Speaker 1: Every day we rise, challenging ourselves to work for what
Speaker 1: we believe in. At US Border Patrol, protecting our borders
Speaker 1: is more than a job. It's a calling. Agents answer
Speaker 1: the call, working together to keep our country and community safe.
Speaker 1: If you're ready for a new mission, join US Border
Speaker 1: Patrol and go beyond. Learn more at CBP dot gov
Speaker 1: slash Careers. Judy was boring Hello.
Speaker 2: Then Judy discovered chumpacasino dot com.
Speaker 1: It's my little escape.
Speaker 2: Now Judy is the life of the party.
Speaker 1: Oh baby, Mama is bringing home the bacon.
Speaker 2: WHOA Take it easy, Judy, The chumba life is for everybody.
Speaker 2: So go to chumpacasino dot com and play over one
Speaker 2: hundred casino style games. Join today and play for free
Speaker 2: for your chance to redeem some serious prices. Jump chumpacasino
Speaker 2: dot com. Noe's necessarily, We're promitted by eighteen plus turns
Speaker 2: and condition to blue.
Speaker 3: What's Everty?
Speaker 4: You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking
Speaker 4: killers in true crime history and the authors that have
Speaker 4: written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker DTK. Every
Speaker 4: week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and
Speaker 4: infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your
Speaker 4: host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening, A successful
Speaker 4: young mother, Kelsey Beareth, vanishes on Thanksgiving Day twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: The FBI is afraid they'll have to do a deal
Speaker 4: with the devil to find her. Kelsey, a pilot's so
Speaker 4: good she taught the military how to fly, goes shopping
Speaker 4: at a Safeway store, and simply disappears. Her fiance, Patrick Frazzi,
Speaker 4: says he doesn't have a clue. In fact, he says
Speaker 4: they broke up just a few days before. He's as
Speaker 4: mystified as everyone else. But Kelsey's mother, Cheryl, is afraid
Speaker 4: she knows what happened to her daughter. A task force
Speaker 4: of FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation agents believe
Speaker 4: they also know what happened to Kelsey. They have cell
Speaker 4: phone records and more, including surveillance video and DNA, but
Speaker 4: they have run into a roadblock. The agents have to
Speaker 4: get someone close to the killer to flip and turn
Speaker 4: state's evidence. Are they going to have to do a
Speaker 4: deal with the devil to find justice for Kelsey Beareth?
Speaker 4: The murder of Kelsey Beareth a shocking true crime story
Speaker 4: is a riveting story of a young woman's disappearance, her
Speaker 4: family's will to find out what happened, in a twenty
Speaker 4: first century police investigation that nearly cracks the case. Why
Speaker 4: open nearly? Will the FBI do a deal with the
Speaker 4: devil to solve this crime? The book that we're featuring
Speaker 4: this evening is The Murder of Kelsey Beareth, a shocking
Speaker 4: true crime story with my special guest, journalist and author
Speaker 4: Rod Cackley. Welcome to the program, and thank you very
Speaker 4: much for this interview.
Speaker 5: Rod Cackley, Hi, Dan, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on and
Speaker 3: talking about your latest The Murder of Kelsey Bareth. Let's
Speaker 3: start right away. I won't ask you why you decided
Speaker 3: to write this book because it's just obvious. This is
Speaker 3: such a compelling and incredible story that had a lot
Speaker 3: of media attention. Let's talk about how you open this book.
Speaker 3: This is November twenty second, twenty eighteen, and we taught
Speaker 3: we introduced Patrick Frazzi, if that's the pronunciation of his name.
Speaker 3: But there's a Thanksgiving dinner November twenty second that they planned.
Speaker 3: Tell us who all attends this dinner and just tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about Patrick and his relationship with
Speaker 3: his mother. Tell us a little bit about the characters, Sean,
Speaker 3: his family, Sheila. Tell us a little bit about these
Speaker 3: characters that are assembling for November twenty second, twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: Sure, Dan, glad to do it. We've got Sean Prosey
Speaker 5: or Prazy. I've always pronounced it crazy, but I don't
Speaker 5: know for sure, but Sean Frazy. His mother, Sheila, and
Speaker 5: Sean's wife are going to be in a Thanksgiving Day dinner.
Speaker 5: They're waiting for Patrick. Patrick and his mother, Sheila. They
Speaker 5: live together on a ranch. It's quite a nice ranch.
Speaker 5: They have horses. They are horse ranchers. Basically, Sean is married,
Speaker 5: he has a wife, kids, and he lives where he
Speaker 5: works in Colorado Springs. He's a Colorado Springs police officer. Patrick,
Speaker 5: on the other hand, is single, but he's hooked up
Speaker 5: with his and Kelsey Barraf we met online. Sheila lives
Speaker 5: alone with Patrick. Sheila's husband, Patrick and Shawn's father died
Speaker 5: in August, just a few months before this dinner. And
Speaker 5: as we look at the dinner, they are waiting for
Speaker 5: Patrick to show up. The dinner was supposed to begin
Speaker 5: at about three point thirty and Patrick's not there yet.
Speaker 5: It's already four o'clock.
Speaker 3: Right now, so they decide to carry on with dinner.
Speaker 3: And during the dinner, Patrick calls again again. He lives
Speaker 3: with his mother and he's expected to be there, so
Speaker 3: people are surprised that he is not there. And also
Speaker 3: he's supposed to show up with his fiance and his
Speaker 3: daughter's one year old daughter, Kaylee. So tell us about
Speaker 3: the phone call during dinner, what does he say?
Speaker 5: The family without Patrick, Kayley and Kelsey, they sat down
Speaker 5: to have dinner. Thirty minutes after they sat down, the
Speaker 5: homes Landline rings Patrick. He promised to join them, but
Speaker 5: he says, I will be late now. Sean's eyes roll.
Speaker 5: Sean is a family man, he's a police officer. He
Speaker 5: thinks Patrick's behavior is just outlandish. This is Thanksgiving Day dinner,
Speaker 5: after all. Sean says he's already late. After Sheila, his mother,
Speaker 5: tells him that Patrick will be there, but he'll be late.
Speaker 5: He's already late, says Sean, saying he'll be here as
Speaker 5: soon as possible. Sheila says, and he's bringing little Kayley,
Speaker 5: the one year old daughter. What about Kelsey, asks Sean's wife.
Speaker 5: Sheila looked her way and with a slight mod smile,
Speaker 5: rolls her eyes and says, no, Kelsey won't be here.
Speaker 3: Now. You talked about a little bit about the relationship
Speaker 3: with Sean and Patrick, and you right that they had
Speaker 3: been slightly estranged for many years and had gone different paths. Completely.
Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about the relationship between Sheila
Speaker 3: and Kelsey, and also what Kelsey's mother felt about Patrick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Patrick, Well, to begin with, let's talk about Kelsey's
Speaker 5: mother and Patrick. They don't get along. She can't understand.
Speaker 5: She doesn't think that Patrick is treating Kelsey right, can't
Speaker 5: understand why they don't have a place together. They live separately.
Speaker 5: Even though they're engaged, they live and they live separately.
Speaker 5: Shell his mother or her mother, Kelsey's mother thinks they
Speaker 5: should be living together. The relationship between Kelsey and Sheila,
Speaker 5: Patrick's mother is worse, much worse. The first time they meet,
Speaker 5: Sheila calls Kelsey a prostitute. Then she calls her a hooker.
Speaker 5: This is bad right now. They were able to work
Speaker 5: this out a little bit, but they have a bad relationship.
Speaker 5: Kelsey wants to be part of the family. She can't
Speaker 5: understand why she was treating her like this, but Sheila
Speaker 5: just does not want her in her house. She does
Speaker 5: not want her with her son Patrick.
Speaker 3: Now, regardless of the family animosity there, and Kelsey still
Speaker 3: wants to make this work and believes that this is
Speaker 3: the man that's going to be in a relationship. They
Speaker 3: have a child together, and in fact, on November twentieth,
Speaker 3: a couple of days before Thanksgiving, Kelsey sends a text
Speaker 3: to her boss at Joss Aviation. What exactly does he
Speaker 3: What's the gist of the message to her boss.
Speaker 5: Basically, she basically on November twentieth, two days before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 5: she tells her boss that she couldn't be happier and
Speaker 5: she's very happy, in fact, because Patrick has agreed to
Speaker 5: go to the company Christmas party with her, something she
Speaker 5: wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3: Right so that it's for all accounts, And she tells
Speaker 3: her friends as well, whether they believe it or not,
Speaker 3: that this is she's in love and that she feels
Speaker 3: very confident about this relationship. Right now. You introduced another character,
Speaker 3: and her name is Crystal Lee Kenny, and she's a
Speaker 3: nurse from Idaho. Now she has also had a relationship
Speaker 3: before Kelsey became came into the picture. And tell us
Speaker 3: about this relationship she has with Patrick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and tell Crystal and Patrick go back a long
Speaker 5: way for pretty much a decade. Crystal met Patrick and
Speaker 5: started playing around with him. Well she was married. Patrick
Speaker 5: got Krystel pregnant, told her to get an abortion, which
Speaker 5: she did. Then he told her to get a divorce,
Speaker 5: which she did. All with the promise, sometimes explicit and
Speaker 5: sometimes implied that they would get married and have a
Speaker 5: life together. They never got married, they never had a
Speaker 5: life together. They split up, They didn't talk to each
Speaker 5: other for a couple of years, but still bumped into
Speaker 5: Patrick and it all started over again. Even though by
Speaker 5: the way they got divorced. She a Crystal and her
Speaker 5: husband Chad. Even though they got divorced, they still live
Speaker 5: together and raise their kids together, which presents another interesting
Speaker 5: dynamic in this story.
Speaker 3: And the thing is too, is that he had asked
Speaker 3: her to get divorced and they hooked up again. But
Speaker 3: then he told her, listen, I have a meta woman.
Speaker 3: I'm now going to be I'm engaged to be married,
Speaker 3: and I have a child. And this is all from
Speaker 3: the woman that he has to be divorced, asked her
Speaker 3: to get a divorce, a bored a child, change her life.
Speaker 3: Just to show just a state of mind that for
Speaker 3: of Crystal Lee Kenny to some degree. Now, let's talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say. The thing is,
Speaker 5: she knows it shouldn't be this way. She knows this
Speaker 5: is a bad relationship that she just can't say no to.
Speaker 3: Patrick m let's talk about at the same time. It's
Speaker 3: this November twenty second Thanksgiving dinner a neighbor of Kelsey,
Speaker 3: and this is across the street in the same neighborhoods
Speaker 3: as Kelsey's condo. And this is Leslie Jackson, and she
Speaker 3: has had a situation where she believes that she needs
Speaker 3: surveillance camera, so she has a sophisticated three camera surveillance
Speaker 3: set up. But one of the cameras is focused on
Speaker 3: her neighbor's door, which happens to be Kelsey's condo. Now
Speaker 3: on Leslie's at her mother's house on Thanksgiving, but the
Speaker 3: phone has the app connected to this surveillance. So tell
Speaker 3: us a little bit about what Leslie Jackson just notices
Speaker 3: while she's at Thanksgiving dinner with her mother.
Speaker 5: The phone is on the side and it starts buzzing
Speaker 5: coming indicating that there's activity on the camera and it's
Speaker 5: taking pictures. What's happening. As you said, one of the
Speaker 5: cameras is focused on Kelsey's front door, and so Lethie
Speaker 5: knows something's going on at the neighbor's house or at
Speaker 5: her house. But then when she checks the film, she
Speaker 5: finds out it's the pictures are all firm Kelsey's front door.
Speaker 5: That's where the action's happening. It's Thanksgiving Day, so she
Speaker 5: doesn't really look at it too much and doesn't get
Speaker 5: too concerned about it because it is Thanksgiving Day and
Speaker 5: she doesn't want to interrupt dinner with her mother, but
Speaker 5: she can tell that something's going on at Kelsey's s
Speaker 5: front door at her turn door.
Speaker 3: Now, this is November twenty fifth, three days after November
Speaker 3: twenty second, and Kelsey's mother, Cheryl, and her brother Clint.
Speaker 3: Kelsey's brother Clint had sent texts but hadn't heard and
Speaker 3: then called but hadn't heard from Kelsey since November twenty
Speaker 3: second from Thanksgiving from a text that they had received
Speaker 3: at that time, and I well, Cheryl had spoken to
Speaker 3: her daughter earlier, and they'd spoken about making cinnamon buns
Speaker 3: and talking about Thanksgiving itself. So November twenty fifth. Now
Speaker 3: it's December first, and mom Cheryl has not and Clint
Speaker 3: have not heard from her. So what's the conversation December
Speaker 3: first with Cheryl and Clint and what do they decide
Speaker 3: to do?
Speaker 5: Well, Cheryl and Clint are very close with Kelsey. This
Speaker 5: is a very tight knit family. But they know they
Speaker 5: have the fealing something's wrong. But then again, see, remember
Speaker 5: Kelsey is a pilot. We haven't really touched down there,
Speaker 5: but she's a pilot, so she often flies and is
Speaker 5: often gone from her turndal for days at a time,
Speaker 5: so they have to so they don't automatically assume something's wrong.
Speaker 5: But still they are concerned. So Cheryl reaches out to Clint. Clint,
Speaker 5: from his home near Tacoma, Washington, goes to Cheryl's place
Speaker 5: in northern Idaho. Together, they fly to Colorado and then
Speaker 5: drive a rental car to Woodland Park to her contra
Speaker 5: Kelsey's condo to see for themselves what's going on? Now?
Speaker 3: What do they notice right away? Some of the things
Speaker 3: that they notice right away unusual for her, So tell
Speaker 3: us all the things that they notice, just obvious things
Speaker 3: that they can deduce from going into that condo and
Speaker 3: taking a look around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have the key. So they go into this
Speaker 5: two bedroom, one bath condo and the first thing they
Speaker 5: noticed right away is the thermostatus set of seventy two degrees.
Speaker 5: Cheryl and the brother Clint, they wonder, now, why would
Speaker 5: anyone set their thermostad at seventy two if they knew
Speaker 5: they were going to be gone for a few days.
Speaker 5: Then they look into the kitchen and they find out
Speaker 5: they find rather a plate of cinnamon roles. Remember, as
Speaker 5: you said, Cheryl and Kelsey had talked about Chelsea making
Speaker 5: a plate of cinnamon rolls to take over to Sheila
Speaker 5: and Patrick's house for Thanksgiving Day. The plate of cinnamon
Speaker 5: rolls is sitting on the counter in the kitchen. No,
Speaker 5: it's not covered, nobody. Why would Kelsea do that if
Speaker 5: she was leaving for a few days and the cinnamon
Speaker 5: rolls are rock hard. They've been sitting there obviously since
Speaker 5: the morning of Thanksgiving Day when they were made. You
Speaker 5: could hammer nails of these things, Cheryl thought, and Clint said,
Speaker 5: they must have been left out for days. You know
Speaker 5: that she was making them Thanksgiving morning. Then they go
Speaker 5: into they look at the floors, the chen. It's perfectly clean.
Speaker 5: This place is spotless. What young mother, a working mother
Speaker 5: with a one year old girl, is going to have
Speaker 5: a spotless home. It's obviously they had an intense cleaning
Speaker 5: in that condo sometime between Thanksgiving Day and the day
Speaker 5: December first that they're there. It's just not like her
Speaker 5: at all. But at the same time, there are piles
Speaker 5: of dirty clothes everywhere, So there's this real paradox of
Speaker 5: what they're finding. They opened a closet door in the
Speaker 5: hallway and they find Kelsey's luggage. Why would she be
Speaker 5: gone for a few days a week and then leave
Speaker 5: her luggage in the closet. They go into the bathroom,
Speaker 5: they find her toothbrushes. There, they find her makeup kit.
Speaker 5: Is there all of these signs they're showing you that,
Speaker 5: or showing them rather that if Kelsey left, she certainly
Speaker 5: didn't plan to leave and didn't plan to be going
Speaker 5: for a long time.
Speaker 3: Now you say that Cheryl doesn't like and doesn't get
Speaker 3: along with Patrick, but she thinks her next move certainly
Speaker 3: should be to call Patrick and see what he knows
Speaker 3: and talk to him, so she certainly gets him on
Speaker 3: the phoney answers. Tell us about this quite odd conversation.
Speaker 5: It was a very odd conversation because Cheryl thinks that
Speaker 5: if nothing Elseatrick at least must know where Kelsey is.
Speaker 5: He doesn't have a clue. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 5: he says, Cheryl, I would not know because we broke up.
Speaker 5: And Cheryl says, no, wait a minute, she told me
Speaker 5: you were going to get married. She was very happy.
Speaker 5: I talked to her in the morning of Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 5: and she gave me no clue, and she actually said
Speaker 5: that you were going to go to the Christmas party,
Speaker 5: the company Christmas party. And Patrick says, no, I haven't
Speaker 5: seen her for a couple of weeks, and I haven't
Speaker 5: talked to her for a couple of weeks. I have
Speaker 5: no idea where she is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so, but she can't believe his response, but
Speaker 3: she says things like, come on, Patrick, you haven't seen
Speaker 3: her in two weeks, and neither have I or anyone else.
Speaker 3: All right, but he still she implores him to help
Speaker 3: her in searching for this woman that he said he
Speaker 3: loved just and everyone thought they were ready to be married.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: What does he say, no, sponsor that? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cheryl says, can't you at least reach out and
Speaker 5: call her, call her and find out where she is,
Speaker 5: call her and find out if anything's wrong. And Patrick says,
Speaker 5: I don't think she's gonna want to talk to me.
Speaker 5: And Cheryl says, please just call Chelsea, the woman you
Speaker 5: you know, the mother of your child. Can't you call her?
Speaker 5: He goes, Okay, okay, I'll call her, but I'm going
Speaker 5: to take care of my talles first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, m hm.
Speaker 5: Now it was time to call the police, as far
Speaker 5: as Cheryl.
Speaker 3: The absolutely, So she calls h Woodland Park Police and
Speaker 3: she talks to a corporal Dina Curran. So what does
Speaker 3: Dina Kerran do in response to this?
Speaker 5: Well, remember too, when they were in the condo, we
Speaker 5: should mention if they found blood in the bathroom, stocks
Speaker 5: in the bathroom, and so now it's definitely time to
Speaker 5: call the police, uh Kurran. Corporal Curran says, well, she
Speaker 5: calls Patrick and talks to Patrick about Chelsea and can't
Speaker 5: understand either why he want Paul Kelsey. Patrick admits that
Speaker 5: Cheryl called him a few days ago and told him
Speaker 5: that she couldn't find Kelsey. Chelsea was not replying to
Speaker 5: any texts or phone calls. And then Patrick admits to
Speaker 5: the corporal that we were engaged, but we aren't anymore.
Speaker 5: We had a real heart to heart before Thanksgiving, he sighs,
Speaker 5: and you know, he gives her the impression that Chelsea
Speaker 5: dugged him and the relationship just wasn't working, or from
Speaker 5: different backgrounds, it just didn't work out. He says that
Speaker 5: really it wasn't a lover's quarrel. He returned everything that
Speaker 5: Kelsey had in his home. He'd given back a gun,
Speaker 5: an extra car key, and even this handgun to Chelsea.
Speaker 5: So this raises a flag with corporal current. She asks
Speaker 5: if either one of them had been depressed. We've got
Speaker 5: a gun in the mix now, he says no. He
Speaker 5: explains that they've met online on a dating app and
Speaker 5: send her a text. He says in November twenty fifth,
Speaker 5: and he was looking at it on his phone as
Speaker 5: he was talking to the police corporal and he wrote,
Speaker 5: he texted, do you even love me? But he says,
Speaker 5: told Cheryl he hadn't heard from Chelsea for a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks. Well, now I'm telling the police officer that
Speaker 5: he texted her and was expecting a response on November
Speaker 5: twenty fifth.
Speaker 3: Right, let's use this as an opportunity to stop for
Speaker 3: these messages.
Speaker 6: Lucky Land Casino asking people, what's the weirdest place you've
Speaker 6: gotten lucky? Lucky in line at the Delhi I guess ah,
Speaker 6: in my dentist's office more than once.
Speaker 1: Actually, do I have to say?
Speaker 5: Yes? You do?
Speaker 1: In the car before my kid's PTA meeting?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: Yes, excuse me?
Speaker 2: What's the weirdest place you've gotten lucky? I never win?
Speaker 4: And tell well, there you have it.
Speaker 6: You could get lucky anywhere playing at Lucky landslaughts dot
Speaker 6: com play for free right now?
Speaker 2: Are you feeling lucky?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 6: We're just necessary void were to be my law eighteen
Speaker 6: plus terms, conditions plus he was everything else.
Speaker 4: Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse.
Speaker 2: We're family, Canoli's and spins mean everything? Now you want
Speaker 2: to get mixed up in the family business.
Speaker 1: Introducing the Godfather at Champa Casino dot Com. Test your
Speaker 1: luck in the shadowy world of the Godfather slot.
Speaker 3: Someday I will call upon you to do a service.
Speaker 4: For me play the Godfather now at Champacasino dot com.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the family vdW group. Nope's necessary if we
Speaker 2: we're privateed by loss He terms and conditions eighteen plus.
Speaker 3: Now Rod, we are now December fourth and twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and Ray Seabring is the boss at dos Aviation and
Speaker 3: Kelsey hasn't been at work, but he had received a
Speaker 3: message in November twenty fifth something about she couldn't come
Speaker 3: in because grandma was sick. What does he believe when
Speaker 3: he talks to Cheryl when what does he believe about
Speaker 3: that text?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, he's not totally suspicious because, as he says,
Speaker 5: people do get Now she called in, say or texted
Speaker 5: in six I guess I guess you could say called off.
Speaker 5: And you know, he says, people do get sick. But
Speaker 5: then he looks at the text, the wording of the text,
Speaker 5: and Ray says, look at this. Kelsey never puts a
Speaker 5: comma after my name in a text. She always uses
Speaker 5: an exclamation point that wasn't in the text. So right
Speaker 5: away she's thinking something's wrong because she wrote her text
Speaker 5: to him was Hirayama, it was a great day. Dot
Speaker 5: dot got happy Thanksgiving to you too. Read the message again,
Speaker 5: no exclamation point, and she put a comma after his name,
Speaker 5: So he's thinking that something's wrong there and again and
Speaker 5: she always put the little smiley faces in that people
Speaker 5: put in their text. Sometimes in this text there are
Speaker 5: no smiley faces. So again that's kind of a red
Speaker 5: flag to him.
Speaker 3: And Cheryl had received texts and again she didn't believe
Speaker 3: that it sounded like her daughter at all.
Speaker 5: Did she write again again, there are we all have
Speaker 5: the way that we text, and it's almost like a
Speaker 5: fingerprint in a way. Uh, the Kelsey's texts suddenly I'm changed.
Speaker 5: Cheryl's noticing things that are wrong with the text. She
Speaker 5: received a text, for instance, from Kelsey's phone which read
Speaker 5: I'm tied up. I'll call you later. But Kelsey never
Speaker 5: once told me that Patrick, and never once told her
Speaker 5: rather that she and Patrick were having fights or problems.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Now, the Woodland Park police had been inside
Speaker 3: Kelsey's condo in it presented some problems because they never
Speaker 3: really found anything very enough. There wasn't enough aside from
Speaker 3: the small drops of blood on the toilet, you say,
Speaker 3: but there was no forced entry or sign of struggle.
Speaker 3: But they did research the place, and you say that
Speaker 3: they left with an iPad, a notebook with passwords, and
Speaker 3: a Safeway receipt purchased November twenty second. But you say
Speaker 3: that you write that there. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation
Speaker 3: joins the case, right.
Speaker 5: This is where the CBI gets into the case. And
Speaker 5: this is where it gets really interesting because they bring
Speaker 5: in technology that was not available to the Woodland Park Police.
Speaker 5: And part of this technology isn't really technology. Has dogs.
Speaker 5: They bring in some Cadine dogs to sniff through the place.
Speaker 5: They want to there's a two thousand and six toiluret
Speaker 5: of Corolla and their red Chevy Silverado pickup in the
Speaker 5: driveway of Chelsea's house or Turndo, and so they want
Speaker 5: to do a dog search. Our dog train defines human
Speaker 5: remains and they also talk to sh Cheryl. Of the
Speaker 5: agents Greg Slater and Kevin Torres. They talked to Cheryl
Speaker 5: for the first time and she tells them that even
Speaker 5: when she was younger, she never ran away from home. Kelsey,
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm referring to Kelsey here. So the fact
Speaker 5: that she has disappeared is totally totally, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: out of bounds for her, but she talks to them
Speaker 5: too about the text messages that she has been getting.
Speaker 5: She tells the agents that the sentences were all wrong.
Speaker 5: Kelsey always writes her texts in complete sentences. These messages
Speaker 5: have incomplete sentences or the messages have incomplete sentences with
Speaker 5: the live abbreviations that Kelsey never used. So the CBI
Speaker 5: rather is getting a little more concerned about this. They
Speaker 5: go into the Corolla. They don't find anything at the
Speaker 5: pickup truck, but then they go into the Corolla with
Speaker 5: his dog and Lucy is her name, the dog's name,
Speaker 5: which is like in the ninety to ninety five percentile
Speaker 5: among her CA nine colleagues accuracy. This dog just doesn't
Speaker 5: make mistakes and she drops right down on the pavement.
Speaker 5: The dog picks up something from outside that Corolla that
Speaker 5: shows her that either you've got that human remains here
Speaker 5: of some kind is what the dog minds.
Speaker 3: Yeah now still December fourth, twenty eighteen, Patrick's brother Sean,
Speaker 3: he's a police officer. Even without that, he knows something
Speaker 3: is wrong with Patrick. He Patrick had called him to meet,
Speaker 3: which was in himself unusual, and the day before they
Speaker 3: had a weird conversation and he told Patrick told Sean
Speaker 3: that Kelsey is missing, so they have a conversation. Tell
Speaker 3: us about the gist of this conversation between Patrick and Sean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Patrick tells call Sean the day before the December
Speaker 5: third and tells he just drops his bombshell that Kelsey
Speaker 5: has missed out of nowhere. So they arranged to meet.
Speaker 5: They don't meet at a home. They don't meet at
Speaker 5: Sean's house, They don't meet at Patrick where Patrick lives
Speaker 5: with his mother and the family home. They meet in
Speaker 5: a parking lot, of all places. So Sean, being a
Speaker 5: police officer, his suspicions and raised right away. Patrick tells
Speaker 5: Sean that he and Kelsey have broken up, and Sean says, well,
Speaker 5: if you've broken up, how do you know that Kelsey's missing?
Speaker 5: If you haven't talked to her, if you haven't been
Speaker 5: around her. Her mom called, He's explains, and Cheryl said,
Speaker 5: no one's seen her. Says Thanksgiving. But no, wait a minute,
Speaker 5: Sean says, Thanksgiving, didn't you see Kelsey when you picked
Speaker 5: up Kayley? Remember that was the story on the phone. Okay.
Speaker 5: Then Patrick's quiet, but he starts breathing very heavily, and
Speaker 5: you know the police officer. Sean knows that this guy
Speaker 5: is lying. Well, her grandmother was sick. Patrick said, I
Speaker 5: know that, so she's going to visit her. And Sean says,
Speaker 5: wouldn't your mother have known that? I mean, this is
Speaker 5: really a a brother, the brother's sibling interrogation, if you will,
Speaker 5: Michean can't help himself. He's a cop. This is what
Speaker 5: he does. And Patrick, you know the old saying that
Speaker 5: you know the tangled web we weave when one persons
Speaker 5: begin to de see. This is what Patrick is finding out. Now,
Speaker 5: He's getting stuck in this web of lies, in this
Speaker 5: web of deceit that he started spinning from Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5: Then another police officer shows up. A Woodland Park police
Speaker 5: officer shows up. He's been looking for Patrick if he
Speaker 5: wants his cell phone. You know the cell phones. I
Speaker 5: mean you're always being watched that you have no privacy
Speaker 5: when you're holding a cell phone. Okay, people can find
Speaker 5: out where you are by your phone calls. The Woodland
Speaker 5: Park police officer wants Patrick's phone, doesn't have a warrant,
Speaker 5: but he says, this time I'm asking next time it'll
Speaker 5: be different. Sean is a brother police officer, and he
Speaker 5: advises Patrick just to turn over the phone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, December fourth, twenty and eighteen. You're right that Patrick
Speaker 3: needs a phone. He needed to make a call. So
Speaker 3: he goes to see his friend. And we didn't introduce
Speaker 3: his friend yet, Joseph Paul Moore. And he's a cattleman
Speaker 3: as well, and he considers Patrick like a little brother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he calls him a step kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Joseph Moore and Patrick go way back years and years,
Speaker 5: even longer than Patrick's relationship with Crystal. Okay, And so
Speaker 5: he goes to Joseph's house to borrow a cell phone
Speaker 5: to use his phone. He says, I need to use
Speaker 5: your phone. Got to talk to somebody about some horses. Joseph,
Speaker 5: because they're such good friends, this is unusual, but he
Speaker 5: still doesn't hesitate. He hands over the phone to Patrick.
Speaker 5: But again he's wondering, who doesn't have a phone these days?
Speaker 5: And if you lose the phone, don't you just go
Speaker 5: buy a burner or just get another phone to the
Speaker 5: place it Who walks around the metal phone and asks
Speaker 5: to borrow a phone these days? So he gives Patrick
Speaker 5: the phone anyway, and then walks away to give him
Speaker 5: a little bit of privacy, but he does overhear Patrick say,
Speaker 5: if I get arrested because they had taken my phone,
Speaker 5: I'm going to have my friend here call you. It'll
Speaker 5: be from this number, So come and get these horses.
Speaker 5: And of course he is referring to Joseph because he's
Speaker 5: on Joseph's phone, right. The person on the other end
Speaker 5: is a lot more talking than Patrick, so Joseph can't
Speaker 5: hear that, but obviously he's getting more and more suspicious,
Speaker 5: and minutes are clicking by on Joseph's phone. Finally, Patrick
Speaker 5: slaps the phone shut and gives it back to his friend,
Speaker 5: says thanks, Buddy, gets into his fluck and drives away,
Speaker 5: and then that's it. He doesn't say anything more than Joseph.
Speaker 5: So Joseph starts thinking, who the heck's he calling on
Speaker 5: my phone?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: So he looks it up and he doesn't recognize the number,
Speaker 5: but he does recognize the area code two eight Idaho
Speaker 5: calling somebody in Idaho. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, the next day, December fifth, twenty eighteen. Now we're
Speaker 3: at the Credit Unions in Woodland Park and Patrick is there.
Speaker 3: He wants to speak to the manager. Now, what does
Speaker 3: he want to speak to the manager about December fifth.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Now this credit union, the Federal Credit Union on
Speaker 5: Paradise Lodge, laying at Woodland Park. This is where he
Speaker 5: and Kelsey have accounts. He walks in. He doesn't look nervous,
Speaker 5: but he wants to talk to the manager. And what
Speaker 5: he wants is He asks her, is it possible to
Speaker 5: get a copy of what your surveillance camera recorded on
Speaker 5: November twenty second? The manager, Patricia can't understand why you
Speaker 5: would want that. They looked at her and says, you
Speaker 5: know who I am? I mean, who says that you
Speaker 5: know who I am? Yeah? And she nods yes. She says, well,
Speaker 5: I use the ATM that day and I need to
Speaker 5: get a copy of the tape show the police where
Speaker 5: I walk us. That way I can prove that they
Speaker 5: should stop thinking of me as a suspect in Kelsey's disappearance,
Speaker 5: he says. And Patricia just can't believe this. She's trying
Speaker 5: to get this guy out of her office as smoothly
Speaker 5: and quietly as possible, So she tells him that. She says,
Speaker 5: why would she want that tape? Why would you need
Speaker 5: to show the police where you were on November twenty second,
Speaker 5: if Kelsey had talked to her mom three days after
Speaker 5: that on the twenty fifth, because he told her that
Speaker 5: Kelsey called her mom on the twenty fifth, And so
Speaker 5: she knows something's wrong here. She's really tense and she
Speaker 5: sees this rage flash through Patrick's face. Now other people
Speaker 5: have mentioned this too, that he just flips the trigger,
Speaker 5: flips a switch and pulls the trigger. He just gets
Speaker 5: intensely angry, and she sees it, and she backs up,
Speaker 5: and she all she wants now is to get him
Speaker 5: out of there before she gets hurt. And she explained
Speaker 5: to him that the tape is no good. They recycle
Speaker 5: the tapes every day, so there's no evidence of what
Speaker 5: was happening on November twenty seconds and finally he leaves.
Speaker 5: He slams the you know, slams the door, Pulson door open,
Speaker 5: yanks the door open, let it slam behind him, gets
Speaker 5: in his car, slams the door shut. He speeds off. Well. Patricia,
Speaker 5: the bank manager of the credit union manager, she calls
Speaker 5: the police right away, and as soon as the detective
Speaker 5: picks up, she says, you aren't going to believe who
Speaker 5: was just here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you talk about still days later Tanya Atkinson,
Speaker 3: the crime scene analyst from Colorado Bureau of Investigation, spends
Speaker 3: the afternoon looking for bloodstains in the condos. There's also
Speaker 3: she realizes the bath mat is missing, the fridge has
Speaker 3: been wiped down, then does various tests in the washroom itself,
Speaker 3: bloodstains found throughout the bathroom, blood everywhere basically, and determine
Speaker 3: that it's likely foul play. Now on December eleventh, Patrick
Speaker 3: now is again desperate. He goes to the Verizon store
Speaker 3: and again he says, do you know who I am?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And what does he ask the people at the Horizon
Speaker 3: store to do?
Speaker 5: He talks to a guy by the name of David Feller.
Speaker 5: Can He's staring the heck out of this guy, just
Speaker 5: like he did with Patricia. But what he wants to
Speaker 5: know is if you smash a cell phone up, does
Speaker 5: that ruin it? Does that make it so that nobody
Speaker 5: can tell who you've talked to? Does that ruin the
Speaker 5: system that records who you talk to? And David says
Speaker 5: what He says, well, can I see your phone? And
Speaker 5: Patrick says, well, I don't have the phone with me.
Speaker 5: The phone's not here. David says he says. He tells
Speaker 5: Patrick that he can't do anything without the PIN number.
Speaker 5: But now David knows who Patrick is too, He knows
Speaker 5: this is a guy. Everybody knows everything in Woodland Park
Speaker 5: about this case. And so Patrick says, now I had
Speaker 5: a busted up phone, if it was broken or damaged
Speaker 5: like somebody smashed with a hammer, would you be able
Speaker 5: to get information off of it, like a call record
Speaker 5: or something. And David says, I really can't tell you
Speaker 5: anything without that pin. So then he says, will you
Speaker 5: excuse me, David, this is David says, will you excuse me?
Speaker 5: I have to use the bathroom. He just goes into
Speaker 5: the bathroom and locks the door and sits in the
Speaker 5: door in the bathroom, praying that Patrick will just leave,
Speaker 5: which he does. Patrick finally gets tired of waiting and
Speaker 5: just takes off. So David grabs his phone still in
Speaker 5: the bathroom, mind you, and calls to the police and says,
Speaker 5: Patrick frazy was just here and tells the cop what
Speaker 5: happened the cop on the phone, and the police officer says, well,
Speaker 5: you'll be getting a call from somebody at the district's
Speaker 5: attorney's District attorney's office I can guarantee you that. So again, Patrick,
Speaker 5: you know, he's trying to get out of this, he's
Speaker 5: trying to build an alibi for himself or or you know,
Speaker 5: but every step he takes, he's just in deeper and
Speaker 5: deeper into this problem.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now, meanwhile, we talked about this twenty first century
Speaker 3: approach with the FBI and the CBI, and you write
Speaker 3: about this Celebrate technology. Tell us about this technology and
Speaker 3: what they do to be what they are able to
Speaker 3: determine as a result of this using this technology.
Speaker 5: The Celebrate is from an Israeli a digital intelligence company.
Speaker 5: It's a subsidiary of Sun Corporation in Japan. They've got
Speaker 5: a US division. And what this Celebrate technology does and
Speaker 5: let's police get into cell phones, drones, computers to pull
Speaker 5: out info. Okay, so nothing again is private. Now they've
Speaker 5: got patrick cell phone and so they can use this
Speaker 5: Celebrate technology on this to find out who he's been calling,
Speaker 5: but more importantly where the phone was used. So they
Speaker 5: can look at November twenty first, for instance, there's an
Speaker 5: indication of movement or they're looking at the cameras too.
Speaker 5: They also have cameras from the neighbor's homes and they're
Speaker 5: looking at the pictures there. But this deelibride technology shows
Speaker 5: them exactly where Patrick's phone was, and it will show
Speaker 5: them too where Kelsey's phone was.
Speaker 3: Now with that as well, they they have found some
Speaker 3: interesting things about the location of of Crystal's phone and
Speaker 3: of Kelsey's phone. So tell us about what they determined
Speaker 3: from this about those phones and their locations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with the with crystals in Kelsey's phone, they find
Speaker 5: that somehow Kelsey's phone is going toward Idaho, you know,
Speaker 5: with the with the towers that it clicks off of,
Speaker 5: they see that Kelsey's phone is going toward Idaho. And
Speaker 5: it was last used in a in an area that
Speaker 5: is totally isolated, totally remote, and would have had to
Speaker 5: gone off of a gully, so she would have had
Speaker 5: to make this call and then just simply vanished from
Speaker 5: the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3: And she had also said that she was having a conversation,
Speaker 3: that Crystal was having a conversation with Patrick or the
Speaker 3: part of me it wasn't having a conversation. That they
Speaker 3: had spent the day together on the twenty fourth, and
Speaker 3: then on the twenty fifth they had departed. She had
Speaker 3: she had left, so that lend no credence to what
Speaker 3: they were saying. In in fact, that they we're putting
Speaker 3: the phone, Kelsey's phone with Crystal, putting those two people together,
Speaker 3: whereas obviously Kelsey and Crystal were not together in the
Speaker 3: same vehicle, and that obviously she was not able to
Speaker 3: be with Patrick on November twenty fourth and actually be
Speaker 3: on the telephone at the same time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, you see the thing is she said that
Speaker 5: this is let's jump over to December fourteenth. The FBI
Speaker 5: is talking to her. They're very interested in Crystal and
Speaker 5: what she remember about the twenty fourth of November. Now
Speaker 5: the FBI, there are two FBI agents in the room
Speaker 5: with Crystal and they're interviewing her back and forth, back
Speaker 5: and forth. So she really is unsettled. But she's got
Speaker 5: this story that she and Patrick worked out together that
Speaker 5: just is not making any sense because it doesn't jive
Speaker 5: with what they've learned about the phones from the cell
Speaker 5: phone towers as to where she was. For instance, she
Speaker 5: says that she was on the she was with Patrick
Speaker 5: in his house most of the day, but they have
Speaker 5: phone records that show she called Patrick and they had
Speaker 5: a phone conversation and when was the last time you
Speaker 5: had a phone conversation with someone you were in the
Speaker 5: same house with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was asked even if she ever had met
Speaker 3: met Kelsey. What was her response?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she said she never met Kelsey, didn't even know
Speaker 5: anything about her, didn't know her name. As a matter
Speaker 5: of fact, as she put it to the FBI in Oh, no, never.
Speaker 5: I didn't even know she existed until I started reading
Speaker 5: the stories about her disappearance. One of the fbiations said,
Speaker 5: but you knew Patrick had a daughter with another woman. Sure,
Speaker 5: And then another agent says, and you never thought even
Speaker 5: once to ask the man you love to tell you
Speaker 5: the name of the brother of his child. So again,
Speaker 5: they're getting her. They're trapping her here. You know, this
Speaker 5: is a very pleasant conversation, but the questions get nailed
Speaker 5: deeper and deeper. I mean, the coss nails just go
Speaker 5: deeper and deeper every time she answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they get her to lie and mislead police completely,
Speaker 3: and then she's wedded to those statements after this interview though.
Speaker 3: It was a masterful I believe, because Crystal thinks and
Speaker 3: tells Patrick, what about the interrogation, She's a question.
Speaker 5: No, worries. She says, she aced it. They've got nothing,
Speaker 5: no worries. She said that she handled it beautifully. They
Speaker 5: let her believe that she handled it beautifully. But you know,
Speaker 5: the agents say, point out that Patrick and Crystal spoke
Speaker 5: on the phone three times the morning of November twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: and two more times that afternoon. However, Crystal told the
Speaker 5: FBI that she and Patrick had been together in his
Speaker 5: house that day, and again the FBI says, now, when
Speaker 5: was the last time you picked up a phone and
Speaker 5: called somebody who they were in the same house with you.
Speaker 5: It shows Crystal's phone was connected to the tower at
Speaker 5: the Colorado Utah border at four thirteen am, at four
Speaker 5: seventeen am, and four to twenty three am on November
Speaker 5: twenty fifth. And guess whose phone was connected to the
Speaker 5: same tower way out in the middle of nowhere. Patrick's,
Speaker 5: no Kelsey's, So she had Kelsey's phone on her way
Speaker 5: out in the middle of nowhere on November twenty fifth,
Speaker 5: even though she told the f the are she had
Speaker 5: never met Kelsey, so the two of them couldn't have
Speaker 5: been in the black car. She borrowed the car a
Speaker 5: black cart, so the two of them could not have
Speaker 5: been in a car together. They couldn't have been with
Speaker 5: each other. She didn't even know her on November twenty fifth, supposedly,
Speaker 5: but actually they were out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 5: at the Colorado Idaho border. At least Chelsea's phone was
Speaker 5: out in the middle of nowhere at the Colorado Idaho border.
Speaker 3: Let's use this as an opportunity to stop for a
Speaker 3: second to talk about our sponsor, which is Ritual. Do
Speaker 3: you really know what's in your multivitamin? Sugars, GMOs, synthetic fillers,
Speaker 3: artificial colorants, not to mention animal byproducts like sheep's wool
Speaker 3: and gelatin from hooves and hides. They're all ingredients you
Speaker 3: might find in a multivitamin. But Ritual isn't your typical multivitamin.
Speaker 3: Ritual's clean, vegan friendly formula is made with key nutrients
Speaker 3: in forms your body can actually use, no shady extras.
Speaker 3: My wife Lisa decided to try Ritual's Essential for Women
Speaker 3: about nine months ago. She visited ritual site and read
Speaker 3: about their unique approach to a woman's multivitamin and was
Speaker 3: impressed with Ritual's research into better vitamin and mineral sources
Speaker 3: as compared to other multivitamins. She decided to incorporate Ritual
Speaker 3: into her daily routine of healthy eating and exercise. She
Speaker 3: believes Ritual has made a significant difference. And now that
Speaker 3: Ritual has developed Ritual for men plus fifty, I've started
Speaker 3: taking Ritual for the same reasons Lisa has. Ritual is
Speaker 3: a better multivitamin now available for women, men, and teens.
Speaker 3: Ritual multivitamins, including their best selling Prenatal, are scientifically developed
Speaker 3: to help support different life stages. Your multivitamins are delivered
Speaker 3: to your door every month with free shipping always. You
Speaker 3: can start snooze or cancel your subscription anytime, and if
Speaker 3: you don't love Ritual within your first month, they'll refund
Speaker 3: your first order. You deserve to know what's in your
Speaker 3: multi vitamin. That's why Ritual is offering my listeners ten
Speaker 3: percent off during your first three months. Visit ritual dot
Speaker 3: com slash murder to start your Ritual today. Now, we
Speaker 3: talked about the law closing in on Patrick and Crystal,
Speaker 3: and so there was other people that came forward and
Speaker 3: in their investigation and that was they spoke to somebody
Speaker 3: the ex husband of Crystal, and that's Chad Lee. What
Speaker 3: did Chad Lee have to say to officials and authorities
Speaker 3: about his wife?
Speaker 5: Chad, this is a really interesting dynamic because, as we said,
Speaker 5: he's or sees the ex husband, but he and Crystal
Speaker 5: and their children all live together. They raised the kids together,
Speaker 5: so he obviously has quite an interest, maybe more of
Speaker 5: an interest than the average ex husband would have in
Speaker 5: the ex wife. He knows that something's going on, and
Speaker 5: that's why he was more than happy to talk to
Speaker 5: the FBI. And he says, Crystal lied to me about
Speaker 5: what she was doing those two days, November twenty fourth
Speaker 5: and November twenty fifth. The FBI guys are very interested now.
Speaker 5: Crystal told him that she was going to a friend's
Speaker 5: house for a birthday part of those days, but then
Speaker 5: she changed her story and says she was going to
Speaker 5: another house, the home of Megan Garrison, another friend. Both
Speaker 5: of these women, all these women live in Idaho, Okay.
Speaker 5: And that's important because remember where the cell phone was.
Speaker 5: And then this is where Crystal borrows a car, and
Speaker 5: for some reason she needs another car. She can't use
Speaker 5: her She's always coming up with new stories. Chad says,
Speaker 5: she swore this was the truth. She told me that
Speaker 5: she was really in Colorado looking at a horse with Patrick.
Speaker 5: So again she said that she was with her friends,
Speaker 5: but now she says she was with Patrick looking at
Speaker 5: a horse, and they own this horse together. Chad says,
Speaker 5: so that part is believable. But Cristel also told him
Speaker 5: that somebody had set her up. And what she mean
Speaker 5: by that, She says, there's a whole new set of lies,
Speaker 5: you see that Crystal is telling, just like Patrick is
Speaker 5: telling all these lies. Cristel is telling all of these lies.
Speaker 5: But that really isn't that unusual for her? That, Chad says.
Speaker 5: And then we get into the.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 5: Then we get into her phone and the fact and
Speaker 5: whether she has a Verizon phone or a Samsung phone.
Speaker 5: There's all these different flags of suspicion that are being
Speaker 5: raised for the FBI.
Speaker 3: M M. Yeah, they realized that the same day the
Speaker 3: agent seized Patrick's phone, Crystal had used that phone while
Speaker 3: speaking to an FBI agent about case, about the case itself,
Speaker 3: So she was busted with that phone, and she purchased
Speaker 3: a new one on December fourth. So right at that
Speaker 3: odd timing, now you write that it is time to
Speaker 3: bring now that the authorities have much more information. They've
Speaker 3: spoke to Chad Lee and they've also spoke to Crystal,
Speaker 3: and they know what's true and what isn't. Basically, it
Speaker 3: was time to bring Crystal Lee in again. So how
Speaker 3: do things change this time in the interrogation or interview?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, now this time, you know, December twenty twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: They have a lot of evidence, but it's all circumstantial.
Speaker 5: They really cannot and they don't have a body. That's
Speaker 5: a really important part of the story. They do not
Speaker 5: have a body, which makes it even tougher to prosecute
Speaker 5: a homicide. Obviously, the FBI is ready to do a
Speaker 5: plea bargain. But to do a plea bargain, they have
Speaker 5: to get Crystal to admit to what happened. So they
Speaker 5: sit down with Crystal and her attorney, wondering, of course,
Speaker 5: how forthcoming.
Speaker 3: She will be.
Speaker 5: But this is where they really show Crystal that they
Speaker 5: under that they know she lied. This is where the
Speaker 5: FBI lays more cards on the table, and this is
Speaker 5: where they get her to talk and talk not only
Speaker 5: about what she did, but her history with Patrick and Kelsey.
Speaker 3: What does she tell I mean, They've they've hearing things
Speaker 3: from other witnesses as well. They have a Michelle Stein
Speaker 3: that has said some things. And as the investigation goes,
Speaker 3: they're hearing about what Patrick had said to Crystal about
Speaker 3: the potential murder of Kelsey. What does she Crystal tell
Speaker 3: the authorities about Patrick asking and requesting for her to
Speaker 3: kill and some of those details.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Patrick Patrick at least twice, probably three times, asked
Speaker 5: Crystal to kill Kelsey, according to Crystal. One time he
Speaker 5: told her to buy a cell phone that couldn't be
Speaker 5: traced back, called it a Burger phone. He explained how
Speaker 5: he could kill how she could kill Kelsey. One idea
Speaker 5: was to put poison in Kelsey's coffee. She loves Starbucks coffee,
Speaker 5: and so they figured as long as she had a coffee,
Speaker 5: and Patrick figured as long as she had coffee, she
Speaker 5: would drink it. Crystal couldn't do that. Then he gave
Speaker 5: her a pipe, a steel pipe to beat her to
Speaker 5: death with. And she actually went and sat across the
Speaker 5: street from Kelsey's a condo and watched Kelsey get out
Speaker 5: of her car and go into the condo. But Crystal
Speaker 5: just couldn't bring herself to go over there and beat
Speaker 5: Kelsey to death with a metal pipe. Then, so she
Speaker 5: brings the pipe back to Patrick. He gives her a
Speaker 5: baseball bat and says, do it with the baseball bat
Speaker 5: if that makes you feel better, And he says, after
Speaker 5: you use the bat, just dragged the body out to
Speaker 5: the dumpster or figures some other way to get rid
Speaker 5: of Well, Crystal didn't do that. Again. She goes to
Speaker 5: Kelsey's house and she's got the bat. She sits on
Speaker 5: the curb across the street from the front door, and
Speaker 5: all she can think about is how did I get
Speaker 5: into this mess? How did I get here? She goes
Speaker 5: back to Patrick explains that she couldn't do it, that
Speaker 5: she couldn't kill Kelsey, and he says, well, you must
Speaker 5: have a softer heart than I have for a businesssion
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What is he referring to in terms of what
Speaker 3: were the reasons for Patrick wanting to kill Kelsey? How
Speaker 3: did he justify the reasons for killing her?
Speaker 5: He said that Kelsey was abusing Kayley. Crystal told the
Speaker 5: FBI that he told her that Kelsey had actually hit
Speaker 5: Kayley with an iron, you know, a clothing iron. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And so he is saying that she's abusing the kid,
Speaker 5: and he has to get that kid out of there
Speaker 5: to save her from this abuse.
Speaker 3: Now part of this plea agreement if they're going to
Speaker 3: have a plea agreement, and they need her for this
Speaker 3: plea agreement because there is no body they need this
Speaker 3: kind of witness, and they know, they believe that they
Speaker 3: can get the information from her. And that's what this
Speaker 3: plea bargain is that the attorney has met with her
Speaker 3: and she has revealed certain information to that attorney. Now
Speaker 3: they want to know and they need to know details
Speaker 3: of the actual murder itself. And so she gives a
Speaker 3: graphic account of what actually happened, the actual murder to
Speaker 3: these police at that time, doesn't she?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because Patrick holds her what happened. No, Patrick wanted
Speaker 5: her to go clean up Chelsea's condo where she found
Speaker 5: all kinds of evidence. But yeah, she Patrick told her
Speaker 5: that what he did was to put a sweater around
Speaker 5: Kelsey's face and say that they were going to play
Speaker 5: a game, that he would light different scented candles and
Speaker 5: that then she would say what scented was or what
Speaker 5: candle it was. Kelsey. Again, this is a case of
Speaker 5: Chelsea thinking something's wrong here. That's kind of weird, but
Speaker 5: she doesn't say no to Patrick, because if there's anything
Speaker 5: that Kelsey has in common with Crystal, it's that she
Speaker 5: can't say no to Patrick. So Patrick puts a sweater
Speaker 5: around your face to blind your eyes, lights a candle,
Speaker 5: then steps back. Kelsey steps back, comes back in with
Speaker 5: a baseball bat and starts beating her to death with
Speaker 5: the baseball bat.
Speaker 3: When he was beating her with this baseball bat previous
Speaker 3: for her to find this information out, Crystal was a
Speaker 3: signed to go to the Kelsey's condo. She knew where
Speaker 3: it was, obviously she'd been outside go there with the
Speaker 3: complete outfit to clean up. She knew that she was
Speaker 3: going to clean up something like murder. She was a nurse.
Speaker 3: She knew from all the blood that was all over
Speaker 3: the place. But he had instructed her, because of the
Speaker 3: baseball bat beating, to look for something specifically that he
Speaker 3: may have lost. What was that and what did already
Speaker 3: SEEBI and FBI agents already have in their position?
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, he told her to find a tooth. He
Speaker 5: was afraid that one of the teeth that he had
Speaker 5: knocked out of Chelsey's head had fallen down in air
Speaker 5: vents and and Fristol did find it, as she says
Speaker 5: to the FBI, she found the tooth of root and all, so,
Speaker 5: I mean just he knocked it completely on of her head.
Speaker 5: The agents believed that because they had searched the house,
Speaker 5: Sheila's house where she and Patrick were living, and now Chayley,
Speaker 5: by the way, he is living there too, and they
Speaker 5: found an envelope with four teeth in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now with this plea agreement, it's amazing the restraint
Speaker 3: that these you know, the district attorney has, these authorities
Speaker 3: have when they're listening to this tale. They're asking her
Speaker 3: for again clarification that they are going to have a deal,
Speaker 3: and she is crying and she's emotional, but they are
Speaker 3: trying to find out how on earth and why on
Speaker 3: earth she didn't go to the authorities before all of this.
Speaker 3: How could she have lived with this? Don't they?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they do. They can't understand that. And Crystal composes
Speaker 5: herself and looks at them and says, but I left
Speaker 5: you clues, she shouted, as a matter of fact, as
Speaker 5: she stood up from her chair. I left blood on
Speaker 5: the toilet and on the rock face around the fireplace.
Speaker 5: Didn't you find it? I left you clues now.
Speaker 3: Also December twentieth, twenty eighteen, week go back to Joseph
Speaker 3: Palm and while Patrick is in is still in his
Speaker 3: desperate state, he contacts his good friend Joseph Paul Moore
Speaker 3: and maybe this is the time now for what he
Speaker 3: does say to Joseph Paul Moore, and then Joseph Paul
Speaker 3: Moore contemplating some of the bizarre conversations he's had since
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen regarding Kelsey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he to begin with, he starts babbling. They're driving together,
Speaker 5: about an hour and a half drive to see some horses,
Speaker 5: and Patrick says she might have gone up north to
Speaker 5: Pike to kill herself. And Joseph says, who what Pike?
Speaker 5: What are you talking about? Where did this come from?
Speaker 5: What do you think? I'm saying that she could have
Speaker 5: driven up to Pike or even Isabel National Forest and
Speaker 5: killed herself in the woods. You could die in the
Speaker 5: woods and they wouldn't find you for years, for hundreds
Speaker 5: of years, maybe a thousand years before they found you.
Speaker 5: And Joseph doesn't understand what he's talking about, but then
Speaker 5: he knows. He's been reading the paper. I mean, they've
Speaker 5: had reports on this the paper of the TV and
Speaker 5: Joseph says, the cops got a ping off her cell
Speaker 5: phone from a cell tower in Idaho. Why would Kelsey
Speaker 5: go to Idaho and then back to Colorado and go
Speaker 5: into the forest to commit suicide. Why didn't she just
Speaker 5: end it all in Idaho? And you know what was
Speaker 5: different there too? He mentioned he called her Kelsey. Now
Speaker 5: that was the first time. Back when Joseph and Patrick
Speaker 5: would talk about Kelsey, they never used her name. Patrick
Speaker 5: would only refer to her as Kaye's mother or Kaylee's mom,
Speaker 5: and so you know, Patrick is just And then Patrick
Speaker 5: looks at him and says, you know, her blood might
Speaker 5: be on me, Kaylee Joe's mother, I might have her
Speaker 5: blood on me. And Joseph said, okay, well, why wouldn't
Speaker 5: her blood be on you? Well, she had a nosebleed.
Speaker 5: She started spitting out and she had a nosebleed and
Speaker 5: got her blood on my pants and shirts and boots.
Speaker 5: Head to a nosebleed, right, And then he says, can
Speaker 5: the cops find blood in clothes after they've gone through
Speaker 5: the washer and dry And Joseph says, you know, the
Speaker 5: cops can find blood anywhere, and he was more than
Speaker 5: right about that than he knew, because that's exactly what
Speaker 5: they did with their new technology. He says to Patrick,
Speaker 5: with their new technology, cobs can even find blood where
Speaker 5: people can't see it, and you know that is exactly
Speaker 5: what happened. And Joseph said, I just hope we find
Speaker 5: Killy Joe's mom and that she's okay. There were silence.
Speaker 5: Patrick didn't say a word to that, but then he
Speaker 5: turns to Joseph and says, why is the FBI even
Speaker 5: on this case? Why the investigation? There's no body, how
Speaker 5: can there even be a crime, and why are they
Speaker 5: even after me? What do they think they're going to
Speaker 5: find a Couple of days later, he's still frantic. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's friended. He's totally paranoid, and he calls Joseph and says,
Speaker 5: do you think our phone calls are taped? Are we
Speaker 5: being recorded? And Joseph says, why would we be doing that?
Speaker 5: And then Patrick says, now this is a weird question.
Speaker 5: Is anything disrupted by the red Barn just says disrupted?
Speaker 5: What are you talking about? So you can see the conversation.
Speaker 5: He's getting so frantic, he's losing touch with reality.
Speaker 3: In a way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he also said a very important quote at
Speaker 3: the end too. Man, if I'd known it would have
Speaker 3: blown up this big, I never would have And he
Speaker 3: just didn't continue. He just that was the end of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Now December twenty first, we have Crystal is now going
Speaker 3: to show investigators how she and Patrick on the family
Speaker 3: ranch and Fluorescence's disposed of Kelsey's body. So now there
Speaker 3: is more information to find out on terms of the
Speaker 3: disposal of the bar of the body. So they take her.
Speaker 3: She's taken to the farm Patrick and well, Sheila's farm,
Speaker 3: the family farm. What does she show them there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she shows them exactly what they did. She shows
Speaker 5: them the spot where Patrick they had a black bag,
Speaker 5: a black tote bag that was holding Kelsey's body. And
Speaker 5: Crystal says that together she and Patrick picked that black
Speaker 5: toate bag up and took it over to a burntrop
Speaker 5: and she tells her top She says, I could feel
Speaker 5: the body in there. She knew there was a human
Speaker 5: body in that black coat bag and Patrick told her
Speaker 5: in the and she also knew that the baseball bat
Speaker 5: that he used to kill Kelsey was in that thing
Speaker 5: as well, the tot's about five feet long, weighs at
Speaker 5: least one hundred pounds. They set it on the ground,
Speaker 5: and then the six garbage bags of evidence that she
Speaker 5: took out of Kelsey's condo, the crystal took out of
Speaker 5: Kelsey's condo, they put that in the burn trop as well,
Speaker 5: and they liked the whole thing on fire. It's a
Speaker 5: galvanized steel tank about two feet wide and four feet long.
Speaker 5: They picked up wood from a pile of strap and
Speaker 5: they use that for kindling. They pour some gas. They
Speaker 5: have a few drops of gas in a gas can,
Speaker 5: and then they dump some motor oil on it and
Speaker 5: they like the thing up. Now here's the problem. It
Speaker 5: just explodes on them. The flames are way too high.
Speaker 5: The last thing they want, now this is all on
Speaker 5: Patrick's family wrench. Okay, this is the crazy family wrench.
Speaker 5: The last thing they want is for anyone to see
Speaker 5: flames and black smoke. You how motor oil burns. They
Speaker 5: don't want flames and black smoke to be seen from
Speaker 5: the road. Obviously, somebody's gonna think something's wrong on the
Speaker 5: ranch and they're gonna call the police or the fire
Speaker 5: earth At the very least they're gonna come over to investigate.
Speaker 5: So then Patrick and Crystal find some big pieces of
Speaker 5: corrugated metal kin, you know, the unite fat on top
Speaker 5: of a pole barn, and they use that to kind
Speaker 5: of tamp the fire down at least to keep the
Speaker 5: flames from shooting up in the flame and the smoke
Speaker 5: from shooting up.
Speaker 3: Yes. What's most disturbing, though, and it's right out of
Speaker 3: a horror scene, horror movie, is that Crystal looks around
Speaker 3: and realizes somebody as actually you just mentioned, you know,
Speaker 3: they're trying to evade anybody seeing what they're doing, but
Speaker 3: somebody does see who is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, Crystal looks behind her and she sees a woman.
Speaker 5: Somebody is looking at her, at the woman, and you're
Speaker 5: never going to believe who it is. It's Patrick's mother, Sheila.
Speaker 5: She's watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Credible, credible. You take us now to the agent's escort
Speaker 3: Crystal to Kelsey's condo, and there they have seventeen minutes
Speaker 3: of a graphic description of events there and as you write,
Speaker 3: by that time they've had enough. But there is one
Speaker 3: other thing where the body was kept, and we talk
Speaker 3: about that red barn again. What was said by Crystal
Speaker 3: and what was verified by Lucy and her doghand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually this time it was another dog radar And
Speaker 5: I'm a dog owner, so I want to get the
Speaker 5: names of the dogs correct here. But yeah, Patrick told
Speaker 5: Kelsey or a Crystal rounder, that he had stored the
Speaker 5: body in a red barn, on a red barn that
Speaker 5: he leases on a different piece of property. And this
Speaker 5: was quite a thing. Now, remember this tote bag is
Speaker 5: five feet long at weighs one hundred pounds. He put
Speaker 5: it over his shoulder, climbed up some ladders and put
Speaker 5: it on top of a bail of hay. And so
Speaker 5: she tells the CBI and the FBI that they get
Speaker 5: the canine dog radar out to look, and it was
Speaker 5: his handler said he had quite a problem following the
Speaker 5: dog because the dog scrambling up the ladder in the
Speaker 5: hayveil like nobody's business, and he had a tough time.
Speaker 5: But the dog had a hit right on top of
Speaker 5: that hayveil. So they knew that that the tote bag
Speaker 5: holding Kelsey must have been on top of that hay
Speaker 5: bill and that's where he stored it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now there is time for an arrest, and the
Speaker 3: prosecutors are able to convince the judge that Kelsey was
Speaker 3: indeed dead, even though they couldn't produce a body, and
Speaker 3: then Patrick's officially suspected a first degree murder and in
Speaker 3: another week he's charged with he would be charged with
Speaker 3: tampering with a deceased human being a human body. Now,
Speaker 3: just tell us a little bit about the arrest, and
Speaker 3: you say that there was no media there was that
Speaker 3: a surprise for Patrick.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Patrick clearly thought that because of the the attention
Speaker 5: that this in case it garnered in national story. He
Speaker 5: wasn't surprised when the police showed up and arrested him.
Speaker 5: He was surprised when he stepped on the front porch
Speaker 5: of his house and there was not a single reporter outside.
Speaker 5: He almost seems to be a little bit just a
Speaker 5: pointed that that there wasn't a crowd of reporters outside.
Speaker 3: Right now as well, this is unusual for this Teller County.
Speaker 3: You say, it's the first murder in the community since
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, so it's a big deal there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, You would think that the local paper would
Speaker 5: show up, but nobody has shown up. Actually, the reporters
Speaker 5: are all waiting for a press conference. A press conference
Speaker 5: will be held and they'll get the information there.
Speaker 3: Now, you say, you're right at this time that the
Speaker 3: biggest challenge for prosecutors is what what's the biggest challenge
Speaker 3: for the jury And for this trial itself.
Speaker 5: They don't have a body to present to the jury.
Speaker 5: That's the biggest problem. They really cannot at this point.
Speaker 5: They still can't prove that Kelsey is dead, and.
Speaker 3: As well, they also have to the hurdle because he's
Speaker 3: giving We haven't mentioned the details of this plea bargain,
Speaker 3: but her culpability in this is going to be open
Speaker 3: for criticism. So her credibility at this trial as the
Speaker 3: star witness is crucial, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Crystal is going to get off with three years.
Speaker 5: That's the plea deal. Now Patrick, we should say too
Speaker 5: that Patrick is looking at death. He could get the
Speaker 5: death penalty to make de fide not to go that way.
Speaker 5: They decided to go with wipe about parole. But Crystal
Speaker 5: is getting off with three years. So obviously, excuse me,
Speaker 5: Patrick's attorney, a public defender, is going to point that
Speaker 5: out to the jury and make the point and try
Speaker 5: to make the point that the only reason you're testifying
Speaker 5: is to get off with the three year penalty.
Speaker 3: Patrick meets with his attorneys and he's totally surprised that
Speaker 3: there is no wiggle room for him. They say, well, okay,
Speaker 3: the death penalty's off the table, but you're going to
Speaker 3: be looking at life without parole, so as you right,
Speaker 3: you're right. After that that, he decides to take the
Speaker 3: initiative and make sure his lawyers have more ammunition to
Speaker 3: win this case. What is his planned and who does
Speaker 3: he meet?
Speaker 5: He meets a fellow inmate at the Teller County Jail
Speaker 5: by the name of Jacob, and who has a excuse me,
Speaker 5: figures has gang connection or knows how to get it done.
Speaker 5: And he wants Jacob to kill the witnesses. He wants
Speaker 5: him to kill Cheryl, and he actually even wants him
Speaker 5: to kill Crystal. He wants him to kill anyone who
Speaker 5: might testify against him at that trial, right, And you
Speaker 5: know his attorneys also, I wanted to mention too. His
Speaker 5: attorneys told him that they were not going to present
Speaker 5: any witnesses in his defense, and Patrick says, well, what
Speaker 5: about character witnesses? And the attorney the attorney looks at him,
Speaker 5: and says, honestly, we have not been able to one
Speaker 5: person in Woodland Park. He doesn't believe that you're capable
Speaker 5: of murder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, incredible, And what does and how does he communicate?
Speaker 3: Like they have a conversation somehow in this prison and
Speaker 3: so he tells them, listen, you're my best shot. He
Speaker 3: believes that this gang member, because he is a gang members,
Speaker 3: is unlike the other guys in this little Teller County.
Speaker 3: He's not in a federal prison. So he has to
Speaker 3: look for people that he believes have the ability to
Speaker 3: do this kind of murderous conspiracy for him to take
Speaker 3: out all these people, and he's even offering them, well,
Speaker 3: whatever I can give you. He's also claimed to this
Speaker 3: Jacob Bentley person. When the guy asked him, did you
Speaker 3: smoke your wife? He says, no, no, I'm innocent. I
Speaker 3: didn't have anything to do with I don't know where
Speaker 3: she is. You have to help me. It's me and
Speaker 3: my daughter. So but how does he communicate with this
Speaker 3: Jacob Bentley which ends up being for two It is
Speaker 3: for the prosecution.
Speaker 5: He passes in notes. He's like a kid in school
Speaker 5: of passing notes. But the problem is he's written everything
Speaker 5: down on the notes. So it's all there, and I've
Speaker 5: seen pictures of these notes and it's all scribbles and stuff.
Speaker 5: And he definitely wrote out instructions to Jacob Bentley of
Speaker 5: how to do this. He not only gave him a
Speaker 5: list of the people to kill, he wrote down ideas
Speaker 5: on how to dispose of the bodies and how to
Speaker 5: take him out to the desert. Yeah. Now, and so Jacob,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry Jacob keeps all these notes. Not only has
Speaker 5: he experienced criminal, he's an experienced convict who knows what
Speaker 5: it takes to get off or to get a penalty,
Speaker 5: a flee deal of his own.
Speaker 3: Now you write that it takes about a year, almost
Speaker 3: a year for this trial to come to or for
Speaker 3: it to get to trial, and we're talking about November
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. And of course, as I mentioned, Crystal is
Speaker 3: the the star witness for this. And on the fourth
Speaker 3: day of trial she takes the stand. What does she
Speaker 3: say and how does she fare on the stand during
Speaker 3: this trial?
Speaker 5: And this is a rough appearance. And I remember, the
Speaker 5: only hope the defense has in this is to poke
Speaker 5: holes in the prosecution case. They have no witnesses, they
Speaker 5: have no character witnesses. All they can do is poke holes.
Speaker 5: And the prosecution's case pretty much is based on Crystal
Speaker 5: lead Kenny and her testimony. They don't have a hope, so,
Speaker 5: you know, and the defense attorney just puts it to
Speaker 5: her saying, the only reason you're doing this is to
Speaker 5: get off, isn't that right? And if you are so
Speaker 5: bothered by Kelsey's murder, then why didn't you call the police? Again,
Speaker 5: he's putting it to her, why didn't you call the police?
Speaker 5: It's a rough time on the stand for Kelsey or
Speaker 5: for Crystal rather.
Speaker 3: And they also have before this and during this trial,
Speaker 3: they've also shown the video of Crystal helping out authorities
Speaker 3: tell them how they burnt the body, disposed of the body,
Speaker 3: every graphic detail has already been shown to the jury.
Speaker 3: And then she goes up on that stand and has
Speaker 3: to repeat that and face cross examination.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well how does she fare on the stand during that
Speaker 3: kind of questioning? Relatively?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, she relatively she did enough to convince
Speaker 5: the jury that she was telling the truth that she thought,
Speaker 5: but she really this is where her morality really came
Speaker 5: into play, and questions of her morality and she had
Speaker 5: a tough time on that witness stand. She really did.
Speaker 3: Now, was you talk about Jacob contacting prosecution? Was this
Speaker 3: This wasn't as important to prosecution? But what did it
Speaker 3: help them in any way other than just adding to
Speaker 3: further charges other than the murder itself and charges related
Speaker 3: to the murder?
Speaker 5: Right? No, it really did not help them as to
Speaker 5: charges related to the murder because he didn't admit anything.
Speaker 5: But Jacob being the experience, earned it criminally. He was
Speaker 5: he says he knew that he could tell now that
Speaker 5: Patrick had killed Chelsea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was also contracted to kill the district
Speaker 3: Attorney Dan May, several members of the FBI and CBI.
Speaker 3: He was Crystal, Chad Lee, Michelle Stein, Joseph Moore, his partner,
Speaker 3: Wendy Clark, and along with Cheryl Barrath, so many people
Speaker 3: he wanted killed. And he believed and he was deluded,
Speaker 3: mind you, but he was he believe believe that there
Speaker 3: was the ability to do that. As his desperation grew
Speaker 3: and grew.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's a good word, desperation. That's what
Speaker 5: you see developing through this story all along, and just
Speaker 5: Patrick becomes more and more desperate.
Speaker 3: Now what happens with this trial itself. It was four
Speaker 3: hours of deliberation, and that worries the defense attorneys. They
Speaker 3: didn't call any witnesses whatsoever. They made their summations. It
Speaker 3: was a you know, a fiery tirerade I guess or
Speaker 3: summation to the jury. However, four hours deliberation means usually
Speaker 3: not it doesn't fare too well for the for the defendant,
Speaker 3: does it.
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't, And in this case that's the truth.
Speaker 5: Six men and six women. They left after less than
Speaker 5: four hours of deliberations, and that includes a break for lunch.
Speaker 5: So it was way less, probably three hours of deliberations
Speaker 5: and the jury back. The excitement was palpable. I mean,
Speaker 5: this is the biggest case Teller County has had him
Speaker 5: like forever probably and so Patrick is very emotional through
Speaker 5: this trial. Through the days of this trial, he was
Speaker 5: very unemotional. He really fixed his gaze on the witnesses,
Speaker 5: on the jury. I mean, he tried to use this
Speaker 5: resputant s Bengali kind of attitude that he had, his
Speaker 5: ability to get people to do what he wanted. He
Speaker 5: tried to use that that psychology on the witnesses and
Speaker 5: for the prosecution and on the jury itself. And here
Speaker 5: now when the jury comes back and he's told to
Speaker 5: stand for the reading of the verdict, he almost loses it.
Speaker 5: He almost starts crying, but then he just pulls himself
Speaker 5: together and gets control of himself again. The tension in
Speaker 5: the room is just incredible because remember they don't have
Speaker 5: a body. There's nothing guaranteed here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thus Jesus is an opportunity to stop a second
Speaker 3: for these messages.
Speaker 6: Hello, it is Ryan, and we could all use an
Speaker 6: extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we just to
Speaker 6: make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes,
Speaker 6: counting or steps, you know, all the mundane stuff. That
Speaker 6: is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino.
Speaker 6: Chumbuck Casino has all your favorite social casino style games
Speaker 6: that you can play for free anytime anywhere with daily bonuses.
Speaker 6: That's you brighten your day loone actually a lot, so
Speaker 6: sign up now at Chumbuck Casino dot com. That's Chumbuck
Speaker 6: Casino dot com.
Speaker 5: Nob necessarily Dalyoid where everybody lost in terms conditions eating plus.
Speaker 3: Now you talked about his stoic attitude towards this sentencing,
Speaker 3: not wanting to show people that this bothered him. He
Speaker 3: is going to be sent to Colorado, Colorado prison. His
Speaker 3: appeals of course we'll go through. But what about Kaylee?
Speaker 3: Where did Kaylee go? Who has custody of Kaylee? Tell
Speaker 3: us about that.
Speaker 5: Cheryl has custody of Cayley. If there's a you know,
Speaker 5: one of Cheryl's big concerns was that Patrick's family would
Speaker 5: get Kaylee. She did not want that to happen. The
Speaker 5: prosecution did not want that to happen either, So Cayley
Speaker 5: went to Cheryl, and Cheryl will raise Kaylee.
Speaker 3: M and you say, the worst one of the worst
Speaker 3: things about this will be that someday she'll realize that
Speaker 3: her father killed her mother and that she was present
Speaker 3: for that murder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Cheryl said. She said that, you know,
Speaker 5: the child is years away from understanding what's happened to
Speaker 5: her mother now, but some day she will have to explain,
Speaker 5: excuse me, what happened. She says, Uh, Kylee will eventually.
Speaker 5: And the thing is too we didn't mention this, but
Speaker 5: when Kelsey was beaten to death with that baseball bat
Speaker 5: in her condo, Kayley, little Kayley one year old Kayley
Speaker 5: was in the next room, and then Patrick took her
Speaker 5: and drove her to his ranch. So and Cheryl says,
Speaker 5: some day she's going to have to know, she will
Speaker 5: realize that she was in the next room. Well, her
Speaker 5: mother was beaten to death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the judge admonished for his crime said, you
Speaker 3: burned you know, Kelsey's body like trash. But also you
Speaker 3: mentioned Prosecutor Danny May said, we did a deal with
Speaker 3: the devil, and I'm not proud of that, but he
Speaker 3: wouldn't have had justice without it.
Speaker 5: You're right, You're right. I think that's the way it
Speaker 5: is is. You know, plea bargains are never nice things
Speaker 5: and no one's ever happy with them. But in this deal,
Speaker 5: in this case, rather Kelsey would would not have had justice.
Speaker 5: You're right, Cheryl and her family would not have had justice.
Speaker 5: As Dan May put it, we did a deal with
Speaker 5: the devil, and I'm not proud of that. But Kelsey
Speaker 5: would not have had justice today without making that deal
Speaker 5: with the devil.
Speaker 3: And you know, the for their to their credit that
Speaker 3: the defense did negotiate a very good deal for because
Speaker 3: I think knowing all these details, as anyone that's listened
Speaker 3: and anyone especially that reads this will know the culpability
Speaker 3: of her. She could have walked away many many times.
Speaker 3: Seems quite convenient that her responses and her sobbing and
Speaker 3: all that, it doesn't seem as genuine when you realize
Speaker 3: all of the things that she was privy to and
Speaker 3: didn't do a damn thing. And her only excuse can
Speaker 3: be that I couldn't say no to Patrick, which is
Speaker 3: pretty weak. Now in that vein, she was sentenced to
Speaker 3: three years in custody, and you say, likely won't even
Speaker 3: do that. But after sixty days, what did she remarkably
Speaker 3: incredibly attempt to do. Well?
Speaker 5: She was moved to a half wayhouse sixty days after
Speaker 5: she got good in jail. Back then, she tried to
Speaker 5: get out early because of the COVID nineteen outbreak. You know,
Speaker 5: she said, being held in close confines of a prison cell,
Speaker 5: the COVID nineteen is more transmissible that way. And remember
Speaker 5: she's a nurse, so she said, being a nurse, hey,
Speaker 5: I should be one of the frontline workers here. I
Speaker 5: should get out of prison so that I could help
Speaker 5: these people. But you know, you said a lot about
Speaker 5: Crystal there, Dan, You know, she could have dropped a
Speaker 5: dime at any time. She was so involved with her,
Speaker 5: she could have dropped a dime at any time. And
Speaker 5: the thing is that really gets me about this story
Speaker 5: is Chlsea did not have to die. And I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about just from November twenty second on. I'm saying
Speaker 5: that those three times that Patrick wanted Crystal or yeah,
Speaker 5: Crystal to kill Kelsey, if she had dropped the dime
Speaker 5: back then, none of this would have happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Joseph Moore actually, by the time he calls police,
Speaker 3: he has heard some bizarre things that should have well
Speaker 3: more than raised flags. The kind of statements that Patrick
Speaker 3: said regarding his child and his wife. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: not that you would know, but there certainly were certain
Speaker 3: things that most people are definitely most people would not say.
Speaker 3: So there were warning flags for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly exactly. Now, let's not forget about Sheila. I mean,
Speaker 5: let's not forget about Sheila exactly. His mother watches the
Speaker 5: burning and she knew what it was too. I'm convinced
Speaker 5: that she knew exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: What we didn't mention was again a bizarre, very vivid
Speaker 3: scene in here is when investigators were looking into this
Speaker 3: and possibly anyone else's role. They investigated a Facebook post
Speaker 3: with a Wizard of Oz theme. What was it about
Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz that interested investigators.
Speaker 5: Because Sheila posted yay yay, the Witch is dead and
Speaker 5: it was posted on November twenty fifth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was there any I mean, you don't write about
Speaker 3: any talk about any action towards Sheila for what she
Speaker 3: may have known. I mean after Cristal said that she
Speaker 3: did see Sheila witnessing right, No.
Speaker 5: I didn't find anything related Sheila at all. I mean
Speaker 5: I went through all the search warrants, all the information
Speaker 5: that's in the search warrants, every single one of them,
Speaker 5: and there was never any mention of Sheila being culpable
Speaker 5: in this. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Incredible, And you write about too as well as that.
Speaker 3: When Crystal was applying to go to a halfway house
Speaker 3: Kelly of a woman named Kelly Shofstyle launched a change
Speaker 3: dot org petition drive to support the block of Kelly's
Speaker 3: transfer a part me Crystal's transfer. Forty five people signed
Speaker 3: initially in forty eight hours. You write, by the end
Speaker 3: was eighty seven hundred people in the four days objected
Speaker 3: to Crystal Lee Kenny getting out earlier, and then she
Speaker 3: will already be eligible for to get out. What is
Speaker 3: when is she eligible for placement in the halfway house again?
Speaker 5: By the end of twenty twenty, So obviously that could
Speaker 5: have happened now and I don't I honestly don't know
Speaker 5: where she is now.
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't mean she did get parole, but she
Speaker 3: does have that ability to go to a halfway house,
Speaker 3: only that potentiality by the end of twenty twenty. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so she who knows, right, But public pressure always helps
Speaker 3: in this regard, doesn't it when people?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, and the thing is, Cheryl, the
Speaker 5: way that Cheryl I've written so many books where the
Speaker 5: mother is in this kind of a situation and just
Speaker 5: keeps pushing and pushing the police. And the response to
Speaker 5: the police I think in this story was from then
Speaker 5: just as well Dan May and the prosecutors of the
Speaker 5: district orney, and what they did in the story I
Speaker 5: think is laudable as well. And they were right there
Speaker 5: too when they argued to keep Crystal in custody and
Speaker 5: not to let her out. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's uh, it's amazing as well,
Speaker 3: because you you really have you really have this, Uh,
Speaker 3: the potential between these two people for further mayhem was
Speaker 3: you know, you know, it's interesting that they are almost
Speaker 3: acted like a partnership, Crystal and Patrick and him being
Speaker 3: sociopathic easily to be determined, and yet when there was
Speaker 3: a deal to be made, I thought a lot of
Speaker 3: her excuses were very convenient. We easily could have been
Speaker 3: doing a profile on two psychopathic serial killers if we
Speaker 3: were to take some of their own rational rationalizing for
Speaker 3: the murders itself, for the murder itself, if we took
Speaker 3: that out of the equation.
Speaker 5: I think you're right. I think either of these people.
Speaker 5: I think both of these people, Patrick and Crystal. I
Speaker 5: think they both have those tendencies. They just can't appreciate
Speaker 5: the pain that others feel, which I think is kind
Speaker 5: of the foundation of a sociopath, where you just can't
Speaker 5: They can't empathize with that kind of pain. They just
Speaker 5: don't get it. They don't see anybody except themselves in
Speaker 5: what they want. Even Jacob Bentley thought that Patrick was nuts,
Speaker 5: to tell you the truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very interesting for somebody again, you know, Patrick
Speaker 3: totally misjudge this character and thinking that because he had
Speaker 3: gang affiliations that he would go along with this again.
Speaker 3: At the same time, he wasn't facing anything very very serious,
Speaker 3: but it looked like he wanted to put this as
Speaker 3: a little assurance or insurance for himself down the road
Speaker 3: as a criminal.
Speaker 5: He thought he was facing a fellowe quite honestly. But
Speaker 5: then when he talked to was attorney, they found out
Speaker 5: did charge had all been dropped to your this demeanor,
Speaker 5: but he had turned in the evidence already, so it's like, okay,
Speaker 5: Carlo Locke, here we go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been a fascinating interview. Thank you so much,
Speaker 3: Rod for talking about the murder of Kelsey Bareth, a
Speaker 3: shocking true crime story. For those that might want to
Speaker 3: find out more about this story, do you have a
Speaker 3: website as there an Amazon page you might want to
Speaker 3: look at.
Speaker 5: Rodcacklei dot com k A c K L E y
Speaker 5: Rodcackley dot com. That's the best place to go.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you so much, Rod, It's been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3: You have a great evening. Talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3: Good night, Save to.
Speaker 5: You darn Thanks a lot.
Speaker 3: Good night,