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Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. You're listening

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to the fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Here is your host, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast. As we

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record on this Tuesday, January the thirteenth, twenty twenty six,

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I'm your host is always George Hobbes. Hope this message

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finds you well. Weather's beautiful here today, about fifty one

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fifty two degrees, very gentle breeze. Me and missus fact

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Hunter took a nice long walk this morning, a very

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beautiful day. I hope everybody's doing well as we continue

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to forge our way through the Banana Republic. You know,

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there's no shortage of things to talk about. And every Wednesday,

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the day after the podcast, I start collecting ideas. Right,

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we have a whole list of ideas and we start

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dwindling them down, trying to, you know, think which one

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would be most appropriate, fitting for the situations. And it's

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really impossible to do in this day and age because

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there's so much going on, this information overload. One second

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it's I Ran, the next second it's Israel, It's this

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and that, today. I wrote an article on property taxes

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that'll drop Wednesday morning for Substack. Right, the illusion of

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freedom that we do with not just here in the

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United States but.

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Speaker 4: Around the world.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so today the main topic we're going to

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talk about, we're going to get back into the technocracy

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that we deal with, whether it's DARP, the CIA, the

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National Intelligence Agency NSA. Right, how much did the CIA

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and the NSA have to do with the funding of Google?

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And it's interesting that, you know, when the Internet came

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to be, there was all these different search engines, right,

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but Google was the one that was pushed to the front,

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to the point where it wasn't you know, hey, let's

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get on the search engine. It was let's google it

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like a Kleenex.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Most people don't say tissue, they say Cleenex, even if

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it's not the name brand of Kleenex. So obviously Google.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Everything is an information war. So if they control the narrative,

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they can control your minds. And it was very important

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to them to make sure to get Google in place.

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So the narrative, when you put in a question, they

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feed you the answer.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you want to look what you're truly looking for,

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you have to go maybe seven, eight, nine, even ten

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pages into the search results to find what you're looking for, yandex.

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I've gotten many emails from people I've been I was

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recommending Index for a long time now at even scenes

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that that's been compromised. So I don't know if anybody

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has a good search engine that they can recommend. Hit

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us up on email the fact hunner at mail dot com.

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Speaking of emails, one of the most, you know, top

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questions I get is, hey, can you recommend some books?

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And I recommend the usual, you know, behold a Pale Horse,

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Pardon me, things of that nature. But I wanted to

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let you know what I'm reading right now. Two books

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that I'm reading The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Read.

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It was re released in eighty five. I think it

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was originally written in the fifties, maybe the early sixties.

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And Douglas read really, you know, he does a deep

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dive into many of these sinister forces behind, you know,

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the unrest of this world and the revolutions, and it really,

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I mean, it goes back to the time of Christ,

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the last two thousand years and the subversion of Zion,

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and it's a very compelling read, and I'm sure as

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old as the book is, you can probably read it

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for free on archive dot org right, download it, get

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it on a flash drive or something, you know. And me,

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I like to have physical copies of the book. I

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have to go out by another bookcase and find a

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place for it in this office because I'm out of

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room with all the books I have for school, et cetera.

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But you know there's going to come a time in

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a place where there's going to be a Fahrenheit four

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fifty one, a digital book burning. Right, they already kind

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of cleansed Behold a Pale Horse. They got rid of

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chapter fifteen. That's why I went on eBay and bought mine,

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one of the original nineteen ninety one editions. But it's

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a very good book. The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Read.

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The other book I'm reading is by Steven I think

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it's pronounced Drucker d r uk Er, and it's Altered Genes,

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Twisted truth, how the venture to genetically engineer our food

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has subverted science, corrupted government, and systematically deceived the public.

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Speaker 4: And apparently a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of the kind of infamous people who explore GMO

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foods and that thing on Rumble, et cetera. This is

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and I haven't really delved too deep into it yet,

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but it looks like a promising read. The reviews are

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through the roof. You can get it for about fifteen

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twenty bucks. It's available on audiobook on Audible, and again

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you can find it on archive dot org and speak.

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near future with the GMO foods of that nature. I

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came across an article by ty Ballinger and we've read

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his stuff on here before, the top ten cancer causing foods.

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them were a little surprising and kind of raised my

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eyebrows because I grill food all the time. So let's

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jump into this. Experts estimate that more than half the

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cases of cancer are preventable with lifestyle changes.

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Speaker 4: Again, that's obvious.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twelve, the World Health Organization reported more than

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fourteen million new cases of cancer, which resulted in more

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than eight point two million deaths worldwide. By the way,

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I should mention Dulbert creator Scott Adams passed away today.

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That's pretty much been consuming X today in the topic

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of conversation. I guess his ex wife came on and

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announced his death today. And the good news is he

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did accept Christ as his Lord and Savior before he

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passed away, So you know, we're hoping that was the case,

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right for sure? The top five most diagnosed cancers and

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men lung prostate, colon's, stomach, liver the top five and

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women breast colon, lung, cervix, stomach. I point this out

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to you because you'll note that several of the most

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common and aggressive cancers have to do with your gastro

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Speaker 4: That is, the function.

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Speaker 3: Your body uses to process the food you eat, distribute

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it around to your body as needed, and it does

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its best to dump the leftover toxins obviously, right, So

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they go on to say, understanding possible causes of cancer

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comes down to understanding that the causes of gene mutations,

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et cetera. Chemicals like carcinogens, radiation, obesity, hormones, chronic inflammation, smoking, right,

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number of other factors have been found to be cancer causing.

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alternative medicine, in the truth community, who have their own

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beliefs on what cancer comes from and the alkalinity, et

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cetera that have to do with it. Now, the author

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goes on to mention an interview with Bob Wright from

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the American Anti Cancer Institute for the Quest for the

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Cures docu series, And again, I'll tell you, if you

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go look at all the nonprofits in the world and

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you look at the money, whether it's the American Heart Association,

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the American Cancer Association, Muscular dystrophy, and you look at

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the hundreds of millions of dollars that go through these nonprofits,

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and that's just what's accounted for, you begin to wonder

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do they even really want to solve any of these issues?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: You look at some of the salaries that the CEOs

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of nonprofits are making, some of them are making six

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million dollars a year. Right, if they find a cure

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that gravy train stops, that's that's a legitimate question to ask.

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at the nonprofits for yourself. Put whatever you know nonprofit

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and then put nine to ninety and then click on

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that pro public a file and look for yourself. That's

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a legitimate question to have. Do they really want to

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find a solution to these problems? Knowing that the elitists

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that run this world, their number one rule is they

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want to keep the world's population at five hundred million.

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So if they, you know, we found something that completely

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eliminated cancer number one, that kills their gravy train, and

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that's not helping with their world population numbers. So again

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that's something to consider, right, So let's talk about it.

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The top ten cancer causing foods to cut your cancer

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risk in half and number one far and away, and

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I completely agree with this is genetically modified foods. Right

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twenty years ago, George was not taking every you know,

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whether it's craft macaroni and cheese or fruity pebbles or

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you know, pasta. I was just throwing it in the cart.

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I didn't care. But one of the awakenings as you

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venture through the truth community that you come to is

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you know, medical and the foods and how it's been

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altered and this insanely wrapped growing industry of genetically modified crops.

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They are infiltrating our food supply at an alarming rate.

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More than ninety percent of our corn and soy are

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now genetically modified. That's shocking. And again this is a

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fairly new practice and it's the source of many a

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Speaker 4: Pardon me. You know, we do our best to.

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Speaker 3: Look for GMO free labels if it's on there or

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you know the thing, now, this product contains bioengineer foods.

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It goes straight back like we used to love the

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Pillsbury biscuits because they're easy.

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Speaker 4: You know, you just throw them in the oven for

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fifteen minutes and they're good to go.

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Speaker 3: But now we take the extra time making ourselves with

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unbleached flour. And you know, we have one of those

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neutral grains. I think it's called I bought for my wife.

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the berries and grinds them up. We make our own flour.

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convenience has consequences. Number two microwave popcorn from the chemically

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lined bag to the actual contents. Microwave popcorn is at

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the center of lung cancer debates around the world. Not

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only are the kernels and oil likely GMO as well, which,

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by the way, did you know the manufacturer does not

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have to disclose unless it's organic. And then you have

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the fumes released from the artificial butter flavoring that contains

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diacetyle I think it's called, and that's toxic to humans.

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The FDA that is supposed to you know, your tax money,

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be looking out for you. Oh no, that's fine, right,

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it the old schoolway on the stovetop. Number three, canned

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goods and listen. As I think a few years ago,

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back in twenty three, I considered myself a pretty hardcore prepper.

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I've eased back on that right because I think whatever comes,

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no matter how much you're prepared for, inevitably you're going

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to have to make a choice. You can only prepare

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so much. Another thing, I ran into many of the things,

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like when it came to canned goods, they were expiring.

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I was wasting money, so we invested.

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Speaker 3: I think it's called harvest Ridge freeze dryer. We got

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the medium one, I think, and we do a lot

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of freeze drying, so like we'll scramble some eggs and

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freeze dry them and they're good for twenty five years.

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your money on that. And in the winter time we

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and it makes the process quicker. Again, is it, you know,

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affordable for everyone? Is it convenient from everyone?

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Speaker 3: But can goods, you know, there's so much different than

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cans are lined with a product called I think it's

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bisphenol a, which is BPA, and that's been shown to

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genetically alter the brain cells of rats. Right, And you

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have all these plastic goods, thermal paper, water lines, and

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show where we delve deep into the mercury, into the

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fillings that they were using for so long. And was

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that you know that woman did the interview, she was

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convinced that her tumor came at the behesse of her

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mercury filling. So it says, help protect your DNA by

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, convenience isn't always good, as we say. Right now,

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here's an interesting one that number four grilled red meat.

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I grill at least two times a week. Now it

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says while grilled food can taste delicious, scientists have discovered

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that preparing meats in this way, especially processed meats like

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hot dogs. Now, we don't eat processed Oscar Mayer or

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anything like that. Occasionally we will, but we get it

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called has Haass and one in Hartley that we use

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as well, Boatine Farms, and that's where we get our

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pork and our beef and things of that nature. And

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obviously we do our own chickens. The Amish does them

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for us. They process them four dollars apiece. But it

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talks about that it releases a carcinogen called heterocyclic, a

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rheumatic means. And when you grill red meat to the

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point of well done, which I do not it most.

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a medium rare guy. But it talks about, and this

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point of well done, it changes the chemical and molecular

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structure of the meat, and it says you're better off baking, broiling,

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or preparing meat in a skillet than on a grill. Now,

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is George going to change the way he cooks. No,

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biggest thing is, Yeah, I don't cook meat well done,

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Speaker 4: But to each their own.

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refined sugar right, captain obvious, Right, that that's obvious, salted, pickled,

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Speaker 3: These are intended to prolong shelf life. Now they're not

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talking about the pickle foods that you make at home,

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or the fermented foods you make at home. They're talking

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about the ones you buy at the grocery store. Okay,

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Number seven soda and carbonated beverages. Obviously, the high fructose

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corn syrup, right, just absolutely horrifying for your body.

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Speaker 4: Eight White flour. Right.

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Speaker 3: When flour is refined, all nutritional value is removed. So

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what they do is they bleach it with clearing gas

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to make it more appealing to consumers. So get unbleached

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flour if you can't do the nutrientil and make your own. Okay,

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farmed fish, right. Commercial fish farming involves raising a number

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of fish, such as salmon, in a crowded environment. More

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States comes from a farming operation where they are treated

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with antibiotics, pesticides, and other carcinage carcinogenic chemicals. So, right,

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we know the chickens that are in like the Purdue

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and those, you know, a lot of those are jacked

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up with hormones. They grow really fast. And you know,

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you don't really think of fish that way, but you

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so you know, two out of every three fish that

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are on the market come from a fish farm. Lastly,

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these hydrogenated and seed oils.

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Speaker 3: These oils that are out there, particularly the seed oils.

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And it's very interesting to look at. I'll put this

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article in the show description so you can check it out.

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The first one, you know, it's the theme of the

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CIA today and Charlie Kirk said that the CIA was

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actively involved in the manipulation of the minds of the

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American citizens.

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Speaker 6: Central Intelligence Agency is actively involved in mind manipulation of

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people here domestically, and that is completely against the CIA charter.

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You must understand, we have Congress and they're just kind

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of like a peanut gallery, and then we have a

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super government that exists above Congress of the Department of Defense,

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which is the Pentagon, the Central Intelligence Agency, which is

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his own thing out Langley, the Federal Beer of Investigation.

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They run the country. The Intel agencies run the country.

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Speaker 3: And he was right, the Intel agencies run the country.

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Speaker 4: Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the things Charlie Kirk said

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within the last year, including what he said about Israel,

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I believe led to his demise. And I know I've

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gotten a lot of emails people are saying, Hey, when

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are you going to do the episode on Charlie Kirk

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in the next two or three weeks? Now next week,

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two episodes next week. You'll get a traditional fact hunner

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Speaker 4: I think you're going to enjoy that.

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Speaker 3: The next clip is who Benefited From September.

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Speaker 7: Eleventh, nine to eleven is what made me realize that

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we are living in what John Rappaport calls the matrix

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of lies. It's now known that the Twin Towers were

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condemned in nineteen eighty eight, and they became an immediate

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two billion dollar insurance out the tross on the states

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of New York and New Jersey. People need to understand

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that the Twin Towers were owned by the Poort Authority

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of New York and New Jersey until July of the year,

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in which Zionist Israel took down the twin Towers with

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the complicity of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. What I

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believed happened is that in nineteen ninety Dick Cheney was

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privately briefed by Benjamin Nett Yahoo, and they said, Praise

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be to the Lord, this is a terrorist incident in

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the future that will justify a police state in the

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United States and endless war brought. It's absolutely crystal clear

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that nine eleven was controlled demolisious and that the Pentagon

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was either a missile or an inside out explosion. First off,

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the engines and the wings never go into the building.

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Second off, you have luggage and body parts and seats.

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in nine to eleven. Before and after the fact, CIA

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and the FBI confiscated videotapes of evidence. This was a

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US government operation. So nine to eleven is what turned

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me on to the reality that my govern that was

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lying to us about everything.

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Speaker 6: I'm not allowed to say certain things, So I decided

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to reveal the hidden truth in this ebook.

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Speaker 4: If you there, you.

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Speaker 3: Go, very classic audio clip there and again. You could

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do a podcast every week on nine to eleven and

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never run out of things to talk about. You know,

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there's so much accountability that is needed in this country,

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but we're so busy focusing on the next thing, the

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next audio clip. This is a very infamous speech from

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nineteen fifty eight. I'd be interested to know how many

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of you've heard this before. Robert Welsh and the subversion

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of America.

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Speaker 5: There are three possible methods by which the Commonists might

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take us over. One would be by a peaceful coupit tar,

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as in Czechoslovakia in nineteen forty eight. The second method

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would be by fomenting civil war in this country and

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aiding the common Ast side with military might. But there

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is a third method which they are clearly relying on

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most heavily, and this is taking us over by a

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process so gradual and insidious that communist rule is slipped

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over so far on the American people before they ever

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realize it is happening. The process in that direction is

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going on right now, gradually but surely, and with ever

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increasing spread and speed. A part of that plan of course,

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is to induce the gradual surrender of American sovereignty, peace

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by peace, and step by step to various international organizations,

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of which the United Nations is the outstanding but far

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from the only example. For another part is the conversion

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of the United States into a socialist nation quite similar

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to Russia itself in its economy and political outlook, before

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police state enforcement is ever introduced. The best way to

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explain the aim here is simply to quote the directive

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under which some of the very largest American foundations have

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been secretly but visibly working for years. This directive is

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so to change the economic and political structure of the

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United States that it can be comfortably merged with Soviet Russia.

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Here are the communist aims for the United States. One

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greatly expanded government spending for every conceivable means of getting

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rid of ever larger sums of American money as wastefully

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as possible. Two higher and then much higher taxes. Three

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an increasingly unbalanced budget despite the higher taxes. Four wild

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inflation of our currency. Five government controls of prices, wages,

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and materials, supposedly to come back inflation. Six greatly increased

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socialistic controls over every operation of our economy and every

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activity of our daily lives. This is to be accompanied

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naturally and automatically by a correspondingly huge increase in the

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size of our bureaucracy and in both the cost and

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reach of our domestic government. Seven far more centralization of

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power in Washington, and the practical elimination of our state lines.

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There is a many faceted drive at work to have

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our state lines eventually mean no more within the nation

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than our county lines do now within the states. Eight.

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The steady advance of federal aid to and control over

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our educational system, leading to complete federalization of our public education. Nine,

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a constant hammering into the American consciousness of the horror

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of modern warfare, the beauties and the absolute necessity of peace,

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peace always on commonist terms of course. And ten the

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consequent willingness of the American people to allow the steps

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of appeasement by our government which amount to a peacemeal

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surrender of the rest of the free world and of

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the United States itself. In summary, gentlemen, we are losing,

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rapidly losing, a cold war in which our freedom, our country,

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and our very existence are at state and while we

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don't seem to know we are losing this war, you

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can be sure the commonists do. There is just one thing,

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only one thing in the whole world, which the commonists

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fear today. It is that despite that tremendous influence in

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our government and over all of our means of mass communication,

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American people will wake up too soon. So what has

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really been happening and what is now happening right under

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their very noses. The only thing which can possibly stop

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the Commonists is for the American people to learn the

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truth in time.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: That was seventy years ago, sixty eight years ago, to

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be exact, and everything you said is pretty much spot

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on right. Becoming a socialist country, spending like crazy, unbalanced budgets,

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on and on and on. Mister Welch was very much

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not He didn't want us to be a part of NATO.

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He didn't want anything to do with United Nations. He

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didn't want it. He opposed strongly the United States role

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in Vietnam. He didn't want us being there, right.

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Speaker 4: He was one. I think he was the co.

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Speaker 3: Founder of the John Birch Society before it was hijack

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many many years ago. But he was you know, you

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talk about away. This guy knew that the Rothchilds and

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the Rockefellers and organizations, organizations pardon me, such as the Builderbergers,

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the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission had

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this unwielding power on our country. And you know, again,

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if you speak truth, you're going to get marginalized. You're

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going to get called a conspiracy theorist, you're going to

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get called a radical. And that's what happened to mister Welsh.

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That was just a part of his speech. And you

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can just put, you know, Robert Welch nineteen fifty eight

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speech into YouTube or rumble and I'm sure you'll be

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able to find the full speech. He was very much

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ahead of his time. The next clip is about a

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minute and a half and it's about Albert Pike and Freemasonry.

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I believe this is my tex Mars clip of the week.

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Speaker 8: Albert Pike said this about Freemasonry in this very book.

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He says that Freemasonry is based almost totally on the

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Kabbala Jewish magic. Yes, and many Jewish rabbis have admitted this,

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and they say that in all of the rituals of Freemasonry,

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and you will find the Kabbala, the system of magic

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of the Jews. For example, the thirtieth degree of Freemasonry

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is the Knights of Kdosh, and it involves skulls and

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black robes and a night laying in a coffin, speaking

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from the Danes, and all of this, this turning to

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the god of the underworld, the gods of the underworld,

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is all related to Jewish Kabbala, because they believe in necromancy,

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communication with the dead, and they believe that at the

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in the last days, a Kabbalistic master will come upon

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the earth and there will be a Jewish utopia, a

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new world order of the Jews. But they must go

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along with what are called the noah Idlaws and the

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good gentiles, and go along with Kabbala. And if they

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are and if they.

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Speaker 2: Recognize that the Holy Spirit.

477
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Speaker 8: Is the Serpent, and by the way, that's also taught

478
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in the thirty second degree of Freemasonry, that that is

479
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the serpent is the Holy Spirit, and he is going

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to encircle the.

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Speaker 3: Earth, there you go the great Late text Mars. Now

482
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many months ago I played you a clip from a

483
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professor in China, and it got a lot of attention,

484
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and his viewership on YouTube has gone up.

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Speaker 4: And this is a.

486
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Speaker 3: Really brief ninety second clip of this professor calling out

487
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Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Google, Facebook and their origin stories.

488
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And this is something we've been talking about for years,

489
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that these are agents playing roles on the world stage.

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Speaker 2: Bill Gates, m M. Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 9: Really strange this ninety year a guy drops out from

492
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Harvard and founds Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and now as a billionaire. How does that happen? Guys?

494
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Speaker 10: Well, I must be an American dream Oh SHATGPT Guys,

495
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really strange. If you don't dream and you just followed,

496
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you can be a billionaire in America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's all just a scam, right, Google, It's all

499
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just a scam.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

501
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Speaker 11: What you need to understand about these companies is they

502
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were all founded with US military tkeology that is public okay, Internet,

503
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,440
it's a US military technology. Google, these search engines, it's

504
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all US military technology and give into these guys for free.

505
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Speaker 2: Why do they do that? Okay?

506
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Speaker 9: Again, if you think that we're rule by singer societies

507
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and it's really sic society, is that you control the

508
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world and they want the signology out there and the

509
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better to better shubail people. It makes a lot more sense,

510
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right because of the Pentagon said, Hey, whether it's free

511
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computer that you can use, you'd be like, I'm gonna

512
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use this computer because you'll spire me.

513
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Speaker 8: Right.

514
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Speaker 9: But if Mark Zuckerberg says, hey, free Facebook, guys want

515
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to use it, You're like, yeah, sure Facebook, Yeah he said,

516
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dword from Harvard. Of course he can be trusted, right,

517
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,519
same same strategy.

518
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Speaker 2: Okay, guys.

519
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Speaker 3: All love that is meant to spy on us. Obviously,

520
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Lifelog was created by DARPA and it ended and the

521
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next day Facebook right came to life colleges. Pardon me,

522
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:09,359
the CIA recruits in the colleges, they find the smartest

523
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of the smart and do they compromise them, right, like

524
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,119
honeypot type of deals. I don't know, or do they

525
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,559
just you know, do you want to come work for

526
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,759
the government, you know, have a crazy expenditure account. You're

527
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you're going to play the role of the founder of Facebook.

528
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But understand that the circumstances in which you agree, you know.

529
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But again, they don't always just go to Joe Schmoe

530
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up the street. All of these people are from families right,

531
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Bezo's father part of the military industrial complex, all of

532
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,680
these people. It's very much a bloodline thing, right Now,

533
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,799
are there certain people who were super smart out of

534
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,759
this world who they deem they want?

535
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Speaker 4: You know?

536
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Speaker 3: Obviously, yeah, of course right that that's the reason Operation

537
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paper Clip happened. Right one day these people were their

538
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,960
sworn enemies. The next day they were fighting with Russia

539
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,599
to get them and to work with NASA and all

540
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these other people there. They were the smartest of the smart.

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Speaker 8: Right.

542
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Speaker 3: A last clip of the day is the darker side

543
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of the Truman Show. And we talked a lot about

544
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the nine to eleven Towers one and two, what they represented.

545
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And this gentleman noticed the same thing in the Truman.

546
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Speaker 12: Show vie about a free Mason's journey to enlightenment. So

547
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,440
what kicks off Truman's journey to enlightenment? The falling canister

548
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from the ceiling, labeled Serious Serious is known as the

549
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Morning Star, the fallen angel Lucifer, the light Bringer who

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brings knowledge to humanity represented by the Blazing Star, and

551
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Freemasonry set between the two pillars of yaking and boas.

552
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In this shot, we see the falling Star Serious between

553
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two pillars that grabs Truman's attention, the two pillars being

554
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Yaqing and Boas so Truman is an she receives esoteric

555
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knowledge from Serious and begins to.

556
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Speaker 4: Question his reality.

557
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Speaker 12: We see that every outcome of Truman's life is being

558
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governed by what some might call an overbearing father or

559
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the gnostic demiurge, which in this case is given the

560
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name of christoff or Christ or of Christ. When Truman

561
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finally breaks free of this controlling deity, he ascends up

562
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the Masonic steps towards self governance. Here we can see

563
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,559
sixteen steps as well as the waters below. As above,

564
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so below with what we can assume is the reflection

565
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of the waters below, that would total thirty two steps

566
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or thirty two degrees of Scottish Rite freemasonry, obviously the

567
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thirty third degree being the most notable. However, this is

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a more symbolic honorary invite only degree. No initiate can

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get there through just Masonic scholarship. It is the gnostic

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perspective that the material world is a trap and illusion

571
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of prison of sorts, governed and controlled by a lower creator,

572
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a more malevolent version of the God archetype or Grand architect,

573
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and that to escape this material illusion, one must break

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free through enlightenment and self nosis. Some say the masonry

575
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stands for gnosis or gnosticism. However, that's one of many

576
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,800
interpretations that include grand architect, generative principle, Jesu or Jesuit,

577
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general God Goat, geometry, and others. And so Truman undergoes

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this journey of gnostic enlightenment and breaks feet of his

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00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,880
controlling father. Also, someone interesting that Richard Rothschild was one

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of the producers of this film.

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Speaker 3: There You Go, And every time I watched that movie, right,

582
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,760
I say, the trilogy. Everybody should watch The True Man,

583
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,760
show the Matrix, and then they live and again they live.

584
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,679
You know, not necessarily talking about reptilians, but we're talking

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about the struggle to get people to see the truth.

586
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One thing I do want to clear up before I

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played that clip, I said, Jeff bezos father, Let me

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correct myself.

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Speaker 4: It was actually.

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Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos's grandfather was the one who co founded ARPA, right,

591
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the secret top Agent or I should say the top

592
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secret agency that first connected the world and brought about

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the Internet. Right that that's it was his grandfather. And

594
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,079
again they don't they put all these people in place,

595
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:21,079
bloodlines in place, to reap the benefits and to enrich themselves,

596
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all the while controlling the narrative.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 3: We're going to jump in today's main topic, which is

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how much did the CIA and NSA have to do

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with the founding of Google? And this article we came

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00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,280
about was written by Jeff Nesbit about a decade ago,

602
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,800
and it's still to this day very spot on because

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00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,840
again it's an information war and the technocrats at DARPA,

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00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,599
the NSA, and the CIA, they were the early funders

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of various social media companies, as you just heard, right,

606
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and this was all on the basis of creating a

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00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:05,559
total awareness society. So again Google's true origin lies in

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:12,480
CIA and NSA research grants for mass surveillance. And over

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00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,599
two decades ago, almost three decades now, the US intelligence

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community worked closely with Silicon Valley in an effort to

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trackt citizens in cyberspace. Right, if you think that Bill

612
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Gates isn't an indirect part of this government, why do

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00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,639
you think he has the ability to do everything he does?

614
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He's just like CIA, like this unelected part of the

615
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,280
government that controls so much of what goes on in

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the world right. Some of the research that led to

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00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,800
Google's ambitious creation was funded and coordinated by a research

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group established by the intelligence community to find ways to

619
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track individuals and groups online. The intelligence community hoped that

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the nation's leading computer scientists could take non classified in

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from and user data, combine it with what would later

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become known as the Internet, and begin to create for

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profit commercial enterprises to suit the needs of both the

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intelligence community and the public. They hoped to direct the

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super computing revolution from the start in order to make

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sense of what millions of human beings did inside this

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digital information network. And that's what they do. And the

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more convenience that we get, the more imprisoned we become.

629
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I don't wear those eye watches, those smart watches, they've

630
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,320
got microphones in them. When we're out for a walk,

631
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I don't take my phone with me. And I've actually

632
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:53,480
become better and better about keeping my phone on my

633
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,320
nightstand throughout the day we're in a central location and

634
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not keeping it on my person because number one, it

635
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,519
is listening to everything you say, it is tracking everywhere

636
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,039
you go, and also it's it's I think it's disruptive.

637
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,239
I think I think it inhibits sleep, right, I think

638
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,000
it's a problem with sleep. And it's also not not

639
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to go all boomer on you guys, but I think

640
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
it's also a tool that can lead to sin.

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Speaker 4: Right. I don't need to say more than that. You

642
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,679
know where I'm going.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's important that we have we talk

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about the double edged sort of technology, and that's the

645
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,639
mother of them all, the cell phone.

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Speaker 4: Right.

647
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Speaker 3: You know, my wife can pick up her cell phone

648
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and talk to her father on the other side of

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00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,679
the world. That's a blessing. But you know, picking up

650
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the phone and going on Amazon and spending money on

651
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:52,280
things you don't really need, or more insidious things as well, right,

652
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,280
sinful things. Now that collaboration has made a comprehensive public

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00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,599
private mass surveillance state possible today.

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Speaker 4: The story of the.

655
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Speaker 3: Deliberate creation of the modern mass surveillance state includes elements

656
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of Google, surprising and un largely pardon me, and largely

657
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:16,280
unknown origin. It is somewhat difficult creation story, then the

658
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one the public has heard. It explains what Google co

659
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,039
founders Sergey Brinn and Larry Page set out to build

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and why you know you heard one of the co

661
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,800
founders of YouTube said, I think it was shortly after COVID,

662
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719
maybe twenty twenty one. He said, if I knew this

663
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,920
is what YouTube was going to turn into, I wouldn't

664
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:45,760
have sold it. Now, obviously he's you know, you know,

665
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,480
maybe he does mean that. I shouldn't trivialize what he's saying.

666
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:50,360
You know, we're like, oh, well he got you know,

667
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,159
hundreds of millions of dollars. But you know, maybe he

668
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,840
is genuinely disappointed that he did do that, right, especially

669
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,039
if he is a good person. I don't know the guy,

670
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,559
but to see what it's become today, I mean, who

671
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:11,559
wouldn't give anything to have the old YouTube back when

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00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:14,039
you put something in the search engine and you got

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00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,480
real results, not what it's being fed to you. Right,

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00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,000
But this is the origin story of the mass surveillance state.

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But moreover, the government money, aka the taxpayer money the

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funded it. So in the mid nineteen nineties is the

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Internet's getting ready to take off. The intelligence community in

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America began to realize that they had an opportunity. The

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supercomputing community was just beginning to migrate from university settings

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into the private sector, led by investments from a place

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that would become known as Silicon Valley. A digital revolution

682
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was underway, one that would transform the world of data

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gathering and how we make sense of massage massive amounts

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of information. The intelligence community wanted to shape Silicon Valley's

685
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supercomputing efforts at their inception so they would be useful

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for both military and homeland security purposes. Now, could this

687
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supercomputing network, which would become capable of storing terabytes of information,

688
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,760
make intelligent sense of the digital trail that human beings

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leave behind?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Answering these questions was of great interest to the intelligence community,

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and intelligence gathering may have been their world, but the

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CIA and the NSSA had come to realize that their

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future was likely to be profoundly shaped outside of the government.

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And this was at a time when military and intelligence

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budgets within the Clint administration.

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Speaker 4: Were in jeopardy.

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Speaker 3: I remember in ninety six ninety seven having field exercise

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is canceled because we didn't have money. Right, we didn't

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have toilet paper for the latrines because we didn't have money, which,

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in retrospect, you know, we need to do better in

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that sector. But it's just funny thinking back, how just

703
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within you know, ninety six to two thousand and one,

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help defense spending had gone through the roof obviously with

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nine to eleven, and that opportunity they had there. But

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if the if the intelligence community wanted to conduct mass

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surveillance for national security purposes, it would require cooperation between

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the government and the emerging supercomputer companies. Now to do this,

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they began reaching out to the scientists at American universities

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who were behind this what they called supercomputing revolution. And

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these scientists were developing ways to do what no single

712
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group of human beings sitting at work stations in the

713
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,679
NSSA or the CIA could ever hope to do even

714
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,800
in five years. You think about what they had to

715
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do in the nineteen eighties to gather information and what

716
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,280
they can do in one day just by listening to

717
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,119
people talk and looking at their search engines and what

718
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:21,119
they're looking into on their phones, right, and that is

719
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,880
to gather huge amounts of data and make intelligent sense

720
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,320
of it, right and listen. There was already a long

721
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history of collaboration between America's best scientists and the intelligence community.

722
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Speaker 4: Right.

723
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,559
Speaker 3: The fact is, the Internet itself was created because of

724
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an intelligence effort. In the nineteen seventies, the agency responsible

725
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for developing emerging technologies for military intelligence and national security

726
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:00,119
purposes DARPA, and that's the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

727
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:06,280
linked for supercomputers to handle massive data transfers.

728
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:06,599
Speaker 4: Now.

729
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: It handed the operations off to the National Science Foundation

730
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a decade or so later, which proliferated the network across

731
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,519
thousands of universities and eventually the public, thus creating the

732
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architecture and the scaffolding of the World Wide Web. And

733
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of course we have al Gore to thank for that too.

734
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Silicon Valley was no different. By the nineteen nineties, the

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00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,679
intelligence community was ceding funding to the most promising supercomputing

736
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:44,039
efforts across academia, guiding the creation of efforts to make

737
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:48,159
massive amounts of information useful to both the private sector

738
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:53,079
as well as the intelligence community. They funded these computer

739
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scientists through an unclassified, highly compartmentalized program that was managed

740
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,679
for the SEA and the NSA by large military and

741
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intelligence contractors.

742
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 4: It was called the.

743
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Speaker 3: MDDS project where the Massive Digital Data Systems Project.

744
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 4: Now.

745
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: It was introduced to several dozen leading computer scientists and

746
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it was the you know, end all, be all of schools.

747
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,639
You had Stanford, you had cal Tech, Mit Harvard, and

748
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,159
the people reaching out were from the CIA, the NSA,

749
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,239
and DARPA, and the research would largely be funded and

750
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,760
managed by unclassified science agencies like the NSF, which would

751
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,639
allow the architecture to be scaled up the private sector

752
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,800
if it managed to achieve what the intelligence community hoped for. Right,

753
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,440
nobody's going to buy Internet from the government. Nobody's going

754
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:01,480
to do their social media from the government. But if

755
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,880
they make it Facebook and Twitter. Obviously Elon Musk when

756
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,920
that gentleman was giving his presentation, Professor Jong, obviously you

757
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,800
were listening to the audio when he was doing his slides,

758
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Elon Musk was one of the slides. Obviously, Elon Musk

759
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,920
is part of the club. He is part of the CIA.

760
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 4: Right.

761
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: So again, these grants were directed largely through the NSF

762
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,239
so that most of the promising successful efforts could be

763
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captured as intellectual property. That's where the money is. The

764
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ips and formed the basis of companies attracting investments from

765
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,760
Silicon Valley. Now, this type of public to private innovation

766
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:56,480
system helped launch powerful science and technology companies like Qualcomm. Right,

767
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,840
they were big in the nineties and early two thousands.

768
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,920
Some man Netscape was a huge Internet provider back in

769
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the day.

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00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 4: Right. They funded the.

771
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,119
Speaker 3: Pivotal research in areas like Doppler radar and fiber optics,

772
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which are central to companies today like acuweather, which is

773
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,639
obviously the Doppler radar, and then Verizon in AT and T.

774
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:26,239
By the way, the NFC or the NSF provides nearly

775
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:31,800
ninety percent of all federal funding for university based computer research.

776
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: So these.

777
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:39,039
Speaker 3: Colleges aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them, right,

778
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,800
So what was the CIA in the NSA's end goal?

779
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,800
The research arms of the CIA and the NSA hope

780
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,800
that the best computer science minds in academia could identify

781
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,440
what they called birds of a feather. Now what does

782
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,760
that mean? So, just as geese fly together in these

783
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,000
large V shapes where flocks of sparrows make sudden movements

784
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:08,599
together in harmony, especially lately, do you guys notice when

785
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,679
you're driving down the road and this happens often near

786
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,320
five G towers. My wife and I were going to

787
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,559
Dover Air Force Base to go to the commissary the

788
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,639
other day, and as we're driving down the street. There's

789
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,199
a large five G tower on the left. There must

790
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,800
have been five hundred birds moving in unison back and

791
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,840
forth in these groups across the street. It was very

792
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,440
odd and it's not the first time we've seen that either, right,

793
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,079
but the intelligence community named their first unclassified briefing for

794
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:41,320
scientists the Birds of a Feather Briefing and the Birds

795
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,519
of a Feather Session on the Intelligence Community Initiative in

796
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,000
the MDDS and that took place at the Fairmont Hotel

797
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,480
and San Jose in the spring of nineteen ninety five,

798
00:50:54,599 --> 00:51:00,519
thirty years ago. Now. Their research aim was to track

799
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:07,599
digital fingerprints inside the rapidly expanding global information network, which

800
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:12,519
was known as the World Wide Web, and the questions,

801
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:16,639
could an entire world of digital information be organized so

802
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,239
that the request humans made inside such a network could

803
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,800
be sorted? Number two, could their queries be linked and

804
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,280
ranked in order of importance? And number three, could birds

805
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,039
of a feather be identified inside the sea of information

806
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,039
so that communities and groups could be tracked in an

807
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:40,920
organized way and by working with emerging commercial data companies.

808
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Their intent was to track like minded groups of people

809
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,000
across the Internet and identify them from the digital fingerprints

810
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:52,599
they left behind, very much like forensic scientists use fingerprint

811
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:58,559
smudges to identify criminals, and just as birds of a

812
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:05,159
feather flock together, they predicted that potential terrorists or you know,

813
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,719
people who don't go along with the narrative, would communicate

814
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,199
with each other in this new global connected world, and

815
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,320
they could find them by identifying patterns in this massive

816
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:22,440
amount of new information. Once these groups were identified, they

817
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,320
could then follow their digital trails everywhere. And in nineteen

818
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,440
ninety five, one of the first and most promising grants

819
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:36,039
went to a computer science research team at Stanford University

820
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,800
Sergey Brinn and Larry Page. The primary objective of this

821
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,760
grant was query optimization of very complex queries that are

822
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,079
described using the flock approach. A second grant from DARPA,

823
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:58,840
most closely associated with Google's origin, was part of a

824
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,960
coordinated effort to build a massive digital library using the

825
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:08,320
Internet as its backbone. Both grants funded research by two

826
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,599
graduates who were making rapid advances in web page ranking

827
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:16,880
as well as tracking and making sense of user queries.

828
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:23,039
Future Google co founders serge A Brinn and Larry Page,

829
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:27,199
and the research by Brennan Page under these grants became

830
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,599
the heart of Google, people using research functions to find

831
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:35,760
precisely what they wanted inside a very large data set.

832
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,280
The intelligence community, however, saw a slightly different benefit to

833
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,440
their research. Could the network be organized so efficiently that

834
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:51,760
individual users could be uniquely identified and tracked. This process

835
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,920
is perfectly suited for the purpose of counter terrorism and

836
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:02,320
homeland security efforts amongst dissenting America. Right, human beings and

837
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,840
like minded groups who might pose a threat to national

838
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,639
security can be uniquely identified online before they do harm.

839
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,360
The heart of minority report right, and this explains why

840
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,280
the intelligence community found Brians and page research efforts so appealing,

841
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,639
and that's why they got the money and the title.

842
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,119
Prior to this, the CIA largely used human intelligence or

843
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:29,920
human efforts in the field to identify people and groups

844
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,119
that might pose threats. The ability to track them virtually

845
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:39,079
in conjunction with the efforts in the field would change everything.

846
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,199
It was just the beginning of what, in just a

847
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:48,800
few years time, would become Google. The two Intelligence community

848
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,519
managers charged with leading the program met regularly with Brenn

849
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:56,360
at his research progress, and he was an author on

850
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,199
several other research papers that resulted from this MDDS grant

851
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:04,960
before he and Page left to form Google. The grants

852
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,079
allowed Brinn and Page to do their work and contributed

853
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:12,920
to their breakthroughs in web page ranking and tracking user queries.

854
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,679
Brinn didn't work for the intelligence community or anyone else

855
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,960
because Google had not yet been incorporated. He was just

856
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,360
a Stanford researcher taking advantage of the grant provided by

857
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:31,599
the NSA and the CIA through the unclassified MDDS program.

858
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:35,679
But what was left out of Google story. The MDDS

859
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:39,880
research effort has never been a part of Google's origin story,

860
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:45,119
even though the principal investigator for the MDDS grant specifically

861
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,920
named Google as directly resulting from their research quote. Its

862
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,800
core technology, which allows to find pages far more accurately

863
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,519
than any other search engine, was supported by this scrant.

864
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,679
In a published research paper that includes some of Brin's

865
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:07,639
pivotal work, the authors also reference the grants that was

866
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:14,599
created by the MDDS program. Instead, every Google creation story

867
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:19,760
only mentions one federal gramp and that was the NSF

868
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:25,320
Digital Libraries Grant That was one of many, and you

869
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:32,920
know that designed to allow Stanford researchers to search the

870
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,559
entire world wide Web store on the university servers at

871
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:41,559
the time, which is mind blowing when you think about it.

872
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,119
The development of the Google algorithms was carried on a

873
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:51,480
variety of computers mainly provided by DARPA funded Digital Library

874
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:57,800
project at Stanford, so the NSF likewise only references the

875
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,760
Digital Libraries gram the MDDS grants as well. In the

876
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,320
famous research paper The Anatomy of a Large Scale Hypertextual

877
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:14,039
Web Search Engine, which describes the creation of Google, Brinn

878
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:18,960
and Page both thanked the NSF and DARPA for its

879
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:23,599
Digital Library grant to Stanford, but the grant from the

880
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:29,639
Intelligence community's MDDS program, specifically designed for the breakthrough that

881
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,480
Google was built on, has faded into obscurity. Google in

882
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,679
the past has said that it was not funded or

883
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,719
created by the CIA. For instance, when stories circulated in

884
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,840
two thousand and six that Google had received funding from

885
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,400
the intelligence community for years to assist encounter terrorism efforts,

886
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,400
the company told Wired magazine founder John Patil, the statements

887
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:01,800
related to Google are completely untrue. IA directly fund the

888
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,559
work of Brin and Page and therefore create Google. Not

889
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:12,239
exactly were Brennan Page researching precisely what the NSA The

890
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:18,639
CIA and the intelligence community itself wanted assisted by their

891
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:25,559
grants one thousand percent. And to understand this significance, you

892
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,719
have to consider what the intelligence community was trying to

893
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,199
achieve as it continued to seed grants to the best

894
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:40,440
computer science minds in academia. The CIA and the NSA

895
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:47,280
funded an unclassified, compartmentalized program designed from its inception to

896
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,639
spur the development of something that looks almost exactly like Google,

897
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:58,280
BRIT's breakthrough research on page ranking. By tracking user queries

898
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,519
and linking them to the any search is conducted essentially

899
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:04,719
identify birds of a feather.

900
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 4: That was largely the.

901
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,199
Speaker 3: Aim of the intelligence communities program, and Google has succeeded

902
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:18,599
beyond their wildest dreams. And you know, all these digital

903
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:25,719
privacy concerns have grown in recent years. Right, if we're

904
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:31,519
paying for service, it should not include being surveilled. I'm

905
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:35,079
not sure most people understand the degree to which the

906
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:40,119
intelligence community relies on the world's biggest science and tech

907
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:47,599
companies for its quote unquote national security work. And many

908
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:53,519
civil liberty advocacy groups have aired their privacy concerns for years,

909
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,719
especially now that you know with the relation to the

910
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,119
Patriot Act, Right, hastily passed forty five days after nine

911
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,199
to eleven in the name of national security. The Patriot

912
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,880
Act was the first of many changes to surveillance laws

913
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,079
that made it easier for the government to spy on

914
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:16,719
ordinary Americans by expanding the authority to monitor phone and

915
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,800
email communications, collect bank and credit reporting records, and track

916
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,960
the activity of innocent Americans on the Internet. And everything

917
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,440
has to happen for a reason and in particular order.

918
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:33,800
Right Zoom had to be perfected before they dropped COVID

919
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,000
on us so they could continue to run things right.

920
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,440
And the World Wide Web and the digital infrastructure had

921
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,559
to be established before nine to eleven so they could

922
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:46,519
control it. And while most Americans think it was created

923
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:53,119
to catch terrorists, the Patriot Act actually turns regular civilians

924
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,320
like you or I into suspects. And when asked, the

925
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,239
biggest technology and communitycations companies from a Verizon, AT and

926
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,920
T to Google, Facebook, and Microsoft say that they never

927
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:14,079
deliberately and proactively offer their vast databases on their own

928
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:19,960
customers to federal security and law enforcement agencies. Now, what

929
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:24,480
they say is they only respond to subpoenas or requests

930
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,159
that are filed properly under the terms of the Patriot Act.

931
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,400
But even a cursory glance through recent public records show

932
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,000
that there's a treadmill of constant request that could undermine

933
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,000
the intent behind this PROMISEE privacy promise, I should say,

934
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:47,039
according to data request records that the companies make available

935
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,000
to the public in the most recent reporting periods between

936
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:54,480
twenty sixteen and twenty seven twenty seventeen, local state and

937
01:01:54,519 --> 01:02:00,880
federal government authorities seeking information related to national security, count terrorism,

938
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,360
or criminal concerns issued. Now this is ten years ago,

939
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,039
there were more than a quarter of a million subpoenas,

940
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:14,159
court orders, warrants, and other legal requests just to Verizon,

941
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:18,440
the same number to AT and T, and the much

942
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:20,800
less about twenty five thousand to Google.

943
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 4: That's a lot.

944
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: Direct national security or counter terrorism requests are a small

945
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,360
fraction of this overall group of requests, but the patriotic

946
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:36,719
legal process has now become so routine that companies each

947
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,039
have a group of employees who simply take care of

948
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,039
the stream of requests. In this way, the collaboration between

949
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,639
the intelligence community and big commercial science and tech companies

950
01:02:48,039 --> 01:02:52,159
has been wildly successful. When national security agencies need to

951
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identify and track people in groups they know where to

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turn and do so frequently. That was the goal in

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the beginning. It has succeeded, perhaps more than anyone could

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have ever imagined at the time, and that's going to

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do it.

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Speaker 4: For this week.

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Speaker 3: We just went over our hour. Thank you all for

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It streams twenty four to seven, a lot of classic audio,

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Bill Cooper, text mars, some current day pastors who I

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believe deliver a solid message. And if you would keep

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me in your prayers this week, I just had a

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quite the bout with Tonight's over the last week, I

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haven't gotten much sleep, but also I have a big

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decision to make this week that's wearing heavy on me,

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and pray for me in that way. Turn, I continue

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to pray for each and every one of you. God

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bless each and every one of you. Keep your head

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on a swivel and Christ in your heart, and until

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we meet again, my friends, we will see it.

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Speaker 2: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've

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had spain. I know you feel the tied tell doubt

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all the way. Yeah, I know you feel it. You

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smile ain't the same I saw were gone from you.

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I feel like you've lost your way. Don't give it, No,

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don't give it. Never is home. Don't let go the

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primise eating done yet he's got I'm plann Why it's

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a way got up? May come? Why wait.

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Speaker 6: Up?

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Speaker 2: Call?

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Speaker 1: I can see the straight beside you.

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Speaker 2: Child's are putting up five. Oh, you're stronger than anything you. Yeah,

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you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead bodiod beautiful.

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You're shoving bride. Yeah, you're live and breathing. Move you

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can hold your head a pie. Don't give up. No,

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don't give in. Never loss home. Don't they gone on

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the Pride Armies. It ain't Dunion's god or Clay Why

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some waytail the god of maybe come, don't give up. No,

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don't give in. You never lose home. Don't let go

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on the primise. It ain't don't life, It's worth living?

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What's a way town? The God up baby Colt. Why

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sur pray down? Got up steamy Colt? Oh yes, what

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a pray down the god baby Colt? Oh yeah, you

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got team called. Oh don't no, don't give in? Never

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the soul do they go of the primise?

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Speaker 1: I mean and don Y's got a playing waits the

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goud of if it calls, don't give no dog giving

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never the soul.

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Speaker 2: Don't the goal of the crimes getting done. Love is

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worth living. Wats the god of every charms? Oh, the

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God of needs White's dun, the God of a.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Just the facts, ma'am.