Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a mad Welcome to
Speaker 1: it Monday morning Scott's Slung show back on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w ALW and we just jumped right into because we
Speaker 1: got so much happening on today's show. It's unbelievable. Connie
Speaker 1: Pillach prosecutor later on in the big mac Bridge fire
Speaker 1: case and that is a crazy story. We got console
Speaker 1: member Anna Albe. Another shooting last night, blew up the
Speaker 1: Bay Horse Cafe, shut the windows out there and a
Speaker 1: drive by not good. And of course we pick up
Speaker 1: Orio left off on Friday, and that would have been
Speaker 1: with the new stadium deal. Today, by the way, would
Speaker 1: have been the deadline to extend the current contract. It
Speaker 1: would have expired. But Hamlin County Commissioners approved a new
Speaker 1: Bengals lease just to refresh team stays here through at
Speaker 1: least twenty thirty six, four hundred and seventy million in improvements.
Speaker 1: That's about sixty percent what was in the original memorandum.
Speaker 1: But I guess we're waiting for state money. Maybe down
Speaker 1: the line we'll get into that. Another three fifty from
Speaker 1: the county, sixty million from the NFL with a loan
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. Another sixty million from the team, no
Speaker 1: new taxes. Bottom line is we the taxpayers the county
Speaker 1: hamble and pay about seventy five percent. There's about twenty
Speaker 1: five percent from the team. Uh in just to compare
Speaker 1: seventy five percent versus the ninety four or it was,
Speaker 1: I would say it is moving definitely in the right direction.
Speaker 1: On that is Hamlin County Commissioner Alisha Rees, who's been
Speaker 1: like in a communication blackout. She's on the dot, was
Speaker 1: on the backside of the moon. She couldn't talk to us.
Speaker 1: She was locked down, probably killing her because the girl
Speaker 1: loves to talk. I don't know if you know that
Speaker 1: about Alicia. She can talk. Alicia, welcome back, how are you.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's good to be beck go. But I wasn't
Speaker 2: on a blackout. I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was working.
Speaker 1: I know you're working, but you did still the deal
Speaker 1: up to talk like an idiot, Like well, I talked
Speaker 1: to slam School.
Speaker 4: The deal up.
Speaker 1: He's an idiot. Why am I doing this?
Speaker 2: I get yeah, we're waiting, Yeah, we're waiting to see
Speaker 2: you know. So I got some good news and then
Speaker 2: I got some bad.
Speaker 4: Let's get some good news.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: But the bad news is we do not have a
Speaker 2: least I know everybody's running there we've.
Speaker 4: Got a lease. We don't.
Speaker 2: I'm concerned still, I abstained because I'm waiting and been
Speaker 2: consistent on your show, and you know, just they consistent.
Speaker 4: Was a tax basers with the voters.
Speaker 2: That I wouldn't make any moves until we actually had
Speaker 2: the written lease. Because in nineteen ninety seven we went
Speaker 2: to the polls. People went to the polls and they
Speaker 2: were sold a concept just kind of like what you
Speaker 2: ran down, a good concept. All we're going to get
Speaker 2: to stadiums and everybody's excited and homeowners would get a
Speaker 2: thirty percent rebate every single year. And it was a concept,
Speaker 2: and so everybody got excited. They high five kind of
Speaker 2: similar would just happened this week, this past week. But
Speaker 2: then the lawyers got behind the curtains, the Bengals ownership
Speaker 2: lawyers and the county lawyers, and at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, it was not in the written contract lease.
Speaker 2: What was said in the concept talking points, and what
Speaker 2: happened was the thirty percent was never written in. It
Speaker 2: was saying you're going there would be a rebate, and
Speaker 2: the commissioners got to vote every year, so we the
Speaker 2: tax payers was never written inside the lease, but everything
Speaker 2: that the Bengals ownership wanted is in writing, and it
Speaker 2: was put in place, and it was there. I wasn't
Speaker 2: even in politics, and now I have to abide by
Speaker 2: a lease. What happened on last week, and if you know,
Speaker 2: I've just got to be honest with the people, was
Speaker 2: that there was a vote to extend the deadline. So
Speaker 2: the deadline was supposed to be today, but the vote
Speaker 2: was to extend it. So we are still under the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven bad least, and we will stay under
Speaker 2: it until we get a new lease. What we had
Speaker 2: was what you call an LOI, which is letter of intent,
Speaker 2: which legally is not binding. It says in legal terms,
Speaker 2: it's not binding. It is not a final lease. And
Speaker 2: in fact, the resolution that was voted on that's the
Speaker 2: reason I have stayed. I said, why would I vote
Speaker 2: on this? It has a title and then the title
Speaker 2: it says it's a resolution for Hamilton County and the
Speaker 2: Bengals ownership to go into the negotiation.
Speaker 3: Now, I thought, we've been negotiating.
Speaker 1: How long does the deadline get extended until.
Speaker 2: When there's no that's that's the key in this resolution.
Speaker 2: There's no timeline in this resolution. It says at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the resolution that was voted on, I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about the pr talking points, I'm talking about the
Speaker 2: actual resolution. The title says this resolution is for Hamilton
Speaker 2: County and the Bengals to go into a negotiation. That's
Speaker 2: the title. Then it has another cause in there. It says,
Speaker 2: this is no way, no way it can be seen
Speaker 2: as a new lease that's been writing. And so I said, well,
Speaker 2: what in the world we've been doing. I've been trying
Speaker 2: to get to the lease, says I got elected five
Speaker 2: years ago. I thought, we've been getting to the lease.
Speaker 2: So it's a nineteen ninety seven move where we clapped
Speaker 2: our hands at man, we got it. We don't get
Speaker 2: two stadiums, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: And then the.
Speaker 2: People got really pissed off when they got the actual
Speaker 2: binding lease. And so what was on here is that
Speaker 2: this will stay intact. Nineteen ninety seven is still intact
Speaker 2: today and the extension has gone beyond today.
Speaker 1: So what are we celebrating? What were we what was
Speaker 1: this big press conferences?
Speaker 5: And what I'm saying, what.
Speaker 1: Were we doing? So we're celebrating the fact that we
Speaker 1: didn't come up. We've got to celebrate the fact that
Speaker 1: we agreed to remove any deadline.
Speaker 2: That's what we did, and now the lawyers are to
Speaker 2: get together and start working on the lease that I
Speaker 2: even asked at the meeting, what's the dead line? No
Speaker 2: one had the dead line, So I got to be
Speaker 2: just honest with the people. You know, we've got a concept,
Speaker 2: but we don't have an end the concept plan. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell you you talked about three hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars guarantee. The Bengals get a guarantee the own,
Speaker 2: but there's no guarantee for anybody else in the new
Speaker 2: group in the new proposal that ain't been passed. It's
Speaker 2: not in writing, that's not in the lease. The homeowners
Speaker 2: get screwed. I couldnot even present the thirty percent for
Speaker 2: seven additional years on a lease that would only.
Speaker 4: Be ten years.
Speaker 2: So in the seventh year they said, you could you know,
Speaker 2: reef And then someone told me, well, it's fiscally irresponsible
Speaker 2: to put in any type of break for the homeowner.
Speaker 2: They want to get back sloan to five percent. Two
Speaker 2: percent property taxes is the number one issue right now,
Speaker 2: and I can't go. I told the voters that I
Speaker 2: would be fighting. And you know, Sloan, I've been on
Speaker 2: your show. You You've helped me get the word out
Speaker 2: of the border relatives and everything. We've been able to
Speaker 2: get it two out of the you know, four years.
Speaker 2: I had been elected at that time, but now under
Speaker 2: this new I would not even be able to propose.
Speaker 2: And they told me, well, is irresponsible to give something
Speaker 2: to the taxpayers. We it'll break the bank. Well, if
Speaker 2: it breaks the bank to give the taxpayers a break,
Speaker 2: then how are we guaranteeing three hundred and fifty millions
Speaker 2: for the Bengals and let's be clearsloans? The State of
Speaker 2: Ohio Speaker of the House said no, they they the
Speaker 2: Bengals put in something for the city to put the
Speaker 2: money in the mayor and the city said no. So
Speaker 2: you know, again, I don't know what we're celebrating. That's
Speaker 2: why I like to take it to the ballot, to
Speaker 2: be honest, so the people know exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 2: But they're doing a good job with po oh man.
Speaker 5: They got we got a deal.
Speaker 2: We got a least we gotta And I you said,
Speaker 2: show me the leaser.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I gotta lead, I guess. But in lega
Speaker 1: at least risa legal language is right, it's it's LOI.
Speaker 1: You have MOUs, you have agreements of understanding, and you
Speaker 1: can go on and on and on with these things.
Speaker 1: But the principles, I guess, the core pillars of the
Speaker 1: deal are outline them at the beginning here. Those are
Speaker 1: already agreed upon. How much money is coming in at
Speaker 1: this point, So it's a matter of maybe some more
Speaker 1: of the nuances. Yeah, you don't have a lease, but
Speaker 1: at least in principle both sides agree to move forward.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: The other ones is what the taxpayers got it. It's
Speaker 2: actual when you get into this lead, it gets into
Speaker 2: those clauses and the whereases and the guarantees that we
Speaker 2: can't do this and we can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's really where the people got screwed. They didn't get
Speaker 2: screwed on the concept. They agreed to two stadiums. That's
Speaker 2: the concept, right, But then when you got into the
Speaker 2: nitty gritty of everything, the wait a minute, we got
Speaker 2: to pay for everything, we got to pay voll to
Speaker 2: up keep. Wait a minute, we can't do this and
Speaker 2: if you start talking about the concept, the concept is
Speaker 2: the homeowners will not be able to get any break
Speaker 2: that is thirty percent, yes, and I think that's the
Speaker 2: pre big deal. You know. They talk about it, like
Speaker 2: I said, I appreciate the concept that we'll be able
Speaker 2: to hire a third party to bring inns. But then
Speaker 2: I said, well, what's the details of that. They said, oh,
Speaker 2: we'll get to that down the road. Well, that's a
Speaker 2: lot of different details that we would have to get into.
Speaker 2: So for me, what I saw when the tax turns
Speaker 2: got really pissed off and they actually voted a commissioner
Speaker 2: out of office on They voted them out of office
Speaker 2: because once they saw a contract the lease, they said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we got screwed. So we don't want
Speaker 2: to make the same mistake we made in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Well a Leekah Cony commissioner Lisha Resa on the Scot
Speaker 1: Slane Show this morning and what the problem is with
Speaker 1: the stadium. Lisa was greant and we celebrated this on Friday,
Speaker 1: and Alisha's like, hold up a second, this is just
Speaker 1: ending the deadline. We're still negotiating, so really nothing's been
Speaker 1: completed here. I brought up on Friday, had your compatriot
Speaker 1: on Denise Streetthouse and I get it, you guys are
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with numbers and everything else, and so you kind
Speaker 1: of misseduff. But I brought up the fact that the
Speaker 1: Bengals that were celebrating they're going to pay a million
Speaker 1: dollars rent starting in year one. And I said at
Speaker 1: the time, I was like, well, as I recall the
Speaker 1: Bengals were paying rent for the first nine years of
Speaker 1: the lease starting in nineteen ninety seven, that actually is true.
Speaker 1: And so the end result is the base rent in
Speaker 1: year one of the LEAs they're paying one point seven million,
Speaker 1: then in year two is one six, then down to
Speaker 1: one five, four to three to two, all the way
Speaker 1: to nine hundred thousand dollars a year nine. Of course,
Speaker 1: that was those twenty years ago, and now they're going
Speaker 1: to pay a million, and they're paying less rent per
Speaker 1: year than they were in the eighth year of the
Speaker 1: deal that expired after year nine. Does that make any sense?
Speaker 2: Well, that's my point about talking points number one. I've
Speaker 2: been reading this lease since I got there five it's
Speaker 2: been five years now, back and forth. That's why I
Speaker 2: told you about to find print. In the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: seven they celebrated that they were paying rent, and they
Speaker 2: did pay one point seven million, as you said, in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven dollar value. Now we're in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five dollar value. And in fact that they needn started,
Speaker 2: they would pay a million dollars, so the dollar value
Speaker 2: is a little bit less. Not the only thing about
Speaker 2: the original nineteen ninety seven it got all the way
Speaker 2: down to zero. So I think they only paid rent
Speaker 2: for maybe nine years. But listen to this. This lease
Speaker 2: is about a ten year lease, maybe eleven, and so
Speaker 2: you know that's you know, that's what they're saying that
Speaker 2: they're paid. Now, we charge right to rent the stadium.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred thousand dollars a day. So I'll let
Speaker 2: you all do the math on that. But I'm happy
Speaker 2: to see that they would be going back to paying
Speaker 2: something for being there with because you know, they got
Speaker 2: their head. It's not just the game. They have their
Speaker 2: headquarter offices there, They've got you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: the headquarter office is there of free parking, is there
Speaker 2: garage all that stuff. Oh and by the way, we
Speaker 2: paid a gas, an electric, we paid a water bill,
Speaker 2: we paid a sewer bill. I'm talking about taxpayers, so
Speaker 2: there needed to be something there, something else. Loan, I'm
Speaker 2: breaking it on your show first. Although I did say
Speaker 2: it at the meeting, they didn't pick it up because
Speaker 2: they already had By the way, at the meeting, it
Speaker 2: was interesting long I was sitting there and the administrator
Speaker 2: was just presenting the proposal to the public, And when
Speaker 2: I sat there, my pone went off with all these alerts.
Speaker 2: And do you know that the story had already been
Speaker 2: written in the inquiry USA Today Sports illustrator. This is
Speaker 2: before he even finished the PowerPoint that if you're gonna
Speaker 2: be passed, somebody even erroneously had put it's gonna be
Speaker 2: unanimously passed. I hadn't even voted. They hadn't even called.
Speaker 3: For a vote yet.
Speaker 2: And there's something wrong with that. Because two hundred eighteen
Speaker 2: thousand plus people voted for me to go down there
Speaker 2: represent them and take a vote. They've given somebody down there.
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is. I told the administrator
Speaker 2: this cannot be tolerated. They already had the articles talking
Speaker 2: about my vote and I hadn't voted, already talked about
Speaker 2: the deal is done. And we hadn't even he's just
Speaker 2: now presenting it in power points.
Speaker 6: To the people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so the process long is the problem?
Speaker 1: Say, if you can't stop leaks at the Pentagon, you
Speaker 1: can't stop leaks at the White House. You probably can't
Speaker 1: stop leaks at the Hamlet Gun Commission.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about leaks, but don't ever put
Speaker 2: out what I'm gonna do until I do it. This
Speaker 2: is a big this is a big deal for you though,
Speaker 2: for the voters, this current proposal, and we got to
Speaker 2: keep it as a proposal. Don't say leased anymore, don't
Speaker 2: say deal anymore, because again, all we did was vote
Speaker 2: to extend the deadline of the current bad leaf from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. But in there in the proposal, this
Speaker 2: proposed proposal would end and they say ten or eleven
Speaker 2: years if it starts in twenty twenty six, hypothetically, if
Speaker 2: we can get to at least then do you know
Speaker 2: that that would end in twenty thirty six, twenty thirty seven?
Speaker 2: You know the since now you're read, deal ends in
Speaker 2: twenty thirty seven. So we would be at the table.
Speaker 2: It's hard enough trying to do one. We would be
Speaker 2: at the table with the Bengals second third deal and
Speaker 2: the Red second deal, two stadiums at the same time,
Speaker 2: and I brought it up and no one can it's true.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirty seven, the GABP deal is up. Reds are
Speaker 1: going to come to the table same time the Bengals are,
Speaker 1: and then that is going to give people fits. I
Speaker 1: would think at that point. Alicia Reese, final point on
Speaker 1: this the initial deal that we're talking about here, and again,
Speaker 1: as you correctly pointed out, this is basically an extension
Speaker 1: of the old deal. We've come to some of the
Speaker 1: pillars in the terms of what the county and the
Speaker 1: team are going to give into this thing. And I
Speaker 1: understand that it's not done until it's signed. But if
Speaker 1: things stand the way they are on the nuances are
Speaker 1: worked out and smaller points are worked out, is seventy
Speaker 1: five percent of the team is what seven I sent
Speaker 1: the taxpayers. Let me tell it again, taxpayers will fund
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the stadium. The old deal from
Speaker 1: ninety seven ninety six was ninety four percent. That's a
Speaker 1: fire deal. Better. You can't go from the bottom of
Speaker 1: the pit, the worst deal in the world, all the
Speaker 1: way to the top of the mountain, the best the world.
Speaker 1: It's going to take a number of long after we're
Speaker 1: gone from this world for this for this to change.
Speaker 1: But it is seventy five percent at least a big
Speaker 1: step in the right direction.
Speaker 2: I think we're making some progress. But if you look
Speaker 2: at Cleveland, they're doing a fifty fifty deal, that's a
Speaker 2: real partnership. They're putting in some real money and skin
Speaker 2: in the game. Bengal's ownership, according to Forbes, could afford
Speaker 2: to put some skin in the game. And so what
Speaker 2: I look at it as one if you keep out
Speaker 2: the thirty percent for the property tax owners, who I
Speaker 2: don't think the deal could have passed without that thirty percent.
Speaker 2: I think if we can get thirty percent, because that
Speaker 2: to me de ducts from the seventy five percent, because
Speaker 2: right now it's almost zero percent for the homeowner or
Speaker 2: the taxpayer. And I'll tell you this Loan. When we
Speaker 2: were having one of our meetings, a veteran, it was
Speaker 2: some commotion out in the hallway and they said, I said,
Speaker 2: what happened? They said, well, it was a caucage and
Speaker 2: veteran who came down there and they told him the
Speaker 2: shush and.
Speaker 3: He said, don't you shush me.
Speaker 2: They've turned off my gas and electric and I'm about
Speaker 2: to be homeless. And I serve this country. So when
Speaker 2: I look at the deal, it's not in isolation. I've
Speaker 2: got to look at it for the homeowners. Two hundred
Speaker 2: some thousand homeowners versus nine games. Okay, we've got nine
Speaker 2: games with a three hundred and fifty million dollars guarantee.
Speaker 2: We got two hundred and fifty two hundred twenty thousand homeowners,
Speaker 2: by the way, who have no guarantee right and property
Speaker 2: taxes is one of the top issues, and the economy
Speaker 2: is going up. How do we cook? To me, a
Speaker 2: win win would be we've got to have some skin
Speaker 2: in it for the people who are actually asked to
Speaker 2: fund this. And I appreciate, like I said, I'm a
Speaker 2: big Bengals fan and everything, but I had to take
Speaker 2: my fan hat off. And fifty something percent of the
Speaker 2: Bengals fans come from outside of Hamilton County, so they're
Speaker 2: not on the hook accepted buy a ticket to go
Speaker 2: to the game. And so I've got to think about
Speaker 2: that veteran. I gotta think of our grandma with the house.
Speaker 2: And that's why I've said, we got to keep pushing
Speaker 2: to because our job was really to make sure that
Speaker 2: the taxpayers got a good deal. And when you look
Speaker 2: at the proposal that's being pushed, we've got nothing in
Speaker 2: it for the taxpayers. You said, we're not gonna charge
Speaker 2: you more, but we're not gonna give you anything either.
Speaker 1: Well that's been a problem because you can cut on
Speaker 1: one hand the number of times you give that thirty
Speaker 1: percent back since to steal with sign and that's that
Speaker 1: makes you, guys. It doesn't make the team look bad.
Speaker 1: It makes you all with the commission look bad. At
Speaker 1: least your ree Hamlin County Commissioner always love having on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm glad to have you back. And I
Speaker 1: get it. This is a deal that's still in could
Speaker 1: get really screwed up, and let's face it, the and
Speaker 1: could fall apart. But at least it seems like it's
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction. Hope y'all can get it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, make sure people.
Speaker 2: We can't give the people a pr spin. We've got
Speaker 2: to give them the real facts and I can't make
Speaker 2: a move and a good conscience. They so what I
Speaker 2: told my voters, I said, I'm going to keep going
Speaker 2: until we get the final lease and then I'll make
Speaker 2: my decisions. And today we have no lease. We have
Speaker 2: an extension, and I think we need to call it
Speaker 2: what it is. That we were given an extension. That's
Speaker 2: what we should have said. Don't try to mucky it
Speaker 2: up to the taxpayers.
Speaker 3: They deserve the truth.
Speaker 1: Alicia will chat again in the near future, because God knows,
Speaker 1: there's always stuff to talk about with you. Thanks long, alright,
Speaker 1: can't carry yourself, you too, Thank you, ma'am. Alicia Reese
Speaker 1: on the Scott's Loan Show this morning. Your reaction to
Speaker 1: the deal that's not really a deal or is this
Speaker 1: how deals are dealt I think the latter's probably two
Speaker 1: and not the prior that the lawyers that come up
Speaker 1: with these terms. You got Loi's, you got MOUs I
Speaker 1: get agreements of understanding, agreements and principle. What does it
Speaker 1: actually mean? Really not a lot, not a lot, but
Speaker 1: usually they work out your comment's next Slaney after news
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW Sloaney, here are seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 1: Hope you had a great weekend. Normally you get invited
Speaker 1: to a wedding. We had a weddings the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, they've been great. The one on Saturday, though,
Speaker 1: I gotta it was. It was absolutely spectacular. Our good
Speaker 1: friends h Drew and Regina Taylor, their daughter Noel got
Speaker 1: married to a lovely Irish lad named Rogers. So they're
Speaker 1: in town. Congratulations here their Saturday. But it was at
Speaker 1: the Elmpeka by Jeff Ruby, the old Seventh Street original
Speaker 1: flagship location. And I'll tell you what, that is the
Speaker 1: best wedding I've ever been to in my life. I
Speaker 1: mean it was. It just blew you away. You would
Speaker 1: expect that from a location, and not to throws shade
Speaker 1: into the weddings obviously too, but it was. It was
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. And so yeah, that was. It's wonderful to
Speaker 1: see your daughter married off to a great guy, but
Speaker 1: being part of that was fantastic. And he owns. Drew
Speaker 1: Taylor's the president of Taylor Trucking in Cincinnati. I think
Speaker 1: one hundred and I'm SA one hundred and seventy four
Speaker 1: years old on hundred seventy five years old, oldest family
Speaker 1: run company in Cincinnati, believe it or not. Seventh generation's
Speaker 1: daughter taken over so and her son Grant. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a great time and enjoyed immensely that celebration.
Speaker 1: So anyway, what else we got going on today? We're
Speaker 1: talking to Alicia Reese minutes ago here on the Big one,
Speaker 1: seven hundred w WELW, I had an email from a
Speaker 1: buddy through a buddy, through a buddy. Anyway, I don't
Speaker 1: want to divulge names here, but do an individual that
Speaker 1: has been involved with the parking essentially career in the
Speaker 1: in the parking industry, and especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: the stadium mirrors. I had the E streethouse on Friday,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the money. The Bengals get ninety
Speaker 1: three percent of all parking commission and I said, that's
Speaker 1: gotta be a lot of money. So that's about one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars really not that much, and they are
Speaker 1: about five thousand parking spots and about fifty dollars premium
Speaker 1: per space, and now I think they're even like in
Speaker 1: some area seventy seventy five bucks. But math on, that
Speaker 1: is two hundred and fifty thousand per game, not a
Speaker 1: total of one hundred thousand dollars, and that's still two
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars a year. If you do
Speaker 1: the math up, and so you know, again a lot
Speaker 1: of moving parts when the deal is done. And certainly
Speaker 1: don't say that anyone say anything to pull the wool
Speaker 1: over anyone's eyes. But you hear that about one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, it's got to be per game, right, And
Speaker 1: then they're paying rent of a million a year, so
Speaker 1: I don't know a million in rent, there's still this
Speaker 1: is what two two and a half million just for
Speaker 1: the parking alone. I'm de scribed to my head here
Speaker 1: gone whiskey tango foxtrot. How good a deal is this?
Speaker 1: And when you hear it's like, well, okay, the team
Speaker 1: the taxpayers are going up for seventy five percent supposed
Speaker 1: to ninety four percent like we have. Now you just
Speaker 1: wonder how many things in They're like, well is this okay?
Speaker 1: It seems like the taxpayers are paying money, but how
Speaker 1: much money are you getting back on this? On this deal? Deal?
Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is, you know, you
Speaker 1: can compare this to other state in deals, be it
Speaker 1: the Buffalo or Baltimore or Cleveland, especially where they're going
Speaker 1: to pay fifty percent and people are still angry about
Speaker 1: that and they're getting state money. At some point the
Speaker 1: Bengals are going to get state money. And you just
Speaker 1: wonder how much that throws that seventy four per pounds off,
Speaker 1: because guess what, even though it's not Hamilton County taxpayers
Speaker 1: foot in the bill, it's still tax money. And so
Speaker 1: you throw the state money in there, does that you know,
Speaker 1: does that percentage of seventy four and I'll go back
Speaker 1: up to ninety percent again, great question. And certainly the
Speaker 1: Bengals have hung plenty of banners championship banners now to
Speaker 1: the football field, but in the courtroom, and that I
Speaker 1: think is the rub for a lot of people, especially now.
Speaker 1: And at least it's one hundred percent right, one thousand
Speaker 1: percent right about the fact that we are heading towards
Speaker 1: property tax I'm gonna get in the state of Ohio
Speaker 1: where so many people. There's a man who showed up
Speaker 1: at she said at the meeting it was mad because
Speaker 1: he's a veteran, and they told to be quiet. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna lose my house because I
Speaker 1: can't afford property taxes. And we are promised a thirty
Speaker 1: percent property tax rollback if we voted for this back
Speaker 1: in ninety six. Now a lot of people listening may
Speaker 1: not have been around a voter or even dare I say,
Speaker 1: born in ninety six at that point. That's how long
Speaker 1: this bad deal was. And you're right, I look at it,
Speaker 1: go wow, you had that insult of the proper tax
Speaker 1: rollback and that you're only getting a couple times in
Speaker 1: the last thirty years, and that's even more in Syndy
Speaker 1: area in my opinion, And what does the future lie
Speaker 1: with this deal? Certainly on Thursday Friday, we're excited to
Speaker 1: know they have come to a conclusion. We've got a deal.
Speaker 1: A deal is struck. And she's right in saying that
Speaker 1: it's not you. It's not signed and inked and everything else.
Speaker 1: There's still some negotiation and deals going on, to be sure,
Speaker 1: but I think when you get the fundamentals of a
Speaker 1: deal in place, it goes to show you that both
Speaker 1: sides are on the same page. And now it's some
Speaker 1: of the nuances, and I think maybe even they feel
Speaker 1: that there's really nothing that's going to sidetrack getting this
Speaker 1: thing done. And today, by the way, was the deadline
Speaker 1: for that, the deadline for that and five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
Speaker 1: thousand Ye Rule with David Real Quick and Lawrenceburg on
Speaker 1: the Big One. Hey David morning.
Speaker 4: How are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Everything is well, how are you, David?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Thanks for taking my call first time,
Speaker 5: long time.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Love your show.
Speaker 5: When I'm delivering stuff, I love listening to you. Makes
Speaker 5: the day go faster.
Speaker 1: You're delivering materials, packages or babies? What are you delivering.
Speaker 4: Packages?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, all right, I got you.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 1: My man?
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. I have three quick things and
Speaker 5: I'll hang out much go sir.
Speaker 4: One is I.
Speaker 5: Totally respect a Lisa Reese. I love her enthusiasm for
Speaker 5: the voters so or for the uh. I guess you
Speaker 5: should say that people that are paying the taxes.
Speaker 4: So I love it.
Speaker 5: Two things. One is uh, I can tell she doesn't
Speaker 5: listen to your show or she just drives me crazy
Speaker 5: when she calls you sloan.
Speaker 1: No, it's funny, you know what.
Speaker 4: Bothers.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter to me at all. I've been I've
Speaker 1: been called that, the slowney sloan. Whatever. I answered a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Some things you can't A lot of
Speaker 1: them you can't say in the radio. But the funny
Speaker 1: the guys that the always break my chops about that
Speaker 1: consent ballbrick. Hey, Slot, it's so funny.
Speaker 5: I'm glad I'm not the only one, because every time
Speaker 5: I listen to her talk to you, I'm like, even
Speaker 5: when you come online, are you go? This is sloany.
Speaker 5: Everybody that calls you, one that knows you calls you sloaney. Uh,
Speaker 5: and then she calls you sloan and it drives. It's
Speaker 5: like the fingernails on the chessboard.
Speaker 1: Man. I know, uh yeah, I never like I hear it,
Speaker 1: but it's like it doesn't bother me. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's it's one of those things. This should be
Speaker 1: a pet pee for some people. I guess, well, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that.
Speaker 5: I'm glad I called that that. Then I'm glad I'm
Speaker 5: not the only one.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: She obviously then doesn't listen to seven hundred because she
Speaker 5: knows you're slowing. Everybody calls you slowly. But the last
Speaker 5: and I'll hang up is it's back. Even when they
Speaker 5: voted for the Bengals to stay, people just do not realize.
Speaker 5: I mean, I get it. The Bengals get a sweetheart
Speaker 5: of the deal. But yes, if you want to be
Speaker 5: if you want a big team in your city and
Speaker 5: you want to be a relevant big city, and it
Speaker 5: brings in a lot of cash, not even for the games,
Speaker 5: just for the reputation of Cincinnati knowing that there's a
Speaker 5: professional football team there. I think people who are stopping
Speaker 5: that in the opportunity cost that that does that. And
Speaker 5: I get it you get ripped off by them, but
Speaker 5: they you know, they earn that right by keeping the
Speaker 5: team here.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and I'll let you go, buddy, thanks
Speaker 1: for the thing of the propert. Appreciate you so much?
Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah, you do benefit from that. I know
Speaker 1: people don't want you don't want hear this, specially with
Speaker 1: property tax thing because hey, listen, I might lose my
Speaker 1: house because of property taxes. Well that's also our friends
Speaker 1: at the state. Let's not forget that. But you were
Speaker 1: promised the rollback that you didn't get.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Similarly, I look at this and go, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: with the hotel motel lights, when when when Monday night,
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Sunday night footballs in town. That's millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars to the bottom line the city, and
Speaker 1: we can't forget that that having an NFL franchise is huge,
Speaker 1: absolutely huge. Now you look at other cities that are
Speaker 1: it's more equitable the deal between the county or the
Speaker 1: locality and the club itself. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: And the perspective to have is and the ink isn't signed,
Speaker 1: and then we haven't to her point, this is not
Speaker 1: a done deal yet. But in principle, if we can
Speaker 1: get from ninety four percent to seventy four percent, I'll
Speaker 1: take that because it's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: That the deal unquestionably the worst in the history of
Speaker 1: professional sports, and dare I say a low point, because
Speaker 1: ever since that deal was signed in ninety six, we
Speaker 1: have seen other cities look at that and give a
Speaker 1: side eye and go wa in doing that, that was
Speaker 1: littally the worst deal, and it's gotten better for every
Speaker 1: city since to the point where recently Kansas City voters
Speaker 1: and they have championships said we're not giving you deal,
Speaker 1: we're not paying, we're not putting the costs for this.
Speaker 1: So things have changed a lot.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: If you're the bottom of the hole, you're way way
Speaker 1: down to the bottom of the hole. You fall onto
Speaker 1: the pit and you try to get to the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain. So the worst deal to the best deal,
Speaker 1: you're still going to have to get halfway up to
Speaker 1: that pet And I think that's what this is. If
Speaker 1: you can take a twenty percentage point increase in the
Speaker 1: amount of money the team's contributing versus the taxpayers, I
Speaker 1: consider that a win. Is it a perfect deal? I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people want perfection from the jump, saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what you stole from us for years it
Speaker 1: was a lopsided deal. We're going to go completely the
Speaker 1: other way out of Vengines. That's not gonna happen either,
Speaker 1: because you know you and you jeopardize the entire operation
Speaker 1: of the club, and man, it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a dumpster fire when this deal is done in
Speaker 1: seven years and it coincides with the Red Leaves coming
Speaker 1: up at GABP because the Reds really have been quiet,
Speaker 1: but they haven't had to. They've been really quiet about
Speaker 1: this whole thing. They really haven't needed to publicly fight
Speaker 1: about getting stuff. Now. I would say the different than
Speaker 1: the two teams is and the Bengals I ever have
Speaker 1: learned this lesson when it comes to community engagement. They're
Speaker 1: not good at all. You look around the league at
Speaker 1: what teams do in the community, and not just the players,
Speaker 1: but the team them saying you going out there and
Speaker 1: doing stuff. If you look at other clubs in the NFL,
Speaker 1: the Bengals don't do that. And I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: not generous with their time, talent, and treasure and anonymously
Speaker 1: giving money and trying to keep under that. And I
Speaker 1: get that, but this is not the air to be that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work anymore. The public wants to see you engage,
Speaker 1: especially when you have so much tax periment. Look at
Speaker 1: this way. Average person in Cincinnati does not go to
Speaker 1: Bengals games, and yet they are paying and footing the
Speaker 1: bill when they buy stuff. And of course, now add
Speaker 1: the property tax thing on that where there's no rollback,
Speaker 1: and I'm now I may lose my house because of
Speaker 1: property taxes. And so the prospect is like, Okay, what
Speaker 1: am I getting out of this team? One Super Bowl
Speaker 1: appearance and not very good since and so even that
Speaker 1: feels like it's not being rewarded. And that's reality. Man,
Speaker 1: that's a perception. I've said for a long time, and
Speaker 1: I keep hearing about how the younger Blackburn women are
Speaker 1: better at this and social media and all these things
Speaker 1: they're doing, and the Ring of Honor and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what, It's a step in the right direction,
Speaker 1: but you need to take a leap in the right direction.
Speaker 1: There needs to be a hell of a lot more
Speaker 1: community engagement with this team. If you're asking for what
Speaker 1: you're asking are in getting. And then on top of
Speaker 1: the property tax thing, you really need to be in
Speaker 1: the community as much, if not more than the Reds are.
Speaker 1: Because the Reds are absolutely phenomenal at this stuff and
Speaker 1: the Bengals are wolful. You need to look across the
Speaker 1: street at the other team and go, what are the
Speaker 1: Reds doing? We're not doing when it comes to community engagement.
Speaker 1: And that's a huge issue for me and a huge
Speaker 1: issue for the city. No one talks about the run.
Speaker 1: Reds are playing really really well right now and are
Speaker 1: sniff and the playoffs there, I say, but the Reds
Speaker 1: have been an exercising futility for a long time. And
Speaker 1: why did they get a pass. They get a pass
Speaker 1: because they put their arms around the city. The Bengals
Speaker 1: don't do that. That's one of the huge issues. That
Speaker 1: is a nuance behind this entire deal at five one, three, seven,
Speaker 1: four nine seven. I was real quick to a Mike
Speaker 1: in Liberty Township, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 7: One name that we keep leaving now that I wish
Speaker 7: would be brought up more so we don't repeat it
Speaker 7: as fans. I live in Butler County, though, sir, they
Speaker 7: don't even apply to me. But Bob Betty Holton, didn't
Speaker 7: he get a job you did with the Bengals after
Speaker 7: that deal with.
Speaker 1: Time he did? Yep, yep, he gotta.
Speaker 7: How the hell was that even allowed?
Speaker 1: Well, because that's what happens, right, one hand washes the other.
Speaker 1: You help us get a deal, you're out as a commissioner. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, we'll hire you. I mean, hell, look
Speaker 1: at it. Look at Washington man. You know this? How
Speaker 1: many these politicians stick it to us all the time
Speaker 1: and then turn around and sell out after they leave officers,
Speaker 1: they're turned out and they go and they work for
Speaker 1: the people that are fighting against happens all the time.
Speaker 1: Happens all the damn time. That's the problem with.
Speaker 3: It, God, Chad, they're completely schools.
Speaker 7: Got what I'm gonna disagree with you? No, I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: even though it's seventy five percent whatever it is. No,
Speaker 7: like you said, they need to a bigger lead than that.
Speaker 7: That that's a very very small improvement, and.
Speaker 4: That's not okay. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're going from ninety four to seventy five. That's a
Speaker 1: pretty good that's a pretty good jump percentage one.
Speaker 4: It never ninety four first off, So.
Speaker 1: It needs going You're right about.
Speaker 4: It needs to go to fifty period. That's need.
Speaker 1: And there's another part of the problem, right, is the
Speaker 1: business model of the Bengals. Their entirety, in their essence,
Speaker 1: all their all their capital comes from the football operations.
Speaker 1: Whereas you look at the Cleveland Browns that that's insurance money.
Speaker 1: So you look at that and go, okay, well the
Speaker 1: Bengals have Bengal money, but most of the other teams
Speaker 1: have other business interests. And I'm surprised over the years
Speaker 1: the Bengals havn't, you know, diversified and taken a lot
Speaker 1: of that money and started other than they might have.
Speaker 1: But you wonder how it's not helping football operations. So
Speaker 1: the idea of just solely existing out of football, it's
Speaker 1: if you can see what that what that gets you
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati. That's not good. That is not good
Speaker 1: at all. MIKEA, I'll let you go. You're breaking up.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening as always. Excuse me. We got
Speaker 1: news in about oh seven minutes here on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 1: and then it's Connie Pillach Hamblin County Prosecutor. She is
Speaker 1: here to talk about the brig the we forgot about
Speaker 1: the story because there's a huge story and inconvenience people
Speaker 1: for one hundred days and everybody went there pound of
Speaker 1: flesh and there was so much news going on, it
Speaker 1: just kind of got swept away. But I want to
Speaker 1: bring it back to the big mac Bridge fire case
Speaker 1: and why these knuckleheads, this one knucklehead in particular, decide
Speaker 1: he's going to set a fire that wound up costing
Speaker 1: what eleven million dollars in damages and eleven million dollars
Speaker 1: taxpayer money. That's crazy talk. That's absolutely crazy talk. So
Speaker 1: that's coming up in a few here again Connie Pillach
Speaker 1: Shamblin County Prosecutor at ten oh seven on the Scott's
Speaker 1: Loan Show on seven hundred Wow. Quickly here. I do
Speaker 1: want to pay homage somewhat here to Dave Parker, and
Speaker 1: it goes without saying. Dave Parker passing at the age
Speaker 1: of seventy four over the weekend and just a month
Speaker 1: before he was set to be inducted in the Baseball's
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He said he had one hell of
Speaker 1: a speech plan which I would have loved to hear,
Speaker 1: But that is going to be bared with Dave Parker,
Speaker 1: the Cobra dead at the age of seventy four. I've
Speaker 1: always been available to the media and always I've seen
Speaker 1: him appear quite quite a few times. So it's sad
Speaker 1: to see an icon of your childhood pass now. I
Speaker 1: remember watching him now somewhat is a red but you
Speaker 1: remember the glory days in the seventies when he was
Speaker 1: a part of the we Are Family Buccos Pittsburgh Pirates
Speaker 1: winning the World Series. I remember that incredible play he
Speaker 1: made in seventy nine watching the All Star Game live
Speaker 1: as a kid, where I believe Joe Morgan and he
Speaker 1: were running for a ball on the right field line
Speaker 1: and the ball hit the AstroTurf as it does and
Speaker 1: took a weird hop. Parker runs backwards, pivots, turns around,
Speaker 1: and almost blindly fires a laser to third base to
Speaker 1: get I think Jim Rice out at third base. One
Speaker 1: of the best All Star Game. How one of the
Speaker 1: best plays in baseball to show you because you always
Speaker 1: talk about his bat and the sledgehammer and just how
Speaker 1: much he would hit and it's incredible power at the plate.
Speaker 1: But that guy's an outfielder for a big man. He
Speaker 1: moved fast, That's why it was a cobra, moved fast.
Speaker 1: But his arm was unbelievable. The fact that he could
Speaker 1: fire a strike from the rightful left, falling backwards somewhat
Speaker 1: and reeling off a throw like that was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: So again, Dave Parker passing at the age of seventy four.
Speaker 1: We got news on the way one of the bigger
Speaker 1: stories today. Sadly and shockingly, two firefighters in Idaho shot
Speaker 1: and killed in an ambush type of pack attack responding
Speaker 1: to a fire near Curdleen, and that's in the northern
Speaker 1: part of that state. Yesterday afternoon. Man found dead near
Speaker 1: a firearm or the shooting occurred. Believe he's the only suspect,
Speaker 1: But sadly, one firefighter died and the third firefighter was
Speaker 1: fighting for his life stable condition now, I guess, but
Speaker 1: my god, two firefighters killed and an ambush type attack
Speaker 1: should scare the hell out of you. Police officers often
Speaker 1: think about that because that's part of the job. I mean,
Speaker 1: look what happened to Ryan Hinton, but Mike got firefighters. Now,
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. So those in first responders
Speaker 1: thoughts in prayers this morning. And that's another American tragedy unfolding.
Speaker 1: So we've got that. We got lots of local news.
Speaker 1: It's all happening. I mentioned Connie pillach Is next talk
Speaker 1: about the bridge fire right after news on the Home
Speaker 1: of the Red seven hundred WW Cincinnati. Because I like
Speaker 1: to set fires, that was the answer thirty nine year
Speaker 1: old Terry Styles gave to investigators were setting a blaze
Speaker 1: to a playground below the Big Back Bridge in November
Speaker 1: first last year. Of course, that was closed in for
Speaker 1: one hundred days because that fire then spread and caused
Speaker 1: damage to the underbelly of the bridge, caused travel nightmares.
Speaker 1: Don't have to tell you that, but also cost us
Speaker 1: taxpayers eleven million dollars. Terry Styles now behind bars for
Speaker 1: nine to thirteen and a half years and joining us
Speaker 1: on the show to talk about. This is Connie Pillach
Speaker 1: handling County prosecutor, County. How you been.
Speaker 6: I'm great, Thank you? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. Lincoln Heights, we had
Speaker 1: Rodney hitting, we had the big Mac Bridge fire, you
Speaker 1: got the Bengals. Lease, are you still glad you won
Speaker 1: the prosecutorial race.
Speaker 6: That's a really good question. My hair has been on.
Speaker 1: Fire for a little bit in addition to the bridge.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you just kept catching story after story, big
Speaker 1: case after big case. Careful what you want, you may
Speaker 1: just get it now. I and this story kind of
Speaker 1: got bare. We had so much news over the weekend
Speaker 1: here local crime and all sorts of things happening. But
Speaker 1: it was just a fascinating thing because we always speculated
Speaker 1: as to why that bridge would have caught fire, because
Speaker 1: normally you look at a structure that is made of
Speaker 1: steel and concrete and it doesn't burn. But this this melted,
Speaker 1: And I think it's just a fascinating piece of police
Speaker 1: work and prosecutorial work. So hats off to you and
Speaker 1: the department and the Sheriff's department for solving this.
Speaker 6: Well, it really was the Cincinnati Fire Department, you know,
Speaker 6: you know that's led by Chief Frank McKinley, but he's
Speaker 6: got fire investigators and they just did some gum shoe
Speaker 6: investigating that panned out great, just putting their nose to
Speaker 6: the grindstone and trying to track down those suspects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one thing you don't think about fire investigations,
Speaker 1: but they are. It's like postal investigators. You have done
Speaker 1: think about it, but they're pitbulls. They're relentless and they
Speaker 1: will investigate a case and come to try and get
Speaker 1: it to a come to fruition presented to you to
Speaker 1: be prosecutors. This case was too. Those investigators determined through
Speaker 1: traffic cameras in the area it was a green van
Speaker 1: because we've all seen the images that night. You could
Speaker 1: see the flames starting to lick the underside of the bridge,
Speaker 1: and of course a flame, a fire doubles every sixty seconds,
Speaker 1: and that was true in this one especially. But there
Speaker 1: was a van in the area and you could kind
Speaker 1: of see it, but you didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: It was Grainy parked it. So your point about an
Speaker 1: hour before the fire, can you give me some insight,
Speaker 1: give us some insight as to how that lead developed.
Speaker 6: Well, so the first thing that they fire investigators do
Speaker 6: is they just survey the area in which the fire started.
Speaker 6: And there are multiple surveillance cameras in the area that
Speaker 6: are on buildings or on bridges or things on structures.
Speaker 6: So they were doing that first, and they looked at
Speaker 6: it very very carefully, because you have to be looking
Speaker 6: for tiny, tiny leads. And they did see one vehicle
Speaker 6: in the parking lot down at Soyer Point, and as
Speaker 6: they looked at other types of video surveillance, they saw
Speaker 6: that vehicle exit, they saw it enter, they saw it
Speaker 6: on Renting Road, they thought on Agostin, and so they
Speaker 6: started tracking it that way, and eventually somebody who was
Speaker 6: working on the case realized that while they couldn't read
Speaker 6: the license plate, they could tell that it was a
Speaker 6: temporary tag. And this is what's really cool. They got
Speaker 6: together with the BMV and they found out all the
Speaker 6: green vans in this area with temporary tags, and they
Speaker 6: started to find them. We have licensed plate readers all
Speaker 6: over the place, and they found six of them, all
Speaker 6: six that the BMV said were here, and two of
Speaker 6: them looked like the one they'd seen in the surveillance
Speaker 6: camera on Pardony Sawyer Point and one of them was
Speaker 6: registered to Caitlin Hall, and she was one of the
Speaker 6: people involved.
Speaker 1: That is an incredible police of investing a piece of investigation.
Speaker 1: And that's amazing that you would Okay, there's six vans.
Speaker 1: This one matches the make model year. Who owns it? Okay,
Speaker 1: it's Caitlyn Hall. So you interviewed Caitlyn Hall, and I
Speaker 1: know that she and Terry Styles had three kids age.
Speaker 1: I believe she had the kids in the van at
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, yes.
Speaker 6: He and Terry Styles, the guy who set the fire,
Speaker 6: they have three children together and they were driving around
Speaker 6: in the after midnight looking for electronic scooters to steal.
Speaker 1: Three o'clock in the morning. You got kids in the
Speaker 1: back of a van. That's that's that's incredible right there
Speaker 1: to me. I mean that just leaves you shaking your head.
Speaker 1: What was the relation to us? So you had Terry Styles,
Speaker 1: Kalyn Hall and the three kids, and then Zachary Stump
Speaker 1: was also driving around. What was the relationship to the
Speaker 1: other two.
Speaker 6: They're just friends. Perhaps perhaps he looked up to Terry
Speaker 6: Styles in some way. Yeah, And that's what we gathered
Speaker 6: and look, these fire investigators They did a fantastic job
Speaker 6: interviewing these people, and so did the police departments, and
Speaker 6: we had Redding police involved, and because Caitlin was living
Speaker 6: and reading and so they just did a great job
Speaker 6: piece in this together and giving us all the evidence
Speaker 6: we need. And as you know, they all confessed.
Speaker 1: Well for a minute, didn't the two flip on each other.
Speaker 1: Caitlin hal Ands Zachary Stump like pointed there, right, they're
Speaker 1: they're accusing each other and and really didn't have any
Speaker 1: other in the van, but Terry Styles wanted to set
Speaker 1: the fire. And then finally you got him in the
Speaker 1: box and he's like, yeah, I did it. That's incredible
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not unusual for uh, it's not unusual for
Speaker 6: codefendants to point a finger at somebody else. And Zachary
Speaker 6: Stump was the first one to do it. And Styles
Speaker 6: tried to tried to lie and he was a bad liar,
Speaker 6: and and like you said, he said, yeah, I did it.
Speaker 1: And then you had James Hamilton, who wasn't even there,
Speaker 1: who was tried to help them of aid arrest as well,
Speaker 1: and just a bunch of these are not bright people
Speaker 1: you're dealing. Thank god, for that, Connie Pillach, they're not
Speaker 1: bright people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but unfortunately this guy's passion for setting fire did
Speaker 6: lead to an enormous cost for all of us, an
Speaker 6: enormous inconvenience everybody who used that bridge every day to
Speaker 6: the businesses there. Thank goodness, nobody was killed. Well, it
Speaker 6: could have been very, very bad.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean we all saw the footage of the smoke
Speaker 1: building out from underneath that before y'all shut the bridge down.
Speaker 1: But I also think of the traffic jams. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many people got in fights or you know, we
Speaker 1: are The nervous part about that was the gunplay. Somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna pull a gun out because they're stuck in a
Speaker 1: two hour delay and cooler health fortunately prevailed, But there
Speaker 1: are a lot of angry people for that one hundred
Speaker 1: day period that had to take side roads in and
Speaker 1: around Cincinnati to get over the to get around the
Speaker 1: bridge closure.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was it was more than an inconvenience, but
Speaker 6: that's what we call it, an inconvenience. It was certainly
Speaker 6: a big problem for everybody.
Speaker 1: Connie Pillaw Shamblin County prosecutor of the show this morning,
Speaker 1: talking about which feels like with all the news this
Speaker 1: passed the past few days. It's kind of older news,
Speaker 1: but fascinating the reasons why and the arrest made, and
Speaker 1: largely because of the good old fashioned detective work of
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Fire Gartment to get a confession out of
Speaker 1: Terry Styles for causing the big MacBridge fire back on
Speaker 1: November first that had things shut down for one hundred days,
Speaker 1: and he did it because he likes to set fire.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's as simple as answers. There's a lot of speculation,
Speaker 1: is that what was the cause? And we caught a
Speaker 1: I caught and amount of people called aras because we
Speaker 1: brought up, well, it's Halloween. Wasn't a bunch of juveniles. Also,
Speaker 1: it was cold on that November first night. Could have
Speaker 1: been homeless people trying to start a fire to keep warm.
Speaker 1: I think when we try to get to the who's
Speaker 1: and you start the whys as far as investigation goes,
Speaker 1: and you tell me as a prosecutor, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that those individuals are responsible. But I think it would
Speaker 1: be reasonable for an investigator. Okay, well we got a
Speaker 1: van down there, looked at video. Could homeless people been
Speaker 1: witnesses are involved? And so you normally canvass that community.
Speaker 1: How long did it take and what was the process
Speaker 1: before you figured it out? Okay, it wasn't either of
Speaker 1: those things. It was actually someone else and we've got
Speaker 1: this green van. Was that pretty much from the jump
Speaker 1: where we're all things on the table prior to you
Speaker 1: come across.
Speaker 6: Well, certainly everything was on the table in the beginning.
Speaker 6: But when the investigators start looking at this, they have
Speaker 6: great training. Obviously we saw how it played out, and
Speaker 6: they do what they're supposed to do. They start by
Speaker 6: looking at the physical area, and then they start looking
Speaker 6: for clues and they were able to find them in
Speaker 6: this case. And as we all know, it was an
Speaker 6: idiot who likes to set fires and it got way
Speaker 6: out of control, and we know it wasn't any of
Speaker 6: those other possibilities. But that you know, every fire is
Speaker 6: going to be different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean you start with what you think
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, where do we begin here? I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you know, I don't know, question school kids because
Speaker 1: school wasn't in session at that point. But it's Halloween.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, is it a bunch of juveniles
Speaker 1: that are doing stupid stuff? Because it's Halloween, is it
Speaker 1: homeless is And it turns out it's none of that.
Speaker 1: It's just a guy who says he likes to set
Speaker 1: fires relative to that county pillage. Do we have any
Speaker 1: in indication he may be linked to other arsons that
Speaker 1: are unsolved.
Speaker 6: He did tell the investigators that he had set fires
Speaker 6: for many years, but I have no information about what
Speaker 6: those fires.
Speaker 1: Were, and maybe not even big enough to warrant. But again,
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to confess with that because that's more
Speaker 1: years probably, and even he's dumb enough to not dumb
Speaker 1: enough to not shut the hell up.
Speaker 6: The fire investigators did have a great impact on him, however,
Speaker 6: At the end of the interview, he said, let me see,
Speaker 6: I got it written here. He told the fire investigators
Speaker 6: he loved them, and he thanked them for keeping Cincinnati
Speaker 6: safe from criminals.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's almost like, I don't know, that's almost cartoon
Speaker 1: like in a sense where the guy gives it up
Speaker 1: and says, you got good people. I'm glad you caught
Speaker 1: me and got me off the street. It's kind of scary, actually,
Speaker 1: And then when you think about how creepy.
Speaker 6: That is, it's certainly ironic.
Speaker 1: It's like the Joker of fires almost in a sense.
Speaker 1: Thank god you got me off the street, because I
Speaker 1: would have done more. I would have done worse, and
Speaker 1: you're right, it could have been worse. There's no loss
Speaker 1: of life here. I know, Connie Pillotch that they hung
Speaker 1: around after the fire was lit because we saw some
Speaker 1: of the video evidence and the video of the monitoring
Speaker 1: down there. Couldn't really pick a lot of stuff out,
Speaker 1: but it seemed like they hung around after it was
Speaker 1: lit for a few minutes. Did they leave when it
Speaker 1: got out of control? Did they know how bad it was?
Speaker 1: And if not, what point did they learn? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know what, we did something really really bad here?
Speaker 6: So they did not know how bad it was. They
Speaker 6: lit the fire around two fifty six am, and the
Speaker 6: video cameras, you know, the surveillance cameras nearby, detected a glow,
Speaker 6: and within two minutes of that, the surveillance video showed
Speaker 6: dials and stumps elsewhere, you know, walking away from the playground,
Speaker 6: and then the van drove away. It exited Sawyer Points
Speaker 6: at three h five am. So they weren't there a
Speaker 6: lot a long time. But I can tell you by
Speaker 6: three thirds just eight minutes after that there was a fire,
Speaker 6: and I.
Speaker 1: Think a few minutes after that was like three fifteen.
Speaker 1: Three sixteen is when the first nine one one call
Speaker 1: came in from me driving over the bridge, said, there's
Speaker 1: smoke coming off from it. You got a big fire
Speaker 1: going on there. And so it was only a matter
Speaker 1: of minutes between when they left and this thing really
Speaker 1: really took off as a as a much bigger fire
Speaker 1: than was intended.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, and keep in mind that here's how it started.
Speaker 6: So Perry's styles when they were on the playground, he
Speaker 6: just gathered together some debris and some brush and he
Speaker 6: lit it on fire. Well, he tried to light it
Speaker 6: with his lighter, but he didn't really ignite the way
Speaker 6: he wanted it to. So he took his arm and
Speaker 6: he just pushed it all away, and instead of putting
Speaker 6: it out, what it did was send moldering embers across
Speaker 6: the playground's surface. And if you've been on a playground
Speaker 6: in the last few years, you know that they have
Speaker 6: composite wood, and they have you know, fake wood, They
Speaker 6: have rubberized surface that softer, So all of this is
Speaker 6: very flammable, but it's never going to be you know,
Speaker 6: spontaneously combusted. It has to be lit on fire, and
Speaker 6: that's that's what caused it. That's what led to such
Speaker 6: a ferocious fire because of all the petroleum products in
Speaker 6: those materials that are on the playground.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Connie's an after effect this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And you, as a student of the law as well,
Speaker 1: you may recall the Beverly Hill Supper Called fire in
Speaker 1: seventy seven, of course much more tragic than we're talking
Speaker 1: about here because the substantial loss of human life there.
Speaker 1: But that was traced to you know, Stan Chesley, a
Speaker 1: name who most Cincinnatias know the name of, first came
Speaker 1: on the scene and prosecuted that as a faulty wiring thing.
Speaker 1: We had aluminum wiring in the luminum wiring and the
Speaker 1: electrical codes change as all of the Beverly Hill Supper
Speaker 1: Club fire in Kentucky fast forward now to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five or twenty twenty four would have been. I look
Speaker 1: at this and I wonder if playground standards are going
Speaker 1: to change because they use basically recycled ground up tire
Speaker 1: material for the base at the bottom of play and
Speaker 1: it makes sense, right, It's a rubber tire, it's bouncy,
Speaker 1: it doesn't degrade like regular mulch. Does you have the
Speaker 1: plastic material that is a composite decking that's made up
Speaker 1: a lot of these play structors. I wonder if things
Speaker 1: are going to change relative to how they build these
Speaker 1: public parks and public spaces, because if that's combustible, now
Speaker 1: that's not common knowledge. And you wonder how many more
Speaker 1: fire and playgrounds are not cheap. This then cost a
Speaker 1: lot of money to build the thousand hands playground. That
Speaker 1: maybe those standards changers all to this fire.
Speaker 6: Well, that certainly remains to be seen. But we did
Speaker 6: talk about about this with the fire investigators that I
Speaker 6: met with, and they at this point, the sense is
Speaker 6: that this playground is not new. It's been there for decades.
Speaker 6: It's probably was updated updated twenty years ago. It's inspected regularly.
Speaker 6: No one's ever had a concern about its spontaneously combussing.
Speaker 6: I mean, we have to remember this was list on.
Speaker 1: Purpose, right right, but with the fact that just a
Speaker 1: lighter and he spread it around and the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, eleven million dollars in damage to a bridge.
Speaker 1: And wonder if that changes where we place these structures
Speaker 1: and I remember my kids were a little down there
Speaker 1: and maybe down at there, and I think my kids
Speaker 1: were playing in that same structure. I've seen that thing
Speaker 1: a million times, never thought it would be the source
Speaker 1: of a fire. Fortunately, no one was injured or died
Speaker 1: as a result of this thing, and the guy that
Speaker 1: did it is now looking at up to thirteen and
Speaker 1: a half years behind bars as well he should, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be monitored when he comes out. Connie Poltch,
Speaker 1: before I let you go, congratulations getting the Bengals deal done.
Speaker 1: I know if your ears were burning. In the first
Speaker 1: out of the show, I had Commissioner a Lisha Reeson saying, well,
Speaker 1: this is not a new deal. She said, this is
Speaker 1: just an extension to the old deal and basically you
Speaker 1: erase the deadline for today for the thing to be signed,
Speaker 1: and nothing's changed at this point. How do you react
Speaker 1: to her statement saying that this thing could still go
Speaker 1: off the rails?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, nobody can predict the future, but what
Speaker 6: I can say is that the commissioners came up with
Speaker 6: some terms they wanted to see and the Bengals agreed
Speaker 6: to them. And the Mangles sent an email out to
Speaker 6: their season ticket holders on last Thursday when the commissioners
Speaker 6: voted on this and they said the subject line was
Speaker 6: here to stay. So I think everybody's really really excited
Speaker 6: that they are here to stay. This is going to
Speaker 6: be a new lease and there will be a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of changes. First of all, the Bengals are going
Speaker 6: to pay rents. Second of all, they're going to commit
Speaker 6: some real money to upgrades. Third, they're going to increase
Speaker 6: community access, and they are not going to be vetoing
Speaker 6: development of any of the remaining undeveloped parcels on the
Speaker 6: on the riverfront. So we have a lot of a
Speaker 6: lot of things that are going for us. And also
Speaker 6: there are going to be no new taxes. So so
Speaker 6: I look at it as we've got a very exciting
Speaker 6: future here. All the legal documents have to be drafted,
Speaker 6: and as a lawyer, I know that those take time
Speaker 6: and we have to make sure we dot all our
Speaker 6: eyes and cross all our d's and the Bengals will
Speaker 6: do the same. But I mean, what a great day
Speaker 6: for the community that the county and the Bengals could
Speaker 6: come together and work together for a good deal for everybody.
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm just so thrilled that the Bengals came
Speaker 6: to the table and that's they are embracing a collaborative
Speaker 6: uh process with us. It just it just speaks to
Speaker 6: a really beautiful future we could have.
Speaker 1: You can see why people aren't old jaded by this though,
Speaker 1: right of course. Yeah, yeah, it's been thirty years of
Speaker 1: a bad, bad but you're not going to get and
Speaker 1: use attorney. You appreciates this too. You're not going to
Speaker 1: go from the worst deal to the best deal. It's
Speaker 1: it's going to take a period of deals to get
Speaker 1: this done. But hopefully this is a step in the
Speaker 1: right direction and we'll see what the nuances are here
Speaker 1: inside it. So I appreciate Alsia Reese and you today
Speaker 1: for jumping on the show. Connie Pelachambler County Prosecutor, I
Speaker 1: know you got a role I'm up against news, but
Speaker 1: thanks for taking time out as always, appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1: My pleasure be well, prosecutor of a Hamlet County. There
Speaker 1: you go, damn this thing with that bridge fire. You
Speaker 1: just look at that and go, wait, you started that
Speaker 1: because you just like to start fires. You've let a
Speaker 1: playground structure. Thirty nine year old man doing this Sometimes
Speaker 1: it just is what it is. Right with crime, we
Speaker 1: try to look at different angles on and go, well,
Speaker 1: I think it was the you know I mentioned I
Speaker 1: would look at homeless people to start. Didn't mean they
Speaker 1: did it, but that would be a logical thing as
Speaker 1: well as juveniles. It's Halloween, maybe a bunch of teenagers
Speaker 1: and kids are out there doing some knucklehead kind of
Speaker 1: stuff and it leads to this. But this guy was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I wanted to light the playground because
Speaker 1: I like to start fires. Oh okay, nothing to say here,
Speaker 1: I guess. Fortunately they caught him. Help worked by our
Speaker 1: fire department.
Speaker 8: By the way, that those in the fire services thoughts
Speaker 8: and prayers as you lost a couple of firefighters in
Speaker 8: Idaho where they targeted attack the firefighters in case you
Speaker 8: didn't hear this, were lured to a fire and we're
Speaker 8: subsequently shot by an assailant who's also dead at this point.
Speaker 1: So it's a dangerous job. But then you compound it
Speaker 1: with something like that, it's just a leads you scratching
Speaker 1: your head anyway, got to get the news. Scott's loan
Speaker 1: continues after this, it's mental health Monday. God knows, we needed.
Speaker 1: Julie h is here to talk about. It's seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLWD Cincinnati. Everyone needs help every now and then, and
Speaker 1: she's here to help us get our heads right. This
Speaker 1: is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Headtershire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do it on Mondays because that's when you need
Speaker 1: it the most. Am I right or wrong about that?
Speaker 4: Julie?
Speaker 1: You need it the most one Monday. It's just it's
Speaker 1: too damn much with the heat, the news cycle, it's
Speaker 1: just too much.
Speaker 9: And you're back at work again and life is a grind.
Speaker 10: Weekend is over.
Speaker 1: It is a grind. Sometimes the weekends are grind too.
Speaker 1: There's often and I'll be the weekend going I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to go back to work and take it easy.
Speaker 10: Given the weekends you've been having. I believe that.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, yeah, so you want to you want to
Speaker 1: get in the house business now, good luck with it?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: So let's jump into this one. It's called default parents syndrome.
Speaker 1: And we've had a lot of names for this or
Speaker 1: in the minute you say what it is, default parent syndrome,
Speaker 1: people go oh oh yeah that. So go ahead and
Speaker 1: lay this out in what the issue is okay.
Speaker 9: So default parent syndrome is when you have two parents
Speaker 9: of children in the home and one of them does
Speaker 9: the vast majority of the invisible labor associated with running
Speaker 9: the kids' lives and the home life. It's not that
Speaker 9: they do all the actual execution of things, although they
Speaker 9: often do a lot of it, but they do all
Speaker 9: the invisible labor. They know who needs doctor's appointments, who
Speaker 9: needs scentists appointments, who the doctor and dentist are, and
Speaker 9: how to go about making them, and the other parents
Speaker 9: tends to be the one who says, I'll do anything
Speaker 9: to help, just let me know what I need to do.
Speaker 9: So it becomes like the household manager or the CEO
Speaker 9: and the assistant that they delegate things to on an
Speaker 9: as needed basis. All right, so it's a power and balance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so give me the give me the numbers here.
Speaker 1: How often does fall on mom?
Speaker 9: You know, it's interesting because it frequently historically has fallen
Speaker 9: on mom, and I would say that it still typically does.
Speaker 9: But in same sex couples when they have children, there
Speaker 9: may be two moms, or that may be no mom,
Speaker 9: and so it tends to fall on one parent more
Speaker 9: than the other, and if we think about it, historically,
Speaker 9: it used to be true that generally speaking, one parent
Speaker 9: worked outside the home and the other parent managed the
Speaker 9: home and the children. Now we typically have both parents
Speaker 9: working outside the home at least part time, and still
Speaker 9: the vast majority of the child and home life management
Speaker 9: falls on one of those parents.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. An interesting thing in a dynamic is that
Speaker 1: I grew up in that. My mom was stay at
Speaker 1: home mom, raised your kids, love my mom. And my
Speaker 1: dad would be working in sometimes multiple jobs. He was
Speaker 1: a hustler. I learned that from him. Great work ethic
Speaker 1: my dad had. And now you know, hey, the glass
Speaker 1: ceiling is broken and women are getting theirs and women
Speaker 1: are actually succeeding at greater rates than men, and so
Speaker 1: you'd think this model would change where now okay, hey,
Speaker 1: you know it's more dad, and we live in this
Speaker 1: age and today where men are more accepting and going.
Speaker 1: You know what, Women in the workplace is a wonderful thing.
Speaker 1: I benefit from it. I'm none of my friends benefit
Speaker 1: from it. I'm very rarely do I have a friend
Speaker 1: where it's just one person stays home. That seems to
Speaker 1: be rather antiquated and quaint, But I thought for sure
Speaker 1: that the task of child raising and home management would
Speaker 1: be split. But it's not.
Speaker 9: No, it actually has shifted very little. It actually has
Speaker 9: shifted very little. So women have an entire and I'm
Speaker 9: talking about heterosexual marriages here, typically speaking, women have an
Speaker 9: entire second shift that becomes managing the house, running the
Speaker 9: children places, managing the running of the children places, hiring
Speaker 9: the home help if there is home help, training the
Speaker 9: home help, like training the sitter or the nanny or
Speaker 9: the housekeeper, and managing all of that. And men still
Speaker 9: in a heterosexual relationship tend to fall into the going
Speaker 9: to work, managing the yard, the cars, and the home.
Speaker 10: Maintenance kind of stuff.
Speaker 9: But when it comes to the running of the family's life,
Speaker 9: and those are not unnecessary or unimportant things, so make
Speaker 9: no mistake. But when it comes to running the home
Speaker 9: and the family life, they take a backseat. And they
Speaker 9: frequently say, and I see this in my office all
Speaker 9: the time. They frequently say, all she has to do
Speaker 9: is ask me for help. I'll do anything she tells
Speaker 9: me to or asks me to. All she has to
Speaker 9: do is u And the women in this case say,
Speaker 9: I don't want to have to ask. He walks by
Speaker 9: the overflowing laundry basket ten times a day, a load
Speaker 9: in right, Well, he sees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I will be somewhat defensive here and say
Speaker 1: sometimes and you may hear this in your practice too,
Speaker 1: Julie Hatish. Here is that a guy go, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll jump in and do something, and then I might
Speaker 1: get in trouble because I'm doing it wrong or it's
Speaker 1: not the way she would do it. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well, if I volunteer, it's wrong
Speaker 1: because I should just lean in and accept responsibility, just
Speaker 1: take over. But if I start doing that, she's going
Speaker 1: to feel like her domain is threatened and I'm doing
Speaker 1: it wrong. And so that's another So damn if I
Speaker 1: do damned if I don't. How common is that?
Speaker 10: Exactly? Pretty common? Pretty common?
Speaker 9: And for one thing, there's this concept of weaponized incompetence
Speaker 9: that we may talk about on a future show in
Speaker 9: greater detail, but basically, people who don't, people who don't
Speaker 9: want to do something that they are being asked to do,
Speaker 9: do it badly so that then the person asking says,
Speaker 9: oh my gosh, it's just so.
Speaker 10: Much easier if I do it myself. And so then
Speaker 10: they get out of having to do it.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that's always happening, it is a thing,
Speaker 9: But in this shifting dynamic, we the dominant parent, the
Speaker 9: default parent, has been the one who has thought this
Speaker 9: is their actual job. So if somebody comes in and
Speaker 9: starts to take their job away, of course they're going
Speaker 9: to be a little personicity about how it gets sat
Speaker 9: right and maybe.
Speaker 10: A little reluctance to let go.
Speaker 9: If you've ever had to delegate part of your actual
Speaker 9: job to somebody else, certainly you kind of micromanaged for
Speaker 9: a while and maybe been unhappy with how they did it,
Speaker 9: even though it got done. And so the default parent,
Speaker 9: if they want the other parent to step up, they
Speaker 9: have to learn to step back. And so when I
Speaker 9: talk to my clients about this, it's not just the
Speaker 9: one parent stepping in, but it's the other allowing that
Speaker 9: to happen. It's coming to some agreement about what, for example,
Speaker 9: a clean bathroom looks like, and then taking your hands
Speaker 9: off the wheel and letting the other parent clean the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Right, You've got to relinquish that control. And I could
Speaker 1: sometimes in life because I'm kind of control thinking I
Speaker 1: would be guilty of Dad's like, well, I want to help,
Speaker 1: and I do it it's not right, so yeah, well
Speaker 1: what the hell do you want me to do? And dummy,
Speaker 1: you know I want to help, and now I'm afraid
Speaker 1: to ask because you know you'll be offended. But if
Speaker 1: I don't, then you're still upset. So yeah, I can't win.
Speaker 9: It sometimes takes a little navigating and a little negotiation
Speaker 9: to get to a place where both people feel good
Speaker 9: about what they're doing, but the benefits to relationships and
Speaker 9: the benefits to children in those relationships far out weigh
Speaker 9: the struggle to get there. It's incredibly important for both
Speaker 9: people to feel like they have a partner in this life,
Speaker 9: because really, when we look at two income households and
Speaker 9: children doing as many things as most kids do these days,
Speaker 9: and the demands that perhaps older parents or other family
Speaker 9: members put on us, we need to share the load
Speaker 9: much more equally than we do whether you're a same
Speaker 9: sex household or an opposite sex household. But also, kids
Speaker 9: need to see that both parents participate in their lives.
Speaker 9: They need to see that dad and mom, or mom
Speaker 9: and mom, or dad and dad can take me to
Speaker 9: the doctor nowhere I'm supposed to be when I'm supposed
Speaker 9: to be there just one parent I can go to
Speaker 9: for these things. I have two adults in my life
Speaker 9: who care about me and are engaged and involved.
Speaker 1: It's called default parent syndrome and it's the source of
Speaker 1: a lot of marital strife and divorces for that matter.
Speaker 1: Or Juliettershare, a licensed mental health therapist on the show
Speaker 1: It's Mental Health Monday with Julie on seven hundred w
Speaker 1: W Scott's Loan Show, and this I could totally make
Speaker 1: sense because the issue is the fact that, hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're married and we're sharing this, but I'm
Speaker 1: burnt out because I feel I'm working, but I'm also
Speaker 1: being the manager of the household as well, and I
Speaker 1: feel like instead of maybe two kids, I have three
Speaker 1: if you include my significant other. I'm sure it does
Speaker 1: happen where you know, men are involved in that too,
Speaker 1: but largely it has done about eighty percent on moms
Speaker 1: and the female in the house. Unfortunately that hasn't changed
Speaker 1: too much. So how do you fix this?
Speaker 9: Well, first of all, you recognize that it's a real problem.
Speaker 9: And when I get people in my office and the
Speaker 9: man says, you know, I'll do anything that she tells
Speaker 9: me or asked me too.
Speaker 10: I say, if you had.
Speaker 9: An employee who only did exactly what you asked when
Speaker 9: you asked, and only that one time, would you keep
Speaker 9: that employee around? And they typically say no, And I say, well,
Speaker 9: welcome to her world. Because if she has to ask
Speaker 9: you every time to take the trash out, or every
Speaker 9: time to do the laundry er, every time to pick
Speaker 9: up the kids after school, then she's having to manage
Speaker 9: you and everything else she's having to manage. So bringing
Speaker 9: awareness to it, making the invisible visible, making the implicit explicit,
Speaker 9: letting people know the amount of work that goes into
Speaker 9: managing a family's life, and then helping the woman put
Speaker 9: in this case in a heterosexual relationship, helping the default
Speaker 9: parent back off and transfer responsibility and let the consequences
Speaker 9: fall where the consequences fall, So not reminding the other
Speaker 9: parent to check the entire soccer bag and if the
Speaker 9: kid gets there and they don't have their shin guards,
Speaker 9: well what's that parent going to do? So allowing the
Speaker 9: consequences to happen so that people can see what needs
Speaker 9: to occur on the front end. Sometimes we learn best
Speaker 9: by consequences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how do you make someone suffer those consequences?
Speaker 1: What does that look like? It's like, okay, well we're
Speaker 1: going to agree to do this, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: then what happens? I mean, how do you get that
Speaker 1: other person to.
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 9: In my example, then the kid goes to the game
Speaker 9: without the shin guards. And when I'm talking to couples
Speaker 9: about this, I will say, okay, so if the default
Speaker 9: parent died tomorrow, would you make sure your kid had
Speaker 9: shin guards? And if your kid didn't have shin guards
Speaker 9: for the soccer game, would you figure something out? Would
Speaker 9: you leave them there with another parent and go buy
Speaker 9: a pair? Would you see if you can borrow some
Speaker 9: from the team from someone else on the team.
Speaker 10: What would you do?
Speaker 9: So empowering the non default parent to step in in
Speaker 9: problem solve something They may not have had to step
Speaker 9: in problem solve before because it's been taken care of
Speaker 9: on the front end. But if that other parent weren't there, right,
Speaker 9: if that other parent weren't there and they got to
Speaker 9: the game without a water bottle or a soccer shin
Speaker 9: guards or whatever, they have to figure something out. And
Speaker 9: part of it is the default parent then stepping back
Speaker 9: and letting that happen, letting that occur, and letting the
Speaker 9: kid and the parent in this case figure it out.
Speaker 9: So the natural consequences of not being prepared on the
Speaker 9: front end are you've got to figure something out on
Speaker 9: the back end, and once you do that once or twice,
Speaker 9: you're not going to be doing that again.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also a good lesson for the kid, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, and if it's if it's a four or
Speaker 1: five year old, much different than than an eight or
Speaker 1: ten year old. I mean, by eight, nine, ten, you
Speaker 1: should be remember to bring your own bad or your
Speaker 1: glove or your shin guards. It's on you.
Speaker 9: Exactly exactly, And so that teaches cooperation and empowerment to
Speaker 9: everyone involved. But if the default parent tries too hard
Speaker 9: to prevent anything from going wrong, then the non default
Speaker 9: parent doesn't really learn how to manage when things do
Speaker 9: go wrong, and they do. It's just natural.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a little bit of this play maybe on
Speaker 1: that default parent.
Speaker 10: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't say blame, I'd say responsibility. They both share responsibility,
Speaker 9: the default parent overfunctions and the non default parent under functions.
Speaker 9: And you can't just ask one to step up. You
Speaker 9: also have to ask the other to step back and
Speaker 9: give them concrete ways to do that.
Speaker 10: Because when you shift.
Speaker 9: That power imbalance and it becomes more fluid and more equitable,
Speaker 9: everybody wins. The non default parent steps in and has
Speaker 9: many more rich and full experiences with their kids than
Speaker 9: they would otherwise have had. And I've got a personal
Speaker 9: story about this. When I did grad school, my kids
Speaker 9: were young, and my then husband worked a very busy,
Speaker 9: very demanding job, and my grad school schedule did not
Speaker 9: coordinate very well.
Speaker 10: With my kids' school schedules.
Speaker 9: So he had to be much more on point in
Speaker 9: the afternoons and evenings when I was in school for
Speaker 9: two years than he had had to be before, and
Speaker 9: he juggled his life around to make that happen. And
Speaker 9: at the end of my school he said those were
Speaker 9: some of the two best years of his life. He
Speaker 9: had no idea how much he was missing when he
Speaker 9: was not with the boys, and he had no idea
Speaker 9: how much better their relationship would be as a result
Speaker 9: of that, and he was grateful.
Speaker 10: For that time. But had that not happened, we would.
Speaker 9: Have continued on with him coming home in the evenings
Speaker 9: and being home on the weekends and me doing the
Speaker 9: vast majority of the work during.
Speaker 1: The week Oh wow yeah, and sometimes think, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I've got really stressful at work, but you don't put
Speaker 1: yourself because you think it's an easy job being the
Speaker 1: manager of the household. And that's not true at all, Julie,
Speaker 1: Before I let you go, sadly, we know that money
Speaker 1: is the biggest driver of divorce in America. It's always been.
Speaker 1: That's the constant behind that maybe in Fidelli, but what
Speaker 1: does this rate?
Speaker 10: It's right now, it's right up there. In my practice.
Speaker 9: I don't know the national statistics, but I will tell
Speaker 9: you in my practice, a lot of people, men and women,
Speaker 9: are fed up with doing all of the work and
Speaker 9: essentially being a single parent in a two parent home,
Speaker 9: and when they can't get their partners on board, they're
Speaker 9: cutting out because they're saying, if I have to be
Speaker 9: a single parent, I may as well actually be a
Speaker 9: single parent and only have to do it part of
Speaker 9: the time, because then the other part of the time,
Speaker 9: my partner's with the kids and I get a little
Speaker 9: bit of a break. So it's on the rise.
Speaker 1: May have money and infidelity, I get those, but this
Speaker 1: one bothers me deeply because you're throwing a relationship away,
Speaker 1: love away because of basically schedules of modern society and.
Speaker 9: An unwillingness on either one or both partner's parts to
Speaker 9: shift the relationship dynamic enough to make it work for both.
Speaker 9: So therapy helps. I always say therapy helps, but recognizing
Speaker 9: that if you want somebody to step up, you also
Speaker 9: have to step back and not be hypercritical of how
Speaker 9: they do the job and not micromanage how they do
Speaker 9: the job.
Speaker 10: That's important too.
Speaker 1: She's Julie Hattershare, our license mental health therapist right here
Speaker 1: in Cincy, and it's Mental Health Monday with Julie Hattershare,
Speaker 1: and she joins this time, have week got a idea
Speaker 1: for maybe a future topic. It's Hey, Julie at B
Speaker 1: connected to od care the letter B connected dot care
Speaker 1: and you can reach out to her directly. We'll talk
Speaker 1: next week. You have a great one. Thanks again, good.
Speaker 10: Stuff, Thank you, take care, Bye bye.
Speaker 1: News is on the way in just seconds here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred ww W. In return, she's Councilmember Anna Alby
Speaker 1: appearing on the show for the first time since he
Speaker 1: has a crime plan. Well that's good because we need one.
Speaker 1: Last night, the Bay Horse Cafe, which I frequent I'm downtown.
Speaker 1: Love that bar got shot up in another drive by
Speaker 1: that consecutive sundays we had something like that happen. What's
Speaker 1: the plan stand next seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. It'slani here
Speaker 1: back on seven hundred ww Sadly two Sunday nights in
Speaker 1: a row gunfire in the area around aeronoff the air
Speaker 1: and off. Last night. I was just down there for
Speaker 1: a wedding on Saturday out that way, and so last
Speaker 1: night bullets flew through the front of the Bay Horse Caf.
Speaker 1: I love the Bay Horse Cafe, by the way, there's
Speaker 1: something about the Neon Horse, and it's just a cool
Speaker 1: vibe inside that bar. But I was shocked to see
Speaker 1: plywood on the windows this morning. And this after city
Speaker 1: leaders rolled out a new plan, the latest plan to
Speaker 1: combat shootings. Let's not forget we had two Sunday in
Speaker 1: s in a row bullet shot around where people are gathering.
Speaker 1: I think it was like just after eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: and they just had a new plan unveiled to combat crime,
Speaker 1: particularly youth violence and everything else downtown. And she was
Speaker 1: part of this and that would be council Member Anna
Speaker 1: Alby on the Scottslane Show, I believe for the first
Speaker 1: time on seven hundred wlw welcome. It's great to have you.
Speaker 3: Oh, good morning. Thank you so much. I appreciate the
Speaker 3: insight and I'm glad to be here with you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard. I think you said too. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not going to solve this with one
Speaker 1: bit of an idea or legislation or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It's an ongoing battle because people going to shoot, right.
Speaker 1: And it's true because I know you rolled out the
Speaker 1: act plan where we had that space over a year ago. Right,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you got all these adolescents that
Speaker 1: have guns and they're shooting each other. You had what
Speaker 1: three or four people under fourteen dine accidental shoot and
Speaker 1: everything else. And it's just it's a sad, sad thing.
Speaker 1: But that was the old plan and now we have
Speaker 1: a new plan and so we just I think to
Speaker 1: maybe people listening, it feels like we're just cadding, adding
Speaker 1: more plans and the feel is we're not making progress.
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: Well, I think this isn't necessarily new plan, but part
Speaker 3: of it so let me take a step back and
Speaker 3: just talk big picture for a second. You know, tackling
Speaker 3: gun violence or any kind of violence. You know, it's
Speaker 3: got to be a multifaceted approach, right, We got to
Speaker 3: look at everything from you know, how are we supporting
Speaker 3: law enforcement making sure we've got boots on the ground there,
Speaker 3: to how are we providing those fostering safe communities right
Speaker 3: making sure people housing, access to food, good paying jobs,
Speaker 3: all of that. So you mentioned it already expercinity, so
Speaker 3: that stands for achieving change together. So we rolled that
Speaker 3: out January, I want to say this year, and there's
Speaker 3: kind of five main pillars there. The first one is
Speaker 3: thriving neighborhoods Again, how do we make places in Cincinnati
Speaker 3: safe for people to be whether that's you know, there
Speaker 3: mayos or being able to go down to the garden,
Speaker 3: you know, the pocket garden on this corner or whatever.
Speaker 3: The second part is reducing access of guns for kids,
Speaker 3: and I want to make sure we talk about this
Speaker 3: a little bit more because that is a big challenge
Speaker 3: right now. The next two makes sense. It's improving well
Speaker 3: being and improving youth support. So making sure we're providing
Speaker 3: folks access to not just mental health, but like emotional
Speaker 3: well being, especially folks who've been impacted by trauma in
Speaker 3: the past, and then improving youth support. The emphasis there
Speaker 3: is how do we give kids safe places to be
Speaker 3: in safe adults to be with, So you can think
Speaker 3: of Boys and Gholst Club or other organizations like what
Speaker 3: Mitch Morris does to give kids safe places to be
Speaker 3: after school and on weekends. And the last piece is
Speaker 3: evidence based policing. I think that one's pretty makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense, right. We understand what that means and
Speaker 3: how we let data drive the process. So what we
Speaker 3: talked about are introduced last week around some of the
Speaker 3: tactics we're going to be already are Sipploying Downtown really
Speaker 3: roll up into one or many of those buckets, right,
Speaker 3: So evidence at based policing we talked about we're going
Speaker 3: to have drones now that are going to be able
Speaker 3: to help augment our first responders and get there quickly.
Speaker 3: We're going to have a roving task force that can
Speaker 3: really focus on hot spots in the community that we're
Speaker 3: going to have shots. We're going to be expanding Shot
Speaker 3: Spotter and that comes with a lot of great information
Speaker 3: on the back end because that connects to our Crime
Speaker 3: Gun Intelligence Center, so there's a lot there. And then
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about the reducing access of guns
Speaker 3: for kids. A big problem right now is that people
Speaker 3: are leaving their guns unsecured in their car, and kids
Speaker 3: are breaking in stealing a gun and leaving a gun
Speaker 3: under the front seat of your driver, you know, of
Speaker 3: the car just isn't a safe place for it. So
Speaker 3: that's one big message I want to make sure we
Speaker 3: share with all our responsible gun owners that yeah, you're
Speaker 3: gun with you in the car, it's got to be
Speaker 3: locked in.
Speaker 1: And I will say this as a responsible gun owner
Speaker 1: that if I'm carrying I have a lock box, make
Speaker 1: sure I have a lock box for that weapon. Knowing
Speaker 1: people are breaking into cars and stealing those, well, now,
Speaker 1: could they cut the cable or what it possibly, But
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's going to dissuade something. I'm doing the
Speaker 1: best I can, right And I think maybe you know
Speaker 1: our gun laws too. At times I look at it going, well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of most areas you can't carry a gun,
Speaker 1: and so you have no choice. You hear these stories
Speaker 1: about shootings and drive buys and all this nonsense Downtown
Speaker 1: is noise Downtown and OTR and Patrick Herringer, and it
Speaker 1: makes more people want to carry It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 1: If I'm coming downtown because I want to spend my
Speaker 1: money enjoy my city, which I love so much, I
Speaker 1: feel maybe I have to protect myself because of these
Speaker 1: stories that I hear. But then I can't take it anywhere,
Speaker 1: and I've got to leave it in the car, which
Speaker 1: is It's like it's it's cyclical, is what it is.
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again you know, if you, if any responsible
Speaker 3: guner wants to carry their firearms, that is their right,
Speaker 3: especially in Ohio, but you can't take it into like
Speaker 3: a Bengals game or Reds game. And that's what we're
Speaker 3: thinking of those major events. That's where I really am
Speaker 3: trying to work with Susini Sweet as well as the
Speaker 3: groups that can offer rate our garages to make sure
Speaker 3: we're emphasizing that Walck box piece. So I'm going to
Speaker 3: be actually meeting with the CPD later today and we're
Speaker 3: going to be talking about a new parking lot of
Speaker 3: assessments where we're going to be looking at the security
Speaker 3: around some of these parking lots and emphasizing, hey, you
Speaker 3: got to lock up your things. Not only is a
Speaker 3: safety piece, right, having easy access to guns and the streets,
Speaker 3: you make our streets more dangerou especially if their hands
Speaker 3: to kids. Also, like someone wants to come and have
Speaker 3: their window broken in on their car and their firearm,
Speaker 3: which costs lots of money stolen, right, So we really
Speaker 3: want to do what we can here, and so I'm
Speaker 3: leaving a whole action peed dedicated to securifyarm storage to
Speaker 3: really get this message out as bes we can.
Speaker 1: Two years ago, the big concern was community guns, and
Speaker 1: that is a gun left in a neighborhood, everyone knows
Speaker 1: where it is. Kids are getting the gun, committing crimes
Speaker 1: or accidentally shooting each other, whatever might be, because you
Speaker 1: know the gun is and multiple people use that gun,
Speaker 1: multiple hands on that gun. And now it's about stolen
Speaker 1: guns and more guns on the street that way. It
Speaker 1: seems like they just keep finding a better way, I guess,
Speaker 1: to get guns they shouldn't have in the first place.
Speaker 1: To me, the lock boxing comes back. It sounds like
Speaker 1: legislation is forthcoming on this and saying listen, if you
Speaker 1: carry a gun and leave in your cards and it's
Speaker 1: not locked up. There's a penalty for that. Am I
Speaker 1: wrong rereading the tea leaves there?
Speaker 3: Oh Man Scott? I wish that were true, but unfortunately
Speaker 3: our state has passed what it's called a pre empsine
Speaker 3: law that prevents local municipalities from passing any type of
Speaker 3: gun laws. In fact, in twenty twenty three, we tried
Speaker 3: to require secure firm storage specifically when kids are around,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately lost that case. The state stud us and
Speaker 3: we lost that case in court last year. And I
Speaker 3: think this is a broader point, which is the state
Speaker 3: of Ohio has passed, you know, dangerous gun laws repeatedly
Speaker 3: in loosen gun regulations, which has really led to a
Speaker 3: proliferation and guns on our streets because right now in Ohio,
Speaker 3: you can buy a gun, no background, teck, no permit,
Speaker 3: no training, no nothing, and go out and carry it
Speaker 3: to field weapons in our neighborhoods. And that just makes
Speaker 3: it more dangerous when we've got like kind of the
Speaker 3: Wild West of guns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the mistake, of course is there's it
Speaker 1: seems like every area I can't carry my weapon in,
Speaker 1: so why bring it in the first place? But he
Speaker 1: do it's in the car. I think there's also got
Speaker 1: to be responsibility on the part of the gun owner
Speaker 1: to lock their stuff up. If you can afford the
Speaker 1: bullets in the eight nine, you know, seven eight hundred
Speaker 1: dollars gun, you can afford a lock box or that thing.
Speaker 1: But again, it's the burden being on the good guys
Speaker 1: opposed to the bad guy, because let's face it, there
Speaker 1: are people out there that will run with impunity. I
Speaker 1: think there's also a cultural element here, Anna, I'll be
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the Ryan the Ryan Hinton shooting,
Speaker 1: and you know, we always talk about culture, culture, culture,
Speaker 1: but this one to me to see people that say
Speaker 1: that Ryan Hint was done dirty because he was shot
Speaker 1: and he wasn't pointing that gun at cops, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how members of a community can
Speaker 1: think that it's that somehow he was wronged by being
Speaker 1: shot near those dumpsters. That if you run with a
Speaker 1: gun in your hand and you're in the police, you're
Speaker 1: going to get shot. That's what's going to happen. Now,
Speaker 1: you may live, Ryan hidden did not, but his three
Speaker 1: buddies live to get caught by police and spend time
Speaker 1: in jail. They're not dead, They're alive because they didn't
Speaker 1: pick up the other gun that was in the car.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. These aren't kids. These are adults
Speaker 1: that are interpreting this. And then kids would listen go yeah,
Speaker 1: they're right. In what world is it that it's okay
Speaker 1: for someone who is being pursued by police to hold
Speaker 1: a gun in his hand and run anywhere near them.
Speaker 1: That's insane to me that that people still make excuses
Speaker 1: for his behavior. That's also part of the problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the whole Ryan's hinting situations absolutely tragic
Speaker 3: from beginning to end. And but for me, you know,
Speaker 3: if you think about bigger picture, I don't know Ryan's
Speaker 3: full life story, but as I think about use in
Speaker 3: our city, it's how can we support them with that
Speaker 3: safe neighborhood?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: You heard me talk about safe places, safe spaces, and
Speaker 3: that's why you mentioned earlier the idea. A couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, we saw big spike in gun violence, both
Speaker 3: with kids being shot and being the shooters. So the
Speaker 3: city has really poured a lot of time, effort, resources
Speaker 3: into tackling youth gun violence and use violence, whether that's
Speaker 3: from being able to fund our community partners who are
Speaker 3: providing those safe places to programs like we've got the
Speaker 3: teen Skate Night down it toward your point right now
Speaker 3: every Friday night and Recot Night, our award winning record
Speaker 3: night every Saturday night in Avondale and the West End,
Speaker 3: where we're giving kids from five o'clock to I think
Speaker 3: eleven a safe place to be where they can come
Speaker 3: get their haircut, they can come get their nails done,
Speaker 3: there's food, fun activities, and again, how can we get
Speaker 3: kids into that space? How can we give kids a
Speaker 3: pathway into goods, paying stable jobs, especially once who are
Speaker 3: looking to provide for their families. And that's the bigger
Speaker 3: environmental piece of how do we create safe communities where
Speaker 3: people are being paid enough to afford a roof over
Speaker 3: their head, fresh food on the table, and access to
Speaker 3: healthcare because fundamentally, that's what it means to have united
Speaker 3: safety to me, right, we can add in the law
Speaker 3: enforcement keep part of it as well, but those basic
Speaker 3: needs are just so foremost important to all of that.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: She is a council member and I'll be on Scott's
Speaker 1: own show seven hundred WWD talking about the crime planet
Speaker 1: came out in this on the heels of the last
Speaker 1: two Sunday nights, we've had shootings in high profile places.
Speaker 1: Last night it was right in front of the Bay
Speaker 1: Horse Cafe. The windows are shattered. At least one window
Speaker 1: shattered there in a shooting just after eleven o'clock as
Speaker 1: the city and this had be a council member alb
Speaker 1: Scottie Johnson, but also the police chief and the mayor
Speaker 1: having a press conference with a new plan that come
Speaker 1: up with a roving task force and a drawn program
Speaker 1: and business partnerships and parking, a lot of security, youth
Speaker 1: crime focus, one hundred and fifty plus officers approved for
Speaker 1: next year's budget, all steps in the right direction as
Speaker 1: we talk about solving this problem in the short term too,
Speaker 1: at least trying to tamp this thing down because the
Speaker 1: perception is there's a lot of areas of Cincinnati that
Speaker 1: are unsafe. That may be true at times. For sure,
Speaker 1: OTR crime is through the roof year over year, and
Speaker 1: it's up to police to make sure they crack down
Speaker 1: in those areas. You know, one other thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up too, Anaholbe, is the ankle monitor thing.
Speaker 1: You know, the youth crime focus is there. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into prontal accountabilit which you're can talk to
Speaker 1: in a second. More and I love more youth services.
Speaker 1: If you can people can play, well, why do we
Speaker 1: keep having these programs? Well, if you can get some
Speaker 1: of these young people diverted and off the street into
Speaker 1: something that's engaging, that's less chance for them to commit
Speaker 1: a crime. I understand that. I appreciate that the cutting
Speaker 1: off there, and you mentioned jobs too, I think it's
Speaker 1: a big component. I'm a huge advocate for the construction
Speaker 1: industry and would love to hire as many folks like
Speaker 1: that as possible. And you want to talk about life
Speaker 1: changing jobs, but and they're out there, it's just you
Speaker 1: have to seize that opportunity. I think there's a huge disconnect.
Speaker 1: But relative to the ankle monitors too, one of the
Speaker 1: things that bothers me is that someone can cut off
Speaker 1: ankle monitors and still be on the loose. And we've
Speaker 1: seen that recently, but even going back to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four with the youth violence, we had a number offenders
Speaker 1: that simply cut their ankle bracelet off and there's there's
Speaker 1: no repercussion for that. That's got to stop.
Speaker 3: Well, man, I mean, my heart breaks for for for
Speaker 3: Para Harring and her family, and I think you know,
Speaker 3: my heart's absolutely breaks. But part of what's come out
Speaker 3: of this and her advocacy has been identifying a system breakdown.
Speaker 3: And you know, the mayor has been very vocal on
Speaker 3: this really tracking down where the disconnect was, and there
Speaker 3: are going to be reforms there already are reforms in
Speaker 3: place because you're right, that was that was a gap.
Speaker 3: You know, we need to be alerted at the local
Speaker 3: level if something like that happens, so we can activate
Speaker 3: and really make sure we track down that that individual.
Speaker 3: So that that is one big step forward that we're taking,
Speaker 3: and it starts with the state level and the full
Speaker 3: board and all of that, but that really support us
Speaker 3: here locally as we try to keep folks safe, because
Speaker 3: it should should not take a death or a tragedy
Speaker 3: like that to shine a light on this this gap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get that there's program to support and
Speaker 1: also to steer youth in the right direction. But back
Speaker 1: to Sarah hand She, I'm sure you saw the feed
Speaker 1: here on our Facebook feed mention what you're talking about
Speaker 1: here and the press conference who renounced all this and
Speaker 1: said they didn't present new solutions, they didn't take accountability.
Speaker 1: They threw out program names like shot spot and the
Speaker 1: Pivot program, but there's zero public data proving these initiatives
Speaker 1: are effective. They keep funding them anyway because it looks
Speaker 1: like action. It's not strategy, it's optics. What do you
Speaker 1: say to people like Sarah and others who feel like
Speaker 1: and even those members of the Cinnati Police Department. Quite honestly,
Speaker 1: I talked to off the record and they're like, we're frustrated.
Speaker 1: This place is a mess right now. It's all about
Speaker 1: these you know, feel good policies and no one wants
Speaker 1: to take action. Actually, sadly, we're gonna have to crack
Speaker 1: some heads, get more cops on the streets and go
Speaker 1: after really bad offenders and throw the book at them
Speaker 1: and make sure it sticks.
Speaker 3: Well, I think again, there's not one magic wand solution.
Speaker 3: If there were, we would be doing in cinematics. So
Speaker 3: with every place in the United States, right, that's just
Speaker 3: the matters. But we got to do all of the
Speaker 3: things right, So when it comes to more officers on
Speaker 3: the street, yeah, we're working on it, right. It is
Speaker 3: a shame that council City councils before my time, Uh,
Speaker 3: you have didn't invest in police recruit classes, and now
Speaker 3: we are trying to make up that gap you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3: We've got you know, two classes of a fifty new
Speaker 3: recruits plus a new lateral class that we've approuved for
Speaker 3: next year, and that's to get more officers onto the streets.
Speaker 3: Supporting people in the lateral class just for background through
Speaker 3: your listeners, right, that's pulling officers from nearby municipalities, putting
Speaker 3: them through a kind of shortened training that's Cincinnati specific,
Speaker 3: so they understand what we do at CPD, but getting
Speaker 3: them on the streets faster with experience. Right, these are
Speaker 3: officers coming in with years under their belt. So do
Speaker 3: that piece as well as the you know, following the data.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, the thing about shots Spotter which
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier is like we're able to use the
Speaker 3: evidence too with shotspotters that sees into our Crime Gun
Speaker 3: Intelligence Center, the DIGI, which is a partnership with local
Speaker 3: law enforcement agencies here, but as well as the ATS
Speaker 3: right the FED where we actually are you know, tracking
Speaker 3: the ballistics off of you know, the shelves to be
Speaker 3: able to see exactly Hey, was the same gun used
Speaker 3: in this shooting over here, that was using this shooting
Speaker 3: over here over here to do really directed investigations to
Speaker 3: track down active shooters. And we know that in the
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati, the majority of the geographic area states Right.
Speaker 3: In March March, I think it was when CPD came
Speaker 3: to council, which presents, you know, kind of the crime stats,
Speaker 3: to debate one of the one of the maps they
Speaker 3: shared showed that it's only a high percent of the
Speaker 3: city's geographic area that contains these increased rates of violent
Speaker 3: crime and shooting victims.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's why you hear us talk so much about
Speaker 3: the place based problem solving is right, because we want
Speaker 3: to go to those hot spots. And that's exactly what
Speaker 3: pivot is. You go to the hot spot and you
Speaker 3: try to figure out, Okay, what's happening in this spot
Speaker 3: which is making it a place where crime is happening.
Speaker 3: And some of it could be you know, some economics,
Speaker 3: environmental factors, and some things are like okay, we need
Speaker 3: to get like lights on the street, we need to
Speaker 3: increase patrols, we need to have cameras. Right, it's the
Speaker 3: crime prevention through environmental design, and I.
Speaker 1: Think the I think the drone program is good. I
Speaker 1: mean that's using that's leveraging technology to help stop, prevent
Speaker 1: or solve crimes. For sure, she is council Member Anna Alby,
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed the conversation, the discussion. Hope to have
Speaker 1: you back sometime soon.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Take care b well, thank you so much, council Member Alby.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they have been playing super well and it's been
Speaker 4: that late game comeback that they've seemingly added to their
Speaker 4: arsenal that they didn't have before. Yeah. Yeah, Sure, they're
Speaker 4: doing some really good things on the lineup side of things, Tony,
Speaker 4: and they're really coming together at an important time. I mean,
Speaker 4: like you said, the teeth of the schedule, they can
Speaker 4: just remain what they're at and then they take a
Speaker 4: run against the Rockies and the Marlins before the All
Speaker 4: Star break. They're going to be cooking with gad.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens there real quick before again yesterday's
Speaker 1: three two walk off when the Reds finding out in
Speaker 1: the world finding out Dave Parker passing away at the
Speaker 1: age of seventy four, just missing his induction to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He said he's had the speech written
Speaker 1: for a while. I would have loved to hear that,
Speaker 1: but sadly that passed away with him. The Cobra was
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. I remember seeing him at Riverfront and then
Speaker 1: when I lived for I think a year and a
Speaker 1: half in Milwaukee, he was with the Brewers near the
Speaker 1: end of his career and I saw him trying to
Speaker 1: leg out a double. He was safe, but the cloud
Speaker 1: of dust created when that man slid into second is
Speaker 1: probably still hovering somewhere over Milwaukee County, if not. Kenosha.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I love looking back on some old highlights
Speaker 4: like that of Dave Parker, because that's the guy that
Speaker 4: I think. He's just another case that baseball just isn't
Speaker 4: that great at celebrating its history at the right time.
Speaker 4: He absolutely deserved his day that he would have hearing
Speaker 4: about a month, but they waited far too long to
Speaker 4: put him into the hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kremlin, it really is. If anything, the fact
Speaker 1: that he would take his warm ups with a sledgehammer,
Speaker 1: that's something you just don't see anymore.
Speaker 4: Sledge that that's like different, Like you know, you always
Speaker 4: talk about it. Man, a guy can do the ball
Speaker 4: a country mile least country strong, Dave Parker was something
Speaker 4: even passed that.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: The fielding too, and you've all seen and I remember
Speaker 1: watching it as a little kid in seventy to seventy
Speaker 1: nine All Star Game. Ball hit down was a rice hit.
Speaker 1: The ball on the right field line kind of bounces
Speaker 1: between was Joe Morgan I think was out, and the
Speaker 1: ball bounced up and Dave ran backwards, caught it, fired
Speaker 1: the ball through him out of third base. One of
Speaker 1: the best All Star plays, probably right up there with
Speaker 1: Pete Rose and Ray Fosse.
Speaker 4: He is. The things that he did in his career
Speaker 4: are just, I mean absolutely worthy of Cooperstown. I think
Speaker 4: it's crazy that it's taken this long to get.
Speaker 1: Him, and that arm was unbelievable. All right, So yesterday
Speaker 1: the Reds, by the way, going into this see I
Speaker 1: watched the podcast oh for thirty four going to yesterday
Speaker 1: when trailing after eight, Will Benson changed at yesterday walk
Speaker 1: off bottom of the ninth the down two two to one,
Speaker 1: they somehow come up with two runs in the eighth.
Speaker 1: Ellie gets on steer his an RBI and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's tied. And then Will Benson doubles the lead.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Will Benson in the previous ab
Speaker 1: he doubled the lead off, nobody could drive him. And
Speaker 1: I'm listening to his game driving back from visiting my
Speaker 1: wife's parents yesterday, and I'm like pounding the steering wheel, going,
Speaker 1: how the hell can you lead off with the double
Speaker 1: and not drive the guy in.
Speaker 4: I was right there with you. I mean, as much
Speaker 4: as he tried, he seemingly just had no help there
Speaker 4: in the eighth inning. But it was great that he
Speaker 4: came up with runners on in the ninth inning so
Speaker 4: that he could He just looked really good at the
Speaker 4: plate yesterday. He was seeing his pitch as well. But
Speaker 4: that whole ninth inning was just full of really good
Speaker 4: at bats. Whether you look at Will Benson's single that
Speaker 4: walked off the game, or you see Gavin Lux's walk
Speaker 4: where he saw the before him and Austin Hayes that
Speaker 4: Austin Hayes never saw a strike, and Hayes was going
Speaker 4: up there. He was aggressive. He wanted to bring Ellie
Speaker 4: home and tie the game. And Robert Suarez, the closer
Speaker 4: for the Padres, knew that, so he didn't give him
Speaker 4: anything to swing at, and yet Hayes still ended up
Speaker 4: getting himself out. So then Gavin Lux was daring him
Speaker 4: to throw a strike. He didn't. He gets on first
Speaker 4: and Ellie does a cruiz though to lead off that.
Speaker 4: In my goodness, he has had some amazing at bats
Speaker 4: here recently that have shown me. And we've talked a
Speaker 4: lot about Ellie this year, obviously with good reason. He's
Speaker 4: the best player on this team, but his renaissance this
Speaker 4: year and really what's gotten him to the point that
Speaker 4: he's at has been his plate discipline and his growth
Speaker 4: in pitch recognition. And he was on full display yesterday
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked really really good and just watching and
Speaker 1: I think the other element here too, I was talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, all the a and being able to get
Speaker 1: this thing done in the end, and Will Benson's double
Speaker 1: is that the guy's mc kind of quiet and just
Speaker 1: having a hell of a couple of weeks has been
Speaker 1: Spencer Steer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been coming up with clutch hits. Every time
Speaker 4: you need him to get a single, he's been dropping
Speaker 4: that in and then of course on Friday he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm done hitting singles. Let's hit a couple of homers
Speaker 4: and his three home runs in one game and had
Speaker 4: a chance at a fourth. He just ended up striking
Speaker 4: out in that fourth at that But I've been very
Speaker 4: impressed with his turnaround. That's been the biggest key for
Speaker 4: how this Red's lineup has really looked a lot better
Speaker 4: is that Matt McClain is looking more like himself. He's
Speaker 4: still not all the way back yet, but he's looking
Speaker 4: a lot more like himself. And Spencer Steer has regained
Speaker 4: his composure as that steadying force in the five or
Speaker 4: six spot in the lineup.
Speaker 1: What McClay do this series, I didn't see it because
Speaker 1: for a while, I mean, he got hot and then
Speaker 1: he cooled off again, and it talk about up and
Speaker 1: down with this guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was pretty why in this one not the
Speaker 4: best of the series, but it's still looking like you
Speaker 4: sitting the ball really well. I'm not worried that he's
Speaker 4: going to fall back to where he was. He just
Speaker 4: hadn't quite continue that tourd base against all Right.
Speaker 1: Well you hope, so you hope that's the case. Anyway,
Speaker 1: He's Jeff Carvery Monday morning. We chop up the series
Speaker 1: the past. But look, I've had done and you've got
Speaker 1: big ones coming up here in just a second. But
Speaker 1: Red's win another series at six of their last seven.
Speaker 1: If you're County and they're just man, they're hanging on.
Speaker 1: We're waiting for teams ahead of them to stubble in
Speaker 1: the Chicago lost yesterday as well, so they're they're kind
Speaker 1: of hanging in there too. And it's it's pretty condensed
Speaker 1: in the NL Central I and they still got a
Speaker 1: shot here. For those saying, hey, you're two and a
Speaker 1: half wild card games back, I don't know, You've got
Speaker 1: a whole second half of baseball to play here. And
Speaker 1: it's not like they're the pirates at this point, right,
Speaker 1: you're only five out.
Speaker 4: Right in the Central itself. I mean even the Brewers
Speaker 4: lost yesterday and a walk off to the Rockies and
Speaker 4: extra endies by the way, game winning hit by Kyle
Speaker 4: Farmer in that one by Red. You know he's still
Speaker 4: helping out Cincinnati, and though he's not on the Reds,
Speaker 4: but also, I mean you mentioned the Pirates that he
Speaker 4: actually did the Reds a big favor this weekend too
Speaker 4: by beating up on the Mets. There's definitely a few
Speaker 4: teams in the wildcard race that you know, we're sort
Speaker 4: of looking ahead and there's plenty of time left to
Speaker 4: build a wildcard resume. But the Reds are only a
Speaker 4: game and a half out of a wildcard spot because
Speaker 4: of the work they did against the Padres. And oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, the Pirates are helping him out by
Speaker 4: beating up on the Mets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've been remiss too.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Saturday's loss, I think Andrew Rabbits deserved better because he
Speaker 1: pitched a pretty good game to a chance to win
Speaker 1: Saturday in the nine Spencer Steer at the play two
Speaker 1: runners on and you know, as you said, he struck out.
Speaker 1: They lose at six to four. But on Friday Night,
Speaker 1: that was something special to see Martinez with a no
Speaker 1: hitter through eight and that's a guy that really needed
Speaker 1: to have a good game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy to think the workload that he's been
Speaker 4: doing this past really it was just eight days pitched
Speaker 4: four times and eight days. On June nineteenth, he barely
Speaker 4: got you know, I mean, he didn't get out of
Speaker 4: the thirty and he was pitching horrible. He was getting
Speaker 4: absolutely clobbered, and so Terry Francona and then came up
Speaker 4: with a plan where he was going to pitch out
Speaker 4: of the bullpen for a couple of days to maybe
Speaker 4: like that something in his mind. And kudos to them,
Speaker 4: it worked because then he gets his longest start of
Speaker 4: his career, throws the most pitches he's ever thrown in
Speaker 4: one start on Friday night there, and that was something
Speaker 4: to see because he is the kind of guy like
Speaker 4: if he is going to go and if he's going
Speaker 4: to be a good starting pitcher for the rest of
Speaker 4: this year, then that is really where you're excited about
Speaker 4: this rotation, because we know that the top end is
Speaker 4: amazing once Hunter Green returns, and Andrew Abbott has joined
Speaker 4: on the top end conversation of this rotation, and even
Speaker 4: Niiclodola is starting to look a lot better here recently.
Speaker 4: But if you can keep Nick Martinez at a reasonably
Speaker 4: high level of performance, then this rotation one through five
Speaker 4: is going to be a problem for any team. They face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question about it. So Red's get it done
Speaker 1: against San Diego. Now they're off today obviously, or tonight rather,
Speaker 1: and then they're off on the Thursday. I got to
Speaker 1: point out too, and I asked this of Austin Olmore
Speaker 1: on Friday. I'll ask you this. Jeff Carr locked on
Speaker 1: Reds about the Candelario deal getting dfa'ed yesterday, not a
Speaker 1: shock because he had been abysmal here, who's a bismal
Speaker 1: and he was sent down no reason to keep him
Speaker 1: and finally even Bobcastling himself signed off on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that it's interesting here that the Reds
Speaker 4: are going completely on merit, and I think that that
Speaker 4: is pointing back to Tito Francona, because he said at
Speaker 4: the beginning of the year, you earn your spot, nothing
Speaker 4: is given, and quite frankly, the Reds of old would say, well,
Speaker 4: we've given Jamier Candelario a big contract, so he has
Speaker 4: earned the right to be on this team. And I
Speaker 4: love that that has changed, because the Reds had to
Speaker 4: sign over quite a chunk of change to watch him
Speaker 4: walk away, and he's going to obviously get picked up
Speaker 4: on a veteran minimum by somebody else, but nobody was
Speaker 4: going to pick up that contract and take that off
Speaker 4: the Red's hands. And now the Reds are on the
Speaker 4: hook for that deal. But it looks like the Reds
Speaker 4: are serious about being a confident ball club on the field,
Speaker 4: not worried about money, not worried about you know, if
Speaker 4: you're manipulating service time of a minor league or something
Speaker 4: like that, and you're not going to just tread this
Speaker 4: guy out there that Quite frankly, we have always like
Speaker 4: squinted really hard to try and see any evidence of
Speaker 4: a bounce back. Even since he began here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: It's just not been a good tour of duty for Jamercambellario,
Speaker 4: great American ballparker.
Speaker 1: Well, the message is, listen, we may be paying you,
Speaker 1: but it's a new air. We're not going to keep
Speaker 1: you because you know we're paying you a lot of money.
Speaker 1: We're locked up. The old Reds would have done that,
Speaker 1: I think under Tito, and you're right about that. We're
Speaker 1: starting to see that change, and you wonder too, and
Speaker 1: it grants some very small sample size and this is
Speaker 1: kind of clickbaity, but look at Nick Martinez twenty one
Speaker 1: million dollars last few games, hasn't played, but he's will
Speaker 1: to do anything to win, and he comes out and
Speaker 1: pitches nearly a no hitter on Friday night. Matt McClain
Speaker 1: struggling at the plate mightily, but I mean, look what
Speaker 1: he provides for you defensively, you wouldn't want anyone else
Speaker 1: playing second base rather Matt McLean at this point. So
Speaker 1: I think the message is sent to the other players, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're paying you, You got to do your job.
Speaker 1: Otherwise we've got to move somebody out. We got to
Speaker 1: move you out.
Speaker 4: Got to perform, I think, And I think this is
Speaker 4: the part where we were really excited about Terry Francona.
Speaker 4: Like I know that there's been a lot of criticism
Speaker 4: of different choices that he has made, but it's clear
Speaker 4: that through his career as a manager, he has demonstrated
Speaker 4: in ability to just pool the right strings with the
Speaker 4: right guys at the right time. And the Reds haven't
Speaker 4: had a manager like that in a very long time.
Speaker 4: And I think that we're beginning to see it now.
Speaker 4: That's why we're seeing this turnaround. That's why people are
Speaker 4: watching this team and looking a little bit closer and saying,
Speaker 4: you know what. I think there's something here, and the
Speaker 4: move of getting rid of Candelario, the move of calling
Speaker 4: up Chase Burns, and all of this is starting to
Speaker 4: point to, Okay, the Reds are trying to put their
Speaker 4: best twenty six guys on the field. Now, let's see
Speaker 4: what they can do in the draft and what they
Speaker 4: can do in the trade.
Speaker 1: Devil hell of a week coming up here, Jeff Carr.
Speaker 1: Tonight three at Boston, and yeah, I share the Boston
Speaker 1: Red Sox are what three something games below five hundred,
Speaker 1: I believe, not not very good, But that's at Fenway
Speaker 1: and that will get me your head. And then you
Speaker 1: have one off night on Thursday, and then you go
Speaker 1: play the best team in the NL East, and that
Speaker 1: would be the Phillies. This is a really, really tough
Speaker 1: test this week for the Reds. Well, I think it
Speaker 1: at the end of this week, when we talk next Monday,
Speaker 1: we'll know what we got.
Speaker 4: Right, I think. So. I've been very happy with how
Speaker 4: they've played though this gauntlet of the schedule that they've
Speaker 4: already had. We've mentioned a couple of times, six out
Speaker 4: of seven series that's not against the Pirates and the
Speaker 4: Rockies and the Marlans and the Nationals and the worst
Speaker 4: of the worst. It's against the best of the best.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about some really good opponents here,
Speaker 4: and I think that there's something about this team, and
Speaker 4: as frustrating as it is, when they play the dredges
Speaker 4: of the league, they're just as the opposite against the
Speaker 4: powers of the league, they seem to rise to that occasion.
Speaker 4: So that's definitely going to be something that we're hoping
Speaker 4: to see over these next seven days, because the dredges
Speaker 4: of the league come to the come to the Reds
Speaker 4: the following week with the Marlins and the Rockies. So
Speaker 4: it's like, if you can just continue to play how
Speaker 4: you've been playing, if you can win one of these
Speaker 4: two series against the Red Sox and the Phillies and
Speaker 4: then you can make some hay and finally beat the
Speaker 4: teams that you need to beat next week, you can
Speaker 4: go into the All Star Game. Dare I say over
Speaker 4: you know, six seven games, over five hundred. That sounds
Speaker 4: like a pipe dream. Yeah, that's the way that this
Speaker 4: team's played.
Speaker 1: And I at of the Cubs are running away with
Speaker 1: this thing at all. They're stretches where they're just outright abysmal. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we haven't faced them Sayson. And when, as you said,
Speaker 1: when the Reds play the Cubs Saint Louis Milwaukee, they underperform.
Speaker 1: That that's I think the next big We know they
Speaker 1: can beat really good teams. We've seen that happen before,
Speaker 1: the Yankees are in town, the Detroit Tigers at the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Guardians, what taple with San Diego. But when you
Speaker 1: get the teams that are floating around five hundred sub
Speaker 1: five hundred for some reason they struggle, I think like
Speaker 1: that that's the next big hurdle they have to overcome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that there's a lot of what
Speaker 4: we have seen here recently, Like Sunday was not a
Speaker 4: good game as it were, it's just the Reds got
Speaker 4: that win, and they need more games like that because
Speaker 4: they're not always going to have their best stuff. They're
Speaker 4: not always going to play perfect ball. But over these
Speaker 4: past couple of years, when they haven't played perfect ball,
Speaker 4: they've lost, and now we're starting to see them get
Speaker 4: some some ugly wins. That's how you win division ball games,
Speaker 4: Like it's really rare that the Reds play a perfect
Speaker 4: game against their division rivals and that's why they have
Speaker 4: struggled so much against the Brewers and the Cardinals and
Speaker 4: the Cubs over the last couple of years. That's where
Speaker 4: we will see this team turn it around, especially you know,
Speaker 4: coming up here against this Red Sox scene that, like
Speaker 4: you said, they're hugging around five hundred. So there might
Speaker 4: be an since to look at the schedule and say, Okay,
Speaker 4: well this team, maybe they aren't that great. We can
Speaker 4: relax a little bit. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: You see the progress. You see the progress, right, is
Speaker 1: that bad base ranging? Okay? Kind of fix that seventh, eighth,
Speaker 1: ninth inning. Reds could not get it done. They thought
Speaker 1: they fixed that. Can't come from behind. They're starting to
Speaker 1: fix that. You kind of see it slowly morphing into
Speaker 1: something that we expected now for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: and that is competent baseball. We'll find out what happens.
Speaker 1: Hell of a test coming up tonight. We got Boston
Speaker 1: on the road at Fennoy and of course we'll have
Speaker 1: a call for you here on the home of the
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Speaker 4: Jeff all the best, Buddy, Well, I appreciate you. Go
Speaker 4: Red and.
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