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Speaker 1: Meaning the live man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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Speaker 2: Fall, letting five thousand miles away?

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Speaker 4: Man, nobody see nobody else you know need no Man,

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you don't they luck. You followed a little story and.

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Speaker 5: You got that.

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Speaker 4: Man. Man don't like the ding on the panel?

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Speaker 6: Man, Man, you matter man.

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Speaker 5: Sept bird. As I was saying before we we we

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started recording, Uh, I think I just like tormenting you right,

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exposing you to like eighty five i q A de

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Catholic bigotry and other nonsense.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, become every time I've gotten an invite on

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the show is to be is to experience some form

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of anti Catholic bigotry.

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Speaker 5: Well here's the thing. I whether it's Jack Chick, or

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whether it's black nationalism or in this case, uh, schizophrenic

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so called classical liberals. I find all of this very funny.

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Speaker 4: I mean too, I thought you were I thought you

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were gonna say I largely agree with their anti Catholic

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taket youth and asking innocent question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is what it all is. It's a

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it's a massive passive aggressive scheme to just ye my

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criticisms note of you personally, bird, Yes, yeah, but uh,

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this is actually one of my longest running ones. And

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so I've been collecting the kind of schizo ramblings of

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the classical liberals. Right, this is kind of the system

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of thought, you know, centered around Genes Lindsay and as

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crazy as he.

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Speaker 4: Is, Oh oh my god.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay his reply guys, the guys who have bought

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in hooklighted Sinker are even crazier. They're genuinely unwell people

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and so forth.

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Speaker 4: Can I stop you really quick? So, okay, James Lindsay.

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I know a little bit about James Lindsay. We don't

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have to rehash all of James Lindsay's history. But I

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and I don't remember when it was. I think it

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was around Michael miss when he was doing that whole

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thing about the archangel Michael and how Catholic there's like

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a I don't think he was talking about all Catholics, right,

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he was saying there was a cadre inside Catholicism of

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woke rtists who actually worshiped Satan? Who is the archangel?

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Can you explain to me specifically, is there a term

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ideologically speaking an ism for his what he was trying

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to say, because it was very foreign to me and

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I couldn't really go I'd like to research what he means,

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but I'm not even really familiar with the kind of

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libtard anti Catholic Michael Worshiper saying that he was doing.

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Is that an established ideology as.

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Speaker 5: Far as I can understand, No, And he has created

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this kind of schizoid school of what you could say,

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like bibliographical schitzo posting where and believe me, I have

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like thirty different infographics which go into this where. Effectively,

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the general thought is that you have left wing and

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right wing woke, and woke functionally means everything that isn't

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like Bill Clinton or George H. W. Bush and everything

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else is just sort of like putting lipstick on a pig.

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It's all after the fact justification. And so it gets

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very very unhinged very quickly. And said, look, if you're

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an audio listener, I will try my best to describe

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what is going on, but these are by and large

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the ramblings of insane people.

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Speaker 4: So isn't he claiming that Aaron McIntyre was secretly a

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Gnostic Catholic like what it went very far, like it

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went away beyond.

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Speaker 5: He also claimed that he was in some way connected

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to the Mesopotamian sorcerer Areman, and that he was in

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some way commuting with sort of a Keeper of Supert

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style Mesopotamian demon. Actually, my last episode.

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Speaker 4: Aaron McIntyre was you're saying.

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Speaker 5: Yes and I know orin he is one nice a

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Speaker 4: That was my first impression was, I'm pretty sure he's

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Speaker 5: Which you know, never let you know the facts of

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the situation sta end of the way of a particularly

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a music conspiracy theory. But you'll notice in my last

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episode with Arn after his name, I put in in

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brackets n h r M, because every time Lindsay and

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his followers refer to Arn McIntyre, like the Muslims referring

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to the prophet, they include that acronym after every invocation

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to signify it's not his real name. He's basically created

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a personality cult around. To be honest, some of the

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funniest conspiracy theories I've ever seen. So what I'll start

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with is a Most of these I have in photoshop,

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but this this one was too complicated, so I just

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put it onto Uh. I just took the image directly

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from Twitter. Right, what we have is, uh, dude, this

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is this is so shallow.

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Speaker 4: I remember seeing this.

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Speaker 5: So what we have here is the political compass left right, authoritarian,

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libertaire and at bottom, in big block letters, it says

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communist attack, swing hard left and into tyranny, and a

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hand drawn red arrow going up into the left. Okay,

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then in sort of a shadow path going down to

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the right. Pendulum swing back should look like this towards

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right word and liberty. Okay, But we have a solid

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red line going to the right authoritarian that says unnatural

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swing exclamation point artificial exclamation point instead all caps, fast,

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fascist misdirection, swing hard back to the right, but not

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towards liberty, and then regression to leftism. The pendulum swing

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is gone, Liberty is lost. So the idea is that

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fascists keep the political pendulum locked in the top quadrant

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away from liberty. You'll notice that there's really no backing

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to this this is your sort of an autodidact theory

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of politics, like twenty sixteen Instagram memes. And I thought

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this was funny just because it's quite literally it came

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to me in a dream. But the actual image that

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provoked me and let me pull this up to do

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this stream with you, bird, let me pull this up

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is a handmade meme. Can you describe this? Bird?

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Speaker 4: So what we're seeing here is an image of multiple

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hands that are reaching up towards the top of the image.

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The hands, there's one hand that is much higher up,

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reaching higher up than the others, and there's three lower

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hands reaching towards the highest hand. The three lower hands

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seem to be weird colors. The highest reach.

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Speaker 5: Hand is reaching out of hell.

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Speaker 4: By the way, that's true, there's flames at the very

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bottom of the image. And the highest hand, which is

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a Caucasian hand, let's just say it, because the other

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hands are different aids and raises.

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Speaker 5: The hand on the right, is that a goblin.

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Speaker 4: The right, Yes, there is a green hand. There is

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also a gray hand, and then there is also a

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similarly Caucasian colored hand. But anyway, the highest hand is

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reaching towards what appears to be some kind of dumbbell. Uh,

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And the bar of the dumbbell says idealism, and then

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woke right and woke left make up the conk the

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different parts of the dumbbell. So the idea, I guess

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is rom hal the white man reaches towards idealism, which

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at either poll is just wokeness.

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Speaker 5: That is my best bed of this. This was posted

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we no cap I am.

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Speaker 4: Lost, well, no captain, I didn't know what it really

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I still don't at all.

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Speaker 5: I was like, I have to keep digging because this

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is this is truly truly bizarre behavior. So we have

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another one, right, this is this is somehow an even

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more confusing one. So we have we have sort of

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a scale of justice, if you will. By the way,

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I might add, James Lindsay is an atheist. He's written

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for us about how he doesn't believe in God. This

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is an imagery that he created. So the base of this,

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this scale is reality God. The the shaft, I guess,

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we would say, on the which the arms balanced is

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labeled truth. The folkrum says, says realism. And then this

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is where it kind of falls apart, because on the

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bar on one side it says liberals in quotes. On

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the right end says conservatives, and then it says realists

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to the conservative side, centrist moderates to the left side.

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as idealists. And in the bucket, so to speak, it

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says theories and grievances on both sides right, which is

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one of the things that I picked up on, which

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is the idea that having any grievances at all, like

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just as period, is a signifier of being woke. I

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don't really understand how theory relates with this. It seems

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that this itself is a theory. I'm curious, bird, do

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you have any idea how to make this sort of scrutable?

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Speaker 4: No? Okay, Now, obviously, what the image is trying to

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communicate is that rational centrist realism is as a balance. Okay,

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I'm sorry, the balancing scale is rational centrist realism. So

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that is to say, the measuring stick is rational centrist realism.

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Speaker 5: Now in the truth of God, apparently.

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Speaker 4: That and now we yes, I'm I'm well, whoever posted

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this is one thing. But what the meme seems to

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be saying is that the objects within the scales on

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either side are grievance based politics, and it is the

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scale itself which is designed to weigh grievance based politics.

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I am a little bit confused, obviously at the analogy here,

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because the object of measurement is a composite of metaphysical

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realism and seism, as well as moderate centrism, conservatism, and

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left liberalism.

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Speaker 7: The Defense Forces are recruiting the next generation of cadets.

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Speaker 1: We're looking for the best, and to recruit the best leaders,

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we too have to lead.

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Speaker 7: That's why we lead the way with fully funded opportunities

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for education and training.

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Speaker 1: We lead with skills you won't learn anywhere else, skills

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that could be vital to future employers.

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Speaker 7: And of course we lead when it comes to being

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part of a team, developing character and resilience and serving

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Speaker 4: We lead.

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Speaker 6: Now you can too be.

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Speaker 7: More apply for Defense Forces cadet ship at military dote.

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Speaker 4: The objects being weighed are communism and fascism of various

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kinds or rightism. I guess I hate the term rightism.

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It's so ridiculous because it's forcing a binary that doesn't

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really exist. Leftism doesn't mean okay anyway. No, I don't

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quite understand what we're trying to learn here, because what

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I take away from the image is there's three different

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things to take away. The base of reality is God.

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Truth ascends from God, whatever lockative you want to use there,

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Truth comes out of God. And then truth becomes an

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object that measures grievance politics, and part of the measuring

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stick is a dialectic between left and right, conservative and

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liberal and centrists as well or in the middle. But

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the object being weighed is leftism and theories and grievance,

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and rightism and theories and grievance. So no, honestly, burden,

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I don't know what the meme is trying to say, because,

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that determines some quality of reality. And so every normal

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political part of the political spectrum is part of the

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scale that judges the reality. And the weight or the

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thing that the scale is meant to judge is theories

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and grievance. So honestly, and again, I'm not over analyzing this,

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but you asked me to give my thoughts on it,

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so I'm trying to break down what it's trying to say.

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statement I and part of a device that measures extremism.

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moderate centrism, and conservatism. And the thing that we are

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weighing is leftism and rightism. And our determination is everything

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comes to balance out of the two sides. It seems

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to be a mixed metaphor saying the grievance politics of

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the left and the grievance politics of the right are

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equal in weight. I don't know what that means, but yeah, Burden,

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am I over analyzing it or are we looking at

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an image that doesn't really say much?

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's the thing about this, it's sort of

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crazy making because you're you're basically like trying to decipher

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these like the Rosetta stone. What I found interesting about

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this is that fundamentally he is making in this a

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claim that would would make a medieval monarch blush, which

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is basically, I have been appointed by God to divine

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truth me Jimbo lindsay former male masseuse have been given

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a mission from God, which I don't believe in. By

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the way, two impart his truth into realism and put

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all the politics on a scale. Yeah, compare you know,

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one set of of grievances against the other. So we

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also have a number of pie charts, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, wait before we get to these, Burden, this

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is a good thing. We don't often have serious conversations,

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but go back this one for me. So I think

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one thing that would elucidate the image more is if

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you were to show the balancing mechanism at the top

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the full kerm or whatever you call the part of

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the top that spans both sides. It would it would

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seem to me the image would make its point more

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clearly if the bars that are holding the weights were

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bent or you could tell that they were overweighed. Right,

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is subject to ideological craziness and that the scale is

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burdened by the heavy weight of idealism on either the

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left or the right. Does that comport with you? Does

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that make sense?

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Speaker 5: That would that would make more sense? You also have

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the secondary issue that the whole point of a infographic

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is to quickly and concisely convey information. This not only

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suffers from the sort of mucho texto fallacy.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, also it does.

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Speaker 5: This is genuinely inscrutable, right, I see and I are

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both like effectively casting into the void to try and

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guess what this means. It's very unclear. I think that

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you were correct. But also, is this just a diagnostic piece?

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Speaker 4: I almost think it is diagnostic, And obviously, from the

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perspective of an atheist, the irony of it is thick

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because you know, and I am a metaphysical realist. I

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consider myself of the tradition of Aristotle and Aquinas as

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many Catholics do. So I consider myself a metaphysical realist.

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Now the irony though, is of an atheist posting this,

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although obviously this is not a commentary on the meme,

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but of the poster is metaphysical realism. The basic axiom

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is that reality exists independently of the mind, and that

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idealism being it's it's opposite that reality is fundamentally a

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mental or spiritual product. So if you're putting God as

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the foundation of reality to an atheist, isn't that idealism

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that it is fundamentally a fiction that is the product

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of the reality? Right, So the diagram, the poster of

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the diagram, being an atheist, is accidentally seems to be

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endorsing a thing that it would otherwise place at the negative.

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I mean, both the left and the leftists and the

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rightists both have these grand metaphysical claims at the base

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of reality. A Marxist, for instance, historical dialectic is at

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the basis of social reality. On the right, you know,

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there's different branches of what the right would say. But

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for instance, one of the slogans of the Nazis was

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God is with us. So isn't that an example of

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the abuse of God as a metaphysical image? Isn't it

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putting God at the bottom of reality the base of reality?

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Stupid for an atheist to do.

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Speaker 5: Well well, of course, because ultimately you're you're you're doing

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the exact same thing, right, you were are basing reality

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in what you know to be a fiction, which seemingly

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is the same flaw and idealism. This will not be

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the first time, Burdo that we catch all gim look.

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Speaker 4: You get this going, hm, and you know, and again,

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I just want to say, like I am a theistic realist.

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I believe God is the grounds of the objective, mind

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independent reality that we're experiencing. So it's not saying you

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can't have this opinion, but uh, it's weird for an

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atheist supposed to this because they're saying the reality literally

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can't function without God, presumably while also not believing in God.

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image just saying both sides are extra and I'm very

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smart in the middle. Also, the thing that's holding up

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my metaphysical framework is something I don't believe then, So.

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Speaker 5: If you were to draw this accurately, what it actually

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would be is God would be the shaft, and then

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both the base and the buckets on either side would

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be labeled idealism. Yeah, it's idealism all the way down.

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Speaker 4: You know, right right? The only thing that is measurable

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is idealism is something else you could take out it.

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It's a very unusual. I don't think a scale makes

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sense to use in this image, which seems to be

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saying reality is a measurable experience and idealism is simply

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a weight to be measured, but not reality in itself,

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which I think actually is a valid commentary. But the

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image doesn't make the point clearly because as you said,

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Mucco texto, and you know what the Mucco texto is

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theories and grievances. Yes, literally, because it's floating out in

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space and the I I guess ostensibly the things that

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are holding the part of the measurement is theories and grievances.

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is because apparently theories and grievances are now part of

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the measuring device rather than part of what's being measured,

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aka not reality but secondary to it. So this is yeah, Mucco, texto, Muco.

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I went to college, Mucco, I'm very smart. That's kind

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of what you're seeing here. I have to say, Burden.

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I also want to say I hate analyzing retarded images

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this way. I really do, because I start to feel

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like I'm the very smart guy who's analyzing this stuff.

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So let's get off of this image because there's a

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lot to be said about it. But at some point

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you say too much and the audience starts going, aren't

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you just a really smart idiot who's thinking too much

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about this? So yeah, let's move forward.

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Speaker 5: Him a lot of these Uh, you have to want.

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Speaker 4: To video listeners, go to the go to the burdens

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YouTube or burden, whatever you preferred video platform is here

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because you need to be watching this. Listeners, you really

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need to be watching this otherwise you are missing a

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core of the thing we can't experience.

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Speaker 5: So there's also a treasure trove of us. There's a

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treasure trove these ven diagrams right, which are.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't this all just kind of tell you what the

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real base concern is and that everything around it is

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kind of rhetoric to complexify what the based concern is,

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which I'm not saying is an illegitimate concern. I'm just

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saying this is a lot of words to use to

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make your position seem more thought out than other similar positions.

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Speaker 5: Well, because you'll notice there is a reference to a

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certain ethno sectarian group and basically every image, yes the

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Hyderian lawyers, as Doll puts it, uh, where we have

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kind of three different ven diagrams basically making the same point.

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The quote unquote Wolke light and the Wolke left and

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also Islam are basically the same. But this one, now, shoot,

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let me get rid of these. I think is particularly

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funny because there's one more inclusion on this one in

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the middle. So we have one circle on the left,

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the woke right.

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Speaker 4: Ah. Just it's it's so aggravating because it's in such

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bad faith. The other one that you had was in

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particular about faith, but we can wait to get to

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that one. I guess it's just in such bad faith.

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Speaker 5: Also, this person doesn't understand how ven diagrams work, right,

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because the left side says woke left, the right side

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says woke, right, the left side says cis white Christian

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men are problematic. The woke rape says Jews, liberals and

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neo Kon's control the world. But by the way, bird,

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if we got into war with Iran yet not today.

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Speaker 4: I mean we're getting there, we're getting there, but not today.

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Speaker 5: No comment. And then in the middle right what they

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have in common, and this is labeled woke, which if

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both boxes are woke, you'd assume it would just be

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one circle because they would share everything. But it says

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blaming class enemies. And then in smaller text what I

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think is quite funny, hates boomers.

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Speaker 4: Boomers, Oh bless Now, okay, let's just take these statements

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for what they are. I want to do that, Okay.

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The walk left says sis heterosexual heterosexual? Right? Sis is

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that what the het?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's what that happens.

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Speaker 4: It said cis genderus heterosexual white Christian men are the problem. Now, Mom,

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why did they call it Scottish cheese?

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Speaker 6: It's cottage cheese, honey.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure, did you duck?

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Speaker 4: Other countries speak different languages.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so when when.

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Speaker 4: We get there, well, we've got to fix the car first.

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Speaker 2: But there's someone coming to help us.

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Speaker 5: Is it the man from Geneva?

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Speaker 5: No, No, they are problematic.

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Speaker 4: Are problematic? Okay, you're right, and you're right, and it

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is a weaker clam. You're right. Okay, that's the weak clam.

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Now the right says kataris, because I don't know what

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you can say on YouTube, so we'll just say, okay, kataris.

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Liberals and neo cons control the world now immediately. Categorically

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different statements, as you said, one is simply saying one

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group that exists is problematic. The other group is saying

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three groups control the whole world. So right there, category

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distinction but apparently the two groups that are separately believing

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these things believe the same thing ultimately, which is there

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is a class enemy to be blamed for. What what

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are they being blamed for? I don't know, but yeah,

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there is no dichotomy here because the categories are so

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far apart.

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Speaker 5: Well, one may ask, well, if creating classes of political

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enemies is the issue, what do we make of the

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term woke? Because seemingly we've just done the same thing

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and made a worse category.

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Speaker 4: Right, And what a great point. It's why you should Actually,

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what would be funny is if you moved the words

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woke left and woke right into the bubbles, would make

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a lot more sense than rather than being outside of

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the bubbles. So yeah, like, if you have them in

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the bubble, then exactly what you said would also be

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evident by the meme itself. Also, what's wrong with blaming

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a class of people for something? I don't understand where

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this whole tendency is from. If the class substantially as

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a class is participating in something that's against you, what's

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wrong with doing that? I don't understand. Isn't that how

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antipathy works? I mean, is so okay? So isn't it

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the case that terrorists are bad to us? You and me?

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I mean, like, if we lived in a country where

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there was a class called terrorists would be a bad thing, right,

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That wouldn't make us woke to go terrorists are bad?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, I would imagine who you are defining as terrorists

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obviously is what's in question. But blaming a class enemy

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is If that's woke, then the very basis of determining

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any enmity at all is is woke. So the like

473
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you just said, I guess, I mean, I guess. See.

474
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The problem with James Lindsey types is they aren't merely realists.

475
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,799
They smuggle a certain kind of realism and call it

476
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all realism, which is kind of what libertarians do, or

477
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what kind of what anarchists do with all forms of libertarianism.

478
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They go, our version of the thing is the only

479
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:59,480
correct thing, but they neglect to realize the only way

480
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you got to your version of the thing was because

481
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:06,920
it was a descendant of a less explicated version of

482
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the thing. So here you have, Actually, can you go

483
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to the other one, because I just want to point

484
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out my thought on this, the one with lots of words,

485
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,319
the black and white one with yes. So this one here, okay,

486
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,920
So this one that we're looking at here, and this

487
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is the example of it, admires national socialism. Government redistribution

488
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is good if it's called distributism.

489
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Speaker 5: Now, by the way, when we were talking about the

490
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Indie Catholic bigotry, they really have a bone to pick

491
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with distributism. Of course, short of my buddy Dave, who

492
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calls himself the distributist right and has never really publicly

493
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,039
commented on that system of thought, can you think of

494
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really anyone who describes themselves as a distributist short of

495
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like Hilaire Bellock and like a certain writings of GK. Chesterton.

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's.

497
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Speaker 5: Now.

498
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Speaker 4: I don't want to just like debunk you, but I

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would say Catholic social teaching is distributists. I would say

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proper Catholic social teaching is distributists. So people who call

501
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:19,359
themselves Catholic and follow Catholic social teaching, I think you'd

502
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,079
find they, I mean, in practice, are distributists. Their preferences

503
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,400
are distributists. So actually the meme is basically saying most

504
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:33,599
Catholics are who any Catholic who's following Catholic social teaching

505
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,599
for the past one hundred and fifty years is basically

506
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,359
a distributist. Now again there's specificities and there's a need

507
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to update over time. My problem with the image is

508
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:52,160
your issue or not libertarian is woke? Yeh yes, literally,

509
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,759
and even then very tactically it's saying a very tactical

510
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:01,799
invocation of libertarianism because we'll find out they hate Rothbard

511
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:06,480
and they hate Hopa like in particularly. Okay, so, which

512
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:11,759
is just is this just all like Cato Institute? Are

513
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:15,240
we going to find out that all of this stuff

514
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,920
that we're seeing is just rhetoric to bully people who

515
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,720
are outside of the regime's way of thinking? Is that

516
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,559
what we're going to find out because instantiated regime of

517
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and I'm using the words here and I know that

518
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,119
I'll get pushed back, especially from my audience, But the

519
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,039
whole Reagan Night thing was, I mean, the best representation

520
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,920
of libertarianism that our US government has seen thus far,

521
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,559
maybe until today. And I know some people have different definitions,

522
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:54,799
but okay, Reagan and Greenspan were libertarians. I mean, the

523
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,799
messaging was libertarian, The practices were libertarian bar a few

524
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,119
instances where you could argue otherwise, not Rothbardian, not hoppying,

525
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,079
just basic libertarian liberalism. Some people would call it right.

526
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So are we gonna find out that at the end

527
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of this thought, terminating enemy creating dialectic is just a

528
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:26,559
way to bully people into saying, Margaret Thatcher was a

529
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:31,280
real American and Ronald Reagan was a real American, and

530
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,599
this is the only kind of American you can really be.

531
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,719
Is either you can either be Ronald Reagan or you

532
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,719
can be Jimmy Carter. Is that what we're going to

533
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,440
ultimately find out is that this is just an advocacy

534
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,519
for the politics of forty years ago, quite literally.

535
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 5: Yes, there's other things I think are quite funny. The

536
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,559
equivocation made between vocal left and woke right. So on

537
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:59,800
the left side it says everyone should look the same

538
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,000
in brackets ugly, which I think is pretty pretty music.

539
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 4: It's really odd. Yeah, on the right side, every spandrel

540
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,239
in there almost yeah, everyone should they didn't know lessons,

541
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,039
I didn't know leftist red spandrel. That's good.

542
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,079
Speaker 5: He's he's quite woke right as well. I just thought

543
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that was funny. Even the equivocation is quite messy.

544
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 4: Even what's the right wing equivocation.

545
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 5: Everyone should think the same. All legal immigration is bad.

546
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I like that they've sort of smuggled in the premise

547
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,840
that the right doesn't care about how people look, but

548
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,920
how they think, which, okay, if you believe they're obsessed

549
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,719
with racial identity. I feel like we found a contradiction

550
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,559
in their own work here, So don't worry burto things

551
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,840
keep going. Oh God, describe this image to me.

552
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 4: We're seeing a straight line horizontally and a bent line vertically.

553
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,800
The top of the band says woke, laugh, The bottom

554
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,880
of the bend says woke.

555
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,199
Speaker 3: Right.

556
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: The polls are left and right, but it's not centered.

557
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 5: Great, it's far to the left because again the woke

558
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,159
rate is inherently left right.

559
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Speaker 4: And also the X and y, or rather the y

560
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,639
boundary hasn't been defined. Yeah, really, I don't know either.

561
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,679
This is so weird, dude. This is the weirdest one

562
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,559
so far by those three memes. I don't know what

563
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:31,480
these people think. Actually I do. Unfortunately, I think I

564
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,360
actually do know what they think, and it's a lot

565
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000
less complicated than the memes make it seem like.

566
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Speaker 5: It is. Pretty much Okay, explain this.

567
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Speaker 4: Here we go Okay, okay, So let me tell you

568
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:46,519
a story about philosophy.

569
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Speaker 5: Oh, they get into that.

570
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,519
Speaker 4: The beginning of philosophy, there was the woke left and

571
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the post liberal right. Now, the woke left is ultimately

572
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:02,440
just MARCUSA. If you know, Marcus MARCUSA was hot on

573
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,360
the college campuses. And what MARCUSA wanted everybody to do

574
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was if we as leftists want to win, we got

575
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,159
to march our way through these institutions, and we have

576
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,079
to redefine what these institutions are teaching people. Now, MARCUSA

577
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:24,639
led to Marx and Hess. Okay, all right, sure, because

578
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:29,360
the arrows are pointing to these things, right, so they're

579
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,840
not pointing against the Okay, So MARCUSA leads you to Marx.

580
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,559
I'm just gonna say Mark and Marx, Well, Marx was

581
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:43,840
reading Kant and Hegel and Gerta and Spinoza and Spinosa

582
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,440
and Gerta and Hegel and Kant. Well, they're all just

583
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,199
nominalists or Esthoteric Pagans hold.

584
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Speaker 5: On, hold on, which is exactly a.

585
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 4: Second, Wait a second, hold on, because this is I

586
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,000
don't know if this is what you think. This is. Okay,

587
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,239
post liberal right. They all come obviously out of Buchanan.

588
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:11,000
That would be Pat right, Pat Buchanan right, But I

589
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,400
guess has way more influenced than I thought he did.

590
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,559
But sure, Okay, the postliberal right comes out of Buchanan,

591
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,880
and obviously Buchanan comes directly out of Spengler and Schmidt.

592
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,400
And you know who Spangler and Schmidt were writing, reading

593
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,679
kant Hegel, Gurta and Spinoza and those guys again, nominalists. Okay, Burdon,

594
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,480
I just want to talk to you, not looking at

595
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:41,079
the meme, Okay, okay, okay. First of all, the meme

596
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,480
is saying, if I draw lines in a certain way,

597
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,599
isn't that true?

598
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: That's it.

599
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: That's what the meme is. Obviously, that's the rhetorical trick

600
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,000
of the meme. Never mind that Mars also has commentaries

601
00:38:56,039 --> 00:39:01,599
on Plato. Okay, where's Plato? Marx had commentaries on Aristotle.

602
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,599
Where's Aristotle? Well, you can't include Aristotle because Aristotle was

603
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:09,239
a metaphysical realist, so we don't want to include Aristotle.

604
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,119
Schmidt commentaries on Aristotle. Well, you don't want to include

605
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:18,159
Aristotle in the Contagle Greta, Spinoza box because Aristotle was

606
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,480
not a nominalist. He was a realist, so we can't

607
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:23,719
write him in. So you have as a case of

608
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,320
isn't me drawing lines around stuff? True? So that's what

609
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:28,559
that is.

610
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: Here's what I think it works off of. I think

611
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,400
it works off of an audience who actually has never

612
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,440
read any of these people and doesn't really understand how

613
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,079
ideas work. So the whole game I try to be rude,

614
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,079
but I mean, I think that's what it is. Because

615
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,400
the whole game that Lindsay played with the woke left

616
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,880
is basically creating bibliographies, right, connecting one idea to another.

617
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,280
So you would say, oh, you know, this egregious social

618
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,039
policy in blah blah blah public school in Biloxi, Mississippi

619
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:02,000
is actually because of you know, certain ideas you see

620
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,000
from you know, Herbert Marcusa or you know some of

621
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,599
the other thinkers of the French New Left. And that's

622
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,039
actually a fairly easy direct ideological lineage to plot. Because

623
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,719
if someone went to college where their professor wrote a

624
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,960
bunch of books about how much they liked Marcusa and

625
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,519
took all their ideas from him, Okay, fair enough, right,

626
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,920
you can say that idea came from that one. That's

627
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,760
not an argument you were just describing, right, Yeah, But

628
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,079
the problem is very quickly he reached the end of

629
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:36,000
the map, right, and so to keep the business model going,

630
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,599
he had to keep digging right. And the problem is,

631
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,360
I don't think he particularly understands what he's talking about. So, like,

632
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,039
I have a certain amount of affection for Buchanan as

633
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:50,480
a political figure, right, I've taken a lot from the

634
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,880
paleo Conservatives because I think that what they did was

635
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,360
fundamentally honorable. Right after the Cold War, they argued, our

636
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,679
great quest is done. Now we go back to being

637
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,519
a normal country. We're not a world empire anymore. Sure,

638
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,360
I think that if they had won, we would be

639
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:11,119
in much better straits now. Yeah. Yeah, He's not a

640
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:16,840
as far as his writing per se, particularly influential past that, Like,

641
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,599
there are other neo conservative thinkers, even some of them

642
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,639
you could connect to Marcusa. Think of by Buddy Paul Godfrey,

643
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,719
who actually studied under MARCUSA and who his thinking right,

644
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,960
whether you know, you want to look about fascism, the

645
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,800
career of a the career of a concept, or anti

646
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,599
fascism in the course of a crusade, are seminal texts

647
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,800
on the quote unquote post liberal right. Even figures like

648
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,199
Thomas seven to seven pull from him a lot. So like,

649
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,440
there's a version of this meme with all the arrows

650
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280
pointing the opposite direction, because that's just incusable. I really

651
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,480
cannot figure out why these eras are pointed in this direction.

652
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,119
But the problem is the conclusions. Yeah, the conclusion is

653
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:58,840
absolute nonsense. But the idea that these are nominal esoteric pagan's,

654
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,639
it's like, okay, well.

655
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 4: Sure right, that is nonsense. Yes, can I I know, well, well, okay,

656
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,920
can I tell you what I am realizing about this meme?

657
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,079
This meme is you so you brought me on to

658
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,400
uh see anti Catholic bigotry, which we've seen a little

659
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:26,639
bit of. But I mean, this meme ostensibly is one

660
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,199
hundred percent a tonistic narrative about the decline of the West,

661
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,559
because the tell is the fact that everything converges ultimately

662
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,039
on nominalism as the root of all evil, which obviously

663
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:44,920
the story being that William of Akham broke the medieval

664
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:53,360
synthesis between the classical pagan metaphysic and the the Israelite religion.

665
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,960
He kind of broke that medieval synthesis and severed the

666
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:03,679
connection between language and the description of a reality. Right, So,

667
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,199
and this is something Thomas say. They blame the whole

668
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,280
Reformation on William of Bakam. I know you've you've heard this.

669
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:18,079
So what's weird about this, obviously is James lindsay and

670
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,760
then the crowd, who I think the crowd is called

671
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,960
like the New Discourse. If I'm not mistaken, that whole

672
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,199
crowd of people, the new atheists, the New Discourse. They're

673
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,360
all atheists. So the mood that's being made in this

674
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:39,719
meme is tracing everything that's wrong with modernity back through nominalism, which,

675
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,760
by the way, you can't escape classical liberalism as being

676
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,719
a part of this diagnosis either. Yes, so that's what's

677
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,199
weird is regular liberalism as comes out of the English tradition.

678
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:57,159
And Hobbes was an aggressively anti Catholic diagnosis. I mean,

679
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:01,760
Hobbes was aggressively anti Catholic, and so the Catholics feel

680
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,079
the same way about classical liberalism as they un Locke

681
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:10,000
was aggressively anti Catholic, and the Puritans were aggressively anti

682
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:14,400
Catholic and very liberal in the classical sense. So it's

683
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,000
just weird that to me, this is the kind of

684
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,760
you to Ed Vaser could come up with this kind

685
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,280
of a meme, right, It's a framework that only makes

686
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,559
sense if you think Aquinas had it right, and every

687
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,079
everything since then basically has fallen away from from from Aquinas,

688
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:36,039
which is I agree with the meme. Actually I agree

689
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:40,199
with the meme we're looking at, except by omission, it's

690
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,320
missing a lot of different parts, especially.

691
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Speaker 5: When you combine the last couple images which we saw

692
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,079
where yeah, the real issue was, you know, the desire

693
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,480
to mandate a state religion. And it's like, okay, well,

694
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:57,280
what were the conditions on the ground before the rise

695
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,000
of nominalism was it? Was it all liberal? One in

696
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:06,199
a liberal order? Right, No, so within your own logic,

697
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,559
And I am not this, but these people should be,

698
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,679
for lack of a better word, like throwing in alter

699
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,119
Catholics right.

700
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,199
Speaker 4: By yeah, But that's what I'm saying is I don't

701
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:22,159
think we should discount the possibility that some Catholics are

702
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,039
are moving into James Lindsay's way of thinking. That they are.

703
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,239
They are in the same way that Leo Strauss attracted

704
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,800
many Catholics. Are we just looking at neo Straussianism. Are

705
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,960
we looking at James Lindsay creating a new strauss And

706
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:42,119
the reason why I say that is because the meme

707
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,800
that we are looking at is redefining the narrative by

708
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,000
a mission. Because properly speaking, if you included classical liberalism

709
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,920
into this diet, aka, the thing that James Lindsay ultimately

710
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:00,719
is is a regime liberal. He is a liberal from

711
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:07,239
forty years ago, aka a neoliberal. That's what we're seeing here. Biomission.

712
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,840
The meme has decided, well, that group doesn't need to

713
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,800
be talked about. We don't need to talk about the

714
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,519
English liberal tradition here, even though properly speaking, as you say,

715
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:23,280
the throne in alter Catholics, they blame liberalism, they blame

716
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,599
the Reformation, they blame nominalism ultimately prior to the Reformation

717
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:33,519
for this break. So it's weird because it's Straussian in

718
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:39,159
that it's meant to capture Catholics into something they don't actually,

719
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:45,920
properly speaking believe, by making Catholics into neoliberals. That's kind

720
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,559
of what we're seeing here, and the only reason we're

721
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,119
seeing that is biomission. It's like, let me tell you

722
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:53,880
all of the bad things about communism. Let me tell

723
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,679
you all the bad things about fascism. You know how

724
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:00,239
communism and fascism are bad. Well, that's because ultimately they

725
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,960
trace their belief systems to Hegel's idealism, and then prior

726
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,960
to that, to CONTs breakaway from the classical tradition, which

727
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,599
is ultimately rooted in the Reformation, which is ultimately rooted

728
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:16,960
in nominalism. And you're going, well, I believe all of that. Yeah,

729
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:18,960
I mean, that makes a lot of sense when you

730
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,039
put it that way. But the omission is, let me

731
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,679
now tell you about why you should be like a

732
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,280
Reagan night And you go, hold on, wait a second,

733
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,079
that's a part of these traditions too. You just omitted

734
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,559
that arm of the philosophy from the discussion so as

735
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:42,280
to focus me on your two enemies. You just circumscribed

736
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,639
your two enemies. But you're a part of the same

737
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,679
dialectic as the two people that you are an enemy too.

738
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,239
But you don't want me to know that. You just

739
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,199
want me to focus on the fascists and the communists.

740
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,280
You don't want me to be thinking about the capitalists also.

741
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,519
You know, we'll call them the capitalis store properly. And

742
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,119
I think nick Land has outlined the best version of

743
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:10,599
this the Gnostic Calvinists. That's the that is the actual

744
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,119
third arm of this is the James Lindsay types, the

745
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,360
the what nick Land would call the Gnostic Calvinists or

746
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:24,119
the capitalists or the Anglo Protestant tradition. So again, this

747
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,360
is what we're looking at is actually a very Catholic meme.

748
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,840
But it's omitting the reason why it's Catholic, because it's

749
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:38,719
omitting the it's omitting the third whole of liberalism, which

750
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,800
all of social Catholic teaching was, I mean, in the

751
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,360
in the eighteen hundreds, in the nineteenth century, as it

752
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:50,239
was formally written down, was meant to address not just communism,

753
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,159
not just fascism, but also capitalism. And that's I don't understand.

754
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,559
So Burden, tell me a, as a non Catholic, do

755
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:07,599
you see the omission of the third arm here? And

756
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:13,960
if so, from your perspective, why is that omission invalid?

757
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,159
Why should that third poll also be on here? That's

758
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:18,920
what I would like to know as a non Catholic.

759
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 5: Well, because fundamentally right, the project here is not an

760
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,119
intellectually honest description of current events. It is a post

761
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,800
fact justification for why James Lindsay in particular should be

762
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,760
allowed to act as sort of a Bill Buckley esque

763
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,760
figure on the right, why he should be the arbiter

764
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,519
of all decisions, and the actual specific ideology that he

765
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:45,159
and many others believe and we may or may not

766
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,199
get into. This is sort of the schizophrenic combination of

767
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,719
an atheist view of the Scottish realists right who they

768
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:59,760
quite know? Yes, but the problem is again right, this

769
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,719
did not spring out of nothing right, and many of

770
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,239
these thinkers influenced some who later would turn into quote

771
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,719
unquote the woke, So fundamentally it's not an intellectually honest exercise.

772
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,400
The point of this is not to actually map reality.

773
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:20,719
Ironically enough, given his pretense to rationalism, the whole thing

774
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,400
is a desire to how can I tell my audience

775
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,000
that the people making fun of me on the internet

776
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,679
from my right are just as bad as the blue

777
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,880
haired nineteen year old female college students that I made

778
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,760
my bones dunking on on social media.

779
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 4: That's the whole Yeah, I think you know what's weird

780
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:46,880
is we can admit there are racial collectivists on the right. Yes, Now,

781
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,280
you and I don't fall into those categories, and yet

782
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:58,760
somehow racial collectivism is moved into the same thing as distributism. Now,

783
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,400
I don't know about you, Burden, I'm sure you've got

784
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,880
thoughts on this. Catholics really aren't uh racial selectivists, I think,

785
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,920
as we're seeing by the great letter recently put out

786
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,599
by the USCCB or you actually aren't racial collectivists.

787
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 5: Well, and that's why this is such a messy category,

788
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,239
right when when woke includes everyone from you kind of

789
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,320
like race first, Pagans too, and we'll get to this later,

790
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,880
the pharaohs of Egypt to like Starbucks baristas, what Catholic

791
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,639
social teaching. It's like, okay, this category means nothing. This

792
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,880
is just a The unifying factor is I don't like you,

793
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,079
which you know again, if we have, you know, fully

794
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,840
accepted kind of a postmodern view of politics, which I

795
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,320
don't think you have, Jimbo, or at least you would

796
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,119
be unwilling to admit, then fair enough, right, But if

797
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,960
you have this pretense to labels meaning something, you know,

798
00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:01,679
language being correlated to uh, you know, a knowable and

799
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,440
a knowable reality unbound by human consciousness, we find ourselves

800
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,280
in a very different position. Uh, I want to keep

801
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,280
going bird because we've got.

802
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,559
Speaker 4: This is so unusual. Man, The stuff that you are

803
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:22,239
showing me is contrary to what I understand about philosophy. Like,

804
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,320
I don't the I am so confused by an atheist

805
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:33,199
who is essentially like a human common sense realist, right, Like,

806
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,760
that's ultimately the metaphysical position that I think is being

807
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,320
advocated for. Hume's whole thing was let's ditch aquine us

808
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,760
because we can just use ordinary experience and sentiment to

809
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,599
establish how reality works for us, moral reality works for us.

810
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:58,800
Yet we are seeing a functionally Aristotelian Tomas critique of

811
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,559
modern reality. It's borrowing from the Thomas diagnosis, but it's offering,

812
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:08,440
as you said, this kind of Scottish Enlightenment prescription, which

813
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,840
is that we just need common sense and science. So

814
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,599
it's speaking out of both sides of the mouth. On

815
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,840
the one hand, it's saying God is the basis of reality,

816
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,280
and on the other hand, it's saying, but we don't

817
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,400
want God to be too involved in our present day

818
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,440
real circumstances. That's what's so weird about it is for

819
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,920
a person to say God is the basis of reality,

820
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,679
then to also say, well, we don't want to get

821
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,719
too distributists about stuff. It's like, wait, hold on, what

822
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,360
do we actually believe is reality here? Because that is

823
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,239
a bird?

824
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is just a placeholder. It's kind of

825
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,599
just generic liberal cringe. The next one bird legitimately the

826
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,840
most baffling image I have ever or scene. It is a

827
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,599
sort of bizarre image. Macro ok going on here, Well,

828
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,639
we'll scroll down through the top for the new Christian intellectual.

829
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,039
I didn't notice that. I'm going to go search that

830
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,519
because one of the things that really sister her about

831
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:19,559
this is, uh, this.

832
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:23,039
Speaker 4: Is fucking Straussian. That's all this is. This is Strauss,

833
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,519
This is recapturing the Christian right, that's all this is. Yes,

834
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,559
so for the service of the katari is it's the

835
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,360
second half of the sentence because James Lindsay probably has

836
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,960
something on his computer that makes him beholden to a

837
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,639
group of people who are really good at finding the

838
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,440
bad things on your computer. Is that what we're seeing

839
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,079
is that all this is this is just neo Straussian

840
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,800
run by a guy who's got some skeletons in his closet.

841
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,239
I mean, is that all this is really like? Is

842
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,719
this just a very advanced rhetoric to to to this

843
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,800
is weird? Man. Also, the symbol on the bottom, are

844
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,599
you seeing underneath the arrow? What's going on there?

845
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,639
Speaker 5: Which? But if you've gone through the same Pizzagate deep

846
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:10,760
dive I had, many others have is going on in

847
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,400
the past couple of weeks, that'll see familiar. Okay, So,

848
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,760
to be fully fair, this isn't from Lindsay. This is

849
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,440
from I think a classical liberal on X great follow

850
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:20,400
highly recommend it.

851
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: Okay, So and he made this, he made this in

852
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:32,440
a Lindsayan mode or okay, okay this you say, he's great,

853
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:36,880
one hundred percent, he's hilarious. Uh Okay.

854
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,039
Speaker 5: We have again a political spectrum. Right. We have on

855
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,280
the mutually exclusive principles statism capitalism. The right side is

856
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,800
defined by free markets, the left side socialism. What is

857
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,639
the farthest left on.

858
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,519
Speaker 4: The spectrum of ancient Egypt.

859
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 5: Yep, and then it is communism, fascism. The twenty ninety

860
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,519
US mixed economy, which I find out that I find

861
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:03,599
it kind of funny that the twenty nineteen US mixed

862
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,000
economy is roughly equidistant from ancient Egypt and the original

863
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,360
American Constitution. Just fundamentally I find that funny. So again,

864
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,679
it's sort of a political spectrum. I don't know what

865
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,480
this spiral symbol means, but you see it quite often,

866
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,960
so I guess maybe it's supposed to be the spell

867
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:26,199
of dialectics.

868
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: Check check, we're back in a.

869
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:35,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're back where effectively a wizard named Dialectic uses

870
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,400
magic to frog march you to the left? I think, wow,

871
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,199
I'm not really entirely sure. Otherwise, here on the bottom,

872
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,880
after the wizard drawing, we have quite possibly the most

873
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,880
confusing in it yet.

874
00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: Why is with all of the spirals? What is going on?

875
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,119
Speaker 5: I think that that means dialectics.

876
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,159
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's there was a lot of dialectics being

877
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:11,519
spoken of in those emails. I guess yes.

878
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 5: Uh so, what we have here is a guy in

879
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,920
a boat labeled personal liberty. You have is this character

880
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,199
called siren Head? Why is he there?

881
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 4: That's siren Head? That's correct, that's a creampypasta?

882
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, why who knows? And we have a beautiful mermaid

883
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,559
labeled both leftism and Christian nationalism. And this is is

884
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:42,199
labeled the exoteric and a curlocue arrow going down through

885
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:47,039
communism to a bunch of angry fish people labeled fascism

886
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,559
and the esoterists.

887
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: It's dude, what I've realized is they are at the okay, yes, okay.

888
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,480
What I've realized is the people objecting to nominalism or

889
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:07,400
having a very difficult ability of parsing language and image

890
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,639
because they put words in places in the image that

891
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:17,920
have no meaning. Yes, the every meme is the same meme,

892
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:26,920
which is saying anything other than pure capitalism is ultimately nominalism,

893
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:33,320
which is ultimately totalitarian Egyptian gnosticism. So it doesn't matter

894
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,559
where any of the words are located. That's it doesn't matter.

895
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,320
This is almost a mystery Babylon, dude. This is always

896
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,840
like monomithic mystery Babylon stuff. This is like how they think,

897
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:54,800
oh my god, we have another individualism. There's the word. Okay.

898
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,920
I was waiting for when that word would come up,

899
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:01,280
because they call themselves rational in divalists, I think is

900
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,280
one of the things you'll you'll hear a lot from

901
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:06,960
the Lindsay crowd is the atomic individual type of people.

902
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:11,719
Speaker 5: And the idea is yet again that that fascism is

903
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,559
functionally identical to communism, are squeezing out this sort of individualism.

904
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,079
But we're coming up on time, so I'll go through

905
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,519
and select some of the bat Oh yeah, by.

906
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: The way, is objectivism. Oh these are all objectivists. That's

907
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:32,119
what this is. This is just objectivism. Okay, now I

908
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:33,639
know what I'm dealing with, and I know why it's

909
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:39,599
so philosophically hard headed. They were seeing new objectivism.

910
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 5: So this is where we get to the Antifa stuff.

911
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:48,440
So this woman cj the palmer Worm, She's great. I

912
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,400
follow her on subjecon on YouTube. She does, like Ai Shorts,

913
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,480
kind of going over this material. But I will I

914
00:59:56,519 --> 00:59:58,719
will let you Oh shoot, I'll let you read this one.

915
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,760
Michael O'Fallon very minister individual connected to some very suspicious people.

916
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,000
He is ontn't happy. So that is all alleged. Do

917
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,960
your own research. But again you see the connection of

918
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:13,920
the Theosophism at the Catholic church. Yeah, but I'll have

919
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,480
you as a struggle to use photoshop. I'll have you

920
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:19,119
read this one bird.

921
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,599
Speaker 4: Okay. Are Catholics aware that Saint Michael has been a

922
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,679
major part of theosophist doctrine for transitioning society into the

923
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:33,320
age of Aquarius Blovotsky, Steiner, et cetera. Catholics, do you

924
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,480
have any discernment left? Can you not see when aspects

925
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,400
of your own doctrine are co opted to Luciferian ends?

926
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:48,159
Where is that theological line delineating between Catholicism and Luciferianism.

927
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,679
Your faith is being sublated into dialectical pantheism in parentheses,

928
01:00:55,079 --> 01:01:00,440
evolving perennialism by your own pope's admission and approval. Not

929
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:04,400
enough of you are discerning the wolves operation within your

930
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:09,800
ranks for far too long. I mean, who has been

931
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,920
complaining about Frankist infiltration into her religion forever? I mean,

932
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,079
was it anyone other than Catholics? I don't know, was

933
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:17,840
it anyone else?

934
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,079
Speaker 5: I mean, there's actually a particular Catholic and my favorite

935
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woman of color and mad.

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Speaker 4: Mobs mine too, right, Well, she was. She's making quite

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a larger point than the one that I was just making.

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For what it's worth, my point was just a group

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infiltrated in another group. Hers was that group has infiltrated

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everything in society and nobody else has. By the way,

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that was.

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Speaker 5: Ruiting her dreams by the way.

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Speaker 4: I know, oh my god, don't even get me started

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on her dreams. Look that post that you showed me

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is there's there's a lot in that post, and we

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don't have the time to go into it. My one

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thought about the posts is simply we have been complaining

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about this. That's all that I'll say. It has not

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gone unnoticed.

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Speaker 5: Well, and it's especially weird because many of those people

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who would have made that complaint did it in a

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way that would not be uh, would not be acceptable

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to O fallen and COO right of course, Yeah, which

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I find just incredibly amusing. So we jeez, we got

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so many of these. Oh I accidentally did this one twice,

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So one more.

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm sure honestly burden. I'm sure anybody listening to

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this is so bamboozled as we are, is so bamboozled

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they're probably begging for this episode to be over.

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Speaker 5: Good. I want Tom to beg I have developed a

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disdained for my audience, So this is why I keep

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doing it. Yeah, this is why I thought this one

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was funny. So this is the new term. Twelve two tribes,

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one mindset, tribal woke right, tribal woke left. All the

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points are basically the same, but the word twok I

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think is particularly amusing and also again not particularly understanding.

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Speaker 4: Uh I don't know. This is really weird to me.

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Is equity safe spaces? Language codes is contrasted with purity, loyalty, conformity. Okay,

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where did loyalty comments say?

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Speaker 5: Those just sound like virtues at least two or three.

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Speaker 4: Purity obviously, purity depends on how that word is being used,

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and conformity, I guess similarly, how is that word being used.

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But loyalty is a sort of rhetorically strong word, like

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almost everybody thinks loyalty is a good thing. It's just

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it's so weird. A lot of this is yeah, perplex

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language games. A lot of this is like, uh, I

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wish I had the right word for it. But there's

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a thing that objectivists love to do. This when you

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argue with objectivists, but largely anybody who's trying to bamboozle you, Oh,

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dish gallop. There's a lot of dish galloping that kind

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of goes on in these memes. As you said, in

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another way, a word salad or mucho texto, they kind

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of just load a lot of words in when it's

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not necessary. It's not really what they mean, and you're

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kind of scratching your head and going, well, what do

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you believe because you've just said loyalty is a bad thing?

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Like what does that mean? It's just so unusual to

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me more or less weird? Oh my god, Okay, I'm sorry.

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Thing staring at this thing.

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Speaker 5: Because they seem to believe that the trip, the tribe

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that is a hard word to say, the twoke right,

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if you will, has apparently controls the engine of state

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cultural enforcement.

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Speaker 4: I think by that they must mean like you two

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Tube and podcasts, which we kind of do dominate. But

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I don't know what they mean by state. But they

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I don't know what they mean by state. I don't think.

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See again, when libertarians use the word state, what they

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really mean is coercion. So they kind of they kind

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of lump two words together that otherwise have nuanced meanings,

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even if in function they do the same thing. So

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state cultural enforcement might just mean the ability to set

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what is appropriate in government by cultural enforcement? Is that

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what that means? I don't know. Man, Again, this is

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like an info hazard. Do you think too hard? About

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it and you start to think harder than the person

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who made it, and that's just a trap.

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Speaker 5: The bird. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 4: Man nowhere, don't don't find me?

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Speaker 5: What what what?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 6: What's not but

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Speaker 5: Mgariagary Program