Speaker 1: It's Nights with Dan Ray on Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everyone.
Speaker 3: This is been the story that has dominated the nightly
Speaker 3: newscast for the last couple of nights. And this is
Speaker 3: now whenever there's a scandal in Washington, the powers that
Speaker 3: be like to put the word.
Speaker 2: Gate after it. You know, Watergate is the first one,
Speaker 2: is the Watergate apartment buildings that that took ended the
Speaker 2: Nixon presidency. But Hillary Gate all of these and so
Speaker 2: now we have signal Gate. And for those of you
Speaker 2: that know about this, the United States attacked the Hootie
Speaker 2: revels uh in Yemen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Those bad boys have been raising havoc with the shipping
Speaker 2: lanes in UH in that part of the world, not
Speaker 2: only firing on US naval vessels but also firing on
Speaker 2: commercial vessels and really spent a problem. So the United
Speaker 2: States hit the hoody militia stationed in Yemen, and they
Speaker 2: are proxies of Iran, make no mistake about that, and
Speaker 2: they got hit pretty hard. I got to check my calendar.
Speaker 2: It was Saturday, March fifteenth, and so there was a
Speaker 2: a phone conversation between about a dozen, maybe as many
Speaker 2: as eighteen, members of the Trump administration. I think all
Speaker 2: of you pretty much know what I'm talking about. The
Speaker 2: Democrats are appalled because somehow someway and it's still really
Speaker 2: not known how it happened. But the editor in chief
Speaker 2: of The Atlantic magazine, which is no fan of Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: fellow eddim of Jeff Jeffrey Goldberg, was able, was somehow
Speaker 2: looped into the call. So it would be like if
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you had a funny looking phone
Speaker 2: number that popped up. Funny looking phone numbers pop up
Speaker 2: on my phone all the time. I'm sure they do
Speaker 2: on yours as well, and all of a sudden, you say,
Speaker 2: WHOA listen to this, I w A. I'm on a
Speaker 2: conference call here. Jeff Goldberg was smart enough, as a
Speaker 2: seasoned journalist just to listen and take notes. And I
Speaker 2: guess that there was also a print out associated with it.
Speaker 2: How all of that technically worked, I'm not sure, But
Speaker 2: now The New York Times has published a print out
Speaker 2: with comments of its staff of exactly what was said
Speaker 2: was that it's an official it's a transcript that The
Speaker 2: Times has published, and the blame has been assumed by
Speaker 2: one of the members of the Trump administration, Michael Waltz,
Speaker 2: the National Security Advisor, but that was not good enough
Speaker 2: for some of the White House Press Corpts today, who
Speaker 2: continued to talk to the President about this and also
Speaker 2: to the Press Secretary, Caroline Levitt. So we're going to
Speaker 2: go through all of this, and I want to hear
Speaker 2: from you now. There are some that are saying, look,
Speaker 2: this deserves a really thorough federal investigation. There are others
Speaker 2: who are saying, hey, it's a mistake. The Trump administration
Speaker 2: has admitted it was a mistake, but they're basically saying
Speaker 2: no harm, no foul, that the raid went as scheduled.
Speaker 2: All of the planes that bombed the Hoodie rebels returned
Speaker 2: safely to their either their their bases or to the
Speaker 2: to the carriers that they were on, and that court.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they have an after action report
Speaker 2: from the ground yet as to who was killed or whatever,
Speaker 2: and whether or not they were very important members of
Speaker 2: the Hoodie leadership who were killed. But I'd like to
Speaker 2: hear from you. I think the Trump administration this is first,
Speaker 2: really the first mistake or mishap, embarrassment. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you would characterize it. Of the of the administration
Speaker 2: they've been there now for well, let's see a little
Speaker 2: more than two months. Two months, uh, and so far
Speaker 2: it's been I mean, this has been controversy, but this
Speaker 2: is the first one that I think there can be
Speaker 2: legitimate criticism. So I want to know where you're standing
Speaker 2: on this. Are you appalled by this? I mean, shouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened this way? I mean, there has to be
Speaker 2: an investigation to find out why of all people's phone
Speaker 2: numbers were added to this conference call. Happened to be
Speaker 2: the editor in chief of The Atlantic, a publication which
Speaker 2: is not particularly empathetic or sympathetic to Donald Trump, and
Speaker 2: the editor in chief broke the story on Monday, which
Speaker 2: was the day before there was a Senate and then
Speaker 2: a House hearing from the intelligence leaders in this country,
Speaker 2: the head of Homeland Security FBI, the National Security Advisor,
Speaker 2: a couple of big military generals. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: The Trump administration, I think should get ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve and they should say, look, this was a mistake
Speaker 2: and it's not going to happen again. We are going
Speaker 2: to find out how it happened. I mean, can you
Speaker 2: imagine you're sitting at home some day in the phone rings,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you say, that's Donald Trump's voice.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's Marco Rubios. I'm listening. I'm part
Speaker 2: of a White House meeting. Your instinct would be to,
Speaker 2: you know, call your wife or a loved one, you know, Hey, Martha,
Speaker 2: come on, guess what we got on the phone. I mean, now,
Speaker 2: no damage. Every military personnel returned. Whatever damage was inflicted
Speaker 2: was inflicted on the hoodies. Today there was a story
Speaker 2: out of Lithuania that there are four US Army personnel missing.
Speaker 2: They were on some sort of exercise in Lithuania and
Speaker 2: the tank that they were driving apparently was found in
Speaker 2: a body of water. Sounded like it was found in
Speaker 2: a lake of some sort, with no sign of the
Speaker 2: four soldiers. Now again, I haven't checked the news since
Speaker 2: this afternoon, this evening, I should say, so that's one
Speaker 2: that I'd be really worried about what happened to these soldiers.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're out there as part of a NATO
Speaker 2: exercise and they were looking from group some vehicle which
Speaker 2: had broken down. So anyway, I'm just gonna open up
Speaker 2: the phone lines as they did last night. This is
Speaker 2: one that I want to hear your point of view
Speaker 2: on it. I mean, I can't wait for the first
Speaker 2: Democrat who's going to say this is an impeachable offense.
Speaker 2: Even though Donald Trump had nothing to do with it,
Speaker 2: he was not on the call. There will be some Democrat,
Speaker 2: probably the crazy guy from Houston, who will decide that
Speaker 2: he or maybe the new one there Justin Crockett, the
Speaker 2: one that made the horrible joke about the governor of
Speaker 2: Texas who is paralyzed and lives life in a wheelchair. Apparently,
Speaker 2: I believe, was hit incidentally by a branch while he
Speaker 2: was out jogging one day, and she called him governor
Speaker 2: hot wheels or something like that. Can you imagine if
Speaker 2: there was some Republican member of the House or the
Speaker 2: Senate who used a term like that, you'd never hear
Speaker 2: the end of it. I haven't seen that on the
Speaker 2: network newscasts at all, but I've seen what she said
Speaker 2: in the way in which she said it. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four thirty. Those lines are full, The lines that are
Speaker 2: open six seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. We got
Speaker 2: to take a quick break, and right after the break,
Speaker 2: we'll go to phone calls.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So my understanding, just to clarify this and this, I've
Speaker 2: never been on a signal call, but my understanding, it's
Speaker 2: like a conference phone call. However, there's a print out.
Speaker 2: So for example, when people call me uh and leave
Speaker 2: me a voicemail at WBZ, I get a out of that.
Speaker 2: So if you call me and say, Hi, Dan, this
Speaker 2: is Joe from Plymouth. I'd like to talk to you
Speaker 2: about a story idea. Here's my number. Can you give
Speaker 2: me a call. Not only can I hear the conversation
Speaker 2: or the message, but I see it and the same
Speaker 2: way here. So for example, you have on this is
Speaker 2: now on the Let me get the right date here
Speaker 2: where am I going? He this is Friday, morch March fourteenth,
Speaker 2: the day before they have a conversation about it. And
Speaker 2: then on Saturday, March fifteenth, this is East coast time,
Speaker 2: just before noontime. And Pete hesketh hesketh hegxath. You try
Speaker 2: to say that ten times quickly. He's the Department of
Speaker 2: He's the Secretary of Defense. He writes, whether's favorable? Just
Speaker 2: confirmed with sentcom. We're a go. From Mission launch twelve
Speaker 2: to fifteen F eighteen's launch first strike Package thirteen forty
Speaker 2: five trigger based F eighteen first strike window starts target
Speaker 2: terrorist is at his known location and should be on time.
Speaker 2: Apparently the guy was there at a hotel with his
Speaker 2: girlfriend and he no longer is with us. He was
Speaker 2: one of the leaders that was taken out. So we
Speaker 2: had people on the ground. I mean we you know,
Speaker 2: was some there was some serious stuff going on here
Speaker 2: as I understand it. Okay, now again none of this
Speaker 2: was compromised, but there was a reporter listening to it.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness that he showed the good judgment of not
Speaker 2: releasing it. He has released it now after after there
Speaker 2: was some questions back and forth yesterday.
Speaker 4: So this.
Speaker 2: You can read it, you can look at it at
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen jd Vance. I'll say a prayer for victory.
Speaker 2: Mike Waltz chimes in building collapse had multiple positive ID.
Speaker 2: This was the guy who never should have gone on
Speaker 2: that lunch date. And I think that there was the
Speaker 2: CIA operative whose name was mentioned, but he was not
Speaker 2: an undercover agent there. Somehow he was the person who
Speaker 2: the information was fed to first target, their top missile guy.
Speaker 2: We had positive ID on him. Walking into his girlfriend's
Speaker 2: building and it's now collapsed. That was at two o'clock
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Vice president of Vance A tool one says excellent.
Speaker 2: John Ratcliffe, the D and I director, says a good start.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the bottom line is this is the deal, Okay.
Speaker 2: The administration's position is, hey, we ran a great operation.
Speaker 2: No harm, no foul. There was no harm. Now, if
Speaker 2: a plane had been shot down or something, that's a
Speaker 2: whole different story. If there were POWs, a different story.
Speaker 2: Learn from it. Don't use this signal app again, find
Speaker 2: a more secure you were uh signal to use. Let's
Speaker 2: go Philip in Dorchester. Phillip, you're gonna start us off.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead, Philip.
Speaker 5: All right, Dan, pleasure to talk to you, right at you.
Speaker 5: I'm a little surprised because you you seem to be
Speaker 5: almost light hearted about it. I mean, there was no skiff,
Speaker 5: there was no video, there was no security check. Besides
Speaker 5: has gets said, oh we're all good here or something.
Speaker 5: There's no archive of it. There was no there was
Speaker 5: They didn't want to do any favors for Europe. There
Speaker 5: was a transactional production for them.
Speaker 2: Well hold on, hold on, if they could stop you
Speaker 2: there for just for a second. Okay, the the amount
Speaker 2: of commercial uh ship traffic that has been attacked by
Speaker 2: the hooties. Uh, there's much more of that ship traffic
Speaker 2: that goes to Europe. I don't have the numbers in
Speaker 2: front of me, but we have some of our commercial
Speaker 2: shipping that goes through the Red Sea and then up
Speaker 2: to the Suez Canal. But it's much more substantial for Europe.
Speaker 2: And some of the conversations that you're referring to are
Speaker 2: very accurate and if I can find them here, just
Speaker 2: I want to back you up, uh, he says, let
Speaker 2: me see the Uh well, let me let me grab
Speaker 2: a spot here, uh, Vance says, uh to Headsketh HeiG Seth.
Speaker 2: If you think we should go, do it. Let's go.
Speaker 2: I just Hailey hate bailing Europe out again. The New
Speaker 2: York Times makes mention of the fact that the idea
Speaker 2: of Europe not pulling its weight on military matters has
Speaker 2: been a frequent theme of the Trump administration, including during
Speaker 2: mister Vance and mister Hegset's February visits to Europe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean so so yeah they talked here and this
Speaker 2: got out, but the mission apparently was accomplished. I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be lighthearted about it, but glad that we
Speaker 2: hit the hooties. I assume you are, well, I hope.
Speaker 6: I know very little about it.
Speaker 5: I know the Suez Canal.
Speaker 4: Is very important, and if it's more important.
Speaker 5: Than Europe, why wasn't Europe involved?
Speaker 2: And they don't have the capacity. They don't have the capability, just.
Speaker 5: As as someone else on the line, so that they
Speaker 5: could weigh in on the US action, you know, to
Speaker 5: do it in coordination with our allies, like we've done
Speaker 5: for eighty hundred years.
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is, here's the problem. Okay, from a
Speaker 2: security point of view, they made it. As you probably know.
Speaker 2: These hoodies who are you know, terrorists, rebels, radicals, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call them. They're backed by Iran. There's
Speaker 2: a war going on between in effect, the proxy war
Speaker 2: between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the Hoodies have been
Speaker 2: firing rockets and missiles into Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: has been returning fire. We're on the side of Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia in that contest. In the meantime, the Hoodi rebels
Speaker 2: have been hitting or trying to hit US naval vessels
Speaker 2: I think one hundred and sixty four navy ships which
Speaker 2: patrol that area have been attacked, and there's another significant
Speaker 2: number of commercial vessels that have been attacked. If we
Speaker 2: were to tell Europe we're going to hit the Hooti
Speaker 2: rebels on Saturday March fifteenth, and we had to bring
Speaker 2: somebody from you know, some of the governments in on
Speaker 2: Europe and it we will have lost control of the
Speaker 2: secrecy of this. I don't think that we could have
Speaker 2: done it that way. I really, as nice as it
Speaker 2: would sound, but we're doing an operation in the Middle
Speaker 2: East that may benefit Europe. But there's no need to
Speaker 2: have Europe in on this because it's only going to
Speaker 2: benefit Europe. It's not like we're hitting some some vessels
Speaker 2: that are German vessels. We're hitting the Hootie rebels who
Speaker 2: are attacking these these European ships as they go through
Speaker 2: the Red Sea.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, no one seemed to be too concerned
Speaker 5: about security. I mean, Witcoff was in Russia on a
Speaker 5: personal phone and everything in Russia. When you were in Russia,
Speaker 5: did everything you have the phone.
Speaker 2: Didn't have the phone turned on. According to Whitcoff, assuming
Speaker 2: the guy tells the truth didn't have the phone turned
Speaker 2: turned on. Look, all of this stuff is hacked. I'm
Speaker 2: apparently this this signal app and I'm not an expert
Speaker 2: in it. Phil, you may know more about it than
Speaker 2: I do. I know what it means. I know what
Speaker 2: a zoom call is. You ever been in a zoom call? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So you're sitting there in front of your your your
Speaker 2: your your laptop or your desktop, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden a bunch of other people pop up. You can
Speaker 2: see them, they can see you. I don't think this
Speaker 2: was like a zoom call. I think this was some
Speaker 2: sort of encrypted app where they were either talking to
Speaker 2: or sending messages back and forth. They thought it was secure.
Speaker 2: Some knucklehead allowed the guy from the magazine in The Atlantic,
Speaker 2: The Atlantic Monthly, to be incorporated into the call. It
Speaker 2: would bit like of all of a sudden, you or
Speaker 2: I were incorporated in the call. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 5: He didn't believe it was true until the bombs dropped
Speaker 5: right at the moment they had said, and then he
Speaker 5: said it was real.
Speaker 4: It was real.
Speaker 2: But he's a journalist. He figured it. Maybe he figured
Speaker 2: someone was pranking him or something. I don't know. We will. Uh.
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is it was a successful mission.
Speaker 2: The Hoodies are bad guys. Uh. There their operatives of Iran.
Speaker 2: We're sending a message to the Hoodies and sending a
Speaker 2: message to Iran. I think it was a brilliant military action.
Speaker 2: We didn't lose anything. We didn't lose any one. We
Speaker 2: didn't lose a plane, we didn't lose pilots. It went
Speaker 2: like clockwork. Other than the fact that that that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Goldberg who did nothing about it. To his credit, he didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, jump on CNN or MSNBC and say the
Speaker 2: Hoodies are about to get hit. He kept it to himself.
Speaker 2: What would you have? What would you what would you
Speaker 2: like to see happen? Let me, let me I've talked
Speaker 2: too much in this conversation. What would you like to
Speaker 2: see happen? Philm What should hell?
Speaker 4: I'd like to see a return to uh.
Speaker 5: You know, liberty, justice, the American way.
Speaker 2: You know this, so we could restore restore let's overturn
Speaker 2: the election and restore Biden to the White House. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're saying?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Well.
Speaker 2: Donald trumk got elected, Donald Trump got elected in November.
Speaker 2: We got to deal with it.
Speaker 5: It was no easy way for anybody to get into
Speaker 5: the country, so they found all the ways to get
Speaker 5: in and now their criminals that. I got to bring
Speaker 5: up one more thing, Dan, if I.
Speaker 2: Can, sure you can't. But that's a totally different topic.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, I don't. I just want to
Speaker 2: make it clear you're raising a totally different topic. It's
Speaker 2: a related topic, but it's a different topic. But go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 5: Okay, you play a PSA, do you get paid? Does
Speaker 5: BZ get paid for playing PSAs.
Speaker 2: A public service announcement?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: No, public service announcement is different from a commercial. Just
Speaker 2: sort to make sure we're everybody know, well, just make
Speaker 2: sure we know we're talking.
Speaker 5: About two mornings. I have been sick by the public
Speaker 5: service announcement that plays of what's her.
Speaker 2: Name, Christian you're talking about Christy? Yeah, Yes, she's the director,
Speaker 2: the director of Homeland Security telling people to self deport.
Speaker 2: And I think this is the one you're talking about.
Speaker 2: And if they do choose to self deport, at some
Speaker 2: point they might have a chance to come back legally.
Speaker 2: If they choose not to self deport and they are
Speaker 2: deported by Ice, they will be forever barred from coming
Speaker 2: into the country.
Speaker 5: Now you think they they are undocumented immigrants in this country.
Speaker 2: Igrants, undocumented immigrants, migrants, whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 5: Yep, right right, And she is frightening them, frighting them.
Speaker 2: She's telling them no reason, she's giving them some advice.
Speaker 2: Let's assume that you and I were here with our family,
Speaker 2: and we were here illegally, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the Trump administration was finding people who were here illegally,
Speaker 2: and maybe we're okay, We've never done anything really bad
Speaker 2: other than coming in illegally. At some point I might
Speaker 2: say to you, hey, Phil, why don't we go back home.
Speaker 2: Let's get the heck out of here before they find us,
Speaker 2: and maybe someday we or our kids can come back successfully.
Speaker 2: I think that's the message she was trying to get out.
Speaker 5: It's coming right out to two hundred Venezuelans who we
Speaker 5: still don't know their names. We don't know what they
Speaker 5: did except that they were Venezuelan and somebody thought they
Speaker 5: were a member of a gang.
Speaker 2: They are members of it. They are clearly members of
Speaker 2: You know that?
Speaker 4: How do we know that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Have you? Have you looked at the tattoos? We don't.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that we do you think that they
Speaker 2: just that they're just picking up I'm serious when I
Speaker 2: ask you this. Do you think they're just saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go pick up some Venezuelans. I mean, do you
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 5: Think I don't know what they're doing, but I know
Speaker 5: that they do it under the cloak of darkness, and
Speaker 5: they use deadly force way too offhandedly.
Speaker 2: No one is wrong.
Speaker 5: I don't blame everybody.
Speaker 2: Else, Phil, Phil, look, because you're a good caller, I'm
Speaker 2: giving you plenty of room. But they don't use they
Speaker 2: don't use deadly force. There's no to the best of
Speaker 2: my knowledge, there's no illegal immigrant who has been killed
Speaker 2: by an ICE officer since Trump became president. They use force,
Speaker 2: yes they do, but again that's the story for another night. Phil.
Speaker 2: Let's we went a long time here, and it was
Speaker 2: an interesting call. We come a lot of ground.
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, all right, thanks than there's a lot of
Speaker 5: ground to cover.
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm here five nights a week, four
Speaker 2: hours a night. You were welcome anytime, thanks Phil.
Speaker 4: All Right.
Speaker 6: I'm a busy guy.
Speaker 5: I usually only get to listen to you for like
Speaker 5: twenty minutes a night, So tonight I was all worked up.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you called because I wish you'd call
Speaker 2: more often. Thanks, have a great night, good night, taking
Speaker 2: a break. Here comes the news back right after.
Speaker 1: That night side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: By the way, let me make it clear as I'm
Speaker 2: learning with this as you are, and one of the
Speaker 2: calls is called off here. This is not like a
Speaker 2: zoom call that these people are on. This is not
Speaker 2: a conference or anything like that. This is sort of
Speaker 2: an ongoing chat. So on their phone, they're looking at
Speaker 2: comments that one another is each other is making, and
Speaker 2: there's a timeline on it. So when heg Seth basically
Speaker 2: writes at eleven forty four on Saturday morning, team update,
Speaker 2: it's now at eleven forty four. It's it's dark in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. Okay, it's night in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: There's six hours or seven hours ahead of us. So
Speaker 2: heg Seth writes, Team update, time now eleven forty four,
Speaker 2: weather favorable. Just confirmed with Sencom. We're a go for
Speaker 2: mission launch twelve fifteen Eastern time. F eighteen's launch first
Speaker 2: Strike Package thirteen forty five trigger based F eighteen. First
Speaker 2: strike window starts. Target terrorist is at his known location,
Speaker 2: so should be on time. Also, strike drones launch fourteen
Speaker 2: ten more fteen's launch second strike package fourteen to fifteen
Speaker 2: strike drones on target. This is when the first bombs
Speaker 2: will definitely drop, pending earlier trigger based targets. Fifteen thirty six,
Speaker 2: which would be three thirty six F eighteen second strike starts.
Speaker 2: Also first sea based Tomahawk missiles. They hit these guys
Speaker 2: with a lot of different ordinance. More to follow per timeline.
Speaker 2: We're currently clean on OPSEC, meaning Operation security. Godspeed to
Speaker 2: our warriors. That's hegsat at eleven forty four. Half an
Speaker 2: hour later, at twelve thirteen, Vice President Vance says, I
Speaker 2: will say a prayer for victory. An hour and a
Speaker 2: half later, Mike Walls, the National Security Director, building collapse.
Speaker 2: VP building collapsed, had multiple positive id the IC amazing job.
Speaker 2: Vance responds. What Walt says, typing too fast. The first
Speaker 2: target their top missile guy. We had positive idea in
Speaker 2: him walking into his girlfriend's building and it's now collapsed.
Speaker 2: That was at two pm, Vance responds, excellent. Thirty five
Speaker 2: minutes later, John Ratcliffe says, a good start. So this
Speaker 2: is and it's it's a it's an ongoing text chat.
Speaker 2: So so that's where we are. Okay, Uh and uh,
Speaker 2: there was there was a moment in time where the
Speaker 2: the editor in chief of Atlantic Monthly or magazine realizes
Speaker 2: I'm listening to this in real time. Let's get back
Speaker 2: to the calls. I'm going to try to move pick
Speaker 2: people more quickly. I had a long conversation with Phil.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to just listen Matt and Brighton.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Matt, how we're doing. Then all right, I'm
Speaker 7: going to try and do this quick. A couple of
Speaker 7: comments and then an open end the question. Sure, here
Speaker 7: we go. All right, I know the signal pretty well
Speaker 7: kind of as you said. It is a messaging app.
Speaker 7: It's encrypted with a certain level of encryption that is
Speaker 7: more secure than text messaging, et cetera. You can message
Speaker 7: one on one, you could do a video call, you
Speaker 7: can do most of what texting could do. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 7: straight up, no matter what who these needed to be hid,
Speaker 7: they need to continue to be hit. It didn't take
Speaker 7: away anything from being hit from our country. Europe has
Speaker 7: the lack of structure and the lack of capability if
Speaker 7: you will, because Europe is not a country, it's a
Speaker 7: series of countries. And what we did essentially, and the
Speaker 7: timeline that you put out with the timeline that Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to mispronounce his name. But second, you know.
Speaker 2: Pete heg Seth hes yep.
Speaker 7: Right, okay, exactly so where he put that out based
Speaker 7: off the time you know, a twenty four hours you
Speaker 7: know time zone layer and what I I'm going to
Speaker 7: go on a limb here. I have a feeling that somebody,
Speaker 7: my son conspiracy might be wrong. Somebody put Goldberg into
Speaker 7: that chat. It was eighteen people in there.
Speaker 2: He is, I don't buy it. I don't buy it,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why I don't buy it. Matt.
Speaker 2: First of all, I think that forensically they can figure
Speaker 2: it out. I think that Goldberg was added, you're going
Speaker 2: to find out by an aid to Mike Waltz. Again,
Speaker 2: heg Seth set it up. Uh. He convened the meeting,
Speaker 2: he invited people, and I think that Waltz, an aid
Speaker 2: for Waltz, made a mistake. I don't think it was intentional.
Speaker 2: Why would they invite a guy who's a critical editor
Speaker 2: in chief doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7: Okay, you make you make a point. My answer to
Speaker 7: that is that there's not a great answer. But if
Speaker 7: it was not Walls or him, it would be something
Speaker 7: of a monetary Okay, I'm just gonna put it there.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that's just.
Speaker 2: Mind.
Speaker 5: Let's something were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's let's move away from because there's nothing.
Speaker 2: It's you're you're speculating on it, and that's not moving
Speaker 2: a story for absolutely.
Speaker 7: And my only point is that he was very smart
Speaker 7: not have infiltrated our country by dismantling that information early.
Speaker 7: My question to you, as I said, I was going
Speaker 7: to ask at the beginning, do you think, and it's
Speaker 7: it's really a question. I'm not at all staying it
Speaker 7: in the speculatory way. Do you think that it was
Speaker 7: known that that person habit information prior to it being
Speaker 7: Do you think the signal, you know, dismantling and basically
Speaker 7: was known prior to when we all found out.
Speaker 2: No, I think we found out when he broke the story.
Speaker 2: I think we found out when Goldberg broke the story
Speaker 2: in Monday. I'm sure Goldberg talked to his editors, but
Speaker 2: I think he found out on we found out from
Speaker 2: him on Monday. I think that the raid was effectuated,
Speaker 2: was achieved on Saturday, March fifteenth, and it took until
Speaker 2: Monday the twenty fourth, So that's nine days before Goldberg
Speaker 2: broke the story. He broke the story the day before.
Speaker 2: The US security chiefs, including the FBI director, the head
Speaker 2: of Homeland Security, and a couple of generals, as well
Speaker 2: as Radcliffe, the CIA Director, appeared before the Senate on
Speaker 2: Tuesday and the House today. Those were pre scheduled hearings.
Speaker 7: That's been that I know, and I'll finish from this note.
Speaker 7: When my feeling is is what should happen, is that
Speaker 7: there there needs to be I believe it. Look I stand.
Speaker 7: I am a stark conservative and best independent, but I
Speaker 7: stand strong on the equality of culpability. When we make
Speaker 7: a mistake. We made a mistake, Mike Walls made it,
Speaker 7: somebody made it own it. But when we look at
Speaker 7: the difference between Hillary, Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go there, Mike. I don't want
Speaker 2: to go there because I'm on my brain. I'm up
Speaker 2: to my break. You made a lot of sense and
Speaker 2: you were pretty quick, so I appreciate it. Okay, I
Speaker 2: gotta keep more man, I really do. Thanks Matt. Not
Speaker 2: all right, we'll talk soon. Coming back on night Side
Speaker 2: right after this break only line six one seven two.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: I know you folks are trying. I know some of
Speaker 2: you have waited for a long time. But please let's
Speaker 2: help us out and let's move quickly here. Okay, if
Speaker 2: I can, I'll try to keep quiet and listen to
Speaker 2: what you want to tell me. Kevin and Waltham next,
Speaker 2: Kevin on Nightside, go right ahead.
Speaker 4: Hi, Dan, I think you might mean Ken in Waltham.
Speaker 2: Yes that it says Kevin. But Ken and Waltham. Thank
Speaker 2: you for doing that for me. Okay, thank you, Ken,
Speaker 2: go right ahead.
Speaker 4: So you know you've brought up part of some of
Speaker 4: the discussion, which is no harm, no foul, that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. Because the mission was a success, I think
Speaker 4: there has been harm. My concern I you know, I
Speaker 4: had the honor of flying with the Air Force pilots
Speaker 4: for about ten years, and they have to work with
Speaker 4: a lot of precision and concentration, particularly when they're carrying
Speaker 4: out mission missions. And my concern is in the future
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, they've got to be focused on
Speaker 4: their mission, and I just hate to think any of them,
Speaker 4: in the back of their mind are saying, gee, maybe
Speaker 4: this time, you know, Walt invited his rushing counterpart instead
Speaker 4: of Jeff Goldberg, and somehow the enemy knows that we're coming.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that. First of all, as you
Speaker 2: probably know, Walsh has a pretty distinguished military background. He
Speaker 2: would be the last guy that I would suspect of
Speaker 2: something like that. I think that his AID. I think
Speaker 2: it'll be to be proven forensically that the AID made
Speaker 2: a mistake and he looked at, you know, a phone file,
Speaker 2: and instead of putting on someone who he intended to,
Speaker 2: he he misstated the number and Luke Goldberger. I think
Speaker 2: that's the mistake. I can't prove that, but I certainly
Speaker 2: don't think Wall said to his AID, hey, let guts
Speaker 2: get you know, the guy from Atlantic.
Speaker 4: Monthly on him. And I'm not suggesting if I spoke
Speaker 4: that way, I didn't mean to suggest that. I believe
Speaker 4: this is a total accident and nobody wanted Jeff Goldberg
Speaker 4: on the call. But but it's but I know the
Speaker 4: signal is not. I mean, this is why you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it was on Tuesday where all the testimony was
Speaker 4: nothing classified was brought forth on this because this is
Speaker 4: not a viable platform to have these discussions.
Speaker 2: Well my understanding, and I could be wrong here that
Speaker 2: this signal platform has been used only by this administration,
Speaker 2: but by the Biden administration. Now if I'm wrong on that, fine,
Speaker 2: If the Trump switched from something that was more secure
Speaker 2: to signal, well that was a big mistake and they
Speaker 2: should be called out on it. But I again, you're good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, you asked Phil what
Speaker 4: he you know, what do you want to see go forward?
Speaker 4: I would like to see an investigation or some sort
Speaker 4: of analysis go forward where these kind of mistakes can't
Speaker 4: happen and where our pilots yeah right, and that our
Speaker 4: pilots feel that our administration are focused on classification. I
Speaker 4: had a security you know, uh, security clearance for forty years.
Speaker 4: I mean, between Hillary and our servers, Trump and the
Speaker 4: documents in mar Largo, Biden and all of his documents
Speaker 4: that he had in his I mean, I just can't
Speaker 4: believe how lax our administrations have been, you know, our
Speaker 4: people in power.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I think that's a legitimate point,
Speaker 2: but I don't want a point and say that you
Speaker 2: know who was worse, you know, tru Up in mar
Speaker 2: A Lago or Biden with with with the garage and
Speaker 2: the corvette in the corvette. The fact of the matter
Speaker 2: is all this stuff needs to be tightened up.
Speaker 4: And thank god, that's my damn that that is that
Speaker 4: is my point. Then we're together right right, And I
Speaker 4: just want our military people to believe that that we're
Speaker 4: going forward in a way to tighten things up, because
Speaker 4: I don't know. I wish we could talk to some pilots.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: This administration has some young military guys and positions of
Speaker 2: incredible power. Haig Seth Veteran certainly the vice president of
Speaker 2: Marine who served UH in the Middle East. Waltz, I
Speaker 2: believe special forces. So you know, if those guys don't
Speaker 2: have you back, then I don't know who's going to
Speaker 2: have you back. Ken Let me run. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. Okay, keep calling the show. Okay, next up,
Speaker 2: very quickly, Joe and Revere. Joe, you're next on nights side.
Speaker 2: Give it your best shot.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Joe, darl how are you? But never mind, Okay,
Speaker 8: what are they using when they're texting to each other
Speaker 8: these higher ups in the government. Are they using AOL?
Speaker 8: Are they using Microsoft Messenger?
Speaker 2: No? I think they're using some sort of they And
Speaker 2: again I'm not good on this, Joe. They're using an
Speaker 2: app which is called Signals, so they would have they
Speaker 2: they said this is the most secure app. Obviously when
Speaker 2: you make a mistake and put someone.
Speaker 8: On the and says, nobody wantitors it, Dan and says
Speaker 8: that like this is going to report it, don't send
Speaker 8: it to him. I mean, you know, I'm just asking
Speaker 8: what they're using for communication.
Speaker 2: I answered you, John, I saw car.
Speaker 8: I mean you we use all right, Dan, I'm just saying, like, no.
Speaker 2: You asked me what it was, and I'm telling you
Speaker 2: they have an app. You know what an app is, uh,
Speaker 2: And it's an app that's called Signals. And they inadvert
Speaker 2: they either they I believe inadvertently someone made a mistake
Speaker 2: and put some individual on there who should have been
Speaker 2: on there. If they put my phone number on there
Speaker 2: or your phone number, it was a mistake. Oh god, Okay,
Speaker 2: they happened to put a guy on They didn't put
Speaker 2: a media person. If they had put a media person
Speaker 2: on who was friendly to Trump. I would say they Dad,
Speaker 2: wasn't a mistake they put They put, you know, some
Speaker 2: media person who would be able to say, oh, I
Speaker 2: was on the line and I was listening, and they
Speaker 2: were perfect. They put somebody on who has been critical, critical,
Speaker 2: and even more critical of Donald Trump. Why would they
Speaker 2: do that intentionally?
Speaker 8: Well, that should be more monitored.
Speaker 2: Dan, you know I agree with you. I agree with you. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks Joe, good points, appreciate that. Thank you. Have a
Speaker 2: great night. I'm gonna try to get Paul. Paul. I
Speaker 2: will hold you over. If you can't finish your your
Speaker 2: your comments. Go ahead. We only got about a minute
Speaker 2: left in this hour, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks Dan, Dan, I just want to offer this hypothesis.
Speaker 6: Military messages, when they send them out, they they might
Speaker 6: put the uh, for instance, the commander of the Atlantic
Speaker 6: area of the coast guy they simply call it Atlantic.
Speaker 6: So possibly you're gonna have a high ranking military official
Speaker 6: like that that might be involved in this uh this conversation.
Speaker 6: And maybe they just inadvertently whatever this app was, contacted
Speaker 6: the newspaper man instead of instead of the admiral who
Speaker 6: was charge of the Atlantic area. So that's just my hypothesis.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's true, it's pretty sloppy. Oh, it's like
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, it's like Alex Cora trying to have
Speaker 2: a conversation with the Red Sox general manager Craig Breslow,
Speaker 2: and he's talking to some guy who knows nothing about baseball.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is a mistake. Okay, I don't
Speaker 2: see it any other way. It should never happen again.
Speaker 2: Thank god, there was no foul. There was there was
Speaker 2: a foul, but no harm. That's all I'm trying to argue.
Speaker 6: I could see that happening with these new apps.
Speaker 2: You know me too. I don't understand him. I'm with
Speaker 2: you on that, fill with you on that. But I
Speaker 2: think about apps. I think about appetizers.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks Paul, we got you and appreciated. I'll let you
Speaker 2: go all right with those on the line, Mark and Peter,
Speaker 2: you stay there, if not, light up the rest of
Speaker 2: the lines, we'll be back right after eleven o'clock news.
Speaker 2: I won't know what you think. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: not Watergate, folks. I hate to tell you that, but
Speaker 2: the Democrats see it a little differently, and if you
Speaker 2: have seen it differently, call me up. We will take
Speaker 2: all coming