Speaker 1: Like I said, I was out here, I was pretty depressed.
Speaker 1: You know, my dad, we got the same name, you know, everything,
Speaker 1: we got the same birthday, everything, And I just lost
Speaker 1: him a year ago. We fished every lake and tournament
Speaker 1: in this state, you know. And I was just looking
Speaker 1: at the river, thinking about how many times that me
Speaker 1: and him had fish down there, and and and then
Speaker 1: then I hearing this great, big roar. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: a long one. It was a quick one. It's like
Speaker 1: five seconds. But it started out sounding like a like
Speaker 1: a big bull, and into the roar and then it
Speaker 1: just quit. And like I say, and it felt like
Speaker 1: it was five ten minutes. Then south of us, about
Speaker 1: a mile, you could hear the four knocks. It's kind
Speaker 1: of weird, you know, to me, you know, all the
Speaker 1: crap that I've been going through, and I was at
Speaker 1: a spot where, you know, I just didn't really care,
Speaker 1: you know, if I took another step or not, and
Speaker 1: and and and it really put a spark back in me.
Speaker 1: I would have never guessed in a million years that
Speaker 1: something like that would have been here. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and that is not really scaring me. I think it
Speaker 1: put us. I think it put a spark in to
Speaker 1: learn more.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of this stuff was kind of
Speaker 2: hindsight for you guys, if you can go through the timeline,
Speaker 2: you know, how did this all start? When did you
Speaker 2: first start noticing things? What you noticed and all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing I really noticed was in November,
Speaker 1: the last day at deer season, and we were listening
Speaker 1: for the last rifle shots of the night, and uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm just standing up at the house and way
Speaker 1: down in the canyon I heard one scream and it
Speaker 1: was started off. My first thought was a really big man,
Speaker 1: and then it went intoto, this just Jurassic sound, just
Speaker 1: a big, hard roar, like like he was so mad.
Speaker 1: But and he was facing south, I could tell, and
Speaker 1: as at and I'm straight west of him, and he
Speaker 1: did that whole roar until he went past me, a
Speaker 1: little ways across me, and I could feel it in
Speaker 1: my chest my stomach and my head and and and
Speaker 1: I and I figured he had to be at least
Speaker 1: s three quarters of a mile away, and I could
Speaker 1: not believe I could feel all that. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen bigfoot shows and stuff on just
Speaker 1: regular TV and didn't really think nothing about it, and
Speaker 1: I was getting ready go on Dillis and so I
Speaker 1: kind of put that in the back of my head.
Speaker 1: And that happened in two thousand, remember, yeah, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and right in that area that November.
Speaker 2: Any idea how long and duration the roar was? Like,
Speaker 2: how many seconds?
Speaker 1: It was forever? It felt like twenty seconds. Wow. My
Speaker 1: validation for this was two weeks later. I'm taking my
Speaker 1: granddaughter into town for softball and then when I'm coming home,
Speaker 1: I'm turning in on our road and in a Bigfoot
Speaker 1: research vehicle was coming out of our road. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's another guy that owns land just passed us.
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming him or somebody else heard it, you know,
Speaker 1: and called it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: A small white car. It had to be putting stickers
Speaker 1: all over it, and and I was like, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. That's weird. Yeah, I thought, that's
Speaker 1: pretty weird. Then then everything goes on. I was sick
Speaker 1: for quite a while there, four or five years. I
Speaker 1: didn't get out. And then when I finally started getting
Speaker 1: back out, we had went down to the river to
Speaker 1: see if any sand baths were moving, and it was
Speaker 1: of the Edens and me and my grandson, which was
Speaker 1: eight years old, and my and my son and we
Speaker 1: had about fifty seventy five feet behind us a wood knock,
Speaker 1: and I mean it was I'm saying it was at
Speaker 1: least that close. It could have been further away, but man,
Speaker 1: it sounded like it was right on top of us.
Speaker 1: You know when it when it happened down there in
Speaker 1: that canyon.
Speaker 2: Hop pretty loud.
Speaker 1: Oh it was. Yeah, it was pretty loud. And my
Speaker 1: son looked at me and I was looking up at him.
Speaker 1: He said, big foot. I said, chaund like it. He said, well,
Speaker 1: I think we'd better go, And so we packed up
Speaker 1: and came back up to the house. Then later, you know,
Speaker 1: we still didn't know what quite was going on out
Speaker 1: here because it was getting busy and the guy hops
Speaker 1: for getting crazy. I was out chainsaw on and I
Speaker 1: had noo of them come up behind me and uh,
Speaker 1: and we're growling at me while I was running the chainsaw,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't hear them, And when I killed that chainsaw,
Speaker 1: I could hear them. Well, then here comes my dogs
Speaker 1: jumping on him and running them off. Well, I thought,
Speaker 1: I told Karen. I said, well, we need to get
Speaker 1: it in for red camera, and so she agreed, and
Speaker 1: uh so we got one and we strick got it
Speaker 1: for the coyotes. And I'm using it and I'm looking
Speaker 1: and about the only time we've ever seen anything with
Speaker 1: it during bad weather, and we see a few things.
Speaker 1: We see some orbs and stuff like that with it,
Speaker 1: and we thought, man, now it's killer. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: And so it was Christmas night. I had the whole
Speaker 1: family out here. We had seven grandkids out here, both
Speaker 1: of my kids and their spouses, and we're all playing
Speaker 1: with puzzles and doing puzzles. And I had that infrared
Speaker 1: camera already set up on a tripod on the back porch.
Speaker 1: It was in sleep mode. All I had to do
Speaker 1: was hit it and it come on. And so they
Speaker 1: were doing their thing, and I'm not into puzzles, So
Speaker 1: when they got settled into the puzzles, I just come
Speaker 1: on back porch and sit down in a chair in
Speaker 1: front of it, and then I just turned it on.
Speaker 1: When I turned it on, I was looking through it
Speaker 1: and about oh one hundred and thirty yards to the
Speaker 1: back end of my pasture, right behind my house, there's
Speaker 1: a tree line there. He was a little further south
Speaker 1: on the tree line was one eye. Now I thought
Speaker 1: an owl, you know, had to be an owl. But
Speaker 1: this storm, this front was coming in. There was like
Speaker 1: seventy miles an hour wind coming out of the north,
Speaker 1: and but I skinned past it because I'm looking for
Speaker 1: kyots on the ground. And when I come back to it, well,
Speaker 1: there's two. There's two there. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. There's two owls in that treeway down there,
Speaker 1: and there, you know, and they're not moving in this
Speaker 1: seventy mile an hour wind.
Speaker 2: Still in the same spot.
Speaker 1: Still in the exact same spot. And then it started
Speaker 1: turning back to its left. And when he was turning left,
Speaker 1: I watched his left eye just disappear and just to
Speaker 1: see his right eye, and it still looked bright, shiny.
Speaker 1: I never looked at it over the infrared camera because
Speaker 1: that infrared, because I played with it enough. If you
Speaker 1: look over it, you're not gonna see nothing because it's
Speaker 1: so bright right in your face. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're just blind if you look over it. And so
Speaker 1: I'm staying on it and I'm trying to look see
Speaker 1: where Karen is to get her attention and it's going
Speaker 1: it's going north. Then it steps down about it looked
Speaker 1: like a foot and back up and I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just as smooth as silk. It went down and
Speaker 1: then back up and it got to this big hickory
Speaker 1: tree at the end there and uh and then that
Speaker 1: eye just slowly turned away from me and disappeared. And
Speaker 1: this time, I'm I'm zooming in with this camera. I
Speaker 1: got it zoomed into ten and I can see his
Speaker 1: elbows all the way to the top of his head,
Speaker 1: his shoulders as he turned, and he took maybe one
Speaker 1: and a half steps, and I mean, and he was
Speaker 1: down in the canyon after that. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just smooth as can be. And
Speaker 1: so and what was crazy? That was Christmas night and
Speaker 1: I hadn't told my son about this. I didn't tell him,
Speaker 1: you know, because he wasn't totally you know, on the
Speaker 1: fence with it, right, And so I didn't tell him.
Speaker 1: And so the next morning, you know, because they were
Speaker 1: staying in his hunting cabin just south of us, and
Speaker 1: they come up here to eat breakfast, and we sat
Speaker 1: up here and we're drinking coffee and looking at the
Speaker 1: pond and looking out over the canyon and we're just
Speaker 1: eating and drinking and I'm looking at him, and he
Speaker 1: freezes up and he's looking exactly where I seen those
Speaker 1: eyes the very first time. And he's zoned in and
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying nothing to him, and I'm just
Speaker 1: I quit talking and I'm just kind of looking at him.
Speaker 1: And then he stands up and walks by behind me,
Speaker 1: and he said something staring at me, and then it
Speaker 1: went about and he pointed out the exact spot where
Speaker 1: that hickory tree where it went off and down into
Speaker 1: the canyon. He said something something to look at me.
Speaker 1: I could feel it, he said. It's I mean, he
Speaker 1: was freaking out, and you know, and he was in
Speaker 1: the military for eight years and he was a combat
Speaker 1: medic and I mean he's got purple hearts like crazy,
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean he he honed he honed right
Speaker 1: in on that. And he's just not scared of anything.
Speaker 1: You know. Now he's on board because of the footprint,
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean, and I'm still trying to chill
Speaker 1: him out because he's not scared of nothing.
Speaker 2: Have you gone to that spot and looked back towards
Speaker 2: your house from it?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, you can see our big screen TV. You,
Speaker 1: I can watch it from there from where he was
Speaker 1: first standing. Yeah, from where he was worth standing at
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty yards. I can tell you who's
Speaker 1: on TV and who's not, you know, the actors, And
Speaker 1: that's exactly where he was. He was watching our party.
Speaker 2: Any idea how tall it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was like today's Four days later,
Speaker 1: my wife care She went got a broomstick and take
Speaker 1: take measure to it. And I set up the exactly
Speaker 1: where I was, and I knew exactly how tall he
Speaker 1: was because I mean it was winter time, but some
Speaker 1: of those smaller black jack trees won't lose all their leaves,
Speaker 1: and he had walked behind it and I could see
Speaker 1: his eyes just on the most level with the top
Speaker 1: of it. And so she went down there and she
Speaker 1: measured it to the eyes. Was nine foot. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was nine foot.
Speaker 3: And that it also explained the step down, because I said, well,
Speaker 3: there's a boulder and then there's a big gap, and
Speaker 3: then there's another boulder.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, everything was there for it for him stepping
Speaker 1: down and back up and dunking under a tree. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know, there was a whole lot more trees there
Speaker 1: at one time, or a tornado.
Speaker 2: But now, Karen, what did you think whenever he said
Speaker 2: he saw a bigfoot.
Speaker 3: At that point, we hadn't conversed a whole lot about
Speaker 3: all of our individual things that had gone on. But
Speaker 3: on Christmas Day, I was on the back porch with
Speaker 3: grandkids and the eight year old grandson was kind of
Speaker 3: sitting in my lap and we're just watching everybody play
Speaker 3: and he's kind of chilling with me, and we heard
Speaker 3: wood knocks on the opposite side of our pond, and
Speaker 3: I mean, he.
Speaker 1: Looks at me.
Speaker 3: I look at him and he's like, Trama, did you
Speaker 3: hear that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep.
Speaker 3: I was like, yep, yep, I did. And he goes,
Speaker 3: I think that's a bigfoot. And I was like, because
Speaker 3: he's all into bigfoot, and I was like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: because you live out in the country, you hear stuff
Speaker 3: all the time. That's a very distinct somebody took a
Speaker 3: piece of wood and wopped the tree.
Speaker 1: That's not something.
Speaker 3: Breaking, it's not a rock falling. I mean, it's a
Speaker 3: very distinct, sharp noise. But like I said, I didn't
Speaker 3: even tell I didn't.
Speaker 1: Tell my husband.
Speaker 3: It was just between me and the grandson like, yep, yep,
Speaker 3: I heard that. Boy, yes I did, And then he
Speaker 3: had his thing that happened that night, and then after everybody.
Speaker 1: Left, he's like, I got to talk to you, and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, okay, So that's actually the night I think
Speaker 3: that we really started opening up about all the individual
Speaker 3: things that had happened up over probably the last six
Speaker 3: months prior to this, you know, start kind of in
Speaker 3: the summer up to Christmas time.
Speaker 1: That's when we started talking, and a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff happened to her and me different but was exactly
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we just kind of became I think
Speaker 3: we just got more aware of things that were going
Speaker 3: on around our house that we just kind of were
Speaker 3: oblivious to before kind of just made an excuse like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's probably just.
Speaker 1: This or you know, you just but we have been
Speaker 1: hearing the screams. I mean, we knew deep down it
Speaker 1: was out here because we've heard lots of screams. We've
Speaker 1: heard the ohio HOI that big roar. The first time
Speaker 1: I heard it, we heard it either, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it was two of them, scream like a woman
Speaker 1: being murdered and a national joke, but it was and
Speaker 1: that had to be about three hundred yards away, and
Speaker 1: we've heard and it was so deep and so long,
Speaker 1: and it was a scream, and it felt and it
Speaker 1: felt feminine, you know like that at first one I heard,
Speaker 1: it was definitely a male. I mean when it started out,
Speaker 1: it sounded like a guy, humongous guy.
Speaker 3: But this you gave the analogy of you felt like
Speaker 3: somebody walked along and stubbed their toe and just did
Speaker 3: an angry scream out.
Speaker 1: Into the world. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then down down at the other end of the
Speaker 1: property and you know, we've heard the siren where it started,
Speaker 1: but it never but then it just shut off abruptly.
Speaker 1: It got so high and so loud, but it it
Speaker 1: was sharp, and I mean it resonated through the whole canyon.
Speaker 1: There's been a couple of nights that we've been out here.
Speaker 3: That it's hoodows, but it's not hoodolves, because they're not
Speaker 3: very good imitations of That was with.
Speaker 1: The two screams we had over here. Yeah, it screamed
Speaker 1: real loud, and I went to go find crant Caren
Speaker 1: and and when I was doing it, it screamed again.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it screamed again, and when when it
Speaker 1: got done, it sounded like there was fifty hoodos over
Speaker 1: there who and sounded like monkeys at the same time.
Speaker 1: And that went on that she heard that, she didn't
Speaker 1: hear the screams, she heard the aftermath party of it.
Speaker 1: And and we only think they had killed one of
Speaker 1: my neighbor's cows over there. But they're so tight lift
Speaker 1: they wouldn't talk to us. They wouldn't tell us nothing, right,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't they wouldn't say nothing.
Speaker 2: Do the vocalizations, and everything seemed to be coming from
Speaker 2: the same general area.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could see on the map how our
Speaker 1: house is set up, and everything seems west and south,
Speaker 1: and it all stems along the canyon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a canyon that runs along our lower
Speaker 3: property line in it is either a river or a creek.
Speaker 1: So they just kind of follow that, and I mean,
Speaker 1: they they stay on that. And I've only the only
Speaker 1: time I've heard them on top up here was when
Speaker 1: they did the two screens, and then when it was
Speaker 1: and then we had an incident in the front yard
Speaker 1: with it. But that's also not a couple of two
Speaker 1: or three times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems like when we have family over
Speaker 3: with kids and they're out here playing a lot of noise,
Speaker 3: that is almost a guarantee.
Speaker 1: That we're going to have something happen, something happened. If
Speaker 1: you set out here long enough, you'll hear something happened
Speaker 1: once with them. Kids have been out playing and screaming
Speaker 1: and raising heck, especially earlier this summer, after like in August,
Speaker 1: we were bottom four wheelers and they've been tearing up
Speaker 1: this back pasture. And I've heard, you know, I heard
Speaker 1: of quite a few knocks in September, and I heard
Speaker 1: a roar and three knocks in a row that same
Speaker 1: night in September of the nineteenth of this just last month.
Speaker 3: And we've had children's voices happened when there's no children here,
Speaker 3: which is kind of scary, disconcerting. I don't know exactly
Speaker 3: what herm it is creepy. I don't go looking for I.
Speaker 3: I rationed it out in my brain and I'm like,
Speaker 3: there's nobody up here, there are no kids out here
Speaker 3: playing in the yard. You just need to go inside
Speaker 3: and not deal with that.
Speaker 1: That's that's when we talked to each other, because she
Speaker 1: had two experiences like that, and we had I had
Speaker 1: two and we had one together, and we just couldn't
Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, we went and drove to
Speaker 1: check it out and whatever. I drove to check what
Speaker 1: I heard out, and there's just nobody there, and I
Speaker 1: can hear it plain as day, you know. Uh, it
Speaker 1: sounded like guys working, you know. Yeah. His was more
Speaker 1: adult voice, and yeah, hers was all kids. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It sounds like people talking to one another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean exactly just right behind my pondam
Speaker 1: And my ponddam is about thirty foot tall. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we can't see anything behind it, so they could be
Speaker 1: right there, you know, doing it. And that's where it
Speaker 1: sounded like it's from. I was out here cooking breakfast
Speaker 1: and and it was just quiet compete until all that,
Speaker 1: and it almost sounded like laughing and everything. I thought, Man,
Speaker 1: I wonder what they're doing back there, because we got
Speaker 1: an old well over there, you know. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody was working on the well. And I go
Speaker 1: through the other gate and then the well gate and
Speaker 1: none of them been opened, and there wasn't nobody in sight,
Speaker 1: nobody around here anywhere. And then then it happened two
Speaker 1: days later, I was cooking my lunch out here and
Speaker 1: I heard it south east of me, in front of
Speaker 1: the house, around you know, around the corner, back around
Speaker 1: the house, which was weird. And I thought, man, how
Speaker 1: am I hearing all this? And so I go get
Speaker 1: in the truck because there's a well down that way
Speaker 1: about about a mile and I went drove all the
Speaker 1: way down to it, and there's when there's just nobody
Speaker 1: up here. And I told Karen. I said, well, I
Speaker 1: think I'm going crazy. She said, what is that? And
Speaker 1: I said, well, man, I'm hearing voices. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: hearing them everywhere, and I'm driving looking and She's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, let me tell you. And then she
Speaker 1: told me her story, you know, of pulling up here
Speaker 1: and thinking our grand babies were out here playing. You know,
Speaker 1: she could hear them playing and then sound like they
Speaker 1: was going behind the chicken barn and then'd get quiet
Speaker 1: and then get golaud again and giggling. They were just
Speaker 1: giggling for her.
Speaker 2: It sounded like little kids giggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like little kids running around playing tag or something,
Speaker 3: trying to catch each other.
Speaker 1: And you could tell they was running behind the chicken
Speaker 1: bar and do, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because it you know, would get loud and soft, you know,
Speaker 3: when that something would go behind the barn. But I
Speaker 3: mean I'm looking, I'm looking as far as I can
Speaker 3: over there, and I never saw anything. But again, once
Speaker 3: I rationed it out in my brain, like there's nobody
Speaker 3: up here, I don't need to go look.
Speaker 1: There's just there's no kids here. Right.
Speaker 2: How far is that that location, the old chicken barn
Speaker 2: location from say the nearest tree line.
Speaker 3: One hundred feet maybe eighty feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all it was. They had to have
Speaker 1: been in that tall grass in my in my pasture
Speaker 1: on it. Then we had a lot more trees in
Speaker 1: before the tornado and and but it was real, you know,
Speaker 1: it was chest high yellow grass through there and that
Speaker 1: I hadn't brush hogged. And she feels like they were
Speaker 1: in that tall grass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and evergreens, and they you could easily walk
Speaker 3: away from you and I'd never see you see them
Speaker 3: because of all the trees that we had at the time.
Speaker 2: It's just really interesting to me because this is at
Speaker 2: your house and that incident. You know, we talked about
Speaker 2: it a little bit yesterday on the phone. That was
Speaker 2: at like around five o'clock in the afternoon, yes, right,
Speaker 2: and they're comfortable enough that they're coming up on the
Speaker 2: property in broad daylight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, and they and they were behind that pond,
Speaker 1: damn at eight o'clock. And I've been pushed, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been I come out here every morning and cook
Speaker 1: you know, my breakfast, and then the second when it
Speaker 1: was at noon. Right.
Speaker 3: And you know, up until last year, our grandkids, my son,
Speaker 3: his wife and the grandkids lived on the property. They
Speaker 3: were in a different house, but they lived on the property.
Speaker 3: So they're up here making noise all the time, and
Speaker 3: we just think it was the kids. They don't they
Speaker 3: didn't let them play outside at their house so much
Speaker 3: because they're closer to the cliff, to the cliff and
Speaker 3: all that. But so they did all their playing up here.
Speaker 3: And then last year, last summer, they bought a house
Speaker 3: and they're not out on the They come visit all
Speaker 3: the time, but they don't live on the property.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were.
Speaker 3: I really think that they were intrigued with the kids
Speaker 3: because we had a you know, we had a what
Speaker 3: do you call it a treehouse out here with you know,
Speaker 3: things they could climb and play on.
Speaker 1: So they were just noisy kids.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you got five kids under eight years old,
Speaker 3: they're just noisy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so then before the end of the year and
Speaker 1: it's cold, it's it's almost the first of the year
Speaker 1: at the tank batteries, which are about I don't know
Speaker 1: how far you think that is. It's probably four hundred yards,
Speaker 1: and we could hear beeping, like electronic beep, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking a couple of different three nights. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was three nights in a row. So I go get
Speaker 1: caring and come listen to this, and it would it
Speaker 1: would be a beep beep, almost like a backup or
Speaker 1: a fire or you know, your smoke alarm detector or
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like a real high pitched chirp sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a chirp. Was a high
Speaker 1: pitched chirp. But it's just a tad longer than a chirp.
Speaker 3: Right, And uh so I'm good dealing night birds.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, we're trying to figure out what kind of
Speaker 1: because what happened was the next night it moved from
Speaker 1: the tank battery down into our canyon and on on
Speaker 1: on down and around and we could hear it and
Speaker 1: we we was preserved that it was a bird right
Speaker 1: of some kind. I don't know. It's the first time
Speaker 1: we ever heard it. But then on New Year's night,
Speaker 1: we had a party here and with all my kids
Speaker 1: and everything, and well they had they left that night anyway,
Speaker 1: real late, and we're in the front yard, tell them goodnight,
Speaker 1: down them good night, and we're on a ridge. If
Speaker 1: you go fifty yards one way, you're heading downhill. If
Speaker 1: you go fifty yards the other way, you're heading downhill.
Speaker 1: And by the driveway it drops off pretty good right there. Well,
Speaker 1: we hear that same beep while we're telling our kids goodbye,
Speaker 1: and we're looking at each other and like trying to
Speaker 1: get them, get them out of here. Okay, love you guys,
Speaker 1: get out go, you know. And the dog I got
Speaker 1: a pair in thees Lab mix and she's one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds and she's bad, just bone and she
Speaker 1: stayed right with us. It was beeping right across the driveway.
Speaker 1: And if if I had to say, I would say
Speaker 1: it wasn't more than thirty feet away from us. It
Speaker 1: was just in the tree line. It was just in
Speaker 1: the tree line. And men, it took off running down
Speaker 1: hill at about a thirty degree grade is down to
Speaker 1: where my brother is. And uh, and you could hear
Speaker 1: every bipedal step in that in the in the leafs,
Speaker 1: you know. But he wasn't wrecking the trees or nothing.
Speaker 1: It was. He was just we can hear his steps.
Speaker 1: And he's when he kept beeping all the way down there.
Speaker 2: Now, how many dogs do you guys got?
Speaker 1: We got, well, right now, we got four, four but
Speaker 1: two were old. Two were old. They're just porch potatoes.
Speaker 2: And uh, me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got she We got a young one,
Speaker 1: a male massive and uh he's part Anatolian shepherd and
Speaker 1: we raised him in the house and he's sharp as
Speaker 1: attack and he's smart, and we got him for first
Speaker 1: alert in the house. And I was sitting on the
Speaker 1: couch in there one night and he come in there
Speaker 1: and he's barking through the wall toward the front door.
Speaker 1: I mean mean, he's mad and I and I couldn't
Speaker 1: figure it out. I never heard nothing. And then and
Speaker 1: it took him a while to calm down, and I
Speaker 1: was telling Caring about it. I said, that's crazy. I said,
Speaker 1: he was looking. I got a bash on the wall
Speaker 1: there and all that on that front wall, and it's
Speaker 1: like he was looking straight at it. Well, what two
Speaker 1: nights later, we were sitting in there, and when she
Speaker 1: was in there, he started barking out our window where
Speaker 1: the air conditioner is, you know, just like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: just going crazy. And uh and and you know, right
Speaker 1: in that area is where Karen had her incident with it. Right,
Speaker 1: and then after the first of the year, after after
Speaker 1: that happened, after the first of the year.
Speaker 3: You're talking Christmas of the twenty four Now we're into
Speaker 3: January of twenty five.
Speaker 1: And then uh, we just we're going to take a
Speaker 1: trip and we're going to Minnesota, the guys, all the guys,
Speaker 1: and and we had had a tornado that tore our barn,
Speaker 1: our chicken barn out. Well that very night, you know,
Speaker 1: it snowing, had snow out. And that very night I
Speaker 1: had four of my grandkids, those three of them, three
Speaker 1: I had the old or three uh, helping me carry
Speaker 1: these chickens from one barn to the next, which is
Speaker 1: about one hundred yards. And we're going in the front
Speaker 1: of the house, in the front of the house for
Speaker 1: a couple of trips. They're going to carry one at
Speaker 1: a time, and uh, we decided to go around the back.
Speaker 1: And we was going around my back and the eight
Speaker 1: year old said, hey, Grandpa, look it's there's a big
Speaker 1: foot track. And I was like, well, cut up and
Speaker 1: get that chicken. Come on, you know, I said, there,
Speaker 1: And then I got to look. You know, he's he
Speaker 1: was swearing. So I went back started looking. Well, we
Speaker 1: found three and uh, the the two other ones were
Speaker 1: partial from about the middle of the foot to the hill.
Speaker 1: And and and I think that's because they it didn't
Speaker 1: show in the snow because it's so rocky up here,
Speaker 1: you know, where that rock is close to the surface,
Speaker 1: the snow melts quick. Yeah, And so I couldn't get
Speaker 1: a good picture of them because I didn't do it
Speaker 1: till the next day because Karen wasn't gonna let me
Speaker 1: go back outside to its light. And so it was
Speaker 1: about eleven thirty the next day. We were still packing,
Speaker 1: going on our trip, and I and when my best
Speaker 1: friend got here, we had tooken the picture, you know,
Speaker 1: in the snow, the one we sent you, the one
Speaker 1: we sent you, and Boss dread and leaving and I
Speaker 1: didn't have no time to go look anywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: I could tell the direction it was coming from and
Speaker 1: where it was headed.
Speaker 3: And this was within twenty thirty feet of my bedroom window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the steps were so when and then she don't
Speaker 1: tell us nothing when we're in Minnesota, and when we
Speaker 1: got back, then you tell your story. Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: they leave.
Speaker 3: Everything's fine. First night here, I'm fine. I don't have
Speaker 3: any anything going on. And the second night there was
Speaker 3: just something going on outside. Just the dogs were not happy.
Speaker 3: They were agitated. They were you know, even my old
Speaker 3: potato ports potato dogs, they're just they're agitated, and they're whining,
Speaker 3: like what in the world is going on? And then
Speaker 3: something smacked the house. And I know what a house
Speaker 3: shifting sounds like and feels like.
Speaker 1: This was not that.
Speaker 3: This was something that smacked it and made the walls,
Speaker 3: you know, reverberate or whatever words you want to use.
Speaker 3: So that happened like the second night, and I'm just.
Speaker 1: Do what I thought you said in the morning too.
Speaker 3: Now, in the mornings, when I would go out from
Speaker 3: my front door to the car, just something didn't feel right.
Speaker 3: You just kind of had that inkling that something's looking at.
Speaker 2: You or or you know, I don't know, it's still
Speaker 2: dark out. I would imagine a lot of mornings.
Speaker 3: When you're leaving every morning. It doesn't matter what time
Speaker 3: of year I leave, It's dark when I leave. So
Speaker 3: then the second morning that I headed out the door,
Speaker 3: so they'd been gone a day, I had already got
Speaker 3: gone to work one day. The second morning that I
Speaker 3: go to work, I'm going out the front door and
Speaker 3: it's dead quiet outside. We have, you know, crickets, everything's
Speaker 3: going on up here. So I mean, it's just very
Speaker 3: eerily quiet. And I'm like, okay, I just need to
Speaker 3: get from this ten feet from my front door to
Speaker 3: the car. It'll be fine. And across the driveway, something
Speaker 3: starts shaking this big evergreen tree. No noise is just
Speaker 3: the evergreen tree is shaking and scared to be jeeps
Speaker 3: out of me. But I'm like, whatever, I'm going to work.
Speaker 3: I don't have time for this. I jump in the
Speaker 3: car and I leave. And then I get home that night,
Speaker 3: more wall slaps have happened, and I'm sitting in my chair,
Speaker 3: and I mean, I've got I'm antsy, i am on edge.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got to have my wits about me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be paying attention. I turned the TV off,
Speaker 3: I said, I'm just gonna sit here and read a book.
Speaker 3: I got to be able to hear what's going on
Speaker 3: when these dogs lose their mind. Well, then I hear
Speaker 3: my outside dogs and mind you, my porch potatoes.
Speaker 1: They are cowards. But the other dog she is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen her fight two and three coyotes
Speaker 3: at a time. She is aggressive if she's not scared
Speaker 3: of anything. And I hear her whining on my front porch,
Speaker 3: and then I hear her breaking through the skirting underneath
Speaker 3: my house to get underneath the house. And she's like crying,
Speaker 3: getting away from something. And you know, we're in a
Speaker 3: modular home, so we sit about three or four feet
Speaker 3: off the ground. And I'm sitting in my refiner, so
Speaker 3: of course my floor is three to four feet.
Speaker 1: Off the ground. I don't know how tall.
Speaker 3: And something starts growling at my porch, and I can
Speaker 3: tell from where it's growling that it is seven eight
Speaker 3: feet tall at least wherever the mouth is of this thing.
Speaker 3: It's not down low where my dogs are.
Speaker 1: It's high.
Speaker 3: And the only I have listened to every growl that
Speaker 3: you can think of that's possible out there, and it's
Speaker 3: somewhere conglomerated between a crocodile growl and a gorilla growl
Speaker 3: kind of merged together. That's the best I can come
Speaker 3: up with.
Speaker 2: And loud enough that you can hear it inside the.
Speaker 3: House, loud enough that I can hear it inside the house.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 3: And I've tried to explain that it's a grown like.
Speaker 3: I don't think the mouth was open. I feel like
Speaker 3: it was growling through teeth, you know. Not a not
Speaker 3: a roar, not nothing like that, just a growl. And
Speaker 3: I'm flipping every light that I have on outside at
Speaker 3: this point, and I never saw anything, because I'm sure
Speaker 3: I made lots of noise trying to get to all
Speaker 3: the doors to turn all the outside likes on. I'm
Speaker 3: sure I was not quiet, and it was scary and
Speaker 3: it had to be something that scared my dogs, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because then I had to go outside the next day
Speaker 3: after it got daylight to go fix the skirty But
Speaker 3: it was just something every single night while they were gone.
Speaker 3: It was scared me enough that I went and bought
Speaker 3: my own shotgun wow, and had it here at.
Speaker 1: The house by the time they got back. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: went and bought her an ar style of shotgun. Had
Speaker 1: two five round clips with double hot and and I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: Just things don't normally bother me. I was pretty terrified
Speaker 3: for a few days, but I didn't tell them anything
Speaker 3: because I didn't want to mess up their trip.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I figured, worst case scenario, I'll just pack up and
Speaker 3: go stay at my daughter's house or something if it
Speaker 3: got too bad. But that the growl was the worst night.
Speaker 3: And like I said, I turned every light that we
Speaker 3: had on outside and it. The only thing that happened
Speaker 3: after that was like wall slaps and stuff. I do
Speaker 3: have a window air conditioning unit in my bedroom and
Speaker 3: something hit it one night. And then I heard and
Speaker 3: I want to say talking, but it was nothing that
Speaker 3: I understood. I told my husband, I said, I feel
Speaker 3: like it was an accident. I feel like they ran
Speaker 3: into it with their head or hit their shoulder and
Speaker 3: they were grumbling because it hurt. And then another voice
Speaker 3: was maybe making fun of it or grumbling with it
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I can't explain what I heard.
Speaker 3: It was just two, for sure, it was two, and
Speaker 3: it was it was chattering.
Speaker 2: Talking how high up is the air conditioner?
Speaker 3: If I was standing outside and I'm five foot four,
Speaker 3: and if I was standing outside, the top of it
Speaker 3: would be taller than me. Yeah, and the bottom of
Speaker 3: it maybe about chin.
Speaker 1: High to me. Maybe it's not a big unit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a big unit. It's a small unit outside.
Speaker 1: And then it come around in the front of the
Speaker 1: house one night, slapped the house where her head where
Speaker 1: she sleeps, yep, right where her head is. And then
Speaker 1: she's telling me about all this. And then I'm standing
Speaker 1: in the window in the kitchen, which is about the
Speaker 1: middle of the house, and she's taking a shower, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's dark thirty, you know, it just got dark,
Speaker 1: and and I'm there and messing around and sink and
Speaker 1: and the whole house shook, and I mean it felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, ups back then, he never he'd never experienced
Speaker 1: the house slaps. Now, I haven't heard none of them.
Speaker 1: And and then at that time she was it slapped
Speaker 1: at her when she was in the shower, she was
Speaker 1: taking a shower, and she come running out there and
Speaker 1: slapping the shower wall with me in it, you know,
Speaker 1: and a bunch more ash, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's when he finally said, that's what that's that's
Speaker 3: what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, it makes the whole house.
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, like a one time truck
Speaker 1: backed into it.
Speaker 2: Do you ever hear anything messing with like the doorknobs
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, no, never have no.
Speaker 3: So to backtrack a little bit, we have chickens and this.
Speaker 1: Is before the tornado.
Speaker 3: So all the chickens were in the original chicken barn,
Speaker 3: and it's it was a free range. They had the
Speaker 3: ability to go in and out anytime they wanted to.
Speaker 1: Is a big door. You know, a horse could have
Speaker 1: walked in there.
Speaker 3: And we were getting easily a dozen eggs a day,
Speaker 3: sometimes almost two dozen a day.
Speaker 1: And we went how many months, probably four or five four.
Speaker 3: Months maybe not getting a single egg, one none.
Speaker 2: Just getting cleaned out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I knew it was going in barn because
Speaker 1: I had these tubs that i'd pour my scratch grain
Speaker 1: feed in, and you know those two pound scoops that
Speaker 1: you get, you know to throw out horse feed, Well,
Speaker 1: i'd give I'd give them things a two you know,
Speaker 1: a two pound scoop, you know, every morning, while I
Speaker 1: reached in there to grab that thing, and I always
Speaker 1: just stick it back down in it, and it was
Speaker 1: laying on top of the grain. And when I picked
Speaker 1: it up, it was like all the way around the
Speaker 1: rim of it, on top and bottom had grass green
Speaker 1: stuck to it like it used it as a spoon.
Speaker 1: Uh yep, and was eating with that that, you know,
Speaker 1: that shovel like a spoon, because it had to have
Speaker 1: got that whole edge is wet. And when it put
Speaker 1: it back down in there, it all stepped to it.
Speaker 2: Do you leave dog food and stuff out outside?
Speaker 1: The dog food we have We got a an automatic
Speaker 1: feeder and it and it's inside my shop and and
Speaker 1: I've not had any problem with it in there. And
Speaker 1: then when we moved the chickens to the new barn,
Speaker 1: we quit getting eggs for quite a while. Then we
Speaker 1: started putting baby powder on the door knobs and it quit.
Speaker 1: And fake eggs and fake eggs. I put a fake
Speaker 1: egg in there and it disappeared.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know one of them ceramic ones. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can buy a dozen of them. That keeps them. Chickens
Speaker 1: will peck on it and it hurts their heads so
Speaker 1: they won't peck their own eggs. And I put big
Speaker 1: red eggs on them, you know, So don't bring them
Speaker 1: back in the house. But they looked just like a
Speaker 1: regular egg disappeared, and I said, I'm gonna put that
Speaker 1: fake egg in there and see what happened, and it
Speaker 1: was gone.
Speaker 2: But I mean, anything that would normally take a chicken
Speaker 2: egg would not take one of those.
Speaker 1: No, No, they don't even no, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you know, like you know, just think like possums,
Speaker 2: raccoons or whatever. They're going to recognize the smells different
Speaker 2: and they're not even going to mess with it.
Speaker 1: So they well they usually my been my experienced possums
Speaker 1: and all of them, they will make the mess right there,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, there are cells everywhere, and there'll be this,
Speaker 1: and there's no shells nowhere, and that egg was nowhere
Speaker 1: to be found. Huh. But they've never they've never killed
Speaker 1: any of our chickens now. And I'm surprised because after
Speaker 1: that tornado, you know, that built that barn was leaning
Speaker 1: like the Tirapieza, and yeah, it looked like he was
Speaker 1: about to come down, but never lost the scene.
Speaker 2: Did you guys notice any changes in the stuff that
Speaker 2: was happening after the tornado?
Speaker 1: It increased, Yeah, it increased. My best friend he helped
Speaker 1: us during the tornado or right after it. And but
Speaker 1: a day after it, he went turkey hunting and he
Speaker 1: followed the edge of the tornado down all the way down.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, he went at four o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and you normally hunt that area. He
Speaker 1: knows it good. But he got down in there and
Speaker 1: he got turned around because there was so much tornado damage.
Speaker 1: So he thought, well, he'd just picked a spot and
Speaker 1: sit down, and so he did. And he said, about
Speaker 1: not even thirty minutes, forty five minutes, there was a
Speaker 1: big wood knot behind him, you know, way west of him,
Speaker 1: and uh, he said, it felt like a three quarters
Speaker 1: a mile or so. And he said, in about an
Speaker 1: hour an hour and a half later, he said, wasn't
Speaker 1: it wasn't getting daylight and he was and he just
Speaker 1: started getting nervous and getting scared and just didn't feel right.
Speaker 1: And then he can here's something breathing in all that
Speaker 1: tornado damage behind him, and uh, and so he's he
Speaker 1: shines his light back there and he's looking and he
Speaker 1: don't see nothing. And he said it sounds like a
Speaker 1: you know, two thousand pounds brahma bulls with asthma and
Speaker 1: I used to have a about twenty bucking bull down
Speaker 1: here all the time, so we knew what that sounded like.
Speaker 1: And uh, he's listening and listening, and he says, the
Speaker 1: next thing, I know, he said. He said he could
Speaker 1: feel it breathe. He said he could feel it sniffing
Speaker 1: for it. He could hear it sniffing for him, and
Speaker 1: then he could feel it sniffing on him. He said
Speaker 1: he could fill it sniffing on the back of his neck.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't. He said he was so scared.
Speaker 1: He didn't turn around. He didn't do nothing. And he said,
Speaker 1: but and he said that was it. He never heard
Speaker 1: it leave and never did anything else. I mean, he
Speaker 1: said it had to have left, you know. And when
Speaker 1: when it was daylight he got up, he said, I
Speaker 1: didn't even look around, he said, and I seen him
Speaker 1: coming out of the woods because we were all out
Speaker 1: here cutting trees off my fence from the tornadoes. And
Speaker 1: he just got in his truck and left, you know.
Speaker 1: And I didn't talk to him for two weeks, and
Speaker 1: then he said, hey, I got to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and and well, and then he started telling me other
Speaker 1: stories because he's the only one that turkey hunts out here.
Speaker 1: I don't go turkey hunting. And he said he's been
Speaker 1: paralleled out of there, you know, two or three times,
Speaker 1: you know, and he never said nothing to me about
Speaker 1: it until this incident. But he was white as a ghost,
Speaker 1: wasn't it when he came out of there and it
Speaker 1: you know, and he just left it. Didn't say a word,
Speaker 1: he just left.
Speaker 2: Do you guys got a lot of hunters that go
Speaker 2: in and out of the property.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Now I can go a whole I've
Speaker 1: went a whole gun season and not heard a shot
Speaker 1: from you know, maybe I hear a shot that sounds
Speaker 1: like they're about five six, seven miles away, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're real particular. It's mainly just family, but not
Speaker 3: very many.
Speaker 1: But you know, and there was a when we when
Speaker 1: we first moved out here, there's a group of guys
Speaker 1: that used to hunt out here, and there was probably
Speaker 1: thirty of them and they'd come up and kick seven boats.
Speaker 1: This is the late nineties, and they come up and
Speaker 1: they did that for years all up till to almost
Speaker 1: right about the time I heard that first screen six
Speaker 1: in twenty six team and uh and nice guys. I
Speaker 1: talked to them because we used to have people, you know,
Speaker 1: camp on us and letter and all that. And these
Speaker 1: guys are great guys, and they did it every year.
Speaker 1: I never bothered them, never talked to them, nless. They
Speaker 1: was just happened to be broken by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had to come up the river to get
Speaker 3: on the public land, and the only way to get there.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting out here one night and uh, all hell
Speaker 1: breaks loose, and this is like one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: and I know exactly where they're camping. I can see them.
Speaker 1: I've seen their like every night during their season. Down
Speaker 1: there there they're fire and their lanterns, and I could
Speaker 1: hear them talking and laughing. And uh, but about one o'clock,
Speaker 1: all hell broke loose and every it sounded like every
Speaker 1: one of them was shooting down there. It sounded like
Speaker 1: nine millimeters rifles. It sounded like everything. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it sounded like a war. And uh, and my son
Speaker 1: had just gotten out the military, and uh, he had
Speaker 1: took the game ranger down there, and he said that
Speaker 1: them guys left in a hurry. They left a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff behind and left clothes lines up in the
Speaker 1: you know, in the trees, there was a hog leg
Speaker 1: hanging in you know, one and and and and I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing that they had shot hogs earlier that
Speaker 1: day and I had hung them all up, and them
Speaker 1: and them things came in there to get them hogs
Speaker 1: or whatever and and scared them guys. And they've never
Speaker 1: been back. They've never been back since. And they were
Speaker 1: this is thirty guys that were religious about this. I
Speaker 1: mean for two weeks.
Speaker 3: They would stay out there in these big army huge,
Speaker 3: big army tents with stoves.
Speaker 1: And fireplace everything in them. And ever since we lived here,
Speaker 1: you know, for thirty years. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden boom, they after that night, they we hadn't seen
Speaker 1: them since. And and when we thought what was weird,
Speaker 1: we got another neighbor east of us. Well, he calls
Speaker 1: me in the middle of the night and uh, he's
Speaker 1: a cowboy, got you know, he's got a big ranch
Speaker 1: and he runs a lot of cattle and uh, and
Speaker 1: he calls me in the middle of the night. He said,
Speaker 1: he said, there is army guys going past and through
Speaker 1: my pasture, hiding behind my barn, working their way through
Speaker 1: my property. And he said, they're all in black offs
Speaker 1: uniforms with nothing on them, heading you know, and he's
Speaker 1: a couple of miles away, and he said, and they're
Speaker 1: heading your way. We're like what And I was like what. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We was both like what in the hell was going
Speaker 1: on here? But well, I mean I didn't stand out
Speaker 1: there and watch for him now, but we never heard
Speaker 1: or seen anything which was which was pretty weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, other incidents that we've had beyond the that late
Speaker 3: night call off, we've seen government vehicles out here after
Speaker 3: weird things have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, several times. I mean we've seen a cow that
Speaker 1: got ripped on its haunches. I mean so deep it
Speaker 1: looked like shark gis moving, you know. And they had
Speaker 1: game Wards. They had everybody out here. Uh, there was
Speaker 1: all kinds of cars and trucks out here, and but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't say nothing. And then my neighbor same thing,
Speaker 1: the same exact cars, the same exact government car and
Speaker 1: game Ward and trucks and these were black trucks were
Speaker 1: over in his pasture, and I went and asked the
Speaker 1: owners about it. You know, a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 1: they drove off of me and they wouldn't even talk
Speaker 1: to me, and you know, and these people were elderly
Speaker 1: that were chatty. Kathy's up until that point, Yeah, talked
Speaker 1: to us all the time. And they haven't talked to
Speaker 1: us since.
Speaker 2: You know, if livestock gets attacked by, say, you know,
Speaker 2: a mountain lion or cougar or whatever, sometimes it gets reported,
Speaker 2: you know, to let the local officials know, you know,
Speaker 2: hey there's a predator in the area or whatever. But
Speaker 2: you don't get response like that.
Speaker 1: No, No, Well, Karen had killed a mountain lion one
Speaker 1: one year in a deep snow getting onto the high
Speaker 1: was getting onto the highway. It was a deep snow.
Speaker 1: She had a little small Suzuki fool drive car and
Speaker 1: she had ran over it. And so she called me
Speaker 1: and I went down there. It was two messed up,
Speaker 1: you know, to get the hide off of or do
Speaker 1: anything with. So I had turned it in. So they're
Speaker 1: everywhere out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just really weird that you'd have that sort
Speaker 2: of government response to a cow injury.
Speaker 1: Right right right to a single cow injury. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was yeah, yeah, and that was on a big
Speaker 1: ranch and uh and and Karen and I both you
Speaker 1: witnessed that. And then it wasn't even a week a
Speaker 1: week later when it happened across from us. The owns
Speaker 1: the land right across from us, and uh, he don't
Speaker 1: live there. He lives about a mile from there, and
Speaker 1: it's just his property. And uh, it happened there. And
Speaker 1: then it happened at the entrance to where you come
Speaker 1: into our turn off the main gravel, I should say,
Speaker 1: because it's another mile and a half down in here
Speaker 1: to us. And uh, but there's two donkeys out there
Speaker 1: and it and that that biggest one got his half
Speaker 1: as butt toore off, you know, in the same time period.
Speaker 2: So something was going through the area attacking livestock.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I just you can't convince me that
Speaker 3: a mountain lion attacks two donkeys our mules.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. We had donkeys when I
Speaker 1: had all these bulls and I was having these calves
Speaker 1: out here, and we had a couple of donkeys, and
Speaker 1: I mean they fought with my dogs. They would catch
Speaker 1: they would, you know, because people have wild dogs out
Speaker 1: here too, kyot and kyots. But I washed that donkey
Speaker 1: catch a wild dog and let my dogs tear it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they work together and they're just mean as ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to mess with no donkey.
Speaker 1: No, I don't see nothing jumping in there with the
Speaker 1: two donkeys, you know, because they're gonna fight and bite
Speaker 1: and they're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: And then again talking about our great Pyrenees dog that's
Speaker 3: not afraid of anything. Again, you know, she's out here.
Speaker 3: She's a working dog. She sleeps most of the day
Speaker 3: and she works all night keeping everything away from the house.
Speaker 3: But it was getting dark and we had the door open,
Speaker 3: and we hear her barking, which is not unusual. She
Speaker 3: barks at everything. And then we hear her screaming for
Speaker 3: her life, for her life, and we can hear her
Speaker 3: running back up to the house. And she gets up here,
Speaker 3: and I mean, she's screaming, and she spins around and
Speaker 3: she starts barking back.
Speaker 1: At the trees and she's stumping her front feet at
Speaker 1: the trees. Yeah. And I got the spotlight and I'm
Speaker 1: shining at the trees, and I can hear a few
Speaker 1: steps just in the edge of the tree line, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't more than fifty yards from the back of
Speaker 1: our porch. And I'm shining every I can see nothing
Speaker 1: chasing her, and usually if it's a coyo, they will
Speaker 1: chase her all the way to the porch and they'll
Speaker 1: fight right here right almost every time. But whatever it was,
Speaker 1: it stopped in the woods and I'm shining a light
Speaker 1: and I never heard it leave. And then she's barking
Speaker 1: and I'm not noticing her. When she comes back around,
Speaker 1: I could see her head bleeding well, and she's snow white.
Speaker 1: And so I made her come up on the porch
Speaker 1: and she's got a two inch long gash on right
Speaker 1: dead center in the middle of her head, and you
Speaker 1: know about it look like a blade whips, you know,
Speaker 1: a good the hunting knife blades, and that all of
Speaker 1: the meat and the hair was punched down into the
Speaker 1: womb like she had been hitting with a rock. Huh.
Speaker 1: And and it was wasn't five minutes. She had a
Speaker 1: nod on her head that was better than a peach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she had a she was a knothead for a while.
Speaker 1: That was not a claw mark. It was definitely an impact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could tell it was an impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, claws will tear it outward. Yeah, definitely sounds like
Speaker 2: sometime hit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, you know, And then and and
Speaker 1: it's just been crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever you think they're around to the dogs act
Speaker 2: aggressive towards them normally. I know you said that one
Speaker 2: time it got underneath the house or whatever.
Speaker 1: Every time I've been in the area where them dogs,
Speaker 1: and when I think something's going on, they eater ran
Speaker 1: off or I can't see them. Yeah. Like, I was
Speaker 1: brush hogging after the tornado, this back pasture and and
Speaker 1: I had my I had my back to the canyon
Speaker 1: and I'm about halfway up the pasture and I get
Speaker 1: hit in the back. Well, I think that brush hog
Speaker 1: hit a rock, you know, and got me in the back.
Speaker 1: And I come all the way up to the top
Speaker 1: and I was getting ready to turn around. I skidded back.
Speaker 1: I kept sitting on it, and I pulled it out
Speaker 1: from under me, and it was a it was a
Speaker 1: hickory nut, old, big, old greenhickory nut. And it's not
Speaker 1: a mark on it. So you know, it didn't come
Speaker 1: out from underneath that brush hog. But even if it did,
Speaker 1: the way these newer A tractors are made, you can't
Speaker 1: get hit by your brush hog anymore. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so much between you and it, you know, shielding your
Speaker 1: legs and uh, and they said in the middle. It
Speaker 1: just hit me right in the middle of back, and
Speaker 1: it left a pretty good mark, didn't it care? I
Speaker 1: mean it it was isn't no love? Tap by no
Speaker 1: means Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that actually, because
Speaker 2: you hear stories of screams and roars and you know,
Speaker 2: rock throwing or whatever whenever people are using brush hogs
Speaker 2: or lawnmowers or chainsaws and that, right, that kind of
Speaker 2: goes right along lines with that same stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It seems like something about the loud machinery like that
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 1: Like, right, And that's the first and only time I've
Speaker 1: been hit, and you know, when I had to slow
Speaker 1: down out here doing stuff and cutting tornado damage down
Speaker 1: and cutting firewood, and you know, but you can definitely
Speaker 1: feel it in there, can't you tear? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You can tell on the nights that it's different out here.
Speaker 1: And the nights that it's just a normal night. Yeah, easily.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're in that area you're around or
Speaker 2: is it seasonal?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, we'll go we'll go to us
Speaker 1: three months and not hear or nothing. You know, But
Speaker 1: like I was telling you, I talked to Brian Terroll
Speaker 1: and uh, he had run across a a game ranger
Speaker 1: and and they said, oh yeah, this time of the year,
Speaker 1: he said, they're usually on this side the highway, not
Speaker 1: on the you know, and then in the summer they
Speaker 1: go south of the highway.
Speaker 2: We're not going to give away any details about your
Speaker 2: location or anything, but I mean, you guys are off
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: You're yeah, we're a way and.
Speaker 2: It's it's remote and rough country there. There's no chance
Speaker 2: that you know, people are coming in, you know, unexpectedly.
Speaker 2: Nobody's trespassing out there or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Now, my dogs would have them if they were, trust
Speaker 1: you know, if they were doing stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: there's it's.
Speaker 3: Remote enough out here, and we're we know our neighbors
Speaker 3: or our neighbors know us, and you kind of just
Speaker 3: know everybody's vehicles, so you would know if it was
Speaker 3: a strange vehicle out here or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, somebody be called, you know, we think somebody
Speaker 3: went down your road or something, you know, on those.
Speaker 1: Lines, right, But I haven't asked none of the neighbors
Speaker 1: about any of it. Because we had a mountain lion
Speaker 1: out here and it went between my son's hunting cabin
Speaker 1: and my brother's house right there in the middle of
Speaker 1: the day, come up the cliff and walked through the yard,
Speaker 1: and uh, I was and then that that's when that
Speaker 1: donkey up there got his butt tore on. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to say nothing about it being a big
Speaker 1: food or anything. I just told them that I just
Speaker 1: went to these houses and like I said, these houses
Speaker 1: about a mile apart, and I nobody believed me. And
Speaker 1: I told him, you know, there's a predator in the area.
Speaker 1: And I said, I didn't tell him Bigfoot. I said,
Speaker 1: it's a mountain lion. I'm pretty sure. Well, they didn't
Speaker 1: believe in it, the mountain lion, the mountain lion. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to say nothing about Bigfoot, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy, he's lived just neighbor. You got
Speaker 1: to drive for him to get to us, and he's
Speaker 1: been here for fifty sixty years. And then when I
Speaker 1: told him about the mountain lion, you know, he practically
Speaker 1: called me a liar, And so I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 1: going to say nothing about Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: There's no way people have lived out there that long
Speaker 2: and not noticed stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how. And this guy's a coon
Speaker 1: hunter and everything.
Speaker 3: We do have one neighbor that has talked to us
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: He'd have his own stories, but oh yeah, and he
Speaker 1: he's the next policeman and uh, he's he's like our
Speaker 1: next neighbor. And he's about two miles Yeah, and uh
Speaker 1: got to talk and I told him about all this
Speaker 1: and him, I mean, he believed me one percent. He
Speaker 1: had his own experience with about eight or ten other
Speaker 1: cops down in the Commission Mountains. Oh wow, standing there
Speaker 1: where it shook a big army kit down on him.
Speaker 1: And he said that was the thing they used to
Speaker 1: do every year. All it's all these guys he went
Speaker 1: to Cleet school with and uh and they made a
Speaker 1: deal where they was going down there hunting every year.
Speaker 1: And he said after that, they've never been back. I
Speaker 1: think the guys that used to hunt down Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like the guys that used to hunt down here. But uh,
Speaker 1: and he's also you know, he was a sheriff. He
Speaker 1: got called in on a complaint on Highway eleven and uh,
Speaker 1: when he gets there, he sees his trash can getting
Speaker 1: knocked plumber cross the road on Highway Eleaven. Well, he
Speaker 1: comes whipping in there because he knows something's going on,
Speaker 1: and he whips in there and he said, the damn
Speaker 1: he said, it looked like the biggest German shepherd he'd
Speaker 1: ever seen is looking down at him in his police car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he has an SUV not a car. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he had an SUV car.
Speaker 2: Have you guys changed your behavior since all this stuff
Speaker 2: has started happening, You've kind of figured out what's going on?
Speaker 2: Are you like afraid of it?
Speaker 3: I would say the main thing we've done is we
Speaker 3: don't let the kids play outside by themselves, but we
Speaker 3: still let them play outside.
Speaker 1: I don't. I used to, you know, go out here
Speaker 1: at night and fish the pond or go do that,
Speaker 1: and you know, fish the creek. And I don't do
Speaker 1: that by myself. I go do it with my son
Speaker 1: or you know, stuff like that. But mainly we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't spend as much time out at night, right
Speaker 1: because I used to work out in my shop and
Speaker 1: do all kinds of stuff out here all night, wandering
Speaker 1: around in the woods. And hell, I tracked my deer
Speaker 1: at night, you know, And you could make me do
Speaker 1: that for a million bucks, I think.
Speaker 3: I'm just probably more aware of my surroundings, whereas.
Speaker 1: We're definitely that's it hasn't been off our minds since
Speaker 1: this has happened. Yeah before, I'd probably.
Speaker 3: Just go be bopping out and didn't think anything about nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, just shoot out the front door, take my time.
Speaker 1: But now I'm way more aware.
Speaker 3: I flip on lights, I really look around before I
Speaker 3: go outside.
Speaker 1: I just I can't believe on hindsight how many times
Speaker 1: I've been, you know, paralleled around here right and then
Speaker 1: or you know, go hiking off down in the woods
Speaker 1: to the creek and got paralleled down through there, and
Speaker 1: but I never thought nothing about it. But nothing ever
Speaker 1: scared me.
Speaker 3: And I never how many times I heard wood knocks
Speaker 3: and didn't put to ino together.
Speaker 1: But none of that HAPs they they haven't, I guess
Speaker 1: they haven't, you know, infrasound us or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because I haven't. I haven't never had a sick feeling.
Speaker 1: And and I'm and I'm and we've been close, you know,
Speaker 1: when they was across the street that that wasn't thirty feet.
Speaker 3: And then the only time I've truly been scared was
Speaker 3: when they were out of the state, when it was
Speaker 3: up here. I was up here by myself. That's the
Speaker 3: only time we've been scared.
Speaker 1: But I haven't had a scary moment.
Speaker 2: Do you guys got bugger lights outside?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, we got spot lights out and gain camera
Speaker 1: and but it didn't matter. It didn't matter. Yeah, down
Speaker 1: on down on the creek, there's an area where another
Speaker 1: creek comes in and on the point of it, there's
Speaker 1: some big trees. They're about a foot in diameter and
Speaker 1: they're broken in five different directions. There's five of them
Speaker 1: in a circle, and this circle is probably ten or
Speaker 1: twelve foot in the center. And uh. And these trees
Speaker 1: are broken all the way over, but not laying on
Speaker 1: the ground. The tops are broken out of them, you
Speaker 1: know where there's no limbs hidting nowhere. They're just broke
Speaker 1: over logs pretty much in five different directions. And uh.
Speaker 1: And there's trees in the middle and all around them,
Speaker 1: and not one single tree has been touched. But they've
Speaker 1: all been over in such a way that, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're all exactly the same. And it looks like you know,
Speaker 1: a Chinese handcuff when you bend it over and just
Speaker 1: a fiber of the wood is stretching and sticking, you know,
Speaker 1: and all in a circle. And I've took in a
Speaker 1: couple of different people over that way fishing and showed
Speaker 1: them that. And this one guy, you know, he's an engineer.
Speaker 1: He's in his agenes, he's looking at it and he
Speaker 1: gets out and he says, I got nothing. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know how this happened, you know. I mean it
Speaker 1: was so strange. But there's also quite a bit of
Speaker 1: structure down there there. And then you know when we
Speaker 1: found stones on top of yellow grass, rocks on top
Speaker 1: of yellow grass where there should be twelve foot of water,
Speaker 1: you know, and smashed hogs that looked like they they
Speaker 1: were so decayed. It looked like it just didn't have
Speaker 1: no bones in it. And naturally my pyrenees rolled all
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 2: Those tree brakes. Were they pointed in specific directions or
Speaker 2: anything that you could tell or was it just kind
Speaker 2: of random?
Speaker 1: Uh? It was almost uh a perfect circle of them,
Speaker 1: you know, they was pointing north, south, east, and west.
Speaker 1: And like I said, there was five of them though
Speaker 1: they formed a circle like they formed a circle with.
Speaker 2: That's so weird. And you told me about the rock
Speaker 2: thing yesterday as well. How many rocks was it.
Speaker 1: There were there were I went hiking and the rocks,
Speaker 1: went hiking and there were no rocks. There were no rocks.
Speaker 1: And the next time I go hiking and she came back.
Speaker 1: When I came back to there, there was four rocks
Speaker 1: sitting in a row and there and they're, like I said,
Speaker 1: normally that creek area was about twelve foot deep, but
Speaker 1: it had had dried up because we had a you know,
Speaker 1: pretty drought and uh and uh. I just couldn't figure
Speaker 1: that out. And that's when my dog come down around
Speaker 1: the hill and stunk and just covered in just like
Speaker 1: black blood, you know what I mean, Yeah, black wild blood.
Speaker 1: And I was like, where in the heck did you
Speaker 1: get all that at? And so I followed her around
Speaker 1: up there and and and then found that and I
Speaker 1: got then I got out of there. But it was
Speaker 1: that was so old, you know, but the rocks wasn't Now.
Speaker 3: The rocks weren't there when that they were there when
Speaker 3: he came out.
Speaker 2: Did you get the feeling that the rocks were put
Speaker 2: there for you to see?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so it was why in plain, wide open,
Speaker 1: you know, it was pretty much the bottom of the creek,
Speaker 1: so there wasn't nothing in any direction. There wasn't no
Speaker 1: other rocks in that creek anywhere or on the bank.
Speaker 1: There was no rocks nowhere but those four in an
Speaker 1: exact line.
Speaker 3: And the grass was frosted over, and that was still
Speaker 3: frosted over under the rocks.
Speaker 1: It was still frozen under the rocks. It was after
Speaker 1: that ice storm we had, I think in the end
Speaker 1: up twenty four that in January of twenty four, I
Speaker 1: think that's when it was. But we had an ice
Speaker 1: storm on that Sunday night and I went that Monday,
Speaker 1: and walking down in through there, it looked all it
Speaker 1: was pretty odd to do that because it looked like
Speaker 1: an ice castle down in there. Yeah, you know, with
Speaker 1: everything frozen.
Speaker 2: And with everything that you guys are talking about going
Speaker 2: on and everything, like you said, you hadn't been hit
Speaker 2: with any infrasound or anything like that. You did have
Speaker 2: the incident with the dog. But they're not taking the chickens.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think they're trying to be as
Speaker 2: neighborly as they can.
Speaker 1: That's what my son is saying. That's what because you know,
Speaker 1: he's a big time believer now, because I mean he's
Speaker 1: print the footprint, done it for him, and he's heard
Speaker 1: knocks and some weird stuff too, but it was a
Speaker 1: footprint that done it. And you know, he grew up
Speaker 1: out here and he's hunted and every bit of all
Speaker 1: this and been all over this place. And he so
Speaker 1: he's not scared, he said, if it's been out here
Speaker 1: that long, he said, it didn't bother me. He said,
Speaker 1: I ain't worried about it. Yeah. And man, my daughter
Speaker 1: feels the same way. You know, She's like, it didn't
Speaker 1: bother her either. They go out and do whatever they
Speaker 1: want out here. Still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, earlier you mentioned the orbs, So you guys
Speaker 2: have had some things happen that aren't bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Stuff, right, And the crazy part is we've never seen
Speaker 1: anything until all this big foot stuff that I'm not
Speaker 1: saying and I'm not trying to put two and two
Speaker 1: together with that. You know, it's just weird. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I really didn't start watching for stuff like that until
Speaker 1: that came out, what that July twenty thirteen, and that
Speaker 1: when they come out with the government thing, and I
Speaker 1: started sitting down here looking for them, and then when
Speaker 1: we got that, and I never seen anything with my
Speaker 1: naked eye until I got the infrared and then we
Speaker 1: and we've had we had two or three incidents with it,
Speaker 1: and then I started seeing them with my naked eye
Speaker 1: and then but the first ones we've seen were about
Speaker 1: the size of a softball and uh, and they looked
Speaker 1: like they had static electricity in it inside the ball.
Speaker 1: And there were what, Karen, literally hundreds of them our
Speaker 1: whole It's like they came out of our woods on
Speaker 1: the on the north side and went into our pasture
Speaker 1: and kind of moved to our house and went into
Speaker 1: the woods on our on the south of us. But
Speaker 1: it was it was a ten minute deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was foreverwhere and they come all the way up
Speaker 1: to the house, but they never came any further than that,
Speaker 1: and they backed up and went away. And we weren't
Speaker 1: very tech savvy on this infrared thing.
Speaker 3: And I looking at it one day, I think I
Speaker 3: was trying to charge it or something, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: what is this hole here? And I figured out that
Speaker 3: it took a like a card so you could take pictures.
Speaker 3: So then I actually went and read the directions and
Speaker 3: we could video with it. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go get a card and we'll try
Speaker 3: to take pictures with this thing, and we're seeing the
Speaker 3: orbs out here. One night he calls me out here
Speaker 3: and I'm like, hey, remember you can press that button
Speaker 3: and we can record. In a nanosecond after I said that,
Speaker 3: they left.
Speaker 1: It shot out. It was on the one that was
Speaker 1: on my screen. It was about where that hickory tree was,
Speaker 1: where I told you that he went down and he
Speaker 1: stopped and turned and went down. It was. It was
Speaker 1: right there, and it shot from the left of my
Speaker 1: screen bottom left to the top right of my screen,
Speaker 1: and it left a trail, a trail on my camera
Speaker 1: that stayed on that stayed on there for a couple
Speaker 1: of seconds. But everybody was gone by the time we
Speaker 1: hit the button, and then and then everything just disappeared.
Speaker 2: It's so strange, so strange that I don't have any
Speaker 2: idea what to make of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 3: I mean, we it was just we were we were
Speaker 3: in all, you know, and it's not something that we
Speaker 3: get out daily, weekly, or even every few weeks.
Speaker 1: We don't. I don't. I don't get that camera out
Speaker 1: and look, and you know, I'm not. I'm not out
Speaker 1: here to convince myself.
Speaker 2: Right, And you don't need it. You don't got to
Speaker 2: go looking for it. It's right there.
Speaker 1: No, no, And and you know I've told my best friends, Well,
Speaker 1: my best friend had the incident, and I told another
Speaker 1: good friend, and and he's told me stories that he's
Speaker 1: had up here on our place where he got paralleled.
Speaker 1: But everybody I've told, you know, believe it. I haven't
Speaker 1: been laughed.
Speaker 2: At a lot of this stuff, like we had talked
Speaker 2: about as hindsight, you know that you've been paralleled out
Speaker 2: numerous times before and never thought anything of it. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what most people do, you know, they
Speaker 2: just write it off, Oh, it must be a deer,
Speaker 2: you know whatever. And it's not really until you know
Speaker 2: these things are out there that you start realizing like,
Speaker 2: well maybe that was something, right, Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: When they was pushing these cows around north so was
Speaker 1: we could smell it and and it was what I
Speaker 1: smelled was pure puke and crap. That's what I smelled.
Speaker 1: And then I can come out here, and she said,
Speaker 1: pretty much it smelt like a an old soured out.
Speaker 3: Down disturbed behind the little trash. Can you know That's
Speaker 3: what it reminded me of, Like a stinky dumpster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were talking about them running those cattle around
Speaker 2: the field across the pasture. Does that happen a lot?
Speaker 2: Have you noticed it more than that?
Speaker 1: Or well? I think well I sincely started noticing it.
Speaker 1: It's probably happened four times that I know of. And uh,
Speaker 1: And there's another ranch on the side of him, on
Speaker 1: the other side of him, and and they got land
Speaker 1: that butts around this other creek that goes around them,
Speaker 1: and and they they've had that place for a long time.
Speaker 1: And even the people before them told them not to
Speaker 1: not to let their calves go down in that area
Speaker 1: because they'll all disappear. And they lost a lot of
Speaker 1: cats and they've lost a lot of caves and cows
Speaker 1: in that area. So they got they got that whole
Speaker 1: back forty back in there that that they don't even use.
Speaker 1: They won't use it.
Speaker 2: Do you have any goals with this? Are you just
Speaker 2: would you want to get rid of them if you could,
Speaker 2: or do you like having them around?
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to cause any problem. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're just aware. I don't know how you'd
Speaker 1: get rid of them, but yeah, we're just aware, and
Speaker 1: nothing nothing real damaging or other than stealing my eggs,
Speaker 1: other than yeah, just stealing the eggs and you know,
Speaker 1: and then slapping on the house. And that was just
Speaker 1: really weird that happened.
Speaker 3: What for maybe those two weeks, yeah, when you were gone,
Speaker 3: and maybe a week or so after you got back.
Speaker 3: And then I feel like if something happened in May,
Speaker 3: is that when the shower one happened.
Speaker 1: The shower wouldn't happened when you was in The shower
Speaker 1: happened in May. Yeah, year, Yeah, after I got back
Speaker 1: from the hospital, and then we were sitting out here
Speaker 1: and they was while we were sitting out here, they
Speaker 1: were throwing rocks at my shop, my metal shop. Yeah, pebbles,
Speaker 1: not big rocks, but pebbles. Yeah. And there's no trees,
Speaker 1: no nothing where any acorn or anything like that can
Speaker 1: drop or hit that building. Yeah, yeah, there's nothing around it.
Speaker 1: And we're sitting on the back porch, you know, just
Speaker 1: going uh oh wow, there you.
Speaker 2: Go without Yeah, you know, just say whatever your comfortable
Speaker 2: was saying. But you had mentioned that you've had some
Speaker 2: pretty serious health issues going on, so that usually requires
Speaker 2: a pretty good stay in the hospital. Do you notice
Speaker 2: things happening whenever you get back from a trip to
Speaker 2: the hospital or like these extended periods of time, whenever
Speaker 2: you leave the house and then you come back, things
Speaker 2: seem to happen more than right when you get back.
Speaker 1: I haven't noticed anything like that. I know a couple
Speaker 1: of my you know what, when I heard the howl,
Speaker 1: the scream and the war, you know, I was sick.
Speaker 1: I was just lost. I had a kidney transplant and
Speaker 1: I just lost my dad's kidney, and so I was
Speaker 1: going to have to go back on diasas. So I
Speaker 1: wasn't in the best of moods when I heard that
Speaker 1: first scream and how you know, I mean it was
Speaker 1: a roar.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: Later on I got a kidney from my son, and
Speaker 1: you know, and everything's going great, and then my dad
Speaker 1: starts to die. You know, he's dying, and I'm out here,
Speaker 1: and then I hear another ar in four knocks, you know,
Speaker 1: and then a year from that, well, no, back when
Speaker 1: he was dying is when we heard the knox and
Speaker 1: the tree slams. Yes, And it was at day that
Speaker 1: he died or something like that. You know, we're just
Speaker 1: out here thinking about it. And then when it's kind
Speaker 1: of weird this year. September eleventh or nineteenth. September nineteenth,
Speaker 1: I was out here and I heard a big roar
Speaker 1: again the screen and then and then about I don't know,
Speaker 1: a mile from there south I heard four what knots,
Speaker 1: And that was at eleven thirty. I got to pick
Speaker 1: my phone up and looked, and that was just this
Speaker 1: past September.
Speaker 2: The reason I ask is it seems like in a
Speaker 2: lot of the situations like you guys have, where they're
Speaker 2: in the area of someone's property and they're visiting the
Speaker 2: property on a regular basis, it seems like oftentimes they
Speaker 2: like routine and if you break that routine, it upsets
Speaker 2: them or they react to it. And another thing that
Speaker 2: seems to go along with this, and it kind of
Speaker 2: plays into what you're talking about right now, which again
Speaker 2: no explanation for, but they seem to pick up on emotion,
Speaker 2: like whenever we're upset or something. You got a lot
Speaker 2: of situations I've heard where like, you know, couples will
Speaker 2: be arguing and then something will slap the house, or
Speaker 2: somebody is outside yelling at somebody on the phone and
Speaker 2: they'll see one standing over there watching them, or you know,
Speaker 2: someone's crying and they hear of vocalization it. I guess
Speaker 2: they're just people watchers, but it just seems kind of
Speaker 2: kind of spooky, how keyed in on us they are
Speaker 2: at times.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know it, and you know, and I know
Speaker 1: I've been so close to it several times that if
Speaker 1: it had scared me as bad as my heart was, Hell,
Speaker 1: it killed me, you know, just thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I was in there turkey hunting and something started stuff
Speaker 2: in the back of my neck that would have done
Speaker 2: it for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how my buddy survived that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, I hadn't had Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's been close, and I know it has, but it
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything that scare me. It hadn't never grouted
Speaker 1: at me close, just woodenknocks and trees and throwing stuff
Speaker 1: at me. And then going to our cinerator, which is
Speaker 1: about thirty feet from the house. And when Brian came out,
Speaker 1: they was only here. That was a second snow and
Speaker 1: later in January and him and his guys came out
Speaker 1: and they wasn't here ten minutes and found three different tracks,
Speaker 1: three different sizes in quite a few tracks and from
Speaker 1: ten inch fifteen to seventeen.
Speaker 2: How big was that one in the picture you sent me?
Speaker 1: It was fifteen and the lynks from because like I
Speaker 1: said that I couldn't see the front of the foot
Speaker 1: before it, but I could see the hill of the
Speaker 1: foot and the hill of the foot after that track.
Speaker 1: And we measured it and it was five and a half.
Speaker 1: But strike, strike, the little one was that long almost,
Speaker 1: but we think that one was. But we think that
Speaker 1: one might have been running because it left them across
Speaker 1: the driveway and you know, and the snow blows and
Speaker 1: it felt them in a little bit, but you still
Speaker 1: see where it stepped. But if you went in the woods,
Speaker 1: you could see its tracks, but they wasn't good enough
Speaker 1: to pour or do anything with in those lengths once
Speaker 1: it got inside the woods again. But where how it
Speaker 1: got to that point to my chicken barn, I didn't
Speaker 1: see nothing. It had to have come from the trees
Speaker 1: or or just because they just started almost at my electric.
Speaker 2: Pole, and that was in the snow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was snow, and that was a smaller track,
Speaker 1: and the fifteen inch one was I got a cattle
Speaker 1: guard that's for four wheelers that you hook in your
Speaker 1: fence line and you can just go through it. Well
Speaker 1: you can see where it's and it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: about six foot across it. And you could see the
Speaker 1: footprint on this side of the cattle guard and the
Speaker 1: and where it hit really.
Speaker 2: Heavy on the other side, probably jumping over it.
Speaker 1: Jumping over it. Those are the ones that Brian found
Speaker 1: and then I had the men. He found the seventeen
Speaker 1: inch track uh over on the road by where my
Speaker 1: woodpile is and it goes up past my hog in
Speaker 1: and it was and it went through there, and there
Speaker 1: was probably five or six tracks with that one too.
Speaker 1: You can see them in the grass and barely in
Speaker 1: the snow. He did he did some three D pictures
Speaker 1: of it. They wasn't as good as the one I
Speaker 1: took because most of the snow was going away, but
Speaker 1: you can dangerous see the impression in the grass.
Speaker 2: Do you guys you mentioned the owls, the owls that
Speaker 2: weren't owls, something that we.
Speaker 1: Hear a lot. Oh yeah, that's when I heard the
Speaker 1: screams kind of northwest of us, and it was just
Speaker 1: a I mean it was absolutely so loud, a woman
Speaker 1: screaming into a roar. I mean there was no doubt,
Speaker 1: and there was two of them. And when that second
Speaker 1: one quit, the owls in the I mean, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, that monkeys. It sounded like owls
Speaker 1: and monkeys, you know, doing you know that? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's when I got caring to come out. And it
Speaker 1: was just plenty sound like to you it's just a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. And it was just a bunch. There
Speaker 1: was too many to be owls in that one spot.
Speaker 1: There were too much noise up there.
Speaker 2: Have you heard any you know, laughter, I know you
Speaker 2: mentioned the giggling children. Have you heard like a hyena
Speaker 2: type laugh or any other animals that you think were
Speaker 2: being mimicked?
Speaker 1: No, no, mamely just the owls. Mainly, just the owls.
Speaker 1: I heard a a loom in the middle of the
Speaker 1: winter down here in the woods. Sounded just like a
Speaker 1: loom huh on a Minnesota lake, you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I was setting out here and it was it
Speaker 1: was dark. I don't know the flight patterns illums, but.
Speaker 2: Probably not going to be in the woods in the
Speaker 2: middle of the winter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any metallic sounds.
Speaker 1: The only offbeat sound that we've heard is the beeping.
Speaker 1: That's all I've heard, the chirp. I haven't heard anything else.
Speaker 1: And I've heard them, you know. When I heard the
Speaker 1: voices behind the pond when I was cooking, I mean
Speaker 1: I heard laughter and just it sounded like talking chaos,
Speaker 1: you know, like just a group of guys down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sounded like a group of guys down there, at least
Speaker 1: three or four just cutting up and there was nobody there.
Speaker 1: And then I heard kids. Yeah, you know, I've had
Speaker 1: other stuff happen where I've gotten down fishing by the
Speaker 1: island and I'm set up on those sides of the
Speaker 1: bank and there's an island across from me, and that
Speaker 1: island is about a mile long, me and my buddy,
Speaker 1: and we're getting growled at and stuff broke at and
Speaker 1: this is about I'm thinking one hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 1: away from us, maybe two hundred and just something raising. Hell.
Speaker 1: We're looking at each other like what is going on
Speaker 1: over there? I mean, this is island. It's just black
Speaker 1: as cold, you know, there's no lights, and it's in
Speaker 1: the winter. And it just kept going. It was making
Speaker 1: us nervous. Then it turned around and started walking away
Speaker 1: from us. The lengths of the island. But we heard
Speaker 1: that thing grumble and break stuff all the way to
Speaker 1: the other end of the island, you know. And this
Speaker 1: is twenty years ago. We had no clue, no clue
Speaker 1: what We thought. It was a bear, you know, but
Speaker 1: how's this bear doing all this? You know? And we
Speaker 1: had no clue about it.
Speaker 2: Just a complete random question. Do you guys find arrowheads
Speaker 2: and stuff around there?
Speaker 1: I don't know so much.
Speaker 3: About arrowheads, but you know, like I said, we got
Speaker 3: a lot of grandkids, so I justify a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff because they just moved things around.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah.
Speaker 3: We've had bog ball rocks show up on the steps
Speaker 3: on the front porch and oh right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: I kind of think in hindsight, you know, yeah, probably was,
Speaker 3: But at the time I'm like, stupid dog, you know.
Speaker 1: Dropped the rock up there on the fort right, all right?
Speaker 3: You know, my dogs, they I have to always check
Speaker 3: between my car and the house because they leave presents
Speaker 3: all the time. I blame it on the dogs, now
Speaker 3: is it the dog?
Speaker 1: For now? We had a couple of labs when we
Speaker 1: first moved out here, and they got to about six
Speaker 1: months old and disappeared pretty quick. Yep, just disappeared one
Speaker 1: day they were gone. Huh.
Speaker 3: She never saw him again.
Speaker 1: And then we had a pair of beagles and uh
Speaker 1: and uh the male is a male and female and
Speaker 1: their brothers and sisters and uh, and they came home
Speaker 1: and she's just crying. And I go out there and
Speaker 1: he's just he's tore up. He's got he's been beat up,
Speaker 1: and he's got the gravel from the driveway bedded in
Speaker 1: it in between his teeth. Oh man, Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: two puntry when he was on his neck and uh,
Speaker 1: and he well took him to the vet. He healed up,
Speaker 1: but he died of shock. Yeah, he died. The bet
Speaker 1: said he died of fright something scared of his death. Yep.
Speaker 2: That sounds horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I'm female, you know how that is?
Speaker 1: She died not much longer. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I was saying, we blame the things that we know,
Speaker 2: and we just write it off as like, oh, it
Speaker 2: must have just been the grandkids or whatever. But right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of the deal though, right, because
Speaker 2: it could be the grandkids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I find random tools everywhere, like what
Speaker 1: are they work? What were they doing with that? They had?
Speaker 1: No business with that.
Speaker 2: It can be kind of nerve wracking if you worry
Speaker 2: about this stuff too much, because then you know, you
Speaker 2: don't know what's what You don't know, well, is that
Speaker 2: something that they did or or something normal?
Speaker 1: Right, And there's nothing there's no pattern for the last
Speaker 1: since the beginning of twenty three, we haven't seen any
Speaker 1: pattern of of well it's mainly in the winter, but
Speaker 1: it's happened. We hear stuff all year long.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but definitely a spike whenever the kids are around.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, definitely in the holiday season.
Speaker 3: You know, when it's nice enough for them to play outside,
Speaker 3: because you know, when it's too hot, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to sit outside and watch them play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just too hot. But like night now when it's
Speaker 1: pulled off. They've been playing out here this whole last
Speaker 1: four days. We was both out here. I barely caught
Speaker 1: it because I was talking and she wasn't, and but
Speaker 1: we heard of it was kind of like that same
Speaker 1: there's a long hal without an ending, right, it's just
Speaker 1: a long hol out an ending. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: kind of abrupt, yeah that this stops. And then and
Speaker 1: then one night I sat out here and just on
Speaker 1: the other side of my canyon. When I first heard it,
Speaker 1: my first instincts was that it was a dove. And
Speaker 1: then it turned from a dove to now to almost
Speaker 1: a crow or something. And it did it, and it
Speaker 1: did it five times in a row. And this, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is loud. This is really loud, and maybe and
Speaker 1: I didn't hear nothing else. And from about twenty minutes later,
Speaker 1: it sounded like the exact same thing it did. This
Speaker 1: thing did it about five times right here, and then
Speaker 1: twenty minutes later, two miles west, I heard the same
Speaker 1: thing and it was three times. But just like you said,
Speaker 1: you don't hardly hear a whole lot of screaming out here.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do a lot of that out here.
Speaker 1: It's it's once in a great while. And I and
Speaker 1: I've got hours and hours and hours logged out here
Speaker 1: on this back porch, you know, just from being sick
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, I live out on this back porch.
Speaker 2: They're not very vocal in Oklahoma, it seems.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't happen very often, and I so wish
Speaker 1: it would happen with my son out here, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's something to hear. It really is something to hear,
Speaker 1: and it really is jurassic. I mean, it's there's no
Speaker 1: other word for it. It's it's just not right. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's crazy. You know.
Speaker 2: All the stuff that you guys are talking about is stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just how they act around people's
Speaker 2: property in Oklahoma and Texas. I can confirm Texas as
Speaker 2: the same type of behavior.
Speaker 1: So we've not told you anything new. You've not heard
Speaker 1: anything new.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that it's all new. You know,
Speaker 2: every time I hear something, I still get excited about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's exciting, but it's good to I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of glad that what we're telling you is
Speaker 3: nothing extremely new. It's stuff that you've always heard, so
Speaker 3: it kind of helps validate it a little bit, right.
Speaker 1: I Mean, we're lucky we can talk to her and
Speaker 1: I can talk to each other about it, and my
Speaker 1: son and uh so, you know, it's not like there's
Speaker 1: something we got bottled up, nothing like that, because we've
Speaker 1: all had experiences out here. And I got two other
Speaker 1: times that I thought I seen it, and uh I
Speaker 1: was looking. I'm on one hill and the way across
Speaker 1: the canyon this other hill, and it's quite a ways
Speaker 1: over there. But before the tornado, there was a trail
Speaker 1: I could see over there. It looked like a you know,
Speaker 1: I watched deer go up it before, and I've seen
Speaker 1: hogs go up it. And they they go up it
Speaker 1: from the creek and then they they go left and
Speaker 1: then and they go left, you know, for about twenty
Speaker 1: feet or thirty feet, and then and then they switched
Speaker 1: back going to right, going up higher on this on
Speaker 1: the ledge. And I'm and I'm looking over there and
Speaker 1: seeing if there's any deer, and I'm out here doing
Speaker 1: my thing, and I see something black over there. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's a cow, you know, or a huge, huge,
Speaker 1: you know hog, And I'm watching it, and I'm watching it. Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't take the same trail that the deer and
Speaker 1: everything else took it. It didn't go up that switch back.
Speaker 1: It come from the creek and just went up and
Speaker 1: then turned and went up that side. So it took
Speaker 1: a shortcut. Whatever it was, took the shortcut, you know,
Speaker 1: which is a ledge right there. It had to climb,
Speaker 1: It had to climb, and that ledge that these deer
Speaker 1: and hogs would and willing to climb, you know, because
Speaker 1: I watched them out there all the time. And I
Speaker 1: even seen another weird thing and it was at a
Speaker 1: glimpse and I looked at We had a really hard
Speaker 1: spring rain. It was kind of a cold rain, and
Speaker 1: it was early in the morning, and then it didn't
Speaker 1: last long and so the sun popped out. Well, you
Speaker 1: know how in the spring, those Bradford pairs usually turned
Speaker 1: green quicker than everything. And there's trees way out there
Speaker 1: on the other side of the canyon and on what
Speaker 1: I feared, it's a mile and a half and h
Speaker 1: and you could see these sporadic green trees out through
Speaker 1: there that bloom first. And I look back and I
Speaker 1: seen one had a big old black thing in the
Speaker 1: top of it. Well, my first thought was they were vultures,
Speaker 1: you know, with the rings spread it out across the
Speaker 1: top of the tree, you know, drying, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And then and then I go and do my thing,
Speaker 1: and I come back out and well, still there, and
Speaker 1: I watched his vultures flying around in that area, and
Speaker 1: I said, mass, that's either got to be eight or
Speaker 1: ten vultures or that's something big, you know, And and
Speaker 1: it was like it was in the top of the
Speaker 1: tree drying out. And then when I came back, I
Speaker 1: went in the house, came back and it was gone.
Speaker 2: But you did see vultures in the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see vultures in the air, and one
Speaker 1: went right by it, and it was way a little
Speaker 1: and it took it had took three of them vultures
Speaker 1: to make that wings, that that span that it was
Speaker 1: doing in the top of the tree.
Speaker 2: Well, this is a second hand story. This was not
Speaker 2: told directly to me by the person. But a good
Speaker 2: friend of mine said that this old man God's talking
Speaker 2: to him one day and found out that he was
Speaker 2: in the Bigfoot or whatever, and he told him that
Speaker 2: old man told him, look for the vultures, follow them
Speaker 2: buzzards and they'll lead you to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the buzzards were flying all around that area, but
Speaker 1: they wasn't landing in that tree. And you know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so far away. I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: yay or nay on that. It's just it was just
Speaker 1: it was just weird. And I told her right off
Speaker 1: the bat. Every time every time I hear see anything
Speaker 1: or see this, we tell each other right off.
Speaker 2: Even whenever you're out there looking for it. It's still
Speaker 2: just mind blowing. Whenever you're actually seeing it happen.
Speaker 4: It's kind of weird, you know, to me, you know,
Speaker 4: all the crap that I've been going through, and I
Speaker 4: was at a spot where, you know, I just didn't
Speaker 4: really care, you know, if I took another step or not,
Speaker 4: and and.
Speaker 1: And and it really put a spark back in me.
Speaker 1: Well that's good, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it just I was I would have never
Speaker 1: guessed in a million years that something like that would
Speaker 1: have been here. Yeah, you know, And and it's not
Speaker 1: really scaring me. I think it put us. I think
Speaker 1: it put a spark in me to learn more.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, just you know, documenting the stuff is the
Speaker 2: best thing to do, just writing it down whenever something happens,
Speaker 2: making a note of it, keeping track of it.
Speaker 1: You know, trying to do that. We've been trying to
Speaker 1: do that. We don't put every knock we hear or
Speaker 1: none of that on there, because I mean sometimes it's
Speaker 1: it's quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, at this point you just need to be
Speaker 2: taking note of like major events.
Speaker 1: I would say, that's what we're doing now. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna stick to the major things because it's ridiculous how
Speaker 1: much knock and treats we hear and breaking, you know,
Speaker 1: especially especially through right now through April.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we figure it's going to really take up here, right.
Speaker 1: I was really surprised in September when I heard the
Speaker 1: scream and those four knocks, because we're always out here
Speaker 1: in September, We're planting these fields, we're getting everything winter
Speaker 1: we eat and all that we had all the time,
Speaker 1: and I've never had anything happen in September. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I was out here, I was pretty depressed.
Speaker 1: You know, my dad, we got the same name, you know, everything,
Speaker 1: we got the same birthday, everything, and I just lost
Speaker 1: them a year ago. And we fished. We fished every
Speaker 1: lake and tournament in this state, you know. And I
Speaker 1: was just looking at the river thinking about how many
Speaker 1: times that me and him had fish down there, and
Speaker 1: and then then I hear this great, big roar to
Speaker 1: the north north northwest. But it wasn't a long one.
Speaker 1: It was a quick one. It was like five seconds.
Speaker 1: But it started out sounding like a like a big bull,
Speaker 1: and into the roar and then it just quit. And
Speaker 1: like I say, and it felt like it was five
Speaker 1: ten minutes. And then then south of us about a mile,
Speaker 1: you could hear the four knocks.
Speaker 3: And four knock seems to be real common. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know why we don't ever hear just one. Do
Speaker 3: you ever hear just two? It seems like four is
Speaker 3: our most common.
Speaker 1: But the only time I heard one just one is
Speaker 1: when it was behind me and my son and my grandson,
Speaker 1: and it was but it was it was dang close.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no mile away. It was right behind us.
Speaker 2: And that was whenever you're down at the creek, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you and.
Speaker 1: You can feel it, you could field, you could tell
Speaker 1: there was something there is. We wasn't scared, but we
Speaker 1: knew we needed to leave.
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Speaker 2: remember there's something in the woods.