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Speaker 1: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for joining us for another live stream episode of
Speaker 1: Dogman Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you joining us over the
Speaker 1: years I've been doing this over ten years. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe how many times I've heard people make the comment,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to go out and look for dogmen.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be fun? Wouldn't it be really exciting? Well,
Speaker 1: talking about it's one thing. Doing it totally different matter. Well,
Speaker 1: for tonight's show, I decided to mix things up and
Speaker 1: do things a little different. Instead of bringing an eye
Speaker 1: witness on and having them tell us about their encounter,
Speaker 1: I've got two dog man researchers on the show tonight
Speaker 1: who are going to come on and basically flesh out
Speaker 1: what it's like to go into the field looking for
Speaker 1: these things, what kind of plannings involved, what to expect
Speaker 1: when you're out there in the field. Experiences they've had
Speaker 1: both frightening and some that weren't well, without any further ado,
Speaker 1: let's just bring them in here now. Tonight's first guest
Speaker 1: is Jessica Jones aka the Cryptid Huntress, Got you in
Speaker 1: the studio, and our other guest tonight is Drew Ski
Speaker 1: with Cryptid Warfare. Justin Drew, thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having us. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 3: Good to see you guys.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Brother, You're welcome. That goes two ways. It's great to
Speaker 1: have you, and of course I really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Jess Both you and Drew are neck deep in the
Speaker 1: cryptid field and have been so for a long time.
Speaker 1: Please tell us how you got here.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. I started off as a bigfoot
Speaker 3: field researcher. That's kind of the meat and potatoes of
Speaker 3: what I do is getting out. I'm on four actually
Speaker 3: I'm on five different teams now field research teams, and
Speaker 3: I've been doing this since twenty eleven. I go out
Speaker 3: all over the southeastern region of the United States. We
Speaker 3: have several hot spots that we go and research over
Speaker 3: and over again. I've also I've even been up to
Speaker 3: New York I see Long Island. Bigfoot Mike. I've been
Speaker 3: the chat tonight, and I've been up to New York
Speaker 3: and done some cryptid hunting up there with him as well.
Speaker 3: But I pretty much stay around the Southeast, especially down
Speaker 3: here with the Cryptid Warfare Fellows with Drewski and that team.
Speaker 3: We get out and do a lot of research in
Speaker 3: the deep woods. But yeah, I just I've been in
Speaker 3: it for a while and I never ever thought I'd
Speaker 3: be talking publicly about any of this. You know, I
Speaker 3: started off with one of my teams. You know, we
Speaker 3: kind of I'm not gonna say we all had to
Speaker 3: sign NDAs and stuff. That first team I didn't. But
Speaker 3: as I progressed and got on more, you know, different
Speaker 3: teams and stuff, I just really never even thought I'd
Speaker 3: ever talk about it publicly. And but here I am,
Speaker 3: got a YouTube channel and all that today. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just love going out and chasing things in the
Speaker 3: woods at night. And I know it's it sounds kind
Speaker 3: of wild, it's not for everybody, but I got great
Speaker 3: teams and I trust everybody with my life on those teams.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I just kind of progressed from going from
Speaker 3: bigfoot field research to pretty much hunting everything that was
Speaker 3: out there. It's not that we're I'm out there hunting.
Speaker 3: I've been investigating, Okay, researching. I'm investigating, you know, with
Speaker 3: cryptid warfare, we do get out there and kind of
Speaker 3: not only investigate and do research, but we're on the
Speaker 3: hunt out there a little bit more than the other teams.
Speaker 3: And I'll let Drewskie talk about that tonight for the
Speaker 3: most part. But yeah, it's it's just a natural progression,
Speaker 3: like I said, And I got really interested in the
Speaker 3: dogman phenomenon while I was doing my bigfoot research. We
Speaker 3: were having a lot of strange tracks in the field,
Speaker 3: wolf like tracks. One of the head of one of
Speaker 3: my teams, Bob Wilson, he has passed away, passed away recently,
Speaker 3: but head of the North Georgia Cryptid Field Researchers. He
Speaker 3: was actually the regional director, Region five director of the
Speaker 3: North American Dogman Project for a long time. And that's
Speaker 3: how I learned most of what I know about dog
Speaker 3: Man was through Bob, and we would go to places
Speaker 3: like Middle Georgia. There's an area that we researched called
Speaker 3: the troop Herd Corridor, and not only do they have
Speaker 3: a lot of bigfoot activity, down there. A lot of UFOs.
Speaker 3: It's well known for mass alien abductions that happened in
Speaker 3: that area, but a lot of dogman sightings happened down there,
Speaker 3: and so that's one of our team's research areas. I
Speaker 3: was down there, I had to I had to, I
Speaker 3: had to get prepared for some dogman action. We started
Speaker 3: doing our research down there because you know, I'm used
Speaker 3: to the Bigfoot, the big foot action, but we ended up,
Speaker 3: you know, preparing for for dog ban encounters down there
Speaker 3: in that area. Also, you know, I live in the
Speaker 3: Northwest Georgia area, and it really is wonderful to have
Speaker 3: friends who work at the Sheriff's apartment where I live.
Speaker 3: Because having friends that work at the niel One call
Speaker 3: center and some of the dees I started getting, you know,
Speaker 3: I had my ear to the street, so to say,
Speaker 3: as a as a field researcher, and people that worked
Speaker 3: in those arenas knew that I did cryptid field research,
Speaker 3: and so when they would get calls in, they would
Speaker 3: let me know in regards to you know, sightings of
Speaker 3: wolf men and things like that. There's a pretty well
Speaker 3: known dog man that's been sighted in the northern part
Speaker 3: of the County that I lived in up in northwest
Speaker 3: Georgia for decades, and they actually call it, I think
Speaker 3: they call it the North Paulden Werewolf or the North
Speaker 3: Paulden dog Man, and so I actually gone out to
Speaker 3: investigate that before. It's only about I'm going to say
Speaker 3: it's about ten miles from the Edawa Indian mount maybe
Speaker 3: ten fifteen minutes from the Indian Mounds, and Vic, I
Speaker 3: know from all the people that you've had on your shows,
Speaker 3: there's there's some kind of connection to Indian Mounds, these
Speaker 3: burial mounds that we have here, especially around here in
Speaker 3: the south, and some of the dog man sightings and
Speaker 3: encounters and waterfalls too. There's a waterfall right there where
Speaker 3: these sightings have been. But that's really how I got
Speaker 3: into interested in the dogman phenomenon is because we were
Speaker 3: getting not only reports of bigfoot but also dog man
Speaker 3: as well in some of the areas that I research,
Speaker 3: and of course Bob ahead of my one of my
Speaker 3: field teams, he would go out and take reports from
Speaker 3: these investigations with the North American dog Man Project in
Speaker 3: the area where we live, because he lived not too
Speaker 3: far for me, and so he was he was that
Speaker 3: person that would go take those reports. So that's kind
Speaker 3: of how I got into it. I've always had my
Speaker 3: I got my feet wet way back in the day
Speaker 3: with all this phenomenon, and so here I am today
Speaker 3: hanging out with Drew Ski and his Scryptive Warfare operators
Speaker 3: and Survivalist team, and they're real active. We've gone on
Speaker 3: several field investigations and it's man, it's wonderful. I love it.
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, it's not for everybody, but but
Speaker 3: it's definitely for me and for Drusy too. I'm assuming, right, Drew.
Speaker 1: Jess, I really don't know how you do it all.
Speaker 1: You don't let any grass grownder your feet. I mean
Speaker 1: you're always out and about, going on research outings and
Speaker 1: hosting this show, hosting that show, being a guest on podcasts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. There's not enough
Speaker 1: time in one day.
Speaker 3: It's because I love what I do. It's not worked.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 3: This is fun. It's so much fun. I am so
Speaker 3: blessed to be able to do this and to get
Speaker 3: out and you know, I got to say, like people,
Speaker 3: I guess people are like, well, why do you even
Speaker 3: do this? It's crazy. Why would why would a girl
Speaker 3: like you go out and go dog man? Honey? Well,
Speaker 3: you know what, because I have you have to kind
Speaker 3: of have no fear about stuff, and I honestly am
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying I don't ever get scared.
Speaker 4: There have.
Speaker 3: There have definitely been times where I have I have
Speaker 3: been rattled, I guess you could say, but but I
Speaker 3: love it and I just want to know more and
Speaker 3: I want to see a dog Okay, I want to
Speaker 3: see a dog man. I've had some encounters out there
Speaker 3: that appsbsolutely I do believe could have been dog man,
Speaker 3: But I have not seen a dog man up close,
Speaker 3: face to face yet. I know from listening to your encounters, Vic,
Speaker 3: to listen to dog man encounters. It's not something that
Speaker 3: everybody looks forward to, and it's not something that people like.
Speaker 3: I know that, But like I said, it's what I
Speaker 3: do and it's what I love, and I look forward
Speaker 3: to it one day to having a up close dog
Speaker 3: man encounter.
Speaker 1: Well, if you've beaten the bushes the way you do,
Speaker 1: I think it is just a matter of time, and
Speaker 1: when you do finally have that experience, I hope it's
Speaker 1: a good one and not a bad one, because I
Speaker 1: can tell you enjoy doing this so much. It really
Speaker 1: would be a shame for a bad encounter to frighten
Speaker 1: you away from all this, because I can tell you
Speaker 1: get so much out of it. You clearly do.
Speaker 3: I do, I do, you know, And I love sharing
Speaker 3: my stories, my encounters with everybody. I don't hold anything
Speaker 3: back these days. And when I first started doing encrypted
Speaker 3: field investigations and research, it wasn't cool back then. It
Speaker 3: did to me, it was cool, but to the rest
Speaker 3: of the world, I was crazy, and so I kept
Speaker 3: it quiet. I waited ten years to even speak publicly
Speaker 3: at all about any of my field research when it
Speaker 3: came to this, because back in the day, you know,
Speaker 3: back in twenty even twenty eleven, it hadn't been that
Speaker 3: long ago. Not everybody had, you know, those big foot
Speaker 3: stickers on the back of their vehicles and stuff. It
Speaker 3: was more hush hush. And I have a background in
Speaker 3: working with in the government.
Speaker 4: I worked.
Speaker 3: I ran a steed agency for almost twenty years, and
Speaker 3: so I was not going to be telling all the
Speaker 3: people I worked with they am out there chasing bigfoot
Speaker 3: and hunting dog men when I was when I was
Speaker 3: going to work and stuff. I just didn't want to.
Speaker 3: I didn't want people to know because they already thought
Speaker 3: I was a little a little crazy, a little wild
Speaker 3: and crazy since I was going camping so often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no future in letting that cat out of
Speaker 1: the bag at work. If you let people know that,
Speaker 1: then you might get your walking paper soon. So I
Speaker 1: don't blame you for not letting that out. Drew. How
Speaker 1: about you, how'd you find yourself getting into searching for cryptids?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Man, hey, with what's going on? Guys? Vic, that's
Speaker 4: once the thanks cutting let me come on as well,
Speaker 4: and yeah, to answer your question.
Speaker 1: Hey, not to interrupt you, Drew, but you're a little quiet.
Speaker 1: Can you move closer to the michaelphone?
Speaker 4: Is that better?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit better.
Speaker 4: How about Neil?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's better there, Thank you?
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, okay. Yeah. So yeah, so basically it started, uh, well,
Speaker 4: I guess I should say back when I was like
Speaker 4: backpacking with my dad. My dad was a big time
Speaker 4: bus craft and survivalist. Guys. He's definitely a mountain man.
Speaker 4: He's he's he's pushing like late sixties and he and
Speaker 4: he still goes out in the mountains by himself, which
Speaker 4: I always wanted against him to do it, but you know,
Speaker 4: he don't care. He said, he rather die in the
Speaker 4: mountains than anywhere else, so he loves it. But anyways, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's the one who taught me a lot of like backpacking,
Speaker 4: Bushcraft's revival stuff, all that stuff. So yeah, so whenever
Speaker 4: him and I would go out, basically when I was
Speaker 4: in high school, he'd called me up and he'd be like, hey, brother,
Speaker 4: I'm going to pick you up at this time. Just
Speaker 4: make sure that your bag's ready. So so whenever he
Speaker 4: picked me up, we'd literally just packed what we put
Speaker 4: into backpack and we'd just go hiking in the mountains
Speaker 4: in Colorado. So and then at the same time we
Speaker 4: would actually figure out on you would find out quick
Speaker 4: on like what you needed and what you don't need,
Speaker 4: and what's extra weight and what's not. So but at
Speaker 4: the same time we were out there, he was just
Speaker 4: kind of like getting me prepared, like, hey, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot more things out here, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: they're just animals, so you know, according to the Native
Speaker 4: Americans and stuff like that. So he I don't know
Speaker 4: if he had a sighting or what, but he knew
Speaker 4: that there were things out there. So he always wanted me, Hey,
Speaker 4: when you're out here, respect the land. If you if
Speaker 4: you have a gut feeling that something's bad, turn around,
Speaker 4: walk away. If you hear things, you know that are
Speaker 4: out of the ordinary, you know, just turn around and
Speaker 4: just walk away. So you know, but he always, but
Speaker 4: he based He's the one who basically climbed like that
Speaker 4: seat in my head. And then uh, and then after that,
Speaker 4: it really didn't take full effect. It really didn't take
Speaker 4: full effect on me until I was in law enforcement.
Speaker 4: I worked for the State of Colorado, and basically I
Speaker 4: was a part as part of this tack team and
Speaker 4: uh we had to go. We had to go help
Speaker 4: this escape team for the State of Colorado find this
Speaker 4: escape convict. So so, me and a couple other guys
Speaker 4: were part of this tap team, which is a swat
Speaker 4: team and a couple of little alphabet agencies and uh, anyways,
Speaker 4: so we're out there in the mountains of Colorado looking
Speaker 4: for this guy. And uh so, basically in a nutshell,
Speaker 4: we were actually with this tracking team gaining ground on
Speaker 4: this on this on this guy who was wanted and
Speaker 4: as we're walking up this mountain. We actually had a
Speaker 4: bunch of different teams drop off on different parts of
Speaker 4: the mountain. We're trying to we're basically we're basically trying
Speaker 4: to corner this guy in, and it's it's basically almost
Speaker 4: like dusk going into nighttime. And as we're walking up
Speaker 4: this mountain, uh, you know, me and a couple of
Speaker 4: guys on the short team, we're hearing We're hearing things
Speaker 4: walking like paralleling us that were good like fifty to
Speaker 4: like one hundred yards out, but we couldn't see anything,
Speaker 4: but we just hear it. And then I got on
Speaker 4: my comms and radio and was standing on the guys
Speaker 4: that were like, hey, are you guys hearing anything, when
Speaker 4: they're like Roger that you know we're here. I'm hearing
Speaker 4: something on my right, and I'm like, yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 4: hearing something on my left. So we really didn't think
Speaker 4: anything of it, but we're actually just trying to pay
Speaker 4: attention to it. At the same time, we were trying
Speaker 4: to find this sed convict. So anyways, so one of
Speaker 4: the guys who was running point said hey, on three,
Speaker 4: we're going to stop real quick. One, two, three, We
Speaker 4: all stopped, and then we heard this thing on my
Speaker 4: left and then my partner had this thing on his right.
Speaker 4: They took two extra steps, and we're like, this is weird,
Speaker 4: but we're trying to bring it up on our nods,
Speaker 4: which is a night vision goggles and flare camera and
Speaker 4: all that, and nothing. We can't we can we can't
Speaker 4: see anything, but we can hear something, but we can't
Speaker 4: see it. So I knew there was some spooky stuff
Speaker 4: out there, but like I said, we really we really
Speaker 4: try not to pay attention to it because we actually
Speaker 4: hadn't objective's to find this guy. So to speed it up,
Speaker 4: we actually find this guy, we'll bring him down the mountain.
Speaker 4: We had him over to the FEDS, and then we
Speaker 4: actually had a signed basically a basically got a sound
Speaker 4: like and our reports from who what, when, why, where?
Speaker 4: Right on everything we did from start defensive. So I
Speaker 4: put in the report. At the same time we're tracking
Speaker 4: this guy, we were hearing noises to our left and
Speaker 4: to our right. And then I basically kicked that report
Speaker 4: out and then my cat and came back about half
Speaker 4: an hour later. He's like, hey, you need to change this,
Speaker 4: You need to change that, And I was like okay,
Speaker 4: and He's like, just don't get into greedy, you need
Speaker 4: to greedy details. Just take that out, all right, Roger.
Speaker 4: That So that kind of sparked my interests on Okay,
Speaker 4: it kind of brought me in the whole Bigfoot thing, like,
Speaker 4: so there's something out there for sure. And then after
Speaker 4: that I talked to my teammates about it, and one
Speaker 4: of them was gung ho about it. He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I do believe there are things out there in the
Speaker 4: mountains that we have no idea what's out there. And
Speaker 4: a lot of the other guys were like, ah, you're crazy.
Speaker 4: So I was actually in the same boat Jessica was in.
Speaker 4: I kind of got into this very underground and I
Speaker 4: really didn't let hardly anybody know about it except for
Speaker 4: my wife and maybe one or two to three people.
Speaker 4: That was it. So I started going out on backpacking
Speaker 4: trips and stuff on the weekends with me and like
Speaker 4: two other guys, and we would just go out just
Speaker 4: to see, you know, if we would collect any evidence
Speaker 4: or just to see if we see anything or Avenue Streme.
Speaker 4: But really wasn't no fucking Colorado. But then after twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: I moved over here to Tennessee. And then one of
Speaker 4: the guys out in my church. He was ahead of
Speaker 4: a security team, and my wife told him a little
Speaker 4: bit about me, and about like six months later of
Speaker 4: us living here, I seen him with the bigfoot hat
Speaker 4: on and I kind of made a comment. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: so I like that hat. Man, so do you believe
Speaker 4: or do you like it? Just because it's starting to
Speaker 4: become like a pop culture thing. And he pulls me aside.
Speaker 4: He's like, are you like, do you like legit believe
Speaker 4: in these things? Or no? I was and I told him, well,
Speaker 4: that's the reason why I'm asking you in and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: well I go out and research for these things. I
Speaker 4: was like, awesome, I'd like to do that too. When
Speaker 4: could we do it? And he's like, man, I got
Speaker 4: a sponsored big foot hunt coming up if you want
Speaker 4: to go. I'm like, hey, yeah, man, let's do it.
Speaker 4: So that kind of sped up that thing, and in
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, I just kind of took the ground running
Speaker 4: here in Tennessee, I should say, so to where we're
Speaker 4: at now. So I just kind of gathered all the
Speaker 4: guys on my team. Every year, I just kind of
Speaker 4: vet guys. And you know, you know, because a lot
Speaker 4: of guys you got in my team or ex military,
Speaker 4: ex law enforcement, xpounding under you know, survivalist stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So we're all the same mindset, you know, and you know,
Speaker 4: we just want to go out there and research and
Speaker 4: you know, to basically to basically prove to the world
Speaker 4: that a lot of these people who have encounters that
Speaker 4: they're not crazy there are they are real, they are legit,
Speaker 4: and that way, you know, we can have some closure
Speaker 4: for all the nasayers, I should say. So other than that,
Speaker 4: I want to give a shout out to all the
Speaker 4: guys on my team real Quick co Dunk, t b X,
Speaker 4: Juice and and wem In And then also I guess
Speaker 4: Amber wanted to give her a shout out, So hey,
Speaker 4: what's up Amber? And yeah, man, that's basically how I
Speaker 4: got into it here in Tennessee. So I just went
Speaker 4: from there at the Grandma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd say you did. Drew. You describe yourself as
Speaker 1: being a warrior of the Almighty, his devotion to Christ
Speaker 1: as some wavering How'd you come to have such a
Speaker 1: strong sense of faith?
Speaker 4: Well, I should say yes, I'll just put it in
Speaker 4: a nutshell my stepdad's the one who introduced me and
Speaker 4: my mom to Christ. So yeah, so in a nutshell, like,
Speaker 4: my dad divorced my mom when I was three, and
Speaker 4: my mom went on the street for a little while,
Speaker 4: and then we actually got a hold of my aunt
Speaker 4: and I was started living with her, and my mom
Speaker 4: married this guy when I was eight. He introduced us
Speaker 4: to Christ. And yeah, after that, I just I was
Speaker 4: just I was just a fame for the Bible. Man,
Speaker 4: I just I just read that thing like like nothing,
Speaker 4: you know. And not only that, you know, like not
Speaker 4: having like a father figure for a while. I really
Speaker 4: I really got it when it came to Jesus, you know,
Speaker 4: not having a physical father, and not only that house
Speaker 4: as in scripture. You know, if you don't have a
Speaker 4: father or a mother, you know, you actually have God,
Speaker 4: you know, who actually sits close to you, you know, more
Speaker 4: than a friend. So I really definitely held onto that,
Speaker 4: and not only that, just seeing things in my life,
Speaker 4: like looking back at it, you know, I can really
Speaker 4: tell God was there in a in a big way.
Speaker 4: And not only that, I I look at him as
Speaker 4: my lord and savior, but I also look at him
Speaker 4: as a father as well as a dad. So you know,
Speaker 4: I just I don't know, it's just just just that thing, man.
Speaker 4: I just I definitely just definitely just want to have
Speaker 4: a relationship with them every day. Man. So that's that's
Speaker 4: what I strived to do. And not only that, too,
Speaker 4: really brought brought open in the Bible for me. Wasn't
Speaker 4: was in Genesis six and then Psalms that he two,
Speaker 4: you know, the phone a just came down and basically
Speaker 4: in a nutshell, how they Florida came to with women,
Speaker 4: how they did sin against the plants and the animals,
Speaker 4: and also too an Revelation six eight. It really popped
Speaker 4: out to me, how how the third of mankind are
Speaker 4: going to be devoured by the beasts of the earth.
Speaker 4: So they're just like, what the just yeah, So anyways, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's all I got. I'm just going on a tangent.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, that's all right. Well it goes without saying
Speaker 1: I love the way you think. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: an element of spiritual warfare going on and that explains
Speaker 1: why cryptids are here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do, one hundred percent. It's that's basically how
Speaker 4: I told Jessica one time. I think cryptids are in
Speaker 4: three categories right to me, they're kind of like now,
Speaker 4: you know, like person's place or things. So I do
Speaker 4: believe that there's a spiritual side of it. I do
Speaker 4: believe there's a physical side of it. And I do
Speaker 4: believe that's there's a governmental side of it. And you know,
Speaker 4: and there's there's been a lot of cases where it
Speaker 4: comes to UFOs, big foots, dog man, how people use
Speaker 4: in the name of Jesus to condemn these things, and
Speaker 4: a lot of them have stopped, have stopped them in
Speaker 4: their tracks and they've walked away. So you know, I've
Speaker 4: I've noticed, you know, there's a your power in the
Speaker 4: name of Jesus. And yeah, and not only that, just
Speaker 4: doing just basically doing just that, a lot of researching
Speaker 4: on part of my language on how to kill these
Speaker 4: things if the time came to it, if you're being
Speaker 4: threatened with your life or or you're trying to protect
Speaker 4: your family. There's some elements of spirituality on when it
Speaker 4: comes to deal with these things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well a lot of people talk about that.
Speaker 1: Some people swear up and down that they have to
Speaker 1: be demonic entities straight from Hell, and that's how they
Speaker 1: do so many of the things. They do, and I
Speaker 1: can't argue with that. Other people have their opinions on
Speaker 1: what these things are, so you have the opinions run
Speaker 1: the gamut. But it really is awfully hard to explain
Speaker 1: the way all these things they do by just saying
Speaker 1: that they are flesh and blood creatures out there trying
Speaker 1: to make a living. I've got to give you that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, Jess.
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned a bit ago, you have a team
Speaker 1: of researchers that you put together who help you go
Speaker 1: out and research cryptids. Me if you decided to put
Speaker 1: that team together instead of going it alone.
Speaker 3: Well, I actually joined. I joined some of those teams. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm not actually the organizer of those teams.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm on, I'm going to say five now,
Speaker 3: five five research teams. I didn't go. I didn't start
Speaker 3: off looking for you know, bigfoot and cryptis and dog
Speaker 3: men on my own. I was invited to go on
Speaker 3: to expedition for the very first time, just because out
Speaker 3: of my curiosity, I talked to a group of some
Speaker 3: big foot field researchers out of North Georgia. They invited
Speaker 3: me out and so I took the opportunity listen I
Speaker 3: never turned out an opportunity to do something really crazy. Okay,
Speaker 3: So that's kind of that's kind of how it all
Speaker 3: started was I I wanted to have an experience. I
Speaker 3: wanted to see a bigfoot and and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: what better way than to go into the woods with
Speaker 3: a bunch of strange dudes by myself and just go
Speaker 3: just you know, let's let's just go see what happens.
Speaker 3: And and so that's what I did. And I'm I
Speaker 3: had so much crazy stuff that happened during that expedition
Speaker 3: as far as cryptids go, that I got. I got
Speaker 3: sucked into it. I literally got sucked into it. I
Speaker 3: couldn't I couldn't walk away from it after seeing the
Speaker 3: things that I saw and experiencing the things that I experienced.
Speaker 3: So and it's it's interesting because a lot of those teams,
Speaker 3: like three of those teams actually are kind of rollovers
Speaker 3: of you know where it's kind of the same people
Speaker 3: and a couple of those teams, but it's just in
Speaker 3: different regions. Like one of my teams, like ERG is
Speaker 3: kind of based in North Georgia ASOG and Nominalist Studies
Speaker 3: and Observation Group. They're kind of based more out of
Speaker 3: kind of like Alabama and West Georgia. North Georgia Cryptid
Speaker 3: Researchers is also kind of in Northwest Georgia Seekers now
Speaker 3: is kind of what North Georgia Cryptid Researchers used to be.
Speaker 3: That's our new group. That's kind of the true Heard
Speaker 3: Corridor area down in Middle Georgia. And now I've got
Speaker 3: Cryptid Warfare Operators and they're based out of Tennessee. But
Speaker 3: we pretty much have done investigations all over from you know,
Speaker 3: Alabama to Tennessee in North Georgia actually recently, so you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm pretty particular about who I go out
Speaker 3: in the woods with and who I do research with
Speaker 3: because it is it's well, first of all, it's dangerous,
Speaker 3: and I have pretty particular because you know, it's really
Speaker 3: important for everybody to have an open mind about what
Speaker 3: goes on out there, because you know, you go out there,
Speaker 3: you might want to go look for Bigfoot and do
Speaker 3: some research on that, but chances are you're going to
Speaker 3: run into other things. And that includes dog men, that
Speaker 3: includes even ets, portals, you name it. My team has
Speaker 3: encountered a lot of strange things, a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff that we weren't expecting, let's just say,
Speaker 3: out there. So I think it's important I never ever
Speaker 3: go out in the woods by myself. I don't recommend that.
Speaker 3: I know there are people who go and research alone,
Speaker 3: and that's okay to each his own. But I'm real
Speaker 3: big on this missing four one one phenomenon. Okay, all
Speaker 3: these missing people at our national parks, and of course
Speaker 3: we do a lot of our research. Most of my
Speaker 3: research is done at national and state parks across the
Speaker 3: South where there are clusters of missing people. So I
Speaker 3: don't do it on my own. You know, here's another
Speaker 3: little aspect too. I'm a mom and I have a kid,
Speaker 3: and I don't take him to these dangerous places. He
Speaker 3: does not go, you know, researching with me with my teams.
Speaker 3: But if we go camping, you know, if it's something
Speaker 3: that's just kind of fun and it's safer to bring him,
Speaker 3: I do take him out there. Of Course, we've got
Speaker 3: to raise up the next generation of cryptid field researchers somehow,
Speaker 3: so he's out there doing that. But I'm real particular
Speaker 3: about it about taking in places because it can be
Speaker 3: very dangerous out there, and safety is first and you know,
Speaker 3: you turn your back for one second, person behind, he's
Speaker 3: gone forever. Okay, So so yeah, don't to the audience,
Speaker 3: everybody who's listening, please don't go out in the woods
Speaker 3: by yourself, unless, especially unless you tell somebody where you're going.
Speaker 3: Have a GPS, you know, spot device, just let somebody
Speaker 3: know where you're going. Don't go alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always really good advice. Jess. You do tons
Speaker 1: of field research and don't seem to be too afraid
Speaker 1: of going places that a lot of researchers just wouldn't go,
Speaker 1: or at least would be really reluctant to go. Have
Speaker 1: you ever come to regret that?
Speaker 3: I have never regretted it.
Speaker 4: No, not once.
Speaker 3: I can't think of a single time I've regretted it.
Speaker 3: I go out there with like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I've got my teams and I trust my life with
Speaker 3: everyone out there like I would. I would lay my
Speaker 3: life down for every single person on every one of
Speaker 3: my teams that I'm on, and they would do the
Speaker 3: same for me, and I know they would. So no,
Speaker 3: I've never regretted it. Actually, the scarier the better, in
Speaker 3: my book, I know it sounds crazy, but I do
Speaker 3: this for the purpose of the experience of it and
Speaker 3: to to I want to I want to see all
Speaker 3: that life has to offer and all the cryptids that
Speaker 3: are out there, and and you know, and my teams
Speaker 3: actually take a really interesting approach to the research. And
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to go out there with that
Speaker 3: first team that I ever went out with, Enigma Research Group.
Speaker 3: Those gentlemen had had already established a relationship and established
Speaker 3: that cryptids did inhabit this area that they researched. So
Speaker 3: it went from they had already gone past that level
Speaker 3: of like, oh, let's see improve and get the castings,
Speaker 3: you know, the footprint cast and you know, the evidence,
Speaker 3: the hair evidence, all that stuff. I mean, the team
Speaker 3: was already full of you know, former you know, military
Speaker 3: guys and also wildlife biologists. I mean, you name it,
Speaker 3: I mean, nuclear physicists or on my team, we have
Speaker 3: we have such a wide variety of people on that team.
Speaker 3: But they had already established that cryptids inhabited this area.
Speaker 3: They had moved on from that aspect to well, now
Speaker 3: we're trying to communicate with them, Okay, so we know
Speaker 3: they're there, We've established there there, We've been going there
Speaker 3: for decades now we're going to start communicating with them.
Speaker 3: And they were focusing on like a mind, body spirit
Speaker 3: connection to cryptids, which was mind blowing to me because
Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned the spiritual warfare aspect of it,
Speaker 3: and there is something. There's more to these cryptids, dog men, bigfoot,
Speaker 3: whatever's out there, there's more to it than just being
Speaker 3: flesh and bone, and there's a spiritual aspect to it.
Speaker 3: There's a and I do believe like through all my
Speaker 3: experience of encountering cryptids out there, there's different types. It's
Speaker 3: just like humans. Okay, Like there's some let's just say,
Speaker 3: let's say bigfoot because that's my specialty, right. There's some
Speaker 3: that are just constantly out there looking for food and
Speaker 3: they're animalistic. There's some that are very like telepathic and
Speaker 3: we'll communicate with humans, okay, and just a little more
Speaker 3: advanced or a lot more advanced than some, just like
Speaker 3: just like humans. I hate to say that. I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to diss on humans, you know, but some people
Speaker 3: are a little more advanced than others. Okay, I'm just
Speaker 3: saying and I mean that in the sweetest, nicest way,
Speaker 3: I promise, but it's just the truth. And I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just like Lord, there are humans that
Speaker 3: are loving and gentle, and then there's humans that will
Speaker 3: eat you just like we're cryptids. So that is that's
Speaker 3: been my experience. But yeah, it's it's interesting to say
Speaker 3: the least. But yeah, did I hope they answered your question?
Speaker 1: That did Yeah, definitely never a dull moment. Now when
Speaker 1: you do what you do and Drew as well, Drew,
Speaker 1: what would you say has been the most intense experience
Speaker 1: that you've had in the field And did it almost
Speaker 1: cause you to hang it all up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually had a certain incident over in Mountain City, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: This was like two years ago. This is when I
Speaker 4: was starting to build up basically been all starting to
Speaker 4: build up with the guys in my team. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so so one of the guys on my team, we
Speaker 4: man he he was a big proponent on Reddit and
Speaker 4: Facebook and stuff like that. So we would because right now,
Speaker 4: this organization I got CW operations as well. They try
Speaker 4: to help people that are having problems right with these things.
Speaker 4: So we're trying to try to give him some advice,
Speaker 4: you know, basically trying to act like consultants stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And if we need be you know where just to
Speaker 4: protect these guys, you know, if it comes to prayer,
Speaker 4: spiritual stuff or if not physically, you know, we set
Speaker 4: up and we just you know, just to walk in.
Speaker 4: But anyways, in a nutshell, the guy on our team,
Speaker 4: we man, he he did a lot of online stuff
Speaker 4: and all that. So he hit me up and he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I think we got something over in Mountain City, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: That's basically on the eastern tip where Tennessee meets meets
Speaker 4: like the Carolina, so it's like right as right, like
Speaker 4: the Appalachian Mountain start and all that. So anyways, yes,
Speaker 4: this lady contacted him and she's basically saying that that
Speaker 4: in her house backs up to the mountains, and there's
Speaker 4: been like a lot of homeless you know, getting killed
Speaker 4: out there according to like accordance like the law enforcement
Speaker 4: with like basically with just with like like a animal
Speaker 4: attacks and stuff like that. And only that there's been
Speaker 4: like a lot of like mutilations when it comes to
Speaker 4: cattle chicken stuff like that. So and they actually had
Speaker 4: like a lot of logging roads out there, and a
Speaker 4: couple of like the loggers were kind of spooked, you know,
Speaker 4: to go out to go out a little ways. So
Speaker 4: and then so then had some more digging. We talked
Speaker 4: to local law enforcement. They told us there's been a
Speaker 4: lot of situations af there, people go on thisss and stuff.
Speaker 4: So we're like, hey, we're actually on the right track.
Speaker 4: So we're just we'll watch you plant it out and
Speaker 4: we'llatch you. We'll go out there. So I got my
Speaker 4: team of guys to go. And the next thing, I know,
Speaker 4: a lot of guys have like scheduling conflicts. So but
Speaker 4: we actually promised this lady that we'd actually go out there.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, screw it, let's
Speaker 4: just go. So there was only three of us that
Speaker 4: went instead of the usual seven, so I will never
Speaker 4: do that again. But anyways, uh so we actually went
Speaker 4: out there. We talked to her, we talked to we
Speaker 4: talked to some locals. We talked to a couple of
Speaker 4: couple of guys in law enforcement, and they pointed us
Speaker 4: in the right direction. They're like, hey, you can go
Speaker 4: down like these certain logging roads. It gets pretty heavy
Speaker 4: out there, you know, if you can, you know, just
Speaker 4: be careful, protect your guyself if you need be and
Speaker 4: you know, just let us know what time, like you're
Speaker 4: going to be leaving tomorrow and all that, and we're like, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: So we basically gave them all the details and infro,
Speaker 4: so they point us in the right direction. So we
Speaker 4: start driving on these logging roads and we're going miles
Speaker 4: and miles of deep and so we go basically as
Speaker 4: far as the truck can go, and then we get
Speaker 4: out and we hike like a little ways in and
Speaker 4: it basically ends up in like this little holler. You
Speaker 4: got like these rolling hills and these mountains like on
Speaker 4: all side of us. And so I'm the type of guy,
Speaker 4: being a survivalist and law enforcement and stuff, I always
Speaker 4: try to set a perimeter along based like a fifty
Speaker 4: foot perimeter along all the way around our campsite. So
Speaker 4: as the guys were setting up camp, that's what I
Speaker 4: was doing. And then it's pushing like ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: He gets the fire going, and I'm the Taylor tea.
Speaker 4: I'm actually vetting them at this time. So he wants
Speaker 4: to go out, he wants to be a part of
Speaker 4: the team, but he's actually still he's on that line
Speaker 4: where he's a skeptic and he's not. So he does
Speaker 4: believe that there's things out there, but you know, he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm the type of guy I have to I have
Speaker 4: to physically hear it or see it or just you know,
Speaker 4: be in that situation. So I'm like, well, this seems
Speaker 4: like a good opportunity for you. So yeah, he's yeah,
Speaker 4: So so he came along. But anyways, so after they
Speaker 4: get done to cooking dinner and stuff, we're just sitting
Speaker 4: down eating and then and then we mean goes in
Speaker 4: his tent and he's like, hey, guys, I'm gonna crash
Speaker 4: out a little bit. It's been a long day. I'm like, ye,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go for it. So me and Tear at
Speaker 4: the fire, just just showing out, sitting down, just talking,
Speaker 4: and it's pushed him, like twelve o'clock at night and
Speaker 4: fire starting to die down a little bit. And for
Speaker 4: everybody going on the side, note on what Jessica said,
Speaker 4: if you guys are going out there, bring you something
Speaker 4: to protect yourself with, fair mace, a firearm, a knife, something,
Speaker 4: you know, go with multiple people, because let's say hypothetically,
Speaker 4: if something happens, you break your leg or something you
Speaker 4: buy yourself, you wrestle. Well, guys, you know you're basically screwed,
Speaker 4: so you know, you always have somebody there to help
Speaker 4: you out. We call him battle buddies, so you know,
Speaker 4: thank God for battle buddies. But anyways, so him and
Speaker 4: I are just sitting there chatting. Next thing we know,
Speaker 4: we're hearing some rocks and some tree branches break about
Speaker 4: a good five hundred yards up from us on the
Speaker 4: north side, coming down this mountain. And then my buddy
Speaker 4: Tea looks at me and he's like, what's that, man,
Speaker 4: someone coming down the mountain. I'm like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I think so. And so we're just listening and we're
Speaker 4: hearing this thing just come down the mountain. So I'm
Speaker 4: thinking it's a deer or whatnot. He is too, and
Speaker 4: then this thing ends up but a good one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty yards away from us, and not mind you,
Speaker 4: it's actually pitched black out there, and we hear stop.
Speaker 4: And then next thing we know, we hear something on
Speaker 4: the on the left of us start moving, and then
Speaker 4: we hear something on the right of us running. There's
Speaker 4: the difference. If any of you guys are hunters out
Speaker 4: there or been in the woods long enough you know
Speaker 4: the difference between someone running by petal or something running
Speaker 4: on four legs. So we heard something by petal running
Speaker 4: on the left of us, I'm not sorry, on the
Speaker 4: on the right of us. And as we're focusing and
Speaker 4: we're just quiet, next thing, you know, like the north
Speaker 4: alarm goes off. So what sucks about, Hey, what's going on? Larry?
Speaker 4: What sucks about those certain type of alarms that I
Speaker 4: actually put up is that I have to go physically.
Speaker 4: I actually have to go physically check them and set
Speaker 4: them up again. So that's what we had to do.
Speaker 4: So then so basically, basically, the north alarm goes off,
Speaker 4: we get in front of assault mode, rifles up, and
Speaker 4: we just go towards the alarm and I reset it.
Speaker 4: I didn't hear anything at the south of warm. Next thing,
Speaker 4: we know, you're cutting out?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Oh? Is that better? Yeah? I can hear you.
Speaker 1: Okay, hopefully want to be other problems. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a Wi fi issue, but yeah, you're cutting
Speaker 1: in and out there, So I'm sorry to interrupt. Please continue.
Speaker 4: So basically, nutsh All, the alarms were going off and
Speaker 4: it was getting pretty hairy, so I literally just picked
Speaker 4: a tree trunk about a good twenty yards away, and
Speaker 4: I just popped off for his shots. Boone, boom, boom,
Speaker 4: And the next thing we know, four wheelers are crashing
Speaker 4: through the freaking trees. So next thing we know, Paul
Speaker 4: jumps out of the tent. He's like, hey, man, you
Speaker 4: guys good. I'm like, yeah, man, I think I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure we had contact. He's like, well, yeah, I heard
Speaker 4: that gunfire. So I got up real quick, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I think I think we're okay. Now He's like, okay, man,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go back in the tent and just
Speaker 4: chill out. But I'll leave my flap open and the tent.
Speaker 4: I'm like, a right man. So me and Tea are
Speaker 4: just kind of like bug eyed listening, and he's kind
Speaker 4: of he's kind of freaking out a little bit. So
Speaker 4: next thing we know, it starts to rain. The fire
Speaker 4: dies out, so me and Tea decide, you know, just
Speaker 4: to go on our tents. So everything kind of dies down. Well,
Speaker 4: he goes asleep. I'm not I'm seriously wide awake. I
Speaker 4: throw in my night vision, I prone out in my tent.
Speaker 4: I got my rifle up and ready, and I'm just chilling,
Speaker 4: just watching, just listening. Well, I start to doze off,
Speaker 4: and next thing I know, I wake up here in
Speaker 4: like a zombie like like that. But I get out
Speaker 4: of my tent real quick and I look and it's
Speaker 4: tea and he's throwing up And next thing I know,
Speaker 4: the alarm behind him goes off. The tree starts shaking,
Speaker 4: and next thing I know, all the alarms go off
Speaker 4: on every side of us. So he gets up, I
Speaker 4: get up. I start firing a certain tree trunk. Because
Speaker 4: here's the deal. If you guys are carrying weapons out
Speaker 4: there and you don't know what you're shooting at, don't
Speaker 4: do it. You know, just pick a tree trunk, you know,
Speaker 4: just do like a warning shot, because you don't know
Speaker 4: if it's a human, you don't know if it's a partners,
Speaker 4: you don't know, if it's anything like that. But if
Speaker 4: you want to give a warning shot, just pick a
Speaker 4: giant tree or fire off the ground or something just
Speaker 4: to basically, you know, just to give him a warning
Speaker 4: or just to scare people away. So that's basically what
Speaker 4: we did. So you know, we did not want to
Speaker 4: fire in the dark, in the middle of nothing. You
Speaker 4: know and not knowing what we're shooting at, but we
Speaker 4: wanted to give a warning, so that's basically what we did.
Speaker 4: So I picked a tree trunk, He picked the tree trunk,
Speaker 4: and we just fired five shots from my ars. Boom
Speaker 4: boom boom, boom boom, and then these things stick off
Speaker 4: running again. So we're like, I'm like, dude, they're freaking
Speaker 4: toying with us. Well, T was like, dude, what the
Speaker 4: heck's going on with me? So I kind of educated
Speaker 4: him on infrasound. I was like, look, man, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: First of all, I want to know what happened to you.
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, I know all of us ate
Speaker 4: the same thing. You're fine. We was fine. All I
Speaker 4: heard behind me I woke up here in like a
Speaker 4: grunt like that almost kind like a monkey sound, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the heck is that? So I sit
Speaker 4: up on my cot and then I hear a big
Speaker 4: growl like a grunt, and he said it felt like
Speaker 4: somebody hit me with the bat on my back, and
Speaker 4: next thing I know, my head starts to spend. So
Speaker 4: I get out of my tent and it get some
Speaker 4: air and I'm looking up at the stars and everything
Speaker 4: that starts spinning and I just start throwing up and
Speaker 4: I feel like my insides are shaken. And then as
Speaker 4: I'm throwing up, I hear you come out. I see you,
Speaker 4: and then the alarms go off and that's when and
Speaker 4: that's when all hell breaks, Lucy said so, and then
Speaker 4: he kind of started to tear up a little bit
Speaker 4: and he's like, dude, like I I one hundred percent
Speaker 4: believe there's there are things out here that that that
Speaker 4: seriously that go bump in the night and people see stuff.
Speaker 4: And he's like, I am totally one hundred percent in, man,
Speaker 4: I'm all the way in. So yeah, So after that though,
Speaker 4: we set up the whole night. After that, Vic, we
Speaker 4: set up the whole night. We had about a good
Speaker 4: three to four hours left until the sun came up.
Speaker 4: So him and I were like back to back just
Speaker 4: listening to these things test the perimeter, you know, shaking
Speaker 4: trays a little bit, doing grunts, and they're just walking.
Speaker 4: They're just they're basically just keeping out of sight. So
Speaker 4: we're basically throwing up our rifles with the with the
Speaker 4: freakingar ar lasers and lights and stuff. We can't see anything,
Speaker 4: but we know they're right outside. They're literally right outside
Speaker 4: the freaking light. Man. So I throw on my night vision.
Speaker 4: I can't see anything, but I hear them. Man. So,
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're a cloaking I don't know
Speaker 4: if they're far enough out. But these things are amazing
Speaker 4: for how heavy they are. They can be quiet, they
Speaker 4: can be stealthy. Day sayious just amazed me. But after
Speaker 4: that the sun came up, everything got quiet. Little we
Speaker 4: we got up. Toy soldier got up and he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: I heard you guys popping off some shots again. We're good.
Speaker 4: I was like, tell you what, since you didn't interact,
Speaker 4: you're cooking breakfast me and Ti. You're gonna go out
Speaker 4: and see if you see anything. So he started cooking breakfast,
Speaker 4: Me and Tea went outside the perimeter just to see
Speaker 4: if we can see any footprints or anything like that.
Speaker 4: The problem was this was in the middle of November.
Speaker 4: Of course, you guys live in the south. All the
Speaker 4: leaves have fallen by then. You know, everything's just straight up,
Speaker 4: just much. So we didn't see any footprints because of
Speaker 4: course all the leaves were covering everything. But we saw pathways.
Speaker 4: Pathways are where these things came down. So we followed this,
Speaker 4: followed this path that was going south. We go up
Speaker 4: this ridge, and as soon as we crest the top
Speaker 4: of this ridge, it was just the Appalachian mountains as
Speaker 4: far as we can see him in and then that's
Speaker 4: when it totally hit Tea. He's like, dude, these things
Speaker 4: were coming in. They smelt our food. Of course they
Speaker 4: seen us a mile off, and they were just coming
Speaker 4: out here, you know, just to investigate us. And I
Speaker 4: told him, I was like, man, if we would have
Speaker 4: hit one of these things, bro, it could have been
Speaker 4: really really bad. And honestly, I don't think we would
Speaker 4: have made it out live, man, because these two two, three, five,
Speaker 4: five six and can do nothing. Dog I go. Not
Speaker 4: only that I packed eight mags, you only packed two mags,
Speaker 4: and Paul only brought his pistol. So that was stupid, stupid, stupid.
Speaker 4: And I'm never doing this again without bringing more than
Speaker 4: without bringing more than at least five guys. And we're
Speaker 4: coming definitely more heavy powered rifles and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But as far as that, you know, we're out here
Speaker 4: just to having the experience, well you straight up got it.
Speaker 4: And that kind of actually set me back for about
Speaker 4: a good six to eight months. Man, Like I kind
Speaker 4: of had to like get like my whole ground and
Speaker 4: you know, just you know, basically just like rethink on
Speaker 4: what I need to do and kind of just like
Speaker 4: chill out from the woods a little bit because it
Speaker 4: got pretty hairy pretty quick.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: So that's yeah, that's one of the It's actually one
Speaker 4: of the scary moments I've had. Not only that, I
Speaker 4: felt like I had to protect Tea as well and
Speaker 4: Paul because I was kind of the veteran part of it.
Speaker 4: I've been doing this longer in anybody. But I totally regretted, like, man,
Speaker 4: I should have brought more guys. I should have brought
Speaker 4: more guys at least, and yeah, man, all of us
Speaker 4: were scared, for sure scared. So yeah, that's prot of
Speaker 4: the most scary moments I've had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand why you were scared. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: pretty intense, and everyone's got a plan until they get hit.
Speaker 1: You never know how you are going to respond when
Speaker 1: that punch finally does come in. But you didn't freeze up.
Speaker 1: You jumped into action and you took care of business.
Speaker 1: So you're definitely a doer. Just from what I understand,
Speaker 1: some guys in your team researching in North Carolina and
Speaker 1: not all that long ago, and they unfortunately ran into
Speaker 1: some people they didn't expect to see. Please expand on
Speaker 1: that for us, Oh.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, there was. We had a team up there
Speaker 3: and I've got several of my teammates that live up
Speaker 3: around North Carolina. And I'm not going to say the
Speaker 3: exact location, but it's around the National Forest up there.
Speaker 3: It's very well known and they were doing some just
Speaker 3: some crypto research. I know Bob was up there, David
Speaker 3: Pardue was there. Just just a few of my guys
Speaker 3: were up there, and they said they were just kind
Speaker 3: of chilling out and had had a bunch of activity
Speaker 3: throughout the weekend. I think they were out there for
Speaker 3: a weekend, and one day these gentlemen just come trotting
Speaker 3: out of the woods wearing full swat gear. They said
Speaker 3: they had on you know, their their bulletproof, you know,
Speaker 3: their kevlar, carrying their ars and stuff or whatever kind
Speaker 3: of weapons they had, and like military guys, but they didn't.
Speaker 4: They weren't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like specific military gear, but they were dressed
Speaker 3: very militaristic and my guys were like, well, what are
Speaker 3: y'all doing out here? Like, what are y'all doing? And
Speaker 3: they looked at them and they said, well, we're doing
Speaker 3: the same thing y'all are doing, and then they walked off.
Speaker 3: Now this is in the deep woods of the National Forest,
Speaker 3: North Carolina. So I am positive that's what you're referring to, VIC,
Speaker 3: because that is a something that's imprinted in all of
Speaker 3: us as researchers. It gives some validity to some of
Speaker 3: these claims that there is government involvement with the dog men.
Speaker 4: And Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: And you know, this is a national park where there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of different cryptid sightings. My buddy David, he'll
Speaker 3: be coming on my show actually in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: He has videos of little people in this National forest.
Speaker 3: He has a long term relationship where he's gone out
Speaker 3: and watched his little baby bigfoot have grown into big
Speaker 3: bigfoots and has gotten video footage of all of it.
Speaker 3: Is really they've kind of grown up with him. He's
Speaker 3: grown up with them out there in North Carolina. But
Speaker 3: dog man sightings in this area as well. But it
Speaker 3: was one hundred percent true. It did happen. There were
Speaker 3: men that came out of those woods dressed in military
Speaker 3: style uniforms, not specific any kind of military, any kind
Speaker 3: of you know, swat team, but they were dressed like it,
Speaker 3: and they were clearly with some sort of agency, let's
Speaker 3: just say, and so they were doing the same thing
Speaker 3: that they were doing in that national forest.
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump to conclusions here, I just
Speaker 1: want to verify. I know it's not lost on you
Speaker 1: that it's been said that government agencies will send teams
Speaker 1: operatives out there to hunt rogue dog men that are dangerous.
Speaker 1: From saying what you just did, does that mean that
Speaker 1: you do subscribe to the idea that the government does that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. Actually, I do believe it after that testimony,
Speaker 3: after what the guys told us happened out there. I mean,
Speaker 3: there are a big group of my friends out there
Speaker 3: that encountered those guys. So yes, one hundred percent, I
Speaker 3: do believe that. And as a matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: have a good friend who does bigfoot and dog man research.
Speaker 3: It's not that he's even doing a lot of research.
Speaker 3: He's more just had a lot of encounters up in
Speaker 3: the not the Catskill, the Adirondacks, up in New York,
Speaker 3: he is. Actually I don't want to. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get into specifics. He actually I don't know what
Speaker 3: if he wants to share with the public.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is someone who I'm pretty good friends with. He
Speaker 3: has has some knowledge actually of some military stuff that's
Speaker 3: gone down. Let's just say, not through him, but someone else.
Speaker 3: I have been sent some some videos of helicopters. I
Speaker 3: guess it was like somebody filming from a helicopter. They
Speaker 3: were chasing down bigfoots and stuff. I didn't see the
Speaker 3: final whatever happened at the end of it, but there
Speaker 3: was definitely it was definitely some night vision and from
Speaker 3: the viewpoint of someone sitting in a helicopter and they
Speaker 3: were chasing down bigfoots for apparently elimination or extermination I
Speaker 3: guess would be the word. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just imagine the stories those people would have to tell. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd have some Jim d andies. Before we move on,
Speaker 1: I want to put an announcement out there so that
Speaker 1: you know, on Monday Night, Hondo from episode one thirty.
Speaker 1: He's a Special Forces operative who had a dog meann
Speaker 1: encounter and he came on episode one thirty to tell
Speaker 1: us about it. Well, he's had some things happened since
Speaker 1: that episode aired. That was way back in January, I
Speaker 1: think of what twenty seventeen. But nonetheless, he'll be back
Speaker 1: on Monday night for a special midweek live stream episode
Speaker 1: of the show. So do the best. You cannot to
Speaker 1: miss that. That's going to be when you want to
Speaker 1: catch moving forward, Drew. Have you ever had an experience
Speaker 1: like that where you ran into, apparently with quotation marks,
Speaker 1: government operatives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, like I said, going back to when we
Speaker 4: were extracting that that escaped convict, as we're coming down
Speaker 4: the mountain, like I said, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: three letter alphabet agencies out there helping us out too.
Speaker 4: So as soon as we got there, these guys in
Speaker 4: U in black BDUs and stuff went up after us.
Speaker 4: Like as soon as we were walking down and they
Speaker 4: were walking up, these guys were full kidd same stuff
Speaker 4: we got, but there were different colors. They didn't have
Speaker 4: any insignias on them or nothing like that. They just
Speaker 4: had numbers, and uh, we just thought that was weird.
Speaker 4: But we just thought they were going up there, you know,
Speaker 4: should kind of be kind of kind of like the
Speaker 4: cleanup crew kind of the guys for like sweeping, you know,
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. So you know, it was just
Speaker 4: it was basically just kind of like it was. It
Speaker 4: was like that, and I really didn't put anything together
Speaker 4: until we got back to the precinct and started writting
Speaker 4: up a reports and stuff, and uh, me and my
Speaker 4: buddy were talking about that and we're like, what that Okay,
Speaker 4: So we're kind of going over all the all the
Speaker 4: aspects of all the thriller agencies that were there in
Speaker 4: the state police and local and stuff like that. So
Speaker 4: we're just kind of thinking about it. And I brought
Speaker 4: that up to atension. I was like, Hey, who those
Speaker 4: guys in all black man and you know, the black
Speaker 4: Camo and stuff like that, and he's like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I don't know, so so kind of put two and
Speaker 4: two together and yeah, that's what I think. But I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm just throwing out, you know, theories here. But
Speaker 4: other than that, yeah, so that's that's yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's the only run as I've had.
Speaker 1: But when you research these things the way you two do,
Speaker 1: you never know. You just might have a run in
Speaker 1: at any given time. You never do know. And with
Speaker 1: that in mind, Drew doing what you guys, do do
Speaker 1: you have any concerns fears about running a foul of
Speaker 1: the government.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, yes and no to me, if I'm gonna
Speaker 4: tread lightly on this one, yes and no, I'll just
Speaker 4: I'll just put it like that, just like yes and
Speaker 4: no to me, if you if you wanted to one
Speaker 4: and things get hairy and if you bag one, I
Speaker 4: do believe that they're gonna come after you, you know,
Speaker 4: to try to shut you up and whatnot, so or
Speaker 4: you know, basically, you know, just keep tabs on you
Speaker 4: and stuff, because you know, I one hundred percent agree
Speaker 4: with you that one hundred agree with just you know,
Speaker 4: they to me, they actually use these things as weapons.
Speaker 4: They actually weaponize them. They also go after them if
Speaker 4: they go world as well, and they use these things
Speaker 4: as test subjects too, you know, basically to really send
Speaker 4: out in the in the national parks and stuff to
Speaker 4: see what they do. And you know, if they go road,
Speaker 4: you know, they send out critter hitters or they send
Speaker 4: out under other cryptids to go after them. But yeah,
Speaker 4: to me, nothing would surprise me.
Speaker 1: So anything's possible, it really is. How about you, Jess,
Speaker 1: is a risk of possibly running a foul of the government,
Speaker 1: something that you've put any thought into.
Speaker 3: Well, I did mention in the beginning of the show.
Speaker 3: I used to work in government, Okay, on a state level.
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with I do with with
Speaker 3: what I do today, of course, But you know, it's
Speaker 3: interesting because a lot of the guys that are on
Speaker 3: my teams are in government actually or have been at
Speaker 3: some point. I mean, the head of ASOG just retired
Speaker 3: from the Department of Defense and Intelligence.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people on my teams and I
Speaker 3: can't I'm not going to disclose who everybody is and
Speaker 3: what they do, Okay, but but it's interesting. A lot
Speaker 3: of law enforcement officials, a lot of you know, fire chiefs, okay,
Speaker 3: and former and current military guys, and medics and doctors
Speaker 3: and nurses and like I said, a nuclear physicists, wildlie bagists,
Speaker 3: whatever we've got it. We've got like the A team.
Speaker 3: All my teams are like the A teams for cryptid
Speaker 3: research out there, you know, I've I kind of I
Speaker 3: think about it sometimes, but I also know who I'm
Speaker 3: rolling with out there too, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: worry about it too much. I mean, I'm not out
Speaker 3: there hurting anybody or anything. I also know that I
Speaker 3: do get contacted a lot by random people who claim
Speaker 3: to be this and that, and you know it is
Speaker 3: what it is. There's there's there's people who have contacted
Speaker 3: me and told me, you know, confided in me about
Speaker 3: stuff like about being contracted to go out and unlive
Speaker 3: these And I say, unlive for you too, by the way,
Speaker 3: I know how this works. Uh, but unlive you know,
Speaker 3: the dog men for agencies. Let's just say they say government.
Speaker 3: I got into asking questions about this, right, I've actually
Speaker 3: befriended a couple of these people. I don't. I've never
Speaker 3: met them personally, so I take it all with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt. But they claim, let's just say, they
Speaker 3: claim that they have been contracted to go out and
Speaker 3: do what I call critter control.
Speaker 4: That's my term.
Speaker 3: I always, I always say critter control.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Whenever there's a rogue dogmen and it's specific to dogm
Speaker 3: in Uh, whenever there's a rogue dogmen that goes out
Speaker 3: and it actually hurts a human, let's just say, or
Speaker 3: it's not doing whatever they're you know, expected to do
Speaker 3: whatever that is, and they go and they they will
Speaker 3: hunt them down, which gives a little bit of validity
Speaker 3: to the rumors that they're the dogmen are part of
Speaker 3: some sort of government program or some kind of agency program,
Speaker 3: and they're being used as assets for assets I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: maybe you know, unallowing people, kidnappings, assassinations.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure what they'd be used for. I
Speaker 3: have my theories, of course, but I've asked questions like, well,
Speaker 3: what do you do when you actually go after these
Speaker 3: dogmen and you are sent on, you know, you're contracted
Speaker 3: to go take care of them for the crewter control.
Speaker 3: They say, well, we go out there and well, you know,
Speaker 3: they got a team. I go out there and they
Speaker 3: will They'll shoot them, and they'll take them. They bag
Speaker 3: them up and they take them to the lab, is
Speaker 3: what I've been told.
Speaker 1: Well, doing it as long as they've been doing it,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they have been doing it for a
Speaker 1: long time, they must have this down to a science.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that at all. Drew, both you and
Speaker 1: Jess are experienced trackers. How much has that skill helped
Speaker 1: you though while you've been out in the field looking
Speaker 1: for cryptids.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's definitely helped a lot. Like yeah, like
Speaker 4: like with Jessica and myself to just be in prior
Speaker 4: law enforcement and dealing with tracking humans basically. So it
Speaker 4: definitely has helped a lot when it comes to the footprints,
Speaker 4: how to read them, you know, scats stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's definitely just a good tool on your tool, but
Speaker 4: you know, just just to use and if anybody wants
Speaker 4: to jump and cryptied researching now, I definitely suggest that
Speaker 4: you guys go take like a basic like tracking class
Speaker 4: and like a survival class and stuff too, because you know,
Speaker 4: to me, you guys are going to run into more
Speaker 4: of that than anything else. You guys are going to
Speaker 4: run into more medical problems and anything. So I would
Speaker 4: suggest you guys just get the cornerstones of of the
Speaker 4: whole field craft and encrypted researching, which is medical racking
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, stuff like that. So and just you know,
Speaker 4: and all your gear and definitely train with it because
Speaker 4: I know a lot of people go out there with
Speaker 4: brand new gear. They haven't even broken in their boots
Speaker 4: or anything like that, and you know, and only that
Speaker 4: stay in shape guys. It definitely helps out a lot,
Speaker 4: you know, because if you're not in shape, you're freaking
Speaker 4: how do you call it. You are not an asset.
Speaker 4: You are a liability because if something happens to you
Speaker 4: and your team's got to like, you know, walk you back,
Speaker 4: you know, just because you're out of shape or something happened,
Speaker 4: you know, because for one, you didn't test out your gear.
Speaker 4: But you know, like I said, basics, basics, basics, man,
Speaker 4: It's all comes down to is the basics. So but yeah,
Speaker 4: going back to what you said, Yeah, tracking does help,
Speaker 4: and it is a you know, yeah, it's definitely just
Speaker 4: a big, big tool to have on the tool about
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: As important of a skill as that would be, you
Speaker 1: would think you would think more researchers would be better
Speaker 1: at tracking, but it seems like it's definitely a lost
Speaker 1: art that not many researchers have. It's just one th
Speaker 1: those things, Jess. In addition to hunting cryptids like dogmen
Speaker 1: and sasquatch, you went for things like vampires too. Now.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people listening to tonight's show
Speaker 1: are probably rolling their eyes now thinking about the fact
Speaker 1: that there are actually people out there who look for
Speaker 1: things like vampires. But what would you say to those
Speaker 1: people to help them wrap their minds around. Why you
Speaker 1: take their existence seriously enough to actually go out there
Speaker 1: and look for them.
Speaker 3: Well, I take it very seriously because I never went
Speaker 3: out actually looking for vampires. What happened was we got
Speaker 3: called out. Drewski and I got called out to an
Speaker 3: investigation up in North Tennessee this past year and the
Speaker 3: family that was living on this property, they had a cave.
Speaker 3: Let's just say, they had a cave about thirty feet
Speaker 3: from their back door at their home. And they just
Speaker 3: bought this house and they were having all sorts of
Speaker 3: problems where their chickens were getting taken out of their
Speaker 3: pen at night and disappearing. These their prize pet chickens.
Speaker 3: They had cameras set up around the house, and they
Speaker 3: were having black figures slinking around looked very much like
Speaker 3: bigfoot or dogmen around their yard. And we're having a
Speaker 3: lot of problems around this house. It was really spooky,
Speaker 3: and Drew Ski and I got called out and the
Speaker 3: team Cryptid Warfare Operators and Survival got called out there.
Speaker 3: And it turns out, after doing some research before we went,
Speaker 3: we found out that this home actually sat on property
Speaker 3: that once belonged to the chalk Taw people. And that
Speaker 3: cave behind her house actually was known as the Skinwalker Cave,
Speaker 3: and so I had never gone hunting for those before.
Speaker 3: I'd never experienced them that I know of, and so
Speaker 3: I had to. I didn't have to, but I did.
Speaker 3: I consulted with my good friend William Knighthawk, who is
Speaker 3: a Native American shaman, to find out exactly what we're
Speaker 3: supposed to do when we come across something like I'm
Speaker 3: just going to say a s walker, okay, cause we're
Speaker 3: not supposed to say that word too much. And the
Speaker 3: things that he told me actually sounded more like hunting
Speaker 3: vampires than it did what I would think would be,
Speaker 3: you know, hunting at s Walker. It was actually it
Speaker 3: literally was like hunting vampires. And so there's definitely a
Speaker 3: spiritual aspect to all of this. But we were going
Speaker 3: there to go check it out. We were going to
Speaker 3: go check out the dog man sightings and the bigfoot
Speaker 3: sightings and just to see what was going on. But
Speaker 3: once you get into the field, you do this research,
Speaker 3: you see that all this is so connected. The spiritual
Speaker 3: aspect of all this is very connected, and these are
Speaker 3: not all just flesh and bone creatures. There's more to it.
Speaker 3: In my experience, there's more to it, and that includes dogmen.
Speaker 3: Some people think that all the dog men are demonic,
Speaker 3: or some of them are demonic something. People think that
Speaker 3: big but have a demonic element to them. You know,
Speaker 3: you hear about the red eye shine, the red eye glow.
Speaker 3: I used to think, man, why that's terrible just because
Speaker 3: they got red eye shine or red eye glow, people
Speaker 3: think they're demonic. Well, the more I look into it,
Speaker 3: the more I'm out there, I don't know anymore. I
Speaker 3: think they maybe some of them are demonic.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, we have to learn how
Speaker 3: to deal with all of it when we're out there.
Speaker 3: You'd be crazy not to so, including dog man research.
Speaker 3: You know, and I know y'all were just talking about tracking.
Speaker 3: That is one of the fundamentals of getting out there
Speaker 3: and doing encrypted research. You have to know how to do.
Speaker 3: You have to know how to track. You need to
Speaker 3: know the animals of the area. You need to know
Speaker 3: the sounds, you need to know you need to know
Speaker 3: everything about that area that you're going in there to
Speaker 3: go research, you have to if nothing else, go learn
Speaker 3: what a you know, a feline footprint looks like compared
Speaker 3: to a knine footprint. Okay, it's so important, just stuff
Speaker 3: like that, even learning human footprints. You know, when I
Speaker 3: went out to learn tracking, and I've done lots of
Speaker 3: tracking courses with my team. And it's not only in
Speaker 3: the summertime, springtime, fall and winter. Okay, get out there
Speaker 3: and do it every season so that you know what
Speaker 3: to look for and how to do it. Do tracking
Speaker 3: at night and in the daytime. It's important to know
Speaker 3: how to do that too. But just to know the elements,
Speaker 3: the fundamentals, is key. It's key to all of this.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like I said earlier, you got to
Speaker 3: have an open mind about all of this stuff. And
Speaker 3: when you get into the research as deep as Drew
Speaker 3: Ski and I are in, you're going to come across
Speaker 3: more than just what you're out there looking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what they say, be careful what you
Speaker 1: wish for ask for, And that's especially true when it
Speaker 1: comes to looking for these things. It really is. Drew,
Speaker 1: a hardcore team member named Brian told you about it
Speaker 1: really frightened the experience that he had in Alabama that
Speaker 1: really shook him up. What more can you tell us
Speaker 1: about what happened? To him.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Funny thing as you mentioned that they actually went
Speaker 4: back like last month and they had another experience as well.
Speaker 4: But anyways, yeah, so anyways, Yeah, so one of the
Speaker 4: guys basically basically one of my best friends, Poe dunk Ak, Brian.
Speaker 4: He is basically my second command when it comes to
Speaker 4: this team, so good dude. Him and his his father
Speaker 4: and his nephew. They went out to Alabama in a
Speaker 4: certain area because they want to. They actually wanted just
Speaker 4: to go out and just camp. And with all of us,
Speaker 4: we're very avid campers. Well we don't blamp. We actually
Speaker 4: put our rucksacks on and we go as far as
Speaker 4: we can in the woods, you know, and we set
Speaker 4: up and we basically try to put our survival skills
Speaker 4: to the test, you know, just to make sure that
Speaker 4: we're up on him. So we couldn't go a couple
Speaker 4: of guys can it go. So it just ended up
Speaker 4: being Brian, his father and his nephew. So they ended
Speaker 4: up going and they actually I don't know, he can't
Speaker 4: point it, but his dad is a veteran and he
Speaker 4: was in the war and he's been in a lot
Speaker 4: of Harry situations and he said he's he's like Drew,
Speaker 4: He's like, I've never been so scared. He's like, I've
Speaker 4: been in a lot of situations, gunfire, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: He's like, I've never been so morbidly scared in my
Speaker 4: life than the freaking experience that we had in Alabama. Man.
Speaker 4: So basically, they hiked in, they set up camp, and
Speaker 4: all this happened at night. Next thing, you know, he
Speaker 4: said that they started hearing some some things break, some
Speaker 4: things running around him, some growls, and they ended up
Speaker 4: being all of them ended up being back to back
Speaker 4: with their pistols out, with these things just taunting them
Speaker 4: the whole time. And Brian's like, you know what, man,
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a bigfoot. I really think
Speaker 4: it was adult dog men, like a pack of dogman. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just I don't know what it was. He's like, for one,
Speaker 4: just like the smells were different, their body language, like
Speaker 4: hearing them yipping was different. I don't know, he said,
Speaker 4: he just felt just like a primal fear he goes.
Speaker 4: But other than that with sasquats, he's like, other than
Speaker 4: that bigfoot, He's like, I never ever feel that, but
Speaker 4: something about this just gave me a primal fear man.
Speaker 4: He's like, I really do think it was a dog,
Speaker 4: like a pack of dog man out they're messing with us.
Speaker 4: But as far as that, he said, we did not
Speaker 4: sleep the whole night. Man. He's like, we were so
Speaker 4: tired and so scared, and then as as soon as
Speaker 4: a light hit, we packed up and we got the
Speaker 4: heck out of them. And then so he was telling
Speaker 4: me he was going to this area. So anytime the
Speaker 4: guys go to a certain era, like where I can't
Speaker 4: go or you know, or I'm going where they can't go,
Speaker 4: we always let each other know where we're going, where
Speaker 4: we're at pinpoint, the grid locations, and what time we're
Speaker 4: going to be back right and if we're not back
Speaker 4: in twenty four hours, sending the freaking calvalry. So he
Speaker 4: let me know. So when he got back, he got
Speaker 4: back a day earlier than expected, and he hit me up.
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, man, can you talk. I was like,
Speaker 4: what's up, dude? Like I thought I thought you were
Speaker 4: going to be camping, and he's like, yeah, like you
Speaker 4: sariously had to just drive back and we had a
Speaker 4: certain situation happened. I was like, what happened? So him
Speaker 4: and I actually met up for coffee and we talk
Speaker 4: and yeah, he basically told me the same thing I
Speaker 4: just told you, man, and I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 4: what do you want to do. He's like, let's get
Speaker 4: the guys, Let's get the gear bro. We're going back.
Speaker 4: We're gonna we're gonna freaking investigate this. We're definitely going back. Okay. Cool.
Speaker 4: So that's when I hit up my guys and then
Speaker 4: I hit up Jessica. Yeah, and then we hit it
Speaker 4: out that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like a prime spot to research having action
Speaker 1: like that, Drew, it's my opinion that a lot of
Speaker 1: people go out looking for these things, so we have
Speaker 1: no business whatsoever doing So do you have any opinions
Speaker 1: on that that you'd be willing to put out there
Speaker 1: for us?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I agree, like baicly, like unlike what Jessica said,
Speaker 4: this stuff isn't for everybody, and it's it's not like
Speaker 4: the movie Guys, where it's like poetic and stuff like.
Speaker 4: This stuff is actually legit dangerous, and like I said,
Speaker 4: not only that, like, you guys can't be messing with
Speaker 4: something that you're just getting a high about. You have
Speaker 4: to do your research. You got to pray about it.
Speaker 4: You got to think about it. You know, you really
Speaker 4: got to do your homework on what area you're going to,
Speaker 4: what animals you might run into, how's the population, what
Speaker 4: people you might run into, What are you gonna do
Speaker 4: if there's a medical situation. You guys got to think
Speaker 4: about stuff like that as well. What gear you're bringing
Speaker 4: with us. The way how we pack accordingly is with
Speaker 4: the mission set right, what we're going out there, what for?
Speaker 4: And not only that, Like like you said, you know,
Speaker 4: people really don't know what they're gonna People always have
Speaker 4: a plan until they get hit. So you know, it's
Speaker 4: like that's what I said. It's just it's just a
Speaker 4: whole stressful situation. If a person puts himself in stressful situations,
Speaker 4: how do you learn? You learn from experience. Well, if
Speaker 4: people never been out in the wilderness, don't know how
Speaker 4: to do basic survival and they're just going out there
Speaker 4: because they heard this podcast like hey, I want to
Speaker 4: be a crypti researcher, and they don't have the right gear,
Speaker 4: they can go out there and they can actually die
Speaker 4: from hypotherbia. They can die from a broken leg, a
Speaker 4: medical situation. Like you guys, stuff like that being prepared
Speaker 4: and thinking about what you're going to do is key.
Speaker 4: Your mind is your biggest weapon. Guys. You have to
Speaker 4: prepare and like I always tell Jesske, you know, luck
Speaker 4: favors are prepared, so packed accordingly. Do your homework or
Speaker 4: do you research, Ask the locals where you're going, stuff
Speaker 4: like that to get. Try to gather as much intel
Speaker 4: as you guys can. The more you know, the better
Speaker 4: off you're going to be. And not only that, for
Speaker 4: God's sakes, if you're going to go out in the wilderness,
Speaker 4: work out a little bit, go on walks, put your
Speaker 4: gear on, test it out, because you don't want to
Speaker 4: go out there with brand new gear. That's how you
Speaker 4: get blisters, That's how you get stuff breaking. You know,
Speaker 4: you guys want to test out all your stuff before
Speaker 4: you go out cryptied hunting or say CRYPTI researching me
Speaker 4: not only that, learn to track all these things, guys,
Speaker 4: there's so much. There's so much to learn. But like
Speaker 4: I said, your basics are field craft's revival, tracking, medical,
Speaker 4: and then not only that, get like minded people that
Speaker 4: are on the same page with you, you know, who
Speaker 4: are not hot tempered, who think who yeah, just you know,
Speaker 4: and also too, what helps out to is get someone
Speaker 4: out there who is a naysayer, you know, who can
Speaker 4: kind of bring you back to reality sometimes, because if
Speaker 4: you have a group of people that are on the
Speaker 4: same page, you will you will basically hope for something
Speaker 4: and you will start to create a certain thing in
Speaker 4: your head. If you have someone who's a naysayer, he
Speaker 4: can actually bring you back to reality like oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, Yeah that wasn't owl, or yeah that
Speaker 4: was a that was a deer or something. You know,
Speaker 4: just you know, you guys got to think about that stuff.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's what I got.
Speaker 1: You make some really good points. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: when you walk into a motorcycle shop a dealership and
Speaker 1: you're looking at Leader bikes, and when the salesperson asks
Speaker 1: you for information about your experience riding motorcycles and you
Speaker 1: let them know I've never ridden before, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why they look at you the way they do in
Speaker 1: a situation like that. Yeah, you don't start off riding
Speaker 1: motorcycles learning the ropes on a Leader bike for a
Speaker 1: good reason. The same reason that if you've never been
Speaker 1: in the woods, or if you barely have any time
Speaker 1: at all, in the woods. There's a reason why you
Speaker 1: don't go out looking for these things. Now, that's one
Speaker 1: thing to just go stumbling out there in places that
Speaker 1: you don't know that they are likely to be. It's
Speaker 1: just woods, and well, I'm gonna go out into this
Speaker 1: woods and see what i can find. Well, you can
Speaker 1: find trouble other than dog me and related issues out
Speaker 1: there by doing that. But in the odds if you're
Speaker 1: having trouble with a dog mean by doing that or
Speaker 1: pretty slim. But with some of these people listening to
Speaker 1: the show and putting it out there that they want
Speaker 1: to go out there and start researching themselves, and they
Speaker 1: put it out there also they don't have any experience
Speaker 1: in the woods. That's crazy. That is just not a
Speaker 1: good idea. You can have a situation where the dog
Speaker 1: man sasquatch is benign, but due to this or that,
Speaker 1: things can go sideways. And if they do go sideways,
Speaker 1: how much you know about the woods and what's going
Speaker 1: on out there. That could be the difference right there
Speaker 1: between you making it home, sitting on the couch and
Speaker 1: thinking about, Wow, that sure was quite the experience, and
Speaker 1: having groundhogs bringing to your mail. So yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: crazy some of these people. It's just crazy the idea
Speaker 1: that they would want to that they would even think
Speaker 1: they're ready to go out and do this. It really is.
Speaker 1: It's almost time for us to call it, guys. But
Speaker 1: before we do, two things. Number one, I want you
Speaker 1: to one by one plug your podcasts and also the
Speaker 1: organizations that you work with. Jess please go first.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Vic.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm also known as the Cryptid Huntress. So i
Speaker 3: have a YouTube channel and I'm also on Rumble and
Speaker 3: I broadcast on Facebook. But just look up the Cryptied Huntress.
Speaker 3: I have a website, the Cryptidhunterress dot com. I put
Speaker 3: out four live shows every week on my channel discussing
Speaker 3: cryptids and all things crazy and weird. And we have
Speaker 3: a good time over there on my channel. And Vic,
Speaker 3: you're coming on my channel next week as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, So Vic will be my guest next Wednesday.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, let's see just
Speaker 3: the Crypted Huntress all over the place. Just you can
Speaker 3: find me on social media all over. I am a
Speaker 3: member of a nickma a research group North Georgia Cryptid
Speaker 3: Researchers Anomalist Studies an observation group seekers and now cryptid
Speaker 3: warfare operators as well. So I do have a lot
Speaker 3: of boots on the ground field research. I've been doing
Speaker 3: this since twenty eleven. And yeah, if you guys have
Speaker 3: any kind of sightings or you know, have something that
Speaker 3: you'd like to be investigated, hit me or drew up
Speaker 3: please if you're down in the southeastern Regent region of
Speaker 3: the United States, we don't mind looking into stuff like that.
Speaker 3: We've had some really interesting investigations and this team is
Speaker 3: pretty active. So thanks for letting us be here tonight.
Speaker 4: Vic.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for being here. And I can't
Speaker 1: say enough about your show, The Cryptid Huntress. That's a
Speaker 1: good show and the fact that you produce four episodes
Speaker 1: of it every week. I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 1: I mean that in addition to being a mom and
Speaker 1: heading out into the field and everything else you do.
Speaker 1: You must not sleep.
Speaker 3: I do sleep. I actually I have to sleep. But
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. That's so sweet of you, coming from you.
Speaker 3: That is a huge compliment. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're welcome, just telling it like it is. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you were born to do this. You're a great host.
Speaker 1: I do have a bone to pick with you though,
Speaker 1: that intro outro song that you use for the Cryptid Huntress,
Speaker 1: that is the biggest earworm there is. I think I
Speaker 1: might be I'm almost to the point where I can
Speaker 1: understand the words that voice is saying in that song.
Speaker 1: But that's a great song. Oh there are words in that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I have no idea, it's just well,
Speaker 3: I started off with the show called a Glitch in
Speaker 3: the Matrix, and I wanted to find the glitchiest song
Speaker 3: I could find.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's why. That's why it sounds like that.
Speaker 1: I love the song. The first time I heard that,
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, Jess, that's a great intro slash outra song.
Speaker 1: Great job finding that. But wasn't the world is she saying?
Speaker 1: What are the lyrics here? So you listen a little
Speaker 1: closer and closer and closer. Yeah, I figured pretty much
Speaker 1: it was a case where there weren't any actual lyrics.
Speaker 1: But yeah, great job finding that. Definitely, thanks here, welcome.
Speaker 1: How about you, Drew, how about a shameless plug on
Speaker 1: your part to promote your podcast and your organization there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. Me. I appreciate having us on
Speaker 4: the show, and I gotta agree with you, Vick. Yeah,
Speaker 4: her her intro outro songs at bangor man for sure.
Speaker 1: I like it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay out that. Yeah, guys, my name is Drewski.
Speaker 4: I'm the I'm the host of a Cryptive Warfare and
Speaker 4: Conspiracies podcast. You guys can find me on Instagram, app,
Speaker 4: podcasts with Spotify, YouTube all that stuff. So uh yeah,
Speaker 4: can find on Instagram, Facebook, and also to the organization
Speaker 4: I started up as a CW operations in survival. It's
Speaker 4: basically where we teach people how to survive out in
Speaker 4: the wilderness. You know your basics also too. If people
Speaker 4: are having problems to seed wu's Crypted Warfare Operations, you
Speaker 4: guys are having problems with critters or anything like that,
Speaker 4: You guys, Andy Prayer will be there to help you out.
Speaker 4: You guys need anything physically demanding, we will be there.
Speaker 4: We'll be glad you know, to be consultants for you guys.
Speaker 4: You guys need any help when it comes to that,
Speaker 4: and let us know. We'll be there so.
Speaker 1: And you'll be in good hands too if they do
Speaker 1: contact you. Well, before I ask for any closing comments,
Speaker 1: I want to put this out there one last time,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier Monday night, nine pm Eastern Time.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a special midweek episode of dogg
Speaker 1: Me and Encounters, a live stream episode where Hondo from
Speaker 1: episode one thirty comes back to update this on what's
Speaker 1: been happening, what his experiences been have been like since
Speaker 1: he came on that show. But now we've got that
Speaker 1: out there, the one last order of business is to
Speaker 1: ask for closing comments. Jess please go first.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for letting us be here tonight.
Speaker 4: Vic.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about all the times I quoted
Speaker 3: you in your in your episodes on my channel and
Speaker 3: on my shows, and I did I know. I was
Speaker 3: just thinking the other day about how amazing I've been
Speaker 3: able to make so many connections through all of the
Speaker 3: encounters that people have had that they've shared on your
Speaker 3: show with other encounters that I've taken from you know,
Speaker 3: investigations and things. It's also connected. And so I thank
Speaker 3: you so much for being a platform for everybody who's
Speaker 3: had a dog Man encounter to come on here and
Speaker 3: tell their story, because it really does make a big
Speaker 3: difference in the research field for people like Drewski and myself.
Speaker 3: Not only are we were finding out like the locations
Speaker 3: or where these sightings are. But we're getting real life
Speaker 3: encounters with people who've had real, real experiences with these things,
Speaker 3: and so it really does help us as researchers to
Speaker 3: be able to have, you know, to hear your the
Speaker 3: encounters on your shows. So thank you for that. And
Speaker 3: I want everybody to play stay safe out there. Don't
Speaker 3: live infeer y'all. Okay, don't live and fear driwsk you out.
Speaker 3: And I are either doing it because we love it,
Speaker 3: and we said we've established it's not for everybody, you
Speaker 3: know what we do, but we do enjoy it. And
Speaker 3: yes we'll report back to you guys what happens and
Speaker 3: what we find. Come over to Crypti Warfare podcast and
Speaker 3: the crypt Huntress on YouTube and also of course dog
Speaker 3: Man Encounters.
Speaker 1: So so thanks beg oh no, thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: You're one of the good ones. So of course it's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on. And please remember if
Speaker 1: I can ever help you in the future, all I
Speaker 1: have to do is let me know.
Speaker 3: Thanks Vig, I will dittoh well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 1: How about you, Drew? Any closing comments?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, First of all, Vickers want to say, I
Speaker 4: appreciate you brother letting us come on and yes chat
Speaker 4: a little bit. So appreciate that. Man. Guys, the closing
Speaker 4: comments basically, like I said, you know, you guys are
Speaker 4: really thinking about doing this when it comes to cry researching,
Speaker 4: reach out to reach out to people who can do
Speaker 4: this for a while, Vick, myself, Jessica or just other people.
Speaker 4: There's loads and loads of people out there who have
Speaker 4: encrypted researching for a while. So you know, collect your intel,
Speaker 4: do your homework, do you research, test your gear, always
Speaker 4: have exits, strategies, you know, just do your homework. Guys,
Speaker 4: Like I said, luck papers are prepared, you know, test
Speaker 4: your gear out and the guys be safety safety safe
Speaker 4: and don't go out there without a team of five guys.
Speaker 4: So and you know, have fun, well out there, have fun,
Speaker 4: have a good time, you know, live life. And yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's basically it, man, That's all I got.
Speaker 1: Well, those are really good words. Yeah, if you're not
Speaker 1: having fun doing what you do, you shouldn't be out there.
Speaker 1: Of Course, you're going to have some bad times out there,
Speaker 1: that's a given. That's just life. But if in general
Speaker 1: it's not fun, then why do it. So, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's very well said. I really do. But having
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, if you've had a dog meeting encounter
Speaker 1: that you'd like to reach out to me and get
Speaker 1: help with, you don't have to come on the show.
Speaker 1: There's never a requirement to do that. You can if
Speaker 1: you want to, but there's no pressure to do so.
Speaker 1: Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report
Speaker 1: and let me know. And if you do that, then
Speaker 1: I'll be more than happy to reach out to you
Speaker 1: to schedule a phone consultation so we can find out
Speaker 1: what's going on and what happened to you. But having
Speaker 1: said that, thanks against so much everyone for listening to
Speaker 1: the show, for supporting the eyewitnesses and all that you do.
Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it, and of course hope you
Speaker 1: have a great weekend. Thanks for listening.