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Speaker 1: Speaking of don't want that. That was the what happened

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this past couple of weekends joker. You guys thoughts on

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before we get some trailers, We did our predictions. I

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were alluded to it. We're like, oh, yeah, and that's

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it's not gonna be as bad as Marbles or aw

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command Wall. We were right. It was wasn't as bad.

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It was worse. Yeah, So yeah, it had a camera

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with the opening weekend end up being it's like thirty

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seven million. The originals close, it's I can't remember where

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but it's it's I think it's like, oh crap, I'll

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find it after. But either way, it was like thirty

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Speaker 2: So thirty seven not a good start.

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Speaker 1: And then it beat the Marvels this past weekend for

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the worst drop in comic book history with eighty one percent,

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making an a measly seven million dollars this weekend and

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it's second weekend, which is kind of crazy. You got

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Lady Gaga Oscar in a movie success. You know, the

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first big time success was the biggest bread our movie

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until dead Pool Wolverine came out and this kind of happened.

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So I got two things to ask for you guys,

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because I tell us.

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Speaker 2: Have been on trust.

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Speaker 1: So I got like, because I don't have too much

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more to say other than what I'm gonna say based

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on your opinions, one just your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts on this, and then two I pulled up in

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Speaker 1: And since twenty nineteen, DC's had seven movies that have

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like Disappointed, underwhelmerre just bombed. There's three I didn't count.

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I didn't count The Batman because I just Famin's on

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his own thing. And I didn't count two Side Squad

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in One Room in two because those came out den

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in the middle of COVID. They're also in Warners. It's like, yeah,

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we don't know what those would have done, right, But

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like these other movies were like in a like since Joker.

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The Last Joker was like their last like big, big hit,

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and it's just it. I find it very curious, Like

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what's gonna happen next July with Superman because you know

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the confirmed day Crypto's gonna be in Superman. So if

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you like dogs, hey, you know Superman's dog's gonna be

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in there, so hopefully I'll get some people, you know,

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just like Noel right.

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Speaker 3: Kirkland, but parents love nol and they love dogs, so

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they'll be there.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see them rocking those Null shirts

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next time I see. Oh yeah, get them that for Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know, you know they already have it.

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Speaker 3: It's too late.

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Speaker 2: What do you make this mess, kirk One?

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Speaker 4: What do I make of this mess? I'm I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: I wish I could peer into the little magic mirror

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and just see what this would have done comparatively to

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if it wasn't a musical. I'm like, I know, reviews

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weren't great going into it, and some people that I

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was talking to, just like at work for example, that

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I feel like they like comic book movies, but they're

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not like super into the like they're not following all

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of them. They were like telling me, they're like, oh, man,

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Joker too, it's gonna bomb, Like it's gonna be it's

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gonna be doing terrible, and like that was just the

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vibe I was getting from some more you know, non.

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Speaker 4: Podcast people, some people that are a little bit more

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general general audience, and.

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Speaker 3: I was still kind of I guess optimistic because of

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just the numbers of what the first one did and

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the numbers, I maybe didn't think it was gonna do

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to be at the drastic drop off level that it is,

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that that's very surprising to me. And uh, yeah, I

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wish I could just see the multiverse of like even

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if it's the same quality of a film, but just

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it's not a musical, like if that shifts a lot

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of people's interest in actually seeing the movie. I know

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the overall story, I don't think it really make make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like now it's like I feel like even in.

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Speaker 1: The years we talk about BVS and Suicide Squad, like

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all those movies, it's like the venom thing, right those

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are making tons of money, like close to billions of dollars.

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like alarm bells are going off right now, at least

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for like my perception of DC. Maybe maybe I don't know,

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but I think people should just settle down. It is

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early still in like the gun rain of and uh

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and what's Buddy's name that I forget the partner?

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Speaker 4: There you go, Peter Big Pete.

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Speaker 1: Their project has their first project comes out in December,

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a newscast next week, but there is a New York

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Superman teaser. I don't think so, but because they did

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release a photo of him and Crypto and they already

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got the assembly cut like there were that thing's like

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gonna hit its date, like it's going good.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that maybe this just is putting

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more like focus on on DC and their upcoming film.

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pressure on the Superman release. I think that's the big

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because that this is like the first this is their

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poster boy, right Superman. It's like it's like their biggest

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release for combook movie? Not like quality, but just for

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like the direction of a studio, even just in our podcast.

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even if those movies sucked, they were gonna make money,

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maybe not the money they made. The only one I

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pressure on because I guarantee you that whole company is

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breathing down that guy's fucking neck to like this has

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to this has to be a hit. It's like there's

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no way of center. But it's like that's what sucks, Like, oh,

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then that this is like the most kind of important release,

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era because it like no one really believed that those

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a lot of people still really enjoyed those, so it

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just you couldn't really see it as a failure. Whereas

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like a huge disappointment for a ton of people if

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all that kind of stuff. It happens all the time.

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sell a movie either, but I think for something like

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wanting Henry cavill. I don't know if that's the case

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don't think the marketing was good for the movie. I

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don't think it's a movie that needed to happen at

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all based on what the first movie was, and you know,

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maybe they had a bit of an angle for it,

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but like, I feel like I'm a perfect example of

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this where I am like exactly the kind of person

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who should have been extremely excited for that movie, and

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just didn't even want to see it, And I just

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bought my ticket for Venoms And what does that say

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for the state of like where DC's at and what

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they did a joker here, So yeah, it's it's there.

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that Superman does very well, or at least well enough

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this point, I hope that makes like a profit, even

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if that profit's only like one hundred million or something,

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because yeah, I do want all the DC fans to

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get to be able to see out this vision that

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can get there. I mean, I don't know if Creature

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low investment, low risk situation and it's more of like

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a soft launch for the brand than anything. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I look at this as like a like a prelog

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or a prelude, not a prelog. I put epilogue, I

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put pro I put the words together. Yeah, like kind

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of like a oh, here's what the world's kind of

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like and a dalton ass.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 1: Gunn said he wasn't announcing anything without script. No, nothing's

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going into production without a script.

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Speaker 2: So he's announced these things.

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Speaker 4: He didn't even say this million things I don't want.

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I don't know what now, he's.

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Speaker 1: Only announced that first slate. All that other stuff that's

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come out is nothing.

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Speaker 2: They they've confirmed.

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Speaker 4: But that slate was like what ten twelve things.

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Speaker 1: I think it was eight.

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Speaker 2: I think it was eight. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 4: Round up to ten, okay, so it could.

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Speaker 2: Be ten twelve, could be ten twelve.

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, it's fair enough. Still, there's still enough.

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But yeah, you got Coman I was out December, Superman's

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on July, and then both Supergirl and Green Lantern or

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just Lantern. Sorry, they're shooting in January. So those first

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those first four things that they talked about, those things are,

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they're happening, but yeah, they said they're not gonna got

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a production.

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Speaker 4: Even the Bolt is further down the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for that one, I think is gonna shuffle a little.

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I think they're still figuring out all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Feels like one you kind of expedite, but I mean,

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I know they all they obviously Batman two.

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Speaker 1: Is happening so well, tough, and when Penguin's doing well,

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I think I think there just might be a feeling

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of like, well, do we even fuck with the Batman

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stuff and just let them do their bat like and

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then you can always put the Batman in a cinemic universe.

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like you don't want to lead with them at any

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point you can bring them in. It's like a shav

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adrenaline and be like, oh Man X Wolverine's in the

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X Men, Now this is super hype. Like I think

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I don't think they would, but I think it'd be

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really bold, and who knows. Maybe what would help is

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if a Superman is just a mega hit, you could

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go like, okay, maybe we do a just like move

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without Batman. We don't need him right now, we can

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just keep passing doing his thing. Don't mess with that

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penguin's doing like great numbers, Like that's I think it's

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tricky with all this stuff and where he's like, yeah,

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we got into the show happening and then we go

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out the trilogy. It's like that's a long, Like that's

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that's a that's a good amount of time. And I

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guess you could have a Batman at the same time.

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We've never done that, right, I do want to see

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that experiment, But maybe they also feel if they're Joker,

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they want to be less risky. I don't know, so,

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m yeah, Tad, what about you run us off here?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think that you already highlighted this the fact that

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this is going to be the SuperM is gonna be

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the first movie that's kind of under the Gun umbrella.

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So I think that that's. Yeah, that's nice because that

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means yet Joker Too has no real implication or effect

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on that. It does affect the brand in the company,

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but it doesn't affect James Gun and what he's going

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to be moving forward with because for him, it's like, well,

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that movie was that was greenlit before he came into

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the picture and it's just that's its own entity.

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Speaker 2: It's whatever.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 5: I I'd be inclined to see like what the GA thinks,

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Like do they know like, oh, these movies are not

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all connected and the same thing, like the same universe,

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Like when they see the Penguin Show, do they think like, oh, well,

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this is this like Joker or fully A David Lady Gaga,

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same world or whatever. It's all Batman, right, Like, I

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just wonder what the limit is and the line that's

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drawn when it comes to the GA looking at the

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this kind of stuff. Because when Superman comes out and

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I think it's been it's it's good that they're leading

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with Superman because it's been it's been a good minute.

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I mean, we've seen, obviously Henry cavill appear in other projects,

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but yeah, twenty thirteen being his movie, But Henry Cavile appears.

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Speaker 1: Last time I led with a DC to start the

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or Superman to start the universe, you know, so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like well over a decade and the last time

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he appeared obviously is Black Adam, which is recent but

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not everyone's gonna make that. You're not gonna click with

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that when they think Superman they're thinking Reeve and they're

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thinking of the Man.

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Speaker 4: Of Steel movie.

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Speaker 5: I would put Man of Steel before Batman versus Superman

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because that one, like it's it's a fun movie. But

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I think people still the gay would gravitate, Oh yeah,

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the Man of Steel movie with Kevin Costner and YadA,

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yah YadA. So when you look at this being kind

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of like a a leading film for them to kind

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of introduce while we've got so much other stuff going on,

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you guys highlighted already, we got Penguin and Batman's they

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can kind of like just step off of that for

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a little bit and they can just focus on a

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character we've not had for a while, especially with super

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role too. Like when I saw that photo of like

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Crypto and Crypto right is his name the dog? Okay

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Crypto ah, and then seeing Superman like it just maybe

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it's because we're going through our Superman retro, but I

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got big re vibes looking at that, and I just thought, like, Okay,

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there's definitely an energy here that he's gonna be the

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gun is going to be pursuing, and I think this

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movie is gonna do really really well. I think it's

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gonna got hair in my mouth. Good Lord, got it?

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Uh yeah, I I it's unfortunate that Joker has performed poorly, especially.

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Speaker 4: For my draft pick.

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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, it was one. Yeah,

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it's costed me.

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Speaker 2: It was his number one, say top draft pick.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, three timer done, two timer my borderlands down here, Taylor,

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I'm with you down there with Joker, fucking.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna when we have, uh, when we have to

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do our next draft and going to look. I think

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that has I'm not trying to clown on any too,

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but I think that's been the lowest. No, like this

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would be like the lowest number one draft pick ever.

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I don't think like I feel like we're no for

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like the number one.

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Speaker 4: Pick, your number one Kirkland definitely, because I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like all the movies we take in the past, usually

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one and two, like they usually do relatively well. Even

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if they underperform, it's not like, oh, it's a bomb,

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so I'll have to look. But I see what the

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closest was. But I saw that as like, oh, I

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knew somebody had it, but at the number one Spottom, Hey,

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that could have been me if it if it changed order,

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Because I think we all thought, Okay, it's maybe not

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gonna have a billion, but it could.

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Speaker 2: It's the I think you were a second so I

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think you had had.

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Speaker 5: My first pick was Deadpoolverene and then you snaked it.

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You lucky son of a gun. But yeah, no, it's

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at the end of the day, Like I was optimistic

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for Joker too to be a little bit a little

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bit better, but I was going in a little bit

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excited too because it was a musical. But yeah, it's

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just the sheer drop off that it's had just blew

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my mind. When you guys are dropping, like the articles

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are just like yeah, oh it's going to digital now

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and stuff. I'm thinking, like, man, that is crazy, And

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I just feel like, Okay, it is the faster, it's

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on digital, faster, it's out of theaters the faster. It's

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not going to be in the limelight anymore, and we

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can just move on to the next project like we

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already have. Like Gun dropped that Superman photo and you

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said Travis's near a comic con, so I feel like

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their publicity is just going to be growing hard for

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James Gun's umbrella.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I don't think it's an accident that the

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Monday after the first Joker weekend. The Monday after is

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when they confirmed the Green Lantern castings. I don't think

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that's a mistake at all. I think they just want

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that good press, like what do we have that we

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can confirm and get people not to talk about this

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because that then the yeah, sure it's not James Gunn's movie,

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but still technically, if it's DC Studios and you and

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Peter are the president, you adopted those, you know, those projects, right.

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So it's like because at the same time, even if

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let's say Todd Phillips fucked off said hey, I'm not

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going to do another Joker and this made a billion, right,

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Like then it's like, oh, well that's money, more money

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we can play with. That's a more success. But now

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it's coming from another thing, maybe the I guess maybe

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I could see the the The Devil's Advocate way that

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maybe James Gunn looks at this and he's like, hey,

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the bar is super low, and it's like, even if

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you can just hit like a five hundred million dollars movie,

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it's like, yeah, well we'll take that, you know, because

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like The Batman almost eight hundred million, So like it

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did very well, but again, I says in trastally, I put,

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there's millions of people around the world when you talk

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about the GA and what they know, like, millions of

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people don't know where Batman is. Batman's just a character.

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They don't know he's in DC with just like probably

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a little more now because that movie happened, but still

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like they they don't know. The Batman is above all.

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I don't care what peop want to say about Superman.

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He's above those characters. And yes, Frans and everything Spidy

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the exact same way.

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Speaker 4: Random question, how much how much do you think Walking

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Phoenix made for Joker too? Like, oh, I think his

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individual paycheck.

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Speaker 1: I think it's out there. I think it's at least

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fifteen million. I think something close. I think I think

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it's something like right, I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like Marlon Brando numbers.

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Speaker 4: It is because I was looking at the budgets, Like

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the first Joker budget fifty million, the second one is

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two hundred million, so they spent four times as much

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money to make it, which makes sense. Just I would

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have thought Walking in Todd would have made a lot

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more money just for those two alone.

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Speaker 1: He got twenty million, and then I'm pretty sure that

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Todd got twelve and then oh no, sorry, so him

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and Todd both got twenty, and then Gaga got twelve.

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So right there, that's about fifty two million.

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Speaker 4: Obviously seen the movie. But man, how come the budget

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is that much higher?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 2: But you gotta think about that.

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Speaker 1: The first Joker costs fifty five million the budget for Todd,

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Phillips and Gaga's that's the budget of.

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Speaker 2: The first movie already, like just their salaries, right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So then you spend one hundred thousand, they still spent

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four times as much. Like it's insane, Like I haven't

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seen it, but like is it is? It is the scale, like.

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Speaker 1: In saying there's something sets, there's like there's some big

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musical pieces and everything.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that alone is a big issue, even

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if they expected it to be a huge movie. Yeah,

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that seems like they got way too much money to

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make that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And the ending has some like bigger stuff.

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But yeah, I again, even if this movie does what

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it does now where it's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna lock at him in the movie with the rock

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and that's of course, yeah, he jokers O fifty million

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for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Like that is the funny thing though, Like

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if you were to keep this one at fifty five million,

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even if it's like under reforms and there's like two

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hundred million, it's like, well you probably still make a

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little bit back, you know. But at then they do

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they care? The three that got those pay days, It's like,

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well you're gonna pay no matter what. Right, It's like, yeah,

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they're not take like they're not taking Walking Phoenix is

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twenty million.

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Speaker 4: I imagine they're out now, like they they I don't think.

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Speaker 1: They'd yeah do anything, No, they would, And I don't

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think gun wants that. The rumors were that the Todd

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Philips didn't really want to work with them, and I

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don't think I don't want to work with them either.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like.

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Speaker 1: Vibes yeah, yeah, And I said, ster told you, like

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what what what?

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Speaker 2: What notes is?

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Speaker 1: Right now? You granted could say like, yeah, Philip should

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listen to some notes that James gunn game, but it's

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like Todd Films directed a billion dollar movie, biggest rad armon.

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Speaker 2: Meal time and one multiple oscars.

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Speaker 1: It's like, and he's gonna come listen to like the

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Guardians guy with no disrespect that but I'm just saying,

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like that's probably they look great movie. Yeah, well that's it.

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I guess that that's probably official the end for the

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Joker talk. Maybe maybe there might be some talk come

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Golden Geeks for a few it's done, dude, Do.

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Speaker 4: I need to see it for Golden Geeks?

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Speaker 2: The performance is still good, that's the thing.

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Speaker 4: So I do you guys even cares?

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Speaker 5: Are you?

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Speaker 4: Are you so fired up about those performances that you're like,

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I gotta have them.

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Speaker 1: I have to wait tend you see the top fives,

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but for both male and female as right now, I'd say, yes,

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they're in there, but I'm not saying it's like they're

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the winner picks. So I got to see a list. So,

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but you might not have to watch if it's not

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someone's recommend. You know, there's three of us, so you

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get worst gates. If it does get nominated, watch it

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after for the fact that.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be an irresponsible podcaster, you know,

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so we'll know, But.

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Speaker 1: You can watch it after the pot right, So all right,

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let's take our final break and then we'll talk about

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some treos.

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Speaker 2: We'll beat it right back

