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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the one hundred and fifty seventh episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So Suspiciously Paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Knight, host of the show That

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<v Speaker 1>with Me as always.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Oscar, spector Esquire.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer extraordinaire and podcast co host Oscar. How the hell

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<v Speaker 1>have you been, man, it's been a while since we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten together.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been hellish.

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<v Speaker 1>HELLI I could relate me too. Yeah, everything is hellish.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just because it's the time of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. It is the time it is. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's my favorite time of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>It is for me as well, obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean show we season, yes, and not just because

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, but also because I love that. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't love it, I wouldn't be doing the show, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah exactly. But for me, you know, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I love the spooky stuff. I love Halloween, I love

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<v Speaker 1>the changing the season, love decorating the house, love spooky shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I also fucking love Christmas. Man, Like I'm a.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, you're a big Christmas guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas time, man, No, you never you never have been.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird the way I'm sitting today with my mic

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<v Speaker 1>We had to rearrange things, so I'm trying not to

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<v Speaker 1>look away from my Micah, but I'm also trying to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain not contact with you. And this feels really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very unnatural.

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<v Speaker 2>You sacrifice a lot for our fans.

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<v Speaker 3>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>You see a goddamn creak in my neck for you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>right right right, So here we are October, happy early

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween listeners. What's been new with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Did we have a pre thing on this? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember what we talked about as far as what we

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<v Speaker 2>had for this opening, so I know what I have

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<v Speaker 2>for the opening, okay, because I'm like, did I have one?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't think I have one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember you saying you had something for the opening.

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<v Speaker 1>You usually pulled something out of your hat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm usually good at that. But since we preapproved something

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<v Speaker 2>or pre not preapproved, but we talked about it in advance,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I had to think of one. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of one, and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>was I supposed to think of something? Because my life

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<v Speaker 2>is shit, it's nothing. I had nothing going on, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>going on, jay, nothing of value of substance of a

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<v Speaker 2>vapor of substance.

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<v Speaker 1>No vapes, no vapors, no vapors. Well, I mean I have.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were talking off the mics that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>about two months since we got together. We had some

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<v Speaker 1>stuff pre recorded, right right, So I think I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this, or I could just mention that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a wonderful cruise vacation in late July going

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<v Speaker 1>into August. Took my family on an eight day cruse.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to Dominican Republic, who went to San Juan,

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. We went to Saint Thomas and Saint Martine

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<v Speaker 1>and it was gorgeous, great time with the family. We're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much gone all of July on a long month trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. So that was that was that long?

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<v Speaker 1>That was great. Yeah, we're gone pretty much all of July,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was fantastic. I can't wait to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do it again. We're big cruisers in this family.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we got the kids into it. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of any any bruise, any bruising from all that

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<v Speaker 1>cruiser cruising for a b This is fucking nineteen eighty seven, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's your era. Wow, Wow, drinking a little bit, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, speaking of the Dominican Republic. I picked up

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<v Speaker 1>this bottle we're drinking right now. It's Tessoo, and I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that means treasure. Testro it means treasure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a whiskey single mall whiskey from Punta Kana, from

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<v Speaker 1>the mindic In Republic and.

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<v Speaker 2>Where all the great dictatorships are from. Are they No,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm paying glib terrible there or it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it? It is very depressed economically, but good, good,

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<v Speaker 1>good you go to the beaches though you would never know,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, good, the whiskey is very good. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was soaked and or aged in rum casks. So

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, did I say that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Ye?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's better?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah. I don't know if you ever find yourself

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<v Speaker 1>in the Dominican Republic, your dr.

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<v Speaker 2>If you wake up one day, you're like, where the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck am I? And like you're in a dr bitch?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, can I get some of this whiskey?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Thought so?

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<v Speaker 2>And then call nine one one or whatever for one

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<v Speaker 2>one whatever they have there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if they have anything there.

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<v Speaker 2>They may not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just go out the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>street and you yell.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of it's very impoverished.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't ye help yelp with fire.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. That's good because someone's out there yelling.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a fuck you yell fire. I'm like, shit,

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<v Speaker 1>is that my shit on fire? So I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>out and look. Yes, uh so, yeah, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>that beautiful cruise. Now you know, of course, get back

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<v Speaker 1>to reality. Sucks. Job still sucks. So whether than that,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's healthy, everyone's happy, everyone's doing good. Excited for for October,

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<v Speaker 1>Excited for Halloween season, Excited for this episode. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>two parter. Oh coming at you famous two the famous

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<v Speaker 1>two parts. Yes, yes, yeah, I'm so. We're releasing this

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<v Speaker 1>first episode now early October. We'll just say yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the second will be on November first, All Souls Day,

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<v Speaker 1>so something to look forward to. There. Did you think

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<v Speaker 1>of anything else yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, isn't that All Saints Day?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see. I think it's used interchangeably.

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<v Speaker 2>I I never heard all souls Yeah, my first time

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<v Speaker 2>hearing he's my first time saying attention to that, because

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<v Speaker 2>I never I don't remember ever hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>That should we edit this out?

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<v Speaker 2>Not sure? No, I wouldn't even get in there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a homelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>Sake by Catholic ass should know this. I believe I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was interchangeable, all souls in all saints. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's November first.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thought of like an Irish thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, Catholic thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm sure I thought that was the combination.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know why I thought that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, But it's okay because we're drinking whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also a heathen, so I don't care if

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<v Speaker 2>I get accuracies and religious stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it how you identify as a heathen?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Really no? Oh I have heathen friends. That's why I'm asking.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is technically a heathen?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dude, I'm not getting into this. Oh why not,

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<v Speaker 1>Minister sal Sal Surverio. He's been on the episode a

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<v Speaker 1>few a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean I remember. I remember how we looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm not even I'm not gonna do it

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not gonna butcher it and get a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people pistol off at me. Why look up heathenism.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see your pay Yeah, got it. Okay, See,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of like just like uh no, in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense like like a criminal, like a sinner, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a sinner. He even, I got you not

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<v Speaker 2>like not a technical book accurate? Correct. He then understood,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't know what it still means. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>a little gist by your reaction, but I don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>meant that. I meant like in a sense like oh,

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<v Speaker 2>an atheist or agnostic, not a real person to the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, Okay, big difference, big difference. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to get into and and uh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>disrespect their religion for me not knowing enough about it

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>He then, at the very least probably works multiple ways.

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<v Speaker 2>He then doesn't just mean whatever you're afraid of disrespecting

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<v Speaker 2>as your friend to your friend, but it also could

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<v Speaker 2>mean something else. It's like, you know, other words I

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<v Speaker 2>can't think of right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, I understand now how you were using

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<v Speaker 1>the word because I felt you meant as a hen

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that system of beliefs, right, He even believes, Okay, got.

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<v Speaker 2>It, it's got to be that it means something a

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<v Speaker 2>little more like hard than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got all heavy with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, No, it's just this is a great that on point.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I thought that point. Yes, So yeah, then if

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<v Speaker 1>if we got nothing else, I say.

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<v Speaker 2>We every won't go watch the Substance in theaters.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that Substance movie. Oh that's what Demi Moore?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Margaret Crawley.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that is.

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<v Speaker 2>If you see her face, you'd be like, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're ah, gotcha, she's getting big now though you said

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty hardcore, pretty hardcore, pretty great. Body horror

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<v Speaker 2>really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I like body horror movies. I do. Yeah, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And Demi Moore coming back, coming back strong, apparently strong,

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<v Speaker 1>good for her man, good for her well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, before we get into us, check out the

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<v Speaker 1>website Chicago Ghost podcast dot com, leave us a message

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<v Speaker 1>at eight seven two five two nine zero seven six seven.

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<v Speaker 1>That's eight seven two five two nine zero seven sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh, I guess that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, let's stick, let's think about let's take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Listeners were back. So this is really strange. We're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here down in my basement. The way we're configured or

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<v Speaker 1>set up. I am facing the direction in which I

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<v Speaker 1>could see my staircase coming down into the basement down here,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're kind of sitting turned where you could see

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<v Speaker 1>that staircase sort of peripherally. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I kind of move around, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of I can't be still, I swiveled a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm stilling to ride. I can see it in

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<v Speaker 2>my periphery, but no, not directly.

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<v Speaker 1>Not directly right right, So we went to break We're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just relaxing, having a few SIPs of whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, talking, and all of a sudden I stopped, looked,

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<v Speaker 1>and I swore there was someone standing at the base

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<v Speaker 1>of my basement stairs. I thought it was my son, Nico,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been in bed for almost two hours now. But

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<v Speaker 1>no one's home, you know, he could maybe get up

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<v Speaker 1>and run around.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a little rescali.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I shouldn't say no one's home, no one's upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>so he could jump out, run around, kind of do

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<v Speaker 1>his thing. But no, no, it wasn't him. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when I said that, you said, Okay, I'm not crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that strong that you had to enough to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, what was I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>That was that was pretty strange. And of course I

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing, but even the lessons working their feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you'd hear the feet upstairs exactly on the mics.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, that was that was strange. It was gray.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more gray color. Yeah, so I don't I

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, considering tonight's topic, that's kind of freaking me out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Good I definitely. You've also had other weird stuff happened here, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of weird stuff happens here.

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<v Speaker 2>So go back. We've done it on the show too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's happened about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, I think it's happened on the show. It's

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<v Speaker 1>happened on the show. We were we were recording an

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<v Speaker 1>from New Orleans the light thing? And we had to

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<v Speaker 1>like got freaked out. Remember the security system was going.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that now that dude.

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<v Speaker 1>It's out there. Listeners. I don't remember what number it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but go back and listen the whole thing. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>not episode x Y z Zach and Addy. Listen. It says,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this episode whatever, go back. It was fucking

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<v Speaker 1>freaky ship.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's continuing. I guess. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When people ask me like, oh, you guys have I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like no, I never think of any like oh yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I never think of these stories. I was then that

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<v Speaker 2>you were involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>I uh well, so yeah, so that happened, like, we

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<v Speaker 1>got to jump back on the mics, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this. So anyway, the lights are turned down

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<v Speaker 1>low mm hm, the ceremonial candles lit, and the drinks

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<v Speaker 1>are flowing. Let's hopefully get through this episode well, Oscer.

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<v Speaker 1>The days are shorter, the nights are longer and cooler,

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<v Speaker 1>the leaves are falling, and the air is filled with

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<v Speaker 1>the smells of the changing season, almost a cinnamoni crispness

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<v Speaker 1>at least here in the Midwest anyway, and most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Halloween season, and for the Halloween season, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a really spooky topic for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is going to be a two part episode covering

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<v Speaker 1>the fascinating ancient right of exorcism. Now tonight. In part one,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll cover the history of the right of exorcism as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the different types of exorcisms. We'll also cover

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<v Speaker 1>the real accepted signs of bonafide demonic possession as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the different stages of demonic possession. And we'll have

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<v Speaker 1>some other little tidbits and cool stories in there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But overall, these topics, those topics right there gave me

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of material for a full episode. Which is why

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<v Speaker 1>in the next episode, Exorcisms Part two, we'll focus on

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<v Speaker 1>actual cases of possession cases that were so extreme they

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<v Speaker 1>had to be escalated beyond a dioceses local exorcist and

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<v Speaker 1>instead be brought all the way up to the Pope himself. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these types of cases are incredibly rare, but they do exist.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we're going to focus on in part two. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So exorcisms, I think a great topic for

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<v Speaker 1>the Halloween season.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been going to talk about extra crisp exorcists.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how hard I was practicing the cinnamoni crispness? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it, though I didn't get it one take, Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>I really was. I was so ready to pounce on you.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one of you and laugh at you, and you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Got right through. It's the Dominican whiskey man must be. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we get any further, I want to be clear.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode and the next, we're focusing on Christianity

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<v Speaker 1>slash Catholicism and exorcism. Believe it or not, the Vatican

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<v Speaker 1>requires that each diocese across the world have a specially

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<v Speaker 1>trained priest at the ready to diagnose demonic possession and

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<v Speaker 1>perform exorcisms. And for you lay people out there, the

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<v Speaker 1>diocese is a geographical area that is under the care

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<v Speaker 1>of a bishop, and the diocese contains a number of parishes,

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<v Speaker 1>each of which is overseen by a priest, and those

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<v Speaker 2>Right, kind of like a county and as a co area.

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<v Speaker 2>You think of the different subsets of how states work

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So the Vatican demands that

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<v Speaker 1>each diocese have a priest trained as an exorcist and

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<v Speaker 1>be ready to battle it out with the demonic whenever

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<v Speaker 1>the need arises. That's how seriously Catholics take this stuff now.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though the practice of exercising demons is not exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>to Catholicism, as all major religions and cultures have their

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<v Speaker 1>own methods and beliefs about casting out demons, in the

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<v Speaker 1>Western imagination, exorcism is almost always associated with Catholicism, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part we have Hollywood to think for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Movies like The Right, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, The

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<v Speaker 1>Exorcism of Ronald Doe, The Conjuring, and of course my favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>William Friedkin's nineteen seventy three masterpiece The Exorcist, among many

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<v Speaker 1>other exorcist based films. These have all shaped the way

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<v Speaker 1>we viewed the top of it of exorcism and the

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<v Speaker 1>belief that the practice exorcism is purely a Catholic thing

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<v Speaker 1>when it isn't, and actually it is the movie The

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<v Speaker 1>Exorcist that's pretty much the source or the channel of

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<v Speaker 1>much of our culture's awareness of and ideas about possession

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<v Speaker 1>and exorcism. Those images that come to mind when the

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<v Speaker 1>topic of exorcism is brought up vile, violent, blasphemous demons,

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<v Speaker 1>spinning heads, superhuman strength, supernatural powers, projectile vomit, an old

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<v Speaker 1>priest and a young priest, all from The Exorcist right now. Ironically, though,

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<v Speaker 1>when The Exorcist came out back in nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>as horrifying and scandalous as it was, it did help

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<v Speaker 1>to win converts for the Catholic faith. People were so

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic churches around the country began receiving waves of inquiries

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<v Speaker 1>from people who believed that they or their friends or

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately saw an uptick in church attendance and converts to

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<v Speaker 1>the Catholic faith after The Exorcist was released.

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<v Speaker 2>Right this, You know, this also connects to our previous episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about the Miami School and how that was

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<v Speaker 2>a fever, pitch nightmare fuel from movies like the artistays

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<v Speaker 2>a few years before it kind of fueling that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of behavior as a as a theory anyway, and how

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<v Speaker 2>that probably helped, you know, no people in that.

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<v Speaker 1>School fuel that whatever happened in that school, absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, the belief that evil spirits can possess

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<v Speaker 1>man and thus the need for exorcisms isn't exclusive to Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, these beliefs predate Catholicism by thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Scholars agree that Christianity and Catholicism is about two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years old, but it's not the oldest monotheistic religion, or

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<v Speaker 1>of religion that worships only one God. It's not the oldest.

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<v Speaker 1>The oldest known monotheistic religion, Zoastrianism, believed in demons and

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<v Speaker 1>exorcism over three thousand years ago. Ancient Mesopotamians also held

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<v Speaker 1>these beliefs. As did the ancient Hindus. And here we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking as far back as five thousand plus years b C.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, this stuff is deep rooted, its universal, and

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<v Speaker 1>its ancient. Since we're sticking with the Catholic Christian theme

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<v Speaker 1>for these episodes, we should probably start by diving into

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, because it's within the Bible, in both the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Testament and the New that we find numerous references

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<v Speaker 1>to exorcisms and to Jesus Christ being the first exorcist.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, in Matthew chapter eight, verses twenty eight to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four, Jesus famously drives the legion to demons out

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<v Speaker 1>of two men and into a herd of pigs, and

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<v Speaker 1>then those pigs run themselves off of a cliff in

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<v Speaker 1>chapter eleven, verse fourteen, Jesus cats out a mute demon

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<v Speaker 1>from a man, and when the man is free from

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<v Speaker 1>the demon, he begins to speak and praise Jesus. There's

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<v Speaker 1>Mark chapter sixteen, verse nine, which talks about Jesus casting

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<v Speaker 1>out seven demons from Mary Magdalen, presumably one demon for

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<v Speaker 1>each of the seven deadly sins. That's pride, lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath,

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<v Speaker 1>and envy. It's very important to remember that it's the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic belief that Jesus was the first exorcist, and is

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<v Speaker 1>through Jesus that the Catholic Church the institution, received the

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<v Speaker 1>power and office to exercise demons. And this is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>why an exorcism can't be performed without the church's blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about this more a little later, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's that old horror wor trope right where a priest

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<v Speaker 1>has to beg and fight with the Church to grant

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<v Speaker 1>him the permission to perform an exorcism. Yes, otherwise that

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<v Speaker 1>priest just says fuck it and he goes rogue. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there are trope, This is real. Trope is a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>To be truly effective, an exorcist must have the full permission, power,

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<v Speaker 1>and authority of the Church, and thus Jesus Christ behind

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<v Speaker 1>him when he's casting out demons. And it's crucial to

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<v Speaker 1>note that it's not the priest himself casting out demons.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the priest doesn't wield his own power or authority

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<v Speaker 1>over demons. No, it's actually Jesus and the Church working

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<v Speaker 1>through the priest that's casting out these unclean spirits, not

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<v Speaker 1>the priest himself. Incredibly important to understand and remember as

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<v Speaker 1>we go through this. Okay, So Jesus gave the church

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<v Speaker 1>the power in office to rid people demons. But where

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<v Speaker 1>did the actual ceremony come from, the words prayers and

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<v Speaker 1>rules a priest must follow during an exorcism. The actual

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<v Speaker 1>exorcism ceremony itself, along with the ritual prayers and rules,

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<v Speaker 1>are spelled out in something called the Right of Exorcism,

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<v Speaker 1>which was first published in sixteen fourteen by Paul Fifth

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<v Speaker 1>as a part or a section of a larger publication

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<v Speaker 1>called the Roman Ritual. Now, just to complicate things a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>there are two Roman rituals. One Roman Ritual is called

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say is that you'll be right.

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<v Speaker 1>The ordinary form of the Roman Ritual is what most

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<v Speaker 1>Vatican Council or Vatican two, which ran from nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two to nineteen sixty five, and the Extraordinary form was

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<v Speaker 1>from fifteen forty five. To fifteen sixty three three all

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<v Speaker 1>both versions of the Roman Ritual layout rules, or more

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<v Speaker 1>like praying for the sick, praying for the dying and

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<v Speaker 1>the dead, or for administering the holy sacraments baptism, confirmation, communion, reconciliation, marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>anointing of the sick, and the holy orders. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the holy sacraments. Stuff like that, incredibly important stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Also included in the Roman Ritual are the rules, the steps,

425
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<v Speaker 1>and the prayers for performing an exorcism, collectively called the

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<v Speaker 1>Right of Exorcism.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Right of Exorcism remained unchanged for three hundred and

429
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<v Speaker 1>eighty five years from when it was first published in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen fourteen, all the way up to January nineteen ninety nine,

431
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<v Speaker 1>when the Catholic Church updated the Right of Exorcism. Now,

432
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<v Speaker 1>the prayers being recited during an exorcism didn't change in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine. What changed, or more like what was added,

434
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<v Speaker 1>were things that make the ritual fit in a more

435
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<v Speaker 1>modern world. For example, added was the rule that an

436
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<v Speaker 1>exorcist must work with doctors and psychologists to rule out

437
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<v Speaker 1>sickness and mental illness when when evaluating the need for exorcism,

438
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<v Speaker 1>or more specifically, exorcists must consult experts in medical and

439
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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric science who have a sense of spiritual reality. Doctors

440
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<v Speaker 1>and psychiatrists who have a sense of spiritual reality. So

441
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<v Speaker 1>here the update isn't talking about a Freudian psychologist or

442
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<v Speaker 1>a straight by the book medical doctor. It's asking for

443
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<v Speaker 1>doctors and psychologists that also have spiritual leanings, which I

444
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<v Speaker 1>find very interesting. Also added to the Right of Exorcism

445
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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety nine is the rule that an exorcism

446
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<v Speaker 1>should not be made into a media event nor should

447
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<v Speaker 1>it be publicized. Probably not a big concern in the

448
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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundreds, right, but modern times a big concern, and

449
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<v Speaker 1>for good reason, believe.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It or not.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Back in April nineteen ninety one, so eight years before

452
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<v Speaker 1>the Right of Exorcism was updated, the ABC television show

453
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Remember twenty twenty? Yep, I used to love

454
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty as a kid.

455
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I think I probably a weird kid.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so twenty twenty. Back in nineteen ninety one.

457
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<v Speaker 1>In April nineteen ninety one, aired an Honest to God

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<v Speaker 1>two part series on exorcism, hosted and narrated by none

459
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<v Speaker 1>other than Barbara Walters. Talk about a media event. This

460
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<v Speaker 1>was the first time a supposed real exorcism was broadcast

461
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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the world. No one had seen anything like

462
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<v Speaker 1>this before, and it was chilling. Actually issued a warning

463
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<v Speaker 1>to viewers and urged that children shouldn't watch what was

464
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<v Speaker 1>about to be aired. Now, I know this happened before

465
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<v Speaker 1>the Right of Exorcism was updated in nineteen ninety nine,

466
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<v Speaker 1>and maybe this is exactly why the rite was updated.

467
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<v Speaker 1>But during the special, a Roman Catholic priest, with permission

468
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<v Speaker 1>from the church, of course, performed a televised exorcism on

469
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<v Speaker 1>a sixteen year old girl named Gina. Now, of course,

470
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<v Speaker 1>this all happens in Florida, right, This is exactly something

471
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<v Speaker 1>that would happen in Florida, just like our last episode.

472
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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Now, doctors at Miami's Children's Hospital classified this gena as

474
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<v Speaker 1>actively psychotic, but after months of investigation by the Catholic Church,

475
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<v Speaker 1>the church deemed that Gina had a lot more going

476
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<v Speaker 1>on than met the eye. The church declared that Gina

477
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>was in fact possessed. Now, I want to give you

478
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<v Speaker 1>guys a taste of what was aired back in ninety nine,

479
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<v Speaker 1>So Oscar, we pretty please play a clip from that show.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but then something does happen. Gina begins wretchy, and

481
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<v Speaker 6>as the pre exorcism examination intensifies, unexpectedly low and unfamiliar

482
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<v Speaker 6>voices begin to emerge.

483
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<v Speaker 7>Gina said to.

484
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<v Speaker 4>Me, I have to go.

485
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 3>I tell you, do you want me to go? Understand?

486
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<v Speaker 4>Do you understand? No, you understand I don't want to.

487
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<v Speaker 7>The very first time that I heard the voice manifested,

488
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<v Speaker 7>I was quite surprised. I hadn't expected that at all,

489
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 7>and I thought, boy, here we go fast and furious.

490
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<v Speaker 6>During a break, while the team prefours to begin the

491
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 6>right of exorcism, Gina becomes violent.

492
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<v Speaker 7>And the name of Jesus, I silence, I command the spirit.

493
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<v Speaker 7>I was able to leave now.

494
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<v Speaker 1>So on the night of April fourth, nineteen ninety one,

495
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<v Speaker 1>and living rooms across America as families flipped on that

496
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>television and settled into their favorite spot on the couch

497
00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 1>and eased into their lazy boys. Instead of tuning into

498
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the Cosby Show, or Roseanne or Wings or Coach or

499
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Designing Women.

500
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Wait, sorry, your first two shows were already so public,

501
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 2>like they're so bad news. You mentioned today their first

502
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>two off the gate?

503
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>What about Roseanne?

504
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Racist thing? Oh whole sweet thing?

505
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, and of course we know that.

506
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. I'm saying, first to think of that.

507
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<v Speaker 4>Man.

508
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I grew up on Rosanne.

509
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I got it. I'm just saying, you know, it was

510
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>funny time out. So since you brought that up. Sorry, sorry, folks,

511
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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna take a quick digression. So after my dad

512
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 1>passed away, I was cleaning out his place and terrible shape,

513
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, I found a bunch of books that he had,

514
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them are very touching. It's, you know,

515
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>how to be a dad. It's you know, books about fathers,

516
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Italian fathers, and you know kind of old school books

517
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and magazine articles clipped out on how to be a

518
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>good parent, just you know, even right like right now,

519
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>touched up by it. But one of the books he

520
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 1>had was how to be a Father. I can't it's

521
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>sitting up in my office. I could run up and

522
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>get the title. But it's a book written by Bill Cosby.

523
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>On how to be a parent didn't age.

524
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, but I kept it.

525
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>It's in my office, as are quite a few of

526
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the books I took from his place.

527
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so that's crazy.

528
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.319
<v Speaker 1>People tuned in that night. They weren't watching Designing Women,

529
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Right their Wings or Coach. On this night, an estimated

530
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine million Americans instead witnessed an exorcism, and it

531
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a pleasant watch. They saw a priest conduct portions

532
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of the right of exorcism on Gina, who was restraint

533
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and thrashing and growling and taunting. I mean, you heard

534
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the clip we played, and she's making these ugly faces

535
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 1>while wagon or tongue very reminiscent of Reagan McNeil. In

536
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the Exorcist movie, Viewers heard Gena shout words and voices

537
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 1>that supposedly weren't her own, words that sounded like sanka, dali, buga, booga,

538
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 1>and rabayah, silly words that sound incredibly spooky, almost powerful

539
00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>when spoken by a supposedly demon possessed girl, and Americans

540
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>ultimately saw the two demons inhabiting Gina named Zion, who

541
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Gina described as an African from the jungle, and Minga

542
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>described only as a short woman. Well viewers got to

543
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 1>see those two demons expelled, exercised, hallelujah, a happy ending

544
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 1>to a downright terrifying ordeal. And again, it's estimated that

545
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty nine million people watched Gina's liberation from the devil.

546
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>And the reason the Church allowed the exorcism to err

547
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>because the Church believed it was important for people to

548
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 1>understand that the devil does exist, and most importantly, to

549
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>let the public see firsthand that the Catholic Church can

550
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 1>help those whom it feels needs relief from evil spirits.

551
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>In ratings a boost and ratings a boost.

552
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 1>And ratings exactly. And it's like the airing of Genus

553
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 1>exorcism was a demon fueled commercial for the Catholic Church.

554
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 2>But it also feels like a double edged sword. I mean,

555
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where you're going with this.

556
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

557
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I didn't read into this, so I don't know if

558
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm spoiling something here, but it feels like, you know,

559
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and I think the Church believes this wholeheartedly. Even I

560
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 2>do to some extent, even though I'm not religious like that,

561
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I believe in this power.

562
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>That people can become possessed.

563
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I mean I meant like the power of prayer. Okay,

564
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you know how the power prayer works right like that?

565
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>For example, when I was hospitalized for something I'm related.

566
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna talk about nothing with possession, but I

567
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>was hospitalized once for over a week, and I see

568
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.759
<v Speaker 2>you and stuff. My family got their church to have

569
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a thousand people pray for me.

570
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know this.

571
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a thing. I remember a thousands

572
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>is made up number.

573
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 4>It was.

574
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>It was a bunch of people. Don't remember the number

575
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 2>they told me. And you know, I've and I've also

576
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 2>read on people read studies secondhand. Of course, I'm not

577
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>a doctor that says the power prayer really works for

578
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>people if communally, even if you don't know them, a

579
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>bunch of strangers can be helping you literally good vibes

580
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>in good vibes, right, good vibing you all the way

581
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 2>in full of Christmas and can't resist. And I feel

582
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>like this is a double edged sword because twenty nine

583
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 2>million people watching an exorcist, did you mention was it

584
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 2>live or not?

585
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:45.559
<v Speaker 4>No?

586
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, it was foot I think, you know, I think

587
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 1>in my story I did say a live televised, live exorcism.

588
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>It was prerecorded.

589
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Probably it was pre I always wouldn't have to because

590
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>they have to send do some editing. But I guess

591
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>it would have been way worse if it was live.

592
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>But because like I feel like, having the vibes of

593
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>so many conflicting things from twenty nine million people at

594
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 2>the same time, that could be a double edged sword.

595
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what you meant by the double edged sword? Yeah, Oh,

596
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 1>is that interesting. I think we came up. I think

597
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you just came up with a topic, the power of prayer. Yeah,

598
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>and cases where it went good, maybe it didn't go

599
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>good in other cases, right, double edged sword? Yeah, that's

600
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 1>really interesting.

601
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's what I was thinking of that.

602
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's kind of what this was, like, it's her exorcism.

603
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>The church viewed it as kind of a commercial. The

604
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 1>church was hoping that by airing this exorcism, they would

605
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>change some minds and win some hearts.

606
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, what is the greatest trick to double up a.

607
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Pull but making people believe he's not there?

608
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Right, they're doing the opposite great pr And.

609
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the public's reaction when the Exorcist

610
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>movie was released. When the church saw that up ticking converts.

611
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's true.

612
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>But just remember though, as of nineteen ninety nine, the

613
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>church no longer wants this stuff publicized. And I don't

614
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 1>have an answer, but I wonder why, Like if airing

615
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff like this wins convert, So you think the church

616
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>would want more genus to publicize.

617
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>You would think so.

618
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>But for some reason they put a stop to that ship.

619
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<v Speaker 1>When it added to it wasn't hit.

620
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>So it had a different hit than they wanted.

621
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, what exactly did it not work? Did it have

622
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>the opposition cultest activity? It's interesting why did they do that?

623
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 4>Right?

624
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Because the more tension you bring onto something, the more

625
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>power you give it negative or positive. Right, because the

626
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>white celebrity shouldn't be trusted, we'll expand on that well,

627
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 2>like I think we put a lot of weight on

628
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>celebrity them, Like if we know someone exists and we

629
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>know their name, we tend to like put a lot

630
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<v Speaker 2>more weight into what they have to say or what

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<v Speaker 2>they do, even yourself or your family because they're not

632
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<v Speaker 2>at all famous like they are, and we shouldn't because

633
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<v Speaker 2>they should. They should just be trusted. And the thing

634
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<v Speaker 2>they're famous for. The actors absolutely like an actor or singer.

635
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<v Speaker 2>You should ask me questions about acting or singing, don't

636
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<v Speaker 2>ask some questions about politics. That's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how you put it where we would listen

638
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<v Speaker 1>to their thoughts and ideas before our own family because

639
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>our family isn't famous. Right, that's fucked up.

640
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<v Speaker 2>That's fucked up by very true and more. And it

641
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<v Speaker 2>feels more to these days because of the power or

642
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<v Speaker 2>dispowerment of the Internet. But that's how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, great insight, great point. So again I wonder why.

644
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<v Speaker 1>I wonder why they put a kebash to publicize and

645
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. It's if it was supposed to work, but

646
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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's to protect the identities of those involved, the priests,

647
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<v Speaker 1>the possessed. I don't know. Anyway, If you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes listeners, I left a link to the

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<v Speaker 1>full twenty twenty series on Gina if you want to

650
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<v Speaker 1>see it, But I'm telling you if you scare easily.

651
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<v Speaker 1>I know it's October, but maybe skip it. It's pretty creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I watch it with your family. I agree with

653
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<v Speaker 2>we're going.

654
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<v Speaker 1>To find kids kids. This is what happened when you lie.

655
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<v Speaker 1>I am no, unfuck, that's what happens when you. I okay. Now,

656
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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to exorcisms, there are actually two types,

657
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<v Speaker 1>minor exorcisms and major exorcisms. Now, minor exorcisms are fair

658
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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know any of this like this, this

659
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<v Speaker 1>is new stuff to me. Yeah, this is really involved.

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<v Speaker 4>Ye.

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<v Speaker 1>Minor exorcisms are found in two places, both where baptism

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, because those who are not baptized, like babies,

663
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<v Speaker 1>do not yet have the grace of baptism to protect them,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore they're more more vulnerable to assaults from the

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<v Speaker 1>devil and his minions. Plus depending on what you believe

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<v Speaker 1>as a Christian, and I'm not going to debate this,

667
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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of Christians strongly believe that babies are

668
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<v Speaker 1>born with inherited sin from their mother, what's referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as original sin. You got to get rid of that

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<v Speaker 1>shit for the sake of the baby's soul, which is

671
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<v Speaker 1>why the practice of baptized baptizing children exists. So where

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<v Speaker 1>minor exorcisms are concerned, we have the right of baptism

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<v Speaker 1>for children, and we have the right of Christian initiation

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<v Speaker 1>of adults, in other words, adult baptism. Now, it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to actually when we got married, Katie had to get

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<v Speaker 1>rebaptized really as an adult, so she went through that

677
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<v Speaker 1>rite of Christian initiation of adults so he could get

678
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<v Speaker 1>married in a Catholic church because they didn't. It is

679
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<v Speaker 1>a mouthful. She was hastily baptized will say, and then

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<v Speaker 1>whisked the way when she was just an infant in

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<v Speaker 1>the church didn't recognize that as an actual baptism, so

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<v Speaker 1>she had to go through this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to note that minor exorcisms don't deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the full possession of a person by a demon or demons. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it deals with the expulsion of evil spirits that are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to negatively influence a person. The demon isn't inhabiting

688
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<v Speaker 1>the person, yet he's outside knocking trying to get in,

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<v Speaker 1>in essence, trying to create a doorway the demon is

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<v Speaker 1>through which he and his friends could enter and take

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<v Speaker 1>hold of a person possessed them. And even though minor

692
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<v Speaker 1>exorcisms don't look like something out of the Exorcist movie,

693
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<v Speaker 1>all crazy and violent, the words and actions of priests

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<v Speaker 1>uses during a minor exorcism each time a child or

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<v Speaker 1>adult is baptized in the Catholic Church, they're actually very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful even though it might not look like it or

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<v Speaker 1>sound like it. Here's an excerpt from the right of

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<v Speaker 1>Baptism as found in the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is actual exorcistic prayers. Take of my holy whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>I cast you out, unclean spirit, in the name of

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<v Speaker 1>the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Depart

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<v Speaker 1>and stay far away from this servant of God. For

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<v Speaker 1>as the Lord himself who commands you a cursed and

704
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<v Speaker 1>doomed spirit, he who walked on the sea and reached

705
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<v Speaker 1>out his hand to Peter as he was sinking. So then,

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<v Speaker 1>foul fiend, recall their that decided your fate once and

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<v Speaker 1>for all. Indeed, pay homage to the Living and True God,

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<v Speaker 1>pay homage to Jesus Christ, his Son, and to the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Spirit. Keep far from this servant of God, for

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ, our Lord and God, has freely called him

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<v Speaker 1>to his holy grace and blessed way into the waters

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<v Speaker 1>of baptism. And amen him being in this case the

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<v Speaker 1>person being baptized. Powerful language, and even in the post

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<v Speaker 1>Vatican too Roman Rite, the ordinary Rite, the ordinary right,

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<v Speaker 1>boring right. Still, the words and actions used during these

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<v Speaker 1>minor baptisms are quite powerful. And I remember this vividly

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<v Speaker 1>from when my kids were baptized. Were you there when

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<v Speaker 1>both kids? I think I feel like I was like

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<v Speaker 1>you were too. I'm like ninety nine percent sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure too. I don't remember any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, yeah, so yeah, I remember this visibly. So we

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<v Speaker 1>were all there at our church. We're up there, we

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<v Speaker 1>are upfront at the baptismal font. What my kids are

724
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<v Speaker 1>going to be baptized in the water, the font. Everyone's

725
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<v Speaker 1>dressed nice. God parents were there, all our families and friends,

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<v Speaker 1>Our priest and our family deacon was there. And actually

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<v Speaker 1>a deacon can perform the rite of baptism, doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be a priest. Then the priest gently blows into

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<v Speaker 1>our baby's face three times as a figurative way to

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<v Speaker 1>expel demons. He anoints our kids foreheads and chests with

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<v Speaker 1>oil and the sign of a cross holy oil. He

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<v Speaker 1>lays his hands on our son's head or our daughter's head,

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<v Speaker 1>and he recites a number of exorcistic prayers, including the following.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember this is from the ordinary, right, almighty, everlasting God

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<v Speaker 1>Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Look what favor on

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<v Speaker 1>your servant whom it has pleased you to call to

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<v Speaker 1>this first step in the faith, rid him of all

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<v Speaker 1>inwards blindness, several snares of Satan, which heretofore bound him

739
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<v Speaker 1>open wide. For him, Lord, the door to your fatherly

740
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<v Speaker 1>love made a seal of your wisdom. So penetrate him

741
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<v Speaker 1>as to cast out all tainted and foul inclinations, and

742
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<v Speaker 1>let in the fragrance of your lofty teachings. Thus shall

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<v Speaker 1>he serve you gladly in your church, and grow daily

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<v Speaker 1>more perfect through Christ our Lord. Now, of course he

745
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<v Speaker 1>in this case is our son, or he would have

746
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<v Speaker 1>replaced she for our daughter Talia. Everything the priest is

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<v Speaker 1>doing and saying throughout the baptism again, are all minor exorcisms,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they don't look like exorcisms as we've come

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<v Speaker 1>to think of them. And you know what, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>through this baptism thing twice with my kids and twice

751
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<v Speaker 1>with my god children, so four times, and I never

752
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<v Speaker 1>realized what was actually happening until I started putting this

753
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<v Speaker 1>episode together. Yeah, my unobserved ass. But now all that

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<v Speaker 1>was minor exorcisms, right, we're just talking about minors. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about major exorcisms. Remember, minor are demons

756
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<v Speaker 1>trying to get in. They're not in yet, the priests

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<v Speaker 1>or the deacon. They're trying to get rid of those

758
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<v Speaker 1>evil spirits before they can take hold. Right, That's what

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<v Speaker 1>minor exorism for. That's what baptism is about. Now with

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<v Speaker 1>major exorcisms, the first thing to know is that they're

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<v Speaker 1>used when a person is believed to actually be inhabited

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<v Speaker 1>by demons. By the other it's no longer just an

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<v Speaker 1>evil outside force trying to corrupt a person in order

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<v Speaker 1>to create this doorway through which demons can enter a person. No,

765
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<v Speaker 1>the demons are in and they're creating fucking havoc, doing

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<v Speaker 1>everything they possibly can to separate the possessed person, or

767
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<v Speaker 1>more like, the possessed person's soul from God. These major exorcisms,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes referred to as solemn exorcisms, can only be performed

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<v Speaker 1>by a trained exorcist priest with the permission from the

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<v Speaker 1>local bishop, and they can only be performed after a

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly possessed person undergoes intense medical evaluation by again preferably

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic or Christian leaning doctors and psychologists. If the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>agree that something's wrong outside of what modern medicine can

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<v Speaker 1>diagnose cure control. Then an exorcism is granted, and major

775
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<v Speaker 1>exorcisms can take days, weeks, months, or even years to complete.

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<v Speaker 1>Some have to go beyond the local exorcist up to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pope, and sadly, some are never completed. And major

778
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<v Speaker 1>exorcisms could be violent, albeit not exorcist movie levels of violence,

779
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<v Speaker 1>but still swinging arms and fists, spitting, cursing, sudden fast

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<v Speaker 1>body movements, and it's reported that sometimes there's other unexplainable

781
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<v Speaker 1>actions observed, like speaking in hungs, foul phantom smells, and

782
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<v Speaker 1>even levitation. A major exorcism could be very intense, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's said that most exorcists may only encounter a handful

784
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<v Speaker 1>of major exorcisms throughout their entire career, and their career

785
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<v Speaker 1>is for life, right right. In other words, these cases

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<v Speaker 1>are very rare. That's good news for us, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's yeah, I would say. I imagined. I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that the is not true, that that the pope

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<v Speaker 2>has like a red phone the way we used to

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<v Speaker 2>doing the old and throwing di iron curtain days, and

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<v Speaker 2>that when that rings is when he needs approval, When

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<v Speaker 2>they need approval on his.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, goes on the head, goes on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine phone and his Vatican chambers.

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<v Speaker 1>And off he goes in the popemobile, right, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it looks ridiculous though.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Now, just as there's different type of exorcisms, major

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<v Speaker 1>and minor, there are also different stages of possession too.

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<v Speaker 1>Now a person doesn't go to bed normal and then

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<v Speaker 1>bam they wake up possessed. It doesn't happen like that.

802
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.559
<v Speaker 1>It's not like the movies. This happens in stages, and

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<v Speaker 1>it begins with a door opening, and that door can

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<v Speaker 1>open without a person even realizing it, which is terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like using a Ouiji board, tarot cards, pendulums, pagan symbols,

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00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>using healing crystals and birth stones, even ghost hunting. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>things we love to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have done for you guys. Any of these

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<v Speaker 2>things mirror yea, I that feels like that's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's terrible. It's horrifying. I don't know what's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come through there. And just while I was going through here,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I saw something on the stairs. Again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, that's how you're looking, So any of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Ghost hunting included anything it could be considered a cult.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, can serve to open a doorway for demons

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<v Speaker 1>and eventual possession. Just listeners, do me favorite listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of Supernatural Occurrence Studies Podcast episode twenty two

818
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<v Speaker 1>and what happened to my own house when my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>started using a pendulum to talk to a spirit named Johnny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fucking terrifying. I actually had to have a

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<v Speaker 1>priest come and bless this house, and of course, me

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<v Speaker 1>being me, I recorded the whole thing, right, Oscar, Can

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<v Speaker 1>we play a little bit from our House blessing.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure Stasa, Katie, prro and Eco everyser the Lord.

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<v Speaker 4>For my happy es, God brand.

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<v Speaker 3>My happy Yes, the conference, the spear.

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<v Speaker 4>Everywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>Things treasuryalos, scenes and of love coming up bus and.

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<v Speaker 2>Cleanse us from every emputy and says.

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<v Speaker 3>All over the rest of the coss reserve the habit.

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<v Speaker 7>With the other rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>It was other rooms. So that was just a quick

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<v Speaker 1>clip Oscar put together from our House Blessing back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen. They walked room to room, they sang kind

835
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<v Speaker 1>of chanting, they splashed holy water around, and I believe

836
00:47:56.519 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 1>they spread incense throughout the house too. After that blessing,

837
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>we sealed our doors and windows by marking a cross

838
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>on them with blessed oil, like on the wood frame

839
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.519
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the doors and windows. And I'll tell you, after

840
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 1>all this, Johnny, the thing that was messing with my daughter,

841
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 1>never made another appearance and she never mentioned him again.

842
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 1>What that means, I don't know. Now. I want to

843
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>mention here that the clip you heard was not a

844
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Catholic house blessing. It was actually Eastern Orthodox, and of

845
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>course Ether Eastern Orthodox is a branch of Christianity along

846
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:38.320
<v Speaker 1>with Catholicism and Protestantism. So you see, I'm half Ukrainian,

847
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and my cousin on my Yuki side he was an

848
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>ether Eastern Orthodox priest. So he and his wife came

849
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 1>to our house to help us get rid of Johnny.

850
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>And it must have worked because our daughter was never

851
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 1>affected by this thing. Again cool, so little firsthand experience

852
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.840
<v Speaker 1>there with this stuff. Anyway, A little digression, but we

853
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:03.000
<v Speaker 1>were talking about the different stages of possession right now.

854
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Once the door is open and evil spirits take notice,

855
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>they're like, a huh, that motherfucker right there? A person

856
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>will a possession of a person will happen in those

857
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 1>in stages, and those stages are infestation, oppression, obsession, and

858
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>finally possession. Now, during the infestation stage, a person will

859
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:33.199
<v Speaker 1>start to experience typical haunted house like symptoms. Could you

860
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>say typical and haunted house in the same sentence, I

861
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:36.159
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

862
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you can, because you know, we're endured by

863
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 2>the by media and pop culture to know these symbols

864
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 2>and science and movies. So I think it's enough to

865
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 2>say that, yeah, there are typical and uncommon versions of this.

866
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. We're talking about, okay, the tropes, right, like

867
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 1>how we're trained to think about what for the creek,

868
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 1>disembodied voices and steps right just you know, phantom sounds,

869
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 1>creek items moving around the house seemingly on their own.

870
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.880
<v Speaker 2>That show Evil did a good job of this throughout

871
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the whole series. I mean, they had to do with

872
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of potential hauntings or possessions. They call them infestations.

873
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>A lot of times they're like pre possessions, prepossession. They

874
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>get into him saying because they're assessors right there to

875
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 2>see if they need an exorcist. That's right, right, that's

876
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the whole point of that series. So a few episodes

877
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 2>would be that, and then one guy would be like, well,

878
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>let's see what's wrong with the house. See what's making

879
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 2>that noise first, that's in our physical domain before we

880
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>go into supernatural, and they will find those things. And

881
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they would find like this dryer has this thing loose,

882
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>so it makes this noise at three in the morning.

883
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, like that show infestations, Yeah, first first stage

884
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.280
<v Speaker 1>of possession. Those symptoms, right, do somebody voices the phantom smells,

885
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 1>items moving around. You might even see an apparition out

886
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of your peripheral like we've been seeing down here, you know,

887
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the things we try to document when we're out ghosts

888
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 1>or when we were out on our podcast adventures, right,

889
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 1>those kind of things. I believe this is what was

890
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:11.679
<v Speaker 1>happening with my daughter when whatever Johnny was was happening. Now, overall,

891
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 1>things experienced during the infestation stage can be freaky, but

892
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>it's nothing too over the top. It's that did is

893
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 1>my mind playing tricks on me? Or did I just

894
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 1>does my mind playing tricks on me? Did I just hear?

895
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Did I just see? That makes you question yourself, but

896
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing really over the top. Just makes you question your

897
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>your immediate reality, right yeah, but you just kind of

898
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>brush it off and you go about it that we

899
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>did here, daughter, we have here, We go just what

900
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 1>we're doing. Nothing goes bust them, No, I got to

901
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 1>do exactly now. It isn't until we get to the

902
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>oppression stage that shit starts to take a dark turn.

903
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 1>In the oppression stage, the strange activity happening in the

904
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>house ramps up. You're being touched by unseen hands and

905
00:51:56.039 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 1>even physical attacks, sleeplessness, horrible nightmare, lack of focus, frequent sickness,

906
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:09.199
<v Speaker 1>intense depression, relationship troubles, work troubles. Now, of course, most

907
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of these things could happen throughout someone's life without any

908
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of demonic influence, but if they happen in rapid succession,

909
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>in a short amount of time, or even all at once,

910
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 1>there could be a sign of demonic oppression. I remember

911
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the strain shit that were first noticed in the infestation stage.

912
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Those things are still happening in the oppression stage. So

913
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just this onslaught of seemingly endless paranormal craziness.

914
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Kind of reminds me of the possession that takes place,

915
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and this is not the same of The Ring because

916
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>it takes plays over seven days and it gets progressively worse.

917
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, Ring okay, were.

918
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the movie based on the Japanese movie Bringhu, And

919
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking that in that movie, it's it starts

920
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>off like believably, like you seen something, is that wrong?

921
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 2>And by the fifth day you're like all in it,

922
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 2>don't believe you anymore. And so it's.

923
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>These stages just kind of condensed rapid succession.

924
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>In the movie. But yes, good movie though, I love

925
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that movie.

926
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So now the third stage, obsession, it's just what it says.

927
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 1>The affected person becomes obsessed with what's going on around them, right,

928
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it's all they could think about. Sleeplessness and depression, worsen

929
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.079
<v Speaker 1>feelings of utter hopelessness and despair, permeate the thoughts and

930
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 1>even suicidal thoughts, creep in, abandon all hope. Really bad

931
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>news man. The demons are doing whatever they can to

932
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 1>break that person's soul and completely separate the person from

933
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the divine from God. And the demons are doing this

934
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 1>so they could advance to the final stage full Boem possession. Now,

935
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 1>mind you, the first three stages of possession again that's infestation, oppression,

936
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:07.719
<v Speaker 1>and obsession. These stages can be cured through minor exorcisms

937
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 1>performed by either a priest or a competent member of

938
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the faithful like a deacon. The problem is, most of

939
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the time the person being affected doesn't understand what's happening.

940
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>They just see it as their entire life is spiraling

941
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>out of control and they have no idea why. They

942
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 1>can't do anything to stop it, so they don't know

943
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to reach out to a priest or a member of

944
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the faithful for help. Now, the possession stage cannot be

945
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.559
<v Speaker 1>fought by an ordinary priest or a member of the

946
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 1>faithful the deacon. This stage must be faced head on

947
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 1>by an actual exorcist with permission from that local bishop,

948
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.960
<v Speaker 1>or it must be handled by the local bishop himself,

949
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 1>because remember, the exorcist must wield the full power and

950
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.679
<v Speaker 1>authority of the church in order to be effective against

951
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the demon. In the possession stage, a person is so

952
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 1>physically a mo emotionally and spiritually broken by going through

953
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 1>all the other three stages that demonic spirits are now

954
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>able to seize occasional control over that person's actions. And

955
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>this is interesting. I never knew this but it's reported

956
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>that possession is usually an intermittent possession of a person's

957
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:20.719
<v Speaker 1>body rather than an uninterrupted possession of a person's body

958
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.079
<v Speaker 1>like you might see in the movies. It's also believed

959
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that evil spirits can't overtake a person's free will. They

960
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.800
<v Speaker 1>can't make a person do something they normally wouldn't do murder,

961
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 1>for example, if the afflicted person didn't have them in

962
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.199
<v Speaker 1>them to be a murderer before the possession, the spirits

963
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>cannot turn them into a murder during the possession.

964
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, supposedly facts.

965
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Now, as for actually performing the right of exorcism, here too,

966
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>there are rules. First and foremost, before major exorcism is

967
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>granted and performed, the exorcists must ascertain that he is

968
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 1>actually dealing with the presence of evil evil spirits and

969
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 1>not a mental illness. As we've mentioned a few times,

970
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:09.519
<v Speaker 1>exorcists must work closely with a spiritually leaning medical professional

971
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 1>or professionals to ensure that what they're dealing with is

972
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>not a diagnosable treatable illness. In other words, they're looking

973
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 1>for the accepted signs of demonic possession, which include, and

974
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:26.159
<v Speaker 1>this is real, a person's sudden ability to speak or

975
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 1>understand archaic or unknown.

976
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Languages unknown to them, you mean right, unknown to them?

977
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 2>By not like unknown to everyone. I guess it could

978
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.119
<v Speaker 2>be both, But they mean that.

979
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>A person's ability to reveal distant or hidden things. In

980
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.000
<v Speaker 1>other words, having intimate knowledge about things the afflicted person

981
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 1>couldn't possibly know about.

982
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Like personal things like if I suddenly say what you

983
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 2>did last Wednesday and that I shouldn't know that exact

984
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, by the way, you mean

985
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:00.800
<v Speaker 2>who you did last Wednesday? A right bugs.

986
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Displaying strength beyond one size and normal ability is another

987
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 1>accepted sign of demonic possession, as is having a vehement

988
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>aversion to God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Saints, the Cross,

989
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and sacred images, and in rare instances, levitation. Actual levitation

990
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>has been observed during demonic possession. Definitely a sign that

991
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>something more than a medical condition is at hand. Right,

992
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and mind you, this is real. These things, levitation, superhuman strength, clairvoyance,

993
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 1>according to the Church, actually happen. It's crazy, that is.

994
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 2>How do you explain levitation? Like? What is that a

995
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:49.920
<v Speaker 2>symbol of I know that I know what he means

996
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to someone possibly performing a narcissism. But what is that

997
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 2>a sign up like that? Is that a show of power?

998
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 1>I think that where it is? Okay, I do think

999
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. It's purely just look what control

1000
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I have of this person?

1001
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Got it?

1002
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.679
<v Speaker 1>You know? Now, if it's decided that an exorcism is needed,

1003
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:14.760
<v Speaker 1>if possible, the exorcism should not be held at that

1004
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:18.519
<v Speaker 1>afflicted person's home. Too much negative bullshit there from the

1005
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 1>first three stages of possession. Really, Instead, the exorcism should

1006
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>be performed at a church away from public view.

1007
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:28.079
<v Speaker 2>You don't get that in the movies or in some.

1008
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Other chapel dedicated to private worship, as it's to the exorcists.

1009
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Great advantage to battle evil in a place dedicated to

1010
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:36.719
<v Speaker 1>God's honor.

1011
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean that actually makes sense. It's just

1012
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>amazing how you don't need to see that in the

1013
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.000
<v Speaker 2>pot like that's not common, not in pop culture. Right,

1014
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 2>it's always at their house. There is always there bad,

1015
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>almost always good.

1016
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Point.

1017
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>There are exceptions, but not many.

1018
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.719
<v Speaker 1>But this is this is one of the rules God's

1019
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.719
<v Speaker 1>God's honor, And you're right, it does track any any

1020
00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 1>holy power you get behind you you want, so being

1021
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:00.599
<v Speaker 1>in a place.

1022
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 2>On the court. Advantage is what we're talking about.

1023
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

1024
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:03.400
<v Speaker 2>That's good.

1025
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.039
<v Speaker 1>During a major exorcism, it's strongly recommended that the priests

1026
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>do not perform the exorcism alone. Therefore, members of the

1027
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 1>lay faithful may be present during the rite, supporting the

1028
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>work of exorcists with their prayers, either recited privately in

1029
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.079
<v Speaker 1>their minds or out loud as instructed in the right

1030
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>of exorcism, and it says out loud in the right

1031
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 1>of exorcism, you should say this, yeah, it's cool. If

1032
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the possessed person is female, there should be at least

1033
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 1>one other female present during the exorcism for the sake

1034
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 1>of appropriateness and discretion, for the integrity of the afflicted

1035
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>person's reputation, as well as for those individuals who might

1036
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 1>be assisting with the exorcism. The preservation of confidentiality is critical.

1037
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about this. It's also strongly suggested that the

1038
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.840
<v Speaker 1>identity of the exorcist be kept secret or at most

1039
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 1>only known to the other priests of the diocese, so

1040
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 1>as not to overwhelm the exorcist with random calls and inquiries.

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01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 1>This is actually it's actually written, and the media is

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01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 1>not invited again talked about this. It's very clear in

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01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 1>the updated Roman rite from nineteen ninety nine. Then exorcism

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01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 1>should not be made into a spectacle or a media event.

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01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, huh, so it should not be made. What if

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01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.800
<v Speaker 2>it happens to be made, do they have to stop?

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01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like someone gets wind of it, you know.

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01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Put a bag over the head and whisk them away

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01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to the closest church. I don't know.

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01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

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01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I have a question about what just mature you read

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01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.239
<v Speaker 2>for the research. It sounds like is it written like

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01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:40.559
<v Speaker 2>like a legal document? Is it read? Is it written

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01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 2>like a chapter in the handbook for the recently deceased?

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01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Is it very good? You know what I'm saying? Like,

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01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:46.280
<v Speaker 2>what is it written like.

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01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 1>When you get into like hardcore church.

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01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Like corport rules human resources speak?

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01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>It is? It's I mean right, it is like that. Okay,

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01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:59.000
<v Speaker 1>So it is like a legal document almost with citations.

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01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Because lego documents sounds like Latin, you know. I would

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01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 2>say it's written kind of like almost purposely to be

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01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.440
<v Speaker 2>so detailed that it's obscuring, Like it's very hard to read.

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01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 2>It's not a layman's kind of reading, but like human

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01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:16.360
<v Speaker 2>resources speak, it's more a concise, like that's what it's

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01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of like like more I don't say clear, because

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01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>they're not super clear either, but like it's more of

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01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 2>a technicality like technically, this is the policies of our company, right,

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01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and bullet points almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when like the right of exorcism itself, the Roman right,

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01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it's I mean it's pretty straight.

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<v Speaker 2>The romance right. Sorry, it's it's kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of like a legal document. But when you start getting

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<v Speaker 1>into like church doctrine, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just I just never thought of like how

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01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it reads like intense, Like is there a school dedicated

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01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 2>like scenographers, like legal pe pialegals, right, dedicated to how

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01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:56.480
<v Speaker 2>these things are supposed to be written? Oh gosh, I

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01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know, you know what I'm saying, Like how deep?

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01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:00.960
<v Speaker 1>How deep does that we would think there would be

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01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:02.920
<v Speaker 1>because the ways a lot of this stuff is written,

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01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it's it's amazing because you.

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01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Got to think of that in general.

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01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Plus, I mean you're you're writing rules and doctrine that

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01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:14.280
<v Speaker 1>a billion people are going to follow and have to

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01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 1>adhere to, So it has to be so on point

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01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 1>clear concise.

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01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:20.559
<v Speaker 4>Ah.

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01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's crazy. Yeah, so great, No, no media event, right,

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01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that shite. Now, the possessed

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01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.840
<v Speaker 1>person may be bound tied up to help curb violent

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01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 1>outbursts and to prevent injury to the exorcist and to

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01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 1>any lay people involved, or injury to the afflicted person themselves.

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01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:45.360
<v Speaker 1>So binding is okay. Now. As for the exor system himself,

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01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.960
<v Speaker 1>he must wear a type of embroidered white tunic called

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01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the surplice, along with the purple stole, which together symbolize

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01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>priestly authority. The exorcist will make the sign of the

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01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Cross on the afflicted several times throughout the right, usually

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01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.239
<v Speaker 1>on the person's forehead. The priest will call on the saints.

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01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 1>He'll pray, and he'll read from the Roman Ritual. He'll

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01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 1>read excerpts from the Bible in which Jesus drives out

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01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 1>demons from people. The exorcist will use what's called depreciative formulas,

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01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:20.960
<v Speaker 1>which our prayers appealing directly to God to liberate the

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01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:26.039
<v Speaker 1>afflicted person. And he'll also use imperative formulas, or words

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01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.880
<v Speaker 1>addressed directly to the inhabiting demonic spirit, commanding it to

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01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:33.559
<v Speaker 1>depart in the name of Jesus Christ. In Jesus's name,

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01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the exorcist commands the possessing demon to yield to God

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01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and depart as many times as necessary, while holy water

1111
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:45.599
<v Speaker 1>is sprinkled on the afflicted and a crucifix is presented,

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01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.480
<v Speaker 1>all in hopes of driving out the offending spirit or spirits.

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01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Once the priest is convinced that exorcism is worked, he'll

1114
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 1>then pray to God to prevent the evil spirit or

1115
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 1>spirits from re entering the afflicted person, and he'll pray

1116
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 1>for the goodness and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ

1117
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to take hold of and fill the person instead, because

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01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:11.239
<v Speaker 1>after all, if the body is full of God, Jesus

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01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and the Holy Spirit, there's no room left for evil

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01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:19.039
<v Speaker 1>to end. Well, And I think this is where I'd

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01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like to kind of end this episode. We've covered a

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01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 1>ton the history of exorcism and the Roman RTE. We

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01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.320
<v Speaker 1>covered the right of exorcism and the rules an exorcist

1124
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 1>must follow. We outline the signs an exorcist looks for

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01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.199
<v Speaker 1>to validate a possession, and we talked about the different

1126
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:39.880
<v Speaker 1>stages of possession, and we even read a few verses

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01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:44.159
<v Speaker 1>of exorcistic prayers straight from the right of exorcism. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of hoping that by now you're ready

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01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and you have a good handle on the right of exorcism,

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01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 1>because in the next episode, we're going to talk about

1131
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a few well documented demonic possessions that could not be

1132
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a cured by the afflicted locals, by the afflicted per

1133
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.159
<v Speaker 1>AND's local exorcists. These cases were so bad that the

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01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 1>demon possessed had to be taken to different popes to

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01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 1>be cured throughout throughout.

1136
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Time, even the post exorcist.

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01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I talk about him a little bit. Oh nice,

1138
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Gabriel more Yeah the movie. So yes, these cases were

1139
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.239
<v Speaker 1>so bad they had to be taken to popes and

1140
01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:22.000
<v Speaker 1>were the Holy Fathers able to cure them? Listen to

1141
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:23.000
<v Speaker 1>part two to find out.

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01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.480
<v Speaker 2>So why you may think that right now you are

1143
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:28.960
<v Speaker 2>an anxiousist snob. When you come and next watching Naxissys

1144
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:32.280
<v Speaker 2>horror movie, next time, you are not ready yet, next

1145
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.199
<v Speaker 2>episode you will become an actissis snob.

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01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, and with that and you get what your

1147
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:39.840
<v Speaker 1>thoughts you like?

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01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And just I mean I want to know more.

1149
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought you're gonna keep going, so I have nothing

1150
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>right now. I just want to know how these things are.

1151
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the cases are cool. Like I said, they're very

1152
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:49.920
<v Speaker 1>few and far between, right, and when there are cases

1153
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:51.559
<v Speaker 1>like this, the Church and we'll talk about this in

1154
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.679
<v Speaker 1>the next episode. I don't want to give away too much,

1155
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:57.960
<v Speaker 1>but the Church, do you want more? Is incredibly, incredibly

1156
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.159
<v Speaker 1>hush hush on this ship. Right, So a few stories

1157
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.320
<v Speaker 1>got out from different people who have been involved in

1158
01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.960
<v Speaker 1>the Vatican and you know, advisors to popes, things like this.

1159
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:09.800
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to talk about those stories. But they

1160
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:12.199
<v Speaker 1>are they're very rare, and when they are taught, when

1161
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 1>they are out there there, church tries to put a

1162
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:18.119
<v Speaker 1>cabash on it, real quick interesting stuff.

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01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't wait to you know, the more I

1164
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:22.119
<v Speaker 2>might becoming as also.

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01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, also, and you know I did one quickly before

1166
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.679
<v Speaker 1>we bounce out of here. All Saints Day, All Souls Day.

1167
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.159
<v Speaker 1>What we talked about at the top of the show.

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01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:33.519
<v Speaker 1>All Saints Day is November one. All Souls Day is

1169
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.320
<v Speaker 1>freaking November two. That's fine, So I kind of combined them,

1170
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.000
<v Speaker 1>combine them both.

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01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.159
<v Speaker 2>So both right and wrong. There is an All Souls Day,

1172
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.039
<v Speaker 2>but not the same day interchangeably. Yeah, got it. So

1173
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 2>it's a long weekend. That's what we call it the

1174
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:45.760
<v Speaker 2>long weekends.

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01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, So All Saints Day honors all saints and martyrs

1176
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:54.079
<v Speaker 1>in the Christian faith. All Souls Day honors all of

1177
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the faithfully departed, those baptized Christians who are believed to

1178
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 1>be in purgatory. Those are the people were thinking of

1179
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and praying for on All Souls Day. Okay, All Saints

1180
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Day is just what it says for all Saints. Oscar,

1181
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Happy Halloween and take us home. Yeah, cool man, anything

1182
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 1>with uh directing or writing for movies or anything with video?

1183
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Have you been doing anything other than my tech talks now?

1184
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I would show you, but you don't have to.

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01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.920
<v Speaker 2>That's still I do. I do Lego tech talks?

1186
01:07:59.000 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you really? Yeah?

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01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I have been for a few years now.

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01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, yeah I don't.

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01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I haven't posted anything new because I keep forgetting and

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01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:07.800
<v Speaker 2>not thinking about it and don't have many money for

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01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:15.000
<v Speaker 2>new Legos too. But yeah, I make stop motion videos really, yeah,

1192
01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea and where they build themselves. You

1193
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 2>don't see my hand doing it?

1194
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Do you have on your phone?

1195
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I have them all on my phone, but it's cheating.

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01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.920
<v Speaker 2>You should really get TikTok. I just also I also,

1197
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:29.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to put them on my Instagram, so there

1198
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:32.119
<v Speaker 2>are there. They all will eventually end up on Instagram. Okay,

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01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:34.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going back to the back catalog and I'm

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01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.359
<v Speaker 2>putting so I do time lapse videos. That's my main

1201
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.600
<v Speaker 2>one because that's the easiest one, just watching me doing it,

1202
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.600
<v Speaker 2>but super fast, that's easy. Most of them are like that.

1203
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And then at some point I started doing a lot

1204
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of time lapsing. So it's a combination. Some of them

1205
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.239
<v Speaker 2>combine both in one video.

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01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:54.479
<v Speaker 1>And do people are people into it? Are they commenting

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01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and watching.

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01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Some of them? Yeah, it's not as much as you

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01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 2>might think about it. It is more than I thought.

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01:08:59.520 --> 01:08:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Let me show you sure a nice short one because

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01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:13.840
<v Speaker 2>some of them are real long. H Let's see have

1213
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.960
<v Speaker 2>so many folks, I'm so bad at organizing this shit.

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01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 1>She's in the shower now. You could hear that in

1215
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:25.279
<v Speaker 1>this shower now.

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01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:28.640
<v Speaker 2>So I've done, and I have a fold that keeps

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01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.439
<v Speaker 2>on my tiktoks. I have sixty nine and I have

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01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:35.760
<v Speaker 2>made oh that's a phone number because I also play

1219
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.960
<v Speaker 2>gameplay on there sometimes and show like that is it

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01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.560
<v Speaker 2>in nature? Might be a nature.

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01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.159
<v Speaker 1>So you're recording right now? Our voices sound good?

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01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they sound good?

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01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 4>All right?

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01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Just hit play at the top there as you know

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01:09:57.600 --> 01:09:58.319
<v Speaker 2>how an iPhone works?

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01:09:58.359 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, could there's a shorter one that I have. I

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01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just don't know where it is. Maybe the deleted it.

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01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But how do you get your hands out? You just

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01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 1>ended it out somehow?

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01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:27.159
<v Speaker 2>How do you do that? Yeah, that's cool, I'll tell

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01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you after you watch it. Plans what do you mean?

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01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the actual set. Yeah, it's like six plants.

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01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, oh nine plants are nine stitched

1235
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:39.479
<v Speaker 2>in three or three groups? Cool? All right?

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01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Does it looks like the plants blooming?

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01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of cool. That's the kind of effact

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01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm going for. It's like when you watch Ninemare before Christmas,

1239
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the motion, right, yeah?

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01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:55.399
<v Speaker 2>You know how they do it is that they what

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01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 2>they do is that they build puppets and sets. It's

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01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:05.239
<v Speaker 2>all real and they have a camera and they take

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01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.319
<v Speaker 2>a shot and then they move the puppet like this,

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01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:14.319
<v Speaker 2>they take another shot a half a centimeter not even that.

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01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:16.279
<v Speaker 2>That's how you do those, all right, So it just

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01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it's all pictures. Those are all pictures. That's like a

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01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 2>few hundred pictures I took to make that.

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01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Really.

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01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so then where's your hands? Like, how it don't

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01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:26.159
<v Speaker 2>exist because I move it?

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01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Right?

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01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I move the object, take a picture, Move the object,

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01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:31.399
<v Speaker 2>take a picture.

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01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:32.319
<v Speaker 1>You're fucking kidding me.

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01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:33.039
<v Speaker 2>That's how you do it.

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01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:34.119
<v Speaker 1>How long does this take you?

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01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Forever? Holy not forever, but a while. That's stress. That's

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01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.039
<v Speaker 2>like four sittings two hours about so an hour serious,

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01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 2>And I had long ones. I have longer ones in

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01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that I have like bigger sets that I've made entirely

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01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:49.439
<v Speaker 2>by doing that.

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01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Move Holy shit, dude.

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01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just need patients and you need to know

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01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:55.880
<v Speaker 2>where everything is at all times, which I fuck up

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01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot. There's a lot of hers. I'm not perfect,

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01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:01.159
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I'm not really ambitious.

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01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:03.279
<v Speaker 1>So then when you make it to circle like that,

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01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it's you just leally. Oh my god, dude, I couldn't

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01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:08.279
<v Speaker 1>I kill.

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01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 2>My That's how you do it. That's the only way

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01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:10.399
<v Speaker 2>to do that.

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01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Holy ship. So there's no way you could do like

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01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 1>speed burst camp.

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01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:16.880
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that wouldn't work because you have to move.

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01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:18.239
<v Speaker 2>You're in there and then you're in there.

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01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah oh wow.

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01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:20.840
<v Speaker 2>And people were saying like, can't you just film it

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01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and take your hand out like that takes way longer.

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01:12:22.960 --> 01:12:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that will take any longer, dude, that's nuts.

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01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:26.960
<v Speaker 4>Man.

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01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:30.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got some patients of a saint. No, no,

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01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 1>not even let me, just regular filmmaking.

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01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.039
<v Speaker 2>So I don't have that. But I'll show you the

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01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:40.199
<v Speaker 2>picture because I took. I took the finale picture of it,

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01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the finale final picture. So I did this big epic

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01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:48.159
<v Speaker 2>lighthouse one entirely.

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01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:50.920
<v Speaker 1>How long How long did that take?

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01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but the pictures are in the thousands.

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01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, dude. Yeah, yeah, you have patients of

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01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:58.000
<v Speaker 1>a saint, my friend.

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01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 2>A long time to edit too, because I have It's

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01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:03.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of rendering, not a long time to edit,

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01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:05.199
<v Speaker 2>just a lot of rendering, so that takes a while.

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01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So I haven't done that. I just got the pictures.

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01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.079
<v Speaker 2>If you have my tick, I'm dude.

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01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want the Chinese looking at everything I do.

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01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 2>They don't care the porn I look at it, I

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01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:20.159
<v Speaker 2>don't don't care.

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01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't look at that much porn.

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01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:23.039
<v Speaker 2>And it is Chinese porn. They don't care.

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01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Tentacles.

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01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I haven't developed an interest to watch it.

1304
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.239
<v Speaker 1>It's good. I wasn't either and I was like, just

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01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:31.720
<v Speaker 1>give it a chance. Well, just watch it. And I

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01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:32.159
<v Speaker 1>liked it.

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01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:34.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, I imagine when you when you two talk,

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01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you're both in the bath with bubbles. No, and we

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01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:40.319
<v Speaker 2>don't actually talk that much, but when you do.

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01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.680
<v Speaker 1>As I'm going through this, I just kind of just well,

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01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what happens when'm working on myself and just kind

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01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:46.279
<v Speaker 1>of But.

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01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Also that tends to happen when someone moves away states away.

1314
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm usually there in Florida. I see him

1315
01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.119
<v Speaker 1>more now than I did when he.

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01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Was in That's weird, funny. Yeah, it's crazy.

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01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.800
<v Speaker 1>But no, He's like, just check it out, check it out.

1318
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.720
<v Speaker 1>You're like, it's like Sopranos, you know, like in Gotham.

1319
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, all right, fine, and I Colin Ferrell does

1320
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:05.279
<v Speaker 1>such a good job.

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01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah he does. I'm not saying it. It

1322
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.279
<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like as potential to be good.

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01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.960
<v Speaker 1>It's the cord slipped, okay, and.

1324
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:19.439
<v Speaker 2>It's the fact the crying lady here.

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01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Uh oh, I guess something about it doesn't appel to me.

1327
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, watching so many shows.

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01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.960
<v Speaker 1>What do you what? We oh, we me and Katie.

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01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 1>We're on the last episode of Game of Thrones.

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01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, you guys made Oh my god, in two

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01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:39.359
<v Speaker 2>months or last less than two months.

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01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:41.680
<v Speaker 1>It had to be about two months. I bet wow,

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01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:42.600
<v Speaker 1>about two months.

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01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Because last time we talked, you weren't season what.

1335
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 1>We were just starting it. I think I was telling

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01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:47.319
<v Speaker 1>you how excited I was.

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01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Katie finally, Yeah, I remember we talked about it.

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01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.840
<v Speaker 1>She's hooked. She's like, you know, sometimes I gotta put

1339
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it down, you know, we'll take a few days off

1340
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. She went through and I wonder, what's happening

1341
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 1>with my friends, you know, and so she really got

1342
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.960
<v Speaker 1>into these characters, like we all did, you know. So

1343
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:06.319
<v Speaker 1>now we're on the absolute last episode.

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01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:07.000
<v Speaker 2>That's insane.

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01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna we're gonna wait a little while to

1346
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:09.479
<v Speaker 1>watch it.

1347
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:11.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and to be disappointed.

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01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, she went through all of it, all

1349
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.000
<v Speaker 1>of it. You know, what was the purple wedding?

1350
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Geoffrey dying choking on it?

1351
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:20.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1352
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they call it? Purple wedding?

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01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:24.720
<v Speaker 2>They turned purple? Okay, I'm pretty sure that's why you

1354
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.319
<v Speaker 2>went Oh yeah, no, I mean and also the High Gardens,

1355
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they're in saying this as purple or something like,

1356
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.520
<v Speaker 2>it's very it's like, I mean double meaning. I think

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01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:33.640
<v Speaker 2>so I think might be I don't remember it's a

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01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:35.680
<v Speaker 2>purple rose or something. Yeah that sounds right.

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01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Aria killing the Night King. I mean the

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01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.039
<v Speaker 1>zombie dragons. You can't say zombie but the ice dragon

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01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:45.760
<v Speaker 1>because they're not zombies.

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01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:50.199
<v Speaker 2>But and just even they were doing a Zomi marathon

1363
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 2>right now?

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01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Are you really there's no good, no good zombie movies?

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01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:54.000
<v Speaker 4>Man?

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01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes there is. I don't understand. You know, you

1367
01:15:57.199 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Speaker 2>have a film guy as the horror film.

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01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Guiys what what there's nothing like?

1369
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.199
<v Speaker 2>So name the top five Samme movies.

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01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I have, dude, I don't know.

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01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:08.239
<v Speaker 2>So you just don't like zombie movies.

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01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.439
<v Speaker 1>No I do, But I mean I don't know the

1373
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:14.800
<v Speaker 1>original Living deads they're all great. Day of the Dead,

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01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Return of you know, those were all which I know.

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01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.399
<v Speaker 2>The Living Dad is a different guy, different filmmaker, different

1376
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:24.479
<v Speaker 2>which other Living Dead one, two and three? Completely different people.

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01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:26.079
<v Speaker 2>That's much more schlocky slashery.

1378
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eighty total eighty. Practical effects were great.

1379
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen I assume you've seen Seana that?

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01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, But I don't like funny stuff oh, you don't

1381
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.439
<v Speaker 1>like comedy, not comedy when you mix, although I did

1382
01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:43.079
<v Speaker 1>like the one with the Bill Murray and and Lex Luthor.

1383
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's how that is a weird poll. How

1384
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.920
<v Speaker 2>did you combine Lex Luthor? That's your go to, uh

1385
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:54.479
<v Speaker 2>form actor for that guy?

1386
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>You talk about Adam sam And no it's not Andy Samberg.

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01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I think a Zuckerberg. Not Zuckerberg because played Iceenberg

1388
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Ice in.

1389
01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Iber something like that, and it was a Burg.

1390
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:06.319
<v Speaker 2>You talk about zombie Land.

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01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Zombie Land. I liked that. Those are funny.

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01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:08.680
<v Speaker 2>That's definitely a comedy.

1393
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:13.920
<v Speaker 1>But I like like the again, like those eighties. No,

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01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I've seen like the cover and that was enough for me.

1395
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Nope, not for me.

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01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:19.239
<v Speaker 2>The cover is just the face of a zombie.

1397
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:22.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like a little it's just like a dog bowl

1398
01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:23.680
<v Speaker 1>with a leash.

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01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Always that the on the cover. That not that.

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01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what you're talking about, And I'm nine

1401
01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:29.960
<v Speaker 1>percent sure it was like stupid.

1402
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I liked great, a great movie.

1403
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not like a fan of like fast Zombies

1404
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:35.680
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but twenty eight days later it was great.

1405
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited for the new one that they're making.

1406
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Twenty eight years.

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01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well they like they keep saying how they filmed

1408
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:41.760
<v Speaker 1>it all on the phone.

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01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah did you see?

1410
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh that wasn't real.

1411
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Well it's real about did you see all the added

1412
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.520
<v Speaker 2>technology to the phone. Oh no, yeah, yeah, that's a

1413
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.119
<v Speaker 2>joke on TikTok is that they'll say though. Quote the

1414
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.520
<v Speaker 2>piece from the article is saying, like the entire movie

1415
01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:58.920
<v Speaker 2>shot on an iPhone, and here's the iPhone and it's

1416
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:02.399
<v Speaker 2>like you see the phone surrounded with all this wet technology.

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01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Attach a man, that's too attachment. It's not a Yeah,

1418
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:10.439
<v Speaker 2>folks settled out, sattled down, that's how they do it.

1419
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 2>It is on an iPhone, but it's not.

1420
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:14.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a transformer. Yeah, that was what it is.

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01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:16.800
<v Speaker 2>It's ridiculous. Look at it. It's ridiculous.

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01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:20.479
<v Speaker 1>So those those are good. I love, love, love that movie.

1423
01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:23.199
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I like my.

1424
01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.439
<v Speaker 2>So that movie I sent you Pontypoole.

1425
01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I haven't watched it yet.

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01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:29.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a zombie movie. One of my favorites.

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01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Was it? I thought I read the review on it.

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01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Why are you eating webs before you watch the movie.

1429
01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:35.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, no, no, no murdering myself. But I haven't

1431
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:42.880
<v Speaker 1>watched it yet. I haven't watched it.

1432
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.159
<v Speaker 2>That's a Canadian indie movie.

1433
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.560
<v Speaker 1>But it's like a very good cool I plan too.

1434
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 1>And now that you know it's a zombie flack, yeah,

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01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll watch it.

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01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:52.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a really cool twiste on zombies and viruses and

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01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and you never heard that before, never, I gues it's

1438
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.600
<v Speaker 2>a really cool idea, never before cool content, And.

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01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:59.159
<v Speaker 1>That's really cool when you introduce something to zombies as well.

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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen never He's in the Chinese one, The Sadness, No, really,

1441
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like it combines like a zombie virus type of

1442
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:14.520
<v Speaker 2>zombie with like the Crazies, remember the Crazies. Georgie Ramuro

1443
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>is the craziest. Yes, I mean all his movies are zombies,

1444
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.319
<v Speaker 2>even the you know that's not zombies, but it's like

1445
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the government experimenting and the human population and it turns

1446
01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:25.239
<v Speaker 2>like fifty percent of the population in that town into

1447
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.880
<v Speaker 2>homicidal maniac so like they don't control their actions, but

1448
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they kind of do because it's based on their internal desires.

1449
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Like they're basically zombies but not zombies, right. The Sadness

1450
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:42.840
<v Speaker 2>is like a combination of that and like zombies and

1451
01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.359
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that they are insane, they go crazy.

1452
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>They are out to torture as well as kill. It's

1453
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 2>like both things that ones and not just to infect you.

1454
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.319
<v Speaker 2>It's to kill and torture. Like that's sadness, the sadness.

1455
01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:59.159
<v Speaker 2>It's not shutter excellent movie we reviewed on the show already.

1456
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I feel she listens to the show anyway, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's from China, some Taiwan actually, and it's hardcore.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some I fucking fucking h So I guess you'd

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<v Speaker 2>call that skull fucking You.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't see that very hat.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't see for example. I like leading off with

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<v Speaker 2>that so people can watch it. It's pretty corey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I just like my my pure eighties

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<v Speaker 1>zombie flicks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you have like rose colored glasses when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the genre. Maybe, but there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great ones. I would say, even better than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure, yeah, because you have to what is

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<v Speaker 1>there something How do we get on the topic of zombies?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there something coming out to that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about series? What series are we watching?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did. How do we get to zombies? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know you're there, bro, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I do a sonographer. Can you play that back at

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<v Speaker 2>six minute market? Reds?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What have you been watching?

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<v Speaker 4>M all right?

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<v Speaker 2>You said, uh, that the Zombie Dragon, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of zombies that That's what it was with

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<v Speaker 2>the UMP