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<v Speaker 1>I Bill Cunningham, the Grant American, a coortanate flight between

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration and Harvard continues oun debated along with

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<v Speaker 1>other universities. It used to be in the nineteen nineties

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<v Speaker 1>there might be three percent of Cordon students at the

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<v Speaker 1>Harvard or Yale or Columbia. Now there ranges between twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty three percent of students. And it might be financial,

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<v Speaker 1>which means they're willing to pay full freight, especially Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>students paid for by the generally the Communist Party of

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<v Speaker 1>China to commit or learn and to report back to China.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different story. But Harvard students right now are

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<v Speaker 1>subjected to a bunch of anti Semitism, which I did

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<v Speaker 1>not think was possible on Columbia campus or on major universities.

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<v Speaker 1>And Greg Rabbidue is an award winning filmmaker, author and

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<v Speaker 1>cultural commentator. And Greg Rabbitue also has a calumn up

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<v Speaker 1>as har is Harvard still committed to Veritas, which means truth. Greg, welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>I think for the third time to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, let's go back in time a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit a long time ago, maybe the nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>was the Harvard and other these elite campuses fundamentally different

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<v Speaker 1>then than they are today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. So the short answers, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think so, But I don't think they were doing the

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things they're doing now on the scope they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it now.

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<v Speaker 3>And I also when you look back at.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the tuition and the fees and where they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting their money, they were hitting the alumnus hard.

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<v Speaker 2>They were getting a lot of big expansion of their

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<v Speaker 2>endowment fund, which is fine, but I think somewhere along

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<v Speaker 2>the line by probably a serendipitus for them, connection between

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<v Speaker 2>what countries like China wanted to do and accomplished strategically

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<v Speaker 2>and what Harvard felt they needed, which was a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a perpetual injection of money because they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to balloon up their tuition, which they have eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars a year bill for an undergrad to

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<v Speaker 2>attend Harvard. And it was a marriage made, I guessed,

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<v Speaker 2>in Harvard and Chinese CCP heaven because from that point,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said very accurately, in nineteen ninety to now,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at well over three hundred thousand Chinese foreign

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<v Speaker 2>national students in the US second only to India. But

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<v Speaker 2>India is a democracy and not necessarily at all our adversary,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know China is. And then the third is

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the Middle East. So I just pose the question,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at these numbers, even if you do

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<v Speaker 2>a shallow dive and you start saying, hey, over thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent and some of our college campuses, Bill, do you

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<v Speaker 2>believe it are over fifty percent foreign? I think you

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask the question who's coming, why are they coming?

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<v Speaker 2>And do we know anything about these folks and what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing while they're here and what they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do presumably when they graduate. In other words, are we

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<v Speaker 2>getting our end of this trade swap? Or is it

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<v Speaker 2>just universities and colleges are getting the full freight and

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<v Speaker 2>they're fine with that no matter what, no matter the radicalization,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter the damage, no matter the anti Semitism, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter the rampant technological cheating, stealing, taking the proprietary information,

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<v Speaker 2>because that happens all the time, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>your most Americans realize the scope that that happens at

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<v Speaker 2>our universities from some of these foreign countries, particularly China.

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<v Speaker 1>Greig Ravenou, Is there something I'm unaware of? Are Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>universities and colleges elite? And do they want American students

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<v Speaker 1>to come to Commonist right China? And what's good for

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<v Speaker 1>the goose is good for the gander? Are there three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand American students can't wait to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Beijing? Does China welcome Americans with open arms?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on in? Does that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it does not happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll give you I'll give you a quick anecdote.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they do certain nonprofits again that get a

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<v Speaker 2>whole boatload of money from China, They encourage a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of American students who may not know what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with that sociology major or that gender study major, to

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<v Speaker 2>come to China and teach English. But I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you from secondhand experience from a source I know very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Two friends of mine went there and did that, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said that they were scared out of their mind

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<v Speaker 2>for nearly the entire time once they realized that they

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<v Speaker 2>were absolutely under constant surveillance. And they said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to China. This is not new. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>surveiled their own people. You don't think they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>surveil you. And then when they got.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the US and.

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<v Speaker 2>They get on their Facebook or they're texting friends or

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<v Speaker 2>they're chatting, they realized that they're still being surveiled. So

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<v Speaker 2>again you got to ask yourself the question if it's

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<v Speaker 2>this idea. At one point, I think that was very

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<v Speaker 2>maybe naive, but altruistic of this idea of we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get students from other countries and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>experience our culture and we're going to experience theirs, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to lead to a win win, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to know more about them and vice versa. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>recall the Confucius institutes, right, that was.

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<v Speaker 3>What was driving them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have conservative voices saying, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of evidence to suggest this is not

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<v Speaker 2>just a.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice cultural exchange. We'll get closer.

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<v Speaker 2>We may be going into that part of the bargain

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<v Speaker 2>with that idea, but I can guarantee you they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>The CCP doesn't do anything, though you know it's better

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<v Speaker 2>than most, They do not do anything on a whim.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all strategic, it's all calculated and it all.

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<v Speaker 3>Serves their greater good.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would not be paying these students and the

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<v Speaker 2>dollars flowing into our universities if it wasn't benefiting them.

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<v Speaker 2>And the short answer to your the question is no.

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<v Speaker 3>Now the door is not swinging open the same way

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<v Speaker 3>to Beijing you, nor do they want it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see a mom and dad, and I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Susie, you need to get to the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Beijing and learn that. She'd say, what, And for

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<v Speaker 1>every spot taken by a Chinese student, that's one spot

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<v Speaker 1>not given to an American student. So if it's eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand per head from China, and on top of

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<v Speaker 1>that living expenses, the Chinese government has an account balance

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<v Speaker 1>with each of these Chinese kids of about a half

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<v Speaker 1>million to a million dollars each that they spend on

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<v Speaker 1>these students to come to America to learn to stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the Chinese government want in return for all

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<v Speaker 1>that money invested in each of these three hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese students, what is Beijing wan from them? Because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a quid pro quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, a great question. And here's what I would

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of submit. If you look at the kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of colleges they're going for. So they target the elite

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<v Speaker 2>colleges and universities. Why because they know those are very

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<v Speaker 2>ripe based on the faculty as well, based on the

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<v Speaker 2>radicalization that occurs at those campuses. So they target Harvard, Columbia, NYU.

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<v Speaker 2>They're targeting these kinds of schools because they know that's

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<v Speaker 2>a ripe to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What to divide, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Create these sort of fissions between people, to bring issues

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<v Speaker 2>that are only going to create this sort of chasm

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<v Speaker 2>between people, and then they can go on their propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>and say, look at the US, look at their campuses,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the future generation. The fabric of the US

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<v Speaker 2>is being torn apart. Yeah, because you're injecting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that in and not just China. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the third area that we get the most foreign nationals

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<v Speaker 2>are are from the Middle East, where you have radical

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<v Speaker 2>in many cases, radical Muslims coming to the US. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not against the we learned from them, they learn

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<v Speaker 3>World gets better. That's different.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you start looking at where these students are

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<v Speaker 2>coming from and the kind of schools they go to,

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<v Speaker 2>Illinois Tech, Illinois Tech is fifty two percent foreign, forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent American students Carnegie Mellon, Stevens Tech, Northeastern Columbia,

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<v Speaker 2>Johns Hopkins Stamford, NYU where I did my film directing

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<v Speaker 2>training and script writing, Clark University, Rochester. What do these

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<v Speaker 2>all have in common? They're heavy duty tech. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of these students coming in and we know,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly in the film industry, China does not respect intellectual properties.

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<v Speaker 3>They know, respect.

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<v Speaker 2>Proprietary information, trade logos, trademarks, copyrights.

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<v Speaker 3>They grab.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, they walk in and with arms open and load

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<v Speaker 2>up as much as they can and go back to China.

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<v Speaker 2>In many cases, that's just what's happening, not me saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>FBI directors have been saying it, National Intel has been

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<v Speaker 2>saying it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, unlike the USSR that had a great we

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<v Speaker 1>thought military and great missile technology, they never had any economy.

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<v Speaker 1>They're never worth behaving like the Chinese Party and Chinese behaving.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is both it is a great military

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<v Speaker 1>power expanding and it's also a monetary cultural power that's expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>With the Silken Road initiative, they want to pay off.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the Nation of Columbia, as along with Panama

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<v Speaker 1>and Venezuela, has struck deals with the Communist Chinese Party

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<v Speaker 1>for what they own the countries, and then they have

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<v Speaker 1>the foreign policies and votes in the UN they require.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin o'larry have had on a couple of times from

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<v Speaker 1>he's on Shark Tank, this Canadian he's wonderful, talks about

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<v Speaker 1>there's no right that a Westerner has in China. Do

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<v Speaker 1>it to do anything. For example, if you if you complain, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>my trademark, my trade name was violated, they would look

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<v Speaker 1>at you and say, well, what were you talking. They

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<v Speaker 1>ignore American law, they ignore are requirements to get listed

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<v Speaker 1>on stock exchanges, and they just they know they're protected

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<v Speaker 1>once they're inside China. So I'll ask you a big question,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Raby, how do how do we confront this?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't yeah, so yeah, Well I'll use a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of the film industry to answer question. Look for

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<v Speaker 2>the film industry, China strategically targeted the film industry targeted

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood set up a lot of co production agreements, and

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<v Speaker 2>they do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll agree to things.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll sign things, and then the inks barely dry and

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<v Speaker 2>they violate it. And then for well over fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>the Motion Picture Association of America, led by Joe Biden's

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<v Speaker 2>former good buddy, best buddy, Chris Dodd, we're complaining and saying, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>all these violations, all these violations, and essentially, in about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen twenty sixteen, Joe Biden did a number of

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<v Speaker 2>agreements that basically just said we'll forget everything you did,

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<v Speaker 2>we won't follow up and the violations. Just essentially promised

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<v Speaker 2>to be better and promised to let Hollywood films in China.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes we will, Yes we will. Well what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Inconsistency, yep, violating agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>They let a few in, they close the door in others.

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<v Speaker 2>They change premiere times, they change, they rig the box

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<v Speaker 2>office numbers. They do everything you think of, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most nefarious things like for me, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>the independent filmmaker, if I want to do to your question,

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<v Speaker 2>if I want to do business in China, I got

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<v Speaker 2>to use the co production company and a code well

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<v Speaker 2>distributed from China. But as soon as I do, it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a Chinese film, and so then I go from Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is my product, this is my script. I'm the director, producer,

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<v Speaker 2>this is our studio to you are now at best

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<v Speaker 2>a junior partner.

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<v Speaker 3>You have no say and you have to open up

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<v Speaker 3>your books.

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<v Speaker 2>And any proprietary information or techniques or technology used for

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<v Speaker 3>And you're so right, they don't respect it. I've gone

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<v Speaker 3>I'd live this.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't. They basically laugh at you. There's no way

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<v Speaker 2>what it trademark? What is that but a piece of paper?

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<v Speaker 2>So how do we confront it? Well, we enforce agreements.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, we hold them accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>And in my.

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<v Speaker 2>Book, The Insatiable Dragon, I'm China to control the Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>of Cautionary Tale on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just get that and.

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<v Speaker 2>Quick because I getting a lot of people asking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>What I say is stop thinking China is the end

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<v Speaker 3>There are other ears.

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<v Speaker 2>I can film India, a democracy that's film crazy, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you put the investment there, it is so much

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<v Speaker 2>more open. They have shared laws, shared values. Places like India.

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<v Speaker 2>Place is outside of China. We've got to wean ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>from the addiction that is China. For all these years

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<v Speaker 2>or we're just going it's not going to end well

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's the only one to put the thumb in the dike.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine, I'll call it a widget because

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<v Speaker 1>it was costing him nine dollars to produce this widget.

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<v Speaker 1>After success for two or three years, he was contacted

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<v Speaker 1>one dollar instead of nine dollars, I'll take that deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Transferred the production of this so called widget, I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it to communist Red China. It worked for about a year.

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<v Speaker 1>They got access to all of his customers, all the hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually my friend had to file bankruptcy because he

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<v Speaker 1>patents and copyrights. Nothing was recognized whatsoever. A brand new

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<v Speaker 1>entity sprung up in China knew it exactly the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>called it a different process. Put my friend out of business.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's repeated one hundred thousand times a year by

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<v Speaker 2>Bill, You're you're absolutely on spot on with that. And

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese market. Well, the Chinese market now in Hollywood, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>That's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And what they do now is their domestic box office.

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<v Speaker 2>They bragg the largest in the world. They buy up

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<v Speaker 2>People may not realize that I'm not saying, but it

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<v Speaker 2>So we got to stop doing business, Bill one way,

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<v Speaker 2>never ends well because you don't have a partner that

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<v Speaker 2>respects to say, mores and values and laws as you do.

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<v Speaker 3>So how do you make it work?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can be super vigilant, you can try

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<v Speaker 2>to hold them accountable, but ultimately even your accountability has

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<v Speaker 2>to come from other sources because again, it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>They just again they laugh at that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to be a whole lot smarter and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five, thirty thirty five percent or more faculty

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<v Speaker 2>is it any wonder why again, some of the different values,

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<v Speaker 3>Price, and one of the big prices is a loss

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<v Speaker 2>They can't control it, and it spins out of control,

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<v Speaker 2>and the damage. It's like a tornado, man, it whips

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Rabdu, thank you. And the colleges now are are

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<v Speaker 1>encapsulated inside the Chinese government and also the most radical

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<v Speaker 1>elements in the Middle East. I'm watching it in real time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm watching what happened in Boulder. I'm looking what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. It's frightening. But Greg Ravedue, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>great American and once again, thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. Let's keep the lines of communication open.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Greg, absolutely, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless America. Let's continue with more. And there's Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>police stations in America, policing. They're citizens in our country

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure they follow the Beijing line. Bill Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW