Speaker 1: Talk.
Speaker 2: I want full assurance. Did any heat from Emily and
Speaker 2: dots on? Just you? I don't even want my name
Speaker 2: pulled into the shindy. Second you owe me sixth seeds,
Speaker 2: no rush, but I want your shake that they'll be
Speaker 2: home in not too much time.
Speaker 3: That's square. You did them after all, lay low to
Speaker 3: blow over stick on this. One of you will dish
Speaker 3: it to bury the other. You both get the rat
Speaker 3: as for the six as you borrow it. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you won't. You shouldn't need a shake on that, all right?
Speaker 3: To both go, seal it up and blow for keeps.
Speaker 2: Third thing, the last break, it's yours. That's not the
Speaker 2: point I'm gonna start selling it. How do I know
Speaker 2: it's not bad?
Speaker 4: What would it be?
Speaker 2: Why was the last one? Because someone got greedy tug
Speaker 2: hears had the means to swipe half of it and
Speaker 2: cut it bad for a long time. Now we're splits.
Speaker 2: The loss of my trust is retroactive. Did you tell.
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: All right, let's shake him blow Not good enough? What
Speaker 2: would be good enough? I want to see him dose
Speaker 2: it just to prove it. It's none more square out
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 4: I didn't touch it.
Speaker 1: Junk, that's all.
Speaker 2: I want to see it to dose. It's proving something
Speaker 2: to me right here.
Speaker 5: Oh i'd better be. It's telling them that I ain't
Speaker 5: under your thumb no more that I ain't playing lapdog
Speaker 5: to no goddam grunt ball.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Cinemigos, a podcast all about expanding the cinematic
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Speaker 5: Matt, My god, I haven't been fun like that since
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Speaker 1: Monday morning homeroom seven fifteen am. As I sit there
Speaker 1: reading Hello and Welcome to Cinemigos, a podcast all about
Speaker 1: expanding the cinematic horizons of its host and hopefully it's listeners.
Speaker 1: Carved into the desk, I think to myself, how I
Speaker 1: got here tonight? I'm presented with the usual suspects that
Speaker 1: may have had something to do with it. Let me
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Speaker 1: Robbie the Brain, and the stoner behind the coffee and pie.
Speaker 1: Oh my, it's Matt. I'm your host, columbo Berg, investigator
Speaker 1: on the Case of the Dizzy Dame with my pick
Speaker 1: Tonight two thousand and Five's Brick, a modern day no
Speaker 1: war soaked film by Ryan Johnson. You boys, ready to
Speaker 1: test this Brick's authenticity.
Speaker 5: Let's do it. Let's snort it, let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take a little key bump. Actually, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's ever a moment in the movie with that kind
Speaker 1: of I never actually mentioned what kind of drug it is.
Speaker 1: I think we're just meant to assume it's cocaine, but
Speaker 1: we can get.
Speaker 5: To We're never Yeah, we're never given the actual description
Speaker 5: of what it is.
Speaker 4: They do that in this movie. They do the language
Speaker 4: really well to hide with.
Speaker 5: Obviously this is your pick, Heideberg or brick Berg. Why
Speaker 5: did you choose it for us?
Speaker 1: I chose this. I saw this years ago. It was
Speaker 1: like a blockbuster rental. It was one of those ones
Speaker 1: where you just like you to see it's a trailer
Speaker 1: on an independent film that you're rented, and you go
Speaker 1: and get that movie on one of the low or
Speaker 1: you know, lower wrongs. It's like The Down in the Middle,
Speaker 1: Yeah and the Middle. It was one of those movies,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it just stood out
Speaker 1: to me and it was it just seemed interesting, and
Speaker 1: I rented it and I remember it, you know it
Speaker 1: It hitting in a way that I was just like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I get what they're going for here. That's interesting. The
Speaker 1: premise I thought was just interesting to cover, like a
Speaker 1: modern day take on a new war film, because we've
Speaker 1: done a bunch of new war films, but we haven't
Speaker 1: done too many like Neo Noar and this.
Speaker 5: Is this might this might be our first. Yeah, this
Speaker 5: might be our first. Uh and definitely a very different
Speaker 5: take on noir as well, which I'm really excited to
Speaker 5: talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I thought that was interesting, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I picked it, because I just thought it
Speaker 1: would be a good thing to put up adjacent with
Speaker 1: one of the ones that you've chosen. So it's going
Speaker 1: to pick my time to pick a film.
Speaker 5: Obviously I haven't seen it, but Matt, had you seen
Speaker 5: this film before?
Speaker 4: No, I had never even heard of it. I did
Speaker 4: not know this.
Speaker 5: Movie existing same same here. I had never heard of it.
Speaker 5: So this was a fun So I'm excited for a
Speaker 5: it's a double bubble that we're going to get into.
Speaker 5: We haven't used that in a while.
Speaker 1: I know, I was just thinking out of my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's been a while.
Speaker 4: I will say, I'm glad I watched north By or
Speaker 4: north By Northwest and Double End Enemy and Casablanca. I'm
Speaker 4: glad I got some actual noir under my belt before
Speaker 4: I came into this, because it let me approve absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 1: See when I saw this for the first time, and
Speaker 1: we'll get into it, but I did. I didn't have
Speaker 1: all that under my belt, but I did know what
Speaker 1: those films like, I knew what no War was. I
Speaker 1: knew what no War films were, so I knew that
Speaker 1: this film I could piece together, like all right, that's
Speaker 1: what they're going for. From the dialogue, it's noir but
Speaker 1: just done and you know the setting.
Speaker 4: I think there's like a pop culture understanding just from
Speaker 4: like cartoons and stuff, so like as you grow up, yeah,
Speaker 4: you kind of you kind of understand even though you
Speaker 4: don't have any we're.
Speaker 5: Seeing noir without ever seeing a noir film. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of that in our pop culture.
Speaker 4: You know, like Sin City, since city's the perfect Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would probably watch that movie with brand new eyes.
Speaker 4: Now if I went back and watched.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, you would. Yeah, Well, why don't we get
Speaker 5: that hadn't died Heidelberg Spoiler warning and we'll give the
Speaker 5: synopsis and we'll dive into the film.
Speaker 1: This is spoiler warning from the top. Don't you dare
Speaker 1: spoil this film. I'll give you one two to the face.
Speaker 1: I got all my five senses. Watch out anyway. All right,
Speaker 1: a teenage loader pushes his way into the underworld of
Speaker 1: a high school crime ring to investigate the disappearance of
Speaker 1: his girlfriend.
Speaker 5: All right, well, why don't we dive into the pre
Speaker 5: production of the film. It's directed by Ryan Johnson, so
Speaker 5: it's our second straight directorial debut. This is Ryan Johnson's
Speaker 5: directorial debut, and we did Duel last week, which was Spielberg's.
Speaker 5: He's also done films like Looper, Star Wars, The Last Jedi,
Speaker 5: which is god awful, and he's been doing the The
Speaker 5: Knives Out films, which I'm actually really enjoyed those Knives
Speaker 5: Out films, and I'm excited for the new one that's
Speaker 5: coming out at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: I like Looper.
Speaker 5: Looper is great. I really liked that film a lot.
Speaker 5: So to tell a story about how our film we
Speaker 5: got started, we got to start with our director, Ryan Johnson.
Speaker 5: He fell in love with the Cohen Brothers film Miller's Crossing,
Speaker 5: which caused him to search out the source materials that
Speaker 5: inspired that film, which led him to the authors that
Speaker 5: we've discussed on our previous episodes on the Maltese Falcon
Speaker 5: and Double Identity, so James N. King, Raymond Chandler, and
Speaker 5: specifically Dashel Hammett. When it came time to write his screenplay,
Speaker 5: he wanted to create a classic American detective story like
Speaker 5: the works of Hammett, albeit without the normal visual cues
Speaker 5: or costumes you would see in a standard noir picture.
Speaker 5: So his idea was to have our story take place
Speaker 5: in a high school with young adults and write the
Speaker 5: story that would become this film right after graduating film
Speaker 5: school in nineteen ninety seven. The unfortunate thing for Johnson
Speaker 5: is that he had no connection to anyone significance in
Speaker 5: the film industry, and in his own admission, he isn't
Speaker 5: the best at selling himself. But the approach he took
Speaker 5: to get the script into as many hands as they could,
Speaker 5: hoping that it would reach the right producer to see
Speaker 5: what they could get to make the film. During this time,
Speaker 5: there were times where it seemed like the project would
Speaker 5: get financing, only to have people pull out, giving reasoning
Speaker 5: that the script was not a traditional one and that
Speaker 5: it required to be casted perfectly to execute the script,
Speaker 5: and with the first time director, the traditional financiers had
Speaker 5: no idea how to sell the film in the way
Speaker 5: that Johnson wanted. However, he kept pushing forward because of
Speaker 5: the team of people he was assembling along the way
Speaker 5: who believed in the project. After six years of using
Speaker 5: these traditional approaches, his team realized the only way to
Speaker 5: get this film done was to finance the film themselves
Speaker 5: and figure out the lowest amount they needed to get
Speaker 5: the film made in thirty five millimeter and use the
Speaker 5: friends and family plan. As the group passed, the collection
Speaker 5: played around and were able to finance the film independently
Speaker 5: with four hundred fifty thousand dollars raised. Johnson would shoot
Speaker 5: the film in his hometown of San Clemente, California, including
Speaker 5: his former high school, as well as other locations that
Speaker 5: they would secure and sometimes would frequently lose because the
Speaker 5: people agreeing to not know how disruptive filming would be
Speaker 5: to their operations, which would cause the crew to have
Speaker 5: to adjust on the fly. Now, if they had more money,
Speaker 5: the crew could have worked exactly where they wanted, but
Speaker 5: by financing it cheaply on their own, it allowed Johnson
Speaker 5: to make the film he wanted, which is what he
Speaker 5: wanted in the end, and gives us the unique picture
Speaker 5: that we ended up getting a little bit side note.
Speaker 5: When I was in the Navy, I was at Camp Pendleton,
Speaker 5: and I worked on the San Clemente side of the base.
Speaker 5: So I would pass by that high school on the
Speaker 5: freeway frequently. So when you see the football field that's
Speaker 5: passing by the fire, you could see all the cars
Speaker 5: passing on the freeway. That's the five Freeway, and so
Speaker 5: I would cross that frequently on my commutes to to
Speaker 5: the base. While location scouting was a challenge, casting his
Speaker 5: actors was relatively easy because he didn't have the normal
Speaker 5: interference that a studio or producers would normally create, which
Speaker 5: allowed him to choose carefully who he felt was right
Speaker 5: for the parts. And with this being a script being
Speaker 5: so dependent on each actor being cast correctly, I feel
Speaker 5: like Johnson and crew delivered. The soundtrack was done by
Speaker 5: Ryan Johnson's cousin Nathan Johnson, who also did the soundtrack
Speaker 5: for Looper, Don John Knight, Moreley, and Knives Out, who
Speaker 5: used the soundtrack from The Third Man, a film that
Speaker 5: we'll be covering sometime in the future. And composer Nao Morricone,
Speaker 5: who we met in a fistful of dollars as inspirations
Speaker 5: and all while giving it a junk yard feel to
Speaker 5: give it the edge we get in the film shooting.
Speaker 5: They had a very short shooting schedule, but the cast
Speaker 5: rehearsed for three months to get their lines and marks down,
Speaker 5: so they rehearsed a lot before they began film, so
Speaker 5: it just made everything flow very quickly. But yeah, that's
Speaker 5: all the prererush I have. Why don't we dive into
Speaker 5: the film?
Speaker 4: Well, I really like the guitar and bill music. We
Speaker 4: get a fade in for the when the movie starts
Speaker 4: with this. Uh, I haven't heard any kind of music
Speaker 4: like this in a movie before, like a rattle, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: almost the Western acoustic guitar. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I definitely see the Ennio Morricone in the junkyard noir
Speaker 5: style of soundtrack that Nathan Johnson was going for here,
Speaker 5: and I think it works brilliantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's very interesting and it's it rings out throughout
Speaker 1: the film, so like you really start to attribute it
Speaker 1: with the movie. Yeah, and it's team you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it's part of its score. I really like it.
Speaker 1: I like we start with this like murder, we see
Speaker 1: the body of a girl and like a river basin,
Speaker 1: and you know, our character Brennan seems to have found
Speaker 1: her possibly or here's the one who killed her, like
Speaker 1: we don't really know. If you'd your first time watching,
Speaker 1: you really know what's going on. So it's already starting
Speaker 1: like with this ambiguity, which more films I feel like
Speaker 1: have a ton of. Absolutely. Yeah, and then we cut
Speaker 1: back two days prior, like a narrative.
Speaker 5: So our body that is played by Emily d Raven,
Speaker 5: who is Emily Cossage, who will get to meet a
Speaker 5: little bit more as the film goes on. She's in
Speaker 5: shows like Roswell Lost, Once upon a Time, more of
Speaker 5: a television actress than a film we just covered. That's right,
Speaker 5: I forgot about that. You know, another character that's not
Speaker 5: in the film for very long, but it's a huge
Speaker 5: driving force behind our main characters, like similar to like
Speaker 5: Liam Neeson is Priest Ballan, his preest Ballin character in
Speaker 5: Gangs in New York, and of course our our main
Speaker 5: character that we see, Brendan Fry, played by the great
Speaker 5: Joseph Gordon Levitt, who was in Third Rock from the Sun,
Speaker 5: Ten Things I Hate About You, five Hundred Days of Summer.
Speaker 5: Don john a lot of a lot of films, Inception,
Speaker 5: Dark Knight Rises, a lot of a lot of great stuff.
Speaker 5: And Johnson saw him in the film Maniac and knew
Speaker 5: he wanted to work with the young actor. And it
Speaker 5: seems as if Joseph Gordon Levitt understood and liked the
Speaker 5: vision Johnson had for the film and brought his own
Speaker 5: ideas that would be incorporated, specifically his costume and mannerisms.
Speaker 5: And I'll be honest, you know, I not at first,
Speaker 5: but like as I've been watching more of his films,
Speaker 5: I'm starting to really like his talents as an actor.
Speaker 5: I think he's great in this. I really love him
Speaker 5: in this. He is amazing as a character.
Speaker 4: He holds the movie together. If he doesn't work, the
Speaker 4: movie doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely right. Actually yeah, and he's young too,
Speaker 1: so it's a tough and it's a tough role for
Speaker 1: I think these are all young actors like spinning out
Speaker 1: lines that have made to be you know, said in
Speaker 1: these older films in a way they're hammy a little bit.
Speaker 1: But also I don't know, they're supposed to have bravado
Speaker 1: but their high school kids at the same time, So
Speaker 1: it's like it's an odd mix to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: aligned to straddlehow.
Speaker 5: He is, Like I said, you're right, he is the
Speaker 5: glue to this film. And I think he of all
Speaker 5: the actors, he's the most experienced. And so yeah, like
Speaker 5: I said, Johnson really had to cast, especially his lead.
Speaker 5: If he doesn't cast the lead correctly.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the acting place. Tug wasn't the most experienced actor.
Speaker 5: I mean, he might have been acting longer, but like
Speaker 5: as far as the credit, it's supposed to go like
Speaker 5: Essic Gordon Levitt is the more experienced actor.
Speaker 4: I think they do a real good job in this
Speaker 4: opening scene of like showcasing like how like this is
Speaker 4: not going to be a fun movie, like buckle up.
Speaker 4: And then and then they like they do a real
Speaker 4: like a close up of her bracelets and like it
Speaker 4: really shows like, yeah, this is a young girl.
Speaker 1: This is high school innocence to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an innocence to it. No matter what she's done,
Speaker 4: she's still a child, and I think that's what they'll
Speaker 4: they keep, you know, every time you see her. She
Speaker 4: has these giant Madonna Bengal bracelets on, and I think
Speaker 4: they did a real good job focusing on that from
Speaker 4: the very beginning of the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's on the cover of the Blu ray too.
Speaker 1: Those a little bit of trail, the trail off in
Speaker 1: the water of like her hand cutting into the water
Speaker 1: from being like laying there. And then I like the
Speaker 1: way this we get this like two days prior. It's
Speaker 1: like this narrative hook of like we're gonna go back
Speaker 1: and figure out what, how what led us to this
Speaker 1: moment in the in the story, which these films tend
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, I thought this film does a good
Speaker 1: way of shedding up our setting with the high school
Speaker 1: and you know the note. Brendan finds this note the
Speaker 1: twelve thirty in his locker meet me at whatever the
Speaker 1: location was, and it kind of just gets us going,
Speaker 1: I thought, in a decent way. Starts showing us the
Speaker 1: other characters, you know, and then the fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: minutes we get an idea of like who some of
Speaker 1: the players are in this movie, which I think these
Speaker 1: films tend to do. They you know, the name comes
Speaker 1: in I fem fatale, we got this guy, we got
Speaker 1: the you know. Uh, it's interesting that this film takes
Speaker 1: tropes from like high school and then tries to turn
Speaker 1: those into no war tropes as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there is a lot of the Maltese Falcon
Speaker 5: in this film a little a little bit as far
Speaker 5: as like the type of characters that we meet, and then.
Speaker 1: The bricks and mcguffin, whether it's reil or fake, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know, whether it's been cut or not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have no idea about that particular brick that
Speaker 5: last week. We have a we have a murder, we
Speaker 5: have we have characters that are very similar to the
Speaker 5: Maltese Falcon. And I mean not to uh you know,
Speaker 5: make it like it he's just copying off it. But
Speaker 5: it's definitely it's definitely an influence.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean there's no doubt about it. It's
Speaker 1: wearing it on its sleeve, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's totally meant to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, like this this movie almost
Speaker 4: seems to like be praising those older movies, like uh,
Speaker 4: it's you know, I feel like he's saying, I love
Speaker 4: these old movies. Yeah, now here's.
Speaker 1: Mine, here's my version. Yes, I'm gonna make it into
Speaker 1: like a high school setting. Yeah, I do believe. So
Speaker 1: this movie is a little bit you know, it's hammed
Speaker 1: up obviously because of the dialogue, but the situation, the
Speaker 1: situation that play that happens where there's a woman, a
Speaker 1: girl who goes to school who's maybe runaway, getting into drugs,
Speaker 1: getting with the wrong crowd, a drug deal gone wrong,
Speaker 1: kind of deal that's feasible. That's all fine, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Tug having like a gang a little
Speaker 1: bit or whatever, being the rough and tumble fucking street kid.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, muscle. That all works for me too.
Speaker 1: I think that's all actually stuff that could happen in
Speaker 1: a high school setting. So that's believable for me. So
Speaker 1: it works.
Speaker 4: This is no more silly than the I would actually
Speaker 4: say it's more serious than the Roman Juliet remaking. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like the because.
Speaker 1: Absolutely that's a good comparison actually in a way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rob, I've never been to high school in California.
Speaker 4: Are lockers outside a normal thing? Because that ye, yes,
Speaker 4: there are.
Speaker 1: Parts of the school that are like based outside and
Speaker 1: they'll have like little overhangs and ship but they're cut
Speaker 1: away from.
Speaker 4: The school before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think I have never seen we've had
Speaker 5: lockers inside, but like most of them are outdoors.
Speaker 1: Okay, but yeah, like, how do you like the the
Speaker 1: fact that we're in like a high school setting? Like
Speaker 1: how did that hit you the first time?
Speaker 4: Be honest, I was a little overwhelmed. Uh I the
Speaker 4: first twenty minutes of this movie I did not like
Speaker 4: And uh I could see especially when he when he
Speaker 4: finally gets to brain and I see how the how
Speaker 4: how much the dialogue is going to be, Like, it
Speaker 4: caught me real off it felt h surreal was the word.
Speaker 1: It's a little out of place at first because it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're talking like old guys and they're like
Speaker 1: this and he's sort of like snappy like everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, once my brain caught up with like I had
Speaker 4: to like reprogram what I was then I was fine.
Speaker 4: And I have to say the second watch, I loved it.
Speaker 4: Like it once I knew what I was getting into,
Speaker 4: I could just and just enjoy it. I really like,
Speaker 4: I really liked the dialogue in the way they wrote it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was pretty good.
Speaker 5: That was the one thing that took me a second
Speaker 5: to wrap my head around is that this is high
Speaker 5: school in their and that was kind of his way
Speaker 5: of putting a twist on the genre, because I was like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck are they saying? And it's just you're
Speaker 5: just that it's just meant to be accepted, and you
Speaker 5: kind of learn a little bit, like about what each
Speaker 5: particular term means as the film goes along. But that
Speaker 5: first watch was a little bit jarring. I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know what I think about this yet using.
Speaker 1: Slang too, you know what I mean, Like yeah, school
Speaker 1: type slang, but also mixing it in within the war
Speaker 1: type style of speaking.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was so much what they were saying.
Speaker 4: It was like they were saying it so fast and
Speaker 4: they were using stuff that was unfamiliar. I always felt
Speaker 4: like I was catching up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'ma spin it for you real quick, you know,
Speaker 1: like kids don't talk like that.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, the and that's the truth.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it from the top, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, who the fuck says that.
Speaker 5: It will cover more films from this era, But when
Speaker 5: you watch films from the thirties and the early forties.
Speaker 5: The dialogue is so snap quick, and we're not used
Speaker 5: to that as a generation. Now with the films that
Speaker 5: we're watching, everything tends to move a little bit slower.
Speaker 5: But in that era, man like the everything was quick, quick, quick,
Speaker 5: And that's what this female dialogue.
Speaker 1: The female dialogue is more breathy and slower.
Speaker 5: That is that is true?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well that.
Speaker 5: Is That's something that we have. That's what Ryan Johnson's
Speaker 5: going for in this is That's why everything's so fast
Speaker 5: and you're catching up.
Speaker 4: I turned the subtitles on and even a lot of
Speaker 4: shit I didn't notice the first watch. I noticed the
Speaker 4: second watch, and all this dialogue is gold. It's I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's so creative. And even though they're using
Speaker 4: phrases I don't hear. Ever, I knew what they were
Speaker 4: talking about like they did a He did a great
Speaker 4: job coming up with his own slang and owns the
Speaker 4: style of speech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to imagine Jessic Gordon Levitt probably also
Speaker 5: read some of these books that Ryan Johnson was utilizing
Speaker 5: for the script and was able to develop, uh maybe
Speaker 5: like add some extra stuff for the dialogue.
Speaker 1: That I'm that came out of the film. He's Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a kind of actor who would have done that
Speaker 1: extra work and read a couple of books to totally
Speaker 1: get that sort of because he does deliver it very
Speaker 1: well as far as because he's lead, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I think the whole cast kind of
Speaker 1: for the most part, like Laura's character. I think, tell
Speaker 1: I like, I like Lucas, what's his name?
Speaker 5: Lucas is the pin, Yeah, the idea.
Speaker 1: Of the pin. But let's get to the setting. We
Speaker 1: get the Brendan gets the note to the twelve thirty
Speaker 1: meet up, and then he goes to the address and
Speaker 1: he finds a payphone that just starts ringing at the
Speaker 1: time that it's said, to which I like, I like,
Speaker 1: I love the ship like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Did you get dirty Harry off of this with like
Speaker 5: him running to like the telephone booze.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the car going up like Emily on
Speaker 1: the line. We know that she's his ex, there's there's
Speaker 1: something going on there between them, and that she's close
Speaker 1: by because she should see him, you know, in the moment.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting to me. The way they play it
Speaker 1: out and then it's like someone's out to get her.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, don't we hear their name dode uh,
Speaker 1: We don't know what meaning it has with you know, Brendan.
Speaker 1: We hear about the brick, the word brick, and and
Speaker 1: there you know that they're trying to pin it on
Speaker 1: her or something she says, and she sounds like she
Speaker 1: needs help. And then a car goes by real fast
Speaker 1: and she gets scared and seems to run.
Speaker 4: Well, that was Tug's car, and they do a really
Speaker 4: good job.
Speaker 1: We don't know yet, yeah.
Speaker 4: But they do a real job of making that car
Speaker 4: its own character.
Speaker 1: Like that, yeah, because for a while we don't know
Speaker 1: who Tug is, so it's just the car of faceless
Speaker 1: And then with the cigarette butt comes out, which ends
Speaker 1: up playing into a big clue later on. It's a parliament,
Speaker 1: which yeah, has an arrow that points up to well
Speaker 1: you light it or whatever the filter and so that
Speaker 1: plays out, and I just thought it was kind of cool,
Speaker 1: like it is kind of dirty Harry ish, like this
Speaker 1: car screams up the road and we think, all right,
Speaker 1: that car has something to do with it, and she's
Speaker 1: scared of whoever's in that car.
Speaker 5: And we don't know who it is in the car yet,
Speaker 5: and obviously we're giving some red herrings as who it
Speaker 5: might be, but you know, it's it's one of those
Speaker 5: things that the car is cool nice. I think it's
Speaker 5: like late sixties, early seventies mock one Mustang, which is awesome.
Speaker 5: And then you have is that telephone booth that they're in.
Speaker 5: That telephone booth actually doesn't exist. They so what was
Speaker 5: funny about the film is the mansion that we're gonna
Speaker 5: go to later. That was a house that they were
Speaker 5: allowed to use that apparently was some eccentric billionaire who
Speaker 5: had made his money on investing in phone booths and
Speaker 5: pay phones, and so all his money came from that.
Speaker 5: So he had this mansion and saying, yeah, he had
Speaker 5: this mansion in San Clemente, but there was he was
Speaker 5: kind of a hoarder, so he had all these His
Speaker 5: house was built with all these phone booths. So they
Speaker 5: took one of the phone booths and then moved it
Speaker 5: around town to where they needed it, so that phone
Speaker 5: booth actually doesn't exist at that corner of San Clemente.
Speaker 5: Utilizing what you have at your disposal.
Speaker 4: I was watching some special features and they were saying
Speaker 4: that he let them use that house because he was
Speaker 4: about to remodel the whole thing. So it was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: come in, do whatever you want. I'm about to I'm
Speaker 4: about to rip got this place anyway, so nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the entire town was really under redevelopment too, because
Speaker 5: San Clemente was on the rise at this time. There
Speaker 5: was a lot of new developments. The houses were being upgraded,
Speaker 5: and even the Pinn's house that was they couldn't find
Speaker 5: a single story house except for they've discovered this at
Speaker 5: the last minute. They were actually gonna tear that house down,
Speaker 5: and uh they had. They gave them an extension for
Speaker 5: a week so that they could film in this house,
Speaker 5: and like days after they finished filming, they tore that
Speaker 5: thing down and put up a whole new, like three
Speaker 5: story house. So the house no longer exists at that address.
Speaker 4: I fucking love that wood paneling, I asked my wife,
Speaker 4: but I want it.
Speaker 1: The film sets up the players here. Though Emily appears
Speaker 1: to be missed or into something bigger than, you know,
Speaker 1: than herself, Brennan's on a case. He's gonna try and
Speaker 1: figure it out and help her out, whether she wants
Speaker 1: him to or not. He finds the torn image of
Speaker 1: Emily's book that led him to the drama club. The
Speaker 1: next scene is when he goes to the drama club
Speaker 1: basically and and we find well, he.
Speaker 4: Meets Brain to get Emily's locker number so he can
Speaker 4: steal them.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so matt Leary. Matt Leary plays the Brain. He's
Speaker 5: been in things like Domestic Disturbance, Frailty, Uh, Spy Kids too,
Speaker 5: and he was in Livery or Diehard. He was the
Speaker 5: uh he was kind of like the right hand man
Speaker 5: to Timothy Oliphant's character, the Guy in the Glass. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so yeah, kind of a cool character like his character.
Speaker 1: He's sort of like the investigator, like he gets the extra.
Speaker 1: He's the gumshoe guy, I think, or no, what will
Speaker 1: you call him?
Speaker 5: The end, he's the guy in the chair. He's Oracle, Yeah,
Speaker 5: essentially sort of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of played off like he's sort of
Speaker 1: is he supposed to be on the spectrum. So I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that's what I was thinking about him,
Speaker 1: that he doesn't exist at all, and that he's in
Speaker 1: and what's his name's head? That's his name is?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know who Oh, that's interesting. I'd never thought
Speaker 5: about that. Uh you know who. I was thinking that
Speaker 5: he reminded me of like it because there's a lot
Speaker 5: of Maltese falcon in this movie. I was thinking he
Speaker 5: reminded me a lot of the secretary to Humphrey Bogart's character, Okay,
Speaker 5: just because she was very helpful. Yeah, a great character
Speaker 5: that was also very helpful in the investigation.
Speaker 1: And I'd like that's you get some of the best
Speaker 1: dialogue I think between him and in the brain.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate how mean Brendan is to him. He
Speaker 4: just bosses him around, and he's like, is kind.
Speaker 5: Of kind of mean to his secretary too. He's not
Speaker 5: he's not super nice, but she just takes it and
Speaker 5: is very very cool character. Well, I think that that's
Speaker 5: kind of what they were going for.
Speaker 1: Brendan's very invested in the case because of him his
Speaker 1: affection towards Emily so.
Speaker 5: And again, I don't think Brendan's nice to anybody.
Speaker 4: He's a very he's a very flawed character. But the
Speaker 4: movie is.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been hurt and he has his guard
Speaker 1: up all the time.
Speaker 4: He's moving so fast that you just you you're seeing
Speaker 4: his deeds, but you don't really start to think about
Speaker 4: who he is as a person.
Speaker 1: He's a man of character, though, I think when you
Speaker 1: see what he does like for the most part, Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 4: Get to it. I'll point out the shitty ship he's
Speaker 4: been doing, like, uh, well, you know, he he throws
Speaker 4: her to the ground when when she breaks up with him,
Speaker 4: he rats out Jared. Uh he's a dirty rat period.
Speaker 4: I mean he rated somebody out because he was he
Speaker 4: he was flirting with that's a thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like he got caught up in that though,
Speaker 1: So I wasn't sure if I was really totally his
Speaker 1: fault because he doesn't seem like the kid who's like
Speaker 1: in that world as much. But yeah, he has flood,
Speaker 1: I guess. I mean everybody's flood. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: like I guess in comparison to the other characters. He
Speaker 1: still works as a protagonist for me that I can
Speaker 1: get on his side normally. Yeah, he does like this
Speaker 1: the name go at the end. We'll get to it,
Speaker 1: but he lets her go.
Speaker 4: Like you know, from one I know of nowar films,
Speaker 4: our hero was never Captain America.
Speaker 1: It's always absolutely not a lot of times he's got
Speaker 1: you know, he's got an alcohol problem or something. Yea gambling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do like that, Like by the first like
Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes, you know, we get the idea of like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're in a near film, we're in high
Speaker 1: school setting, we've got some of the characters going on.
Speaker 1: He finds that torn image at the club after he
Speaker 1: talks to Cara, who's played by Megan Good. I haven't
Speaker 1: thought about her in a while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's been in a whole bunch of stuff. She's
Speaker 5: a great damn actor who's been in Journey movies, TV,
Speaker 5: Journey Woman. Yeah, she's she's awesome in this just for
Speaker 5: like the five minutes she's in the film, but she delivers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like she did all her scenes in
Speaker 4: one day and she was just dialed in. When she's
Speaker 4: talking to Brendan, like they like, you immediately understand their relationship.
Speaker 4: They used to date and they're not really civil with
Speaker 4: each other, and.
Speaker 1: She was products she's sort of she was abusive.
Speaker 4: To him and now he's big enough to fight back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she is one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's more of a dominant woman towards men.
Speaker 5: She's like a madam of a whorehouse type of Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's like what he's like, you still picking your teeth
Speaker 4: with freshmen as there's some guy literally kneeled before her.
Speaker 1: You know, doing you know what I mean. But it's
Speaker 1: not I think he's just really messing with her feet
Speaker 1: or something or who know, it's like, yeah, kneeling down.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I think the fact that we don't know
Speaker 4: is what makes an interest you know exactly?
Speaker 1: Was supposed to just like assume things even though its
Speaker 1: high school because it's war. But yeah, I like her
Speaker 1: character and I like this moment, I guess because yeah,
Speaker 1: he found the torn image, which he was sort of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is exactly, but it seemed
Speaker 1: like something different. He found it in the book that
Speaker 1: he found in the locker, like you said, and then
Speaker 1: when he goes into the back room he finds the
Speaker 1: full image with the you know details call here.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, he goes Alloween Halloween in January.
Speaker 4: That's a great that's a great idea and I'm going
Speaker 4: to steal it. But uh yeah, So he goes snooping
Speaker 4: around because Kara emits she knows where Emily is and
Speaker 4: she's just not going to tell him. Yeah, so he
Speaker 4: just he acts like he left and then just walks
Speaker 4: around the back door and comes back in, which is
Speaker 4: very very new. Worry you know, if that's a word,
Speaker 4: it's a word now I made it a word.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nice, I like it.
Speaker 1: So he calls the number and it leads to Laura.
Speaker 1: Is Laura's number, and so he sets up the meet
Speaker 1: with with him, which is the party location.
Speaker 5: Right right, And that's uh so. Laura Dannon is played
Speaker 5: by the great Nora Zettner, who is in shows like Everwood, Heroes,
Speaker 5: Grey's Anatomy and Ryan Johnson Yeah, Ryan, Yeah. Ryan Johnson
Speaker 5: noticed her while he was doing uh the editing on
Speaker 5: his friend's film May and felt she would be a
Speaker 5: good fit for his pardon Brick. And this is this
Speaker 5: is goes back to the multice Falcon things. I feel
Speaker 5: like she is a little bit like Mary Astor's character
Speaker 5: bridget O'Shaughnessy from that film, which would make sense because
Speaker 5: he since Ryan Johnson loves Dashel Hammett, which is what
Speaker 5: that film is based.
Speaker 1: Off of, and she's the one, she's the fem fatal
Speaker 1: or like, yes, he's involved in everything she's in over right, head.
Speaker 5: And like so we we see her initially as she's
Speaker 5: involved but a victim, but we're not really like a
Speaker 5: lot and there's like love affair. Yeah, and there's this
Speaker 5: love affair between the two characters, but like the the
Speaker 5: reality of the situation, like you killed the person that
Speaker 5: I cared about and I can't I can't let that lie.
Speaker 1: And it's like she wants to be emily in a way,
Speaker 1: like she wishes he looked at me that way because
Speaker 1: she sees she says later on, like you think nobody
Speaker 1: sees you the boy who eat his lunch alone behind
Speaker 1: the blah blah and cares for a woman who doesn't
Speaker 1: care for him, you know what I mean. Like so
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it definitely shows that he's flawed, but
Speaker 1: also like we see some of it, like he's a
Speaker 1: hurt character, you know, absolutely a lot of pain.
Speaker 4: She's with Brad just because Brad'll do Brad'll do whatever.
Speaker 4: She says, like she's kind.
Speaker 5: Of like, yeah, she's a little bit like Kara who
Speaker 5: uses men to like you to whatever she needs to happen.
Speaker 1: I think she cares for Brandon.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I do believe there there is a legitimate
Speaker 5: connection between her and Brendan.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that they make love later.
Speaker 5: Yes, the in the deleted scenes of that film, it
Speaker 5: is specifically said that they slept together, but Brian Johnson
Speaker 5: felt it was better to leave it, you know, leave
Speaker 5: us guessing if that's what took place.
Speaker 1: They could have just made out, which is the equivalent
Speaker 1: of having sex in you know, and a nor film.
Speaker 1: But I think they made love then they put their
Speaker 1: because she's smoking after Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you're saying Brad. Brad Bramish who will will
Speaker 5: meet here in just second is played by Brian White,
Speaker 5: who was in films like Mister three thousand, The Family Stone,
Speaker 5: and he was also in The Cabin in the Woods in.
Speaker 4: The Family Stone. That's on the list. We're gonna watch
Speaker 4: it for weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely I knew he looked from I really
Speaker 6: do like her characters because she's clearly the femme fatale,
Speaker 6: and I like that, you know, for this movie, and
Speaker 6: I like that you can clearly tell that she knows
Speaker 6: more than she's letting on, and you know, he wants
Speaker 6: the truth.
Speaker 1: He's not really phased by her allure as a woman
Speaker 1: in a way because he's like he just needs to
Speaker 1: know what's going on with and nobody's telling him that
Speaker 1: the truth. You know.
Speaker 4: So Brendan is real indifferent about her and it fucking
Speaker 4: drives her crazy. Like yeah, like she's like, you you
Speaker 4: should either hate me or love me, but this in
Speaker 4: between shiit she doesn't understand. And I believe that's why
Speaker 4: she's attracted to him.
Speaker 1: Oh of course women tend to be like that, trying
Speaker 1: to turn on the allurea and you know, going for it.
Speaker 1: It makes him curious, like why.
Speaker 4: But this party looks pretty lame. I'm just gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: It does. You walk in, it's like people like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I think they're costume. But then there's no good
Speaker 1: music playing and nobody's just kind of just shuffling around.
Speaker 4: Everyone's just listening to Bread talk about how coach won't
Speaker 4: put him in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Bread is like, dude, he sucks, he does.
Speaker 1: And he's not as tough as he wants everybody to
Speaker 1: think he is.
Speaker 5: No, he's not. It's funny, yeah, like I said, because
Speaker 5: he does the same speech in the parking lot, and
Speaker 5: the dude is just like mad because he's a benchwarmer.
Speaker 5: He's not, he's not like the star quarterback or back
Speaker 5: or whatever the fuck he positioned him put me in.
Speaker 5: It was a game.
Speaker 4: This is really good dialogue. When Brad asked Brendan, what
Speaker 4: are you doing here, He's like leaving, Like I thought
Speaker 4: that that was such a deat line.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I would love to party.
Speaker 1: Was born she she tells him like as if she
Speaker 1: has some information, but ask him to wait right five minutes.
Speaker 1: So he he leaves to follow her. But it looks
Speaker 1: like he's being followed as well, because I saw when
Speaker 1: he when he runs out into the darkness here, we
Speaker 1: can see a person light up a cigarette in the shadow,
Speaker 1: as it looked like to me, unless that was just
Speaker 1: a coincidence.
Speaker 5: I think that that's a coincidence. But I could see
Speaker 5: that like where because she's always how like she she
Speaker 5: noticed him like always? Maybe she always had somebody on
Speaker 5: him and that's how she was able to I see
Speaker 5: you when you think you're not being seen, but.
Speaker 1: Party, So maybe someone's just there lighting up, but it
Speaker 1: looked like someone lady.
Speaker 5: But that's but that's an interesting thought. I've never thought
Speaker 5: about that. Maybe he never always think that she's smarter
Speaker 5: than we're led to believe and that she does have
Speaker 5: people following him.
Speaker 4: Could you give him a bit of information? She said,
Speaker 4: you know, she does the coffee and pie on my line.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then she's like, wait five minutes and I'll tell
Speaker 4: you Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then she meets with this dangerous looking guy which
Speaker 1: we don't know is Tug. But we see the car
Speaker 1: right oh ship, you know, and there's an exchange of
Speaker 1: words there and it looks like it's like a little
Speaker 1: bit it gets a little heated, and then she goes
Speaker 1: back inside the house. So I don't know. I like,
Speaker 1: is that the drug guy? We don't really know.
Speaker 5: Probably we know that well, we saw the car earlier
Speaker 5: that boyfriend M, so it's we're thinking like, okay, this
Speaker 5: is this might be the guy that was scaring M.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So Noah Flices plays Tug. He's in films like Joe
Speaker 5: the King, and he was also a voice actor in
Speaker 5: the Until Dawn video game.
Speaker 4: Based by his wardrobe, he probably listen Biscuit, So.
Speaker 5: Yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: I love later on when we are in his house
Speaker 1: and he's just got like a bunch of siblings. I
Speaker 1: feel like that all have the same gear on or
Speaker 1: they're like, I think that a gang, but I think
Speaker 1: they're all like his cousins and fucking brothers and ship like.
Speaker 5: The mafia is. It's it's a family affair, you know.
Speaker 1: And they're all wearing either white T shirts or wife
Speaker 1: beaters like white they know, they call them tank tops,
Speaker 1: and I still call them white feeders.
Speaker 5: I did too.
Speaker 1: You can't say that anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Brendan follows his lead to coffee, and.
Speaker 1: He does, and he pays Dough to visit in the
Speaker 1: Stone Yeah miss yeah.
Speaker 5: Doade played by Noah Seagan who was a Journeyman actor
Speaker 5: who did a lot of collaborations with Ryan Johnson. He
Speaker 5: was in Looper, he was in The Last Jedi, I'm Sorry,
Speaker 5: and knives out in Glass Onion. So he's been in
Speaker 5: a lot of Ryan Johnson films. I guess he Uh,
Speaker 5: Ryan Johnson likes the cut of this guy's jib.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the first time that our guy kind of
Speaker 1: gets a little lively because this guy gets he gets
Speaker 1: some lip from Doge, I mean Dode, after sensing that
Speaker 1: he's about to be jumped, possibly by the Stoners, you know,
Speaker 1: because they're really slow, he just attacks Dode first to
Speaker 1: kind of make the statement, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like first and I kind of like that fim he squashes,
Speaker 1: like any idea that you know he was they were
Speaker 1: going to gang up on him, and then he tells
Speaker 1: him I like that moment where he's like, I got.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got all my senses working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're like, oh shit, He's right.
Speaker 4: You can really tell the budget of this movie too,
Speaker 4: because the sign for coffee and pie Oh my, literally
Speaker 4: looks like they had it printed out and mark yes.
Speaker 5: So so here here's the thing about that scene. So initially,
Speaker 5: this whole scene was going to play out in the
Speaker 5: parking lot of a Caro's restaurant that they they had
Speaker 5: the owners had agreed to let them do, and they're like,
Speaker 5: oh wait a second, you're blocking up the whole parking lot. No,
Speaker 5: we can't have that. So that sign initially was tagged
Speaker 5: in the window, and then they end up having to
Speaker 5: retreat to some dumpster area. I don't even think it's
Speaker 5: the same building. They had to move to somewhere else,
Speaker 5: and that the rest of the scene played out in
Speaker 5: some dumpster behind a kmart or something, and then they
Speaker 5: stole a shopping car from somewhere to have that as
Speaker 5: part of the scenery too. So it's just that you're right,
Speaker 5: this is a very di y run, you know, kind
Speaker 5: of the see of your pants type of filming that Haddy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the scene I like from the trailers in
Speaker 4: here too, where that the one meth had to sitting
Speaker 4: there blowing the straw and Brenda walks up and takes
Speaker 4: it away from him and gives it back like that
Speaker 4: was That was the scene from the trailer that made
Speaker 4: me interested in watching the movie.
Speaker 1: It was like putting his cigarette out, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, but yeah, I like this. Uh he
Speaker 1: slaps stones around, dude, and then the other stones are
Speaker 1: all scared. I just don't kind of buy Levitt's character
Speaker 1: being this tough though, honestly, like in the beginning at least,
Speaker 1: but I know that we need him to to kind
Speaker 1: of carry our plot along.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he goes best. Yeah, he's doing his
Speaker 5: best to be Humphrey Bogart, and I don't know if
Speaker 5: he fully pulled It's it's hard to take election him
Speaker 5: because because only Bogart can pull off a Bogart. But
Speaker 5: I think Gordon Levitt does at least a decent job
Speaker 5: of trying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I took it more as everyone else was scared
Speaker 4: to fight, and he wasn't more than he was tough,
Speaker 4: like because if.
Speaker 1: You know, will get beat up.
Speaker 4: And yeah he got beat up on tug Wolves's ass
Speaker 4: like twice, but he just keeps.
Speaker 1: Shows his character. Yes, just like with the case, he's
Speaker 1: not going to give up on the case, right mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I mean even Brad whoops this ass a little bit.
Speaker 4: I would say that fight was even till the very end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad, you know, I told he was going to
Speaker 1: fuck up. Brad's Leg's going to lose his career.
Speaker 5: I cringed with that and kept kicking him in the stin.
Speaker 1: I just kept taking to Peter Griffin.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, anyway, yeah, yeah, Doe doesn't give up.
Speaker 4: He said, I'm just not going to tell you. And
Speaker 4: then so Brendan decides to just sneakyly follow him afterwards instead.
Speaker 1: Well, he says, but he does say. He says, m's
Speaker 1: with me now and she doesn't want Brendan getting involved.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want you getting involved with this. And then
Speaker 1: he's like, well she called me, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: well then she called me that about that, Like so
Speaker 1: it's like he's implying that M is with him with
Speaker 1: it it's true, And it turns out to be true
Speaker 1: because when, like you said, when he follows him, it
Speaker 1: leads him to M showing up and she is with him,
Speaker 1: And actually, M's not this fucking innocent, you know girl
Speaker 1: that you know, she's painted out to be a first
Speaker 1: even though she you know, she's not. She doesn't deserve
Speaker 1: to die.
Speaker 4: But it's also that that he follows Dode all the
Speaker 4: way to the theater where Kara is, and Brendan doesn't go
Speaker 4: in and follow him anymore. He's like, I'm not going
Speaker 4: in there. That's that's dangerous turf to go into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is where he so he sees Emily
Speaker 1: and this is our first clips to Emily alive, right,
Speaker 1: and so like we're like, she's with Dode, but why
Speaker 1: he gives her something and then she places it in
Speaker 1: her notebook?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Is that the that's the thing for that he said
Speaker 1: to me when he said to me.
Speaker 5: Right, and so what what when? Yeah, so we don't
Speaker 5: know what that note is. But when when Brendan gets
Speaker 5: close to M, he steals that notebook and then she
Speaker 5: takes off and he looks at it and we just
Speaker 5: see this like what looks like a giant a midnight
Speaker 5: and we're not really sure what the fuck that means yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. You can also tell though, that he
Speaker 1: fucking loves her because when he's sitting there having his
Speaker 1: lunch and she shows up and she's just all the
Speaker 1: way down there, like he fucking Josh Haul's ass pockets her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but does that make him Barry's trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on with her. She's a drug ridder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in general, is bad. They made a.
Speaker 1: Command of God, Matt. It's fucking did the World's not
Speaker 1: white and black, buddy.
Speaker 4: But there is right and wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he I mean, but he's trying to
Speaker 1: figure what. She gets herself killed with what she's doing.
Speaker 1: So maybe if he had done more.
Speaker 4: Or he would get to you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Just he seems he's not treating her like someone he
Speaker 4: loves here, He's treating her like something and it, honestly,
Speaker 4: it started to creep me out right about here where
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, this isn't healthy. He's not a healthy person.
Speaker 5: And you're you're right, Matt, I agree with you. He
Speaker 5: does not because the way that he talks about him.
Speaker 5: It's not about someone that he loves, because he kind
Speaker 5: of like doesn't really care, but he doesn't like he
Speaker 5: can't let it go because he's thinking that maybe it
Speaker 5: has something to do with him, which where let the
Speaker 5: which we find out towards the end, that it might
Speaker 5: be a possibility, like his reasoning as to why he
Speaker 5: kept pursuing this.
Speaker 1: It turns out it's his kid, so.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, that's the thing we find. We do end
Speaker 5: up finding was pregnant. No, I don't think so, because.
Speaker 1: That could explain him pursuing harder. But I don't think it.
Speaker 4: When Doe brings up the baby for the first time,
Speaker 4: he's he's generally shocked.
Speaker 1: And he and he believes that it would be one
Speaker 1: of theirs. Ether tugs are ordades.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I wonder if maybe there I actually don't
Speaker 5: understand Brendan's why he's pursuing this. That's the one thing
Speaker 5: I can't quite pink bringing up.
Speaker 4: I can protect you, I can protect you, I can
Speaker 4: protect you.
Speaker 1: It's like he can't let go. It's an extra relationship
Speaker 1: recently broken up, and she's also going down a darkness
Speaker 1: I really want. Yeah, it's possessive. He realizes that, and
Speaker 1: he realizes that it's why she's he pushed her away,
Speaker 1: and at the same time, she's pushing him away because
Speaker 1: she realizes, like, you can't save me and this is
Speaker 1: the word, this is my choice, and you have.
Speaker 4: To let me do this scene, she's like, I broke
Speaker 4: up with you because you just sit back here all
Speaker 4: day and judge and hate people. Your boy, that's got
Speaker 4: to be a hard pill to swallow, you know.
Speaker 5: That's Brendan to a tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's you can tell something like he's been
Speaker 1: hurt for sure, and he doesn't trust nobody. He didn't
Speaker 1: like people for sure. He's a loner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would love to hear. It's one of those
Speaker 5: things where I'm glad there's not like a prequel of this,
Speaker 5: but at the same time, it makes me curious of
Speaker 5: the backstory of like how Brennan became, how Brennan became
Speaker 5: and like this this is a very strange universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I feel like from the clues I took, their
Speaker 4: relationship was very toxic and they just they made each
Speaker 4: other worse, and them breaking up was probably a very
Speaker 4: good thing. And if and if she just could have
Speaker 4: stayed out of trouble until she graduated. They both probably
Speaker 4: would have been fine, but.
Speaker 1: She got stuck with that that bad crowd.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, well I feel like, I mean, like they
Speaker 4: hint that Laura and Kara like manipulate her and use
Speaker 4: her and so like, like it wasn't just that she
Speaker 4: was stupid, but that she was taking advantage of while
Speaker 4: she was in this vulnerable state. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's definite running away from something that way.
Speaker 4: The principle is using or the VPS, using Brendan while
Speaker 4: he's in the vulnerable state. You know. You people, they
Speaker 4: they find people who have a mental health issue and
Speaker 4: then they selfishly try to use them, and uh, they
Speaker 4: just you know, they didn't have that language back.
Speaker 1: Like the police chief almost if you know. And and
Speaker 1: our main character is almost like retire or ex police
Speaker 1: who's now just a PI.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, the private dick. Yeah, stepping on the
Speaker 4: police's toes and getting in there.
Speaker 1: This guy's got something on them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It almost seems too like Emily's character wants to punish
Speaker 1: herself for some reason too, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like she's like even though I even though this guy
Speaker 1: wants to help her, and the guy's flowed obviously she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to love, like she doesn't love him anymore.
Speaker 1: But she's still you know, she's still okay with just
Speaker 1: being I don't know, like she knows what The life
Speaker 1: she's choosing is very bad. It's just it's kind of
Speaker 1: sad to see you know, uh, someone like that just
Speaker 1: kind of like take to that world and just embrace
Speaker 1: it in a way when it's like, you have so
Speaker 1: much potential, you know what I mean? Do you like,
Speaker 1: no matter how bad do you think, things are, Like
Speaker 1: two years from now, they could be totally different. You
Speaker 1: have no idea, and you know all you gotta do
Speaker 1: is fucking strive and keep going.
Speaker 4: When you're that young two years, I.
Speaker 1: Know, like forever, I know, you have no sense of
Speaker 1: you don't have a maturity, you don't have the intelligence.
Speaker 4: Now I will actively put stuff off for two years
Speaker 4: like it's nothing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I get their relationship in a way, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it just, yeah, they're not great
Speaker 1: for each other, they don't. They deserve to be with
Speaker 1: somebody different probably, but it's still they still care for
Speaker 1: each other in this interesting way.
Speaker 4: So but he has the note now and he takes
Speaker 4: it to Brain and they have this really awesome brainstorming
Speaker 4: scene where they try to figure out everything she said
Speaker 4: over the phone plus what this note means and put
Speaker 4: it all together. I thought that. I thought that was
Speaker 4: a really good scene. I pretty much like every scene
Speaker 4: brains in uh.
Speaker 7: I think, yeah, yeah, I like the dialogue that these
Speaker 7: two have together, like you said, trying to figure it out, like, okay,
Speaker 7: she is four termed, I don't know the understanding of
Speaker 7: and so they go through it.
Speaker 5: It's like what it could possibly mean, and that's a tug,
Speaker 5: oh tug, that's interesting, saying that could be this or.
Speaker 4: Drink with milk and vodka. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: white Russians. Yeah, thanks Brain, I want a white Russian
Speaker 4: now you ask?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do like that. And it leads to when
Speaker 1: he figures out I guess what the A was right?
Speaker 1: The midnight thing, Well, he does it.
Speaker 4: He goes home and he's looking he knows something's happening
Speaker 4: at midnight, and they show him staring at his digital
Speaker 4: clock and he falls asleep and then he has a
Speaker 4: dream about the tunnel. Yeah, so when he wakes up,
Speaker 4: he's like, oh it wasn't an a. It's a drawing
Speaker 4: of the tunnel and he wakes up at like four
Speaker 4: in the morning and runs straight there.
Speaker 5: And Brain says like, sometimes they'll use symbols to uh,
Speaker 5: so that way it doesn't get like picked up of
Speaker 5: like what they're talking about, so symbol to Yeah.
Speaker 4: They don't know to go to the tunnel at midnight.
Speaker 1: And the rest of the Eggs and Bingo exactly is
Speaker 1: an orgy at the tunnel at midnight. When he goes there,
Speaker 1: that's where we find her body. So this is the
Speaker 1: scene that was playing out in the beginning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and so we're back to the beginning, and
Speaker 5: then this is where the investigation really kicks off.
Speaker 1: I like this moment too, where he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what to do. Uh, he's kind
Speaker 1: of in shock. And then we hear that someone else
Speaker 1: is there in the tunnel in the darkness. You hear
Speaker 1: footsteps and someone like runs but he can't catch them.
Speaker 4: Brenon chases Chase, Chares to chas him down, and the
Speaker 4: person knocks him out. So we don't know who it
Speaker 4: is and we don't find out. So half the movie's
Speaker 4: gone by, but then he like. Then then he just
Speaker 4: he walks to school because it's still that early in
Speaker 4: the morning. School hasn't even started yet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't think he does leave her there. I
Speaker 1: think he cleaned her up and then he went.
Speaker 4: So well, he comes back later to move the body,
Speaker 4: so we.
Speaker 1: Know because Dods there, Dods there and sees what he
Speaker 1: did when he moved the body. So the way I
Speaker 1: think they cut it, I think they cut it as
Speaker 1: if he went and moved the body. I'm not looking,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 4: He moved the they just didn't show us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then he went to school and he's like telling
Speaker 1: kind of what happened after. It's like almost after flashing
Speaker 1: back to like what happened with the tunnel. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I thought that too. I was like, oh, he
Speaker 1: went back, But then I was like, no, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Now they're cutting it now. They looked like they were
Speaker 1: editing it to look like as if it all happened there.
Speaker 1: Because then Doat says later on I saw you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, then he must have stuck around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: Really interesting how it plays out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now he's sitting on the information two over death.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because brain says, hey, can you so can
Speaker 4: you help Emily And he's like no, He's like can
Speaker 4: you break someone's teeth about it? And he's like, yes,
Speaker 4: yes I can. And like so like the movie kind
Speaker 4: of takes a shift now or like it's more of
Speaker 4: a revenge film now than an investigation, even though it's
Speaker 4: still an event investigation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where he's like they speak on
Speaker 1: like m's last word that he to him about the
Speaker 1: pin and look that can mean he turns out it's
Speaker 1: a kingpin like drug runner of town. My notes say
Speaker 1: frog runner. I don't know why, but you know it's
Speaker 1: he's a twenty six year old you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: oh god, he's like the older kid. He lies with
Speaker 1: his mom in the basement, he tells drugs. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're starting to figure out like, all right, there's
Speaker 1: this dark, shadowy kingpin figure character who might be behind
Speaker 1: things now and Brendan kind of at this point he
Speaker 1: like shakes a few branches and to like rustle up
Speaker 1: some leaves if you will, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And this is this is where he punches out Brad
Speaker 5: in the parking lot and gets in the plight with
Speaker 5: him to shake the trees. Yeah, because Brad Brad is
Speaker 5: one of the biggest buyers from the Pin, and so
Speaker 5: he figures that, like by knocking him out, that something
Speaker 5: is gonna get shaken there and it's going to get
Speaker 5: the Pin's attention and he's gonna figure out like where
Speaker 5: the Pin is so he can kind of work his
Speaker 5: way into that organization and try to figure out what
Speaker 5: happened to him.
Speaker 4: There's a great shot in this scene where they're in
Speaker 4: the parking lot where the camera is focused on Laura
Speaker 4: and then you just see the car sag and then
Speaker 4: it pans over to Brendan leaning sitting on the trunk,
Speaker 4: so like they show like they showed the moment he
Speaker 4: set on the trunk in her frame and then pinned
Speaker 4: like like so, oh you know someone's there. And I
Speaker 4: thought it was a very clever shot the way they
Speaker 4: did it. We also missed the scene where he's walking
Speaker 4: across the football field as the sun's coming up and
Speaker 4: he is I guess when him and Emily broke up
Speaker 4: for the first time, was also there in the football field. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And that's the scene they flash back and he pushes
Speaker 4: her down. He's saying He's like, I'm just trying to
Speaker 4: protect you, and then he gives her a good shove.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, so it was interesting about like any scenes
Speaker 5: in the football field what So anytime you see like
Speaker 5: the grass and everything like that was when they initially
Speaker 5: filmed the uh, but when they had to come back
Speaker 5: for a couple of reshoots for some scenes, they had
Speaker 5: actually redone the football field and they did like turf.
Speaker 5: So anytime you see that anybody above the waist in
Speaker 5: a scene at the football field, that's after they redid
Speaker 5: the football field. It's it's completely there was it's because
Speaker 5: it went from regular grass to a turf.
Speaker 4: It was a good Magic Hour shot where he's walking
Speaker 4: across that field with the sun coming up. Yes, it
Speaker 4: really sets the mood of like God, he's exhausted and
Speaker 4: his life's falling apart and he still has to go
Speaker 4: to school. Fuck you know yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he has the altercation with Brad Bradley did
Speaker 1: jack you know, total douche. They fight, like we said,
Speaker 1: Brandon barely went brand sweets with Laura. She wants to help.
Speaker 1: She tells him to stay away from him. Oh, he
Speaker 1: tells her to stay away though, because you can't trust her.
Speaker 1: You know that she's a player.
Speaker 4: She's not worth the trouble boys. He loves that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, I am, I am worth the trouble.
Speaker 1: He makes a call of the brain a touch base,
Speaker 1: and he's getting closer to the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At this moment, you know, the dangerous looking guy who
Speaker 1: Laura spoke with at the party is behind him when
Speaker 1: he gets off the phone and he punches Brandon out cold.
Speaker 1: We is a random olymp Biscuit fan. He just wants
Speaker 1: to break stuff. And then next week we meet up
Speaker 1: with v P. Truman, you know, and it's like we said,
Speaker 1: you know, ex cop, sort of chief of police kind
Speaker 1: of relationship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's and he's played by the legendary Richard Rowntree,
Speaker 5: who's assistant Vice Principal Truman, who mainly is unfortunately he's
Speaker 5: a great actor, but is really only known for his
Speaker 5: role as Shaft. And I actually I didn't realize that
Speaker 5: this was going to be our Richard Browntree. The first
Speaker 5: film with him. I plan on that being Shaft, but
Speaker 5: this works out. The chef, yeah exactly, but no, he
Speaker 5: he he's in the film for two minutes and he's
Speaker 5: awesome in it. He's great.
Speaker 4: Brandon does a great line in here because, uh, I
Speaker 4: guess one of the reasons him and Emily broke up
Speaker 4: is he turned in someone named jerr uh because to
Speaker 4: protect Emily, and uh, the VP's talking, he brings up
Speaker 4: Jared and he's like, no, no, no, I gave I gave
Speaker 4: you Jared to be eaten, not for you to be fed.
Speaker 4: And I was like that that is one of the
Speaker 4: best written lines in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, because he had a personal stake he didn't
Speaker 1: want he was supplying drugs to them, correct, Like yeah.
Speaker 4: And he he used the cops or you know the cops.
Speaker 4: He used them as a tool. Uh, not the other
Speaker 4: way around, and he wanted to make that clear.
Speaker 1: But they wanted to use him and kind of play
Speaker 1: that against him too.
Speaker 4: Now that you're they're like, we can let everyone know
Speaker 4: you're a rat, so now we own Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's not like he's a rat to everybody. He
Speaker 1: was a rat in a specific one time because of
Speaker 1: how much he cared about them. It's not it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it right, but I get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it speaks on his character like he has
Speaker 1: this claw. Yeah. Oh, all the people in school gonna
Speaker 1: hate you for sure. But yeah, I like the complexity
Speaker 1: to his character though, you know, it makes it for
Speaker 1: a good watch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean like, if he was a straight
Speaker 4: shooter Captain America type character, it'd be boring.
Speaker 1: It probably would be Yeah to do gooder fucking the
Speaker 1: whole time. And I like that he's not like he fights.
Speaker 1: He's scrappy, but he doesn't necessarily wopass all the time.
Speaker 1: He'll try and get the last licking, you know, And
Speaker 1: he takes his lickings for sure, which I admire. Even
Speaker 1: if you get your ass kick. The fact that you
Speaker 1: can get up and take a punch to the chin
Speaker 1: AND's like, that's not everybody can do that, man. Some
Speaker 1: people take one punch and they're done. So to get
Speaker 1: beat up all day like that and swallow your blood,
Speaker 1: you know, admirable. But yeah, he talks to the brain
Speaker 1: of the phone and then Dads. We find out that
Speaker 1: Doad's in the wind. Oh, Truman wants a fall guy too.
Speaker 1: We find out that he's looking for a fall guy.
Speaker 4: And if he and if Brennan doesn't get him one
Speaker 4: within two weeks, he'll just use Brendan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the screws around Brennan a little bit,
Speaker 1: and that's why Brannan talks to the to the brain
Speaker 1: again over the phone, and then we find out that
Speaker 1: Doad's in the wind and Laura is looking for Brennan.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah uh brain Brain on the phone says, Carra
Speaker 4: came and shook him down, and he's like, fuck if
Speaker 4: I if I knew where you were, I would have
Speaker 4: told her. No, He's like, yeah, it's real nice to know. Well,
Speaker 4: because earlier install her cigarettes because they were tugged cigarettes
Speaker 4: and that's how he put some pieces together earlier too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well actually tugs us and smoked cigarettes. Tugs it
Speaker 1: smokes weed. Oh, that's that comes into play later because
Speaker 1: he asked him because there's either two people in that
Speaker 1: car or.
Speaker 4: It's okay, because that's what I thought, because the cigarette
Speaker 4: is strong. The passenger sidne.
Speaker 1: The cigarette was. Yeah, the cigarette was what's her name
Speaker 1: was Laura's. Yeah, it was Laura's cigarette. That's how you
Speaker 1: could That's how he finds out that Laura's involved in
Speaker 1: this whole thing, and then he breaks it down to
Speaker 1: Laura at the end basically like here I figured it
Speaker 1: all out, Like you were involved in this, this and that,
Speaker 1: and she's basically like confirms it, but then they don't
Speaker 1: do anything about it. How do you, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just jumping ahead, but I'm curious how you feel kind
Speaker 1: of like on that that no resolution sort of vibe.
Speaker 1: I think that'll work for this sort of style of
Speaker 1: a film. It's a bittersweet feel like he did.
Speaker 5: I think he did essentially sell her.
Speaker 1: I have a fall guy.
Speaker 5: She's the fall guy.
Speaker 1: Well, she walks away. I feel like they have they
Speaker 1: have lucas they I mean, they have the pin, they
Speaker 1: have tug. Those are the fall guys. Like they have that.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to put her out there. She's she's
Speaker 1: got to live at what she did. I feel like too,
Speaker 1: and then she's never gonna be with him. Because of that,
Speaker 1: he can't be with her.
Speaker 5: The other thing, too, is that it feels a little
Speaker 5: like the Maltese Falcon in that they do end up catching. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the other guys end up dying, but they catch those people.
Speaker 5: Those are the ball guys. But she's also involved, and
Speaker 5: he already kind of spilled the whole story about like
Speaker 5: oh if well, if you're not involved, then you have
Speaker 5: nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: In the in the letters that he drops off. If
Speaker 1: he did drop off, if they're even real, he might
Speaker 1: have been bluffing.
Speaker 5: I feel like they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be could be like a Shortinger's cat
Speaker 1: kind of deal.
Speaker 5: It could be yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But Brendan is on his way to see uh
Speaker 1: what what was it? Oh, He's on his way home
Speaker 1: and he sees the He's gonna go home early. I
Speaker 1: like how he says, I got daggers in my in
Speaker 1: my eyes or whatever, I'm going home early, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking going home early from school. It's funny, like kind
Speaker 1: of when you think about it, you know. And then
Speaker 1: so he's gone home and then he backs up and
Speaker 1: he ends up. It's he sees the muscle the muscle
Speaker 1: car uh parked up, and so he pays him a visit.
Speaker 4: He thinks about it for about three seconds, and he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to put a brick through this fucking window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and get his attention. And then the guy's coming
Speaker 1: up and it's just kind of like tugs characters like
Speaker 1: I don't know it shouts a line of like goofy,
Speaker 1: really goofy.
Speaker 5: She's the most interesting. He's the weirdest character in the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's the acting or the writing.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think it's the acting, because everyone
Speaker 4: else is also a goofy character, but they we take
Speaker 4: it because the acting is so good and the dialogue
Speaker 4: is so good. We take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 4: And Tug doesn't talk until this movie is halfway over,
Speaker 4: so we just see him through his his actions, and
Speaker 4: you know, he's very He overacts a lot of it,
Speaker 4: like like he's he's walking like the damn terminator, like
Speaker 4: Connor McGregor, you know, fucking two beers in and it
Speaker 4: does look a little silly. But then Tug like whoops
Speaker 4: his ass, punses him like five times. He says I
Speaker 4: want to see pen and then Tug beats him up
Speaker 4: and he just keeps saying. Brendan keep saying I want
Speaker 4: to see pin and hit.
Speaker 1: Some of the door.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when he runs, when he Tug drives away,
Speaker 1: Brennan throws a piece of the rock that broke the
Speaker 1: brick or whatever whatever send the buck. He throws it
Speaker 1: at the car and hits the car. Tug stops and
Speaker 1: then the car like he's gonna do something. Then he
Speaker 1: keeps going. He peels off, and so we're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's done. And I kind of like there's that got
Speaker 1: some dead air for a moment where like this guy's
Speaker 1: just kind of collecting himself in the pocket lot, not
Speaker 1: thinking anything, trying to think of his next move. And
Speaker 1: then we suddenly start hearing the motor again of Tug's
Speaker 1: car getting louder and louder, and it's him coming fine
Speaker 1: through the pocketing lot, and you think he's gonna hit
Speaker 1: hit him, but I guess he's just trying to scare him,
Speaker 1: just to really see, like, all right, you really want
Speaker 1: to fucking see the pin like you're really about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and shake you. But if you, you know.
Speaker 4: I think Tug was seen if he would run away
Speaker 4: if you yeah, yeah, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: Got balls.
Speaker 4: They show a close up with Joseph Gordon Levitt's face
Speaker 4: with the makeup on, and I mean, for this, for
Speaker 4: it being a minimal makeup, they did a real good
Speaker 4: job of making it look like he got punched and
Speaker 4: hit the concrete a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, have some raspberries there on the cheek and
Speaker 1: shin for sure.
Speaker 4: And they do a thing I like too They did
Speaker 4: this in Atomic Blonde, where someone will get hurt and
Speaker 4: they keep those wounds the rest of the movie because sometimes,
Speaker 4: you know, like especially in the older action movies from
Speaker 4: the eighties, like wounds would just disappear after a continuity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's important because that kind of stuff can take
Speaker 1: you out of the movie. So, and this is the
Speaker 1: kind of movie. I think you want to be invested
Speaker 1: in it as much as you can in this kind
Speaker 1: of story. But yeah, he's taken to see the pit,
Speaker 1: but he's taken in the trunk, so he doesn't know
Speaker 1: where he's going.
Speaker 4: And we learned that Tug still listens to cassette tapes
Speaker 4: in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty well. He drives a muscle car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most likely going to.
Speaker 4: Have gems on cassette. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: So you cay FYI whatever, no fy anyway. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's taking to see the pit, and this is where
Speaker 1: we get introduced to the pit. We meet him. He's
Speaker 1: a little underwhelming, I don't know.
Speaker 5: So so Lucas Hawks, who plays the pin. He's doing
Speaker 5: films like like Witness Mars Attacks. Uh, he was an inception.
Speaker 5: He was the original architect on Cops Team an inception.
Speaker 5: I find it. I know he's trying to do his
Speaker 5: best version of a Sydney green Street a little bit,
Speaker 5: obviously not as a charismatic, but I also find it
Speaker 5: very interesting that gave his character a disability, which I'm
Speaker 5: not sure they don't explicitly state what it is. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if it's like a club foot, or if
Speaker 5: it's like he has like one leg that's shorter than
Speaker 5: the other, which is like what my wife says, triple.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, right, though he does have something.
Speaker 1: They show his foot, his shoes bigger than the one
Speaker 1: right he's wearing a.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's why.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was like, I'm not sure that they
Speaker 5: don't explicitly state what his disability.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's I think it's the main They're like, listen,
Speaker 4: we want him to have a prop to make him
Speaker 4: look more sinister.
Speaker 1: He can look like Sidney green Street. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like he you know, they needed him
Speaker 1: to have that part. So this is how we do
Speaker 1: it in real in a real world setting. We make them,
Speaker 1: you know, have a disability.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like, I said, I I did like that
Speaker 5: aspect of it. But yeah, you're right, he is a
Speaker 5: little underwhelming.
Speaker 1: He's like very soft spoken, so to like, I get
Speaker 1: the character, and there's some cool dialogue and back and
Speaker 1: forth later on with him and in our main character.
Speaker 1: I don't hate the character. I just I did. I
Speaker 1: found it a little underwhelming when you finally see him.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's the point too. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, like I said, because when you think of Sidney
Speaker 5: Green Screetze character in The Maltese Falcon, he's at least
Speaker 5: like he's really fun that you actually you know he's
Speaker 5: the bad guy, but like you're kind of having fun
Speaker 5: with him, whereas with this character the Pin, he's yeah,
Speaker 5: he's spoken, but he's not He's a bad guy, but
Speaker 5: he's not necessarily like he's someone that you might get
Speaker 5: along with. He's not a bad guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he has the besides the main character.
Speaker 4: I think he has the best dialogue in the movie.
Speaker 4: They just give him some really good lines over and
Speaker 4: over and over again.
Speaker 1: They do him, and him and the main character have
Speaker 1: the most.
Speaker 4: It's very witty, you know. They if they were D
Speaker 4: and D characters, they'd both have charisma and the high teens.
Speaker 4: You know, Yes, but I love his room. I love
Speaker 4: that room so much. Speaking of D and D, I
Speaker 4: would play tons of D and D in that room. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he could would paneling, greenshat carpet. It's like begging, it's
Speaker 4: begging for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So so, like I said, that hallway and that office,
Speaker 5: those are those are the only ones that were sets
Speaker 5: that were built for the film because that those didn't
Speaker 5: exist in that house that they were filling in. But
Speaker 5: uh yeah, it's just uh just fun the wooding the
Speaker 5: very seventies.
Speaker 1: We know that Laura is in on it too somehow
Speaker 1: at this point too, because she's like yep, and she's
Speaker 1: always getting rides. I'll get you ride, I'll give your ride.
Speaker 1: But Brennan's actually what.
Speaker 4: Well, Brendan even says like you should bring her in here,
Speaker 4: and and he acts like he doesn't know what he's
Speaker 4: talking about. And then later she shows up and proving
Speaker 4: that Brennan was right.
Speaker 1: The whole time exactly. Brennan's actually at the Pinn's house too.
Speaker 1: It's funny, kind of funny because the Pin's mother is
Speaker 1: there like offering Brennan later on like corn flakes and
Speaker 1: like something to drink with it, and he has milk
Speaker 1: and in his cereal, so well.
Speaker 4: He's not a psycho.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh. And then yeah, she drives them back and
Speaker 1: breaks it down for him. You know, you could tell
Speaker 1: that she's really into him in a way. I feel
Speaker 1: like she uses men, yes, but and maybe she uses
Speaker 1: him a little bit, but at the same time she's invested.
Speaker 1: It's just like you know, north By Northwest or like that,
Speaker 1: that love You get a love interest that happens even
Speaker 1: though there's other things at stake, and not everybody's putting
Speaker 1: all the truth on the table. You know, there's some
Speaker 1: double play here. It's almost like, hey, in a perfect world,
Speaker 1: if this wasn't going on, like I would love you
Speaker 1: blah blah, you know, but I can't because of because
Speaker 1: of this situation, because you get you know, you got
Speaker 1: m killed or whatever. Basically. But yeah, I thought the
Speaker 1: Pin was underwhelming at first, but I mean he's still
Speaker 1: an interesting character and he has some better moments later,
Speaker 1: and like you said, the dialog is good. This is
Speaker 1: where we get making Goods character again too, when she's
Speaker 1: all dressed up like in the kimono Scilla good woman,
Speaker 1: and then we there's an assassin that oh that's right.
Speaker 1: They the Pin tells him like, hey, you, we'll be
Speaker 1: in contact, whether we need you to use you on
Speaker 1: our team or whether we're gonna take you out, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if we don't believe you.
Speaker 4: Yea offers basically to be a double agent, and the BP,
Speaker 4: the information pen, wants him to and uh, you know, Pins, basically,
Speaker 4: I'll think about it. You know, let Laura drive you home.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, take me to school instead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, the assassin comes for him and we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: is he sent by Pin? Like we don't really know,
Speaker 1: we're assuming he is. Our boy dispatches him, though. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of klick clacking click clacking with the with
Speaker 1: the with the shoes, and you kind of wonder like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fucking loud. But then it plays into like, well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna take his shoes off so that he can
Speaker 1: slide forward without the guy hearing him. And the guy's
Speaker 1: shoes is so loud that you can hear him coming
Speaker 1: a mile away. Yeah, he trips him like a cartoon
Speaker 1: and then he clo I was waiting for him to
Speaker 1: have like a really big, like fucking nod on his head. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: is this guy some birds, knocked out, knocked out I.
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, yeah, we never hear about him again.
Speaker 5: Yeah we didn't hear about a body, but no we
Speaker 5: so we don't we know, so we we do hear
Speaker 5: about what his What happens later and we find out
Speaker 5: that he was hired by Brad because he was pissed
Speaker 5: off about getting his ass kicked in the parking lots.
Speaker 1: So he wasn't the Yeah, he wasn't the message that
Speaker 1: was going to come from Pen that we thought.
Speaker 5: It was just a coincidence.
Speaker 1: He was going to kill him though, like he went
Speaker 1: and cut his jacket. But yeah, so there's a little
Speaker 1: action there too. And then he ends up meeting up
Speaker 1: with the Pin again. That's when the Pin shows up
Speaker 1: in his van. It's like his mobile office. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do I take the tackiness of my office and
Speaker 1: and mobilize it for when I leave the house. I
Speaker 1: want to be filled like with tacky ship as well.
Speaker 4: He has it pin table lamp in his.
Speaker 1: It's like a limo're supposed to represent like a limousine.
Speaker 5: The only thing that he was missing on that band
Speaker 5: was a murror carpet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a mural of a barbarian m maybe yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this this is too where he see we see
Speaker 1: that he lines himself with Penn. You know, he's working
Speaker 1: for him, a double agent kind of deal, like you said,
Speaker 1: to uncover the truth about Emily's death, you know, from
Speaker 1: the inside kind of deal. So I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: And he breaks into Pin's house after and finds all
Speaker 1: the money and you know, uh, he finds a brick
Speaker 1: wrapped in a tarp or the same tarp that was
Speaker 1: in his dreams to black. Yeah, yeah, that's why he's
Speaker 1: drawn to it. And then what happens, oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: same talp from his dream about Emily. And then he
Speaker 1: talks with Tug. We learn of the the bricks of
Speaker 1: the drugs. There there were what ten of them? Uh,
Speaker 1: eight of them went out smooth right in this steal
Speaker 1: to different places. And then you know, because Tug breaks
Speaker 1: it down for us from the top, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: and he and the ninth one is where it got
Speaker 1: fucked up, right, and that's the one that led to
Speaker 1: EM's death. What happened with that one? And then there's
Speaker 1: one more left and that's what causes like to stir
Speaker 1: in the very end of this, you know, after you
Speaker 1: find out.
Speaker 4: We have a scene earlier where Pen and Rendon are
Speaker 4: walking on the beach. It's like there, it's like his
Speaker 4: welcome party or whatever. Hm, and Penn confides that, like,
Speaker 4: I don't have control over Tug anymore and it might
Speaker 4: be a problem real soon, uh, which I think was
Speaker 4: a weird thing to tell this guy you just hired.
Speaker 4: But maybe he's just like, listen, you might have to
Speaker 4: be out, yeah, fucking get ready to duck, you know.
Speaker 1: So, like he was gonna ask him, He's like, what's
Speaker 1: you what are your thoughts on the.
Speaker 4: I was I was there when it all started. Three
Speaker 4: dollars bill Man.
Speaker 1: Just fake it till you make it nice. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then we aarn of what the So the ninth the
Speaker 1: ninth brick was was cut or no, that one went
Speaker 1: missing went missing?
Speaker 4: Nick that came back cut And they think they someone
Speaker 4: put like fucking fabrics oftener in it because it put
Speaker 4: that guy Frisco. They keep they kept saying the word Frisco.
Speaker 4: We found out it's a person and he's in the
Speaker 4: Coleman hasn't woke up yet, which.
Speaker 5: Is like Fred Frisco or something like was his name
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 1: And so then we find out that the tenth one
Speaker 1: is is it's doubted whether or not it's it's legit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is all the stuff they're blaming Emily on, yeah,
Speaker 4: even though uh Kara and Laura kind of got her
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, it's all shady. But then he took
Speaker 1: Uh's a. He's picked up by Laura and he passes
Speaker 1: out though from exhaustion, and I thought he was druged
Speaker 1: at first, but then it's about he's apparently exhausted and
Speaker 1: also he's been swallowing his own blood for a portion
Speaker 1: of the day, That's what she says at least, And
Speaker 1: so he wakes up later with her kind of taking
Speaker 1: care of him in the back seat, but he's lost
Speaker 1: time now because he passed out. In Times of of
Speaker 1: the Essence at this point, well, he finds Dode and
Speaker 1: Doade was the one in the tunnel. We find out
Speaker 1: he thinks Brendan killed Emily though, so it's like they're
Speaker 1: all pointing fingers at each other, like we think it's dowed.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of red herrings in play before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before Brendan goes down to the tunnel with everybody
Speaker 4: he has a one on one just him and Doad,
Speaker 4: and Doad says, I'm about to rat you out to
Speaker 4: all these people and they're gonna fucking kill you because
Speaker 4: he thinks he killed Emily.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that was that was on the football
Speaker 5: because so the the first uh telephone call with Doade
Speaker 5: where he's given the same note that he got earlier
Speaker 5: in the film to meet at that telephone booth, although
Speaker 5: it's in different handwriting, and we see him like he
Speaker 5: lost time. So he hauls ass to the telephone booth.
Speaker 5: And after that, like then we the scene that we're
Speaker 5: talking about now, we have the confrontation scene on the
Speaker 5: football field with Doad where he's like, I know it
Speaker 5: was you. I saw you there, I saw you move
Speaker 5: the body like you're involved, and it was funny. It's
Speaker 5: a great scene and it's funny. Is the doe Noah Segan.
Speaker 5: He apparently had really bad food poisoning that day and
Speaker 5: like had very strong flu like symptoms. He doesn't remember
Speaker 5: filming that scene at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when actually, before that we find out
Speaker 1: that he met DoD at the tunnel where he thinks
Speaker 1: Brendan killed Emily. But we find out that Emily was
Speaker 1: actually pregnant this this whole time before.
Speaker 5: She asked he and he caught Brendan at the wrong
Speaker 5: time when he was moving the body and thinking that
Speaker 5: he was involved in her death, and it was just
Speaker 5: he Brendan was just kind of hiding her body so
Speaker 5: that he could have more time to figure out what
Speaker 5: happened to her, not obviously not trying to cover anything up.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's a very tense scene on the phot Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean several times.
Speaker 4: Like that's what I would have thought too if I
Speaker 4: saw someone body Dunnell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. And then he goes after the football field.
Speaker 1: That's where he goes to meet with Penn and Tug
Speaker 1: and Dog's there as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like Doade had, he had met Brendan on
Speaker 5: the field and confronted him, and we we had already
Speaker 5: had the conversation at the phone booth that he wanted
Speaker 5: to hurt Brendan because thinking that he's involved. We have
Speaker 5: the confrontation at the football field, trying because Brendan wants
Speaker 5: to give his side of the story, but Doad's not
Speaker 5: hearing it.
Speaker 1: Does car several times throughout the film. Cigarette but yeah,
Speaker 1: cigarette thrown out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he that day Noah Seagan, who plays Dode,
Speaker 5: was he had the flu or he had a food poisoning.
Speaker 5: He actually doesn't remember filming this scene at all that
Speaker 5: for that particular day, but I think he still delivered
Speaker 5: a great performance here him and Joseph gor and love
Speaker 5: it and yeah, kicks his ass again and Brendan blanks
Speaker 5: out and then yeah, we're back in the tunnel and
Speaker 5: it's uh, we got the pin, we got Tug, we
Speaker 5: got DoD, and Brendan is coming up from behind and
Speaker 5: this is where we get the uh. Just so another
Speaker 5: crazy scene from this movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some really good camera work here where uh,
Speaker 4: the way the actors are facing each other and the
Speaker 4: way the camera is you think, you think Dode adults
Speaker 4: talking to Brendan, but Tug is right behind him, mean
Speaker 4: Mugg and Dode, and like it really sets this what's
Speaker 4: about to happen up? And I didn't catch it my
Speaker 4: first watch, but my second watch, it's like very clear
Speaker 4: what's about to happen.
Speaker 5: And yeah, that's because Tug thinks that Doad is talking
Speaker 5: about him, not Brendan. Yeah, and that yeah, I cause, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's why I'm with you. Matt because I thought that
Speaker 5: he was, uh, what the hell is he doing? I
Speaker 5: didn't get it at first, but now, like once I
Speaker 5: came back and rewatched the film, like, oh, he thinks
Speaker 5: that he's that Dad's about to rat him out because uh, Tug.
Speaker 5: Tug was involved in Emily's death, which was against the
Speaker 5: PINS instructions, and he was He's like, this guy's gonna
Speaker 5: wrap me out and I need he needs to die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Tug's car. I mean I said does earlier,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, this
Speaker 1: thing escalates and then Tug beats him and then shoots
Speaker 1: him in that execution style. Yeah, dude, And this is
Speaker 1: how they achieved that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how they achieved that too. It looks awesome, Like
Speaker 5: you see the blood splatter across the back of the
Speaker 5: U of the tunnel, but you have that smoke that
Speaker 5: billows out in the back of his head and it
Speaker 5: was just like a little air compressor that they used
Speaker 5: to achieve that effect.
Speaker 1: And it just it works because Penn calls Tug out
Speaker 1: there and then he just kind of disappears into the
Speaker 1: tunnel as the police sirens.
Speaker 5: I heard.
Speaker 1: It's it is a cool scene. Yeah, yeah, achieve a
Speaker 1: good bit with the budget. Yeah, we're gonna say, man.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Penn's been talking this whole time about how Tug
Speaker 4: is a loose cannon and it's right here is like
Speaker 4: it finally proves it and like, yeah, Pin, right now
Speaker 4: he's like, oh, I can't do business with this guy anymore.
Speaker 4: He's he's too out out of it.
Speaker 1: This is the boiling over moment. I guess everything's just yeah,
Speaker 1: about to blow.
Speaker 4: But then again we feel a little better too, because
Speaker 4: we thought our main character is about to get about
Speaker 4: to get framed for murder. It takes a left left turn,
Speaker 4: which you know, as the audience, you're like, well, at
Speaker 4: least that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: I have a question, right, do we think Tug was
Speaker 1: sleeping with Emily? Also, yeah, she's sleeping a yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: to get drugs and do whatever.
Speaker 5: Because because the very next scene when when Brendan wikes
Speaker 5: up at Tug's place, Tug is kind of is having
Speaker 5: this conversation with them, thinking that like I think I
Speaker 5: think that was my kid in with Emily. He thought
Speaker 5: it was his kid. So you have yeah, here's the
Speaker 5: question for you guys. So Doe thinks it's his kid,
Speaker 5: and he he obviously wanted to be the father to Friendly's. Well,
Speaker 5: we know that's what I'm saying. So what so Tug,
Speaker 5: Tug and Doe think it's their kid. Does Brendan know
Speaker 5: that it's his?
Speaker 1: No, he does, by the end, I think because of
Speaker 1: what's her name?
Speaker 4: She tells him when she's in her Geisha makeup, and
Speaker 4: he throws and breaks her mirror for telling him. He
Speaker 4: gets very yeah.
Speaker 5: But but but at this moment, he doesn't know that
Speaker 5: it's his kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, not at that moment. It's Tug's family,
Speaker 1: is all. They're all all siblings that are wearing like
Speaker 1: the same outphae. They're all wearing white teeth.
Speaker 5: The Lymps, the olymp Biscuit family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4: Brendan talks, well, we don't know Tug's last name. It
Speaker 4: could be Durst, you don't know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It could be could keep rolling. Let's keep rolling, guys.
Speaker 1: Brendan talks to brain at that point, right, and then
Speaker 1: he goes to see it goes.
Speaker 4: For Kara, Yeah, and this is yeah, lays it all
Speaker 4: out for you and for for him.
Speaker 1: That Emily was sleeping around in the end, we find
Speaker 1: out and.
Speaker 4: She basically amidst the manipulating Emily too, like, uh uh,
Speaker 4: later we learned it's not We learned it's not just her.
Speaker 4: It's her Anne, Lauren or Laura and Brad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but right now we think it's just her mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And she's lucky. Brendan didn't like beat ship. He wanted to.
Speaker 4: He broke the mirror instead. You could tell he was
Speaker 4: very distraught.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then he but then he like rips off
Speaker 5: her kimono and kicks her out naked in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Brandon breaks down about Emily's death to Laura. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a cool moment. I like it. And they
Speaker 1: make love or make out what I'm assuming.
Speaker 5: So okay, So here here's a thing just from having
Speaker 5: the the the Blu Ray that I bought. There are
Speaker 5: a few deleted scenes that Ryan Johnson ended up taking out,
Speaker 5: and the original cut of the film it is very
Speaker 5: explicit that they slept together. But he also but he
Speaker 5: felt that taking a few things out would kind of
Speaker 5: make the film a little bit more ambiguous. And you're
Speaker 5: not really sure, and I think it works here, So
Speaker 5: we're not really sure if it was just them, they
Speaker 5: did end up sleeping together. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but based off based off the original idea, I'm just
Speaker 5: assuming that they slept together. And no, but going back
Speaker 5: to the old in the war films is like you
Speaker 5: have the you have that moment you cut away and
Speaker 5: they and you wake up, you cook back. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: they slept together. I would have, yeah, because when I
Speaker 5: was watching it for the first time, I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: they slept together, just because I know, once I figured
Speaker 5: out what Ryan Johnson was trying to do.
Speaker 1: How you know, because they're smoking cigarettes right exactly, Matt
Speaker 1: hears him in he recognizes a cigarette, but the same
Speaker 1: that was thrown from Tug's car earlier in the field,
Speaker 1: right Parliament.
Speaker 5: Do you think that when he sees that and Tug
Speaker 5: on the right, well, yeah, because he figures that out too.
Speaker 5: But is he starting to think, oh, no, she's involved.
Speaker 1: Probably yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Because I because I think I think he likes I
Speaker 5: think he likes Laura.
Speaker 1: He wants to trust her. Yeah, he wants to trust
Speaker 1: her for sure, because he knows her, you know, and
Speaker 1: she feels like she knows him. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: how she calls him out. You know, he feels seen
Speaker 1: by I think.
Speaker 4: On a second watch, like all her dialogue just feels
Speaker 4: so two faced, Like you hate her so much on
Speaker 4: the second watch because yeah, yeah, because she she is
Speaker 4: just fucking buttering them up in line and you don't
Speaker 4: get it. You're in the first watch, You're falling in
Speaker 4: love with her too. You're like, yes, please take care
Speaker 4: of this guy. He's fucking on his least. He's on
Speaker 4: his last rope, you know. Uh, And then the second
Speaker 4: the second watch, you just hate her so much.
Speaker 5: Now do you think that Laura has Does she actually
Speaker 5: like Brendan in any capacity?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think so, But I think she's also,
Speaker 1: like Matt said, she's a manipulator and that's what she
Speaker 1: does best. So he's a pawn to her. Yeah, likes him.
Speaker 4: I think she's infatuated with him because she controls everyone
Speaker 4: else so easily.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't fall for it.
Speaker 4: He doesn't fall for it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think this goes back to what we've
Speaker 5: been talking about the Maltese Falcon. She's the bridget O'Shaughnessy
Speaker 5: character in that she does love Sam Spade to a
Speaker 5: certain degree, but she's also a manipulator, and Sam doesn't
Speaker 5: fall for the the tactics and he's he's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what, if it's not you, I got I
Speaker 5: hope it's not you. But if it is you, then
Speaker 5: uh you know hey, same as double double. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: wants it to be straight down the line, but its
Speaker 5: just not straight.
Speaker 1: Down the line baby.
Speaker 5: Wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. She's a good fund fatale though. The actress.
Speaker 5: I like her, and she's amazing. She does an amazing job.
Speaker 5: I like what she did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and our end scene will get to it. But
Speaker 1: I do think that that implies that there's something there,
Speaker 1: there's something unsaid or said, but we don't hear it
Speaker 1: right right, We'll get to that. But she is a
Speaker 1: manipulator though, and she's ultimately a very bad person in
Speaker 1: this story. Honestly, she's complacent in a lot of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and in a weird way. Not only is she
Speaker 5: she's she's actually manipulating the she's the real bad boss
Speaker 5: of the of the film because she's manipulating everyone the
Speaker 5: pin tug.
Speaker 1: Cigarette puff, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: And she was the one that's been fucking around with
Speaker 5: the bricks in the end, and really, and she's trying
Speaker 5: to set up this war and to cover her own ass.
Speaker 5: She's going to set up everyone to kill everyone, kill everyone.
Speaker 5: You know, it's but she's not.
Speaker 1: Emily was just damage, right.
Speaker 5: She So she was able to use Emily because she
Speaker 5: had gone to her for help, and so oh she
Speaker 5: wants in, and I can use her as a as
Speaker 5: a pawn to keep my distance yet continue to enact
Speaker 5: my plan.
Speaker 1: And I'm not because that one guy died, so he's in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Laura. Laura was cutting, cutting the bricks and
Speaker 4: take stealing profit and she was she wasn't gonna get
Speaker 4: caught until that guy got put in a coma because
Speaker 4: she cut it two mons. And now now she's all
Speaker 4: this is just her trying to cover her ass's scrambling.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she almost gets away with it too, which is crazy, Like.
Speaker 1: So she's.
Speaker 4: Cut it a little less.
Speaker 1: She got too greedy, she did, which often is what happens.
Speaker 1: That's the case almost all the time with these stories.
Speaker 1: But after that, yeah, there's a meet up right between
Speaker 1: Tug and his guys and the Pin and his men,
Speaker 1: and Tug's in all white and the pens in black.
Speaker 1: You got the white and black almost like a chessboard.
Speaker 5: Maybe yo, I never thought of that, but that is
Speaker 5: exactly what they I'm sure that he was thinking, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: you have the goss and the Dursts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's you got Marilynd Manton and yeah, gots
Speaker 1: and alternatives.
Speaker 4: And Brendan's really breaking his back to get these guys
Speaker 4: not to go to war. Yeah, they're both just their egos.
Speaker 1: Are so big and he doesn't like them either, but he's.
Speaker 4: So he's covering his own ass.
Speaker 5: Here's another question I have. What was Brendan trying to
Speaker 5: keep the piece just for as long as he could
Speaker 5: to figure out what was going on before everyone kills
Speaker 5: everybody kills each other maybe or or was it like
Speaker 5: he was he knew what was gonna happen. After he's
Speaker 5: he started to figure things out, and it's like I'm
Speaker 5: gonna I'm gonna cut the knees out from under.
Speaker 1: Whoever, because he takes advantage of the situation. Maybe when
Speaker 1: he sets up.
Speaker 4: A plan to get them arrested. He puts Emily's Bobby
Speaker 4: in the back of the trunk.
Speaker 5: And the I think the bad brick as well is
Speaker 5: in the trunk to the missing brick is in the trunk.
Speaker 1: And so all the pieces are there.
Speaker 4: His plan because she calls the cops like ten minutes
Speaker 4: before Brain was supposed to call the cops.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and that's when he because he knew the
Speaker 5: timeline that he had set up, and when that got
Speaker 5: fucked up, he knew the brain Brain didn't do it,
Speaker 5: and so it had to be the piece that he
Speaker 5: couldn't figure out, and that was that was Lauren.
Speaker 1: And at this point that they're discussing the last brick
Speaker 1: at this meeting, and it's implied, the tensions arising that
Speaker 1: it's implied the Tug is behind all of it, most
Speaker 1: of it, killing Emily Dode and stealing the brick and
Speaker 1: cutting it, and Penn wants a dougsproved, and Emily stole
Speaker 1: it that night, so Britna is bringing the someone the
Speaker 1: bad brick is coming back.
Speaker 4: Another brick just got stolen and she puts it in
Speaker 4: her locker like a dumbass.
Speaker 1: So Penn wants Tug to He wants him to dose
Speaker 1: himself with the drugs if he's going to prove that
Speaker 1: that that he didn't fuck with the dosage, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: if he's not behind it at all. And then Brendan
Speaker 1: drops the gud and high tails it out of there, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after the shootout happened.
Speaker 4: Mm HMMs to take it, take the drugs to prove
Speaker 4: that they're not cut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a commotion downstairs all of a sudden during.
Speaker 4: That moment upstairs, Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Upstairs, that's right there in the the gun.
Speaker 4: Goes off through the through the ceiling, and I I
Speaker 4: originally I thought, oh, he someone just died, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah. My thing was like, so, why why was there
Speaker 5: that commotion in the hallway already? Is because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she stole the brick and they found out the brick.
Speaker 5: Was gone, and then and so they were blaming the
Speaker 5: the Durst and and that's when all help broke loose
Speaker 5: outside and that's where Tug and the Pin were just
Speaker 5: like they fuck this, and they get into a fight.
Speaker 4: And they immediately start blaming each other like yeah, Pins like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're only bring all your dudes here to steal my ship,
Speaker 4: and and it Pins like, oh, you only want to
Speaker 4: see the frameless and you know, get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Tug pulls his piece, but Brandan grabs it as Tug
Speaker 1: begins to beat Penn to death.
Speaker 4: With him for help, and Brendan just fine and didn't
Speaker 4: help me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of feel bad. I kind of feel
Speaker 5: bad for Pin here a little bit because.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day is a fucking high
Speaker 1: school kid. Well actually, actually no, but yeah, I like
Speaker 1: it because he's you know, he kind of sucks.
Speaker 4: So well, they both like I was kind of hoping
Speaker 4: like and would go off and they would both be well,
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing.
Speaker 5: So Brendan had escaped with the gun, and he keeps
Speaker 5: hearing the cries for help and here's the sirens, and
Speaker 5: he drops the gun and he kicks it back into
Speaker 5: the room, knowing that like they're one is smart, so
Speaker 5: he doesn't have the gun on him. But he's like, well,
Speaker 5: they're gonna take one of them, is gonna take one
Speaker 5: of the other ones out, So they're.
Speaker 1: Never even gonna look for his prints. They're gonna assume
Speaker 1: that gun belongs to whoever's in that room, and that's it.
Speaker 1: If he gets out of it, yep, bingo.
Speaker 4: And then Tug Tug ends up killing Pin and then
Speaker 4: the cops Yeah, killing Tug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he tried to shoot him shoot his way
Speaker 5: out and.
Speaker 1: From the body, you.
Speaker 4: Only got five bullet flip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, five shots or six shots are only.
Speaker 1: Five magnum clean off.
Speaker 4: Magnum.
Speaker 1: But yeah, after that, Brennan he escapes and he meets
Speaker 1: up with Lower one.
Speaker 4: Last time, and she does some really good in the scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she plays this fatale or uh you know this female.
Speaker 5: This final scene is amazing.
Speaker 4: It is her best scene in the movie.
Speaker 5: Oh absolutely. And Brennan has everything figured out at this
Speaker 5: point because she had told him don't go, meaning that
Speaker 5: she had something planned, but she because she had some
Speaker 5: sort of feelings for him, she didn't want to see
Speaker 5: him get hurt in this situation. Obviously, Brennan goes and
Speaker 5: he does what he does, knowing that the timeline got
Speaker 5: fucked up. He's like, well, the only missing piece in
Speaker 5: this in this puzzle is Laura, And he finally puts
Speaker 5: all the puzzle peek in together and now.
Speaker 4: They're back on the football field, which is like, this
Speaker 4: is the spot where all the truth comes out in
Speaker 4: this movie.
Speaker 1: He breaks it down slow for her.
Speaker 5: Well, that seems that, yeah, you're right that this is
Speaker 5: the uh every moment. Yeah, there's a lot of moments
Speaker 5: of truth at the football field. Yeah, you're right, Matt
Speaker 5: and yeah, so they uh, he's like he breaks it
Speaker 5: all down, it's like uh and is telling her like, hey,
Speaker 5: well here, I wasn't there and it's like oh thank god.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's like what and he asked her,
Speaker 5: like what happens? Well, it's so he gets the skinny
Speaker 5: on exactly what happens, and he knows that his name
Speaker 5: is no nowhere near the situation. And that's when he's like, okay,
Speaker 5: good because he had already set up where the vice
Speaker 5: principal character played by Richard Browntree, he gets the tip
Speaker 5: of like the drugs are going to be in this locker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he I think he's really sincere when he's like,
Speaker 4: I hope I'm wrong. I hope the drugs aren't in
Speaker 4: your locker, but we both know that they are. Like yeah,
Speaker 4: like you know, you feel like you feel bad for
Speaker 4: him because he's basically he fell in love his girlfriend,
Speaker 4: his girl died, he's falling in love again, and now
Speaker 4: he's he's about to lose this girl too. Like it's
Speaker 4: been a rough two months.
Speaker 1: You know, that's why he doesn't trust he probably never
Speaker 1: will again.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Plus he's already an outcast for being a snitch too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That's that no one knows that yet, and that's I
Speaker 4: think that's the main reason he's it's not the main
Speaker 4: it's one of the reasons he's turning her in is
Speaker 4: because VP said he needed someone Escapeoat. Yeah, she's all
Speaker 4: he has left and he probably thinks she deserves it too,
Speaker 4: after what she did to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Tug is when Tug even though Tug yes
Speaker 5: is the one responsible for killing Emily, he's not the
Speaker 5: one that put her behind the gun. That's what Laura did.
Speaker 1: And that's what like.
Speaker 5: He's like, you are responsible ultimately, and you're responsible for
Speaker 5: all the deaths that happened that night, and it's only
Speaker 5: just a sheer luck and my my wit that got
Speaker 5: me out of that situation.
Speaker 4: And she does some great acting where you can tell
Speaker 4: she knows, but she doesn't want to face that truth
Speaker 4: and she's really yeah, yeah, he doesn't want to feel
Speaker 4: what she's responsible because.
Speaker 5: You can see, like when he breaks it all down,
Speaker 5: you can just see the fuck on her face.
Speaker 1: And he tells her too, that he left a note
Speaker 1: with Truman of the truth, right, So that's she begs
Speaker 1: him not to do it.
Speaker 4: It's such a great line. She's begging him not to
Speaker 4: go do it. He's like, I already did it. I
Speaker 4: just came from the.
Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 4: You can't talk me out of it, which is you
Speaker 4: know her go Yeah.
Speaker 1: She recalls the baby was three months old, right, making
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was starting the show already. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, now that's a hard blow. I feel like that's
Speaker 1: where he's it's solidifi he call that much.
Speaker 5: But here's another question too. Okay, so we now have
Speaker 5: this final information that she was three months pregnant. Was
Speaker 5: Emily sleeping with tug and Doade because she didn't she
Speaker 5: knew that she was pregnant, but she didn't want it
Speaker 5: to be Brendan's baby. She wanted to be one of
Speaker 5: these other guys.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's that's feasible, but making them think that
Speaker 4: it was their kid, especially if she wants if she
Speaker 4: knows Brennan's bad for her and doesn't want to be
Speaker 4: with him, Uh yeah, like she would kind of have
Speaker 4: to sleep with someone else or he's gonna know it's
Speaker 4: his baby and he's going to be in her life
Speaker 4: for the next you know, two decades.
Speaker 5: That's a good point, Yeah, because it's like, because Emily
Speaker 5: doesn't she. We're always talking about how innocent she is
Speaker 5: in this whole situation, and obviously she was with Brendan,
Speaker 5: who was bad for her. They were bad for each other,
Speaker 5: and she finds out that she's pregnant. It's like, fuck,
Speaker 5: I do not I don't want Brendan in my life.
Speaker 5: So she sleeps with some other people that are maybe
Speaker 5: not good for her either, but maybe better for her
Speaker 5: than Brendan. Doad, clearly, I think would have been maybe
Speaker 5: a better situation because Doad seemed like he really cared
Speaker 5: about Emily and he wanted to be a good father
Speaker 5: to the baby, and he actually thought it was his.
Speaker 5: So I don't know what what would have happened, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I was. I was curious about what Emily's
Speaker 5: thoughts were in this situation. And this goes back to
Speaker 5: my point earlier in our discussion, is that Emily's in
Speaker 5: the film for five minutes, but she has such a
Speaker 5: lasting impact on the whole story. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: really Emily's story. We're just seeing it through like the
Speaker 5: eyes of all these other characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think Laura was gonna tell him, but now
Speaker 4: after he after now that she.
Speaker 1: Was her last move.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well fuck you like that. That's what this is,
Speaker 4: is the last book before she goes to the jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's her last move on the chest board, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, and then uh, what's
Speaker 1: that hold on?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: He that's when she whispers something in his ear right,
Speaker 1: and we never hear I think what it was. She says, mother,
Speaker 1: and then it's just it's like, you think, so, do
Speaker 1: you think he really did say a bad word?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think more than it was and really wasn't okay
Speaker 1: because Brain shows up and he's like they closed the case,
Speaker 1: and Brain asked him, like, what she whisper in your ear?
Speaker 5: And he said yeah, because I don't know if Yeah,
Speaker 5: I caught I watched this with the subtitles on, so
Speaker 5: he kind of catched some of the language that they
Speaker 5: were using in the film with all the kind of.
Speaker 1: To make you think that that's what she says, but
Speaker 1: in the actual story she says something more.
Speaker 5: Hey, that's a good that's a great question. And so
Speaker 5: I don't know if this was something that was released
Speaker 5: with the subtitles or if it was that was something
Speaker 5: that was added, But we don't actually really know what
Speaker 5: was said similar to like there will be blood when
Speaker 5: there's that Daniel day Lewis's Daniel Plainview is whispering to
Speaker 5: Paul Daniel's character, because we never hear that, So I'm
Speaker 5: wondering if it was supposed to be kind of a
Speaker 5: similar situation there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I uh, he tells Brain to go
Speaker 4: home and go to bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she told me a already word and he
Speaker 1: protects her yeah way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so in some weird way, Yeah, in some
Speaker 5: weird way, I think it was kind of a cool
Speaker 5: his way of caring for Laura.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a very the War ending. I like it
Speaker 5: leaves it very open ended. What happens to Brendan, what
Speaker 5: happens to the school, what happens to the whole this whole.
Speaker 4: Thing they showed them. They show the teachers opening the
Speaker 4: locker and finding the brick. So yeah, he's busted. I
Speaker 4: mean like she they don't.
Speaker 1: He gives her a head start in a way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: much like it reminds me of the Batman, you know,
Speaker 1: Catwoman goes her way and right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1: Also a great no war film, absolutely, Yeah, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I like this end a good bit honestly on the
Speaker 1: second try, I think it it makes a film because
Speaker 1: there's moments that way. The film to me is a
Speaker 1: little like in between. And I think the ending, at least,
Speaker 1: say nail Nailing the ending, I think is important, you know,
Speaker 1: in a way tying it all up at least some
Speaker 1: of the loose ends, not all of them, because I
Speaker 1: think the ambiguity of some of it is interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I know Ryan Johnson there, like I said,
Speaker 5: there are several deleted scenes, and he like the cut.
Speaker 5: The original cut of the movie was much longer, and
Speaker 5: he felt that it kind of gave away too much
Speaker 5: or it was too long in places, so he cut
Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff out or even changed certain scenes
Speaker 5: to make it a little bit more ambiguous. And you're like,
Speaker 5: what's going on there? And I think it for the
Speaker 5: most part, I think his edits worked in the film.
Speaker 5: And I said, I like this ending. I think it
Speaker 5: works really well and does paid a huge tribute to
Speaker 5: the old noir films of the past.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess that Bo sums it up so
Speaker 1: for Brick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the film was shot in twenty days. It
Speaker 5: debuted at the Sundance Film Festival on January twenty first
Speaker 5: of two thousand and five, and Johnson worked to keep
Speaker 5: himself in the film in a low profile to lower
Speaker 5: the expectations, which was a gamble that paid off in
Speaker 5: his film winning the Jury Award for originally a Vision
Speaker 5: for a Drama Prize, as well as the film being
Speaker 5: picked up by Focus Features to distribute theatrically. Focus Features
Speaker 5: gave it a limited release, with the film debuting on
Speaker 5: April seventh, two thousand and six, in the United States,
Speaker 5: and despite it only being shown in select theaters, the
Speaker 5: film was a giant financial success, making four million dollars
Speaker 5: off of that four hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget
Speaker 5: we discussed in our pre production. The film has since
Speaker 5: gained cult status and his launched Ryan Johnson into a
Speaker 5: very successful career that he has today. But yeah, why
Speaker 5: do you give us the breakdown our rating system? Heyderberg?
Speaker 5: And why do you give us your final thoughts on Brick?
Speaker 1: All right? You want me to break it down?
Speaker 5: Yeah, break it down, baby, block it down.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spin it for you real quick. Here some pros.
Speaker 1: I really liked the film score, and I like that
Speaker 1: rattle that like played throughout with the acoustic guitar, like
Speaker 1: it just has the thing. Yeah, it's no oorish, it's different,
Speaker 1: and I like the atmosphere too, Like I think for
Speaker 1: the most part they achieve of something really cool. I
Speaker 1: think it's a bitter sweet love tale in a way,
Speaker 1: not your it's not your regular life tale. Like he's
Speaker 1: not a hero in a way he was. You know,
Speaker 1: he may have been in love, but his love was toxic.
Speaker 1: We we see so like he's a very flawed character,
Speaker 1: which is what you normally get with these stories. So
Speaker 1: I think that's fine.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like the experimental nature too, of the story being
Speaker 1: like a mix of high school drama and film noar
Speaker 1: like nothing I'd ever been done like that before as
Speaker 1: far as neo noir films go. I think this was
Speaker 1: an interesting take on it. It's definitely paying homage to
Speaker 1: classic films, and now that I've done this show, I
Speaker 1: can pick up on a lot more of those homages.
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, the case itself is intriguing to me.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a little slow, but it kept me
Speaker 1: engaged for the most part. You know, the the who's
Speaker 1: and the what's and the hows of of of it.
Speaker 3: All, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of moving parts if
Speaker 1: you will, man, you know, uh the dude of butts
Speaker 1: and I'm just kidding, but yeah. The acting is all
Speaker 1: well done too, for the most part, I think, and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the writing as well. It's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: hammed up for sure for effect because of the film's theme.
Speaker 1: But it's well written and it captures the vibe pretty
Speaker 1: well of a near film. It sounds a little silly
Speaker 1: sometimes seeing young high schoolers maybe speak this way, but
Speaker 1: once you like get over that, you know, you're just like, okay.
Speaker 1: Once you like, if you go into it knowing that
Speaker 1: it's a high school no war, you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, I get this. Especially if you have some
Speaker 1: experience with the genre. I think you'll appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: think the acting, as far as like cons go, the
Speaker 1: acting isn't all the best. I'm looking at you, Tug
Speaker 1: like he's pretty bad.
Speaker 5: Uh. You know, Biscuit isn't the best actor in this film.
Speaker 1: No no, but he'll keep rolling, you know, he'll keep wronging.
Speaker 1: It's it's also slow and if tad boring at times.
Speaker 1: If I could see like you know it, you got
Speaker 1: to be into it, you know what I mean, you gotta.
Speaker 1: It doesn't move very fast. It's not an action film,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a mystery, and it takes a little time to get
Speaker 1: into it. And also the dialogue might throw you off,
Speaker 1: So for some it might be a tough watch first time.
Speaker 1: I still recommend getting through it and if you can
Speaker 1: watch it a second time, because then you pick up more.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's also a little long. The plot
Speaker 1: moves well enough, but it feels a little thin sometimes
Speaker 1: once in a while, but it, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: pretty intriguing still, you know, it's it's an ror film
Speaker 1: in high school. When you get over it, it's like
Speaker 1: basically that's you know, at its core, and it ultimately
Speaker 1: feels it feels very original. But also I don't know,
Speaker 1: it lacks a little punch in the execution just a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 5: For me like it.
Speaker 1: I admire it, but I can see it's the indie
Speaker 1: side of it too. It's a little scrappy and sometimes
Speaker 1: that hurts it a little bit. But I really do
Speaker 1: like the premise and the execution for the most part.
Speaker 1: Is really solid. There's some good actors in this young
Speaker 1: actors that have gone on further now to really have
Speaker 1: great careers. And Johnson, like you said himself, has also
Speaker 1: done some good movies and some really really bad ones.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you.
Speaker 5: Shit, I oh, I was gonna measure that too. Yeah
Speaker 5: that movie sucks, Yeah it sucks.
Speaker 1: But with that said, I'm giving Brick from two thousand
Speaker 1: and five our rating system. I didn't go over the
Speaker 1: rating system, but I'm gonna I'll give it to you
Speaker 1: right now. I'll spin a fear real fast rating scale
Speaker 1: goes from the top to the bottom, instant classic being
Speaker 1: the best you can get, buy it, rent it in
Speaker 1: the middle, watch the trailer, and then never ever watch
Speaker 1: this shit. And so, like I said, for all those reasons,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Brick from two thousand and five, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give it a watch the trailer, slash rent it,
Speaker 1: and then I think if you do that, you might
Speaker 1: enjoy it more and it could go up further in
Speaker 1: our scale for you as well as me on another watch.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for right now, I think that's where I sit.
Speaker 1: Watch the trailer, slash rent it.
Speaker 5: Robert Well, Well, I have a quick question for you
Speaker 5: before I get thoughts. Did this film go up or
Speaker 5: down since you first watched it, like back back in
Speaker 5: the day, because you're introducing this film to us, did
Speaker 5: it go up or down for you?
Speaker 1: The the appeal of the premise and the originality of
Speaker 1: it is right where I always thought it would be.
Speaker 1: It's it's still interesting to me. But now that we've
Speaker 1: discussed it and I have to rate it a little bit,
Speaker 1: it's come down a little bit. As far as entertainment,
Speaker 1: I still think it's all. I just think I think
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, check it off the list if you
Speaker 1: like no or films, because this is a different look
Speaker 1: at it, you know, that kind of genre, and I
Speaker 1: think that's interesting as I think that holds it further
Speaker 1: for me. If not, I might forget about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I was just curious. It's a mood.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I always it's the kind of
Speaker 1: mood I want to be in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you came in much lower than I expected. I'll
Speaker 5: just say that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, just because my pick doesn't mean it's like
Speaker 1: an all instant.
Speaker 5: It's no pool, you know, you know, I mean, no
Speaker 5: film other than Costa Blanca really.
Speaker 1: Is the Godfather and Casa Blanca and Florida legend, yeah exactly. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I mean. Like, there's
Speaker 1: definitely some things that stick in my crawl a little
Speaker 1: bit with this movie, and it's not but there's also
Speaker 1: things that I do enjoy. And I think if you
Speaker 1: could throw another coat of paint on this thing, I
Speaker 1: think it would really shine, Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's got bones, it's so yeah for that, It's
Speaker 1: not a throwaway just for me. I think it might
Speaker 1: not be for everybody. So I think maybe a watch
Speaker 1: or trailer or renting or just a solid rent, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, my final thoughts on the film. I
Speaker 5: love this film. I think it's I think this is
Speaker 5: really awesome movie. And like we just mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 5: but I hate The Last Jedi. But I actually I
Speaker 5: think that's Ryan Johnson's worst film. But I like him
Speaker 5: as a director and when he's when he's creating his
Speaker 5: own projects, and and Brick is definitely the definition of
Speaker 5: an origin work. I think he does a great job.
Speaker 5: And he took a genre noir that has been played
Speaker 5: with in many different ways and he's still he did
Speaker 5: something unique with it, and I think that needs to
Speaker 5: be celebrated, obviously knowing that he's a dash old Hammet fan.
Speaker 5: Like I said, we talked about it all throughout our
Speaker 5: discussion that Maltese Falcon kept coming to my mind watching
Speaker 5: this movie, and I feel like this is kind of
Speaker 5: an interesting take on the Maltese Falcon story a little bit.
Speaker 5: I think it's a miracle we get such a good
Speaker 5: film on the budget Johnson had and the obstacles that
Speaker 5: he was that he had to face, and with you know,
Speaker 5: this being his first film, but that goes to show
Speaker 5: the vision and passion of a director similar till we
Speaker 5: discussed last week in our dual episode. You know, these
Speaker 5: passions fuel our directors, and if you really care about
Speaker 5: making something work, you can overcome these impossible odds. And
Speaker 5: Brick is another example of that. The soundtrack that's crafted
Speaker 5: well by his cousin Nathan Johnson. I think it's great.
Speaker 5: It fits into our aesthetic and it's something unique as well.
Speaker 5: It's taking something a little bit of the old and
Speaker 5: putting something new into it. And we talked about that
Speaker 5: on several times, Like, Man, this soundtrack kicks ass the
Speaker 5: I guess if you had a ding on the film.
Speaker 5: For me, uh, it was kind of having if you're not,
Speaker 5: if you're new to the film, you've never watched it,
Speaker 5: and you it's like, wait, what the hell are these
Speaker 5: high school kids talking about? You're thinking of, like, are
Speaker 5: we having this real story of like this mystery that
Speaker 5: happens in high school. No, it's that's not the point
Speaker 5: of the movie. It's more of it just happens to
Speaker 5: take place in high school. But this is a movie.
Speaker 5: It's not a real situation. It's just it's kind of
Speaker 5: utilizing high school in this genre, and that if you're
Speaker 5: not familiar with the story, that can make you feel
Speaker 5: a little weird, as it did to me the first
Speaker 5: time I watched it. But once you understand what Ryan
Speaker 5: Johnson's going for, I think it's really cool. And the
Speaker 5: language I think kicks ass. The dialogue kicks ass. And
Speaker 5: I also think, like I think all the actors did really,
Speaker 5: really well. Joseph Gordon Levitt was really the glue that
Speaker 5: held everything together because we talked about if he didn't work,
Speaker 5: the story doesn't work, because he is one, he's a
Speaker 5: phenomenal actor and he did a lot of work to
Speaker 5: make and did his homework to make this film work.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I like similar to Malty's Falcon when we
Speaker 5: talked when we were giving our final thoughts on that
Speaker 5: that's a film that, over the many watches, it's a
Speaker 5: film that I like more and more and more. And
Speaker 5: Brick for me is the same. And I actually, because
Speaker 5: I've watched it several times this week, I gotta give
Speaker 5: I gotta get break a by it. I think it's
Speaker 5: I think this movie is awesome. It's it takes a
Speaker 5: genre that I love and it kind of flipped it
Speaker 5: on its head and did something really cool with it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm going to give it a buy it.
Speaker 5: Mister Matt, how are you feeling about the film?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm about to reiterate a lot of what you
Speaker 4: both said.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I'm not very familiar with noir films like like you
Speaker 4: two are, but this really like when I think of
Speaker 4: noir films, now, I'm gonna think of the dialogue in
Speaker 4: this movie.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think that the writing in this movie is superb Uh.
Speaker 4: The watching it with the subtitles on and just watching
Speaker 4: the way they use language to describe things. It's very
Speaker 4: poetic and uh, I Yeah, it's it's it's in times.
Speaker 4: At times it's it's beautiful. Like just the way they
Speaker 4: spin a phrase, you know it get it got me
Speaker 4: excited about things that are mundane. So yeah, the writing
Speaker 4: is amazing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: There's also like a real heavy mood here, Like it's like, uh,
Speaker 4: the the mood of the whole cast and of the
Speaker 4: school and it's like it's heavy and tired and dim
Speaker 4: and uh and like you carry that around with you
Speaker 4: even after the movie turns off. Uh, it really sinks
Speaker 4: you into that world. I think this is a really
Speaker 4: good Who Done It? It's like it's a fun puzzle
Speaker 4: to solve. It's not it's not so difficult that you
Speaker 4: can't figure it out. It's just hard enough that you
Speaker 4: feel satisfied when you when you finally put all the
Speaker 4: pieces together. And I imagine that has to be hard
Speaker 4: to do. I've never had to write a Who Done It? Movie,
Speaker 4: but I've seen some bad ones, and this is not hell. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this this done a really good job. At the end,
Speaker 4: at the end, when you find out that it was Laura,
Speaker 4: not only does it all make sense, but you you
Speaker 4: feel clever because you understand everything that just happened, and uh,
Speaker 4: that's you know, that's that's the movie's job. And it
Speaker 4: did it. It did it quite well. Uh what you
Speaker 4: said about Joseph Gordon Levitt's acting, he holds this movie up.
Speaker 4: Without him, this movie does not work. Uh, especially now
Speaker 4: that you've seen where he where he has ended up
Speaker 4: as an actor. I think they did.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: They got really lucky getting him young and while he
Speaker 4: was young and hungry.
Speaker 5: Just before he took off as a real star.
Speaker 4: And this might be I mean, like I couldn't imagine
Speaker 4: being a director back in six and watching this movie
Speaker 4: and thinking he can't do whatever I need him to
Speaker 4: do because he obviously some cons. I wish we would
Speaker 4: have eased them to the setting more. It's very surreal,
Speaker 4: and my first watch I was I felt lost. Uh yep,
Speaker 4: Like so I compared it to the ninety six Romeo
Speaker 4: and Juliet that they did a real good job with that,
Speaker 4: where they didn't. It didn't hit you like a fucking
Speaker 4: brick to the face when the movie started, and this
Speaker 4: one kind of did. So maybe there's a way to
Speaker 4: eat I mean, I don't know what it would be,
Speaker 4: but maybe there's a way to ease that beginning and
Speaker 4: make it more comfortable for us coming in this movie
Speaker 4: is a I would have liked more Emily and Lord Time.
Speaker 4: I think both those characters could have used some more spotlight.
Speaker 4: I get why they're not in there because it helps
Speaker 4: with the mystery of it all, but you know, I
Speaker 4: would have liked to have seen them actors and them
Speaker 4: characters both be showcased a little more and give us
Speaker 4: a little more understanding. Tug's acting, Oh my god, it's
Speaker 4: so weak. And for y'all that didn't know the childhood
Speaker 4: classic Josh and Sam. The actor who played Tug played Sam.
Speaker 4: So he is he's a child Yeah, he's a child
Speaker 4: actor aging into adult rose and he's he obviously struggled
Speaker 4: in this movie. I haven't seen him anything else. Maybe
Speaker 4: he got a little better down the road. I feel
Speaker 4: bad talking bad about the actor, but the director or
Speaker 4: someone should have took him to the side and helped
Speaker 4: coach him a little better. As my final review, I'm
Speaker 4: right there with you, Rob, I'm a buy it. And
Speaker 4: this is weird because when I first watched.
Speaker 5: This movie, I was not a byot, But now no,
Speaker 5: I wasn't either.
Speaker 4: I this movie has sitting in my head. And the
Speaker 4: more I think about it, the more I like it,
Speaker 4: and the more I'm likely to uh recommend it to people. Now,
Speaker 4: I mean like this movie. Also, this movie is not
Speaker 4: for everybody. It's a buy it for me. But you know, like, uh,
Speaker 4: I don't I know there's people out there that would
Speaker 4: immediately turn this movie off. Uh, so you know there
Speaker 4: is a caveat there that this isn't for everybody, but
Speaker 4: it is for me, and I wouldn't mind. I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a high rewatchability to this film too,
Speaker 5: because I think it requires multiple watches because once you
Speaker 5: put that puzzle together, now you start to see all
Speaker 5: the details that maybe you missed and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: now I see how this this part connects to this part,
Speaker 5: and it makes a lot, makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it's a buy it for me.
Speaker 1: Nice. So both of you actually like it more a
Speaker 1: little bit more than I do, which is surprising.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is amat Yeah, yeah, this is
Speaker 5: this is awesome. I really like it a lot.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I'm happy here. Like it's not a competition,
Speaker 1: so it's not like no.
Speaker 5: No, Well and this kind of shows because what Ryan
Speaker 5: Johnson is doing now with the Knives Out films. I
Speaker 5: mean this is this is kind of a a precursor
Speaker 5: to he likes these little detective genres, these uh noir
Speaker 5: mystery thrillers, which is yeah.
Speaker 1: I think because I got the Christy homage, you know series,
Speaker 1: and this was yeah, you know it's they have similar
Speaker 1: things as well with the detective.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that's why I like him sticking in that
Speaker 5: because clearly he loves it, and he does such a
Speaker 5: good job in the in in doing these films, and
Speaker 5: I want him to do as many as he can
Speaker 5: because they're great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Even Looper had a little elements of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely had Joseph Gordon Levitt, who obviously he liked
Speaker 5: working with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we'll come horrendous fake nose on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I pulled pretty well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought he did too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's gonna be tough anyway. But yeah, So
Speaker 1: that was Brick and our review on it. Next week.
Speaker 1: It's your pick, right, Matt, Yeah, what do you have
Speaker 1: in store? What's swinging Conan?
Speaker 4: The Barbarian fantasy movies? The I would say the Sword
Speaker 4: and Sandals movie or Sword and Sorcery movie. Everything else
Speaker 4: is compared to this, and I'm so glad we get
Speaker 4: to watch it together.
Speaker 5: I'm very excited to watch this for the very first time.
Speaker 5: This is very exciting for me, so thank you for
Speaker 5: introducing it. I can't wait to watch it.
Speaker 1: Nice me too. It's been a while. It's been a while,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we have. We have other projects as well
Speaker 1: other than cinnamego's that we do. I have a Cut
Speaker 1: Above Horror Review. It's a horror movie review show much
Speaker 1: like this with John Jacquelin and myself rate and review
Speaker 1: horror movies each week. It's a fun time. You should
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Speaker 1: about you? Where can Avice finished find you?
Speaker 4: I have an old podcast called Swords and Stereo. Our
Speaker 4: backlog is still up. We talk about historical fencing and
Speaker 4: then I run a historical fencing group here in Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 4: It's called Bull City Longsword and we trained for manuals
Speaker 4: from the sixteenth and seventeenth century. We do long sword rape, beer,
Speaker 4: and Sword and Butler. If if you're in North Florida,
Speaker 4: you should swing by and you know, swing swords with us. Nice,
Speaker 4: what about you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on YouTube, me and my
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