WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.400 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.160 are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it, 3 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:22.519 lip stuck, righteous one wish today and listening watching lim 4 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:24.879 always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:31.600 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay Bobo. 6 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:35.679 So Cliff, nothing well, all sorts of stuff as usual, 7 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:40.200 but nothing in particular, just the general modgepodge of bigfoot 8 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.600 stuff and people and events and all that other stuff. 9 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.240 But it didn't Bart come up and visit you recently 10 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:47.600 you do anything with him? Do you go to the woods? 11 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:51.880 Yeah, we got four nights in a rows. Nothing. We 12 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.200 didn't do anything up but it was it was awesome 13 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.000 and beautiful and had a good time. Was the moon 14 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:01.960 was waxing, so we had some moonlight, which isn't always 15 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.920 the best for having a squash action, but it was. 16 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.200 It was beautiful. It wasn't It was really cold one 17 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:09.959 at this and that we did the where we drive 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.599 up and down through the ball hills with Bart sits 19 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:14.200 in the beach chair in the back of his in 20 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:16.159 the bed of his truck and then I drive and 21 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.400 that guy can Swiss stand some cold macaus He's out 22 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:21.959 there in the wind for hours, just throwing up and 23 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.040 down the all the meadows and prairies and stuff. 24 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:27.879 That sounds terrifying. 25 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.640 Yeah, it sounds. That does. Sounds kind of scary. But 26 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:34.879 you know, you put thermal imager to Bart's eyes and 27 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:36.680 there's no place in the world he'd rather be. 28 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:39.159 I think, I think it's crazy glue to his eye. 29 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:42.040 Oh yeah, the guy's nuts. The guy's nuts. 30 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:42.920 I don't. 31 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.120 You've said it before, and I one hundred percent agree 32 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.480 with you that. Uh. I don't think anybody puts a 33 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.439 thermal to their eye more than Bart does. You know, 34 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:51.920 when he's out there like he might as well just 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:53.920 make glasses out of him and wearing the entire time. 36 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:55.879 He's always got him up to his face. And that's 37 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:57.519 how he's seen a couple of these things through thermal 38 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.200 imagers too, brief courses here and there, because if not 39 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.719 watching all the time, you're gonna miss something, and Bart 40 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:03.640 doesn't want to miss anything. 41 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.040 Yep, yeah, yeah, I keep it up. I keep it 42 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:08.719 to my eye a lot too, but not as much 43 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.599 as him. Now. I just got prescription glasses for the 44 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:13.919 first time in like ten years. 45 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.759 Nerd alert nice, so like glasses you have to wear 46 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:21.960 all the time now, like well he said, he. 47 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.159 Goes, hey, you can wear these all the time, and 48 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:27.159 they're like bifocals. But by long distance eyesight's pretty good 49 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.280 and the reading part is hitting this. But I have 50 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:33.919 the by figles really mess me up, Like they're kind 51 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.719 of like fishity like where they come together and just 52 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:38.520 like they just kind of make me feel like a 53 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.960 little dizzy or something like that, like well like just 54 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:43.599 like funhouse mirrors or something, you know, kind of like 55 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:44.680 to a small. 56 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.719 Degree, Yeah, dizzier than usual though. 57 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.840 Yeah, I know this came up on your recent appearance 58 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.599 on Charlie Raymond's YouTube channel, which I'll post the link 59 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.400 in the comments, but I know people will want to 60 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.159 know since we talked on two episodes now about you 61 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.439 doing the document with the guy living his life by 62 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.759 the roll of the dice, So our listeners might not 63 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:04.840 have the update. 64 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:05.080 On that yet. 65 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.159 Oh yeah, that's supposed to be this past week or something, 66 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:07.520 wasn't it. 67 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:12.400 Yeah, apparently my voice tex weren't going through and we 68 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.280 had like I guess, like a scheduling this hap. I 69 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:17.919 didn't hear back from him because he thought he thought 70 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.680 I never was contacting him, So he wasn't contacting me, 71 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.800 but we had the data set. So on that day 72 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.000 I was ready and then he wasn't. They were like 73 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.960 shooting something else. And I think I think he well 74 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.680 because it was rolling dice and they had it where 75 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.439 I was going to be two of the six options 76 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.599 to go to. It's like one I had a third chance, 77 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.479 and I guess he didn't roll mine. 78 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.000 See, this guy doesn't know what he's getting into. And 79 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.800 I'm sure he's a great guy, and I'm sure he's 80 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.080 a badass in his own sort of way, but he 81 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:49.960 doesn't know what he's up against. Like, oh, I'm going 82 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.199 to live my life by chance. Well, yeah, we'll come 83 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.560 meet the Master, meet Boba. You know he's got no 84 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.960 no hope because your life, you know, like he Okay, 85 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:00.599 so you get one and two you want to die 86 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.599 roll of a d six, Dude, that's nothing compared to 87 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.800 the chaos in your life. He came up against the 88 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:08.400 Master and he lost. That's what it came down to. 89 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.520 Well, I think he just rolled the other the other things. 90 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.719 Maybe he did, maybe he did, but again, like what 91 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.279 did you roll? Okay, Well, you're sending voice texts. They 92 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.959 don't come through things happened. I don't know, like whatever 93 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:22.600 I mean, it could be anything with you, you know, 94 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.800 like a parachuter could crash through your roof or something 95 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.959 and get hit by a meteorite in your car. There 96 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:35.839 chances your constant companion through the oh Man. Well, I 97 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:37.920 had a pretty good weekend myself. I mean, we had 98 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.680 an event at the NABC. I invited the pigeons out 99 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.360 to it, of course, and all the NABC members. Michael 100 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.399 Freeman came out and did a special presentation just on 101 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.560 the nineteen ninety one Mill Creek Trackway, which is fantastic 102 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.160 that you know, that one trackway. I believe it's the 103 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:58.399 longest trackway ever recorded. And to think that Paul Freeman 104 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:03.480 faked it is absolutely astonishingly dumb. You know, I don't 105 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.720 I don't see there's any other there's probably more gentle 106 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:09.240 words to describe it, but the sentiment will be there. 107 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:13.120 It's just absolutely ridiculous to think that Paul Freeman would 108 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.600 could fake that. You know, we had a nice reminder. 109 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.160 Of course, Michael's an expert in his dad's stuff. You know, 110 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.360 he knows a lot of the situations that contexts the 111 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.000 people and Michael was there. He saw those tracks in 112 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.160 the ground. In fact, he cast a print with his dad. 113 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.600 That was the first print that his dad allowed him 114 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.439 to cast. He had seen others previously, but he was 115 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:38.759 never allowed to actually pour the plaster and until that day. 116 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.319 So he was actually there at the scene. But you know, 117 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.199 digging up those Greg May documents that I posted for 118 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.439 the pigeons as well as members, I hope he saw those. 119 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.240 I mean six to eight miles up into the mountains. 120 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.319 I always heard five. But that's that's even more impression. 121 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.680 I mean, because that's that's so much terrain. I mean, 122 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.240 we went and saw part of the trackway was some 123 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.120 rough train to track me for that many miles. 124 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.720 Yeah, and then Greg May, a survival expert, an outdoor 125 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.160 dude who taught at Washington State University at Pullman with Krantz, 126 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.560 he told me I tracked him down. It took a 127 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.759 long time, but I had a conversation with him this 128 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.000 year brilliant the spring or something, and he told me 129 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.399 that he turned around because the conditions were getting too bad. 130 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.079 The snow and the weather and whatnot made it unsafe, 131 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.480 so he turned around. And now so it went further 132 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.519 than the you know, six to eight miles that he tracted. 133 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.480 He just had to leave. Man. Remember, Paul Freeman at 134 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.680 that point had a bad foot from a botched surgery. 135 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.240 And you can see him in the photographs at the scene. 136 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.079 He's walking with a cane. He couldn't go more than 137 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.920 like thirty yards or something from his truck. But yet 138 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:54.639 Paul faked them. No, that's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah, 139 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.279 I mean, and to think that a hoaxer would go 140 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.240 through that level of effort. And it's not like, you know, 141 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.240 you could use stompers for those because the tracks are all, 142 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.319 you know, different than one another, not only in foot 143 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.879 flexation but is but also in toe position and all 144 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.759 this stuff. It's just boggles the mind that these people 145 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.040 are like desperately holding onto this idea that Freeman hoaxed 146 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:21.519 everything he found. You know that that's a's a sad 147 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.240 state of belief, I think, you know, and they call us, 148 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.160 you know, the hopeless romantics or whatever they call us 149 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.279 for thinking sasquatches are real, but they're clinging onto these 150 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.160 weak arguments. I don't know, it's just so odd, Like 151 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.680 once you start I wonder how much the diehard skeptics 152 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.399 have really looked at not only the evidence itself, but 153 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.240 also the context of the Freeman evidence. My bet would 154 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.199 be probably almost not at all, is my guess. I 155 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.600 know that no one's you know, no one's reached out 156 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.040 to me to see me the Freeman evidence. No one, 157 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.439 I don't think really people have reached out to Jeff 158 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.879 to ask about it, but they're more than willing to blast, 159 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:04.360 you know, detrimental comments on Facebook or whatever about Paul Freeman. 160 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.199 But no one's willing to look at the evidence. It's ridiculous. 161 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.480 And I mean, how many of those qualified to know 162 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:11.319 what they're looking at? 163 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:12.279 Yeah? 164 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.680 Yeah, and you don't have to be academically qualified. I 165 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:16.759 don't think it sure helps, of course, you know, but 166 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.240 I'd love it whatever, yeah, tracker or something, or say, 167 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.079 if you have a decent body of footprint casts, you know, 168 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.560 like you have a good cast collection, you know, like 169 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.800 you I think that qualifies you to some degree to 170 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.399 come check it out. But if you have like five 171 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:32.200 or six casts, well that's not very many, is. 172 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:36.039 It, you know? Yeah, I've seen Hunters your cast. Yeah, 173 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:38.480 and then having you and Jeff points about while I'm 174 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.120 looking at them, I'm not just looking at him like 175 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.600 totally uninformed. You guys, you know you didn't just to 176 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.240 point out interesting aspects something to me that I've learned from, 177 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.320 for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 178 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.799 And of course after the event, you know, Mark Marcel 179 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.320 was there, you know, the of Ape Canyon fame, Shane 180 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.320 Corson and Chris and Rebecca Spencer were there. They came 181 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.039 back to the house and hung out a little bit, 182 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.759 and I got to show them some of them Eldrum collection, 183 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.879 and you can imagine Mark Marcel's excitement with the files 184 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:05.960 and all that sort of stuff. So it was a good, 185 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.000 good weekend, good weekend, although you know, I went to 186 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.559 bed at three and then you know, Shane and Mark 187 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:14.440 stayed up to almost five talking, So it was an 188 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.279 exhausting weekend. I'm it was so fun, but I'm so 189 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.320 glad it's over and I can get back to my normal, quiet, 190 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.799 introverted life of being alone with my wife. 191 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:26.279 Tis the season? 192 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.840 Tis the season? Yeah, sure is. 193 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:31.600 And speaking of which, this is the final Q and 194 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.320 A of twenty twenty five. It's been a lot of 195 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.120 great questions submitted all year long, but I think this 196 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.360 one is particularly good. There's a good wide range of 197 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:40.879 questions here, and we got quite a few voicemails from 198 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.000 our lovely listeners. So if you guys are ready, we 199 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.679 can dive into those they are lovely. Let us begin 200 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.120 with this stunningly named individual. 201 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.879 Hi guys, this is Matt from Cleveland, Ohio. So my 202 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:56.240 question goes to Bobo. 203 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:57.120 Bobo. 204 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.960 I was watching an episode of Finding big Foot from 205 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.879 season one where you guys went to Prince of Wales Island, Alaska, 206 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.759 and you were speaking to a woman who had seen 207 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.639 a sasquatch up in a tree. You mentioned that you 208 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:12.759 had heard of adult male sasquatches being up in trees. 209 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.360 So I'm wondering, how would an adult sasquatch be able 210 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:20.000 to climb a tree if it's so tall and so heavy. Anyways, 211 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.440 keep a squash, You guys love the podcasts. 212 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.519 I mean those big trees, I mean they I mean 213 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:27.200 what that one they saw in an area some I 214 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:28.639 think it was unimproved. The one that thought of the 215 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:29.799 tree like eight foot or something. 216 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.120 I don't know if they had a good size estimate. 217 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.200 It's pretty large, but I mean it was a big tree. 218 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.120 It was a huge tree, and I think the thought 219 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.320 was that it must have just basically like climbed the 220 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.039 trunk centrally and just grasping on or standing on branches 221 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.919 as they connected to the trunk. And then what they 222 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.919 saw was the top of the tree swinging wildly back 223 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:52.159 and forth while all the other trees were stationary. And 224 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.960 then the whole crown of that tree snapped off and 225 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.399 fell to the ground. They saw this big, giant gray 226 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.320 thing come out of it, essentially, and then when the 227 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.639 crown crashed to the ground, they heard it run off. 228 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.759 They could hear the footfalls. But yeah, I mean the 229 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.960 sidings of gray ones down there tended to be in 230 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:12.200 you know, seven foot plus feet tall, so presumably if 231 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.320 that's some indicator of age, then yeah, it would be 232 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.759 a big one. But again it was a very big tree. 233 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.360 Well, those big hard ones they have no I mean, 234 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.840 even a fifteen hundred pounds sasquash wouldn't be anything in 235 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.960 a big tree like a big hardway. I mean climb 236 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.879 up little pines and stuff like. I mean, those practices 237 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.440 aren't you you know, supported, but you can get like 238 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.720 an oak trees and stuff like that. They have no 239 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:34.399 problem holding a huge animal. 240 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.679 You know, and bears are very adept climbers. I mean 241 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.519 they're not as heavy, but they still are great climbers. 242 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.039 I remember, even small branches close to the trunk itself 243 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:45.240 will hold a lot more weight thanenough to the end 244 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:45.600 as well. 245 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.840 Oh yeah, basic physics, my boy. 246 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.240 Yeah, I don't have any problems with sasquatches being in 247 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.879 trees at all. I mean, they're basically built for their shoulders, 248 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.320 their arms are real long. Yeah, yeah, they're they're climbers. 249 00:11:57.639 --> 00:11:59.879 They're definitely climbers. I mean then also not just trees. 250 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.840 Remember that Bob Tipmas had a sighting I don't know when. 251 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.159 I don't think his stuff is super well documented. There 252 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:10.279 probably are obscure notes buried somewhere in some collection. Bob 253 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.720 Tipmos had a sighting of a couple of them, like 254 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:14.600 maybe two or three or four of them or something, 255 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:17.360 climbing a cliff. He saw them at a great, great 256 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.639 distance and they were just zipping up, like zipping up 257 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:23.240 this cliff. So trees rocks whatever. Man, they're apes at 258 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:24.960 the end of the day. Just like us, we can 259 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.799 climb pretty well, and they can probably climb much much better. 260 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.600 It's like Sarah's story, you know, the terrifying night in 261 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.480 the Marble Mountains where she was basically on a cliff 262 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.799 face that was almost like a small escarpment, and she 263 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.320 thought as she was hearing it in the valley down below, like, 264 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:40.320 oh well, even if it gets to the base of 265 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.919 the cliff, there's no way it can get up to me. 266 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.080 And then it scaled that thing. And yeah, there's many 267 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.919 sidings of them, like scaling rock faces, or climbing trees, 268 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.679 or climbing up on structures and things and apes. Climb, 269 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:52.559 that's what they do, you know. 270 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.679 Yeah, I talked to this one guy. He worked in 271 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.080 the wood where I worked in the woods up the 272 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.360 cloud Up Tour or crik Up just also the tile 273 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.720 of clouds. It's just real close out, several miles out. 274 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:05.360 You got to go kind of far out there, but anyways, 275 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:07.039 it's right there, coming in by the one O one 276 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.519 when it comes into the river. He saw one go 277 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.600 like a seventy foot cliff face, like in like dirt. 278 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.559 It wasn't like you know, stone, it was just dirt. 279 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.360 But it flew up, he said, it just flew up 280 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:18.639 it Like he said, you would have thought it was 281 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.039 like on wires because it was sticking its hands, just 282 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.720 making his hands like totally flat, like fingers straight out. 283 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.399 It just would jabbed in the face of the of 284 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.399 the dirt cliff face and throw itself up like that. 285 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.279 It would stick its feet in where I already stuck 286 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.679 its hand in, like punch his hand in. He use 287 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.120 that for like a toe grip. As it went up 288 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:39.279 and like he said, it just flew up. He said, 289 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.120 it was like it looked like magic. Like you couldn't 290 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.679 believe it if you didn't see yourself. Said, it was 291 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.120 just amazing how fast he said, it look like it 292 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.559 flew up the cliff practically. 293 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:48.960 You know, a lot of the handprints that I find 294 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.399 on these dirt slopes, these real steep dirt slopes that 295 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.559 are not ninety degrees but like legit sixty degrees or more, 296 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:01.600 the fingers are very often poked seemingly directly into the substrate, 297 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.120 you know, whereas I might like claw my way up 298 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:06.240 or whatever. A lot of times these things are, you know, 299 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:07.519 and of course it might be a function of how 300 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.440 they're scraping up to it. They might be doing the 301 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:11.320 same thing as meat as clawing, and their fingers are 302 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:13.159 you know, lungs that they go in pretty deep, but 303 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:17.600 they're pretty well pressed, I guess horizontally almost into the 304 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:18.840 substrate in a lot of cases. 305 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.919 Yeah, I've talked to two Bio said they saw him 306 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.480 do that, like where they they just stick their hand 307 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.440 like just punch their hand like he's out as like 308 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:28.000 you know, a hold the same as if there was 309 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.639 like a protruding protruding rock sticking out you can grab ontire. 310 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.879 They said, they pulled themselves out the same way, just 311 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:34.240 jamming their hands into the dirt. 312 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.360 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 313 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:47.399 Will be right back after these messages. 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Well, how many times have 346 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.960 you heard reports where they go up a slope very 347 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.159 quickly and they seem to be like grabbing trees to 348 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:41.840 pull themselves up while their legs are propelling them up. 349 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.159 Their upper limbs, you know, their fore limbs are grabbing 350 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.840 trees to pull themselves up to achieve a lot of speed. 351 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.720 And that's really not that different from just climbing a 352 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.080 face or a tree itself. You know, that's still climbing. 353 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.159 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's pretty much all the reports. 354 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:56.600 When I go up with really steep grid, so they 355 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:01.360 grab on a vegetation, I know I do. Yeah, anything 356 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:05.160 with hands would, I'd imagine, or yeah, front claws whatever. 357 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.000 Oh yeah, hands are way better for that sort of thing. Yeah. 358 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.079 I think a good lesson for any bigfooter is to 359 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.440 try to put themselves in the same situation as a 360 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.599 sasquatch to see what you do as a habitual biped 361 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.720 while going up similar to substrate. Just a few few 362 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.200 months ago, I was out at the Outer Rim and 363 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.039 I found the Java his footprint, you know, the seventeen 364 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:29.319 inch print that we nicknamed the animal Jaba out there, 365 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.200 and it went up a little embankment on the side 366 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:33.480 of an old logging road. 367 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:33.759 You know. 368 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.400 Thee bankment's probably six eight feet, you know, And I 369 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.079 started climbing up into the woods or whatever, but you 370 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:43.720 know it, there was a footprint on the diagonal substrate, 371 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.039 I guess. And when I went up it, I put 372 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.039 my hand down to the left and I stopped because 373 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.759 ahead of me was something else. And I looked at 374 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.160 it and I recognized that, oh my god, that is 375 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.880 a handprint. And when I kind of looked at my 376 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:58.839 own situation, I was literally putting my hand on the 377 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.839 ground at that same moment, in the same sort of way, 378 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.200 going the same direction up the same embankment. It's like, 379 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.599 study yourself, study how you move in the woods, and 380 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.759 then you'll see how they kind of do too, although 381 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:13.519 just realize they're way better at it, and their arms 382 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:15.440 are different in their hands and feet are different stuff, 383 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.839 but we kind of do the same thing. So I think, 384 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.000 to get back to the tree question, think about how 385 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.880 you may climb a tree, and especially like as a 386 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.039 young kid or whatever, when you probably did that thing 387 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.480 more often, how did you do it, and just amplify that, 388 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.240 you know, exponentially, and that's probably how they do it 389 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:33.839 as well. 390 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.720 Yeah, I saw clown trees, do you Yeah. 391 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:39.759 Why is it that I was always up in the 392 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.160 trees then and finding Bigfoot because. 393 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:46.279 They were looking at it little ones. Okay, that's a 394 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.400 great workout. 395 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.319 Totally is Yeah, because there's consequences for not doing it 396 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:54.680 well gravity. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I so much 397 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.279 more afraid of heights now than I was during finding Bigfoot. 398 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:00.480 I'm way more afraid of hutch now. Yeah. 399 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.359 I have a tough time getting close to the edge 400 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.160 of the roof and whatnot. You know, cleaning the gutters 401 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:05.880