Speaker 1: All right, everyone, it's time for our Obscene Serial Story
Autopsy CD.
Speaker 2: Your anagrams are showing through, mister Calvin an Obscene Serial
Story Acopsy CD. This must be the Surely you Can't
Be Serious podcast. Welcome back, everybody. This is d I'm
here with my friend Jason, and we are joined by
the brilliant company of men that make up the thirty
something Movie Podcast. We have John, Pat, Jeff and Dennis
joining us for this incredible mega episode where we're going
to talk about Silence of the Lambs that was thirty
years ago, Psycho that was sixty years ago, and m
which was ninety years ago, all serial killer movies and
we are going to cut their guts out and string
them up and see what we think.
Speaker 1: Guys, We're so happy to have you guys. How y'all
doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Hey guys, we all go a little mad.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, guys, my brother is He listens
to some of my episodes, but not all of them.
The last time that I saw him, he said, I
think my favorite episode that you guys did was the
Star Wars special episode. I was like, great, that's great.
That was one of our favorite ones to do. So
I think it's just great to be together with you
guys again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so great seeing you guys. Awesome, yep, awesome.
Speaker 2: Okay, so when we did that podcast, I did trivia.
I thought it'd be fun. He thought that was one
of the best parts. This will be a little bit
different than we did last time. Let me give you
a little bit of trivia. See who can jump in?
Who can give me the answers here? All right? What
is a horror movie that was originally titled The Babysitter Murders.
Before we get going, I just have to say I
was listen to our last episode and I heard our
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Speaker 2: Yard if the yard of the summer is winding down
and my yard needs to be mode getting a little
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Speaker 1: Areas, some bushes need to be hedged back.
Speaker 2: Some lawn mowing needs to be done, some weed whacking
needs to be done.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I like my lawn mode and trim.
Speaker 2: My tree always looks taller whenever I cut my grass shorter.
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Speaker 1: Whack it.
Speaker 2: I got an answer, Jason's you get anybody else? Anybody
want to venture a guest? Yeah? What you paid? Dennis?
I don't.
Speaker 5: I would think nightmare on ELM Street, but.
Speaker 2: Close, close, Nope, not a nightmare on Elm Street. Who
else's got one? Nobody? John Johnson, he's got a hesitant hand.
Speaker 3: John, I'm gonna say Halloween.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the answer to that. Halloween was supposed to
be the Babysitter murders. All right? Add on question, whose
mask was involved? Yeah, it's too easy, shout it out
if you know it. Shatner, William Shatner's face turned inside
out and spray painted and all kinds of weird stuff.
All right. Now, final on this particular brand of questions,
how does that movie relate to one of the three
movies that we're talking about tonight?
Speaker 4: As the least qualified person to answer this, does it
relate that? Like they put someone's face on in that
movie and in well, I want to be careful. We've
already said spoiled and you're shaking your head, so I'm
not going down the right way.
Speaker 2: Right. Just remember that a lot of these movies are
about guys who had mommy issues.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Jason's got his hand up. What you got, Jason?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that Michael Myers killed his parents.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. But what does that have to
do with any of the movies.
Speaker 1: Or once we're talking with Norman Bates killed his mother?
Who else did he kill his mother's lover? And who
else did he kill? The most important scene in the
whole freaking movie?
Speaker 2: Who did he kill?
Speaker 1: A traveler who came to the hotel.
Speaker 2: Who was played by Jimi Jamie Curtis was the brother
of Jamie Lee Curtis, who was in her Dave You
in Halloween.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was ready for that.
Speaker 5: Good one, good one.
Speaker 2: I don't think we have I don't think we have
any level eleven horror movie.
Speaker 4: Fans here, like I'm definitely not. But I'm just glad
that he'd killed Jamie Lee Curtis's mom after Jamie Lee
Curtis was born, because otherwise we wouldn't have true lies.
So I'm just saying that's that's just good news to
love true lives.
Speaker 2: Yep, and trading places. Yeah, I will tell you guys
that Janet Lee was also with Jamie Lee Curtis in
h two, Oh the Halloween. Like later on.
Speaker 1: Sequel, they both have killer mods too, killer Box.
Speaker 2: They do both have killer killer bods.
Speaker 5: I think the tape was worn out and uh, okay,
So let me ask you guys a question.
Speaker 2: Who likes scary movies? Among you? I got Jason raising
his hand, I got John raising his hand. I got
a so so away from Jeff. You out on the
scary movies.
Speaker 4: I don't do scary movies, but I've really dug these
three movies.
Speaker 2: So okay.
Speaker 6: I like psychological movies.
Speaker 2: And Dennis still has his hand up high.
Speaker 5: Okay, so smart scary movies, yes, smart scary movies that
slash or killer, psychle crazy stuff.
Speaker 6: I like a good, good psychological thriller. That's where I matt.
But like you know, blood and guts and all that,
like that doesn't do anything for me.
Speaker 2: So I wondered about this because I really I don't
have much of a desire to be scared. I do
like the thinking aspect of these movies. I don't really
care to just be scared. I don't enjoy it, but
I think there's a lot of people who do. There's
like this safety of your in a movie theater, and
you know the danger that you are getting the rush
of fight or flight chemicals from. But it turns out
a lot of people like to be scared. And Alfred
Hitchcock has an incredible quote on this.
Speaker 6: I want to hear, I want to hear el.
Speaker 2: I like him. He makes me laugh. No, Albert Dischcock
has an incredible quote on this. He says, everybody likes
to be scared. Even babies like to be scared. That's
why the first thing you say to them is.
Speaker 4: Boo good quote.
Speaker 2: All right, so we're gonna talk about scary movies tonight.
I'm going to give you guys a quick history. So
in eighteen ninety six, George Malaise was filming on a
pair of street It was one of those hand crank
kind of cameras, and he got jammed on him and
he finally got it working again. He started cranking it
again and he had taken a film that changed into
a completely different film on the second part. And what
the result was was this image that children who had
been playing some changed into horses, men changed into women,
and the most spooky part, a bus full of workers
turned into a hearse. And this spooky little trick became
Trick Films, which was the first of special effects films
that we had, which of course immediately led into horror film,
the first of which was House of the Devil. Then
we have in nineteen ten, the first version of Frankenstein
comes out from the Edison Studios of Thomas Edison, and
it's a total flop. It's a sixteen minute thing that
really doesn't relate to Frankenstein at all. But every reviewer says,
this type of movie is something not for the general public.
This is something that coroners and undertakers and gravediggers and
morgue keepers would find enjoyable, but not the general public.
And so nothing happens till until about nineteen twenty five
when we get mister lon Cheney in this movie called
The Phantom of the Opera and he does more special
effects of his own where he changes his face, and
you have one of the most dramatic scenes in silent
films when she rips the mask off the Phantom of
the Opera and he has that ghastly, toothy, sharp faced grin,
looks like the girl on Fright Night maybe. And then
nothing happened for about six years until we get in
nineteen thirty one m Dracula Frankenstein about the ninth installment
of Doctor Jekylne mister Hyde. But it was the best,
so the other other movies that came out in thirty
one included three from this young director named Alfred Hitchcock.
So em was released in Germany May of nineteen thirty one.
It didn't show up in the US for another couple
of years March of nineteen thirty three, which is about
the time that Fritz Lang said I got to get
out of this country or they're going to kill me. Awesome,
all right, keep on keep on going, keep on going.
I'll tell that. I'll tell that story later.
Speaker 3: All right. I think there's some controversy about didn't he
kind of tell a story about how he escaped from Germany?
And there's some controversy about how much of it is true. Yeah, okay,
I'll tell the story. Now, tell a story, man.
Speaker 2: So the story is he's directed this second like basically
second took part to a movie that he had done
before that involves like this psycho criminal and in the
second part he is putting slogans of the Nazi Party
in the mouth of the villainous psychopath. And so he's
feeling pretty haughty at this point. And you know, the
yellow Shirts at the time are saying, we're going to
take this film from you, and you're not gonna be
able to show it. And he's like, you want to
take it, you go ahead and try to take it.
So they take it, and then he gets an invitation
from Joseph Goebbels. Yeah, yeah, Joseph Goebbels, who's you know,
the Minister of Propaganda and Hitler's writing and man. And
by invitation, I mean order to appear. And so he
goes into this you know, creepy marble department that Joseph
Goebbels has his office in. He's getting pretty nervous. He
walks in and Joseph Goebbels is immediately friendly and shaking
both of his hands and immediately starts telling him how
much he loved Metropolis, which is Fritz Lang's you know,
big movie from nineteen twenty seven, and how much Hitler
loved that movie and how they've decided they want him
to be their head guy for Nazi films. And he says,
you know that like my mother, I converted to Catholicism,
but she was Jewish, which you know makes me Jewish.
And Goebel says, oh, sir, we decide who is Arian
and who is not. And he's like, wow, okay, and
so Goebels starts to give him advice on his films,
and he keeps looking out of the window at this
clock in the street, thinking, Okay, I've got a little
bit of time before the bank's close. If I can
just get to the bank after I'm done with this
meeting and get all of my money, I can get
out of the country. But Goebels keeps talking to him,
he keeps looking at the clock. Goebels is like, you know,
there's this part in your new movie where the villain
takes over the body of somebody else. The movie should
just end right there. And he's like, oh, yeah, you're
totally right. That is exactly great idea. That is exactly
how my movie should end. Keeps looking at the clock,
almost keeps talking, and eventually time runs out and the
banks are closed. So he goes back home. He has
like five thousand dollars in cash at home and decides
he's going to leave everything else. He goes to his
door and sees that his building is surrounded by the
Yellow Shirts. He's like, okay, they're going to keep me
prisoner here. There's nothing I'm going to be able to do.
He walks out the door, and realizes they're just involved
in some military exercise. They don't care about him at all.
He makes his way out of Germany and into Paris.
That's the story that he tells. There is some doubt
about whether that's all completely accurate, but it's a good story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, kid, that's a that's a great story.
Speaker 1: John, did you read something on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had looked up with a different things. He
ended up on the train and they were coming around
and normally you'd have like a conductor or somebody come
around and check your papers, your tickets, whatever, And I
guess he's on the train, and according to his story,
he's in one of the train cars and I don't
know if there's a couch or a bed in there.
And he hears them coming like door to door, and
he's like, oh crap, they're gonna like, they're gonna come
in here. They're gonna find me, they're gonna recognize me.
And so then he's like, all right, well, I got
to do what I, you know, tell my actors to do.
I got to just start faking something. And so he
just starts snoring really loudly. I think he lays down.
He just starts snoring really loudly, and apparently that was
enough to make the you know, yellow shirts think, ah,
somebody's in there sleeping, let's go on to the next
So apparently he pulled the Star Wars and somehow it
was like, well, sorry, this door is locked. Don't feel
like the next one.
Speaker 2: This is not the jew you're looking for.
Speaker 1: Hey, I heard a story. I wanted to elaborate this,
so yeah, well here's what I heard. Is when Gebbels
was questioning him in the room, at one point he
punched him in the face and he said, this is
how we say goodbye and joy.
Speaker 2: And there was no Austrian girl.
Speaker 1: There was no Austrian girl to make out with him. Unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Well you tell I bought that hook client all the
way down.
Speaker 3: And of course, yeah, Fritz Lang's response was, I like
the Austrian papa.
Speaker 2: Me too. Yeah, okay. So Im came out in nineteen
thirty one in Germany. It was directed by and written
by Fritz Lang. Writing with him was his then wife
at the time, Theo von Harbon. She later started having
marital affairs with not him and then joined the Nazi Party,
and that was enough for him to get a divorced
and so yeah, Nazi, I mean Nazis infidelity is one thing.
Nazi the big, whole, other, whole other thing.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate this guy.
Speaker 3: As long as those guys are the worst.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the original title for this movie was Murderer
among Us, and again this got them in trouble with
the Nazis because they thought he was making a movie
about Hitler. Hey, by the.
Speaker 1: Way, m is the shortest movie title of all time,
but it ties with two other movies. Anybody know the
answer to the question, what is the name of the
other movies?
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with Pie.
Speaker 1: That would be in critics, sir, Nope, all right, d
what you got Okay?
Speaker 2: There is a movie called z Yep, and there's a
movie called R you got It? But this is definitely
the most famous one letter titled movie.
Speaker 3: Well, Pie is a movie PI. That's just the symbol pie,
so that would be there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's infinity long. That's like the opposite of short.
Speaker 3: I guess that's true.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 3: Understanding there would be no math during the time.
Speaker 2: So in researching the movie, he spent eight days going
to a mental institution for research. Mental Institution for the
Criminally Insane, and there he met and an inmate named
Peter Curtin. Who do you know who Peter Curtin is?
Speaker 6: Jane Curtin's grandfather.
Speaker 2: Love it nicely done?
Speaker 3: Amy Lee Curtis's great uncle.
Speaker 2: No so. Peter Curtin was known at the time as
the Vampire of Dussel Dwarf. He had literally just been
arrested within the year before Fritz lang Is going in
there and talking to people. A lot of people claim
that this movie is supposed to be based on him.
We're going to talk later about ed Geen and how
many of these movies and other movies have been based
on what ed Gen did. Peter Curtin makes ed Geen
look like mister Rogers like he has seriously some sick
and twisted stuff that I won't go into. But now
as a good a time as any if you're listening
with your teenage kids. We're normally family friendly, but these
movies are really really unpleasant subject matter and based on
real stories that have even more unpleasant subject matter. May
get a little graphic. We may want to do PG.
Thirteen extra yeah right, yeah, four yes.
Speaker 3: I wanted to say real quick I made the mistake
of going to the curtain Wikipedia page. Uh huh, and
now I'm feeling like in Ghostbusters, I looked at the
trap ray.
Speaker 2: Okay, So without going into a great deal of detail,
because I don't like this nasty stuff. Peter Curtin was
mistreated as a youth by his parents severely. That later
led on led him to murder other women and ultimately children,
and at some point was excited by the blood and
so drank some of the blood, which is how he
got the name Vampire of Dussel Dwarf when they were Ultimately,
when he was caught, it was because he had taken
a potential victim to his house. She had convinced him
to let them let her go, and he thought she
would never find his house. Well she could find it.
He sees her hanging out outside of his house. He
knows he's done for He's murdered tons of people. So
he goes to his wife and says, you need to
tell them that you knew nothing, which she didn't, and
you need to turn me in for the reward, which
she did. So she got the reward for turning him in,
even though he was really turning in himself. Obviously, he
was in the mental institution for a time, but ultimately
was convicted a trial. And back then they were still
using the guillotine, and so as he's being walked to
his death, he asked the executioner, after my head is
cut off, will my ears still be able to hear
the blood spurting out of my neck? Because that would
be the ultimate ecstasy. That's how bad this guy is.
So him is not so bad? Yeah? Reallyim you don't
see any murders. You just get to imagine them as
they occur. Jason, what do you got? Okay?
Speaker 1: Was this the first watch for you guys, for him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me to get here, yes, all the way through? Yes,
I had seen some clips before, but all the way through.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like I'm gonna blow your mind with
this thing. If you guys are where I think you are, okay. So,
Peter Lourie is the guy who plays the murderer, right,
He's the bad guy. He was known mainly for his
comedic roles, but he was in a lot of Bugs
Bunny cartoons. Do you guys know you recognize him from
Bugs Bunny cartoons? He played like the mad Scientists when
they were chasing around Gossamer, the big orange monster monsters.
There are such interesting people. Well that's dad just a minute.
Speaker 5: I have another little friend.
Speaker 1: Like me, But he's one of those guys that ran
around with Humphrey Bogart and I remember one in one particular,
Bugs Bunny.
Speaker 2: He said, he makes me laugh.
Speaker 5: Well, it's also I mainly knew him, and I think
that's how I came across some clips on time looking
and I think it was like maybe to see if
you're still alive. I don't know whatever, but back in
the day, I remember seeing you bet, but he was
huge in all the Vincent Price I down on Poe movies.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, those Edgar Allen Poe movies were all done
by Roger Corman. Uh, you know, the movie guy.
Speaker 1: And so Roger Corman has a has a role in
Silence in the Lambs.
Speaker 2: That's right, he does. Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna be a
lot of there's gonna be a Lodger. Roger Corman mentions,
I got one. I'm ready to Are you ready to
have your mind blown on this one? Jason? All right,
let's go. Okay. He played the very first Bond villain
La Chief in Casino Royale, the one that came out
that was made for TV that had the American actor
in it. He was the original, the chief, the original
who Peter Lourie.
Speaker 1: What ah, that's good desires bleed Blood.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure he was good at poker though.
Speaker 1: No, it's baccarat.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, sorry.
Speaker 1: We came across this movie through it an Ozzy Osbourne
album that we went through called No More Tears. We
did this about a year ago or so. Mister Tinkertrain
was the was the song, and the video pulled clips
from this movie, and that's how we came across, right.
Speaker 2: So in the movie he used real criminals right throw
back to beat it. And not only were they real criminals,
they were real wanted criminals. There were literally twenty four
of them arrested during the film running of the movie.
Speaker 1: Just round them all up at once, say got them
all here, We're done filming.
Speaker 2: You can come get them.
Speaker 6: Now, round up the usual suspects.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Fritz Lang was convinced to make this film after reading
the last scene of the script, when a mother ominously
warns you have to watch your children.
Speaker 2: You know, I talked about Peter Curtin. He denied that
it was just about Peter Curtin. He said, there were
lots of bad guys. Then I'll throw some names out.
If you're one of those folks who were into the
true crime serial killer stuff back then in Germany, you
had Fritz Harriman, who had twenty four victims, was known
as the Butcher of Hanover. You had Carl Grobman, who
was a cannibal ended up committing suicide before they could
convict him at trial. And you had Carl Dinky who
was known as the cannibal of Zeebeis. He had killed
and done other bad things to dozens.
Speaker 3: You're also forgetting the Hamburglar of Hamburg.
Speaker 1: Very very wanted criminal for a long time in the
seventies for sure.
Speaker 2: So we talked about how Fritz Lang had done silent
movies that had done m He had had a lot
of success with silent movies. This was his very first
sound movie, and he had been against sound, like when
they started doing it, he was like, I'm not doing
a sound movie. This is I don't like this. And
then when he did it, he did everything with sound
that everybody then did after him. He did narration, which
had never been been done before. He had a soundtrack.
He had a leap motif, which is where there's music
connected to a particular character with that whistle of in
the hall of the Mountain King. And then he had
like off camera sounds that let you know what was
going on in the areas that you couldn't see on
the screen. And then he would use silence just before
the big scares when there would be a loud boom. Nice,
there's supposed to be an earth shattering kooboo? Where is
there a shuddering kaboo? So it turns out Peter Lourie
couldn't whistle though, so when you hear the whistle, when
you hear the I can't whistle that. I'm dry man.
It's hard to talk this long. That is actually that's
Fritz Lang. That's Fritz Lang whistling.
Speaker 3: It's really easy. You just put your lips together and blow.
Speaker 2: Okay. So November sixteenth, nineteen fifty seven, Frank Warden comes
home after hunting all morning, goes to his other's hardware store,
walks in and she's not there. He doesn't know why
she's not there, and then he sees that the cash
register is open, and then they sees a bloodstain on
the floor. There's gone, and it appears that a body
has been drug out of the heart out of her
hardware store. And the only other thing that he sees
is a receipt for a gallon of anti freeze. And
he knows there was a local there yesterday who had
told his mother, Bernice Warden, that he was going to
come back that day and get a gallon of anti freeze.
And so they immediately went to go talk to that guy.
His name was ed Gean. Ed Gean, they arrested him,
or at least took him in for questioning, and they
went to the house to see if they could discover
any clues that would lead them to the discovery of
what happened to poor Bernice Warden. When they went into
the barn, they got the shock of their lives. They
saw what they thought was a deer hanging from the rafters.
As it turned out, it was the decapitated body of
Miss Warden, who had been gutted by mister Dean. And
that was just the beginning. When they got into the house,
they found skin, lampshades, nipple belts, miss Warden's severed head
next to the stove, the mask of a young woman
who had gone missing a couple of years before named
Mary Hogan, and a suit made of human skin. Sound familiar, Yes,
it's yes. All that is.
Speaker 1: Uh we're going to talk about here in just a
few minutes in silence of the lambs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I got it. It sounds gruesome, but it's
really I got big shoulders. It's hard to find clothing
that fits, so sometimes you just got to make it yourself,
right right, Well, you.
Speaker 1: Had listen, I did some reading on this. Yeah, unlike
Buffalo Bill, he had like straps on the side that
he could, you know, scent it up because you know,
you know, you wanted to extra snug hourglass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way I want you want to look
on in your skin. As it turns out, ed Geen
had been kind of mentally abused by his mother, but
was what we would describe as codependent upon her. I
guess maybe that's a slight understatement. Anyway, when she passed away,
he decided the way to bring her back was to
make a woman costume, which he would down in the
full moon and walk out in the middle of the
night and dance around in his.
Speaker 1: Yard by his best friend is his mama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So there was a guy or a
writer named Robert Block who just happened to live forty
miles away from ed Geen, and so he decided to
drive out there and do a little research. And what
resulted was a book called Psycho. Anybody read the book?
Not nope, nope, I have it all right. Somebody who
did read about the book was a guy who had
been described as the Fritz Lang of England, a guy
named Alfred Hitchcock who had become back the Steven Spielberg
of the nineteen fifties and was at the top of
his game. And he hears about Psycho and asks his company,
his studio company, to buy the rights to it. They
don't do it, they're not interested, and so he gets
them himself, pays nine five hundred dollars to Robert Block
for the rights to Psycho, what would go on to
become his most famous movie. Okay, so when he wanted
the screenplay written, he went to talk to a guy
named James Kavanaugh, who was a writer for Alfred Hitchcock
Presents his TV show that was going on at the time.
That guy brought back a story that bored him to tears,
which I don't know how you make a story about
a psycho killer who dresses like his mother boring, but
somehow this guy managed to do it. So they tapped
a guy named Joseph Stefano, who had only written one
movie before this, called The Black Orchid, and said we
want you to talk to mister Hitchcock. Hitchcock wasn't initially
interested until Stefano told him that he was in psychoanalysis,
and at that point it became interesting. He's like, I
think I can I can do some psychoanalysis stuff with
this character and the fact that he has his mother's
attachment thing going on. And he wrote the perfect script
and as it turns out, his first draft, Joseph Stefano's
first draft was the draft they used to shoot the movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they use their TV crew.
I mean this was made at a I mean the
budget was eight hundred five I have less than a
million dollars, and they used their TV crew. They used
all the guys that they shot the Alfred Hitchcock Present show.
Did you guys ever watch that show?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Used to watch that show all the time, and
my parents actually used to kind of joke about it
because when I was a baby, I was they used
to call me Alfred Hitchcock because I like looked like
a baby, all right, looked like a baby. I looked
like Alfred Hitchcock when I was a baby. So sometimes
they my dad would like, do that dough doom, do
do do do do doom, and he would turn me
sideways and try to take pictures of me that way.
So basically what I'm saying was it was a fat baby.
Speaker 2: That's a funny guy. So yeah. The studio that Hitchcock
was working for at the time was called Paramount. Heard
of them right, yep, the Mountain, the beginning of Raiders
Law start right, okase. But Paramount was like, this is repulsive.
There's no way that we're going to allow you to
make this movie. We're not. He's like, I'll tell you what.
I will shoot it for less than a million dollars.
You do not have to pay me the two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars that you normally pay me as
a director fee. I'll just take a sixty percent stake
in the movie. Good business decision for.
Speaker 1: Him, it was it was wow, all right?
Speaker 2: The serial killer list continues, and do you guys remember
the eighties. Do you remember all of the serial killers
that were doing stuff in the eighties. It was it
was crazy, like they were all over the place. Okay,
So you had Ted Bundy, who I realized he did
it most of his killing in the seventies, but he
was obviously went through the whole trial all of that
stuff in the eighties. So you get Ted Bundy, You've
got Gary Heidnik, You've got ed Kemper, You've got Gary Ridgeway,
You've got Alfred Trevino. Trevino and ed Gean of course
was not in the eighties, but he is on that list.
These are all guys that Thomas Harris used as inspiration
for Jamie Buffalo, Bill Gum in his book Silence of
the Lambs.
Speaker 1: Yep, Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer. They were John Douglas,
the character that Jack Crawford is based on. They were
pursuing him at the moment when they were filming and
working on all that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so ed Geen, obviously we've got the skin suit,
right Sewing's that's that relation with Ted Bundy that you
remember the armbrace that he's got at the beginning when
he's loading the couch. That was a trick that Ted
Bundy would use. He'd use crutches or an armbrace to
look helpless and use that to lure his victims. In
Gary Heidnik is the guy who this is interesting. I
had to read on this guy a little bit. He
developed his own like religion, and within a few years
this religious sect that he had formed had half a
million dollars. Like he had invested with Edward Jones, and
like was a wise and savvy investor who then later
on gets a bunch of prostitutes and keeps him in
a pit down in his basement. That's the that's the
way it relates to Silence of the Lambs. But he
tried to plead insanity like the rest of these guys.
But the Edward Jones guy or is whoever is financial
advisor was like, nope, he absolutely knew right from wrong.
He was a savvy investor. There's no question this guy
is not insane. And that's how he was one of
the only three people who've been executed in Pennsylvania since
their reinstitute of that.
Speaker 1: All right, so what about nineteen eighty six is Manhunter
are you guys familiar with that one? Seen that one?
Thoughts on that one?
Speaker 7: Yes, I've seen Man Hunter. Everybody else I've not seen it.
Speaker 6: I know it exists, I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: No, so that was a flop.
Speaker 1: Brian Cox actually plays Hannibal Elector.
Speaker 2: I want you to help me, doctor Lector. I thought
it's about Atlanta, Birmingham. Yeah, you want to know how
he's choosing them, don't you, Uncle Largo?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daphne's dad on Frasier to.
Speaker 2: Me, but yeah, Or you know, the main bad guy
in the Identity movies. Yeah, what'd you think of him? Dennis?
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 8: It's from a long time ago, and I mean it
wasn't as good. I think I was expecting more because
I think I saw Silence first and then obviously than
that one, and I think it was a bit of
a letdown. Wasn't as good, minderwhelming, I guess, is what
I would think it. You know, So I remember seeing
it some good spots and good parts, but then overall
like it had a kind of from I remember, a
pretty creepy vibe at that time. I was about, like
I'm trying to think when I saw that late teens,
maybe so yeah. So it wasn't like, it's not anything
that impressed me though overall. But I think it had
a decent creepy vibe to it at some At some points.
Speaker 2: I saw it in the late nineties, and I would
I liked Silence of the Lambs, Okay, so I was like, oh,
this is the prequel to that. And Michael Man is
the same guy who gave us Miami Vice. And as
as soon as it started going, I was like, Oh,
this is like Silence of the Lambs Miami Vice style.
That's exactly what it looked like.
Speaker 1: Crockett and Tubs come in, they get lecture.
Speaker 8: I think Dennis Farno was in there too, the guy
from Like the Deep was that Get Shorty? What was
the TV show where he was in there?
Speaker 7: Dun New York. He wasn't a cop, sure, Dennis Frina,
he's a Chygo actor.
Speaker 3: He was on orders for a bit.
Speaker 1: So this is interesting to me. So Manhunter Michael Mann
tries his hand at the Hannibal Electric character. It flops
at the movie theater. Dino de la Renis was actually
the producer of it. Of course, Dino de lancis famous
for all kinds of awesomely bad movies from the eighties.
Flash Gordon am Conan the Barbarian, and so he had
the Hannibal Elector character rights, and when O'Ryan went to him,
he's like, I can't do any with this character. Here
you go, gave it over for free.
Speaker 3: Little known fact they were actually planning to do a
musical of Hannibal Lecter and that was one of the songs.
They were gonna take it from Flash Gordon, but it
was gonna be flesh.
Speaker 2: Back to our Roger Corman reference, Jonathan Demi was a
guy who had gotten his start with Roger Corman. I
took a look at him. His first movie was a
girl prison movie called Caged Heat. I made the Sacrifice
and watched that I did indeed well, lots and lots
of boobies, lots and lots of boobies. Beyond that, not
a really great movie. But what he went on, he improved,
he got better. He ended up making a movie called
Melvin and Howard, which Mary Steambergon won Best Supporting Actress
for her performance in. And then he did a movie
that we've talked about. This movie is called Something Wild.
Do you remember where we talked about this Jiff.
Speaker 1: Daniels Dumb and Dummer.
Speaker 2: There you go. So he did Something Wild, which is
the movie that they talk about in Dumb and Dumber.
Then he did Married to the Mob, and then he
got tapped to do this movie. Well, the book had
been out and Jodi Foster was like, I want to
play this part. She petitioned to play this part, but
when she found out that Jonathan Demi was going to
be directing it, she was like, well, he's definitely going
to be given it to Michelle Pfeiffer. I don't even
need to bother, but I'm just gonna go and meet
him and let him know I'm interested as a plan B.
And that worked because Michelle Pfeiffer said, no, no, I
don't want to do that. Seems gross. Seems gross, and
so she got to play the young officer starling.
Speaker 3: Thing about Something Wild, also starring Ray Liotta.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you see the sequel to Silence of Lamb's Hannibal,
doesn't he get his brain eating in that movie?
Speaker 1: Eat his brains?
Speaker 6: That's right, yes, while he's alive.
Speaker 3: Still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit at a time, and as
long as we're making connections. There was a movie that
came out called Hitchcock, which starred Anthony Hopkins. Anthony Hopkins
as Alfred Hitchcock while he was directing the movie Psycho.
Speaker 1: Other names associated with Cleary Starling where Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman,
and Hallie Barry. You guys probably didn't have a lot
of time. But what do you think in recasting wise?
Is Jody Foster the perfect one? Do you have anybody
else that'd.
Speaker 2: Be Let's start with Jody FOSX sir? Who would you
guys cast instead of Jodie Foster back then? Or no,
we don't care, do now let's say they're rebanking it. Now,
who are you going to cast now?
Speaker 7: Scarlettohansen?
Speaker 8: Oh, maybe Sigourney Weaver back then?
Speaker 7: I would have been interested.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good one. Pat, you got any thoughts
on that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: See, and I'm looking at Jodi Foster's age back then,
he doesn't count either.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I figured, I figured.
Speaker 4: I struggled with this question, and you know, it's it's
really interesting, you know, I'm I'm kind of lost and
thought with everything you guys are mentioning, like, oh, that
would be interesting seeing that person play this role. M
that would be I don't know if I have anything
to offer to the conversation with that. Yeah, And sometimes
it's hard. When I go back and watch movies when
I was younger, I tend to see those actors and
actresses like I did when I was that age. So
when I rewatched this movie, Jody Foster seems like someone
older than myself, even though when I'm looking at the
age that she was, and she would a few years
younger than what I am right now.
Speaker 2: If it helps it all. She was born in sixty two,
so she'd be nine whenever the movie came out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I said, I was obviously well younger
than that when the movie came out, and I'm slightly
older than that now.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep just saying I don't have anything, guys.
But it's interesting because Jodi Foster really just seemed to
bring something like just a very unique touch to this
and so it's kind of hard to imagine who else,
either now or back then, that would fill that role.
Halle Berry. That struck me as pretty interesting because John,
didn't we just do a movie where halle Berry was
like her first role? Yeah, yeah, she was Sam Sam
Jackson's girlfriend.
Speaker 2: In Jungle fever, jungle fever.
Speaker 4: Jungle fever. Yes, and so like that, really I'm kind
of stuck on that name, because wow, that's a really
interesting question recasting this role as Jodi Foster, because she
really just seemed to nail this character. She was the
real deal. I mean, she was not quite in over
her head. She was equal to most all of the
challenges present to her in the movie. But then she
was also very vulnerable to Hannibal Lecter. And I want
to say that in I don't want to jump the
gun with trivia here, but I want to say that
there was something that Anthony Hopkins did in a scene.
I think it was going after her accent or something
that Jodie Foster wasn't ready for, and that like set
her back a peg when you know, all of a sudden,
Anthony Hopkins was coming after the same way that Hannibally. Yeah,
so I was just going to say it would have
to be someone that was like both strong but also vulnerable.
And I've got two names that I yeah, take mind, Jeff.
Speaker 6: That kind of jumped out at me. One was Gina Davis.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 6: And the other was Demi Moore. Like maybe not so
much the physicality of like you know, running through the uh,
doing the course work, but just some some of the
psychological stuff and portraying that aspect of character. Both of
those could have brought a very interesting take to that character,
Johnny get anything.
Speaker 3: The one I had in mind, I had one kind
of playing around in my head. But it's because back
in the late eighties early nineties, I just wanted to
see every movie she was in. So one of my
first thoughts was a Winona writer and well that yes, everyone,
all right, I'm just gonna excuse myself for a minute.
I'm gonna go watch Labyrinth. I'll be back in a
little bit. But theother one I was thinking about because
I pat to your point too. With the character of
I always have to say it, Glaris. With the character
of Claris, it's got to be somebody who is almost
almost seems like physically physically unassuming or physically weak is
not the right word, but but someone who you're gonna
underestimate her a little bit. You know, you might look
at her and be like, all right, well there's not
much there to her, and she's you know, she's she's
probably a very quiet person. But she's got a strength
to her that she will just walk right into this
mental institution and walk right up to one of the
worst killers in the United States and start having a
conversation with him. So somebody that I thought could potentially
do something like that, Uma Thurman, I thought might not
be a bad choice for something like that. Yeah, but
I mean you've got I mean even her name, like,
she's her last name is a bird. It's your so
you're like and he kind of plays off of that
a little bit when he refers to her as Starling,
you know, fly away, And it's got to be something
that there's the when you first look at her, there's
the innocence, there's the almost the unassuming nature. But then
it's got to be somebody that could walk right up
and just start having a conversation with Hannibal the Cannibal.
Speaker 2: So when Jonathan Demi was casting the FBI extras whenever
She's going through the FBI Academy at the very beginning
of the movie, he deliberately cast guys who were tall.
He was trying to find guys that were over six
foot tall. And I don't really think of Jodie Foster
as this teeny tiny lady. But that's just because she's
been up with actors who are not particularly tall. But
there's that scene where she gets on the elevator and
like it's a bunch of guys and her, and she
looks like ahead and a half shorter than everybody else.
I think that's right. It's like you're setting the stage
to say, here's this little girl. And then she goes
and is tough with him and is and holds her
own like she's been trying to hold her own her
whole life. So my answer to the question sit born
the same year Jennifer Jason Lake. Nice.
Speaker 3: My one of my favorite things about that scene in
the elevator is when is when she goes all right,
before we get started, does anybody want to get off?
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I thought you were gonna say
she pushed all the buttons and said, ooh like a
Christmas tree.
Speaker 6: What about Robin Wright.
Speaker 1: The same birth year? I looked at her same deal.
You know, she's beautiful, talented, smart, can hold her own.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: The one I came up with Jamie Lee Curtis. I
didn't even think about her connection to Psycho, but she's beautiful,
but she could be tough, you know, so, and she
kind of fits that age range. She's even old now, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like she's been my first My first
thought was Holly Hunter, but she's a little older. She's
a little older, but I thought she'd have the good
Southern accent and the right height.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Hannibal Lecter for a minute. You
guys ready, we ready to yeah, get everybody in that one,
all right. Hannibal Lecter. He's ranked as the number one
villain of all time by AFI over Darth Vader.
Speaker 2: Wow, number one. I don't know i'd agree with that.
He's awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, the character itself is awesome.
Speaker 4: Kind of hard to root against him at some points
in the movie. I mean I was kind of like,
sort of like rooting for the monster in a monster
movie or the Sharks and Deep bluec It was like, dude,
this guy's going to get out. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So Anthony Hopkins was cast, of course one an Oscar
did a fantastic job. But I'm just gonna throw these
other names at you to see what you think about.
These are the guys that were considered for Hannibal lecter, okay,
Robert Duvall.
Speaker 2: Getting the headshake from John, getting a nod from Pat,
blank stare from Dennis and Jeff.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think he's menacing in
any way. He's too nice. It seems sweet, all right.
Speaker 2: John Hurt John Hursts, the guy from Alien right that
has the thing come out of his chest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I've got some these names blew my mind. Okay,
So Robert Duvall, Jeremy Irons I think would have been good.
Speaker 6: That's who I was speaking. Jeremy Irons popped into my mind.
Speaker 1: He's scary, right, I mean he's menacing. Jack Nicholson, Dustin.
Speaker 2: Hoffman, ooh that one. No, how about Patrick Stewart.
Speaker 6: That'd be interesting, that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 7: Dustin Hoffman. I can't see that though.
Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman's about five foot one.
Speaker 7: So scary is thing he's ever done?
Speaker 3: Man, there's definitely thirteen bodies buried in the back.
Speaker 2: So here you go.
Speaker 1: Lewis Gossip Junior, John lithgow In, the one that bloomy away, Christopher.
Speaker 3: Lloyd Artie body is very heavy, help me drag it.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because, like I could see Christopher Lloyd, and
I could see Patrick Stewart right. And it's funny because,
like I know, Christopher Lloyd obviously is Doc Brown, like
he is Doc Brown, but he was also Commander Krueg
and search for Spock. So I've seen him as a villain,
so I think, hell, Judge, oh yeah, Jeff, that's yeah,
hell yeah, he would he would seem to be. I
don't I don't know if unhinged is the right word.
The Anthony Hopkins portrayal of him is, I don't want
to say more cultured, but I'm just going to say
more cultured, whereas I think Christopher Lloyd, at least based
on the other characters that he's played, would be a
little bit more psycho guy, right, Patrick Stewart, you know,
obviously John Luke Picard and then also in Dune he
played I always forget the guy's name, not Hallick, was
it Gurnie Hallick or whatever he was? He was the
in dou and he was the Prince's like right hand man.
But seeing him as a bad guy, he's I know,
he's been a bad guy in at least one film,
but I could see Patrick Stewart just you know, pulling
on all his capital a acting chops and really like
that would be cool, but I mean, Anthony Hopkins is
so good.
Speaker 6: Don Lis.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a little surprised that they didn't throw this
out the Willem Dafoe's Ah, that's a good one, because
I feel like, I mean, you look at you look
at some pictures. I feel like you look at some
pictures of Hannibal Lecter and like one of the things
that one of the things that really gets me when
I look at pictures of him is he looked like
Anthony Hopkins looks like a reptile. And I know that
that was one of the things that he specifically brought
to that character, was you know he I think he
based it off of a friend of his who had
this habit of not blinking. And then he also was like, well,
reptiles don't blink, So I link in my scenes unless
it's at a dramatic time, I'm gonna be very intentional
about when I blink. And so he's just got even
if you look at still photos of him as Hanniballector,
he looks like a reptile. And then when he's got
the mask on in those other scenes, you just you
see his eyes and they're just his eyes are just massive.
And I look at a picture of Willim Foe and
I'm like, Okay, he could pull off the reptile look.
He could pull off the I'm just a normal person.
I'm very educated. I'm a well rounded human being. But
if you let me out of this cage, I probably
will eat your face. Yeah, I could believe that.
Speaker 8: I'm jumping ahead, but it was like will and Dafoe
is one of the ones that I had also to
play Buffalo Bill, and I can't see how he could
play either one of those roles. He could probably do both,
like I mean that obviously at the same time, but
he could do one.
Speaker 7: I think he qualify for both of those roles.
Speaker 8: So Willam Davoe's got that, like you said that, that
range of if he gets really serious and kind of creepy.
Now back the ligo I think we were searching for
when he If anybody's seen obviously Dexter, he played a
full season on Dexter and was a really good serial
killer in there.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my pick for Hannibal Lekker would probably be
Jack Nicholson among them, but he was considered the one
that you haven't mentioned that I thought would be a
good one would be Jeff Colbland.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: You can do the more. Yeah, he can do smart.
He can do smart and poised. Even though he is
that affectation that he does, he can pull it back
and do something like The Fly where he's smart and
poised and awesome.
Speaker 1: He can talk about chaos theory.
Speaker 3: Hello, Clarice I had There were a couple other ones
that I had from back then. One of the other
ones I thought of was John Malkovich.
Speaker 1: Ye oh, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: When I did some of the names for today, like
if we were going to cast the movie for today,
the one that I wrote down for Hannibal Lecter was
Jackie Earl Haley.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nailed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be you gotta look a little off.
Jonathan Demi offered the part to Sean Connery. That was
his first choice.
Speaker 7: Clarice Walking, I think it had been there pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a census man tried to test me with some
fava beans and a nice kianti.
Speaker 7: And then the other one for today I would have
been Christoph Waltz.
Speaker 6: Oh that that'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Nice. Okay, So Buffalo Bill? You got
alternatives for Buffalo Bill? I don't have any alternatives for
Buffalo Bill. I know Ted Levine got the part. He's
actually from Belvidere, Ohio.
Speaker 1: The house that James Gum gets captured in at the
end of the movie was right next door to the
house where his high school girlfriend lived.
Speaker 2: Literally, Wow, I've been here. I've been here before.
Speaker 1: I got the second base right there.
Speaker 2: Mystery of the broad class solved. That's right.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything on who possibly was replacing him,
But what do you guys got for alternates for Buffalo Bill?
Speaker 8: Michael Emerson was one guy from lost Okay, and then
and this is weird that you wouldn't think of this one,
but I don't know why, but Dak Shephard for some
reason bopped out.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wow, it would have been a little funnier.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd like to see him in a serious role.
It would have been interesting to see if you pull
that up.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could see him do the tucking
scene without laughing. You gotta be able to pull off
the tux scene.
Speaker 7: Also, Jake Bucy, I would say.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: That's that's a good one. Nailed that one. Yeah, that's
a good one of the time. At the time, Steve Bushimi.
Speaker 4: I did the jokers from the more recent Batman movies.
Either it was a Joaquin Phoenix right or or.
Speaker 2: Jered Ya would be too pretty?
Speaker 6: Who was yeah?
Speaker 4: Who was the who is the one in the chrystal.
I can't think of his name. Heath Ledger, I think,
you know, Heath Ledger or Joaquin Phoenix. Sorry, I think
would make a real interesting you know, being able to
play that character.
Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix would do the tucking scene.
Speaker 8: On my long list were Crispin Christmas Glover and Andy Serkis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go both. Yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: I had for names from today. Joaquin Phoenix was on
mine because I'm picturing like the whole tucking and dance
scene and like dancing down the staircase and yeah, that
whole thing. And then the other one I thought of
that could be, like somebody from today that could be
kind of interesting was Tom Hillston kind of like that
when I picture Buffalo Bill like, I picture kind of
like a like a tall, kind of lanky guy. I
don't know just when when he plays Loki, I picture
him as being kind of a tall, lanky guy, and
I think he's got enough acting chops that he could
pull off. He could pull off the socially awkward, weird,
you know, whatever he needs to do to be a
buffalo bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, English smart.
Speaker 6: You know, I've had a couple of names that kind
of popped popped in my head. So this would be
back in early nineties, that there's something about these actors
that could portray the really off the wall in an
uncomfortable sort of way type of character.
Speaker 3: Right, So like.
Speaker 6: Nick Cage, maybe Edward Norton because when you think of that,
the movie he was in with Richard gear Ye from
Primal Fear. Yeah, like that's sort of character.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, Edward Norton was the main character in Red Dragon,
the prequel movie, Go yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Detective Will Graham Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then Gary Oldman was the other name that came
to mind.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, Gary Oldman could play any part in
any movie anywhere.
Speaker 1: He actually plays Mason Berger, the guy who ate his
face in Was It Hannibal? He plays in a sequel
to Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 2: Gary Oldman could have played Clarice and done it well.
Speaker 4: He a speaking of speaking of Clarice, I just thought
of a couple of names that Katie Holmes or Jennifer Lawrence,
I think from today.
Speaker 3: Earlier when you when you said Jennifer Connley, I got distracted,
But the more I thought about it, actually I think
of her in uh we had been watching this show
snow Piercer, and like her character in that if she
was just a maybe a little bit younger, but playing
that character, I don't know if you guys have seen
that TV show, but she's got you know, she she
has a little bit of a physical stature that's unassuming
kind of a deal, but she's also strong and confident,
and she can walk into a room and tell people
what to do. And so actually, Jennifer Conley today wouldn't
even be a bad choice for a Clarice.
Speaker 6: That's where I circled back to Robin Wright. Yeah, I
think Robin Wright could have pulled that off too, especially
when you once you find out what she's really capable.
Like her character in the House of Cards, Yeah, was
like frightening, frighteningly strong, frighteningly tough. So I think, you know,
knowing that she has that within her thirty years ago
in the nineties. I think she could have been a
great Clarice.
Speaker 4: Who played Zoe Bartlett on Wesling Elizabeth Moss.
Speaker 7: Yeah about Scarlett Johansson.
Speaker 3: And we've come full circle.
Speaker 8: I would go maybe another one I would throw and
would be. Another of my favorites that I always just
love was Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she can play about anything. Okay, just some names
for Jack Crawford. Scott Glenn actually played the part in
the movie. They thought about Michael Keaton, Mickey Rourke, and
Kenneth Brannaugh. I thought those were pretty good names. And
Gene Hackman, I don't know if he goes know this
or not. He bought the rights to Silence of the Lambs.
This was supposed to be his directorial debut. I don't
know what he was looking at. But after he bought it,
he thought, now this is too gross, too graphic, and
he bowed out. But I also heard him as directing
and playing Crawford and Jack Crawford's character is based on
the real life John Douglas. I've read his book called Manhunter. Fascinating,
but I'll give you nightmares.
Speaker 8: I would have said Kevin Spacey maybe two for that
role too. Could have been pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Boris Fishburne actually plays him in the TV series. Did
you guys anybody see in the TV series?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I haven't. Yeah, they had a TV series that was
called Hannibal. Was it just a few years ago, wasn't it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got one coming out this year or it
has been out this year called Clarice. Oh.
Speaker 6: I didn't catch that at all, so ill that's what
I thought you were talking. I started watching Clarice. I
only got like two or three episodes in, and it
was just it was not landing.
Speaker 2: Well. Okay. Trivia question, name the first slasher movie, the
first movie with a toilet, the first movie with a
toilet flush, and first movie with a girl and just
her bra and slip.
Speaker 6: That'd be Psycho Picho is the correct answer?
Speaker 2: Very good? All right? Now real quick? What was the
boyfriend's name in Psycho?
Speaker 3: Sam?
Speaker 2: Sam?
Speaker 1: What? Sam?
Speaker 4: Why is Gamgee?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sam Loomis?
Speaker 2: Sam Loomis is the correct answer. Where else is there
a character with the name Sam Loomis?
Speaker 1: Halloween?
Speaker 2: I did not call your name, mister. Please stop shouting
the answers out. Sorry, the answer is correct. Is Halloween?
The doctor in Halloween is named Sam Loomis as a
throwback to Psycho, So another relation if you will. Yes, Okay,
so let's talk about first scene and best scene for
each of the movies. All right, So first scene of
m You've got the kids dancing around in the circle
playing the game where like people are getting hacked up
and you kind of get out of the circle if
you get hacked up, right, And then the mothers are
like stop, you know, stop playing that game. The other
mother is like, hey, at least if we can hear them,
we know we're there. They're there. And then you see
the wanted poster. You see murder on the wanted poster.
If you happen to speak German, it's not a real
hard translation to make. But then a shadow comes over
the word murder and it's the killer. Right. What do
you guys think? What'd you think of the first scene.
Speaker 3: Of em I thought that was great, Like I thought,
especially knowing that this is one of the earliest movies
that incorporated sound, you know, to start it off with.
I mean, because always, and at that point it wouldn't
have been the case, but I always, I always love
a good creepy child in a horror movie, you know,
and the kids song that they were singing was like
just creepy enough to be like, all right, well, I
I can see where if somebody watching this in nineteen
thirty one was like, good lord, that was a morbid
little song being sung by children. You know, that may
not have started the trend of let's put creepy kids
in movies to scare people.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I thought it was very simple, right, It wasn't too
complex trying to set up too many possible avenues of
you know, possible misdirection or red herrings, Like we're pretty
much going to tell you what's going on. These kids
are going to sing about it, their mothers are going
to clarify some things, and then we're going to see
the murder, like the word murder show up, and then
you get the entrance of the murderers. Like, yeah, that's
pretty much everything I need to know right now. So
thank you very much for these three and a half minutes.
I hope the rest of the movie isn't as obvious
as the first handful of minutes were.
Speaker 4: I agree with everything that's been said.
Speaker 1: Then did you get a chance to watch Yeah? I did.
Speaker 9: Now, the one thing that I watched both the title
version for half of it. I did watch the English version,
and I was just curious because you said the sciences murder,
which I thought too, What's interesting on the English version
because what they do is they'll suppose the English text
over and it just says ten thousand marks reward missing.
It doesn't say murder in that one version, which is weird.
Speaker 8: So I was just wondering how the when they translated
it was interesting how they if that was correct that
was missing or murder, because I was like, wondering, are
they in the in the German part, it looks like
it's almost the question mark of something.
Speaker 7: Is it murder or is it? Like I wonder.
Speaker 8: I took German, so I should know this, but for
two years but in high school. But yeah, I'm just
curious what that sign really said in German because to
me it looks like something murder, probably for a reward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they they refilmed, like a lot of this,
a lot of the movie for to be to be
in English.
Speaker 7: Right, So they refilmed it.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the original version that Fritz Lang did,
and then they refilmed a lot of it to be
in English. And Peter Lorie played his same part in
the English version as well. He had escaped to the
US by then because he was also Jewish and knew
it was time to get out of Nazi Germany. And
that was his first English speaking movie. Was this movie? Really? Yeah?
So his second English speaking movie was The Man Who
Knew Too Much, which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Okay, guys,
we're going to take a quick second to do our
new segment called the Shirley Showcase. Today we have mister
Dayton Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dayton Johnson's a friend of ours. He has been
on the Film By podcast, which those guys are friends
of ours, and now he's got his own podcast called
Docking Bay seventy seven.
Speaker 2: That is your sort of Star Wars reference. Right, that's
what I took it as. I think that's got to be.
We got to ask him that question. Yeah, all right,
Well let's hear from Dayton Johnson. He's got an episode,
a throwback to one of the episodes that we did
last year season one, and he's going to give us
his opinion on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor feel Good and skid Row. Here's Daton Johnson.
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, it's Dayton from the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast.
I thought I do it shout out twenty year older episodes,
skid Row versus Doctor feel Good, A little history real quick,
my bet A fan of Motley Crue for a while.
I still actually own my original Shout at the Devil
on vinyl, and I actually did buy Doctor fiel Good
when was released back in eighty nine. Schedule is a
little different. Yeah, I heard him on the radio a lot,
and I had friends that had their CD so I
got to listen to them, but it wasn't until the
last year or so that actually bought skid Row Enslaved
to the Grind on CD. Now, when comparing these two records,
I decided to look at the songs that weren't released
as opposed to the singles, because both records had a
lot of great singles released.
Speaker 3: Off with them.
Speaker 10: So when I started looking at skid Row, songs like
Sweet Little Sister, Making a Mess and Can't Stand the
Heartache really stood out as really good rock songs. Midnight
Tornado also stands out, and to a lesser extent, Rattlesnake
Shake and Big Guns. It's a really solid record, especially
since it was a debut album. Doctor Fieldgud had a
lot of good singles released off hit. Every one of
them is stellar, but when you look at the other
songs on the album, they're really not all that great.
I mean, yeah, there's a nice bluesy swing to them,
but I didn't find myself singing along to them, and
I really just kind of let them play in the
background and sometimes even skipped. So I'm kind of surprising
myself because going into this, I thought I knew my answer,
But after revisiting both records, I decided that skid Row
put out a better record. Even though I think Doctor
Field is a great album, skid Row just kind of
edges it out for a debut album. It really does rock. Hey, guys,
thanks for letting me do this, and I'm looking forward
to more good episodes, all right.
Speaker 2: I love it that he had the experience like we've
had before, where we revisit something and we're amazed that
we missed out on the first go round.
Speaker 1: I think when you compare album with the album, I've
got to agree with him. I think skid Row's album
is better than Doctor Feel Good, even though I love
Doctor Field. Good Dayton, thank you for doing that for us.
We really appreciate that. Go check out his new podcast,
Documents seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Dayton really appreciates you and all your input.
And also be sure and go check out the film
by podcast with Dayton and Friends.
Speaker 1: All Right, So that's going to do it for part
one of our m Versus Psycho Versus Silence of the
Lambs episode. We'll be back next week with the awesome
thirty something guys again as we continue our conversation, getting
a little bit more in depth this time.
Speaker 2: Those three movies excellent. Look forward to seeing you guys.
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