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Autopsy CD.

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Speaker 2: Your anagrams are showing through, mister Calvin an Obscene Serial

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Story Acopsy CD. This must be the Surely you Can't

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Be Serious podcast. Welcome back, everybody. This is d I'm

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here with my friend Jason, and we are joined by

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the brilliant company of men that make up the thirty

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something Movie Podcast. We have John, Pat, Jeff and Dennis

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joining us for this incredible mega episode where we're going

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to talk about Silence of the Lambs that was thirty

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years ago, Psycho that was sixty years ago, and m

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which was ninety years ago, all serial killer movies and

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we are going to cut their guts out and string

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them up and see what we think.

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Speaker 1: Guys, We're so happy to have you guys. How y'all

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doing tonight?

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, we all go a little mad.

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, guys, my brother is He listens

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to some of my episodes, but not all of them.

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The last time that I saw him, he said, I

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think my favorite episode that you guys did was the

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Star Wars special episode. I was like, great, that's great.

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That was one of our favorite ones to do. So

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I think it's just great to be together with you

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guys again.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so great seeing you guys. Awesome, yep, awesome.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when we did that podcast, I did trivia.

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I thought it'd be fun. He thought that was one

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of the best parts. This will be a little bit

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different than we did last time. Let me give you

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a little bit of trivia. See who can jump in?

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Who can give me the answers here? All right? What

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is a horror movie that was originally titled The Babysitter Murders.

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Before we get going, I just have to say I

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was listen to our last episode and I heard our

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manskate Dad, and I was thinking, Okay, this is getting

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a little old and crusty.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's getting a little old and Crusty's my.

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Speaker 2: Yard if the yard of the summer is winding down

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and my yard needs to be mode getting a little

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out of control in some.

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Speaker 1: Areas, some bushes need to be hedged back.

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Speaker 2: Some lawn mowing needs to be done, some weed whacking

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needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I like my lawn mode and trim.

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Speaker 2: My tree always looks taller whenever I cut my grass shorter.

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Speaker 5: Yea.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me.

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Speaker 1: We've got this new product that we want to talk

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to you about. It's called the lawn mower and the

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weed whacker for manskip.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lawn mower four point zero for the other things

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that might be a little bit old and crusty.

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Speaker 1: On you right now, let's trim those things up.

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Speaker 2: In addition to mowing, you probably also need to put

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some conditioning on your other parts that are mode and

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so there are products that they have that make things

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smooth and comfortable there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you we're starting football season. You know

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what Tom Brady takes care of every week, his balls.

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Tom Brady makes sure his balls are in ship shape.

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Speaker 2: If you just need a little trimming, say up in

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your nose or in your ears, they have got the

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weed whacker. Definitely check that out. So go to manscapes

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Speaker 1: Whack it.

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Speaker 2: I got an answer, Jason's you get anybody else? Anybody

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want to venture a guest? Yeah? What you paid? Dennis?

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I don't.

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Speaker 5: I would think nightmare on ELM Street, but.

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Speaker 2: Close, close, Nope, not a nightmare on Elm Street. Who

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else's got one? Nobody? John Johnson, he's got a hesitant hand.

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Speaker 3: John, I'm gonna say Halloween.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the answer to that. Halloween was supposed to

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be the Babysitter murders. All right? Add on question, whose

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mask was involved? Yeah, it's too easy, shout it out

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if you know it. Shatner, William Shatner's face turned inside

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out and spray painted and all kinds of weird stuff.

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All right. Now, final on this particular brand of questions,

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how does that movie relate to one of the three

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movies that we're talking about tonight?

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Speaker 4: As the least qualified person to answer this, does it

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relate that? Like they put someone's face on in that

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movie and in well, I want to be careful. We've

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already said spoiled and you're shaking your head, so I'm

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not going down the right way.

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Speaker 2: Right. Just remember that a lot of these movies are

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about guys who had mommy issues.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Jason's got his hand up. What you got, Jason?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that Michael Myers killed his parents.

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. But what does that have to

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do with any of the movies.

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Speaker 1: Or once we're talking with Norman Bates killed his mother?

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Who else did he kill his mother's lover? And who

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else did he kill? The most important scene in the

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whole freaking movie?

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Speaker 2: Who did he kill?

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Speaker 1: A traveler who came to the hotel.

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Speaker 2: Who was played by Jimi Jamie Curtis was the brother

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of Jamie Lee Curtis, who was in her Dave You

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in Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Good one, good one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we have I don't think we have

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any level eleven horror movie.

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Speaker 4: Fans here, like I'm definitely not. But I'm just glad

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that he'd killed Jamie Lee Curtis's mom after Jamie Lee

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Curtis was born, because otherwise we wouldn't have true lies.

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So I'm just saying that's that's just good news to

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love true lives.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and trading places. Yeah, I will tell you guys

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that Janet Lee was also with Jamie Lee Curtis in

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h two, Oh the Halloween. Like later on.

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Speaker 1: Sequel, they both have killer mods too, killer Box.

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Speaker 2: They do both have killer killer bods.

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Speaker 5: I think the tape was worn out and uh, okay,

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So let me ask you guys a question.

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Speaker 2: Who likes scary movies? Among you? I got Jason raising

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his hand, I got John raising his hand. I got

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a so so away from Jeff. You out on the

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scary movies.

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Speaker 4: I don't do scary movies, but I've really dug these

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Speaker 2: So okay.

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Speaker 6: I like psychological movies.

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Speaker 2: And Dennis still has his hand up high.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so smart scary movies, yes, smart scary movies that

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slash or killer, psychle crazy stuff.

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Speaker 6: I like a good, good psychological thriller. That's where I matt.

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like that doesn't do anything for me.

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Speaker 2: So I wondered about this because I really I don't

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have much of a desire to be scared. I do

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like the thinking aspect of these movies. I don't really

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care to just be scared. I don't enjoy it, but

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like this safety of your in a movie theater, and

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you know the danger that you are getting the rush

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of fight or flight chemicals from. But it turns out

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a lot of people like to be scared. And Alfred

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Hitchcock has an incredible quote on this.

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Speaker 6: I want to hear, I want to hear el.

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Speaker 2: I like him. He makes me laugh. No, Albert Dischcock

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has an incredible quote on this. He says, everybody likes

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to be scared. Even babies like to be scared. That's

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why the first thing you say to them is.

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Speaker 4: Boo good quote.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we're gonna talk about scary movies tonight.

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I'm going to give you guys a quick history. So

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in eighteen ninety six, George Malaise was filming on a

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pair of street It was one of those hand crank

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kind of cameras, and he got jammed on him and

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he finally got it working again. He started cranking it

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again and he had taken a film that changed into

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a completely different film on the second part. And what

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the result was was this image that children who had

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been playing some changed into horses, men changed into women,

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and the most spooky part, a bus full of workers

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turned into a hearse. And this spooky little trick became

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Trick Films, which was the first of special effects films

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that we had, which of course immediately led into horror film,

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the first of which was House of the Devil. Then

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we have in nineteen ten, the first version of Frankenstein

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comes out from the Edison Studios of Thomas Edison, and

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it's a total flop. It's a sixteen minute thing that

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really doesn't relate to Frankenstein at all. But every reviewer says,

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this type of movie is something not for the general public.

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morgue keepers would find enjoyable, but not the general public.

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The Phantom of the Opera and he does more special

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effects of his own where he changes his face, and

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you have one of the most dramatic scenes in silent

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films when she rips the mask off the Phantom of

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the Opera and he has that ghastly, toothy, sharp faced grin,

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looks like the girl on Fright Night maybe. And then

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nineteen thirty one m Dracula Frankenstein about the ninth installment

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of Doctor Jekylne mister Hyde. But it was the best,

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so the other other movies that came out in thirty

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one included three from this young director named Alfred Hitchcock.

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So em was released in Germany May of nineteen thirty one.

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of years March of nineteen thirty three, which is about

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the time that Fritz Lang said I got to get

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out of this country or they're going to kill me. Awesome,

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all right, keep on keep on going, keep on going.

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I'll tell that. I'll tell that story later.

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Speaker 3: All right. I think there's some controversy about didn't he

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kind of tell a story about how he escaped from Germany?

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I'll tell the story. Now, tell a story, man.

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Speaker 2: So the story is he's directed this second like basically

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second took part to a movie that he had done

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before that involves like this psycho criminal and in the

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second part he is putting slogans of the Nazi Party

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in the mouth of the villainous psychopath. And so he's

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feeling pretty haughty at this point. And you know, the

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yellow Shirts at the time are saying, we're going to

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take this film from you, and you're not gonna be

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able to show it. And he's like, you want to

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take it, you go ahead and try to take it.

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So they take it, and then he gets an invitation

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from Joseph Goebbels. Yeah, yeah, Joseph Goebbels, who's you know,

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the Minister of Propaganda and Hitler's writing and man. And

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by invitation, I mean order to appear. And so he

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goes into this you know, creepy marble department that Joseph

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Goebbels has his office in. He's getting pretty nervous. He

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walks in and Joseph Goebbels is immediately friendly and shaking

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both of his hands and immediately starts telling him how

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much he loved Metropolis, which is Fritz Lang's you know,

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big movie from nineteen twenty seven, and how much Hitler

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loved that movie and how they've decided they want him

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to be their head guy for Nazi films. And he says,

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you know that like my mother, I converted to Catholicism,

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but she was Jewish, which you know makes me Jewish.

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and who is not. And he's like, wow, okay, and

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so Goebels starts to give him advice on his films,

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and he keeps looking out of the window at this

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clock in the street, thinking, Okay, I've got a little

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bit of time before the bank's close. If I can

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meeting and get all of my money, I can get

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out of the country. But Goebels keeps talking to him,

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he keeps looking at the clock. Goebels is like, you know,

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takes over the body of somebody else. The movie should

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just end right there. And he's like, oh, yeah, you're

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totally right. That is exactly great idea. That is exactly

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banks are closed. So he goes back home. He has

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like five thousand dollars in cash at home and decides

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he's going to leave everything else. He goes to his

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door and sees that his building is surrounded by the

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Yellow Shirts. He's like, okay, they're going to keep me

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prisoner here. There's nothing I'm going to be able to do.

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in some military exercise. They don't care about him at all.

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Speaker 1: John, did you read something on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had looked up with a different things. He

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ended up on the train and they were coming around

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and normally you'd have like a conductor or somebody come

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around and check your papers, your tickets, whatever, And I

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guess he's on the train, and according to his story,

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he's in one of the train cars and I don't

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know if there's a couch or a bed in there.

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he's like, oh crap, they're gonna like, they're gonna come

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in here. They're gonna find me, they're gonna recognize me.

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to do what I, you know, tell my actors to do.

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I got to just start faking something. And so he

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enough to make the you know, yellow shirts think, ah,

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somebody's in there sleeping, let's go on to the next

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was like, well, sorry, this door is locked. Don't feel

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Speaker 2: This is not the jew you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I heard a story. I wanted to elaborate this,

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so yeah, well here's what I heard. Is when Gebbels

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was questioning him in the room, at one point he

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punched him in the face and he said, this is

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how we say goodbye and joy.

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Speaker 2: And there was no Austrian girl.

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Speaker 1: There was no Austrian girl to make out with him. Unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: Well you tell I bought that hook client all the

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Speaker 3: And of course, yeah, Fritz Lang's response was, I like

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the Austrian papa.

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Speaker 2: Me too. Yeah, okay. So Im came out in nineteen

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thirty one in Germany. It was directed by and written

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by Fritz Lang. Writing with him was his then wife

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at the time, Theo von Harbon. She later started having

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marital affairs with not him and then joined the Nazi Party,

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and that was enough for him to get a divorced

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and so yeah, Nazi, I mean Nazis infidelity is one thing.

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Nazi the big, whole, other, whole other thing.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate this guy.

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Speaker 3: As long as those guys are the worst.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So the original title for this movie was Murderer

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among Us, and again this got them in trouble with

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the Nazis because they thought he was making a movie

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about Hitler. Hey, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, m is the shortest movie title of all time,

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but it ties with two other movies. Anybody know the

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answer to the question, what is the name of the

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other movies?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go with Pie.

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Speaker 1: That would be in critics, sir, Nope, all right, d

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what you got Okay?

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Speaker 2: There is a movie called z Yep, and there's a

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movie called R you got It? But this is definitely

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the most famous one letter titled movie.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pie is a movie PI. That's just the symbol pie,

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so that would be there too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's infinity long. That's like the opposite of short.

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Speaker 3: I guess that's true.

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Speaker 5: I guess.

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Speaker 3: Understanding there would be no math during the time.

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Speaker 2: So in researching the movie, he spent eight days going

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to a mental institution for research. Mental Institution for the

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Criminally Insane, and there he met and an inmate named

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Peter Curtin. Who do you know who Peter Curtin is?

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Speaker 6: Jane Curtin's grandfather.

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Speaker 2: Love it nicely done?

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Speaker 3: Amy Lee Curtis's great uncle.

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Speaker 2: No so. Peter Curtin was known at the time as

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the Vampire of Dussel Dwarf. He had literally just been

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arrested within the year before Fritz lang Is going in

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there and talking to people. A lot of people claim

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that this movie is supposed to be based on him.

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We're going to talk later about ed Geen and how

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many of these movies and other movies have been based

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on what ed Gen did. Peter Curtin makes ed Geen

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look like mister Rogers like he has seriously some sick

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and twisted stuff that I won't go into. But now

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as a good a time as any if you're listening

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with your teenage kids. We're normally family friendly, but these

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movies are really really unpleasant subject matter and based on

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real stories that have even more unpleasant subject matter. May

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get a little graphic. We may want to do PG.

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Thirteen extra yeah right, yeah, four yes.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to say real quick I made the mistake

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of going to the curtain Wikipedia page. Uh huh, and

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now I'm feeling like in Ghostbusters, I looked at the

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trap ray.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So without going into a great deal of detail,

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because I don't like this nasty stuff. Peter Curtin was

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mistreated as a youth by his parents severely. That later

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led on led him to murder other women and ultimately children,

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and at some point was excited by the blood and

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so drank some of the blood, which is how he

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got the name Vampire of Dussel Dwarf when they were Ultimately,

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when he was caught, it was because he had taken

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a potential victim to his house. She had convinced him

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to let them let her go, and he thought she

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would never find his house. Well she could find it.

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He sees her hanging out outside of his house. He

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knows he's done for He's murdered tons of people. So

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he goes to his wife and says, you need to

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tell them that you knew nothing, which she didn't, and

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you need to turn me in for the reward, which

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she did. So she got the reward for turning him in,

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even though he was really turning in himself. Obviously, he

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was in the mental institution for a time, but ultimately

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was convicted a trial. And back then they were still

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using the guillotine, and so as he's being walked to

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his death, he asked the executioner, after my head is

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cut off, will my ears still be able to hear

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the blood spurting out of my neck? Because that would

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be the ultimate ecstasy. That's how bad this guy is.

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So him is not so bad? Yeah? Reallyim you don't

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see any murders. You just get to imagine them as

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they occur. Jason, what do you got? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Was this the first watch for you guys, for him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me to get here, yes, all the way through? Yes,

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I had seen some clips before, but all the way through.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like I'm gonna blow your mind with

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this thing. If you guys are where I think you are, okay. So,

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Peter Lourie is the guy who plays the murderer, right,

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He's the bad guy. He was known mainly for his

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comedic roles, but he was in a lot of Bugs

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Bunny cartoons. Do you guys know you recognize him from

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Bugs Bunny cartoons? He played like the mad Scientists when

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they were chasing around Gossamer, the big orange monster monsters.

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There are such interesting people. Well that's dad just a minute.

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Speaker 5: I have another little friend.

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Speaker 1: Like me, But he's one of those guys that ran

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around with Humphrey Bogart and I remember one in one particular,

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Bugs Bunny.

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Speaker 2: He said, he makes me laugh.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's also I mainly knew him, and I think

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that's how I came across some clips on time looking

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and I think it was like maybe to see if

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you're still alive. I don't know whatever, but back in

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the day, I remember seeing you bet, but he was

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huge in all the Vincent Price I down on Poe movies.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, those Edgar Allen Poe movies were all done

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by Roger Corman. Uh, you know, the movie guy.

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Speaker 1: And so Roger Corman has a has a role in

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Silence in the Lambs.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he does. Yeah, Yeah, there's gonna be a

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lot of there's gonna be a Lodger. Roger Corman mentions,

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I got one. I'm ready to Are you ready to

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have your mind blown on this one? Jason? All right,

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let's go. Okay. He played the very first Bond villain

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La Chief in Casino Royale, the one that came out

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that was made for TV that had the American actor

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in it. He was the original, the chief, the original

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who Peter Lourie.

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Speaker 1: What ah, that's good desires bleed Blood.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure he was good at poker though.

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Speaker 1: No, it's baccarat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, sorry.

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Speaker 1: We came across this movie through it an Ozzy Osbourne

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album that we went through called No More Tears. We

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did this about a year ago or so. Mister Tinkertrain

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was the was the song, and the video pulled clips

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from this movie, and that's how we came across, right.

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Speaker 2: So in the movie he used real criminals right throw

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back to beat it. And not only were they real criminals,

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they were real wanted criminals. There were literally twenty four

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of them arrested during the film running of the movie.

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Speaker 1: Just round them all up at once, say got them

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all here, We're done filming.

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Speaker 2: You can come get them.

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Speaker 6: Now, round up the usual suspects.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Fritz Lang was convinced to make this film after reading

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the last scene of the script, when a mother ominously

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warns you have to watch your children.

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Speaker 2: You know, I talked about Peter Curtin. He denied that

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it was just about Peter Curtin. He said, there were

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lots of bad guys. Then I'll throw some names out.

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If you're one of those folks who were into the

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true crime serial killer stuff back then in Germany, you

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had Fritz Harriman, who had twenty four victims, was known

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as the Butcher of Hanover. You had Carl Grobman, who

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was a cannibal ended up committing suicide before they could

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convict him at trial. And you had Carl Dinky who

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was known as the cannibal of Zeebeis. He had killed

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and done other bad things to dozens.

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Speaker 3: You're also forgetting the Hamburglar of Hamburg.

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Speaker 1: Very very wanted criminal for a long time in the

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seventies for sure.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about how Fritz Lang had done silent

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movies that had done m He had had a lot

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of success with silent movies. This was his very first

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sound movie, and he had been against sound, like when

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they started doing it, he was like, I'm not doing

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a sound movie. This is I don't like this. And

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then when he did it, he did everything with sound

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that everybody then did after him. He did narration, which

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had never been been done before. He had a soundtrack.

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He had a leap motif, which is where there's music

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connected to a particular character with that whistle of in

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the hall of the Mountain King. And then he had

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like off camera sounds that let you know what was

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going on in the areas that you couldn't see on

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the screen. And then he would use silence just before

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the big scares when there would be a loud boom. Nice,

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there's supposed to be an earth shattering kooboo? Where is

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there a shuddering kaboo? So it turns out Peter Lourie

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couldn't whistle though, so when you hear the whistle, when

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you hear the I can't whistle that. I'm dry man.

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It's hard to talk this long. That is actually that's

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Fritz Lang. That's Fritz Lang whistling.

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Speaker 3: It's really easy. You just put your lips together and blow.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So November sixteenth, nineteen fifty seven, Frank Warden comes

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home after hunting all morning, goes to his other's hardware store,

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walks in and she's not there. He doesn't know why

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she's not there, and then he sees that the cash

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register is open, and then they sees a bloodstain on

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the floor. There's gone, and it appears that a body

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has been drug out of the heart out of her

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hardware store. And the only other thing that he sees

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is a receipt for a gallon of anti freeze. And

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he knows there was a local there yesterday who had

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told his mother, Bernice Warden, that he was going to

474
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come back that day and get a gallon of anti freeze.

475
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And so they immediately went to go talk to that guy.

476
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,240
His name was ed Gean. Ed Gean, they arrested him,

477
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:42,240
or at least took him in for questioning, and they

478
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,119
went to the house to see if they could discover

479
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,400
any clues that would lead them to the discovery of

480
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,960
what happened to poor Bernice Warden. When they went into

481
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,079
the barn, they got the shock of their lives. They

482
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,920
saw what they thought was a deer hanging from the rafters.

483
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,559
As it turned out, it was the decapitated body of

484
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,880
Miss Warden, who had been gutted by mister Dean. And

485
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,119
that was just the beginning. When they got into the house,

486
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:19,079
they found skin, lampshades, nipple belts, miss Warden's severed head

487
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,119
next to the stove, the mask of a young woman

488
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,319
who had gone missing a couple of years before named

489
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,799
Mary Hogan, and a suit made of human skin. Sound familiar, Yes,

490
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:33,839
it's yes. All that is.

491
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,799
Speaker 1: Uh we're going to talk about here in just a

492
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:37,960
few minutes in silence of the lambs.

493
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I got it. It sounds gruesome, but it's

494
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,079
really I got big shoulders. It's hard to find clothing

495
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,559
that fits, so sometimes you just got to make it yourself,

496
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,200
right right, Well, you.

497
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,039
Speaker 1: Had listen, I did some reading on this. Yeah, unlike

498
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:56,920
Buffalo Bill, he had like straps on the side that

499
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,160
he could, you know, scent it up because you know,

500
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,680
you know, you wanted to extra snug hourglass.

501
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way I want you want to look

502
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,480
on in your skin. As it turns out, ed Geen

503
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,720
had been kind of mentally abused by his mother, but

504
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:13,680
was what we would describe as codependent upon her. I

505
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,039
guess maybe that's a slight understatement. Anyway, when she passed away,

506
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,279
he decided the way to bring her back was to

507
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,039
make a woman costume, which he would down in the

508
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:26,720
full moon and walk out in the middle of the

509
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,319
night and dance around in his.

510
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,319
Speaker 1: Yard by his best friend is his mama.

511
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So there was a guy or a

512
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,240
writer named Robert Block who just happened to live forty

513
00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,880
miles away from ed Geen, and so he decided to

514
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,480
drive out there and do a little research. And what

515
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:47,720
resulted was a book called Psycho. Anybody read the book?

516
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Not nope, nope, I have it all right. Somebody who

517
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,880
did read about the book was a guy who had

518
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,599
been described as the Fritz Lang of England, a guy

519
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,440
named Alfred Hitchcock who had become back the Steven Spielberg

520
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,960
of the nineteen fifties and was at the top of

521
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:09,039
his game. And he hears about Psycho and asks his company,

522
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,599
his studio company, to buy the rights to it. They

523
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,920
don't do it, they're not interested, and so he gets

524
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,200
them himself, pays nine five hundred dollars to Robert Block

525
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,559
for the rights to Psycho, what would go on to

526
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:25,880
become his most famous movie. Okay, so when he wanted

527
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,759
the screenplay written, he went to talk to a guy

528
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,519
named James Kavanaugh, who was a writer for Alfred Hitchcock

529
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,039
Presents his TV show that was going on at the time.

530
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,759
That guy brought back a story that bored him to tears,

531
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960
which I don't know how you make a story about

532
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:43,160
a psycho killer who dresses like his mother boring, but

533
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,359
somehow this guy managed to do it. So they tapped

534
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,039
a guy named Joseph Stefano, who had only written one

535
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,960
movie before this, called The Black Orchid, and said we

536
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,680
want you to talk to mister Hitchcock. Hitchcock wasn't initially

537
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000
interested until Stefano told him that he was in psychoanalysis,

538
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
and at that point it became interesting. He's like, I

539
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,200
think I can I can do some psychoanalysis stuff with

540
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,440
this character and the fact that he has his mother's

541
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,079
attachment thing going on. And he wrote the perfect script

542
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,359
and as it turns out, his first draft, Joseph Stefano's

543
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,240
first draft was the draft they used to shoot the movie.

544
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,839
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that they use their TV crew.

545
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,480
I mean this was made at a I mean the

546
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,599
budget was eight hundred five I have less than a

547
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,519
million dollars, and they used their TV crew. They used

548
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,240
all the guys that they shot the Alfred Hitchcock Present show.

549
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,480
Did you guys ever watch that show?

550
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Used to watch that show all the time, and

551
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,039
my parents actually used to kind of joke about it

552
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,559
because when I was a baby, I was they used

553
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,839
to call me Alfred Hitchcock because I like looked like

554
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,720
a baby, all right, looked like a baby. I looked

555
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:45,920
like Alfred Hitchcock when I was a baby. So sometimes

556
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,279
they my dad would like, do that dough doom, do

557
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,000
do do do do doom, and he would turn me

558
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:52,000
sideways and try to take pictures of me that way.

559
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,720
So basically what I'm saying was it was a fat baby.

560
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,759
Speaker 2: That's a funny guy. So yeah. The studio that Hitchcock

561
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,279
was working for at the time was called Paramount. Heard

562
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,480
of them right, yep, the Mountain, the beginning of Raiders

563
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,960
Law start right, okase. But Paramount was like, this is repulsive.

564
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:11,359
There's no way that we're going to allow you to

565
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,279
make this movie. We're not. He's like, I'll tell you what.

566
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,680
I will shoot it for less than a million dollars.

567
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,440
You do not have to pay me the two hundred

568
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,480
and fifty thousand dollars that you normally pay me as

569
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:22,519
a director fee. I'll just take a sixty percent stake

570
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,440
in the movie. Good business decision for.

571
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Him, it was it was wow, all right?

572
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:31,519
Speaker 2: The serial killer list continues, and do you guys remember

573
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:33,640
the eighties. Do you remember all of the serial killers

574
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,160
that were doing stuff in the eighties. It was it

575
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,279
was crazy, like they were all over the place. Okay,

576
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,000
So you had Ted Bundy, who I realized he did

577
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,640
it most of his killing in the seventies, but he

578
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,079
was obviously went through the whole trial all of that

579
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,640
stuff in the eighties. So you get Ted Bundy, You've

580
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,279
got Gary Heidnik, You've got ed Kemper, You've got Gary Ridgeway,

581
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:57,039
You've got Alfred Trevino. Trevino and ed Gean of course

582
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,200
was not in the eighties, but he is on that list.

583
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:05,759
These are all guys that Thomas Harris used as inspiration

584
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,920
for Jamie Buffalo, Bill Gum in his book Silence of

585
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,359
the Lambs.

586
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Yep, Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer. They were John Douglas,

587
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,920
the character that Jack Crawford is based on. They were

588
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,119
pursuing him at the moment when they were filming and

589
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,960
working on all that.

590
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, so ed Geen, obviously we've got the skin suit,

591
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,880
right Sewing's that's that relation with Ted Bundy that you

592
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,279
remember the armbrace that he's got at the beginning when

593
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,319
he's loading the couch. That was a trick that Ted

594
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,319
Bundy would use. He'd use crutches or an armbrace to

595
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,920
look helpless and use that to lure his victims. In

596
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,599
Gary Heidnik is the guy who this is interesting. I

597
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,720
had to read on this guy a little bit. He

598
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:52,440
developed his own like religion, and within a few years

599
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,279
this religious sect that he had formed had half a

600
00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,519
million dollars. Like he had invested with Edward Jones, and

601
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,400
like was a wise and savvy investor who then later

602
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
on gets a bunch of prostitutes and keeps him in

603
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,519
a pit down in his basement. That's the that's the

604
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,559
way it relates to Silence of the Lambs. But he

605
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,119
tried to plead insanity like the rest of these guys.

606
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:17,400
But the Edward Jones guy or is whoever is financial

607
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,160
advisor was like, nope, he absolutely knew right from wrong.

608
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,279
He was a savvy investor. There's no question this guy

609
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,960
is not insane. And that's how he was one of

610
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,680
the only three people who've been executed in Pennsylvania since

611
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,559
their reinstitute of that.

612
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,559
Speaker 1: All right, so what about nineteen eighty six is Manhunter

613
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:35,519
are you guys familiar with that one? Seen that one?

614
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,640
Thoughts on that one?

615
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 7: Yes, I've seen Man Hunter. Everybody else I've not seen it.

616
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 6: I know it exists, I've never seen it.

617
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: No, so that was a flop.

618
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Brian Cox actually plays Hannibal Elector.

619
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: I want you to help me, doctor Lector. I thought

620
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,519
it's about Atlanta, Birmingham. Yeah, you want to know how

621
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,000
he's choosing them, don't you, Uncle Largo?

622
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daphne's dad on Frasier to.

623
00:31:57,559 --> 00:31:59,599
Speaker 2: Me, but yeah, Or you know, the main bad guy

624
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,240
in the Identity movies. Yeah, what'd you think of him? Dennis?

625
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?

626
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 8: It's from a long time ago, and I mean it

627
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:08,799
wasn't as good. I think I was expecting more because

628
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,599
I think I saw Silence first and then obviously than

629
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,519
that one, and I think it was a bit of

630
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,400
a letdown. Wasn't as good, minderwhelming, I guess, is what

631
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,000
I would think it. You know, So I remember seeing

632
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:20,640
it some good spots and good parts, but then overall

633
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:22,519
like it had a kind of from I remember, a

634
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,240
pretty creepy vibe at that time. I was about, like

635
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,400
I'm trying to think when I saw that late teens,

636
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,720
maybe so yeah. So it wasn't like, it's not anything

637
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,079
that impressed me though overall. But I think it had

638
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,160
a decent creepy vibe to it at some At some points.

639
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: I saw it in the late nineties, and I would

640
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,359
I liked Silence of the Lambs, Okay, so I was like, oh,

641
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,440
this is the prequel to that. And Michael Man is

642
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
the same guy who gave us Miami Vice. And as

643
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,519
as soon as it started going, I was like, Oh,

644
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,920
this is like Silence of the Lambs Miami Vice style.

645
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,319
That's exactly what it looked like.

646
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Crockett and Tubs come in, they get lecture.

647
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 8: I think Dennis Farno was in there too, the guy

648
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:07,279
from Like the Deep was that Get Shorty? What was

649
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:08,640
the TV show where he was in there?

650
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 7: Dun New York. He wasn't a cop, sure, Dennis Frina,

651
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,200
he's a Chygo actor.

652
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,039
Speaker 3: He was on orders for a bit.

653
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: So this is interesting to me. So Manhunter Michael Mann

654
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,200
tries his hand at the Hannibal Electric character. It flops

655
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,880
at the movie theater. Dino de la Renis was actually

656
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,319
the producer of it. Of course, Dino de lancis famous

657
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,680
for all kinds of awesomely bad movies from the eighties.

658
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,319
Flash Gordon am Conan the Barbarian, and so he had

659
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,079
the Hannibal Elector character rights, and when O'Ryan went to him,

660
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,039
he's like, I can't do any with this character. Here

661
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,799
you go, gave it over for free.

662
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,839
Speaker 3: Little known fact they were actually planning to do a

663
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,759
musical of Hannibal Lecter and that was one of the songs.

664
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:51,279
They were gonna take it from Flash Gordon, but it

665
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:56,759
was gonna be flesh.

666
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:00,759
Speaker 2: Back to our Roger Corman reference, Jonathan Demi was a

667
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,960
guy who had gotten his start with Roger Corman. I

668
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,920
took a look at him. His first movie was a

669
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,440
girl prison movie called Caged Heat. I made the Sacrifice

670
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,960
and watched that I did indeed well, lots and lots

671
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,679
of boobies, lots and lots of boobies. Beyond that, not

672
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,800
a really great movie. But what he went on, he improved,

673
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,679
he got better. He ended up making a movie called

674
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,039
Melvin and Howard, which Mary Steambergon won Best Supporting Actress

675
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,519
for her performance in. And then he did a movie

676
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,480
that we've talked about. This movie is called Something Wild.

677
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,679
Do you remember where we talked about this Jiff.

678
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,639
Speaker 1: Daniels Dumb and Dummer.

679
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,039
Speaker 2: There you go. So he did Something Wild, which is

680
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,239
the movie that they talk about in Dumb and Dumber.

681
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,280
Then he did Married to the Mob, and then he

682
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,400
got tapped to do this movie. Well, the book had

683
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,239
been out and Jodi Foster was like, I want to

684
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,880
play this part. She petitioned to play this part, but

685
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,000
when she found out that Jonathan Demi was going to

686
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,400
be directing it, she was like, well, he's definitely going

687
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,599
to be given it to Michelle Pfeiffer. I don't even

688
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,440
need to bother, but I'm just gonna go and meet

689
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,400
him and let him know I'm interested as a plan B.

690
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,639
And that worked because Michelle Pfeiffer said, no, no, I

691
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,559
don't want to do that. Seems gross. Seems gross, and

692
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:18,119
so she got to play the young officer starling.

693
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,599
Speaker 3: Thing about Something Wild, also starring Ray Liotta.

694
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

695
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you see the sequel to Silence of Lamb's Hannibal,

696
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,920
doesn't he get his brain eating in that movie?

697
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,519
Speaker 1: Eat his brains?

698
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,639
Speaker 6: That's right, yes, while he's alive.

699
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,119
Speaker 3: Still.

700
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit at a time, and as

701
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,519
long as we're making connections. There was a movie that

702
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,400
came out called Hitchcock, which starred Anthony Hopkins. Anthony Hopkins

703
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,440
as Alfred Hitchcock while he was directing the movie Psycho.

704
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: Other names associated with Cleary Starling where Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman,

705
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,639
and Hallie Barry. You guys probably didn't have a lot

706
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,039
of time. But what do you think in recasting wise?

707
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,679
Is Jody Foster the perfect one? Do you have anybody

708
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:58,400
else that'd.

709
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,559
Speaker 2: Be Let's start with Jody FOSX sir? Who would you

710
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,880
guys cast instead of Jodie Foster back then? Or no,

711
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:05,679
we don't care, do now let's say they're rebanking it. Now,

712
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:06,599
who are you going to cast now?

713
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,519
Speaker 7: Scarlettohansen?

714
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 8: Oh, maybe Sigourney Weaver back then?

715
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 7: I would have been interested.

716
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good one. Pat, you got any thoughts

717
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,159
on that?

718
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:21,679
Speaker 5: Well?

719
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 4: See, and I'm looking at Jodi Foster's age back then,

720
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:26,519
he doesn't count either.

721
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, I figured, I figured.

722
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 4: I struggled with this question, and you know, it's it's

723
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,840
really interesting, you know, I'm I'm kind of lost and

724
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,639
thought with everything you guys are mentioning, like, oh, that

725
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,039
would be interesting seeing that person play this role. M

726
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,800
that would be I don't know if I have anything

727
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,360
to offer to the conversation with that. Yeah, And sometimes

728
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,320
it's hard. When I go back and watch movies when

729
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,639
I was younger, I tend to see those actors and

730
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,280
actresses like I did when I was that age. So

731
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,480
when I rewatched this movie, Jody Foster seems like someone

732
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,119
older than myself, even though when I'm looking at the

733
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:59,360
age that she was, and she would a few years

734
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,679
younger than what I am right now.

735
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: If it helps it all. She was born in sixty two,

736
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,400
so she'd be nine whenever the movie came out.

737
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

738
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I said, I was obviously well younger

739
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,960
than that when the movie came out, and I'm slightly

740
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,800
older than that now.

741
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,159
Speaker 9: Yeah.

742
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep just saying I don't have anything, guys.

743
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,719
But it's interesting because Jodi Foster really just seemed to

744
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,920
bring something like just a very unique touch to this

745
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,280
and so it's kind of hard to imagine who else,

746
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,559
either now or back then, that would fill that role.

747
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,159
Halle Berry. That struck me as pretty interesting because John,

748
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,400
didn't we just do a movie where halle Berry was

749
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,119
like her first role? Yeah, yeah, she was Sam Sam

750
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,119
Jackson's girlfriend.

751
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: In Jungle fever, jungle fever.

752
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,599
Speaker 4: Jungle fever. Yes, and so like that, really I'm kind

753
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:48,000
of stuck on that name, because wow, that's a really

754
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,920
interesting question recasting this role as Jodi Foster, because she

755
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,159
really just seemed to nail this character. She was the

756
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,679
real deal. I mean, she was not quite in over

757
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,159
her head. She was equal to most all of the

758
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,840
challenges present to her in the movie. But then she

759
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,000
was also very vulnerable to Hannibal Lecter. And I want

760
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,920
to say that in I don't want to jump the

761
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,480
gun with trivia here, but I want to say that

762
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,880
there was something that Anthony Hopkins did in a scene.

763
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,679
I think it was going after her accent or something

764
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,119
that Jodie Foster wasn't ready for, and that like set

765
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,320
her back a peg when you know, all of a sudden,

766
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,960
Anthony Hopkins was coming after the same way that Hannibally. Yeah,

767
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:25,639
so I was just going to say it would have

768
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,639
to be someone that was like both strong but also vulnerable.

769
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,159
And I've got two names that I yeah, take mind, Jeff.

770
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 6: That kind of jumped out at me. One was Gina Davis.

771
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,199
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one.

772
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 6: And the other was Demi Moore. Like maybe not so

773
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,199
much the physicality of like you know, running through the uh,

774
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:50,719
doing the course work, but just some some of the

775
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,400
psychological stuff and portraying that aspect of character. Both of

776
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,400
those could have brought a very interesting take to that character,

777
00:38:58,559 --> 00:38:59,320
Johnny get anything.

778
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: The one I had in mind, I had one kind

779
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,199
of playing around in my head. But it's because back

780
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,159
in the late eighties early nineties, I just wanted to

781
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,639
see every movie she was in. So one of my

782
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:14,360
first thoughts was a Winona writer and well that yes, everyone,

783
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,400
all right, I'm just gonna excuse myself for a minute.

784
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,840
I'm gonna go watch Labyrinth. I'll be back in a

785
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,159
little bit. But theother one I was thinking about because

786
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,679
I pat to your point too. With the character of

787
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,519
I always have to say it, Glaris. With the character

788
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:32,280
of Claris, it's got to be somebody who is almost

789
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,719
almost seems like physically physically unassuming or physically weak is

790
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,079
not the right word, but but someone who you're gonna

791
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,159
underestimate her a little bit. You know, you might look

792
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:43,800
at her and be like, all right, well there's not

793
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,400
much there to her, and she's you know, she's she's

794
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,760
probably a very quiet person. But she's got a strength

795
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,800
to her that she will just walk right into this

796
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,639
mental institution and walk right up to one of the

797
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,239
worst killers in the United States and start having a

798
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,599
conversation with him. So somebody that I thought could potentially

799
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,519
do something like that, Uma Thurman, I thought might not

800
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,440
be a bad choice for something like that. Yeah, but

801
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,000
I mean you've got I mean even her name, like,

802
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,639
she's her last name is a bird. It's your so

803
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,400
you're like and he kind of plays off of that

804
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,199
a little bit when he refers to her as Starling,

805
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:18,119
you know, fly away, And it's got to be something

806
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,599
that there's the when you first look at her, there's

807
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,559
the innocence, there's the almost the unassuming nature. But then

808
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,239
it's got to be somebody that could walk right up

809
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,679
and just start having a conversation with Hannibal the Cannibal.

810
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: So when Jonathan Demi was casting the FBI extras whenever

811
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,119
She's going through the FBI Academy at the very beginning

812
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,440
of the movie, he deliberately cast guys who were tall.

813
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,639
He was trying to find guys that were over six

814
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,280
foot tall. And I don't really think of Jodie Foster

815
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,159
as this teeny tiny lady. But that's just because she's

816
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,039
been up with actors who are not particularly tall. But

817
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,880
there's that scene where she gets on the elevator and

818
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,599
like it's a bunch of guys and her, and she

819
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,400
looks like ahead and a half shorter than everybody else.

820
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,519
I think that's right. It's like you're setting the stage

821
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,360
to say, here's this little girl. And then she goes

822
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,480
and is tough with him and is and holds her

823
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,360
own like she's been trying to hold her own her

824
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,239
whole life. So my answer to the question sit born

825
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,199
the same year Jennifer Jason Lake. Nice.

826
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: My one of my favorite things about that scene in

827
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,079
the elevator is when is when she goes all right,

828
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:28,039
before we get started, does anybody want to get off?

829
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I thought you were gonna say

830
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,639
she pushed all the buttons and said, ooh like a

831
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,119
Christmas tree.

832
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 6: What about Robin Wright.

833
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: The same birth year? I looked at her same deal.

834
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:43,599
You know, she's beautiful, talented, smart, can hold her own.

835
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,119
Speaker 3: I like it.

836
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: The one I came up with Jamie Lee Curtis. I

837
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,440
didn't even think about her connection to Psycho, but she's beautiful,

838
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
but she could be tough, you know, so, and she

839
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,960
kind of fits that age range. She's even old now, but.

840
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like she's been my first My first

841
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,920
thought was Holly Hunter, but she's a little older. She's

842
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,800
a little older, but I thought she'd have the good

843
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Southern accent and the right height.

844
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,199
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Hannibal Lecter for a minute. You

845
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,960
guys ready, we ready to yeah, get everybody in that one,

846
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:14,639
all right. Hannibal Lecter. He's ranked as the number one

847
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,920
villain of all time by AFI over Darth Vader.

848
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,199
Speaker 2: Wow, number one. I don't know i'd agree with that.

849
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:22,320
He's awesome.

850
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the character itself is awesome.

851
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 4: Kind of hard to root against him at some points

852
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,559
in the movie. I mean I was kind of like,

853
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,760
sort of like rooting for the monster in a monster

854
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,559
movie or the Sharks and Deep bluec It was like, dude,

855
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,719
this guy's going to get out. That's pretty cool.

856
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: So Anthony Hopkins was cast, of course one an Oscar

857
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,440
did a fantastic job. But I'm just gonna throw these

858
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,079
other names at you to see what you think about.

859
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:47,199
These are the guys that were considered for Hannibal lecter, okay,

860
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:49,519
Robert Duvall.

861
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,559
Speaker 2: Getting the headshake from John, getting a nod from Pat,

862
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:54,559
blank stare from Dennis and Jeff.

863
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's I don't think he's menacing in

864
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,760
any way. He's too nice. It seems sweet, all right.

865
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: John Hurt John Hursts, the guy from Alien right that

866
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,239
has the thing come out of his chest.

867
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I've got some these names blew my mind. Okay,

868
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,320
So Robert Duvall, Jeremy Irons I think would have been good.

869
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 6: That's who I was speaking. Jeremy Irons popped into my mind.

870
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: He's scary, right, I mean he's menacing. Jack Nicholson, Dustin.

871
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: Hoffman, ooh that one. No, how about Patrick Stewart.

872
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,679
Speaker 6: That'd be interesting, that'd be kind of cool.

873
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,079
Speaker 7: Dustin Hoffman. I can't see that though.

874
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman's about five foot one.

875
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:39,119
Speaker 7: So scary is thing he's ever done?

876
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 3: Man, there's definitely thirteen bodies buried in the back.

877
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: So here you go.

878
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: Lewis Gossip Junior, John lithgow In, the one that bloomy away, Christopher.

879
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: Lloyd Artie body is very heavy, help me drag it.

880
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 4: It's interesting because, like I could see Christopher Lloyd, and

881
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,239
I could see Patrick Stewart right. And it's funny because,

882
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,760
like I know, Christopher Lloyd obviously is Doc Brown, like

883
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
he is Doc Brown, but he was also Commander Krueg

884
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,599
and search for Spock. So I've seen him as a villain,

885
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,599
so I think, hell, Judge, oh yeah, Jeff, that's yeah,

886
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,320
hell yeah, he would he would seem to be. I

887
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,400
don't I don't know if unhinged is the right word.

888
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,559
The Anthony Hopkins portrayal of him is, I don't want

889
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,079
to say more cultured, but I'm just going to say

890
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,719
more cultured, whereas I think Christopher Lloyd, at least based

891
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,440
on the other characters that he's played, would be a

892
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,239
little bit more psycho guy, right, Patrick Stewart, you know,

893
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,519
obviously John Luke Picard and then also in Dune he

894
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:41,440
played I always forget the guy's name, not Hallick, was

895
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,400
it Gurnie Hallick or whatever he was? He was the

896
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,280
in dou and he was the Prince's like right hand man.

897
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,880
But seeing him as a bad guy, he's I know,

898
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920
he's been a bad guy in at least one film,

899
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,280
but I could see Patrick Stewart just you know, pulling

900
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,480
on all his capital a acting chops and really like

901
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,280
that would be cool, but I mean, Anthony Hopkins is

902
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,519
so good.

903
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,119
Speaker 6: Don Lis.

904
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a little surprised that they didn't throw this

905
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,239
out the Willem Dafoe's Ah, that's a good one, because

906
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,559
I feel like, I mean, you look at you look

907
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:18,719
at some pictures. I feel like you look at some

908
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,079
pictures of Hannibal Lecter and like one of the things

909
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,559
that one of the things that really gets me when

910
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,840
I look at pictures of him is he looked like

911
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,679
Anthony Hopkins looks like a reptile. And I know that

912
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,960
that was one of the things that he specifically brought

913
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,320
to that character, was you know he I think he

914
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,239
based it off of a friend of his who had

915
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,880
this habit of not blinking. And then he also was like, well,

916
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,400
reptiles don't blink, So I link in my scenes unless

917
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960
it's at a dramatic time, I'm gonna be very intentional

918
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,800
about when I blink. And so he's just got even

919
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,679
if you look at still photos of him as Hanniballector,

920
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,880
he looks like a reptile. And then when he's got

921
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,280
the mask on in those other scenes, you just you

922
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,159
see his eyes and they're just his eyes are just massive.

923
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:00,480
And I look at a picture of Willim Foe and

924
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,840
I'm like, Okay, he could pull off the reptile look.

925
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,480
He could pull off the I'm just a normal person.

926
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,880
I'm very educated. I'm a well rounded human being. But

927
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,920
if you let me out of this cage, I probably

928
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,360
will eat your face. Yeah, I could believe that.

929
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,639
Speaker 8: I'm jumping ahead, but it was like will and Dafoe

930
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,199
is one of the ones that I had also to

931
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,840
play Buffalo Bill, and I can't see how he could

932
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,960
play either one of those roles. He could probably do both,

933
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:23,760
like I mean that obviously at the same time, but

934
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:25,400
he could do one.

935
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,639
Speaker 7: I think he qualify for both of those roles.

936
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 8: So Willam Davoe's got that, like you said that, that

937
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,639
range of if he gets really serious and kind of creepy.

938
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,000
Now back the ligo I think we were searching for

939
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,480
when he If anybody's seen obviously Dexter, he played a

940
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,519
full season on Dexter and was a really good serial

941
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,239
killer in there.

942
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so my pick for Hannibal Lekker would probably be

943
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,079
Jack Nicholson among them, but he was considered the one

944
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,360
that you haven't mentioned that I thought would be a

945
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,079
good one would be Jeff Colbland.

946
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:56,119
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right.

947
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,199
Speaker 2: You can do the more. Yeah, he can do smart.

948
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,159
He can do smart and poised. Even though he is

949
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,280
that affectation that he does, he can pull it back

950
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,400
and do something like The Fly where he's smart and

951
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,960
poised and awesome.

952
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: He can talk about chaos theory.

953
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: Hello, Clarice I had There were a couple other ones

954
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,800
that I had from back then. One of the other

955
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,760
ones I thought of was John Malkovich.

956
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 1: Ye oh, yeah, there you go.

957
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,079
Speaker 3: When I did some of the names for today, like

958
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,679
if we were going to cast the movie for today,

959
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,559
the one that I wrote down for Hannibal Lecter was

960
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:30,519
Jackie Earl Haley.

961
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nailed it.

962
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be you gotta look a little off.

963
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,760
Jonathan Demi offered the part to Sean Connery. That was

964
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,760
his first choice.

965
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 7: Clarice Walking, I think it had been there pretty well.

966
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, a census man tried to test me with some

967
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,320
fava beans and a nice kianti.

968
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 7: And then the other one for today I would have

969
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,000
been Christoph Waltz.

970
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,559
Speaker 6: Oh that that'd be awesome.

971
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:01,119
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Nice. Okay, So Buffalo Bill? You got

972
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,440
alternatives for Buffalo Bill? I don't have any alternatives for

973
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,440
Buffalo Bill. I know Ted Levine got the part. He's

974
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,360
actually from Belvidere, Ohio.

975
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: The house that James Gum gets captured in at the

976
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,880
end of the movie was right next door to the

977
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,760
house where his high school girlfriend lived.

978
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: Literally, Wow, I've been here. I've been here before.

979
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,159
Speaker 1: I got the second base right there.

980
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: Mystery of the broad class solved. That's right.

981
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,199
Speaker 1: I don't have anything on who possibly was replacing him,

982
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,039
But what do you guys got for alternates for Buffalo Bill?

983
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 8: Michael Emerson was one guy from lost Okay, and then

984
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:43,960
and this is weird that you wouldn't think of this one,

985
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,440
but I don't know why, but Dak Shephard for some

986
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:47,320
reason bopped out.

987
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:47,599
Speaker 7: I don't know.

988
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: Wow, it would have been a little funnier.

989
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd like to see him in a serious role.

990
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,320
It would have been interesting to see if you pull

991
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:54,599
that up.

992
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't think I could see him do the tucking

993
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,440
scene without laughing. You gotta be able to pull off

994
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,480
the tux scene.

995
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 7: Also, Jake Bucy, I would say.

996
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:05,599
Speaker 1: There you go.

997
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,639
Speaker 2: That's that's a good one. Nailed that one. Yeah, that's

998
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,320
a good one of the time. At the time, Steve Bushimi.

999
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,519
Speaker 4: I did the jokers from the more recent Batman movies.

1000
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:20,320
Either it was a Joaquin Phoenix right or or.

1001
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: Jered Ya would be too pretty?

1002
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 6: Who was yeah?

1003
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,039
Speaker 4: Who was the who is the one in the chrystal.

1004
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,119
I can't think of his name. Heath Ledger, I think,

1005
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:33,599
you know, Heath Ledger or Joaquin Phoenix. Sorry, I think

1006
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,119
would make a real interesting you know, being able to

1007
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,320
play that character.

1008
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:40,559
Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix would do the tucking scene.

1009
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:47,159
Speaker 8: On my long list were Crispin Christmas Glover and Andy Serkis.

1010
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go both. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

1011
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: I had for names from today. Joaquin Phoenix was on

1012
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,239
mine because I'm picturing like the whole tucking and dance

1013
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,440
scene and like dancing down the staircase and yeah, that

1014
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,800
whole thing. And then the other one I thought of

1015
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,280
that could be, like somebody from today that could be

1016
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,760
kind of interesting was Tom Hillston kind of like that

1017
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,079
when I picture Buffalo Bill like, I picture kind of

1018
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,840
like a like a tall, kind of lanky guy. I

1019
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,440
don't know just when when he plays Loki, I picture

1020
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,320
him as being kind of a tall, lanky guy, and

1021
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,280
I think he's got enough acting chops that he could

1022
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,440
pull off. He could pull off the socially awkward, weird,

1023
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:23,840
you know, whatever he needs to do to be a

1024
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:24,440
buffalo bill.

1025
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, English smart.

1026
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 6: You know, I've had a couple of names that kind

1027
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,079
of popped popped in my head. So this would be

1028
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:39,760
back in early nineties, that there's something about these actors

1029
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,440
that could portray the really off the wall in an

1030
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,320
uncomfortable sort of way type of character.

1031
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: Right, So like.

1032
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,119
Speaker 6: Nick Cage, maybe Edward Norton because when you think of that,

1033
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,679
the movie he was in with Richard gear Ye from

1034
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,760
Primal Fear. Yeah, like that's sort of character.

1035
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, Edward Norton was the main character in Red Dragon,

1036
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,679
the prequel movie, Go yeah.

1037
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: And then Detective Will Graham Yeah.

1038
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,039
Speaker 6: And then Gary Oldman was the other name that came

1039
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:13,480
to mind.

1040
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, Gary Oldman could play any part in

1041
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,079
any movie anywhere.

1042
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,679
Speaker 1: He actually plays Mason Berger, the guy who ate his

1043
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,159
face in Was It Hannibal? He plays in a sequel

1044
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:24,119
to Silence of the Lambs.

1045
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: Gary Oldman could have played Clarice and done it well.

1046
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: He a speaking of speaking of Clarice, I just thought

1047
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,440
of a couple of names that Katie Holmes or Jennifer Lawrence,

1048
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,480
I think from today.

1049
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,199
Speaker 3: Earlier when you when you said Jennifer Connley, I got distracted,

1050
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,400
But the more I thought about it, actually I think

1051
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,079
of her in uh we had been watching this show

1052
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:48,719
snow Piercer, and like her character in that if she

1053
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,079
was just a maybe a little bit younger, but playing

1054
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,360
that character, I don't know if you guys have seen

1055
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,039
that TV show, but she's got you know, she she

1056
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:59,880
has a little bit of a physical stature that's unassuming

1057
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,000
kind of a deal, but she's also strong and confident,

1058
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:04,880
and she can walk into a room and tell people

1059
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,880
what to do. And so actually, Jennifer Conley today wouldn't

1060
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,679
even be a bad choice for a Clarice.

1061
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 6: That's where I circled back to Robin Wright. Yeah, I

1062
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:16,119
think Robin Wright could have pulled that off too, especially

1063
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,559
when you once you find out what she's really capable.

1064
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,360
Like her character in the House of Cards, Yeah, was

1065
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:26,920
like frightening, frighteningly strong, frighteningly tough. So I think, you know,

1066
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,719
knowing that she has that within her thirty years ago

1067
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,440
in the nineties. I think she could have been a

1068
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,079
great Clarice.

1069
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: Who played Zoe Bartlett on Wesling Elizabeth Moss.

1070
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,639
Speaker 7: Yeah about Scarlett Johansson.

1071
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,119
Speaker 3: And we've come full circle.

1072
00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:45,599
Speaker 8: I would go maybe another one I would throw and

1073
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:47,599
would be. Another of my favorites that I always just

1074
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:48,840
love was Sandra Bullock.

1075
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, she can play about anything. Okay, just some names

1076
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,079
for Jack Crawford. Scott Glenn actually played the part in

1077
00:52:56,119 --> 00:53:01,639
the movie. They thought about Michael Keaton, Mickey Rourke, and

1078
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Kenneth Brannaugh. I thought those were pretty good names. And

1079
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,199
Gene Hackman, I don't know if he goes know this

1080
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,079
or not. He bought the rights to Silence of the Lambs.

1081
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,920
This was supposed to be his directorial debut. I don't

1082
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,719
know what he was looking at. But after he bought it,

1083
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,079
he thought, now this is too gross, too graphic, and

1084
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:19,480
he bowed out. But I also heard him as directing

1085
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,639
and playing Crawford and Jack Crawford's character is based on

1086
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:26,679
the real life John Douglas. I've read his book called Manhunter. Fascinating,

1087
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,239
but I'll give you nightmares.

1088
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 8: I would have said Kevin Spacey maybe two for that

1089
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,159
role too. Could have been pretty interesting.

1090
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: Yep.

1091
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: Boris Fishburne actually plays him in the TV series. Did

1092
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,599
you guys anybody see in the TV series?

1093
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:38,599
Speaker 2: Oh?

1094
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 3: I haven't. Yeah, they had a TV series that was

1095
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,440
called Hannibal. Was it just a few years ago, wasn't it?

1096
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1097
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got one coming out this year or it

1098
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,719
has been out this year called Clarice. Oh.

1099
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,679
Speaker 6: I didn't catch that at all, so ill that's what

1100
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,199
I thought you were talking. I started watching Clarice. I

1101
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,360
only got like two or three episodes in, and it

1102
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,719
was just it was not landing.

1103
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: Well. Okay. Trivia question, name the first slasher movie, the

1104
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,719
first movie with a toilet, the first movie with a

1105
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,360
toilet flush, and first movie with a girl and just

1106
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,400
her bra and slip.

1107
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 6: That'd be Psycho Picho is the correct answer?

1108
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: Very good? All right? Now real quick? What was the

1109
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,880
boyfriend's name in Psycho?

1110
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:22,519
Speaker 3: Sam?

1111
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: Sam?

1112
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: What? Sam?

1113
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:27,079
Speaker 4: Why is Gamgee?

1114
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 9: Oh?

1115
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,119
Speaker 1: Sam Loomis?

1116
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 2: Sam Loomis is the correct answer. Where else is there

1117
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,400
a character with the name Sam Loomis?

1118
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:37,199
Speaker 1: Halloween?

1119
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:41,079
Speaker 2: I did not call your name, mister. Please stop shouting

1120
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,880
the answers out. Sorry, the answer is correct. Is Halloween?

1121
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,880
The doctor in Halloween is named Sam Loomis as a

1122
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:54,599
throwback to Psycho, So another relation if you will. Yes, Okay,

1123
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:58,599
so let's talk about first scene and best scene for

1124
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:02,119
each of the movies. All right, So first scene of

1125
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,559
m You've got the kids dancing around in the circle

1126
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,559
playing the game where like people are getting hacked up

1127
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:11,599
and you kind of get out of the circle if

1128
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:14,119
you get hacked up, right, And then the mothers are

1129
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,679
like stop, you know, stop playing that game. The other

1130
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,599
mother is like, hey, at least if we can hear them,

1131
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,639
we know we're there. They're there. And then you see

1132
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:26,159
the wanted poster. You see murder on the wanted poster.

1133
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,440
If you happen to speak German, it's not a real

1134
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:33,119
hard translation to make. But then a shadow comes over

1135
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,920
the word murder and it's the killer. Right. What do

1136
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,800
you guys think? What'd you think of the first scene.

1137
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,039
Speaker 3: Of em I thought that was great, Like I thought,

1138
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,039
especially knowing that this is one of the earliest movies

1139
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:46,639
that incorporated sound, you know, to start it off with.

1140
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,920
I mean, because always, and at that point it wouldn't

1141
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,960
have been the case, but I always, I always love

1142
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,719
a good creepy child in a horror movie, you know,

1143
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,039
and the kids song that they were singing was like

1144
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,840
just creepy enough to be like, all right, well, I

1145
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,320
I can see where if somebody watching this in nineteen

1146
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,519
thirty one was like, good lord, that was a morbid

1147
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,840
little song being sung by children. You know, that may

1148
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,440
not have started the trend of let's put creepy kids

1149
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,559
in movies to scare people.

1150
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1151
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,559
Speaker 6: I thought it was very simple, right, It wasn't too

1152
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,800
complex trying to set up too many possible avenues of

1153
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,599
you know, possible misdirection or red herrings, Like we're pretty

1154
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,800
much going to tell you what's going on. These kids

1155
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,400
are going to sing about it, their mothers are going

1156
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,320
to clarify some things, and then we're going to see

1157
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,239
the murder, like the word murder show up, and then

1158
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,960
you get the entrance of the murderers. Like, yeah, that's

1159
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,199
pretty much everything I need to know right now. So

1160
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,519
thank you very much for these three and a half minutes.

1161
00:56:42,519 --> 00:56:45,079
I hope the rest of the movie isn't as obvious

1162
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,599
as the first handful of minutes were.

1163
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 4: I agree with everything that's been said.

1164
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: Then did you get a chance to watch Yeah? I did.

1165
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 9: Now, the one thing that I watched both the title

1166
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,960
version for half of it. I did watch the English version,

1167
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
and I was just curious because you said the sciences murder,

1168
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,800
which I thought too, What's interesting on the English version

1169
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,320
because what they do is they'll suppose the English text

1170
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,840
over and it just says ten thousand marks reward missing.

1171
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,280
It doesn't say murder in that one version, which is weird.

1172
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 8: So I was just wondering how the when they translated

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it was interesting how they if that was correct that

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was missing or murder, because I was like, wondering, are

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they in the in the German part, it looks like

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it's almost the question mark of something.

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Speaker 7: Is it murder or is it? Like I wonder.

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Speaker 8: I took German, so I should know this, but for

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two years but in high school. But yeah, I'm just

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curious what that sign really said in German because to

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me it looks like something murder, probably for a reward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they they refilmed, like a lot of this,

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a lot of the movie for to be to be

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in English.

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Speaker 7: Right, So they refilmed it.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've got the original version that Fritz Lang did,

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and then they refilmed a lot of it to be

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in English. And Peter Lorie played his same part in

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the English version as well. He had escaped to the

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US by then because he was also Jewish and knew

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it was time to get out of Nazi Germany. And

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that was his first English speaking movie. Was this movie? Really? Yeah?

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So his second English speaking movie was The Man Who

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Knew Too Much, which was directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Okay, guys,

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we're going to take a quick second to do our

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new segment called the Shirley Showcase. Today we have mister

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Dayton Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dayton Johnson's a friend of ours. He has been

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on the Film By podcast, which those guys are friends

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of ours, and now he's got his own podcast called

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Docking Bay seventy seven.

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Speaker 2: That is your sort of Star Wars reference. Right, that's

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what I took it as. I think that's got to be.

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We got to ask him that question. Yeah, all right,

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Well let's hear from Dayton Johnson. He's got an episode,

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a throwback to one of the episodes that we did

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last year season one, and he's going to give us

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his opinion on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Doctor feel Good and skid Row. Here's Daton Johnson.

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, it's Dayton from the Docking Bay seventy seven podcast.

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I thought I do it shout out twenty year older episodes,

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skid Row versus Doctor feel Good, A little history real quick,

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my bet A fan of Motley Crue for a while.

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I still actually own my original Shout at the Devil

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on vinyl, and I actually did buy Doctor fiel Good

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when was released back in eighty nine. Schedule is a

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little different. Yeah, I heard him on the radio a lot,

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and I had friends that had their CD so I

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got to listen to them, but it wasn't until the

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last year or so that actually bought skid Row Enslaved

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to the Grind on CD. Now, when comparing these two records,

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I decided to look at the songs that weren't released

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as opposed to the singles, because both records had a

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lot of great singles released.

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Speaker 3: Off with them.

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Speaker 10: So when I started looking at skid Row, songs like

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Sweet Little Sister, Making a Mess and Can't Stand the

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Heartache really stood out as really good rock songs. Midnight

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Tornado also stands out, and to a lesser extent, Rattlesnake

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Shake and Big Guns. It's a really solid record, especially

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since it was a debut album. Doctor Fieldgud had a

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lot of good singles released off hit. Every one of

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them is stellar, but when you look at the other

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songs on the album, they're really not all that great.

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I mean, yeah, there's a nice bluesy swing to them,

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but I didn't find myself singing along to them, and

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I really just kind of let them play in the

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background and sometimes even skipped. So I'm kind of surprising

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myself because going into this, I thought I knew my answer,

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But after revisiting both records, I decided that skid Row

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put out a better record. Even though I think Doctor

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Field is a great album, skid Row just kind of

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01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:14,800
edges it out for a debut album. It really does rock. Hey, guys,

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thanks for letting me do this, and I'm looking forward

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01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:18,599
to more good episodes, all right.

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Speaker 2: I love it that he had the experience like we've

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,840
had before, where we revisit something and we're amazed that

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we missed out on the first go round.

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Speaker 1: I think when you compare album with the album, I've

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got to agree with him. I think skid Row's album

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is better than Doctor Feel Good, even though I love

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01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:35,400
Doctor Field. Good Dayton, thank you for doing that for us.

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We really appreciate that. Go check out his new podcast,

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Documents seventy seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Dayton really appreciates you and all your input.

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And also be sure and go check out the film

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by podcast with Dayton and Friends.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So that's going to do it for part

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01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,159
one of our m Versus Psycho Versus Silence of the

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01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:59,039
Lambs episode. We'll be back next week with the awesome

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01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,800
thirty something guys again as we continue our conversation, getting

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01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,400
a little bit more in depth this time.

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Speaker 2: Those three movies excellent. Look forward to seeing you guys.

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01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:10,960
Then be sure to hit that subscribe button so that

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,119
you don't miss that episode.

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