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Speaker 1: It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on.
Thank you for telling a friend.
Speaker 3: That's how we.
Speaker 1: Spread the word about the by Ridge.
Speaker 3: Dan's here in his A Yankee cap getting ready for
spring training. Some in full swing.
Speaker 1: I've watched a spring training game of twenty years.
Speaker 2: So that's just fun, especially if you get one in
late February, because you're sort of seeing like Sarahsota Florida
or something and it's like, ah, yes, life will come
back eventually. But yeah, that's that's kind of fun. I
like to start out today, Dan, if you don't mind,
within an apology.
Speaker 3: And I had to do this, not to you, not
to you, to a listener.
Speaker 2: I had said some things on the podcast which will
be made clear in their statement to me. I'll even
give you my statement back to them.
Speaker 1: A mala.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a malacopa. Yes, that's that's that's pretty good. This
person writes, and I will leave their name out of it.
I listened to every single podcast of Billified since you began.
Now Doug was in here the other day, you and
Doug talking about g LP one's show your Ignorance.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I said after you should not
throw out your judgmental opinions. Doug didn't.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Saying it's the easy way out is totally not true
for people who truly are obese. GLP shots have been
used and tested for over twenty years with no long
term problem. Some people may need to take the med for.
Speaker 3: The rest of their life.
Speaker 2: GLP is a hormone type peptide that humans make in
their body, but obese.
Speaker 1: People again, I'm gonna start laughing at I'm trying not to.
Speaker 2: Obese people don't make enough of it, similar to how
diabetics don't make enough insulin. For people who have fought
fat their whole life, this is life changing and it
also is anti inflammatory for some. It takes away arthritis
or other chronic problems. Also very helpful for preventing cardiac issues.
It's miraculous. You really sounded defensive to me. I'm still
a loyal listener, but couldn't help but tell you how
really dumb. You sounded tonight, not sorry. Now what I
said was I don't have a problem with anybody using
g LP ones.
Speaker 3: Because it came up.
Speaker 2: Doug had gone to turks and caicos, and I called
it turks and fatsos.
Speaker 1: He's had a picture and caos, jerks and candles.
Speaker 2: He uh, he had a he had a picture of
him on the beach.
Speaker 3: But that I mean that belly was like a bowling
ball on it.
Speaker 2: And I said to him, I go, you know, it's
sort of unfair because and I probably sounded like even
more ignorantive. A friend of his was getting married, so
he was a destination wedding and he was invited and
he went down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of uber light rides for that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he yeah, did.
Speaker 1: He ask if he could fly the plane? I don't know.
I don't know, but I carried people around all the time.
I think he was, uh every.
Speaker 2: So he brought up the GLP and I and I said, yeah,
I think they're great for people to lose weight. I
think anything that's going to help you feel better about yourself,
I have no problem with it, whether it be plastic.
Speaker 3: Surgery or anything.
Speaker 2: On a very simple level. I have no problem with
any of that because it's hard enough, right, the human
experience is tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever's gonna get you through the day, I'm cool
with that.
Speaker 3: But then if you ask.
Speaker 2: Me my opinion of gop ones, all I said was,
you know, I've noticed since a lot of celebrities who
were out there going big as beautiful and love me
for who I am.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that, And that's all I said. Don't
don't don't jump in yet. Don't jump in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, go, let me finish my thought.
Speaker 1: I've said a word.
Speaker 2: No, I heard you. You're ready. I know you're ready.
But this is where you're smart. You write it down.
So I just said, what happened to all those people
who were telling me, I go, where's the lizzos? Oh?
They're skinny now, so it doesn't fucking matter. Like so
in a were you all full of shit because the
golp one's And all I said about the golp ones
and I would say this, and I'm basing my information
on people who had gastic gastric bypass surgery. Does it
help you in the short term, yes, but if you're
not disciplined, it's not gonna work anyway. Do you have
to stay on shots for the rest of your life?
This person rights that. Maybe that some people have to
do that. Some people may have to do that if
they're diabetic and it's really working for them, that's wonderful.
I don't want to be giving myself a shot all
the time. But when you used to say things like,
you know, diet and exercise, people would start fucking jumping
up and down at You're going, no.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me. I come from a big family.
Speaker 1: Bah bah bah.
Speaker 2: Oh Okay, Hey, look, I'm not a chemist. I'm not
a I'm sure you know that. I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a biophysicist. I have no idea what really
goes on. All I know is myself. I did do
one of those extreme diets and I lost weight.
Speaker 3: I didn't put anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't there were drops and some bullshit like that,
but most of it was like seven hundred calories when.
Speaker 3: I was doing it a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's tough, but it worked, and it took
it off very quickly, and it took it off for
a long time. But it's amazing what it does for
your body. And I'm sure the people that are losing
the weight, are seeing all the benefits this person who
thank you for listening every day sincerely, or every episode.
Speaker 3: That this person is also seeing.
Speaker 2: Right, you lose the weight, there's probably less pain on
the joints, the inflammation goes down. All those things are wonderful.
All I'm saying is it's like a shortcut to get there.
And just like I was talked about the story of
my aunt's husband, his name is Frank, and my parents
when they after the house burn dad, they rebuilt this
really nice house, but they had a powder room right
off the kitchen. And my aunt and her husband lived
in Albany, about an hour away from my mom, and
so she would be there for like, let's say, Easter
dinner or whatever, and all of a sudden, like twenty
five minutes after they left, Frank would come literally running
into the house and he'd go into the bathroom and
he would fucking blow it up, dude, because he over eight.
And the thing was like, I'm sure that feels, pardon
the pun, shitty, but and I said, my father used
to say all the time, here would go, let me
be Frank with you, Please don't.
Speaker 3: That's what my dumb dads that was his dad, Joe.
Speaker 1: He was clever, heways clever.
Speaker 3: So but the thing was like, I go, okay. So
those guys did it.
Speaker 2: And some people blew through it and put weight on
and had to have another surgery or whatever. I'm not
sure what's going to happen with the with the golp ones.
If it's working for you, wonderful, don't fucking listen to me.
But if you ask me my opinion, and no one
really did, I just spit it out, so let me
let me go there. But if I were asked my opinion,
my opinion would be I'm cautious because it's not giving you,
it's not changing your lifestyle.
Speaker 3: I've heard people who have tried it.
Speaker 2: It didn't really work for them, but the cramping and
the pain was so unbelievable. Maybe there's different ones. I
don't know.
Speaker 3: It's not something I want to try. Do I need
to lose weight, you bet your sweet ass.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: Do I have a plan for it, You bet your
sweet ass.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: So those are but that's different to me. Doesn't mean
that I'm right, although I think I am.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that people listen to the podcast
or any podcasts for that matter. I've always believed and
I learned this lesson in the break room. If you
can't laugh at yourself, you have no right to laugh
at anything else or anybody else, because at some point it's.
Speaker 1: Going to be your turn. How do you handle it?
And you weren't making fun of this situation.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got an opinion on things, and all of a sudden,
when the person who you know gets offended by someone's
opinion lashes out, I don't say lashes out, but gets
angry about that and says you're uneducated and all this
other stuff. Okay, well show me the data, and they
kind of did. But it's okay to disagree. Here's where
you're coming from here. Here's what I agree with. Okay,
ozempic all those drugs they want you on, those drugs
for life.
Speaker 1: Here's what I mean.
Speaker 5: You ever own a credit card the credit card company,
If you could pay for it yourself in cash, you would,
But you don't.
Speaker 1: Why Because you got a credit card, you could pay
it off a little bit at once, and the credit
card company is betting the odds. What are the odds
that you won't pay it? All off the time that
you will have to pay a little bit, a little bit,
a little bit more, and a little bit more, a
little bit more, and then they got you on the chain. Right.
It was an experiment that was started in Fresnel, California,
and now it's spread globally. Did the credit card.
Speaker 5: And like I remember, like when I was a young guitarist,
I went to a guitar center thinking that I had
to have the money in hand to.
Speaker 1: Buy the guitar.
Speaker 5: They no, you can get financing interest free for twelve months, right,
But then once you hit the twelve months, if you
haven't paid the guitar off, the interest rate was something
like twenty two percent, which is ridiculous. So what did
I do month after month? I didn't have to make
any payment. It's like, you know, I'll make it eventually.
I'll make it eventually, and I never did. Eventually had
to pay that plus the interest on it, which was ridiculous.
Point being is they were playing the odds that hey,
if you need credit, guess what they're gonna be able
to milk it. It's the same thing with this. If
you change your lifestyle or if you do the work,
you won't need to be hooked on this chain because
I know a lot of people want to talk about stats. Yeah,
I know people who've gotten off GLPS and guess what,
they're bigger than they were before they got out.
Speaker 3: That's too bad. Into an accordion, I don't.
Speaker 1: And that's dangerous to what because the drug companies have
played the odds against you that you're not going to
change your lifestyle. You're gonna go back to being what
you were before.
Speaker 2: But I would say this too, died an exercise. It's
amazing when I did do that diet. How much better
I slept, how much clearer I thought. So there's stuff
in our diet, right, but it's hard to avoid. You know,
I'm tired. I'm just looking for something quick. So what's quick?
Shitty food is usually yes, not always, but usually and
so and I think too, like exercise isn't just good
for your body, it's good for your mental health.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 1: Here's one of the best pills you can take is
your exercise.
Speaker 2: Here's my response, just so you know, dud and I
really was not trying.
Speaker 3: I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't think you were trying to be a shoe,
I said, And maybe I said, I was yelling at
a little bit and stuff. You know, it's a show
you tune in for this reason.
Speaker 2: So I said, I appreciate you saying this seriously, and
thank you for riding with bilified from day one.
Speaker 3: That matters to me.
Speaker 2: If I came off ignorant or dismissive about gop meds,
that's on me. The last thing, the last thing I
ever want to do is minimize something that's genuinely life
changing for people. I was riffing, not researching. And those
are two different lanes. That said, you understand that not
everyone using them is in the category you describe, but
even those people shouldn't be minimized.
Speaker 3: Point taken.
Speaker 2: I can have opinions without being flippant about someone else's
health journey. Thanks for calling me out. And then I said, uh,
this was really me, not Doug. I don't know why
I feel like I needed to add that, but if.
Speaker 5: You ever watch a YouTube video with someone who's an influencer,
they have to put the disclaimer for entertainment purpose. If
you don't have that drilled into your head by now, look,
I can't help.
Speaker 2: You, no, But the thing is, like, it was my
opinion on something that is working for her.
Speaker 3: It's great this person, this person I didn't what do
you care for?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad they did, because that's what I want.
I want you to be a feel like you can
interact with this show and you can be heard on
this show and we could have discussions on these things
and that's it. But the biggest look to me, the
the worst thing for humans is uncertainty. Right, So if
I start this diet, I'm uncertain I could stick with it.
But if I think this drug is going to do
it for me, I'm might be better at sticking with it.
It's a weird thing, right, And it would be funny.
It would be really interesting to me if they somewhere
did a placebo GLP one thing, you know where people
didn't have it, but did they actually they were just
injecting you.
Speaker 1: Feel like I'm getting better.
Speaker 2: Well I mean no, but they're losing weight and they're
eating better, and instead of picking up a bag of chips,
they pick up a bag of a baby carrots. Whatever
that is. I would love to see that because I
do think that there's a little bit a little bit
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All Trades. No job too small. I've always been a
fan of Billy Idol. I remember, like in the high
school and stuff. A lot of my buddies went to
see him in concert and ship my friend Jeff Kotch,
I think was in an elevator with him in Albany
and like at the same hotel or whatever, and he's like.
Speaker 3: Fucking Billy.
Speaker 2: I don't Billy reaches out like reaches up because he's
a little guy, goes at least. But Billy Ida went
on Bill Maher's podcast Club Random, which is an interesting
listen if you've ever had the opportunity, and he said
that he got off heroin by smoking crack and I
was like, sure, I get it because I think in
like nineteen eighty four, I mean, Billy Idol, there's a
documentary that's coming out. I think it's going to be
I don't know how why the release will be, but
the documentaries, if it's not, it may already be out.
Speaker 1: I'm so behind the documentaries. I want to watch her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know what you mean, right, because clearly I.
Speaker 5: Have to wait for my wife to go on a
vacation on her own to catch up in all the
documentaries I want to watch. Well, because we can't agree
to him, she won't watch documentaries. I think they're even
a music yeah, and I think they're fascinating.
Speaker 2: Well, they give you some good information. I would also
say that, you know, like anything, there may be somebody
who's like bent telling this side.
Speaker 3: Of a story.
Speaker 2: They're storytellers, yes, and they all do have their own perspective,
and that's that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: You take them with a grain of salt. But this
one is called Billy Idol Should Be Dead.
Speaker 2: And I fucking loved the title, and I love Billy Idol,
and I go, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: But I mean, Billy Idol was heroin.
Speaker 2: Like he left the man X came to the United
States to start his solo career, and man he just
talked about and the article I read uh had him
talking to the Associated Press and the New York Times
and People magazine. He had come here, and he said
his drug use ramped up as his popularity did. But
then he got into heroin and and he said, I
didn't always shoot it. I usually snorted it. And then
I don't know why. So heroin was bad. But then
the crack, which is basically freebasing cocaine, is like amazing.
Then he had that motorcycle accents like because I forget,
I think his eyes without a face or I don't
remember what the song is, but the video on MTV.
All you saw was Billy idn'l like in he was
inside picture frames like walking down the hall and stuff
like that. And the reason he was is he couldn't
really stand at the time because as matter of fact,
I am pretty sure.
Speaker 1: It was a white wedding. That doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I am pretty sure that Billy Idol was up for
a role in Terminator two, and because of the motorcycle accident,
he couldn't do the required running. I'm almost positive that
that's a real thing. Okay, I'm pretty sure that that's
what happened. And I haven't listened to Bill Maher's podcast.
If it comes out on that, I wouldn't be surprised.
But I mean, he even said here like I'm lucky
I've kept a brain because some people went brain dead
and some people ended up in jail forever. And he
I think here he was talking to the Associated Press
and he said, imagine if it was today, if I
was doing what I was back then, today, I would
be dead because I would have run into fentanyl.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, right.
Speaker 3: But it's like we got this thing in our brain.
We want stimulation and reward and so you know, and
I have heard. I've been told that the first the
heroin high is the most euphoric high ever, and then
after that you just keep tracing that feeling, and that's
where a lot of people kind of kind of lose
their stuff. But I go, you know, Billy Idol's heroin
to crack, and I'm thinking, I know people who have
traded vices. You know, bad eating for smoke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most common one.
Speaker 3: Well, the bad eating for smoking or vice vice versa.
Speaker 2: I gotta stop smoking, so then bad eat badly and
I can put it on a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: So I'm not fried. I'm not gonna do a gop one.
I'm going back to cigarettes.
Speaker 5: Hey look, I switched from ruffles to trisc its, and
I gotta tell you, man, this has been great.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then Billy Idol says that he's California Sober. Now
I'm not even California's sober. I think we're You don't
like Buffalo sober, like that movie. No, I think California
sober is like where you don't do anything, but you
do weed, okay, or maybe you dabble a little bit
in drugs, but you don't maybe you don't drink. Could
be I don't know what California sober. It just sounds
like it was made by some surfer. Dude goes, hey, man,
here's what he gets.
Speaker 1: In a movie.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Drug rereab designed by a surfer.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't. I'm going. Is Billy Idl the only.
Speaker 1: Guy who could ever say I got clean by doing crack?
He's seventy's still live.
Speaker 3: I know Billy Idol should be dead.
Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Well, Keith Richards is the ultimate exact I know, you know.
And then you got the guy Bob Weir.
Speaker 1: Who was like in his eighties was a health nut, yeah,
and ended up dying. Well, I mean like you once
you cross eighty seven.
Speaker 3: He was seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you get up there. All bets are off
a lot of things.
Speaker 2: All bets are off, sure, I guess, but you try
to do your best to do whatever. But then sometimes
you know, disease and things gets in there. I was
thinking of another one, porn in place of promiscuity.
Speaker 1: There's a well, there's a they call in cells.
Speaker 5: Guys who can't get can't get laid. Yeah, so they
just watch porn and jo and so that's that's why,
that's how they you know.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying, let's say you were a very
promiscuous person. Oh, instead of going out, they just maybe.
Speaker 2: You found somebody. But but you always have that little
bit of an urge, like it's the it's like the heroin,
it's the vagina.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure that there's like lots of like, well, okay,
we worked with a guy Tommy, who told us that
in England there used to be a health tip put
together by the government that says trade Guinness for whiskey.
It's considered a health tip because they had less calories. Right,
But that's like, you know, it's like trading. Yeah, but
you trading one evil, one evil for another.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Partying also, now, I can't you know, I'm not going
to the clubs. Am I hanging out with this crowd anymore?
I become a CrossFit junkie. That's my new party crowd.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I get healthier.
Speaker 5: But I mean I think that people who rip on
people because there's a crowd of people who do this, right,
people who trade a bad vice for a good habit
like working out or Christianity or faith or something. There's
a group of people say, oh, you're just trading one
addiction for another. No, you're actually like upgrading your life.
One is healthy one isn't.
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think that's like a vice necessarily.
Speaker 5: Maybe, but I mean you, I mean, if if you
have an addictive personality, you may as well channel that
into something that's positive, that's good, that's reinforcing, not something
that is destructive.
Speaker 1: No, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: But then there are there's always, like with any addiction,
sometimes there's a fall from grace, you know what I mean, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, relapse.
Speaker 2: But yes, I will say that I here's the thing
that here's something that'll probably get me another scolding from
a listener.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not a big believer that addiction.
Speaker 1: Is a disease. I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean to sound mean to anybody. Whatever
is going to make your life better. You have a
loved one that's going through some stuff and you want
to call it a disease and they're trying to get help. Fine,
it doesn't matter. I'm just looking at this more like
clinically sort of, I think it's a mask for something else.
There's a lot of pain, a lot of trauma somewhere
in your life that you're avoiding because this is a
wonderful escape.
Speaker 3: You don't think about anything when you're high, you know
what I mean. You just you can't.
Speaker 2: You laugh, you feel good, your body feels good, you
say things that are funny if you're drinking, you know
what I mean, depending on what you're using. And I
think that that becomes like the mask for the real pain.
And so when somebody goes from partying to the gym
or all of a sudden, somebody becomes like uber christian
like almost like feels like they're overdoing it to a
certain extent, like, oh, they weren't there three months ago,
and now they're baptized and they're handing out the panther.
It does feel like you're not dealing with whatever the
issue is. You found something else to mask that pain,
to keep you away from the pain, right, It keeps
me away from the pain except for those quiet moments.
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at a red light and look around and, GO i
wonder how sober everybody in the other cars really are
at this?
Speaker 5: Moment sobriety not at the red light WHEN i see,
them like driving back and forth in between lanes and,
stupid stuffy, yea and, yes, okay or like if it's snowing,
out But peter, side, no they're in a.
Speaker 2: Hurry but if you got somebody who's, like grip the
wheel or just straight, AHEAD i always go for.
Speaker 1: The coke bottle.
Speaker 3: Glasses well not the coke bottle.
Speaker 2: Glasses, yes well that's, yeah that's somebody who shouldn't probably, too.
Speaker 1: Which is, accurate by the, way.
Speaker 2: BUT i Always and then you look over at somebody
else and you, go either they just left yoga or
a felony because they're, sweaty, stringy you know WHAT i,
Mean they're like AND i can never. Tell and the
REASON i bring this up is there was a headline
WHERE i read that a lady had a headlight.
Speaker 1: Out they pull her. Over she had like expired license or.
Speaker 2: Something so now they search the car and they find
like a ton of meth and a ton of cocaine
and other, Stuff AND i, go you never know who
you're on the road. With you could be on the
road with the family and that's going To, Wagmans and
you could be on the road with someone who's delivered
meth in cocaine, somewhere.
Speaker 3: And you are on the road with those.
Speaker 1: People you just.
Speaker 2: KNOW i remember h at like five o'clock because, we
since we worked odd, hours never really were on the
road when there was real, traffic right.
Speaker 1: Right you missed Those.
Speaker 5: When alex did the traffic reports for, us she, goes
there's no traffic on the road, today and you And
tommy opened.
Speaker 1: Up wait a, Minute wait a, minute there's always.
Speaker 5: Traffic as long as there's a car, somewhere there's traffic.
Speaker 1: The. Top, george hear. This it's we were.
Speaker 3: Awful we were.
Speaker 2: Awful what she meant was no traffic, delays but she
didn't say no.
Speaker 1: Traffic no, traffic cars are off the.
Speaker 4: Road i'm going, listening this is your turn to try
to turn four nine into the autobod because nobody is.
Speaker 3: Around, well NOW i have done that on the uh
you know Loop.
Speaker 2: No uh what is it called out toward The Ontario State?
Parkway is That is that The Ontario state Park way
out by the. Lake, YES i went out there in
a Guy's, portia but it was, manual, okay AND i
was just fucking flying and THEN i needed to come
down real.
Speaker 5: Quick AND i gotta be careful out. There there's a
lot of swamp land you might end up in The.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, NO i was.
Speaker 2: Fine he just said opening, up so you don't have
to tell me, twice wasn't.
Speaker 1: It Billy moran who once, said you're not as good
as you think you are all the.
Speaker 2: TIME i said that all the, time and my sons
remind me. THAT i say to them, often.
Speaker 3: Do you know as good as you think your?
Speaker 1: Dad not as good AS i once.
Speaker 2: Was BUT i always think like human beings are operating
with with like secret.
Speaker 1: Lives oh, YEAH.
Speaker 3: I Mean i'm. Not maybe MAYBE i shouldn't say. Secrets
that's not that's, like are you the person.
Speaker 1: You are at home when you're out in? Public?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well think about the basest form of yourself at.
Speaker 1: Home are you that person in? Public of?
Speaker 2: Course not, no But i'll change. It hidden, lives hidden
lives a thing parts of ourselves that we.
Speaker 5: Hide, yeah you don't see me scratching my belly button
in public, often But i'll do it at.
Speaker 1: Home what's?
Speaker 2: That but how normal someone looks versus what they're carrying
could be completely surprising and.
Speaker 3: Shocking AND i will.
Speaker 2: Tell you the Moment, simpson, right perfect, example perfect.
Speaker 5: Example he ain't kidding he ran for two thousand yards
in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Three is a buffalo. Bill he didn't killed.
Speaker 2: NOBODY i just saw a comic On TikToker. SOMEWHERE i
WISH i got this guy's. Name and he, goes you, know,
ABORTION i MEAN i could see the argument against, it
AND i can see the argument for. It he, goes
let me give you an. Example young woman has a,
baby decides to have the. Baby NOW i put it
up for. Adoption but it's like the nineteen, forties it's
the late nineteen, forties.
Speaker 1: And you, know she. Does this baby gets was, born
and he.
Speaker 2: Gets has grown, up and it becomes like an amazing,
athlete and it sets all kinds of. Records he goes
to THE nfl and it's all kinds of, records and
then afterwards becomes very popular as a. Sportscaster it gets onto,
movies it gets onto all that, stuff and you're, going,
yeah this is why you shouldn't have. Abortion but that.
Speaker 4: Person turned out to be Oh Ja, sipson and he
goes and THERE i kinda, go, well we have the,
abortion we won't have any of these, problems you, know
which is, terrible but it's a funny.
Speaker 2: Joke and WHAT i think sometimes is the greatest thing
about comedy is that you can show our flawed, selves
or even our flawed thinking if you do it, WELL i,
mean or taking two things that just wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Together and.
Speaker 3: You just gotta you, know join them together in some.
Speaker 2: WAY i just think that sometimes comedy could be the
greatest teacher of, things or even the greatest lesson in
our Own, GOD i think that. WAY i should probably
nik get buy of that, way you, Know but that was,
Funny like you, know, No i'm really, glad really. Good
i'll turn you know WHAT i? Mean and so, RIGHT i, mean,
look how rare is? That It's it's a very very
very very rare. Thing here's the REASON i asked this.
Question this lady gets, popped, Right, okay big, deal not
the first, time not going to be the last. Time,
well WHAT i wonder, is and you brought this up
with like the golp ones and what did you say
about golp ones and the pharmaceutical Company.
Speaker 1: They want to keep you hooked for?
Speaker 2: Life, Okay SO I i look at AND i better
living through chemistry right.
Speaker 3: Now sometimes it's a tool if you are.
Speaker 5: Require The arry, bonds, bonds ask for forgiveness, later.
Speaker 3: Very.
Speaker 1: Bonds it's, joke, Right but.
Speaker 3: Okay so.
Speaker 1: If these and some of, Them i'll, say your.
Speaker 2: Tools let's say you're somebody, who's, uh you got a bad,
temper quick, temper and it hasn't served you well for a.
While don't look at me like, that and.
Speaker 1: Don't look at me like.
Speaker 2: That and let's say they put you on a low
dose OF ssr one or what do they call, them, yes, Inhibitors,
okay s SR s that s s all, right thank, You.
Speaker 5: And since you're taking the master's, Classes i'm telling, you,
Well i'll just put on the stuff SO i.
Speaker 1: Know, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Okay did it? Help?
Speaker 2: Yes and it gives you a little bit of a
cushion to actually absorb something before you react to.
Speaker 3: It, yes which is always, better.
Speaker 1: Not for temper but for other. Stuff, yes, okay for.
Speaker 2: Whatever But i'm saying for someone who's got a quick,
temper that could be, it and that's better living through.
Chemistry that's. GREAT i don't even call it. THAT i
would say that's.
Speaker 1: A tool to help you be the best you could. Be,
yes nothing wrong with.
Speaker 2: That but then there's some of these other things where
like it's pain medication and he probably really needed, it
and maybe you get a digger to do, it BUT i,
go but you're getting behind the wheel of the fucking
car and sharing the road with. Me and WHAT i
started to say earlier was when you AND i not
on the roads at the time of traffic and you
brought Up. ALEX i remember being, like not far from
where we're sitting right, now at a traffic, light just
around five, o'clock AND i looked to my right and
there is a guy drinking a beer plain this. Day
he probably was more sober than anybody leaving a. Bar
and by the, way a lot of people, go if
you have that third, drink leave immediately because it's gonna
take a while to get in your, system and if
you get pulled, over you'll probably blow under and you
can keep going home and. Recover but this guy. Was
it's illegal to drink and, drive and he. Was he
was drinking a beer in plain. SIDE i remember looking
at LIKE i had to do a double take. Him
it was he was behind, Me it was in my rearview.
MIRROR i, went what the fun AND i had to
see it WAS i think it was A mults AND
i was, like holy, shit holy, shit, right.
Speaker 5: And you, go, OH i Think i've seen, ACTUALLY i
Think i've actually seen people driving on the way to the,
podcast like those big forty ouncers in the. Car, WELL
i Think i've told you about, it like the first
year we were doing the. Podcast, yeah five six o'clock
in the. Afternoon, yeah guy's drinking.
Speaker 1: One of those pounder. Cans, YEAH i don't. Care, yeah driving.
Amaze and by the, way it Wasn't. Kevin it's it's probably.
Speaker 2: No worse than drinking a diet coke in terms of.
Distractability AND i would assume that's the first. One so
they're not, drunk, right so THEY i, mean you would
get it for open container and you probably that would
just you surp, everything.
Speaker 3: Even whatever YOUR bac. IS i don't, know unless you
have a really good, attorney we could probably argue.
Speaker 2: THAT i have no, Idea BUT i do wonder with
like all the pharmaceutical, companies is you justually want to
get you hooked on something so now you need it
whatever it, is or like.
Speaker 3: It you know you're we don't.
Speaker 2: Know people doc, SHOP i need, THIS i need, this
AND i need, this and they and the two doctors
or three doctors, whatever don't know anybody.
Speaker 1: Else by the, way you could like they could mail
it to you now, Too go To, Roman, yeah get.
Speaker 3: Go to.
Speaker 1: Hymns do you have a history? Depression, yes you might
want to try, This, okay sign me.
Speaker 2: Up, Great, yeah that's how it, works, Right and it
might BE i don't, know maybe it's. OKAY i have no.
Idea i'm Not i'm not. Trying i'm just, saying, LIKE
i just. Wonder WHEN i look, AROUND i, go you
got a phone in?
Speaker 1: There m.
Speaker 2: H and he also could be on. SOMETHING i THINK
i just want to get. Home, yes you, KNOW i,
MEAN i just. Please it's like fucked. Up it's fucked.
Speaker 5: Up and that happens more than you think or more
than you want to. Believe and by the grace Of,
god they're staying between the lines usually.
Speaker 2: Yes, right or a lot of times right, exactly and
that that was all or you know people now with.
Speaker 3: Weed some some.
Speaker 2: People just oh, dude that is taking a little gummy
and you know they're doing thirty five and.
Speaker 5: Well megan McCain came out, Yesterday john McCain's, daughter and
she used to be on the view of, course and
she says she she regrets pushing for the legalization of
marijuana because of that very. Reason really that, like now
we have created a generation of. Zombies but we can't
tell if that because, like you could smell alcohol at
somebody you've been.
Speaker 3: Drinking, oh you can smell.
Speaker 1: Weed, wow you'll smell. Weed you, can't, like, oh, god,
gummy you.
Speaker 3: Can't.
Speaker 1: DUDE i went To wegmans the other. Day i'm standing
in the.
Speaker 5: CHECKOUT i like the like the five items are, less and.
Speaker 1: DUDE i could smell the. Weed, okay did you? People did?
Speaker 2: You now here's the. Thing, now you got to turn
that into a. Game you gotta before you find the,
person you gotta guess what they're.
Speaker 3: Buying, oh that'll be. Right if you smell the weed and.
Speaker 2: You're at a grocery, store you gotta guess what's in
that person's.
Speaker 3: Cart you gotta.
Speaker 2: Look it's gotta be, like you, Know, dorito's and it's
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i believe in The, south and he was accused OF
i don't know that he ever had physical, contact But
i'm pretty sure he sent text of his junk to
a sixteen.
Speaker 1: Year old at the school.
Speaker 2: And it was being talked about around the library table
and somebody overheard, it and SO i don't know how
if they got a hold of. IT i don't know
if there was proof of. This so, yeah the headline is.
Missing excuse, me it Was virginia The. South Missing virginia
football Coach Travis turner allegedly sexted explicit photos to a.
Speaker 3: Sixteen year old.
Speaker 2: Girl he's forty, six, married father of, three and allegedly
sent the DISTURBING x rated messages over a three month.
Stretch he was the head coach at a high. School
first came the accusation and then police became. Involved, Okay
he's been missing Since november of twenty twenty five. Missing,
okay last scene walking into the woods with a.
Speaker 1: Gun you think he became the.
Speaker 5: Sasquatchphone, okay that's why he went to a gorilla costume
and started playing the.
Speaker 1: Sacks, nope, okay, nope you think he probably alive to.
Himself that's What i'm. Thinking that's What i'm. Thinking that
makes the most.
Speaker 2: Sense but hang, On, however according to this article that
the day he did, that the police were on their
way to his.
Speaker 3: HOUSE i believe to arrest.
Speaker 2: Them, Okay i'm pretty sure that the WAY i read the,
article it said that. Disappeared, okay the forty six man
father have vanished late late last year as they were
on the way to grill him over child porn and exploitation.
Accusations that so they were Allegedly that makes it sound
like he knew they were, coming and they were on
their way now and he just went into the. Woods
how would he know they were? Coming they usually don't
call for an. Invite, yeah somebody tip them off. Inside
so here's here's my. Question if you are in this,
situation AND i would never endorse on a live in,
YOURSELF i would, think, well let, ME i GUESS i
just did by, saying if you're at the very, end
but if you're an able, bodied a forty something year
old father of three kids who's the esteemed high school football, COACH.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't encourage you to go on alive.
Speaker 2: Yourself, however this is an accusation that could absolutely have
you lose everything in your. Life and WHEN i say,
EVERYTHING i mean your kids may never.
Speaker 1: Talk to you. Again, right there's a.
Speaker 2: Chance, yeah definitely your, Wife you're gonna wind up going
through a. Divorce everybody's gonna find out about it because
it's a small. Town your, parents everybody's, there and you're
just in that, moment the police are on their way
and you go into the, woods And i'm.
Speaker 3: Thinking like you, said he was tipped.
Speaker 2: Off but it wouldn't surprise me if there was somebody
who just really liked this, guy another like a police.
Speaker 1: Officer that's a small. Town one of the police officers
may have been someone who grew up with.
Speaker 2: Him oh it could, be or it could also be
somebody on his coaching staff call him up and, go, hey,
MAN i just want to let you know they're on the.
Way and what if he said to this guy because he.
Vanished it's impossible to. Vanish how far could he have? Gone,
well it's impossible to just. Vanish, YEAH i mean it'd
be nice if this guy, was you, know down trying
to get some sixteen year old tail In brazil or.
Speaker 1: Something right, now well look at.
Speaker 2: That but, NO i don't think that it was last
seeing with the, gun and no one.
Speaker 3: Knows So i'm wondering.
Speaker 2: If he said to the police, Officer, hey, Listen i'm
going up to the tree stand in the, woods he,
goes And i'm gonna unlive. Myself they're gonna be looking
on the. Ground they're not gonna find. Me come get my,
Body come get. Me EVENTUALLY i would find. Me they
haven't so unless it was so. Cold but It's. Virginia
they haven't had you know WHAT i? Mean, right so
you come get me and just just get rid of.
Speaker 3: Me just get rid of. ME i want to.
Speaker 1: Disappear i'm leaving the. Planet would you do? It?
Speaker 3: No see NOW i THINK i.
Speaker 1: MIGHT i might.
Speaker 2: Go, YEAH i get, IT i get. It this is
a tough one to deal. With you would lose. Everything
it would be.
Speaker 5: Hard lose, Everything, dan you be the odds are you
Would but it's not one hundred you need.
Speaker 1: Your name smeared to the. Mud your kid's getting teased
at school all this.
Speaker 5: Ship it's not like they're not going to if you're, Gone, well,
no you might get a little.
Speaker 2: Sympathy you might GET i, know your dad, Disappeared LIKE
i know this, stuff BUT i don't believe it.
Speaker 3: Happened you know What i'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, Yeah, okay if there's a trial and there's, proof
all of a, sudden it's kind of puts a whole.
Speaker 1: Thing.
Speaker 2: Now the bad part is that allegedly the parents of the,
girl the family are saying this was going on and the.
Speaker 1: School pushed it off so they could get through the.
Speaker 5: Playoffs that's that's that's Totally, yeah that makes total sense
That Southern.
Speaker 1: School, yes, YES i think they got to put this
off until we. Lose they said something, like, WELL i, mean,
dude that's what happened At. Michigan, YES I Withroona. Moore,
yeah can just get through the.
Speaker 5: Season, yeah because as soon as they lost To Ohio,
state all of a, sudden Prominent michigan alumni in media
we're getting, Texts oh, yeah this is this is going
to get.
Speaker 1: Ugly, yeah they're, like what are you talking?
Speaker 2: About, Now, look there are people that are are called.
Speaker 3: Maps do you know what a map?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 1: Yeah you?
Speaker 3: Do what is?
Speaker 1: It they're called minor attracted.
Speaker 2: Persons right, NOW i have, Said i'm not sure that
this guy was a minor attracted. Person and and just
on the. DEFENSE a lot of times it doesn't say
he worked at the, school doesn't say. That but many
times it's like a teacher who also picks up some.
COACHING a lot of times in, football it's the gym, guy,
right the gym. Teacher, NOW i remember a high school
gym teacher saying to, me AND i was an, adult that.
Speaker 3: He's, like you gotta be really.
Speaker 2: Careful he, goes because like if you're sitting at the
edge of the bleachers and you, know you're just checking
off the attendance while the kids go through a stretching,
container some of the girls will come over and he,
goes they actually like put their breast like on your
on your, shoulder on your shoulder and press in and he,
Goes you've got to be really, careful but you can
and see where some guys.
Speaker 1: We're, like, good damn, baby you're.
Speaker 3: Good you know WHAT i?
Speaker 1: Mean that's it's. Terrible it's.
Speaker 3: TERRIBLE i.
Speaker 1: Know i'm not trying to endorse. This i'm just saying.
Speaker 2: That he even, said you got to like really mind
your p's and q's and go back.
Speaker 3: Up you have to back.
Speaker 2: Up but he's, like you never want to like put
yourself in a situation where you were almost brought into
something where you accidentally brushed, against or.
Speaker 5: Reduce the risk class all those things you have to
teach you about personal, space crazy, stuff, Right so never
be alone with the kid so they never give them
a ride.
Speaker 2: Home my point in saying this is he may not
have been a minor attracted. PERSON a lot of times
minor attracted people are are attracted to there there was.
Speaker 1: Allegedly WHAT i, mean like a. Pedophile well that's me
you have to.
Speaker 3: Be you can be a minor attracted person and never
act on.
Speaker 1: It, OKAY i see. You so that wouldn't be a.
PEDOPHILE i, See that's All i'm. Saying Ok, WELL i.
Speaker 2: Guarantee that you AND i know people we don't know,
it but they're minor attracted.
Speaker 1: Persons, weird but they've never done.
Speaker 3: Yet they we wouldn't won't do. It, yeah right, now there.
Speaker 2: Are there was a thing called THE, nambla The National
association Of Man Boy.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 5: YEAH i thought that was, fake But South park did
an episode about.
Speaker 1: That oh, no it was.
Speaker 2: Real, YEAH i, KNOW i, know, Yeah and they're, saying
was this is? Disgusting SHOULD i say sex before eight
before it's too? Late and they don't mean the, time, Right,
Okay so that was that was their. Thing AND i
remember my dad when he was working with the, center
he was, yeah, yes but it was not the national
one but, okay. Uh and their purpose was to work
with the family and the kids that were left.
Speaker 3: Behind his friend was a therapist or a social, worker
un licensed social worker.
Speaker 1: Anymore it to work.
Speaker 2: With the kids and the family that was left me
home because all mom and dad's attention go on the
missing child and what happens in the, home and then
what happens when the kid comes. Back and it Was
Stephen stainer who at, fifteen When Timothy white was abducted
by the same guy And stephen was no longer the,
Interest stephen turned them. In he had seen himself on
milk cartons and, everything but the guy brainwashed him and
bought theom gifts and treated him. Well other THAN i don't,
Know friday night date. NIGHT i don't know what it was,
called but you understand What i'm, saying, right not to
make light of. That but so Then stephen comes home
and it's like the family only remembers the seven or
eight year old boy that, left so they started treating
him like, that and it was a really difficult thing for.
Them and THEN i know they were trying to study
for a while And stephen wound up being killed in
a motorcycle.
Speaker 3: Accident SO i don't that kind OF i can't study that.
Speaker 2: Now but the minor attractive person stuff IS i have,
said where if if we go with the argument that
you are born this, way whatever, way that is, right
If i'm somebody who's attracted to the same, sex, right
many times.
Speaker 3: There are certain.
Speaker 2: Religions and things that have, said how bad that is,
right how wrong that is my, grandmother my grandmother Was.
Catholic they did do, That, okay so and she was
very very vocal about all this.
Speaker 3: Stuff, now let's say you're.
Speaker 2: A minor attractive, person but you're born that, way if
you're born to be attracted to the same sex or,
whatever and you kind of can't control that it's just
innate in.
Speaker 3: You could The maps thing be innate in?
Speaker 2: You but it's just so bad in society you would
fucking ruin someone like you know What i'm.
Speaker 3: Saying so here's.
Speaker 1: Me i'm.
Speaker 2: NOT i don't find this. FUNNY i have suggested this many.
Times we now have a and we HAVE ai robots and.
Things what if we gave the maps.
Speaker 1: An eight year old version that looks like an Eight oh, Jeez.
Speaker 2: I'm, Asking AND i know this sounds, funny But i'm
asking from a very ethical. Standpoint maybe they're brilliant contributors
to society, taxpayers are you? Straight neighbors keep their nons,
immaculate so, wonderful and oh my, god have you had
their upside down pineapple cake At christmas? Time?
Speaker 3: Phenomenal i'm just, saying.
Speaker 1: Never want to give a? Map, yes a? Robot, yes
an eight year old?
Speaker 2: Robot you got your don't, know not an eight year
old robot looks like an eight year old?
Speaker 1: Human, well that's, well that will be a. Robot, yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Not a real, person, right it's a. Robot But i'm
not saying you said eight year old.
Speaker 1: ROBOT i not the.
Speaker 5: ROBOT i don't believe that would, work BECAUSE i believe
that they, get, like like anything, else they would get
sick of that.
Speaker 1: And then go for the real.
Speaker 5: THING i just, wondering remember our first conversation about about
addictions and stuff like that, earlier that you can't, like
like his alcohol is really a.
Speaker 1: Disease that's really a, Disease, billy or is it a? Perversion?
Yeah well they were born that. Way well then you
got to be born. Again AND i know people to
want to hear, that but.
Speaker 3: Hey i'm just. SAYING i, mean that was.
Speaker 1: It that was.
Speaker 3: All that was. All that was just my. Thought i've
had that thought for a while BECAUSE i, go.
Speaker 2: Here's the.
Speaker 1: THING i understand the logic behind. That thank.
Speaker 3: YOU i thought so.
Speaker 5: Too people on paper understand the logic behind. Communism but
it's a terrible idea and it's been.
Speaker 3: TESTED i don't think this is a terrible.
Speaker 1: IDEA i think this is an idea, that.
Speaker 2: With the world we live in, today might actually be
beneficial in some.
Speaker 3: FASHION i don't.
Speaker 5: Know it's, like, hey let's give a heroin addict some
heroin because a clean. Needle, yeah because you, KNOW.
Speaker 1: I didn't say. THAT i know what you're.
Speaker 3: DOING i know what you're, saying like apples to, apples
or or.
Speaker 1: If you get a rested as a, map do we
just have a prison before we?
Speaker 2: Go, hey you want to have some fun? Today what
are you doing two? O'clock meet me over at the
so so. Prison weren't gonna let lose a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of eight year old robots and see what? Happened?
Oh What i'm just, saying like in, theory in, theory just. Theory,
damn that's ALL i.
Speaker 3: Mean it's like.
Speaker 2: This IF i see a guy walking into the woods
by himself with a, Gun i'm not thinking he's going to, meditate.
Speaker 1: Or he could be.
Speaker 2: Hunting, yep, yep certainly not a meditation. Retreat but this,
GUY i was just, wondering because shame is a brutal.
Emotion it, is and this, guy you would deny or
whatever or, deflect but at some point the truth catches
up with.
Speaker 1: You and.
Speaker 3: The worst part to me in all of this is
his kids are left without the proverbial. Closure i'm not
sure if you really want.
Speaker 2: It he would always want to be, remembered AND i
think that was kind of maybe if this guy did off,
himself that it was the.
Speaker 3: Driving thought behind. HIM i don't want my kids to
go through.
Speaker 5: THAT i remember WHEN Oj simpson was driving down the
four h five with al colleagues Or Al collins was driving,
him and he was riding and my father said.
Speaker 1: This he, goes this sounds.
Speaker 5: Awful i'm fourteen years old WATCHING oj, right and he
got THE Nba finals in the small, box and my father.
Speaker 1: Goes it might be better off if he just did
away with. Himself, YEAH i, mean can you write to
understand the?
Speaker 5: Logic it sounds on paper like it makes. Sense, Yes BUT.
Speaker 1: Oj got free and didn't see that. COMING i wonder
what life would have been like had he done. THAT i.
Speaker 5: WONDER i, mean, clearly we wouldn't have never had the.
Trial we would have never have had all the backlash
that went with the, trial.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i mean.
Speaker 2: Nothing then what happens to the family of The oldberg
family in The Browns oldberg was THE tv show forgive,
me but The goldman family, right who just by like
was not.
Speaker 3: Targeted she was.
Speaker 2: Targeted he happened to be just, there you, know for
whatever the thing. WAS i don't even think LIKE i
think it was alleged they were having an. AFFAIR i
don't think there was any of. THAT i think he
was just knew her had become friendly in some way
and was bringing back sunglasses that she had.
Speaker 1: Left maybe maybe THEN i say it out, Loud.
Speaker 5: MAYBE i don't think. SO i think there was something
going on. There BUT i mean because he was, very
he was. Very somebody said they were the most non
divorced divorced couple you'd ever.
Speaker 2: Meet you know, what a lot of people will say
the difference between sinners and saints is, behavior AND i
think that the difference between sinners and saints in real
life is one of the truth catches.
Speaker 5: Up then we get to see who's what you, know
and then we find out we're all, sinners not, Me
yeah we.
Speaker 1: Are the real difference is when the truth catches up to.
You that's.
Speaker 2: All, Oh danny's always.
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