Speaker 1: Today, I want to tell you about a journey that
Speaker 1: I've been on for most of my life. Ever since
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and
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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm new to one doow now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go
Speaker 2: out toight. Hello, hit the boddy out here, quin on
Speaker 2: out there? I thought of a bench about text nine.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Easy ann ount there. Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 1: He didn't. Thanks so much for joining me for the show.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the little departure from what I normally have
Speaker 1: been doing here on Sundays. It's normally been the Alaska
Speaker 1: Bigfoot stories with bread, but I was on as a
Speaker 1: guest over on Tenfoil Tails a while back with Brandon,
Speaker 1: and it was a really cool conversation. He's a really
Speaker 1: cool guy, great show. I had a great time talking
Speaker 1: to him, and we covered some things that you may
Speaker 1: have not heard me talk about in the past, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, so I thought I would bring that
Speaker 1: to you here today. It was a really cool conversation.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.
Speaker 1: Make sure you check out ten Foil Tails Show Brandon
Speaker 1: some love over on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen
Speaker 1: to this show. I know he will definitely appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Make sure you stay tuned because I just finished writing
Speaker 1: the second book. It's completely different than Sasquatch Unleashed The
Speaker 1: Truth behind the Legend. This is actually a fictionalized story
Speaker 1: that I've written about a Sasquatch that we get to
Speaker 1: follow through his entire life and all of the adventures
Speaker 1: and everything that goes on with his clan, And we
Speaker 1: get to experience everything from the perspective of the Sasquatch
Speaker 1: and the story, and we get to answer some of
Speaker 1: those questions that I think we've always had when it
Speaker 1: comes to these creatures and this phenomenon. I certainly get
Speaker 1: the fact that not everybody is into bigfoot fiction. I
Speaker 1: personally am not a huge fan of bigfoot fiction. I've
Speaker 1: read a couple of books recently in the last year
Speaker 1: or so that I really enjoyed, but by and large,
Speaker 1: I am a very scientific guy. I like the nuts
Speaker 1: and bolt stuff. I like the hardcore boots on the
Speaker 1: ground research and evidence presented in book form. But sometimes
Speaker 1: a great story is just a great story. So keep
Speaker 1: an eye out. Dropping in your feed soon will be
Speaker 1: the first chapter of this new book that I hope
Speaker 1: that you guys enjoy as much as I enjoyed writing.
Speaker 1: But enough of that, I know you guys are ready
Speaker 1: to get into it, So all this left for you
Speaker 1: to do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.
Speaker 3: I'd like to take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Brian.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on here talking to me. Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. I appreciate the invite. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I enjoy talking to a fellow podcasters every now and then.
Speaker 3: Do you want to let the audience know who you
Speaker 3: are and a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am now a full time podcaster. I was
Speaker 1: not always that. I did sixteen years in law enforcement.
Speaker 1: I was a City of Atlanta police officer. Left that
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. I'm surrounded a little bit. We ended
Speaker 1: up moving out of Georgia purchased forty acres of land
Speaker 1: here in North Carolina with the hopes of possible Bigfoot activity.
Speaker 1: We'll certainly get into that, I'm sure at some point
Speaker 1: in time, but yeah, man, I was always interested in
Speaker 1: cryptid's Bigfoot, grew up in some haunted houses, had some
Speaker 1: UFO experiences early on in life, so I was always
Speaker 1: into weird things things and cryptids. And I started listening
Speaker 1: to podcasts probably at this point about five years ago,
Speaker 1: and never listened to a podcast before. Somebody said to me,
Speaker 1: I was in music. I'd recorded music, singing bands all
Speaker 1: my life and done a couple of albums in the past.
Speaker 1: I was into production and those kind of things, and
Speaker 1: somebody was like, why don't you listen to podcasts. You're
Speaker 1: into history and some other things. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: cryptid stuff out there. So I started listening to my
Speaker 1: first encounters based podcasts, specifically about Bigfoot, about five years ago.
Speaker 1: I really got back into the subject. When you're a cop,
Speaker 1: you don't go to work every day and talk about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and UFOs. At least I didn't do that as
Speaker 1: a police officer, so I was able to rekindle that
Speaker 1: old flame, if you will, and my interest in those things.
Speaker 1: After I left that job, I started listening to the
Speaker 1: podcast and I thought, man, that really makes me want
Speaker 1: to talk to people who have had these experiences. It's
Speaker 1: one thing to listen to the podcast and hear other
Speaker 1: people telling their stories, and the person behind the microphone
Speaker 1: asking the questions always things that I wanted to know
Speaker 1: that never got asked. I was like, man, I really
Speaker 1: want to talk to these people myself. So I guess
Speaker 1: it was late twenty twenty. I started reaching out to
Speaker 1: people in a bunch of Facebook groups about Bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: was going in the group saying, Hey, is there anybody
Speaker 1: that's had experiences, especially in the Southeastern United States. I
Speaker 1: was born and raised in Georgia. I now live in
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I wanted to talk to people who had
Speaker 1: those kind of experiences in the areas that I grew up.
Speaker 1: Started reaching out to people, and people started responding saying, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I live in Georgia and I had this experience. Somebody
Speaker 1: was in North Carolina and somebody was in Tennessee, Alabama,
Speaker 1: the Carolinas. I said, wow, there's really people having these
Speaker 1: experiences in these areas. Because most of the time, when
Speaker 1: you think about Bigfoot specifically, it's usually Pacific Northwest, it's
Speaker 1: in California, it's in those areas, but it's not anywhere
Speaker 1: in the southeastern United States. But there were people having
Speaker 1: these experiences. So I started hooking up with these people, saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to you about your experience. And then,
Speaker 1: of course I thought, it's one thing to talk to
Speaker 1: them about how am I going to document this because
Speaker 1: other people might be interested in it. I might want
Speaker 1: to go back at some point in time in the future,
Speaker 1: listen back to this person's story and maybe compare it
Speaker 1: to somebody else that I talked to. So I thought,
Speaker 1: why don't I start a podcast. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: great idea, But I had no clue how to podcast.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any equipment, I had no idea how
Speaker 1: to get on a platform. I had no idea what
Speaker 1: I was doing. So the first couple of episodes probably
Speaker 1: i'd say the first ten, fifteen, maybe even twenty episodes
Speaker 1: of sasquatch Odyssy were recorded using a horrible free app
Speaker 1: on my iPhone to record conversations with people. I tried
Speaker 1: to edit best I could with limited knowledge and put
Speaker 1: it out there for folks. And like most podcasts, nobody's listening.
Speaker 1: You see the numbers, you see the downloads. There was
Speaker 1: like twenty people listening, and there was thirty, and then
Speaker 1: I was doing one hundred and it just started snowballing. Honestly.
Speaker 1: I produced the first episode of Sasquatch Odyssy in February
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, I think mid year. I was
Speaker 1: probably four or five months in to that first year.
Speaker 1: I started seeing a significant amount of downloads. Wes from
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Chronicles emailed me. Anybody who's into bigfoot and podcasts
Speaker 1: probably is listened to Wessa's show. It's like the number
Speaker 1: one big foot podcast in the world. And he said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I listened to your show. I think it's great, but
Speaker 1: your audio sucks. Let me help you with that. So
Speaker 1: we got on the phone. We spent hours on the
Speaker 1: phone over the course of a couple of days. He
Speaker 1: gave me a list of things to order, things that
Speaker 1: he used. I used the same board to this date
Speaker 1: that I'm sure Wes is still using and it changed
Speaker 1: the show overnight. Audio quality got better the more I
Speaker 1: did the interviews. I'd already interviewed people as a cop,
Speaker 1: but it's a completely different scenario when you're talking to
Speaker 1: somebody on a nine one one call, you're trying to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of a possible crime, or an
Speaker 1: IDO accident or a domestic violence situation. You're talking about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It's a different way to interview people. That was an
Speaker 1: achilles heel, if you will, or a handicap from going
Speaker 1: into it, because I didn't want to be known as
Speaker 1: that guy with the Bigfoot podcast that will interrogate you
Speaker 1: about your experience. He's a former COB. He's going to
Speaker 1: browbeat you into submission and talking about whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you think you saw. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be that guy because I'm not that guy. I was
Speaker 1: fighting that battle. And then obviously West reached out. We
Speaker 1: got together and the IDEO quality improved on the show.
Speaker 1: And then towards the end of twenty twenty one, I
Speaker 1: was working a full time job. I was in retail management.
Speaker 1: I was running an Iudo park super hub here fifty
Speaker 1: minutes or so away. From the house. I was driving
Speaker 1: almost two hours a day round trip. I was working
Speaker 1: fifty sixty hours a week supervising fifty people, and I
Speaker 1: was miserable. The only thing that really made me happy
Speaker 1: was being here on my property, being in the woods,
Speaker 1: and doing my podcast. We had monetized the podcast. I
Speaker 1: had enough listeners that we started monetizing, and it was
Speaker 1: making pretty good money. I was almost replacing my pretty
Speaker 1: hefty salary doing this job that I hated doing the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I just got to this point. I think it
Speaker 1: was March of twenty two. I said, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this, I've got to give it the old
Speaker 1: college try, and I've got to devote full time into this.
Speaker 1: So I gave myself three months. I went to my
Speaker 1: better half and said, look, I think this podcast thing
Speaker 1: can work. I need to step away from doing this
Speaker 1: retail job. So that's what it did. March of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, I left that full time job behind and
Speaker 1: started podcasting full time. I've never looked back. Man, It's
Speaker 1: been the best decision of my life. I've never had
Speaker 1: as much fun as I'm having doing my job. Over
Speaker 1: these last couple of years, I've started multiple podcasts. I
Speaker 1: host four full time podcasts that go out each week.
Speaker 1: We started a network of podcasts. We have other podcasters
Speaker 1: that do shows on our network, and we network were
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. I help a lot of
Speaker 1: people with their shows. Now that I've learned what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I'm able to teach other people, and I try to
Speaker 1: do that as much as possible. I could probably name
Speaker 1: five or six shows that I'm sure most of your
Speaker 1: listeners probably have heard, and I've probably helped that podcaster
Speaker 1: in some way, shape form, or fashion as much as
Speaker 1: I can behind the scenes to help growth show. Because
Speaker 1: a lot of things are competitive, Bigfoot is one of them,
Speaker 1: cryptids is podcasting can be very competitive. But my approach
Speaker 1: to podcasting and cryptids research, any and all of the
Speaker 1: above is the better we all do. If your show
Speaker 1: is one of the best that everybody's ever heard as
Speaker 1: far as audio quality and production quality, and it captures
Speaker 1: your audience immediately, they're going to fall in love with
Speaker 1: your show. They're going to fall in love with podcasting
Speaker 1: in general. And if your show is similar to mine,
Speaker 1: then they're going to search for more because they're eventually
Speaker 1: going to catch up in your catalog they're going to
Speaker 1: run out of something to do. People listen to multiple shows,
Speaker 1: so I've always looked at it that way. If I
Speaker 1: help somebody behind the scenes and I help them improve
Speaker 1: their show, very much like Wes did to me, it's
Speaker 1: passing it on. It's karma for me. If I can
Speaker 1: pass that on to more podcasters and help them with
Speaker 1: their show, the better my show is going to do,
Speaker 1: because more people are going to be interested. If they
Speaker 1: tune into a podcast about cryptids bigfoots specifically, and the
Speaker 1: first one they land on in their podcast is a
Speaker 1: crappy show with horrible audio and bad interviews, They're probably
Speaker 1: never going to come back. So I want them to
Speaker 1: find my show eventually, So I try to pass that
Speaker 1: on as much as possible because I've learned so much.
Speaker 1: But that's how I fell into the podcasting thing, and
Speaker 1: I've never looked back.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Like I said, is the greatest decision I've ever made.
Speaker 1: I've never been happier. Who knew you could make a
Speaker 1: great living doing podcasting, writing books, traveling around doing conferences
Speaker 1: talking about bigfoot Man? If I'd known this fifteen twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, I'd be much happier. I'm sure when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to podcasting. Know your story is very similar to
Speaker 3: what happened with me. I had a weird experience that
Speaker 3: happened actually got me into the whole cryptidide because I
Speaker 3: was a pretty much a skeptic. I had a weird
Speaker 3: experience two thousand and seven which kind of got me
Speaker 3: into this whole idea of believing that there's some weird
Speaker 3: stuff out there. But I was a musician. I did
Speaker 3: vocals and a metal band, so I had all the
Speaker 3: recording stuff for music purposes. I didn't ever do anything
Speaker 3: podcast wise up until twenty twenty two because of the
Speaker 3: band Stuff's kind of just wasn't doing anything with it.
Speaker 3: Like we stopped in twenty twenty when the whole world
Speaker 3: was shut down for a little bit. That's when I
Speaker 3: started looking into podcasting. I had this great idea that
Speaker 3: I was going to start a podcast talked about cryptids
Speaker 3: and UFOs and aliens and conspiracies and all this other
Speaker 3: stuff like I've hat no one's out there doing that.
Speaker 3: Lo and behold, I was wrong. I come across West's show.
Speaker 3: That was the first podcast that I ever really listened to,
Speaker 3: Sasquatch Chronicles. So I listened to that, and I heard
Speaker 3: someone talk about he'd interviewed that judge about dog Man,
Speaker 3: and that's where I came from. Is I literally saw
Speaker 3: it up for a Walking K nine back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and seven, and I never really heard anyone else
Speaker 3: talk about something like that, so it really piqued my interest.
Speaker 3: And then listen to this show, I come across a
Speaker 3: couple others and from there it just you know what
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this. So two years ago I started
Speaker 3: the podcast and it's just been steadily growing, so I
Speaker 3: can't complain either.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was one of the things that surprised me
Speaker 1: was how many podcasts there are out there. There's hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of Bigfoot podcasts. Now there's tons of dog
Speaker 1: Man podcasts. Dog Man was something that was never really
Speaker 1: on my radar until I got heavily into the Bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: It just seemed to be a gateway drug, the gateway
Speaker 1: cryptid if you will, Bigfoot takes you into all these
Speaker 1: other realms. And started hearing people talking about dog Man.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed a couple of people over the last two
Speaker 1: three years. I think I've maybe a handful of people
Speaker 1: at this point, maybe four or five people that have
Speaker 1: claimed to have some sort of experience with a dog Man,
Speaker 1: and I'll be honest with you, I'm still on the
Speaker 1: fence about it. I don't know what box to check.
Speaker 1: I can't wrap my brain around a six or seven
Speaker 1: foot tall, upright canid creature that's walking around in the woods.
Speaker 1: I've always felt it was some sort of misidentification or
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I'm a flesh and blood kind of
Speaker 1: guy when it comes to Bigfoot, and I'm still not
Speaker 1: all in on the Bigfoot thing. If people listen to
Speaker 1: my show, We're almost five hundred episodes into the show
Speaker 1: at this point, and it goes back and forth from me.
Speaker 1: I get emails all the time. Somebody left me a
Speaker 1: one star review on Apple because I still say, to
Speaker 1: this day, five days out of seven, I'm still not
Speaker 1: exactly convinced that Bigfoot is completely real. I've had experiences
Speaker 1: that I can't explain, but I haven't seen one of
Speaker 1: these things. So until I actually lay eyes on it,
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be one hundred percent. But dog
Speaker 1: Man has been one of those things that has always
Speaker 1: fascinated me. But there's clearly there because people like vik
Speaker 1: Kunduff and others that have dog Man shows that are
Speaker 1: specific about those encounters eight nine hundred episodes in so clearly,
Speaker 1: either there's some sort of mass dellusion that's going on,
Speaker 1: people are one hundred percent whole cloth making up all
Speaker 1: their stories, or there's something to it. And I've always
Speaker 1: said to me, dog Man may be one of those things.
Speaker 1: I certainly believe in the afterlife. I've had some experience
Speaker 1: with hauntings and things in the past in my own experience,
Speaker 1: personally experienced them, so I believe in the afterlife. I
Speaker 1: believe there's something that goes on after we pass away.
Speaker 1: I think there's something too. Possibly demonic creature are nefarious
Speaker 1: creatures that are outside of our realm, and it only
Speaker 1: made sense to me that dog Man, if they exist
Speaker 1: and people are seeing what they think they see, there's
Speaker 1: got to be something more to them than just a
Speaker 1: flesh and blood creature, because I can't check that box
Speaker 1: on how or where they would exist in the natural world,
Speaker 1: and upright, nine foot tall eight walking around in North
Speaker 1: America is a hard pill to swallow as well, but
Speaker 1: at least in the fossil record, there are feasible things
Speaker 1: that it could be. People go to jigged alpithecus, people
Speaker 1: go to Australia, pith scenes. There's all kinds of theories
Speaker 1: out there and what these things might be Paranthropus, that's
Speaker 1: a possibility. But dog Man, I'd love to have you
Speaker 1: on and talk about your experience because I'd like to
Speaker 1: add that to my catalog of people, because again, it's
Speaker 1: only been a handful of people out of almost five
Speaker 1: hundred plus interviews that have made it onto the show,
Speaker 1: and there's been very few people who have had those
Speaker 1: experiences of what they believe to be dog Man. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a fascinating thing man. Again Bigfoot, it's
Speaker 1: the same way we know the phenomenon is real. People
Speaker 1: are experiencing things. I went out did an expedition last
Speaker 1: year with Todd Standing. Anybody who's into Bigfoot probably knows
Speaker 1: Todd's name. Discovering Bigfoot documentary one of the biggest documentaries
Speaker 1: in the last probably ten years on Bigfoot, and Todd's
Speaker 1: a very controversial figure. I've made no qualms about my
Speaker 1: feelings about Todd before deering and after going go on
Speaker 1: to the expedition, spending seven days with him up and radium.
Speaker 1: But I had some experiences there I can't explain. I've
Speaker 1: had experiences here on my own land in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: I can't explain. I had an experience when I was
Speaker 1: twelve with what I believed to be a possible Bigfoot
Speaker 1: that I can't explain. So it's difficult to be all in.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not a knowwherre as some people say. I
Speaker 1: want to be a believer because I believe in the
Speaker 1: people that I have on the show. Of course, does
Speaker 1: people that have slipped through the radar If you do
Speaker 1: a ton of interviews, there are people who get by
Speaker 1: the gate you're in the middle of the interview. Part
Speaker 1: of my secret sauce on the show is I don't
Speaker 1: do a whole lot of pre interview. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear the story. I want to hear it for
Speaker 1: the first time when the person's on the show and
Speaker 1: people have surprised me. The sex with the Sasquatch guy
Speaker 1: I had on last year was a surprise. I had
Speaker 1: no idea where that was going. Probably one of the
Speaker 1: wildest interviews I've ever had. This guy was completely convinced
Speaker 1: that he had this experience. I sat on that for
Speaker 1: months and I toiled over whether I was going to
Speaker 1: put that out there, because I am a very serious
Speaker 1: person in the subject. I want people to understand how
Speaker 1: serious I take the subject, and I knew that was
Speaker 1: going to be a hard pill for a lot of
Speaker 1: people to swallow. But I went to a couple of conferences.
Speaker 1: I was a speaker at the Smoky Mountain big Foot
Speaker 1: Conference a couple of years ago before I put this
Speaker 1: episode out, and I talked to hundreds of people that day,
Speaker 1: probably thousands who came by my table. The listeners of
Speaker 1: the show. I had a conversation with him, and I
Speaker 1: asked him if I put out an episode where this
Speaker 1: guy happened to hypothetically say, everybody said, put it out,
Speaker 1: we'd love to hear that episode. It may be crazy,
Speaker 1: you may get some flag, we'd love to hear that episode.
Speaker 1: So I eventually put it out. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's as mundane as it can be seeing a giant,
Speaker 1: hairy hominid walking around in North America. Most of the
Speaker 1: stories on the show that you hear pretty straightforward. Some
Speaker 1: of them are pretty compelling. A lot of them Arek's geary.
Speaker 1: I had a guy from fred from Alaska. He's a
Speaker 1: carry on tribal member up in Dillingham, Alaska. I had
Speaker 1: him on, did an interview he's been on with Cliff
Speaker 1: and Bobo. I think Bobo heard him on my show
Speaker 1: and then they stole him and brought him over on
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and Beyond. Clip's a good friend of mine. So
Speaker 1: if you guys are listening, I'm a kid because I
Speaker 1: love Fred has had quite a few experiences with aggressive Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: aggressive Sasquatch in his area up there, and he's collected
Speaker 1: a ton of stories. He's got a pretty extensive catalog
Speaker 1: of these stories and he just recounts them on his
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, and some of them are pretty hairy man,
Speaker 1: no pun intended. They're pretty hairy stories of people having
Speaker 1: to shoot their way out of cabins because these things
Speaker 1: are pretty aggressive. And I've never really heard as many
Speaker 1: stories about aggression as I've had from Alaska. But it
Speaker 1: runs the gam man. That's what keeps me coming back.
Speaker 1: Everybody's story is different, everybody's experience is different, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the things I say all the time when
Speaker 1: I interview people on the show. Everybody takes little bits
Speaker 1: and pieces from each interview and each encounter story and
Speaker 1: my philosophy is listen, take what you want and leave
Speaker 1: the rest. Whatever resonates with you, you take it. If
Speaker 1: you think they're full of crap and it's bs, then
Speaker 1: maybe the next story will be different for you. But
Speaker 1: I pride myself on just giving people a space on
Speaker 1: sasquatch Ot to see, to come and tell their story,
Speaker 1: whatever that story is, whatever that experience is. Some of
Speaker 1: them get wild, and it is difficult for me to believe,
Speaker 1: as a flesh and blood believer that people are having
Speaker 1: these woo or high strangeness experiences with bigfoot, cloaking, disappearing,
Speaker 1: coming in and out of portals. That's a tough road
Speaker 1: to hope for me to wrap my brain around those experiences.
Speaker 1: But who am I to say that that's not their experience.
Speaker 1: We've been chasing this thing for a lot of years.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot has been around, It's been in the history books
Speaker 1: as long as history has been recorded. Frankly, people have
Speaker 1: had these experiences for a very long time, and we've
Speaker 1: been conventionally looking. I consider myself a researcher of sorts.
Speaker 1: I do go out in the woods. I have been
Speaker 1: on expeditions and looked for these things and had experiences,
Speaker 1: So we've been doing that for a long time. Outside
Speaker 1: of some of the arguable things that people go to
Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimlin film, for one, the Freeman footage from
Speaker 1: ninety two sticks out to me as something that's potentially real.
Speaker 1: But outside of that, we have very little to go on. Footprints,
Speaker 1: foot cast. I was up at the Ohio Bigfoot conference
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and I manned Cliff's booth
Speaker 1: with him. Cliff sells these cast of some of these
Speaker 1: famous prints, the grays Harbor print from I think eighty four,
Speaker 1: and some of the Freeman stuff. Michael Freeman, Paul Freeman's son,
Speaker 1: is a very good friend of mine. I just ordered
Speaker 1: a bunch of casts from him. I think he's sending
Speaker 1: me like five casts from his dad's collection. There is
Speaker 1: evidence out there. But just recently, we have another show
Speaker 1: called that Bigfoot Podcast. If anybody's heard that, Wayne and
Speaker 1: I started that show specifically because if you do an
Speaker 1: interview based show, you don't do a whole lot of talking.
Speaker 1: This is weird for me. I've guessed it on a
Speaker 1: bunch of podcasts, so I've gotten much more used to
Speaker 1: being the one on this side of the microphone. But
Speaker 1: typically my show is, hey, how are you doing, tell
Speaker 1: me what got you started in Bigfoot. Let's get into
Speaker 1: your story, and then people talk for forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: I close out the show and that's it, and stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages. So we started that Bigfoot podcast
Speaker 1: to talk about some of the things that we don't
Speaker 1: get to talk about on our shows. Wayne is part
Speaker 1: of our network. He took over. I had a show
Speaker 1: called Paranormal Odyssey that I was hosting for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. I turned that show over to Wayne about
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. Great show if you
Speaker 1: guys are into that. He talks about everything bigfoot, dog man, ghost, clairvoyance,
Speaker 1: He gets into all the weird stuff UFOs. So you
Speaker 1: guys give Paranormal Odyssey a listener if you're into that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But we started that big podcasts because
Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about hoaxers. We wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the evidence that's out there that we
Speaker 1: have an opinion on. We get into that on that show.
Speaker 1: That's a space where we get to talk about some
Speaker 1: of these things, and just recently went and I were
Speaker 1: talking on the show, and I said, look, dude, the
Speaker 1: more I talk to people about some of this high
Speaker 1: strangeness that's going on, I wonder if we've been barking
Speaker 1: up the wrong tree for so long, because we've been
Speaker 1: out wood knocking and we've been out whooping, and we've
Speaker 1: been out searching for tracks and trying to get pictures
Speaker 1: of these things and video of these things for decades
Speaker 1: and had very little success collectively in the community. So
Speaker 1: is there possibly more to these things? I even wrote
Speaker 1: in my books I s Watch Unleashed the Truth behind
Speaker 1: the Legend, I talk about some of the high strangeness stuff,
Speaker 1: and I said in the book, for me, I think
Speaker 1: to get scientists involved, I think we have to separate
Speaker 1: the two. I think we have to pull away from
Speaker 1: the woo and the high strangeness in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to get mainstream scientists interested enough in the subject
Speaker 1: to maybe push the ball down the field. But I
Speaker 1: still think there is a possibilit that we should be
Speaker 1: looking in both places simultaneously, at least with a little
Speaker 1: bit of an open mind. We're making some strides now
Speaker 1: with some of the DNA studies that Darby orcut is
Speaker 1: doing up at NC State here in my home state
Speaker 1: of North Carolina. They're actually testing DNA. There's a ton
Speaker 1: of stuff that's being tested that I'm excited about. I
Speaker 1: think this is one of the things that has excited
Speaker 1: me the most over the last i'd have to say
Speaker 1: probably five to possibly ten years, honestly. In the subject
Speaker 1: is this DNA study. There's the Melby Ketcham DNA study.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're familiar with that from I
Speaker 1: don't know twenty thirteen or so. I won't even get
Speaker 1: into that. We've covered it on that Bigfoot podcast. I
Speaker 1: certainly have my opinions about it. I think it's very flawed,
Speaker 1: to say the least. I'll leave it at that, but
Speaker 1: I think what Darby's doing. I actually got to hang
Speaker 1: out with Darby in Ohio. We went out to dinner
Speaker 1: after the conference. We were talking about that. It was
Speaker 1: Cliff Doug Hichek was there at the dinner. I'm sure
Speaker 1: people into Bigfoot are pretty familiar with Doug. Doug has
Speaker 1: sent Darby some very exciting things that I'm excited for
Speaker 1: him to test. I think they're making some progress. I
Speaker 1: just don't think DNA is going to get it done.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to take a body if these
Speaker 1: things exist. I feel like we're on the cusp. I
Speaker 1: hope we're on the cusp of something happening, because it
Speaker 1: just seems like we're in this washing machine on repeat
Speaker 1: with the same faked videos that seem to pop up
Speaker 1: every four or five months, the same paradolia pictures, and
Speaker 1: the same thing that we're just running over and over.
Speaker 1: There's really nothing new happening, and I just feel like
Speaker 1: we're on the cusp. I'm hoping that something's happened. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Where are you on Bigfoot? Is that something
Speaker 1: that you've been interested in? How do you feel about
Speaker 1: the evidence? Where are you on this thing being real
Speaker 1: or not?
Speaker 3: I've always been a skeptic, like I said, up until
Speaker 3: what I saw just as of a few years ago,
Speaker 3: I figured, you know what, it's plausible there could be
Speaker 3: an upright walking in primate. Theoretically, when you think about it,
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense as to why you don't find
Speaker 3: any evidence of it, as far as you don't find
Speaker 3: a body, you've never come across any bones. But then
Speaker 3: think about people who go out hunting, how often do
Speaker 3: they ever really come across a dead bear or a
Speaker 3: dead mountain mine. How often do they find a skull
Speaker 3: of a bear?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: It's very rare. So I thought about it. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what I could see, especially out west up
Speaker 3: Norris in Canada, it would make sense. Then when I
Speaker 3: actually started listening to other podcasts, because again I was
Speaker 3: never a podcast first, I didn't listen to anything like that.
Speaker 3: I watched a few shows on TV, like Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 3: or whatever. But when you start to listen to things,
Speaker 3: you start to listen to people's experiences or accounts from
Speaker 3: what happened. You listen to the researchers. I was thinking
Speaker 3: bless and Blood, but then more and more interviews that's
Speaker 3: turned into the WU side. And the only thing I
Speaker 3: can describe about all that is I was hesitant. But
Speaker 3: some of it you can't explain if people are clearly
Speaker 3: seeing something, and I don't think it's completely misidentification all
Speaker 3: the way around. Even the thing that i'd saw, if
Speaker 3: someone told me what happened to me, if they told
Speaker 3: me my own account, I would think they're batshit crazy.
Speaker 3: But I saw it, So how am I going to
Speaker 3: write off with anyone else seen? Because I struggled to
Speaker 3: even believe what I've seen. It doesn't make sense. There's
Speaker 3: no such thing as an uprade walking canine. It's impossible.
Speaker 3: But I saw what I saw, so I'm not here
Speaker 3: to ridicule anyone else. It's seeing some weird stuff too,
Speaker 3: because if I can't explain what I saw, I don't
Speaker 3: even want to believe what I saw. What do these
Speaker 3: other people see that I can say that this person's
Speaker 3: making it up or whatever. I've had people that have
Speaker 3: come on here, and I can tell after we started
Speaker 3: doing the interview, I go in pretty much blind. They
Speaker 3: tell me, oh, I've had this encounter. Whatever I say,
Speaker 3: don't tell me all their information. I want to hear it,
Speaker 3: so I pay more attention if I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 3: If someone who writes out this big, long email and
Speaker 3: says every detail about it, I already know where it's
Speaker 3: going to go. So it's better for me to go
Speaker 3: in not so much not prepared, but keeps me interested
Speaker 3: to find out where the story's going. But I've had
Speaker 3: people to come on here that said some weird stuff.
Speaker 3: Nothing about sex with Bigfoot, but there's been some out
Speaker 3: there things. But again, who am I to say that
Speaker 3: it's true or not, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: I'm not here to try and prove or disprove anybody.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to Bigfoot, I believe that there's
Speaker 3: something out there. I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 3: can't say if it's flesh and blood. I can't say
Speaker 3: if it's some interdimensional being which keeps getting tossed around now.
Speaker 3: I can't say it's an alien. I don't know. People
Speaker 3: are clearly seeing something, yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's what keeps me coming back. Man, and I
Speaker 1: try to keep an open mind with people's experiences. I
Speaker 1: spent so much time talking to people that are in
Speaker 1: the flesh and blood camp that have all but convinced me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very difficult. I did a speaking gig
Speaker 1: last year up in Idaho with Cliff. Jeff Meldron was there,
Speaker 1: Doctor Meldrum, Michael Freeman, Paul Freeman's son. We all went
Speaker 1: out to dinner. You can't sit around the dinner table
Speaker 1: with Jeff Meldrum and Cliff Berrickman at least, I had
Speaker 1: a hard time walking away and not believing that something
Speaker 1: exists that is flesh and blood. They're very convincing in
Speaker 1: their experience. They're very convincing in the science. Jeff takes
Speaker 1: a look at these tracks, these casts, the way he
Speaker 1: articulates what he's seeing. He's convinced that Patty is real
Speaker 1: just based on the foot prints that were cast that
Speaker 1: day on the sandbar back in sixty seven. Even if
Speaker 1: the video didn't exist, Meldrum would believe that Patty is
Speaker 1: an upright walking hominid of some sort. It's very difficult
Speaker 1: to have conversations with people like Cliff and Jeff, and
Speaker 1: even Michael to an extent, then have conversations with people
Speaker 1: who say Bigfoot comes out of portals, they teleport a
Speaker 1: mind speak. It's one of those things that I've tried
Speaker 1: so hard to reconcile just for my own sanity sometimes
Speaker 1: because people are having these experiences, and I used to
Speaker 1: separate those. I'd have people on the show early on
Speaker 1: that would say, Yeah, I've got Bigfoot activity their scale
Speaker 1: on my property. They've scared my kids, they've left tracks,
Speaker 1: we've heard sounds, we've heard vocalizations, they've thrown rocks at us.
Speaker 1: Then I would ask any other weird stuff going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had weird lights and we've seen what looks like
Speaker 1: alien craft, sometimes right before sometimes even daring some of
Speaker 1: the bigfoot activity, and sometimes after. I used to separate
Speaker 1: those two and say, yeah, okay, you've got bigfoot activity
Speaker 1: and then you've got UFO stuff. I've had both, I think,
Speaker 1: not simultaneously in Radium last October, but not exactly at
Speaker 1: the same time. But I never drew a correlation. I
Speaker 1: was always like, Nag, it's weird. You throw the woo
Speaker 1: stuff to the side, and you stick with what you
Speaker 1: want to believe, which for me is the flesh and
Speaker 1: blood stuff. And the more people had talked to credible
Speaker 1: research is that I believe wholeheartedly. Don't have a dog
Speaker 1: in the fight to hoax me or lie to me
Speaker 1: that would tell me they've been out on Bigfoot expeditions
Speaker 1: at places where there's habituation situation going on. Darryl comes
Speaker 1: to mind from Tennessee last year as one of those people.
Speaker 1: Daryl had some very real stuff going on around his house.
Speaker 1: These things were tearing down fences and he was having
Speaker 1: issues with them. Then he had a habituation situation. He
Speaker 1: was trying to help these people with he and a
Speaker 1: couple of other investigators because the sasquats were getting very
Speaker 1: aggressive and they went out there to try to help
Speaker 1: them with this. He has a situation where he's out
Speaker 1: on this investigation and they're having all this activity and
Speaker 1: an orb comes floating down the heel at him, turns
Speaker 1: into a possum in front of him. He's telling me this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what do you do with that? He said, Brian,
Speaker 1: I know I can see your face. I know you
Speaker 1: probably think I'm crazy. I think it's crazy, But that's
Speaker 1: what happened to me. Why would he say that. Why
Speaker 1: would he make up a story about bigfoot activity and
Speaker 1: then tell me that an orb turned into a possum
Speaker 1: in front of him. It just blew my mind. You
Speaker 1: hear so many of those stories, you have to. At
Speaker 1: least I've come to the conclusion. I think there's probably
Speaker 1: some sort of connection in a lot of cases. I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily all cases, but I think there is
Speaker 1: a common thread at least between some of the things
Speaker 1: that people experience. I'm very much into UFOs. I don't
Speaker 1: do a ton of UFO stuff anymore. I stick primarily
Speaker 1: with the bigfoot thing because for the show that's where
Speaker 1: my audience is, so I have to give them what
Speaker 1: they want. But I'm very interested. Again, I've had a
Speaker 1: couple of UFO experiences, so I like talking to people
Speaker 1: about that. Preston Dinnett is one of those people that
Speaker 1: I have interviewed a couple of times. He's had a
Speaker 1: couple of people that he's recommended. There was a lady
Speaker 1: and I forget her name, who had some really wild
Speaker 1: UFO experiences, and Preston reached out and said, hey, we
Speaker 1: just finished her book. She's put everything into a book,
Speaker 1: and we'd like to come on your show and promoted
Speaker 1: and I said sure, brought her on, and she had
Speaker 1: a wild UFO story about being trained from when she
Speaker 1: was a child to fly alien craft around the galaxy.
Speaker 1: It's a long, drawn out story, one hundred percent convincing.
Speaker 1: I walked away from that thinking, this lady is absolutely
Speaker 1: batshit crazy, or she's making this up whole cloth, or
Speaker 1: this might have actually happened. I just don't know where
Speaker 1: I'm landing on this right now. But I said all
Speaker 1: that to say during many conversations with people like Preston Dennett,
Speaker 1: Stan Gordon, huge UFO investigator, bigfoot investigator. He's been in
Speaker 1: this for almost six decades. I've had conversations with those
Speaker 1: guys and they've said to me, Brian, everything is connected.
Speaker 1: They just kept saying that over and over at Brian,
Speaker 1: everything is connected, because I would say it was weird
Speaker 1: stuff happened to this person. But yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's connected to Bigfoot, and they just look at me
Speaker 1: like I'm crazy. No, trust me, everything's connected. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. Man, it's wild. Up and Radium. Last year
Speaker 1: we had some bigfoot activity. I heard some wood knocks.
Speaker 1: I heard what sound died like samurai chatter. We had
Speaker 1: rocks thrown at us a couple of times. We heard whoops,
Speaker 1: we heard other weird vocalizations. We heard what sounded like
Speaker 1: rock clacking together, what sounded like rocks being smacked against wood,
Speaker 1: possibly trees. Then the one night, I think it was
Speaker 1: the second night we were there, we had tons of
Speaker 1: UFO activity. We watched probably ten or twelve of these UFOs,
Speaker 1: probably eighty eighty five thousand feet above us, traveling two
Speaker 1: thousand and three thousand miles an hour, stopping making left
Speaker 1: hand turns on a dime, ninety degree turns and opposite.
Speaker 1: It was wild. It was one of the wildest UFO
Speaker 1: experiences I've ever had. I've had a close up encounter
Speaker 1: with a UFO when I was sixteen with my mom,
Speaker 1: we saw one about six eight hundred feet away from us,
Speaker 1: hovering over us. This was a completely different scenario, and
Speaker 1: it's something like I've never seen before we'll probably never
Speaker 1: experience again. I don't think that was connected to Bigfoot. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we'd heard earlier in the night, some vocalizations, a couple
Speaker 1: of whoops. I don't know if we had rocks thrown
Speaker 1: at us that night or not. But to experience that
Speaker 1: and then try to draw a correlation with the UFOs
Speaker 1: there were eighty thousand feet above us, probably not connected.
Speaker 1: But there are so many worries where I've had people
Speaker 1: on that have claimed to have seen Bigfoot walking off
Speaker 1: of alien craft it landed. That's a pretty big correlation. Man.
Speaker 1: When somebody physically sees one of these things walking off
Speaker 1: of a UFO, I don't know what you do with that.
Speaker 1: There's got to be some sort of a common thread
Speaker 1: or a connection. There.
Speaker 3: A lot of people I've talked to recently, they all
Speaker 3: are on the same mindset that it's all connected, and
Speaker 3: I'm starting to lean that way myself, because I don't
Speaker 3: want to say aliens, bigfoot, cryptids, spirits and everything else,
Speaker 3: but one way or another, they all seem to be
Speaker 3: somehow intertwined. I can't explain any of that to make
Speaker 3: any sort of logical sense, especially to someone that's not
Speaker 3: a full unbeliever, but a lot of the weird stuff
Speaker 3: that goes on I do feel like is somehow I
Speaker 3: don't want how to describe it other than that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm the same way man, and people have said to
Speaker 3: me recent I don't remember who it was that I
Speaker 3: was having a conversation with on the show. They were saying,
Speaker 3: I know you're having a tough time with this high
Speaker 3: strangeness stuff and these sasquatch possibly being spiritual beings or
Speaker 3: interdimensional beings, and they brought it back to reality a
Speaker 3: little bit for me. Its human beings are spiritual beings
Speaker 3: if you believe that human beings have a soul. And
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily talking religion here. I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: buying into any type of organized religion where you go
Speaker 3: to heaven or hill or you got to have your
Speaker 3: soul saved. I'm not talking about any of that. But
Speaker 3: just if you believe that we are more than just
Speaker 3: this body. I tend to believe that I'm not a
Speaker 3: religious person. I'm not really even a spiritual person, honestly,
Speaker 3: but I do believe that something happens to our soul.
Speaker 3: I believe that we have something that makes us right,
Speaker 3: because when people die, something happens right.
Speaker 1: The light goes out, you're done. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that energy is destroyed. I agree that you can't destroy energy.
Speaker 1: It's going to go somewhere. I'm just not sure where
Speaker 1: it goes. I believe that about people. Could it be
Speaker 1: possible that sasquatch would be the same or very similar
Speaker 1: to us, a sentient beings. Sure, I believe that's possible.
Speaker 1: I do believe that I have met at least a
Speaker 1: couple of people that I believe have some extraordinary abilities.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's psychic stuff. I've met some very extraordinary people
Speaker 1: that I think have possibly extrasensory powers. Some people can
Speaker 1: telepathically connect with other people. Some people claim they can
Speaker 1: do it with animals, astral projection. I've had people claim
Speaker 1: that they can do that. There's some people that I
Speaker 1: have a hard time not believing because of some of
Speaker 1: the things that they've been able to describe and talk
Speaker 1: to me specifically about. So I don't know if Sasquatch
Speaker 1: is a flesh and blood creature, can it have some
Speaker 1: of those abilities? Certainly I do. I think that is
Speaker 1: definitely possible. But that has always been my argument as
Speaker 1: a flesh and blood believer in these things. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to say that they have some of these powers,
Speaker 1: Like telepathic communication is one of the big things that
Speaker 1: we hear mind speak in Bigfoot. That's always been a
Speaker 1: rub for me. But I've had conversations with people. I've
Speaker 1: had a survivor man less strout on the show, and
Speaker 1: Les told me several times, three four times. I think
Speaker 1: this guy said he had what he believes to be
Speaker 1: a telepathic connection with Bigfoot. It's a big thing for
Speaker 1: Todd's standing now. He and Ash is his main research partner.
Speaker 1: Up there's girlfriend and research partner. They are into the
Speaker 1: mind's big thing. They claim that they can connect telepathically
Speaker 1: with these clan of Sasquats that are in that Radium
Speaker 1: area on a regular basis, and they talk to him
Speaker 1: and have conversations with them. I take everything that comes
Speaker 1: from Todd with a grain of salt. I always have
Speaker 1: and always will. Could I be wrong? Could they really
Speaker 1: be having those connections? Could it be something outside of themselves?
Speaker 1: And that's what I've always said. I even said it
Speaker 1: to Less. I don't think I said it on the air.
Speaker 1: I told him privately, either before or after we talked
Speaker 1: on air. I said, man, I think it's more of
Speaker 1: a sixth sense that we all have. I told him
Speaker 1: the story I've told him on the show plenty of
Speaker 1: times about being in a situation. On the police force,
Speaker 1: I did a lot of DUI, so I worked overnight
Speaker 1: shifts for a couple of years. I was like ten
Speaker 1: pm to six am. I stopped a lot of cars.
Speaker 1: I tried to stop this car one night that just
Speaker 1: kept rolling, just kept going. Take a left turn. They
Speaker 1: were pulling me into a darker area behind a building.
Speaker 1: That's where we ended up. There was like five guys
Speaker 1: in this car. I was a little apprehensive about it.
Speaker 1: I was pretty gung ho. It took a lot to
Speaker 1: scare me. I wasn't rattled by much when I was
Speaker 1: on the street because I'd been shot at a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I've been through the Ringer. I always joked,
Speaker 1: like ten minutes as a police officer on the streets
Speaker 1: of Atlanta is ten years and other places. So I
Speaker 1: really wasn't concerned. But there was something before I got
Speaker 1: out of my patrol car to walk up to the
Speaker 1: driver's side of that car. Anybody who's ever been stopped
Speaker 1: by the police, I bet you if you've been stopped
Speaker 1: five times in your life, every time the police officer
Speaker 1: does the same thing, gets out of the car, walks
Speaker 1: up to your driver's side, what do and ask you
Speaker 1: for your driver's license and your erance card or whatever
Speaker 1: the protocol is for the state that you're in. I
Speaker 1: got out of my patrol car, but right before I did,
Speaker 1: something said, do not walk to the driver's side of
Speaker 1: this car, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. Just don't do it.
Speaker 1: The hair on the back of my neck stood up,
Speaker 1: the hair on my arm stood up, and I listened.
Speaker 1: It didn't sound like my voice. It was just something
Speaker 1: subconsciously said, do not walk up to that car. Don't
Speaker 1: do it. But I've got the car stopped. I've got
Speaker 1: to make contact with the people, right I can't just
Speaker 1: sit in my car so I backed up. I had
Speaker 1: the lights on, I had the takedown lights, I had
Speaker 1: the spotlight on. The driver. They couldn't see me coming.
Speaker 1: I backed up behind, fell behind my patrol car, and
Speaker 1: I walked up on the passenger side of this vehicle.
Speaker 1: I looked inside. I could see it was lit up
Speaker 1: because of the lights, the takedown light, spotlight. There's five
Speaker 1: guys in the car, two in the front, three in
Speaker 1: the back. Everybody was turned to their left looking backwards
Speaker 1: on the driver's side of the car. I looked in
Speaker 1: the front seat, the driver's side, and the driver had
Speaker 1: a forty five pistol in his hand. He was gonna
Speaker 1: shoot me. When I walked up to the driver side
Speaker 1: of the car. That wasn't Bigfoot, dude, Bigfoot of mine
Speaker 1: speak to me. Nobody in the car mine spoke to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from. I just think
Speaker 1: it was me knowing something's wrong. This guy didn't stop immediately.
Speaker 1: He wasn't running from me. He was driving under the
Speaker 1: speed limit, but he made four or five turns, and
Speaker 1: they didn't stop until they got me into this dark
Speaker 1: area behind this building. I've experienced police officer at that point,
Speaker 1: I know something's wrong, right, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: happens to a lot of people in the woods. And
Speaker 1: you go out in the woods, if you're a hunter
Speaker 1: or an experienced outdoors person, maybe you're camping, hiking, whatever,
Speaker 1: you get a feeling about something's wrong. We all do it.
Speaker 1: When you walk into a room, if you go to
Speaker 1: a party, there can be ten, fifteen thirty people in
Speaker 1: the room. Instinctively, if somebody staring at you, how many
Speaker 1: times have you done that? You have this feeling that
Speaker 1: somebody's looking at you, and you look and you stare
Speaker 1: somebody right in the face and they look away because
Speaker 1: they've been staring at I was for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: I was literally getting ready to say that when you
Speaker 3: were done talking of like, I think people have that
Speaker 3: sixth sense because you can tell when, like you get
Speaker 3: that feeling like you're being watched. Just sometimes you look around,
Speaker 3: you're like some looking at me, and turn around and
Speaker 3: look at someone staring at and they turn their head
Speaker 3: real quick.
Speaker 1: It's a very common thing that you hear, particularly in
Speaker 1: bigfoot experiences, whether it ends up in a siding or
Speaker 1: it's just some other weird things like rock throwing and
Speaker 1: things like that. People always say, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: being watched in that area. I didn't interview just last
Speaker 1: night for the show. The guy kept saying every time
Speaker 1: my friends and I would walk into this area when
Speaker 1: we were kids, we all felt uncomfortable and we would
Speaker 1: only go past this certain spot and we would stop
Speaker 1: because we felt like we were being watched. Who knows
Speaker 1: what that was. Maybe it was a cougar, Maybe it
Speaker 1: was a mountain lion. There's so many things in the woods,
Speaker 1: and I've experienced that the woods here on my property
Speaker 1: and experience that a couple of times. I never saw
Speaker 1: what it was. I don't know if it was a bear.
Speaker 1: We know we've ran into black bear here a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago while hiking, so we know those bears.
Speaker 1: I think I found big cat sign here. I think
Speaker 1: a big cat might have taken one of my dogs
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. There's all kinds of things
Speaker 1: on these forty acres. I don't necessarily think it's anything
Speaker 1: nefarious outside of just natural things that people experience, and
Speaker 1: we tend to assign more spiritual things or more interesting
Speaker 1: things to some of our experiences just because that's what
Speaker 1: human beings do. If you're into Bigfoot and you're in
Speaker 1: the woods and you have that experience, of course it's
Speaker 1: got to be Bigfoot, right. I'm not saying that's not
Speaker 1: what people are experiencing. I tend to be more of
Speaker 1: an Okham's razor gun. I try to go to those
Speaker 1: places first. Even with my own experiences. The mind speak
Speaker 1: thing has always been it's an unproven thing for me.
Speaker 1: I can't say yay or nay, but that's what I
Speaker 1: tend to go to when people tell me those stories.
Speaker 1: I have my own experience with it. That's happened multiple times,
Speaker 1: and that was probably the most dramatic time that I
Speaker 1: can recall that I've had that experience. It turned out
Speaker 1: to be right. Had I walked up to that driver's
Speaker 1: side of that car, I don't know what would have happened.
Speaker 1: I may not even be here right now had I
Speaker 1: not listened to whatever that voice was. So I'm certainly
Speaker 1: glad I did. I just didn't attribute it to anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was an angel. I've had
Speaker 1: grandparents pass away. Was it one of them telling me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could have been. I just tend
Speaker 1: to think that I was listening to my own experience.
Speaker 1: Somehow my body was letting me know, don't do that, dude,
Speaker 1: do something different. Don't do what you've done a thousand
Speaker 1: times because you're probably not gonna make it. Just do
Speaker 1: something different. And I did, and here I am. But
Speaker 1: I think when you're into something like bigfoot or cryptids
Speaker 1: or even ghosts, people freak themselves out when they go
Speaker 1: ghost hunting and every little bump in the night becomes
Speaker 1: a ghost. I try to take that in say, okay,
Speaker 1: that's possible, but let's look at another angle here and
Speaker 1: see if it might be something other than mine.
Speaker 3: Speak the same way when it comes to stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned paranormal. I went on two different paranormal
Speaker 3: investigations in my life, and I left more disappointed because
Speaker 3: the people that I was with said everything was paranormal.
Speaker 3: One of the buildings we were in was from like
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty something, and so it was over one hundred
Speaker 3: years old. You know, the wiring's not the greatest, there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of other things. So every little noise they
Speaker 3: to hear, if they're meter jump for a little bel
Speaker 3: it's paranormal. Something's communicating with us. I was like, or
Speaker 3: it's just bad wiring like magnetism. Not everything is a ghost.
Speaker 3: Not everything's a spirit. So that really soured me on
Speaker 3: trying to go off on these investigations because I've always
Speaker 3: been skeptical. So for me, I'm always trying to write
Speaker 3: off everything I can rationally, and then if you can't
Speaker 3: write it off rationally or explain it, then you can say, Okay,
Speaker 3: then this is unexplainable. This might be paranormal. But when
Speaker 3: you go in there expecting everything to be a ghost,
Speaker 3: then you're just making everything ghost. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like you're not really doing a very good investigation.
Speaker 1: You'd be in a copy. You understand what I'm saying exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I had to do when I went into
Speaker 1: Radium because I was fully expecting to be hoaxed. I
Speaker 1: had called Todd I as a hoaxer for a couple
Speaker 1: of years on the show. I was expecting that I
Speaker 1: knew he wanted me to come up there. He had
Speaker 1: made no qualms about the fact that he wanted me
Speaker 1: to come up there and have some experience that I
Speaker 1: would then go back and talk about on my show
Speaker 1: because he knows I have a huge audience, and he
Speaker 1: knows that if people hear me giving the blessing for
Speaker 1: Todd and his expeditions, people are probably going to book
Speaker 1: those expeditions and put money in his pocket. Right, So
Speaker 1: I figured I just had this feeling that I was
Speaker 1: going to be hoaxed. Actually, I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: a couple of people right before I went. I think
Speaker 1: Doug Hichik might have been one of. I know, I
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Wayne, my co host on that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast, and they were like, dude, have you ever
Speaker 1: considered that You've always said I've meaning me. I've always
Speaker 1: said on the show. I believe that Todd has had
Speaker 1: experiences with bigfoot. I think he's probably seen a bigfoot
Speaker 1: at least a couple of times. But I don't believe
Speaker 1: his videos are real, and I don't believe ninety five
Speaker 1: percent of the shit that he puts forward as evidence
Speaker 1: is real. I've always been on that side of the fence.
Speaker 1: They said, have you ever considered that he might be
Speaker 1: having experiences in this area that you're going to What
Speaker 1: if you see one? What if you have experiences that
Speaker 1: aren't hoaxed? How are you going to process that? Are
Speaker 1: you going to be able to process that, so I
Speaker 1: really had to I called it a cleansing. I just
Speaker 1: had to cleanse my brain and go, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to put that out of my mind, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to go in with a clean slate and just say
Speaker 1: I'm going to take every experience that happens to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to process it in real time. I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a determination of where's Todd. Could I
Speaker 1: be hoaxed? If not, then what could it be. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what I did. And I tell you, man, we
Speaker 1: were eighteen miles deep in the woods. There was nobody
Speaker 1: out there besides us. Nobody. Most of the things that
Speaker 1: I experienced, Todd was either hundreds of miles away or
Speaker 1: he was sitting right next to me, and there was
Speaker 1: nobody else that could have been making the noises or
Speaker 1: doing the things that we were hearing, seeing and experiencing.
Speaker 1: There was a couple of times we had rocks and
Speaker 1: stuff thrown at us, and we went and woke tied up.
Speaker 1: He came back into the experience with us, and it continued.
Speaker 1: I can't explain that I didn't see a sasquatch throw
Speaker 1: rocks at me. I didn't see him vocalize I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything that would be definitive to say it was
Speaker 1: a big foot. Now, one of the guys that was
Speaker 1: there with me and just interviewed him, I actually just
Speaker 1: I think his interviews posting tomorrow, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: did say he came out at three o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning to hughes a bush and he's pretty sure he
Speaker 1: saw a sasquatch. And I did find what I believed
Speaker 1: to be where the thing was standing. I too, like you,
Speaker 1: are very skeptical about even my own experiences. I think
Speaker 1: we both agreed there's something to the phenomenon. People are
Speaker 1: experiencing something. The phenomenon is certainly real, and that's what
Speaker 1: keeps me coming back for more. Man, I just hopefully
Speaker 1: want to get to the bottom of it for myself.
Speaker 1: You said something very interesting earlier. You're not out to
Speaker 1: prove anything. I'm not necessarily out to prove anything to
Speaker 1: anybody else. I'm out there to prove it for myself.
Speaker 1: I want to prove one way or the other these
Speaker 1: things are real, and by proxy, the tens of thousands
Speaker 1: of people that listen to my show every week will
Speaker 1: then hopefully be on that ride with me if it
Speaker 1: eventually happens. But I honestly I think it's just going
Speaker 1: to take a body for me. I don't know. Short
Speaker 1: of that, if I could see maybe some ultra EIGHTK
Speaker 1: video that might be convincing, I just doubt that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I think it's going to take a body
Speaker 1: for me to be one convinced. I think the DNA
Speaker 1: stuff is interesting. I think we can figure out what
Speaker 1: something isn't. I don't think DNA is going to take
Speaker 1: it any further than that for me, So I think
Speaker 1: it's going to take that proverbial body man. In this case,
Speaker 1: it'd be a literal body to prove it for me.
Speaker 3: I'm the same way when it comes to DNA. If
Speaker 3: you don't have a specimen already, it's just going to
Speaker 3: come back as unknown. That's still not proving to anyone
Speaker 3: else that it's a big foot. Oh it's an unknown species. Okay,
Speaker 3: the big nine foot tall monkey man walking in the woods.
Speaker 3: Have trace evidence of that, But some people can say
Speaker 3: it's a little contaminated or whatever. There's always going to
Speaker 3: be skeptics when it comes to buying into a lot
Speaker 3: of the stuff. It's hard to do it unless, like
Speaker 3: you said, you have a body. I don't think the
Speaker 3: most hardcore skeptic is going to believe anything until mainstream
Speaker 3: comes out. We're like, Nope, there's a bigfoot, there's a corpse,
Speaker 3: and I have a strong inkling that I don't see
Speaker 3: that happening anytime soon, just my own experiences and walking
Speaker 3: with people and everything else. I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: that there's a worldwide government conspiracy covering up migfoot, but
Speaker 3: you would think if these things are real at some point,
Speaker 3: some of when it came across something. I work in
Speaker 3: the construction field. When I first started my job years ago,
Speaker 3: we were building a brand new highway, so we were
Speaker 3: going through the woods building a road, a four lane
Speaker 3: road that wasn't going through there, and that kind of
Speaker 3: put me in perspective about think about all the construction
Speaker 3: that goes on everywhere. A lot of forests get taken down,
Speaker 3: a lot of things get taken out, and you've never
Speaker 3: found this elephant. You've never found any sort of evidence.
Speaker 3: But some people they disturbed, they found grave sites, they
Speaker 3: found bones here. Oh job gets shut down, but you've
Speaker 3: never heard of them finding any sort of remains of
Speaker 3: a Sasquatch. Now I'm not saying it's not possible or
Speaker 3: hasn't happened, but why The big secret That's where I
Speaker 3: always scratched my head and packet is what is the purpose?
Speaker 3: What are they hiding? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never got into that big worldwide conspiracy. I've
Speaker 1: always joked that I worked for the government when I
Speaker 1: was a police officer, albeit it was a local government
Speaker 1: city of Atlanta. You would be surprised what they didn't know.
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks the government knows everything about everything. No, usually
Speaker 1: the left hand has no idea what the right hand's doing.
Speaker 1: One of them's usually corrupt, and the other one doesn't
Speaker 1: know about it. I don't think that there's even enough
Speaker 1: infrastructure for enough people to be involved in that, But
Speaker 1: I've heard stories. I've talked to people who have said
Speaker 1: they have seen forest rangers, for example, get called out
Speaker 1: on what people believe to be potential sasquatch footprints and
Speaker 1: they literally go, eh, that's a bear, and then they
Speaker 1: take their foot in rub across the go yeah, and
Speaker 1: destroy the evidence. I think that happens probably a lot,
Speaker 1: because for any myriad of reasons. Right, if you're a
Speaker 1: forest ranger, and you think that Bigfoot's going to be
Speaker 1: discovered in your area, you may be out of a
Speaker 1: job because people are going to stop coming to the
Speaker 1: park or whatever the case. You never know what people
Speaker 1: are going through or what their brains saying. But just
Speaker 1: in general, I don't think there's this huge cover up.
Speaker 1: If the government does know these things exist, they probably
Speaker 1: know way more about them than we will ever know.
Speaker 1: But that's probably the extent of it. I don't think
Speaker 1: they have one somewhere. I had some guy write an
Speaker 1: email when and I talked about it recently on that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast. He was like, when they find all the
Speaker 1: live sasquatch on the mountains, they take them to write
Speaker 1: Patterson Air Force.
Speaker 3: Base, everything goes here.
Speaker 1: Dude, how do you know that? Do you how many
Speaker 1: proof or you just you just watching too many documentaries?
Speaker 3: Come on, dude, that's where the Roswell craft was taken to, supposedly.
Speaker 1: Exactly, It's just buzzwords at this point, Like you have
Speaker 1: no proof for that, dude. Come on, I'm sure some
Speaker 1: of the Kennedy evidence is probably there too.
Speaker 3: Elvis is there, Yeah, Elvis.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hoffe is probably buried under Wright Patterson Air Force Base.
Speaker 1: I ain't come on, I need some evidence, man. People
Speaker 1: make these definitive statements. That's one of the things I
Speaker 1: get into all the time with people, anybody who makes
Speaker 1: a definitive statement concerning Bigfoot or really any cryptid or
Speaker 1: anything UFO related. If you start talking in definitives, like
Speaker 1: I know, I'm usually cutting you off. Dude, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation with you. I'm going to listen
Speaker 1: to you, but I'm probably gonna take anything you say
Speaker 1: with any seriousness after that, because nobody knows anything. Nobody
Speaker 1: knows anything definitively. It happens to me. I create. I
Speaker 1: use a lot of AI for images for the show,
Speaker 1: like making thumbnails and interesting things for people to look
Speaker 1: at during the episodes or whatever, and it never fails.
Speaker 1: Every time I put out any image of something that
Speaker 1: sasquatch related, I get emails or comments on social media. Oh,
Speaker 1: they don't look like that, their nose doesn't look like that.
Speaker 1: How do you know? How do you know what? Maybe
Speaker 1: my bigfoot looks different than yours. But it's just these
Speaker 1: definitives that people get into. If you talk in definitives,
Speaker 1: you're probably talking out of both sides of your mouth,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't have time for that.
Speaker 3: I've told my audience, I've been on other podcasts. I've
Speaker 3: said the same thing that anyone comes up and tells
Speaker 3: you they're an expert in cryptids or aliens or paranormal
Speaker 3: or whatever, take whatever they say with a grain of salt,
Speaker 3: because there are no experts, because no one really knows anything.
Speaker 3: Everyone has opinions, but there's no concrete evidence to prove
Speaker 3: that any of this stuff even exists, So how can
Speaker 3: someone be an expert in them.
Speaker 1: I've had people that have either advertised me as a
Speaker 1: speaker at their conference or just coming on their podcast,
Speaker 1: and they put anything expert next to my name. I say,
Speaker 1: please take that off. I don't want to be associated
Speaker 1: with that. Don't call me that. I don't even want
Speaker 1: it to be implied that I have said that about myself.
Speaker 1: There is no such thing as any type of an
Speaker 1: expert when he comes to cryptids, anything Bigfoot related. It's
Speaker 1: just not because again we don't know anything. They're experts
Speaker 1: in their fields. Doctor Jeff Meldrim is certainly an expert
Speaker 1: in locomotion, bipedal locomotion, anthropology, but not Bigfoot. Jeff is
Speaker 1: not a bigfoot expert some people. He's certainly been labeled
Speaker 1: at that, even to some degree, Cliff, he's very good.
Speaker 1: We were in Ohio a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: some guy had came fresh in from the field. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think he just interviewed him.
Speaker 1: I think Bobo and Cliff had them on Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bobo's podcast, Bigfoot and Beyond this past week. These guys
Speaker 1: came in fresh out of the field with some really
Speaker 1: cool casts, and I've got a video on my phone.
Speaker 1: I was video and Cliff as he was looking at
Speaker 1: these casts, he was fairly convinced that they looked real
Speaker 1: to him. I know Meldrim looked at him as well,
Speaker 1: and I think Jeff had some issues with something to
Speaker 1: do with the heel that looked a little off to him,
Speaker 1: So he wasn't exactly convinced that. I'm not saying Cliff was.
Speaker 1: I think he was skeptical, of course, but he was
Speaker 1: pretty convinced that they were cool looking tracks. I at
Speaker 1: least saw that. Matt Prut went over and took a
Speaker 1: look at him as well. He was pretty convinced by them,
Speaker 1: So Cliff is even one of those people that people
Speaker 1: have thrown the expert. But he'll tell you I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert on any Cliff Literally, I'll say, I don't
Speaker 1: even know. Why the hell anybody cares about what I say.
Speaker 1: He's just that guy. Why does anybody listen to me?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they do. I think there's some
Speaker 1: validity of that, because Cliff is one of those people
Speaker 1: I trust implicitly. I trust his opinion. He's the one
Speaker 1: who I found the first track on my property last year,
Speaker 1: last summer, when I gave him my phone and I
Speaker 1: let him look at the picture of I thought it
Speaker 1: was just a paradolia footprint. I took a picture of
Speaker 1: it because I thought it was interesting. But the more
Speaker 1: I looked at it in real life, I thought, this
Speaker 1: actually looks like a footprint. I see five toes and
Speaker 1: it looks like a sasquatch footprint in this little wet
Speaker 1: area of this creek that I had crossed over on
Speaker 1: my property. And Cliff looked at it the photo and he's, dude,
Speaker 1: that looks like, I say, squatch footprint. Did you cast it?
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I didn't cast it, of course not.
Speaker 1: But I've casted everything since then, just things like that.
Speaker 1: He's very good at what he does. He can tell
Speaker 1: a fake typically and he can tell what he believes
Speaker 1: is real. But at the end of the day, who
Speaker 1: really knows right? Do you have the body to compare
Speaker 1: it to It's difficult to say one way or the other.
Speaker 1: But he's definitely one of those people that I trust.
Speaker 1: I trust Jeff in his opinion. I've sent him some
Speaker 1: things and he's come back with some opinions on him
Speaker 1: in the past, and I certainly appreciate that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a bigfoot expert. I've written
Speaker 1: a book, I do a podcast, I've done speaking gigs.
Speaker 1: People see me and they think I'm an expert. No,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely not. I'm still learning and pushing my way
Speaker 1: through everything I do. I'm not even an expert podcaster.
Speaker 1: I'm okay at I'm not an expert.
Speaker 3: Cliff is actually someone I've been wanting to talk to
Speaker 3: for a while. He's on my list. I have a
Speaker 3: list of people that I want to reach out to,
Speaker 3: So Cliff's on there, Doctor Meldrum's on there. I have
Speaker 3: Ron Moorehead coming on next week, so looking forward talking
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 1: Ron's my neighbor man, He's not my next door neighbor.
Speaker 1: He moved to North Carolina I think last year or
Speaker 1: year before last, so he's a fellow North Carolinian now.
Speaker 1: Just a great person to get on the show. Cliff
Speaker 1: will probably not. He doesn't like to do his own podcast.
Speaker 1: I had to twist his arm to get him on
Speaker 1: my show, So good luck with that. But when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Todd Standing, I had to ask. The rumors
Speaker 1: are always thrown out there with Todd is his sister
Speaker 1: or whatever is a makeup effects artist or visual effects artist.
Speaker 1: When you were up there, did you happen to ever
Speaker 1: see this sister that he supposedly lives with. I know
Speaker 1: his sister, yes, and she is not but his ex
Speaker 1: wife is.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I know that literally, I always see it
Speaker 3: being tossed anytimes Todd's name comes up, everyone's Oh, his
Speaker 3: sister is in a special effect person from Hollywood and
Speaker 3: everything was made up from her. I was like, how
Speaker 3: do you guys know this? It's just as much the
Speaker 3: saying as Bigfoot is real or fake as they're making
Speaker 3: up a story about this guy's sister, Like, who has
Speaker 3: the evidence of any of that. They don't have any
Speaker 3: evidence that. I don't believe Todd's videos at all. When
Speaker 3: I first seen like laughed, like really, everyone was making
Speaker 3: such a big deal about the documentary. I thought it
Speaker 3: was boring when they see all the evidence or whatever.
Speaker 3: I was let down. But that kind of happens when
Speaker 3: it comes to the Crypti documentaries.
Speaker 1: I've noticed.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to know. I've heard people go up
Speaker 3: there and they claim they've met his sister, and he
Speaker 3: lives with his sister, and they're like, oh, she's not
Speaker 3: a special effects artist, so I didn't know if you'd
Speaker 3: actually had a chance to meet with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean Tale is not a special effects artist. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that his wife was like a Hollywood
Speaker 1: special effects artist. I think she was more like a
Speaker 1: hairdresser that did make up kind of thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know that anybody in his family or in his close
Speaker 1: circle is or wall in Hollywood special effects per se.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, man, I don't think they
Speaker 1: would have to be like you said, if you look
Speaker 1: at what you see there, I think a collective could
Speaker 1: easily put together that documentary. The last one I think
Speaker 1: he calls it caboda. This what looks like Todd crawling
Speaker 1: under a tree with black shoe polish on his face.
Speaker 1: That's not Hollywood special effects. That's black shoe polish on
Speaker 1: a dude's face, in my opinion, And stay tuned for
Speaker 1: more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 3: Everyone points out to the blinking eyeball on the one
Speaker 3: that's supposed to be the female. None of them even
Speaker 3: look the same, which I thought it was strange. They're
Speaker 3: all supposed to be a sasquatch, but every one of
Speaker 3: them looks different. The eyeballs look completely different than the
Speaker 3: one that winks. Is like, that looks so CGI to me.
Speaker 3: Todd doesn't have access to CGI. He would have no
Speaker 3: way of faking that. I was like, they literally have
Speaker 3: that type of shit on your phone these days.
Speaker 1: Todd is a very smart felt well, he is not dumb.
Speaker 1: I have put out hours of video and hours of
Speaker 1: audio from my trip up to radium with us sitting
Speaker 1: around the campfire talking. That was only a portion of
Speaker 1: the seven days of Todd that I got. He's not
Speaker 1: a dumbass. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is
Speaker 1: very convincing. He's very charismatic, and he is good at
Speaker 1: what he does. He is the best to used car
Speaker 1: salesman on the lot. He could sell every lemon that
Speaker 1: you ever had and make you think you were getting sweet,
Speaker 1: cool lemonade.
Speaker 3: He could take a different path in life instead of
Speaker 3: looking into Bigfoot. He could have become a cult leader
Speaker 3: because he has that charismaticness about himself.
Speaker 1: Tons of people emailed after I started putting out those
Speaker 1: I called him Campfire Sessions or whatever from my radium
Speaker 1: trip last year. Every time I would play one of those,
Speaker 1: people would just be so pissed off and I'd get
Speaker 1: they'd fire off the emails. Oh my god, he's such
Speaker 1: a cult leader, David. He's Jim Jones made over, And
Speaker 1: when you're in the moment, you don't really see it.
Speaker 1: With Todd because I got on great with Todd. He
Speaker 1: welcomed me. I had talked a whole bunch of shit
Speaker 1: about this dude on my show, Like I trashed him
Speaker 1: on my show, not disrespectfully, just saying I believe he's hoaxing.
Speaker 1: I believe his videos are hopes. I stepped out of
Speaker 1: the vehicle from the airport. Welcome to me. He gave
Speaker 1: me a hug, welcomed me into his house, fed me.
Speaker 1: Of course, in retrospect, I look back now and think
Speaker 1: he would have been stupid not to treat me that way,
Speaker 1: because ultimately, I think his long game was Brian's going
Speaker 1: to come up here, He's going to enjoy the trip,
Speaker 1: He's going to have some experiences. He's going to hopefully
Speaker 1: go back and tell his audience that he had a
Speaker 1: great time. That I am a great dude. That's going
Speaker 1: to be great for business. Again, He's not stupid. He's
Speaker 1: a good businessman. He's great at what he does. Bigfoot
Speaker 1: is his full time living. Make no qualms about it.
Speaker 3: How much does he charge per person to come up there?
Speaker 3: I heard as like a ridiculous amount.
Speaker 1: I have heard so many different thing. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: begin to tell you. I didn't go through that process,
Speaker 1: but I've heard it's upward of three thousand, thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1: I've heard four thou I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I heard recently someone said that he quoted them at
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars for a week.
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: I was like, if he just takes a few people
Speaker 3: out for the whole year, like it goes out a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the year. He's set for the
Speaker 3: rest of the year.
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I know they are booked almost
Speaker 1: solidly week after week through the entire season. I don't
Speaker 1: know when they start, but I was one of the
Speaker 1: last expeditions for that year. Last year, it was just me.
Speaker 1: Todd Ashley, his research partner and girlfriend was there. Kyle's
Speaker 1: been on the show a couple of times. Kyle does
Speaker 1: expeditions and helps Todd with the expeditions, and Kyle's dad
Speaker 1: was there. Sometimes there's three or four people on expedition
Speaker 1: at one time. This was basically just for me, so
Speaker 1: I got the full seven day experience without having all
Speaker 1: the other stuff and other people. But I know, so
Speaker 1: they had an expedition. I think he had a father
Speaker 1: and son out there the week after I left, and
Speaker 1: I think that was it for the year because it
Speaker 1: starts to snow and it just gets really cold. When
Speaker 1: you're eighteen miles back and you don't have any electricity
Speaker 1: or any of the comforts of home, it gets a
Speaker 1: little rough during that time of year, so they close
Speaker 1: things down. According to him, they do it for the Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: They give them that time to leave them alone, let
Speaker 1: them do their own thing, because they've gotten used to
Speaker 1: this rhythm of when the humans are going to be
Speaker 1: there kind of thing. So again, that's a very todd
Speaker 1: Is kind of thing. He's got an answer for everything
Speaker 1: when it comes to his research area and why people
Speaker 1: do what they do and why the Sasquatch do what
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's the type of person too. I
Speaker 3: can't speak on I know the guy because I've never
Speaker 3: spoke to before, but just from what I've listened to
Speaker 3: him on other shows and watched, I feel like he
Speaker 3: actually believes though everything of these says. I don't feel
Speaker 3: like he's being dishonest or he realized he's being disshonaged,
Speaker 3: if that makes any sense. Like I feel like what
Speaker 3: he's trying to do. I think he's actually genuine about
Speaker 3: what he's trying to do, but I think there's other
Speaker 3: methods that he's done that's not been so honest.
Speaker 1: I used to think the same thing are very similar
Speaker 1: to the same thing about Todd, but having gone on
Speaker 1: that trip and then having some of the things that
Speaker 1: have transpired between he and I since that trip, I
Speaker 1: no longer believe that I think that there are some
Speaker 1: parts of it that are true. I do at the core,
Speaker 1: I believe that Todd believe Sasquatch exists because I think
Speaker 1: he's had interactions and possibly even seen one. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: I think everything else is so much of a I
Speaker 1: don't know what the word maybe charade for him. It's
Speaker 1: a constant kid is a character. It's a exactly we
Speaker 1: said it at the same time character. He has developed,
Speaker 1: this character that has overtaken his life. It's literally his
Speaker 1: life all day, every day, all the time. And I
Speaker 1: think that has just become once you play that character.
Speaker 1: It's like any great character you think that's been on
Speaker 1: the air, that shows that's been on the air for
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years. Those actors, I guarantee you, in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form or fashion, even though that's just a
Speaker 1: job and it's just a character they play, would it
Speaker 1: be easy for them sometimes to just default to that character.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it would in real life. You just
Speaker 1: think about it. You play a character on television, you
Speaker 1: play Roseanne is Roseanne Barr partly Roseanne on the show
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Absolutely, I think that's what's happened with
Speaker 1: Todd in Bigfoot. I think Todd standing has become a
Speaker 1: character for him, and he just lives it, and he
Speaker 1: does live the life. He does live boots on the ground.
Speaker 1: I've seen this guy. We're sitting around the campfire and
Speaker 1: it's thirty degrees and I'm freezing, and he's sitting there
Speaker 1: barefoot in shorts. This dude is he's really boots on
Speaker 1: the ground. He knows that area. He's fit, He goes out,
Speaker 1: he does the hikes, does the thing right. But that's
Speaker 1: part of the character. I've gotten to the point where
Speaker 1: some of the things that have happened. We had a
Speaker 1: falling out over that whole debacle. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with it. I wasn't until somebody brought
Speaker 1: it to my attention. There's this big gondola up in
Speaker 1: Canadate that has fallen. A couple of times. Todd claimed
Speaker 1: that it was Bigfoot cutting the cable or smashing the
Speaker 1: cable and bringing down this gondola. It was the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: It's one of the weirdest things we've talked about on
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot podcast. I just got into an episode one
Speaker 1: day and I told Wayne, I said, Todd has just
Speaker 1: gone so far off the rails that he could have
Speaker 1: done some different things in the past, and I think
Speaker 1: his path would have taken a different turn, and he
Speaker 1: could be a different character in Bigfoot if he had
Speaker 1: chosen to go a different route. But every time he
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to come to the table and just
Speaker 1: have an honest, open conversation about reality, he drives us
Speaker 1: to Cookerville, and I'm just not ready to get in
Speaker 1: the car and go to Cookville with him anymore. Todd
Speaker 1: took offense to that and said, I'll called him a
Speaker 1: kook all me lots of bad names, and we don't
Speaker 1: talk anymore. That's just how I feel, man. I really
Speaker 1: do think he could be somebody who really helps push
Speaker 1: the research down the field. But I think he's just
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where he just goes through the
Speaker 1: motions and he plays this character over and over. He
Speaker 1: just does what he needs to do to get people
Speaker 1: up there for expeditions and make his living. I really
Speaker 1: fault the guy for that. He's made a living on YouTube.
Speaker 1: He's got with some like one hundred and twenty thousand
Speaker 1: followers on YouTube, and he posts clickbait titles with clickbait
Speaker 1: images and it's just Todd talking about the same thing
Speaker 1: that happened fifteen years ago, and people eat it up.
Speaker 1: Man and he has that gift to do that. And
Speaker 1: as long as he's going to continue to do that
Speaker 1: in the community at large continues to fall for that
Speaker 1: kind of crap, it's going to continue to happen. There's
Speaker 1: so many people that are in that same vein with Todd,
Speaker 1: doctor Matthew Johnson and other people we've talked about on
Speaker 1: the show that just perpetuate this craziness, and people fall
Speaker 1: for it. They hook line and sinker believe everything these
Speaker 1: people say. It really hurts the other researchers out there
Speaker 1: who are trying to do the right thing the right way.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, and that's one of the reasons we
Speaker 1: started that Bigfoot podcast was to talk about some with
Speaker 1: us people and call them out. There's very few people
Speaker 1: doing that in the community. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot Police, but I can express my opinion. The
Speaker 1: show's become very popular. I can tell you that we're
Speaker 1: about fifty episodes in at this point, and people are
Speaker 1: eating it up. They love that kind of dialogue. I
Speaker 1: think it's something that's been missing in the community for
Speaker 1: such a long time. As when we see a paradol
Speaker 1: a picture, we call it out and say it's trees
Speaker 1: and leaves. Move on, right.
Speaker 3: That's my biggest struggle is when people send me stuff
Speaker 3: that I don't see it. Like literally, I see a
Speaker 3: red circle on a bunch of blurry leaves and they'll, oh,
Speaker 3: you don't see the face, no, Like, I just believe
Speaker 3: I could see where the shape of the leaves could
Speaker 3: be contorted to to a weird looking face, But to me,
Speaker 3: that's not a face. That's my biggest struggle when it
Speaker 3: comes to all these cryptid photos, not just Bigfoot, but
Speaker 3: like anytime you see a photo, they're usually blurry, and
Speaker 3: the ones that are super clear, they're instantly wrote offs
Speaker 3: AI now or fake. And I think that's what's going
Speaker 3: to be hard for anyone now to try and prove things.
Speaker 3: Even if you were to actually catch cuffle on Bigfoot walking,
Speaker 3: no one's going to believe it these days because they're
Speaker 3: going to say it's AI because that's the reality we
Speaker 3: live in at this point.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because so many people like Todd and others
Speaker 1: have laid the foundation for the hoaxing, and now as
Speaker 1: the tools get better for people to hoax, it's just
Speaker 1: going to continue to get worse and worse. But we
Speaker 1: continue to do it, man, We're going to continue to
Speaker 1: call people out. It's gotten to the point where I
Speaker 1: have to be careful who I bring on the show.
Speaker 1: It's happened to me a couple of times with people
Speaker 1: who recognize the popularity of the show and they want
Speaker 1: to make a name from the sales, and they've had
Speaker 1: an encounter and they want to come on and share
Speaker 1: their encounter and then lo and beholdsde airs and the
Speaker 1: next thing I see on social media they've started their
Speaker 1: own Facebook group. They're now going to become a podcaster.
Speaker 1: They've started a YouTube channel. They're doing a documentary. It's
Speaker 1: all based on their encounter story that they shared on
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Odyssey.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that do that.
Speaker 1: And they're sharing paradolia pictures in their groups. Wayne literally
Speaker 1: texted me a couple right before I got on with
Speaker 1: you tonight. There's one person in particular who is just
Speaker 1: continuously posting pictures of trees and claiming it's dog Man
Speaker 1: and he's been chased by dog Man and chased by bigfoot.
Speaker 1: He's scared. He was going to leave research for a
Speaker 1: while because he just couldn't handle it, just perpetuating this
Speaker 1: bullshit narrative, and I'm over it. I don't like to
Speaker 1: call people out like I'll call Todd out because Todd
Speaker 1: makes a living at this, He's a big personality. I
Speaker 1: don't tend to call out just Joshmoe hoaxures or Joshmoe
Speaker 1: Paradolia guys. But it's getting to a point where if
Speaker 1: you're going to use my platform as a jumping off
Speaker 1: point or a springboard for this stuff, if you continue
Speaker 1: to do it long enough and you start selling T
Speaker 1: shirts and hats, which funny enough, this guy's starting to do,
Speaker 1: you're starting to make a little bit of money off
Speaker 1: of it. I'm probably going to have to burst the bubble, dude,
Speaker 1: because it's just paradolia, that's it. And I'm really out
Speaker 1: a point where I don't know if this guy is
Speaker 1: delusional and he really believes it like the tide thing
Speaker 1: you said earlier. I'm still on the fence, but I
Speaker 1: don't know how you could believe that, because if you're
Speaker 1: telling the story and saying, yeah, I saw him he's
Speaker 1: right there. He said, yeah, that's a dog man. You
Speaker 1: got to know that's a tree. Dude. There's something in
Speaker 1: me that says, you probably know that's a tree, and
Speaker 1: you're just trying to pass it off as something else.
Speaker 1: And these people are eating it up. They're swallowing the
Speaker 1: hook line and sinker. Maybe that show's coming on that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent and positive up. I know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about, and I will talk to you about it
Speaker 3: off air, because when you started talking, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think I was thinking of the same exact person right
Speaker 3: when you started talking about it before you mentioned some
Speaker 3: of the things that I have a feeling it over
Speaker 3: this who this is? Person is so and it's sad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but there is so many people that do that. And
Speaker 3: then I don't know, I get hesitant about some of
Speaker 3: the guests that I've had out here. There was someone
Speaker 3: that reached out to me yesterday. I told them that
Speaker 3: I would be willing to do an interview, but then
Speaker 3: I started seeing the stuff that they were sending me,
Speaker 3: and I'm very hesitant. I don't want to speak on
Speaker 3: it on air o case they're listening, But like, I
Speaker 3: don't see some of the things that they're seeing, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how to go about not selling like
Speaker 3: a dick, but like, I don't see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I can buy into and keep an open mind, but
Speaker 3: I don't see anything here. If the whole interview is
Speaker 3: based off of what you're finding, Kenzy's photos don't show
Speaker 3: me anything. So if I'm not going to believe it,
Speaker 3: why should a listener listen to it? If someone suffers
Speaker 3: from a mental illness, I'm not going to put them
Speaker 3: on air just because I need an episode. That's not
Speaker 3: how I go about it. If you'd have something wrong
Speaker 3: and you're literally seeing monsters and photos and I just
Speaker 3: see trees, either I'm blind to it or there's something
Speaker 3: else going on, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 3: don't know how to navigate the waters. It's always tricky
Speaker 3: for me to try and pick and choose so I
Speaker 3: have on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've dealt with that so many times, and I've
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where I just tell people that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I say. I don't see what you're seeing.
Speaker 1: If I can't see what you're seeing, then I'm not
Speaker 1: confident moving forward with an interview based on what you're
Speaker 1: saying that you're seeing that I don't see, because if
Speaker 1: I can't see it, the majority of my audience is
Speaker 1: probably not going to be able to see it. So
Speaker 1: there's not really a story there for them to connect to.
Speaker 1: And that's just how I handle it. But I get
Speaker 1: that it's rare because I usually get that on the
Speaker 1: tail end unless somebody is really pushing evidence, and I
Speaker 1: get it beforehand, like you've obviously gotten. It's one thing,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people that'll come afterwards. It happens
Speaker 1: with a lot of habituation situations that I've had people
Speaker 1: on the show about, and it's means that those are
Speaker 1: the worst because these people. I interviewed a lady it's
Speaker 1: probably beginning of this year. Late last year. She came
Speaker 1: on the show and said she had been interacting with
Speaker 1: this clan a big foot around her house for decades
Speaker 1: and she moves to another state, and part of the
Speaker 1: clan followed her to another state, like seven hundred miles away.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I let her tell her story.
Speaker 1: She keeps talking about photos, and she keeps talking about
Speaker 1: all these situations, and I finally said to her during
Speaker 1: the interview, I said, you must have some amazing photo
Speaker 1: and video evidence. If you've been interacting with the clan
Speaker 1: of Sasquatch this closely to the point where they're bringing
Speaker 1: their babies and toddlers and leaving them into your backyard
Speaker 1: so you can quote babysit them, You've got to have
Speaker 1: some amazing photographs. Oh absolutely, yeah, I've got tons of photographs.
Speaker 1: I'd love to send them to you. Oh please do.
Speaker 1: I'll post those up on the block on the website
Speaker 1: for you guys that are listening to check out the
Speaker 1: next day. Nothing but leaves, trees, sticks, and blobsquatches. It's
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever, and it happened so many times.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed several people that have claimed to have what
Speaker 1: you would consider a habituation situation with Sasquatch, and it's
Speaker 1: never failed. No evidence whatsoever that is convincing to me
Speaker 1: other than stick's leaves and trees and what looks like
Speaker 1: pitiful examples of paradulia. Again, the stories are so compelling,
Speaker 1: they're so convincing, and these people seem to really believe
Speaker 1: what they're telling me. And I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I literally had a conversation with a lady it hasn't
Speaker 1: aired yet. I did this months ago. I've probably been
Speaker 1: sitting on this interview for three four months, maybe even longer.
Speaker 1: This lady was telling me she takes photos of Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and she's trying to convince me that you have to
Speaker 1: train yourself to see the Bigfoot in the photos, because
Speaker 1: they don't show themselves to just anybody. You have to
Speaker 1: be ready to see them. You have to be willing
Speaker 1: to see them, and you have to be open minded
Speaker 1: enough to see them. I don't know what you do
Speaker 1: with that. You're explaining an enigma wrapped in a mystery,
Speaker 1: poked inside another enigma. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1: You can't explain things that way. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I can send you these photos, but you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to see them. They're right there, but you're not
Speaker 1: going to see them.
Speaker 3: I've literally had someone just within the last few days
Speaker 3: send me something basically gave me the ultimatum that if
Speaker 3: I don't see what they're seeing, I'm in on the
Speaker 3: cover up. By being in on the cover up, I
Speaker 3: work with a trafficking a ball. I was like, what
Speaker 3: I haven't even acknowledged at this point, how do you
Speaker 3: follow that if you don't see what I'm seeing, you're
Speaker 3: a child trafficker. What That's just straight up insane shit.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, man, It's a crazy world. But that's why
Speaker 1: I keep coming back here we are.
Speaker 3: I started this because I wanted to find answers, and
Speaker 3: instead of fin answer and I've just come away with
Speaker 3: more questions. The further I go down the rabbit hole,
Speaker 3: the more and more nothing makes any sense.
Speaker 1: We're in the same boat, rowing in the same river,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 3: Well, haven't really talked much about your book. I fear
Speaker 3: been gone here about an hour and a half and
Speaker 3: wrap this up here soon. But I want to give
Speaker 3: you a chance to talk about your book whatever else
Speaker 3: it is you want to talk about before you go
Speaker 3: off here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be quick about the book. The book is
Speaker 1: a little bit about my experience. I start with my
Speaker 1: experience when I was a kid. I talk about some
Speaker 1: of the stories that I grew up hearing in the
Speaker 1: North Georgia Mountains, and I go into a lot about
Speaker 1: bigfoot and pop culture. There's an entire chapter on bigfoot
Speaker 1: and pop culture. What that means. I get into the
Speaker 1: scientific method, I break down evidence. I talk a lot
Speaker 1: about evidence, because a lot of people say skeptics. We've
Speaker 1: talked about my skeptical side. I'm certainly one of those
Speaker 1: people that you got to show me the evidence. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who say that there isn't
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence for Bigfoot. There actually is. Just
Speaker 1: go on the anecdotal stories and look at those. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of physical evidence. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things out there. If you dig deep enough, you'll find it.
Speaker 1: So I do a chapter on evidence, breaking down what
Speaker 1: evidence actually is. I think I named the chapter can
Speaker 1: we convict Sasquatch in a court of law? I've joked
Speaker 1: about that on the show before. If Sasquatch were in
Speaker 1: a court of law on trial for being real or not,
Speaker 1: I think we would have probably been able to convict
Speaker 1: them based on just criminal statutes alone, by a jury.
Speaker 1: Going to the scientific method, you talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about the bodies and why they're not found. I do
Speaker 1: a chapter on where the bodies and talk about the
Speaker 1: fossil record. Less than one percent of our entire fossil
Speaker 1: record is actually there and complete, because it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to produce a fossil. So I go into the science
Speaker 1: of fossilization. I know that sounds really compelling for a
Speaker 1: lot of people who are probably waiting to read that
Speaker 1: with baited breath. It sounds boring, but it's really not.
Speaker 1: I try to make it as interesting as possible, and
Speaker 1: I talk about some of the behaviors that are known
Speaker 1: for primeates that could be something that Sasquatch employees to
Speaker 1: hide in play in sight, why they're so stealthy. I
Speaker 1: try to explain that sort of scientifically, and it's not
Speaker 1: this woo thing that the biggest fastest they disappear, those
Speaker 1: kind of things. I go into known primate behavior and
Speaker 1: kind of break that down and compare it to what
Speaker 1: Sasquatch could be doing. I talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: human population growth and wilderness loss and how that could
Speaker 1: affect Sasquatch, and I talk about some of the wo
Speaker 1: the high strangeness. I get into some of the habituation
Speaker 1: situations that I've talked to people about and some of
Speaker 1: the other more popular ones and what I think about those.
Speaker 1: And I just talk about our fascination with monsters, cryptids,
Speaker 1: our escapism in the modern world, and how that affects
Speaker 1: how the bigfoot phenomenon plays out. For a lot of us.
Speaker 1: Then I close out talking about the truth behind the legend,
Speaker 1: and I've talked about it before. This is not really
Speaker 1: a spoiler alert. People have reached out to me the
Speaker 1: Coalition for Critical Thinking group on Facebook. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of jahoo's in there that don't believe in Bigfoot, and
Speaker 1: they give me shit all the time for my showing.
Speaker 3: I've experienced that so far.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great dudes in there. They're not
Speaker 1: all bad, like Stephen, the guy who started the group,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty well known in Bigfoot. I've had Stephen
Speaker 1: on my show. He's the grumpy guy in Bigfoot that
Speaker 1: doesn't believe anything. Steven's asked me when was Sasquatch ever leashed?
Speaker 1: And what's the truth behind the legend? How did you
Speaker 1: find that out? Honestly, for me and everybody else, the
Speaker 1: truth is what you choose to believe. We've talked about
Speaker 1: that all night. Is Your truth is different from mine.
Speaker 1: My truth is different from yours, and somebody else's truth
Speaker 1: may be even different from both of ours. But the
Speaker 1: truth really is what you choose to believe about the legend.
Speaker 1: Whence you put all the information together and hopefully that's
Speaker 1: what you do in the book is it leads you
Speaker 1: to the point where you have enough information to draw
Speaker 1: your own truth based on what I've talked about in
Speaker 1: the book and maybe what you've possibly heard on my
Speaker 1: show or some of the other shows, and what other
Speaker 1: people had to say. But the truth behind the legend
Speaker 1: really is what we believe it is. It's different for everybody.
Speaker 1: So that's where I wanted the book to end for people.
Speaker 1: And people have already asked me if I go to
Speaker 1: write another book, I can tell you not like that.
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen like that. I may do
Speaker 1: some sort of an encounter's book at some point, because
Speaker 1: I've amassed so many encounters, like I'm i think four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty Sumid episodes into Sasquatch out to See
Speaker 1: at this point, So there's a ton of encounter stories there,
Speaker 1: and people have shared that I may eventually put into
Speaker 1: book form for people that are interested in it, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's definitely not something i'm working on.
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of speaking stuff coming up and
Speaker 1: a lot of travel. I'm going to the UK in July,
Speaker 1: man I'm speaking at a conference over there as a
Speaker 1: headliner me Jeff Meldrum. They've got quite a few people
Speaker 1: lined up for that, So a lot of travel coming up,
Speaker 1: which I enjoy. I love getting out and meeting people.
Speaker 1: I've been out selling the book. We hung out in
Speaker 1: Ohio a couple of weeks ago with Cliff Meil Drum
Speaker 1: and Matt Prewitt was there. They had a great line up.
Speaker 1: Mark Jorworth does a fantastic the Fantastic conference. If you
Speaker 1: guys have never experienced the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, it was
Speaker 1: definitely on my bucket list and I got to check
Speaker 1: that off. Invited me to come out and hang out
Speaker 1: with him, and we signed books and sold a bunch
Speaker 1: of books that day. So if you guys get a
Speaker 1: chance to check it out, you should definitely do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the book man. You can get it anywhere you want.
Speaker 1: Amazon is the go to place for everybody. It's on
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, anywhere you find books. You can get
Speaker 1: it on Candle, you can buy it directly from Hanger
Speaker 1: One Publishing. Doug Hichecking, those guys, his sons Alex and
Speaker 1: Blaine run the publication company that published the book, and
Speaker 1: you can get it on our website, Panormworld Productions dot com.
Speaker 1: There's a store button at the top of the page.
Speaker 1: We've still got a couple of copies that I brought
Speaker 1: back from Ohio that are signed by Cliff. I think
Speaker 1: we've got three of those left at this point. They'll
Speaker 1: probably be gone way before this airs, but we sell
Speaker 1: autograph copies of the book directly from our website. That's
Speaker 1: the only place you can get an autograph copy from
Speaker 1: me or see me in person at some of the
Speaker 1: events we have coming up.
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the Indiana Bigfoot Conference that's happening.
Speaker 3: I'm from Indiana. In September, they're doing the first annual
Speaker 3: Indiana Bigfoot Conference. Slab and booth set up for that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard anything about it, because
Speaker 3: I don't know how much advertisement's been done for yet.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of that one. Now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's down in Nashville, Indiana. It's on the twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: the twenty eighth of September. Nashal a pretty big hotspot
Speaker 3: here around Indiana for sasquatch sighting. So the Indiana Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Research Organization, I believe is what they're called, is putting
Speaker 3: the Ie interviewed the Guy. This episode came out last week,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to be a vendor for that, and
Speaker 3: then there's a couple other ones. I'm actually going to
Speaker 3: be doing some stuff at too. There's one up in
Speaker 3: Michigan too, Bigfoots and Bruis and Spirits too, so that's
Speaker 3: happening up there. So there's a few of them. I'm
Speaker 3: going to be at two. That's the one thing I've
Speaker 3: started to look into more is I would like to
Speaker 3: go to some of these events just to try and
Speaker 3: meet with people, maybe find some new guests, and help
Speaker 3: get the word out about the podcast too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great place to do that. I'm actually
Speaker 1: you said September twenty seventh and twenty eighth. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: the headline speaker at the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference on
Speaker 1: the twenty seventh and twenty eighth of September, and we're
Speaker 1: actually doing a camp afterwards. I'm going to be camping
Speaker 1: out for a couple of days after the event with
Speaker 1: some of the other conference goers, so I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that. It's the first time I've been to Missouri
Speaker 1: and hung out, so I don't know, it should be interesting.
Speaker 3: I never thought there was a sasquatch type of creature
Speaker 3: living around here in Indiana with everything I see around
Speaker 3: here it's just cornfields. But apparently there's been quite a
Speaker 3: few sightings around here, especially down in the southern part.
Speaker 3: I'm more in the northern part of Indiana, so the
Speaker 3: teams down south towards them starts to get mountaining hilly
Speaker 3: in activity, which again a few years ago, I would
Speaker 3: have never thought anything about it. I've been doing the
Speaker 3: podcast for two years and it's pretty much opened my
Speaker 3: eyes to a lot of the weird stuff that's apparently
Speaker 3: going on all around us.
Speaker 1: Hey, bigfoot lights, corn man, everybody's corn, right.
Speaker 3: There's more in corn in Indiana's the saying. So I
Speaker 3: guess now we know what some of that more is there.
Speaker 3: You go, Brians, been a pleasure talking with you. You
Speaker 3: want to let the audience know one more time where
Speaker 3: they can find your podcast, what's it called, and what's
Speaker 3: your book called? And everything else. We can wrap this
Speaker 3: one up, yeah, man.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Odyssey is the flagship show for Paranormal World productions.
Speaker 1: You can get Sasquatch Odyssey, Paranormal Odyssey, that Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 1: I do a show called Backwoods Horror Stories. It's where
Speaker 1: I narrate really cool bigfoot stories, dog man stories, lots
Speaker 1: of other weird stories that people submit. We cultivate some
Speaker 1: of those from some of the BFRO and some of
Speaker 1: the other places out there. We get them from all over,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are submitted via email. So
Speaker 1: Sasquatch odysseye Paranormal Odyssey, Backwoods Horror Stories, that Bigfoot podcast,
Speaker 1: and I also do a true crime podcast called True
Speaker 1: Crime Odyssey. You can find that anywhere you listen to
Speaker 1: this show, any podcast app that's out there, you can
Speaker 1: find those shows. All you got to do is search
Speaker 1: them and they will pop up. You got tons of
Speaker 1: catching up to do. There's tons of episodes out there
Speaker 1: to catch up on. So we'd love to have you.
Speaker 3: I'll make sure to thinkclude links in my show notes
Speaker 3: for anyone out there listening. Brian, it's been a pleasure
Speaker 3: talking with you. You were one of the ones that
Speaker 3: the podcast people that I've had on my list. Like
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