Speaker 1: It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to
the Game Mess Decides Podcast. This is the podcast where
we decide everything about the world of video games, so
you never have to think for yourself. I'm your host
Jeff Grubb, and with me.
Speaker 2: Is Mike Manati.
Speaker 1: In today's episode, PS five pro coming soon according to rumors,
and people are fighting about Wukong being a PlayStation exclusive
or not. I don't know, kind of don't care, but
we're gonna talk about it anyhow. What first, Mike, how
are you doing?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Rough. I don't think I've ever been more in
the mood to stay home and play video games. And
that's the one thing I'm not doing this weekend. I know.
I'm like, I'm like, I'm like my mind and body
are kind of preparing to stay home and play video games, Mike,
and I'm not doing that, So I got to like
do something over here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not I know, I'm not even like
going to sleep again before I go to Seattle. My
flight is so early tomorrow. Part of me is like,
maybe I should try to take a little a little sleep,
but I feel like two hours of sleep is going
to be worse than no sleep. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's let's lay out the ground rules real quick. Me
and Mike both have very early flights. I'm leaving my
house at four thirty am tomorrow, how about you? So okay,
So my fight at seven am in Pittsburgh takes me
an hour at different state. Yeah, takes me an hour
to get there. I'm also concerned because I do not
have pre check, and it's Labor Day weekend. It could
be very crowded.
Speaker 2: I think I can't leave here later than four am,
right you later than four No way?
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Big topics? Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: PS five pro announcement plans and console designs.
Speaker 2: That shit.
Speaker 1: I've not been paying attention? Is that the vibe out
there right now? That I was like, who I can
tell you people? It seemed to be pretty upset that
the images they've seen from this league only show a
digital only console no distract, and we'll talk about that
because I think there's some obvious caveats there. But basics
are Bill Bill Koon, pretty reliable leaker, seems to have
some access to store materials, and whether that's back ends
for PlayStation network or whatever, who knows, but they've like
frequently had this kind of information early. They say that
they've seen basically the box for the PS five Pro
and it is called the PlayStation five Prove. They've also
seen what it looks like. They're not going to share
the image of it because of course, I guess that
image would be copyrighted in some way. Either way, their
planet's safe. So what they've done is they've redrawn the
PS five I Pro and put out that artwork. It
looks a lot like what if a PS Slim PS
five Slim was a pro model. I mean there's like
three lines on the side. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I still think about the PlayStation four Pro just like
having one more slice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels almost very similar in a lot of ways,
like this one has more lines.
Speaker 2: A double cheeseburger to a triple cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: Right, Dave Dave's Triple Deluxe, Yeah exactly. Yeah, listen that
image does not look like it has a disk drive.
So people are saying, is this thing going to launch
without the option to have a disk drive or will
there be a model that does not include a disk drive?
Is it just this digital only version? And even if
it is, like it seems to work very similar to
how the SLIM model works. And correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't have a Slim, but you can take one
of those face plates off, attach to disk drive, and
put the face plate back on.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. I have a Slim right here.
I don't like, I don't know if that's the case
they or not, but I don't know. I get check
in what No, that sounds like work. It's on the floor,
that is correct, Jeff.
Speaker 3: And the default like at the factories to have the
SLIM and then they add the disk drive exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, So but let's play Devil's Advocate and say that
the same can't have a disk drive for some reason,
which for the record, I really don't think that's the case.
But let's say that's what's happening here. That's crazy, right,
They're not doing that yet PlayStation I mean, I know
I know that, Like people are going this helps them
keep the price down or whatever yet. Yeah, sure, but
they know where they're bread at, buttered still with the
audience that they have now, a lot of that audience
still wants physical games, even if it's even if it
is not the majority of the audience now, which I'm
sure is arguable one way or the other. I have
no idea even if it is, though, that's still a
lot of money, and I don't think that they are
ready to pull that bandit off. It seems like instead
they are just going to have this as an option
so that people will maybe lean a little bit more digital,
because that's that is what they want long term, it
seems like. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think
there's really a chance of this being a digital only
and there's no option for physical right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, There'll be something, even if it's not like immediately
built in. There will be some way to connect some
kind of disk drive to this thing, and I feel
like that might become the option for a lot of
consoles going forward now, some kind of external or attachable accessory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. There's been rumors in reports, according to Peak Unagi,
that there will be both be a physical and digital version.
My guess here is the model we're seeing is the
digital version, and then there will be a bundle just
like the SLIM that comes with the disk drive basically
already pre attached, and that's how they'll sell it. That
seems to be the strategy going forward. In fact, I
bet that's how it works for the PS six as well,
Like this is just their way of doing things going forward.
In terms of the PS five pro and its desirability,
where are you at with that? I mean, there's no
real new reporting on that as far as I could tell.
That seems to be what we've heard. Forty five percent
increase to rasterized graphics, so you know, fifty percent increase
in resolution, slash of frames per second, kind of give
or take depending on what you're doing with both either
of those those you know, vertical bars, and then much
improved ray tracing. But of course, how many games actually
have ray tracing? Right? So any of that stuff piquing
your interest?
Speaker 2: Ah gosh, I mean, look, I would love to have
a more powerful PlayStation five, you know, Like you know,
I was probably about upset as anybody when pretty early
on PlayStation five games were making you know, kind of compromises.
I didn't think I would have to be seeing yet,
but I don't know, Like the less I'm taking from
that is more just that Yeah, I guess that's just
the way it's going to be. Like I don't want
to become Yeah, And I know some people like are
tired of hearing everyone be like just play PC games, right,
But part of me is like, well, they release all
these things on PC now, eventually, maybe how make my
own PlayStation five pro and it could play a lot
of things. A part of me is just worried about
how much more powerful it's gonna be, Like if you
really want to make a PS five pro, part of
me kind of wish is that they would just really
go for it and it would be like a giant upgrade.
But then it becomes weird, what's the difference between at
that point a mid gen upgrade and a new console
because there really isn't that much of one anyways. It's
just it's gonna be a difficult thing to kind of
market and make feel exciting when you don't immediately have
the buzzword like four K and maybe you can try
to push ray tracing again. They try to push rate
tracing a lot with the launch of the PlayStation five. Right,
they were throwing that one out there like crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody cared, right, everyone was wild for ray tracing.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, And they all pretended like they cared for
a bit. They all turned it on a mouth brouse like, wow,
look at these car reflections. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I still think ray tracing is a very interesting technology,
but not. I still think it's not for us as
much as it's for developers.
Speaker 2: I just had to turn rate tracing off and Road
to Warcraft because like I was saying road to Warcraft
and it was chugging, Like why is it chugging, and
people like oh, because of the rain tracing. I was like,
why the fuck is tracing turned off? Then you turned
off runs great cool.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I did see Wolf and Stein three D,
the original Wolf and Stein three D with ray tracing.
It looks shit hot, so I love it in old games.
Speaker 2: Oh, this was just for the shadows, apparently. I'm like
at throwing a warcraft, it practically looks like rope blocks already.
I don't care about ray tracing.
Speaker 1: Of course. The other stuff with this is the timeline.
Here is Bill Bill Kuon's saying the review will be
in the next two three weeks first half of September,
is what they said, which kind of is what we
were guessing the last time we talked about this stuff,
where it's like, you know, I heard about a PlayStation
state of play in the last week ish of September,
and they could have a PS five pro announcement there
or can happen any time before that leading into that.
It seems like that's the path this is going. But yeah,
this is before Tokyo Game showed that all lines up
as well, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like the stuff is emine and you know,
I know you were hearing about a state of play
and autoplaystation showcase. Yeah, I mean the toughs cap being
the holiday, so it's going to be sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's honestly that, like, I'm pretty confident about
it being a state of play, but if they have
the announcement of the PS five Pro outside of it,
that makes it even a little bit more confident. But
we'll see how that all goes down. Final thing, we
always got to bring it up when we have this conversation,
what do you think the price is going to be?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard, you know. I hear six hundred here,
seven hundred. I understand the argument for seven hundred. I'm
just you know, my problem is that I'm just old
and can remember how negatively everyone freaked out about five
ninety nine back in the day. Even though it's a
very different world right.
Speaker 1: Now, a long way from then, a lot of way.
Speaker 2: A long way from E three two thousand and six.
It turns out whatever the hell.
Speaker 1: That was almost actually almost twenty years away from that, say.
Speaker 2: Eighteen say that, yeah, gosh, six, I want to say
six hundred, and I feel like I'm being low. I
feel like I'm being low, but I think I'll still
say six hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, what we have with the Japanese
price increases is generally like roughly five hundred and five
to fifty for the digital and the physical versions of
the PS five. Now, clearly that sets it up to
like very easily be six hundred dollars. That's at least
six hundred. I think these days, I lean towards six fifty.
And that's me kind I think I'm being a little
bit of a coward because I'm with you, Like seeing
a console that is basically seven hundred dollars, I think
would be shocking. I just the trouble with that that
argument is the people that they're targeting this thing at
will pay that money because they're going to buy it
no matter what. They have to have the most powerful PlayStation,
and they won't be able to help themselves and if
they have to come up with an extra one hundred
dollars they will. So Yeah, if I think if Sony
It can put themselves themselves in that headspace, especially without
having to worry about out pricing this against a comparable
Xbox model, that's gonna I think it gives them a
little bit more leeway to get a little bit tougher
with that price.
Speaker 2: And there is gonna there's an Xbox Series X that's
gonna cost six hundred dollars, right, and that's just because
of storage, right, Like how much storage it's coming with,
which that's so yeah, that's that's weird too. I don't
know the Xbox placers comparisons are going to be weird.
In a lot of it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 1: I think's need the start of them no longer being
easy to compare head to head. Obviously, the most easy
head to head comparison. Ever was this generation at the beginning,
and I think Microsoft's like that that just didn't work
out for us at all. Let's let's try to think
about what the position looks like and see how we
can differentiate ourselves going forward. And I think this is
the start of that so right, But.
Speaker 2: Just the fact that there's not gonna be a pro
model Xbox and there's like a lot of Xbox games
coming to PlayStation. I mean, we're gonna be in this
weird world where these games are just going to look
better on the best PlayStation then they look on the
best Xbox right like you know, yep this time next
year and Danna Jones will look better on PlayStation than
it can on Xbox. It's kind of a weird.
Speaker 1: Thing absolutely me. You know, some of those games, if
they're CPU bound, they're not gonna it's not gonna be
that much of a difference. But resolution, you know, they
can get a little bit more resolution here and there,
and that mean people will notice that it won't be
like the days of like early remember early Xbox one
PS four where it's like all this PS four games
are ten eighty and all these Xbox games are seven
to twenty ye or nine hundred P, and people really
did notice that that was a pretty big difference back then.
Now the difference between you know, a ten ADP and
a twelve hundred pe. However, these things are running natively.
It's it's a little bit more difficult to see that,
but people will still fight about it online. Oh sure, yeah, so,
I mean we talked about a little bit. The PS
five is increasing a price in Japan. A huge part
of this is just it's the end of inflation, not
really the end of inflation, but like if inflation is
beginning to come down, these companies are going to try
to get the last markup they can they can while
they still can. Of course, at the same time, component
prices are not going down. In fact, we're seeing reports
that component prices could very easily jump next year. TSMC
reportedly this is a report, but I think it's in
line with reality. Going to increase prices by ten percent
for their wafers. So getting a big wafer of a
bunch of chips that go in these systems costs eighteen
thousand dollars for one of these big wafers that goes
into hundreds of PS fives now there staying it's going
to be about twenty thousand dollars, and that price is
going to get passed on to AMD, and then that
price is going to get passed on to Sony and
then passed on to the consumer. Each time, probably that
each one taking a little bit of a buffer to
protect their cut, and that means, you know, the final
price increase could be something closer to eleven percent if
that price really does get passed on. Now, I think
part of the way they protect themselves with that price
increase is making sure the PS five pro is a
little bit more expensive while this volatility is still in
the marketplace. But yeah, what do you think a price
increase in Japan signifies other than obviously the reality of
the economic situation in Japan.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think just that, uh maybe, I mean
it's still weird because you know, we're just so far
moved from a time where prices slowly went down, right,
and it's a big price increase. And I know there's
something about you know, Black Myth Wukong and how many
people in China are apparently importing PlayStation fives from Japan
to play that game, and.
Speaker 1: The mage thing. This whole time is so.
Speaker 2: So that that's another aspect of it as well.
Speaker 1: I suppose, right, demand is that maybe a little bit
artificially high. I guess it's not artificial, but just higher
than you would expect based on like how well PlayStation
games sell in Japan. That's something people have been pointing
out for a long time. It's like PlayStation fives are
selling pretty well in Japan, and then you look at
the sales charts and you know, every Nintendo game is
out selling PlayStation five games like ten fifteen to one.
So right, people have been like putting the bath together
and maybe a lot of these are just going to China,
and that does seem to be the case. You know, whatever,
you sell a console wherever you can sell a console,
and whoever's going to buy it can buy it. Yeah,
I guess then this sets up what like, do you
have a different idea of what the next generation of
consoles are going to cost at the start? Because I
do get the sense that both these companies regretted h
five hundred dollars, uh, and like there's I think there's
no way they're five hundred dollars again, right, They're at
least six hundred dollars next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. But I just think there's a I
think there's a lot of questions about the next generation
of consoles, right because are we gonna do this again
where you know, it's very familiar and you know, we
kind of know who all the players are, and you
know the place, like you know what we've been given
to places five. It has not been bad the good,
but it's been pretty predictable in a way, be able
to get excitement around that again. Is it just like, hey,
here's the next PlayStation, let's go again. Maybe this one
will get a Naughty Dog game released for it. I
don't know, right Like, I just I don't know. I'm
like my confidence in console gaming like that is at
an all time low right now. I'm I just have
a hard time using my imagination to even think about
its future at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yep, we got a bunch of super chats on these topics.
We'll get to those in a second. Let's just hit this
last story, Blackmith Wukong. There's some question about why isn't
it on Xbox and extasist a leaker who's gotten some stuff, right,
maybe some miss miss some stuff is saying that there
was a memory leak issue with Xbox and that's that
prevented the team from being able to get it ready
in time to release on Xbox. Paul Tassy and IGN
are saying it's because Sony has an exclusivity deal. I
I talked to someone and they're like, as far as
I can tell, and this is someone who would know
that Sony has no money marketing deal to keep this
game off of Xbox. Now, is there some other thing
that's happened here where Sony showed up and said, hey,
here's some help to get this game on PlayStation, and
maybe that there was an exchange of value on that
side of things. I guess that's possible, or maybe it's
more simple than that. And well, okay, actually maybe it's
even more simple to what I'm about to say. And
it's like, well, you put the game on PlayStation if
you're game science, because there are more PlayStations, way more
platations in China than xboxes. Factor's basically zero xboxes in China.
And you know in CHINAE sales for this game are
so far and away the bulk of the money that
maybe Xbox doesn't even occur to them on first blush
and then maybe it's more simple of well once Sony
And again this is speculation. I have no idea. If
Sony showed up and said, hey, we are going to
help you game science is like great, we will dedicate
some of our engineers to help you help us, and
by the time they got done doing that, there were
no resources left to help get to get the game
on Xbox. But again, as far as I can tell,
and as far as my sources can tell, there is
no like exclusivity deal. And I think, if you like
look at it, when has Sony ever made a marketing
deal to keep something exclusive and not shouted to the
rooftops about it. So it's just strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what it is. It's just strange. I mean,
there could be a lot of different angles here, and
like I hate to say it, but it just ultimately
it just isn't that much of a loss to the
developers of this game to not have it on Xbox, right,
That's right, just yeah, that's like whatever the exact reason is,
whatever the thing is, they did it push through whatever
that barrier was. Yep, And I understand that being a
bummer for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, that's just gonna be kind of the reality.
I don't think this means it never comes to Xbox.
But Game Science a newer team in the console space, right,
they're probably figuring this out as they go along and see, right,
that barrier could be anything, and then they start doing
the math. Is it worth it? I think you're exactly right,
and that's where people's heads should probably be. But of
course this is a lot of this is fueled by
console fanboy boring and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I those people have been very been, very
normal about this game.
Speaker 1: Very normal and reasonable and just I'm sober minded is
how I would describe them.
Speaker 2: Of course, very good. Yeah, I expect nothing, nothing less
from this industry.
Speaker 1: All right, what we'll do is, let's take a quick
break right now, we'll come back. We'll get right into
the super chats. All right, we are back. Let's do it, Mike.
We got a handful of super chats here, Let's do those,
all right.
Speaker 2: Great. Jacob Bench says, I plan to go to the
Game Awards this year and to make a trip out
of it, also to the Nintendo World or you need
a forty minute waste to ride forty excuse me, forty minutes.
I hear theme parks. I think everything's in minutes, you see,
of course, is that true? Keep up the great work.
I don't know exactly what it is, Jacob, but there
are some surprisingly strict like waste requirements and rides in
the universal, even like ones that aren't like fast, like
the Secret Life of Pets ride, which is just like
you know, you're in a little car and you go
and the you lookt some scenes as a waste requirement,
that stuff will be listed on their website or somebody
else will have accumulated. So I would definitely, yeah, check
that stuff out, because there are effact requirements for these rides,
and some of them are stricters than others, like some
of them like that Harry Potter rye. You get kind
of you you do get pretty squeezed in there. I
don't mind, uh, I know that I've known people who
have like I couldn't quite breathe on that thing kind
of a situation. Even so, it's a thing worth looking into,
Like a Dylan says, I finally played Ridge Racer Type
four and oh my god, the soundtrack. Yes, it's good
gosh to listen to it almost constantly, because it's just
I have that CD in my car, right my car,
the CD player.
Speaker 1: Did you get the vinyl for that as well.
Speaker 2: I don't have the vinyl yet. I'll have to at
some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good collectors thing at this point.
But you have the CD you're listening to that, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I got a few vinyls at
games Comically that awesome Mega Man Legends one.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. I got Legends. I got
a Super Metroid, not like an official one, but someone
main one, and that's good. And I think Shovel Knight.
I got Shovel Night vinyl. So a bunch of good
stuff there. Jeff told me something about the future of
rid Dresser Police.
Speaker 1: I think that Van dy Namco will constantly disappoint you.
That's the future. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Like amp Dilan with their fifth super chest
says I really like Concord and I'm sad it's dead
on arrival. They can't play as strong. Could better marketing
have helped or do you think it was doomed from
the start. I think better marketing could have helped, Yes,
but I think I think doing that whole kind of
expensive CG trailer and like telling us how much we're
gonna love the characters instead of letting us decide for
ourselves we like them. It was a big, big mistake.
But I think there so much was against that game.
So much was going against that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's there's a lot going against it. But
also like, God, if I'm at that company and I'm
seeing this game, I'm looking at being like, this doesn't
look like it's going to be a Lawbreakers. These characters
look you know, compelling and appealing. I think you guys
got one here. This should be fine. And I'm like,
that doesn't mean I was interested in it, But I'm like, well,
people play these kinds of games. It's a multiplayer game.
Those tend to sell better than anything else. People show
up for this, So I don't know. I'm still just
kind of a little bit of shell shock every time
I think about Concord about boy, you can make some
really really bad bets in this industry and there's no
real rhyme or reason why anything didn't work out, And
I think people will be quick to say, hey, single
player games are doing great, blah blah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, Wukong is crushing a huge part
of that because of China. But their money spends whatever.
I don't think that's necessarily the answer either. I think
there's just a lot of risk in this industry right now,
and this is a very good example of it.
Speaker 2: Remember Crucible, People can forget Like what Amazon's first game
that they release right before New World They made a
hero shooter weird thing that looks very expensive and well,
forgot like this has already happened before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's very similar to what happened to
the Lawbreakers.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, It's like it's like every like two or
three years now that we just get this again, and
boy it's rough. Next up is from Super harm It says,
assuming the Lucasville Games logo is the last to appear
for INDI in the Great Circles opening, what does it dissolve?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Very Oh okay, set of the Mountain for Paramount?
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, they if they does that, it'll be like
some cave painting, right, because it's the lucasfilm logo. Oh wait,
and I'm thinking of the Lucas Arts logo, right, I.
Speaker 2: Shows that dude, that'd be amazing. God, I'm still so
mad that they brought it back. Yeah, lucasfilm games like
Lucas Arts.
Speaker 1: Respect for your fucking past, come on, shameful. Yeah, I
don't know. I think the reality is I think they'll
do the Paramount logo last, so they could be more
like the movie and have the mountain dissolve into yet
another mound of something. Remember what a fuck it was
in Kingdom of a Crystal Skull at Gopher Mountain?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and then it was immediately a cg gopher
that came out of it, Like, at first I liked it,
and then it was immediately a cig gopher.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, I'm already at least a
little bit more tuned out of this than I wanted.
Speaker 1: To be exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2: Uh. Next up is sadat the Gamer, says Jeff, God
of Wisdom, conqueror of may. Have you heard anything about
the upcoming superhero games like Warner Brothers, d C Stuff,
Saw Him, Next Stuff, TM, Mitt, Last Run in EA, Marvel, Cetera,
State of Play, predictions, anything you would tell us about
superhero games?
Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, I mean, you know, nothing new one on
any of those things. Sorry about that. I should check
in on those Marvel games at the very least see
how they're doing.
Speaker 2: But are they working on again? Are they the ones?
They're Black Panther.
Speaker 1: They're doing the the just just Black Panther game, and
they're doing the Iron iron Man. And think maybe they're
doing Blade as well. Right, they have three? Right, the
Blade one. I think it's the furthest Off one off
if I can remember it. I hear these things, I
say them, and then I say them anymore? Right, iron Man? Yep? Uh?
And then uh, w WB's got Wonder Woman? And who
is doing that? Any hiddigs doing the Black Panther? And
uh in America?
Speaker 2: In America, that's right?
Speaker 1: The people I think, Yeah, was in a former dishonored people. Right,
this work?
Speaker 2: Let me chack is ourcanek? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Okay? Oh right, plate's arcane from Microsoft. Right, that's right,
you're right, okay, thank you, thank you, Christian. Yeah, I
don't know. I'll check in on some of these. I
think though a state of play, they would probably be
happy to have something. I mean, we haven't heard about
wonder Woman in quite some time. That could easily show
up at a share play, especially if Sony's like, hey,
third party partners, do you have some stuff for us?
Since we are still holding off and showing some of
our first party stuff, this is not a showcase. I
don't know, but uh, I think we also don't hear
about any of these games until they're pretty close to
being ready. That's just the way these things tend to
go these days. Working on assets for shows like this,
We'd say it all the time is a big distraction,
takes a lot of resources, months of work from people
involved doing stuff for a commercial for you instead of
actually finishing the game. Uh So they try to avoid
that these days where possible.
Speaker 2: The idiot box is much like my super Chats PS
five doesn't seem to add anything meaningful. What would it
take to get you to to upgrade anyway? Thanks for
what you do, and happy birthday to my friend Renee.
Happy birthday, Renee. For me, it would just be a
commitment that, like pretty much every game that matters, is
gonna run steady at sixty fps. And I don't really
know if I believe that would be a thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you know, I'm a sucker. We
say it all the time. It won't take much to
get me to upgrade because I like to have the
newest things. So but to be clear, I know I'm
a sucker on that stuff. So for me, it's not
gonna be much. I could help. The part of it
is I can easily justify it, like everyone needs to
justify these things. I could justify it, be like it's
my job. But god, man, I struggling at this five
PS five and Xbox Series X and I just don't
use those things very frequently.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Usually I always upgrade. I bet I still will. Yeah, well,
there's a part of me it's like, man, I'm really
not using these things that much. Uh like why why
would I can't much? But it is, Yeah, you know,
I like, there are gonna be big PS five games,
and they are going to be exclusive that console for
a while at least, and I'm going to want to
be able to play them looking their best. I suppose yea.
So yeah, the beat goes on. Baba is Me, says
was watching the Dark Souls collection of Mike's playthrough. Thanke you,
fire Hair, Yes, thank you so much, fire Hair for
making these highlight reels of my Dark Soul's playthrough so
I appreciate that there is a jump Mike tried forty
times and it is the same jump tam gooded blessing
into trying a bunch of times. Also impossible jump question mark.
I know this jump. Yes, I think it's impossible. I
tried so hard to make.
Speaker 1: Is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, so Dark Souls doesn't really have like a
real jump button, but if you're dashing and you push
a button, you kind of like, yeah, call it.
Speaker 1: Jump is generous, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's like a there's a part where it
seems like you can cross the gap and like you
even kind of like get stuck in the jump ty
bit like oh maybe you're gonna make it, and then
you fall. So you try it fifty times hoping that
you stick, but you never stick.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, Okay, Yeah, I'll do it and I'll get
get in one. Of course, beginner's luck sounds good.
Speaker 2: Well, God's no message, but their first super chi I
thank you so much, Jacob Bett says. I says, I
feel like I'm the only one planning on getting at
PSI pro I like new tech. I could sell my
old one to help pay for it. Yeah, I'll always
love people.
Speaker 1: Going to do that. Yeah, a lot of people are
gonna And that's how a lot of people justify it.
And I think Sony knows that, and that is why
I think this thing could easily get up to seven
hundred dollars. Is they're like, hey, people are going to
be selling their old one, and we want them to
sell their old one. We want to encourage them to
sell their old one because that's one of the ways
we can get new people buying games. Is. Hey, that's
a new PS five customer that just spent three fifty
four hundred. How much is the secondhand PS five go for?
Probably still a pretty high price. You get that, get
that cash, used that to buy a PS five Pro,
and that's a new sale of a console right there.
So but and then they can still make it feel
like you're getting a pretty good deal a PS five
Pro for only three hundred dollars three fifty. I think
they will try to get as much out of you
as possible.
Speaker 2: Brian Coreless, with their fifth super chat thinks so much,
says it's a thirty fourth and feeling a rat. Here's
some cheddar for beef boys for everything you do. Smoochie
to all into uh to birthday, pal to my birthday?
Paler Renee? Who's Renee? It's their birthday? Apparently, I think
so much.
Speaker 1: I think Brian just saw the earlier super chat and
it was a little chiming in there. But hey, you
don't give us money on your birthday. Hey, happy birthday
to you?
Speaker 4: Though, for sure so much, but I might say, yeah,
Ricardo Oh says thoughts on the RG four zero x
x H for PS one emulation what?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like it should be pretty solid now
I've not tried it myself. It's the new vertical game
Boy style handheld from Bernick, and it's I think, is
this the one with the OLED screen? I don't think
this is the one with the OLED screen. There is
a newer one that does have an OLED screen. Maybe
it's this one. I kind of at this point if
you can get one of these handhelds with an OLED
screen for like PS one emulation, Boy, but that looks
really really fucking good res Roy pocket Minni. I think
I'm thinking of the vertical one.
Speaker 5: This is the one that looks like a PSP almost Are.
Speaker 3: You sure I thought that the one mentioned the super Chat.
Is it looks like the Retroy Pocket Minnie. It's one
of those like little four by three one.
Speaker 1: Oh this okay, all right, yes, but it's got.
Speaker 6: It's like Amber Nick's version of it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just does kind of get psp.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah one, all right, Yeah, I think you're gonna
be pretty solid there. But that's me just guessing. So
you can retro a game. Core is going to have
your back. Go watch the videos when when it's ready?
Speaker 5: Is it scream by the way.
Speaker 1: Screen on that one?
Speaker 2: Joeyef sat there for super chat no message, but thank you,
thank you. Jeff sure Wolf says, I'd like to apologize
to Mike. Kingdom Hearts is actually really freaking good if
you ever made fun of a franchise only to later
learn you like it. Apology accepted, Thank you?
Speaker 1: Are you playing Kingdom Hearts one on charted Wolf because
accept that two and three get good? But I know.
Speaker 2: Once one one was a great game already.
Speaker 1: I need I need to play like the remastered version
because playing on original hardware it was just so rough. God,
what was this?
Speaker 2: The platforming really threw you off?
Speaker 1: What was it? No? No, everything especially this is the
ship segments, but just everything about it was pretty bad.
Speaker 2: The gummy ship. It's just it's just a it's just
a kind of mediocre gallery shooter, gallery shooter, rail shooter thing.
What I don't want to make you play Kingdom Hearts.
I'm serious to watch you play king the Marts and
see where they can't frustrate.
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what it was now, it was
a while ago. It was. This is back in my
first house in Colorado at this point, so it's been
several years now. I just remember me and Steph taking
turns playing at her having fondness for it, and then
as we're playing it getting more and more frustrated, and
me being like, there'll be times where she get frustrated.
I'm like, let me help, and I'll be playing it like, Oh,
this is not a you problem. This is the game's problem.
And I don't remember I don't remember specific what it
was specific.
Speaker 2: I think it's both of you problems.
Speaker 1: What you did think that not surprised to hear that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a I don't is there a franchise?
I hate it on and later learned to like, that's
a little that's a little difficult. I'm sure there must
be some examples. This is really the same thing. But
I still remember Jeff saying he wasn't gonna play Reside
before remake because he already played.
Speaker 1: That game, and then it was and then it was like, shit,
that's probably the best game this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a pretty good ship. Actually that's a game.
Yeah yeah, uh, I mean it took me a while.
There's certain franchise took me way to like really open
my heart to like Resident Evil actually just because also
kind of anti zombie for a little bit there.
Speaker 1: That's definitely happened. I can't other than that Rezue be
for example. I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2: Game fire Kerberterer remember for four months on our linkednteer
think you said PS FI pro is truly pointless. There
might be a bit of a point. I don't know
if it's the sharpest point in the world.
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, and I not. I think most people are
gonna feel that way more than more than felt that
way about PS four Pro.
Speaker 2: Shaike Capo says underwhelmed in the Age of seven, twenty
p sixty f PSMs of terrible image quality on PS
five and series X. If PSSR does a job, it
should be a big jump Over s FSR two Slash three. Yeah,
I guess a lot of this is going to come
down to how oppressive is PSSR.
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah, And I mean I'm just not that underwhelmed
by the image quality on PS five and Xbox Series
X at the moment, Like, yeah, I mean, yeah, there
will be some improvements, but I mean, when I'm playing
a game on those consoles, most of the time it's
not running. It's seven to twenty p and even if
it is, the current upscaling is pretty decent. Obviously, FSR
two and three are mediocre. Like, they're not great upscaling solutions.
It's okay, it's okay, it's better in some circumstances than others.
But I just don't think PSSR pisser is going to
come in and change the world. I just don't.
Speaker 2: WELLO Davis asks, do video game journals get to celebrate
Labor Day?
Speaker 1: We don't tell anybody that this isn't really labor but yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well they flying during Labor Day for the most part, anyone.
Speaker 1: Exactly, that's gonna be a technically a work day.
Speaker 5: Capitalist peaks don't celebrate labors like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Well, I would yes, I would celebrate, but I just
I'm gonna be a pickup flying home.
Speaker 2: To be clear, we guess we do celebrate laborty and
we get it off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, you get it off. Continue. I'm so
going on soundboard.
Speaker 1: God, I just got it. Like I was trying to
like be like, oh, you got off of a crime,
and Dan would just heard your dad got you off
from crime and he's like, what did you say? My
chill out? Dan? Sorry, this is during Blake Club the
other day.
Speaker 2: Uh gug says Mike should play Alone in the Dark
on nso for lass I started that. I played more
of it than I should have at one point. It's
not good. It's not very good. The weird game Boy
version of Alone.
Speaker 1: The game Boy Color One. Right, Okay, yes it's weird.
I kind of. I think it's weird in a pretty
interesting way. But uh, I when we picked this game
for you, Mike, I did watch a play through of
the original Loan in the Dark, and that game's very silly.
That's a silly pastels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, textures everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never even occurred.
Speaker 2: To me to play the original.
Speaker 1: To me either, I'm just like, okay, well, now that
we're doing this, I should have some history here, and
that is the.
Speaker 2: Fuck up thing about this game. You make me plays
like this is like Mortal Kombat, Like you know, like
Mortal Kombat. Even Robo Kop never watched Real Cop, Like, well,
that's a cool character. I don't feel anything for a
loan in the Dark.
Speaker 1: It seems like you feel a lot of stuff now.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I feel distinct. The only alone in the
dark media I had ever absorbed before was the Yua
Bull movie. I remember nothing about it.
Speaker 1: That's the one with Christian Slater, right, That's that's the
only that I remember.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think that's right.
Speaker 2: Big Fresh thirty seven says after taking Mario Party and
Spelling supremacy away from Dan, what else can Bailey take
away from him? His wife? Maybe? Yeah, Bailey should get
his house. Yeah, be nice.
Speaker 1: Bailey should grow a bigger beard than Dan has, and
that would really get him, that would put him in
his place. Yeah. I do really appreciate how Bailey is
sort of the antithesis. She's his kryptonite. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sokso Roxxo says, Hey, Gaming God, speaking as someone
who loved Dread and Zero Mission, liked Fusion and fell
off Super played in that order. Do you think Dominus
is a good place to jump into Castlevania? Yeah? Well,
the little weird thing is like Donov Sorrow is such
a direct sequel to Arioso specifically that you maybe want
to play that one first.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Either one of these collections is going
to be a good place. I think I agree with
Mike that the best place to jump in is the
Advanced Collection, and obviously Sympathy a Night if you could play,
that would be great. But there's nothing wrong with starting
with these Game Boy Advance games or the DS games.
Even you kind of could do no wrong. You're gonna
want to play all of them.
Speaker 2: That was their fifth super chat. I think it so
much socks, So that could tell us, as Matt, well
there for a super chet Actually think you met Mike?
What would bring you more joy? A theoretical plastation five
pro or seventy Disneyland churros? And isn't everything pointless on
a long enough timeline? Wow, it's deep. Uh tur sounds
pretty fucking good right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: God, yep, God, Cinnamon sugar is just better I feel
like we should just have one kind of sugar, and
it should be cinnamon sugar, which you just call it sugar.
It's always better.
Speaker 1: Is it? You think it would work in anything just
as well as sugar does. Oh, you're right, you're right.
I don't disagree. You're right. God, churros are really good.
Speaker 2: Turts are amazing. I guess, like like barbecue has sugar
in and I'm not sure if I want to send
me flavor, but but maybe it'd be great.
Speaker 1: Actually, I feel like a lot of barbecue does use
cinnamon sugar or whatever or like or like maybe maybe
they should have a pinch of cinnamon with the sugar.
That's probably they do.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh. Simon SD says Jeff, why do
you primarily use the steam deck over the Ally? And Mike,
why do you usually use the Ally over the deck?
Jeff eights windows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate windows on one of these devices. I
am actually charging my Ally right now because Star Wars
Outlaws works much better on there than it does on
the Steam Deck. But the general reason is I find
the usability and just like, hey, I am turning this
thing on to play a video game, and that's what
I want to do, and the Steam Deck is much
better at that. It's also better at like when I'm
done playing a game and I want to put it
to sleep and pick it up later, It's better at
that as well. It's way better at that at that, really,
because I like the Hibernate mode on the Ally a
lot for that seems very good. Mine's been unreliable in
the past. Maybe it's probably improved since the last time
I really did this.
Speaker 2: Are using these Hibernate not the other thing. It's specifically
called hibernate, So what happened?
Speaker 1: Like when I press the power button once to put
it to sleep, is that not what I was supposed.
Speaker 2: To No, no, no, you don't do that. You click the
other button and you select the power thing, you select hibernate.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I will start doing that. That's I bet
I can set it up. So maybe that button goes
to hybernate. Maybe that's very frustrating me is when I
hit that button and then I plug it in, and
the things like oh what you plug me in so
you want to play? I'm like, what the fuck? And
then I'll try to like put it back to sleep
and it five minutes later, it still wakes up and
I'm like, I'm trying to sleep and now you're shining
bright video games in my eyes and that I hate
that kind of stuff. And then when you got to
update it, Like we were talking about this the other day,
I just had to do this because I haven't plugged
this thing in forever. I got to update the drivers
and windows. I got my ASISS app. I gotta go
to the a MD stuff and upgrade there. It's uh,
it's a pain in the ass. And the steam deck
is very much not that it just works. Also, these
days I have the original ALLY. The battery life on
that is pitiful compared to the o LED Steam deck
that I have, which is maybe not a fair comparison
sauce there is an Ally ex at this point, but
that's just the reality for me.
Speaker 2: I I just think the ALLY is a lot more
comfortable to hold. I'd like, you know, it's obviously a
lot easier getting non Steam stuff working on that. The
lablow battery life and the update thing is a pain,
but otherwise it's very easy, uh for me to use.
And I'm like, like personally like like, I don't find
the windows that different than the Linux operating system thing
that's going on there, uh like in terms of difficulty
of use or whatever. Yeah, but I don't use a
whole I've never used a whole lot of Linux stuff before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm barely ever in the Linux stuff
these days. But uh like, I'm like entering in a
password and like the keyboard will pop up over the
password field, so I can't click into the password field
to actually type in the password. Like that sort of
stuff just drives me insane. And then Windows has done
an update reason and we're gonna make this better for
being on handhelds, And it's just the Xbox app that
got the update. Everything else is still exactly the same.
So just a general frustration, although really at this point,
the battery life is the biggest thing. The Steam Deco
LED's long battery life has been a real joy.
Speaker 2: Recently, Karen Smith says, I'm actually shocked that Dan didn't
ask Mitch to spray the healing spray on Edward Carnby's
wang during bike club yesterday. Is Dan okay?
Speaker 1: Uh No, He's he's off his game, clearly. We'll see
when get him back on top. Here In the next
one that.
Speaker 2: Was there a third super chant that Jacob Betch is
playing Visits of Man out to find out that almost
the whole team got canned. Yikes. Yeah, so apparently this
Uka Studios it's actually a net E Studios that made
Visions of Man, and apparently most of that team has
been gutted already over over. Yeah, so the.
Speaker 1: Good old days. Put you finish a game, soon you
get fired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little confusing. I'm like that, not that
I thought that this game was gonna be some giant
self success. I don't know if this is related to
that or all this. There was like a Bloomberg story
on this like an hour ago, so I've been able
to catch.
Speaker 1: Up tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Okay. Next one here is from Jedi Moss for who says, whoop,
something got refreshed. I guy screw up to find that again. Oh,
there's a lot of supertess. We might pick up paste
a little bit here, guess it. How funny is it
that we are getting new ps places in hardware before
successor to the switch. There's a chance we hear about
the next Xbox before switch? Shoot? Well, because I mean
new hardware is you know it's new hardware? Sure? But
I mean, you know, we could hear about the switch
next month. That could also happen.
Speaker 1: Yep. I think it probably will happen based kind of
what we heard recently. I don't know for sure, but yeah,
before Tokyo Game Show, we could easily hear about the
switch too. Yeah. I get what you're saying, but I'm
almost like it's almost funny to say, well, we're gonna
about the PlayStation hardware and immediately we're gonna he about
switch too, and people are gonna care way more about that.
Speaker 2: Maximiliano Carrie insas tangentially related to Wukong. It's been a
month since China Joy happened, and I get to see
any coverage of any kind in any news outlets that
China is rapidly becoming a very important player or why
why is nobody covering that event?
Speaker 1: I think we did one story about China Joy maybe
too on Game Mess Mornings, and so that means someone
wrote some new stories about that it happens. Maybe those
were like preemptive stories like hey, this could be a
China Joy, and if those weren't included in there, maybe
I was considering them and I didn't. I don't know
the reality is China Joy is gonna have a lot
of stuff that's that's specific for China, and that means
it's going to be hard to suss out what matters
to your Western audience when you're putting together a new
story or show like mine. So, yeah, China Joy matters.
We talk about and we talk about China all the
time and how important of a market it is, but
it's it's sometimes difficult to parse, like, hey, here's why
this matters to you, the person likely listening to this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the market. It's mattering more and more all
the time. In fact, I think some people are going
to resent how much more that market matters, maybe than
the markets they thought needs to matter the most here
soon yep, it.
Speaker 1: Kind of overnight. It's like and now console games are
crushing in China, so people make console games are going
to start thinking about China way more, regardless of how
difficult it's going to be to get games into that mark.
I just want it.
Speaker 2: When Marvel was like introducing whole subplots just for the Chinese.
Speaker 1: Market, every every movie has Wow.
Speaker 2: Tbbity dab with their tenth super Chat says, I just
spent a lot of money on Ridge Racer four. The
game boots up and I can race, but all the
music tracks skip every single song. This is Mike's Yeah,
that's that's basically what you want that thing for. I
don't know, Uh get hopefully you got somewhere you can
get a refund or something, because yeah, that's no good.
Or maybe sure it might be the PlayStation if it
might be a disc reading problem unless all your other
discs are working fine, I don't know. Gosh, you know,
all this stuff is just degrading. It's just all gonna
get worse. Good thing, It's funny, even though I love
this clutch of stuff. I'm so glad emulations.
Speaker 1: There, Oh yeah, and emulation is so good these days. Yep.
It's a it's a relief.
Speaker 2: Uh, this is a lot of letters. Are Jeff j
D BEV do fud?
Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on? That's the name. He
said it perfectly.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any characters from media that you
don't understand why you irrationally love them? Like I like
po Teletubbies, I do not like Poe. I don't like
anybody from tell tib But what's the purple one? Purple
one always had the weirdest name in the deepest voice.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but I like the purple one though.
He was out there with Tinky Winky that's right. Yeah, yeah.
I like the baby son from Tellotubbies, the son that
had the baby's face in it. That was great.
Speaker 2: Tinky, that's so upsetting, Tinky Winky, fuck you. And it's
like he's noticeably taller than the other ones too. I
don't like that.
Speaker 1: I will say whatever. I watch Teletubbies and realize it's
primarily a British show. I'm like, this explains a lot
about it.
Speaker 2: That's a British show.
Speaker 5: That makes so much sense now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, see, yeah, everything's coming together. I don't know.
I feel like I feel like all the characters I
love are they're pretty rational loves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I don't know why I.
Speaker 2: Like the annoyed.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because we're kids of the eighties and commercialism.
It's just that, man. Yes, cartoons were like made to
sell us toys, and so it's like, well, what's the difference,
is made to sell us pizza?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: That's fine with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as ships, it's just as good as anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine a pretty basic and rash, like, oh, I
look on solo a lot. Yeah, I want to be cool,
of course I do well.
Speaker 2: David says, would Mike rather be at an outback and
have a tomboy Princess Daisy if a cool hat? Asked
if he wants to see her ten lines or hear
Ridge racist news. Look, I don't have to. I don't
have to answer your question. No lies making me answered.
Speaker 1: The Ridge racist ask me like a slurricuet.
Speaker 2: Chris Pratt says, this Alan Woke movie news sure is exciting.
Let's just say I can do more than stomp Oopah's please.
Speaker 1: State Chris Pratt as Alan Wake is maybe even crazier
than Chris Pratt as Mario.
Speaker 2: What I love is it could happen.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, it really could happen. It really could. Uh,
this is this kind of just happened? Was it? It
was not a twenty four? It was maybe it was
a twenty four. A twenty four and Remedy partnered up,
and A twenty four is gonna help pay for the
movie or the games, and then they also get first
rights for the movies and TV shows of Alan Wake.
So and a purna thank you chat and a perna.
I knew it was wrong. Uh so yeah, cool sounds good.
Speaker 2: Eight Cases Fuck Mary, kil Suicide Squad, Skull and Bones,
and Concord.
Speaker 5: Ooh black Concord because it has hot people and hot robots.
Mary Suicide Squad because it was just like he has
like infinite like playtime. You didn't fuck around with that
game for and kills Columbones because like, I don't know
that seems boring.
Speaker 1: I think it's generally right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do it just because I actually
think su Aside Squad is the best game here, So
I'll marry that. And you know, I could fuck round
Concord a bit. Scarland Bones is weird because people don't
even seem to be excited to hate that one or
to dunk on that one. It's almost this kind of like,
can we finally get move on from this?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: There they released it, great man.
Speaker 1: This There is a parade of sad games from this year,
these three right here alone. But there's more than just this,
but these three, especially.
Speaker 2: Like when the game flows, it seems to flaw harder
than ever.
Speaker 1: Now, Yep, it's weird.
Speaker 2: Zero Wing CM with their first super chat says, I
just got a PlayStation portal and I have been happy
with how well it works, looking forward to playing Astro
on it. Also, what if Astro can have higher fps
on the play SHIVI pro will help with speed run times? Possibly?
Speaker 1: Possibly, But let's be clear here that game should just
run as good as it runs on a PS five
out of the gate, like they don't. They probably maybe
a higher resolution if you want, but it better be
sixty frames per second. Period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I imagine that game is just going
to be locked at sixty yep.
Speaker 1: I guess they could have it run one hundred and
twenty frames per second on the PS five Pro, but
I don't care that much. I did just spend a
half an hour to after a dinner and took out
the trash and before this show started getting my Steam deck,
the Chiockey four deck to be able to stream the
PS five outside of my network for various reasons this
way wow, So yes, I can now connect my Steam
deck to my phone. I tested and it worked well
enough in some games to stream games from outside my
network from outside the network to my phone then then
to the Steam deck. So yes, I've done this as well.
Speaker 2: Uh, Poke says, no question, is just supporting the habit.
Thank you, Pok your third super Chat. Deadly Virus Eva says,
what's up a Battlefield? Are they really going to make
the same mistake as Titanle two and release it in
the Grand Theft Auto six release window?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean they're gonna have
to do a lot with that game. I think that
the reality is Battlefield will have the free to play
multiplayer side of things and then some stuff you can
pay money for. But I don't know. It's a different
world than when Battlefield mattered.
Speaker 2: When it did, low Worm says with their first super chat,
hate dogs appreciate everything you guys do, A chance for
game mess meet up during packs, big fun of add
a ball and arcade die bar, good pinball.
Speaker 1: We can probably make something like that happen.
Speaker 2: It makes something happen. It seems like Thursday night might
be the time for that, if anything, Thursday, Sunday, Thursday,
I mean Sunday. Wait, I don't want to yell if
I don't want to get yelled at it again on Reddit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, right, all the yelling that we
do for commercial purposes.
Speaker 2: That's what I love you know what that I shouldn't
even look it's what thing? If I don't like that,
they yell us but like it. But the worst part
was it was like, what what is the motive here?
Like what is the dark plan? Can't just be these
or who these people are? That's not possible. That was like,
are they targeting just like they're played to get more
children to watch?
Speaker 1: Like what, I've never thought about anything less?
Speaker 2: What are you fucking that's what? Are they just talking about?
Me yelling at me and Sean yelling about.
Speaker 1: Of course it's definitely part of it. Yes, And it's like,
oh my god, people are actually excited. Just fucking get
over what. You're not like it? Whatever the motivation, you
can yell yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: If you don't like it, it's fine, but don't be
like I think it's disgraceful how they're like trying to
like be like edgy YouTubers. Now, give me a break.
Speaker 6: Something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyways, Uh yeah, we'll meet up somewhere and
I'll beat you up if you complain about my money.
Speaker 1: Yell uh yes, Sunday night sounds good. We'll figure something out.
Uh yeah, we'll see how it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Go that was glow Worm akses Mike as in R
for a rich Racer Type four fan. Have you ever
tried Need for Speed High Stakes similar era and an
amazing sound track, PC versus better PS one easier to
get working. No, I've tried random Knee for speed games
here and there. That series is so weird because I
feel like it lacks an identity across its entire series.
There's just so many need for speed games, and like
there's very early ones that have a very different vibe,
and there's the open world ones that are a very
different thing. You know, there's these gamecuber ones. I just
I don't know which one's supposed to play. I don't
even remember one called high Stakes, to be honest, so uh,
I don't check it out. I like to check it out.
Speaker 5: The only grounds are like the only grounds, and then
most Wanted, and then.
Speaker 1: I Underground most wanted idiot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one of the GameCube I was playing.
I think it's Underground too, And it's wild because it
is just an open world driving game on a console
that's really not ready for that. Like it it looks
good like fidelity wise, but its frame rate is atrocious. Uh,
it's wild.
Speaker 5: Because ones are more like serious, like you have needs
for a speak portion or something like that, so just
just play those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, thank you for that. Sound super chatty, kay
d Cash, one of forces struggling with just play PC
response would cost one point five K to get some
triple A perfection as PS five on a four KTV era,
easier for a game journal to justify with your job.
Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean I said that myself before.
I said I get my people don't like to hear that.
I understand, but I like, you know, I've just got
like for me, it's like because of everything that goes
into it, Like yeah, like that's just seems to be
the avenue for me.
Speaker 1: I also, I can't help that I still think, regardless
of all the caveats there, that it's still the right
answer because when I think about what the companies like saying, hey,
we have to care about this so that we can
support these ecosystems, make them feel good. You see what
happened when Microsoft sort their motivations just changed slightly and
everyone's freaking out. I don't want to have to be
in that situation where I'm worried about the interest of
these companies. So for me, PC is still better. If
it's not for you, that's fine. But then what we
said on the last episode when me and Sean did it,
that's fine, and you could still criticize these companies, but
at a certain point you have to ask yourself, am I
arguing with a brick wall? And when is this the
company's problem? And when is it my problem? And when
should I decide that I have the power to move
on to something that is going to be more what
I want. I'm just saying the PC is there as
an option, and for a lot of these complaints, I
think if you could bite the bullet, the PC would
be the answer if it's not for you. Though still
after all that, I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sorry to butt in a little bit. But
since we talked about this a lot recently, Jeff also,
there's a lot of misconceptions around PC gaming, one of
them being that cost you fifteen hundred dollars to have
with PC. No, it'll cost you a little bit more,
but you can build a PS five level PC for
like six or seven hundred dollars. I am looking at
those bills with ps PS five level parts on PC
part picker, right, now it's about six hundred dollars. You
can get on with Nvidio graphics card for around seven
hundred and that'll get you DLSS, which will get you
above console quality. So you will spend like a couple
hundred more, but you get a lot more utility.
Speaker 6: You get a PC that you care.
Speaker 1: No one ever wants to hear this, but like the
games are cheaper, like Steam sales are cheaper, significantly better
than the summer sales from PlayStation.
Speaker 3: There's like a learning curve to all of it. I
think we sort of to spell the miss around. I know,
like Justin Davis over at IGN a while back, many
years ago. Now, he just made a PC, put it
under his TV and was like, yeah, I spend one
hundred dollars, two hundred dollars more or whatever it was
then a console. This is just my console now. That's
why I use it for because I want to think
about it being my best hat PC. And yeah, he
seemed to love that, so yeah, you can do that.
Speaker 6: I've done it.
Speaker 3: Jeff talked about his build that was basically the same
thing last time, just it's different and again, like we said,
last time different scary, but like there's a lot of
misconceptions that we sort near break down.
Speaker 5: Yeah it's getting scary there, Yeah it's getting less scary.
Is the ecosystem is becoming way way more approachable for
people that comes from consoles. We see big picture and
all that stuff, so like, don't be scared. Also, it
can be even more cheaper if you go to the
US market. This is this is going to be a cliche,
but look out like the Linus Tech tapes videos about
this kind of stuff about building PCs, about like checking
the US market. Those are really good videos and they
will like point you to the right way.
Speaker 1: And you can like scamp on the CPU, get an
older generation I five and you're almost certainly going to
be just fine. Get the better GPU or get a
serviceable GPU and slowly upgrade over time because you can
do that with the PC.
Speaker 6: So we we get it.
Speaker 3: If you don't want PC at all, we get it.
We also don't try to like spread misconceptions that is
like super expensive or that is super difficult when there
are easy tutorials like it it's okay, I'm not like
something without you know, carry it down a.
Speaker 1: Little bit and it really it just is the answer
to all of these problems in a lot of ways.
That's why we say it.
Speaker 2: That's all, buy a game cube.
Speaker 5: Qub bord forbe hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Hex prof with their first super chat says p S
s R ps v R. Is this another thing they abandoned? Nah?
This is first off PlayStation. Is making this not like
Sony proper?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: All right? And I mean this is just a This
is an eternal hardware or software, I don't know what,
but you know, it's a thing in the console.
Speaker 1: It's not hardware peripher role. It's it's just like the
checkerboard rendering. It's something that just becomes normally built into
every single game, so you don't even notice it anymore.
But yeah, it'll be there.
Speaker 2: What's the next one here? Curry? Hey, beat boys, are
you all hearing anything about the switch to ann that's
been happening next month? We Waggle is the worst, Mike
is right? Yeah, I tell you you're not doing much
to turn my opinion on the Wii and the Wii
you around. God, I am just seeking in to the
lowest depths of we hater despair.
Speaker 1: We have more we Waggle coming up this weekend. I
don't think that's going to change your mind. Now, I'm
just I've heard what everyone.
Speaker 2: Else has heard, but real because paraf Purified Storm has
a super chat. He just says, switch to trailer in September,
question mark right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that,
and you know, just kind of through the grapevine hearing that, Like, yeah, people,
some people in some places are expecting maybe something next month,
who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Already. Extent of Effect says why are Sony' sussels good
and Xbox Month's bad? Lukung's money had it? But Sony's
says it's good. It's so much for series s holding
up game releases.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't say it was good or bad.
I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. But you know, what's you know, gard
when which it just it just wasn't money had it.
That's not how that went down. If something happened, it
just wasn't money. I don't know exactly how it worked,
but yeah, yeah. The only reason it's one's good ones
bad is when PlayStation does it a lot of people
seem to like it, and when Xbox does it. A
lot of people yell at Xbox and is that unfair? Yeah?
What what am I supposed to do about that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, is it's pretty wild how little
of a conversation there even was about hell Blade too.
Huh that just came and went.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean it's just not that interesting.
Speaker 2: It's just not that interesting. I think any of Jonzo's
looks see that seems to be very promising. People seem
to be very excited. All right, that's different out the
super chats, Jeff, why don't we all right, Hell yeah, everybody,
thank you so much for all those supermats.
Speaker 1: Very nice. We're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna
come back. We're gonna do the mount Rushmore of Party Games.
We'll explain exactly what we mean by that.
Speaker 2: We'll read the rest of the super chests before the
end of the show.
Speaker 1: Think yes, if you got any more super chats sentament,
we'll get to all of them. And we're back. Let's
do it. It's time to decide the mount Rushmore of
Party Games. Mike. I don't want this to just be oh, like, hey,
it's got party in the title. It's Mario Party Games.
That you would play at a party period. That's that's
the rubric here, that's all we're working with. What do
you think I.
Speaker 2: Think Mario Party should be on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right about that. Do we want to
just put Mario? Do we want to pick one?
Speaker 2: Do we really just pick the first one? And people
kind of know what we mean? I mean, if you
got Rushmore right, it is an importance thing too, So
you know, obviously there's probably better ones to play now.
But even so, you're right, we're playing the first Mario Party.
That still sounds nice, that still sounds fun. Everyone can
play it. You can get young people involved, where you
get people who like don't necessarily play a ton of games,
and everybody understands Mario Party and has a good time.
Speaker 1: I think that's right.
Speaker 5: By the way, this is part of the games I've
seen games you play a party Mario Party likes.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's just four people to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine that you said it with a different
accent than one I just said. So now with different
people here do you said that there's this game Christian Okay,
let's see here. I'm gonna go with this is uh
Super Smash Brothers which I think is a party game. Uh,
but I think even you agree it's fun to play
at a party. I think right now this is what
I would You don't just say no, no, no, no,
no Melee.
Speaker 2: I think it's Melee or Ultimate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's no, let's go with Melee. Yeah. I
mean I think you throw that on four players. It's
that and like kind of Mario Kart, which I'm sure
we'll talk about in a second as well. But I
just think anyone can hop in there with le and
what's all the chaos is happening and have a pretty
good time. And it's the one where you know, a party,
but also just like, oh, every weekend, me and my
friends are hanging out during high school in the early
two thousands, late nineteen nineties, and we're having our party
of like the six of us, and we're taking turns
and there's pizza, and that's the kind of party that
this is. And I still think that's like one of
the ideal games for that scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, jack Box, jack Box Party.
Speaker 1: Packs, jack Box Party Pack. I we just did this
with my family, uh, the like extended family up in Michigan. Uh.
I plugged in the steam Deck and I had a
bunch of stuff ready to go and we pretty much
just played Jackbox Cuz having your phone is the input.
Everyone just feels so like easily, like, oh, I can
be a part of this. And they see everyone else playing,
and people who are at first like, oh, they're playing
video games. Maybe I don't know, No, maybe we'll play later.
Once they see everyone having fun, I'm like, just get
your phone out. You could be in the next round
and every by the end of the night. Honestly, by
the second round, everyone was playing. So yeah, yeah, really
ideal scenario for a great game.
Speaker 2: For any party. Yeah, they're fantastic. Absolutely Twitch too.
Speaker 1: I will go with rock band. Yeah's you're up in? Yeah.
I mean, people like karaoke and this is like ultimate
karaoke in a lot of ways. And of course then
people who don't feel like they could sing well or
or are embarrassed to sing, they could do stuff as well,
because there's different instruments obviously, And yeah, I think and
it's rock band, it's seat a guitar hero specifically specifically
because of.
Speaker 2: That, I think Worms are Mageddon. Oh, I like that,
which they just announced a re master of that coming
to Switch, although we already have worms wm D on Switch,
which you know, my limited knowledge like that already anyways.
But yeah, I think these worm games are actually super
fun in party settings, right, it's kind of turned based.
People are doing their things. It's tactic, al it's not
like that complex. People can jump in there. You do
the thing where you get to name your team so
you can name them after your friends or something stupid
like that. Just a very silly game, at least at
least with me and my friends. Worms is something we
like to do a lot. Yeah, I really didn't go
in right, Armageddion.
Speaker 1: I don't, okay, Yeah, but I said I don't know
how to spell. It's okay, I'll take it rid of
the you know.
Speaker 2: What, You're right, Jeff, And that was harsh of me,
and I apologize.
Speaker 1: That's fine. No, I think you're probably right, like I'm
there's a reason I didn't partake at the spelling be today.
Speaker 5: If he lost, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well I didn't. I didn't lose, though, so because that's
that was my key is like, hey, I didn't lose
the spelling Bee.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll tell you what I almost I almost
fell out of my chair with Jay was going to
disqualify Dicky because they did it clarify that a letter
should be cap.
Speaker 1: I liked I like that a lot. That was That
was a very funny moment. That was That was way
I was like, was spelling be It'll be fine whatever.
It was incredible. There were so many great moments in there. Okay,
let's see here. Fog says, I was mad. That was serious.
I bet a lot of people were shoot hot about that.
That's great.
Speaker 2: I was I was like happy touching those kind of
in a meeting and I was just like, well, what's
going on over here?
Speaker 1: Oh? That was good? All right? We sports russ. Yeah,
that's right. It's another one where anyone feels like they
can play. Bowling is like an all time classic. But
then there's all the other games in there that like
are maybe aren't quite as good as bowling for everybody,
but uh there's still a good time. And then you
go back out you play more bowling. It's just yea
all around a very fun time. Yeah, excellent. Uh, okay,
do you want to do one more? Should we get
the input from the podcast producers?
Speaker 2: I have some in mind. Let's get some input let's
see if they cover them all right.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, I mean they want lined up appropriately. Eh,
there we go. Oh okay, Tommy pencils. Tommy pencil says
leisure suit, leisure suit, Larry Wet dreams dry twice. Is
this the right one? Yeah? Mount Rushmore party again that
it's a key party apparently that Tommy, Yeah, that's how
you do it. Eden says sports friends. I think I
have this, and I don't know if I've ever actually
played it at a party? Is this Is this the
one with the Johann Sebastian joust.
Speaker 2: No, but that sounds neat.
Speaker 1: Have you played that before? Do you do you know
what that is?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I thought you were just saying words.
Speaker 1: Well I am just saying words. But it is also
the name of a game. That's the one you play
with the PlayStation move controllers. But you don't look at
a screen. You just I think you just hear music
and the controllers are lit up and as long as
the music's playing you can move. But but once it stops,
you have to stop. And then you try to get
other people to move their their their move controllers so
they lose. So you can kind of wave your other
hand at him and stuff and kind of like get
in your face. It sounds like a pretty good time.
We should make that happen at like a bombathon if
we ever do one again. Uh all right? Ben seven
says Super Smash Brothers Ultimate definitely. Jackie G says Super
Smash Brothers Ultimate can maybe change Melee to Ultimate. What
do you think, Mike?
Speaker 2: I think at this point, sure you could have more
a party game. Four people playing Ultimate.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do Ultimate. Chris two K says Warrior Where
Move It? Which actually is a pretty decent party game.
I don't know if it's going to be a Mount
rushmore worthy though, And honestly, if I was going to
play a Warrior were at a party, it would probably
be the Mega Party Games for the GameCube one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. Jamie H. Christmas Eve says
rock Band Mister Buller says Jackbox Party Pack. So does
Villain Mac God that that was the the t k
O the T shirt design one was the favorite of
the family, and there's a lot of fun ones on there.
Hosp says Overcooked all you can eat. I like this
one a lot, but I'm wondering what you think.
Speaker 2: Never played these. I know people like these quite a bit,
I just never never had the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's we should find an excuse to play
that on Giant Bomb because I have not played it
since it originally came out, and I played it with
Steph and we had a good time. The Elden Ring
Wolf five says Gang Beast. That's definitely a classic as well.
Lenny Astro, Dick deversus Mario Party two The Team money
Ogs rock Band Bench j C says Fortune Street? Did
you ever play Fortune Street.
Speaker 2: Like a little bit. I don't know if I ever
played like more than a couple of rounds, but you know,
I am intrigued, especially now that I like dragon Quest.
It's the idea of Mario dragon Quest Monopoly.
Speaker 1: Ever sounds insane? Yeah. Two time Champ B. Palmer says
your favorite Shrek Super Party.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the few Strek games I
don't have for game.
Speaker 1: Doctor Ryan says Mario Kart Double Dash. Yeah, I would
probably put Mario Kart eight Deluxe on there, and I guess.
Speaker 2: Well I probably still would. That would be the Mario
Karter presenter from this as I love Double Dash, I mean,
it's harder than I ate Deluxe.
Speaker 1: I get the appeal of double Dash and that's the
one you could do land and have like sixteen players,
was it or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, input name here says is this Halo over party? Yeah? Yeah,
both of these You could like just plug into your
college ethernet port right and probably get land that way.
That would be a good time.
Speaker 2: It was a huge thing back then.
Speaker 1: Bredfish says, yes, as a Land StarCraft party. And it's
the picture of the ninety nine NBA champion Spurs celebrating
on their way home on the plane, all playing on
their laptops. I love this picture because the trophy is
right there in the picture next to them as they
play StarCraft.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. I remember my brother whatder brother would have
his friends come over and like one would be on
you know, my brother be on his computer. I want
to be on my dad's computer. One would bring like
a laptop and they would just be doing StarCraft Land
parties or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I have enough computers land around here that I'm like,
we should get like a way to set up a
Land party here for the girls when they have like
friends when they're older and see if they wanted to
two like minecraft Land parties. So like, that's always in
the back of my head. Osama Bin Franklin's is we music?
I mean listen, that's like if you want to be
like the DJ for a party. Of course everybody loves
the wee music DJ at a party. Yeah, well, you
don't agree with Osama Bin Franklin.
Speaker 2: I might have to step out a line on this one.
I'm afraid by the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, we music has been compromised to a permanent end. Uh.
Screaming Madden says e a Sports Madden nfl Own nine
All Play edition, which is right, Yeah, because he's getting
ready to defraud the state of Louisiana. Don't worry, it's
a joke.
Speaker 2: I know his name is.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that for one second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played he played for the purple team after this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Go go what was that team called? I was gonna
be like, I'll show you a much of about football.
I know the other team he played for. I can't
remember that.
Speaker 1: He also played for a third team, the Jets.
Speaker 2: He played for the for the Jets.
Speaker 1: He is all right, He's back alive. Everybody Adam GC
says Mary Kate Nashley Sweet sixteen, licensed to drive. I'm
not an expert on this one. I'm like, so, what
do you say.
Speaker 2: Fifty We're not as young as we used to be.
I've never seen a game killed Dan More. Oh my god,
it was fucked up. We were maybe playing a mode
that would never end.
Speaker 1: Real quick divorce Cougar Chat says it's tough being a
Jets fan. If you heard this incredible fact. There's four
teams in the NFC East and where does where do
the Jets rank in the number of division championships? Just
guess is it fifth? Fifth teams? And one of the
teams that left the division has more than the Jets.
They're fifth out of four. That fucking rules. Holy shit,
that's so good. T Tka Graven says Sonic Shuffle You
ever play?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sucks. Yeah, I know people have upset, but
just you know, Chrish Beannik, you got a pretty decent
Mario party, Like, how hard could it have been? They
fucked it up? So Bao, Sonic Shuffle, huge disappointment.
Speaker 1: We should play that for the next Blood Club at
packs Uh Chaos BUCKERU says we Sports right there with you.
Oh Stinky says Ultimate Chicken Horse. Is this one you've
ever played?
Speaker 2: No, never even heard of this one?
Speaker 1: So this is one. It's a It's a multiplayer platforming
game where you take turns placing your platform, and so
you could do things like, uh, put a platform in
a space where everyone can get easily to the end,
or you can make the level more complicated to be
so that maybe you're like, oh, I but I bet
I can get over this, but I bet that person
won't be able to so you can get more points
by being the only person to complete the level. It's
a really good idea. And uh, I actually discovered it
watching Giant Bomb Planet and play it. We should maybe
bring that back too much? Yeah, god, gross, weis Mahan says,
Is this the anime party Party?
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is that game that depressed me the board
and get very sad about it.
Speaker 1: The lady's arms getting ripped off. What is it? Yeah,
Ninja Party always be clothing slash CORGI Is this Mario
Party DDR or Mario.
Speaker 2: dMar that's Mario d DR for sure. I just think
I think rock band has the music like genre lockdown
pretty hard on this.
Speaker 1: I agree. Uh intuminal crossing says animal crossing a mebo festival, which,
even with Scott the Wats in this picture, I'm afraid
that's gonna be a no.
Speaker 2: I was watching an ant dude video yesterdays. Scott the
Wats he somehow found his way in there too, things
complaining about hey pickman or something.
Speaker 1: That sounds about right. Casual says outlaw golf too with
the sexy golf lady.
Speaker 2: God, that is just the most like two thousand and
two depiction of a of a rendered woman I've ever seen.
That's just what a rendered woman would look like. Did
you see that fucking clip from from a ex player
or whatever? Go and the get in the rounds today?
Speaker 1: The one was the review of which which one was it?
Speaker 2: It's the girl talking about Genji and it was she said,
she says some rough things about Japan, about why we
should have cared.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've seen that before. Yeah, that's actually definitely said
some ship about Japan. And it's like anytime people bring
up like games journalists used to be racist against Japan,
it's always fucking explay shit. And then like a couple
other things, can.
Speaker 2: I say the things she said at the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can give you the Hall pass go to town.
Speaker 2: Mike, Oh, Mike, yeah, Christians right, I'm not gonna say have.
Speaker 5: An incident with the Japanese.
Speaker 1: Just move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrib it's like shocking, it's shocking. She said
that she should not have what should have written those words.
It wasn't that long ago, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And the reality is like someone else probably wrote the words,
because that's how those reviews worked on that show. But
someone should have stopped saying those words. It's crazy. It's
wild Ali miracle uh as it says Fusion Frenzy, as
Bill Gates says, at least now I'll have plenty of
time to play Fusion Frizzy Frenzy on his dev like
that's him commenting I was divorce of course that you know.
He definitely said that. That's real. Matt. Matt and the
rare is endless zone, said nid Hog, which just is incredible.
This is one where the rounds can go on forever
if the two people are evenly matched. And this is
one of my favorite gaming moments ever. Is at the
bomba Thion playing this with Austin Walker and are just
going back and forth. I mean it felt like it
went on for a half an hour. It was probably
like ten minutes, but it just was like not going
to end, and it was very dramatic, so very good time.
I love that game. Let's see here, Freedom of Liberty
Ball says Mario Party and specifically Mario Party Party where
nobody wins and Jeff had to leave Bayleaf Moons? Is
Pokemon Stadium too? Is that a party game?
Speaker 2: It's but that's a bunch of mini games. The mini games, Okay,
I like the minigames that I don't have quite as
much infinity ear nostalgia for them as some, but they're fun.
Speaker 1: Is that game just straight up made by game freak?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It looks like it and it's like, but that makes sense.
They're good at making like a bunch of fun games
and if you want to, yeah, so that makes sense
they're there. Mini games would be good, uh. Wardencliffe says
TowerFall Ascension.
Speaker 2: I was wondering a TowerFall of getting mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a TowerFall is definitely like that. Well that hey,
if you know, you know, party game at least it
was at one point.
Speaker 2: It's super fun. It's like it a lot. It's very
easy people to play. I mean my uh my brother
was an Ooya backers. I remember, like that's the one
time we had fun with it, like we're all over
on four was just playing Tower Fall. My, yeah, that's
pretty great.
Speaker 1: Uh Mex Mex says Ultimate Chicken Horse. Hammond of Texas
says land parties with Half Life counter Strike. Yes, that's
definitely a good time. Symbiosis says Golden Eye Double O seven,
which I definitely feel that I had some great times
playing that game at parties. Let's see here, Octo says,
We Dare for the Nintendo We Flirty Fun for All
is the subtitle for the Ubisoft game We Dare. It's
the mount rushmore we commercials maybe, he says. HLS says
Conquers Bad fer Day that had a multiplayer mode on
Xbox right? Or is this just like a fun thing
to play because everyone want to laugh?
Speaker 2: What I think it might have on sixty four also
even or something?
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is good art here though, great
Mighty Pooh paper Zoob the six pm Pacific Door says,
just dance.
Speaker 2: If it's a party of all six year olds, maybe tell.
Speaker 1: You what six year olds fucking love just can't get
enough and they don't even play the game. They just
watch YouTube videos of these dances and they feel like
they're playing. That's all you need. So maybe not a
great strategy for them. Taniel says, I can never remember
the fifty great games in one Nintendo clubhouse game, Yes,
Othello and more, Yes, a clubhouse games. This is. I
don't know if this is a party game as much
as it like lay in bed with your wife and
like pass it back and forth kind of games. So
which is how I played that? We used to play
a Yachtzi before bed YACHTSI before the Yatzi Big Tone
the Final Fantasy Guy says, everybody won to switch.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many copies of that game sold. I
mean it's more.
Speaker 1: Than probably, Yeah, jesus, it's probably the worst performing first
party Nintendo game on.
Speaker 2: The Switch, right, probably? Yeah? Yeah, it almost has to be.
Speaker 1: Huh. That can go on the mount rushmore forgotten Nintendo
Switch first party games. We'll do that one eventually. Jad
Camp says, worms are we getting?
Speaker 2: That's the first worms? Many? Really? They got a redesigned
starting worms too. That sure was beneficial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these worms fucking suck. Actually, I hate looking at
these guys. Worms with noses is just a bad idea.
Speaker 2: Probably somebody else brought up worms, though not just me.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I thought it was. I thought it
was a really good call. I'm like, oh, yeah, I
would love doing that.
Speaker 2: Worms is great at parties.
Speaker 1: Adam Juice says Snowboard Kids Too, which did have a
great four player mode. People really enjoy that. Postman Dan says,
Land Party Halo, Yeah, Halo is Combat Evolved.
Speaker 2: I think it was like Land parties, like those those
are parties specifically just about that one thing, right, I
guess you know what I mean though, Yeah, like you're
just getting together to play this game.
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that like maybe one Land
game could get on there, but I think it's a
long shot. We'll discuss it once we kind of get
out of all this well. David says Warrior where smooth
moves and Laser Wolf says Guitar Hero World Tour B says, uh.
Call of Duty Modern Warfare four or Called Duty Modern Warfare? Yeah, yeah,
split screen Call of.
Speaker 2: Duty split screen. I do remember playing Call Duty two
split screen a surprising amount because when it was an
Xbox or sixty launch game.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Christian says International Superstar Soccer sixty four eleven. Well, okay,
we eventually would come winning eleven. Turbo Sean says Mario Kart.
Speaker 5: We oh, by the way, yeah, if this, if this
thing was made only of Argentinas, it will be winning
eleven three times and like rug bud or eat their here.
Speaker 1: Okay, good to know.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised how little Mario Kart came up. I thought
that was kind of our biggest omission at the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, let's let's I'm going to still
add Mario card Hate Deluxe, but.
Speaker 2: Nobody specifically said. But I'm like you sure you don't
mean that one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Owing the Mount Rushmore is why I put week
because that's the one that really like broke into the
casual audience for everyone playing.
Speaker 1: Right, it was right, it was massive. It was the
truly massive Mario Kart.
Speaker 2: Was there anything else from the list from I feel.
Speaker 1: Like there was, but I'm like struggling to remember, and
that that doesn't mean it's not worthy a list. I
have a terrible memory.
Speaker 2: They check and yell at us, but like you know,
I saw like affirmations about rock band and jack Box.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure.
Speaker 2: Halo. Again, like the land party aspect of Halo, I
just that's not necessarily what I'm really thinking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and I like as much as like Halo.
Like I think Old Nights very similar to what Halo
did in terms of what people are like, we're all
getting together to play this game this weekend. And while
I agree that Halo is superior as a game to play, Yeah,
Golden I was very similar in how I felt about that,
and they said that No Mercy, Yeah yeah, those in
sixty four wrestling games would be great for this sort
of thing. Yeah, TowerFall Nitthog, I'm going to like, at
least consider TowerFall Nitthog is like, yeah, it's incredible. It's
probably not gonna make the list. It was Spider Heck's
a good one that people should definitely play, but make
the powerful.
Speaker 2: No one brought up Castle Crash, which is maybe not
that's pretty good for that.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, those you know, that's probably the best
beat him up party game or yeah, yeah, beat him Up.
Uh Okay, here's what we have audio listeners Mario Parties,
Super Smash Brothers. I'm gonna change that to Ultimate. That's
what I was gonna do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Ultimate Jackbox Party, Pack, Rock Band Worms, Armageddon,
we Sports, Mario Kart A Deluxe, and TowerFall. That's I
think we probably have our answer here. Let me say, oh,
I mean Bomberman. I definitely would enjoy Bomberman, but yeah.
Speaker 2: That didn't come up. Yeah back in the day, I
think absolutely, But I don't know, maybe that's a bit
of us being the olds Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And I think Gang Beast is
definitely one that people can add fun with at a party.
That's well. When we also played up in Michigan and
we played that for a few rounds. What happens with
that is like the kids want to play that real bad,
and the adults are like, just let the kids play.
And then when jack Box was on it, that was
one's like no, kids, just relax, let us play And
that was interesting to see. So yeah, I think that
for sure we're gonna move Mario Party up right. Yeah, absolutely,
And then that's a gimmey And then I think the
rest is kind of up in the air. Mike, what
do you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I don't want to do a thing where
I just put like the three Nintendo games up there,
the three popular multiplayer Nintendo games. Yeah, make some sense,
like because there's other ones that are gimme's. Honestly, like
rock Band probably a gimme.
Speaker 1: I think rock Band's probably a gimmey. Like if you
were like if someone came to you and said, hey,
we need four games for a party, and we want
to make sure they are going to be the broadest possible,
like hits with the audience, when we don't necessarily know
who's coming, but you still have to put together this list.
I would put rock Band on that list, I think
one hundred out of one hundred times.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think even jack Box on a SIS
makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think that this list doesn't make sense with that
jack Box these days. I think that is again a
same exact scenario where that's and a huge part of
that is just the interface, the fact that people can
get their own phone out and play and they don't
have to feel good at games, say hey, are you
come up with the list of fifty random phrases really fast?
And that that's going to be useful for this game.
People love that stuff. It's it's real good. So that
leaves with Mario Party Rock Band, Jackbox Party Pack on
our list. Right now, we have one slot left for
Super Smash Brothers, Ultimate Worms, Armageddon, we Sports, Mario Cart
eight Deluxe, and Tower Fall, and I think we can
consider this that Teddy roosevelts. So if you want to
get a little bit wild with this one, I'm okay
with that because I think you're probably right that I
don't know if I want to put Smash Brothers or
Mario Cart up they Mario Kart ate up there to
take a slot on the Mount rushmore.
Speaker 2: I can see Mario Kart Smash I can. Yeah, Smash
Whird is a little bit weird for me, just because
again this is my well own uh problem with it,
but like so many people want different things from Smash
Brothers that it's not necessarily an automatic crowd pleaser the
way that just putting Mario Kart on for people is right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Mario Kart definitely goes on before Smash
Brother's for the reasons you said, yeah.
Speaker 2: But part of me is it's like, I think Worms
is an interesting choice. Is part of me that feels
like that it's the one that's for.
Speaker 1: Sure, but it also feels like it's different in the
right way. I love the idea of it's a party.
You don't just want to be playing games, So here's
a pass the controller game. So if you want to
get up and do your thing and go to the
bathroom and get a drink, well, we'll call you when
it's your turn.
Speaker 2: I love that. It's like Shawn Dask, do people actually
play Worms and Person? It's just me because I never
even thought about it as an online game. I've only
ever played it couch multiplayer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of thing. I think when we would rent
it for the various versions that would come out on
sixty four and other consoles. Yeah, that's how we would
play it, like one of the party games. It would
be right there in the mix with GoldenEye and w
W E or w No Mercy and all that.
Speaker 2: Maybe even still, I'm like feeling it's like a little
ambitious over it is a Lease Sports or Mario Kart. Honestly,
like there's a point he's like, oh gosh, Mario Kart
eight is played probably at so many parties, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the reality is this is probably Mario
Kart eight.
Speaker 2: It's probably actually just Mario Kart eight Deluxe. I really
liked entertaining words. You know what, Monkey Bond never came up,
but those games are always fun at party. Yeah. Absolutely,
let's target. Let's go Yep, that's.
Speaker 1: A great time for the same reason as well. It's
just one where people can hop in real quick have
a good time with Yeah. I think this is probably right.
Speaker 2: I think you would smashed intead of Mario Kart.
Speaker 1: Oh I did, thank you? Yes, I was looking away.
Let me do that real quick. All right, there we go. Okay,
so Mario Party Rock Band, jack Box Party Pack, and
Mario Kart eight Deluxe for our Mount Rushmore party games. Mike,
does that sound good?
Speaker 2: Looks great to me?
Speaker 1: All right, we'll post the list that is locked in
fantastic all right, everybody, Okay, that post the Twitter. Have
people yell at us, uh and yeah, okay, what we're
gonna do now, we'll take a quick break. We'll come back.
If there's any more super chets, we'll definitely get to
those and we'll talk about what we've been playing right
after this. All right, we're back, Mike, what have you
been playing?
Speaker 2: Somebody should go and dance stream right now and tell
him this Mount restaurant. I wanted to know what he says.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's a good idea, absolutely streaming right now.
How many people does see that watching? Oh tell me,
have twice as many people watching us, and then they
should all come over there. They should be embarrassed and
they should come over here instead the chat. Yeah all right, yeah,
I want to see response to Hero's response. That'd be great.
All right, Mike, what have you been playing?
Speaker 2: It has been a lot of Castlvania Donna Sorrow. Really,
you're super happy to have that. I want to play
my wlfare. I just want to go through all of
those people seem really I played a little bit of
the remake of Handed Castle on there. People seem very
happy with that.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to try that out for the same reason.
People seem very excited about about it.
Speaker 2: And it's basically like we got a new classic Castlevania
game again, right because there's like a full remake. So
I definitely want to do more of that. Yeah, just
been super happy to have those collections. I was able
to start the World Warcraft Expansion rail behind on that
with the travel I definitely want to delve deep into
that when I get back there's so many things I
want to play. It's so many things coming out is
kind of crazy, but it is nice to just have
these Castlevania games here. That's real easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm doing the same thing. I'm playing Donna
Sorrow and I can't stop playing it. But I am
feeling a little guilty because it's like, Okay, that guy
got like any mail from a devolver of their pr
Like here's a list of games that have come out soon.
It's like Scroll with the Guns coming out, and.
Speaker 2: It's a dance playing right now. Scroll.
Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah, And and there's a handful of others
that are like coming out back to back, and like
all those sound pretty interesting. And there's that Monster Jam game.
I want to be I want to just try, and
these are like the games are like I'm just like
interested in seeing what they are. They're like, let alone,
I want to put in another ten hours in the
Star Wars Outlaws, And there's you know, well we're gonna
get astro code here in the.
Speaker 2: Next start Outlaws. I want to and it's like yeah, guys, yep.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like start to feel pretty overwhelmed, and like,
I mean, I know there's games coming down the pipeline.
There's just going to completely take over take over my life.
So it's yeah, it's it's getting out of hand. But
Donna Sorrow is so goddamn good. I also just love
I mean obviously Metroid Venu stuff, but it's also the
fourth in this line of like Game Boy and DS
once like let alone simpaly a Night, but like simply
the Night. It's like its own thing, like up there
on a pedestal. These are like like they'll they get
a little bit more playful with these, and this is
the fourth ones. They're like, what's the upgrade path going
to be in this one? Like are we going to
give you the double jump right away? It's like, well,
here's the thing that makes you a float for a
little bit. And it's like they've definitely messed around with that.
Speaker 2: The other one, you throw a puppet and then you
swap places with the puppet and that's yes, small gaps
in the.
Speaker 1: World except and it's like that's fantastic because we like,
if you have been playing these games, you're so familiar
with the formula. Every little tweak feels like a randomizer
in some ways, and it's uh, I don't know. It's
just interesting to see how they play around with that.
I feel like I am in conversation with the people
making the game as I play it, which is always
a great feeling to have for me. But yeah, other
than that, I am been playing a little bit more
Star Wars Outlaws. But I've been trying to get a
lot of these games up and running on the Steam deck.
A lot of them are kind of early, so it's
like they aren't running great. So I did get the
lay out and got Star Wars Outlaws running on there
now and then, and then, really what I've been doing
was spending getting spending time getting the PS five so
I can stream it to my steam deck this weekend.
And that's what I've mostly been doing. I don't know
anything else from you.
Speaker 2: That's really it, Jeff, Again, a lot of stuff think
about here.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's do these super chats and let's
get the hell out of here.
Speaker 2: Mike street Shadow says, I have a top line PC
but still play primary on Xicon Console. But I like
that PC and console exists because it gains options. I
don't want a PC only future. Yeah, I think it's
important to still have consoles, whatever form that's going to take,
for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I PC the only future. Yeah. I don't think
anyone's advocating for that. Maybe some people are, but that's
not worse. I just like PC is the safe option
if you are worried about the motivation of these corporations,
that's all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for me, it's just like I find consoles as
unexciting as I ever have at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels a little bit like smartphones in a
lot of ways, where it's like I remember when that
used to be entertaining and interesting, and I would care.
I would I never bought an Apple phone, but I'd
still watch all the Apple events. I can't wait to
see what they're gonna do next. And now it's like
it's all the same shit.
Speaker 2: A d cash one four, who first talked about you know, console,
you know, not not wanting to just get a PC,
said follow up, you may have convinced me to just
play PC. You start saving reconvincing my wife my wife
to build PC four Dix J. Dicks for what you do?
You do what you want to do. I mean, you
don't do what you want to do. There's pros and
cons these things. If you have a PlayStation five or
an Xbox Series X, you still have access to a
ton of great video games enough to keep you busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Don't don't feel bad about your choices if
you're playing, if you're happy playing what you're playing. That's
that's all we're saying, Like, do the thing that you're
you're happy, and then if you begin to have problems
and it's like, hey, I've criticized this company and they're
not changing, then maybe look around. If that's where you're at.
I do recommend the PC. I'm going to be very
happy mostly playing on my Steam deck, my PC and
the switch to in the next five years, I think,
and then occasionally playing the exclusives on PlayStation and I
guess maybe on Xbox if that ever happens again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's it.
Speaker 1: I think We've got one more from Brono trigger right now.
Speaker 2: My bad Brochers is the ABC station in Philly just
posted a story about an entire cool they had to
be closed because a thriving honeybee calling he moved in coincidence,
we did it, and I will.
Speaker 1: Yell let's fucking go as many times as I want
you guys, deal with it.
Speaker 2: Fucking millennial zoomers.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling let's go to bees taking over a school.
That's what we do here, everybody, all right, Mikey, I'm
gonna hit the button, please do there's that? Actually, I
think a channels mute. We turn that out. Here we
go the.
Speaker 2: Enchanted her harpstone, fucking lore conic card. It's bevon stweets
from the new set second enchanted, very excited.
Speaker 1: Very excited. All right, Mike. This weekend we're gonna both
be at packs facts.
Speaker 2: We have to hang out. That's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we exactly. We will be able to hang out
do some fun stuff. You guys could try to make
me watch nubes and I'll avoid that.
Speaker 2: I don't really have any appointments, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 1: I just got I got the appointment with the stuff
we want to see, and then beyond that, no.
Speaker 2: I'll just tag along, yeah along, just or whatever you
want to see. I want to see some h I
don't want to see those. So while on parts you
don't know, I don't know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why did you just see it at games? Colm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just I don't know why they wouldn't just
ship that booth over honestly.
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, let's see some people chat to say're
going to be at packs on Saturday, Uh, first time? Yeah,
enjoy yourselves. Hey, if you are planning to go, we
really appreciate if you if you pinned in our our
our panels and stuff. So that's Saturday at two pm
and Saturday at two pm and Sunday at three thirty pm,
both in the Blue Dragon Theater. So get lined up
for those hang out with us. It'll be a fun time.
I don't know beyond that though, when I get back home,
I might take some time off and try to just
play some games. Yeah Blue Dragon, Microsoft's Blue Dragon.
Speaker 2: You're you're a huge money Dragon.
Speaker 1: Fan, right? Actually say Lost Odyssey? Is that the one
people like?
Speaker 2: Everybody likes Lost Odyssey? Blue Dragon is not as fondly
remembered or or as well regarded as the time even
actually right right, yeah, but you know that, man, it's
interesting to play Blue Dragon these days.
Speaker 1: You you're gonna bring any games this weekend? You're gonna
play anything? I got? Just a switch? Is that where
you're playing Castlevania? Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah right there, Yeah,
I kind of want to play that on there, but
we'll see. I did get a code for Dark Forces
on the switch, and I'm like, I played like half
of that on the steam deck. Maybe I'll just start
over on the switch because so much Yeah, I don't know,
there's just so much to play.
Speaker 2: There's those games are always fun to just you know,
when you know what you're doing to go through again,
it's kind of yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right. Everybody see you this weekend. Hopefully, if not,
we'll see you next time. Those those things should be
streaming though those panels and watches online as well. Everybody,
have a good wik take care of yourself and goodbye.
Speaker 2: All right, Jeff, let's do each other here.
Speaker 1: Hardware in the rear there Christ the right for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people shouldn't drink water.
Speaker 5: Bye, everybody, all right, break, I got your chump bike him.
Speaker 1: I'm good. Good mic gets glasses, Sure, I'll bring us up.
All right?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 1: Uh you want you want to get right back into
a mic or you want to take a break, you
need to.
Speaker 5: You have to set up the you had to set
up the the duck for the mount Oh, you got it,
all right. The thread we had a thread with some
issue from the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to do that real quick. Let me
see that we will probably we're gonna go quickly through
the thing. Everybody we get warning it fading. Yeah, and
I am getting more more terrified of missing this flight tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing. Everyone was like, Oh, get some sleep.
I'm like, I'm not worried about like not getting sleeps
like a waking up.
Speaker 1: Not waking up right. Yeah, I cannot but necessarily control
what my body does when it hears an alarm at
three thirty in the morning or something exactly. Yeah, where
it is proodcast threads, don't rush more.
Speaker 5: Party games like that episode Seinfeld with the.
Speaker 2: Worry Im Chris, by the way, you never came got
the xbox. I was gonna you're good, easier key?
Speaker 1: Why is this so way over there?
Speaker 5: Oh the key? Like that sime Field episode when the
key Sorry, I'm also fainting out.
Speaker 2: Chris is gonna knock on my door and windows? Why
will you be up already? Yeah, you gotta I'll get
you a different key.
Speaker 5: Or the key doesn't work, that's why.
Speaker 2: Well you should have came and got your xbox before
I left.
Speaker 5: Chris has a lot of ship going on, Okay.
Speaker 2: You don't defend Chris.
Speaker 1: All right, almost good. I just gotta adjust this a
little bit. There we go.
Speaker 2: When they call Chris Manati, it makes you feel all right,
all right, and bring back in break.
Speaker 5: It's not a real party until some some kids cry
because they lost on winning eleven.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, I'm going to go right back to
it post this, all right, let's do it.