Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or.
Speaker 3: Sneaking up on them.
Speaker 2: As soon as you walk in the woods. Do you
walk in their front door thinking that you are going
to surprise them? You're only kidding yourself.
Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share their story,
a listening bear, a support pold for those who have
held their own encounters with that which is not supposed
to exist.
Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all lined, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 4: Mister John, how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 5: Not you, by gentlemen. How you doing doing well?
Speaker 4: Doing well? Audio sounds great, there's no feedback, everything is perfect.
I'm glad you got that worked out, buddy. I was
excited to have you.
Speaker 5: That only fifteen year old daughter got it all fixed.
Speaker 4: That's what it takes. That's what it takes. Actually, when
you told me that you were having problems, my my
almost twenty year old daughter is here with me. She
spent a couple of days with me and had her
show me, try to walk me through it on her phone.
You know how. Maybe I could get with you and
tell you what to do. But I'm glad. I'm glad
you got to figure it out.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: So, John, you are up in New York State? Is
that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Right up down the Canadian border, probably about a
mile away from the Saint Lawrence River as far north
as you can go on the top left side of
the state.
Speaker 4: Now, is that near the Adironducks.
Speaker 5: I'm probably probably twenty five thirty minutes away from the
foothills of the Adirondacks. I could be there within a
half hour.
Speaker 4: Okay, very cool, very cool. Now, roughly how many you know,
just off top of your head, how many in camp
owners with with these things would you say you've had.
Speaker 5: In your life? Oh my god, I've had two visual
sightings daytime. I've had two nighttime sightings through my thermal
uh scope that I've got. My kids have seen them
four times, wife has seen them twice.
Speaker 4: So it's a family if the huh.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah, they're they're definitely here. When they're here,
they're here. You know, they'll come through the area. They'll
spend anywhere is up to a week, two weeks, you know,
when they're here, because they're they're not going to stay
here constantly. They'll move on there, you know, Like I'm
sure you guys know, uh, probably nomadic and behavior, you know,
travel through the area. And uh. The first time I
saw one, I didn't even believe in it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: I was on my tractor hunting. Other times, it just
happens so quick, so fast, that you don't have time
to even think about getting your camera out or your
cell phone.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, John, that's actually what's gonna be one of
my questions here? My next question. I wanted you was
going to get you to go over that first encounter,
and I wanted to know up before that encounter what
your knowledge of the subject was. But before you get
into that first off, before I forget, let me, I
want to thank you. Take the time and thank you
for your service.
Speaker 5: Thank you. You were a.
Speaker 4: Combat marine yep, and you were also in law enforcement
for several years. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Thirty three years?
Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, so you have put in your time serving
and protecting and making sure that we were all safe
and taken care of. And I appreciate that, sir, Thank
you very much.
Speaker 5: Reserves man, Yeah, thank you. All right.
Speaker 4: Like I was saying, that first encounter, what was your
level of knowledge? Were you a believer and what happened
just you know, walk us into it.
Speaker 5: Oh, I can't say I was a believer the first
you know, I did notice. I didn't know about the
Patterson Gimlin film. I've seen that a couple of times,
you know, coming growing up in TV. Other than that,
I've read a few books here and there. But it
was more of a curiosity type, you know, you know,
trying to find out about these things, and there was
no definite, solid proof, you know that I can that
I could say that I knew for a fact that
these things were real. You know, it comes as a
shock when you first see these things. I almost, honest
to god, I almost wish I had never seen it
and known about these things, because this is like it's
consuming everything I do. You know, when I'm outside out
in the woods hunting, or you know, if I'm driving
or anywhere, I'm constantly looking in the woods in the fields,
you know, while you're traveling. But you know, like I said,
never never knew of any, haven't heard of any, never
really noticed them, you know, any any type of contact
with the wood knocks or any of that stuff. When
I first moved to this property back in two thousand
and then two and I started hunting, uh, I kept
hearing knocks when I go outside with you know, during
hunting season, and I thought, I, you know, had an
overabundance of the polated woodpeckers. You ever see the big ones,
the big woodpackers. Yeah, I thought I thought that was
what was going on. I'd hear that, you know, whack whack, whack,
black whack whack whack of a tree, and it just
you know, every time I go out in the woods
during hunting season, i'd hear it. Other than that, approximately
eight years ago, yesterday was my first encounter.
Speaker 4: How long ago did you say? How many years?
Speaker 5: Eight years ago?
Speaker 4: Eight years ago?
Speaker 5: Okay? Yeah, I actually shot a deer Halloween night, just
before dark, and I didn't recover it right off, went out,
brought the kids trick or treating next morning. I get
up dark in the morning, walk out to my tree stand.
I'm sitting there just to the point where you can
just barely see and from the edge, I'm sitting on
a hedgerow. I've got like eighty seven acres farm surrounded
by swamp on the left side, on the right side
out in front of me. Anyways, I'm sitting there and
I heard four screams from about one hundred and sixty
yards out in front of me. And I have never
in my entire life heard anything like that before. The
only thing I could picture was standing in front of
an African bowl elephant elephant as it's roaring at you.
That's the volume, that's the I could feel the noise
in my chest and my stomach. It was, you know,
like a vibration type thing going on, and it did
it four times, then it stopped. Then all of a sudden,
I heard a Koi dog coming from the left side
of my property out of the swamp, yipping, growling, barking,
and it broke into the field and started going right
straight to where this noise came from. And this Koi dog,
it was a good size koit dog, big male, I assume,
and it got about fifty yards from the corner of
where this thing was screaming and just stood there growling.
In the wide open you can, I could hear the
dog growling, and I kind of forgot about the noise
and n shot the Koi dog because they prey on
the deer and the fawns and all that other stuff
up here. Kind of kind of forgot about the growling
or the screams prior to that. Get down, and I
started looking for the deer that I shot the night before,
going through the swamp uh on the left side of
my proper. I covered about thirty five acres forty acres
of swamp over there, and I came upon the deer
that I had shot the night before. And when I
realized where I was. I looked down the koy dog
had come from that deer. So I broke out into
the field, walked over, and sure enough, the koy dog
had blood stuff all over his muscle and stuff he
had been feeding on that deer. And that got me
to thinking, what what in God's name is going to
scream like that and get a coy dog to come
off fresh kill like that. I've never you know, I
didn't even think it was a big foot, a sasquatch
or nothing. At that time, I'm like, what the heck
is it?
Speaker 4: But now you aren't a believer in bigfoot rat?
Speaker 5: No, I've never even never even crossed my mind anytime.
And I've hunted a lot. My father used to take
me hunting, probably since I was like eight nine years
old up and thea around neck mountains. We've hunted, We've
killed bear before, we've killed deer. You know, we've seen
bob kats my entire life, you know, until I joined
the service, got back and resumed picked up where I
left off, you know, with the hunting and stuff. From
seeing what happened, experiencing that, I started thinking, you know,
you know, it had that it entered my mind said
that you know, what if it was? What if these
things are real? And I actually ended up contacting another
group through the internet. About three months after that. One
of their investigators called me started asking me a whole
bunch of questions, and he started naming off sections of
towns and around all around me that I'm like, how
how does this guy know all this places around me?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: I just told him roughly where I lived, and he
started naming off stuff like within half a mile of me,
you know, And I said, why do you why do
you know all these places up here? He goes, well,
we were up there last year. There's a guy that
is approximately a mile away from you that we've been
up there for a couple of years, and uh, we've
been doing some investigator over his place. He lives over
by the Saint Lawrence River. I'm like, okay, I never
knew that I didn't know the guy. But eventually they
they came up and they introduced me to this guy.
And he's a good guy, you know, he's uh he
lives right down into the the bigger swamp near the
Saint Lawrence River and they'd cast tracks over at his place.
They took fifteen fifteen half inch casts of some prints
that they had set up at like a food like
a baiting station or whatever you want to call it,
off a tree and uh. They also got a set
of smaller casts, approximately eight to nine inches of a
juvenile you know, younger one. So later on, later in
the year they planned on coming up. They came up
here to do for a couple of two three days.
And they were here for three days and I showed them,
I got brought him onto my property. I showed him
where I heard the screen from basically, and that's basically
all I knew all I could tell him. When I
got here. That night, I was in another town. We
had a family funeral. I got home about ten thirty
that night. There was the two invests. There was two investigators.
One guy had used the electronics. Guy had all the gear,
the thermal, the cameras, the listening devices, the parabolic dishes
and stuff. And it was the other homeowner. I got here,
he said, come on out back, don't use no flashlight.
Was a full moon that night. Two of the guys
were at the edge of the hedgerow. The other head investigator,
he was walking along a parallel along the edge of
the woods, went over to him, asked him how it's going.
What's going on? He said, well, when we first got
here at dark, he goes, we tried tree knocking, and
he goes, we got three separate responses back. We got
one from the left side of your property down in
the swamp, We got one from out in front of
where the other two guys were standing, and we had
one from the back right side of my property, one
right after the other. Apparently I wasn't there. I didn't
hear it. And he also said that he had gotten
something to whistle back from the woods. There was something
shadowing them inside the tree line, probably, he said, forty
fifty yards. They couldn't see it, but he said when
he'd go, it would go, and he'd stop it stop.
He corded some low level grumbling or something to some
kind of I don't know if it was voices or
they were talking the things were talking back and forth
between each other or whatever, But he said that I
got on that on tape. I didn't hear that either.
The head guy suggested that I'd go into the neighbor's
property over the stone wall and try to do like
a little deer drive to him see if I can
either kick something out or whatever. And that property over
there has got I don't know if you guys are
experienced with thorn apple trees and brush and vines and
some of the thickest stuff I've ever seen in my life,
you know, for property. But anyways, we ended up going
to the corner of my property and walked down this
little tractor path. The other two guys, the electronics guy
and the other homeowner were overwatching an overgrown metal on
the right side of my property that borders my property
ten acres, and me and the head our researcher, we
walked down this tractor path headed north and we stopped
because we're going to go in at a different angle
into that chunk of property just to see if we
can get a response or you know, something catch something
on thermal. And as soon as we stopped then this
was twelve o'clock, twelve thirty nine, I think we ended
up getting a rock thrown at us from that chunk
of woods that we were about to go into. Something
through a rock, the rock hit a tree, bounced off,
hit another tree, and landed within thirty feet of us.
The ground and the head researcher suggested that we not
go in there because of because they did throw it
at us. But uh, he reached into his pocket, pulled
out a grapefruit and he fired it right back into
the woods. And I asked him, I said, you want
to find a rock and throw it back at him?
He goes, no, we probably don't want to get into
a rock fight with these things, you know.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: I'm like, makes sense.
Speaker 4: Now, Uh, if you don't mind, Let's let's go back
a little bit. Let's talk about these screams that you heard.
I have heard many people describe these screams as sounding
like a woman being murdered, maybe just just terrible screams.
Was it anything like that or was it like a growl?
Would you say.
Speaker 5: This was? This was a cross between a grizzly, the
biggest grizzly you could picture, and a large doult male
lion turned up to like ten on a value. It's
like the don't think I could compare it to like
experiencing the screams that I've had is standing in front
of a concert speaker, you know, like a four foot
speaker on full blast, and that's what you feel the
vibrations in your chest and your stomach.
Speaker 4: I've heard that before.
Speaker 5: And it's and it's your whole perspective of what's real
what's not just comes to a complete halt. Then it's like, like,
oh my god, these things are you know, these things
are real, you know, because you know you're not. It changed.
It changes your life. And like I said before, I
almost wish I hadn't I didn't know that these things
are real and out there. Yeah, because it changes. It
changed my whole life. I was out. I used to
go jump into the Adirondack Mountains anywhere, so you know,
I used to hunt d Bar Mountain, Valdy Mountain, all
over up to there, not even not even think twice
about going, you know, in the deepest, darkest freaking swamps
up to the side to the mountains, you know. And
I haven't done that since the second time I got
The third time I got screened, was up there up
on Dbar Mountain with my boy. It's just it changes
your life, that's all. There's I've heard the screams when
they're mad at you, they don't want you in the area.
It's like a sense of you're going to die if
you don't leave, you are going to die and there's
nothing you can do about it. You know, That's what
it makes It makes you feel like. And then I
have heard a different type of screen. Shortly after those
researchers left, when they first came down, probably a month later,
I'm working inside my big garage summertime, back to the
back corner of my property, I'd say probably nine hundred
maybe a thousand yards back, and I heard this like
it was standing away from me, but it sounded like
a man type of screen, but it was the volume
was unbelievable, Like it was kind of a like a
fight or die kind of screen, like it was going
to fight for its life. And as soon as this
that stream stopped, there was a whole pack of koy
dogs fighting with it, you know there, I mean like
a dozen dogs, coy dogs out there, barking, yipping, snapping, growling.
You could hear them. They were going for probably a
good fifteen twenty seconds. I'm thinking it was fighting one
of those things, one of the bigfoots, and it started
doing a higher pitch scream like you know, like ana
like almost like a woman's type scream, and it would
scream about every five six seven seconds. As it's running
away from the koy dogs. It started heading east and
I heard it probably three four more times. I knew
it was running away from the pack of coy dogs,
and eventually the screaming stopped. I didn't hear the coy
dogs any longer, so I went in. I came home.
I went in the house, grabbed my gun, put on
some camouflage, went out and sat in my fields just
see if something was coming back through, either KOI dog
or whatever. And nothing. I went came back to the house,
got dark to grab my truck, grab my youngest son
because he wanted to come out and see, and we
sat there and nothing. About eleven thirty. Soon as I
pulled into the yard, that screaming continued. I the screaming
started again. But what it did was the it came down.
It's coming down right behind the houses, now probably seventy
five hundred yard away from all the houses, down the
side of the road, and it started coming back to
the area with that one.
Speaker 4: Did you is that one of the times you had
a visual signing?
Speaker 5: No, I hadn't had a visual yet.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's uh, if you don't mind, let's let's talk
about that. When was your first visual and was it
a daytime? Uh?
Speaker 5: It was in the afternoon hunting season had started. I
want to say maybe uh octobersh that same year when
all everything started.
Speaker 4: About eight years ago a property.
Speaker 5: Yeah, about yeah, eight and a half or eight seven
and a half to eight years ago.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more. But the big flipper board, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5: It was when I was on my tractor Jaron hunting season,
jumped on it, went out back, had my thirty out
six with me and I'm driving down this headerow and
I get to the point where I'm coming up to
the neighbor's stone wall and there's a tree, or a
good sized tree in there, and I saw what I
thought was a person on two legs standing next to
the tree, and it was all dark, and I actually
I had the thirty out six on my left hand.
I'm driving my right hand. Well, I'm getting within probably
forty yards of it. I raised my hand and actually said, hey,
how you doing? Waved at it. You know, this thing
standing straight up and down with its arms and hands
right down to its side. And as I'm getting closer,
I see some type of discoloration on the left shoulder,
like a white, whitish discolored whatever it was, I didn't
know what it was at first on the left shoulder,
and then I'm I'm seeing I'm not sure what it
was at first, but I'm thinking to myself, this guy's
wearing a gilly suit, like a sniper suit, because all
the stuff was coming off the arms, on the inside
of the arms, down along the torso, down through the
neck and the shoulders and the head. And I'm sitting
there and this thing had it everywhere all over its body.
There was no jackets, no cuffs of a shirt, you know,
hanging you can tell when somebody's wearing a suit or
a shirt and jacket. I started to realize how fricking
big this thing is. This thing was about eight foot tall,
and the shoulders were probably if I had to gas
four four and a half feet wide, you know, freaking unbelievable.
And the part of the part of the neck, I
couldn't see the face of the eyes because there was
so much black hair coming off the head. It was
all all I saw was black and see no eyeballs,
no mouth, but between the ears and the shoulders it
was all solid. It was all. It was nothing but muscle.
If I had to guess, this thing was probably eight
hundred pounds, give or take. I figured out a pretty
good guess of weight. So I raised reading his cattle
for about fifteen years. Here, you know, I caught my
own hay. I raised cattle for about fifteen years. I
don't know because it's too much work for me right now.
But I sat this thing. As I'm driving up to it,
I get right broadside of it, brought somely thirty feet
and I'm still looking at the things I'm driving away.
This thing did not flinch, did not move a finger,
didn't move its arm didn't you know, just like a statue.
Just stood there. Then I got a you know, as
I'm driving away, and I'm like, oh, this is one
of those things. And I got this sick feeling in
my stomach. You know, it was like I didn't want
to be in the area. I just drove right back home,
even though I had a thirty out six in my
hands and I probably could have, you know, I didn't
even I didn't even think about bringing the gun down
on It's just an overwhelming sense of just to get
the hell out of the area, get the hell out
of there, and get back to the house.
Speaker 4: So it never crossed your mind to take a shot
at this thing.
Speaker 5: It did for a second, but due to the size
of this thing and the way this thing was built,
it was the most athletic, most powerful looking. You know,
I didn't want to. You'd either have to have a
killing dead shot, you know, kill that thing dead first shot,
or you know, your life would be in jeopardy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and god, this is this is an ex combat
marine talking too. So if it's that's how he feels,
you know, maybe maybe it's how we should all feel,
you know, these things. From from everything I've heard, it's
not real easy to take these things down. And if
your life just isn't if if it's not a case
of your life is in danger, maybe you should just
let them go, you know, don't even try it.
Speaker 5: Just my opinion, yep. Like like you said, I would
fire on one if I absolutely had to, But after
I drove away from that thing, I was It's hard
to explain when you see something that close and you
realize what you're looking at and there's no going back
to you know, not knowing it's you know, I've heard
a lot of guys that you know, I would have
shot it. I would have shot it. I said, yeah,
I'm sure you probably would have. But the thing that
I remembered after that was, you know, before when those
researchers up here and they said they the tree knocks,
they got three different responses after they did the tree
knock from three different areas. So this these things aren't alone.
I believe that they live in family groups. You know,
there's juveniles, there's females, there's younger ones. And I truly
believe in my heart that if you harm or injure
one of them, you you're gonna have one of those
other ones coming at you. Mock three through the woods
and take your head.
Speaker 4: On the nose, brother on the nose. That's my thought, exactly.
You better be a great shot, and you better get
the heck out of there, because the one that you
if you're lucky enough to take it down with one shot,
that one that you just dropped, isn't your worries anymore.
It's the three or four that you didn't see that's
coming after you at this point. No, Yeah, just my opinion, yep.
Speaker 5: One other part, I just wanted to get into a
little little bit is after me and that other researcher.
We got the rock thrown at us. We didn't go
into that chunk of woods. We took an op We
went opposite of the trail, went into another chunk of woods,
over another little knoll, and up into the side of
a swamp. And when we got into there, my mosquito
headnet got taken right off my head. And we're going
through the woods no flashlights. I pretty much knew where
I was because I'd hunted through there before. We didn't
see nothing the rest of the night. They stayed a
couple more days when they get ready. When they got
ready to leave, one of the guys said, why don't
you try putting some food up in some tree hanging
up highs highs you can reach, you know, stand on
top of your four wheel or whatever, tie some food
off to some to a tree and put a game
camera up there. I said, okay, So I did that
one game camera, and I loaded this maple tree up
with all sorts of stuff hanging off it, cookies, cheese,
bags of chips, hot dogs, chicken, and you name it.
I'd come back the next day to check it. Food
to be gone. My camera would fire all night long,
right through until frigging sun comes up. And I got
that happened probably two three times, and I'm like, my god,
what is going on? And I wasn't you know, I
wasn't getting pictured. There's no bears in this area. I've
never seen a bear in the last since I've moved
here on any of my game camera trails or game cameras.
And it did it, like I said, did two more times.
And I called the researcher up and I said, they're
taking the food. My camera's not fast enough to catch
these things coming through ripping the food off, and he goes, well,
tape the food up there, and I said, okay. Next
time I did, I did wrap some electrical taper out it.
The things are still coming through ripping the food off,
and I called the guy back. I said, there's still
they're still taking the stuff and my camera's not fast
enough to get these things. He goes, we'll kind of
tape you use, and I said electrical. He goes, use
duct tape this time. By that time, I got two
more cameras from my brother. I put three cameras around
this tree that I was feeding. Out of three opposite cameras,
all watching the tree. I went there one morning, eleven
o'clock in the morning with my daughter, she was nine,
my youngest son was five years old. I brought a
bunch of food with me, went to the tree. Some
of the food had been gone taken. I pulled three
SD cards out of my cameras and I put some
new food up. I came back to the house with
the kids, checked the SD cards, downloaded them real quick.
I didn't see any kind of anything that would indicate
any kind of body parts or whatever for these things.
But the camera's worth still firing at nighttime with nothing
in the frame. So I went back to the back
down into the woods on the edge of the swamp,
hooked up to the cameras, made sure the settings were good.
And I'm sitting there messing with third camera and my
two younger kids, my nine year old and my five
year old are probably thirty feet away from me, playing
in the woods, standing on the tree, checking the camera,
and all of a sudden, one of those things screamed
at us from about sixty seventy yards in the woods,
and I mean it went right through my body. I mean,
the only thing I did honest to god, I just
hung my head, thinking we are gonna die, because that's
a kind of angry you're gonna, you know, get out
of this area kind of scream. I put my head
down for a second. I'm like, oh my god, and
then there's something kicked in said, hey, your kids. I
bought my head back up. Both my kids were frozen
looking into the woods where the scream came from. I
yelled at my kids. I said, come on, guys, we
got to go. I took that camera. I placed that
camera at about seven feet high in the tree. Kids got
on the four wheeler there. One of them was crying,
and we took off out of it there and I
came back the next day pulled all three SD cards.
That very last SD card I pulled had what appeared
to be a section of a shoulder, arm, possibly elbow
area covered with black hair going by at that height
ten minutes after we left, and uh, you know, like
some of the food have been gone again. But that
was that was probably the scariest encounter I've had with
these things, when they screamed up me and the kids.
If do you know that video I told you about
that I had on YouTube yes, sir. The very last
picture that you see on that camera of the black
what looks like a black arm, is that going by
I believe, I believe it to be one of those
arms at that height.
Speaker 4: Now this one, that the one that you saw that
you got the visual on. How well did you see
the face?
Speaker 5: All I could I could not see eyeballs or the
mouth or nose. It was covered with black hair, like
I said, was coming off everywhere on it. This one
was black black hair. It wasn't you know. There's no
discoloration to it except for the white discoloration on the shoulder.
There's two spots on the left shoulder that had white
kind of patches on it. But other than that, everything
was black. You know. The hands, the knuckles were turned
towards me, right down alongside its knees face me.
Speaker 4: So hair was covering the face.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I could tell I. You know, I couldn't
see no eyes. I didn't see no blinking.
Speaker 4: And tell me again the just your estimate on the
size of it.
Speaker 5: I went back later and actually got to where it
was standing next to and its head was at least
eight feet up and the shoulders were like I said,
at least four feet wide, and it was and it
was a thick upper chest and the waste come down
to it was an athletic built. You know that he
was in his prime.
Speaker 4: Well a foot tall, four foot at the shoulders. You
just described a sheet of pa wood. Yeah, you know what,
So imagine a sheet of plywood standing in the woods
facing you. You know, an animal that big that that's
changed your drawers. Scary?
Speaker 5: Oh, yes it is. You know, like I said before,
everything I've been through in my life, I wasn't afraid
of nothing that walked this earth until I had a
visual with that thing at you know, approximately thirty feet.
Over the years, we've slept with our windows open here
at the house, and I've been walking up probably three
four times in the middle of the night from these
things outside, not out right outside the house, but within
you know, I say, third of a mile, quarter of
a mile, half of my mile away from us, screaming
back and forth to each other out in the swamps.
And it sounds it sounds like a fire siren going
off at a firehouse. You got that long drawn and
it's unbelievably loud. Have you heard have you heard the ohio?
How uh? I think I have is that that That's
what came to me.
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 5: Well, you mean no how?
Speaker 4: They've been recording called the Ohio How. There's an Ohio
grass man. Yeah, that's just a name for for a
big foot up there. But there's a recording that's called
the Ohio How. And it sounds like an air raid
siren going off. Yep, And that that's what came to
mind when when you said that, did did it sound
something like that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep. I've heard that occasionally, like when they're trying
I don't know if it's a locator call that they're
trying to ok at each other or whatever, but I
have heard that a probably half a dozen times here
over the years. Now, that was.
Speaker 4: That was your first siding. So I'm not trying to
rush you through.
Speaker 5: You know, we we've got an hour.
Speaker 4: We can go a little bit over, but it sounds
like we're might have to have you back.
Speaker 5: Just let me know.
Speaker 4: Think Okay, very good, Very good. So we got through
one of your sidings. Did do you care to, uh
to talk about your next one? Your next daytime siding?
Speaker 5: That one was a real simple one. Brought the kids
to school probably two years ago coming back down my road,
bright blue sky morning, I don't know, probably at nine
o'clock in the morning, nine thirty in the morning, I'm
coming down back to the house, and I saw something
come off the right side of the road that was
very tall, probably at least eight foot, dark colored, blackish,
real slim, and it across the road right in front
of me, from right to left. The thing I noticed
about this sighting was it wasn't It didn't walk right
like a human would walk. You got your up and down,
a little bit of a movement when you got somebody
walk in front of you, you know, a little bit,
a little bit of a bob up and down. This
thing was like it was on roller skates. There was
no up and down. It just like glided across the
road into the next patch of woods across the road
in front of me. I probably got within one hundred
and seventy five yards of it when it did it.
After a while I thought about it and I looked,
and there was you know, I couldn't see it on
when it across the road because on that section of road,
that is the only place on this road that anything
could cross from from one side of the woods to
the other without being seen by a house or a
car or not. I can't say car, but a house
that was good. There's only a section probably probably seventy
five yards long where there's no houses that can see
into that area. That was the second, you know, daytime sighting,
I've seen.
Speaker 4: Okay, are you doing any top of any kind of
research out there.
Speaker 5: Or I've been mostly after my first experience and seeing
that thing, I told, like I told Jerrealier when I
talked to you, I ended up buying a thermal scope.
I got an ATM four four power military grade scope
that you came out on a rifle. But and I've
gone out back. I've gone all over the place with
other friends of mine that I worked with, that I
used to work with I just retired the other day.
I'd go out back at night, a lot of hours
of the night just looking around. And on two occasions
I have caught one of these things on both sides
of my property, like tree peeking, hiding behind a tree
where you catch the head, you catch the head movement
and you catch a little bit of the shoulder and
the leg, you know, seeing that on two occasions here,
I've actually got another part of something that was huge.
I don't know if it was one of them or not,
but and I go. I've gone to different pieces of property.
You know, I worked the place I worked at, I
had probably three hundred and sixty odd co workers that
I work with. When I started saying to a few people,
and you know this, this is going on at my place.
I saw this, and you know, you get to you
get the usual ridicule, guys making funny and cracking jokes,
and now you're you know this or that whatever, And
I stuck to I stuck to my guns. I don't
care what anybody thinks anymore. I know what I see,
I know what I know. You know, And I've actually
had about thirty semid people come up to me when
I'm alone, and they'll tell me their experiences. You know,
I saw this, I heard this. I and some of
were It's scary, if not more scary than my you know,
my experiences up here throughout the whole, you know, the
north part, northern part of New York State. And they
don't want to say nothing to out in public with
you know, the other people that we worked with because
they didn't like the harassment and stuff.
Speaker 4: But and it's it's a shame that it's still like that,
you know, I mean it's twenty twenty. Yeah, I mean
things have gotten better. It definitely is more talked about
subject nowadays.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a shame that that people still have
to feel, you know, like they can't talk about what
they witness for fear of ridicule. Oh yeah, it just sucks.
I mean it's cool that that we have places now
for people to go and share their their encounters and stuff.
Speaker 5: So that's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 4: How many acres did you say you guys had you
have a family farm?
Speaker 5: Is that right? Yeah? We bought eighty seven acre farm
and we got here and I've had horses and then
I got into the cattle. I've had twenty three twenty
four head of cattle at one time. Red angus. You know,
a reason for beef and stuff. I did that for,
like I said, twelve fourteen, fifteen years. I can tell
you one more story with the cattle. Got home from
work at night one night, about ten thirty quarter to eleven.
My wife had just got home with the kids, and
she did some grocery shopping. We got a shepherd and
she hooked the shepherd on the chain off the back porch,
which is not very far away from where my pasture
is by the barn. As soon as I stepped out
of my truck, I could hear my shepherd going crazy.
I mean like she's like she's trying to get at
something that's, you know, trying to hurt the family or whatever.
She was on Hilert barking almost out of her mind,
and I'm like, what is wrong with what's wrong with
the dog? My wife goes, oh, I don't know. I
just put her out. She's on her chain off the
back porch.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I know, stay tuned for more. But
the big foot were for We'll be right back.
Speaker 5: And I came into the house and I opened up
the sliding rear door. I looked out, she's right at
the end of her chain, just NonStop. So I went
and grabbed a flashlight, went over to the dog, and
she's pointed more towards my barn. But I took my
flashlight and I'm shining it out there in my pasture,
and every one of my cows were on their feet
looking towards the barn. And I had bowls almost fifteen
hundred pounds at the time. The other two were anywhere
from a thy twelve hundred pounds, and all the haffers,
all the calves, every single one of the cows were
on their feet looking towards the barn. They didn't even
look at me walking up to the fence line, and
I'm like, what in the heck are they looking at?
And I take my flashlight and I come across the barn.
I had three trees behind the barn, right on the
corner of the fence. I caught a set of glowing
amber eyeballs reflection u up in the tree, about twenty
five feet up in the tree, probably the size of
tennis balls, if I had to guess, wow, yep, And
they blinked both of the same time, and I'm like, oh, man,
don't tell me. So I took the flashlight off. I
went back into the house, grabbed a gun, headlamp, flashlight,
grabbed a leash for the dog, put the leash on
the dog, and I started, you know, the flashlight, checking
the trees and didn't see nothing. Walk right over the
barn and the base of the trees. My dog. She
put her nose right down to the ground. She sniffed
for second and half two seconds and basically pulled me
back into the house. She didn't want nothing to do
with that area, you know where we're I don't know
if something had traveled there to get into the trees
or whatever, but did realize that these things climbed trees. Now,
it's just scary. I've had my house. My house has
been hit a few times on the side, you know,
something coming by, boom, and I mean the whole wall
would shake just a single hit. I've had. You know,
my pool was crushed one one corner of it. Something
had leaned down on top of the pool. It was
like a five or a five foot above ground pool.
One of the things had been bent because something had
pushed on it, leaned on it. Whatever.
Speaker 4: But now do you do anything? Do you take any
steps to deter them from coming up to your property,
to you to your house?
Speaker 5: A year and a half ago, I get there's a
couple other funny things. It's almost like they're messing with
me now, you know occasionally when they when when I
do go out back or something, I'll tell you something
laughter here. But I ended up getting three Doberman's and
a rottweiler, and I've got my shepherd, and I've got
the electronic collars on them, so they got a perimeter
around the house. They can get outside at any time,
and they do. They their minds when they go outside
outside at times at night and they're just barking off
into the you know, NonStop for ten, fifteen, twenty minutes whatever,
and then they'll come back in after things calm down.
But I haven't had anything close to the house since
I've had the dogs. Okay, the other you know, the shepherd,
They still did it with the shepherd. I had a
shepherd in here, and you know, I get the corner
of my house. Hit stuff would be thrown against my
big pole barn, you know, chunks of rock or whatever.
At night, we'd be out with a little fire with
the kids and you hear something hit the wall in
the barn from the outside.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about I know you talked about
leaving some food out once or twice. How do you
feel about gifting, especially if it's on your private property.
Speaker 5: That's that's another thing I wanted to talk to mentioned
a little part here. When I was with that researcher
and I took I said, we went in the opposite
direction and I ended up losing my head net, my
mosquito head net. I got caught on aviron or something.
We never I never turned on my light to look
for it or whatever because I didn't want to use lights.
Three years ago, so that was done. That was about.
That was done. Eight years ago. I lost my mosquito
head net or about maybe seven and a half up
in another chunk of property, and I started. I changed
trees to where I fed these things. I'd hanging food
up in a different area. I would go out there
just before dart hang up another bag of apples or
potatoes or rolls or whatever I had, and I hung
it on a tree. And I had a game camera there,
and I had an audio recorder digital recorder. I'd hang
up there too. I went up there one night anyways
and write it just before dark, hung the food up.
I looked down at the base of that tree, and
one of those things brought my mosquito headnt back and
put it at the base of the tree.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: That was that. That was a scary moment for me, because
you know, I'm thinking these things are just animals and
they don't that. I'm like, holy cow, these things can
think they're they're trying to either thank me for leaving
them food or trying to give you to keep leaving
them food out. Yeah, and that was that was that
right there was almost as important as seeing the one
that I saw, you know, just knowing that they that
they think like that. But that was eye opening.
Speaker 4: Oh bet absolutely.
Speaker 5: I went out. I went out back hunting with my
my two younger ones, uh three years ago, and we
sat right in the middle of the hedgerow. I had
fields behind me, field in front of me. I went
out there. I had my thermo with me. I had
to set of binoculars and we're just sitting on top
of these cellphone balls I had. We'd be sitting there,
we weren't there probably ten minutes. We're looking in one
direction and behind us, in the back corner of my
other field, we started hearing tree knocking, you know, whack whack, whack,
black quack on a tree, and my kids go, Dad,
they're at it again. I'm like, I know, just don't
pay attention to them, and they stopped. They did it again,
and then I turned around with the binoculars and I'm
looking in the corner of the woods trying to you know,
just to let them know that I'm looking at them.
I know they're there. Then I took my thermal out
and I'm sitting there, you know, and so you can
still see pretty good. I'm sitting there with a thermal
looking and everything stopped and I sat back down, and
another like a minute will go by, then they'd start
in again. And my kids are like, the kids are
starting to get scared because they know what's out in
the woods, and my daughter had seen them three times already.
I got up and I actually walked out in the
field and just started, you know, just talking gibberish, wave
my arms like whatever, just actingly stupid to see if
they you know that, get them out of there. And
my kids like, Dad, don't do it, don't do it.
I didn't have a gun with me, you know. I
didn't want to scare them, the the things out in
the woods. I came back, sat down, and it started
doing it again, started tree knocking in my back right corner,
and then all of a sudden, about seventy five hundred
yards down down that hedgerow or down inside the woodline,
another one started knocking. There's two of them knocking back
and forth. Just I don't know if they're just screwing
with us thinking it was funny or whatever, but that
was kind of that was kind of funny for a
little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I wonder if they don't have a sense,
a bit of a sense of humor. And I've heard
a lot of people think that they do that, that
we're their entertainment. Yep, and I can I could see that.
I could see that.
Speaker 5: Yep. Uh.
Speaker 4: John, we on over an hour, buddy, which is typical.
We usually go over a little over an hour. But
I get the feeling You've got a lot more to
talk talk about.
Speaker 5: I got a few more stories.
Speaker 4: Do you have a couple more yourself? And you said
your wife has had some encounters, your kids have had
some So yeah, I'd like to have you back for
a part two. What do you think about that?
Speaker 5: No problem, you just tell me where and when. I
got all sorts of time in my hands. Now I
got the calendar out.
Speaker 4: Now we got our fiftieth episode next week. I'm gonna
talk a little bit more about that, and after I'll
let you go here in just a second, but that
scheduled for the ninth the following Monday will be the sixteenth,
I think you want to come back on not this
next Monday, but a week from that Monday.
Speaker 5: I think you can do that. I'll remind you, yeah, yeah,
just send me a reminder of your Facebook messenger or
whatever and remind me and we'll be good.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm putting it in right now, John Part two.
All right, got you down, buddy, and uh again, appreciate
you coming on tonight and and sharing some of your stories.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we got the technical stuff worked out because
I was disappointed when it didn't look like we were
going to get you. But we got to figure it out,
so we should be good to go next time too. Right, Okay,
all right, buddy, I sure do appreciate it, and I
hope that you will have a good night. Yeah, that's it, buddy.
We'll talk to you later.
Speaker 5: Okay then, yeah, have a good one, all.
Speaker 4: Right, buddy, you too.
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