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Noe's necessarily, We're promitted by eighteen plus turns 17 00:00:58.840 --> 00:00:59.439 and condition to blue. 18 00:00:59.479 --> 00:00:59.840 What's Everty? 19 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:11.000 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 20 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.120 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 21 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:21.480 written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker DTK. Every 22 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.200 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 23 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.480 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 24 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:45.040 host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening, A successful 25 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:50.480 young mother, Kelsey Beareth, vanishes on Thanksgiving Day twenty eighteen. 26 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:53.959 The FBI is afraid they'll have to do a deal 27 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:57.640 with the devil to find her. Kelsey, a pilot's so 28 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.680 good she taught the military how to fly, goes shopping 29 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:06.040 at a Safeway store, and simply disappears. Her fiance, Patrick Frazzi, 30 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.159 says he doesn't have a clue. In fact, he says 31 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.639 they broke up just a few days before. He's as 32 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:17.599 mystified as everyone else. But Kelsey's mother, Cheryl, is afraid 33 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:21.319 she knows what happened to her daughter. A task force 34 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.159 of FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation agents believe 35 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.439 they also know what happened to Kelsey. They have cell 36 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:33.360 phone records and more, including surveillance video and DNA, but 37 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.280 they have run into a roadblock. The agents have to 38 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.800 get someone close to the killer to flip and turn 39 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.120 state's evidence. Are they going to have to do a 40 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.439 deal with the devil to find justice for Kelsey Beareth? 41 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.400 The murder of Kelsey Beareth a shocking true crime story 42 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.280 is a riveting story of a young woman's disappearance, her 43 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.159 family's will to find out what happened, in a twenty 44 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:59.879 first century police investigation that nearly cracks the case. Why 45 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.919 open nearly? Will the FBI do a deal with the 46 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.400 devil to solve this crime? The book that we're featuring 47 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.639 this evening is The Murder of Kelsey Beareth, a shocking 48 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.919 true crime story with my special guest, journalist and author 49 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.599 Rod Cackley. Welcome to the program, and thank you very 50 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:18.560 much for this interview. 51 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:29.199 Rod Cackley, Hi, Dan, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 52 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.280 Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on and 53 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.319 talking about your latest The Murder of Kelsey Bareth. Let's 54 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:39.400 start right away. I won't ask you why you decided 55 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.840 to write this book because it's just obvious. This is 56 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:46.120 such a compelling and incredible story that had a lot 57 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.240 of media attention. Let's talk about how you open this book. 58 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:56.159 This is November twenty second, twenty eighteen, and we taught 59 00:03:56.199 --> 00:04:00.919 we introduced Patrick Frazzi, if that's the pronunciation of his name. 60 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.560 But there's a Thanksgiving dinner November twenty second that they planned. 61 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:09.759 Tell us who all attends this dinner and just tell 62 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.159 us a little bit about Patrick and his relationship with 63 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.279 his mother. Tell us a little bit about the characters, Sean, 64 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.240 his family, Sheila. Tell us a little bit about these 65 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.519 characters that are assembling for November twenty second, twenty eighteen. 66 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.199 Sure, Dan, glad to do it. We've got Sean Prosey 67 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.800 or Prazy. I've always pronounced it crazy, but I don't 68 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.319 know for sure, but Sean Frazy. His mother, Sheila, and 69 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.720 Sean's wife are going to be in a Thanksgiving Day dinner. 70 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:41.720 They're waiting for Patrick. Patrick and his mother, Sheila. They 71 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.720 live together on a ranch. It's quite a nice ranch. 72 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.160 They have horses. They are horse ranchers. Basically, Sean is married, 73 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.639 he has a wife, kids, and he lives where he 74 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.959 works in Colorado Springs. He's a Colorado Springs police officer. Patrick, 75 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.360 on the other hand, is single, but he's hooked up 76 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:04.079 with his and Kelsey Barraf we met online. Sheila lives 77 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:09.199 alone with Patrick. Sheila's husband, Patrick and Shawn's father died 78 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.439 in August, just a few months before this dinner. And 79 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.199 as we look at the dinner, they are waiting for 80 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.360 Patrick to show up. The dinner was supposed to begin 81 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.920 at about three point thirty and Patrick's not there yet. 82 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:23.600 It's already four o'clock. 83 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:30.000 Right now, so they decide to carry on with dinner. 84 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:34.279 And during the dinner, Patrick calls again again. He lives 85 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.519 with his mother and he's expected to be there, so 86 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.279 people are surprised that he is not there. And also 87 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.759 he's supposed to show up with his fiance and his 88 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:45.279 daughter's one year old daughter, Kaylee. So tell us about 89 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.959 the phone call during dinner, what does he say? 90 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.519 The family without Patrick, Kayley and Kelsey, they sat down 91 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.959 to have dinner. Thirty minutes after they sat down, the 92 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.439 homes Landline rings Patrick. He promised to join them, but 93 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.120 he says, I will be late now. Sean's eyes roll. 94 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.600 Sean is a family man, he's a police officer. He 95 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:14.000 thinks Patrick's behavior is just outlandish. This is Thanksgiving Day dinner, 96 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:18.240 after all. Sean says he's already late. After Sheila, his mother, 97 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.319 tells him that Patrick will be there, but he'll be late. 98 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.639 He's already late, says Sean, saying he'll be here as 99 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.720 soon as possible. Sheila says, and he's bringing little Kayley, 100 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:32.000 the one year old daughter. What about Kelsey, asks Sean's wife. 101 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.240 Sheila looked her way and with a slight mod smile, 102 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.319 rolls her eyes and says, no, Kelsey won't be here. 103 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:43.839 Now. You talked about a little bit about the relationship 104 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:48.240 with Sean and Patrick, and you right that they had 105 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:53.600 been slightly estranged for many years and had gone different paths. Completely. 106 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.800 Tell us a little bit about the relationship between Sheila 107 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:05.079 and Kelsey, and also what Kelsey's mother felt about Patrick. 108 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:11.040 Yeah, Patrick, Well, to begin with, let's talk about Kelsey's 109 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:16.399 mother and Patrick. They don't get along. She can't understand. 110 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.439 She doesn't think that Patrick is treating Kelsey right, can't 111 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.639 understand why they don't have a place together. They live separately. 112 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.480 Even though they're engaged, they live and they live separately. 113 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:31.319 Shell his mother or her mother, Kelsey's mother thinks they 114 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.839 should be living together. The relationship between Kelsey and Sheila, 115 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.040 Patrick's mother is worse, much worse. The first time they meet, 116 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.959 Sheila calls Kelsey a prostitute. Then she calls her a hooker. 117 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.160 This is bad right now. They were able to work 118 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:53.120 this out a little bit, but they have a bad relationship. 119 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.800 Kelsey wants to be part of the family. She can't 120 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.000 understand why she was treating her like this, but Sheila 121 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.000 just does not want her in her house. She does 122 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:04.560 not want her with her son Patrick. 123 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:12.319 Now, regardless of the family animosity there, and Kelsey still 124 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:14.720 wants to make this work and believes that this is 125 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.120 the man that's going to be in a relationship. They 126 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.519 have a child together, and in fact, on November twentieth, 127 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:25.360 a couple of days before Thanksgiving, Kelsey sends a text 128 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.959 to her boss at Joss Aviation. What exactly does he 129 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.679 What's the gist of the message to her boss. 130 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:38.799 Basically, she basically on November twentieth, two days before Thanksgiving, 131 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:41.639 she tells her boss that she couldn't be happier and 132 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.399 she's very happy, in fact, because Patrick has agreed to 133 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.679 go to the company Christmas party with her, something she 134 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:50.159 wasn't expecting. 135 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.000 Right so that it's for all accounts, And she tells 136 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:58.960 her friends as well, whether they believe it or not, 137 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.519 that this is she's in love and that she feels 138 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:09.000 very confident about this relationship. Right now. You introduced another character, 139 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.960 and her name is Crystal Lee Kenny, and she's a 140 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:17.320 nurse from Idaho. Now she has also had a relationship 141 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.720 before Kelsey became came into the picture. And tell us 142 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.000 about this relationship she has with Patrick. 143 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.200 Yeah, and tell Crystal and Patrick go back a long 144 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.919 way for pretty much a decade. Crystal met Patrick and 145 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.799 started playing around with him. Well she was married. Patrick 146 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.759 got Krystel pregnant, told her to get an abortion, which 147 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.559 she did. Then he told her to get a divorce, 148 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.759 which she did. All with the promise, sometimes explicit and 149 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.080 sometimes implied that they would get married and have a 150 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.080 life together. They never got married, they never had a 151 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.000 life together. They split up, They didn't talk to each 152 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.840 other for a couple of years, but still bumped into 153 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.679 Patrick and it all started over again. Even though by 154 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.159 the way they got divorced. She a Crystal and her 155 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.960 husband Chad. Even though they got divorced, they still live 156 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.519 together and raise their kids together, which presents another interesting 157 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:15.720 dynamic in this story. 158 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.679 And the thing is too, is that he had asked 159 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.279 her to get divorced and they hooked up again. But 160 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.559 then he told her, listen, I have a meta woman. 161 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:29.519 I'm now going to be I'm engaged to be married, 162 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.080 and I have a child. And this is all from 163 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:33.960 the woman that he has to be divorced, asked her 164 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.679 to get a divorce, a bored a child, change her life. 165 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.320 Just to show just a state of mind that for 166 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.720 of Crystal Lee Kenny to some degree. Now, let's talk 167 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:47.120 about it. 168 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.600 Go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say. The thing is, 169 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.960 she knows it shouldn't be this way. She knows this 170 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.200 is a bad relationship that she just can't say no to. 171 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:01.600 Patrick m let's talk about at the same time. It's 172 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:07.639 this November twenty second Thanksgiving dinner a neighbor of Kelsey, 173 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:12.240 and this is across the street in the same neighborhoods 174 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:19.000 as Kelsey's condo. And this is Leslie Jackson, and she 175 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:22.320 has had a situation where she believes that she needs 176 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.720 surveillance camera, so she has a sophisticated three camera surveillance 177 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.759 set up. But one of the cameras is focused on 178 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:32.879 her neighbor's door, which happens to be Kelsey's condo. Now 179 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:38.639 on Leslie's at her mother's house on Thanksgiving, but the 180 00:11:38.759 --> 00:11:43.120 phone has the app connected to this surveillance. So tell 181 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.399 us a little bit about what Leslie Jackson just notices 182 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:49.559 while she's at Thanksgiving dinner with her mother. 183 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.600 The phone is on the side and it starts buzzing 184 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.399 coming indicating that there's activity on the camera and it's 185 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.120 taking pictures. What's happening. As you said, one of the 186 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:07.039 cameras is focused on Kelsey's front door, and so Lethie 187 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.159 knows something's going on at the neighbor's house or at 188 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.039 her house. But then when she checks the film, she 189 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.720 finds out it's the pictures are all firm Kelsey's front door. 190 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:20.559 That's where the action's happening. It's Thanksgiving Day, so she 191 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.000 doesn't really look at it too much and doesn't get 192 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.960 too concerned about it because it is Thanksgiving Day and 193 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.360 she doesn't want to interrupt dinner with her mother, but 194 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:32.440 she can tell that something's going on at Kelsey's s 195 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.000 front door at her turn door. 196 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.360 Now, this is November twenty fifth, three days after November 197 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:46.159 twenty second, and Kelsey's mother, Cheryl, and her brother Clint. 198 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:51.200 Kelsey's brother Clint had sent texts but hadn't heard and 199 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:55.000 then called but hadn't heard from Kelsey since November twenty 200 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.039 second from Thanksgiving from a text that they had received 201 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:02.000 at that time, and I well, Cheryl had spoken to 202 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:07.799 her daughter earlier, and they'd spoken about making cinnamon buns 203 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:15.240 and talking about Thanksgiving itself. So November twenty fifth. Now 204 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:20.440 it's December first, and mom Cheryl has not and Clint 205 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.919 have not heard from her. So what's the conversation December 206 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.240 first with Cheryl and Clint and what do they decide 207 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:27.399 to do? 208 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.879 Well, Cheryl and Clint are very close with Kelsey. This 209 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.200 is a very tight knit family. But they know they 210 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.360 have the fealing something's wrong. But then again, see, remember 211 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.960 Kelsey is a pilot. We haven't really touched down there, 212 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.679 but she's a pilot, so she often flies and is 213 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.519 often gone from her turndal for days at a time, 214 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:53.080 so they have to so they don't automatically assume something's wrong. 215 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:59.399 But still they are concerned. So Cheryl reaches out to Clint. Clint, 216 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:04.159 from his home near Tacoma, Washington, goes to Cheryl's place 217 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.799 in northern Idaho. Together, they fly to Colorado and then 218 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.279 drive a rental car to Woodland Park to her contra 219 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:17.279 Kelsey's condo to see for themselves what's going on? Now? 220 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.200 What do they notice right away? Some of the things 221 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:25.600 that they notice right away unusual for her, So tell 222 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.759 us all the things that they notice, just obvious things 223 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.039 that they can deduce from going into that condo and 224 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:33.240 taking a look around. 225 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:35.519 Yeah, they have the key. So they go into this 226 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.320 two bedroom, one bath condo and the first thing they 227 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:42.559 noticed right away is the thermostatus set of seventy two degrees. 228 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:47.759 Cheryl and the brother Clint, they wonder, now, why would 229 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.519 anyone set their thermostad at seventy two if they knew 230 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.279 they were going to be gone for a few days. 231 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:57.440 Then they look into the kitchen and they find out 232 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.399 they find rather a plate of cinnamon roles. Remember, as 233 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.720 you said, Cheryl and Kelsey had talked about Chelsea making 234 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.919 a plate of cinnamon rolls to take over to Sheila 235 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.279 and Patrick's house for Thanksgiving Day. The plate of cinnamon 236 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.279 rolls is sitting on the counter in the kitchen. No, 237 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.480 it's not covered, nobody. Why would Kelsea do that if 238 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.080 she was leaving for a few days and the cinnamon 239 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.039 rolls are rock hard. They've been sitting there obviously since 240 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.799 the morning of Thanksgiving Day when they were made. You 241 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.159 could hammer nails of these things, Cheryl thought, and Clint said, 242 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.639 they must have been left out for days. You know 243 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.399 that she was making them Thanksgiving morning. Then they go 244 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.919 into they look at the floors, the chen. It's perfectly clean. 245 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.639 This place is spotless. What young mother, a working mother 246 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.480 with a one year old girl, is going to have 247 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:52.399 a spotless home. It's obviously they had an intense cleaning 248 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:57.240 in that condo sometime between Thanksgiving Day and the day 249 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.879 December first that they're there. It's just not like her 250 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.639 at all. But at the same time, there are piles 251 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.960 of dirty clothes everywhere, So there's this real paradox of 252 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.960 what they're finding. They opened a closet door in the 253 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.440 hallway and they find Kelsey's luggage. Why would she be 254 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.039 gone for a few days a week and then leave 255 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.960 her luggage in the closet. They go into the bathroom, 256 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.159 they find her toothbrushes. There, they find her makeup kit. 257 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.840 Is there all of these signs they're showing you that, 258 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.960 or showing them rather that if Kelsey left, she certainly 259 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.559 didn't plan to leave and didn't plan to be going 260 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:34.399 for a long time. 261 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.799 Now you say that Cheryl doesn't like and doesn't get 262 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:43.360 along with Patrick, but she thinks her next move certainly 263 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.960 should be to call Patrick and see what he knows 264 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.799 and talk to him, so she certainly gets him on 265 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.960 the phoney answers. Tell us about this quite odd conversation. 266 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.159 It was a very odd conversation because Cheryl thinks that 267 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:02.600 if nothing Elseatrick at least must know where Kelsey is. 268 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.720 He doesn't have a clue. As a matter of fact, 269 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.799 he says, Cheryl, I would not know because we broke up. 270 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.079 And Cheryl says, no, wait a minute, she told me 271 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.319 you were going to get married. She was very happy. 272 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.440 I talked to her in the morning of Thanksgiving Day 273 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.160 and she gave me no clue, and she actually said 274 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:21.880 that you were going to go to the Christmas party, 275 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.200 the company Christmas party. And Patrick says, no, I haven't 276 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.240 seen her for a couple of weeks, and I haven't 277 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.200 talked to her for a couple of weeks. I have 278 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:32.440 no idea where she is. 279 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:39.160 Yeah, and so, but she can't believe his response, but 280 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.359 she says things like, come on, Patrick, you haven't seen 281 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.200 her in two weeks, and neither have I or anyone else. 282 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:50.000 All right, but he still she implores him to help 283 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:53.119 her in searching for this woman that he said he 284 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:57.079 loved just and everyone thought they were ready to be married. 285 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.160 Right. 286 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.720 What does he say, no, sponsor that? Yeah? 287 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.640 Yeah, Cheryl says, can't you at least reach out and 288 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.200 call her, call her and find out where she is, 289 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.720 call her and find out if anything's wrong. And Patrick says, 290 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.200 I don't think she's gonna want to talk to me. 291 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.119 And Cheryl says, please just call Chelsea, the woman you 292 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.720 you know, the mother of your child. Can't you call her? 293 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.400 He goes, Okay, okay, I'll call her, but I'm going 294 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.000 to take care of my talles first. 295 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:25.519 Yeah, sure, m hm. 296 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:29.240 Now it was time to call the police, as far 297 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:29.920 as Cheryl. 298 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:35.920 The absolutely, So she calls h Woodland Park Police and 299 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:41.319 she talks to a corporal Dina Curran. So what does 300 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:43.240 Dina Kerran do in response to this? 301 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.960 Well, remember too, when they were in the condo, we 302 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.640 should mention if they found blood in the bathroom, stocks 303 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.759 in the bathroom, and so now it's definitely time to 304 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:59.039 call the police, uh Kurran. 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So again that's kind of a red 381 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:06.039 flag to him. 382 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:11.559 And Cheryl had received texts and again she didn't believe 383 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.279 that it sounded like her daughter at all. 384 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.400 Did she write again again, there are we all have 385 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.119 the way that we text, and it's almost like a 386 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:26.319 fingerprint in a way. Uh, the Kelsey's texts suddenly I'm changed. 387 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:31.559 Cheryl's noticing things that are wrong with the text. She 388 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.920 received a text, for instance, from Kelsey's phone which read 389 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.519 I'm tied up. I'll call you later. But Kelsey never 390 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.279 once told me that Patrick, and never once told her 391 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:45.559 rather that she and Patrick were having fights or problems. 392 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.839 Mm hmm. Now, the Woodland Park police had been inside 393 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.839 Kelsey's condo in it presented some problems because they never 394 00:23:55.960 --> 00:24:01.160 really found anything very enough. There wasn't enough aside from 395 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.079 the small drops of blood on the toilet, you say, 396 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.000 but there was no forced entry or sign of struggle. 397 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:10.000 But they did research the place, and you say that 398 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.400 they left with an iPad, a notebook with passwords, and 399 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:18.640 a Safeway receipt purchased November twenty second. But you say 400 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.599 that you write that there. 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