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<v Speaker 1>Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do for your country.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister gorbachaw tear down this wall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Ricorche podcast with Charles C. W. Cook and

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Hayward. I'm James Lylyx. Today we talked to Nolah

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<v Speaker 1>Rothman eventually about Syria, but before that all sorts of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's saberselfs a podcast and from very high sources,

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<v Speaker 3>very qualified sources, very responsible sources.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you the real deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Iran launched a mother ship probably about a month ago

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<v Speaker 3>that contains these drones.

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<v Speaker 4>Ladies and gentlemen. As you know, I'm in the final

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<v Speaker 4>weeks of my presidency.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't have to clap for that. You can if

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<v Speaker 5>you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody eats the Ricchet podcast number what is it?

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<v Speaker 5>It is seven hundred and twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I'm James Lylyx in bone achingly called Minneapolis, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikes are eleven and two and I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Cook in Florida where the jaguars are in

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<v Speaker 1>the Little Trine but I assume it's warm. And Stephen Heyward,

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<v Speaker 1>who is where exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the LA area today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm finally back from running around over in Europe for

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<v Speaker 3>an earlier month.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm back on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Left coast like a colossus.

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<v Speaker 1>We straddle the nation before we get to the interesting

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<v Speaker 1>things of the day. Something else that is an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing of the day. I understand, Charlie, that you survived

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant explosion.

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<v Speaker 6>This is so bizarre that I still can't believe that

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<v Speaker 6>it happened, and I especially can't believe normal was hurt badly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yesterday I went for lunch with a friend. We sat

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<v Speaker 6>at the bar, as we often do. The bar is

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<v Speaker 6>relatively close to the kitchen, and about eight to ten

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<v Speaker 6>minutes into having sat down, we order glass of wine

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<v Speaker 6>and there is an almighty explosion, and the rush of

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<v Speaker 6>air that comes out of the kitchen, along with a

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<v Speaker 6>noise I've never heard before, pushes us partially off our seats.

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<v Speaker 4>It was that straw.

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<v Speaker 6>And we quickly looked around and realized we were fine,

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<v Speaker 6>no pain, all our limbs still on. And we look

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<v Speaker 6>over at the kitchen and it's evident that the oven

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<v Speaker 6>in the restaurant's kitchen has.

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<v Speaker 4>Exploded and the doors have flown off.

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<v Speaker 6>And I thought, all right, I'm fine, but someone's dead

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<v Speaker 6>in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my next fear.

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<v Speaker 6>Was not for myself, because by this point it was

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<v Speaker 6>clear that I was fine, and my friend was fine,

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<v Speaker 6>and everyone else around us was fine. But I thought

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<v Speaker 6>someone must be dead in the kitchen because it was

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<v Speaker 6>an enormous explosion that's caused damage to the restaurant, and

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<v Speaker 6>the doors have flown off, and we were nearly knocked

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<v Speaker 6>up our seats and so on.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no one was, as it happened.

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<v Speaker 6>The chef who had been operating the oven had walked

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<v Speaker 6>out of the kitchen on the other side just before

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<v Speaker 6>this happened, so he was fine. The others in the

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<v Speaker 6>kitchen were too far away from the oven to have

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<v Speaker 6>been hit by anything. But it was just the most

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<v Speaker 6>bizarre thing that has happened to me in a long time,

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<v Speaker 6>and it really does make you realize.

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<v Speaker 4>How random life can be.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, we didn't go to that restaurant because it's

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of tradition. We don't go there every week.

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<v Speaker 6>I just said, you want to have lunch, he said,

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<v Speaker 6>When I said twelve, he said sure. I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I won't mention it. I don't want to get them

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<v Speaker 6>in the bad books. But I said, what about there,

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<v Speaker 6>and he said, sure, why not? I mean, I could

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<v Speaker 6>have picked any other restaurant off the top of my head.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a bunch of them, and it would just happened

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<v Speaker 6>to be that when it just happened to me after

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<v Speaker 6>we sat down, had things been slightly different, I suppose

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<v Speaker 6>I could be telling this story now from the hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>But really, apparently what had.

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<v Speaker 6>Happened was that the oven was new, it had only

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<v Speaker 6>just been installed, and when it had been installed, something

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<v Speaker 6>evidently had gone wrong in the installation process. Someone had

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<v Speaker 6>screwed up, and they'd been a build up of gas,

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna blame it on your soufle you ordered try.

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<v Speaker 6>But my goodness me, what a bizarre experience. I still

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<v Speaker 6>can't believe it happened. I woke up this morning, I thought, did.

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<v Speaker 4>I dream that? But no, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope they comped your desserts. At least they didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's a weird thing, is I was waiting

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<v Speaker 6>for them to say, obviously, this glass of wine is

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<v Speaker 6>on us, because you know we killed you right.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we're glad you survived.

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<v Speaker 1>And gas explosions do not usually end well, and this

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<v Speaker 1>one seems to have done so so good. We can

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<v Speaker 1>take that one off. You can look over your shoulder

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<v Speaker 1>for a little while, wondering if actually the gods are

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<v Speaker 1>throwing bolts down at you and missing. But but but

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<v Speaker 1>we hope not.

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<v Speaker 6>I tell you a twenty second story just before you start.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, absolutely killed me recently. So I was reading

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<v Speaker 6>this book about the Second World War, and when bombs

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<v Speaker 6>started falling on London, it was clear that they had

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<v Speaker 6>come from airplanes, and so the public was aware of

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<v Speaker 6>what was going on. But when the Germans started developing

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<v Speaker 6>their rockets, you couldn't see or hear them until the

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<v Speaker 6>last minute, and the British found out what was happening,

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<v Speaker 6>but they didn't want the Germans to know that they

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<v Speaker 6>knew what was happening, and so they weren't allowed to

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<v Speaker 6>acknowledge or report on it. And so the British government's

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<v Speaker 6>line when the V ones and V two started hitting

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<v Speaker 6>London was their gas maines. It's a gas explosion. And

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<v Speaker 6>so the British public was much smarter than this. Started

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<v Speaker 6>Riley describing the explosions to each other as flying gas maines.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's tremendous. Ah, Yes, that indomitable British spirit, the

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<v Speaker 1>stiff upper lip in the face of et cetera. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's grand. Let us cast ourize about the country. We

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<v Speaker 1>will be talking about the killer of the Bryant of

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<v Speaker 1>the United Healthcare CEO a little bit later, and things

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. Penny wise. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>that he wrote for n R, detailing the number of

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<v Speaker 1>the exact crimes of the people who have been pardoned

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<v Speaker 1>by the administration. Now, we always expect that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at these and like, oh, I already

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<v Speaker 1>pardon that guy? Whoa, Yeah, that wouldn't that doesn't sound fair,

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of shrug and we're accustomed to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does seem like a remarkable list of financial fraunsters.

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<v Speaker 1>And for an administration and a party that is supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of the little people against those elites who

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<v Speaker 1>extract money from the system becauld satisfy their raw capitalistic urges,

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite quite the rundown. Stephen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I think what's going on here, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think we'll want to scrutinize the list closely see

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<v Speaker 3>if Jim Biden and other members of the family or

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<v Speaker 3>snuck in under a pseudonym or something, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't seem that maybe it's preparing the ground for

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<v Speaker 3>those self serving pardons that he wants to give. But

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<v Speaker 3>it also makes my mind run back to those flurry

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<v Speaker 3>of pardons that Bill Clinton gave on his last day

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<v Speaker 3>in office, which we remember Mark Rich, you know, had

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<v Speaker 3>what he debated, one hundred million dollars in taxes or something,

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<v Speaker 3>and lots and lots of other people, including as I recall,

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<v Speaker 3>one person who had been jailed whose crime I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why it's a federal crime was rolling back automobile odometers.

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<v Speaker 3>How did that guy qualify for a pardon? Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the psychological explanation then was this was Clinton stabbing

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<v Speaker 3>back at the prosecutorial mindset that led to Ken's starr

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<v Speaker 3>and this was just him lashing out and latching back

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<v Speaker 3>and wanting to poke an eye in the law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's Biden who's looking to top Clinton's perfidy and

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<v Speaker 3>abuse of the pardon power. I mean, the one that

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<v Speaker 3>jumps out of me is the lady in Illinois who

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<v Speaker 3>embezzled fifty three million dollars from the city of Dixon.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a major I don't know if it's a major

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<v Speaker 3>city or not in Illinois. It's not Chicago. But that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of money. And this is a fairly recent conviction,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, And he's pardoned this person, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I bat one to me, is where what's the case

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<v Speaker 3>for leniency there?

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<v Speaker 5>I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a hard time making one out except that

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<v Speaker 3>this is Biden again trying to like emulate Bill Clinton.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe it's part of Biden's psychology of still being

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<v Speaker 3>mad that he was pushed out of the the re election.

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<v Speaker 5>Campaign that assumes that he's behind these things at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles, do you think, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Did she give the money to the Democrats?

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<v Speaker 5>I did not, good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And Charles, you believe that actually the president was responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for these himselves, drawing up the name after careful consultation

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<v Speaker 1>and deep thought as he walked around the office with

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<v Speaker 1>his hands clasped behind his bed, weighing this gate back,

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<v Speaker 1>weighing the scales of justice, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think you mean ran around the office during

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<v Speaker 4>one on push ups and play.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, you're right, we forget that he had that

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable spirit and so yeah, no, probably a Stafford. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>you just wonder exactly what's going on behind. Three of them,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I understand, were Chinese spies whose arrangement had

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<v Speaker 1>been whose swap had been worked out before. Now the

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<v Speaker 1>whole spying thing does bring to mind something else that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in New Jersey, where the government is telling

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<v Speaker 1>us now that they appear to be lawful manned aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>to these drawings, but we really can't tell you much

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<v Speaker 1>more about that, my favorite being, of course, that they're

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<v Speaker 1>all coming from an Iranian ship offshore or disappearing into

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<v Speaker 1>a submerged Iranian base or some nonsense like that, or

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<v Speaker 1>that they're from other planets, or that they are a

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation of American technology that is light years beyond what

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<v Speaker 1>we can imagine and manifest itself as four D plasma bile.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to think. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to think. So let me ask you, guys, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Pardon me, wants to think if you're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>tinfoil had things, it's the latest products of area fifty one,

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<v Speaker 3>or it turned out that that famous Orson Wells broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>It was just ahead of its time. They were now

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<v Speaker 2>getting the martial invasion.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I think we.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you've probably seen some pictures and accounts of this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's sports stadiums now security is equipped with

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<v Speaker 3>these Essentially, I'm going to say there's something like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>electromagnetic pulse guns or something to shoot down or capture

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<v Speaker 3>drones and bring them to the ground, because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want drones flying around a sports stadium when you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what they are. And so I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 3>somebody isn't bringing down these drones in New Jersey, which

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<v Speaker 3>makes me think that maybe it's our guys testing these

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if we let it out that those things were

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<v Speaker 1>tweakers out there bringing those things down in a halo

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<v Speaker 1>of ar fifteen fire. Charles, what do you think is

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<v Speaker 6>I've been a little skeptical overall because years upon years

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<v Speaker 6>But I just saw that. The governor, former governor of Maryland,

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<v Speaker 6>Larry Hogan is on the opposite end of the spectrum

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<v Speaker 6>of a conspiracy theorist of somebody who is excitable. He

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<v Speaker 6>So there's clearly something going on. I've thought up until

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, James, it's beginning to make.

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<v Speaker 1>navy flyers showing these things traveling at absurd velocity and

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<v Speaker 1>There it's been the dribs and the drabs and the

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<v Speaker 1>drabs and the dribs and the drip, drip drip of

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff, which says with the government practically saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the real we don't know what they are, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not ours, not a foreign power to know if they're

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<v Speaker 1>from Dunnald, you know, we're stomped, frankly, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>will have somebody come back and walk that back, and

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<v Speaker 5>The usual whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe me, if you're if you spend any time in

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<v Speaker 1>the subreddits that are devoted to these things, you will

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<v Speaker 1>find that the the the chattering ecosystem of people who

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<v Speaker 1>who swear that they've been on the inside and they

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<v Speaker 5>Is extraordinary, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Within this sphere exists nonsense upon nonsense that actually we're

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<v Speaker 1>finally seeing the manifestation of the reptilian race that lives

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the earth, that is coming up to your work

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<v Speaker 1>it's a while to the people who are just no,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the faintest idea, to the Tucker Carlson types

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<v Speaker 1>who are saying, actually, actually they're demons.

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<v Speaker 5>But we have had so much rapid change.

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<v Speaker 1>In this in the last two or three years that

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<v Speaker 1>ready to say, yeah, they are UFOs, they're from another planet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>non human intelligence. But that I guess that's all we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess we're not alone. Let's move along. What's on what's

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh but look, you know, you know what happened James,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the first time the government comes out and

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<v Speaker 3>says that the subreddits or another group of them will

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<v Speaker 3>come out and say, ah, this is just a distraction

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<v Speaker 3>by the government so they can really unfold what they're really.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to do, which is the invasion of Siria or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all a distraction, but it's weird. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we're finally being told that yes, it's real,

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<v Speaker 1>there are aliens, but it's it somehow has the public

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<v Speaker 1>profile of an Apple television show. I mean in that

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's out, it's out there, but it's not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not top of the news. So I mean in Close

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<v Speaker 1>Encounters of the Third Kind, which is a wonderful movie

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<v Speaker 1>back in the and I think kicked off the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want they're on our side. They're great, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they got they smile, they bring our lost airman back.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they're they're.

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<v Speaker 5>Really interesting dudes, and musical too. We can jam with them.

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<v Speaker 5>It led a whole sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're going to get along. It's gonna be nice,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be good. And I think that this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of doesn't feel like that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's more aliens for Trump to deport.

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<v Speaker 6>I was actually going to say something else about Trump,

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<v Speaker 6>which is, if you were writing American history, the aliens

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<v Speaker 6>would have course shot while Donald Trump was president. That

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<v Speaker 6>would be inevitable, right, There's no other president that you

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<v Speaker 6>would want to be in office other than Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>If the aliens are coming down.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well, I want the little Grays who were about

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half feet tall, to be standing there

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<v Speaker 1>while it gives them that big downward mechron handshake, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that a big thrusting.

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<v Speaker 6>We were to find out whether Ronald Reagan was right

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<v Speaker 6>when he said in the eighties. If Aliens came down,

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<v Speaker 6>we would soon discover that we had no differences anymore

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<v Speaker 6>in all of our politics. Was a contrivance, which, while

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<v Speaker 6>I love Reagan, I've always thought was nonsense. But we

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<v Speaker 6>would get to find out whether that was true or not.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it depends.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember Bill Pullman at the end of Independence Day

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<v Speaker 1>when he declared it to be a global universal human holiday.

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<v Speaker 2>That we would have.

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<v Speaker 6>Won reelection though, and he would have done so easily

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<v Speaker 6>because he's obviously a Republican because he hates the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, he would not only have been.

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<v Speaker 6>The guy who destroyed the Aliens, but most of the

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<v Speaker 6>West and East coasts were destroyed.

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<v Speaker 4>His electoral College victory could have been perfect.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, he did nuke Texas. I think he did.

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<v Speaker 6>James Houston right, so, which I endorse. FYI is a

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I'm just saying that if we knewked, if we knuked.

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<v Speaker 6>Houston, the Houston Astros and the Houston Texans would no

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<v Speaker 6>longer exist, which would mean that the Yankees would probably

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<v Speaker 6>have a couple more World Series. This happened back in

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<v Speaker 6>ninety six and the Jacksonville Jaguars would have won the

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<v Speaker 6>AFC South three or four more times.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just I'm just looking at the upside.

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<v Speaker 1>James, Well, that's good, you know. Speaking as a Vikings

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk to no one a second about

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are saying or at least we're having

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<v Speaker 4>No. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Most interesting thing that I heard somebody say was going

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<v Speaker 1>back to a Slate Star Codex blog post a long

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<v Speaker 1>tribe and the Blue tribe and now we have the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of the Gray tribe. Which are these sort of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty something thirty something tech guys who are sort of

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<v Speaker 1>quasi libertarian, ethical altruists into all kinds of sort of

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualistical stuff, but not really post religion post and that

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that the online people, the two online people,

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<v Speaker 3>unibomber and by some of these very radical ideas, some

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<v Speaker 3>lived experience. That's a college campus phrase, right, I suppose

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<v Speaker 3>one other kind of experience right. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 3>that he's schizophrenic, and maybe his back surgery and pain

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<v Speaker 3>The manifesto is actually pretty short and kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>cliche as near as I can tell, because we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the whole thing, but it's apparently quite short. I

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<v Speaker 3>think more important is the first thing you mentioned, James,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the reaction of the left to run to

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<v Speaker 3>his defense and make him a folk hero. And as

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<v Speaker 3>you say, you know, violence is never justified, but then

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<v Speaker 3>all the rest of what Elizabeth Warren and other people

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<v Speaker 3>in the lefty media saying is but actually it's totally justified.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it totally negates what they said before. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is not new.

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<v Speaker 3>This goes back to I think when the left began

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<v Speaker 3>to lose its mind and mainstream liberals losing their mind

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<v Speaker 3>in the sixties justifying the rioters.

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<v Speaker 2>Siding with criminals, as we know, and this continues to

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<v Speaker 2>this day.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is just the latest and a long and

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<v Speaker 3>I think you lamentable story of the left and America,

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<v Speaker 3>who seems to have not learned very much from the

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<v Speaker 3>election returns.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can't make an omelet without purging one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand chickens. Charles, where do you come down on this?

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<v Speaker 6>I think that if you in any way qualify your

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<v Speaker 6>view of first degree murder by examining the politics of

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<v Speaker 6>the murderer, then you've essentially opted out of society. What

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<v Speaker 6>is society, both at the social level and at the

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<v Speaker 6>political level. It's an agreement that, in the absence of

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<v Speaker 6>extreme circumstances such as the need for self defense, we

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<v Speaker 6>will not kill each other over our disagreements, and that

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<v Speaker 6>manifests in a bunch of ways. One of the most

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<v Speaker 6>famous is religious toleration, because for years, decades, centuries in

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<v Speaker 6>Europe people kill each other all the time over their religions.

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<v Speaker 6>But it also manifests itself in day to day politics,

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<v Speaker 6>quotidian politics, of which the nature of our health system

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<v Speaker 6>is one. You just cannot decide that you are more

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<v Speaker 6>informed or important than other people, and therefore you have

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<v Speaker 6>the right to kill them. And if you read the

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<v Speaker 6>short manifesto that he put out, that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what that last couple of sentences imply. Now there

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<v Speaker 6>is a caveat in there which makes him look like

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<v Speaker 6>an absolute crank, which he is a coward, where he says,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't actually know too much about this topic. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not the right guy to make this argument. Well, look,

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<v Speaker 6>there are many aspects to my conservatism, James, but one

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<v Speaker 6>of them is that if I don't know too much

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<v Speaker 6>about a topic and I think other people might be

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<v Speaker 6>better off making the argument, I'm not going to shoot

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<v Speaker 6>someone over it. That's a pretty solid precept. Well, I

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<v Speaker 6>go to work with every single day, So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>he should have stopped there. He also should have extrapolated

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<v Speaker 6>out from that and realized that even if he were

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<v Speaker 6>the world's greatest expert on the topic, no one came

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<v Speaker 6>near to him. He was universally acknowledged to be a

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<v Speaker 6>genius on the topic. He still doesn't get more of

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<v Speaker 6>a vote in whether or not a given person lives

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<v Speaker 6>or dies than anyone else, and I just find the

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<v Speaker 6>Elizabeth Warren AOC approach on this to be revolting and

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<v Speaker 6>to be a good example of why they should never

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<v Speaker 6>ever be trusted with power. Last thing, quickly, if I

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<v Speaker 6>were then, and I were a member of Congress in

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<v Speaker 6>AOC's case and in the case of Elizabeth Warren, a senator,

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<v Speaker 6>and I wanted the government to take over healthcare, I

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<v Speaker 6>would not be establishing the principle that if an institution

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<v Speaker 6>denies you care that you think you deserve, you can

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<v Speaker 6>kill them. Because in a single payer system, who do

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<v Speaker 6>you think it's going to be making the rationing decisions.

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<v Speaker 6>It's going to be AOC and Elizabeth Warren. It's nuts,

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's actually beyond even from a purely self interested,

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<v Speaker 6>totally amral perspective, it is beyond bizarre to me that

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<v Speaker 6>that's the idea they've decided to put into the bloodstream,

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<v Speaker 6>just as they want to get rid of the Brian

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<v Speaker 6>Thompson's and say, hey, you know who's in charge of

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<v Speaker 6>your health care?

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<v Speaker 4>It's me, Elizabeth Warren.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, that's because buttressing this seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>this notion of what I call cornucopianism, where once the

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<v Speaker 1>government takes it over thanks to modern my ary theory

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<v Speaker 1>and the printing press going burr and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There won't be any denial and there won't be any

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<v Speaker 1>rationing because everything will be provided because the government can

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<v Speaker 1>provide all. The government has the means and the resources

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<v Speaker 1>and the will to provide all to all, and there

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<v Speaker 1>will be no bad outcomes. That it's people like the

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<v Speaker 1>United Healthcare that stand in the way of cornucopianism and

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<v Speaker 1>its wonderful benefits. The second thing that I would say

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<v Speaker 1>is to build on what you've said and what.

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<v Speaker 5>I said before, is that it's very, very specific.

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<v Speaker 1>The kind of political murder that they like. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had a man whose second cousin's niece was killed by

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<v Speaker 1>an illegal immigrant right in New Jersey, and the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of that town in New Jersey had said, we are

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<v Speaker 1>not going to cooperate with ice. We are a sanction

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<v Speaker 1>sanctuary town, and this guy decided to shoot the deputy

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<v Speaker 1>mayor to avenge the death of his relative at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of an illegal immigrant, we would not be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about having the necessity of having a conversation about illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>We would be talking about anything. But so when they

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<v Speaker 1>selectively do it like this. You're right, Charlie. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's madness for them to.

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<v Speaker 5>Say, we're going to be in charge of your healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, it's perfectly fine to shoot people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't give you everything that you want.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's also.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a matter of selective judgment, and.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's it's it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Poisonous on every single possible level.

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<v Speaker 5>I suppose it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Also inevitable in this day and age for online media

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on somebody who happened to have a, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a toothy smile and go with that. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's the start off, it's the you know, it's the

533
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<v Speaker 1>I mean the guy where he's smiling and looking and

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<v Speaker 1>looking up and I'm thinking somebody's going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>Chay picture that, somebody's gonna do a Chay T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to put him in black ink on a

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<v Speaker 1>red shirt and he'll be the next emblem for revolution

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<v Speaker 1>and enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already free Luigi T shirts you can find online.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna supplant Mouma. I remember that guy locked up

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<v Speaker 3>from here in Philadelphia. There's one other thing that so

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<v Speaker 3>far only a couple of people have commented on Alissa

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<v Speaker 3>Finley at the Wall Street Journal is wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought Obamacare fixed all this, right. We were told

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to make health care more affordable. It's

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<v Speaker 3>in the name of the act. And it didn't. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I actually the other day went and looked

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<v Speaker 3>at because I'm a data geek, and I looked at

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<v Speaker 3>the data series the longitudinal trends of healthcare costs, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can look at the slope of the line before

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<v Speaker 3>Obamacare and after Obamacare, and it's continuous.

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<v Speaker 1>See, didn't we lose him?

553
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<v Speaker 4>We did?

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<v Speaker 1>We did? Okay, Well, Stephen has apparently suffered what we

555
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<v Speaker 1>hoped to be. Oh, I'm getting some news here. This

556
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<v Speaker 1>is just coming in from California. There was a restaurant explosion.

557
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<v Speaker 4>And both by a drone.

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<v Speaker 5>That was by.

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<v Speaker 1>Drone, and that brings everything all together. So Stephen, we

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<v Speaker 1>hope he's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm back? Am I back? You are?

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<v Speaker 1>We thought it was a restaurant explosion.

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<v Speaker 3>No, go on, Well, I don't know where it cut off.

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<v Speaker 3>All I was saying was Obamacare is supposed to solve

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<v Speaker 3>all this. It turns out if you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>slope of the cost of health care before and after Obamacare.

567
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<v Speaker 3>It made no difference whatsoever to healthcare inflation. And so

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<v Speaker 3>we're still just as unhappy with our healthcare, maybe more

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<v Speaker 3>so because Obamacare made it worse and less comprehensible.

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<v Speaker 2>So there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying, we haven't bent the curve.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope.

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<v Speaker 5>Hmm odd to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, some people say no, no, no, Obamacare was

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<v Speaker 1>set up to fail. That was the ingenious thing about

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<v Speaker 1>It was set up to fail so that the government

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<v Speaker 1>would come in and take over that. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the case. I don't think these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>ever that Macavilion, are that smarter the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you do you do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>they are sitting there steepling their fingers and saying, wahaha,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to cloud pivot this baby. I don't give

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<v Speaker 1>them that much credit. I don't think they're that smart,

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<v Speaker 1>that capable, or that force or have that much foresight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there is a subtext to that, though, James h

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<v Speaker 3>partly get your you can say, camel's nose in the tent.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>At least if we exert some control, you can then

589
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<v Speaker 3>buy degrees regulate it more and more in.

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<v Speaker 2>The way we central planners want.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing, though that's still not widely perceived, is

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<v Speaker 3>going all the way back to the failure of Hillary

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<v Speaker 3>Care in nineteen ninety four. A part of the deal

594
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<v Speaker 3>was always going to be you, private health insurance people,

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<v Speaker 3>we want you to do cost containment and we want

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<v Speaker 3>you to take the heat, and we'll kind of piggyback

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<v Speaker 3>along with Medicare and Medicaid and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Government provided services.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, by the way, we're going to mandate that all

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<v Speaker 3>health insurance must cover you know, everything from manicures to know,

601
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<v Speaker 3>the counseling services, and that runs the cost up higher

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<v Speaker 3>than it needs to be for basic health care needs.

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<v Speaker 3>So that are talking point. You hear sometimes as well, Gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>Medicare only has a one percent overhead and you know

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<v Speaker 3>management cost, and private health insurance is like twenty five

606
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<v Speaker 3>thirty percent. Now, I think those numbers are bogused. I

607
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<v Speaker 3>think it's apples and oranges. But let's note that Medicare

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<v Speaker 3>and Medicaid now have it's estimated two hundred billion dollars

609
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<v Speaker 3>a year in fraud. So it's easy to have a

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<v Speaker 3>one percent overhead if you're willing to tolerate that level

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<v Speaker 3>of fraud, and if private health insurance tolerted that, you

612
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<v Speaker 3>can imagine what employer based healthcare would cost. It would

613
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<v Speaker 3>be even worse than it is today. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>gone awful mess, and all the interventions of the of

615
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<v Speaker 3>the government just make it worse and worse.

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<v Speaker 6>The overhead figure is also really unfair because if you're

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<v Speaker 6>a private health insurer, you have to do all of

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<v Speaker 6>the aspects of being a health insurer on your own.

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<v Speaker 6>You have to do collections, you have to do bureaucracy,

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<v Speaker 6>you have to do the actuarial stuff. Whereas with the

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<v Speaker 6>federal systems, both Medicare and Medicaid, well, they get their

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<v Speaker 6>collections done by the IRS, and they get their actuarial

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<v Speaker 6>tables done by various government institutions that exist to do that,

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<v Speaker 6>and they get all of their pr and their advertising

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<v Speaker 6>and their customer interactions done by other federal agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you never see those added in.

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<v Speaker 6>What they do is they say, well, how much do

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<v Speaker 6>you spend within the medicaid institution on overheads?

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<v Speaker 4>I just had one more.

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<v Speaker 6>Quick thought, and I guess this is probably here at

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<v Speaker 6>a moment on whether or not Obamacare was set up

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<v Speaker 6>to fail. I don't believe that it was set up

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<v Speaker 6>to fail in the sense that James asked about it,

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<v Speaker 6>which is that it was supposed to be a catastrophe

635
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<v Speaker 6>that led to single Pair. The public would clamor for

636
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<v Speaker 6>single Pair once they saw that this didn't work. What

637
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<v Speaker 6>I do think is that most of the promises that

638
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 6>were made that it would bend the cost curve, that

639
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<v Speaker 6>you would be able to keep your doctor and you'd

640
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<v Speaker 6>be able to keep your plan, were lies that they

641
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 6>knew were lies. And the reason that I think that

642
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<v Speaker 6>is that I watched the difference in the output of

643
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<v Speaker 6>Obamacare's apologists from before and after it was instituted. Before

644
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<v Speaker 6>it was instituted, the asraclines of the world said it's

645
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<v Speaker 6>going to do all of the things that but Barack

646
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<v Speaker 6>Obama has said that.

647
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<v Speaker 4>It will do.

648
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.680
<v Speaker 6>About one minute after it was completely implemented, in twenty fourteen,

649
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 6>Ezra Client, Mattaglesias and other started writing these pieces that said, well,

650
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<v Speaker 6>of course, you can't bring millions of people into this

651
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<v Speaker 6>system without getting rid of health plans and getting rid

652
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<v Speaker 6>of people's doctors and so on.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, that's.

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<v Speaker 6>An obvious economic consequence. To me that what This was, therefore,

655
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<v Speaker 6>was a classic progressive moral play where they were just

656
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<v Speaker 6>so offended by the idea that some people didn't have

657
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.759
<v Speaker 6>health insurance that they were willing to do anything to

658
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<v Speaker 6>change it. And so when they started getting pushed back

659
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 6>from economists and other people who knew what they're talking about, saying,

660
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, this is going to cause X, Y and Z,

661
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 6>they realized that would be politically toxic, so they just.

662
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<v Speaker 4>Went, no, it won't.

663
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<v Speaker 6>Then after it had been implemented, they said, yes, of

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<v Speaker 6>course it will do all those things, but we now

665
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<v Speaker 6>have it. We don't, but we now have universal healthcare,

666
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 6>We now have more people who are insured, we now

667
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<v Speaker 6>have a ban on blocking pre existing conditions, and so on,

668
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 6>because that's what they actually cared about all along. That's

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<v Speaker 6>where I do think it was a game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think even the PolitiFact, people

671
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<v Speaker 3>who I normally don't hold in very high regard, rated

672
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<v Speaker 3>Obama's claim that if you like your doctor, you can

673
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<v Speaker 3>keep your doctor as the lie of the year. I

674
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 3>think in twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen that gets conveniently

675
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 3>forgotten and all this. You know, there's something I teach

676
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 3>in classic students, is there was a sociologist twenty or

677
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 3>thirty years ago, kind of forgotten, a guy named Peter Rossi,

678
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<v Speaker 3>and he used to have what he called the Iron

679
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 3>law of evaluation, and it's very short. The Iron law

680
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 3>evaluation was the expected value of any net impact assessment

681
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 3>of any large scale social program is zero. None of

682
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.519
<v Speaker 3>the stuff ever works. And Obamacare is one of the

683
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<v Speaker 3>premier examples of Peter Rossi's Iron law.

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<v Speaker 2>Therey listeners.

685
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.519
<v Speaker 3>You learn something from the academic world that you can

686
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 3>use at a cocktail party.

687
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<v Speaker 6>And one of the reasons that Obamaca has been less

688
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<v Speaker 6>deleterious and was anticipated is that its footprint has been

689
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<v Speaker 6>much smaller than was anticipated. I think I'm right in

690
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 6>saying that that's a combination of changes that Republicans managed

691
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.599
<v Speaker 6>to make lost time they were in but also the

692
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 6>way that it worked in practice market decisions that have

693
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<v Speaker 6>been made. It actually didn't have quite the effect that

694
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.000
<v Speaker 6>it was supposed to. And so progressives will say, aha,

695
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 6>you see what we need is more government involved. But

696
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<v Speaker 6>I have a radical idea, Stude, and that is maybe

697
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Speaker 6>we should go in the other direction for a change.

698
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 4>Maybe we should try that for ten years to.

699
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, Well, you know, people like to pull out

700
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the medical bill, the hospital bill they got when they

701
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 1>were born. You know, I think my dad made my

702
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 1>dad paid with a twenty you know right, change back.

703
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 1>And I have absolutely no idea what it caused to

704
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>have my daughter brought into this world, because I do

705
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>all of these insulating and intermediary organizations and payments and

706
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the rest of it. But it was more than twenty

707
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 1>bucks because she had to go into a little clear

708
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>plastic box, hooked up the machines that went bing.

709
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<v Speaker 5>So it was.

710
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It was expensive and intensive and required a whole bunch

711
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>of technology that was not there when I came into

712
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>this world. People probably wish that it hadn't been, so

713
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you never know. Well, having solved healthcare, let us move

714
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 1>along to the deteriorating quality of New York.

715
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<v Speaker 5>As we were discussing before.

716
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<v Speaker 1>It's not just the shooting, of course of the guy

717
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.559
<v Speaker 1>on the street, which you know can happen frankly anywhere,

718
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>but it is the subway system, the nature of our

719
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 1>society when a humble street profile, a humble subway dancer can.

720
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Be murdered in cold blood by a man.

721
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Who was apparently stalking the trains looking for somebody to choke.

722
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Is the way this sort of is being shown and

723
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>regarded in some quarters of Twitter by people who are

724
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 1>not marginal figures, no, but you know, by actual politicians

725
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>who are decrying the ways in which society failed the

726
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>man who died, and we hear this an awful lot,

727
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>that we've failed this it is on us that this

728
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 1>fellow was homeless and on powerful THHC derivatives and was

729
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>threatening people. That it was on us as if there

730
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 1>was no attempt to ever intercede in his life, as

731
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.239
<v Speaker 1>if he hadn't been given shelter and treatment before and

732
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>had walked away from it. And it brings you have

733
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to wonder at what point, I'm not saying, at what

734
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 1>point do we just choke the guy, because that's not

735
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, But at what point do we have

736
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>to sort of say done and dusted when it comes

737
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 1>to our abligation to people who have repeatedly refused the

738
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>help that has given them. Is this indeed our fault

739
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>or is the actual fault that we should be talking

740
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 1>about is the inability of the civic government in New

741
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 1>York to maintain a safe environment in the subways in

742
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>which people are not worried about maniacs striding up and down,

743
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>waving their arms, making fist gestures, threatening to kill people

744
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of it. Does this happen on every

745
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>subarate coin, No, no it doesn't. And as the people

746
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter have been saying, look, just keep your head down,

747
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>be cautious. It's all part of living in a big city.

748
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Well it ought not to be. You know.

749
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<v Speaker 6>This when pad with the murder of Brian Thompson is

750
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 6>a good window into the soul of a particular sort

751
00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 6>of progressive They are extremely angry with Daniel Penny, they

752
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 6>call them a vigilante and a murderer, and they are

753
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 6>pleased with Luigi Mangiurni, they call him a hero.

754
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 4>This is backwards. It would, of course.

755
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 6>Be better if we had the resources to ensure that

756
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 6>at no point ever in the United States was anyone

757
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.760
<v Speaker 6>not under the protection of a police officer. I don't

758
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 6>mean that quite literally. That would be creepy and totalitarian.

759
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 6>But if you could put a cop in every subway car,

760
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 6>that would be great. But that's never going to happen.

761
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 6>Even if New York were run sensibly, which it's not,

762
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 6>that's never going to happen. You are always going to

763
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 6>need some sort of volunteerism. Now that veering off into

764
00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 6>my favorite topic of the Second Amendment that is resumed

765
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.519
<v Speaker 6>by a great deal of our constitutional order, that there

766
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 6>will be people who at some point will have to

767
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 6>step up. And Daniel Penny did that. He did that

768
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.400
<v Speaker 6>when a guy was ranging around a subway car shouting

769
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 6>someone's going to die. I'm going to kill someone, and

770
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 6>he was put through the ringer for it. He was

771
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 6>charged with second degree manslaughter and with a lesser charge

772
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 6>that sounds as if it would have been a greater charge.

773
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.280
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, he got off.

774
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 6>He was acquitted partly I think because the judge dismissed

775
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.760
<v Speaker 6>the first charge and thereby signaled to the jury that

776
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.360
<v Speaker 6>the case had fallen apart. And yes, it's good that

777
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:41.280
<v Speaker 6>he got off, and yes, jury systems work better than

778
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 6>almost any other institution in our country.

779
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:45.119
<v Speaker 4>But that case should never have been brought.

780
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 6>And it is a sign, I think that we have

781
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 6>forgotten who is good and who is bad, what is

782
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.960
<v Speaker 6>deceptible and what is not, Where to blame and where

783
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 6>to praise that Daniel Penny found himself for a year

784
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 6>and a half facing the prosper aspect of spending a

785
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.599
<v Speaker 6>lot of his life in jail, and Luigi Mangianni, who

786
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 6>has been arrested, it's not any indication that he's going

787
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.519
<v Speaker 6>to be left by the authorities, but has been celebrated

788
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 6>in the champion or at the very least justified by

789
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 6>the same people who are angry about that.

790
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 4>It is a.

791
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 6>Horrible indictment of an ideology that has really jumped the shock.

792
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

793
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 3>So my one observation, sorry, my one observation about it

794
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 3>is to compare this case with Bernard Getz back in

795
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 3>forty years ago, I think it was nineteen eighty four,

796
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 3>and you remember he was the guy who shot he

797
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 3>was carrying a gun shot for black assailants who were

798
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 3>coming at him or threatening him with sharp and screwdrivers

799
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 3>and so forth. At that time, the Manhattan DA was

800
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Robert Morgenthal, the legendary name in law enforcement, who asked

801
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 3>a grand jury to indict Gets for manslaughter. The grand

802
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 3>jury refused to indict Gets from manslaughter, and he ended

803
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 3>up being charged only with a gun possession charge, and

804
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 3>I think sort of something like six months in jail.

805
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Fast forward to now the decline and what let's to

806
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.360
<v Speaker 3>paraphrase Henry Adams, the decline or the progression from Robert

807
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>Morgenthal to Alvin Bragg is enough to single handedly refute

808
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 3>the theory of evolution. And it was, you know, here

809
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 3>we are with a total clown and you know, progressive

810
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 3>nut and a grand jury that did his bidding and

811
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<v Speaker 3>did indict Penny, and it's Travis Staves shows you the

812
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 3>decline of New York and law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in a nutshell comparing those two cases.

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<v Speaker 1>They were comparing him to Bernie Getz as a matter

815
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<v Speaker 1>of fact, Penny as though he said, you don't look

816
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<v Speaker 1>so bad. Here's another and then choked on Tito Jackson

817
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<v Speaker 1>impersonator MANGIONI. By the way, if you look at the

818
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<v Speaker 1>word and you're thinking, manja, manja, you're eating, Yes, Mangoli

819
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<v Speaker 1>means a glutton, a big eater. And I don't know

820
00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 1>if you're a big eater or a small eater. What

821
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you do know is that no matter how much you eat,

822
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 1>or how much you want to eat or don't want

823
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 1>to eat or something, you got to pay attention to

824
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 1>your metabolism. And that is why you need a lumen.

825
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Lumen is the world's first handheld metabolic Coach. It's a

826
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<v Speaker 1>device that measures your metabolism, how thin your brand.

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<v Speaker 5>See.

828
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<v Speaker 1>It's got this app and it lets you know if

829
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<v Speaker 1>you're burning fats or carbs, and it gives you a

830
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>tailored guidance to improve your nutrition and your workouts and

831
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>your sleep and even your stress management. All I have

832
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to do is to breathe into your loomin the first

833
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 1>thing in the morning, and you'll know what's going on

834
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>with your metabolism. And so you've got the app in

835
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<v Speaker 1>the hand, you blow and it shows you how much more.

836
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<v Speaker 1>It's very cool, it's very I tech, and it'll tell

837
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<v Speaker 1>you whether you're burning mostly fats or carbs, and then

838
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<v Speaker 1>your Lumen will give you a personalized nutrition plant for

839
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<v Speaker 1>that day based on your measurements. You can also breathe

840
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841
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842
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843
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<v Speaker 1>you on top of your health game. Your metabolism it's

844
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's our old friend, Noah.

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<v Speaker 4>Noah Rothman, thank you for nationalized.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course we've we've just been sitting here saying nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the ball, twiddling our fingers. Minor, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell that everybody, everybody knows who you are, but

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<v Speaker 1>just for the one or two or don't. Senior writer

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<v Speaker 1>at National Review, the magazine. He's the author of the

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<v Speaker 1>Rise of the New Puritans, Fighting Back against Progressives, war

879
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<v Speaker 1>on fund This week alone, he's written about Syria, the

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<v Speaker 1>annual Pennygames, the United Health CEO shooting, Biden and Lincoln,

881
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<v Speaker 1>and the lunatic sympathizing with the shooter. All good reasons

882
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<v Speaker 1>to go to are and subscribe. But since we've got

883
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a limited amount of time here, we haven't talked about Syria,

884
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:44.039
<v Speaker 1>and that escalated quickly and de escalated collapse. All of

885
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, this iron regime of Bathists disappeared like a

886
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>cotton candy hosed down by uh, you know, a fire hose.

887
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>And now we're looking at who is there in power

888
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and saying hmm, experience tells us this never goes well,

889
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>but we're going to be oddly hopeful now for a

890
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 1>while until proved otherwise. Tell us who is in charge,

891
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 1>how much of Syria they really have, and what we

892
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<v Speaker 1>might expect in the months to come.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, all of those are actually kind of tough questions

894
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 7>to answer because they changed from moment to moment. Insofar

895
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.599
<v Speaker 7>as that we have a faction that is in charge

896
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 7>in Damascus. It is HTS, which is a Turkish back

897
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.440
<v Speaker 7>d Islamist group. It was Al Nusra, which is an

898
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 7>al Qaida offshoot or at least a pledged fealty to

899
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 7>al Qaida. All of eight years ago. There's been a

900
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 7>bit of a schism there, and this organization flew under

901
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 7>the radar save for individuals who are really hyper focused

902
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 7>on this group. They've the individual in charge, al Jelani,

903
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 7>as terrorist. He's got a ten million dollar bounty on

904
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 7>his head from the FBI, and the organization is a

905
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 7>foreign terrorist organization according to the State Department. But al

906
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 7>Jelani had been operating out in the open for the

907
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 7>better part of a decade, within or within close to

908
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 7>operating range of US forces in a US theater of

909
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 7>combat operations. He could have been got if they wanted

910
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 7>him to be. I didn't, and that might have something

911
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 7>to do with anchor as interests. Nevertheless, HTS is making

912
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.440
<v Speaker 7>a lot of pluralist noises about Syria's minorities. They're attracting

913
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 7>foreign direct investment and opening up the economy in Syria,

914
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Speaker 7>at least that's what the design is, to attract more

915
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 7>investment and operate with more free market principles. All these

916
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 7>are nice noises, and I think it would be wise

917
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 7>for US to not necessarily discount them at face value,

918
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 7>although not put too much stock into them either. At

919
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<v Speaker 7>this early stage, the Biden administration is flirting with waiving

920
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.679
<v Speaker 7>the FTO designation. I think it's premature for that. As

921
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 7>for how much of the country they control, it is

922
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<v Speaker 7>roughly the territory that they took with very little resistance

923
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<v Speaker 7>over the space of the last week, the cities of Aleppo, Hama, Homs,

924
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<v Speaker 7>and Damascus.

925
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:49.760
<v Speaker 5>Roughly.

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<v Speaker 7>Outside of that, there are a variety of other organizations

927
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<v Speaker 7>that are in control of portions of Syria de rezor

928
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<v Speaker 7>in the east where the United States has a footprint,

929
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<v Speaker 7>so Kurdish backed rebels with thes are in charge of

930
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<v Speaker 7>that portion of Syria they operate. They maintain a healthy

931
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<v Speaker 7>supply of ISIS captives, about fifty thousand captives in their

932
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 7>custody and SDS Kurds and Turkish backed forces have a

933
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 7>very contentious relationship. The Kurdish forces are under attack from

934
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<v Speaker 7>HTS and the US interests are at stake in that region,

935
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 7>and they may be imperiled by HTS as hostilities, but

936
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<v Speaker 7>we think al Jelani might be a little frustrated with that.

937
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 7>He's trying to quell some of this unrest between these

938
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<v Speaker 7>two organizations. And then there's a rebel group in the

939
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<v Speaker 7>south that nobody knows about. They're just kind of a

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00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.440
<v Speaker 7>collection of rebels, all of whom have different interests. They're

941
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<v Speaker 7>in control of the city of Dhara and others, which

942
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<v Speaker 7>is the cradle of the revolution. Drew's other minorities are

943
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<v Speaker 7>a part of this amalgamation of rebel groups, and we

944
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<v Speaker 7>don't I don't really know much about them, not enough

945
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 7>to say they have one cohesive philosophy, for example. So

946
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 7>there's a lot of very competing, competing interests that aren't

947
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 7>necessarily aligned. But these are the early day of the

948
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 7>collapse of a monstrous regime, and jubulation is the sentiment

949
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 7>across the board that will fade soon. But right now,

950
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:12.239
<v Speaker 7>all of these groups are organizing behind and flying the

951
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 7>green three star rebel flag, and right now that is

952
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 7>what that is. The you know, elation over the fall

953
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 7>of a sad is the dominant emotion. What comes next

954
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<v Speaker 7>is anybody's question.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Noah, we seem to have been caught in the

956
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.320
<v Speaker 3>United States quite flat footed, which doesn't surprise me, with

957
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 3>the caliber of our intelligence operation, or Anthony Blincoln saying

958
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.400
<v Speaker 3>the last two days, gosh, who knew the Taliban was

959
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 3>going to take over Afghanistan?

960
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Right?

961
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 3>But I'm curious that this happened so suddenly that surely

962
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>somebody must have known this was coming, you know, Israel,

963
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 3>maybe they're distracted with other things. But how did this

964
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<v Speaker 3>happen that nobody saw it coming? Or did I miss something?

965
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Did somebody know that this was about to happen?

966
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't think you missed well.

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00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.159
<v Speaker 7>I think probably Anchora and Turkey and the Innerwan government

968
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<v Speaker 7>had some inclination of what was going on here. Say,

969
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 7>this does seem to have caught a lot of Western

970
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 7>intelligence agencies flat footed. Including Israel's intelligence agency, and there's

971
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 7>no better actor in the region to be aware of

972
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 7>these of what's coming. It's sort of betrays I mean,

973
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 7>as a side note, it betrays the faulty thinking that

974
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.039
<v Speaker 7>is you often see from people on the left and

975
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 7>the right who are genuinely predisposed to a paranoid inclination

976
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 7>which ascribes all actions, all events to the secret machinations

977
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 7>in Washington and in Western Capital. Is that we're the

978
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 7>you know, the the machiavellian interest pulling the strings, and

979
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.599
<v Speaker 7>anything that occurs is our doing, or if it did

980
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.079
<v Speaker 7>not occur, it's also our doing. There's the agency of

981
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:44.039
<v Speaker 7>other foreign actors is totally stripped of them, right, And

982
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 7>that's just not the case.

983
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<v Speaker 3>I've been saying for years that I wish our CIA

984
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 3>was half as capable as every Hollywood movie made round

985
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 3>to be.

986
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Yet you know it's a joke. Well you did mention Turkey.

987
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Well at two things, you said that you know there's

988
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 2>an atmosphere jubilation. Is that honestly true?

989
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Israe?

990
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I had the sense, but I'm not very

991
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 3>fully informed that.

992
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Israel had something of a stable equilibrium with the SOD.

993
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like him and all the rest of that.

994
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 3>But Israel seemed to have free reign to you know,

995
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.880
<v Speaker 3>assassinated Ronnie and officials in Damascus, the bomb sites in

996
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Syria from time to time, and Syria they didn't make

997
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 3>noises about it, but never fought back the way Iran did.

998
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't know.

999
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I would think Israel be very nervous about the instability

1000
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 3>that's now going to happen in the country. And you've

1001
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 3>seen in the fact that Israel has been very active

1002
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 3>in bombing a lot of military capacity.

1003
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I think rightly so. But they've been making Hey while

1004
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the sun shines. They have destroyed the naval and air

1005
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>force capacities and the as well as the anti aircraft battery,

1006
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and practically have a free ride to Iran except for

1007
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the little patch they got to go through a rock.

1008
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Is Israel acting in offensive defensiveness? No, they How would

1009
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 1>you characterize what they're doing.

1010
00:49:55.639 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't characterize Jerusalem's relationship with Assad's Damascus is necessarily stable, exactly,

1011
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:04.239
<v Speaker 7>certainly not.

1012
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:06.679
<v Speaker 4>Cooperative.

1013
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 7>Israel has come under attack from Syria throughout the course

1014
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 7>of Israel's existence, and Saudi Arabia or Saudi Arabia. Syria

1015
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 7>represented an unbroken corridor through which Iran filtered arms and

1016
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 7>munitions and funds to Hezbollah relatively unmolested. So the elimination

1017
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 7>of that corridor is advances Israel's interests. It's preferable, I think,

1018
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 7>to the status quo ante and as you say, the

1019
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 7>dozens and dozens hundreds at this point, strikes on Syrian positions,

1020
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 7>Syrian military positions and disabling its air force, putting its

1021
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 7>navy at the bottom of the port of Latakia and

1022
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 7>destroying a lot of vehicles is the sort of thing

1023
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 7>you would do if you were very afraid of what

1024
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 7>comes next. But it's also something they couldn't do. While

1025
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.719
<v Speaker 7>the Asad regime was there and Russia maintained in air corridor,

1026
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 7>they had airspace that you could not violate in the

1027
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 7>United States abided by that as well. Israel occasionally would

1028
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:09.960
<v Speaker 7>execute strikes at some serious risk because of the Assad's

1029
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 7>air batteries. The Iran provided air batteries and Russian provided

1030
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 7>air batteries were pretty sophisticated, and there was always a

1031
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 7>threat that if you were they were going in to

1032
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.920
<v Speaker 7>execute one pinprick strike or the other, that it could

1033
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 7>be disastrous, But that threat has disappeared, and we're taking

1034
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 7>maximum advantage of it. To the United States, we've executed

1035
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.679
<v Speaker 7>dozens of air strikes on ISIS positions that were being

1036
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.239
<v Speaker 7>incubated by the Asad regime and supported and protected by

1037
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 7>Russian air support. Another myth that's been blown apart by

1038
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 7>the destruction of the Asad regime is one promulgated by

1039
00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 7>Assads anti anti supporters and outright supporters who said, well,

1040
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 7>at least you know the Asad regime. There are a

1041
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 7>bunch of monsters, but at least they're killing terrorists. At

1042
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.159
<v Speaker 7>least they're killing ISIS now. They weren't, they never were.

1043
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 7>The Asid regime incubated the the ISIS threat in thirteen,

1044
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 7>twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. It bought oil from them, their

1045
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 7>own oil, purchased it. It managed to It turned a

1046
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 7>blind eye and de coordinated maneuvers with ISIS and certain

1047
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<v Speaker 7>points in order to preserve ISIS columns and turn their

1048
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 7>fire on SDS rebels and SDF rebels Syrian democratic forces

1049
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<v Speaker 7>and neutralize what was at the outset of the Syrian

1050
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 7>Civil War I modestly pro Western opposition. Now the pro

1051
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 7>Western opposition has been decimated. There's a lot of resistance

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<v Speaker 7>to the idea that there ever was pro Western opposition,

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<v Speaker 7>but compared to what exists today, yeah, it certainly looks

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<v Speaker 7>pro Western. Both Russia and Assad and Iran managed to

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<v Speaker 7>defeat those moderate elements and present the West with a

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<v Speaker 7>Phata company on the ground and a dichotomy that didn't

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<v Speaker 7>exist previously, but a binary one.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you going to do.

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<v Speaker 7>You're going to go with this monstrous secular regime or

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<v Speaker 7>you're going to go with these monstrous is lomists who

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<v Speaker 7>want to cut your heads off?

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<v Speaker 4>And that prevailed.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a really effective strategy on the part of

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<v Speaker 7>Damascus and its apologists. But with the end of the

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00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 7>regime comes the end of that illusion.

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<v Speaker 6>I have a question that reflects my general simplicity in

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<v Speaker 6>thinking on this topic. If you were God, no heaven forulfened,

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<v Speaker 6>and you could determine whether or not this happened. In

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<v Speaker 6>other words, you get to decide we keep the status

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<v Speaker 6>cross it was the day before the regime foul.

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<v Speaker 4>Or we deal with what we're dealing with now. Which

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<v Speaker 4>one would you have chosen?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if I were a benevolent deity, I'd be able

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<v Speaker 7>to foresee how this would unfold. And because I am not,

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00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 7>I can't. I cannot predict the future and there are

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00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.800
<v Speaker 7>far too many variables for me and take.

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<v Speaker 1>The theological explanation is that the benevolent deity denies himself

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<v Speaker 1>for knowledge of the events deep.

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<v Speaker 7>That is truly deep, and I'm going to go back

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<v Speaker 7>to life.

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<v Speaker 6>I asked that just because I've been asked by a

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<v Speaker 6>few people who labor under the misapprehension that I am

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<v Speaker 6>a great foreign policy mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the good all bad? And I don't know how

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<v Speaker 4>to answer it.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, there's a lot of good. Let's say, let's start

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<v Speaker 7>with the good. The good is this truly evil regime

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<v Speaker 7>is gone. It's crimes against its own people, it's attacks

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<v Speaker 7>on the United States, its efforts to kill Americans. The

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00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 7>Syrian regime was responsible for funneling in a round backed

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<v Speaker 7>insurgents into Iraq during the insurgency and with the mission

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<v Speaker 7>of killing Americans successfully. Those people who served, like Tulsea Gabbard,

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<v Speaker 7>understand that full well, and it's inexplicable to me that

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<v Speaker 7>they would say that the side represents no threat to

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00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 7>the United States because they were killing Americans. That's over

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<v Speaker 7>the corridors that transmit weapons and material to hes Belah,

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<v Speaker 7>such as it is now that it's been pretty well

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<v Speaker 7>decimated by Israel, is going to be closed off most likely,

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<v Speaker 7>and Israel is making efforts to do that by making

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<v Speaker 7>incursions into southern portion and expanding this buffer zone around

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<v Speaker 7>the goal On Heights to ensure that Lebanon the roots

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<v Speaker 7>to Levinon are cut off.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good.

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<v Speaker 7>And an institution in Damascus that allowed Isis to survive

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<v Speaker 7>and indeed thrive in the last decade is gone. All

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<v Speaker 7>good stuff, So what comes next? That could be the

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<v Speaker 7>bad part, but it's too early to say if it's

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<v Speaker 7>the bad part. As I said, Jilani is making a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of pleasant noises designed in my view, not to

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<v Speaker 7>lull the West into a false sense of security, but

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<v Speaker 7>to lull the West into a real sense of security.

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<v Speaker 7>They want space, They want space to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>consolidate power, to consolidate as much territory under the control

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<v Speaker 7>of this regime as possible. In Syria is again very

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<v Speaker 7>very carved up. There's a small corridor along the Lebanese

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<v Speaker 7>border in the coast which is under the control of

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<v Speaker 7>s HTS, but the rest of it is kind of

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<v Speaker 7>lawless and under control of a variety of other factions

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<v Speaker 7>that may or may not owe their allegiance to HTS.

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<v Speaker 7>The worst case scenarios are kind of concerning the prospect

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<v Speaker 7>of an Islamist regime arising in Damascus bent on projecting terror,

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00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 7>exporting terror to the West is a live possibility, and

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<v Speaker 7>that would be a real destabilizing and couldn't necessitate a

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<v Speaker 7>multinational mission to put an end to that regime.

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<v Speaker 4>We cannot.

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<v Speaker 7>We operated under the delusion in the last half decade

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<v Speaker 7>that some of the most foot over territory on the

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<v Speaker 7>planet Earth is something we can afford to simply let

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<v Speaker 7>go sit back, see what happens, and we would absorb

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<v Speaker 7>no threats to us interests.

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<v Speaker 2>We will so an other words, stay tuned for the sequel.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so we have time for one last question, Noah,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's kind of a big one, so we

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<v Speaker 3>can't do the full analysis of it, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>almost do it, yes or no. We know that, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>Putin is trying to reassemble the old Soviet Empire or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe some older version of the Russian Empire. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 3>if Erduwan and Turkey have in their mind, the grandiose

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<v Speaker 3>idea of reassembling the Ottoman Empire. Is that a ridiculous

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<v Speaker 3>thing to speculate about.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I mean yes, insofar as we're not going to

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<v Speaker 7>see Ankor with you know, a vast declared control over

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<v Speaker 7>the Levant, and you know, and and Iraq and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that's that's off the table.

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<v Speaker 7>But Turkey's Airedowan in particular, in Turkey's position has been

1146
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.320
<v Speaker 7>diplomatically expanding pretty dramatically. It's a semi hostile power to

1147
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 7>the United States. It's not a friend. It's not exactly

1148
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 7>an enemy per se, but it is not it's not

1149
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 7>a it's not a reliable partner for the West, and

1150
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 7>we should be leery of its influence. It's Airedwan himself

1151
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 7>has been very friendly towards is Lamist elements, Sunni Islamist elements,

1152
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 7>so we should we should be skeptical of that. But

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<v Speaker 7>the thing that you mentioned, they're going back to Czarist

1154
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 7>period and his tensions between U and Russia, is that

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00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.360
<v Speaker 7>these these two powers have a very uncomfortable relationship with

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<v Speaker 7>each other. And we got very close to a very

1157
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.480
<v Speaker 7>serious crisis in twenty fifteen when a Turkish fighter was

1158
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.239
<v Speaker 7>shot out of the sky by Russian air defenses. Turkey

1159
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 7>went to the mat Turkey went to NATO and invoked

1160
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.920
<v Speaker 7>Article four, which is the prerequisite, but the consultation phase

1161
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<v Speaker 7>before you get to Article five, which is the invocation

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<v Speaker 7>of mutual defense provisions. It was a very dangerous period

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<v Speaker 7>in Syria between between twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, when everybody

1164
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:13.960
<v Speaker 7>was intervening in that conflict and everybody is shooting at

1165
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 7>each other's proxies and very close proximity in a live theater,

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00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 7>that's really dangerous. That's the sort of thing we really

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to avoid. In people like me who were saying

1168
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.239
<v Speaker 7>we need to prevent that. We're getting very nervous about

1169
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.679
<v Speaker 7>that sort of dynamic, and we could see something very

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00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 7>similar in and around Black Sea region in Syria and

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<v Speaker 7>in the eastern part portions of Turkey which are hotly contested.

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<v Speaker 7>Russia and Anchor have sort of a thought relationship right now,

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<v Speaker 7>but I don't suspect that that will last permanently. The

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<v Speaker 7>two of them are are drawn to each other only

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<v Speaker 7>in so far as they're opposed to the West's interests,

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<v Speaker 7>in Washington's interests, and once Washington's interests are no longer

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<v Speaker 7>the thing that they are united against. Then they have

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<v Speaker 7>a tendency to conflict. So I would imagine that we

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<v Speaker 7>would see conflicts rather than later between them. But yes,

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<v Speaker 7>Ancre is an expansionist power, at least diplomatically, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 7>in terms of seizing new territory and subsuming it into

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00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 7>the Turkish Turkish national conception of itself. But it has

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<v Speaker 7>absolutely has designs on its region and expanding its diplomatic influence,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's going about it in a very aggressive way,

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<v Speaker 7>in a successful way. Syria is right now what it

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<v Speaker 7>had not been previously, a satellite to Anchora.

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<v Speaker 1>If Aragon draws a great chain across the Bosporus, then

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should go in. Then I think we

1189
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:37.039
<v Speaker 1>should go in and rename the whole place Constantinople and

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<v Speaker 1>take it back, because I'm against the colonial enterprise and

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<v Speaker 1>renamed it as such. I know we've got to go, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely if we go. As long as we got the

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<v Speaker 1>time machine, let's go back and let's take a look

1194
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<v Speaker 1>at this ball for stuff, and let's take the carving

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<v Speaker 1>up of the region into these strangely shaped nations that

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<v Speaker 1>had two or three warring clans within them, ensuring that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be in continuous discord and a lot them to

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<v Speaker 1>the groups themselves so that everybody had their own state

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<v Speaker 1>and then they could fight each other in between nations

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<v Speaker 1>instead of destabilizing the nations that they're currently.

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<v Speaker 7>If the principle of self determination applies, then we should

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<v Speaker 7>be applying it to these druze communities that are outright

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<v Speaker 7>stating we want to join Israel and be governed by Jerusalem, which.

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<v Speaker 5>I think is absolutely fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Why you mean these people are actually putting up their

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<v Speaker 1>hand and saying, yes, I want to be part of

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<v Speaker 1>the genocidal state.

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<v Speaker 5>Why why? Why? Yes? They are ill end with that.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to leave Noah Rothman.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read everything that he does, and you should

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<v Speaker 1>at National Review and the magazine and the online site.

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<v Speaker 1>We thank you for dropping by today, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we've only had twenty minutes with you is your

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<v Speaker 1>own dang fault.

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<v Speaker 4>Next time show apoloities again.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you guys, so you know it and we got

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Stephen, thank you. I know that both of

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<v Speaker 1>and Charles. Who if you see him out there and

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<v Speaker 1>he heads into a restaurant, I'd maybe go to one

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<v Speaker 5>Gentlemen, it's been great.

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