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Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually

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claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,

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come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There

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is no such thing as an expert when it comes

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to bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.

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There is no hiding from them, There is no being

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quiet or.

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Speaker 3: Sneaking up on them.

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Speaker 2: As soon as you walk in the woods. Do you

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walk in their front door thinking that you are going

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to surprise them? You're only kidding yourself.

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Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads

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that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in

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my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures

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right now is by listening to and talking to those

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that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and

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experienced them in their own environment.

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Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring away

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as to this topic to be an open door for

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somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,

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a listening bear, a support pold for those who have

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held their own encounters with that which is not supposed

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to exist.

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Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes people, there is something

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out there. All of these thousands of people that have

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seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.

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There are some very reputable, good people out there that

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have seen something.

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Speaker 4: Mister John, how's it going, buddy?

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Speaker 5: Not you, by gentlemen. How you doing doing well?

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Speaker 4: Doing well? Audio sounds great, there's no feedback, everything is perfect.

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I'm glad you got that worked out, buddy. I was

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excited to have you.

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Speaker 5: That only fifteen year old daughter got it all fixed.

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Speaker 4: That's what it takes. That's what it takes. Actually, when

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you told me that you were having problems, my my

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almost twenty year old daughter is here with me. She

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spent a couple of days with me and had her

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show me, try to walk me through it on her phone.

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You know how. Maybe I could get with you and

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tell you what to do. But I'm glad. I'm glad

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you got to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 4: So, John, you are up in New York State? Is

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that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Right up down the Canadian border, probably about a

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mile away from the Saint Lawrence River as far north

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as you can go on the top left side of

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the state.

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Speaker 4: Now, is that near the Adironducks.

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Speaker 5: I'm probably probably twenty five thirty minutes away from the

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foothills of the Adirondacks. I could be there within a

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Speaker 4: Okay, very cool, very cool. Now, roughly how many you know,

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just off top of your head, how many in camp

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owners with with these things would you say you've had.

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Speaker 5: In your life? Oh my god, I've had two visual

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sightings daytime. I've had two nighttime sightings through my thermal

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uh scope that I've got. My kids have seen them

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four times, wife has seen them twice.

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Speaker 4: So it's a family if the huh.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah, they're they're definitely here. When they're here,

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they're here. You know, they'll come through the area. They'll

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spend anywhere is up to a week, two weeks, you know,

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when they're here, because they're they're not going to stay

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here constantly. They'll move on there, you know, Like I'm

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sure you guys know, uh, probably nomadic and behavior, you know,

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travel through the area. And uh. The first time I

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saw one, I didn't even believe in it.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I was on my tractor hunting. Other times, it just

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happens so quick, so fast, that you don't have time

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to even think about getting your camera out or your

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cell phone.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, John, that's actually what's gonna be one of

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my questions here? My next question. I wanted you was

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going to get you to go over that first encounter,

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and I wanted to know up before that encounter what

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your knowledge of the subject was. But before you get

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into that first off, before I forget, let me, I

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want to thank you. Take the time and thank you

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for your service.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. You were a.

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Speaker 4: Combat marine yep, and you were also in law enforcement

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for several years. Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Thirty three years?

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Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, so you have put in your time serving

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and protecting and making sure that we were all safe

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and taken care of. And I appreciate that, sir, Thank

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you very much.

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Speaker 5: Reserves man, Yeah, thank you. All right.

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Speaker 4: Like I was saying, that first encounter, what was your

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level of knowledge? Were you a believer and what happened

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just you know, walk us into it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I can't say I was a believer the first

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you know, I did notice. I didn't know about the

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Patterson Gimlin film. I've seen that a couple of times,

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you know, coming growing up in TV. Other than that,

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was more of a curiosity type, you know, you know,

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trying to find out about these things, and there was

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no definite, solid proof, you know that I can that

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I could say that I knew for a fact that

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these things were real. You know, it comes as a

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shock when you first see these things. I almost, honest

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to god, I almost wish I had never seen it

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and known about these things, because this is like it's

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consuming everything I do. You know, when I'm outside out

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in the woods hunting, or you know, if I'm driving

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or anywhere, I'm constantly looking in the woods in the fields,

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you know, while you're traveling. But you know, like I said,

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never never knew of any, haven't heard of any, never

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really noticed them, you know, any any type of contact

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with the wood knocks or any of that stuff. When

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and then two and I started hunting, uh, I kept

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hearing knocks when I go outside with you know, during

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hunting season, and I thought, I, you know, had an

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overabundance of the polated woodpeckers. You ever see the big ones,

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the big woodpackers. Yeah, I thought I thought that was

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what was going on. I'd hear that, you know, whack whack, whack,

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black whack whack whack of a tree, and it just

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you know, every time I go out in the woods

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during hunting season, i'd hear it. Other than that, approximately

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eight years ago, yesterday was my first encounter.

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Speaker 5: Eight years ago?

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Speaker 5: Okay? Yeah, I actually shot a deer Halloween night, just

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before dark, and I didn't recover it right off, went out,

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brought the kids trick or treating next morning. I get

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up dark in the morning, walk out to my tree stand.

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just barely see and from the edge, I'm sitting on

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a hedgerow. I've got like eighty seven acres farm surrounded

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by swamp on the left side, on the right side

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out in front of me. Anyways, I'm sitting there and

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I heard four screams from about one hundred and sixty

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yards out in front of me. And I have never

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in my entire life heard anything like that before. The

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only thing I could picture was standing in front of

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an African bowl elephant elephant as it's roaring at you.

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in my chest and my stomach. It was, you know,

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like a vibration type thing going on, and it did

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it four times, then it stopped. Then all of a sudden,

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of my property out of the swamp, yipping, growling, barking,

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and it broke into the field and started going right

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straight to where this noise came from. And this Koi dog,

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it was a good size koit dog, big male, I assume,

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and it got about fifty yards from the corner of

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where this thing was screaming and just stood there growling.

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dog growling, and I kind of forgot about the noise

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and n shot the Koi dog because they prey on

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the deer and the fawns and all that other stuff

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up here. Kind of kind of forgot about the growling

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going through the swamp uh on the left side of

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my proper. I covered about thirty five acres forty acres

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of swamp over there, and I came upon the deer

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that I had shot the night before. And when I

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realized where I was. I looked down the koy dog

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had come from that deer. So I broke out into

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the field, walked over, and sure enough, the koy dog

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had blood stuff all over his muscle and stuff he

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had been feeding on that deer. And that got me

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to thinking, what what in God's name is going to

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scream like that and get a coy dog to come

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off fresh kill like that. I've never you know, I

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didn't even think it was a big foot, a sasquatch

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or nothing. At that time, I'm like, what the heck

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Speaker 4: But now you aren't a believer in bigfoot rat?

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Speaker 5: No, I've never even never even crossed my mind anytime.

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killed bear before, we've killed deer. You know, we've seen

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bob kats my entire life, you know, until I joined

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the service, got back and resumed picked up where I

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that you know, what if it was? What if these

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things are real? And I actually ended up contacting another

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group through the internet. About three months after that. One

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of their investigators called me started asking me a whole

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bunch of questions, and he started naming off sections of

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towns and around all around me that I'm like, how

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how does this guy know all this places around me?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: I just told him roughly where I lived, and he

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started naming off stuff like within half a mile of me,

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you know, And I said, why do you why do

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you know all these places up here? He goes, well,

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we were up there last year. There's a guy that

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up there for a couple of years, and uh, we've

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been doing some investigator over his place. He lives over

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by the Saint Lawrence River. I'm like, okay, I never

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knew that I didn't know the guy. But eventually they

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they came up and they introduced me to this guy.

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lives right down into the the bigger swamp near the

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Saint Lawrence River and they'd cast tracks over at his place.

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They took fifteen fifteen half inch casts of some prints

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that they had set up at like a food like

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a baiting station or whatever you want to call it,

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off a tree and uh. They also got a set

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of smaller casts, approximately eight to nine inches of a

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juvenile you know, younger one. So later on, later in

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the year they planned on coming up. They came up

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here to do for a couple of two three days.

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I got brought him onto my property. I showed him

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where I heard the screen from basically, and that's basically

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all I knew all I could tell him. When I

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got here. That night, I was in another town. We

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had a family funeral. I got home about ten thirty

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that night. There was the two invests. There was two investigators.

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One guy had used the electronics. Guy had all the gear,

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the thermal, the cameras, the listening devices, the parabolic dishes

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and stuff. And it was the other homeowner. I got here,

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he said, come on out back, don't use no flashlight.

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were at the edge of the hedgerow. The other head investigator,

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he was walking along a parallel along the edge of

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the woods, went over to him, asked him how it's going.

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What's going on? He said, well, when we first got

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here at dark, he goes, we tried tree knocking, and

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he goes, we got three separate responses back. We got

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one from the left side of your property down in

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the swamp, We got one from out in front of

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where the other two guys were standing, and we had

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one from the back right side of my property, one

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right after the other. Apparently I wasn't there. I didn't

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hear it. And he also said that he had gotten

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something to whistle back from the woods. There was something

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shadowing them inside the tree line, probably, he said, forty

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fifty yards. They couldn't see it, but he said when

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he'd go, it would go, and he'd stop it stop.

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He corded some low level grumbling or something to some

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kind of I don't know if it was voices or

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they were talking the things were talking back and forth

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between each other or whatever, But he said that I

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got on that on tape. I didn't hear that either.

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The head guy suggested that I'd go into the neighbor's

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property over the stone wall and try to do like

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a little deer drive to him see if I can

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either kick something out or whatever. And that property over

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there has got I don't know if you guys are

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experienced with thorn apple trees and brush and vines and

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some of the thickest stuff I've ever seen in my life,

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you know, for property. But anyways, we ended up going

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to the corner of my property and walked down this

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little tractor path. The other two guys, the electronics guy

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and the other homeowner were overwatching an overgrown metal on

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the right side of my property that borders my property

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ten acres, and me and the head our researcher, we

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walked down this tractor path headed north and we stopped

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because we're going to go in at a different angle

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into that chunk of property just to see if we

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can get a response or you know, something catch something

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on thermal. And as soon as we stopped then this

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was twelve o'clock, twelve thirty nine, I think we ended

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up getting a rock thrown at us from that chunk

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of woods that we were about to go into. Something

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through a rock, the rock hit a tree, bounced off,

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hit another tree, and landed within thirty feet of us.

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The ground and the head researcher suggested that we not

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go in there because of because they did throw it

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at us. But uh, he reached into his pocket, pulled

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out a grapefruit and he fired it right back into

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the woods. And I asked him, I said, you want

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to find a rock and throw it back at him?

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He goes, no, we probably don't want to get into

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a rock fight with these things, you know.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Now, Uh, if you don't mind, Let's let's go back

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a little bit. Let's talk about these screams that you heard.

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I have heard many people describe these screams as sounding

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like a woman being murdered, maybe just just terrible screams.

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Was it anything like that or was it like a growl?

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Would you say.

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Speaker 5: This was? This was a cross between a grizzly, the

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biggest grizzly you could picture, and a large doult male

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lion turned up to like ten on a value. It's

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like the don't think I could compare it to like

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experiencing the screams that I've had is standing in front

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of a concert speaker, you know, like a four foot

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speaker on full blast, and that's what you feel the

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vibrations in your chest and your stomach.

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Speaker 4: I've heard that before.

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Speaker 5: And it's and it's your whole perspective of what's real

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what's not just comes to a complete halt. Then it's like, like,

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oh my god, these things are you know, these things

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are real, you know, because you know you're not. It changed.

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It changes your life. And like I said before, I

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almost wish I hadn't I didn't know that these things

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are real and out there. Yeah, because it changes. It

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changed my whole life. I was out. I used to

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go jump into the Adirondack Mountains anywhere, so you know,

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I used to hunt d Bar Mountain, Valdy Mountain, all

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over up to there, not even not even think twice

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about going, you know, in the deepest, darkest freaking swamps

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up to the side to the mountains, you know. And

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I haven't done that since the second time I got

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The third time I got screened, was up there up

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on Dbar Mountain with my boy. It's just it changes

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your life, that's all. There's I've heard the screams when

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they're mad at you, they don't want you in the area.

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It's like a sense of you're going to die if

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you don't leave, you are going to die and there's

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nothing you can do about it. You know, That's what

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it makes It makes you feel like. And then I

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have heard a different type of screen. Shortly after those

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researchers left, when they first came down, probably a month later,

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I'm working inside my big garage summertime, back to the

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back corner of my property, I'd say probably nine hundred

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maybe a thousand yards back, and I heard this like

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it was standing away from me, but it sounded like

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a man type of screen, but it was the volume

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was unbelievable, Like it was kind of a like a

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fight or die kind of screen, like it was going

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to fight for its life. And as soon as this

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that stream stopped, there was a whole pack of koy

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dogs fighting with it, you know there, I mean like

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a dozen dogs, coy dogs out there, barking, yipping, snapping, growling.

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You could hear them. They were going for probably a

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good fifteen twenty seconds. I'm thinking it was fighting one

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of those things, one of the bigfoots, and it started

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doing a higher pitch scream like you know, like ana

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like almost like a woman's type scream, and it would

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scream about every five six seven seconds. As it's running

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away from the koy dogs. It started heading east and

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I heard it probably three four more times. I knew

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it was running away from the pack of coy dogs,

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and eventually the screaming stopped. I didn't hear the coy

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dogs any longer, so I went in. I came home.

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I went in the house, grabbed my gun, put on

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some camouflage, went out and sat in my fields just

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see if something was coming back through, either KOI dog

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or whatever. And nothing. I went came back to the house,

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got dark to grab my truck, grab my youngest son

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because he wanted to come out and see, and we

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sat there and nothing. About eleven thirty. Soon as I

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pulled into the yard, that screaming continued. I the screaming

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started again. But what it did was the it came down.

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It's coming down right behind the houses, now probably seventy

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five hundred yard away from all the houses, down the

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side of the road, and it started coming back to

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the area with that one.

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Speaker 4: Did you is that one of the times you had

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a visual signing?

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Speaker 5: No, I hadn't had a visual yet.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's uh, if you don't mind, let's let's talk

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about that. When was your first visual and was it

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a daytime? Uh?

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Speaker 5: It was in the afternoon hunting season had started. I

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want to say maybe uh octobersh that same year when

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all everything started.

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Speaker 4: About eight years ago a property.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, about yeah, eight and a half or eight seven

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and a half to eight years ago.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more. But the big flipper board, we'll

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be right back.

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Speaker 5: It was when I was on my tractor Jaron hunting season,

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jumped on it, went out back, had my thirty out

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six with me and I'm driving down this headerow and

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I get to the point where I'm coming up to

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the neighbor's stone wall and there's a tree, or a

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good sized tree in there, and I saw what I

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thought was a person on two legs standing next to

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the tree, and it was all dark, and I actually

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I had the thirty out six on my left hand.

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I'm driving my right hand. Well, I'm getting within probably

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forty yards of it. I raised my hand and actually said, hey,

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how you doing? Waved at it. You know, this thing

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standing straight up and down with its arms and hands

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right down to its side. And as I'm getting closer,

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I see some type of discoloration on the left shoulder,

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like a white, whitish discolored whatever it was, I didn't

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know what it was at first on the left shoulder,

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and then I'm I'm seeing I'm not sure what it

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was at first, but I'm thinking to myself, this guy's

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wearing a gilly suit, like a sniper suit, because all

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the stuff was coming off the arms, on the inside

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of the arms, down along the torso, down through the

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neck and the shoulders and the head. And I'm sitting

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there and this thing had it everywhere all over its body.

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There was no jackets, no cuffs of a shirt, you know,

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hanging you can tell when somebody's wearing a suit or

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a shirt and jacket. I started to realize how fricking

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big this thing is. This thing was about eight foot tall,

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and the shoulders were probably if I had to gas

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four four and a half feet wide, you know, freaking unbelievable.

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And the part of the part of the neck, I

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couldn't see the face of the eyes because there was

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so much black hair coming off the head. It was

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all all I saw was black and see no eyeballs,

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no mouth, but between the ears and the shoulders it

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was all solid. It was all. It was nothing but muscle.

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If I had to guess, this thing was probably eight

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hundred pounds, give or take. I figured out a pretty

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good guess of weight. So I raised reading his cattle

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for about fifteen years. Here, you know, I caught my

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own hay. I raised cattle for about fifteen years. I

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don't know because it's too much work for me right now.

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But I sat this thing. As I'm driving up to it,

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I get right broadside of it, brought somely thirty feet

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and I'm still looking at the things I'm driving away.

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This thing did not flinch, did not move a finger,

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didn't move its arm didn't you know, just like a statue.

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Just stood there. Then I got a you know, as

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I'm driving away, and I'm like, oh, this is one

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of those things. And I got this sick feeling in

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my stomach. You know, it was like I didn't want

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to be in the area. I just drove right back home,

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even though I had a thirty out six in my

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hands and I probably could have, you know, I didn't

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even I didn't even think about bringing the gun down

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on It's just an overwhelming sense of just to get

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the hell out of the area, get the hell out

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of there, and get back to the house.

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Speaker 4: So it never crossed your mind to take a shot

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at this thing.

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Speaker 5: It did for a second, but due to the size

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of this thing and the way this thing was built,

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it was the most athletic, most powerful looking. You know,

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I didn't want to. You'd either have to have a

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killing dead shot, you know, kill that thing dead first shot,

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or you know, your life would be in jeopardy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and god, this is this is an ex combat

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marine talking too. So if it's that's how he feels,

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you know, maybe maybe it's how we should all feel,

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you know, these things. From from everything I've heard, it's

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not real easy to take these things down. And if

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your life just isn't if if it's not a case

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of your life is in danger, maybe you should just

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let them go, you know, don't even try it.

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Speaker 5: Just my opinion, yep. Like like you said, I would

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fire on one if I absolutely had to, But after

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I drove away from that thing, I was It's hard

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to explain when you see something that close and you

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realize what you're looking at and there's no going back

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to you know, not knowing it's you know, I've heard

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a lot of guys that you know, I would have

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shot it. I would have shot it. I said, yeah,

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I'm sure you probably would have. But the thing that

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I remembered after that was, you know, before when those

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researchers up here and they said they the tree knocks,

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they got three different responses after they did the tree

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knock from three different areas. So this these things aren't alone.

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I believe that they live in family groups. You know,

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there's juveniles, there's females, there's younger ones. And I truly

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believe in my heart that if you harm or injure

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one of them, you you're gonna have one of those

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other ones coming at you. Mock three through the woods

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and take your head.

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Speaker 4: On the nose, brother on the nose. That's my thought, exactly.

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You better be a great shot, and you better get

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the heck out of there, because the one that you

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if you're lucky enough to take it down with one shot,

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that one that you just dropped, isn't your worries anymore.

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It's the three or four that you didn't see that's

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coming after you at this point. No, Yeah, just my opinion, yep.

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Speaker 5: One other part, I just wanted to get into a

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little little bit is after me and that other researcher.

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We got the rock thrown at us. We didn't go

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into that chunk of woods. We took an op We

476
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,839
went opposite of the trail, went into another chunk of woods,

477
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,559
over another little knoll, and up into the side of

478
00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:17,880
a swamp. And when we got into there, my mosquito

479
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,319
headnet got taken right off my head. And we're going

480
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,119
through the woods no flashlights. I pretty much knew where

481
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720
I was because I'd hunted through there before. We didn't

482
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,839
see nothing the rest of the night. They stayed a

483
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,400
couple more days when they get ready. When they got

484
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,680
ready to leave, one of the guys said, why don't

485
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,079
you try putting some food up in some tree hanging

486
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,000
up highs highs you can reach, you know, stand on

487
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,400
top of your four wheel or whatever, tie some food

488
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,200
off to some to a tree and put a game

489
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440
camera up there. I said, okay, So I did that

490
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:51,680
one game camera, and I loaded this maple tree up

491
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,440
with all sorts of stuff hanging off it, cookies, cheese,

492
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,640
bags of chips, hot dogs, chicken, and you name it.

493
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,160
I'd come back the next day to check it. Food

494
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,920
to be gone. My camera would fire all night long,

495
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,240
right through until frigging sun comes up. And I got

496
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:20,400
that happened probably two three times, and I'm like, my god,

497
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,640
what is going on? And I wasn't you know, I

498
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,119
wasn't getting pictured. There's no bears in this area. I've

499
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,400
never seen a bear in the last since I've moved

500
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,759
here on any of my game camera trails or game cameras.

501
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,440
And it did it, like I said, did two more times.

502
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,799
And I called the researcher up and I said, they're

503
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,400
taking the food. My camera's not fast enough to catch

504
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,839
these things coming through ripping the food off, and he goes, well,

505
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,839
tape the food up there, and I said, okay. Next

506
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,240
time I did, I did wrap some electrical taper out it.

507
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,920
The things are still coming through ripping the food off,

508
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,559
and I called the guy back. I said, there's still

509
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:58,400
they're still taking the stuff and my camera's not fast

510
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000
enough to get these things. He goes, we'll kind of

511
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,720
tape you use, and I said electrical. He goes, use

512
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,839
duct tape this time. By that time, I got two

513
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,720
more cameras from my brother. I put three cameras around

514
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:13,720
this tree that I was feeding. Out of three opposite cameras,

515
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,440
all watching the tree. I went there one morning, eleven

516
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,440
o'clock in the morning with my daughter, she was nine,

517
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,079
my youngest son was five years old. I brought a

518
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,359
bunch of food with me, went to the tree. Some

519
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,400
of the food had been gone taken. I pulled three

520
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160
SD cards out of my cameras and I put some

521
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,559
new food up. I came back to the house with

522
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:39,640
the kids, checked the SD cards, downloaded them real quick.

523
00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:42,759
I didn't see any kind of anything that would indicate

524
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,200
any kind of body parts or whatever for these things.

525
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,240
But the camera's worth still firing at nighttime with nothing

526
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,240
in the frame. So I went back to the back

527
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,039
down into the woods on the edge of the swamp,

528
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440
hooked up to the cameras, made sure the settings were good.

529
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,559
And I'm sitting there messing with third camera and my

530
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:03,559
two younger kids, my nine year old and my five

531
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,000
year old are probably thirty feet away from me, playing

532
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,480
in the woods, standing on the tree, checking the camera,

533
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,720
and all of a sudden, one of those things screamed

534
00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,279
at us from about sixty seventy yards in the woods,

535
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,759
and I mean it went right through my body. I mean,

536
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,799
the only thing I did honest to god, I just

537
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,039
hung my head, thinking we are gonna die, because that's

538
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,920
a kind of angry you're gonna, you know, get out

539
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,079
of this area kind of scream. I put my head

540
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:37,039
down for a second. I'm like, oh my god, and

541
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,440
then there's something kicked in said, hey, your kids. I

542
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,960
bought my head back up. Both my kids were frozen

543
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,759
looking into the woods where the scream came from. I

544
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,359
yelled at my kids. I said, come on, guys, we

545
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,480
got to go. I took that camera. I placed that

546
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:56,240
camera at about seven feet high in the tree. Kids got

547
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,359
on the four wheeler there. One of them was crying,

548
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,559
and we took off out of it there and I

549
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,359
came back the next day pulled all three SD cards.

550
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,720
That very last SD card I pulled had what appeared

551
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,359
to be a section of a shoulder, arm, possibly elbow

552
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400
area covered with black hair going by at that height

553
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,680
ten minutes after we left, and uh, you know, like

554
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,200
some of the food have been gone again. But that

555
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,799
was that was probably the scariest encounter I've had with

556
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,319
these things, when they screamed up me and the kids.

557
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,799
If do you know that video I told you about

558
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,759
that I had on YouTube yes, sir. The very last

559
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,640
picture that you see on that camera of the black

560
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,240
what looks like a black arm, is that going by

561
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,359
I believe, I believe it to be one of those

562
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,240
arms at that height.

563
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,519
Speaker 4: Now this one, that the one that you saw that

564
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,160
you got the visual on. How well did you see

565
00:30:59,200 --> 00:30:59,640
the face?

566
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: All I could I could not see eyeballs or the

567
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,200
mouth or nose. It was covered with black hair, like

568
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
I said, was coming off everywhere on it. This one

569
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:13,559
was black black hair. It wasn't you know. There's no

570
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,799
discoloration to it except for the white discoloration on the shoulder.

571
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,839
There's two spots on the left shoulder that had white

572
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:22,440
kind of patches on it. But other than that, everything

573
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,559
was black. You know. The hands, the knuckles were turned

574
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:29,720
towards me, right down alongside its knees face me.

575
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:31,519
Speaker 4: So hair was covering the face.

576
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I could tell I. You know, I couldn't

577
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,880
see no eyes. I didn't see no blinking.

578
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: And tell me again the just your estimate on the

579
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:43,480
size of it.

580
00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:50,359
Speaker 5: I went back later and actually got to where it

581
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
was standing next to and its head was at least

582
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:57,160
eight feet up and the shoulders were like I said,

583
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,960
at least four feet wide, and it was and it

584
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,119
was a thick upper chest and the waste come down

585
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,440
to it was an athletic built. You know that he

586
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:10,559
was in his prime.

587
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: Well a foot tall, four foot at the shoulders. You

588
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,519
just described a sheet of pa wood. Yeah, you know what,

589
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,640
So imagine a sheet of plywood standing in the woods

590
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,559
facing you. You know, an animal that big that that's

591
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000
changed your drawers. Scary?

592
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 5: Oh, yes it is. You know, like I said before,

593
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,839
everything I've been through in my life, I wasn't afraid

594
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,279
of nothing that walked this earth until I had a

595
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,880
visual with that thing at you know, approximately thirty feet.

596
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160
Over the years, we've slept with our windows open here

597
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,680
at the house, and I've been walking up probably three

598
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,640
four times in the middle of the night from these

599
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,759
things outside, not out right outside the house, but within

600
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,319
you know, I say, third of a mile, quarter of

601
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,599
a mile, half of my mile away from us, screaming

602
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400
back and forth to each other out in the swamps.

603
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,599
And it sounds it sounds like a fire siren going

604
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,039
off at a firehouse. You got that long drawn and

605
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:18,599
it's unbelievably loud. Have you heard have you heard the ohio?

606
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:26,440
How uh? I think I have is that that That's

607
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,079
what came to me.

608
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: What's that?

609
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, you mean no how?

610
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,799
Speaker 4: They've been recording called the Ohio How. There's an Ohio

611
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,000
grass man. Yeah, that's just a name for for a

612
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,759
big foot up there. But there's a recording that's called

613
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,759
the Ohio How. And it sounds like an air raid

614
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,400
siren going off. Yep, And that that's what came to

615
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,559
mind when when you said that, did did it sound

616
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,400
something like that?

617
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep. I've heard that occasionally, like when they're trying

618
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,599
I don't know if it's a locator call that they're

619
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:03,359
trying to ok at each other or whatever, but I

620
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,799
have heard that a probably half a dozen times here

621
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,360
over the years. Now, that was.

622
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 4: That was your first siding. So I'm not trying to

623
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,519
rush you through.

624
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,559
Speaker 5: You know, we we've got an hour.

625
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 4: We can go a little bit over, but it sounds

626
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,519
like we're might have to have you back.

627
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:21,199
Speaker 5: Just let me know.

628
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,599
Speaker 4: Think Okay, very good, Very good. So we got through

629
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,119
one of your sidings. Did do you care to, uh

630
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,599
to talk about your next one? Your next daytime siding?

631
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 5: That one was a real simple one. Brought the kids

632
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,760
to school probably two years ago coming back down my road,

633
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360
bright blue sky morning, I don't know, probably at nine

634
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,880
o'clock in the morning, nine thirty in the morning, I'm

635
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:54,360
coming down back to the house, and I saw something

636
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,239
come off the right side of the road that was

637
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,239
very tall, probably at least eight foot, dark colored, blackish,

638
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,320
real slim, and it across the road right in front

639
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,840
of me, from right to left. The thing I noticed

640
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:16,320
about this sighting was it wasn't It didn't walk right

641
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,079
like a human would walk. You got your up and down,

642
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:21,679
a little bit of a movement when you got somebody

643
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,119
walk in front of you, you know, a little bit,

644
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,719
a little bit of a bob up and down. This

645
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,280
thing was like it was on roller skates. There was

646
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,159
no up and down. It just like glided across the

647
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,679
road into the next patch of woods across the road

648
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,440
in front of me. I probably got within one hundred

649
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,320
and seventy five yards of it when it did it.

650
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:44,960
After a while I thought about it and I looked,

651
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,400
and there was you know, I couldn't see it on

652
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,719
when it across the road because on that section of road,

653
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,679
that is the only place on this road that anything

654
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,840
could cross from from one side of the woods to

655
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,440
the other without being seen by a house or a

656
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,039
car or not. I can't say car, but a house

657
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,760
that was good. There's only a section probably probably seventy

658
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,760
five yards long where there's no houses that can see

659
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:13,079
into that area. That was the second, you know, daytime sighting,

660
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:13,519
I've seen.

661
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,199
Speaker 4: Okay, are you doing any top of any kind of

662
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,800
research out there.

663
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:25,519
Speaker 5: Or I've been mostly after my first experience and seeing

664
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,840
that thing, I told, like I told Jerrealier when I

665
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,079
talked to you, I ended up buying a thermal scope.

666
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,679
I got an ATM four four power military grade scope

667
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,559
that you came out on a rifle. But and I've

668
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,199
gone out back. I've gone all over the place with

669
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,480
other friends of mine that I worked with, that I

670
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,360
used to work with I just retired the other day.

671
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,760
I'd go out back at night, a lot of hours

672
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,840
of the night just looking around. And on two occasions

673
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,400
I have caught one of these things on both sides

674
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,519
of my property, like tree peeking, hiding behind a tree

675
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,000
where you catch the head, you catch the head movement

676
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,719
and you catch a little bit of the shoulder and

677
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
the leg, you know, seeing that on two occasions here,

678
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,360
I've actually got another part of something that was huge.

679
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,199
I don't know if it was one of them or not,

680
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,239
but and I go. I've gone to different pieces of property.

681
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,079
You know, I worked the place I worked at, I

682
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,719
had probably three hundred and sixty odd co workers that

683
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,480
I work with. When I started saying to a few people,

684
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:31,760
and you know this, this is going on at my place.

685
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,760
I saw this, and you know, you get to you

686
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,400
get the usual ridicule, guys making funny and cracking jokes,

687
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,519
and now you're you know this or that whatever, And

688
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:42,280
I stuck to I stuck to my guns. I don't

689
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,719
care what anybody thinks anymore. I know what I see,

690
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,679
I know what I know. You know, And I've actually

691
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,760
had about thirty semid people come up to me when

692
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,840
I'm alone, and they'll tell me their experiences. You know,

693
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,840
I saw this, I heard this. I and some of

694
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,400
were It's scary, if not more scary than my you know,

695
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,320
my experiences up here throughout the whole, you know, the

696
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,920
north part, northern part of New York State. And they

697
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,599
don't want to say nothing to out in public with

698
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
you know, the other people that we worked with because

699
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:15,880
they didn't like the harassment and stuff.

700
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 4: But and it's it's a shame that it's still like that,

701
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,199
you know, I mean it's twenty twenty. Yeah, I mean

702
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,559
things have gotten better. It definitely is more talked about

703
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:30,800
subject nowadays.

704
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 5: Right.

705
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,599
Speaker 4: You know, it's a shame that that people still have

706
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,639
to feel, you know, like they can't talk about what

707
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,440
they witness for fear of ridicule. Oh yeah, it just sucks.

708
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,480
I mean it's cool that that we have places now

709
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,639
for people to go and share their their encounters and stuff.

710
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:51,519
Speaker 5: So that's cool. Yeah.

711
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: How many acres did you say you guys had you

712
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:55,760
have a family farm?

713
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 5: Is that right? Yeah? We bought eighty seven acre farm

714
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:05,239
and we got here and I've had horses and then

715
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,679
I got into the cattle. I've had twenty three twenty

716
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:12,159
four head of cattle at one time. Red angus. You know,

717
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,039
a reason for beef and stuff. I did that for,

718
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,079
like I said, twelve fourteen, fifteen years. I can tell

719
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:20,960
you one more story with the cattle. Got home from

720
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,119
work at night one night, about ten thirty quarter to eleven.

721
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,239
My wife had just got home with the kids, and

722
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,960
she did some grocery shopping. We got a shepherd and

723
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,960
she hooked the shepherd on the chain off the back porch,

724
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,559
which is not very far away from where my pasture

725
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,280
is by the barn. As soon as I stepped out

726
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,079
of my truck, I could hear my shepherd going crazy.

727
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:45,079
I mean like she's like she's trying to get at

728
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,599
something that's, you know, trying to hurt the family or whatever.

729
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,599
She was on Hilert barking almost out of her mind,

730
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,239
and I'm like, what is wrong with what's wrong with

731
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,079
the dog? My wife goes, oh, I don't know. I

732
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:58,599
just put her out. She's on her chain off the

733
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:59,039
back porch.

734
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I know, stay tuned for more. But

735
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,360
the big foot were for We'll be right back.

736
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: And I came into the house and I opened up

737
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,199
the sliding rear door. I looked out, she's right at

738
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:17,199
the end of her chain, just NonStop. So I went

739
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,880
and grabbed a flashlight, went over to the dog, and

740
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,480
she's pointed more towards my barn. But I took my

741
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,599
flashlight and I'm shining it out there in my pasture,

742
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,719
and every one of my cows were on their feet

743
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:35,840
looking towards the barn. And I had bowls almost fifteen

744
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,920
hundred pounds at the time. The other two were anywhere

745
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,800
from a thy twelve hundred pounds, and all the haffers,

746
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,679
all the calves, every single one of the cows were

747
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,800
on their feet looking towards the barn. They didn't even

748
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,239
look at me walking up to the fence line, and

749
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,239
I'm like, what in the heck are they looking at?

750
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,480
And I take my flashlight and I come across the barn.

751
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:57,639
I had three trees behind the barn, right on the

752
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,920
corner of the fence. I caught a set of glowing

753
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,239
amber eyeballs reflection u up in the tree, about twenty

754
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,800
five feet up in the tree, probably the size of

755
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:13,960
tennis balls, if I had to guess, wow, yep, And

756
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:19,400
they blinked both of the same time, and I'm like, oh, man,

757
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:26,360
don't tell me. So I took the flashlight off. I

758
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,000
went back into the house, grabbed a gun, headlamp, flashlight,

759
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,960
grabbed a leash for the dog, put the leash on

760
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,920
the dog, and I started, you know, the flashlight, checking

761
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,719
the trees and didn't see nothing. Walk right over the

762
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,679
barn and the base of the trees. My dog. She

763
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,079
put her nose right down to the ground. She sniffed

764
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:48,599
for second and half two seconds and basically pulled me

765
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:51,239
back into the house. She didn't want nothing to do

766
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,599
with that area, you know where we're I don't know

767
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:56,880
if something had traveled there to get into the trees

768
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,320
or whatever, but did realize that these things climbed trees. Now,

769
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,400
it's just scary. I've had my house. My house has

770
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,760
been hit a few times on the side, you know,

771
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,440
something coming by, boom, and I mean the whole wall

772
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,719
would shake just a single hit. I've had. You know,

773
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,480
my pool was crushed one one corner of it. Something

774
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,199
had leaned down on top of the pool. It was

775
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,639
like a five or a five foot above ground pool.

776
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,079
One of the things had been bent because something had

777
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,840
pushed on it, leaned on it. Whatever.

778
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: But now do you do anything? Do you take any

779
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,280
steps to deter them from coming up to your property,

780
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,280
to you to your house?

781
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 5: A year and a half ago, I get there's a

782
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,840
couple other funny things. It's almost like they're messing with

783
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,840
me now, you know occasionally when they when when I

784
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239
do go out back or something, I'll tell you something

785
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,039
laughter here. But I ended up getting three Doberman's and

786
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,960
a rottweiler, and I've got my shepherd, and I've got

787
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,079
the electronic collars on them, so they got a perimeter

788
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,039
around the house. They can get outside at any time,

789
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,239
and they do. They their minds when they go outside

790
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,920
outside at times at night and they're just barking off

791
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,960
into the you know, NonStop for ten, fifteen, twenty minutes whatever,

792
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:12,440
and then they'll come back in after things calm down.

793
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,000
But I haven't had anything close to the house since

794
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,480
I've had the dogs. Okay, the other you know, the shepherd,

795
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,679
They still did it with the shepherd. I had a

796
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,960
shepherd in here, and you know, I get the corner

797
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,480
of my house. Hit stuff would be thrown against my

798
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,159
big pole barn, you know, chunks of rock or whatever.

799
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,039
At night, we'd be out with a little fire with

800
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,880
the kids and you hear something hit the wall in

801
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,760
the barn from the outside.

802
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,159
Speaker 4: How do you feel about I know you talked about

803
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,199
leaving some food out once or twice. How do you

804
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,079
feel about gifting, especially if it's on your private property.

805
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 5: That's that's another thing I wanted to talk to mentioned

806
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,280
a little part here. When I was with that researcher

807
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,960
and I took I said, we went in the opposite

808
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,320
direction and I ended up losing my head net, my

809
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,239
mosquito head net. I got caught on aviron or something.

810
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,639
We never I never turned on my light to look

811
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,320
for it or whatever because I didn't want to use lights.

812
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,079
Three years ago, so that was done. That was about.

813
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,320
That was done. Eight years ago. I lost my mosquito

814
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,079
head net or about maybe seven and a half up

815
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:24,679
in another chunk of property, and I started. I changed

816
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,079
trees to where I fed these things. I'd hanging food

817
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,159
up in a different area. I would go out there

818
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,280
just before dart hang up another bag of apples or

819
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,239
potatoes or rolls or whatever I had, and I hung

820
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,519
it on a tree. And I had a game camera there,

821
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,239
and I had an audio recorder digital recorder. I'd hang

822
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,679
up there too. I went up there one night anyways

823
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,199
and write it just before dark, hung the food up.

824
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,079
I looked down at the base of that tree, and

825
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,920
one of those things brought my mosquito headnt back and

826
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,400
put it at the base of the tree.

827
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: Wow.

828
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 5: That was that. That was a scary moment for me, because

829
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,920
you know, I'm thinking these things are just animals and

830
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,320
they don't that. I'm like, holy cow, these things can

831
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,880
think they're they're trying to either thank me for leaving

832
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,400
them food or trying to give you to keep leaving

833
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,039
them food out. Yeah, and that was that was that

834
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:29,039
right there was almost as important as seeing the one

835
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,920
that I saw, you know, just knowing that they that

836
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,559
they think like that. But that was eye opening.

837
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: Oh bet absolutely.

838
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: I went out. I went out back hunting with my

839
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,760
my two younger ones, uh three years ago, and we

840
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,400
sat right in the middle of the hedgerow. I had

841
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,440
fields behind me, field in front of me. I went

842
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,280
out there. I had my thermo with me. I had

843
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,480
to set of binoculars and we're just sitting on top

844
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
of these cellphone balls I had. We'd be sitting there,

845
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,159
we weren't there probably ten minutes. We're looking in one

846
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:04,440
direction and behind us, in the back corner of my

847
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,480
other field, we started hearing tree knocking, you know, whack whack, whack,

848
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:12,280
black quack on a tree, and my kids go, Dad,

849
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,840
they're at it again. I'm like, I know, just don't

850
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,199
pay attention to them, and they stopped. They did it again,

851
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,599
and then I turned around with the binoculars and I'm

852
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:26,679
looking in the corner of the woods trying to you know,

853
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,559
just to let them know that I'm looking at them.

854
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,440
I know they're there. Then I took my thermal out

855
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,559
and I'm sitting there, you know, and so you can

856
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,119
still see pretty good. I'm sitting there with a thermal

857
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,960
looking and everything stopped and I sat back down, and

858
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,440
another like a minute will go by, then they'd start

859
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,719
in again. And my kids are like, the kids are

860
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,960
starting to get scared because they know what's out in

861
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,719
the woods, and my daughter had seen them three times already.

862
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,280
I got up and I actually walked out in the

863
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,599
field and just started, you know, just talking gibberish, wave

864
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:07,800
my arms like whatever, just actingly stupid to see if

865
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,920
they you know that, get them out of there. And

866
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,880
my kids like, Dad, don't do it, don't do it.

867
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,199
I didn't have a gun with me, you know. I

868
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:16,920
didn't want to scare them, the the things out in

869
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,840
the woods. I came back, sat down, and it started

870
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,320
doing it again, started tree knocking in my back right corner,

871
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,440
and then all of a sudden, about seventy five hundred

872
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,840
yards down down that hedgerow or down inside the woodline,

873
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:34,079
another one started knocking. There's two of them knocking back

874
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,039
and forth. Just I don't know if they're just screwing

875
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,440
with us thinking it was funny or whatever, but that

876
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:42,360
was kind of that was kind of funny for a

877
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:42,760
little bit.

878
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I wonder if they don't have a sense,

879
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,719
a bit of a sense of humor. And I've heard

880
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,440
a lot of people think that they do that, that

881
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,880
we're their entertainment. Yep, and I can I could see that.

882
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:54,719
I could see that.

883
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,599
Speaker 5: Yep. Uh.

884
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 4: John, we on over an hour, buddy, which is typical.

885
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,840
We usually go over a little over an hour. But

886
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,920
I get the feeling You've got a lot more to

887
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,000
talk talk about.

888
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 5: I got a few more stories.

889
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,639
Speaker 4: Do you have a couple more yourself? And you said

890
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,000
your wife has had some encounters, your kids have had

891
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,719
some So yeah, I'd like to have you back for

892
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,639
a part two. What do you think about that?

893
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:21,559
Speaker 5: No problem, you just tell me where and when. I

894
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,880
got all sorts of time in my hands. Now I

895
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,679
got the calendar out.

896
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: Now we got our fiftieth episode next week. I'm gonna

897
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,360
talk a little bit more about that, and after I'll

898
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,719
let you go here in just a second, but that

899
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,800
scheduled for the ninth the following Monday will be the sixteenth,

900
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,119
I think you want to come back on not this

901
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,280
next Monday, but a week from that Monday.

902
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 5: I think you can do that. I'll remind you, yeah, yeah,

903
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,239
just send me a reminder of your Facebook messenger or

904
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,519
whatever and remind me and we'll be good.

905
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:56,079
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm putting it in right now, John Part two.

906
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,440
All right, got you down, buddy, and uh again, appreciate

907
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,000
you coming on tonight and and sharing some of your stories.

908
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,559
Speaker 5: Yep.

909
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm glad we got the technical stuff worked out because

910
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,519
I was disappointed when it didn't look like we were

911
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:16,400
going to get you. But we got to figure it out,

912
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,320
so we should be good to go next time too. Right, Okay,

913
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:24,599
all right, buddy, I sure do appreciate it, and I

914
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,079
hope that you will have a good night. Yeah, that's it, buddy.

915
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:28,920
We'll talk to you later.

916
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 5: Okay then, yeah, have a good one, all.

917
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: Right, buddy, you too.

918
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,679
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919
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,039
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Speaker 6: Food of the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long

938
00:50:55,039 --> 00:51:02,440
at end of day, Bigfoots call on the whispering breathe.

939
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:10,440
Secrets kept by ancient trees, dog Man House beneath the

940
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:20,360
moon echoes in the silent dune. Tracks weave five but

941
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:36,000
answers none. A hunt for truth that's just begun. We're

942
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:42,559
searching past the fire light. Four creatures hidden out of

943
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:51,239
sight in the forest. Hardware, shadows lay seeking seecrets in

944
00:51:51,280 --> 00:52:04,199
the twilight, through the fall shape did Gly skin Walker.

945
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:11,360
I show wide legends of Oh we chase to night

946
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:19,360
in the dark. Our lanterns bright by the creek, l

947
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:28,320
water spill whispers, rye, the windsow chill full, steep man

948
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,079
tails on toll.

949
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 7: In this land, the myths of O.

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Speaker 6: We're searching past the fire light full creatures hidden out

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of sight, in the forest heart, where shadows lay, seeking seek.

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It's in the twilight, breaking