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Speaker 2: The third hour started today five to ten, not quite
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Speaker 2: hours of seemingly no issues with the quality of the
Speaker 2: broadcast considering the connection we're using today. And then I
Speaker 2: don't know, I guess I got I got a little
Speaker 2: too comfortable. I didn't do anything, John didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: But I will take some responsibility though, just because we
Speaker 1: were having obviously those weird issues during the last segment,
Speaker 1: and I thought it would be a smart idea to
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be fair, you know, we were having problems.
Speaker 2: So a simple disconnect reconnect usually it helps it, you know,
Speaker 2: it gets a squared away. But for some reason that
Speaker 2: led to us not being able to get reconnected. So anyways,
Speaker 2: can you I gotta know, because it'll be it'll consume
Speaker 2: me if if I don't at least know. Are we
Speaker 2: back to where we've been the majority of the show
Speaker 2: or are we sounded like we sounded in the last segment.
Speaker 1: No, we sound like the majority of the show. We're
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Speaker 2: Good, good, well, I'm happy, happy to hear that. Even
Speaker 2: and even if you're lying to me, which I don't
Speaker 2: think you are, I'm glad you said what you said,
Speaker 2: because if you told me we sounded awful, I would
Speaker 2: you know, it would just you know, it would, it
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you hanging out with us. Those first couple of
Speaker 2: hours went about really, really quick, which I usually think
Speaker 2: is a good thing. So if you are just not
Speaker 2: joining us, we did talk about the schedule conversation among
Speaker 2: Louisville fans and Kentucky fans, and what I mean is
Speaker 2: the sprink of schedule because it's been I feel like
Speaker 2: a talking point way more in the last six seven
Speaker 2: years than it ever was before for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: One is that we don't we don't get a chance
Speaker 2: to actually say on the field until the end of
Speaker 2: the year. So whenever you have a tough time really
Speaker 2: knowing who I mean, I think last year I know
Speaker 2: it looked like a fool at the end of the
Speaker 2: year when they lost to them, But like, objectively speaking,
Speaker 2: Louisville had a better season, and I feel like you
Speaker 2: can you can say that they were a better team
Speaker 2: based off results, but when they did play head to head,
Speaker 2: Louisville loss. So therefore Kentucky is not at all wrong
Speaker 2: and saying we were better than Louisville last year pains
Speaker 2: me to know that. But like, you know, back to
Speaker 2: my original point, which is, whenever you can't settle it
Speaker 2: until the end of the year and you want to
Speaker 2: go back and forth with your rival, not even during
Speaker 2: the season, but also off season in the summer like
Speaker 2: we do around here, it's just well, you know, you
Speaker 2: ain't play nobody, And it's mostly Kentucky fans that say that,
Speaker 2: and then Louisville fans get involved because you know, as
Speaker 2: a fan, I feel like it's normal. It's natural to
Speaker 2: have the instincts to like chirp back at the rival
Speaker 2: when they're claiming that you had ten wins acc championship appearance,
Speaker 2: but you know that didn't mean anything. You got stink,
Speaker 2: And I think you know, both things can be true.
Speaker 2: Kentucky plays a better schedule in conference every year than Louisville.
Speaker 2: Because of the conference affiliation, the SEC is a better
Speaker 2: league than the ACC. Anybody arguing differently is just wrong.
Speaker 2: But what it comes down to is does the does
Speaker 2: the non conference balance it out enough? Like let me
Speaker 2: give you an example. I think it was back in
Speaker 2: two thousand, two thousand. What year was it where Kentucky
Speaker 2: came back from in back? Yea it was. I think
Speaker 2: it was Kentucky in twenty twenty two when Louisville and
Speaker 2: Kentucky played two years ago. I guess it was sadderfields
Speaker 2: last year that Kentucky team. They underachieved in a major way.
Speaker 2: They were coming off of a ten win season. They
Speaker 2: went three and five in the SEC, and I don't
Speaker 2: think they beat a team with a winning record other
Speaker 2: than Louisville. So with that, you know, going into that game,
Speaker 2: despite Louisville playing in the ACC and Kentucky playing in
Speaker 2: the SEC, because of just how like some teams are
Speaker 2: so good and some teams are so bad that it's
Speaker 2: going to fluctuate how your overall schedule is ranked. So
Speaker 2: with all that said, Louisville lost the game. In fact,
Speaker 2: they lost twenty six thirteen and really wasn't that close, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, in that season, Kentucky actually played a
Speaker 2: weaker schedule, and Kentucky fans can't process that. They think
Speaker 2: there's just no scenario. Louisville might as well be playing
Speaker 2: a high school schedule. We play in the Almighty sec. Well,
Speaker 2: you also played Miami, Ohio, Youngstown State, Northern Illinois, all
Speaker 2: though three of those teams are terrible, and you played
Speaker 2: Florida and beat them. But that Florida team in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, I'm pretty sure went on to have Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were three and five. Like that win was big
Speaker 2: when you got it, it meant nothing in the grand
Speaker 2: scheme of things. And at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: when you play Louisville in the last game of the season,
Speaker 2: it doesn't benefit your strength to schedule. It doesn't kill it,
Speaker 2: but it's not looked at as a top twenty type win.
Speaker 2: Then they played Ole Miss and All Miss was pretty
Speaker 2: good that year, right, I mean that was Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 2: Was that his first year, second year, I think it
Speaker 2: might have been his second year, and that team went
Speaker 2: eight and five, and that was a good year for
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin. Then you played South Carolina and lost to them.
Speaker 2: That South Carolina team, they went four and four in
Speaker 2: the SEC, but it was a loss. Then you played
Speaker 2: in Mississippi State, I believe at that point it looked
Speaker 2: like it might be and that was a decent win.
Speaker 2: That was a nine and four Mississippi State team, so
Speaker 2: that was a decent win for him. Then they played Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Then they played Missouri and beat Missouri and if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken, that Missouri team, yeah, they were bad, three
Speaker 2: and five in the SEC. Then they played Georgia number one,
Speaker 2: and then Louisville, who, by the way, at that time
Speaker 2: was ranked twenty fifth in the country. So overall, like
Speaker 2: because you do play eight games against teams that are
Speaker 2: typically better than the eight teams Louisville plays, what it
Speaker 2: comes down to is like if Kentucky's strength they schedule
Speaker 2: ever ends up being weaker, it's just because they played
Speaker 2: Vandy and a bad SEC team and they are non conference,
Speaker 2: and with Louisville, you know, they play like they're gonna
Speaker 2: play eight games in conference play this year. Two of
Speaker 2: them are against Florida State and Miami who are ranked
Speaker 2: in the top twenty five, and then they're gonna play
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, who's the top ten team. That's a non
Speaker 2: conference game that counts towards your schedule. So the gap
Speaker 2: is usually not as why is Kentucky fans might make
Speaker 2: you think. However, you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. Like That's why I've asked myself
Speaker 2: the question why do I get triggered? Because the reason
Speaker 2: this whole thing came up is because today when I
Speaker 2: popped open Twitter and you go to the four U
Speaker 2: section of the platform where it just shows you things
Speaker 2: that they think you're interested in. If it's not like
Speaker 2: stuff which I don't ever seek out political content effort.
Speaker 2: I don't look for it, I don't consume it. But
Speaker 2: yet it's unavoidable when you get to an election year
Speaker 2: on an app owned by Elon Musk. So the other
Speaker 2: stuff I see, it's people I don't follow, but it's
Speaker 2: Louisville fans and Kentucky fans fighting with each other about
Speaker 2: the strengthen schedule. And you know, Matt talked about it
Speaker 2: on KSR a couple days ago, and you know there
Speaker 2: are people that just think Louisville might as well be
Speaker 2: a high school team. And yeah, they've had some accomplishments
Speaker 2: over the course of their time as a program, but
Speaker 2: none of it meant anything because I mean they play
Speaker 2: high school teams. I mean two BCS Bowl wins, a
Speaker 2: trip to a Power five conference championship game, a Heisman
Speaker 2: Trophy winner. I mean since they stopped playing football with
Speaker 2: leather helmets, Louisville's been a better program. I mean that's
Speaker 2: not because they're great, it's because Kentucky before Mark Stoops
Speaker 2: was I feel like, maybe not historically a joke, but
Speaker 2: like they did not have the sustained success they've had
Speaker 2: now under Stoops. And it's not like he's winning ten
Speaker 2: games every year, but he's at least done it twice
Speaker 2: and their bottom, their floor is not what it wants.
Speaker 2: Was two and ten, three and nine seasons at Kentucky.
Speaker 2: I feel like they were probably still pretty rare, but
Speaker 2: they weren't like, Wow, what happened to Kentucky? They're two
Speaker 2: and ten, three and nine, Like it wasn't that big
Speaker 2: of a surprise because for about a four decade stretch,
Speaker 2: it kind of felt like, more often than not they're
Speaker 2: going to be closer to being really bad than being
Speaker 2: you know, above average, So you know, if I'm a
Speaker 2: Louisville fan and I need to take my own advice
Speaker 2: here because again I mentioned I'm a little triggered by
Speaker 2: this as well, because I don't know why at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, Louisville's going to play who's on
Speaker 2: their schedule, Kentucky's going to play who's on their schedule,
Speaker 2: And I think for Louisville, you know, when you do
Speaker 2: have success, you don't want your rival yap until you
Speaker 2: about it meaning nothing, and then whenever you do end
Speaker 2: up facing them, like last year when they weren't good,
Speaker 2: did not have a good year by their standard even
Speaker 2: and didn't like their team, didn't have much confidence in
Speaker 2: that game, and you won ten games and had already
Speaker 2: secured a spot in the ACC title game. Like that
Speaker 2: makes it to where everything they say that we I
Speaker 2: think no is nonsense. They can at least say it
Speaker 2: and not sound crazy because they've got a victory over
Speaker 2: you in the head to head. Like for example, Kentucky
Speaker 2: being ranked were they I don't know what they were ranked,
Speaker 2: but they didn't receive near the votes that Louisville did,
Speaker 2: and the A people and none of that matters. But
Speaker 2: in the preseason, a people. Louisville was the first team unranked,
Speaker 2: so technically twenty sixth. And by the way, this is
Speaker 2: this is something that I'm nitpicking here. But you know
Speaker 2: how I talked about a couple of weeks ago, John
Speaker 2: about how when when sideline reporters or just reporters in general,
Speaker 2: when reporting on an injury, they'll say such and such
Speaker 2: is out with a knee, he's leaving with his shoulder,
Speaker 2: whether he steals somebody's shoulder like that. I don't know
Speaker 2: why that pisses me off. It shouldn't I shouldn't care,
Speaker 2: but it does. Another thing that irritates me is when
Speaker 2: people say Louisville's ranked twenty six they're not because they
Speaker 2: received votes. It's a it's a top twenty five ranking. Therefore,
Speaker 2: if you're not in the top twenty five, you know
Speaker 2: what you are not you're not ranked. It sounds like
Speaker 2: I'm crushing Louisville, Like you can't claim your rank, you
Speaker 2: guys suck. It's not about Louislle. Could be anybody could
Speaker 2: be Indiana there, if that makes sense, Like do you
Speaker 2: Clearly I'm worked up about it and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But overall the premise of what I'm saying, like, that's true. Correct,
Speaker 2: If you're not in the top twenty five, you were
Speaker 2: not ranked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's I guess one way that they could
Speaker 1: eliminate that issue altogether is just by not showing who
Speaker 1: who else is receiving votes, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think actually, I think it's good to
Speaker 2: see who's receiving votes because it shows where you stand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, like it doesn't mean you're ranked. Like so
Speaker 2: when people say, well, technically they be ranked thirty second,
Speaker 2: you can say they would come in at thirty second
Speaker 2: because that's where they fall among everybody who got a vote.
Speaker 2: But when you're if you're not in the top twenty five, again,
Speaker 2: you know what you're not, you're not ranked. Anyways, moving on,
Speaker 2: I'm in a weird mental space today. I'm sorry, But anyways,
Speaker 2: Louisville received more votes than Kentuck and I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's what triggered Matt talking about on his show.
Speaker 2: Didn't I didn't hear it, but I know it became
Speaker 2: a big thing on Twitter when he was claiming that
Speaker 2: Louisville doesn't play Clemson and doesn't play Miami, and they
Speaker 2: don't play any of the good teams in the ACC
Speaker 2: if he even said they are any good teams in
Speaker 2: the ACC. And you know it, Kentucky claiming they deserve
Speaker 2: to be ranked ahead of Louisville this upcoming season would
Speaker 2: be based off what the fact that they've beat him
Speaker 2: the last five years and the fact that they won recently,
Speaker 2: which was just last season. Like that that doesn't like,
Speaker 2: That's one of the things I just can't like. So
Speaker 2: that means that technically, you know, Michigan should be ranked
Speaker 2: ahead of Ohio State this year, and that you know,
Speaker 2: Alabama should be ranked ahead of Georgia because Alabama made
Speaker 2: the playoff and Georgia didn't. Like, you know, I just
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that I just like. It's
Speaker 2: bad enough that Kentucky's been able to extend the streak
Speaker 2: as long as they have, but when brom came here,
Speaker 2: like when you hold that over our head that you
Speaker 2: beat us as many times consecutively as you had, I
Speaker 2: can't claim you shouldn't do that because I'd do the
Speaker 2: same thing if I was a Kentucky fan, right, because
Speaker 2: that's what you do. It's bragging rights, it's scoreboard, it's
Speaker 2: a rivalry. But like they even know deep down, they're
Speaker 2: not facing the same Louisville as they did under Sadd White.
Speaker 2: I mean that guy kidding me he was scared of
Speaker 2: Mark Stoops. Mark Stoops was an alpha to him. Stoops,
Speaker 2: I mean he owned him. I mean when Sat went
Speaker 2: crying boohooing about L's down at midfield and the first
Speaker 2: time they played each other, are you kidding me? Like,
Speaker 2: that's the weakest thing that's ever happened in this rivalry.
Speaker 2: Makes me sick to my stomach even thinking about it.
Speaker 2: So with all that said, the one thing you can't
Speaker 2: do when it's your first year with Brahm is win
Speaker 2: ten games and then lose to him again. And he
Speaker 2: did that, And I'm not saying he did it specifically,
Speaker 2: but like, I will never act as if that wasn't demoralizing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't change the fact that they had a hell
Speaker 2: of a year and they're carrying momentum into this year
Speaker 2: with it being his second season. But man, I mean,
Speaker 2: they're not carrying momentum as far as, like you know, results,
Speaker 2: because they struggled at the end of the year. But
Speaker 2: still they're coming off of a of a good season,
Speaker 2: a really good season, to be honest with you, and
Speaker 2: the fact that Kentucky got him is you know, it's painful.
Speaker 2: So here's advice I would give Louisville fans. Don't get
Speaker 2: worked up about them claiming that what you did means
Speaker 2: nothing because of who you played, because the trigger for
Speaker 2: them to do that is because they don't have anything
Speaker 2: to claim that they're good. Now they can have a
Speaker 2: ten win season, But even in their ten win seasons,
Speaker 2: were they a top five SEC team? Probably not. And
Speaker 2: I don't see ten win seasons happening for them now
Speaker 2: that their conference has gotten a lot better. So you know, Louisville, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if they played in the SEC, would they have the
Speaker 2: BCS Bowl games? Would they have the Heisman Trophy winner?
Speaker 2: Probably not. I don't know. I mean maybe I think
Speaker 2: Bobby had some teams that would have not maybe won
Speaker 2: the SEC, but they certainly would have been competitive enough
Speaker 2: to be good. But we'll never know. So just understand
Speaker 2: that when they bring up you ain't played nobody, it's
Speaker 2: because they can have a seven and five, seven and
Speaker 2: six season, beat you. It the only team they have
Speaker 2: against the whin they have against the team with the
Speaker 2: winning record b three and five or maybe four and
Speaker 2: four in their league with wins against nobodies and the
Speaker 2: nobody's of their league, and they you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: they have. You know, again, winning is winning and they
Speaker 2: didn't used to win, So like they should be happy
Speaker 2: with where they are, you know, especially if you're a
Speaker 2: fan that's like my age or older, because the Stoops
Speaker 2: era has been a much more successful football era than
Speaker 2: any that we've lived through again if you're in my
Speaker 2: age range. But you know, as far as like big picture,
Speaker 2: you know, Heisman Trophy, college football playoff ranking stuff like
Speaker 2: you know, conference championship stuff. Again, like it's not it's
Speaker 2: not again that that's why I say both things can
Speaker 2: be true. Yeah, Kentucky plays in a better league, there's
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But when they yap about how
Speaker 2: bad louill because they said the same thing about Louisvill
Speaker 2: when they were in the Big East in the Conference USA,
Speaker 2: and it was legit then that they played in a
Speaker 2: better conference. But Louisville has gone to the ACC has
Speaker 2: still put together some you know, decent accomplishments in that time,
Speaker 2: including last year, and they don't have the ability to
Speaker 2: do that. Was it just a week ago that I
Speaker 2: was talking about like if I was a Kentucky fan,
Speaker 2: it would I would I would be bummed knowing that
Speaker 2: like we could, we could take another step up here
Speaker 2: with Mark Stoops, and it probably not do a whole
Speaker 2: lot for our record wins and loss wise, because you're
Speaker 2: adding two teams that are going to be more often
Speaker 2: than not a lot better than you in Oklahoma and
Speaker 2: Texas and also some of these teams that you've been
Speaker 2: able to beat. You can't control it, right, you know,
Speaker 2: you play who's on your schedule. But Florida ain't gonna
Speaker 2: be down that long. They're gonna get rid of Jeremy
Speaker 2: what's his name, not Jeremy that's got fired at Tennessee
Speaker 2: BILLI Napier. Yeah, they're gonna get rid of Bill in
Speaker 2: a paper soon. And you think if Lane Kiffin comes
Speaker 2: into Gainesville takes over Florida, that you're gonna be a
Speaker 2: better program than them for years to come. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't see that happening. You know, South Carolina, I
Speaker 2: think they're a peer of you, but they're beating you
Speaker 2: now and they're not even good. You know, Tennessee, they've
Speaker 2: historically been better than you. You took advantage of the fact,
Speaker 2: they had Butch Jones and Jeremy Prewett and whoever else
Speaker 2: was there in between Lane Kiffin, who I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm missing somebody. But now they've got Josh hipel and
Speaker 2: they're not elite, but they're good. They're and they're better.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't even bring this up to
Speaker 2: say like you all suck, You're going to be terrible
Speaker 2: in your league. I mean, I'm looking, I'm talking to
Speaker 2: you from a Louisville fans perspective. That's like, you know what,
Speaker 2: life ain't so bad in a league that clearly is,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the top three four leagues. It's
Speaker 2: not the big ten of the SEC, but you can
Speaker 2: get to the playoff. You're considered a power conference, and
Speaker 2: you know what, when you have a special season, you
Speaker 2: could see yourself winning your league. If Louisville had a
Speaker 2: super special season, like one of the best seasons that
Speaker 2: they've ever had in football, I'll be I'll be straight
Speaker 2: up with you, that didn't mean they'd win the SEC,
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they'd even be a top three team, because again,
Speaker 2: it's the best league in the country. I mean, if
Speaker 2: Texas keeps it rolling with Sark and this is sustainable Georgia, Bama, Texas.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, who knows what happens with Lane
Speaker 2: Kiffen if he goes to Florida, if that ends up happening.
Speaker 2: Like those are teams that Again, there are programs, there's
Speaker 2: food chains in this sport. We know that. But again
Speaker 2: the schedule stuff, I just think it's silly. But anyways,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break. I will get to what I
Speaker 2: was going to do at the start of the five
Speaker 2: o'clock hour until we had some technical issues. But on
Speaker 2: my four opinions about Louisville sports that I feel like
Speaker 2: would be very unpopular if I set it among other
Speaker 2: Louisville fans. And I'm stealing this from KSR after being
Speaker 2: accused of stealing from KSR and then being encouraged to
Speaker 2: steal from KSR. So tip of the cap to KSR
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Speaker 1: That's right, Coffee and Company fueled by Thornton's right here
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Speaker 1: tells you, we're going to go into Nick segment about
Speaker 1: his unpopular opinions about Louisville basketball and football?
Speaker 2: Is that correct? Nick? Just Louisville sports in general. I
Speaker 2: will I'll start with I'll start with setting it up
Speaker 2: as to how we got there. I know KSR does
Speaker 2: a unpopular opinion show every year, Matt does and and
Speaker 2: today they did it, some of them. The text line said,
Speaker 2: you steal enough from KSR on your show, why not
Speaker 2: do an unpopular opinion about Louisville sports like they did, which,
Speaker 2: again I feel like I was taking a straight there.
Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I don't know what I you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would steal from KSR. I mean,
Speaker 2: this show is super successful. I'm sure we could learn
Speaker 2: a thing or two from from from what they do.
Speaker 2: But I don't, you know. I try not to. I
Speaker 2: mean this, I try not to listen and sample what's
Speaker 2: going on really anywhere else more than just enough, because
Speaker 2: I don't want to be influenced to do content and
Speaker 2: talk about things that like it's just the expectation, you know,
Speaker 2: because I want to be original and sometimes it's hard
Speaker 2: to do just whenever, you know, it's quite clear. Hey, Louisville,
Speaker 2: Kentucky hired a new basketball coach that's what we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about for like a month, Like you just
Speaker 2: sometimes that's just that's just how it plays out. But
Speaker 2: I do try to be original. And again, I like
Speaker 2: all those guys on KSR. KSR is a great show.
Speaker 2: It's funny, it's entertaining, you know, but I don't. I
Speaker 2: did feel a little offended that people claim I'm stealing
Speaker 2: from because I don't really know what that would even be.
Speaker 2: But I will steal after being encouraged to steal and
Speaker 2: give some unpopular opinions about Louisville sports. And again, let
Speaker 2: me set it up even more so as far as
Speaker 2: what this is. Imagine yourself being at work among your
Speaker 2: Louisville fans, or maybe being at L and N Cardinal
Speaker 2: Stadium tailgating, and you're among the family Louisville fans, right, like,
Speaker 2: this's a good chance that nine out of ten people
Speaker 2: that are tailgating with you for a louisvill football game
Speaker 2: or Louisville fans. So you share an opinion in regards
Speaker 2: to Louisville sports, and you know that it's unpopular among
Speaker 2: the majority that is there. You know that they may
Speaker 2: look at you kind of sideways. You may not get
Speaker 2: everybody to completely disagree with you, but you know by
Speaker 2: saying it, they're going to maybe even question if you're
Speaker 2: really a fan. Some of these I've said before, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how I ever presented it this way.
Speaker 2: I'll start with this one. L one C four was
Speaker 2: the stupidest thing of all time, Louisville First Cards Forever.
Speaker 2: It was so corny it was, I mean, I thought it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there was ever any moment
Speaker 2: where I ever not that they need me to do
Speaker 2: anything to make it official. Clearly it was a big thing.
Speaker 2: It was all over the merchandise, it was all over everywhere.
Speaker 2: It was like the marketing slogan. And I don't know
Speaker 2: who came up with it, and I don't, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to offend them. I just when that
Speaker 2: became like what Louisville's like, that's our tagline, l one
Speaker 2: C four Louisville First Cards forever, from the second I
Speaker 2: heard it until today at five point thirty six August fourteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I find it to be very, very,
Speaker 2: very corny, and I'm glad that it's kind of dead.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you'll still find people hashtagging it.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll find people wearing gear that says it.
Speaker 2: You may run into a fan that says it, and
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't make me angry. It didn't make me,
Speaker 2: didn't make me, you know, want to call them out
Speaker 2: and say, hey, don't you do that again. We killed that,
Speaker 2: we buried it. It's dead, don't bring it back. It
Speaker 2: was terrible, but like for me personally, it got to
Speaker 2: me because I'm a I mean, look, I'm Cardboy, right,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Diard loisvill fan. Like anybody else you
Speaker 2: know that that is is among the family of Louisville
Speaker 2: fans that is really into it. So I felt bad, Like, man,
Speaker 2: I kind of hate that, but I shouldn't because I'm
Speaker 2: a Louisville fan. Like it was. It was healthy for
Speaker 2: me to learn at that point you can still be
Speaker 2: a big fan and just like know that there's certain
Speaker 2: things that like you just don't think are Like, for example,
Speaker 2: those uniforms we talked about last week, which by the way,
Speaker 2: you can buy those in stores now. The U of
Speaker 2: L uniforms that have yellow letters on them making them
Speaker 2: look like Ronald McDonald, those are hideous. Those are that's
Speaker 2: not even Louisville's colors. Doesn't mean I'm not a louisvill fan.
Speaker 2: If they wear them, I'm not going to be bothered.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to not go to the game or
Speaker 2: watch because they're wearing them. But like I can tell
Speaker 2: you and no, deep down it doesn't have any impact
Speaker 2: on my fan that those uniforms are hideous. So there's that.
Speaker 2: Does that? Do you think that was strong? Is that?
Speaker 2: Like you know, I mean, I don't even know if
Speaker 2: you know or even care about l one C four,
Speaker 2: but like the so I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: that would be unpopular.
Speaker 1: I was in high school when I believe that was
Speaker 1: like the big tagline for Louisville, and I mean people
Speaker 1: my age embraced it. I don't know if I ever
Speaker 1: really thought about it being corny. But now that I'm
Speaker 1: older and I guess have a bigger concept of things
Speaker 1: like that being corny and cringe, I think I'm with
Speaker 1: you on that.
Speaker 2: Like, it doesn't it doesn't, it doesn't harm anything. It
Speaker 2: doesn't like, it's not detrimental to the brand of U
Speaker 2: of l Athletics because it's just it's just my opinion,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, like now, if they were coming out with
Speaker 1: a new tagline today, I don't think that would be it.
Speaker 1: I think there'd be a lot more self awareness with it.
Speaker 2: Maybe. I just I just searched for hashtag l one
Speaker 2: C four on Twitter and went to the latest tab
Speaker 2: to where it shows you like the latest, and there's
Speaker 2: still people that use it. So you know, it's not
Speaker 2: what is It doesn't new? Is it? It just go cards?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Now? L's Up was a thing, so I guess it.
Speaker 2: Really that's a good question to maybe ask Josh Hurt.
Speaker 2: Now he definitely lets his team in marketing and miss
Speaker 2: Stockwell and her group like they're marketing branding, like they
Speaker 2: do a really good job in that regard. So you know,
Speaker 2: Josh may tell you to ask them. But I know
Speaker 2: L one C four became a thing right around the
Speaker 2: Tom Lowell was joining the ACC, and I know Chris
Speaker 2: Mack he had L's Up obviously. Right now, Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: is revival. I mean brom squad, that's one I've always
Speaker 2: used with football. Maybe there's one that's you know, uh.
Speaker 2: And sometimes they'll create their own hashtag for like a
Speaker 2: new era of players with a like a recruiting class.
Speaker 2: So you know again, I share that just to know that,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people, if you come out and
Speaker 2: say L one C four is really corny and I
Speaker 2: wish they never used it, and I wish they wouldn't
Speaker 2: use it again, people would look at you like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like that's that's our that's our brand.
Speaker 2: So that's why I feel like it's unpopular maybe maybe
Speaker 2: more than anything. This should be labeled on my end
Speaker 2: instead of unpopular opinion, it should be insecurities as a fan, because.
Speaker 1: You know, India just introduced a new hashtag, never Daunted.
Speaker 1: It's from the fight song.
Speaker 2: I saw that.
Speaker 1: I feel about it.
Speaker 2: But do you know who for tweeted that that. I
Speaker 2: realized what is this? And then I looked into it
Speaker 2: and found out what it was.
Speaker 1: Who was it?
Speaker 2: Rick Bosic? Oh okay, that doesn't tell you he's sigged up.
Speaker 1: He is sigged up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Bosich. He's gonna be walking around. He
Speaker 2: can't smoke at press conferences, but he's gonna have a
Speaker 2: cigarette in his ear when he's waiting for Signette to
Speaker 2: get done with the game, and he's letting everybody know
Speaker 2: that once he walks out of what's Indiana Stadium.
Speaker 1: Called Memorial Stadium.
Speaker 2: Once he walks out of Memorial Stadium, he's lighting up
Speaker 2: for signette baby.
Speaker 1: Instead of the signature. Laugh, it'll be like a cough
Speaker 1: in the background. Here we're posting the press conference.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there you go, dude. They should have you
Speaker 2: do that before the team runs on the field.
Speaker 1: I hope in the in the pregame hype video that
Speaker 1: there's someone lighting a cigarette or a cigar in the background.
Speaker 1: I doubt there will be, but I'd be all for that.
Speaker 2: All right, I got another I got another unpopular opinion
Speaker 2: that you know, I think some time has passed therefore,
Speaker 2: you know, it's probably not going to be something that
Speaker 2: seems to be so unpopular. But I feel like Rick
Speaker 2: Patino should have been fired after the Minoriti Hall thing
Speaker 2: because it did it did a lot of damage to
Speaker 2: I think the brand of U of L. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean just the fact that like that happened at
Speaker 2: Minorti Hall, because I mean I do actually believe that
Speaker 2: it's not some crazy like again, we don't need to
Speaker 2: get into it today certainly not the day to do that,
Speaker 2: but I mean the timeline and the amount of money,
Speaker 2: And again I get uncomfortable and gross thinking about it,
Speaker 2: because the way if I don't, if even if I
Speaker 2: lay this out exactly the way I want it to
Speaker 2: want to lay it out, it's still going to sound,
Speaker 2: at least to an extent, like I'm defending it like
Speaker 2: it wasn't awful and it wasn't a big deal. And
Speaker 2: I never want to do that because it's gross. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't some elaborate thing to where every weekend there
Speaker 2: or stripper parties and a ton of money was exchanging hands.
Speaker 2: We're talking about a handful of times over multiple years,
Speaker 2: and a very small amount of money doesn't make it
Speaker 2: okay at all. But what I'm saying is that makes
Speaker 2: it a little bit more plausible that Rick wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: And anybody who thinks Rick Patino would know of this
Speaker 2: and encourage it to get players like he would never
Speaker 2: He would literally murder Andre McGee if he knew ahead
Speaker 2: of time what he was planning and doing, like anybody
Speaker 2: who knows Rick, who knows the ongoings of the program
Speaker 2: at that time, like shady stuff I'm sure happened, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure it happened everywhere to an extent, but like
Speaker 2: the fact that Patino was behind Katina Powell and her crew,
Speaker 2: like that's just nonsense. But again, it still happened. And
Speaker 2: I think when you have something of that magnitude happen
Speaker 2: and you, I mean, you don't know when you're the
Speaker 2: head coach and something like that went on, Like again,
Speaker 2: you're still responsible for your pro and more than anything,
Speaker 2: nobody getting fired, not a single person losing their job
Speaker 2: at the University of Louisville after that scandal and them
Speaker 2: punishing themselves by taking away a tournament and then just
Speaker 2: assuming that because they did that that there'd be no
Speaker 2: further punishment, Like I think it damaged the brand to
Speaker 2: some to some extent in regards to that we don't
Speaker 2: care about anything, you know what I mean, Like we're
Speaker 2: we're untouchable. Our coach is untouchable. He's Rick Patino, He's
Speaker 2: like it made it look as if Rick is in
Speaker 2: fact bigger than the program. And I think you can
Speaker 2: never you know, and you can never operate it that
Speaker 2: way ever, so I think had you and by the way,
Speaker 2: for those who think, well who did get no, he
Speaker 2: got fired because of the Brian Bowen thing, which actually
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, would have never happened if
Speaker 2: he did get fired, because Louil wouldn't have been involved
Speaker 2: in that whole thing. But I think that he truly was,
Speaker 2: like completely like the one thing that did get him fired.
Speaker 2: I do think he was innocently just you know, it
Speaker 2: was just bad luck for him as far as how
Speaker 2: it played out, and because he's such a high profile coach,
Speaker 2: they they wanted to make an example out of him.
Speaker 2: All Right, this is probably not that unpopular, but I
Speaker 2: know at least some would disagree, And if you're younger,
Speaker 2: you may not disagree, but you may just not believe
Speaker 2: me because you're so young. But I believe that the
Speaker 2: Louisville football team from two thousand and four is the
Speaker 2: best Louisville football team we've ever had here. That team,
Speaker 2: I mean just completely completely loaded. They ended up going
Speaker 2: eleven and one, eight and zero. Their only loss was
Speaker 2: at Miami, who of course had a gazillion NFL players
Speaker 2: on that team. They beat number ten Boise State, who
Speaker 2: was an undefeated team at that time in that bowl game.
Speaker 2: And man, that roster are that roster and that staff.
Speaker 2: I mean, Louisville was still in Conference USA at the time.
Speaker 2: Therefore it wasn't he just didn't get the same level
Speaker 2: of you know, it just didn't get the same You
Speaker 2: did not get the same notoriety that you would at
Speaker 2: eleven and one if you were in the Big East.
Speaker 2: But I mean they were at roster, had some really
Speaker 2: good players, and I think, you know, it's hard to
Speaker 2: say that. I mean, there's no conversation with the best
Speaker 2: quarterback ever for Louisville because of Lamar Jackson coming here
Speaker 2: and doing what he did. But I think Stefan Lafour's
Speaker 2: to me in that season and really just his career.
Speaker 2: He only played two years as a starter because he
Speaker 2: was behind Dave for going, but pre Lamar, I was
Speaker 2: still willing to put Stefan as the best quarterback that
Speaker 2: I ever watched play here, ahead of Teddy, ahead of Brian.
Speaker 2: That's just how special that group was. So I don't
Speaker 2: know how controversial or unpopular that is, but I would
Speaker 2: imagine most would not agree that that's the best LOOVL
Speaker 2: football team of all time. But that's what I think.
Speaker 2: Last one. This is more recent, and I made this
Speaker 2: pretty clear throughout, and you know, there's no sense in
Speaker 2: dwelling on it because it's in the past, and you know,
Speaker 2: things are good now, I believe, but I still believe
Speaker 2: that Kenny Payne, his situation at u of L was
Speaker 2: not handled correctly by the administration. What I mean by
Speaker 2: that is those that kept saying, well, what do you
Speaker 2: want him to say? Like, I still think everything I
Speaker 2: said about Kenny about the administration, I still stand by.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you have to agree. And again it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter now because it's over. But the silence and
Speaker 2: the blatant goofs that made the brand take hit after
Speaker 2: hit from this clown show of a staff, things that
Speaker 2: you know, not even like you don't even have to
Speaker 2: be like the way the whole thing played out with
Speaker 2: Karan Davis and the two statements and the staff wearing
Speaker 2: Nikes in it. You know, when you have the biggest
Speaker 2: Adidas deal in the country and you know, not knowing
Speaker 2: you need to hire refs for an inner squad red
Speaker 2: white scrimmage. Like, there were so many goofs that showed
Speaker 2: that this guy was just in comp take away wins
Speaker 2: and losses, take away the games, just he could not.
Speaker 2: He was embarrassing to this program in a way that
Speaker 2: I hope if we ever get even in the same
Speaker 2: planet as to that big of a debacle, which we
Speaker 2: never will if we tried. And I mean that someone
Speaker 2: needs to be out in front, and you know, there's
Speaker 2: no good thing to say when that's happening. There isn't.
Speaker 2: But that's why that's a tough job. You know, many
Speaker 2: times people have to get in front of a microphone
Speaker 2: and a camera to address the obvious thing that's going
Speaker 2: on when they know there's not a single thing they
Speaker 2: could say as far as words that's going to make
Speaker 2: anybody feel better, that's going to make it all go away.
Speaker 2: But the silence I feel like was a huge, huge miss.
Speaker 2: But again, Louisville fans are so passionate, they care so
Speaker 2: much that in the end, you know, in the end
Speaker 2: it probably won't matter because you've got to do a
Speaker 2: lot more to us. I mean, think about the little
Speaker 2: basketball fans have gone through in the last ten years collectively.
Speaker 2: We ain't going anywhere. We'll ride it out for hopes
Speaker 2: of better days, which I do think those better days
Speaker 2: are here. So again, I know that's probably not the
Speaker 2: right time to say this with the vibes being so
Speaker 2: good for Louisville hoops, but I still think that the
Speaker 2: Year two could have been, you know, from a pr perspective,
Speaker 2: handled a lot better. But we're at a time quick break.
Speaker 2: We'll come back and wrap it up on the other side.
Speaker 1: Here wrap it up rising one more time from the
Speaker 1: pool zone. As we mentioned earlier, is Nick Coffee here
Speaker 1: in this final segment.
Speaker 2: Just imagine me walking out of the pool with just water,
Speaker 2: listening off my rock hard, muscle filled body. I have
Speaker 2: no yeah, I have no hair. I was gonna be
Speaker 2: like doing some kind of like fabio thing to you know,
Speaker 2: dry my hair off, but I have none of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, a good song to do that too. By
Speaker 1: the way, the one we just played, Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: eminem it. It's the Nick Coffee vibe.
Speaker 2: I feel like, so you know what that uh you
Speaker 2: know what that song reminds me of with that, not
Speaker 2: the minem, but the that's a sample of a song.
Speaker 2: But the Night at the Do you know what that is?
Speaker 1: The movie?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, you probably haven't seen it, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't need to watch it. It's old, but it
Speaker 2: would have made me sad if you didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was, because it's actually it's it's like early Will
Speaker 2: Ferrell and it's Chris Catan, who I feel like never
Speaker 2: gets it, never gets the love he deserves because he's
Speaker 2: he's really funny. But anyways, yes, no more water shows
Speaker 2: after today, so I'll be above water and uh and
Speaker 2: in good shape to you know, do the show normally,
Speaker 2: but actually think all things consider. Not to pat ourselves
Speaker 2: on the back here, but I feel like we made
Speaker 2: we made it work today. We had some we that's
Speaker 2: the day of the game. That's a show today, that's
Speaker 2: what we aim to do. So if you've missed any
Speaker 2: of the show, make sure you down on. The podcast
Speaker 2: will be up here soon and we will talk to
Speaker 2: you guys tomorrow. Have a go one. This has been
Speaker 2: Coffee and Company Field Matt Thornton's on Sports Talk seven
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