2: But yeah, So anyway, I've seen, you know, a handful 49 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,800 of disguised movies, really great career, really interesting mix of things. 50 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,960 But I feel like, you know, the peak there is 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,120 probably Gone Girl in terms of being like this big 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,319 mystery thing and you know that is like based on 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,800 a book or whatever. But I think it's interesting to 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,719 go into this one and it kind of being a 55 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:44,599 similar thing of like this big kind of this big 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,800 story to kind of unravel and like you know, twists 57 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,159 and turns and all that sort of stuff. So this 58 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,120 is a fun one to go back to. 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,159 Speaker 1: It. 60 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,199 Speaker 2: It's probably the oldest one I've seen of his maybe 61 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,759 like Alien, but you know, we're not gonna we're not 62 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:55,919 gonna count Alien for his. 63 00:02:57,439 --> 00:02:57,719 Speaker 3: There. 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, this was a surprising movie in a sense. 65 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,759 I don't know if I've ever seen in Michael Douglas's name, right, 66 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:07,560 I always mix them up with Michael Kane and other 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,919 actors that have generic names like that. I don't know 68 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,479 if I've ever seen him in like a leading role before, 69 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,080 so I think that was like a fun surprise. I'm 70 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,759 sure he's done a bunch of great movies over the years, 71 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:17,879 but I don't know if I've ever seen him in 72 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:20,319 that leading man role. I just know him as Hank Pim, 73 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,800 you know, so it's kind of fun to see him 74 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,199 in like this different kind of role. I enjoyed this movie. 75 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,439 I think it was a fun ride. Obviously, it's an 76 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,919 extremely wild ride, crazy times. I love the Truman Show 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,599 to get like the similar idea of just like everyone 78 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,479 in on this thing except for one guy is like 79 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:37,520 a fun idea, and obviously that's more comedic, whereas this 80 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,319 is much more dour and serious. So yeah, it's a 81 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,560 really fun time. I think in terms of it being 82 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,439 this kind of movie where you're never really supposed to 83 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:46,680 know what's going on. Even though it was my first 84 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,159 time viewing it and I know spoilers, I kind of knew. 85 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: What was gonna happen always, and I never really. 86 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,199 Speaker 2: Felt like I was too surprised, and I always kind 87 00:03:55,199 --> 00:03:56,879 of I don't know, if I. I guess we're just 88 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,639 opening up spoilers you're read at the beginning, But I 89 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:00,439 kind of feel like I knew exactly was going on 90 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:01,879 with the brother from the beginning. He knew it was 91 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:04,039 going on with like the lady friend character to use 92 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,319 the big lapasky verbage here, So yeah, I think that 93 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 was maybe like a bit of a detractor from us. 94 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,280 I never really felt like I was too shocked by 95 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:15,199 anything in here, and I got a lot of questions 96 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:19,160 in terms of characters and motivations and revelations that happens 97 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:20,879 towards the near the end. But at the end of 98 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,319 the day, I think this movie is still an extremely 99 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:26,639 fun ride. Obviously, it's like crazy and like the places 100 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,439 we go, the people we see, the insane things that 101 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,800 are happening are just a really really fun ride. So 102 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:34,759 I had a good time with this one. But yeah, 103 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,279 it was kind of a complete shot in the dark, 104 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:39,800 random movie I'd never really heard of before. So kind 105 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,680 of fun though to knock off one of those earlier 106 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,519 Fincher ones for me. 107 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, for I'm not sure when they'll come up again 108 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:47,519 in the future, but from like the late eighties to 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,160 the mid nineties, Michael Douglas was one of like the 110 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:54,399 top leading guys like Wall Street, basic instinct, failed traction. 111 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,199 I feel like I'm missing another one in there. But oh, 112 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,160 a perfect murder because he's he he's great at playing 113 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:02,879 and I guess I'll go I'll just go into it. 114 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:09,399 He's great at playing the very charismatic, very likable, but 115 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,560 ultra douchey type of lead, and all those ones are 116 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,519 that type of way where it's like, okay, like you 117 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,360 like Douglas because Douglas is one of my favorite actors. 118 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,040 I love the way he speaks, I love the little 119 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,680 isms he does. But there is just he can just 120 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,000 turn to the villain just like that, you know. And 121 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,439 that's the good thing with this story. I don't know 122 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,680 when i'd seen this, i'd seen this early on, because 123 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,079 I think I had seen I really can't remember. I 124 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,720 feel like, I, yeah, I think I saw a Fight 125 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:38,600 Club and then seven and finally Aft. We're just talk 126 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:40,120 about the Cohens. It was like that where, Okay, I 127 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,879 saw two movies that I really like. Now I to 128 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:44,519 go into everything, and I think it was in that 129 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,079 collection of I just watched a bunch of stuff together 130 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,079 and then revisit it kind of multiple times throughout because 131 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:52,439 people have probably heard me talk about this before. Champain 132 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,879 at one point, to me, was the greatest actor of 133 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,120 all time. I don't know if I put that now 134 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,279 because his later career not as great. I'm excited for 135 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,120 another battle. What the hell? What is that one battle? 136 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Out for another he's in there. I'm really excited for 137 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,879 that coming up this year. But Sean Penn, who's not 138 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,079 in this movie that much, but he was just a 139 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,839 fucking jug or not in the two thousand Man her 140 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:13,279 two names. 141 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 4: He's on the poster even though he's not in it much. Yeah, 142 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,600 I know he's not Sean Penn, though he got absolutely. 143 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: And just wait till we get Trivia. There's a whole 144 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:22,519 controversy about how Sean Penn got that role almost cost 145 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,079 him a lot of money. But yeah, no, it was 146 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 like even then, we just talked about, like in the 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,399 The Coen Brothers, like the Oscars. The next year he's 148 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,879 in the Best Actor or his best picture Best Actors scenario. 149 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,720 So I was always intrigued by that sense. And I 150 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,519 love Fincher's style, I love the colors, I love just 151 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,480 most of his movies That's why something like Benjamin Budden 152 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,399 feels a little bit different. Have this dread, even if 153 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,399 they end up having not like a terrible result, there's 154 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,120 just a cloud around it. I think he kind of 155 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,639 recaptured that game with the Killers. We'll see what he 156 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,600 does with his American Squid game. I don't know what 157 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,199 they're gonna do with that. But David fincher Is says sport, 158 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,079 He's in Why My Mount Rushmore just my favorites. I 159 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:05,439 love pretty much everything he does. And even then, other 160 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,120 than fucking mank, everything else is a good movie if 161 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,439 we're not counting Aliens three. But with this movie, yeah, 162 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,120 I really enjoy this movie. I think I do agree 163 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,560 with Dylan where I think, even when I saw it 164 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,879 the first time, figure like it's always gonna be what 165 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,839 it is, and I always wonder it's like, Okay, is 166 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:24,319 that the movie's fault or is that just because at 167 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:26,560 this point I've been through the Saw franchise, like all 168 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 these things right where it's like there's a bunch of 169 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:30,160 movies that I've seen that have kind of set me 170 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,240 up for what's gonna happen here. So when I'm watching 171 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,079 me from nineteen ninety seven, it's like, okay, here it is, 172 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,519 but it's a fun journey. We won't talk about too 173 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,560 much maybe next year, but I love and it's part 174 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,199 of the reason with our second movie. I love a 175 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,319 movie where a main character has a situation and didn't 176 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:48,040 know what the fuck's going on, and there's all these 177 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:51,680 different realities presented to them and they really can't figure out, like, hey, 178 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,120 are they crazy? Are they being gas lit? Is this 179 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,959 stuff really happening? And I think Douglas does a great 180 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:59,920 job of having to pull all that off, these putting 181 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,040 many situations that I especially the hotel room, just have 182 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,759 such a ball with them, just like they put they 183 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,160 do put this man through the ringer to get him 184 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:10,680 to be a better person, which I think they could 185 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:13,319 hit on a little harder, but that is the point 186 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,279 I think they do show, which we'll get into the 187 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:17,399 progression of this character where the first act he's very 188 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:20,079 cold and treats people that are below him in class 189 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:22,600 very poorly. We're near the end. That's not so much 190 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,439 because that you could have I almost made this a 191 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,720 little bit little, a little longer, even though I think 192 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:29,600 there's you know, ninety nine and seent movie when he 193 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:31,680 wakes up homeless on the beach. I think for a 194 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 while the movie like stalls for like too long, like 195 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:35,919 they kind of I think the third act there just 196 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:37,600 takes its time a little bit. So I think that's 197 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:39,840 my issues there. And I do think it gets a 198 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,279 little two grandiose, it gets a little too saw John 199 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,320 Kramer of like there's a lot of planning, Like there's 200 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,440 certain things like Okay, this would completely make sense, but 201 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,679 there's other things where it's like, you know that roof 202 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,320 that that's a big leap, no pun intended, you know, 203 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,200 but hit a backup plan right if he didn't, they 204 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,919 always got a backup plan there. I accept him. Am 205 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,720 I guess, yeah, this is a multi billion corporation doing it. 206 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,200 But no, it's still a great time and uh yeah, no, 207 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,320 I I enjoy watch this. I don't. I don't know 208 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:11,759 like what the repetition is. I feel like I watch 209 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:13,639 it when I'm in a Fincher mood. Funny enough, I 210 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:15,519 just watched this last year because I was in a 211 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,919 mood at Public Netflix, so watch again. So it's pretty 212 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:20,000 fresh in the mind. And yeah, I was wondering if 213 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:23,159 that was gonna hurt my liking of it. Because I remember, 214 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:25,240 Oh that happened to me with The Empty Man. Do 215 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,080 you guys remember that movie The Empty Man that we 216 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,679 watched Patroon Clay got us doing. That's one where I 217 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,279 watched the year before, really didn't like it, and then 218 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:35,799 like four months later you're watching again at least the games, 219 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:38,519 like okay, seeing before and I still was worried of like, okay, 220 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:40,639 do I like it that much? To see it within 221 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,320 I'd have to check my letterbox and no, still stood up, 222 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,799 still really enjoy it, so uh yeah, and it's I 223 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:47,799 think it's also just because I'm a big Douglas guy 224 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:51,480 and uh no fun score and whatnot. But uh, tear Field, 225 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,919 what's your store with the game? Uh? 226 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 5: You know, I I had not heard of this, never 227 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,639 seen it before. As far as Fincher films go, there's 228 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,039 a few that I've seen, like Alien three, Benjamin Button. 229 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,120 I really like The Killer Gone Girl. I want to 230 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,240 rewatch that one because I remember seeing it and enjoying 231 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:11,120 that one Panic Room. I did not realize that was 232 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,679 a Fincher movie, but I always remember, like I really 233 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,759 really enjoyed that one. 234 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 6: That was a good, good one. But yeah, this one 235 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,919 is yeah, interesting it's. 236 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,039 Speaker 5: I I have questions. 237 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 6: I'm like you didn't. 238 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: I got questions about certain things, and I had to 239 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,799 do some googling when I got to the end of it, 240 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,879 because I was sure about just the motivations for what 241 00:10:36,919 --> 00:10:39,320 they were trying to accomplish, whether or not it was 242 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,480 it seems like it's kind of split down the middle 243 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,399 between it was trying to make him a better person 244 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,279 versus him trying to come to a realization of his 245 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,960 father's suicide. And maybe if you could even argue it's 246 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,240 one of the same journey, it depends on your perspective 247 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:54,919 of this, I guess. 248 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 6: So there's a lot going on. I just there's a 249 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:00,240 lot of tom foolery. 250 00:10:59,799 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 5: Going on this movie, and that made me think, oh, 251 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,720 this is you know, Kirkland would be doing some tom 252 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,600 filler if he and if you run of the company 253 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:07,799 he's he's fucking around doing I'm gonna come to. 254 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: You like Sean Penn one day. 255 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,639 Speaker 1: I feel like I've many done this to Taylor a 256 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,399 couple of times in his life, like man, him, think 257 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:17,919 one thing's happening and it's not happening, you know, Like 258 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:19,480 I've gone to his. 259 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,159 Speaker 5: Family ambulance and allously, everyone leaves and I'm just stuck 260 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,200 at an elevator, shut off the experience here, you know. 261 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:32,039 Speaker 6: Yeah, But I mean that at its core, I I did. 262 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 5: I have a good had a good time just with 263 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:36,440 the the adventure and seeing what Michael Douglas had to 264 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,799 overcome and what he had to do. 265 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:39,799 Speaker 1: But uh, I. 266 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,039 Speaker 5: Don't know if I'm necessarily gonna race to rewatch this 267 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,759 anytime soon, but I'm glad to say that I've I've 268 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,159 been able to watch it because I think it's it's 269 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:50,840 I recommend that I think it's. 270 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 6: Worth the watch. 271 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 5: There's some really cool scenes in here, some really trippy 272 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,480 ones and whatnot, and just yeah, some cool ideas that 273 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,519 you know, it's it's one thing if you put in 274 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,440 a script, when you actually put it down and you 275 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:04,039 actually get to act it out and see it on 276 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,559 the screen, it's it's a whole other thing. So I 277 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,039 like what they were what they did with this, and 278 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,960 I think it's at its core they. 279 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:10,279 Speaker 3: Try to. 280 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 6: Give you, or at least put like a happy spin 281 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:16,559 on this. 282 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 5: Just this guy who's super rich and life is just 283 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,600 so and whatever, and. 284 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,799 Speaker 6: It's just going through the motions. 285 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:29,039 Speaker 5: And I think for people to have a lot of 286 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:32,559 money in this position at least this guy where life 287 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,679 is just very much blah, And there's this idea in 288 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,399 this concept of like, hey, this is something that's going 289 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,720 to be a little bit spontaneous, like and I'll give 290 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:41,080 it a try. And I like how he kind of 291 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,559 disregards it, but then he kind of gets involved with 292 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,960 it and tries to see what it's like. But even 293 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,159 when the first part where he's in there and it's 294 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,840 just doing the whole like testing thing, and it's just 295 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:53,120 such an inconvenience that sets the stage and you kind 296 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,519 of just tell like, Okay, this is just going to 297 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:57,240 be such a this is the game you're setting upfore 298 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,799 you can already you know that this is just going 299 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,480 to be a nightmare moving forward. But I mean, well 300 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:04,399 evens to be like really nightmeric. 301 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: Even to the point, like I love the little detail 302 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,639 they turn him down and when he talks to his brother, 303 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,000 he's like, yeah, actually, I h I got time for 304 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:13,480 this game. I'm sorry, thanks for the president all, but 305 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,440 I'm not really gonna go look into it. Like it's 306 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,759 just like he's just so egotistically he didn't want any 307 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,639 he had no interest in this present to begin with, 308 00:13:21,919 --> 00:13:23,759 and then when it says, oh, he can't have it, 309 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,919 that's the good verse psychology of the test, you know. 310 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,320 So Kirkham Patser, why are we talking about the game 311 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:33,159 today here in July twenty twenty. 312 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: Five, twenty five. Well, it's a couple of days earlier than. 313 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,759 Speaker 1: Almost a thirty year old movie. 314 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, crazy, I'm almost a thirty year old man. And 315 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,879 that makes sense because this this movie has a lot 316 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,320 of origin tales to my film Journey. I feel like, Travis, 317 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,639 you make the comparison of like Goodfellas being like your 318 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,759 film that got you into cinema, and just like you know, 319 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,639 same diff Julian, I only told the. 320 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: Story like a dozen times. 321 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:08,399 Speaker 4: Sorry, man, I wasn't listening, But yeah, I I I 322 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,399 attribute a big like I think, which is what my 323 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,080 likes are in general, with whether it's like movies or 324 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:19,120 just history games things like that to my dad, and like, 325 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,279 I feel like the mind Bendi genre of films like 326 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,480 has like just always been a deep, uh just appreciation 327 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:30,360 that I have when it comes to to films, not 328 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,559 so much of like after I watch my Bendy movie, 329 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,320 this one being like my first exposure to it, I'm like, 330 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,799 oh my god, like cinema, I'm gonna I'm gonna start 331 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:40,360 writing scripts now, you know, going on to the Travis 332 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,799 Snell route. But like it just made me think about 333 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,120 movies in a different way. Like I used to just 334 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,240 eye candy, you know, action movies, and it's just like 335 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,759 as long as there's moving action set pieces on, like 336 00:14:51,759 --> 00:14:54,080 I'm gonna enjoy it. Like this was like I'm gonna 337 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,679 actually sit down and be fully invested with what's going 338 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,320 on with the dialogue and like looking for details and 339 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,519 then getting to the end and just being like what 340 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,960 the fuck that I just watched and very much had 341 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,840 that the first time I saw this. Me and my sister, 342 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,360 yeah watched it I think together or she watched it. 343 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:14,519 Then we watched it together afterwards, but something something along 344 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:18,000 those lines. So like really early exposure to this movie, 345 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,960 which clearly went completely over my head as a young kid. 346 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,000 There's just so much like especially at the end when 347 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,759 like everything's just being like unraveled to you. It's interesting though, 348 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:34,679 how you guys were mentioning like okay, like they really 349 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:36,840 set it up in a way that you can piece 350 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:41,159 together kind of what is happening and on like more 351 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,200 recent viewings. Now, I mean, obviously I knew what the 352 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,159 ending was, so I'm not really surprised by it, But 353 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,840 I just appreciate kind of their attempts to like throw 354 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,799 like wrenches in the cogs on like it's okay, like okay, 355 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,480 I definitely know what's happening here, but then they like 356 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:59,799 explain something a little bit, like later on when they 357 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,080 they say that he is like a real gun and 358 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,919 it's like, Okay, I know this is a facade. It's 359 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:06,039 been a ficau the whole time, but it's like, holy fuck, 360 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,039 he actually might have a real gun here. And like 361 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:13,080 I just those little moments, like there's just different iterations 362 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:15,720 of like fucking with you, and it does get to 363 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,639 the point where like, Okay, nothing's real, like this is 364 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:19,480 after like even when he after he jumps, it's like, 365 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:21,639 is are they still fucking with him here? Like I 366 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:23,679 feel like if I would be in that situation, I 367 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,399 might just be permanently mentally fucked because I'm just always 368 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:29,960 thinking the whole world, you know, it's like a Truman 369 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,759 Show situation. So but no, I think on more recent viewings, 370 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:38,240 I've just been able to appreciate the acting definitely like 371 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,360 Michael Douglas is just he's just such a killer of 372 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,000 a lead. And I think this role in particular is 373 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,440 just such a great highlight for him because he I mean, 374 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:49,000 he's he's our main centerpiece, but he just goes on 375 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,399 such a wild ride and from where he is in 376 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,480 the beginning of the film to the end and everywhere 377 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:55,879 in between, like he's just bringing it one hundred percent, 378 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:59,039 whether it's him being super stressed, him being just that 379 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:03,039 total like rich, snobby douchebag that he's in the like, 380 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,759 like he's just so great. I think the score in 381 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:08,319 the soundtrack is like such a highlight for me too, 382 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,319 something that's really hit me in recent viewings. It's just 383 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,720 such a great like mysterious vibe. There's a certain theme 384 00:17:16,519 --> 00:17:18,079 I can't I don't know what it's called, but it 385 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,000 just comes in numerous times throughout the film and it's just, 386 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:23,920 I don't know, it just just sets you in that 387 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,240 like dour mood and like Travisy Mitchell is just like 388 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:31,359 the look of what this film has, Like it pairs 389 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,640 so well with the soundtrack that they have in there. 390 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:36,960 But no, I think the main reason why I picked 391 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,759 to today is just because, Yeah, like this was like 392 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,000 the main pillar on like my enjoyment for those twisty 393 00:17:43,079 --> 00:17:46,359 genre whether it's I mean, like twelve Monkeys. That was 394 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,799 another one my dad showed me as a as a 395 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,319 younger kid, one that definitely I needed like multiple viewings of. 396 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,319 But like to today, like when I when I have 397 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,440 a movie like that, like Tenant Man, I've seen that 398 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,440 movie like twenty times, I feel and I still don't 399 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,880 understand it fully, but like fuck, I just enjoy it 400 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,039 more and more I watch it. Source Code would be 401 00:18:05,079 --> 00:18:07,759 another one. Out shout out Looper. You know we we 402 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,799 we did a retro on that one, so where it 403 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:13,519 was in our retro series. But yeah, I I just 404 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:17,079 have such a there yougo, Golden Geese, That's what it was. 405 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:20,319 I just have a yeah, a certain love for that 406 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,640 genre of films and this was like the main setting 407 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,400 point for it. And uh also back in the day 408 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,279 when you know, we would acquire a movie legally for sure, 409 00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:32,480 but then we would have it on a blank disc. 410 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:35,559 For some reason, my dad wrote the game on it 411 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:38,640 and then he drew the clown face on the disc itself, 412 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,799 and like, I mean, I never liked clowns, but that 413 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,960 was just so terrifying flipping through the giant like binder 414 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,240 of DVDs and you just see that clown face there, 415 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,640 like that just ingrained in my head. 416 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,039 Speaker 1: You're gonna put it in. Michael Douglas Cann start talking. 417 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:54,640 You're like, so, Kirkling, yea, oh. 418 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: My god, what the fucking whim ship talking to me? 419 00:18:59,599 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think you're talking about like a couple 420 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:03,759 beats back where you're talking about some of the things 421 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:05,799 they do for the Truckerer. I think what does make 422 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:08,480 this movie more enjoyable for me versus the route they 423 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,480 could have went is like continually throughout the movie, Michael 424 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,920 Douglas thinks the game is happening, but doesn't know exactly 425 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,160 when and when it was, because either you could have 426 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,799 done like a twist where that interview goes wrong and 427 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:23,480 then they never say anything about the game. That's the 428 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:25,359 end of this, right, that all was all game the 429 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,839 whole time. He didn't know, or like after act one 430 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,720 you could have dropped it and then it could have 431 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,720 went into like the because there's a scene where he 432 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,160 falls asleep and then once he wakes up it's the 433 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,039 next day and he's kind of just doing like his 434 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,279 real life stuff for a while, right, Like it's just 435 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,200 back to like regular life, so same thing. There's a 436 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,319 couple of times they could have dropped the game aspect 437 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:45,079 and just try to play it out, but it would 438 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:47,720 have not worked, especially if this guy who's supposed to be, 439 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,799 even though he's an asshole, everyone says, you know, very intelligent, 440 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,359 very smart, very witty shit like in this one too, right, 441 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,640 there's like little key chains of a dolt and he's 442 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,880 picking it up. So clearly they've written in me a 443 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,680 character that is cogniz of a lot of things that 444 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,119 other people might not be looking out for. So that's 445 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,400 where I enjoy that. The whole time, he's kind of 446 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,640 he's always going back and forth if it's the game, 447 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,640 And I think what I like the most about this 448 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,440 is that what the you know, I never thought it 449 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,119 was not going to be the game. I think there's 450 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,640 there's the tail two endings because I think that more 451 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,880 shocky ending is him a shooting champenn and it's not 452 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,359 the game, And I don't know what route is better 453 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,119 that way because that would have been something different. But 454 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,519 in the third act, I like that they turn the 455 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,200 game into all this. It was a game, but now 456 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,720 they just use it to fraud you, you know, like 457 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,240 that's so I'm trying to do a twist within the twist. 458 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,039 So I like that being the twist that Okay, actually 459 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:36,240 we're not frauds. It is still the game. But I 460 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,160 like that portion of, oh, yeah, this thing we signed 461 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,240 it up for, actually they're just taking your money and 462 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,480 all this stuff, And so I appreciate all the little 463 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,519 things they put in there too. Yeah, change it up 464 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:47,400 a little bit, because you could easily just try and 465 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,400 make it a whole twist. This movie would have been 466 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:50,480 much lesser for it. 467 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. And I think a real 468 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,039 big key thing that they do, like they make the 469 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:00,440 decision early on, is that he actually interact with some 470 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,920 people that went through the game, like obviously Sean Penn did, 471 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,920 but you but like, yeah, like when he's at like 472 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,400 the country club whatever it is, and those guys talking 473 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,880 about it, and it's like, Okay, clearly these guys aren't defrauded, 474 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,799 they're not dead. So then during the adventure you kind 475 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,599 of have that in the back of your mind of like, kay, 476 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,640 people like this can't just be a scam or like 477 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,920 they're actually out to murder him or something. But like 478 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,720 if you don't have that sequence at the start of 479 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,720 the film, you could just think that's what it is, 480 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:26,480 like like what you said, trav is like the version 481 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:28,279 of the story where they are just defrauding him and 482 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:31,480 this is just terrorists after him or something like it. 483 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:33,920 Like it's just an action movie at that point. And 484 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,759 then you could get to the end and he shoots 485 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:38,039 Sean Penn and it's just like a total mind fucking 486 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,000 that sense. But I love how it's okay, no, like 487 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,759 we we know that this is a game, you know, 488 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:47,880 no punit or whatever it is, but like like there's 489 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,839 like a structure, like, hey, there's gonna be a start, 490 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,079 there's gonna be an end, even though it ramps up 491 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,039 so much to the like by the end that he's 492 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,759 just questioning everything. He goes to their facility, sees all 493 00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:59,960 the actors enjoying their lunch, and he's just like they're 494 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,759 with a gun. But like, I don't know, like a 495 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,319 lot of the movie goes on. Maybe you're not thinking 496 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:06,119 about that earlier portion of the film, but like still 497 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,119 that's in the back of your mind of like there 498 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:12,519 is something that's gonna be revealed here. I'm you know, 499 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,680 I'm sure some people maybe weren't as affected by the 500 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,920 twists as much as others, But I just appreciate that 501 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:19,799 so much more because they throw so many little curve 502 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,160 balls at you along the adventure of Like, Okay, I 503 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,160 know that this is a trick, but like, this is 504 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,720 still fooling me even though I know that it is 505 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,279 a trick. So I totally appreciate that. Again, just on 506 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,559 more and more rewatches. 507 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 2: Where is this in your Fincher ranking? I think you've 508 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,559 seen a lot more of his movies than. 509 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I mean, it has the most nostalgia for me. 510 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,000 Like Fight Club, that was another early exposure to my 511 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,519 dad showed me, but like I it didn't like hit 512 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:52,960 me in the same way that this one did because 513 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,680 it just this one blew my mind, Like I just 514 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,519 couldn't believe all the twists and turn that we had 515 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,039 as a as a youth member of the youths. The 516 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,480 Fight Club was just like a badass movie more so, 517 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,920 but it didn't like stick on to my bones, you know, 518 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,559 my spinal cords. Like this movie is, I mean, Gone 519 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:12,359 Girl's phenomenal film, but I really haven't rewatched it that much. 520 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,039 No Country and Old Man I think will always be 521 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:14,640 my number one. 522 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:16,799 Speaker 1: They didn't direct that one. 523 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 524 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:21,039 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm crossing over to the Coen Brothers 525 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,799 like we did two reviews tonight or something. 526 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: My god, I'd love to see that girl. That'd be 527 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,200 a fun cast to pick the flip movies like the 528 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,759 co like Man bo I'd love to see Dave Fincher 529 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,559 do the Big Lebowski. I'd love to see the Coen 530 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,039 Brothers do the Game because the game would all be 531 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:44,200 like yeah, like do like uh like all that the 532 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,799 Bowling Alley conversation but it's all like with the rich 533 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,599 white assholes and they're like I love the game. Yeah, 534 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,640 the game, And then like the big O'boosi's mystery is 535 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640 like gone, girl level works. It's like where is this briefcase? 536 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,359 Like I would love I would love to see that universe. 537 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: Never mind then, so I don't know, I'd have to. 538 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,720 I'd have to look at them all because like direct 539 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:11,000 I've seen, but like it's ninety six of TV shows. 540 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 3: And music videos like music videos and. 541 00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Death love death and robots, but still quite a quite 542 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,279 a bit of stuff. So, Zodiac, did you ever see Zodiac. 543 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:19,440 That's another great one too. 544 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah with uh downies in that one, right I did. Yeah, 545 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:27,039 that sounds like it has. 546 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,279 Speaker 3: A good mystery to it. 547 00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:31,759 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's was my man, it's just my genre 548 00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:33,920 of films. I gotta watch more of them. 549 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had lots of music videos. 550 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: My god. Yeah, we've we've definitely done been down this 551 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,720 road before. 552 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: Is this the one that did oed toilette or something 553 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,960 with Timothy Timothy s Or is that Scorsese's. 554 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:48,279 Speaker 1: Show me or sorry, that's Scorsese. We know it's right 555 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,400 and fuck as I hit the upcoming. This guy's directing 556 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,359 The Adventures of Clibb boof totally for we're literally getting 557 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,680 what we just talked about, the whole like swapping a thing. 558 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,640 You're getting a Tarantino movie in the world of and 559 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,119 he wrote the script. But Fincher's doing that, which I've 560 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,319 said before. We'll see I'm the camp of Like, this 561 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,559 is gonna be a while, like to me, very different styles. 562 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:10,960 So that's that's interesting. So we'll be talking about that 563 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359 next year, I guess. So we've talked about Fincher again. 564 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to pick you know, the expert's 565 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,119 brains on this in terms of like I think me 566 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,640 and Taylor have some of the maybe some of the 567 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,839 similar questions of like the rules of all this and 568 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,240 like how because like you know, obviously there is like 569 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,000 a like a big part of the start point is 570 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:34,920 like once he's gone through like that, the physical examination. 571 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,200 But it's like, I don't, like, technically the game could 572 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,680 have started long before that, right, because it's not like 573 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,640 he actually went to their offices, like they're legitimate, actual 574 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,079 HQ offices to like do all this setup. It's like 575 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,839 it's not like his brother actually did a game prior 576 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,200 and like has been part of it previously, right, Like 577 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,480 that's just all kind of a setup for it. But 578 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,119 when you throw in character traps, you seem to be 579 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,279 maybe I think. 580 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: Sean Penn has done a game before. Maybe I wouldn't 581 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,920 commit to that. 582 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: Personally, because because even Kirk, when you said that earlier, 583 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,200 when you were talking about the other guys at the 584 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,519 club talking about it, like I just saw those guys 585 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:11,920 more as plants, Like I don't think. 586 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: They've actually done it either. 587 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what you were saying, that 588 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:16,640 you think they have or haven't done it before. 589 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 4: I took it that they have gamed in the past. 590 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,200 But yeah, it's tough because I think. 591 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: Did game. Yeah, I took it both ways, because the. 592 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: Game has like, well, I I took it as he 593 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,480 doesn't he's not like super wealthy. 594 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 6: Kids just for family money. 595 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Right, and because remember at the end he was more 596 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,920 of the super wealthy. 597 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: Well, I guess yeah, I would be like they have. 598 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: I think he just took the role of his dad 599 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,599 essentially when his dad past, and then Sean was just 600 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,960 like the failure of a of a son. Yeah, trust fund, 601 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,240 yeah exactly, he's got those yeah. 602 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Because at the end when he which I love, 603 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,920 they give Michael Douglas the bill, he's well, i'll pay 604 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240 for it. Oh my god, he's and then and then 605 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,319 Seanpinn's like, I'll take calf and he's like, oh, thank you. 606 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,519 So I think it is just yeah, where I think 607 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,400 I think Sean Penn is very rich, where I think 608 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240 Michael Douglas is wealthy. There's a difference between the two, 609 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,920 and I think that's what it is. And that's why 610 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,640 I like with the men you don't really know, because 611 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,920 it's perfect setup of Sean Penn talked about the game, 612 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,160 and then these guys talk about later but at the 613 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,039 same time because they at the end, once it's all 614 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,119 revealed established that they are this massive, very rich corporation. 615 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,839 I would buy that other people have done it right, 616 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,359 and they have other clients out there, and I'm not 617 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,200 sure if they would say not to talk about it, 618 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:40,599 or if you talk about it, just keep it to 619 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,799 the game. Don't give them any details because it just 620 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,799 risks somebody a getting drunk and maybe spoiling some stuff, right, Like, Okay, 621 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,279 they're gonna ruin your life, but don't worry, it's gonna 622 00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,160 pay off for you. So that when I go either 623 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,440 way on But the Sean Penn, for some reason, I 624 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,039 feel like he maybe did the game because he was 625 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,640 when he said the reason he got it for, Douglas 626 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,319 was like, oh, you're turning an ass, so I couldn't 627 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,680 let that happen. Kind of made me think that maybe 628 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,160 he was on a path. And I don't know who 629 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,200 paid for Penn's game, but you know, I digress. 630 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,799 Speaker 2: Probably I just feel like everything is scripted down to 631 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,960 like like and talking about like even when he goes 632 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,720 to the office, the fake office, and they're like, oh, yeah, 633 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,720 your brother he's you know, like one of our top 634 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:19,920 members or whatever they like say say something like that, 635 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,920 which would like make him jealous potentially, Like I want 636 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,119 to like up one at my. 637 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 4: City was like top rated or something in this score. 638 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is like I don't that doesn't mean anything, right, 639 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,680 Like it's all like I feel like everything is so 640 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,119 precisely picked to like fuck with this guy. That's where 641 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,680 I wonder, like, yeah, did this game start when they 642 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,039 did the physical or did it start much earlier than that? 643 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,920 And then I'm like spiraling out of like man, what's 644 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,519 up with Like is this act? Is this person actually 645 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:45,480 his wife? Or has this been an actor for like 646 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,400 twenty years or like you know, because he's throwing like 647 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,279 the random housekeeper lady or you know, like this coworker 648 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,359 guy that he's like yelling at and stuff like how 649 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,680 long have these people been in on it? And like, man, 650 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,279 it seems like a lot of trust to put into 651 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:02,039 random people they are not in on it like for 652 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,160 the long con. You know, like if you're just asking 653 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720 random people to be expert actors and no one's gonna 654 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,400 crack when they see that he's like taking like his wife, 655 00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,039 you know, seeing that he's taken all this like physical damage, 656 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:14,720 and he's gone through this crazy shit, Like maybe she 657 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,079 would break in that moment, but there's just like so 658 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,440 much that has to go right, and it makes me 659 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:20,680 question a lot of the people that are involved in it. 660 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,119 Speaker 1: Before you go, Kirkland, I feel like there's a show 661 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480 you watch this year, Dylan that might make this experience 662 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,200 a bit more believable. What have you watched this year 663 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,319 that we quite enjoyed? 664 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: Tell me? 665 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:35,039 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, someone like a man, man 666 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,319 like Nathan Fielder, he would absolutely do if he had 667 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,079 the billion dollars funds, Like the rehearsal and the things 668 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,759 he does to me like many versions and you're like, oh, 669 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,880 trusting all these actors, but like when he like that's 670 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,440 a small version, but when he like build the whole 671 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,839 airport and he like fires fifty actors, like you watch 672 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000 the baggage first and you watch the airport person Like 673 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240 that's like a joke version of that. But that's where 674 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,319 I think this is like operating on like the what 675 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,039 if someone bank rolled this into like a career, you 676 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,680 know sort of deal. So whoever's running the the c 677 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,160 R A CRP whatever that I can't remember that the 678 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,519 c R s it's it's a it's a dark Nathan 679 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:13,920 Fielder in my opinion, you know. 680 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: I could see that. 681 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Dylane's frozen. 682 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,359 Speaker 4: Okay, he was just staring you down. 683 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,519 Speaker 1: Because you. 684 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:31,079 Speaker 7: Yeah, because you're just you're like most yeah you know 685 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,599 you're good now. Yeah yeah, I explained all that, but 686 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,079 you frozen, like the most serious look, and I was like, wow, 687 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:37,680 I guess this is not a good take at all 688 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,519 for Dylan, like bring Nathan Filder. 689 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,279 Speaker 1: Like, but it's like no emotion, like you're like offended. 690 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,799 I even talk about Nathan Filder, but then it's. 691 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,559 Speaker 3: A good take. But I don't. 692 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,279 Speaker 2: I don't know if it helps me believe these questions 693 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,519 I have about this movie. I yes to talk about 694 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,799 like some of the like they're basically extras, right, which 695 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,160 would have been like his ex wife and like other 696 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,279 characters that he's in act with, I think his lawyer 697 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,799 at some point, Samuel. 698 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,559 Speaker 4: I honestly don't believe they knew about what was going 699 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,480 like at least some of them didn't know what was 700 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,519 going on until the party, because like Elizabeth, when he 701 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:13,920 sees her and like he takes her car, like, I 702 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,160 don't think she actually knows anything that's going on. But 703 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,480 then like CRS just invites them all to his birthday 704 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,440 party at the end, and then like just because there's 705 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,640 so many of the extras, I definitely have like a 706 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,680 certain level of suspending my you know, disbelief to an 707 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,319 extent with this because it's just like, how would this 708 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,319 actually works? Well, this is pretty Internet, so like after 709 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,440 Internet this would be impossible because everybody would just be 710 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,759 talking about it. But like back then, even just like 711 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,559 the logistics of how this all works, it just doesn't 712 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,640 really make sense with them posing his officers like in 713 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,240 in day to day or whatever it might be if 714 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,079 fake cops in this. But at least to a certain 715 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,559 extent of those extras, I truly believe that they were 716 00:31:57,599 --> 00:31:59,119 like they just didn't know, and then they got the 717 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,039 invite at the end to go to Nicholas's party and 718 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,440 that's what it was all revealed, and they're like holy shit, 719 00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:04,680 like what is going on? 720 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, because we never get that, we never like the 721 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,400 white the ex wife then never says like oh this 722 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,599 experience like I heard about was so happy, like she's 723 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,440 just there right, which I because I'm not like a 724 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,799 huge connoisseur of the we watched. I want to ask, 725 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,039 is that kid Michael Douglas is at the end? 726 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:28,119 Speaker 4: No, that's her husband, next husband's current husband, current husband. 727 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that always struck me weird. It's like they meet 728 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,000 up and you know, find that that's cool. He got 729 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,799 a good relationship because they earlier. See she says by 730 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,039 to the kid and stuff. But this guy is holding 731 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:42,839 his own daughter. And you got this this ex husband 732 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,920 who at this point I'm assuming not good things, right 733 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,119 because when Michael Douglas does his experience, the next time 734 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,920 you see his ex wife like I screwed up. I'm 735 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,759 sorry about the person I was like, sounds like they 736 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,599 had a terrible ending this marriage. He didn't handle it 737 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,079 well right, So I'm sure this husband's heard nothing but 738 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000 bad things. So he's holding his daughter, his own flashblove daughter. 739 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,279 A god Douglas walks up does their sweet dreams like 740 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,640 I'm gonna I'm gonna get the car like that's why 741 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,200 it's like, oh is this Like did I read that wrong? 742 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,480 And they have a kid together and that because that 743 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,680 would make sense. Im okay, the new husband the kids 744 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,640 that sleeps holding your child, but you're gonna say so, 745 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,319 it felt very strange for him to caress the child 746 00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,119 that's not his, who probably much relationship with they've had 747 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,559 a rocky with one. But I just thought about that 748 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,559 today where it's like very oh, but you know, he's 749 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,559 just a happy guy now he's seen a better outlook 750 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,119 on life after this all, you know. So kudos to 751 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,759 the cr S and Sean Penn for the idea. 752 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't take it too too much to 753 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,079 that level. I thought the weirdest part about that was 754 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880 him and his ex wife just smacked on the lips. 755 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: Very calm back then. Though, I feel like I feel 756 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,640 like that died the two thousands. I feel like there's 757 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,319 tons of like you. 758 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:55,279 Speaker 4: Kiss, started macking with your ex with your fucking next 759 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,720 right there, and. 760 00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: Hex extra life is gonna be wild. But no, like, yeah, 761 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,960 I feel like that was that died on the two thousands. 762 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:03,920 Don't know why, but. 763 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,519 Speaker 4: Just commenting on the relationship, I don't think it was 764 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,760 like like a hateful breakup. I think it was just 765 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,639 like he was so preoccupied with it being a winner. 766 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,800 That's like, Okay, this isn't going to work. Like he's 767 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:18,960 only focused on his career and then they just just 768 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,760 I mean, like she calls him on his birthday, like 769 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,480 it's not like fuck you, you're dead to me, I'm 770 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,400 never talking to you again, that type of thing. 771 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: Maybe that ex maybe the current has some stuff to 772 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,199 worry about. Then I don't know, maybe it's a reverse 773 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,360 of that just felt the thing. 774 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 4: In the nineties, you know, it died in the two thousands. 775 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess then, Kirkling, are you saying that 776 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:41,639 your theory is that like the only personal like personal 777 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,760 connection that he has in the movie that is an 778 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,159 actor I guess would be his brother. 779 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 4: Then yeah, I think so, because Samuel his lawyer, which 780 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,280 is like his number two guy, like for business wise 781 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:55,679 before in the game at the end, he's like, I 782 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,599 have no idea what's going on. But that was quite 783 00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,800 the intence he made, like he drops that line and 784 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,639 he was actually they're interacting with the fake detectives when 785 00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,440 they go to the CRS with him, so like he 786 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:06,599 was fully. 787 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,159 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of a moment when he would 788 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,800 be talking about like the empty bank accounts or something 789 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,760 is like obviously they will well. 790 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,280 Speaker 4: Know because he he looks into it, calls Michael Douglas 791 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,920 and it's like everything's there, like like I don't know, 792 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,320 I don't know what you're talking about it, so that 793 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000 links up. I think it's mostly like anyone that would 794 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,960 have been in the CRS building when he was well, Actually, no, 795 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,079 never mind, because that would have been a facade too, 796 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,159 because because there you see a lot of the actors, 797 00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,480 like you see some fake cops, you see the fake detectives, 798 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,239 you see people that he's interacted with on the journey 799 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,280 so far up until that point. You don't see them 800 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,559 all obviously because Depen's not there. 801 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,119 Speaker 1: I also think if you got the family in on it, 802 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,320 it's a risk for some of them could break or 803 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,920 also they just you can't assume everyone in the person's 804 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,559 life would be good actors, right, Like it's a huge leap. 805 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960 But like, let's say everybody that the CRS is hired 806 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,239 are just like top tier thespians. You know, they're non movies, 807 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,480 but they're top their class actors found you know, the 808 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,960 Fielder method again, Dylan, but with the family, like they 809 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,800 might not be able to hit the cue of like okay, 810 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,039 cry on this, you know, cry away away or be 811 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:14,039 this man stuff. So other than the brother like, which 812 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:16,519 I agree, and he seems like he's probably a little 813 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,039 messed up too, so he's kind of down for it, 814 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,519 but he doesn't even That's like a pro and con 815 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,599 for me, because my con is I wish we got 816 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,079 more at the Brother. So I guess my reroute of 817 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:28,559 that is I wish we got more of him the 818 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:30,519 brother before the game starts, because I think that's the 819 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,559 reason you don't get him much in the game, because 820 00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,039 they have the meeting, he gives them the gift, and 821 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:36,480 then the next time you see him is that car 822 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,360 scene when they had the falling out, which I really 823 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,039 love that scene. I love because I've seen families at 824 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,119 that moment where not not not in the game since, 825 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,480 but when they're yelling in the streets and talking about like, oh, 826 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:48,400 I didn't ask you to play dad. But then Michael 827 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,280 Douglas just gets up. He's like, I fucking had to, Like, clearly, 828 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,719 they'll just give you all the backstory there of same thing, 829 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,239 like the dad goes away and he just steps in 830 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,079 the role where he didn't really want to, but to 831 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,400 kind of keep him and his brother a fat he 832 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,599 chose to do that because they in anyway many times 833 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:05,440 Champan's kind of like a yeah, not screw up a 834 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480 trust fund baby, you know, fly on the seat of 835 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,920 his hands. Yeah right, yeah exactly. So that's where I like, 836 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,760 all that boils up there. So that's where I always go, Oh, 837 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,840 I wish I got more of that at the same 838 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,719 point where maybe because he's not an act tour, it's like, hey, 839 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,000 we're you can only interact with him once during the 840 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:21,679 game other than the end with the bottle, but he 841 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,039 just has to lay there, right, So I do agree 842 00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,320 with Kirkland's method that I think that it is probably 843 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,320 the the real life people other than the brother don't 844 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,760 have anything to go on, which is what a wild 845 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,559 situation that be if, like, you know, Emily were to 846 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,599 invite you guys to like my fortieth birthday and you 847 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,320 just see me, You just see me falling down from 848 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,000 the fucking roof, landing on like this this big mattress 849 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,599 and stuff like that. Yeah yeah, so what a while 850 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,679 away for even the ex wife and stuff like all 851 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,199 those situations. But yeah, yeah, what's. 852 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: Your theory, tailor, Like, do you do you how many 853 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,199 of these people you see being in on in on 854 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,800 it versus just kind of all there for the reveal. 855 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 5: I wanted to believe that the lady waitress who kind 856 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,280 of becomes like the friend on this journey was Yeah, 857 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,199 it was not like like a part of it was 858 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,679 like was genuine. But as things went on and the 859 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,480 fact too, like I already talked about this scene, but 860 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,840 the fact that we got all these officers and paramedics 861 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480 just disappearing all being in on I thought, what the fuck? 862 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 3: Okay, at this point. 863 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,519 Speaker 6: Of the game, at this this stage, everyone. 864 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,599 Speaker 5: And anyone and could be could be in on it. 865 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,480 I mean, you have government workers that are doing it. 866 00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,880 And at first it didn't click because I thought, okay, 867 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,239 like these are official government workers that are doing this, 868 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,119 But then I thought, no. 869 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 6: Okay, they got to be just people of the game. 870 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 5: And you don't know because someone's gonna like put something down, 871 00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:51,280 or you bump into someone and then you're missing your keys, 872 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,559 you got a fucking different briefcase lock or something like. 873 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:58,440 It's just a whole bunch of fucking, you know, fuck 874 00:38:58,480 --> 00:38:59,920 around gang shit going. 875 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 4: On, right, So there's just so many cuss words. 876 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,159 Speaker 6: I don't know. 877 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 5: I don't really know how many people I would cap off, 878 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,440 and I did not expect to. 879 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 3: With the brother. 880 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 5: I didn't expect him to be, Like, I know he 881 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,320 was the guy who put this game into the ethert 882 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,760 here with with Michael Douglas, but I wasn't expecting him 883 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,280 to kind of. I guess it comes full circle at 884 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,320 the end obviously when you see what the game is 885 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,320 and with Michael Douglas having like fake shot and having 886 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,320 fake killed him. But uh, yeah, I don't know. It 887 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,760 just when you have this kind of shit going on, 888 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,119 you think even the two people they're laughing in the alleyways, 889 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,280 Michael Douglas like jumps off the fucking like fire escape 890 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,000 and lands and the dumpster and they're watching him. Maybe 891 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,119 you just think, Okay, are they in on it too? 892 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:49,159 I don't know, Like it's just everyone is at the 893 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,920 right time and the right place for where Michael Douglas 894 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,239 is like dying in that or dying on the street 895 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,239 and all that. 896 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,639 Speaker 1: Right, the dog is that dog train actor, you know 897 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:00,000 at one point dog runs after my. 898 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 6: It has to be a part of it. Sure that definitely. 899 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 4: Sent by the CRS patrolman, Like, yeah, one hundred percent, 900 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,239 it would be an actor. I feel like like majority 901 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,199 of the people, I mean, it might not work for 902 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239 the amount of people he does interact with, but like 903 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:18,639 on the path of like him and Christine just going 904 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:20,639 through the game, I feel like most of the people 905 00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,360 they interact are actors or people like because like they're 906 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,400 clearly guiding him on a route, right, Like when Conrad 907 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,519 is having that argument with him and he's like looking 908 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,519 back three times to make sure that he's following him, 909 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,800 It's like, Okay, I think I think he wants him 910 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,119 to follow him. I think everybody that's in on the 911 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:40,840 game wants him to follow him. So yeah, but I 912 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,039 mean it's tough to say because you don't fully know, 913 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,320 and I think that's a good decision. Is like they 914 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,159 don't fully explain all of that. Obviously that can be 915 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,559 a con to some people, but I think it's I 916 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,880 think it's fun. Like I I like how you don't 917 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,000 know how expensive this is, because it must be incredibly 918 00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,519 expensive to just have all these moving pieces. 919 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are questions that are fun to talk about, 920 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:03,920 but not that you'd want to answer because then. 921 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,199 Speaker 4: It was like the full fiction briefcase thing, right for sure. 922 00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, then I thought I had like a pretty lock 923 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,159 tight theory of what was going on here. But now 924 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:13,840 talking with you guys, it's like, Okay, maybe not. And 925 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,599 that's where I think it would be fun to now 926 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,679 rewatch this and reconsider things, because another one that seems 927 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,440 off maybe be like the coworker that he like berates 928 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,039 and fires and it like goes to his house and 929 00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,039 then that guy's like at the end, yeah, that guyn idea. 930 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 4: That guy had no idea what was going on. So 931 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,079 so like when he comes in, he's like fucking nipple, 932 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,320 rings on my nipple and he's just like ripping apart, 933 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,320 like he has annoyedy what's going on? He's just smoking cigars. 934 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,559 Speaker 3: Is he there at the party at the end? 935 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing, right, he gets invited. 936 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 3: Go to that party after what the fuck happened with. 937 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,639 Speaker 4: That was clearly living his best life, Like he didn't 938 00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:51,400 even get phased when he cursed him out in front 939 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,760 of his wife and his daughter. 940 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 2: I just feel like that guy, Like I don't know 941 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,320 because I don't know how much things are really planted 942 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,559 in the office, but it's not like they, you know, 943 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,360 tired everyone in the office, so there must be someone 944 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,840 who's like going in there to like modify things. So 945 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,639 I don't know, maybe that guy was paid off or something. 946 00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:08,519 And it's like he seems like he's been He knew 947 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,440 the guy's father, so he's like he's been around forever, 948 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,280 so obviously wouldn't be like an actor planned. 949 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 4: But listen, that's why I think he wasn't an actor. 950 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,599 Speaker 1: That's why it is in business, that's exactly what happened 951 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:23,760 after the Jurassic World. Uh, what a Fallen Kingdom review. 952 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,559 Tayor walked in said that all of me, but then 953 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,159 you know, we got it done. We figured out the 954 00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,719 review after. In business sometimes you just gotta put some 955 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,519 things aside. But I do shattered me to that extent though, 956 00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,280 because he did work for his father and they talked 957 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,679 about how like bullheaded his dad was. I think it's 958 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,599 just like, ah, he's probably been bitched out many times 959 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,760 by his dad or other people, and it's just like 960 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,719 a type of business, especially in the nineties in the 961 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,199 late eighties that was like a very and I'm not 962 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,519 sure if it's saying that way now, but very stereotype 963 00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:54,639 of like small dick syndrome with those type of people. Yeah, 964 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:56,480 you kind of get used to it, and like I did, 965 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,599 apologies at the end, right, he's like sorry for them. 966 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:02,480 It's understanding that that is my favorite, not my favorite scene, 967 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,239 but my favorite scenario in the movie when he wakes 968 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,239 up and it just this hotel room of dirty photos. 969 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 4: But the Shaem like scene. So I'm not surprised that's 970 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,079 the one. 971 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,599 Speaker 1: No, it's not that, it's a one they should put 972 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,079 Brendan through. Sissy should hire this company and put Brendan 973 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,679 through this scenario disposable income for that. Maybe she'll data guy, 974 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,239 She'll find Sean Penn start dating and be like, hey, 975 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,119 my brother could use the same thing. I would kill 976 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,559 to watch Brendon go through the CRS. Yeah, but no, 977 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,840 it's not the sex stuff. It's the scenario of that, 978 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,400 the drugs, the broken balls. And my favorite thing is 979 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,400 like literally's waking up, this maid opens the door and 980 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,559 he's just like like, oh no, come back later, like 981 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,480 just almost takes off this woman's fingers, but just everything, 982 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,320 because I guarantee you this is a plant too. Like 983 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,440 everything goes wrong where he cuts his hand and he's 984 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440 bleeding everywhere, so he's frantically cleaning. He gets some toylet paper, 985 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,679 throws on a toilet, starts to overfloats, like every single 986 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,320 thing you could imagine is going wrong in this scenario 987 00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,760 and uh yeah, no, I just the hotel because it's 988 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,719 just it wakes up in every bad thing you could 989 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,039 think of of, you know, that could get you arrested 990 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,280 or in trouble or lose your job is in there. 991 00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 3: And toilet's overflowing, and yeah, yeah. 992 00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,639 Speaker 1: I wish back then, like the Apple watchings, I would 993 00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:16,800 love to see like Nicholas Orton's heart rate at that 994 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,760 point when he woke up and saw everything, which I 995 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,719 liked that they refer back to it later on when 996 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,800 they talk about his brother and it's all part of 997 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,800 the game, like, oh, yeah, we had to kick your 998 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,280 brother in the hotel. You the what we mean, while 999 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,280 we've found all the stuff in this hotel. So they 1000 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,280 kind of made it seem like, oh, that's the Seriouses 1001 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,199 way to like blackmail, you're fuck you up as oh, 1002 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,280 like they did that to me, to my whole hotel room, 1003 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,719 and now they did it to my brother where they 1004 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,760 set him up with a bunch of stuff. So they 1005 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,039 do refer back to the hotel room method as like 1006 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,239 a way to kind of mess you up. So I 1007 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,480 like that kind of messing with mister Orton there, So 1008 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:49,840 Ben or good on. 1009 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, one thing, I was surprised that he was 1010 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:59,639 kind of continually fooled by by Christine, just because I 1011 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,000 felt like the fact that like the whole reason he 1012 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,360 was set off after hers because he like got that 1013 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:05,960 note that was like don't. 1014 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,199 Speaker 3: Don't leave her or don't whatever whatever that said. 1015 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 2: So I feel like that would should always be in 1016 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,119 the back of his head of like, oh, yeah, well, 1017 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,679 obviously if this note is here and he's like in 1018 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,159 on this like part of the game, that like, well, 1019 00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:18,800 why why would they tell me to just follow some 1020 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,519 random girl? 1021 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:20,679 Speaker 3: Like she must be part of it? 1022 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 2: But he never really seemed to like pick up on that, 1023 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,599 which was funny, Like that scene later when he's like 1024 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,760 calling his like Swedish bank account or something, and he's 1025 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,960 like clearly giving the password for his account and she's 1026 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,840 just sitting next to him, and then she actually gives 1027 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,119 like this little glare and it's like, God, damn, this 1028 00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,840 guy's really dumb sometimes. But I understand that he's been 1029 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,880 put through laying an immense amount of mental stress, So 1030 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,159 I'm sure a lot of people would not be thinking 1031 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,159 straight in a situation like that. 1032 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:47,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can agree. He could seem a little 1033 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,920 more like he should be sessive everybody. I guess the 1034 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,360 like the dumb answer, which I don't accept as like 1035 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,199 an apology for it, but it's just that. I guess 1036 00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:57,960 he likes her because he does go and ask her 1037 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,760 out at the end, which I do like because I 1038 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,239 even like their dialogue of one she says where she lives, 1039 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,320 and she catches herself lying made conversation tells her where 1040 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,360 he actually lives. But then she's say, oh, you don't 1041 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,440 know anything about me, you don't want my jobs, it 1042 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,599 doesn't matter, which is good because they kind of insinuate 1043 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,360 almost the beginning of the film he would not date 1044 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,719 someone if he didn't know like their class system, Like 1045 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,159 they gotta have to be in his circles or like 1046 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,400 his people to even affiliate with. So when she's like, oh, 1047 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,880 you don't even know what my life's like, Oh, I 1048 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,000 don't care, So the good moment of you know which again, 1049 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,760 like that would be I feel like that one. I 1050 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,519 guess she's not always playing that role. I feel like 1051 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,559 you would probably get asked maybe quite a bit, I 1052 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,760 don't know, because you're trying to like fakely fall in 1053 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,280 love with someone. But I guess for like I guess 1054 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,440 that's where not use a little more. I would like 1055 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,039 to see why she said yes, other than just like 1056 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,119 is because Michael Douglas is like a half decent you know, 1057 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,480 maybe multi a million billionaire or something like that. Yeah 1058 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,599 for coffee, Yeah, I'll go for coffee for sure, but 1059 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,360 would like a little bit more there. But I do 1060 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,719 think they had throughout the movie good chemistry together, whether 1061 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,760 they were opposed or against each other. I like the 1062 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,440 restaurant scene where she you know, accidentally spills stuff on 1063 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,039 which I love. The first act of this movie is 1064 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,280 just his shirt gets sucked up by the tan. His 1065 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,280 shirt gets sucked up by the red wine. Like they're 1066 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,239 putting this man's wardrobe through just the ringer. 1067 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:19,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah. Another thing that I just love in 1068 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,320 this movie is I don't know the actor's name, but 1069 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,239 like the guy that does the test with him, and 1070 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,119 he's like an actor. He sees him on like the 1071 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,480 like it's like a Talent Hall commercial. 1072 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,039 Speaker 1: Later on, his poor ex wife. 1073 00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:37,639 Speaker 4: He's at the zoo with his children, Michael Douglas comes 1074 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:38,360 up with a pistol. 1075 00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:41,719 Speaker 1: I've killed him. 1076 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 4: I just love the ways that he like I imagine it's 1077 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:48,760 part of the evaluation process. But he's just like fucking 1078 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,920 with Michael Douglas from the get go, Like when he 1079 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,639 gets there, he like made him late. Michael Douglas is 1080 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,159 clearly like a very like high strung like everything has 1081 00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,920 to be controlled. But then hees like this guy's late. 1082 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,880 He's making me hold his lunch, you know, like, oh 1083 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,199 you want some lunch, And it's just like so unprofessional 1084 00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:08,440 from his perspective and just kind of catches them off 1085 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,400 guard there and then you know, you'll be in and 1086 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,159 out in like two hours. And then he's there all 1087 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,400 day and like fun, they have like some clockwork orange 1088 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,159 type like tests that they have him going through with 1089 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,599 like the vedeas construction contraction. 1090 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 1: It's like how long is this video that we do 1091 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,920 before this podcast? 1092 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, so I I I don't know. That 1093 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,679 guy's just really good at playing that role and just 1094 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,119 seeming like a very normal individual. Yeah. 1095 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,559 Speaker 2: Do you think those are actually his kids or those actors? 1096 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,039 I think actual kids in this that's. 1097 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: Risky, especially wh Michael Douglas thinks he's a gun, so 1098 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,599 he's just ready to kill anybody. What about all the 1099 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,360 other kids of the aquarium not actors? You know that 1100 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,159 that is that's where a lawsuit could happen. 1101 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 3: But yeah, time hasn't been one yet. I would assume 1102 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,480 based on success, right. 1103 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, or they just make so much money that they 1104 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,039 can afford crazy good lawyers who can get them out 1105 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,320 of this kind of thing. Uh, do you guys, do 1106 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,079 you guys feel like he is gonna actually change after this? Like, 1107 00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,400 do you think going forward, this guy has realized he's 1108 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,519 a piece of shit and he's gonna like kind of 1109 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:23,079 right right the wrongs that he's made in his life, 1110 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,760 and he's gonna be like be a better person. 1111 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 4: I think I think so. It might be a cheesy, 1112 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,840 cheap answer, but I think the way that they, like, 1113 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,119 you know, each game is tailored to the individual very 1114 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800 very very specifically. But like the tie in with the 1115 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,519 dad suicide and like the whole intro to this movie, 1116 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:46,079 like just with the flashback videos, like it's just very 1117 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,440 much tied to that event and it clearly just fucked 1118 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,039 him up in the head. Uh, and then him just 1119 00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,760 being forced in to be the new head van Horton 1120 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,960 Van Horton, Tim Horton Van Orton, Nicholas van Orton, the 1121 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,480 new the new van Orton K get it right? It's 1122 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,159 getting late. Oh my gosh, you're killing my trans thoon. No, 1123 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,440 but no, I think the like the suicide thing is 1124 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,199 just such a big event for him. And I mean, yeah, 1125 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,840 like you know, he could slip. Maybe Christine doesn't call 1126 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880 him back, he starts getting angry again business dealings, he's 1127 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,360 losing a lot of money. Maybe he goes back to 1128 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,159 his old ways. That very much is a possibility. But 1129 00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,920 I just like the version of the story that's like, no, 1130 00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:32,920 it is a life changing thing. It clearly worked for 1131 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,519 Sean Penn. For Conrad, like he was a drug user 1132 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,559 and now he's completely clean, hasn't been using, and like 1133 00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:43,199 feels so adamantly that, like, man, my brother has to 1134 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,119 go through this, like this will very much change. And 1135 00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:47,760 then again, the country club members that you could say 1136 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,239 are actors or not, I believe that they're not. But uh, 1137 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,960 it's like, man to be like, I'm so envious of 1138 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,719 your position of like not even knowing anything right now, 1139 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,079 and because like I don't know, these guys are probably 1140 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,239 pretty wealthy. I imagine they had that same morals that 1141 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:07,079 the Van Orton had. So yeah, I think yes, but cheesy. 1142 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,639 Speaker 1: He's like, what do you get the Vanue was everything. 1143 00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,440 You gotta give him this life chanting experience. But I 1144 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,360 think so it does. I think it will because I 1145 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,559 think they give you a few scenarios. I talked about 1146 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,000 him ask her out for a date and they talk 1147 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,760 about the class system there when he's surrounded now, obviously 1148 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,719 he thought he was gonna die. He thought his brother 1149 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,239 was dead, so he's probably crying for all multitude of reason. 1150 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,199 But when he's surrounded by all like his big wigs, 1151 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,000 he's like actively like solving, which I feel like past 1152 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,400 Nicholas wouldn't have done. The two other scenarios we've already 1153 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,559 touched upon is him apologizing to his wife. I think 1154 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:39,360 it's a big thing because it seems like before that 1155 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,800 would have been something he would do, he wouldn't be 1156 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,800 the bigger person. And then the I think the final 1157 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,159 one I breugh up is when he I think it's 1158 00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,159 just a realization for him, when he wakes up wherever 1159 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,440 he is and he has to go in that restaurant 1160 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,880 and he's beat up, he's dirty. He's like, I gotta 1161 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480 go to San Francisco. I got four dollars, Like can 1162 00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,760 anyone just help me out? Like I'm bagging you, and 1163 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,559 everyone just stares at him. He's a nobody. I think 1164 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,280 he finally starts, which I think you could have done 1165 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,199 more in the movie as well, sprinkled a little more 1166 00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,719 of those situations of him with the lower class to 1167 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,360 understand that. But I think that's his moment of Oh, like, 1168 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,280 you can't just judge somebody basically on their look or 1169 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,559 their money because you don't know what situation they've been through, 1170 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,679 right I'm assuming not many people have gone through the 1171 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,440 game like he has. But just he might put anything 1172 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,000 onto a person like, oh, this person's bums asking me 1173 00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,039 for a ride, you know, fuck them where. It's like 1174 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:28,280 he doesn't matter. He in his situation has been swindled 1175 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,199 of a bunch of money and is really wrong. But 1176 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,719 he's no richer than any other bum on the street 1177 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,880 right now, right so, I think so, But who knows, 1178 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000 maybe just develops a drug problem and he ends up 1179 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,519 like his dad, who I got a very fun trivia 1180 00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:43,440 note when we get there, So just buckle. 1181 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,639 Speaker 5: Up, like everything psychologically that happened, that just totally just 1182 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,079 knocked him down. I feel like that's enough to break 1183 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:55,360 him and make him become a better person. After the 1184 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,519 whole the whole thing because like gets worse. I mean 1185 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,159 it could go it could absolutely go worse. You could 1186 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,800 just I mean he tried to. He jumped off and 1187 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,719 that failed. Who's to say he doesn't go outside and 1188 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,559 buy like a real gun and shoot himself in the head. 1189 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,800 Speaker 1: Because he thought he killed his brother, you know which 1190 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:14,599 again that's that's one. 1191 00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:16,920 Speaker 2: In the rock bottom for someoney who's in such a 1192 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,719 secure place. 1193 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. 1194 00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1195 00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:21,639 Speaker 1: But like even then to the uh the thing, I 1196 00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:24,639 always it's a joke. Oh good thing you jumped or 1197 00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:26,320 I would have to throw you. It's like that's a 1198 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,159 very dangerous wrist there. 1199 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 4: Metal rebar like like steel beams like right, like you know, 1200 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,320 it's a pretty big area that I'm sure was the 1201 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,480 breakaway glass. But those giant steel pillars, no, those are 1202 00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:39,920 not fake. 1203 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: If he I have some trivia bat but that's where Yeah, 1204 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,760 for me, I'm always like I wish they found something 1205 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,639 outside than the jump off the building that takes it 1206 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,599 like it's already hiding. 1207 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 4: Down tie into the father right, like it's that's what 1208 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:51,800 it's just. 1209 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,639 Speaker 1: Making a smaller jump though then like like like to 1210 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,480 jump he. 1211 00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,079 Speaker 6: Jumped from like the O zone layer like that was 1212 00:53:58,119 --> 00:53:58,760 a long. 1213 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: Fun with plates of like getting glass, you know, like yeah, 1214 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,400 no concussion or anything. It's even just some impact of 1215 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,000 hitting that mattress, like it's soft. But that's one where 1216 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,760 it's like maybe just a little small. 1217 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 4: It's like fate, Like Michael Douglas's face when he like 1218 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,400 you thought he kills his brother. He's going through this 1219 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,000 whole fucking game adventure. He thinks he's committing suicide and 1220 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,239 then he lands on a fucking mattress and there's people 1221 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,960 like close your eyes, miss don't yeah. 1222 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: Still think it'll cut you. 1223 00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,559 Speaker 4: Like he's just sitting there like what the fuck is 1224 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:35,199 even real anymore? Like like he's just so luckily Conrad 1225 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,400 comes out, you know, his brother's not actually dead, But 1226 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:40,079 in that moment, I'm sure he was, like Taylor said, 1227 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:41,000 maybe more broken. 1228 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: They should have ran through the game for one more 1229 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,119 hour just to see what would have happened to. 1230 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,639 Speaker 2: That was the thing, man, Like what if the game 1231 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,880 isn't over when the movie ends, you know, like what 1232 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,880 if that's just another layer of the inception ness they're 1233 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,960 trying to fuck with them there, Like the game goes on. 1234 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:57,559 Speaker 5: He's gonna try and kill himself again, because that's just. 1235 00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,280 Speaker 4: That's just it's messed. It takes a toll. It takes 1236 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,840 a toll, for sure. Yeah, yeah, I hope yes, you know. 1237 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,519 Speaker 1: Anything else, specifically any ceiling brand of my stuff. 1238 00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:14,800 Speaker 2: I like the music in this movie, and a lot 1239 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,280 of it is just like you know, slow, very dramatic 1240 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,599 piano stuff. 1241 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:21,280 Speaker 3: But I think it really works. You know Howard Shore 1242 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:21,800 is on the. 1243 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,679 Speaker 2: Scoring this, But I also think like there's this obviously 1244 00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,360 there's a Claire to loon in many classic piano pieces 1245 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,920 in there, but just all that stuff I think works 1246 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,119 pretty well. So it's like the tone of this very dark, 1247 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,119 gritty kind of setting. So I like like the like 1248 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:41,119 the music, I like the the kind of frequent use 1249 00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,280 of the crs like they caught like all these different companies. 1250 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,159 I couldn't think of an example right now, but all 1251 00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,519 the different company names that you know, whether it's like 1252 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,960 some like garbage company or like I don't know, a 1253 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,440 police group, whatever, it is, like they all just have 1254 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:57,760 like that acronym for whatever the company is that. 1255 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,119 Speaker 1: Ties notes the taxi when he says down and they 1256 00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,280 like lock him up and he's driving and he sees 1257 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,960 the seers and say say, oh, come on, man, But like, 1258 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,360 everyone go back and watch his face reaction when they're 1259 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,119 driving and the taxi driver jumps out, Michael doug was 1260 00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:17,079 just like, oh my god, I cannot any think about 1261 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,039 the scenarios they put this guy through. Is your taxi 1262 00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,239 driver just barreled out of the car and you're like, 1263 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,079 and he goes in the waters. It's just a game. 1264 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:25,920 It's just a game. But he doesn't get out. 1265 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,079 Speaker 2: But yeah, the guy in the taxi looks like the 1266 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,920 guy from Home alone, like ain't much better and he 1267 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,199 a kid like he like freaky as hell. 1268 00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:37,320 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is Kevin is those we is he 1269 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,760 just like the game. We want him to really understand, 1270 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,039 like we love him, but he just doesn't get it yet. 1271 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:45,840 Oh we got the perfect thing for you, ma'am. 1272 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,320 Speaker 2: My favorite Michael Douglas's face reaction in this movie is 1273 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,400 when they're getting chased by the dog and they like 1274 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,400 start climbing up the like ladder whatever it is, Like, 1275 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,880 I don't know, you'd have to go back and freeze 1276 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,239 frame it, but the face he makes is both hilarious 1277 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,400 and just like, I don't even know how you do that. 1278 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,039 I wonder if he intentionally did that or if he 1279 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,280 was actually freaked out. 1280 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. It was crazy. 1281 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 4: Ye I like his birthday meal, but he that is, 1282 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,920 his housekeeper makes for him, pulls it out of the 1283 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,480 oven and just you know, he's got a little cupcake. 1284 00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:21,480 But that burger whatever it was, chicken burger, beef burger, 1285 00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,159 whatever it was. Man, it looked so good that bun 1286 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,760 with the red onions and everything. It just looked commercial worthy. 1287 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,559 My gosh, I wanted to take a big, big old 1288 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:32,920 chop out of the out of the burger. Bite with 1289 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,519 that thing. I'm getting hungry, gonna have a big. 1290 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:41,679 Speaker 2: Commercial directed by David. You probably directed a bunch of 1291 00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,119 like food commercials. He probably knows how to make it. Yeah, exactly, 1292 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:49,960 it's larger. My last note was about the father, but 1293 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,679 I believe that I think Travis's trivia is going. 1294 00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 4: To cover it. 1295 00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 1: We all have the note. I'm guessing all who the father? 1296 00:57:58,119 --> 00:57:59,559 Do you have any notes? Because if not, I'll ask 1297 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:00,599 you who the father is? 1298 00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:01,559 Speaker 3: No, I don't know. 1299 00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: It's go for it all right. I'll give you a 1300 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,920 hint that the guy who played the father in like 1301 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,559 the videos, Like the Home videos is an iconic voice. 1302 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,199 Speaker 4: Who do you think it is an iconic voice. 1303 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:20,199 Speaker 1: Yeah something you No, No, what does that even mean? Taylor? 1304 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,119 Are you telling me that Sean Connery looks what he does, 1305 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,480 but he's hired a guy for every film to do 1306 00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:28,280 his voice, like it's a constant a dr No. The 1307 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,199 guy that's playing Michael Douglas's dad in the flashback, he 1308 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,199 voices a very famous character. Can you get his character? 1309 00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:39,880 It's someone you would know is a famous character. Yeah, 1310 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,000 I'll let him ask me one hint. Yeah, it's not 1311 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,159 Sean Connery's hint. 1312 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,239 Speaker 5: No, No, that's that's not the hind most No, no, no, 1313 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:55,440 no game. Someone that I would know voice is a character? 1314 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,679 Speaker 6: Is this character like in an animated project, like a. 1315 00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: Cart who has been Yes, yeah, very iconic sayings but 1316 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:10,960 doesn't speak a lot. 1317 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,519 Speaker 4: Except for his movie. 1318 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 2: But that was voiced by a more actor. 1319 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was also in that movie voice in 1320 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:23,440 the character's father. 1321 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:31,559 Speaker 2: Voices many characters, actually more than that character voices a 1322 00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,599 character and that character's brother and that character's weird uncle. 1323 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:34,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1324 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,320 Speaker 6: I'm getting confused all these voices. I'm just gonna say, 1325 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,639 Robin Williams. 1326 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,199 Speaker 1: No, what are you doing here? 1327 00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:41,239 Speaker 4: What you're saying? 1328 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,400 Speaker 6: He voices a bunch of characters. 1329 00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: Okay, what movie has Rob Williams the character? Please tell me. 1330 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 6: I'm so confused. 1331 00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that actor. That actor is not a famous actor 1332 00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:59,079 like by face. So you saying he's voicing Robin Williams again, No, 1333 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,400 rom Williams has his own voice. This guy is a 1334 01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:05,320 voice actor. You would not have seen any movies. He 1335 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,960 does a very iconic voice. 1336 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,440 Speaker 3: On your shelf behind you in some way, shape. 1337 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:17,519 Speaker 6: Or form, on my shelf, behind me, This is. 1338 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 5: On my shelf. 1339 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Why are you looking up at the roof when you 1340 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,800 say on your shelf? What's happening here on my shelf? 1341 01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 6: Which shelf be talking about? 1342 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,559 Speaker 1: Now? He said behind you? He already said all. 1343 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 3: The games on it and presumably movies, and. 1344 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 5: You can fucking see which one of those is. 1345 01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, I know that there's a few on there that 1346 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,719 will have this voice actor, because that's how iconic. 1347 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,400 Speaker 1: The character is that we know there's a game back 1348 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,320 there that has him in it. 1349 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 4: Right now, I'm confused because the way you've worded totally, 1350 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,159 the way you've explained it is totally. Just send me 1351 01:00:59,199 --> 01:00:59,920 for a looser. 1352 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Okay, here, this guy voices an iconic video game character 1353 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,079 who do you think it is? 1354 01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:06,559 Speaker 5: I thought we were talking about like a cartoon, like 1355 01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,800 a move the movie Here's has been a cartoon movie. 1356 01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 3: The character is on this screen right now. 1357 01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I can't say that. 1358 01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 4: What is this game? 1359 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 6: You guys are playing me off a building here. 1360 01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:29,239 Speaker 1: Massive pay us along, break Man. There's some in your 1361 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,280 life Taylor that needs this game. I think he'd be 1362 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:39,000 perfect for the game. Anyways, I watched a movie about that. Anyways, Yeah, anyways, 1363 01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:42,280 the guy voices fucking Mario Taylor, the guy that plays 1364 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,119 Michael Douglas's dad in the flashbacks. He's the voice of 1365 01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:49,000 Mario the original Retire twenty twenty three and Luigi other 1366 01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,119 clearly not. Did he voice Rob Williams. No, he's not. 1367 01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:55,599 He's not. That's in the future. 1368 01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 4: But I love it was like too, like real person. 1369 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I thought you met, like pick an actor 1370 01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:05,920 who does their voice, lends their voice to another character, 1371 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,280 so like, oh, Rob Williams voices like. 1372 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:11,719 Speaker 1: The Genie and it would be thousands of actors. It's fine, whatever, Okay, 1373 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,880 it was great to David Fincher originally planned to make 1374 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,559 the game before seven, but when Brad Pitt came available 1375 01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,400 for the latter, he shelled this film and then went 1376 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,480 to this after film seven was done, so I guess 1377 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,039 it was a situation there. I only would have changed 1378 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,360 too much, but you never know. Here's the kicker with 1379 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,239 Sean Penn's roll. Jody Foster was originally signed to play 1380 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,719 Michael Douglas's sister in the film. However, Foster changed her 1381 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:40,119 mind and wanted to appear as Douglas's daughter instead. Douglas 1382 01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,920 and the director Adventure were very opposed to this change, 1383 01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,840 so they went gave the part that Sean Penn and said. 1384 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,920 Foster promptly sued Polly Graham to the tune of fifty 1385 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,920 four million dollars, even though her Egg Pictures production was 1386 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,880 one of the film's production companies. The matter was fortunately 1387 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000 settled out of court. Doug who is personal friend with Foster, 1388 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,000 said it didn't seem right for him to play Foster's father, 1389 01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,440 given that there was only eighteen years age difference, even 1390 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,719 though in a movie from nineteen seventy two from Disney 1391 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,079 Napoleone Samantha, he did play her guardian there. I would 1392 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,280 love to know more about the situation of I would 1393 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,840 understand if you cast her and then like, you know, 1394 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,679 We're just gonna go Sean Penn. I can understand why 1395 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:23,159 there's like a lawsuit there, but I find it very 1396 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,039 odd of like Kyu cast her and then she's like, well, 1397 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:26,599 I'd like to change the whole thing up, and the 1398 01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:29,119 star and the director like I don't really want to 1399 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,320 do that, and we're gonna go Sean. So clearly there's 1400 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,440 more fuck we're there, But yeah, trying to get it 1401 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,559 for fifty four million. I don't even know how much 1402 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,199 this movie made. I don't even think. Let me just 1403 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,199 quickly say the game box office, let's see what it made. 1404 01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:44,960 It made one hundred and nine million, so she pretty 1405 01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:48,360 mu would have been asking like half of the entire 1406 01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,400 theatrical run, which is crazy. So don't know what happened there. 1407 01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:55,639 Ninety is crazy time, let's see here. Despite the success 1408 01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:57,480 of the box office and the cult following, Dave Venture 1409 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,239 has some minion interviews that he's not proud of this film. 1410 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,079 He's explained that he was fighting with executives at Polygramm 1411 01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:07,199 Entertainment at the time, which was the distributor of the film, 1412 01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:09,960 and he agreed with his wife, who produced a film, 1413 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,920 that they should have never made the film citing they 1414 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,760 could never get the third act and it was my 1415 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,960 fault because I thought I could just keep my foot 1416 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,119 on the throttle and it was liberating and funny. So 1417 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,239 it's funny because you know, I'm not trying to just 1418 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,559 say that again, but like Alien three, this, and I 1419 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:27,320 think this is a notorious thing. This is why Jake 1420 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,320 Jillenhall won't work with him. You can go look back 1421 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,519 at Zodiac. There's many outtakes. Fincher's a guy that likes 1422 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,679 to do like like a minimum of fifty takes sometimes 1423 01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:37,519 on one scene. And you can see scenes with Johena. 1424 01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:39,440 Hall's like we fucking got it, man, like let's move on. 1425 01:04:39,719 --> 01:04:42,199 Days like oh, let's go again. And here's Jake forty 1426 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,079 nine takes later still and it's stuff like sitting down 1427 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,079 and throwing a newspaper and like, no, let's do that again. 1428 01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:49,159 Let's do that again. So I think he's just like 1429 01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:52,159 a perfectionist type of guy. But I don't think he's wrong. 1430 01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,159 I was like, I think the concept's great, I think 1431 01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:56,199 the build up's great, but I think that's a stuff 1432 01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,599 like falling off the roof with the like that's where 1433 01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:00,039 I think the third act for me, does Lou it 1434 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:00,639 was a little. 1435 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,119 Speaker 2: You again, Michael Douglas ready four times. 1436 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,039 Speaker 1: But yeah, I know this guy that's clearly always hard 1437 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,639 on his work is even then like Alien three not 1438 01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:12,199 his fault. But he still said like, ah, but I 1439 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:15,599 didn't direct that right, so uh, Jiff. When they moved 1440 01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,480 over from Jodie Foster, they offered Jeff Bridges to roll 1441 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:21,280 the brother uh when it was rewritten as male character. 1442 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,639 But I guess he turned it down. So again some 1443 01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,559 time to big Lebowski that we just did earlier tonight. 1444 01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:29,400 Let's see here when the interviewer at the CRS turns on, 1445 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,159 the computer makes the same noise a whaling computer sound 1446 01:05:32,199 --> 01:05:37,039 makes in the Alien franchise, So there you go. Uh. Yeah, 1447 01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:38,960 and he directed an Free three, So I don't know 1448 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,039 what they're yeah, if it was a home uns or not. 1449 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,079 Michael Douglas says he wish he had been shown the 1450 01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:47,159 home movies before production because it would have helped him 1451 01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,719 a lot. He thinks they set a tone for how 1452 01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:53,360 destructive Nicholas van Orden would become, which is interesting. And 1453 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,639 then another fun no is Michael Douglass going through divorced 1454 01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:57,639 while this film was in production. And it was a 1455 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,239 time for me a lot to use, or it was 1456 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,119 a lot that I could use to picture myself in 1457 01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:06,239 the movie. So kind of life imitating art there, which 1458 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,480 was kind of funny. The character of Conrad was originally 1459 01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:12,760 written as a best friend from prep school for Nicholas. 1460 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,480 They had always viewed Nicholas as a only child, but 1461 01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,480 the script came together once David suggested that it wasn't necessary. 1462 01:06:18,519 --> 01:06:21,519 Staying the brother helped give us more emotional core to 1463 01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:23,679 the story. So I guess for a long time that 1464 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,760 was just a friend, but they changed that up. I 1465 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,280 do have it here. I'm not gonna play the whole 1466 01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:30,840 teaser here, but Dave Fincher loved the initial teacher feazing 1467 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,920 a marionette puppet being tortured by the marketing department, and 1468 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,760 came up with a crumbling face puzzle piece thing. He 1469 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,920 added the puzzle pieces to the opening credits so the 1470 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,440 second teaser would bear connection in the film, similar to 1471 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,280 the puppet that appears later in the movie. So what 1472 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,599 was it? Oh, it's like twenty days later. You know 1473 01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:50,920 that that Boots Boots that song that was in the 1474 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,840 marketing that they put in the movie that like old 1475 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,000 timmy poem thing the marketing team did that that wasn't 1476 01:06:57,039 --> 01:06:59,599 in the movie at all. Alex Garland, Dane Bull, who 1477 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,079 saw the tea and so we gotta put the song 1478 01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:03,079 on the movie now, So I'll bring up the teaser. 1479 01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:05,559 A second, same thing happened with the puppet and the 1480 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,519 broken pieces. None of that was Fincher's idea or anything 1481 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:10,559 like that. They just saw the teaser like, well, we 1482 01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,920 better make it look like that teaser because it's fucking awesome. 1483 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,719 So and then a final note, after the police load 1484 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,079 Nicholas and Christine in the ambulance, if you listen carefully, 1485 01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,159 one of them snickered. This was a clear that the 1486 01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:23,159 police were in vault in the game as well. So 1487 01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:24,599 there you go. But I'll bring it. I'm not gonna 1488 01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:26,719 play the whole thing. It's I watched a little bit 1489 01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,440 of the teaser. The teaser is literally just the Mary 1490 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,960 Antoinette being tortured, and it's just dialogue of the movie. 1491 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,320 It's just people yelling. So I'm just gonna skip forward. 1492 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:40,719 But teasers in the I know who want the audience. 1493 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,760 Speaker 4: To yourself that it's being toys. 1494 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,559 Speaker 1: It's just this for a minute and twenty until you 1495 01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:51,079 get to like this point, the man who has everything 1496 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,239 teasers man back and then ninety So that's that's October ship. 1497 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,119 It's like October so but yeah, so there you go. So, 1498 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,840 Taylor Field, how many marios would you give this out 1499 01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:11,119 of ten? 1500 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,360 Speaker 4: How many marios? 1501 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:18,039 Speaker 1: Rob Williams? How many Sean Connery? What Taylor? For people 1502 01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:20,680 to listen to that that portion of this at. 1503 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,880 Speaker 4: The late night comment. I don't even fault Taylor for that. 1504 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,760 I feel like, no, for. 1505 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,800 Speaker 2: Anyone listening who didn't know who the character was, like, 1506 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,239 were you able to pick up on it? 1507 01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Hits? 1508 01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,800 Speaker 6: Let us know, because I'm not the only one guessing. 1509 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,600 Sean Connery, I'm sure I could be with you. 1510 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,680 Speaker 1: That was late. But when I clarified so hard in 1511 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,960 the second time, He's still said Williams, That's why I 1512 01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:42,840 knew he wouldn't have got it. I knew first one. 1513 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, okay, let's let's let's narrow your focus here, 1514 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,560 you know, let's let's get you back on path. And 1515 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,359 then Robin Williams, Okay, we lost him. 1516 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,039 Speaker 5: So I'm I'm thinking this is probably I'm gonna go 1517 01:08:57,119 --> 01:08:58,399 a six point. 1518 01:08:58,119 --> 01:08:59,039 Speaker 6: Five out of ten. 1519 01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:02,239 Speaker 5: It's not super super high for me, but I'm passing 1520 01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,479 it because I think it's it's worth a watch, but 1521 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,000 it doesn't have a lot of things in here that 1522 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,520 resonate with me and and kind of like hits me 1523 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,720 that in that that way. But I still had a 1524 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,960 time with this and I thought it was it was 1525 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,079 an adventure and uh yeah, maybe maybe if I'm gonna 1526 01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,119 watch this again, maybe I gotta I gotta change the 1527 01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,439 I gotta change the pacing. I gotta be in the 1528 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,880 kitchen alone, cooking honeygard like chicken, like watch The Big 1529 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,359 Leabowski was. I gotta put this movie on. And maybe 1530 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:33,279 that's that's the kicker. 1531 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,119 Speaker 4: That's the watch with Scott. 1532 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:37,680 Speaker 3: I know, yeap. 1533 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,640 Speaker 4: Which one is, Louise? 1534 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,680 Speaker 3: I uh, I'll jump in here. Yeah, it's funny. 1535 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,880 Speaker 2: After watching this and you know, feeling like I had 1536 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,560 a pretty good handle on the twists and the you know, 1537 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,119 the directions it went, I was feeling like, yeah, I 1538 01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:56,439 don't think I need to rewatch this anytime soon at least, 1539 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,880 but after this discussion, I definitely do. 1540 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,399 Speaker 3: And I feel like I' interesting to see like the 1541 01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:03,680 things I pick out there are the characters who I thought, oh, 1542 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:04,439 that character. 1543 01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:06,600 Speaker 2: Is obviously in on it, maybe maybe not, and like 1544 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,439 just kind of reevaluate a lot of these scenes. So 1545 01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,399 I feel like, naturally a lot of movies like this 1546 01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,199 do have good rewatchability, and I didn't think this did 1547 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,520 after the initial watch, but after this podcast, now I 1548 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,399 do think it does. So uh, someday I will definitely 1549 01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:20,439 do that, and I'll definitely report back when I've watched 1550 01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,159 it again. But I think for this few and I'm 1551 01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,880 gonna give it a seven to five. 1552 01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:32,039 Speaker 1: Travis eight point five. That's where I would go right there, 1553 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,199 having like an eight point five and nine. I think 1554 01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:35,680 I have given in a nine before, like on a 1555 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,039 letter box, on a letterbox, to make it cleaner, it'd 1556 01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:39,920 be like a four point five out of five. I 1557 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,840 think it's just the third act for me that holds 1558 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,119 it back. I think the things that they they they 1559 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,439 hold back themselves. I like. I love the acting, I 1560 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,680 love the cinematography, I love the score, I love the five. 1561 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,079 I think it's a good pace because you know, at 1562 01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:52,319 one point I paused it and it was like twenty 1563 01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:54,000 one minutes and they were already setting up the game, 1564 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,439 which is like good on for them, because sometimes that 1565 01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,319 could have been like a forty five minutes like and 1566 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,359 I get wrong. I still think there's some stuff you 1567 01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,079 could add. I won more stuff with the brother I 1568 01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:05,600 would have taken. But I still think the initial concept 1569 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,359 being introduced at early is good because especially when the 1570 01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:10,159 rest of the movie is like what's real, what's not? 1571 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,920 What is the game? What's the variation of what's the 1572 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:14,600 cause of the game. I think that's a smart play. 1573 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,399 So I'm gonna go an eight point seven five. I'll 1574 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,760 do that at eight point seventy five. Yeah, no, enjoy this. 1575 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,399 I don't think I'll watch this one for a while now, 1576 01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:23,840 because I've watched it within like the past ten months twice. 1577 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,159 But I definitely in the next decade or so, i'll 1578 01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:29,760 have a Fincher craving. It'll probably be if I end 1579 01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,439 up loving you know, the Cliff Booth Adventures, maybe I'll 1580 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,760 do Fincher watches then. But yeah, no, really enjoy this 1581 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,279 one and happy we got to talk about. 1582 01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:44,439 Speaker 4: It, very nice. Yeah, I'll I'll go jump up from 1583 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,159 you trap. I'll go nine point seven five. For a while, 1584 01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:48,880 I was gonna do nine point five, but then you 1585 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,520 hit me with that curveball within nine points or eight 1586 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,520 point seven five rather so I do a full jump up. 1587 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,560 Yeah for me, this is like a big nostalgia boost 1588 01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:01,000 on my score overall. I just yeah, this is is 1589 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,680 a really important film for me in my overall just 1590 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,119 journey on. Uh, I'm just enjoying films and of course 1591 01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:11,119 tied to like yeah, just tripping out with me and 1592 01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:13,399 my sister back in the day, seeing like my dad 1593 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,000 with the clown image on, like that just stuck to 1594 01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:18,279 my brain more so before I even saw the film. 1595 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,319 So of course when I saw when I eventually saw it, 1596 01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,319 just uh, when I first see that clown just arrive 1597 01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:26,479 on his driveway, I'm like, oh my god, this is 1598 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,279 going to be like this is gonna be the villain 1599 01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:30,720 of the movie, like because because I just had that 1600 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:31,760 image in my head that the. 1601 01:12:32,039 --> 01:12:34,319 Speaker 1: All over posters to like DVD's a. 1602 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 4: Great image, right, it's like the saw, you know. 1603 01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:40,479 Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, I have a cut creepy crown, that 1604 01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:43,560 creepy clown that half it's chin is broken, But I 1605 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,600 won't let me throw it out because I'm like, we're 1606 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,000 gonna use it one day. It's it's it's literally a 1607 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,800 clown that I've had since I was like one years old, 1608 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,119 and I don't know what my mom was thinking. It's 1609 01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:55,000 creepy as fuck. I'll try and find a photo. But 1610 01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:57,720 like we're using this at some point, so clowns they 1611 01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,399 can do that, man. 1612 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I mean nostalgia's side. I still 1613 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,359 think this is a really just special film. I love 1614 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,399 the just sound design, the music. Michael Douglas is just 1615 01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,319 such a powerhouse and didn't really talk about her a lot, 1616 01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:15,359 but like the actors that played Christine, I thought she 1617 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:20,199 was just really fantastic. Yeah, it's good chemistry amongst the two. 1618 01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,600 Sean Penn always great to see him like a younger 1619 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,880 Sean Penn. I haven't seen enough of him, honestly because 1620 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,520 Mystic River, you know, it was on my my old 1621 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:30,039 top ten. 1622 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I am Sam God twenty one grams. Trying 1623 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,800 to think some other good ones. Yeah, thin Red Line. 1624 01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:44,680 Have you not seen Fast Times o oridge On High 1625 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,640 because we're talking about big Lebowski, because that's always the 1626 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,800 other stoner one of apeels like this, what's. 1627 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,159 Speaker 4: His character's name, It's like. 1628 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,319 Speaker 1: He is the stoner of the high school, always gets there. Yeah, 1629 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,840 Like I feel like it's one a Jeff Bridges one 1630 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,960 b Sean Pan of the ones that got brought up 1631 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,520 as that, and yeah it's h oh milk, which you 1632 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,119 want to Oscar for milk is fantastic. Browling's in there, 1633 01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:10,560 lots of great stuff, so yeah, he's fantastic. 1634 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,840 Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I'm glad we were able to watch it. 1635 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,359 My dad's gonna be excited to listen to this episode, 1636 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:16,920 I'm sure. 1637 01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:19,800 Speaker 1: So hopefully he gets that Mario thing before Taylor does, 1638 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,039 but probably won't. 1639 01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:25,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, probably he as lost as Taylor. 1640 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,439 Speaker 1: It's not Sean Carry. This whole crazy has been voiced 1641 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,039 by this guy. But yes, we have done it. Yeah, 1642 01:14:33,079 --> 01:14:34,800 the next time we'll be doing this is now we've 1643 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,840 just started with Superhero Draft. When we do the other 1644 01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,199 draft next year that now, when we win, we'll pick 1645 01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,079 some ritel so this will be more fun to revisit 1646 01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:42,880 back in the future. But no, this was a This 1647 01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:44,760 was fun to do for the ten year and just 1648 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,800 get a little zeitgeist and look in the mind of 1649 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,279 us and see what's going on and see why we 1650 01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,399 picked things in some formative films for all of us 1651 01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:54,039 in different ways. So this was tons of fun. I 1652 01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:56,560 hope you guys enjoyed that. Let us know, you know, 1653 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000 if again, if you knew that was Mario or not 1654 01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:01,680 Sean Connery and any thoughts about anything about your opinions 1655 01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,520 on the games, the CRS, you know, would you take 1656 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,079 that game? Who knows? But whenever you're hear FROMS next, 1657 01:15:07,119 --> 01:15:08,920 I promise you it'll not be boring,