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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Molly,

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let's just jump into it. The story is a few

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days old, but I was really upset about it. I mean,

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for obvious reasons, but for maybe deeper reasons as well.

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The murder of two people called them diplomats, but they

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were two workers at the Israeli Embassy by a leftist

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from whose name Michelle Goun mentioned here by me from Chicago.

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The victims were Jaroleshinsky, a German born Evangelical Christian, and

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his American girlfriend, whose name was Sarah Milgrim. They were

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murdered in front of the Capital Jewish Museum. I felt like,

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sooner or later I knew this was going to happen,

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and I don't think it's the last time it's going

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to happen. When you create a blood libel, which I

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think a lot of these people believe about Israelis, and

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then many of them Jewish people, and you support terrorist

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groups that come as people in your movement are sooner

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or later going to engage in terrorism themselves. And that's

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what happened.

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Speaker 2: Well I was. It happened as I was flying to

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Poland to visit Holocaust sites, and so frequently we think

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of terrorism and things like this as mostly occurring in

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other countries, and it's just horrific to see it happening

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not just in our country but in the city where

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I live. And all the details that have come out

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about it are also horrifying, I mean sometimes a little contradictory,

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so I don't know exactly what happened, but claims that

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he mingled with people beforehand, or mingled with people after

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he committed the crimes, that he was so proud of

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himself for murdering two innocent people, that he's an American

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born and raised individual who learned to hate to the

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point of murder. Here, it's just sickening and awful, and

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at the same time it's not the most surprising. As

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you said, we have been dealing with a lot of

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people acting like this is justified. This type of behavior

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is justified, the type of political vallence is justified. And

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also I think the language about the war between Israel

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and Hamas has been so wrong, like the way that

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people talk about it as if Israelis are held to

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a different standard on war than like every other country

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on Earth, which is getting really disgusting even to talk

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about their war plans as genocide when you know, just

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kind of need to say it again. Hamas attacked Israel

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on October seventh. They killed twelve hundred Israelis. They did

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it at a time of a peace fire. Israel has

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responded by attempting to eradicate Hamas. Hamas, which is, you know,

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not like they have free elections there, but is the

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generally supported political group in Gaza has been engaged in

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horrific behavior, including like not letting their people leave. Other

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regions probably should be doing a much better job of

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allowing other regions that border, like Egypt, should be allowing

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Gazans to go in there, particularly given the rhetoric of

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Egypt and other neighboring countries about the situation. But it

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just showed to me, it does show how important it is.

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War is awful and evil. What's happening to Palestinians, including

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innocent Palestinians who are basically trapped by the evil Hamas.

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I mean, it's horrible and you want more to end,

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which is why there should be a lot more pressure

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on Hamas to unconditionally surrender return all hostages and hostage bodies.

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And you know that's just not happening. Sorry, I'm kind

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of rambling, but it's just so upsetting.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, the talk of genocide in Israel,

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or that Israel's perpetuating a genocide against Poustin people is nonsense.

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But I just want to give you an example of

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the kind of blood libel I'm talking about. A few

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days before the shooting, NBC News reported, without a hint

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of skepticism, a United Nations report that said fourteen thousand

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babies were going to die in Gaza from starvation in

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a forty eight hour period. This is NBC News. They

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took someone's word, the UN and they put it up

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two days fourteen thousand babies. Any editor, any reporter with

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a brain, would know that sounds really implausible, right, you know,

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let's look into this further. No, they just printed it

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because in this situation you can print anything you want

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about Israel in this sense. Anyway, it turned out it

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was untrue. The UN retracted the claim. The report that

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came out said that fourteen thousand cases of malnutrition and

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children in general, not just babies, may happen over a

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year's time if aid did not reach Palestinians, which surely

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it would. And this is the kind of this is mainstream.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: It's not even like all these people online who say

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crazy things are just not just this, but report anything

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the Hamas says about death tolls. Now, I'm not saying

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there aren't innocent people who die in this war.

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Speaker 3: There are.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible like Hamas in their death tolls make no

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distinction between fighters, Hamas fighters and civilians, you know what

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Speaker 2: Because they embed their fighters in the civilian population because

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they apparently hate their civilians, point that they don't care

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if they get killed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sinoar, I mean the former head of Hamasu's now dead,

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said that we have them right where we want them

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because of these deaths, because fellow West, you know, fellow

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travelers in the West will use this. They martyr their

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people on purpose. And the next Sinoar who was running it,

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another guy named Mohamed Sinwar was killed very recently in

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a tunnel under a hospital or right next to a hospital.

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So it's very difficult for Israel now. I think they've

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made a ton of mistakes. They should have wrapped this

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up a long time ago. They should have gone full boar.

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I mean, maybe Biden stopped them, but no, you know,

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I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But

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obviously it's been six hundred some days since October seven,

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twenty twenty three, and they're still at it. Can't go

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on forever this way, But yeah, I mean when this happened,

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I just saw to myself the Intifada is coming here

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like there was BLM. Those rye were the most expensive

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in history. All many of those people just latched onto

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this new cause they know nothing. I'm sure if I

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went down to one of these protests and spoke to

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these people, they would know nothing about the history or

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situation in any real debt, you know, depth it's just

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oh white. You know, a white colony has you know,

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oppressed dark skin. You know, everything's identitarian. Everything is stupid.

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Everything is pushed and like into this mold in this

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argument that they make. So sooner or later, there's going

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to be some unhitched people who engage in real violence

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like this, I mean, this is this is assassination of

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two people in the streets of DC.

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Speaker 2: Hold on on the identity thing. I was thinking about this,

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like America really is unique in having an identity based

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on something other than like the most narrow ethnic claim right,

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Like from the very beginning, even if we were all

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mostly almost you know, like really beginning would be like

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all white Europeans, it was still people from a few

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different areas or countries, and it grows quickly to being

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just something where people are coming to escape religious persecution

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or otherwise. And all these other countries, including Israel, are

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very like identity focused. And you mentioned BLM, which is

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a very big identity focused movement, which seemed at odds,

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which is at odds with the American understanding of individuals

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and more and more, it just seems like we're in

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this collision course between identity and other values, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: Or no, Yeah, I mean people, you know, critics of Israel,

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real critics of Israel like an ethno state, Like it's

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a problematic because it's ethno state. Now, first of all,

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Israel is very diverse in other ways, and including their

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religious population to some extent, but every state's in ethno

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national state other than the United States. As you mentioned,

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like Germans make up, there's a German language, it's a

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German country. Yeah, you might let others in, but it's

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very difficult for others to become German. But here, yeah,

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we are allowed, you know. We There is an American

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identity and it's built on ideas, but it's also built

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on the land and the country and the people. But yeah,

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anyone could become an American if they accept embrace those ideas.

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I don't feel like and this will I think segueus

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into the next thing that a lot of young not

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young people, but a lot of the left, some of

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the right don't really feel that way about America anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, also maybe it's like we've I was saying

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about this with regard to what happened with the fifty

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nine South African farmers who are facing a very targeted

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killing effort in South Africa and they're getting disposed of

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their land and stuff, and so fifty nine farmers came

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to this country and it was so weird to see,

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like they come, they're waving American flags, They're very grateful

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that we're taking them in because of the situation that

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they're in in South Africa, and the Left like lost

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its mind over this. They were so upset that South

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Africans might be considered refugees when clearly they fit every

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definition of a refugee. And then I can't remember if

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it was Trump or someone else who was saying something

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about how they a group like these white South African

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farmers will assimilate very well into the United States and

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it's so obviously true, and people got really mad about that,

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like just language wise, culture wise, just like general values wise,

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it's clearly true. And then you realize, like, oh, the

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Left has not been caring at all about assimilation, Like

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they don't care about the cultural values held by people

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from different parts of the world and how well that

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that will work in like a small town in Ohio

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or Nebraska. They just haven't cared about it at all.

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we down play that we do have a strong culture

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here with strong values that forms like an ethnicity of

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a kind. It's just not based on skin color.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, I mean Europe has this problem. They

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invited a bunch of mostly Islamic refugees. You'll notice, of

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course that the Syrian refugees, we had this deep responsibility

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to bring them here and bring them there. But Palestinian refugees,

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they must stay in Gaza forever, you know, as a

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cunjul ince Israel.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so can I talk a little bit about Poland,

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even though in my turn, so Mark and I went

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to Poland and visited Treblinka and Mydonic and Auschwitz and

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the scene of the Warsaw uprising and Lublin, and it

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was a really heavy trip, but we but we also

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were just traveling. We're traveling by vehicle through Poland and

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staying in places. And it was really interesting because it's

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so close to Germany and in so many ways has

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a very similar feel as Germany, but as much smaller population,

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and it does not seem to have been welcoming immigrants

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other than Ukrainians to the country like it you could

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just like look around and see like this is not

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a heavy immigrant entry population and related it was crazy

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how cohesive the culture was, how everyone was just generally

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like following the same rules, generally respectful, It was clean,

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it was it was just really interesting. I see the

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cover of the economists this week, and this week has Poland.

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It's like Poland rising or something like that because they're

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about to have a higher GDP than Japan or something.

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Speaker 1: I I haven't read that capita per capita, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, per capita, and I don't know. It was just

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it was it was interesting to see a country that

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world or Africa. Like I saw one covered woman the

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entire time I was there, and where I live, you know,

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you see women in full dress, full coverage.

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Speaker 1: Eastern European countries are less open to that kind of immigration,

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you know, including Hungary, which is the central European country.

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But like I wrote a book about this, the EU

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was built. They even mentioned George Washington and their founding document,

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like they were built kind of ape the United States,

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both in trade and as kind of a cultural federalists

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kind of thing. But the French and the Polish are

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not the same. You know, I can go to California

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and I will be fine there. I will understand the culture.

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We'll have the same stores, we have the same language. Yeah,

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they are of course regional differences and they're great. I

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love that. But Poland has a different history than England,

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you know what I mean. Like, I think you're right

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about the South African So of course when you have

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assimilate better than when you're moving from Syria to England.

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And I don't believe there's genocide in South Africa, but

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it's definitely genocidal rhetoric against white farmers and they are

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definitely being pushed out off their land, and the government

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definitely looks the other way. This happened in Rhodesia, which

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it's GDP per capita was up there with European countries.

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a racist country for sure, but instead of integrating society

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and making it great, now they're one of the poorest

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countries in the world. And this is where South Africa's headed.

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I couldn't believe the crime rate in South Africa. The

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murder rate is the third highest in the world. It's

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incredibly dangerous to be there. I think like Hondorism and

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maybe Jamaica have a higher murder rate in the world,

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the Kiffness, the guy the Kiffness, he did this song

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about where he took Trump's words about eating the cats

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eating the dogs and turn it into like a really

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catchy song. Yeah, and he does this with all sorts

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of songs. He'll take like just weird things he hears.

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in South Africa and he's very concerned about the situation

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there and the current political party, in the leadership of

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the current political party, and it's.

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of South Africa is not that easy. There was a

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it's complicated. And one of my favorite movies, Breaker Morant

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is about this. But yeah, these people see everything through race.

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Speaker 4: Turns out in Congress, we have a UNI Party.

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nothing on getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. Everything

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just a reality show. Whether it's happening in DC or

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Speaker 1: I guess this would segue for me at least into

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a situation at Harvard, and I'm going to talk about

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MPR as well. Trump administration the other day pulled the

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rest of funding kind of help for Harvard, and also

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I believe suspended its ability to take foreign visas. I

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think the Trump administration is going to now vet them

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or their social media count stuff like that. Harvard is

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suing and so on. I guess I saw David French

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on MSNBC saying that the Trump administra I don't have

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the exact quote, but something like the Trump administration is

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undermining sort of constitutionally protected the freedom of speech and

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this and that by targeting Harvard, I guess I would ask.

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I guess I would say a few things. One thing

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is that I just don't believe a private institution has

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any right to taxpayer funding to begin with, I don't

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believe a private institution has a constitutional right or I

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have some kind of constitutional duty to fund speech I

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don't like. And third, I'd say that if Harvard had

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a racist marches going on and black students were being

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targeted and made to feel like they couldn't be there anymore,

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I wonder if David French would be on MSNBC talking

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about constitutional rights. Now. I'm not saying that Harvard can

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have racist marches if it wants. It's a free speech,

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but should I or you or anyone else have to

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fund that effort? And lastly, on this, they Harvard in

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places like that undermine American values, They undermine the assimilation

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that we were talking about. They prop up people hate America.

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So why should the government of the United States let

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that place or help that place flourish in undermining what

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this country is about. I just don't see any reason

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for that.

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Speaker 2: This second Trump term has been so revolatory for me

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in ways I didn't expect like learning how much my

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money funds the NGO environment that employs all of my neighbors,

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you know, to push left wing ideas. The funding of

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Harvard alone is just shocking to me, the number of

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contracts that we have with them, the money year after

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year that they get, and they like to claim their

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private university and that that gives them the right to

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discriminate against white people and men or you know, they

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say that the control everything we know about the way

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the law is interpreted. They have the right to be

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racist and sexist and stuff. But then they say that

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they're basically a public university because they're so reliant on

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my funding of them and your funding of them for research,

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research which by the way, does not really help anybody

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and frequently harms people. Here's why transing your kid and

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permanently removing healthy body parts is good for them, you know,

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that kind of research. And then they also say that

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they need did you know what percentage of the Harvard

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class is foreign enrolled? Is enrolled from foreign countries?

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Speaker 1: I know, I don't. Columbia is very high, almost half

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or some crazy number of well it's not.

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Speaker 2: That much, but it's more than a quarter. And it's like, Okay,

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so you want to say that you're this great institution

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for America while really one out of four, more than

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one out of four of your students, you are helping foreign,

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wealthy foreigners basically at the expense of Americans who would

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like that kind of you know, supposedly premier education. And

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nothing I've heard from Harvard has made me more sympathetic

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to them. I would like them not to be the

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only school that the government disinvests from, unentangles itself from,

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if they're doing this kind of funding at public universities

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or other universities. You know, yes, I'm at Hillsdale where

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we do not take any federal funding, and we excel,

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by the way, but we do it with this unfair

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disadvantage competing against all these places that are just getting

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massive amounts of tax payer funds.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do think there is some good research obviously

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done at universities, and if there was a way to

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funnel money into legitimate scientific concerns, that would be great.

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But they've left his appropriated science on climate, on gender stuff,

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on a bunch of other issues as well. There's so

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many dumb social science studies going on. It's mind boggling,

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you know, So I agree with that, but I wanted

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to talk about the visas. I'm not against foreign students

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coming here, but I do think that maybe we should

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start reforming that system to focus on maybe stem degrees

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or doctorate and then maybe asking people coming here on

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visas to invest in this country in some sense, to

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stay on for a certain amount. I don't I've never

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I've thought this through. But having you know, rich kids

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coming here from China and Abu Dhabi or whatever paying

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full right, all these students are here because they pay

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a full ride and it's good for the you know,

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monetarily works for the school, doesn't really help our country

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in any way. I don't know. I've said this a

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million times with My parents are immigrants, and they wanted

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to be here, and they wanted to be Americans, and

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they invested in themselves in this country. And I don't

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know why we're letting so many people. So I want

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people here want to be here, not people who just

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take from us. So I don't know how to fix

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that system, but there's something wrong with Columbia has I

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think around thirteen thousand foreigners on visas, how many of

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those people are marching, you know, in anti American marches.

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I mean, there's no reason for a step fifth columnists here.

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And yeah, the money, it's two point two billion that

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we were giving Harvard and now it's another like four

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hundred and fifty million. Like I get that in the budget,

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in the gigantic budgets we have, that doesn't seem like

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a lot, But in the in the real world, that's

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a lot of money. And what does Harvard have like

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a sixty billion dollar It's a sixty billion dollar head

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fund to be done.

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Speaker 2: I'm close to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they could be paying every student there. Every

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student could go to school for free there for probably

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what fifty years? They could probably afford it our one

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hundred years. I don't even know. That's not my thing.

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But also I agree with you, why just Harvard, why

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not other former elite institutions that have just been completely

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subjugated by ideology. Now again, I'm sure there are a

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lot of smart people, you know, in scientific departments in

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these elite schools that we should be helping. But maybe

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it's Harvard's job now to write the ship and to

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earn our taxpayer dialisam a right to it, and that

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they're suing. Makes me think like they're pretending it's some

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kind of First Amendment issue, but I just don't see

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it that way. Again, if Harvard had clansmen marching every day,

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they wouldn't get money, you know. So I'm not sure

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why prohamas people marching there every day targeting Jewish students

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that I should you know, be funding that. And also MPR.

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Speaker 2: So I was just going to say, NPR also claims

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it has a First Amendment right to taxpayer funding.

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Speaker 1: I think we spoke about this a few weeks ago,

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you know, I just the NPR. Here's my think. NPR

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says in their suit that the law, the sudden loss

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of all federal funding would be catastrophic, catastrophic for NPR.

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Without federal funding, NPR would need to shutter or downsize

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collaborative newsrooms and rural reporting initiatives, et cetera, et cetera.

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A few weeks ago they said, yeah, NPR defenders are like, oh,

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it only takes you know, only one or two percent, Yeah,

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exactly its budget, and now all of a sudden, the

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whole thing's going to collapse. NPR is the second, I believe,

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largest radio network in this country. Again, I think some

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of their stuff's pretty good. It's well produced. They have

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a lot going on. Their newsrooms are completely leftist. It's

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their right. But again, why should you and I have

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to have to, you know, subsidize their leftism or anti

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Americanism or whatever, or their social values. I just don't

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see why. And I think their claim and Harvard's claim,

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is that they're being targeted over speech. Well, what other

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media institution gets money from the government. They're the only

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ones through you know, one institution. Right.

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Speaker 2: So I watched this clip of Brian Stelter explaining the

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NPR case because they you know, Sue is saying, they

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have this First Amendment right to the federal funding from

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you and me, and he said, so, the reason why

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they did that is because the Trump administration, when they

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announced the stopping of the cessation of these funds, noted

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that NPR is very biased, and so NBR denies that

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they're biased, which is hilarious. And they say that that

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shows that they are being punished for particular speech and

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you can't do that according to the constitution. So therefore

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they have the right to the funding. And I just

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love this, Like, how far would NPR take this approach

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that because they cannot be punished for speech, they can start, yeah,

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Mark doing KKK marches and nothing could happen to them,

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start advocating for KKK ideology and nothing could happen to them.

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I mean they do already, right, they're very, very racist,

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and they're very supportive of you know, Hammas and BLM

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and all sorts of racist, extremist terrorist ideologies. But it

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was like, wow, that's quite the hutspah of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only reason they have money is because they're biased, honestly,

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I mean right from the start this was run by

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the left basically. And I'm gonna sound like a paranoid

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right wing guy right now, but even their shows that

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I watched growing up were filled with left wing messaging,

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you know, from Sesame Street on I'm sorry, and there's

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no reason for us to.

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Speaker 2: I kind of think of it as like a subsidy

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for wealthy white people because they did it, used to

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do a lot of like British drama, you know, things

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that most people wouldn't like, but that like wealthy white

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people certainly like. And to this day, you know, they

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seem like a wealthy white people of course.

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Speaker 1: M pr is just a it's a radio network for

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for upper up you know, upper middle class and upper

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middle class white people for the most part, uh, middle

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brow British shows on PBS. Why do I have to

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pay for them? You know the whole thing. I was

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thinking about this or maybe I wrote about but you know,

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they don't want their eyes sullied with like a Burger

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King commercial. And while they're watching like down Abbey, you

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know what I mean, So I they're like five.

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Speaker 2: If it's like this was brought to you by.

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Speaker 1: Lock Keith Martin, you know, and help from this found

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leftist foundation and that leftist foundation. And I'm good with that.

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You want to have that kind of programming, it's fine.

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And by the way, I wish that the Trump and

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Ministers and hadn't hung its entire case because the headline

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on the EO is bias, right, it matters the bias,

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But we shouldn't be giving them money even if they

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weren't biased. There is no reason to be giving hundreds

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of millions of dollars to very successful private enterprises. And

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we should defund him. I mean, Congress should be doing my.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, can we just say that again? Like it's getting

475
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
very frustrating why Congress is unable to do anything, including

476
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,279
defunding NPR and PBS, which is something they've talked about

477
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,440
for decades. And it's not just this Congress, it's like

478
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200
every Congress has been such a failure. They're so weak,

479
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,279
so cowardly. They don't know how to they don't know

480
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:27,319
how to lead and help people through a change like

481
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,160
the defunding of NPR PBS.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean that budget that they just the House passes

483
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:38,880
a monstrosity. I mean the Mike Johnson gave into the

484
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,079
assault faction, you know, where we subsidize rich people in

485
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,160
blue states and incentivize them to keep raising their taxes.

486
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,920
And on the other hand, the fiscal conservatives got nothing.

487
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,880
Now I would call them a faction, but there's like

488
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680
two of them. Even Shiproy voted for it, because what

489
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:56,440
is he going to do. You know, he's going to

490
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,920
sit there and stop the whole budget. One guy, he's

491
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not going to do it. Only person who voted against

492
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
it was a libertarian guy's.

493
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Speaker 2: Name Thomas Massey.

494
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Speaker 1: Massy I don't like those guys very much either. There's

495
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,640
a lot of grant standing and not enough coalition building,

496
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,319
like they need to pull together people in some sense,

497
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,319
like Massey just raises money. He says no all the time,

498
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,960
like it's not going to do it, doesn't do anything.

499
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,440
You're not helping your cause. Really, in my view, you

500
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,640
have to like get involved in some way to try

501
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,559
to like say, well, look at this program, look at

502
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,960
come up with a plan that people can maybe join.

503
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,880
I don't know, I don't know. It feels like a

504
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:31,920
lot of but anyways, just.

505
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,279
Speaker 2: Get annoyed at even that though they're like eighty loser

506
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Republicans for everyone, Thomas Massey and people complain about Thomas

507
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,839
Massey or Chip Roy when they're actually trying to do

508
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,000
something to protect our budget, and nobody knows by name

509
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,880
all the evil people who are like I'm not going

510
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,519
to vote for this.

511
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know. I'm just

512
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,519
saying that I am much angry at the people who

513
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:59,319
just pass all this stuff. But you know, and I

514
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,480
think Chip Roy is actually a more serious person. But

515
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,400
the White House says we're not adding to the deficit.

516
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,119
It's just nonsense. It's going to be a probably going

517
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,200
to add around three trillion to it in over ten years.

518
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,039
The highest ratio to GDP debt since World War Two.

519
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,960
It's just unsustainable. I don't think anyone actually cares about it.

520
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,319
It's just a lip service no one ever wants. If

521
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,839
people actually cared about politicians would feel compelled to do

522
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,799
something about it. But no one wants to actually cut anything.

523
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,640
And here we are, and I'm sure it'll pass the Senate.

524
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,079
We'll see. There's a lot of talk, but I don't

525
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,839
think anyone will do anything. Do you want to talk

526
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,759
about James Comy for a bit? I know you always

527
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,720
want to talk about James Comy. He was on MSNBC recently. Well,

528
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,599
let me take it even a step back from that.

529
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400
I think it was last week or two weeks ago

530
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,640
where he was walking on the beach and took a

531
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picture of.

532
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: This eighty six forty seven.

533
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighty six forty seven. Anyone who's worked in the

534
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920
restaurant business knows means, you know, kill it, and uh,

535
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:09,319
obviously forty seven's Trump. Now what was his Do you

536
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,359
know what his excuse was for that? Did he put

537
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,480
those together or he said he just ran across it

538
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:14,720
on the beach or what was it?

539
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,279
Speaker 2: Yes? I think he was like my wife saw them

540
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,680
and we were like, oh, what is this interesting number?

541
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,240
There's numbers that we don't know what it means. And

542
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,640
then we kept looking at it for a little while,

543
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720
and then we said, wait a minute. I think my

544
00:31:28,759 --> 00:31:31,440
wife worked in restaurants, and so she knew eighty six

545
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,519
meant you're out of shrimp, and forty seven that's the

546
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,799
number of the current president. And so we thought it

547
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,119
was just a cute and whimsical thing that we happened across.

548
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,039
I just want to say, I have to assume there's

549
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:47,799
not a single person on earth who believes that they

550
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:52,599
happened across this seashell formation, right, I don't. I don't

551
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,480
think like any person with a pulse thinks they happened

552
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,680
across it. Like do I think maybe the white arranged

553
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,079
it and not comby possibly, But it was one of them,

554
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,000
one of the two of them. And they had bought

555
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,480
store bought shells because like I love to comb the

556
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,680
beach for shells, and they're very hard to find, all

557
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,680
the same color and size, and they were big, and

558
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,319
they were you know, they looked like they bought bottomint

559
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,319
Michael's or hobby lobby and put him, you know, arranged

560
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,119
them and they came across them, and he lies and

561
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
says that Lizon says that they came across them. It's

562
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,920
just an amazing, embarrassing, like such a if my children

563
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,200
did that, I'd be like, do not even try to

564
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,880
come at me with this week stuff. But we were

565
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,079
all supposed to believe that he didn't know that the

566
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,880
guy who used to prosecute mob criminals for whom the

567
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,319
lingo eighty six means to assassinate or to kill, and

568
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,000
the guy who was under all these different presidents didn't

569
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,599
know how we number presidents and it was just like

570
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,960
such a mystery to him, and he just came across it.

571
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,039
Speaker 1: I guess the most charitable explanation would be he means

572
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:11,160
like end his presidency, I guess, But anyway, he's he's

573
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,519
such a weird and guy, I think.

574
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:18,039
Speaker 2: Hold on, just of course that would be the most

575
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,920
like charitable thing. But even that's not great, right, how

576
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,440
do you end to presidency through another coup, through another

577
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,480
lie like the Russia collusion lie that you perpetuated even

578
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,680
though you knew it was false for years. Like that's

579
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,559
a really disgusting, evil like prosecutable thing to do. Like

580
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,319
when someone does not deserve to be out of the

581
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,160
presidency and you're calling for him to be ousted like

582
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,039
that doesn't does not like, oh, it's charming, he just

583
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:48,759
meant end the presidency. But also, the context here really

584
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,720
really matters. And the context is not that James Comy

585
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,839
is some loser who's never read a book or seen

586
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,759
a TV show so he didn't know what eighty six meant.

587
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,559
The context is that James Comy is the form FBI

588
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,079
director who knows full well what eighty six means in that,

589
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,960
you know, in that environment, and who has already been

590
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,960
in trouble for trying to illegally oust the very same president.

591
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,800
And this president has been a victim of two assassination

592
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,519
attempts so in recent in the last year. So it's

593
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,440
not just like a oh, best construction as he meant

594
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
and the presidency. It's like, the context really does matter here,

595
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,519
and the context for James Comy could not be worse.

596
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I saw a story today that someone in the Biden administration,

597
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,000
the shadow government, let's call it, of the last administration,

598
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,639
said that they believed that undemocratic means were okay to

599
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,960
stop Donald Trump because Donald Trump was a fascist. Essentially,

600
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,119
Now you and I have probably written about this for

601
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,639
ten years already, that that government does this and this

602
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
is their excuse and justification. But it just reminded me

603
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,400
immediately of call me and probably the reasoning that goes

604
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,320
through his head. He was on Jensaki's show recently called

605
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Republicans white supremacist adjacent. And I don't know if you've

606
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,960
ever watched this Jen Saki interviews, but they are the

607
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,159
most They're all such softballs. I mean, she is just

608
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,519
terrible at pretending to be a journalist. I just can't

609
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:19,360
I don't know how her ratings are or whatever, but

610
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239
I can't believe she has a show anyway. I want

611
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,000
to add that.

612
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: I don't watch MSNBC. Maybe I should, but yeah, when

613
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,639
he went out there and claimed that the Republican Party

614
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,039
was white supremacist adjacent, it was just a great reminder

615
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:40,400
of what we've gone through in the James Comey story

616
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,039
going back a decade. And when I first started criticizing

617
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:48,400
James Comey, like ninety nine percent of the response I

618
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,199
would get would be like, he's a Republican appointed by Republicans.

619
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,239
Like if you're criticizing him, that must mean you're a

620
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,599
real Trump sickophan, and I just want to say, you know,

621
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,239
eight years hen, I'm feeling pretty good about all the

622
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,960
things I said early on about what a smarmy loser

623
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:11,519
he is, Like it is embarrassing that anybody like him

624
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,599
has ever been in a position of authority like that guy.

625
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,079
Speaker 1: Is.

626
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: He's not bright, he's conniving. He has no like virtues

627
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,519
that I can speak of, and he's displayed that throughout

628
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:32,000
his career. I mean the Martha Stewart thing being a

629
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,159
great example right where he wanted to get a high

630
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:40,480
profile person related to insider trading and didn't get her

631
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:43,119
and charged her anyway. And what did he charge her

632
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,400
for lying to an FBI agent about how she hadn't

633
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,079
done insider trading, meaning that he didn't find that she

634
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,000
had done any insider trading, but that he found that

635
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:56,440
she'd been deceitful because she said she didn't remember something

636
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:58,639
that she surely would have remembered. Oh, I don't know.

637
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,480
Likes claiming that you can across a bunch of shells

638
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
that said eighty six forty seven, and that you just

639
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,159
happened across them and you didn't put them on put

640
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:08,360
them down there yourself, and that you had no idea

641
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,400
how they got there, like that kind of lie. So

642
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,679
I really wish that when the FBI talked to him,

643
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,719
that they had charged him with lying to them when

644
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,000
he made that, when he presumably made that claim to them.

645
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:24,559
Speaker 1: Remember also, like everyone around there around that time, running

646
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:29,679
our intelligence operations, running our institutions of law enforcement, like

647
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,079
John Brennan, like James Clapper, they were all just corrupt

648
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,280
liars Like John Brennan deserves to be in prison. James

649
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,960
Clapper lied to the American people under oath, probably deserved

650
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,119
to be punished in some way, and they all got

651
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,440
away with it. None of them faced any kind of

652
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,719
I mean, James called me, I saw I was in

653
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,480
a thrift shop looking at books, and there's his thriller.

654
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,239
He's writing books, probably making a ton of money. He

655
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,880
was rewarded for it. He was rewarded for it. Can

656
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,719
we talk about your if you're ready, Can we talk

657
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,320
about your trip to Poland a little more?

658
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

659
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more to say, but it

660
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
was a very quick trip. Left after last week's podcast

661
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,800
and flew into Warsaw. Which you have you been to Poland?

662
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:18,519
Speaker 1: I have not.

663
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:23,679
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm going to highly recommend people visit Poland,

664
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,559
but I can't say that Warsaw is the most beautiful

665
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:30,440
place I've been. It was destroyed in World War Two

666
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,960
and then it was rebuilt by the Soviets who who

667
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,039
occupied the area, and so it's just a lot of

668
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,920
that Soviet style architecture, like the kind you see on

669
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,119
the outskirts of Prague or you know, in Berlin, and

670
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,159
just really ugly, nothing to nothing remarkable to look at.

671
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,000
But on the other end, there's also a lot of

672
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:54,440
new industry in Warsaw and so high rises, and it's

673
00:38:54,559 --> 00:38:59,679
just it's pretty that way. And we saw the scene

674
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:04,159
of the warl uprising, which i'd first. You know, I

675
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,119
don't remember when you learn about all this stuff, but

676
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,360
I just I remember thinking about it a lot when

677
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
I went to Yad Vashem, which is the Holocaust museum

678
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:17,239
in Israel, and they have an extensive, extensive area devoted

679
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,679
to the Warsaw uprising. Because a lot of people know

680
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,039
that most Jews, when they showed up in concentration camps

681
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,840
or death camps, they had no idea what was about

682
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,800
to hit them. But toward the end of the war,

683
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:33,039
word had started to get out about what happened if

684
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:36,639
you were taken by train to these camps, and so

685
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,360
it helped produce some uprisings, including the famous Warsaw uprising,

686
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,800
where a lot of young people tried to get guns

687
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,079
and bullets in order to fight back against the Nazis,

688
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,199
you know, ultimately unsuccessful, but still kind of a highlight

689
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,840
of that era when everybody else was just being marched

690
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,039
into the gas chambers without knowledge. And then we went

691
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:05,960
to Triblinka, which I think more than eight hundred thousand

692
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:10,320
Jews were killed in Triblinka are under nine hundred thousand.

693
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,480
And what's interesting about oh, Actually, first we went to

694
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:18,800
this town I think it was called Tinton, and it

695
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,440
was a good example of how the Holocaust began, not

696
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:25,480
with gas chambers, but by rounding up people in small

697
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,679
towns in schettles and taking them and just putting bullets

698
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,280
in them. So Holocaust by bullets. And so we saw

699
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,719
three mass graves for the Jews of this town, and

700
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,440
we also saw their synagogue, which was like a sizeable synagogue.

701
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,239
And I think they were the majority of this town,

702
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,039
like a bare majority of this town. And it was

703
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:50,760
interesting to see how many people regularly come out to

704
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,639
these mass graves, which are in the middle of a

705
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,760
forest like miles outside of this small town to honor

706
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:02,079
the people who were killed by bullets. And then we

707
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:09,239
kept going and we went to Treblinka, Sorry, And what

708
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,159
was interesting about that is that was like a full

709
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,880
gas chamber situation, but they had just the Nazis had

710
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,800
destroyed every single building associated with it, and so you

711
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,880
can go and see where, you know, nearly a million

712
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,320
people were gassed, but you don't see any buildings or

713
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,239
evidence of it. And someone I know, his great grandfather

714
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,800
and other family members were killed there. So that was,

715
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,840
you know, interesting to be there at that site. And

716
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,199
then we went to the town of Lublin, which was

717
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,559
a really thriving, like again not predominantly Jewish, but a

718
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,719
sizable Jewish population city, and right near there is this

719
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,639
death camp called Mydonic, where I think because the Nazis

720
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,400
had kind of ceased using it as a death camp

721
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,960
before the Soviets came and took over the area, they

722
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,000
didn't feel the need to destroy every building because it

723
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,079
wasn't like currently in use at the time that the

724
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,159
Soviets were coming. And so it's like a remarkably well

725
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,360
preserved camp. But one of the things that's interesting about

726
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,719
it is that there weren't that many people killed there,

727
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,239
by which I mean only like eighty thousand people were

728
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,360
killed there. But you can see the gas chamber and

729
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,719
you can see like the blue from the cyclon ze

730
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:33,159
is what is it called cyclon b B on the walls,

731
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,840
and you can see where they cremated the bodies and

732
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:46,599
where executions happened. Also that was being inside those buildings

733
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:48,599
is one of the worst experiences I've ever had. I mean,

734
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:53,400
I just haven't felt that kind of evil around you,

735
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Like there's no eradicating it. And it's just terrific to see.

736
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,559
Speaker 1: Thinking about the like industrialization of killing people, it's just

737
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:10,039
so mind bogglingly evil, you know, and you.

738
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,599
Speaker 2: Know you can't help when you're there, but just to

739
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:14,440
imagine you're the one who's in the camp or you

740
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,320
are trying to protect your children, and how helpless you

741
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,960
would be and how awful. And we also went we

742
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,880
also walked around Lublin and we went to this theater

743
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,679
that's kind of it's good as it sounds like, as

744
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:28,639
Mark said, if you'd told me I was going to

745
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,199
experimental theater today, I would not have been happy, but

746
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,920
it was really well done. They just took like little

747
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:38,079
vignettes stories and you know, did it to a violin

748
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,760
and a base, and it was so moving and touching

749
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,320
stories like from scraps of paper that people had found

750
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,119
in these sites. And it was really beautifully done and

751
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,599
nice because like Lublin, which used to have so many Jews,

752
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:56,000
now has basically one, and this theater is done by

753
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,679
Poles just in honor of their former neighbors, like not

754
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,880
that they were alive when this happened. But and then

755
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,559
we went to Auschwitz, and that was we got to

756
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:12,159
go in early before anybody else was in to Auschwitz one,

757
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,519
which is, you know, it has all these barracks, barracks,

758
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,719
barracks full of people, and that was more the work

759
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,119
camp of Auschwitz. Auschwitz two is the death camp where

760
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:28,320
they killed more than a million, and the torture that

761
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,280
they were engaged in. And also it was so weird

762
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
to see these like sort of beautiful brick barracks been

763
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,400
it had been Polish barracks before the Nazis took it over,

764
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,159
and to see what they did to in these buildings

765
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,440
and the tortures that they did and we got to

766
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,400
see this cell where Maximilian Colby was. He was the priest.

767
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,440
They used to do this thing like if someone escaped,

768
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,320
then someone else from the unit would have to be killed,

769
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,880
and they chose that person randomly, and they chose someone

770
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,719
who had a wife and kids and he was begging

771
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,440
for his life, and Maximilian Colby said, well, I don't

772
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,599
have any wife or kids obviously, and I'd be happy

773
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,159
to take his place. And so he took his place,

774
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:10,719
and they just tried to starve him in the pit

775
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,920
of one of the barracks for weeks and he didn't starve,

776
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,320
and so they ended up injecting him with fent. They

777
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,320
injected something into his heart. I can't remember what it

778
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,079
is to kill him. And you know, so you see

779
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,480
these like just stories like that or the sites where

780
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,679
they would execute people. And then we went out to

781
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,559
Auschwitz too, which is sort of the famous thing that

782
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:41,119
everybody sees in movies, and that was also just horrific

783
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,880
to see, you know, some of the gas chambers there,

784
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,519
how big they were. We did go into a gas

785
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,920
chamber at Auschwitz, which was the first place that they

786
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:52,119
used it figured it out, but it was much smaller

787
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:57,280
than the ones at Auschwitz two, and I don't know,

788
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,519
it was just I would highly recommend going on a

789
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:09,360
tour like this, where you see these places and you

790
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,400
know it's not that long ago, Like I kept thinking.

791
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,079
My mom was born in nineteen forty six. She has

792
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:17,119
an older brother who was born earlier, like if they

793
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:19,320
had been in Poland, this could have been them.

794
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: My grandfather was an Auschwitz work count, who is my

795
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,159
step like my step grandpa, he brought up my dad.

796
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,840
My actual grandfather died in Austria, probably you know, a

797
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,679
slave labor. They're not sure. It's sort of just disappeared.

798
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,440
My grandmother was on a train. She escaped somehow and

799
00:46:39,559 --> 00:46:44,440
was hidden by a Catholic family in Budapest. They were

800
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,199
sort of very, very weird to say that someone's lucky

801
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,440
during the Holocaust, but the Hungarian Jews were maybe the

802
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:55,519
last great big population taken, so they probably would not

803
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,440
have survived if they had been one of the first.

804
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,920
And Iikeman was famously you know, in Hungary doing that.

805
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,239
So anyway, I've never been to these places that we tried.

806
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,840
I went with my dad years ago to try to

807
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,199
track down where his dad had died in Austria, but

808
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,159
to no avail. But I would I don't think i'd

809
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:12,880
ever go to Auschwitz or any of these places.

810
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,639
Speaker 2: Was hungry the last because they kind of not switched

811
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,840
sides during the war, but they'd been kind of with

812
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,760
the Nazis early on, and then when the Nazis began losing,

813
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,679
they kind of dropped away. Is that why?

814
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think there was some actually, and that don't

815
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:28,880
get me wrong, there are plenty of unfortunately in Poland

816
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,840
as well, Penny, people who were happy to go along

817
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,039
with this kind of thing, but I think they were

818
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:37,039
somewhat resistant to it initially and then yeah, as the

819
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,639
war turned they lost. It was it's just to think

820
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,199
about the evil obviously, Nazis are so evil it's almost like,

821
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,199
you know, we just say it, but think about this

822
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,199
the war. They know now that they're probably going to

823
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,960
lose the war, so they accelerate their extermination project.

824
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: Once they realized that things are going very badly, rather

825
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,039
than try to figure out a way to like lose

826
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,719
in the best way or possibly and when they just

827
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,000
devote all their resources to being like, no, we've got

828
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,719
to eradicate the Jews.

829
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 1: To me, like you mentioned these mass shootings that they

830
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,519
did out in the woods in shallow graves. To me,

831
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:14,119
those almost more horrific because it's just more the it's

832
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,199
the industrialized thing. It's hard to wrap your mind around

833
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,760
it or your morality around it, right, But when you

834
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,079
actually someone has to walk up to you, shoot you,

835
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,519
shoot your children, and that, you know, they stop doing

836
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,880
that because a lot of soldiers I think couldn't really

837
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,239
do it anymore, so they wanted to sort of yeah,

838
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,880
an esthecizeable things. So anyway, it's a horrific thing to

839
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,880
think about, and honestly, I mean, this is why I

840
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:37,360
think Israel is so important. So for me, like the

841
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,880
Warsaw Ghetto, I always say, you know that it would

842
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,559
have been different. The Holocaust would have been different if

843
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,920
Jews had had been armed like they are. Let's say

844
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,880
they can be here. Now. I'm not saying it wouldn't

845
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,800
have happened in the end, but those Warsaw Ghetto fighters

846
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,920
held out i think from over two months and they

847
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,440
only had like a handful of rifles and stuff. Do

848
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,280
you know what I mean? It's not that easy to

849
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,280
kill people when they're armed, and people, you know, I

850
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,679
get such blowback when I say stuff like this. But

851
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,000
even now, I think Jews everyone I think, but Jews

852
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,199
should arm themselves if they can.

853
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: I don't remember who wrote it, but Tablet Magazine, which

854
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,280
is a great magazine, had an article that basically says that, like,

855
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,440
the number one thing Jews in America can do right

856
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,679
now is arm themselves and get firearms training.

857
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't pronounce his first name. Leo Libowitz wrote that,

858
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,079
Lyle Libowitz. It's an excellent PC. It says, I think

859
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,719
it's arm yourself or something like that. No, hope they do. So.

860
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: Also wanted to mention that we flew out of Crackow

861
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,559
and Crackou is a magically beautiful city. It's the opposite

862
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,559
of what I said about Warsaw, where it was like

863
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:53,039
ugly architecture. Crackow has beautiful architecture from many hundreds of

864
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:56,480
years ago, many many hundreds in the castle with a

865
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,679
dragon's layer, which is pretty awesome. I had to get

866
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:05,159
my God sent a little dragon toy for that. And

867
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,480
beautiful people, beautiful everything.

868
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:07,639
Speaker 3: Now.

869
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: When I was in the central square of Crackout on

870
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,159
Sunday after leaving Auschwitz, there was a small pro Palestinian

871
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,480
march and it was not like it was not a

872
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,719
welcome site. It was small, but it was still just like,

873
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,840
really people here of all places. And I went on

874
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,960
the trip with Guy Benson and Mary Catherine Ham and

875
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:36,360
Kennedy and Emily Campagna, all from Fox News, and it

876
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,840
was they definitely had the same reaction. I wasn't with

877
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,559
them at the time, but they were saying when they

878
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,280
saw the Palestinian marchers, they were like screaming at them.

879
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eastern European countries, you don't really see a lot

880
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,360
of this pro Palestinian stuff because a lot of it

881
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,400
is driven by Islamic immigrants there, I think, and politicians

882
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,519
who have to now kowtow to them in places like

883
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:04,880
Britain and France. Anyway, hard to segue from the Holocaustic cultures.

884
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: There was one more thing I was gonna say. One

885
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,480
of my problems I always try to understand different arguments

886
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,880
that I can better combat them. It's such a basic

887
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,800
part of discussing with someone is that you try to

888
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,599
understand where they're coming from. And I have struggled so

889
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,679
much to understand anti Semitism. It just doesn't make sense

890
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,880
to me. I never grew up in a way that

891
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,400
it would have made sense that, you know, it's not

892
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,400
something that would make sense in my family or anything

893
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,039
like that, but there was this little thing that kind

894
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,760
of there's a little a little thing I picked up

895
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,199
in Poland that I've just wanted to ask you about.

896
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,960
So even now, like if you go to Auschwitz, they

897
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,239
will separate out the groups of people that were killed.

898
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,559
They'll be like, it was this many Jews, this many Roma,

899
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:01,280
this many Soviets, this many Poles. And by the way,

900
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,119
Poles there is like the second biggest group, and it

901
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:06,119
was a lot of anybody who was part of a

902
00:52:06,159 --> 00:52:08,639
Polish resistance was killed, which was a lot of people,

903
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,400
and so they lost a significant percentage of their population

904
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,119
as well. But they separate out Jews from Poles. So

905
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,599
it's like Jew whether you're from Poland or Hungary or

906
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,039
Germany or Czechoslovakia, you're in the Jew camp.

907
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: Right.

908
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,119
Speaker 2: And then also like so when you're talking to Poles,

909
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,280
they will speak this way. When you're talking to Jews,

910
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,840
they will speak this way. And I was thinking about

911
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:40,880
that and about how to preserve the Jewish ethnicity requires

912
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,800
a certain degree of separation from the larger community, right,

913
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,400
I have no problem with this by the way, because

914
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,559
as a Lutheran, we feel the same way. Like I

915
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,480
was brought up to believe, like, I'm Lutheran, we live

916
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,960
in America, We're very proud or happy to be American,

917
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,239
and we're very patriotic, but we're first and foremost in

918
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,880
Christian So but like it was such a pronounced thing.

919
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,199
I don't even quite know what I'm asking here about.

920
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,639
Like I think I think they were viewed. They were

921
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,119
viewed as like separate from the political community in a

922
00:53:16,159 --> 00:53:19,559
way that was dangerous for like the Nazis.

923
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:22,639
Speaker 1: Obviously, well we talked about this before. It's like here

924
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,719
it's different because I can be Jewish and I'm American

925
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,760
and it's perfectly acceptable and fine. But in Poland it's

926
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
not the same, especially when you were the only group

927
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,480
that's different, right, and people and Jews who convinced themselves

928
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,880
that they were going that they were Hungarians like my grandparents,

929
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,599
they were in for a rude awakening when things went south.

930
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,840
And so, yeah, there was a separation, but it was

931
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,920
often instituted against Jewish people by who, you know, the

932
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,639
ruling class. Now, honestly, this is not an attack on

933
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Lutherism or you, but Martin Luther wrote a book that

934
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,400
was wildly anti Semitic about Jews because he viewed he

935
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,159
was I think, I'm not lecturing you on this might

936
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,440
be wrong, but he viewed them he thought they would

937
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,960
come into the fold with, you know, with him. So

938
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,039
I think a lot of people in Europe, if you

939
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,360
read the Bible, I mean, the Jews don't the New Testament.

940
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,280
The Jews don't come off well, you know, And I

941
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,360
think that that's part of the.

942
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,119
Speaker 2: Actually funny as in the Old Testament they don't come

943
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,400
off well. They're always described as like hard headed or

944
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:28,119
stiff necked and you know, immediately rebelling against God. Yeah. No,

945
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,840
Martin Luther wrote a book called On the Jews and

946
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,679
their Lies, So you can kind of pick up from

947
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the title there what the general take is. And it

948
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:41,400
was his belief that Rome had so obscured the Gospel

949
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:45,000
that once Jews heard the Gospel purely taught, they would

950
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,440
of course immediately all convert in Mass. And so he's

951
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,880
like at the beginning of his ministry or whatever, when

952
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,119
he really just things like Jews, the problem is, they

953
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,039
haven't heard the Gospel, they haven't learned about Jesus, they

954
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,400
haven't had it been clearly taught from how Jesus is

955
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,480
the promised Messiah. And so he starts out like really

956
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:14,480
eager to preach to them, and then when they refuse

957
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,159
like the message, or when they reject Jesus even after

958
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learning about it, then he just turns and he's like, well,

959
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,519
these people are very like it's not just that the

960
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:29,400
Catholics had suppressed the Gospel, it's something worse. And so

961
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,159
he had some very bad things to say, and then

962
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:34,000
that was used. I mean, that was really it was

963
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,440
like a theological argument, as was so many things that

964
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:40,719
Luther did. But then the Nazis ended up using that

965
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,840
literature as a way to say, like, see, there's a

966
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,519
long history. Even sainted Martin Luther, you know, felt this way,

967
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,719
when of course Martin Luther never would have supported killing

968
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,800
anyone for faith reasons.

969
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: And you know, in medieval times or whenever you had

970
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,000
a king in a kingdom or whatever, and it was

971
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,199
intricately tied to faith, it mattered a lot. And it's

972
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,519
a theological idea, right. You know, you had wars fought

973
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,599
constantly over between Catholics and Protestant nations and so on

974
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,760
Orthodox nations, between Islamic nations and Jews didn't have were

975
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,760
never a power. So if you had to blame someone

976
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,000
for as being a fifth columnist or undermining the nation,

977
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,320
like Hitler did for instance in World War One, he

978
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,840
blamed Jewish banks, you know, officials whatever.

979
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: And on the banking thing, I love this that the

980
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,440
laws would be set up so basically Jews were the

981
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,599
only people allowed to do banking, and then they get

982
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:36,239
blamed for being bankers, do you know what I mean?

983
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,159
Like they would be like, oh, well, we will let

984
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:40,960
them do the U three because we're not supposed to

985
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,719
do it, and then they do it, and then they're

986
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,079
like and look at these people with their banks and

987
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,559
their finance. It's like, well, you did set up a

988
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:49,840
system where that's how it was going.

989
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: To work well anyway. So you think about the Ukrainian,

990
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:55,719
the pale in Ukraine and all these they were like

991
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,719
very poor, you know, but they were part of blamed

992
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,559
and kind of in a collective way for what like

993
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,880
rich German bankers were doing were Jewish.

994
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I always have you heard those quotes

995
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:08,039
from Lord Rabbi Jonathan Sachs which are kind of about this,

996
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,440
like there the Jews will be blamed for being poor

997
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,880
and for being wealthy, for being communist and for being capitalists,

998
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,039
Like is you get blamed on both sides of the things.

999
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: That's awesome that you went. It sounds like it was

1000
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,239
really enriching in a way. Oh it was sad.

1001
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: I would highly recommend like the two things. One would

1002
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,119
be visiting death camps and concentration camps. Like you can

1003
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,760
read about it so much and I have, and it's

1004
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,280
not like I've really learned anything totally new, but to

1005
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,719
go through it and experience it is something altogether different

1006
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880
and it's while worth. It's not that long ago. You know,

1007
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,119
people should be worried about something like this happening again.

1008
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:50,239
And also like I think people should approach it with

1009
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,480
the idea of how is it happening again right now?

1010
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:53,880
You know, what are the things that we do in

1011
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,599
our own lives too look the other way or to

1012
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,480
not fight as much as we should. And then secondly,

1013
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,639
highly recommend Poland as a country to visit. It is beautiful,

1014
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,400
the people are wonderful, the culture is great, and I

1015
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,920
would just say, get crack out on your list.

1016
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:15,519
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I was born less than thirty years after

1017
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,320
the Holocaust, right, And I'm still around and my dad

1018
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,079
was born in nineteen fifty two, so when you in

1019
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,400
nineteen forty two, I'm sorry. So when you say it's

1020
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,239
like near, it's it's crazy how near it seems so far.

1021
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,000
But it's the things that we did not very long ago,

1022
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,639
as you know, as humans as kind of nuts. But

1023
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,519
I heard a rumor that you watch like a lot

1024
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,239
of movies, so I'm really excited to hear what you

1025
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:39,679
have seen.

1026
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,119
Speaker 2: So you know, it's a very long flight there, in

1027
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:44,280
a very long flight back. So I have seen so

1028
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,239
many movies it's ridiculous. And I'll just start. I'll just

1029
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,440
go in order conclave.

1030
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: You saw that, right, I did not. I heard bad things.

1031
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 4: Oh.

1032
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good actually.

1033
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Okay good And from like Catholics, I heard bad things

1034
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:01,360
that that's.

1035
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:04,639
Speaker 2: Funny because I like the Catholics that I and my

1036
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,119
children know were recommending it. It does, I mean, it

1037
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:13,559
bends with something really like stupid basically, But the whole

1038
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:17,360
process itself, I think did an accurate job of showing

1039
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,360
how politics inside the church works. And I have a

1040
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,199
little bit of knowledge of that from Lutherans side of things,

1041
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,440
and I liked it and good acting. Okay, then I'm

1042
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,559
still here. Did you see that movie I'm still here.

1043
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:35,519
Speaker 1: I'm still here. Remind me of sense so familiar it was.

1044
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:42,119
Speaker 2: From last year? It is Oh my gosh, sorry, I

1045
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,039
don't know. If it was it was so good, I

1046
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,000
would I would just say it is a really beautiful

1047
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:54,280
movie about the disappearance of a Brazilian congressman like in

1048
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,800
the seventies and how his family endures this. So he

1049
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,800
was a communist or communist jacent to use James Comy's parlance.

1050
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:09,519
But it's a beautifully done film, beautiful cinematography, wonderful acting,

1051
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,920
and gets a little rushed at the end. But other

1052
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,840
than that, it is it is.

1053
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: It earns a ninety seven on Rotten Tomatoes, just a

1054
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:20,760
very high score.

1055
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,679
Speaker 2: Okay, it was. It was check that out fun to

1056
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:28,519
watch it. I mean, I'm not like the biggest fan

1057
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:31,119
of subtitled movies or anything, not like I don't like them,

1058
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:34,760
but it just was gripping the whole time. Okay. Then

1059
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:40,840
I watched A Better Man, which is the Robbie Williams biopic.

1060
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,679
Speaker 1: Oh, where he's a like chimpanzee or something.

1061
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to say it kind of worked.

1062
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:48,960
I don't really know who Robbie Williams is, and I

1063
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,400
think the problem with why it didn't do well in America.

1064
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,320
He's up there.

1065
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, why would I watch this movie? Like

1066
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:57,840
it's an interesting concept, but I don't know anything about

1067
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,880
this man. I couldn't name you a song he sings.

1068
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,159
Speaker 2: I wonder he was in a boy band and it.

1069
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,119
Speaker 1: Must have been a long time ago, right.

1070
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:16,719
Speaker 2: The songs themselves actually seemed familiar, like rock, DJ Okay

1071
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,280
and Angels and all sorts of I mean it was,

1072
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:26,679
but anyway, it was a well done movie, and it

1073
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,760
is really about the demons that affect pop stars.

1074
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:34,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

1075
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:42,599
Speaker 2: Then I saw A Real Pain, A Real Pain, also

1076
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:46,480
a movie from last year. Sorry. It was about these

1077
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:52,480
cousins mother dies, and it just seemed like the right

1078
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:54,480
thing to watch because I just done it. And it

1079
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,079
was actually very interesting because like they start off in

1080
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:02,079
Warsaw and then they go to Lublin and my Donic

1081
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,280
and so like they're standing in exactly the same places

1082
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,880
where we had just stood, and it was kind of

1083
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:08,519
funny to watch that.

1084
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: Did you like it? I thought it was okay, but

1085
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:15,079
kind of I don't know. I felt a little empty after, like.

1086
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:18,079
Speaker 2: I did like it. I thought it was well done.

1087
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:20,039
I think I had. I went in assuming it was

1088
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,239
going to be bad because I heard a lot of

1089
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,599
bad stuff about it, and I thought it was I

1090
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:25,679
thought it was actually really good.

1091
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: What it's got Kieran Kulkin is that how you say?

1092
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:30,920
His name is Jesse Eisenberg who directed it, and they're

1093
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,440
both pretty good in it. Yeah.

1094
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: Then I watched it Chris Farley documentary, Oh nice, and

1095
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,440
I did not think it was good. It was like

1096
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,159
done by some TV network, I don't remember which one

1097
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:44,159
it was, and it just was It just did not

1098
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,320
bring him out in a way that I found very

1099
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,880
moving or anything. But it did talk a lot about

1100
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,280
all of his drug and food addictions and stuff.

1101
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: I was legitimately sad when he died because he was

1102
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:58,480
just to put him out himself out there so easily,

1103
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,360
and it was always just so funny watch him on

1104
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,920
his cn al when I was younger.

1105
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love him. And then finally I.

1106
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: Watched Pig Oh I want to see that.

1107
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nicholas Cage and that was also very good.

1108
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been wanting to watch it.

1109
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: I think it's you like how for months When we

1110
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:17,559
do culture, I'd be like, I have not watched anything,

1111
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,119
seen anything, read anything, because I was just a heavy

1112
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,320
on the book. And I'm like, I watched six movies

1113
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:24,239
since last week.

1114
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: How long was this flight? It must have been so long.

1115
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,079
Speaker 2: Well, there were two flights, right, so it was like

1116
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,239
seven hours over to Frankfurt and then it was I

1117
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:35,719
think nine hours back, So there was just a ton

1118
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,199
of time.

1119
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,199
Speaker 1: I went one time, I went to Brazil and it

1120
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:42,519
was a long flight and they only had one movie playing,

1121
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:44,079
and I watched it like four times. It was the

1122
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:47,880
King's speech. I knew I could recite the whole movie

1123
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:52,239
to you. Well, I did not do as much as you.

1124
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:53,119
Speaker 2: Okay.

1125
01:03:54,840 --> 01:04:00,159
Speaker 1: I watched a show, a new show on h on

1126
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:06,280
Apple TV called murder Bot, and it sounds like sounds

1127
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,719
like something, it's not. It's actually a science fiction show

1128
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,960
with Alexander Scarguard. Is that I say? His name is Scarsgard?

1129
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,159
Really funny and good. One of my children tells me

1130
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:20,760
she read the books on this, so it is a

1131
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:26,400
good show. So if I see a book on any

1132
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,679
kind of like music or celebrity, I usually will read

1133
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:30,159
it really quick. So I read a whole book on

1134
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,480
James Gandelfini that just came out, which was if you

1135
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,360
liked it, it was good. And then on apple Ash

1136
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:42,239
I also watched something called Found of Youth with Natalie

1137
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:47,719
Portman and Krasinski what is his first name from the office,

1138
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:54,679
John Kristinski. It was called a Fountain of Youth. I

1139
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,840
was not a fan of it. It's kind of derivative

1140
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:01,559
of Raiders of the Lost Arc and that Nicholas Cage

1141
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,840
movie where I forgot what it's called, where he's kind

1142
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,440
of chasing down all the signs and the Declaration of

1143
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,280
Independence and stuff national treasure.

1144
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,559
Speaker 2: But so I was excited by this, thinking that this

1145
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:15,280
might be a movie I could take my children too.

1146
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,639
But I see it's directed by Guy Ritchie, so that

1147
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,960
makes me nervous.

1148
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,599
Speaker 1: It is perfectly family friendly, I think, as far as

1149
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,360
I remember, it is not. I don't think it's in

1150
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,960
the movie theaters. I think it's just streaming on the Apple.

1151
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:34,400
It is terrible in my view, but my wife thought

1152
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,559
it was okay, So maybe it's just me. I just

1153
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,800
I just I just thought there was no real I

1154
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,440
think Natalie Portman might not be a good great actress.

1155
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,039
I'm starting to think she's very fat ready she's pretty,

1156
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:48,840
and there was no real chemistry there, and I guess,

1157
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,800
I guess the outcome like in the first five minutes,

1158
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:54,320
who is going to be the bad guy in this?

1159
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,039
And that? So I don't know do with that what

1160
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:03,039
you will? Okay? If you'd like to email us, please

1161
01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:06,800
do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

1162
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,559
love to hear from me, and we'll be back next week.

1163
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:11,840
Until them be lovers of freedom and anxious and the

1164
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,239
pray