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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay Bobo.
Speaker 2: So Cliff, nothing well, all sorts of stuff as usual,
Speaker 2: but nothing in particular, just the general modgepodge of bigfoot
Speaker 2: stuff and people and events and all that other stuff.
Speaker 2: But it didn't Bart come up and visit you recently
Speaker 2: you do anything with him? Do you go to the woods?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got four nights in a rows. Nothing. We
Speaker 3: didn't do anything up but it was it was awesome
Speaker 3: and beautiful and had a good time. Was the moon
Speaker 3: was waxing, so we had some moonlight, which isn't always
Speaker 3: the best for having a squash action, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful. It wasn't It was really cold one
Speaker 3: at this and that we did the where we drive
Speaker 3: up and down through the ball hills with Bart sits
Speaker 3: in the beach chair in the back of his in
Speaker 3: the bed of his truck and then I drive and
Speaker 3: that guy can Swiss stand some cold macaus He's out
Speaker 3: there in the wind for hours, just throwing up and
Speaker 3: down the all the meadows and prairies and stuff.
Speaker 4: That sounds terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds. That does. Sounds kind of scary. But
Speaker 2: you know, you put thermal imager to Bart's eyes and
Speaker 2: there's no place in the world he'd rather be.
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's crazy glue to his eye.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the guy's nuts. The guy's nuts.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: You've said it before, and I one hundred percent agree
Speaker 2: with you that. Uh. I don't think anybody puts a
Speaker 2: thermal to their eye more than Bart does. You know,
Speaker 2: when he's out there like he might as well just
Speaker 2: make glasses out of him and wearing the entire time.
Speaker 2: He's always got him up to his face. And that's
Speaker 2: how he's seen a couple of these things through thermal
Speaker 2: imagers too, brief courses here and there, because if not
Speaker 2: watching all the time, you're gonna miss something, and Bart
Speaker 2: doesn't want to miss anything.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah, I keep it up. I keep it
Speaker 3: to my eye a lot too, but not as much
Speaker 3: as him. Now. I just got prescription glasses for the
Speaker 3: first time in like ten years.
Speaker 2: Nerd alert nice, so like glasses you have to wear
Speaker 2: all the time now, like well he said, he.
Speaker 3: Goes, hey, you can wear these all the time, and
Speaker 3: they're like bifocals. But by long distance eyesight's pretty good
Speaker 3: and the reading part is hitting this. But I have
Speaker 3: the by figles really mess me up, Like they're kind
Speaker 3: of like fishity like where they come together and just
Speaker 3: like they just kind of make me feel like a
Speaker 3: little dizzy or something like that, like well like just
Speaker 3: like funhouse mirrors or something, you know, kind of like
Speaker 3: to a small.
Speaker 2: Degree, Yeah, dizzier than usual though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this came up on your recent appearance
Speaker 4: on Charlie Raymond's YouTube channel, which I'll post the link
Speaker 4: in the comments, but I know people will want to
Speaker 4: know since we talked on two episodes now about you
Speaker 4: doing the document with the guy living his life by
Speaker 4: the roll of the dice, So our listeners might not
Speaker 4: have the update.
Speaker 3: On that yet.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's supposed to be this past week or something,
Speaker 2: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently my voice tex weren't going through and we
Speaker 3: had like I guess, like a scheduling this hap. I
Speaker 3: didn't hear back from him because he thought he thought
Speaker 3: I never was contacting him, So he wasn't contacting me,
Speaker 3: but we had the data set. So on that day
Speaker 3: I was ready and then he wasn't. They were like
Speaker 3: shooting something else. And I think I think he well
Speaker 3: because it was rolling dice and they had it where
Speaker 3: I was going to be two of the six options
Speaker 3: to go to. It's like one I had a third chance,
Speaker 3: and I guess he didn't roll mine.
Speaker 2: See, this guy doesn't know what he's getting into. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a great guy, and I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: a badass in his own sort of way, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's up against. Like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to live my life by chance. Well, yeah, we'll come
Speaker 2: meet the Master, meet Boba. You know he's got no
Speaker 2: no hope because your life, you know, like he Okay,
Speaker 2: so you get one and two you want to die
Speaker 2: roll of a d six, Dude, that's nothing compared to
Speaker 2: the chaos in your life. He came up against the
Speaker 2: Master and he lost. That's what it came down to.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he just rolled the other the other things.
Speaker 2: Maybe he did, maybe he did, but again, like what
Speaker 2: did you roll? Okay, Well, you're sending voice texts. They
Speaker 2: don't come through things happened. I don't know, like whatever
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be anything with you, you know,
Speaker 2: like a parachuter could crash through your roof or something
Speaker 2: and get hit by a meteorite in your car. There
Speaker 2: chances your constant companion through the oh Man. Well, I
Speaker 2: had a pretty good weekend myself. I mean, we had
Speaker 2: an event at the NABC. I invited the pigeons out
Speaker 2: to it, of course, and all the NABC members. Michael
Speaker 2: Freeman came out and did a special presentation just on
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety one Mill Creek Trackway, which is fantastic
Speaker 2: that you know, that one trackway. I believe it's the
Speaker 2: longest trackway ever recorded. And to think that Paul Freeman
Speaker 2: faked it is absolutely astonishingly dumb. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: I don't see there's any other there's probably more gentle
Speaker 2: words to describe it, but the sentiment will be there.
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely ridiculous to think that Paul Freeman would
Speaker 2: could fake that. You know, we had a nice reminder.
Speaker 2: Of course, Michael's an expert in his dad's stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: he knows a lot of the situations that contexts the
Speaker 2: people and Michael was there. He saw those tracks in
Speaker 2: the ground. In fact, he cast a print with his dad.
Speaker 2: That was the first print that his dad allowed him
Speaker 2: to cast. He had seen others previously, but he was
Speaker 2: never allowed to actually pour the plaster and until that day.
Speaker 2: So he was actually there at the scene. But you know,
Speaker 2: digging up those Greg May documents that I posted for
Speaker 2: the pigeons as well as members, I hope he saw those.
Speaker 2: I mean six to eight miles up into the mountains.
Speaker 3: I always heard five. But that's that's even more impression.
Speaker 3: I mean, because that's that's so much terrain. I mean,
Speaker 3: we went and saw part of the trackway was some
Speaker 3: rough train to track me for that many miles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Greg May, a survival expert, an outdoor
Speaker 2: dude who taught at Washington State University at Pullman with Krantz,
Speaker 2: he told me I tracked him down. It took a
Speaker 2: long time, but I had a conversation with him this
Speaker 2: year brilliant the spring or something, and he told me
Speaker 2: that he turned around because the conditions were getting too bad.
Speaker 2: The snow and the weather and whatnot made it unsafe,
Speaker 2: so he turned around. And now so it went further
Speaker 2: than the you know, six to eight miles that he tracted.
Speaker 2: He just had to leave. Man. Remember, Paul Freeman at
Speaker 2: that point had a bad foot from a botched surgery.
Speaker 2: And you can see him in the photographs at the scene.
Speaker 2: He's walking with a cane. He couldn't go more than
Speaker 2: like thirty yards or something from his truck. But yet
Speaker 2: Paul faked them. No, that's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, and to think that a hoaxer would go
Speaker 2: through that level of effort. And it's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: you could use stompers for those because the tracks are all,
Speaker 2: you know, different than one another, not only in foot
Speaker 2: flexation but is but also in toe position and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. It's just boggles the mind that these people
Speaker 2: are like desperately holding onto this idea that Freeman hoaxed
Speaker 2: everything he found. You know that that's a's a sad
Speaker 2: state of belief, I think, you know, and they call us,
Speaker 2: you know, the hopeless romantics or whatever they call us
Speaker 2: for thinking sasquatches are real, but they're clinging onto these
Speaker 2: weak arguments. I don't know, it's just so odd, Like
Speaker 2: once you start I wonder how much the diehard skeptics
Speaker 2: have really looked at not only the evidence itself, but
Speaker 2: also the context of the Freeman evidence. My bet would
Speaker 2: be probably almost not at all, is my guess. I
Speaker 2: know that no one's you know, no one's reached out
Speaker 2: to me to see me the Freeman evidence. No one,
Speaker 2: I don't think really people have reached out to Jeff
Speaker 2: to ask about it, but they're more than willing to blast,
Speaker 2: you know, detrimental comments on Facebook or whatever about Paul Freeman.
Speaker 2: But no one's willing to look at the evidence. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And I mean, how many of those qualified to know
Speaker 3: what they're looking at?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have to be academically qualified. I
Speaker 2: don't think it sure helps, of course, you know, but
Speaker 2: I'd love it whatever, yeah, tracker or something, or say,
Speaker 2: if you have a decent body of footprint casts, you know,
Speaker 2: like you have a good cast collection, you know, like
Speaker 2: you I think that qualifies you to some degree to
Speaker 2: come check it out. But if you have like five
Speaker 2: or six casts, well that's not very many, is.
Speaker 3: It, you know? Yeah, I've seen Hunters your cast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then having you and Jeff points about while I'm
Speaker 3: looking at them, I'm not just looking at him like
Speaker 3: totally uninformed. You guys, you know you didn't just to
Speaker 3: point out interesting aspects something to me that I've learned from,
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course after the event, you know, Mark Marcel
Speaker 2: was there, you know, the of Ape Canyon fame, Shane
Speaker 2: Corson and Chris and Rebecca Spencer were there. They came
Speaker 2: back to the house and hung out a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I got to show them some of them Eldrum collection,
Speaker 2: and you can imagine Mark Marcel's excitement with the files
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. So it was a good,
Speaker 2: good weekend, good weekend, although you know, I went to
Speaker 2: bed at three and then you know, Shane and Mark
Speaker 2: stayed up to almost five talking, So it was an
Speaker 2: exhausting weekend. I'm it was so fun, but I'm so
Speaker 2: glad it's over and I can get back to my normal, quiet,
Speaker 2: introverted life of being alone with my wife.
Speaker 4: Tis the season?
Speaker 2: Tis the season? Yeah, sure is.
Speaker 4: And speaking of which, this is the final Q and
Speaker 4: A of twenty twenty five. It's been a lot of
Speaker 4: great questions submitted all year long, but I think this
Speaker 4: one is particularly good. There's a good wide range of
Speaker 4: questions here, and we got quite a few voicemails from
Speaker 4: our lovely listeners. So if you guys are ready, we
Speaker 4: can dive into those they are lovely. Let us begin
Speaker 4: with this stunningly named individual.
Speaker 5: Hi guys, this is Matt from Cleveland, Ohio. So my
Speaker 5: question goes to Bobo.
Speaker 2: Bobo.
Speaker 5: I was watching an episode of Finding big Foot from
Speaker 5: season one where you guys went to Prince of Wales Island, Alaska,
Speaker 5: and you were speaking to a woman who had seen
Speaker 5: a sasquatch up in a tree. You mentioned that you
Speaker 5: had heard of adult male sasquatches being up in trees.
Speaker 5: So I'm wondering, how would an adult sasquatch be able
Speaker 5: to climb a tree if it's so tall and so heavy. Anyways,
Speaker 5: keep a squash, You guys love the podcasts.
Speaker 3: I mean those big trees, I mean they I mean
Speaker 3: what that one they saw in an area some I
Speaker 3: think it was unimproved. The one that thought of the
Speaker 3: tree like eight foot or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they had a good size estimate.
Speaker 4: It's pretty large, but I mean it was a big tree.
Speaker 4: It was a huge tree, and I think the thought
Speaker 4: was that it must have just basically like climbed the
Speaker 4: trunk centrally and just grasping on or standing on branches
Speaker 4: as they connected to the trunk. And then what they
Speaker 4: saw was the top of the tree swinging wildly back
Speaker 4: and forth while all the other trees were stationary. And
Speaker 4: then the whole crown of that tree snapped off and
Speaker 4: fell to the ground. They saw this big, giant gray
Speaker 4: thing come out of it, essentially, and then when the
Speaker 4: crown crashed to the ground, they heard it run off.
Speaker 4: They could hear the footfalls. But yeah, I mean the
Speaker 4: sidings of gray ones down there tended to be in
Speaker 4: you know, seven foot plus feet tall, so presumably if
Speaker 4: that's some indicator of age, then yeah, it would be
Speaker 4: a big one. But again it was a very big tree.
Speaker 3: Well, those big hard ones they have no I mean,
Speaker 3: even a fifteen hundred pounds sasquash wouldn't be anything in
Speaker 3: a big tree like a big hardway. I mean climb
Speaker 3: up little pines and stuff like. I mean, those practices
Speaker 3: aren't you you know, supported, but you can get like
Speaker 3: an oak trees and stuff like that. They have no
Speaker 3: problem holding a huge animal.
Speaker 4: You know, and bears are very adept climbers. I mean
Speaker 4: they're not as heavy, but they still are great climbers.
Speaker 4: I remember, even small branches close to the trunk itself
Speaker 4: will hold a lot more weight thanenough to the end
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, basic physics, my boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any problems with sasquatches being in
Speaker 2: trees at all. I mean, they're basically built for their shoulders,
Speaker 2: their arms are real long. Yeah, yeah, they're they're climbers.
Speaker 2: They're definitely climbers. I mean then also not just trees.
Speaker 2: Remember that Bob Tipmas had a sighting I don't know when.
Speaker 2: I don't think his stuff is super well documented. There
Speaker 2: probably are obscure notes buried somewhere in some collection. Bob
Speaker 2: Tipmos had a sighting of a couple of them, like
Speaker 2: maybe two or three or four of them or something,
Speaker 2: climbing a cliff. He saw them at a great, great
Speaker 2: distance and they were just zipping up, like zipping up
Speaker 2: this cliff. So trees rocks whatever. Man, they're apes at
Speaker 2: the end of the day. Just like us, we can
Speaker 2: climb pretty well, and they can probably climb much much better.
Speaker 4: It's like Sarah's story, you know, the terrifying night in
Speaker 4: the Marble Mountains where she was basically on a cliff
Speaker 4: face that was almost like a small escarpment, and she
Speaker 4: thought as she was hearing it in the valley down below, like,
Speaker 4: oh well, even if it gets to the base of
Speaker 4: the cliff, there's no way it can get up to me.
Speaker 4: And then it scaled that thing. And yeah, there's many
Speaker 4: sidings of them, like scaling rock faces, or climbing trees,
Speaker 4: or climbing up on structures and things and apes. Climb,
Speaker 4: that's what they do, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I talked to this one guy. He worked in
Speaker 3: the wood where I worked in the woods up the
Speaker 3: cloud Up Tour or crik Up just also the tile
Speaker 3: of clouds. It's just real close out, several miles out.
Speaker 3: You got to go kind of far out there, but anyways,
Speaker 3: it's right there, coming in by the one O one
Speaker 3: when it comes into the river. He saw one go
Speaker 3: like a seventy foot cliff face, like in like dirt.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you know, stone, it was just dirt.
Speaker 3: But it flew up, he said, it just flew up
Speaker 3: it Like he said, you would have thought it was
Speaker 3: like on wires because it was sticking its hands, just
Speaker 3: making his hands like totally flat, like fingers straight out.
Speaker 3: It just would jabbed in the face of the of
Speaker 3: the dirt cliff face and throw itself up like that.
Speaker 3: It would stick its feet in where I already stuck
Speaker 3: its hand in, like punch his hand in. He use
Speaker 3: that for like a toe grip. As it went up
Speaker 3: and like he said, it just flew up. He said,
Speaker 3: it was like it looked like magic. Like you couldn't
Speaker 3: believe it if you didn't see yourself. Said, it was
Speaker 3: just amazing how fast he said, it look like it
Speaker 3: flew up the cliff practically.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the handprints that I find
Speaker 2: on these dirt slopes, these real steep dirt slopes that
Speaker 2: are not ninety degrees but like legit sixty degrees or more,
Speaker 2: the fingers are very often poked seemingly directly into the substrate,
Speaker 2: you know, whereas I might like claw my way up
Speaker 2: or whatever. A lot of times these things are, you know,
Speaker 2: and of course it might be a function of how
Speaker 2: they're scraping up to it. They might be doing the
Speaker 2: same thing as meat as clawing, and their fingers are
Speaker 2: you know, lungs that they go in pretty deep, but
Speaker 2: they're pretty well pressed, I guess horizontally almost into the
Speaker 2: substrate in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked to two Bio said they saw him
Speaker 3: do that, like where they they just stick their hand
Speaker 3: like just punch their hand like he's out as like
Speaker 3: you know, a hold the same as if there was
Speaker 3: like a protruding protruding rock sticking out you can grab ontire.
Speaker 3: They said, they pulled themselves out the same way, just
Speaker 3: jamming their hands into the dirt.
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Speaker 4: restrictions and important safety information. Well, how many times have
Speaker 4: you heard reports where they go up a slope very
Speaker 4: quickly and they seem to be like grabbing trees to
Speaker 4: pull themselves up while their legs are propelling them up.
Speaker 4: Their upper limbs, you know, their fore limbs are grabbing
Speaker 4: trees to pull themselves up to achieve a lot of speed.
Speaker 4: And that's really not that different from just climbing a
Speaker 4: face or a tree itself. You know, that's still climbing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's pretty much all the reports.
Speaker 3: When I go up with really steep grid, so they
Speaker 3: grab on a vegetation, I know I do. Yeah, anything
Speaker 3: with hands would, I'd imagine, or yeah, front claws whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, hands are way better for that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think a good lesson for any bigfooter is to
Speaker 2: try to put themselves in the same situation as a
Speaker 2: sasquatch to see what you do as a habitual biped
Speaker 2: while going up similar to substrate. Just a few few
Speaker 2: months ago, I was out at the Outer Rim and
Speaker 2: I found the Java his footprint, you know, the seventeen
Speaker 2: inch print that we nicknamed the animal Jaba out there,
Speaker 2: and it went up a little embankment on the side
Speaker 2: of an old logging road.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Thee bankment's probably six eight feet, you know, And I
Speaker 2: started climbing up into the woods or whatever, but you
Speaker 2: know it, there was a footprint on the diagonal substrate,
Speaker 2: I guess. And when I went up it, I put
Speaker 2: my hand down to the left and I stopped because
Speaker 2: ahead of me was something else. And I looked at
Speaker 2: it and I recognized that, oh my god, that is
Speaker 2: a handprint. And when I kind of looked at my
Speaker 2: own situation, I was literally putting my hand on the
Speaker 2: ground at that same moment, in the same sort of way,
Speaker 2: going the same direction up the same embankment. It's like,
Speaker 2: study yourself, study how you move in the woods, and
Speaker 2: then you'll see how they kind of do too, although
Speaker 2: just realize they're way better at it, and their arms
Speaker 2: are different in their hands and feet are different stuff,
Speaker 2: but we kind of do the same thing. So I think,
Speaker 2: to get back to the tree question, think about how
Speaker 2: you may climb a tree, and especially like as a
Speaker 2: young kid or whatever, when you probably did that thing
Speaker 2: more often, how did you do it, and just amplify that,
Speaker 2: you know, exponentially, and that's probably how they do it
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw clown trees, do you Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why is it that I was always up in the
Speaker 2: trees then and finding Bigfoot because.
Speaker 3: They were looking at it little ones. Okay, that's a
Speaker 3: great workout.
Speaker 2: Totally is Yeah, because there's consequences for not doing it
Speaker 2: well gravity. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I so much
Speaker 2: more afraid of heights now than I was during finding Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I'm way more afraid of hutch now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a tough time getting close to the edge
Speaker 2: of the roof and whatnot. You know, cleaning the gutters
Speaker 2: and stuff scares the willies out of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, because you know, you know what can happen.
Speaker 3: You know, if you get hurt, it's not gonna be
Speaker 3: better than a week. It's gonna be like a months. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And of course I was in my forties on finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: now in mid fifties. So maybe I'm just wiser. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if I'm just wiser or
Speaker 2: what's your either one, I'll take it.
Speaker 3: Probably the same thing.
Speaker 4: Well, should we go to the next voicemail?
Speaker 2: I think it's an appropriate time.
Speaker 4: Alrighty Cliff and Bobo, this is Michael Perry aka Pirate Mike.
Speaker 2: Huge fans watched.
Speaker 7: Your shows, been paying it two to your podcasts, and
Speaker 7: dab on a lot of other stuff. Y'all do quick questions,
Speaker 7: So bigfoot sasquatch swim's been caught swimming? Any chance that
Speaker 7: there's like a nearby island that they may have swam
Speaker 7: to that's like off the coast of the United States
Speaker 7: or anywhere else, Just like kind of island news or possibilities.
Speaker 2: Also, have you ever heard of the Alabama white Thing?
Speaker 3: Happy to be from Culoman, Alabama.
Speaker 7: It's kind of popular and certain spat especially with the
Speaker 7: elder generations.
Speaker 3: I'm just curious. I hope you'll have a fantastic day.
Speaker 8: And Matt Pruitt, you're awesome, by the way, y'all have
Speaker 8: a good night.
Speaker 2: All of the islands off of British Columbia and Alaska
Speaker 2: and all that, and like most of those will have
Speaker 2: a sasquatch on them at some point or another. The
Speaker 2: huge it sound for Yeah, San Juan Islands or wherever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are sasquatch reports on a lot of those little islands.
Speaker 2: And of course Robert Alley his excellent book Raincoast Sasquatch
Speaker 2: is a wonderful source for reports of sasquatches swimming. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they are absolutely on islands, and they didn't they weren't
Speaker 2: born there necessarily. I mean they could have been, but
Speaker 2: you know, sasquatches move around, so absolutely they are swimming
Speaker 2: around and they are getting on land and exploiting whatever
Speaker 2: resources might be on those islands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got Robert Ali lined up to come on
Speaker 3: next week, Oh do we Yeah, that's good to know. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they call him deadheads. They'd see him. They swim up
Speaker 3: to the Queens Shawotte what do they call it? How
Speaker 3: to g lie now? Queen Sharlotte Islands off Canada. I
Speaker 3: think it's a seventy mile or eighty mile open ocean swim.
Speaker 3: They've seen them out there. They call them deadheads. They
Speaker 3: thought they were bodies floating out there to see a
Speaker 3: head bob and then they would they pulled up to
Speaker 3: it in the boat that they would dive underwater and
Speaker 3: swim away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think deadheads is the term they use for trees
Speaker 2: or logs that are mostly submerged but you only see
Speaker 2: the top of them. Yeah, as they as they float. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the heads a sasquatch heads sticking out of
Speaker 2: the water would appear the same way, especially at night,
Speaker 2: of course. So yeah, now the second half of that
Speaker 2: question was the old white thing or something that I'm
Speaker 2: not familiar with the local terminologies and legends and stuff about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a friend of mine, a guy named Bill White,
Speaker 4: who wrote under the pen name Talbrenco, investigated a lot
Speaker 4: of those reports. You can find some of those, I
Speaker 4: think some of them are on the BFR's website and
Speaker 4: several are on Bigfit encounters dot com. And then he
Speaker 4: he was going to publish a series of books he'd
Speaker 4: done research for decades, and he only published one before
Speaker 4: the end of his life. But it's called the I
Speaker 4: think it's the Southern Bigfoot Files. What's going to be
Speaker 4: the name of the series. But the only one he
Speaker 4: published is the Alabama Book of a number of cases
Speaker 4: that he investigated, including some around that Coulmon area, And
Speaker 4: you know, there was a lighter colored individual that people saw,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, the local name was the Alabama White thang.
Speaker 4: Nice say that proper proof thing, the Alabama white Thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Being from Georgia, you're the only one who actually qualified
Speaker 2: to say it appropriately here.
Speaker 4: Well, Bubbo told me I'd turned my back on my
Speaker 4: people because I don't have a thick Southern accent.
Speaker 3: Come up some day.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a thick accent like that?
Speaker 3: No? Not really.
Speaker 4: You know what's really funny. I totally forgot to tell
Speaker 4: this on our Crypto Coon recap. But you know, I
Speaker 4: grew up very close to where Deliverance was filmed, and
Speaker 4: I would always when I lived around the country, people
Speaker 4: be like, what's in North Georgia And I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: there's two things, Deliverance and cabbage Patch And if you
Speaker 4: know either of those things, then you know where I'm from.
Speaker 4: And one of my best friend's mom, his mom was
Speaker 4: an elementary school teacher and taught the banjo kid from Deliverance,
Speaker 4: and he was at Cryptocoon with Cliff and I No way, Yes,
Speaker 4: he was there, oh way, So that was super cool.
Speaker 4: So I got to tell him like, wait, here's like,
Speaker 4: did you guys talk to him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I talked to him a bit and he just smiled
Speaker 4: and said, yeah a lot, And then I talked to
Speaker 4: him again as he was leaving. And as he was leaving,
Speaker 4: I kind of got the sense that he was hard
Speaker 4: of hearing and couldn't tell what I was saying. So
Speaker 4: then I realized, like, oh, he probably had no idea
Speaker 4: what I was saying in that vendor room, which is
Speaker 4: way busier and way louder, because I was starting to
Speaker 4: tell him like, hey, man, I grew up outside of Helen,
Speaker 4: like right next door to Clayton, where you're from. And
Speaker 4: I said, do you He was like yeah, And I
Speaker 4: was like, do you remember elementary school teacher Ms McConnell
Speaker 4: And he was like yeah. And I was like, well,
Speaker 4: that's my best friend's mom and he was like yeah.
Speaker 4: So in retrospect, I don't know if he caught anything
Speaker 4: that I was saying because it was pretty loud in there.
Speaker 4: But it was cool to meet him. And I saw
Speaker 4: a lot of folks getting like pictures and stuff signed
Speaker 4: and things like that, but instruments, no, but I saw
Speaker 4: a lot of that. You know, there's always musicians there,
Speaker 4: so they were coming up to him and playing there
Speaker 4: like banjos or fiddles and guitars and things like that.
Speaker 4: He seemed pretty amused by it. But that was a
Speaker 4: funny moment for sure.
Speaker 3: It was classic, dude, I've always wanted to meet that guy.
Speaker 4: I think this is pretty public knowledge because it was
Speaker 4: in a documentary. But he's, as far as I understand,
Speaker 4: he's still a greeter at the Walmart in Clayton, Georgia,
Speaker 4: which is in Raven County, which is where Deliverance was filmed.
Speaker 4: So finny pigeons find themselves visiting the Walmart for supplies
Speaker 4: in Squatchy, Raven County, Georgia, and in Clayton, Georgia. Go
Speaker 4: say hey to Billy.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be like seventy five at the least, I
Speaker 3: imagine he.
Speaker 4: Probably would you say, Cliffy, maybe his sixties.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know. Seventy five seems a little old
Speaker 2: for what I saw. You know, I didn't speak to him.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any conversations with him or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Just never ran across him, really, and I was tracked
Speaker 2: to my table a lot. But he didn't look that
Speaker 2: old to me.
Speaker 3: He's got to be at least seventy because I was
Speaker 3: filming what seventy three or something.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid I don't know that.
Speaker 4: Let me consult the Google. So, yeah, Billy was born
Speaker 4: in nineteen fifty six. And you're right, so that film
Speaker 4: was made in seventy two. Oh Okay, so he'll be
Speaker 4: seventy next year. When I was in high school, I
Speaker 4: knew u ned Baty's son. He went to the high
Speaker 4: school with the singer and the vocalist and the Horace
Speaker 4: Dlores my band at the time. We played parties and
Speaker 4: he'd be there and he was telling me that about
Speaker 4: once a week or so, somebody drives down the road
Speaker 4: at midnight yelling sooo week that really loud in front
Speaker 4: of their house.
Speaker 9: Looked like we got us a sow instead of a bore.
Speaker 9: Do you know where there against that sapling boy? Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 9: back to the Alabama white thing, still there's still a.
Speaker 3: White ones soon to this day, there's like people have
Speaker 3: seen two or three at a time down there, like
Speaker 3: it seems like a little gene pool of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a good que question, Michael, And thanks
Speaker 4: for the kind of words and supporting the podcast. Hopefully
Speaker 4: that answers the question. Go check out Talbrinco's book. It's
Speaker 4: on Amazon. I will link it in the show notes
Speaker 4: because it's the holiday season. And so here is the
Speaker 4: next voicemail.
Speaker 10: Bhi, Cliff, Bobo, Matt. It's Rob here from Leicester in
Speaker 10: the UK. I've got a message for Cliff. I've just
Speaker 10: watched a YouTube video by Evolution Soup with Carrie Mongel
Speaker 10: and she was talking about the recent Paranthropus boisee feet
Speaker 10: and handbones found in Kenya, and there's some analysis been
Speaker 10: done on the footbones that have been found that seem
Speaker 10: to indicate that this species had a transverse arch in
Speaker 10: their foot. So, because Cliff has put forward Paranthapus boisi
Speaker 10: is a possible progenitor for Sasquatch, I was wondering what
Speaker 10: Cliff thinks about the fact that this species appears to
Speaker 10: have a transverse arch, and yet the sasquatch doesn't discuss Guys,
Speaker 10: Thank you very much, love the show.
Speaker 3: Googoo.
Speaker 4: All extent apes have a transverse arch. I think I
Speaker 4: think he's sneaking of a longitudinal arch.
Speaker 2: There's two. Yeah, the transverse arch goes transversely from like
Speaker 2: across like left right across your foot basically, and the
Speaker 2: longitudinal arch is the one that goes front to back
Speaker 2: that most people picture when they see an arch in
Speaker 2: the foot, and an arch in the foot of course
Speaker 2: is very very helpful, you know, for supporting because arches
Speaker 2: are extraordinarily strong. That's why Romans built doorways and that
Speaker 2: bridges and stuff with arches underneath them because they're very
Speaker 2: very strong, so a little bit of an arch like
Speaker 2: that would be expected like that. Now, I have read
Speaker 2: the paper about Paranthepus feet, and they do. There are
Speaker 2: some comments in there, kind of caveats in there that
Speaker 2: that they're they're different in various ways, and and the
Speaker 2: gate would have been different, and then the structure of
Speaker 2: the foot seems to be a little bit different. I'd
Speaker 2: have to go back and find the exact language, but
Speaker 2: it seemed to me that there is some room in
Speaker 2: that interpretation that might indicate a much flatter foot, so
Speaker 2: to speak. But a transverse arch is a different structure
Speaker 2: in the foot, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised of it,
Speaker 2: you know. Now, of course, I'm not a foot expert
Speaker 2: in any sort of way. I'm a big foot nerd
Speaker 2: and a student of the subject, so I have a
Speaker 2: lot of learning to do. And just just to kind
Speaker 2: of emphasize that point that I have a lot of
Speaker 2: learning to do, I am studying the foot more closely
Speaker 2: than I ever have before, especially after inheriting doctor Meldrum's materials,
Speaker 2: and literally last night I opened a box that I
Speaker 2: bought for the museum that has an articulated human foot
Speaker 2: connected to the leg bones, so I can study how
Speaker 2: these things are pieced together. You know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: literally last night I was looking at that transverse arch
Speaker 2: and what that means and how that translates into the
Speaker 2: bone structure, as well as the longitude in the large
Speaker 2: and of course this thing's articulated, and I think I
Speaker 2: might play with it a little bit to see if
Speaker 2: I can maybe articulate it differently. So what I what
Speaker 2: I want to do with this articulated foot skeleton is
Speaker 2: see how the bones interact without the arch. So I
Speaker 2: think I need to might maybe take it apart and
Speaker 2: and fuss with it a bit. I also hope and
Speaker 2: maybe you know, maybe somebody out there is amazing at
Speaker 2: three D art and all that sort of stuff and
Speaker 2: three D printing. What I'd like to do eventually is
Speaker 2: there's been some efforts by some people, and this is
Speaker 2: not exactly to your question here, and I apologize about that,
Speaker 2: but I have this idea where maybe we can do
Speaker 2: three D scans of the bones of the foot and
Speaker 2: then on the computer change them, because you can't just
Speaker 2: use you can't just blow those up to a sasquatch
Speaker 2: size because they're proportionally different and thicker and all this
Speaker 2: other stuff, and the lengths are different. But if we
Speaker 2: can use one of doctor Meldrum's inferred morphology diagrams of
Speaker 2: the foot skeleton and then scan the human skeleton of
Speaker 2: the foot and then on the computer, you know, just
Speaker 2: basically change it. And you know, because I do this
Speaker 2: all the time with photographs and things, you accidentally change
Speaker 2: the aspect ratio, you know, where it doesn't look this
Speaker 2: like the faces become squished, either vertically or horizontal. I
Speaker 2: think that you can we can probably do that in
Speaker 2: three dimensions and then take a human scan and then
Speaker 2: make it squatter and thicker and whatever else on a computer,
Speaker 2: and then print those things up and then have a
Speaker 2: three D scan of all the foot skeleton bones you
Speaker 2: know that the approximate appropriate size, and then rearticulate that
Speaker 2: into a sasquatch foot structure. That's kind of this long
Speaker 2: term you know, pine the sky. That would be cool
Speaker 2: if I could do that project for the museum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a transverse arch is different than the longitudinal arch. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a bit surprised but I also wouldn't be
Speaker 2: a bit surprised if it's a lot lower than in humans.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: And so this is the final voicemail of this round
Speaker 4: and an often asked question, an often addressed question, but
Speaker 4: a perennial one nonetheless.
Speaker 8: Hi, guys, this is Joe from Hershey, Pennsylvania. Listen to
Speaker 8: the podcast regularly. Hey have a question for you, guys.
Speaker 8: Why do you think the federal government downplays the existence
Speaker 8: of bigfoot and tries to deny its existence. But on
Speaker 8: the other hand, official documents from the government, for like
Speaker 8: army manuals say don't be surprised if you run into
Speaker 8: these things in the woods in certain areas, and like
Speaker 8: park rangers are told to deny, you know, any or
Speaker 8: downplay any appearances of bigfoot and state parks and such.
Speaker 8: Wondering if do you think it's so that they don't
Speaker 8: encourage poachers to go after them, or is it that
Speaker 8: they want to protect the logging industry, because if they
Speaker 8: acknowledge bigfoot, then it's an endangered species and loggers can't
Speaker 8: log anymore or be interested to know what your opinion is.
Speaker 8: Thanks a lot by.
Speaker 3: All the above, and then some Yeah, they they're worried
Speaker 3: about rural property prices going down, like you know, like
Speaker 3: you know what mom, monster kids going out with monsters.
Speaker 3: You know that about twenty acres forty acres or whatever.
Speaker 3: You now, if you can see that getting hurt. And
Speaker 3: the camping industry, fishing, hiking, tourism, they have big impacts
Speaker 3: all the way around. I think. I mean, they're some
Speaker 3: places would get you know, there'd be people flooding it
Speaker 3: to go see big fish. So I'm sure that you
Speaker 3: think more of a structured kind of thing, or most
Speaker 3: peo would want to most peopoul want to avoid them,
Speaker 3: you know, they would want to camp and have one
Speaker 3: to show up at their camp or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I questioned the assumption that the government is telling them
Speaker 2: to downplay things. I question that assumption. I don't think
Speaker 2: they care. I think that individually, people who work in
Speaker 2: the government at various levels may or may not think
Speaker 2: sasquatches are real. But I don't think there's any I
Speaker 2: certainly I'm confident. Actually there's no mandate from top to
Speaker 2: bottom to say that this is what you need to
Speaker 2: do for bigfoot stuff. And I know that because I've
Speaker 2: had the Forest Service here in Oregon report citing reports
Speaker 2: to me to follow up on because they don't care.
Speaker 2: Not two months ago, I was in the Forest Service
Speaker 2: office applying for a permit so I can harvest tree
Speaker 2: breaks and display them in my museum. I'm still waiting
Speaker 2: because the government shutdown kind of screwed that over a
Speaker 2: little bit, forcing me to be more patient than I
Speaker 2: wanted to be. But anyway, when I was there, I
Speaker 2: was talking to the people at the Forest Service office,
Speaker 2: and just I was talking about bigfoot to them, and
Speaker 2: like literally I showed him a picture on my phone
Speaker 2: and he says, oh yeah, so and so in the
Speaker 2: office he has that. He knows a guy who got
Speaker 2: it said, oh yeah, that's cool. We talked about that
Speaker 2: picture up by Ripplebrook for a while, you know, so, well,
Speaker 2: these are pretty interesting things, and these tree breaks, I've
Speaker 2: been finding sasquatch footprints next to them and stuff. And
Speaker 2: literally the woman at the office is, you know, to
Speaker 2: convince us we're believers, we know, and they're they're approving
Speaker 2: my permit, you know. I mean, I haven't got word
Speaker 2: of it yet, but like there's no reason for them
Speaker 2: to deny it. I don't expect them to deny it.
Speaker 2: I got permit through the National Forest to run expeditions,
Speaker 2: you know, many many years in a row, like three
Speaker 2: years in a row or something like that. There is
Speaker 2: I'm confident there is no mandate from top to bottom
Speaker 2: to deny Sasquatches. I think there are individuals in the
Speaker 2: Forest Service or government structure somewhere who think they're real,
Speaker 2: and other individuals who don't. Looking at specific cases like
Speaker 2: the Army Corps of Engineer manual that you mentioned, I
Speaker 2: forgot why that guy included Sasquatch, but I think it
Speaker 2: was a little tongue in cheek. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool that they included it. As
Speaker 2: far as things like they say the Blue Mountain stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm neck deep in the Blue Mountain stuff
Speaker 2: right now. With the Paul Freeman deal. When tracks were
Speaker 2: discovered inside of Mill Creek Watershed at two or three
Speaker 2: different locations, they called Joel Harden up the track or
Speaker 2: to come out, and Joel says this in his book
Speaker 2: that he was asked to come out to show that
Speaker 2: these are fakes, and he did. He went out there,
Speaker 2: and he made a whole reason, a whole list of
Speaker 2: reasons why they're not real, and the Forest Service people didn't.
Speaker 2: They agree that, yeah, these aren't real because of these reasons.
Speaker 2: And okay, yeah, if you're tracking humans, that makes perfect
Speaker 2: sense that these things that these reasons are good enough
Speaker 2: to say that they're not human prints. But sasquatches aren't humans.
Speaker 2: And most of the reasons that he listed are the
Speaker 2: things that we expect from a sasquatch trackway, which is interesting,
Speaker 2: you know. And Joel's great tracker, I mean, Matt Prout
Speaker 2: took lessons. I took a class from him, like he's
Speaker 2: a great, great human tracker, of course, But they're not humans,
Speaker 2: and their feet are not human feet. They don't work
Speaker 2: in the same way. But I think in that case
Speaker 2: they needed they didn't they didn't want the attention. And
Speaker 2: again Joel wrote this in his book. Mister Harden wrote
Speaker 2: this in his book that I guess they got media
Speaker 2: attention like the Big Three. I guess at the time, CBS, NBC,
Speaker 2: and ABC they were applying for permits to come in
Speaker 2: and film inside the watershed. Now, this watershed is the
Speaker 2: source of water for Walla Walla. We have another watershed
Speaker 2: I talk about all the time called Bull Run Watershed
Speaker 2: outside of Portland, and those watersheds supply the water source
Speaker 2: for the entire city, and so no one's allowed in
Speaker 2: there because they don't want anybody polluting the water. You know,
Speaker 2: it's for national security or national insecurity reasons, either one
Speaker 2: same thing. And they don't want people inside these areas,
Speaker 2: and also for wildlife reasons and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But they don't want people in these off limits areas.
Speaker 2: And to broadcast widely that really cool footprints but from
Speaker 2: sasquatches were found, it's going to bring LOOKI loose, it's
Speaker 2: going to bring tourists. It's going to bring people sneaking
Speaker 2: into the watershed. And these are highly protected areas for
Speaker 2: a variety of reasons. So I think in specific cases
Speaker 2: you can look at it like that. But I strongly
Speaker 2: question this idea that the government is hiding this stuff
Speaker 2: from you. I just don't see the evidence for it,
Speaker 2: and I don't see the results of that mandate. And
Speaker 2: I literally talk to Forest Service people pretty frequently that
Speaker 2: either tell me there's stories about seeing or hearing something
Speaker 2: or oh like at the Forest Service office age always Yeah,
Speaker 2: we believe you know or so and so you know
Speaker 2: has this picture, and I hear that stuff a fair amount.
Speaker 4: So I just don't think that that is true. So
Speaker 4: whatever that's worth, agreed. Well, this we'll move on to
Speaker 4: the written questions here. In this written question we've gotten
Speaker 4: a few along these lines. This is probably just one
Speaker 4: of several of the examples that's being referenced here, but
Speaker 4: I will toss this one to you for discussion.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if Bobo has his bifocals on, he canna
Speaker 2: read this one for us. Did we lose Bobo?
Speaker 4: He's muted.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's muted. Okay, so you want to just read it.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go ahead and read it. Yeah. This
Speaker 2: question is from Chris Olin. I am listening to Octagon
Speaker 2: Immortal speaking about spirals in the dirt around Bobo's footprint
Speaker 2: and why finding Bigfoot really got shut down? Is this real?
Speaker 2: When in the world is Octagon Immortal?
Speaker 4: It's probably one of like many YouTube channels that shared
Speaker 4: You remember a few weeks ago, there were these AI
Speaker 4: generated clips that went around that was like Cliff Berrickman
Speaker 4: finally tells the truth about why finding Bigfoot ind Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was email to me a couple of times, and
Speaker 4: I go, dude, it's on the internet.
Speaker 2: Don't believe it.
Speaker 4: And there's a bunch of variations of these videos where
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you guys got too close to
Speaker 4: the truth, or you stumbled into an area that you
Speaker 4: weren't allowed to be in and that the government intervened,
Speaker 4: and that Finding Bigfoot got footage that it wasn't allowed
Speaker 4: to release. And you know, there's multiple variations of this
Speaker 4: theme of this idea that Finding Bigfoot got too close
Speaker 4: to the truth and was shut down and it became
Speaker 4: like not quite viral, but there was a bunch of
Speaker 4: them that just popped up out of nowhere for like
Speaker 4: a week or two.
Speaker 2: Well geez, yeah, I only caught that one, of course,
Speaker 2: because I don't pay attention to that stuff. But it's ridiculous, man,
Speaker 2: And Bobo's still muted. I love his point on this
Speaker 2: because I don't know what he's talking about as far
Speaker 2: as spirals and the dirt and stuff. But the reason
Speaker 2: Finding I'll tell you now, the reason Finding Bigfoot got
Speaker 2: shut down is that in the what nine years that
Speaker 2: we're filming, and we start filming the pilot in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: We kind of the show went down in twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: or eighteen or eighteen, I think it was sisp nine years.
Speaker 2: You know, during that nine year period, cable television lost
Speaker 2: about sixty five percent of their viewership to streaming at
Speaker 2: the bottom line, you know, that's it. And sixty five
Speaker 2: percent of the viewership means sixty five percent of the
Speaker 2: ad revenue. And we were an expensive show, you know,
Speaker 2: like we've been on a long time, so people were
Speaker 2: earning money at that time. There were sixteen of us
Speaker 2: oftentimes on the road together. That's cast and crew, and
Speaker 2: that's a very very expensive show. And at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, they're saying, why are we throwing this
Speaker 2: money at this show when we could just make another
Speaker 2: show and then pay them less and have a smaller
Speaker 2: crew and do blah blah blah blah blah. And that's
Speaker 2: what they did, essentially, So we got canceled, and which
Speaker 2: is fine, you know that I think the show had
Speaker 2: run its course anyway, and they went off to do
Speaker 2: other things, I guess, you know, Discovery Networks on all
Speaker 2: their affiliates and whatever else. That's why we got canceled,
Speaker 2: you know. And I remember during the show, they were saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I bet if you film one, then they're
Speaker 2: going to be you know, Discovery is going to be
Speaker 2: shut down by the government. They're not going to show.
Speaker 2: Said no, that's absolutely ridicul absolutely ridiculous. If we filmed
Speaker 2: when you would have seen it one hundred percent. We
Speaker 2: were trying really hard, and they wanted us to you know,
Speaker 2: and I know that because we used to hang out
Speaker 2: with like the CEO of Animal Planet, you know, you
Speaker 2: know those folks. I never did meet the actual boss
Speaker 2: of all Discovery Networks in general, but Marge Marjorie was Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was great. You know, I knew the president of
Speaker 2: Animal Planet. It was neat, Yeah, and she was rooting
Speaker 2: for us. Then Keith Hoffman and all those folks at
Speaker 2: the network. They wanted us to succeed desperately. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: all of these paranoid fantasies that are out there on
Speaker 2: the internet, you can safely ignore them. Honestly, you can
Speaker 2: safely ignore all that stuff. I just told you the
Speaker 2: real reason why we went off the air. Everything else
Speaker 2: is made up paranoid nonsense and in general, you know,
Speaker 2: all these fear mongering, paranoid frankly delusional conspiracy theories about
Speaker 2: finding Bigfoot and all these things and thoughts about Barrickman's
Speaker 2: a paid government misinformant or whoever. It's all paranoid nonsense
Speaker 2: to think that like, yeah, Moneymaker and I or whoever
Speaker 2: else or Bobo are are you know, government shills and
Speaker 2: stuff like. It's like, like us, we're kind of a mess.
Speaker 2: Like they wouldn't they wouldn't get us involved in that stuff.
Speaker 3: Man, No one would believe that.
Speaker 2: But no, that's just that people. People do believe that
Speaker 2: all that that we're all that. I know, it'sulous, Oh
Speaker 2: that we're a mass that's because they don't know us.
Speaker 2: That whole conspiratorial frame of thinking is not only damaging
Speaker 2: to the community, it's also damaging to you personally, your
Speaker 2: own psychological well being.
Speaker 4: I gotta find that specific Octagon Immortal clip because I'm
Speaker 4: I'm very curious to know what it says about spirals
Speaker 4: in the dirt around Bobo's footprints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does that mean? Like a vortex?
Speaker 4: Did you open up a vortex when you stepped in
Speaker 4: some in something?
Speaker 3: Bobo? It's not a great way.
Speaker 4: Couldn't have been, No, man, must have been. There must
Speaker 4: have been the nor Cow White thing.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of twenty minute ones about each of those, Like,
Speaker 3: were they the truth about Finding Bigfoot? It's like I
Speaker 3: thought it was supposed to be comedy, and then I
Speaker 3: guess it was supposed to be real.
Speaker 2: Well, people will believe anything, and they're more than happy
Speaker 2: to be scared, is what it comes down to. And
Speaker 2: that's a bottom line. All these conspiracy folks or whatever,
Speaker 2: they're trying to scare you because they're scared themselves, or
Speaker 2: more practically speaking, they're trying to get your clicks to
Speaker 2: earn revenue. Now, mind you, conspiracies do happen, because the
Speaker 2: definition of conspiracy is two people getting together to plan something. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: conspiracies happen. All we conspired to organize today's podcast. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, is Finding Bigfoot involved in a
Speaker 2: conspiracy colin? Absolutely, that's that's ridiculous. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: fun TV show and they accidentally hired real bigfooters and
Speaker 2: we cause them a lot of trouble because of that.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the bottom line pretty much, pretty much.
Speaker 2: I just summed up Finding Bigfoot. It was a fun
Speaker 2: TV show and they hired real bigfooters and they didn't
Speaker 2: think that we were going to care so much, and
Speaker 2: we forced them to do it for real. That's it. Yep,
Speaker 2: we can move on, I think, so stay tuned for
Speaker 2: more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Let me grab the next written question here. We can
Speaker 4: help out this lovely.
Speaker 3: Listener, see Vicky would When I was in third grade
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy eight, my dad took me to the
Speaker 3: local high school one night where they were showing a
Speaker 3: movie about Bigfoot. From that night, I've always believed they
Speaker 3: were real animals. My question is, do you have any
Speaker 3: idea what movie this could have done? It's been driving
Speaker 3: me crazy not knowing. I would like to see it again. Thanks.
Speaker 4: I think if it's not Boggy Creek, it has to
Speaker 4: be The Mysterious Monsters, although that was seventy five, but
Speaker 4: it could have still been.
Speaker 3: Think for the Manute, Bigfoot or Sasquatch, All of the Cowboys, Sasquatch,
Speaker 3: the Legend of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I bet it was that one. I think that came
Speaker 2: out in that same year, seventy seven, so yeah, pretty close.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the best. But if not Boggie,
Speaker 3: and a lot of those are online. I think.
Speaker 4: I know for certain the documentary The Mysterious Monsters is
Speaker 4: on YouTube, and I bet you the Sasquatch the Legend
Speaker 4: of Bigfoot is probably on YouTube or two B or
Speaker 4: one of those free channels. So go watch them all, VICKI,
Speaker 4: and see which one sparks a memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just checked that legend, the Sasquatch legend of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: It was this nineteen seventy six movie. So in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight that might have been enough time where they
Speaker 2: were like releasing reels of it to be shown and
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. You know, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It took local high school, so it wasn't a theater
Speaker 3: or anything, so I could have been anything that came
Speaker 3: out prior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And of course the Sasquatch. The Legend
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot was not a huge you know, you know,
Speaker 2: lions Gate Eyes release from huge theater, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like Jaws or something. Ron Olsen who still
Speaker 2: lives today in Oregon, he's kind of a small time
Speaker 2: producer and whatnot, and he was a guy behind all that.
Speaker 2: So it was a smaller level production and I can
Speaker 2: see how that might have been the film just because
Speaker 2: the timing works, the size of the production works, they
Speaker 2: probably would have released reels of it to be seen
Speaker 2: in smaller venues like that. Yeah, so then, of course
Speaker 2: Boggy Creek is also a reasonable choice as well, because
Speaker 2: that's just a few years before that. But I might
Speaker 2: get my money would be on one of those two.
Speaker 2: But I'm not a betting man, bobo is.
Speaker 3: I didn't bet when Barbers hadn't been on one game.
Speaker 2: Really I would have. I would have bet you did,
Speaker 2: and I would have lost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gaaling on football anymore. Too many God calls.
Speaker 4: He's an ascended being now I am.
Speaker 3: Well, like that Raider game the night or day the
Speaker 3: Raiders kicked that field goal instead of going for a touchdown,
Speaker 3: like a few seconds left, like just to cover the spread.
Speaker 3: That was totally like that was so suspect.
Speaker 2: Oh I heard it was football season, the big game, Cliff,
Speaker 2: the big football game. Yeah, no, bigfoots, don't lie to me.
Speaker 4: Let me grab the next Year's another finding bigfoot oriented
Speaker 4: question for you.
Speaker 2: Oh, this one comes from Lake and Arnold. I know
Speaker 2: that name. Do you guys keep in contact with past
Speaker 2: witnesses from the show. Has anything interesting happened with any
Speaker 2: of them? Yeah, some of them, some of them are.
Speaker 2: Just the other night I got, like two nights ago,
Speaker 2: I got a text from Robbie, the guy who saw
Speaker 2: one out here. He's one of my witnesses, saw one
Speaker 2: out here off the Sandy River. Yeah, so every once
Speaker 2: in a while I hear from folks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I talked to Brenda Harris a couple of
Speaker 3: nights ago.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. How's she doing. I haven't heard from
Speaker 2: her in a long time.
Speaker 3: She's going to get She has done with Phoenix, visiting
Speaker 3: family for the holidays, Thanksgiving, and she's heading back to Sinnesday.
Speaker 3: There's been a huge one about an hour northwest of
Speaker 3: her place in the Arizona side. As I would just
Speaker 3: seeing a giant male one like kind of grayish white,
Speaker 3: I guess, mm hmm. I still I can't in touch
Speaker 3: with like several several witnesses from the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Sometimes I get texts that I didn't
Speaker 2: enter a name for and I just get this random
Speaker 2: text and I have to go back through the other
Speaker 2: text to find out who is this? Who is I
Speaker 2: can't figure out who this is? And it turns out
Speaker 2: as a witness or something. I've just met Terry all
Speaker 2: the time. Hey, bro, yeah exactly. I haven't talked to
Speaker 2: you for a while, and I said, yeah, who are you?
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna I'm always so embarrassed about asking
Speaker 2: who you are? Who are you? Yeah, I feel terrible
Speaker 2: about it, but I just met too many people.
Speaker 3: Well I was ready. H initials are like John, you know,
Speaker 3: like John Hell's John.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I just put a description there, like, you know, like
Speaker 3: John from liquor store or something, or.
Speaker 4: I know you're walking the straight and narrow like me
Speaker 4: these days, bubblah. But I would imagine from your wild
Speaker 4: days that John from the liquor store does not narrow
Speaker 4: it down at all.
Speaker 3: Sure that all right?
Speaker 4: Here is the next question for you their bobes.
Speaker 3: Sean Sean hemm is these?
Speaker 4: I think it's Hermes. I think it's kind of hard
Speaker 4: to see that are with that tiny fog. I think
Speaker 4: it's hermiz or Hermes.
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing my glasses. You're right, it's Hermes. Love
Speaker 3: the show. Do thermal imagers pick up the heat signature
Speaker 3: from footprints? Has there ever been a thought of following
Speaker 3: the heat signature that a footprint possibly gives off to
Speaker 3: see where a potential bigfoot may walk off if it's
Speaker 3: spotted on camera thanks to the great work. Yeah, they do.
Speaker 3: It depends on how you do your thermalist, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they totally do. Yeah, we tried that tracked to other
Speaker 3: animals that way. I've never found big footprints who are
Speaker 3: fresh enough hot enough to really follow. And other times
Speaker 3: where they have walked, I've seen, like like with that
Speaker 3: one when I was with Tyler on Spooky Mountain down
Speaker 3: there whatever it was called, down in Alabama, where at
Speaker 3: Peed you can see where at Peed was all hot,
Speaker 3: but then where it walked it was just barely barely visible,
Speaker 3: like like a tiny dinnon was gone within like a
Speaker 3: minute or two. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of course thermal imagers see heat, so you have to
Speaker 2: be there pretty quick, otherwise the heat will dissipate into
Speaker 2: the environment.
Speaker 3: They're laying down or sitting somewhere for a while, then
Speaker 3: I'll say hot, hot for a while.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but it will eventually dissipate into the environment.
Speaker 2: So it's really dependent upon the environment and how wet
Speaker 2: it is and all that sort of stuff. I do
Speaker 2: know of one situation with a former podcast guest of ours,
Speaker 2: Michael from up on the Olympic Peninsula. He followed some
Speaker 2: tracks with his thermal imager immediately after somebody's observation. I
Speaker 2: can't remember if it was his wife's or his gardeners
Speaker 2: or whatever, but he followed some tracks into the woods
Speaker 2: with the thermal imager and he said that they were visible.
Speaker 2: But I have never had the opportunity to do such
Speaker 2: a thing, and I would love it, of course. So
Speaker 2: he just got to get there quick. Yeah, like within minutes,
Speaker 2: not like within an hour, but within minutes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: This next question here is from Christopher king Tero. I've
Speaker 2: always thought of Sasquatch as a quote unquote ap survivalist.
Speaker 2: What do you think it knows and understands about the
Speaker 2: environment that we humans don't. I'd like to hear your
Speaker 2: thoughts on this A lot, Yeah, a lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: they make their living there. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like saying, what do you know about the inside of
Speaker 2: your car that they wouldn't. You know, they have such
Speaker 2: a different experience with the environment because so much of
Speaker 2: their life has to be about foraging and finding food
Speaker 2: and whatnot. You know, where the delicious things are that
Speaker 2: they like to eat. You know, just from looking at
Speaker 2: foraging sites alone in the past couple of years. You know,
Speaker 2: they know that they can dig around in these seedars
Speaker 2: for whatever might be living in there, where there's termites
Speaker 2: or ants or grubs of some sort. I've seen lots
Speaker 2: of examples of overturned logs that are pulled off like
Speaker 2: big logs too, you know, two or three feet like
Speaker 2: water logged logged logs foot and a half two feet
Speaker 2: two and a half feet in diameter, just moved to
Speaker 2: the other side of the road. You know that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff with again sasquatch tracks associate with it. So
Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident it was them. I'm sure that they
Speaker 2: know about micro climates.
Speaker 3: I know that.
Speaker 2: And then when Nicos saw the one up at Easter
Speaker 2: Island back a few years ago, it was a very
Speaker 2: hot day and I think it was in August. I
Speaker 2: remember it was a very hot day, and Nico noted
Speaker 2: they just kind of chose a place randomly to get
Speaker 2: out into the woods after work one day, that no
Speaker 2: intentions of actually big footing, which is of course when
Speaker 2: you see these things when you accidentally run across them.
Speaker 2: He noted that the area that he was in was
Speaker 2: significantly cooler, like five ten degrees cooler than everywhere else.
Speaker 2: And I think that sasquatches are clued into how micro
Speaker 2: climates and air currents work that might give them afford
Speaker 2: them a little bit more comfort. I think that they're
Speaker 2: clued into things like water sources, I temporary water sources
Speaker 2: like up at Ape Canyon for example, the Ape Creek
Speaker 2: you know where it feeds off of Ape Glacier, you know,
Speaker 2: which makes the whole canyon there that that water isn't
Speaker 2: available all day. It's only in the afternoon when the
Speaker 2: glacier starts melting. That's when the water starts flowing. So
Speaker 2: in the morning you can't get water. You have to
Speaker 2: go there late enough that the glacier had an opportunity.
Speaker 2: I bet they're clued in to that sort of stuff too.
Speaker 3: And postally, their senses are so much stronger than ours,
Speaker 3: like their sense of smell, their sense of hearing, their
Speaker 3: vision is all superior to ours, and they're going to
Speaker 3: interact different that way too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they have a pretty decent three D map
Speaker 2: of their environment as well, where they know like the
Speaker 2: quickest way over this ridge or whatever down into the
Speaker 2: next valley and they I think they have all the
Speaker 2: old logging roads, probably pretty wired, because I'm finding a
Speaker 2: lot of tracks on logging roads, so I know that
Speaker 2: they use those things, like the ones that are abandoned
Speaker 2: are barely visible. You know they're using those sort of
Speaker 2: paths of least resistance. They got a five d cents, Cliff,
Speaker 2: what's the fifth dimension?
Speaker 3: I don't got time to explain it to you, but
Speaker 3: but I'll go.
Speaker 2: Study those spirals under your footprints to learn more about that.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what it is. It's it's it's the
Speaker 4: same reason that they hang around Bobo so often is
Speaker 4: that they can sense the microclimate where it's cooler, and
Speaker 4: they can also sense that Bobo is signifiquantly cooler than most.
Speaker 4: That's the fifth dimension, the coolness dimension.
Speaker 2: There you go, thank you something I'll understand, nerd nerd. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: who's wearing your glasses?
Speaker 3: I'm not wearingless so I couldn't read that guy's name.
Speaker 4: And so we'll pop this one in as the final
Speaker 4: written submission. Here we get a lot of questions along
Speaker 4: this line, but this is the latest iteration of such.
Speaker 3: Let's see George, eto have you guys ever, considered using
Speaker 3: AI to make pictures of a witnesses experiences. Witness Kadak
Speaker 3: chat gpt to make a picture based on what they saw,
Speaker 3: kind of like a mugshot. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 3: I know people are doing that. I haven't done that,
Speaker 3: but I know people are.
Speaker 2: Pete Travers was using digital art to create witness sketches
Speaker 2: and they were fantastic, just absolutely cool stuff. It's really neat,
Speaker 2: and then he'd work with the witnesses back and forth
Speaker 2: and whatnot. I'm not sure that AI is there yet, honestly,
Speaker 2: just because, as you know, they're scrubbing the internet for
Speaker 2: general things and using it for, you know, something to
Speaker 2: give you back, you know. So I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: not familiar enough with AI visual things at all.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I use AI to proof read my stuff to make
Speaker 2: sure there's no spelling errors, you know. That's as far
Speaker 2: as I've come our grammar errors, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But as far as the visual stuff, I'm not there.
Speaker 2: So I won't be doing that. But I guess if
Speaker 2: you're really really loved AI, that'd be a fun project
Speaker 2: to work on. Yeah, I know the AI is very
Speaker 2: very good at making realistic looking things, but I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how if it's advanced to the place where you
Speaker 2: can tweak it to say no, the nose was you know,
Speaker 2: a different shape or something like that, yet, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how great that would be, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll see where we get.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Well, we do have a bevy of questions from the
Speaker 4: beloved Pigeons to finalize the Q and as for the year.
Speaker 4: So if you guys are ready, we can head over
Speaker 4: in that direction that pigeons will get on Thursday.
Speaker 3: I think yeah, we're ready to go. Well for tuning
Speaker 3: in people, We appreciate it. Hope you had a great year.
Speaker 3: Hope you can see a squatch this next year coming
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