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Speaker 1: Let's talk. Miles Bridges traded to the Phoenix Suns in

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quite the deal. So trade details per the Phoenix, the

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Charlotte Hornets are getting Royce O'Neil who was two years

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and twenty two point five million left on his deal,

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Grayson Allen two years and thirty seven point five million

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dollars left on his deal, and an unprotectives Phoenix twenty

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thirty three first round pick. The Suns are getting Miles

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Bridges on an expiring contract, a twenty twenty nine first

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round pick it's the least favorable of Charlotte, Cleveland, Minnesota,

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and Utah, and then a twenty twenty seven second round pick,

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which is the least favorable of Boston, New Orleans, Orlando

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and Portland. They also created a ten point eight million

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dollar traded player exception. And just for some financial details

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here the Hornets are now, They're still close to fifty

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million dollars under the luxury tax, and the Suns are

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about eleven million below the second apron, which would put

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them if they wanted to duck the tax, which I'm

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not mattach Bia has proven he will pay. They have

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like another ten to eleven million to go if they're

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looking to shed enough salary to duck the tax. They

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do not necessarily have the tools to shave said salary

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after giving away their I would argue their single best

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trade asset in this trade grant, which team do you

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want to start with here?

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Speaker 2: I'd say we better start with Well, I think the

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Charlotte's side is easier, so we can start there. You

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turn Miles Bridges into two players who I guess you're not.

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I mean, nas Reed being there means that Bridges is

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more expendable. If you think Reed is just gonna play

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a bunch of four, I would I think everyone other

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than the Suns would rather just have O'Neill and Allen,

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even if Allen might be a little overpaid. But like

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I don't know, shooting comes at a premium, and that

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dude's one of the best shooters of the last decade,

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so that that matters. O'Neil is still a playable combo forward,

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and they got the better of the draft capital exchanging hands,

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so Charlotte wins here. Like I just don't see to

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say nothing of just like you don't have Miles Bridges

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around anymore. I feel like this is an unequivocal success

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for Charlotte. I just don't you would have to talk

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me into this making just any part of this being

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a mistake on Charlotte's side of it, don't. I don't

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see how this is anything but to win.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a huge victory for them and they're

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taking on. We'll see if they expand the deal. There's

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been talk of maybe Minnesota could come in and get

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Royce O'Neal instead of Josh Green because they need a four.

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But and if you honestly, if you're Charlotte, you might

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prefer that just because Josh Green is an expiring contract, right,

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He's a little bit more expensive. But yeah, this is

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a home run for Charlotte and they now have three

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first round picks in twenty thirty three in their own,

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Minnesota's and Phoenixes. And I think in the new lottery era,

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just having more draft picks spread out from different teams

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where you don't necessarily want to corner the market. Look

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at Portland with Milwaukee as an example. Those Bucks picks

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are still valuable, but cornering the market on future Bucks

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picks I don't think is nearly as valuable, especially if

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it's in the same draft as having multiple picks from

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different teams, because it just increases the range. I mean,

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because you're no longer as a team if you're trying

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to whether they want to trade these picks or they

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end up using them themselves. You're not trying to sit

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there and think, well, which team will be worse like

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the worst in five years. It's which team will kind

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of be in the middle outside the relegation zone, have

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the eight eight and a half percent chance of leaping

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into to wherever. And Charlotte I think picked two great

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teams like the Wolves. I like the LaMelo trade for them,

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but that's high ceiling, low floor, I think you could

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argue for sure. And then the Suns. This pick conveys

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like the booker is going to be collecting Social Security

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by the time this pick conveys. So yeah, I don't

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know what the argument against this trade would be for Charlotte.

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And by the way, I said this, so to put

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it on record, it makes me understand the LaMelo ball

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trade a little bit more as someone who is not

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overly in favor of it. This is just a trade

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you do regardless whether you still have the Melo ball

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and the roster or not. But clearly This wasn't just

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Charlotte looking at LaMelo Ball and saying, well, he's just

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not it. We need to get LaMelo Ball out of here.

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I think this is more of a wholesale organizational decision

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at this point to say we don't want to come

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along too quickly or have to reinvest in a roster

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that we don't believe is going to scale to title

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contention as currently constructed anytime soon. So I understand the

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Melo Ball trade more now. Doesn't have to like it

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because I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think. I mean, they picked the

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right team to transact with too, not just because of

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the potential value of that twenty thirty three pick. I think.

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I don't think Bridge is getting you a superior first

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round asset and two like on their faces, just better

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contracts from anybody else. I think the Michigan State thing

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is playing a real role here. I think name recognition,

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which is a Phoenix favorite, or at least was every

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year up until this past one, we could just pivot

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to the Phoenix side of this. I think, if you're

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ready like I, this is one of those moves where

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it's like, okay, we had to give the Sun's credit

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last year for what they did and and I mean

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to some extent, their transactions before this trade were like

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the Gillespie deal is good, the good Win deal is good.

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That yeah, yeah, even Mark Williams deal was awful, but

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I could I didn't need that.

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Speaker 1: But they looked at him and said he wasn't he

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didn't help us in the playoffs. We need to pay

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this guy after we get it's not that was.

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Speaker 2: The worst of the three by a mile, but it

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wasn't like a critical failure because like it's under forty

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million dollars total, Like that's not that's not awful.

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Speaker 1: We are starting to rack up the Hornets are starting

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to rack up some trade victories against the Sons now

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though if you date back to the Mark Williams trade

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and now that they're getting progressively worse from.

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Speaker 2: But this is one of those moves from the Suns

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where it's kind of where it made me sit back

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and say, oh, yeah, the whole like Bradley Beal, Kevin

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Durant like total nonsense era is not completely like cleansed

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from the way that they are thinking. Not that Bridges

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is anything like that, but it's one of this is

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just a dumb, bad deal. I think of looking at

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it today, but it just feels like this wasn't something

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a not emotionally connected. It just the Michigan state of it.

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It feels just way too prominent because I don't understand

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why this was. This can't have been bridges market maybe

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is what I'm trying to drive at, Like this feels

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like they want this guy and they're overpaying to get him,

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and that's the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think part of it it had to be

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part of the calculus was we want to get off

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the final seasons of the Grayson Allen and Royce O'Neill.

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They save money as part of this trade too, like immediately.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just look at it like, Okay, you

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don't want the back end of those You don't think

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you can move Grayson Allen if he's shooting like normal,

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Grayson Allen on the as an expiring deal next year

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for like decent for some value, Like you can't you

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can't get two seconds for Grayson Allen on that deal

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at the deadline in twenty twenty eight. I don't know, man,

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I think you could.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. I'm just trying to understand it no.

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Speaker 2: Dante from Phoenix's side. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, here's the other thing, indefensibly here too.

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They gave up a twenty thirty three first round pick.

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So do you know what's gonna happen next? And I

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think Suns fans understand this. The Miles Bridges extension is

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coming down soon as well. And that's so is that

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someone you want to pay long term? Forget about? But

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don't forget about it, but cast aside the morality of

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it all. This is a terrible basketball decision by the

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Phoenix Suns. He does. When you've looked at Miles Bridges' career,

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even in his best seasons, his most efficient seasons, his

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most useful seasons on the basketball court, I think you

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could make the case that he is one of the

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biggest empty calorie guys in the entire NBA.

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Speaker 2: He was the fourth best player, maybe fifth after Kobe

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White got there on a team that couldn't get out

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of the plane. And you're your exchange. You're giving up

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a better first round asset to get him as and

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he's an athleticism bass player who's continuing to age. Like

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I don't, I don't, I don't see the I mean,

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by the way, there are a number they could extend him,

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they could sign him to that would change anything, or

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where the morality comes in, it's like we just don't

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you just don't want this guy on your team.

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Speaker 1: Right, which I think it's a fair opinion to hold.

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I don't think anyone can expect people to say, well,

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we only need to look at this through a basketball lens,

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because one, this is one of those instances where okay,

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let's do that. Trade sucks. The morality issue makes it

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even worse than And by the way, also notable the Hornets,

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who are top five in offense and defense for most

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of last season. I've seen a lot of framing post

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January first, since Thanksgiving or from Thanksgiving onward. Last year

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top five in offense and defense, the Hornets were worse

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at both ends of the floor. With Miles Bridges on

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the court. This is this is I don't actually understand

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the thinking behind this. For Phoenix, are there more moves

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coming where they're going to access the full non tax

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mle I got nothing to hear because who are you

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getting with that? And by the way, yeah you needed

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more of a scoring four. I don't know, like, yeah, okay,

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the need that you want from that position? What is up, fellasickos.

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Speaker 1: And now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: What's the outcome that I think we both we both

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are very clearly saying we would not have done this

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deal and a lot of that has to do with

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just you don't want to be in from Phoenix's side,

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We just don't want Miles Bridges on the roster. What

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is the outcome encompassing like how O'Neil plays, how Alan plays,

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how Bridges plays, that you would have we would have

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to look back at it and say, well, I wouldn't

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have done it, but I get it. So does O'Neil

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have to be cooked right? And then Alan has to

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be plagued by injury not shooting it well enough. You

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can't trade either of those guys for anything, and Bridges

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is a quality starter. Does Is that enough? Because to

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me the pink exchange still favors Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think there's no, but there is no justification

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that you can spin where you understand the draft compensation

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going either way. And one of the spins that I

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have seen is now the Suns open up the ability

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to trade two first round picks. Do you know how

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many first round picks they had the ability to trade

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before this deal? Grant?

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Speaker 2: Let me get my calculator. Okay, go ahead, how many?

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Speaker 1: Well, so carry this through?

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Speaker 2: Two? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Two?

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Speaker 2: Just two different ones.

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Speaker 1: It's two different ones. And by the way, you gave

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going to be allowed to trade. Is still the twenty

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thirty three Crown Jewel. I don't. I wanted to add.

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The other thing I wanted to ask you is, do

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you think by taking Grayson Allen and exchanging Grayson Allen

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and Royce O'Neil for Miles Bridges, do you think you've

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somehow ensured that more minutes will go to Rashier Fleming,

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who this team is incredibly That's not a reason to

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make the deal. I'm just trying to understand the new

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that everyone's in the Phoenix area has talked about how

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Fleming is in line for a much bigger role next season.

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I guess this in theory makes it easier to play him,

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But there's also Miles Bridges is more likely to be

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a thirty plus minutes per game guy, especially if you're

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gonna pay him then Royce O'Neil and Grayson Allen. So

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I don't even know if that part holds weight. It

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doesn't help, Does it help with the development of Come

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on Mile Watch It all? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't think it makes worse. But what you if

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those are your concerns what you do is you trade

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O'Neil and or Allen for second rounders.

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Speaker 1: Or you or you attached playing rounders to.

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Speaker 2: Move them if you really need to, you don't give

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up that twenty thirty three and take on a guy

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that we both agree is like just not of no

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ed starter.

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Speaker 1: And you don't get I mean, maybe Jordan not would

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make the decision if he's that bad, but you could

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have not played Grace and Allen a Royce O'Neill. And

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it's talked about all this money on the books, how

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they're supposed to move them. You don't get Miles Bridges,

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and if it doesn't, you can't not play Miles Bridges.

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Now you have to give him thirty to thirty four

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minutes per game. And so now you've boxed yourself in

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because of the equity you invested him in. This is

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we are in a golden age of really shitty NBA

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ownership at this point. This is you look at matt Ishpia,

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you look at we don't even talk about the Addlestons

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in Dallas. Someone pointed at me on Blue Sky, which

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is kind of just James Dolan won the championship, but

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it is still a fucking moron. It's still running around.

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Do look the Kings, as we record this grant, are

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in the luxury tax. These Sacramento Kings are gonna have

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to wave and stretch tomart Rosen to lower their luxury

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tax bill. They'll get out of the tax.

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Speaker 2: But you're really I hadn't really thought about that, but

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we have got that. This is it's really something right now.

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It's it's it's they're out, They're all they're just doing

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dumb stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any such thing as an altruistic billionaire.

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If there is, someone can correct me. But like even

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by those standards, like by those standards, like the NBA

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is kind of pushing the limits here by letting these

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subprime mortgage lending shitheads and venture capitalists got like in

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the background. It's a disaster. And this is the Suns fans.

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I have not seen any reaction in support of this trade,

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which is that's impressive. Yeah, that's to make a trade

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that no one can support in your family, that's impressive.

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Speaker 2: That's it's hard to do. I mean the Suns fans

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do have well, I mean that some of them were

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on board with all the nonsense A couple of years ago, and.

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Speaker 1: But what is your team now? So you're gonna pay

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Miles Bridges, You're gonna extend Dylan Brooks, you have Devin Booker,

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Cong Gillespie, Jordan Goodwin, Your center spot is bigs or

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Mark Williams, Osagadaro whatever, come on, model watch becomes you

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have a sheer fleming. I'm nine y right now? What

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is that? What is that nine man? Like? What if

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that's your nine man rotation? I'm trying to I'm gonna

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look and see if I left anybody out off cough here?

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What is that? In the wet? Ryan done? What do

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we like? You drafted co Opete? Not someone I was

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super high on, but he's definitely a two like he

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has his utility. He's like kind of though, I feel

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like there's redundancy with OsO for sure, Like what is

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that nine or ten man rotation? Heyward high Smith is

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still flowing around here? That's fun? Are they?

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Speaker 2: If the West they won forty five games last year

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over or under under? I think so too under.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because I don't think it's because of

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this trade. The West is going to get better. And

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what you've done is you've expended equity major equity now

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without getting better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and we got to I'm trying to train

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myself to say, to not think in the old lottery

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setup where it's like, well, what's the value of forty

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whatever wins like that matters more so if they win

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forty three and make the play in which would have

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been good enough last year or whatever. All right, that's

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not as fatal as it used to be when you're

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giving up, and not that they have these picks anyway. Right.

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That's the other thing is like bottoming out is not

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really a great option. So like I it's it's just

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if you even if you don't care about previous incentives

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relative to the lottery position or the new ones, this

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is just a bad transaction, like value wise. So I

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think that's I mean, that's as simple as I think

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I can make my stance on.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. As always, though, weave the shout out

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to the one, the only, mister Frankni Lakina and apologies

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to Jared Allen