WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.279 Like I said, I was out here, I was pretty depressed. 2 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:06.440 You know, my dad, we got the same name, you know, everything, 3 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.320 we got the same birthday, everything, And I just lost 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:12.439 him a year ago. We fished every lake and tournament 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:15.759 in this state, you know. And I was just looking 6 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:18.320 at the river, thinking about how many times that me 7 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:21.160 and him had fish down there, and and and then 8 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.519 then I hearing this great, big roar. But it wasn't 9 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:26.399 a long one. It was a quick one. It's like 10 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:30.000 five seconds. But it started out sounding like a like 11 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:33.560 a big bull, and into the roar and then it 12 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:36.039 just quit. And like I say, and it felt like 13 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:39.960 it was five ten minutes. Then south of us, about 14 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.320 a mile, you could hear the four knocks. It's kind 15 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.479 of weird, you know, to me, you know, all the 16 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:47.719 crap that I've been going through, and I was at 17 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.799 a spot where, you know, I just didn't really care, 18 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.960 you know, if I took another step or not, and 19 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.719 and and and it really put a spark back in me. 20 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.359 I would have never guessed in a million years that 21 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.240 something like that would have been here. Yeah, you know, 22 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.719 and that is not really scaring me. I think it 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.200 put us. I think it put a spark in to 24 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:09.799 learn more. 25 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:44.680 I know a lot of this stuff was kind of 26 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.599 hindsight for you guys, if you can go through the timeline, 27 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:50.640 you know, how did this all start? When did you 28 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.439 first start noticing things? What you noticed and all that. 29 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.640 I mean, the first thing I really noticed was in November, 30 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:05.359 the last day at deer season, and we were listening 31 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.039 for the last rifle shots of the night, and uh, 32 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.400 and I'm just standing up at the house and way 33 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.879 down in the canyon I heard one scream and it 34 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:22.639 was started off. My first thought was a really big man, 35 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.879 and then it went intoto, this just Jurassic sound, just 36 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:33.240 a big, hard roar, like like he was so mad. 37 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.439 But and he was facing south, I could tell, and 38 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.199 as at and I'm straight west of him, and he 39 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:42.800 did that whole roar until he went past me, a 40 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.120 little ways across me, and I could feel it in 41 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.240 my chest my stomach and my head and and and 42 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.000 I and I figured he had to be at least 43 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:56.560 s three quarters of a mile away, and I could 44 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.879 not believe I could feel all that. And I'm like, 45 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:05.520 you know, I've seen bigfoot shows and stuff on just 46 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:10.759 regular TV and didn't really think nothing about it, and 47 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:13.639 I was getting ready go on Dillis and so I 48 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:15.319 kind of put that in the back of my head. 49 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.199 And that happened in two thousand, remember, yeah, twenty sixteen, 50 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.199 and right in that area that November. 51 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.840 Any idea how long and duration the roar was? Like, 52 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:29.080 how many seconds? 53 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:33.800 It was forever? It felt like twenty seconds. Wow. My 54 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.680 validation for this was two weeks later. I'm taking my 55 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:45.080 granddaughter into town for softball and then when I'm coming home, 56 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.680 I'm turning in on our road and in a Bigfoot 57 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.879 research vehicle was coming out of our road. You know, 58 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.319 there's there's another guy that owns land just passed us. 59 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:04.280 And I'm assuming him or somebody else heard it, you know, 60 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:05.159 and called it in. 61 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:06.680 Yeah, but it was. 62 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.719 A small white car. It had to be putting stickers 63 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:15.120 all over it, and and I was like, wow, you know, 64 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.480 I couldn't believe it. That's weird. Yeah, I thought, that's 65 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:24.560 pretty weird. Then then everything goes on. I was sick 66 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.480 for quite a while there, four or five years. I 67 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.279 didn't get out. And then when I finally started getting 68 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:34.720 back out, we had went down to the river to 69 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.279 see if any sand baths were moving, and it was 70 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:43.639 of the Edens and me and my grandson, which was 71 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:49.800 eight years old, and my and my son and we 72 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:56.759 had about fifty seventy five feet behind us a wood knock, 73 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.519 and I mean it was I'm saying it was at 74 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.800 least that close. It could have been further away, but man, 75 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:05.759 it sounded like it was right on top of us. 76 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.040 You know when it when it happened down there in 77 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:09.040 that canyon. 78 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:09.759 Hop pretty loud. 79 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.920 Oh it was. Yeah, it was pretty loud. And my 80 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.120 son looked at me and I was looking up at him. 81 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.680 He said, big foot. I said, chaund like it. He said, well, 82 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.160 I think we'd better go, And so we packed up 83 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:27.759 and came back up to the house. Then later, you know, 84 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.720 we still didn't know what quite was going on out 85 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.199 here because it was getting busy and the guy hops 86 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.199 for getting crazy. I was out chainsaw on and I 87 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.360 had noo of them come up behind me and uh, 88 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.480 and we're growling at me while I was running the chainsaw, 89 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.279 and I couldn't hear them, And when I killed that chainsaw, 90 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.480 I could hear them. Well, then here comes my dogs 91 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.120 jumping on him and running them off. Well, I thought, 92 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:53.319 I told Karen. I said, well, we need to get 93 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:58.160 it in for red camera, and so she agreed, and 94 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.519 uh so we got one and we strick got it 95 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.399 for the coyotes. And I'm using it and I'm looking 96 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.800 and about the only time we've ever seen anything with 97 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:12.079 it during bad weather, and we see a few things. 98 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.480 We see some orbs and stuff like that with it, 99 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.680 and we thought, man, now it's killer. That was awesome. 100 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.800 And so it was Christmas night. I had the whole 101 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.199 family out here. We had seven grandkids out here, both 102 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:29.160 of my kids and their spouses, and we're all playing 103 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:33.319 with puzzles and doing puzzles. And I had that infrared 104 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.959 camera already set up on a tripod on the back porch. 105 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.240 It was in sleep mode. All I had to do 106 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.839 was hit it and it come on. And so they 107 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.959 were doing their thing, and I'm not into puzzles, So 108 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.000 when they got settled into the puzzles, I just come 109 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:50.800 on back porch and sit down in a chair in 110 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.519 front of it, and then I just turned it on. 111 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.120 When I turned it on, I was looking through it 112 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.480 and about oh one hundred and thirty yards to the 113 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:01.639 back end of my pasture, right behind my house, there's 114 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:07.000 a tree line there. He was a little further south 115 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:10.160 on the tree line was one eye. Now I thought 116 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.040 an owl, you know, had to be an owl. But 117 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.240 this storm, this front was coming in. There was like 118 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.759 seventy miles an hour wind coming out of the north, 119 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.319 and but I skinned past it because I'm looking for 120 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.439 kyots on the ground. And when I come back to it, well, 121 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:29.439 there's two. There's two there. And I was like, well, 122 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.079 that's crazy. There's two owls in that treeway down there, 123 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.800 and there, you know, and they're not moving in this 124 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:36.399 seventy mile an hour wind. 125 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:38.240 Still in the same spot. 126 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:44.560 Still in the exact same spot. And then it started 127 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.279 turning back to its left. And when he was turning left, 128 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.800 I watched his left eye just disappear and just to 129 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.199 see his right eye, and it still looked bright, shiny. 130 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.480 I never looked at it over the infrared camera because 131 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.199 that infrared, because I played with it enough. If you 132 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.040 look over it, you're not gonna see nothing because it's 133 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.480 so bright right in your face. And you know, I mean, 134 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.399 you're just blind if you look over it. And so 135 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:15.000 I'm staying on it and I'm trying to look see 136 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.319 where Karen is to get her attention and it's going 137 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.160 it's going north. Then it steps down about it looked 138 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.240 like a foot and back up and I mean, this 139 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:29.480 is just as smooth as silk. It went down and 140 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.600 then back up and it got to this big hickory 141 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.519 tree at the end there and uh and then that 142 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.879 eye just slowly turned away from me and disappeared. And 143 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.559 this time, I'm I'm zooming in with this camera. I 144 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.080 got it zoomed into ten and I can see his 145 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:50.440 elbows all the way to the top of his head, 146 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:55.559 his shoulders as he turned, and he took maybe one 147 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.759 and a half steps, and I mean, and he was 148 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:04.240 down in the canyon after that. And like I said, 149 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.080 I mean, it was just smooth as can be. And 150 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:13.960 so and what was crazy? That was Christmas night and 151 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.039 I hadn't told my son about this. I didn't tell him, 152 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:20.240 you know, because he wasn't totally you know, on the 153 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.960 fence with it, right, And so I didn't tell him. 154 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.120 And so the next morning, you know, because they were 155 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:32.080 staying in his hunting cabin just south of us, and 156 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:35.559 they come up here to eat breakfast, and we sat 157 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.639 up here and we're drinking coffee and looking at the 158 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.679 pond and looking out over the canyon and we're just 159 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.759 eating and drinking and I'm looking at him, and he 160 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:49.159 freezes up and he's looking exactly where I seen those 161 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:54.159 eyes the very first time. And he's zoned in and 162 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.320 and I'm not saying nothing to him, and I'm just 163 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.480 I quit talking and I'm just kind of looking at him. 164 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:00.399 And then he stands up and walks by behind me, 165 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.240 and he said something staring at me, and then it 166 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.240 went about and he pointed out the exact spot where 167 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.600 that hickory tree where it went off and down into 168 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.320 the canyon. He said something something to look at me. 169 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.279 I could feel it, he said. It's I mean, he 170 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.320 was freaking out, and you know, and he was in 171 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:19.360 the military for eight years and he was a combat 172 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.679 medic and I mean he's got purple hearts like crazy, 173 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.279 and uh, I mean he he honed he honed right 174 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.399 in on that. And he's just not scared of anything. 175 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.960 You know. Now he's on board because of the footprint, 176 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:37.720 and uh, I mean, and I'm still trying to chill 177 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.600 him out because he's not scared of nothing. 178 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.360 Have you gone to that spot and looked back towards 179 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:43.159 your house from it? 180 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.799 Oh? Yeah, you can see our big screen TV. You, 181 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:48.960 I can watch it from there from where he was 182 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.080 first standing. Yeah, from where he was worth standing at 183 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.440 one hundred and thirty yards. I can tell you who's 184 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.840 on TV and who's not, you know, the actors, And 185 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:00.639 that's exactly where he was. He was watching our party. 186 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:03.480 Any idea how tall it was? 187 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:08.399 Yeah, I think it was like today's Four days later, 188 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.080 my wife care She went got a broomstick and take 189 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.759 take measure to it. And I set up the exactly 190 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:19.120 where I was, and I knew exactly how tall he 191 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.240 was because I mean it was winter time, but some 192 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.120 of those smaller black jack trees won't lose all their leaves, 193 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.759 and he had walked behind it and I could see 194 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.559 his eyes just on the most level with the top 195 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.440 of it. And so she went down there and she 196 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:40.919 measured it to the eyes. Was nine foot. Yeah, it 197 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:41.720 was nine foot. 198 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.159 And that it also explained the step down, because I said, well, 199 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.639 there's a boulder and then there's a big gap, and 200 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:48.799 then there's another boulder. 201 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:53.600 Yeah. Yeah, everything was there for it for him stepping 202 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.519 down and back up and dunking under a tree. Maybe 203 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:59.480 you know, there was a whole lot more trees there 204 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.120 at one time, or a tornado. 205 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.279 But now, Karen, what did you think whenever he said 206 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:06.200 he saw a bigfoot. 207 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.879 At that point, we hadn't conversed a whole lot about 208 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.279 all of our individual things that had gone on. But 209 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.440 on Christmas Day, I was on the back porch with 210 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.320 grandkids and the eight year old grandson was kind of 211 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.039 sitting in my lap and we're just watching everybody play 212 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.600 and he's kind of chilling with me, and we heard 213 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.120 wood knocks on the opposite side of our pond, and 214 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:32.720 I mean, he. 215 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:33.200 Looks at me. 216 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.559 I look at him and he's like, Trama, did you 217 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:35.840 hear that. 218 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:36.480 I'm like, yep. 219 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:38.759 I was like, yep, yep, I did. And he goes, 220 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:40.759 I think that's a bigfoot. And I was like, because 221 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.120 he's all into bigfoot, and I was like that. I mean, 222 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.279 because you live out in the country, you hear stuff 223 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.679 all the time. That's a very distinct somebody took a 224 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:52.440 piece of wood and wopped the tree. 225 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:53.600 That's not something. 226 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:57.919 Breaking, it's not a rock falling. I mean, it's a 227 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:02.159 very distinct, sharp noise. But like I said, I didn't 228 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:03.679 even tell I didn't. 229 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:04.200 Tell my husband. 230 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.559 It was just between me and the grandson like, yep, yep, 231 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:11.240 I heard that. Boy, yes I did, And then he 232 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:15.360 had his thing that happened that night, and then after everybody. 233 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:16.639 Left, he's like, I got to talk to you, and I. 234 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.039 Was like, okay, So that's actually the night I think 235 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.960 that we really started opening up about all the individual 236 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.440 things that had happened up over probably the last six 237 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.919 months prior to this, you know, start kind of in 238 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:32.639 the summer up to Christmas time. 239 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.240 That's when we started talking, and a whole bunch of 240 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.039 stuff happened to her and me different but was exactly 241 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.799 the same. Yeah. 242 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.919 Yeah, and then we just kind of became I think 243 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:49.279 we just got more aware of things that were going 244 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:51.519 on around our house that we just kind of were 245 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:55.240 oblivious to before kind of just made an excuse like, oh, 246 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:56.039 it's probably just. 247 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.799 This or you know, you just but we have been 248 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.399 hearing the screams. I mean, we knew deep down it 249 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.679 was out here because we've heard lots of screams. We've 250 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:12.360 heard the ohio HOI that big roar. The first time 251 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:17.720 I heard it, we heard it either, and I feel 252 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.879 like it was two of them, scream like a woman 253 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.720 being murdered and a national joke, but it was and 254 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:31.080 that had to be about three hundred yards away, and 255 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.720 we've heard and it was so deep and so long, 256 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.279 and it was a scream, and it felt and it 257 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:40.320 felt feminine, you know like that at first one I heard, 258 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.759 it was definitely a male. I mean when it started out, 259 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:46.639 it sounded like a guy, humongous guy. 260 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:50.039 But this you gave the analogy of you felt like 261 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.240 somebody walked along and stubbed their toe and just did 262 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.399 an angry scream out. 263 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.440 Into the world. That's what it sounded like. Yeah. Yeah, 264 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:02.000 And then down down at the other end of the 265 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.720 property and you know, we've heard the siren where it started, 266 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.639 but it never but then it just shut off abruptly. 267 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:15.200 It got so high and so loud, but it it 268 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.840 was sharp, and I mean it resonated through the whole canyon. 269 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:23.519 There's been a couple of nights that we've been out here. 270 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.840 That it's hoodows, but it's not hoodolves, because they're not 271 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:31.039 very good imitations of That was with. 272 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.879 The two screams we had over here. Yeah, it screamed 273 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:37.120 real loud, and I went to go find crant Caren 274 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.159 and and when I was doing it, it screamed again. 275 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:43.519 I couldn't believe it screamed again, and when when it 276 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.519 got done, it sounded like there was fifty hoodos over 277 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:51.320 there who and sounded like monkeys at the same time. 278 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.360 And that went on that she heard that, she didn't 279 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.720 hear the screams, she heard the aftermath party of it. 280 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:02.879 And and we only think they had killed one of 281 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.600 my neighbor's cows over there. But they're so tight lift 282 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.039 they wouldn't talk to us. They wouldn't tell us nothing, right, 283 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:13.120 they wouldn't they wouldn't say nothing. 284 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.720 Do the vocalizations, and everything seemed to be coming from 285 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.480 the same general area. 286 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.360 I mean, you could see on the map how our 287 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:28.159 house is set up, and everything seems west and south, 288 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:34.840 and it all stems along the canyon. 289 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:38.080 Yeah, we have a canyon that runs along our lower 290 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.559 property line in it is either a river or a creek. 291 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:47.879 So they just kind of follow that, and I mean, 292 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.639 they they stay on that. And I've only the only 293 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.960 time I've heard them on top up here was when 294 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.200 they did the two screens, and then when it was 295 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.639 and then we had an incident in the front yard 296 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.319 with it. But that's also not a couple of two 297 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:05.880 or three times. 298 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.640 Yeah, it just seems like when we have family over 299 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.160 with kids and they're out here playing a lot of noise, 300 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.759 that is almost a guarantee. 301 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.240 That we're going to have something happen, something happened. If 302 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.759 you set out here long enough, you'll hear something happened 303 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.599 once with them. Kids have been out playing and screaming 304 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:29.519 and raising heck, especially earlier this summer, after like in August, 305 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.720 we were bottom four wheelers and they've been tearing up 306 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:38.400 this back pasture. And I've heard, you know, I heard 307 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.359 of quite a few knocks in September, and I heard 308 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.119 a roar and three knocks in a row that same 309 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:50.519 night in September of the nineteenth of this just last month. 310 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:57.720 And we've had children's voices happened when there's no children here, 311 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.880 which is kind of scary, disconcerting. I don't know exactly 312 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:09.319 what herm it is creepy. I don't go looking for I. 313 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:12.519 I rationed it out in my brain and I'm like, 314 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:14.640 there's nobody up here, there are no kids out here 315 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:16.559 playing in the yard. You just need to go inside 316 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.200 and not deal with that. 317 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.200 That's that's when we talked to each other, because she 318 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:25.559 had two experiences like that, and we had I had 319 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.400 two and we had one together, and we just couldn't 320 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.440 figure it out. I mean, we went and drove to 321 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.920 check it out and whatever. I drove to check what 322 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:40.160 I heard out, and there's just nobody there, and I 323 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.640 can hear it plain as day, you know. Uh, it 324 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.880 sounded like guys working, you know. Yeah. His was more 325 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.640 adult voice, and yeah, hers was all kids. Yeah. 326 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.400 It sounds like people talking to one another. 327 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:01.160 Yeah, yeah, I mean exactly just right behind my pondam 328 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.200 And my ponddam is about thirty foot tall. Yeah, so 329 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.599 we can't see anything behind it, so they could be 330 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.799 right there, you know, doing it. And that's where it 331 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.240 sounded like it's from. I was out here cooking breakfast 332 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.519 and and it was just quiet compete until all that, 333 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.920 and it almost sounded like laughing and everything. I thought, Man, 334 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.119 I wonder what they're doing back there, because we got 335 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.680 an old well over there, you know. I thought, well, 336 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.039 maybe somebody was working on the well. And I go 337 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.799 through the other gate and then the well gate and 338 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.559 none of them been opened, and there wasn't nobody in sight, 339 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:42.480 nobody around here anywhere. And then then it happened two 340 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:46.720 days later, I was cooking my lunch out here and 341 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.039 I heard it south east of me, in front of 342 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.279 the house, around you know, around the corner, back around 343 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.599 the house, which was weird. And I thought, man, how 344 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:00.599 am I hearing all this? And so I go get 345 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:02.759 in the truck because there's a well down that way 346 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.079 about about a mile and I went drove all the 347 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.960 way down to it, and there's when there's just nobody 348 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.000 up here. And I told Karen. I said, well, I 349 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.759 think I'm going crazy. She said, what is that? And 350 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.519 I said, well, man, I'm hearing voices. I mean I'm 351 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:23.119 hearing them everywhere, and I'm driving looking and She's like, 352 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.640 oh my god, let me tell you. And then she 353 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.240 told me her story, you know, of pulling up here 354 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.799 and thinking our grand babies were out here playing. You know, 355 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.519 she could hear them playing and then sound like they 356 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.000 was going behind the chicken barn and then'd get quiet 357 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:43.519 and then get golaud again and giggling. They were just 358 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:44.799 giggling for her. 359 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:47.359 It sounded like little kids giggling. 360 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.759 Yeah, like little kids running around playing tag or something, 361 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:52.920 trying to catch each other. 362 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.960 And you could tell they was running behind the chicken 363 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:58.759 bar and do, yeah. 364 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.519 Because it you know, would get loud and soft, you know, 365 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.200 when that something would go behind the barn. But I 366 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.480 mean I'm looking, I'm looking as far as I can 367 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:11.279 over there, and I never saw anything. But again, once 368 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:13.640 I rationed it out in my brain, like there's nobody 369 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:15.119 up here, I don't need to go look. 370 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.480 There's just there's no kids here. Right. 371 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:24.240 How far is that that location, the old chicken barn 372 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.400 location from say the nearest tree line. 373 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.440 One hundred feet maybe eighty feet. 374 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:34.200 Yeah, it was all it was. They had to have 375 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.000 been in that tall grass in my in my pasture 376 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.039 on it. Then we had a lot more trees in 377 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.440 before the tornado and and but it was real, you know, 378 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.359 it was chest high yellow grass through there and that 379 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:51.960 I hadn't brush hogged. And she feels like they were 380 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.079 in that tall grass. 381 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:59.000 Yeah, yeah, and evergreens, and they you could easily walk 382 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.279 away from you and I'd never see you see them 383 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:03.240 because of all the trees that we had at the time. 384 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:10.079 It's just really interesting to me because this is at 385 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.599 your house and that incident. You know, we talked about 386 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.440 it a little bit yesterday on the phone. That was 387 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.880 at like around five o'clock in the afternoon, yes, right, 388 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.920 and they're comfortable enough that they're coming up on the 389 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:28.400 property in broad daylight. 390 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:34.279 Yeah, yep, yeah, and they and they were behind that pond, 391 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.759 damn at eight o'clock. And I've been pushed, you know, 392 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.599 I've been I come out here every morning and cook 393 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.839 you know, my breakfast, and then the second when it 394 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.000 was at noon. Right. 395 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:48.839 And you know, up until last year, our grandkids, my son, 396 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:51.319 his wife and the grandkids lived on the property. They 397 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:53.720 were in a different house, but they lived on the property. 398 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.880 So they're up here making noise all the time, and 399 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.599 we just think it was the kids. They don't they 400 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:02.720 didn't let them play outside at their house so much 401 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.119