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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be in a mad Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>it Monday morning Scott's Slung show back on seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>w ALW and we just jumped right into because we

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<v Speaker 1>got so much happening on today's show. It's unbelievable. Connie

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<v Speaker 1>Pillach prosecutor later on in the big mac Bridge fire

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<v Speaker 1>case and that is a crazy story. We got console

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<v Speaker 1>member Anna Albe. Another shooting last night, blew up the

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Horse Cafe, shut the windows out there and a

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<v Speaker 1>drive by not good. And of course we pick up

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<v Speaker 1>Orio left off on Friday, and that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>with the new stadium deal. Today, by the way, would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the deadline to extend the current contract. It

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<v Speaker 1>would have expired. But Hamlin County Commissioners approved a new

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals lease just to refresh team stays here through at

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<v Speaker 1>least twenty thirty six, four hundred and seventy million in improvements.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about sixty percent what was in the original memorandum.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess we're waiting for state money. Maybe down

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<v Speaker 1>the line we'll get into that. Another three fifty from

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<v Speaker 1>the county, sixty million from the NFL with a loan

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bengals. Another sixty million from the team, no

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<v Speaker 1>new taxes. Bottom line is we the taxpayers the county

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<v Speaker 1>hamble and pay about seventy five percent. There's about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent from the team. Uh in just to compare

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent versus the ninety four or it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it is moving definitely in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>On that is Hamlin County Commissioner Alisha Rees, who's been

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<v Speaker 1>like in a communication blackout. She's on the dot, was

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<v Speaker 1>on the backside of the moon. She couldn't talk to us.

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<v Speaker 1>She was locked down, probably killing her because the girl

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<v Speaker 1>loves to talk. I don't know if you know that

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<v Speaker 1>about Alicia. She can talk. Alicia, welcome back, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's good to be beck go. But I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>on a blackout. I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I was working.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're working, but you did still the deal

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<v Speaker 1>up to talk like an idiot, Like well, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to slam School.

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<v Speaker 4>The deal up.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an idiot. Why am I doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>I get yeah, we're waiting, Yeah, we're waiting to see

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I got some good news and then

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<v Speaker 2>I got some bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get some good news.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>But the bad news is we do not have a

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<v Speaker 2>least I know everybody's running there we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Got a lease. We don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned still, I abstained because I'm waiting and been

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<v Speaker 2>consistent on your show, and you know, just they consistent.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a tax basers with the voters.

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<v Speaker 2>That I wouldn't make any moves until we actually had

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<v Speaker 2>the written lease. Because in nineteen ninety seven we went

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<v Speaker 2>to the polls. People went to the polls and they

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<v Speaker 2>were sold a concept just kind of like what you

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<v Speaker 2>ran down, a good concept. All we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to stadiums and everybody's excited and homeowners would get a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty percent rebate every single year. And it was a concept,

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<v Speaker 2>and so everybody got excited. They high five kind of

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<v Speaker 2>similar would just happened this week, this past week. But

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<v Speaker 2>then the lawyers got behind the curtains, the Bengals ownership

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers and the county lawyers, and at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, it was not in the written contract lease.

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<v Speaker 2>What was said in the concept talking points, and what

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<v Speaker 2>happened was the thirty percent was never written in. It

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<v Speaker 2>was saying you're going there would be a rebate, and

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<v Speaker 2>the commissioners got to vote every year, so we the

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<v Speaker 2>tax payers was never written inside the lease, but everything

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<v Speaker 2>that the Bengals ownership wanted is in writing, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was put in place, and it was there. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even in politics, and now I have to abide by

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<v Speaker 2>a lease. What happened on last week, and if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've just got to be honest with the people, was

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a vote to extend the deadline. So

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<v Speaker 2>the deadline was supposed to be today, but the vote

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<v Speaker 2>was to extend it. So we are still under the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven bad least, and we will stay under

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<v Speaker 2>it until we get a new lease. What we had

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<v Speaker 2>was what you call an LOI, which is letter of intent,

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<v Speaker 2>which legally is not binding. It says in legal terms,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not binding. It is not a final lease. And

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, the resolution that was voted on that's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I have stayed. I said, why would I vote

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<v Speaker 2>on this? It has a title and then the title

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<v Speaker 2>it says it's a resolution for Hamilton County and the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals ownership to go into the negotiation.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I thought, we've been negotiating.

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<v Speaker 1>How long does the deadline get extended until.

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<v Speaker 2>When there's no that's that's the key in this resolution.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no timeline in this resolution. It says at the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the resolution that was voted on, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the pr talking points, I'm talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>actual resolution. The title says this resolution is for Hamilton

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<v Speaker 2>County and the Bengals to go into a negotiation. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the title. Then it has another cause in there. It says,

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<v Speaker 2>this is no way, no way it can be seen

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<v Speaker 2>as a new lease that's been writing. And so I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what in the world we've been doing. I've been trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the lease, says I got elected five

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. I thought, we've been getting to the lease.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a nineteen ninety seven move where we clapped

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<v Speaker 2>our hands at man, we got it. We don't get

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<v Speaker 2>two stadiums, and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 5>And then the.

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<v Speaker 2>People got really pissed off when they got the actual

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<v Speaker 2>binding lease. And so what was on here is that

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<v Speaker 2>this will stay intact. Nineteen ninety seven is still intact

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<v Speaker 2>today and the extension has gone beyond today.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are we celebrating? What were we what was

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<v Speaker 1>this big press conferences?

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<v Speaker 5>And what I'm saying, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Were we doing? So we're celebrating the fact that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't come up. We've got to celebrate the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we agreed to remove any deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we did, and now the lawyers are to

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<v Speaker 2>get together and start working on the lease that I

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<v Speaker 2>even asked at the meeting, what's the dead line? No

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<v Speaker 2>one had the dead line, So I got to be

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<v Speaker 2>just honest with the people. You know, we've got a concept,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't have an end the concept plan. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna tell you you talked about three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars guarantee. The Bengals get a guarantee the own,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's no guarantee for anybody else in the new

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<v Speaker 2>group in the new proposal that ain't been passed. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not in writing, that's not in the lease. The homeowners

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<v Speaker 2>get screwed. I couldnot even present the thirty percent for

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<v Speaker 2>seven additional years on a lease that would only.

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<v Speaker 4>Be ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the seventh year they said, you could you know,

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<v Speaker 2>reef And then someone told me, well, it's fiscally irresponsible

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<v Speaker 2>to put in any type of break for the homeowner.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to get back sloan to five percent. Two

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<v Speaker 2>percent property taxes is the number one issue right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't go. I told the voters that I

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<v Speaker 2>would be fighting. And you know, Sloan, I've been on

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<v Speaker 2>your show. You You've helped me get the word out

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<v Speaker 2>of the border relatives and everything. We've been able to

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<v Speaker 2>get it two out of the you know, four years.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been elected at that time, but now under

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<v Speaker 2>this new I would not even be able to propose.

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<v Speaker 2>And they told me, well, is irresponsible to give something

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<v Speaker 2>to the taxpayers. We it'll break the bank. Well, if

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<v Speaker 2>it breaks the bank to give the taxpayers a break,

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<v Speaker 2>then how are we guaranteeing three hundred and fifty millions

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<v Speaker 2>for the Bengals and let's be clearsloans? The State of

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio Speaker of the House said no, they they the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals put in something for the city to put the

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<v Speaker 2>money in the mayor and the city said no. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again, I don't know what we're celebrating. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I like to take it to the ballot, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, so the people know exactly what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're doing a good job with po oh man.

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<v Speaker 5>They got we got a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a least we gotta And I you said,

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<v Speaker 2>show me the leaser.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I gotta lead, I guess. But in lega

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<v Speaker 1>at least risa legal language is right, it's it's LOI.

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<v Speaker 1>You have MOUs, you have agreements of understanding, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can go on and on and on with these things.

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<v Speaker 1>But the principles, I guess, the core pillars of the

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<v Speaker 1>deal are outline them at the beginning here. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>already agreed upon. How much money is coming in at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, So it's a matter of maybe some more

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<v Speaker 1>of the nuances. Yeah, you don't have a lease, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least in principle both sides agree to move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>The other ones is what the taxpayers got it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actual when you get into this lead, it gets into

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<v Speaker 2>those clauses and the whereases and the guarantees that we

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<v Speaker 2>can't do this and we can't do that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really where the people got screwed. They didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>screwed on the concept. They agreed to two stadiums. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the concept, right, But then when you got into the

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<v Speaker 2>nitty gritty of everything, the wait a minute, we got

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for everything, we got to pay voll to

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<v Speaker 2>up keep. Wait a minute, we can't do this and

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<v Speaker 2>if you start talking about the concept, the concept is

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<v Speaker 2>the homeowners will not be able to get any break

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<v Speaker 2>that is thirty percent, yes, and I think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>pre big deal. You know. They talk about it, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I appreciate the concept that we'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to hire a third party to bring inns. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, what's the details of that. They said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to that down the road. Well, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different details that we would have to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, what I saw when the tax turns

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<v Speaker 2>got really pissed off and they actually voted a commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>out of office on They voted them out of office

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<v Speaker 2>because once they saw a contract the lease, they said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, we got screwed. So we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to make the same mistake we made in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Well a Leekah Cony commissioner Lisha Resa on the Scot

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<v Speaker 1>Slane Show this morning and what the problem is with

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium. Lisa was greant and we celebrated this on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alisha's like, hold up a second, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>ending the deadline. We're still negotiating, so really nothing's been

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<v Speaker 1>completed here. I brought up on Friday, had your compatriot

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<v Speaker 1>on Denise Streetthouse and I get it, you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed with numbers and everything else, and so you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of misseduff. But I brought up the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals that were celebrating they're going to pay a million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars rent starting in year one. And I said at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, I was like, well, as I recall the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals were paying rent for the first nine years of

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<v Speaker 1>the lease starting in nineteen ninety seven, that actually is true.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the end result is the base rent in

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<v Speaker 1>year one of the LEAs they're paying one point seven million,

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<v Speaker 1>then in year two is one six, then down to

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<v Speaker 1>one five, four to three to two, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to nine hundred thousand dollars a year nine. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>that was those twenty years ago, and now they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a million, and they're paying less rent per

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<v Speaker 1>year than they were in the eighth year of the

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<v Speaker 1>deal that expired after year nine. Does that make any sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's my point about talking points number one. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been reading this lease since I got there five it's

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<v Speaker 2>been five years now, back and forth. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>told you about to find print. In the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven they celebrated that they were paying rent, and they

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<v Speaker 2>did pay one point seven million, as you said, in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven dollar value. Now we're in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five dollar value. And in fact that they needn started,

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<v Speaker 2>they would pay a million dollars, so the dollar value

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit less. Not the only thing about

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<v Speaker 2>the original nineteen ninety seven it got all the way

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<v Speaker 2>down to zero. So I think they only paid rent

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe nine years. But listen to this. This lease

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<v Speaker 2>is about a ten year lease, maybe eleven, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know that's you know, that's what they're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>they're paid. Now, we charge right to rent the stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one hundred thousand dollars a day. So I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you all do the math on that. But I'm happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see that they would be going back to paying

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<v Speaker 2>something for being there with because you know, they got

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<v Speaker 2>their head. It's not just the game. They have their

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<v Speaker 2>headquarter offices there, They've got you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>the headquarter office is there of free parking, is there

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<v Speaker 2>garage all that stuff. Oh and by the way, we

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<v Speaker 2>paid a gas, an electric, we paid a water bill,

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<v Speaker 2>we paid a sewer bill. I'm talking about taxpayers, so

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<v Speaker 2>there needed to be something there, something else. Loan, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>breaking it on your show first. Although I did say

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<v Speaker 2>it at the meeting, they didn't pick it up because

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<v Speaker 2>they already had By the way, at the meeting, it

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting long I was sitting there and the administrator

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<v Speaker 2>was just presenting the proposal to the public, And when

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there, my pone went off with all these alerts.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you know that the story had already been

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<v Speaker 2>written in the inquiry USA Today Sports illustrator. This is

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<v Speaker 2>before he even finished the PowerPoint that if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be passed, somebody even erroneously had put it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>unanimously passed. I hadn't even voted. They hadn't even called.

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<v Speaker 3>For a vote yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something wrong with that. Because two hundred eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand plus people voted for me to go down there

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<v Speaker 2>represent them and take a vote. They've given somebody down there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who it is. I told the administrator

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<v Speaker 2>this cannot be tolerated. They already had the articles talking

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<v Speaker 2>about my vote and I hadn't voted, already talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the deal is done. And we hadn't even he's just

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<v Speaker 2>now presenting it in power points.

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<v Speaker 6>To the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so the process long is the problem?

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<v Speaker 1>Say, if you can't stop leaks at the Pentagon, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop leaks at the White House. You probably can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop leaks at the Hamlet Gun Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know about leaks, but don't ever put

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<v Speaker 2>out what I'm gonna do until I do it. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a big this is a big deal for you though,

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<v Speaker 2>for the voters, this current proposal, and we got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it as a proposal. Don't say leased anymore, don't

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<v Speaker 2>say deal anymore, because again, all we did was vote

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<v Speaker 2>to extend the deadline of the current bad leaf from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven. But in there in the proposal, this

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<v Speaker 2>proposed proposal would end and they say ten or eleven

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<v Speaker 2>years if it starts in twenty twenty six, hypothetically, if

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<v Speaker 2>we can get to at least then do you know

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<v Speaker 2>that that would end in twenty thirty six, twenty thirty seven?

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<v Speaker 2>You know the since now you're read, deal ends in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty seven. So we would be at the table.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard enough trying to do one. We would be

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<v Speaker 2>at the table with the Bengals second third deal and

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<v Speaker 2>the Red second deal, two stadiums at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I brought it up and no one can it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty thirty seven, the GABP deal is up. Reds are

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<v Speaker 1>going to come to the table same time the Bengals are,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that is going to give people fits. I

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<v Speaker 1>would think at that point. Alicia Reese, final point on

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<v Speaker 1>this the initial deal that we're talking about here, and again,

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<v Speaker 1>as you correctly pointed out, this is basically an extension

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<v Speaker 1>of the old deal. We've come to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>pillars in the terms of what the county and the

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<v Speaker 1>team are going to give into this thing. And I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that it's not done until it's signed. But if

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<v Speaker 1>things stand the way they are on the nuances are

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<v Speaker 1>worked out and smaller points are worked out, is seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the team is what seven I sent

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<v Speaker 1>the taxpayers. Let me tell it again, taxpayers will fund

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five percent of the stadium. The old deal from

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven ninety six was ninety four percent. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>fire deal. Better. You can't go from the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the pit, the worst deal in the world, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the top of the mountain, the best the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to take a number of long after we're

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<v Speaker 1>gone from this world for this for this to change.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is seventy five percent at least a big

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<v Speaker 1>step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're making some progress. But if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at Cleveland, they're doing a fifty fifty deal, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>real partnership. They're putting in some real money and skin

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<v Speaker 2>in the game. Bengal's ownership, according to Forbes, could afford

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<v Speaker 2>to put some skin in the game. And so what

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it as one if you keep out

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<v Speaker 2>the thirty percent for the property tax owners, who I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think the deal could have passed without that thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if we can get thirty percent, because that

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<v Speaker 2>to me de ducts from the seventy five percent, because

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<v Speaker 2>right now it's almost zero percent for the homeowner or

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<v Speaker 2>the taxpayer. And I'll tell you this Loan. When we

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<v Speaker 2>were having one of our meetings, a veteran, it was

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<v Speaker 2>some commotion out in the hallway and they said, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened? They said, well, it was a caucage and

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<v Speaker 2>veteran who came down there and they told him the

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<v Speaker 2>shush and.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, don't you shush me.

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<v Speaker 2>They've turned off my gas and electric and I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to be homeless. And I serve this country. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I look at the deal, it's not in isolation. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to look at it for the homeowners. Two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>some thousand homeowners versus nine games. Okay, we've got nine

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<v Speaker 2>games with a three hundred and fifty million dollars guarantee.

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<v Speaker 2>We got two hundred and fifty two hundred twenty thousand homeowners,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, who have no guarantee right and property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes is one of the top issues, and the economy

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<v Speaker 2>is going up. How do we cook? To me, a

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<v Speaker 2>win win would be we've got to have some skin

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<v Speaker 2>in it for the people who are actually asked to

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<v Speaker 2>fund this. And I appreciate, like I said, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big Bengals fan and everything, but I had to take

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<v Speaker 2>my fan hat off. And fifty something percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals fans come from outside of Hamilton County, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>not on the hook accepted buy a ticket to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the game. And so I've got to think about

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<v Speaker 2>that veteran. I gotta think of our grandma with the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I've said, we got to keep pushing

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<v Speaker 2>to because our job was really to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the taxpayers got a good deal. And when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the proposal that's being pushed, we've got nothing in

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<v Speaker 2>it for the taxpayers. You said, we're not gonna charge

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<v Speaker 2>you more, but we're not gonna give you anything either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's been a problem because you can cut on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand the number of times you give that thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent back since to steal with sign and that's that

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<v Speaker 1>makes you, guys. It doesn't make the team look bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes you all with the commission look bad. At

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<v Speaker 1>least your ree Hamlin County Commissioner always love having on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I'm glad to have you back. And I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. This is a deal that's still in could

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<v Speaker 1>get really screwed up, and let's face it, the and

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<v Speaker 1>could fall apart. But at least it seems like it's

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<v Speaker 1>moving in the right direction. Hope y'all can get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, make sure people.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't give the people a pr spin. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to give them the real facts and I can't make

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<v Speaker 2>a move and a good conscience. They so what I

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<v Speaker 2>told my voters, I said, I'm going to keep going

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<v Speaker 2>until we get the final lease and then I'll make

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<v Speaker 2>my decisions. And today we have no lease. We have

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<v Speaker 2>an extension, and I think we need to call it

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. That we were given an extension. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what we should have said. Don't try to mucky it

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<v Speaker 2>up to the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 3>They deserve the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia will chat again in the near future, because God knows,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always stuff to talk about with you. Thanks long, alright,

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<v Speaker 1>can't carry yourself, you too, Thank you, ma'am. Alicia Reese

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<v Speaker 1>on the Scott's Loan Show this morning. Your reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>the deal that's not really a deal or is this

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<v Speaker 1>how deals are dealt I think the latter's probably two

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<v Speaker 1>and not the prior that the lawyers that come up

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<v Speaker 1>with these terms. You got Loi's, you got MOUs I

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<v Speaker 1>get agreements of understanding, agreements and principle. What does it

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<v Speaker 1>actually mean? Really not a lot, not a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>usually they work out your comment's next Slaney after news

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW Sloaney, here are seven hundred w LW.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope you had a great weekend. Normally you get invited

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<v Speaker 1>to a wedding. We had a weddings the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks, they've been great. The one on Saturday, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta it was. It was absolutely spectacular. Our good

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<v Speaker 1>friends h Drew and Regina Taylor, their daughter Noel got

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<v Speaker 1>married to a lovely Irish lad named Rogers. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>in town. Congratulations here their Saturday. But it was at

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<v Speaker 1>the Elmpeka by Jeff Ruby, the old Seventh Street original

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<v Speaker 1>flagship location. And I'll tell you what, that is the

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<v Speaker 1>best wedding I've ever been to in my life. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was. It just blew you away. You would

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<v Speaker 1>expect that from a location, and not to throws shade

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<v Speaker 1>into the weddings obviously too, but it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fantastic. And so yeah, that was. It's wonderful to

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<v Speaker 1>see your daughter married off to a great guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>being part of that was fantastic. And he owns. Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor's the president of Taylor Trucking in Cincinnati. I think

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and I'm SA one hundred and seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>years old on hundred seventy five years old, oldest family

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<v Speaker 1>run company in Cincinnati, believe it or not. Seventh generation's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter taken over so and her son Grant. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a great time and enjoyed immensely that celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, what else we got going on today? We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Alicia Reese minutes ago here on the Big one,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred w WELW, I had an email from a

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<v Speaker 1>buddy through a buddy, through a buddy. Anyway, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to divulge names here, but do an individual that

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<v Speaker 1>has been involved with the parking essentially career in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the parking industry, and especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium mirrors. I had the E streethouse on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about the money. The Bengals get ninety

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<v Speaker 1>three percent of all parking commission and I said, that's

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be a lot of money. So that's about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars really not that much, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>about five thousand parking spots and about fifty dollars premium

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<v Speaker 1>per space, and now I think they're even like in

421
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<v Speaker 1>some area seventy seventy five bucks. But math on, that

422
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<v Speaker 1>is two hundred and fifty thousand per game, not a

423
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<v Speaker 1>total of one hundred thousand dollars, and that's still two

424
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<v Speaker 1>and a half million dollars a year. If you do

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<v Speaker 1>the math up, and so you know, again a lot

426
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<v Speaker 1>of moving parts when the deal is done. And certainly

427
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<v Speaker 1>don't say that anyone say anything to pull the wool

428
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<v Speaker 1>over anyone's eyes. But you hear that about one hundred

429
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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars, it's got to be per game, right, And

430
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<v Speaker 1>then they're paying rent of a million a year, so

431
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a million in rent, there's still this

432
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<v Speaker 1>is what two two and a half million just for

433
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<v Speaker 1>the parking alone. I'm de scribed to my head here

434
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<v Speaker 1>gone whiskey tango foxtrot. How good a deal is this?

435
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<v Speaker 1>And when you hear it's like, well, okay, the team

436
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<v Speaker 1>the taxpayers are going up for seventy five percent supposed

437
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<v Speaker 1>to ninety four percent like we have. Now you just

438
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<v Speaker 1>wonder how many things in They're like, well is this okay?

439
00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.759
<v Speaker 1>It seems like the taxpayers are paying money, but how

440
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<v Speaker 1>much money are you getting back on this? On this deal? Deal?

441
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<v Speaker 1>And the fact of the matter is, you know, you

442
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<v Speaker 1>can compare this to other state in deals, be it

443
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<v Speaker 1>the Buffalo or Baltimore or Cleveland, especially where they're going

444
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<v Speaker 1>to pay fifty percent and people are still angry about

445
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<v Speaker 1>that and they're getting state money. At some point the

446
00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Bengals are going to get state money. And you just

447
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<v Speaker 1>wonder how much that throws that seventy four per pounds off,

448
00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:47.359
<v Speaker 1>because guess what, even though it's not Hamilton County taxpayers

449
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<v Speaker 1>foot in the bill, it's still tax money. And so

450
00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.039
<v Speaker 1>you throw the state money in there, does that you know,

451
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<v Speaker 1>does that percentage of seventy four and I'll go back

452
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<v Speaker 1>up to ninety percent again, great question. And certainly the

453
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<v Speaker 1>Bengals have hung plenty of banners championship banners now to

454
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<v Speaker 1>the football field, but in the courtroom, and that I

455
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<v Speaker 1>think is the rub for a lot of people, especially now.

456
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<v Speaker 1>And at least it's one hundred percent right, one thousand

457
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<v Speaker 1>percent right about the fact that we are heading towards

458
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<v Speaker 1>property tax I'm gonna get in the state of Ohio

459
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<v Speaker 1>where so many people. There's a man who showed up

460
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<v Speaker 1>at she said at the meeting it was mad because

461
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<v Speaker 1>he's a veteran, and they told to be quiet. He's like,

462
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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be I'm gonna lose my house because I

463
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<v Speaker 1>can't afford property taxes. And we are promised a thirty

464
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<v Speaker 1>percent property tax rollback if we voted for this back

465
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<v Speaker 1>in ninety six. Now a lot of people listening may

466
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<v Speaker 1>not have been around a voter or even dare I say,

467
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<v Speaker 1>born in ninety six at that point. That's how long

468
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<v Speaker 1>this bad deal was. And you're right, I look at it,

469
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<v Speaker 1>go wow, you had that insult of the proper tax

470
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<v Speaker 1>rollback and that you're only getting a couple times in

471
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<v Speaker 1>the last thirty years, and that's even more in Syndy

472
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<v Speaker 1>area in my opinion, And what does the future lie

473
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<v Speaker 1>with this deal? Certainly on Thursday Friday, we're excited to

474
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<v Speaker 1>know they have come to a conclusion. We've got a deal.

475
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<v Speaker 1>A deal is struck. And she's right in saying that

476
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<v Speaker 1>it's not you. It's not signed and inked and everything else.

477
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<v Speaker 1>There's still some negotiation and deals going on, to be sure,

478
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<v Speaker 1>but I think when you get the fundamentals of a

479
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<v Speaker 1>deal in place, it goes to show you that both

480
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<v Speaker 1>sides are on the same page. And now it's some

481
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<v Speaker 1>of the nuances, and I think maybe even they feel

482
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<v Speaker 1>that there's really nothing that's going to sidetrack getting this

483
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<v Speaker 1>thing done. And today, by the way, was the deadline

484
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<v Speaker 1>for that, the deadline for that and five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

485
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<v Speaker 1>thousand Ye Rule with David Real Quick and Lawrenceburg on

486
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<v Speaker 1>the Big One. Hey David morning.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you, sir?

488
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<v Speaker 1>Everything is well, how are you, David?

489
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<v Speaker 4>Good?

490
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<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, Thanks for taking my call first time,

491
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<v Speaker 5>long time.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

493
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<v Speaker 4>Love your show.

494
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<v Speaker 5>When I'm delivering stuff, I love listening to you. Makes

495
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<v Speaker 5>the day go faster.

496
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<v Speaker 1>You're delivering materials, packages or babies? What are you delivering.

497
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<v Speaker 4>Packages?

498
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, all right, all right, I got you.

499
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<v Speaker 4>What's up?

500
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<v Speaker 1>My man?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, thank you. I have three quick things and

502
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<v Speaker 5>I'll hang out much go sir.

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<v Speaker 4>One is I.

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<v Speaker 5>Totally respect a Lisa Reese. I love her enthusiasm for

505
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<v Speaker 5>the voters so or for the uh. I guess you

506
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<v Speaker 5>should say that people that are paying the taxes.

507
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<v Speaker 4>So I love it.

508
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<v Speaker 5>Two things. One is uh, I can tell she doesn't

509
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<v Speaker 5>listen to your show or she just drives me crazy

510
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<v Speaker 5>when she calls you sloan.

511
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<v Speaker 1>No, it's funny, you know what.

512
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<v Speaker 4>Bothers.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter to me at all. I've been I've

514
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<v Speaker 1>been called that, the slowney sloan. Whatever. I answered a

515
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<v Speaker 1>lot of things. Some things you can't A lot of

516
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<v Speaker 1>them you can't say in the radio. But the funny

517
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<v Speaker 1>the guys that the always break my chops about that

518
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<v Speaker 1>consent ballbrick. Hey, Slot, it's so funny.

519
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<v Speaker 5>I'm glad I'm not the only one, because every time

520
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<v Speaker 5>I listen to her talk to you, I'm like, even

521
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<v Speaker 5>when you come online, are you go? This is sloany.

522
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<v Speaker 5>Everybody that calls you, one that knows you calls you sloaney. Uh,

523
00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:42.039
<v Speaker 5>and then she calls you sloan and it drives. It's

524
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<v Speaker 5>like the fingernails on the chessboard.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I know, uh yeah, I never like I hear it,

526
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:50.599
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it doesn't bother me. It's it's kind

527
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<v Speaker 1>of it's it's one of those things. This should be

528
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<v Speaker 1>a pet pee for some people. I guess, well, I'm

529
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<v Speaker 1>glad that.

530
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<v Speaker 5>I'm glad I called that that. Then I'm glad I'm

531
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<v Speaker 5>not the only one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

533
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<v Speaker 5>She obviously then doesn't listen to seven hundred because she

534
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:05.119
<v Speaker 5>knows you're slowing. Everybody calls you slowly. But the last

535
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 5>and I'll hang up is it's back. Even when they

536
00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.240
<v Speaker 5>voted for the Bengals to stay, people just do not realize.

537
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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I get it. The Bengals get a sweetheart

538
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<v Speaker 5>of the deal. But yes, if you want to be

539
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<v Speaker 5>if you want a big team in your city and

540
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<v Speaker 5>you want to be a relevant big city, and it

541
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 5>brings in a lot of cash, not even for the games,

542
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<v Speaker 5>just for the reputation of Cincinnati knowing that there's a

543
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<v Speaker 5>professional football team there. I think people who are stopping

544
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<v Speaker 5>that in the opportunity cost that that does that. And

545
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<v Speaker 5>I get it you get ripped off by them, but

546
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<v Speaker 5>they you know, they earn that right by keeping the

547
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<v Speaker 5>team here.

548
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, and I'll let you go, buddy, thanks

549
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<v Speaker 1>for the thing of the propert. Appreciate you so much?

550
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Is that? Yeah, you do benefit from that. I know

551
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 1>people don't want you don't want hear this, specially with

552
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<v Speaker 1>property tax thing because hey, listen, I might lose my

553
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<v Speaker 1>house because of property taxes. Well that's also our friends

554
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.599
<v Speaker 1>at the state. Let's not forget that. But you were

555
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<v Speaker 1>promised the rollback that you didn't get.

556
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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

557
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<v Speaker 1>Similarly, I look at this and go, yeah, you know

558
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<v Speaker 1>with the hotel motel lights, when when when Monday night,

559
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Thursday night, Sunday night footballs in town. That's millions and

560
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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars to the bottom line the city, and

561
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 1>we can't forget that that having an NFL franchise is huge,

562
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.279
<v Speaker 1>absolutely huge. Now you look at other cities that are

563
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>it's more equitable the deal between the county or the

564
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 1>locality and the club itself. There's no question about that.

565
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<v Speaker 1>And the perspective to have is and the ink isn't signed,

566
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<v Speaker 1>and then we haven't to her point, this is not

567
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>a done deal yet. But in principle, if we can

568
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 1>get from ninety four percent to seventy four percent, I'll

569
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<v Speaker 1>take that because it's a step in the right direction.

570
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<v Speaker 1>That the deal unquestionably the worst in the history of

571
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<v Speaker 1>professional sports, and dare I say a low point, because

572
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<v Speaker 1>ever since that deal was signed in ninety six, we

573
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<v Speaker 1>have seen other cities look at that and give a

574
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<v Speaker 1>side eye and go wa in doing that, that was

575
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 1>littally the worst deal, and it's gotten better for every

576
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 1>city since to the point where recently Kansas City voters

577
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<v Speaker 1>and they have championships said we're not giving you deal,

578
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>we're not paying, we're not putting the costs for this.

579
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:05.319
<v Speaker 1>So things have changed a lot.

580
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<v Speaker 4>Now.

581
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<v Speaker 1>If you're the bottom of the hole, you're way way

582
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 1>down to the bottom of the hole. You fall onto

583
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>the pit and you try to get to the top

584
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of the mountain. So the worst deal to the best deal,

585
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you're still going to have to get halfway up to

586
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that pet And I think that's what this is. If

587
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>you can take a twenty percentage point increase in the

588
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 1>amount of money the team's contributing versus the taxpayers, I

589
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>consider that a win. Is it a perfect deal? I

590
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people want perfection from the jump, saying, hey,

591
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 1>you know what you stole from us for years it

592
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>was a lopsided deal. We're going to go completely the

593
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 1>other way out of Vengines. That's not gonna happen either,

594
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.160
<v Speaker 1>because you know you and you jeopardize the entire operation

595
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 1>of the club, and man, it's gonna be it's gonna

596
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.799
<v Speaker 1>be a dumpster fire when this deal is done in

597
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 1>seven years and it coincides with the Red Leaves coming

598
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>up at GABP because the Reds really have been quiet,

599
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>but they haven't had to. They've been really quiet about

600
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing. They really haven't needed to publicly fight

601
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>about getting stuff. Now. I would say the different than

602
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the two teams is and the Bengals I ever have

603
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.960
<v Speaker 1>learned this lesson when it comes to community engagement. They're

604
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>not good at all. You look around the league at

605
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 1>what teams do in the community, and not just the players,

606
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>but the team them saying you going out there and

607
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff. If you look at other clubs in the NFL,

608
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals don't do that. And I'm not saying they're

609
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 1>not generous with their time, talent, and treasure and anonymously

610
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>giving money and trying to keep under that. And I

611
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 1>get that, but this is not the air to be that.

612
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work anymore. The public wants to see you engage,

613
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 1>especially when you have so much tax periment. Look at

614
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 1>this way. Average person in Cincinnati does not go to

615
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Bengals games, and yet they are paying and footing the

616
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>bill when they buy stuff. And of course, now add

617
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 1>the property tax thing on that where there's no rollback,

618
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm now I may lose my house because of

619
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.400
<v Speaker 1>property taxes. And so the prospect is like, Okay, what

620
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>am I getting out of this team? One Super Bowl

621
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 1>appearance and not very good since and so even that

622
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 1>feels like it's not being rewarded. And that's reality. Man,

623
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>that's a perception. I've said for a long time, and

624
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<v Speaker 1>I keep hearing about how the younger Blackburn women are

625
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>better at this and social media and all these things

626
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.759
<v Speaker 1>they're doing, and the Ring of Honor and all that stuff.

627
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what, It's a step in the right direction,

628
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 1>but you need to take a leap in the right direction.

629
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<v Speaker 1>There needs to be a hell of a lot more

630
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<v Speaker 1>community engagement with this team. If you're asking for what

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking are in getting. And then on top of

632
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the property tax thing, you really need to be in

633
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the community as much, if not more than the Reds are.

634
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Because the Reds are absolutely phenomenal at this stuff and

635
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals are wolful. You need to look across the

636
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>street at the other team and go, what are the

637
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 1>Reds doing? We're not doing when it comes to community engagement.

638
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<v Speaker 1>And that's a huge issue for me and a huge

639
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>issue for the city. No one talks about the run.

640
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Reds are playing really really well right now and are

641
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 1>sniff and the playoffs there, I say, but the Reds

642
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 1>have been an exercising futility for a long time. And

643
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>why did they get a pass. They get a pass

644
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>because they put their arms around the city. The Bengals

645
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. That's one of the huge issues. That

646
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>is a nuance behind this entire deal at five one, three, seven,

647
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>four nine seven. I was real quick to a Mike

648
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<v Speaker 1>in Liberty Township, what's going on?

649
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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 7>One name that we keep leaving now that I wish

651
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 7>would be brought up more so we don't repeat it

652
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<v Speaker 7>as fans. I live in Butler County, though, sir, they

653
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 7>don't even apply to me. But Bob Betty Holton, didn't

654
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<v Speaker 7>he get a job you did with the Bengals after

655
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:21.519
<v Speaker 7>that deal with.

656
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<v Speaker 1>Time he did? Yep, yep, he gotta.

657
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<v Speaker 7>How the hell was that even allowed?

658
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<v Speaker 1>Well, because that's what happens, right, one hand washes the other.

659
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<v Speaker 1>You help us get a deal, you're out as a commissioner. Hey,

660
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we'll hire you. I mean, hell, look

661
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at it. Look at Washington man. You know this? How

662
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>many these politicians stick it to us all the time

663
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and then turn around and sell out after they leave officers,

664
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<v Speaker 1>they're turned out and they go and they work for

665
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 1>the people that are fighting against happens all the time.

666
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Happens all the damn time. That's the problem with.

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<v Speaker 3>It, God, Chad, they're completely schools.

668
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<v Speaker 7>Got what I'm gonna disagree with you? No, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 7>even though it's seventy five percent whatever it is. No,

670
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 7>like you said, they need to a bigger lead than that.

671
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 7>That that's a very very small improvement, and.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not okay. I don't know.

673
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<v Speaker 1>You're going from ninety four to seventy five. That's a

674
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<v Speaker 1>pretty good that's a pretty good jump percentage one.

675
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 4>It never ninety four first off, So.

676
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<v Speaker 1>It needs going You're right about.

677
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 4>It needs to go to fifty period. That's need.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's another part of the problem, right, is the

679
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>business model of the Bengals. Their entirety, in their essence,

680
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>all their all their capital comes from the football operations.

681
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Whereas you look at the Cleveland Browns that that's insurance money.

682
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>So you look at that and go, okay, well the

683
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Bengals have Bengal money, but most of the other teams

684
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have other business interests. And I'm surprised over the years

685
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 1>the Bengals havn't, you know, diversified and taken a lot

686
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of that money and started other than they might have.

687
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But you wonder how it's not helping football operations. So

688
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.079
<v Speaker 1>the idea of just solely existing out of football, it's

689
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 1>if you can see what that what that gets you

690
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>here in Cincinnati. That's not good. That is not good

691
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<v Speaker 1>at all. MIKEA, I'll let you go. You're breaking up.

692
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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you listening as always. Excuse me. We got

693
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<v Speaker 1>news in about oh seven minutes here on seven hundred WLW,

694
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<v Speaker 1>and then it's Connie Pillach Hamblin County Prosecutor. She is

695
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<v Speaker 1>here to talk about the brig the we forgot about

696
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the story because there's a huge story and inconvenience people

697
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred days and everybody went there pound of

698
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>flesh and there was so much news going on, it

699
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 1>just kind of got swept away. But I want to

700
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>bring it back to the big mac Bridge fire case

701
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and why these knuckleheads, this one knucklehead in particular, decide

702
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he's going to set a fire that wound up costing

703
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 1>what eleven million dollars in damages and eleven million dollars

704
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>taxpayer money. That's crazy talk. That's absolutely crazy talk. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's coming up in a few here again Connie Pillach

706
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Shamblin County Prosecutor at ten oh seven on the Scott's

707
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Loan Show on seven hundred Wow. Quickly here. I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay homage somewhat here to Dave Parker, and

709
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>it goes without saying. Dave Parker passing at the age

710
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<v Speaker 1>of seventy four over the weekend and just a month

711
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<v Speaker 1>before he was set to be inducted in the Baseball's

712
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame. He said he had one hell of

713
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 1>a speech plan which I would have loved to hear,

714
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<v Speaker 1>But that is going to be bared with Dave Parker,

715
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the Cobra dead at the age of seventy four. I've

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00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>always been available to the media and always I've seen

717
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>him appear quite quite a few times. So it's sad

718
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.079
<v Speaker 1>to see an icon of your childhood pass now. I

719
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 1>remember watching him now somewhat is a red but you

720
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 1>remember the glory days in the seventies when he was

721
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 1>a part of the we Are Family Buccos Pittsburgh Pirates

722
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>winning the World Series. I remember that incredible play he

723
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>made in seventy nine watching the All Star Game live

724
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>as a kid, where I believe Joe Morgan and he

725
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>were running for a ball on the right field line

726
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and the ball hit the AstroTurf as it does and

727
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>took a weird hop. Parker runs backwards, pivots, turns around,

728
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>and almost blindly fires a laser to third base to

729
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 1>get I think Jim Rice out at third base. One

730
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of the best All Star Game. How one of the

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00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 1>best plays in baseball to show you because you always

732
00:33:57.759 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about his bat and the sledgehammer and just how

733
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>much he would hit and it's incredible power at the plate.

734
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>But that guy's an outfielder for a big man. He

735
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>moved fast, That's why it was a cobra, moved fast.

736
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<v Speaker 1>But his arm was unbelievable. The fact that he could

737
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>fire a strike from the rightful left, falling backwards somewhat

738
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and reeling off a throw like that was absolutely amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, Dave Parker passing at the age of seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>We got news on the way one of the bigger

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00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 1>stories today. Sadly and shockingly, two firefighters in Idaho shot

742
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and killed in an ambush type of pack attack responding

743
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to a fire near Curdleen, and that's in the northern

744
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>part of that state. Yesterday afternoon. Man found dead near

745
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a firearm or the shooting occurred. Believe he's the only suspect,

746
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:48.800
<v Speaker 1>But sadly, one firefighter died and the third firefighter was

747
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 1>fighting for his life stable condition now, I guess, but

748
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 1>my god, two firefighters killed and an ambush type attack

749
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>should scare the hell out of you. Police officers often

750
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>think about that because that's part of the job. I mean,

751
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 1>look what happened to Ryan Hinton, but Mike got firefighters. Now,

752
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 1>you gotta be kidding me. So those in first responders

753
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 1>thoughts in prayers this morning. And that's another American tragedy unfolding.

754
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 1>So we've got that. We got lots of local news.

755
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>It's all happening. I mentioned Connie pillach Is next talk

756
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 1>about the bridge fire right after news on the Home

757
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.239
<v Speaker 1>of the Red seven hundred WW Cincinnati. Because I like

758
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 1>to set fires, that was the answer thirty nine year

759
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 1>old Terry Styles gave to investigators were setting a blaze

760
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to a playground below the Big Back Bridge in November

761
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 1>first last year. Of course, that was closed in for

762
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.159
<v Speaker 1>one hundred days because that fire then spread and caused

763
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>damage to the underbelly of the bridge, caused travel nightmares.

764
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<v Speaker 1>Don't have to tell you that, but also cost us

765
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>taxpayers eleven million dollars. Terry Styles now behind bars for

766
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>nine to thirteen and a half years and joining us

767
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>on the show to talk about. This is Connie Pillach

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00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>handling County prosecutor, County. How you been.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm great, Thank you? How are you?

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00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. Lincoln Heights, we had

771
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Rodney hitting, we had the big Mac Bridge fire, you

772
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 1>got the Bengals. Lease, are you still glad you won

773
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutorial race.

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00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 6>That's a really good question. My hair has been on.

775
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Fire for a little bit in addition to the bridge.

776
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you just kept catching story after story, big

777
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>case after big case. Careful what you want, you may

778
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 1>just get it now. I and this story kind of

779
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.920
<v Speaker 1>got bare. We had so much news over the weekend

780
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 1>here local crime and all sorts of things happening. But

781
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 1>it was just a fascinating thing because we always speculated

782
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>as to why that bridge would have caught fire, because

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00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>normally you look at a structure that is made of

784
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>steel and concrete and it doesn't burn. But this this melted,

785
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's just a fascinating piece of police

786
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 1>work and prosecutorial work. So hats off to you and

787
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 1>the department and the Sheriff's department for solving this.

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00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 6>Well, it really was the Cincinnati Fire Department, you know,

789
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 6>you know that's led by Chief Frank McKinley, but he's

790
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:07.039
<v Speaker 6>got fire investigators and they just did some gum shoe

791
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 6>investigating that panned out great, just putting their nose to

792
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 6>the grindstone and trying to track down those suspects.

793
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's one thing you don't think about fire investigations,

794
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>but they are. It's like postal investigators. You have done

795
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>think about it, but they're pitbulls. They're relentless and they

796
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>will investigate a case and come to try and get

797
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 1>it to a come to fruition presented to you to

798
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>be prosecutors. This case was too. Those investigators determined through

799
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 1>traffic cameras in the area it was a green van

800
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.559
<v Speaker 1>because we've all seen the images that night. You could

801
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>see the flames starting to lick the underside of the bridge,

802
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and of course a flame, a fire doubles every sixty seconds,

803
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and that was true in this one especially. But there

804
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.599
<v Speaker 1>was a van in the area and you could kind

805
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>of see it, but you didn't know what it was.

806
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>It was Grainy parked it. So your point about an

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00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>hour before the fire, can you give me some insight,

808
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>give us some insight as to how that lead developed.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, so the first thing that they fire investigators do

810
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 6>is they just survey the area in which the fire started.

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<v Speaker 6>And there are multiple surveillance cameras in the area that

812
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 6>are on buildings or on bridges or things on structures.

813
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 6>So they were doing that first, and they looked at

814
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 6>it very very carefully, because you have to be looking

815
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 6>for tiny, tiny leads. And they did see one vehicle

816
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 6>in the parking lot down at Soyer Point, and as

817
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 6>they looked at other types of video surveillance, they saw

818
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 6>that vehicle exit, they saw it enter, they saw it

819
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 6>on Renting Road, they thought on Agostin, and so they

820
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 6>started tracking it that way, and eventually somebody who was

821
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 6>working on the case realized that while they couldn't read

822
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 6>the license plate, they could tell that it was a

823
00:38:56.239 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 6>temporary tag. And this is what's really cool. They got

824
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 6>together with the BMV and they found out all the

825
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 6>green vans in this area with temporary tags, and they

826
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 6>started to find them. We have licensed plate readers all

827
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 6>over the place, and they found six of them, all

828
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:22.000
<v Speaker 6>six that the BMV said were here, and two of

829
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 6>them looked like the one they'd seen in the surveillance

830
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 6>camera on Pardony Sawyer Point and one of them was

831
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<v Speaker 6>registered to Caitlin Hall, and she was one of the

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<v Speaker 6>people involved.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an incredible police of investing a piece of investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's amazing that you would Okay, there's six vans.

835
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<v Speaker 1>This one matches the make model year. Who owns it? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Caitlyn Hall. So you interviewed Caitlyn Hall, and I

837
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>know that she and Terry Styles had three kids age.

838
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I believe she had the kids in the van at

839
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>that time.

840
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yes, yes.

841
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 6>He and Terry Styles, the guy who set the fire,

842
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 6>they have three children together and they were driving around

843
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 6>in the after midnight looking for electronic scooters to steal.

844
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Three o'clock in the morning. You got kids in the

845
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>back of a van. That's that's that's incredible right there

846
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 1>to me. I mean that just leaves you shaking your head.

847
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>What was the relation to us? So you had Terry Styles,

848
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Kalyn Hall and the three kids, and then Zachary Stump

849
00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>was also driving around. What was the relationship to the

850
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>other two.

851
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 6>They're just friends. Perhaps perhaps he looked up to Terry

852
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 6>Styles in some way. Yeah, And that's what we gathered

853
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 6>and look, these fire investigators They did a fantastic job

854
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 6>interviewing these people, and so did the police departments, and

855
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 6>we had Redding police involved, and because Caitlin was living

856
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 6>and reading and so they just did a great job

857
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 6>piece in this together and giving us all the evidence

858
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 6>we need. And as you know, they all confessed.

859
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Well for a minute, didn't the two flip on each other.

860
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Caitlin hal Ands Zachary Stump like pointed there, right, they're

861
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 1>they're accusing each other and and really didn't have any

862
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 1>other in the van, but Terry Styles wanted to set

863
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 1>the fire. And then finally you got him in the

864
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>box and he's like, yeah, I did it. That's incredible

865
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

866
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's not unusual for uh, it's not unusual for

867
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 6>codefendants to point a finger at somebody else. And Zachary

868
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.719
<v Speaker 6>Stump was the first one to do it. And Styles

869
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.719
<v Speaker 6>tried to tried to lie and he was a bad liar,

870
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 6>and and like you said, he said, yeah, I did it.

871
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 1>And then you had James Hamilton, who wasn't even there,

872
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 1>who was tried to help them of aid arrest as well,

873
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and just a bunch of these are not bright people

874
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you're dealing. Thank god, for that, Connie Pillach, they're not

875
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>bright people.

876
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but unfortunately this guy's passion for setting fire did

877
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 6>lead to an enormous cost for all of us, an

878
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.599
<v Speaker 6>enormous inconvenience everybody who used that bridge every day to

879
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 6>the businesses there. Thank goodness, nobody was killed. Well, it

880
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 6>could have been very, very bad.

881
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 4>Sure.

882
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean we all saw the footage of the smoke

883
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>building out from underneath that before y'all shut the bridge down.

884
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 1>But I also think of the traffic jams. I mean,

885
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>how many people got in fights or you know, we

886
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>are The nervous part about that was the gunplay. Somebody's

887
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 1>gonna pull a gun out because they're stuck in a

888
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 1>two hour delay and cooler health fortunately prevailed, But there

889
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of angry people for that one hundred

890
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>day period that had to take side roads in and

891
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.639
<v Speaker 1>around Cincinnati to get over the to get around the

892
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:34.360
<v Speaker 1>bridge closure.

893
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 6>Yes, it was it was more than an inconvenience, but

894
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 6>that's what we call it, an inconvenience. It was certainly

895
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 6>a big problem for everybody.

896
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Connie Pillaw Shamblin County prosecutor of the show this morning,

897
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>talking about which feels like with all the news this

898
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 1>passed the past few days. It's kind of older news,

899
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but fascinating the reasons why and the arrest made, and

900
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>largely because of the good old fashioned detective work of

901
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Fire Gartment to get a confession out of

902
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Terry Styles for causing the big MacBridge fire back on

903
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.800
<v Speaker 1>November first that had things shut down for one hundred days,

904
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 1>and he did it because he likes to set fire.

905
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's as simple as answers. There's a lot of speculation,

906
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is that what was the cause? And we caught a

907
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.559
<v Speaker 1>I caught and amount of people called aras because we

908
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>brought up, well, it's Halloween. Wasn't a bunch of juveniles. Also,

909
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it was cold on that November first night. Could have

910
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>been homeless people trying to start a fire to keep warm.

911
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I think when we try to get to the who's

912
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>and you start the whys as far as investigation goes,

913
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 1>and you tell me as a prosecutor, it doesn't mean

914
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that those individuals are responsible. But I think it would

915
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 1>be reasonable for an investigator. Okay, well we got a

916
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 1>van down there, looked at video. Could homeless people been

917
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 1>witnesses are involved? And so you normally canvass that community.

918
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>How long did it take and what was the process

919
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 1>before you figured it out? Okay, it wasn't either of

920
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>those things. It was actually someone else and we've got

921
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>this green van. Was that pretty much from the jump

922
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 1>where we're all things on the table prior to you

923
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>come across.

924
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.199
<v Speaker 6>Well, certainly everything was on the table in the beginning.

925
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 6>But when the investigators start looking at this, they have

926
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 6>great training. Obviously we saw how it played out, and

927
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 6>they do what they're supposed to do. They start by

928
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 6>looking at the physical area, and then they start looking

929
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 6>for clues and they were able to find them in

930
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 6>this case. And as we all know, it was an

931
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 6>idiot who likes to set fires and it got way

932
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 6>out of control, and we know it wasn't any of

933
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 6>those other possibilities. But that you know, every fire is

934
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 6>going to be different.

935
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean you start with what you think

936
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, where do we begin here? I mean, obviously,

937
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you know, I don't know, question school kids because

938
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 1>school wasn't in session at that point. But it's Halloween.

939
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, you know, is it a bunch of juveniles

940
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.639
<v Speaker 1>that are doing stupid stuff? Because it's Halloween, is it

941
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>homeless is And it turns out it's none of that.

942
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just a guy who says he likes to set

943
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>fires relative to that county pillage. Do we have any

944
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 1>in indication he may be linked to other arsons that

945
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 1>are unsolved.

946
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 6>He did tell the investigators that he had set fires

947
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 6>for many years, but I have no information about what

948
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 6>those fires.

949
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Were, and maybe not even big enough to warrant. But again,

950
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't going to confess with that because that's more

951
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 1>years probably, and even he's dumb enough to not dumb

952
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 1>enough to not shut the hell up.

953
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 6>The fire investigators did have a great impact on him, however,

954
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 6>At the end of the interview, he said, let me see,

955
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 6>I got it written here. He told the fire investigators

956
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 6>he loved them, and he thanked them for keeping Cincinnati

957
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 6>safe from criminals.

958
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's almost like, I don't know, that's almost cartoon

959
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like in a sense where the guy gives it up

960
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and says, you got good people. I'm glad you caught

961
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 1>me and got me off the street. It's kind of scary, actually,

962
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>And then when you think about how creepy.

963
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 6>That is, it's certainly ironic.

964
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like the Joker of fires almost in a sense.

965
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank god you got me off the street, because I

966
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 1>would have done more. I would have done worse, and

967
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 1>you're right, it could have been worse. There's no loss

968
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>of life here. I know, Connie Pillotch that they hung

969
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 1>around after the fire was lit because we saw some

970
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of the video evidence and the video of the monitoring

971
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 1>down there. Couldn't really pick a lot of stuff out,

972
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like they hung around after it was

973
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>lit for a few minutes. Did they leave when it

974
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 1>got out of control? Did they know how bad it was?

975
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And if not, what point did they learn? Oh my god,

976
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we did something really really bad here?

977
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 6>So they did not know how bad it was. They

978
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 6>lit the fire around two fifty six am, and the

979
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 6>video cameras, you know, the surveillance cameras nearby, detected a glow,

980
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 6>and within two minutes of that, the surveillance video showed

981
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 6>dials and stumps elsewhere, you know, walking away from the playground,

982
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 6>and then the van drove away. It exited Sawyer Points

983
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 6>at three h five am. So they weren't there a

984
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 6>lot a long time. But I can tell you by

985
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 6>three thirds just eight minutes after that there was a fire,

986
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 6>and I.

987
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Think a few minutes after that was like three fifteen.

988
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Three sixteen is when the first nine one one call

989
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 1>came in from me driving over the bridge, said, there's

990
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 1>smoke coming off from it. You got a big fire

991
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 1>going on there. And so it was only a matter

992
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 1>of minutes between when they left and this thing really

993
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>really took off as a as a much bigger fire

994
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:31.480
<v Speaker 1>than was intended.

995
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, and keep in mind that here's how it started.

996
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 6>So Perry's styles when they were on the playground, he

997
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 6>just gathered together some debris and some brush and he

998
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 6>lit it on fire. Well, he tried to light it

999
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 6>with his lighter, but he didn't really ignite the way

1000
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 6>he wanted it to. So he took his arm and

1001
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 6>he just pushed it all away, and instead of putting

1002
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 6>it out, what it did was send moldering embers across

1003
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.159
<v Speaker 6>the playground's surface. And if you've been on a playground

1004
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.800
<v Speaker 6>in the last few years, you know that they have

1005
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 6>composite wood, and they have you know, fake wood, They

1006
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 6>have rubberized surface that softer, So all of this is

1007
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 6>very flammable, but it's never going to be you know,

1008
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.639
<v Speaker 6>spontaneously combusted. It has to be lit on fire, and

1009
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 6>that's that's what caused it. That's what led to such

1010
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 6>a ferocious fire because of all the petroleum products in

1011
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 6>those materials that are on the playground.

1012
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.199
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Connie's an after effect this whole thing.

1013
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>And you, as a student of the law as well,

1014
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>you may recall the Beverly Hill Supper Called fire in

1015
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven, of course much more tragic than we're talking

1016
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>about here because the substantial loss of human life there.

1017
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 1>But that was traced to you know, Stan Chesley, a

1018
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>name who most Cincinnatias know the name of, first came

1019
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.760
<v Speaker 1>on the scene and prosecuted that as a faulty wiring thing.

1020
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>We had aluminum wiring in the luminum wiring and the

1021
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 1>electrical codes change as all of the Beverly Hill Supper

1022
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Club fire in Kentucky fast forward now to twenty twenty

1023
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>five or twenty twenty four would have been. I look

1024
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>at this and I wonder if playground standards are going

1025
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>to change because they use basically recycled ground up tire

1026
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 1>material for the base at the bottom of play and

1027
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense, right, It's a rubber tire, it's bouncy,

1028
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't degrade like regular mulch. Does you have the

1029
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.559
<v Speaker 1>plastic material that is a composite decking that's made up

1030
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these play structors. I wonder if things

1031
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>are going to change relative to how they build these

1032
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>public parks and public spaces, because if that's combustible, now

1033
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not common knowledge. And you wonder how many more

1034
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 1>fire and playgrounds are not cheap. This then cost a

1035
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of money to build the thousand hands playground. That

1036
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:44.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe those standards changers all to this fire.

1037
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, that certainly remains to be seen. But we did

1038
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 6>talk about about this with the fire investigators that I

1039
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 6>met with, and they at this point, the sense is

1040
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 6>that this playground is not new. It's been there for decades.

1041
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 6>It's probably was updated updated twenty years ago. It's inspected regularly.

1042
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.079
<v Speaker 6>No one's ever had a concern about its spontaneously combussing.

1043
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:15.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we have to remember this was list on.

1044
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Purpose, right right, but with the fact that just a

1045
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 1>lighter and he spread it around and the next thing,

1046
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<v Speaker 1>you know, eleven million dollars in damage to a bridge.

1047
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And wonder if that changes where we place these structures

1048
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and I remember my kids were a little down there

1049
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 1>and maybe down at there, and I think my kids

1050
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 1>were playing in that same structure. I've seen that thing

1051
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>a million times, never thought it would be the source

1052
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 1>of a fire. Fortunately, no one was injured or died

1053
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 1>as a result of this thing, and the guy that

1054
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>did it is now looking at up to thirteen and

1055
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 1>a half years behind bars as well he should, and

1056
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he'll be monitored when he comes out. Connie Poltch,

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<v Speaker 1>before I let you go, congratulations getting the Bengals deal done.

1058
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 1>I know if your ears were burning. In the first

1059
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 1>out of the show, I had Commissioner a Lisha Reeson saying, well,

1060
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.079
<v Speaker 1>this is not a new deal. She said, this is

1061
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 1>just an extension to the old deal and basically you

1062
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<v Speaker 1>erase the deadline for today for the thing to be signed,

1063
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and nothing's changed at this point. How do you react

1064
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to her statement saying that this thing could still go

1065
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 1>off the rails?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, nobody can predict the future, but what

1067
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 6>I can say is that the commissioners came up with

1068
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.239
<v Speaker 6>some terms they wanted to see and the Bengals agreed

1069
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 6>to them. And the Mangles sent an email out to

1070
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 6>their season ticket holders on last Thursday when the commissioners

1071
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.480
<v Speaker 6>voted on this and they said the subject line was

1072
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 6>here to stay. So I think everybody's really really excited

1073
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 6>that they are here to stay. This is going to

1074
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 6>be a new lease and there will be a whole

1075
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 6>bunch of changes. First of all, the Bengals are going

1076
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.199
<v Speaker 6>to pay rents. Second of all, they're going to commit

1077
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 6>some real money to upgrades. Third, they're going to increase

1078
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 6>community access, and they are not going to be vetoing

1079
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 6>development of any of the remaining undeveloped parcels on the

1080
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 6>on the riverfront. So we have a lot of a

1081
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 6>lot of things that are going for us. And also

1082
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 6>there are going to be no new taxes. So so

1083
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 6>I look at it as we've got a very exciting

1084
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 6>future here. All the legal documents have to be drafted,

1085
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 6>and as a lawyer, I know that those take time

1086
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 6>and we have to make sure we dot all our

1087
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 6>eyes and cross all our d's and the Bengals will

1088
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 6>do the same. But I mean, what a great day

1089
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 6>for the community that the county and the Bengals could

1090
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 6>come together and work together for a good deal for everybody.

1091
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 6>I'm just I'm just so thrilled that the Bengals came

1092
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 6>to the table and that's they are embracing a collaborative

1093
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 6>uh process with us. It just it just speaks to

1094
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:56.800
<v Speaker 6>a really beautiful future we could have.

1095
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>You can see why people aren't old jaded by this though,

1096
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.360
<v Speaker 1>right of course. Yeah, yeah, it's been thirty years of

1097
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>a bad, bad but you're not going to get and

1098
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>use attorney. You appreciates this too. You're not going to

1099
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 1>go from the worst deal to the best deal. It's

1100
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a period of deals to get

1101
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 1>this done. But hopefully this is a step in the

1102
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 1>right direction and we'll see what the nuances are here

1103
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 1>inside it. So I appreciate Alsia Reese and you today

1104
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 1>for jumping on the show. Connie Pelachambler County Prosecutor, I

1105
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 1>know you got a role I'm up against news, but

1106
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.360
<v Speaker 1>thanks for taking time out as always, appreciate it so much.

1107
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.199
<v Speaker 1>My pleasure be well, prosecutor of a Hamlet County. There

1108
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 1>you go, damn this thing with that bridge fire. You

1109
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>just look at that and go, wait, you started that

1110
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 1>because you just like to start fires. You've let a

1111
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 1>playground structure. Thirty nine year old man doing this Sometimes

1112
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 1>it just is what it is. Right with crime, we

1113
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>try to look at different angles on and go, well,

1114
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the you know I mentioned I

1115
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 1>would look at homeless people to start. Didn't mean they

1116
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 1>did it, but that would be a logical thing as

1117
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>well as juveniles. It's Halloween, maybe a bunch of teenagers

1118
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and kids are out there doing some knucklehead kind of

1119
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff and it leads to this. But this guy was

1120
00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, I wanted to light the playground because

1121
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 1>I like to start fires. Oh okay, nothing to say here,

1122
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Fortunately they caught him. Help worked by our

1123
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.719
<v Speaker 1>fire department.

1124
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 8>By the way, that those in the fire services thoughts

1125
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 8>and prayers as you lost a couple of firefighters in

1126
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 8>Idaho where they targeted attack the firefighters in case you

1127
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 8>didn't hear this, were lured to a fire and we're

1128
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 8>subsequently shot by an assailant who's also dead at this point.

1129
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>So it's a dangerous job. But then you compound it

1130
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>with something like that, it's just a leads you scratching

1131
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.519
<v Speaker 1>your head anyway, got to get the news. Scott's loan

1132
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 1>continues after this, it's mental health Monday. God knows, we needed.

1133
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Julie h is here to talk about. It's seven hundred

1134
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:37.519
<v Speaker 1>WLWD Cincinnati. Everyone needs help every now and then, and

1135
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>she's here to help us get our heads right. This

1136
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 1>is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Headtershire. Yeah,

1137
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>we do it on Mondays because that's when you need

1138
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 1>it the most. Am I right or wrong about that?

1139
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Julie?

1140
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.480
<v Speaker 1>You need it the most one Monday. It's just it's

1141
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>too damn much with the heat, the news cycle, it's

1142
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>just too much.

1143
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 9>And you're back at work again and life is a grind.

1144
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 10>Weekend is over.

1145
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It is a grind. Sometimes the weekends are grind too.

1146
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.000
<v Speaker 1>There's often and I'll be the weekend going I cannot

1147
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 1>wait to go back to work and take it easy.

1148
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 10>Given the weekends you've been having. I believe that.

1149
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Ye yeah, yeah, so you want to you want to

1150
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>get in the house business now, good luck with it?

1151
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<v Speaker 6>All right?

1152
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 1>So let's jump into this one. It's called default parents syndrome.

1153
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>And we've had a lot of names for this or

1154
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>in the minute you say what it is, default parent syndrome,

1155
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 1>people go oh oh yeah that. So go ahead and

1156
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>lay this out in what the issue is okay.

1157
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<v Speaker 9>So default parent syndrome is when you have two parents

1158
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 9>of children in the home and one of them does

1159
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 9>the vast majority of the invisible labor associated with running

1160
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 9>the kids' lives and the home life. It's not that

1161
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 9>they do all the actual execution of things, although they

1162
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 9>often do a lot of it, but they do all

1163
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:58.119
<v Speaker 9>the invisible labor. They know who needs doctor's appointments, who

1164
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.199
<v Speaker 9>needs scentists appointments, who the doctor and dentist are, and

1165
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:04.079
<v Speaker 9>how to go about making them, and the other parents

1166
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 9>tends to be the one who says, I'll do anything

1167
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.280
<v Speaker 9>to help, just let me know what I need to do.

1168
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 9>So it becomes like the household manager or the CEO

1169
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 9>and the assistant that they delegate things to on an

1170
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 9>as needed basis. All right, so it's a power and balance.

1171
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so give me the give me the numbers here.

1172
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:26.159
<v Speaker 1>How often does fall on mom?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, it's interesting because it frequently historically has fallen

1174
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.800
<v Speaker 9>on mom, and I would say that it still typically does.

1175
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 9>But in same sex couples when they have children, there

1176
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 9>may be two moms, or that may be no mom,

1177
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 9>and so it tends to fall on one parent more

1178
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.599
<v Speaker 9>than the other, and if we think about it, historically,

1179
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 9>it used to be true that generally speaking, one parent

1180
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.320
<v Speaker 9>worked outside the home and the other parent managed the

1181
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 9>home and the children. Now we typically have both parents

1182
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 9>working outside the home at least part time, and still

1183
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 9>the vast majority of the child and home life management

1184
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 9>falls on one of those parents.

1185
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. An interesting thing in a dynamic is that

1186
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in that. My mom was stay at

1187
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 1>home mom, raised your kids, love my mom. And my

1188
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 1>dad would be working in sometimes multiple jobs. He was

1189
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a hustler. I learned that from him. Great work ethic

1190
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.679
<v Speaker 1>my dad had. And now you know, hey, the glass

1191
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>ceiling is broken and women are getting theirs and women

1192
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 1>are actually succeeding at greater rates than men, and so

1193
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.920
<v Speaker 1>you'd think this model would change where now okay, hey,

1194
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 1>you know it's more dad, and we live in this

1195
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>age and today where men are more accepting and going.

1196
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.199
<v Speaker 1>You know what, Women in the workplace is a wonderful thing.

1197
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 1>I benefit from it. I'm none of my friends benefit

1198
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.039
<v Speaker 1>from it. I'm very rarely do I have a friend

1199
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.880
<v Speaker 1>where it's just one person stays home. That seems to

1200
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.599
<v Speaker 1>be rather antiquated and quaint, But I thought for sure

1201
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that the task of child raising and home management would

1202
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:49.159
<v Speaker 1>be split. But it's not.

1203
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 9>No, it actually has shifted very little. It actually has

1204
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 9>shifted very little. So women have an entire and I'm

1205
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 9>talking about heterosexual marriages here, typically speaking, women have an

1206
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 9>entire second shift that becomes managing the house, running the

1207
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 9>children places, managing the running of the children places, hiring

1208
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 9>the home help if there is home help, training the

1209
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 9>home help, like training the sitter or the nanny or

1210
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 9>the housekeeper, and managing all of that. And men still

1211
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.559
<v Speaker 9>in a heterosexual relationship tend to fall into the going

1212
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:28.079
<v Speaker 9>to work, managing the yard, the cars, and the home.

1213
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.079
<v Speaker 10>Maintenance kind of stuff.

1214
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 9>But when it comes to the running of the family's life,

1215
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 9>and those are not unnecessary or unimportant things, so make

1216
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.840
<v Speaker 9>no mistake. But when it comes to running the home

1217
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 9>and the family life, they take a backseat. And they

1218
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 9>frequently say, and I see this in my office all

1219
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 9>the time. They frequently say, all she has to do

1220
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 9>is ask me for help. I'll do anything she tells

1221
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 9>me to or asks me to. All she has to

1222
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.159
<v Speaker 9>do is u And the women in this case say,

1223
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 9>I don't want to have to ask. He walks by

1224
00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:00.360
<v Speaker 9>the overflowing laundry basket ten times a day, a load

1225
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 9>in right, Well, he sees.

1226
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although I will be somewhat defensive here and say

1227
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.880
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and you may hear this in your practice too,

1228
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Julie Hatish. Here is that a guy go, well, you know,

1229
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll jump in and do something, and then I might

1230
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 1>get in trouble because I'm doing it wrong or it's

1231
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>not the way she would do it. And I, you know,

1232
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, well, if I volunteer, it's wrong

1233
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>because I should just lean in and accept responsibility, just

1234
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 1>take over. But if I start doing that, she's going

1235
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>to feel like her domain is threatened and I'm doing

1236
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.400
<v Speaker 1>it wrong. And so that's another So damn if I

1237
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>do damned if I don't. How common is that?

1238
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.320
<v Speaker 10>Exactly? Pretty common? Pretty common?

1239
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 9>And for one thing, there's this concept of weaponized incompetence

1240
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.800
<v Speaker 9>that we may talk about on a future show in

1241
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 9>greater detail, but basically, people who don't, people who don't

1242
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.920
<v Speaker 9>want to do something that they are being asked to do,

1243
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 9>do it badly so that then the person asking says,

1244
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:54.920
<v Speaker 9>oh my gosh, it's just so.

1245
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.159
<v Speaker 10>Much easier if I do it myself. And so then

1246
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 10>they get out of having to do it.

1247
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 9>I'm not saying that's always happening, it is a thing,

1248
01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 9>But in this shifting dynamic, we the dominant parent, the

1249
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 9>default parent, has been the one who has thought this

1250
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 9>is their actual job. So if somebody comes in and

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<v Speaker 9>starts to take their job away, of course they're going

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<v Speaker 9>to be a little personicity about how it gets sat

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<v Speaker 9>right and maybe.

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<v Speaker 10>A little reluctance to let go.

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<v Speaker 9>If you've ever had to delegate part of your actual

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<v Speaker 9>job to somebody else, certainly you kind of micromanaged for

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<v Speaker 9>a while and maybe been unhappy with how they did it,

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<v Speaker 9>even though it got done. And so the default parent,

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<v Speaker 9>if they want the other parent to step up, they

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<v Speaker 9>have to learn to step back. And so when I

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<v Speaker 9>talk to my clients about this, it's not just the

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<v Speaker 9>one parent stepping in, but it's the other allowing that

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<v Speaker 9>to happen. It's coming to some agreement about what, for example,

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<v Speaker 9>a clean bathroom looks like, and then taking your hands

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<v Speaker 9>off the wheel and letting the other parent clean the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You've got to relinquish that control. And I could

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes in life because I'm kind of control thinking I

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<v Speaker 1>would be guilty of Dad's like, well, I want to help,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do it it's not right, so yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell do you want me to do? And dummy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I want to help, and now I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to ask because you know you'll be offended. But if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, then you're still upset. So yeah, I can't win.

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<v Speaker 9>It sometimes takes a little navigating and a little negotiation

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<v Speaker 9>to get to a place where both people feel good

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<v Speaker 9>about what they're doing, but the benefits to relationships and

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<v Speaker 9>the benefits to children in those relationships far out weigh

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<v Speaker 9>the struggle to get there. It's incredibly important for both

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<v Speaker 9>people to feel like they have a partner in this life,

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<v Speaker 9>because really, when we look at two income households and

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<v Speaker 9>children doing as many things as most kids do these days,

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<v Speaker 9>and the demands that perhaps older parents or other family

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<v Speaker 9>members put on us, we need to share the load

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<v Speaker 9>much more equally than we do whether you're a same

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<v Speaker 9>sex household or an opposite sex household. But also, kids

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<v Speaker 9>need to see that both parents participate in their lives.

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<v Speaker 9>They need to see that dad and mom, or mom

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<v Speaker 9>and mom, or dad and dad can take me to

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<v Speaker 9>the doctor nowhere I'm supposed to be when I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 9>to be there just one parent I can go to

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<v Speaker 9>for these things. I have two adults in my life

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<v Speaker 9>who care about me and are engaged and involved.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called default parent syndrome and it's the source of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of marital strife and divorces for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Juliettershare, a licensed mental health therapist on the show

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<v Speaker 1>It's Mental Health Monday with Julie on seven hundred w

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<v Speaker 1>W Scott's Loan Show, and this I could totally make

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<v Speaker 1>sense because the issue is the fact that, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, we're married and we're sharing this, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>burnt out because I feel I'm working, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>being the manager of the household as well, and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like instead of maybe two kids, I have three

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<v Speaker 1>if you include my significant other. I'm sure it does

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<v Speaker 1>happen where you know, men are involved in that too,

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<v Speaker 1>but largely it has done about eighty percent on moms

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<v Speaker 1>and the female in the house. Unfortunately that hasn't changed

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<v Speaker 1>too much. So how do you fix this?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, first of all, you recognize that it's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 9>And when I get people in my office and the

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<v Speaker 9>man says, you know, I'll do anything that she tells

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<v Speaker 9>me or asked me too.

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<v Speaker 10>I say, if you had.

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<v Speaker 9>An employee who only did exactly what you asked when

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<v Speaker 9>you asked, and only that one time, would you keep

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01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.920
<v Speaker 9>that employee around? And they typically say no, And I say, well,

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01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 9>welcome to her world. Because if she has to ask

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<v Speaker 9>you every time to take the trash out, or every

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<v Speaker 9>time to do the laundry er, every time to pick

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<v Speaker 9>up the kids after school, then she's having to manage

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<v Speaker 9>you and everything else she's having to manage. So bringing

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<v Speaker 9>awareness to it, making the invisible visible, making the implicit explicit,

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<v Speaker 9>letting people know the amount of work that goes into

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<v Speaker 9>managing a family's life, and then helping the woman put

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<v Speaker 9>in this case in a heterosexual relationship, helping the default

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<v Speaker 9>parent back off and transfer responsibility and let the consequences

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<v Speaker 9>fall where the consequences fall, So not reminding the other

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<v Speaker 9>parent to check the entire soccer bag and if the

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<v Speaker 9>kid gets there and they don't have their shin guards,

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<v Speaker 9>well what's that parent going to do? So allowing the

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<v Speaker 9>consequences to happen so that people can see what needs

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<v Speaker 9>to occur on the front end. Sometimes we learn best

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<v Speaker 9>by consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so how do you make someone suffer those consequences?

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<v Speaker 1>What does that look like? It's like, okay, well we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to agree to do this, and if you don't,

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<v Speaker 1>then what happens? I mean, how do you get that

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<v Speaker 1>other person to.

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 9>In my example, then the kid goes to the game

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<v Speaker 9>without the shin guards. And when I'm talking to couples

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<v Speaker 9>about this, I will say, okay, so if the default

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<v Speaker 9>parent died tomorrow, would you make sure your kid had

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<v Speaker 9>shin guards? And if your kid didn't have shin guards

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<v Speaker 9>for the soccer game, would you figure something out? Would

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<v Speaker 9>you leave them there with another parent and go buy

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01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:40.719
<v Speaker 9>a pair? Would you see if you can borrow some

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<v Speaker 9>from the team from someone else on the team.

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<v Speaker 10>What would you do?

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<v Speaker 9>So empowering the non default parent to step in in

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<v Speaker 9>problem solve something They may not have had to step

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<v Speaker 9>in problem solve before because it's been taken care of

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<v Speaker 9>on the front end. But if that other parent weren't there, right,

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<v Speaker 9>if that other parent weren't there and they got to

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01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.960
<v Speaker 9>the game without a water bottle or a soccer shin

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01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:06.800
<v Speaker 9>guards or whatever, they have to figure something out. And

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<v Speaker 9>part of it is the default parent then stepping back

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<v Speaker 9>and letting that happen, letting that occur, and letting the

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<v Speaker 9>kid and the parent in this case figure it out.

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<v Speaker 9>So the natural consequences of not being prepared on the

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<v Speaker 9>front end are you've got to figure something out on

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<v Speaker 9>the back end, and once you do that once or twice,

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<v Speaker 9>you're not going to be doing that again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also a good lesson for the kid, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and if it's if it's a four or

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<v Speaker 1>five year old, much different than than an eight or

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<v Speaker 1>ten year old. I mean, by eight, nine, ten, you

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<v Speaker 1>should be remember to bring your own bad or your

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<v Speaker 1>glove or your shin guards. It's on you.

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<v Speaker 9>Exactly exactly, And so that teaches cooperation and empowerment to

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<v Speaker 9>everyone involved. But if the default parent tries too hard

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<v Speaker 9>to prevent anything from going wrong, then the non default

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<v Speaker 9>parent doesn't really learn how to manage when things do

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<v Speaker 9>go wrong, and they do. It's just natural.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a little bit of this play maybe on

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<v Speaker 1>that default parent.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 9>I wouldn't say blame, I'd say responsibility. They both share responsibility,

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01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:12.639
<v Speaker 9>the default parent overfunctions and the non default parent under functions.

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<v Speaker 9>And you can't just ask one to step up. You

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<v Speaker 9>also have to ask the other to step back and

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<v Speaker 9>give them concrete ways to do that.

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<v Speaker 10>Because when you shift.

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<v Speaker 9>That power imbalance and it becomes more fluid and more equitable,

1384
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:28.719
<v Speaker 9>everybody wins. The non default parent steps in and has

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<v Speaker 9>many more rich and full experiences with their kids than

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<v Speaker 9>they would otherwise have had. And I've got a personal

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<v Speaker 9>story about this. When I did grad school, my kids

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<v Speaker 9>were young, and my then husband worked a very busy,

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<v Speaker 9>very demanding job, and my grad school schedule did not

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<v Speaker 9>coordinate very well.

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<v Speaker 10>With my kids' school schedules.

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<v Speaker 9>So he had to be much more on point in

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<v Speaker 9>the afternoons and evenings when I was in school for

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<v Speaker 9>two years than he had had to be before, and

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<v Speaker 9>he juggled his life around to make that happen. And

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<v Speaker 9>at the end of my school he said those were

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<v Speaker 9>some of the two best years of his life. He

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<v Speaker 9>had no idea how much he was missing when he

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<v Speaker 9>was not with the boys, and he had no idea

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<v Speaker 9>how much better their relationship would be as a result

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<v Speaker 9>of that, and he was grateful.

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<v Speaker 10>For that time. But had that not happened, we would.

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<v Speaker 9>Have continued on with him coming home in the evenings

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<v Speaker 9>and being home on the weekends and me doing the

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<v Speaker 9>vast majority of the work during.

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<v Speaker 1>The week Oh wow yeah, and sometimes think, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got really stressful at work, but you don't put

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<v Speaker 1>yourself because you think it's an easy job being the

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<v Speaker 1>manager of the household. And that's not true at all, Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>Before I let you go, sadly, we know that money

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<v Speaker 1>is the biggest driver of divorce in America. It's always been.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the constant behind that maybe in Fidelli, but what

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<v Speaker 1>does this rate?

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<v Speaker 10>It's right now, it's right up there. In my practice.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know the national statistics, but I will tell

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<v Speaker 9>you in my practice, a lot of people, men and women,

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<v Speaker 9>are fed up with doing all of the work and

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<v Speaker 9>essentially being a single parent in a two parent home,

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<v Speaker 9>and when they can't get their partners on board, they're

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<v Speaker 9>cutting out because they're saying, if I have to be

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<v Speaker 9>a single parent, I may as well actually be a

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<v Speaker 9>single parent and only have to do it part of

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<v Speaker 9>the time, because then the other part of the time,

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<v Speaker 9>my partner's with the kids and I get a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit of a break. So it's on the rise.

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<v Speaker 1>May have money and infidelity, I get those, but this

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<v Speaker 1>one bothers me deeply because you're throwing a relationship away,

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<v Speaker 1>love away because of basically schedules of modern society and.

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<v Speaker 9>An unwillingness on either one or both partner's parts to

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<v Speaker 9>shift the relationship dynamic enough to make it work for both.

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<v Speaker 9>So therapy helps. I always say therapy helps, but recognizing

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<v Speaker 9>that if you want somebody to step up, you also

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01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 9>have to step back and not be hypercritical of how

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<v Speaker 9>they do the job and not micromanage how they do

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<v Speaker 9>the job.

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<v Speaker 10>That's important too.

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<v Speaker 1>She's Julie Hattershare, our license mental health therapist right here

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincy, and it's Mental Health Monday with Julie Hattershare,

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<v Speaker 1>and she joins this time, have week got a idea

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe a future topic. It's Hey, Julie at B

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<v Speaker 1>connected to od care the letter B connected dot care

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<v Speaker 1>and you can reach out to her directly. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>next week. You have a great one. Thanks again, good.

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<v Speaker 10>Stuff, Thank you, take care, Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>News is on the way in just seconds here on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred ww W. In return, she's Councilmember Anna Alby

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<v Speaker 1>appearing on the show for the first time since he

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<v Speaker 1>has a crime plan. Well that's good because we need one.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, the Bay Horse Cafe, which I frequent I'm downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that bar got shot up in another drive by

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<v Speaker 1>that consecutive sundays we had something like that happen. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the plan stand next seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. It'slani here

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<v Speaker 1>back on seven hundred ww Sadly two Sunday nights in

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<v Speaker 1>a row gunfire in the area around aeronoff the air

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<v Speaker 1>and off. Last night. I was just down there for

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<v Speaker 1>a wedding on Saturday out that way, and so last

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<v Speaker 1>night bullets flew through the front of the Bay Horse Caf.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the Bay Horse Cafe, by the way, there's

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01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 1>something about the Neon Horse, and it's just a cool

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01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.920
<v Speaker 1>vibe inside that bar. But I was shocked to see

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01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 1>plywood on the windows this morning. And this after city

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01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:06.720
<v Speaker 1>leaders rolled out a new plan, the latest plan to

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01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:10.199
<v Speaker 1>combat shootings. Let's not forget we had two Sunday in

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01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.800
<v Speaker 1>s in a row bullet shot around where people are gathering.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like just after eleven o'clock at night,

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01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and they just had a new plan unveiled to combat crime,

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01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:23.439
<v Speaker 1>particularly youth violence and everything else downtown. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>part of this and that would be council Member Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Alby on the Scottslane Show, I believe for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time on seven hundred wlw welcome. It's great to have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, good morning. Thank you so much. I appreciate the

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<v Speaker 3>insight and I'm glad to be here with you.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really hard. I think you said too. It's like,

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01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:40.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're not going to solve this with one

1476
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.840
<v Speaker 1>bit of an idea or legislation or whatever it is.

1477
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It's an ongoing battle because people going to shoot, right.

1478
01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's true because I know you rolled out the

1479
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:52.079
<v Speaker 1>act plan where we had that space over a year ago. Right,

1480
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:54.800
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you got all these adolescents that

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01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>have guns and they're shooting each other. You had what

1482
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.319
<v Speaker 1>three or four people under fourteen dine accidental shoot and

1483
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.439
<v Speaker 1>everything else. And it's just it's a sad, sad thing.

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01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.840
<v Speaker 1>But that was the old plan and now we have

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01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.479
<v Speaker 1>a new plan and so we just I think to

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01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.039
<v Speaker 1>maybe people listening, it feels like we're just cadding, adding

1487
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:12.880
<v Speaker 1>more plans and the feel is we're not making progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think this isn't necessarily new plan, but part

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01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:18.640
<v Speaker 3>of it so let me take a step back and

1491
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.640
<v Speaker 3>just talk big picture for a second. You know, tackling

1492
01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:24.039
<v Speaker 3>gun violence or any kind of violence. You know, it's

1493
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:26.800
<v Speaker 3>got to be a multifaceted approach, right, We got to

1494
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 3>look at everything from you know, how are we supporting

1495
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:33.600
<v Speaker 3>law enforcement making sure we've got boots on the ground there,

1496
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 3>to how are we providing those fostering safe communities right

1497
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:40.600
<v Speaker 3>making sure people housing, access to food, good paying jobs,

1498
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:43.760
<v Speaker 3>all of that. So you mentioned it already expercinity, so

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01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:47.479
<v Speaker 3>that stands for achieving change together. So we rolled that

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01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.119
<v Speaker 3>out January, I want to say this year, and there's

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01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of five main pillars there. The first one is

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01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:57.479
<v Speaker 3>thriving neighborhoods Again, how do we make places in Cincinnati

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01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:59.760
<v Speaker 3>safe for people to be whether that's you know, there

1504
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.520
<v Speaker 3>mayos or being able to go down to the garden,

1505
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:04.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, the pocket garden on this corner or whatever.

1506
01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:08.319
<v Speaker 3>The second part is reducing access of guns for kids,

1507
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:10.119
<v Speaker 3>and I want to make sure we talk about this

1508
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:12.560
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more because that is a big challenge

1509
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.840
<v Speaker 3>right now. The next two makes sense. It's improving well

1510
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.560
<v Speaker 3>being and improving youth support. So making sure we're providing

1511
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:22.800
<v Speaker 3>folks access to not just mental health, but like emotional

1512
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.359
<v Speaker 3>well being, especially folks who've been impacted by trauma in

1513
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:29.359
<v Speaker 3>the past, and then improving youth support. The emphasis there

1514
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.159
<v Speaker 3>is how do we give kids safe places to be

1515
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.119
<v Speaker 3>in safe adults to be with, So you can think

1516
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:37.640
<v Speaker 3>of Boys and Gholst Club or other organizations like what

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01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Mitch Morris does to give kids safe places to be

1518
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:42.720
<v Speaker 3>after school and on weekends. And the last piece is

1519
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.000
<v Speaker 3>evidence based policing. I think that one's pretty makes a

1520
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.239
<v Speaker 3>lot of sense, right. We understand what that means and

1521
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.600
<v Speaker 3>how we let data drive the process. So what we

1522
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.079
<v Speaker 3>talked about are introduced last week around some of the

1523
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 3>tactics we're going to be already are Sipploying Downtown really

1524
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 3>roll up into one or many of those buckets, right,

1525
01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:06.680
<v Speaker 3>So evidence at based policing we talked about we're going

1526
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:09.199
<v Speaker 3>to have drones now that are going to be able

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01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:12.239
<v Speaker 3>to help augment our first responders and get there quickly.

1528
01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:14.560
<v Speaker 3>We're going to have a roving task force that can

1529
01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 3>really focus on hot spots in the community that we're

1530
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:20.319
<v Speaker 3>going to have shots. We're going to be expanding Shot

1531
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.399
<v Speaker 3>Spotter and that comes with a lot of great information

1532
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 3>on the back end because that connects to our Crime

1533
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Gun Intelligence Center, so there's a lot there. And then

1534
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, we talked about the reducing access of guns

1535
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:35.119
<v Speaker 3>for kids. A big problem right now is that people

1536
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:38.920
<v Speaker 3>are leaving their guns unsecured in their car, and kids

1537
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.640
<v Speaker 3>are breaking in stealing a gun and leaving a gun

1538
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:43.960
<v Speaker 3>under the front seat of your driver, you know, of

1539
01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.800
<v Speaker 3>the car just isn't a safe place for it. So

1540
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:48.560
<v Speaker 3>that's one big message I want to make sure we

1541
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.079
<v Speaker 3>share with all our responsible gun owners that yeah, you're

1542
01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 3>gun with you in the car, it's got to be

1543
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 3>locked in.

1544
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.199
<v Speaker 1>And I will say this as a responsible gun owner

1545
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.159
<v Speaker 1>that if I'm carrying I have a lock box, make

1546
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 1>sure I have a lock box for that weapon. Knowing

1547
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.880
<v Speaker 1>people are breaking into cars and stealing those, well, now,

1548
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 1>could they cut the cable or what it possibly, But

1549
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.520
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna it's going to dissuade something. I'm doing the

1550
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 1>best I can, right And I think maybe you know

1551
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.520
<v Speaker 1>our gun laws too. At times I look at it going, well,

1552
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of most areas you can't carry a gun,

1553
01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:18.159
<v Speaker 1>and so you have no choice. You hear these stories

1554
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.760
<v Speaker 1>about shootings and drive buys and all this nonsense Downtown

1555
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:23.560
<v Speaker 1>is noise Downtown and OTR and Patrick Herringer, and it

1556
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.079
<v Speaker 1>makes more people want to carry It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

1557
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 1>If I'm coming downtown because I want to spend my

1558
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 1>money enjoy my city, which I love so much, I

1559
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.199
<v Speaker 1>feel maybe I have to protect myself because of these

1560
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:36.520
<v Speaker 1>stories that I hear. But then I can't take it anywhere,

1561
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and I've got to leave it in the car, which

1562
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.640
<v Speaker 1>is It's like it's it's cyclical, is what it is.

1563
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:41.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's unfortunate.

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01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again you know, if you, if any responsible

1565
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 3>guner wants to carry their firearms, that is their right,

1566
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 3>especially in Ohio, but you can't take it into like

1567
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.920
<v Speaker 3>a Bengals game or Reds game. And that's what we're

1568
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.319
<v Speaker 3>thinking of those major events. That's where I really am

1569
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:59.119
<v Speaker 3>trying to work with Susini Sweet as well as the

1570
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.840
<v Speaker 3>groups that can offer rate our garages to make sure

1571
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:05.439
<v Speaker 3>we're emphasizing that Walck box piece. So I'm going to

1572
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:08.880
<v Speaker 3>be actually meeting with the CPD later today and we're

1573
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.800
<v Speaker 3>going to be talking about a new parking lot of

1574
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:12.960
<v Speaker 3>assessments where we're going to be looking at the security

1575
01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:16.520
<v Speaker 3>around some of these parking lots and emphasizing, hey, you

1576
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:19.000
<v Speaker 3>got to lock up your things. Not only is a

1577
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:23.439
<v Speaker 3>safety piece, right, having easy access to guns and the streets,

1578
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:25.800
<v Speaker 3>you make our streets more dangerou especially if their hands

1579
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.359
<v Speaker 3>to kids. Also, like someone wants to come and have

1580
01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:31.399
<v Speaker 3>their window broken in on their car and their firearm,

1581
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 3>which costs lots of money stolen, right, So we really

1582
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.279
<v Speaker 3>want to do what we can here, and so I'm

1583
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.680
<v Speaker 3>leaving a whole action peed dedicated to securifyarm storage to

1584
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:41.600
<v Speaker 3>really get this message out as bes we can.

1585
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Two years ago, the big concern was community guns, and

1586
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that is a gun left in a neighborhood, everyone knows

1587
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:48.840
<v Speaker 1>where it is. Kids are getting the gun, committing crimes

1588
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:51.159
<v Speaker 1>or accidentally shooting each other, whatever might be, because you

1589
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:53.520
<v Speaker 1>know the gun is and multiple people use that gun,

1590
01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:56.479
<v Speaker 1>multiple hands on that gun. And now it's about stolen

1591
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.359
<v Speaker 1>guns and more guns on the street that way. It

1592
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 1>seems like they just keep finding a better way, I guess,

1593
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.279
<v Speaker 1>to get guns they shouldn't have in the first place.

1594
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.159
<v Speaker 1>To me, the lock boxing comes back. It sounds like

1595
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:12.039
<v Speaker 1>legislation is forthcoming on this and saying listen, if you

1596
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:13.840
<v Speaker 1>carry a gun and leave in your cards and it's

1597
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.560
<v Speaker 1>not locked up. There's a penalty for that. Am I

1598
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:18.560
<v Speaker 1>wrong rereading the tea leaves there?

1599
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh Man Scott? I wish that were true, but unfortunately

1600
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:25.119
<v Speaker 3>our state has passed what it's called a pre empsine

1601
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 3>law that prevents local municipalities from passing any type of

1602
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 3>gun laws. In fact, in twenty twenty three, we tried

1603
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.960
<v Speaker 3>to require secure firm storage specifically when kids are around,

1604
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.800
<v Speaker 3>and unfortunately lost that case. The state stud us and

1605
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.039
<v Speaker 3>we lost that case in court last year. And I

1606
01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 3>think this is a broader point, which is the state

1607
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:48.960
<v Speaker 3>of Ohio has passed, you know, dangerous gun laws repeatedly

1608
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:52.079
<v Speaker 3>in loosen gun regulations, which has really led to a

1609
01:16:52.119 --> 01:16:54.880
<v Speaker 3>proliferation and guns on our streets because right now in Ohio,

1610
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 3>you can buy a gun, no background, teck, no permit,

1611
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 3>no training, no nothing, and go out and carry it

1612
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 3>to field weapons in our neighborhoods. And that just makes

1613
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:06.039
<v Speaker 3>it more dangerous when we've got like kind of the

1614
01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Wild West of guns.

1615
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the mistake, of course is there's it

1616
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 1>seems like every area I can't carry my weapon in,

1617
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.159
<v Speaker 1>so why bring it in the first place? But he

1618
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.399
<v Speaker 1>do it's in the car. I think there's also got

1619
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to be responsibility on the part of the gun owner

1620
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to lock their stuff up. If you can afford the

1621
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:23.760
<v Speaker 1>bullets in the eight nine, you know, seven eight hundred

1622
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:26.239
<v Speaker 1>dollars gun, you can afford a lock box or that thing.

1623
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 1>But again, it's the burden being on the good guys

1624
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:31.439
<v Speaker 1>opposed to the bad guy, because let's face it, there

1625
01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:34.000
<v Speaker 1>are people out there that will run with impunity. I

1626
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.039
<v Speaker 1>think there's also a cultural element here, Anna, I'll be

1627
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll go back to the Ryan the Ryan Hinton shooting,

1628
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we always talk about culture, culture, culture,

1629
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:45.720
<v Speaker 1>but this one to me to see people that say

1630
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>that Ryan Hint was done dirty because he was shot

1631
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and he wasn't pointing that gun at cops, I mean,

1632
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand how members of a community can

1633
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.239
<v Speaker 1>think that it's that somehow he was wronged by being

1634
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 1>shot near those dumpsters. That if you run with a

1635
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:02.439
<v Speaker 1>gun in your hand and you're in the police, you're

1636
01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:04.399
<v Speaker 1>going to get shot. That's what's going to happen. Now,

1637
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you may live, Ryan hidden did not, but his three

1638
01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 1>buddies live to get caught by police and spend time

1639
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in jail. They're not dead, They're alive because they didn't

1640
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>pick up the other gun that was in the car.

1641
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand. These aren't kids. These are adults

1642
01:18:17.239 --> 01:18:19.560
<v Speaker 1>that are interpreting this. And then kids would listen go yeah,

1643
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.479
<v Speaker 1>they're right. In what world is it that it's okay

1644
01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:25.960
<v Speaker 1>for someone who is being pursued by police to hold

1645
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.239
<v Speaker 1>a gun in his hand and run anywhere near them.

1646
01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:31.039
<v Speaker 1>That's insane to me that that people still make excuses

1647
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.800
<v Speaker 1>for his behavior. That's also part of the problem.

1648
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, the whole Ryan's hinting situations absolutely tragic

1649
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.760
<v Speaker 3>from beginning to end. And but for me, you know,

1650
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 3>if you think about bigger picture, I don't know Ryan's

1651
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:46.680
<v Speaker 3>full life story, but as I think about use in

1652
01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:49.840
<v Speaker 3>our city, it's how can we support them with that

1653
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:51.000
<v Speaker 3>safe neighborhood?

1654
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:51.159
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1655
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.159
<v Speaker 3>You heard me talk about safe places, safe spaces, and

1656
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:57.039
<v Speaker 3>that's why you mentioned earlier the idea. A couple of

1657
01:18:57.079 --> 01:19:00.920
<v Speaker 3>years ago, we saw big spike in gun violence, both

1658
01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 3>with kids being shot and being the shooters. So the

1659
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:07.159
<v Speaker 3>city has really poured a lot of time, effort, resources

1660
01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:11.520
<v Speaker 3>into tackling youth gun violence and use violence, whether that's

1661
01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:13.920
<v Speaker 3>from being able to fund our community partners who are

1662
01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:17.840
<v Speaker 3>providing those safe places to programs like we've got the

1663
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<v Speaker 3>teen Skate Night down it toward your point right now

1664
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:24.159
<v Speaker 3>every Friday night and Recot Night, our award winning record

1665
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.560
<v Speaker 3>night every Saturday night in Avondale and the West End,

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01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:30.239
<v Speaker 3>where we're giving kids from five o'clock to I think

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01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:32.760
<v Speaker 3>eleven a safe place to be where they can come

1668
01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:34.960
<v Speaker 3>get their haircut, they can come get their nails done,

1669
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:39.119
<v Speaker 3>there's food, fun activities, and again, how can we get

1670
01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:42.680
<v Speaker 3>kids into that space? How can we give kids a

1671
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:46.399
<v Speaker 3>pathway into goods, paying stable jobs, especially once who are

1672
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.800
<v Speaker 3>looking to provide for their families. And that's the bigger

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01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.399
<v Speaker 3>environmental piece of how do we create safe communities where

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01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:55.439
<v Speaker 3>people are being paid enough to afford a roof over

1675
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:57.399
<v Speaker 3>their head, fresh food on the table, and access to

1676
01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:00.319
<v Speaker 3>healthcare because fundamentally, that's what it means to have united

1677
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.720
<v Speaker 3>safety to me, right, we can add in the law

1678
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.640
<v Speaker 3>enforcement keep part of it as well, but those basic

1679
01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.640
<v Speaker 3>needs are just so foremost important to all of that.

1680
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a council member and I'll be on Scott's

1682
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:14.239
<v Speaker 1>own show seven hundred WWD talking about the crime planet

1683
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>came out in this on the heels of the last

1684
01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.520
<v Speaker 1>two Sunday nights, we've had shootings in high profile places.

1685
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Last night it was right in front of the Bay

1686
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Horse Cafe. The windows are shattered. At least one window

1687
01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:25.039
<v Speaker 1>shattered there in a shooting just after eleven o'clock as

1688
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:27.479
<v Speaker 1>the city and this had be a council member alb

1689
01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Scottie Johnson, but also the police chief and the mayor

1690
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:34.279
<v Speaker 1>having a press conference with a new plan that come

1691
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:36.680
<v Speaker 1>up with a roving task force and a drawn program

1692
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and business partnerships and parking, a lot of security, youth

1693
01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:43.239
<v Speaker 1>crime focus, one hundred and fifty plus officers approved for

1694
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.279
<v Speaker 1>next year's budget, all steps in the right direction as

1695
01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:48.800
<v Speaker 1>we talk about solving this problem in the short term too,

1696
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.199
<v Speaker 1>at least trying to tamp this thing down because the

1697
01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:53.359
<v Speaker 1>perception is there's a lot of areas of Cincinnati that

1698
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>are unsafe. That may be true at times. For sure,

1699
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.159
<v Speaker 1>OTR crime is through the roof year over year, and

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01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it's up to police to make sure they crack down

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01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:03.840
<v Speaker 1>in those areas. You know, one other thing I wanted

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01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.039
<v Speaker 1>to bring up too, Anaholbe, is the ankle monitor thing.

1703
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:08.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, the youth crime focus is there. We're going

1704
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to get into prontal accountabilit which you're can talk to

1705
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:13.600
<v Speaker 1>in a second. More and I love more youth services.

1706
01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>If you can people can play, well, why do we

1707
01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>keep having these programs? Well, if you can get some

1708
01:21:17.560 --> 01:21:19.760
<v Speaker 1>of these young people diverted and off the street into

1709
01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.920
<v Speaker 1>something that's engaging, that's less chance for them to commit

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01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a crime. I understand that. I appreciate that the cutting

1711
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>off there, and you mentioned jobs too, I think it's

1712
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a big component. I'm a huge advocate for the construction

1713
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:33.319
<v Speaker 1>industry and would love to hire as many folks like

1714
01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that as possible. And you want to talk about life

1715
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.279
<v Speaker 1>changing jobs, but and they're out there, it's just you

1716
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:39.840
<v Speaker 1>have to seize that opportunity. I think there's a huge disconnect.

1717
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:42.800
<v Speaker 1>But relative to the ankle monitors too, one of the

1718
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.359
<v Speaker 1>things that bothers me is that someone can cut off

1719
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.640
<v Speaker 1>ankle monitors and still be on the loose. And we've

1720
01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 1>seen that recently, but even going back to twenty twenty

1721
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 1>four with the youth violence, we had a number offenders

1722
01:21:52.359 --> 01:21:55.279
<v Speaker 1>that simply cut their ankle bracelet off and there's there's

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01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.199
<v Speaker 1>no repercussion for that. That's got to stop.

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01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, man, I mean, my heart breaks for for for

1725
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Para Harring and her family, and I think you know,

1726
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.840
<v Speaker 3>my heart's absolutely breaks. But part of what's come out

1727
01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:14.159
<v Speaker 3>of this and her advocacy has been identifying a system breakdown.

1728
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.159
<v Speaker 3>And you know, the mayor has been very vocal on

1729
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:20.479
<v Speaker 3>this really tracking down where the disconnect was, and there

1730
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:22.680
<v Speaker 3>are going to be reforms there already are reforms in

1731
01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:25.039
<v Speaker 3>place because you're right, that was that was a gap.

1732
01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:27.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, we need to be alerted at the local

1733
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.319
<v Speaker 3>level if something like that happens, so we can activate

1734
01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:34.079
<v Speaker 3>and really make sure we track down that that individual.

1735
01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:38.359
<v Speaker 3>So that that is one big step forward that we're taking,

1736
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:40.279
<v Speaker 3>and it starts with the state level and the full

1737
01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:43.039
<v Speaker 3>board and all of that, but that really support us

1738
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.319
<v Speaker 3>here locally as we try to keep folks safe, because

1739
01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:49.399
<v Speaker 3>it should should not take a death or a tragedy

1740
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:52.600
<v Speaker 3>like that to shine a light on this this gap.

1741
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I get that there's program to support and

1742
01:22:56.760 --> 01:22:59.359
<v Speaker 1>also to steer youth in the right direction. But back

1743
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:02.239
<v Speaker 1>to Sarah hand She, I'm sure you saw the feed

1744
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.119
<v Speaker 1>here on our Facebook feed mention what you're talking about

1745
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>here and the press conference who renounced all this and

1746
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:10.319
<v Speaker 1>said they didn't present new solutions, they didn't take accountability.

1747
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:12.880
<v Speaker 1>They threw out program names like shot spot and the

1748
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Pivot program, but there's zero public data proving these initiatives

1749
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.039
<v Speaker 1>are effective. They keep funding them anyway because it looks

1750
01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:21.199
<v Speaker 1>like action. It's not strategy, it's optics. What do you

1751
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>say to people like Sarah and others who feel like

1752
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and even those members of the Cinnati Police Department. Quite honestly,

1753
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I talked to off the record and they're like, we're frustrated.

1754
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:31.199
<v Speaker 1>This place is a mess right now. It's all about

1755
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.680
<v Speaker 1>these you know, feel good policies and no one wants

1756
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.239
<v Speaker 1>to take action. Actually, sadly, we're gonna have to crack

1757
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:38.079
<v Speaker 1>some heads, get more cops on the streets and go

1758
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.159
<v Speaker 1>after really bad offenders and throw the book at them

1759
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and make sure it sticks.

1760
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think again, there's not one magic wand solution.

1761
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.720
<v Speaker 3>If there were, we would be doing in cinematics. So

1762
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:50.760
<v Speaker 3>with every place in the United States, right, that's just

1763
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:53.199
<v Speaker 3>the matters. But we got to do all of the

1764
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.520
<v Speaker 3>things right, So when it comes to more officers on

1765
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:59.319
<v Speaker 3>the street, yeah, we're working on it, right. It is

1766
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:03.199
<v Speaker 3>a shame that council City councils before my time, Uh,

1767
01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:05.840
<v Speaker 3>you have didn't invest in police recruit classes, and now

1768
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.279
<v Speaker 3>we are trying to make up that gap you mentioned earlier.

1769
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.960
<v Speaker 3>We've got you know, two classes of a fifty new

1770
01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.439
<v Speaker 3>recruits plus a new lateral class that we've approuved for

1771
01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:17.880
<v Speaker 3>next year, and that's to get more officers onto the streets.

1772
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Supporting people in the lateral class just for background through

1773
01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:25.279
<v Speaker 3>your listeners, right, that's pulling officers from nearby municipalities, putting

1774
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:29.159
<v Speaker 3>them through a kind of shortened training that's Cincinnati specific,

1775
01:24:29.239 --> 01:24:31.640
<v Speaker 3>so they understand what we do at CPD, but getting

1776
01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:34.720
<v Speaker 3>them on the streets faster with experience. Right, these are

1777
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:37.920
<v Speaker 3>officers coming in with years under their belt. So do

1778
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:41.840
<v Speaker 3>that piece as well as the you know, following the data.

1779
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:45.000
<v Speaker 3>And uh, you know, the thing about shots Spotter which

1780
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned earlier is like we're able to use the

1781
01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.920
<v Speaker 3>evidence too with shotspotters that sees into our Crime Gun

1782
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Intelligence Center, the DIGI, which is a partnership with local

1783
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:57.800
<v Speaker 3>law enforcement agencies here, but as well as the ATS

1784
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.399
<v Speaker 3>right the FED where we actually are you know, tracking

1785
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:06.199
<v Speaker 3>the ballistics off of you know, the shelves to be

1786
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.840
<v Speaker 3>able to see exactly Hey, was the same gun used

1787
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.199
<v Speaker 3>in this shooting over here, that was using this shooting

1788
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:15.800
<v Speaker 3>over here over here to do really directed investigations to

1789
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.880
<v Speaker 3>track down active shooters. And we know that in the

1790
01:25:20.920 --> 01:25:25.039
<v Speaker 3>city of Cincinnati, the majority of the geographic area states Right.

1791
01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.399
<v Speaker 3>In March March, I think it was when CPD came

1792
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.640
<v Speaker 3>to council, which presents, you know, kind of the crime stats,

1793
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:34.720
<v Speaker 3>to debate one of the one of the maps they

1794
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:38.560
<v Speaker 3>shared showed that it's only a high percent of the

1795
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:43.439
<v Speaker 3>city's geographic area that contains these increased rates of violent

1796
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:44.840
<v Speaker 3>crime and shooting victims.

1797
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:45.119
<v Speaker 4>Right.

1798
01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:47.159
<v Speaker 3>So that's why you hear us talk so much about

1799
01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:51.720
<v Speaker 3>the place based problem solving is right, because we want

1800
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:53.680
<v Speaker 3>to go to those hot spots. And that's exactly what

1801
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>pivot is. You go to the hot spot and you

1802
01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:59.399
<v Speaker 3>try to figure out, Okay, what's happening in this spot

1803
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:02.199
<v Speaker 3>which is making it a place where crime is happening.

1804
01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 3>And some of it could be you know, some economics,

1805
01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:08.840
<v Speaker 3>environmental factors, and some things are like okay, we need

1806
01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:11.319
<v Speaker 3>to get like lights on the street, we need to

1807
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:14.199
<v Speaker 3>increase patrols, we need to have cameras. Right, it's the

1808
01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:18.079
<v Speaker 3>crime prevention through environmental design, and I.

1809
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Think the I think the drone program is good. I

1810
01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:22.880
<v Speaker 1>mean that's using that's leveraging technology to help stop, prevent

1811
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:26.439
<v Speaker 1>or solve crimes. For sure, she is council Member Anna Alby,

1812
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and I enjoyed the conversation, the discussion. Hope to have

1813
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:30.439
<v Speaker 1>you back sometime soon.

1814
01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, thanks so much for having me.

1815
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Take care b well, thank you so much, council Member Alby.

1816
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:37.439
<v Speaker 1>It's a Scott Sloan show. News is coming up in

1817
01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:39.600
<v Speaker 1>just seconds here in the very latest, and then we'll

1818
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>get to a Jeff Carr lockdown. Reds. We look at

1819
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the weekend series. They sat not only salvage, they came

1820
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>storming back after the nearly no hitter on Friday and

1821
01:26:47.359 --> 01:26:50.760
<v Speaker 1>then yesterday's comebacker to win in the ninth inning and

1822
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>walk off fashion. How good are the Reds now heading

1823
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:55.039
<v Speaker 1>into Boston. We'll talk about all that more just ahead

1824
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WW. I'stracting with Scott Floone on seven

1825
01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>hundred w l WW Monday morning, a little Reds recap,

1826
01:27:01.840 --> 01:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>but look weak aheader and it's a big one too

1827
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.199
<v Speaker 1>for the Reds because, as you know, they're little in

1828
01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the teeth of this thing. You got at Fenway starting

1829
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:10.640
<v Speaker 1>tonight here on the Home of the Red seven hundred

1830
01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>ww get one off day. Then it's Philly at Citizens

1831
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Bank Park. These are some tough outs coming up for

1832
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:18.319
<v Speaker 1>this ball club. It's a critical stretch right now. The

1833
01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Reds though one another series come back bottom of the

1834
01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>ninth they walk it off three two now five game backs.

1835
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Are the Cubbies two and a half back in the

1836
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>wild card, I believe, and that means they have one

1837
01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>if I'm not wrong on this one. Jeffrey Carr of

1838
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Lockdown Reds, the only daily Reds podcast, That would be

1839
01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:36.039
<v Speaker 1>six of their last seven series the Reds have won.

1840
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:37.079
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty high, Cotton.

1841
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they have been playing super well and it's been

1842
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:43.680
<v Speaker 4>that late game comeback that they've seemingly added to their

1843
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:48.279
<v Speaker 4>arsenal that they didn't have before. Yeah. Yeah, Sure, they're

1844
01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:51.319
<v Speaker 4>doing some really good things on the lineup side of things, Tony,

1845
01:27:51.359 --> 01:27:54.439
<v Speaker 4>and they're really coming together at an important time. I mean,

1846
01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.279
<v Speaker 4>like you said, the teeth of the schedule, they can

1847
01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:00.279
<v Speaker 4>just remain what they're at and then they take a

1848
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.680
<v Speaker 4>run against the Rockies and the Marlins before the All

1849
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.520
<v Speaker 4>Star break. They're going to be cooking with gad.

1850
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's see what happens there real quick before again yesterday's

1851
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>three two walk off when the Reds finding out in

1852
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the world finding out Dave Parker passing away at the

1853
01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:15.039
<v Speaker 1>age of seventy four, just missing his induction to the

1854
01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame. He said he's had the speech written

1855
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>for a while. I would have loved to hear that,

1856
01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.399
<v Speaker 1>but sadly that passed away with him. The Cobra was

1857
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>absolutely fantastic. I remember seeing him at Riverfront and then

1858
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.079
<v Speaker 1>when I lived for I think a year and a

1859
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>half in Milwaukee, he was with the Brewers near the

1860
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:33.079
<v Speaker 1>end of his career and I saw him trying to

1861
01:28:33.159 --> 01:28:35.199
<v Speaker 1>leg out a double. He was safe, but the cloud

1862
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:37.479
<v Speaker 1>of dust created when that man slid into second is

1863
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:41.439
<v Speaker 1>probably still hovering somewhere over Milwaukee County, if not. Kenosha.

1864
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:47.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, I love looking back on some old highlights

1865
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:49.479
<v Speaker 4>like that of Dave Parker, because that's the guy that

1866
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:53.520
<v Speaker 4>I think. He's just another case that baseball just isn't

1867
01:28:53.600 --> 01:28:56.199
<v Speaker 4>that great at celebrating its history at the right time.

1868
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.399
<v Speaker 4>He absolutely deserved his day that he would have hearing

1869
01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:03.239
<v Speaker 4>about a month, but they waited far too long to

1870
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:04.039
<v Speaker 4>put him into the hall.

1871
01:29:04.119 --> 01:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kremlin, it really is. If anything, the fact

1872
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:10.239
<v Speaker 1>that he would take his warm ups with a sledgehammer,

1873
01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>that's something you just don't see anymore.

1874
01:29:14.319 --> 01:29:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Sledge that that's like different, Like you know, you always

1875
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:20.079
<v Speaker 4>talk about it. Man, a guy can do the ball

1876
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:22.880
<v Speaker 4>a country mile least country strong, Dave Parker was something

1877
01:29:22.920 --> 01:29:23.560
<v Speaker 4>even passed that.

1878
01:29:24.039 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 6>Well.

1879
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:26.640
<v Speaker 1>The fielding too, and you've all seen and I remember

1880
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>watching it as a little kid in seventy to seventy

1881
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>nine All Star Game. Ball hit down was a rice hit.

1882
01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:35.399
<v Speaker 1>The ball on the right field line kind of bounces

1883
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:39.079
<v Speaker 1>between was Joe Morgan I think was out, and the

1884
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>ball bounced up and Dave ran backwards, caught it, fired

1885
01:29:42.720 --> 01:29:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the ball through him out of third base. One of

1886
01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the best All Star plays, probably right up there with

1887
01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose and Ray Fosse.

1888
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:52.119
<v Speaker 4>He is. The things that he did in his career

1889
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:56.000
<v Speaker 4>are just, I mean absolutely worthy of Cooperstown. I think

1890
01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:57.960
<v Speaker 4>it's crazy that it's taken this long to get.

1891
01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Him, and that arm was unbelievable. All right, So yesterday

1892
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the Reds, by the way, going into this see I

1893
01:30:04.159 --> 01:30:07.239
<v Speaker 1>watched the podcast oh for thirty four going to yesterday

1894
01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>when trailing after eight, Will Benson changed at yesterday walk

1895
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>off bottom of the ninth the down two two to one,

1896
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>they somehow come up with two runs in the eighth.

1897
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Ellie gets on steer his an RBI and all of

1898
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a sudden it's tied. And then Will Benson doubles the lead.

1899
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing, Will Benson in the previous ab

1900
01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>he doubled the lead off, nobody could drive him. And

1901
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to his game driving back from visiting my

1902
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>wife's parents yesterday, and I'm like pounding the steering wheel, going,

1903
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>how the hell can you lead off with the double

1904
01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and not drive the guy in.

1905
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:39.000
<v Speaker 4>I was right there with you. I mean, as much

1906
01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:42.760
<v Speaker 4>as he tried, he seemingly just had no help there

1907
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:44.640
<v Speaker 4>in the eighth inning. But it was great that he

1908
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:46.960
<v Speaker 4>came up with runners on in the ninth inning so

1909
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:50.199
<v Speaker 4>that he could He just looked really good at the

1910
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:52.840
<v Speaker 4>plate yesterday. He was seeing his pitch as well. But

1911
01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:56.199
<v Speaker 4>that whole ninth inning was just full of really good

1912
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.880
<v Speaker 4>at bats. Whether you look at Will Benson's single that

1913
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:03.239
<v Speaker 4>walked off the game, or you see Gavin Lux's walk

1914
01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 4>where he saw the before him and Austin Hayes that

1915
01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Austin Hayes never saw a strike, and Hayes was going

1916
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:12.680
<v Speaker 4>up there. He was aggressive. He wanted to bring Ellie

1917
01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:15.880
<v Speaker 4>home and tie the game. And Robert Suarez, the closer

1918
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.600
<v Speaker 4>for the Padres, knew that, so he didn't give him

1919
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:21.159
<v Speaker 4>anything to swing at, and yet Hayes still ended up

1920
01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:25.119
<v Speaker 4>getting himself out. So then Gavin Lux was daring him

1921
01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:27.680
<v Speaker 4>to throw a strike. He didn't. He gets on first

1922
01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:30.479
<v Speaker 4>and Ellie does a cruiz though to lead off that.

1923
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:34.119
<v Speaker 4>In my goodness, he has had some amazing at bats

1924
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.079
<v Speaker 4>here recently that have shown me. And we've talked a

1925
01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:39.840
<v Speaker 4>lot about Ellie this year, obviously with good reason. He's

1926
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:42.800
<v Speaker 4>the best player on this team, but his renaissance this

1927
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:45.039
<v Speaker 4>year and really what's gotten him to the point that

1928
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.680
<v Speaker 4>he's at has been his plate discipline and his growth

1929
01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:52.399
<v Speaker 4>in pitch recognition. And he was on full display yesterday

1930
01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:52.640
<v Speaker 4>with that.

1931
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looked really really good and just watching and

1932
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I think the other element here too, I was talking about,

1933
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, all the a and being able to get

1934
01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.079
<v Speaker 1>this thing done in the end, and Will Benson's double

1935
01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:06.479
<v Speaker 1>is that the guy's mc kind of quiet and just

1936
01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>having a hell of a couple of weeks has been

1937
01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Spencer Steer.

1938
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:14.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's been coming up with clutch hits. Every time

1939
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:17.359
<v Speaker 4>you need him to get a single, he's been dropping

1940
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:19.279
<v Speaker 4>that in and then of course on Friday he's like,

1941
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm done hitting singles. Let's hit a couple of homers

1942
01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:25.279
<v Speaker 4>and his three home runs in one game and had

1943
01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:27.760
<v Speaker 4>a chance at a fourth. He just ended up striking

1944
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.840
<v Speaker 4>out in that fourth at that But I've been very

1945
01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:34.039
<v Speaker 4>impressed with his turnaround. That's been the biggest key for

1946
01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:36.880
<v Speaker 4>how this Red's lineup has really looked a lot better

1947
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.680
<v Speaker 4>is that Matt McClain is looking more like himself. He's

1948
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:41.680
<v Speaker 4>still not all the way back yet, but he's looking

1949
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:46.560
<v Speaker 4>a lot more like himself. And Spencer Steer has regained

1950
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:50.800
<v Speaker 4>his composure as that steadying force in the five or

1951
01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:51.880
<v Speaker 4>six spot in the lineup.

1952
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:54.399
<v Speaker 1>What McClay do this series, I didn't see it because

1953
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>for a while, I mean, he got hot and then

1954
01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>he cooled off again, and it talk about up and

1955
01:32:57.680 --> 01:32:58.319
<v Speaker 1>down with this guy.

1956
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was pretty why in this one not the

1957
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:04.880
<v Speaker 4>best of the series, but it's still looking like you

1958
01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.800
<v Speaker 4>sitting the ball really well. I'm not worried that he's

1959
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:09.800
<v Speaker 4>going to fall back to where he was. He just

1960
01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:12.840
<v Speaker 4>hadn't quite continue that tourd base against all Right.

1961
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Well you hope, so you hope that's the case. Anyway,

1962
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:18.279
<v Speaker 1>He's Jeff Carvery Monday morning. We chop up the series

1963
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the past. But look, I've had done and you've got

1964
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>big ones coming up here in just a second. But

1965
01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Red's win another series at six of their last seven.

1966
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:26.359
<v Speaker 1>If you're County and they're just man, they're hanging on.

1967
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:28.239
<v Speaker 1>We're waiting for teams ahead of them to stubble in

1968
01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the Chicago lost yesterday as well, so they're they're kind

1969
01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of hanging in there too. And it's it's pretty condensed

1970
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:35.239
<v Speaker 1>in the NL Central I and they still got a

1971
01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>shot here. For those saying, hey, you're two and a

1972
01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>half wild card games back, I don't know, You've got

1973
01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:41.119
<v Speaker 1>a whole second half of baseball to play here. And

1974
01:33:41.119 --> 01:33:43.279
<v Speaker 1>it's not like they're the pirates at this point, right,

1975
01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:44.439
<v Speaker 1>you're only five out.

1976
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:48.279
<v Speaker 4>Right in the Central itself. I mean even the Brewers

1977
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.239
<v Speaker 4>lost yesterday and a walk off to the Rockies and

1978
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>extra endies by the way, game winning hit by Kyle

1979
01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:58.199
<v Speaker 4>Farmer in that one by Red. You know he's still

1980
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:01.119
<v Speaker 4>helping out Cincinnati, and though he's not on the Reds,

1981
01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:03.680
<v Speaker 4>but also, I mean you mentioned the Pirates that he

1982
01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:06.000
<v Speaker 4>actually did the Reds a big favor this weekend too

1983
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:08.600
<v Speaker 4>by beating up on the Mets. There's definitely a few

1984
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:12.119
<v Speaker 4>teams in the wildcard race that you know, we're sort

1985
01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:14.760
<v Speaker 4>of looking ahead and there's plenty of time left to

1986
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:17.640
<v Speaker 4>build a wildcard resume. But the Reds are only a

1987
01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:20.039
<v Speaker 4>game and a half out of a wildcard spot because

1988
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:22.399
<v Speaker 4>of the work they did against the Padres. And oh,

1989
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.319
<v Speaker 4>by the way, the Pirates are helping him out by

1990
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:25.439
<v Speaker 4>beating up on the Mets.

1991
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we've been remiss too.

1992
01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:27.640
<v Speaker 4>Now.

1993
01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Saturday's loss, I think Andrew Rabbits deserved better because he

1994
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:32.840
<v Speaker 1>pitched a pretty good game to a chance to win

1995
01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Saturday in the nine Spencer Steer at the play two

1996
01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:38.079
<v Speaker 1>runners on and you know, as you said, he struck out.

1997
01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:40.439
<v Speaker 1>They lose at six to four. But on Friday Night,

1998
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.439
<v Speaker 1>that was something special to see Martinez with a no

1999
01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:44.399
<v Speaker 1>hitter through eight and that's a guy that really needed

2000
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to have a good game.

2001
01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's crazy to think the workload that he's been

2002
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:53.000
<v Speaker 4>doing this past really it was just eight days pitched

2003
01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:56.920
<v Speaker 4>four times and eight days. On June nineteenth, he barely

2004
01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:58.199
<v Speaker 4>got you know, I mean, he didn't get out of

2005
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.279
<v Speaker 4>the thirty and he was pitching horrible. He was getting

2006
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:04.199
<v Speaker 4>absolutely clobbered, and so Terry Francona and then came up

2007
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:05.680
<v Speaker 4>with a plan where he was going to pitch out

2008
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:08.159
<v Speaker 4>of the bullpen for a couple of days to maybe

2009
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:11.640
<v Speaker 4>like that something in his mind. And kudos to them,

2010
01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:14.920
<v Speaker 4>it worked because then he gets his longest start of

2011
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:17.600
<v Speaker 4>his career, throws the most pitches he's ever thrown in

2012
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:21.399
<v Speaker 4>one start on Friday night there, and that was something

2013
01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:23.239
<v Speaker 4>to see because he is the kind of guy like

2014
01:35:23.319 --> 01:35:25.600
<v Speaker 4>if he is going to go and if he's going

2015
01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:27.760
<v Speaker 4>to be a good starting pitcher for the rest of

2016
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.960
<v Speaker 4>this year, then that is really where you're excited about

2017
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:33.239
<v Speaker 4>this rotation, because we know that the top end is

2018
01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:36.880
<v Speaker 4>amazing once Hunter Green returns, and Andrew Abbott has joined

2019
01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:40.239
<v Speaker 4>on the top end conversation of this rotation, and even

2020
01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:42.760
<v Speaker 4>Niiclodola is starting to look a lot better here recently.

2021
01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:46.319
<v Speaker 4>But if you can keep Nick Martinez at a reasonably

2022
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:50.279
<v Speaker 4>high level of performance, then this rotation one through five

2023
01:35:50.359 --> 01:35:52.239
<v Speaker 4>is going to be a problem for any team. They face.

2024
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no question about it. So Red's get it done

2025
01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:58.800
<v Speaker 1>against San Diego. Now they're off today obviously, or tonight rather,

2026
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and then they're off on the Thursday. I got to

2027
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:03.359
<v Speaker 1>point out too, and I asked this of Austin Olmore

2028
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>on Friday. I'll ask you this. Jeff Carr locked on

2029
01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Reds about the Candelario deal getting dfa'ed yesterday, not a

2030
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>shock because he had been abysmal here, who's a bismal

2031
01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was sent down no reason to keep him

2032
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:16.119
<v Speaker 1>and finally even Bobcastling himself signed off on this.

2033
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:19.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think that it's interesting here that the Reds

2034
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:22.880
<v Speaker 4>are going completely on merit, and I think that that

2035
01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:26.119
<v Speaker 4>is pointing back to Tito Francona, because he said at

2036
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:28.720
<v Speaker 4>the beginning of the year, you earn your spot, nothing

2037
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:33.359
<v Speaker 4>is given, and quite frankly, the Reds of old would say, well,

2038
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:36.960
<v Speaker 4>we've given Jamier Candelario a big contract, so he has

2039
01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:39.720
<v Speaker 4>earned the right to be on this team. And I

2040
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.039
<v Speaker 4>love that that has changed, because the Reds had to

2041
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:46.640
<v Speaker 4>sign over quite a chunk of change to watch him

2042
01:36:46.680 --> 01:36:48.840
<v Speaker 4>walk away, and he's going to obviously get picked up

2043
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:51.680
<v Speaker 4>on a veteran minimum by somebody else, but nobody was

2044
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:53.560
<v Speaker 4>going to pick up that contract and take that off

2045
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:55.680
<v Speaker 4>the Red's hands. And now the Reds are on the

2046
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:58.319
<v Speaker 4>hook for that deal. But it looks like the Reds

2047
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:02.680
<v Speaker 4>are serious about being a confident ball club on the field,

2048
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:06.119
<v Speaker 4>not worried about money, not worried about you know, if

2049
01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.840
<v Speaker 4>you're manipulating service time of a minor league or something

2050
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:12.600
<v Speaker 4>like that, and you're not going to just tread this

2051
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.399
<v Speaker 4>guy out there that Quite frankly, we have always like

2052
01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:19.560
<v Speaker 4>squinted really hard to try and see any evidence of

2053
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:23.079
<v Speaker 4>a bounce back. Even since he began here in Cincinnati.

2054
01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:27.800
<v Speaker 4>It's just not been a good tour of duty for Jamercambellario,

2055
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:28.840
<v Speaker 4>great American ballparker.

2056
01:37:28.880 --> 01:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, the message is, listen, we may be paying you,

2057
01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's a new air. We're not going to keep

2058
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you because you know we're paying you a lot of money.

2059
01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>We're locked up. The old Reds would have done that,

2060
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I think under Tito, and you're right about that. We're

2061
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>starting to see that change, and you wonder too, and

2062
01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>it grants some very small sample size and this is

2063
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:45.479
<v Speaker 1>kind of clickbaity, but look at Nick Martinez twenty one

2064
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>million dollars last few games, hasn't played, but he's will

2065
01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>to do anything to win, and he comes out and

2066
01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>pitches nearly a no hitter on Friday night. Matt McClain

2067
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>struggling at the plate mightily, but I mean, look what

2068
01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:58.760
<v Speaker 1>he provides for you defensively, you wouldn't want anyone else

2069
01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>playing second base rather Matt McLean at this point. So

2070
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I think the message is sent to the other players, like,

2071
01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're paying you, You got to do your job.

2072
01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise we've got to move somebody out. We got to

2073
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>move you out.

2074
01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:10.760
<v Speaker 4>Got to perform, I think, And I think this is

2075
01:38:10.840 --> 01:38:13.840
<v Speaker 4>the part where we were really excited about Terry Francona.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I know that there's been a lot of criticism

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<v Speaker 4>of different choices that he has made, but it's clear

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<v Speaker 4>that through his career as a manager, he has demonstrated

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<v Speaker 4>in ability to just pool the right strings with the

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01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:28.680
<v Speaker 4>right guys at the right time. And the Reds haven't

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<v Speaker 4>had a manager like that in a very long time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that we're beginning to see it now.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why we're seeing this turnaround. That's why people are

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01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:39.560
<v Speaker 4>watching this team and looking a little bit closer and saying,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what. I think there's something here, and the

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01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.840
<v Speaker 4>move of getting rid of Candelario, the move of calling

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01:38:45.920 --> 01:38:49.039
<v Speaker 4>up Chase Burns, and all of this is starting to

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01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:53.119
<v Speaker 4>point to, Okay, the Reds are trying to put their

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01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:57.359
<v Speaker 4>best twenty six guys on the field. Now, let's see

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01:38:57.359 --> 01:38:59.039
<v Speaker 4>what they can do in the draft and what they

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01:38:59.039 --> 01:38:59.760
<v Speaker 4>can do in the trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Devil hell of a week coming up here, Jeff Carr.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight three at Boston, and yeah, I share the Boston

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01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Red Sox are what three something games below five hundred,

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01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>I believe, not not very good, But that's at Fenway

2096
01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and that will get me your head. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>have one off night on Thursday, and then you go

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<v Speaker 1>play the best team in the NL East, and that

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01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>would be the Phillies. This is a really, really tough

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<v Speaker 1>test this week for the Reds. Well, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this week, when we talk next Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll know what we got.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I think. So. I've been very happy with how

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<v Speaker 4>they've played though this gauntlet of the schedule that they've

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<v Speaker 4>already had. We've mentioned a couple of times, six out

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<v Speaker 4>of seven series that's not against the Pirates and the

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<v Speaker 4>Rockies and the Marlans and the Nationals and the worst

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<v Speaker 4>of the worst. It's against the best of the best.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we're talking about some really good opponents here,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that there's something about this team, and

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<v Speaker 4>as frustrating as it is, when they play the dredges

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01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Speaker 4>of the league, they're just as the opposite against the

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01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:00.680
<v Speaker 4>powers of the league, they seem to rise to that occasion.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's definitely going to be something that we're hoping

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<v Speaker 4>to see over these next seven days, because the dredges

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01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.560
<v Speaker 4>of the league come to the come to the Reds

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<v Speaker 4>the following week with the Marlins and the Rockies. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, if you can just continue to play how

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<v Speaker 4>you've been playing, if you can win one of these

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<v Speaker 4>two series against the Red Sox and the Phillies and

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<v Speaker 4>then you can make some hay and finally beat the

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<v Speaker 4>teams that you need to beat next week, you can

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<v Speaker 4>go into the All Star Game. Dare I say over

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01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:33.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, six seven games, over five hundred. That sounds

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01:40:33.640 --> 01:40:35.600
<v Speaker 4>like a pipe dream. Yeah, that's the way that this

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<v Speaker 4>team's played.

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<v Speaker 1>And I at of the Cubs are running away with

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<v Speaker 1>this thing at all. They're stretches where they're just outright abysmal. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't faced them Sayson. And when, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Reds play the Cubs Saint Louis Milwaukee, they underperform.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's I think the next big We know they

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01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>can beat really good teams. We've seen that happen before,

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<v Speaker 1>the Yankees are in town, the Detroit Tigers at the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Guardians, what taple with San Diego. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>get the teams that are floating around five hundred sub

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred for some reason they struggle, I think like

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the next big hurdle they have to overcome.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think that there's a lot of what

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<v Speaker 4>we have seen here recently, Like Sunday was not a

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<v Speaker 4>good game as it were, it's just the Reds got

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<v Speaker 4>that win, and they need more games like that because

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<v Speaker 4>they're not always going to have their best stuff. They're

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<v Speaker 4>not always going to play perfect ball. But over these

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<v Speaker 4>past couple of years, when they haven't played perfect ball,

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01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:33.159
<v Speaker 4>they've lost, and now we're starting to see them get

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01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:37.439
<v Speaker 4>some some ugly wins. That's how you win division ball games,

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's really rare that the Reds play a perfect

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<v Speaker 4>game against their division rivals and that's why they have

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01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.239
<v Speaker 4>struggled so much against the Brewers and the Cardinals and

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<v Speaker 4>the Cubs over the last couple of years. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>we will see this team turn it around, especially you know,

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01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.960
<v Speaker 4>coming up here against this Red Sox scene that, like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, they're hugging around five hundred. So there might

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<v Speaker 4>be an since to look at the schedule and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>well this team, maybe they aren't that great. We can

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<v Speaker 4>relax a little bit. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the progress. You see the progress, right, is

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<v Speaker 1>that bad base ranging? Okay? Kind of fix that seventh, eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>ninth inning. Reds could not get it done. They thought

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<v Speaker 1>they fixed that. Can't come from behind. They're starting to

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01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:20.520
<v Speaker 1>fix that. You kind of see it slowly morphing into

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01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:23.800
<v Speaker 1>something that we expected now for the last couple of years,

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01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and that is competent baseball. We'll find out what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell of a test coming up tonight. We got Boston

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<v Speaker 1>on the road at Fennoy and of course we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a call for you here on the home of the

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<v Speaker 1>Red seven hundred w But he's Jeff Carr locked on Reds.

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<v Speaker 1>He pops in every Monday morning, the only daily Red's

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<v Speaker 1>past cast. Check him out where you get your podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>of course on YouTube as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Jeff all the best, Buddy, Well, I appreciate you. Go

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<v Speaker 4>Red and.

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<v Speaker 1>Willie is on the way. Next to quick news update,

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<v Speaker 1>Quick quick quick news update after reds round up the Cowboy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then as I said, Billy takes over at twelve

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<v Speaker 1>oh six here on the home of those Red seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred ww since the nont