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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Auction Brief. There's a joy in these games,

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<v Speaker 1>taking you on a journey through fantasy.

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<v Speaker 2>Football, the law, and life.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw your depends on.

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<v Speaker 3>How much you want, and now you're legal analyst and

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<v Speaker 3>auction draft expert here to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Dominate your fantasy drafts. Your host, Drew Davenport, there are

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<v Speaker 2>full hearts.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, everybody, Welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm your host, Drew Davenport, and thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for joining me for another episode. As you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>have one goal here on the Auction Brief, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is to help all of you win more titles. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of the ways that we do that is by

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<v Speaker 3>bringing the best and brightest minds in the fantasy community

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<v Speaker 3>on here from my weekly disc Dicussions with Drew. These

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<v Speaker 3>conversations are there to help you with the most difficult

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<v Speaker 3>fantasy situations you're going to face in your drafts this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not delay.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get right to this week's guest on another installment

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<v Speaker 3>of Discussions with Drew.

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<v Speaker 4>Time for Discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the

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<v Speaker 4>brightest minds in the fantasy industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome into this week's discussions with Drew. Our guest for

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<v Speaker 3>you this week is auction expert and officionado Joe Dolan.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to have him here. We're going to die

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<v Speaker 1>deep in up today.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe happens to be the owner and editor in chief

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<v Speaker 3>over at Fantasy Points as well as a serious XM host,

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<v Speaker 3>radio show of the Year host from FSGA, as well

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<v Speaker 3>as a three time award notmin to be with FSWA.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a mouthful. That's quite a bio, Joe, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 3>the show man.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to be with you. Great to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>auctions with you. I have to tell you, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you've gone Paul with this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've announced it on your podcast, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make sure to congratulate you and Brian Drake

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<v Speaker 2>on the new Serious x and Fantasy Points Weekend Show,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really launching us into fantasy football talk here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think unsure of when this is going to debut,

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<v Speaker 2>this particular podcast, but I do know that the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>show is debuting on July the twelfth, on Sunday afternoons.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe two to.

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<v Speaker 1>Four PM five PM started.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably should know that, given it's under our banner, But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean bringing more auction talk to the masses, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure on that particular platform, and really let me spread

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<v Speaker 2>your wings. I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>True, I'm excited too. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's I just can't believe I'm getting the opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>I of View and Fantasy Points team to think.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll never stop being grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, you know, we're not going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>force the auction stuff on people, but hey, if it

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<v Speaker 3>comes up, it comes up, and I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>great way to keep pushing this. And honestly, man, that's

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<v Speaker 3>something I wanted to talk about today. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to JJ Zacharyesen a couple of days ago

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm on his show and he says, like, how

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<v Speaker 3>do we make this more mainstream? I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think about that every day because I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>that auctions are growing at the same pace that Fantasy

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<v Speaker 3>football itself is growing.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do we do about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the number one is you know, are

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<v Speaker 2>you I'm sure you're well familiar with the Dave Matthews band, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and like live music and stuff like that. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching a YouTube video on like the history of

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff that comes up on YouTube right that

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<v Speaker 2>that you just that just winds into one another, and

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<v Speaker 2>there came up to be an interview with the Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Matthews bands. Their their manager, and what he was was

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<v Speaker 2>when they came up in Charlottesville, Virginia. They he was

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<v Speaker 2>a club owner and they were one of the acts

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<v Speaker 2>this band. But he was like, you know, the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not going to do this. We're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to get them in front of a music executive,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and put out this like kind of small,

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<v Speaker 2>sy glossy record and then have them open for bigger acts.

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<v Speaker 5>That that's not going to work for this band.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, we got to get people in the door,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to get people in the building. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to get people experiencing this firsthand. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a simple explanation for auctions. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>you just gotta get into one, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to realize, like the adrenaline rush is so much different

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<v Speaker 2>than a normal fantasy draft and quite frankly, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on an auction podcast. I do an auction draft plan

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<v Speaker 2>at Fantasy Points. I'll probably get that out in the

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<v Speaker 2>next week or two, obviously with some tweaks for this year.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to admit, you know, Drew, that auctions

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<v Speaker 2>are a very small part of my fantasy draft portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they take up more time. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be constantly on the ball. You can't just

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, all right, I have the I have

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<v Speaker 2>the twelfth pick, so I know I'm gonna pick back

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<v Speaker 2>to back and then I can go stretch my legs,

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<v Speaker 2>take a walk around the park, go take a smoke break,

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<v Speaker 2>and then by the time I come in, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>six picks away. You know, like stuff like that, auctions,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to be on your toes, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>for some people that's a little bit daunting.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I used to be in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantasy NBA league and that was an auction that would

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<v Speaker 2>go late at night, and at some point I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fantasy basketball quote unquote expert the way

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<v Speaker 5>So an auction in a league, in a.

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<v Speaker 2>League the NBA that I'm not a that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>really dialed into can get can become a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a slog. But I feel like if you get

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who's in multiple fantasy leagues and just say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do this, let's do it for ten bucks, see

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<v Speaker 2>how we like it. Let's let's just run auction and

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<v Speaker 2>see how people like it. I think that's the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to get it mainstream is to get people into

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<v Speaker 2>a league. And I think convincing twelve people, ten to

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<v Speaker 2>twelve people to do that might be the most challenging part,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know there's no set it and forget it

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<v Speaker 2>option in an auction. As a matter of fact, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are a set it and forget it person, that

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<v Speaker 2>ruins the experience for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 5>So you really need people.

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<v Speaker 1>To be engaged.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think you hit on two important points

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<v Speaker 3>here is one of them is your NBA auction analogy

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<v Speaker 3>there is perfect because it is a bit of a slog.

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<v Speaker 3>If that's not something that you're really into, you get

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<v Speaker 3>three quarters of the way through that thing and you're like, Jesus,

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<v Speaker 3>is this going to end? And I understand that aspect

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<v Speaker 3>of it, But the way I've been selling it to

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people in the business to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get more excitement about it and get more conversation around it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is by saying, if you are an aspect fantasy football,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you really do know what you're doing, then

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<v Speaker 3>you should want to do an auction because I think

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<v Speaker 3>it magnified your edges and I think it makes you

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<v Speaker 3>a better player if that's your thing. But you make

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<v Speaker 3>a great point that if it's not your thing, it

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<v Speaker 3>does feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a bit of a log and I understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, let's talk a little bit about last year,

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<v Speaker 3>just super quick. I know people don't love this topic,

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<v Speaker 3>but I love it because I get these smart people

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<v Speaker 3>on my show and I like to hear what their

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<v Speaker 3>take is from last year. Did you have something in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five auctions that happened to you or that

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<v Speaker 3>you're thinking about that you're going to stress for this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'll be completely honest. The most success I've

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<v Speaker 2>had in my auction leagues in years past was spreading

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<v Speaker 2>my spend around at the wide receiver position and either

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<v Speaker 2>going hero RB or effectively zero RB. And last year

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<v Speaker 2>was just the freaking worst year possible for that. Drew

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<v Speaker 2>and it flipped the entire fantasy industry on his head.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that Ryan heath Over at

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<v Speaker 2>Fantasy Points has researched, certainly somebody you'll probably be interested

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<v Speaker 2>in having on the show on Sirius XM is he

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<v Speaker 2>found that wide receiver twos and not like wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>twos in like a team's Z receiver, right, but wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver twos from a fantasy football perspective. Their scoring fell

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<v Speaker 2>precipitously this season and probably twenty twenty four as well,

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<v Speaker 2>when kind of that running back revolution happened with Saquon

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<v Speaker 2>Barkley and Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get those guys the fantasy wide receiver two you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your meat and potatoes thirteen to fifteen fantasy point per

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<v Speaker 2>game guys you know who occasionally would have a spike week.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a feudal exercise, and it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>just really kicked me in the teeth from my own perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to cause me to take a much

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<v Speaker 2>deeper look this year as to whether or not that's

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<v Speaker 2>something that's going to continue. I mean, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to continue. Look at all these teams buying a

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL draft. But is there another place where we

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<v Speaker 2>can have an edge as opposed to just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going old school and saying, oh, running back, running back,

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<v Speaker 2>spending up at running backs the way to go. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not one hundred percent sure of that right now, Drew,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you because I started out this summer

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<v Speaker 3>talking a little bit about how I think we're really

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have to concentrate on getting those alpha receivers that

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<v Speaker 3>are commanding that thirty percent target share, and then when

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<v Speaker 3>I got into it, I've had done a couple mocks recently,

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<v Speaker 3>and those.

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<v Speaker 1>Top guys are really overpriced so far.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand MOX can kind of enhance that a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit because people want to show off a starting

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<v Speaker 3>lineup that looks pretty, But I still think those top

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<v Speaker 3>guys are going to be a little bit overpriced. And

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<v Speaker 3>when I say overpriced, I'm not necessarily saying that that's

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<v Speaker 3>an incorrect price. It's just too much for me and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna be paying sixty six dollars for Jamar Chase.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just it's never It's not in my blood to

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<v Speaker 3>do that for auctions. I don't like my builds when

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<v Speaker 3>I do that. So my take on it has been

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<v Speaker 3>that we need to swing the pendulum back toward running

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<v Speaker 3>back a little bit, but we don't want to swing

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<v Speaker 3>it too far because I still believe that auctions are

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<v Speaker 3>the place where zigging when others are zagging is really

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<v Speaker 3>the play that you have to make, even more than

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<v Speaker 3>in a serpentine because it rewards the uniqueness in the

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<v Speaker 3>auction room. So I'm not sure I'm going to swing

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<v Speaker 3>all the way back. What I've come to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 3>of is there are a lot of veteran running backs

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<v Speaker 3>that qualify for what we formally call the dead zone,

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<v Speaker 3>but who are actually very useful because of the prevalence

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<v Speaker 3>of twelve and thirteen personnel in the NFL, Now that's

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<v Speaker 3>using more running backs, and instead of that wide receiver

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<v Speaker 3>two or wide receiver three sort of archetype that we

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<v Speaker 3>were chasing in auctions, maybe we need to be chasing

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<v Speaker 3>the running backs there. So I guess that's probably my

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<v Speaker 3>first question for you, is how are you going to

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<v Speaker 3>treat running backs? I mean, the prices are a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit crazy there too. So I haven't formalized my draft

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<v Speaker 3>plan yet. I know you haven't. It's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>early July. But what are your thoughts about running back

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<v Speaker 3>this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I feel like I've got to allocate

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<v Speaker 2>some more spending than I have in years past. But

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<v Speaker 2>the question becomes, yeah, you know, I always get weary

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<v Speaker 2>and this is like kind of a hurdle I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to get over Mentally. Let's just say I spend

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<v Speaker 2>up in my draft for Jonathan Taylor and Chase Brown. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what's that gonna cost me? Ninety ninety five but close

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<v Speaker 2>to half of my budget? That makes me so queasy

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<v Speaker 2>given the history of the running back position prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years, and that's just never where

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<v Speaker 2>I've had success in auctions spending my money.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like THEAE.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so, but I feel like I do kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to approach it that way. But then from another angle,

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<v Speaker 2>if I do approach it that way, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's gonna approach it that way, you know, running back.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing about running back though in an auction,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, they've never been cheap.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there was never there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why we went to wide receiver, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So they've never Even when I was having success spreading

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<v Speaker 2>my spend around at the wide receiver position, my edge

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<v Speaker 2>was because the running backs were still expensive, even though

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<v Speaker 2>wide receiver was the more stable position. That was my

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<v Speaker 2>edge entirely. My edge entirely was because I was getting

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<v Speaker 2>a more stable, a more durable position in a league

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<v Speaker 2>that favored the pass for seventy five eighty eighty five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the value that the top running backs were

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<v Speaker 2>going for. And even when wide receivers were the way

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<v Speaker 5>So now we have to navigate a landscape where running

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<v Speaker 2>As expensive as they've ever been and there might not

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<v Speaker 2>be an edge top instead pivoting to wide receiver. That

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<v Speaker 2>is really tricky for me this year, and again I

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<v Speaker 2>still don't know exactly how I'm going to approach that. So,

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<v Speaker 2>like I mean, if I don't think, if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have running backs this year, and you haven't had them

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<v Speaker 2>the last couple of years, you've you've been you've been

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<v Speaker 2>up up the creek, man. Like you know, Scott Barrett

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<v Speaker 2>always has a line that we never want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>as as fantasy football players, but certainly as people like

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<v Speaker 2>you and I who are creating content that really only

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<v Speaker 2>like a handful of guys actually matter in fantasy every year. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the advance rates in ESPN leagues and

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<v Speaker 2>their playoffs because they make that data available.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure Sleeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Does too on some level, and you're like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy was on forty percent of league winning teams. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy was on thirty percent of league winning teams, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's really kind of humbling to see just how

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<v Speaker 2>few guys are are are affecting leagues that way. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't have those guys at the running back

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<v Speaker 2>position in the last couple of years, you have not

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<v Speaker 2>won a heck of a lot of anything. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a real big challenge this year, and I'm still not

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent sure how I'm going to approach that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what I've started to realize, And first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>I love talking to you, Joe, because every time we talk,

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<v Speaker 3>it really it's great confirmation bias for me because I

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<v Speaker 3>spend a lot of summer shouting into the void in

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<v Speaker 3>my show by myself talking about these concepts, and I

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<v Speaker 3>start to think every once in a while, like, am

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<v Speaker 3>I getting this right? Am I crazy? But talking to

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<v Speaker 3>you always grounds me and it makes me think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I am on the right track here. So I'm with

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<v Speaker 3>you about the fact that I haven't settled this yet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why this conversation for both of us is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be immensely.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me know what you figure it out?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a text.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, So I think what I'm leaning towards at this

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<v Speaker 3>point is there are still wide receivers I find to

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<v Speaker 3>be relatively quote unquote value at this point, guys like

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<v Speaker 3>Nico Collins. I'm on Rosse Brown even is a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit lower than some of these top guys, and I

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<v Speaker 3>still think that we can do that. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that I talked about with JJ was that

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<v Speaker 3>there are some wide receivers that are in that mid

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<v Speaker 3>twenties range that are really you can get quite a

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<v Speaker 3>few of them in that range. And there are guys

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<v Speaker 3>that have upside that you know, you were talking like

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<v Speaker 3>Terry McLaurin, types Tet McMillan, We're talking, you know, even

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<v Speaker 3>guys like Christian Watson fifteen to eighteen dollars. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not excited about a lot of these guys, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can put together a lot of these guys for

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<v Speaker 3>like one hundred and ten bucks. You can get like

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<v Speaker 3>five of these guys for one hundred and ten bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so like that might be the shotgun approach, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like just trying to get all those middle tier guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what the Christian Watson bidding war is

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<v Speaker 2>going to look like in my auction league, and that

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna have a bunch of Fantasy Points guys in

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<v Speaker 2>it and Fantasy Points adjacent guys in it. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>if I ever have a spot open up, I know

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<v Speaker 2>who to reach out to get you in there. But

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<v Speaker 2>let me go back to a guy who I think

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a pretty pivotal player for me this year

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<v Speaker 2>because it aligns with some of of Ryan Heath's research,

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<v Speaker 2>T Higgins. Last year, t Higgins played twelve games drew

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<v Speaker 2>in which a Joe started at quarterback, that being Burrow

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<v Speaker 2>or Flacco. He had Jake Browning in the other games

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<v Speaker 2>that he played, and in those games he averaged thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>point seven Fantasy points per game in underdog's half PPR scoring,

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<v Speaker 2>which was the equivalent of Chris Alave, who was basically

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<v Speaker 2>the wide receiver nine in that scoring, and the three

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<v Speaker 2>games he played with Jake Browning he averaged just five

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<v Speaker 2>point five fantasy points per game, so it dropped him

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<v Speaker 2>to like the wide receiver twelve in fantasy points per game.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also is the guy who finished wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>four in Underdog scoring in twenty twenty four. And this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just let's just call his ADP just because it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of easier to talk about than average auction value.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wide receiver fifteen right now on Underdog, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>being drafted as a wide receiver two now. As I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier, Ryan Heath examined the downfall of fantasy wide

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<v Speaker 2>receiver twos and unsurprisingly, his conclusion was that the heavy

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<v Speaker 2>tight end formations was a significant factor. But also part

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<v Speaker 2>of his research though, was kind of the teams that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't leaning into that zeitgeist. Those teams wide receiver twos

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<v Speaker 2>from an NFL perspective, like t Higgins are undervalued from

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<v Speaker 2>a fantasy football standpoint. This is one of the top

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<v Speaker 2>touchdown scores in the NFL, and I feel like he

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<v Speaker 2>is going to go for what sixty percent of what

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<v Speaker 2>Jamar Chase goes for in an auction. So if just

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<v Speaker 2>say Jamar Chase is a fifty dollars player, as te

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<v Speaker 2>Higgins gonna be a thirty dollars player, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who I feel like is a pivotal guy.

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<v Speaker 1>For I'm not even sure he's going to be thirty

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<v Speaker 1>this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe not, Like I feel like that's a pivotal

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<v Speaker 2>guy for executing kind of the plan that you're discussing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's try to Let's not go like like

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<v Speaker 2>I would used to like I would used to do,

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<v Speaker 2>would be like get two really high price receivers, one

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<v Speaker 2>sort of medium price, and then dollar bitt it right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me get some of the some of the hype

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<v Speaker 5>up young.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys who kind of slipped through the cracks, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a great wide receiver room for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do that this year. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe I have to spread that out more evenly

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<v Speaker 2>among the wide receivers because that is going to allow

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<v Speaker 2>me to then approach the top end of the running

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<v Speaker 2>back board.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I think that if if we're looking for

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<v Speaker 3>that value, and one of the first things I led

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<v Speaker 3>the summer with and I'm still thinking about this because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not certain whether I'm right or not. But one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things I led by this my summer show

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<v Speaker 3>with was, Hey, I don't know that I care so

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<v Speaker 3>much about these twelve and fifteen dollars receivers in an auction,

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<v Speaker 3>because those are the type of players that fell off

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<v Speaker 3>a cliff last year that sort of disappeared. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>much rather spend up for a twenty eight dollars guy

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<v Speaker 3>twice than to go for three fifteen dollar guys. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I think you're right on here. And the t

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<v Speaker 3>Higgins thing is interesting. I was literally looking at this

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<v Speaker 3>last night because one of the things I was frustrated

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<v Speaker 3>with last summer was how expensive T Higgins was. He

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<v Speaker 3>slipped into the bottom of wide receiver one territory. He's

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<v Speaker 3>going around eleven or twelve last summer, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>this is crazy for T Higgins. But now he's in

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<v Speaker 3>the range where I want him, and in your poll

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<v Speaker 3>there with Joe's versus Jake is wonderful. I love that

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<v Speaker 3>the audience is going to love that too, because I

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<v Speaker 3>do think that's a really it's a really interesting storyline.

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<v Speaker 3>And I haven't talked about Tea a lot this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>But let me back up for a second from the

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<v Speaker 3>running back wide receiver talk. I want to hit the

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<v Speaker 3>onesie position here for a minute, because I know the

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<v Speaker 3>narrative on quarterback is a bit run away as well,

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<v Speaker 3>just like the running back narrative. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>come back to running backs and wide receivers here before

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<v Speaker 3>we get you out of here. But at quarterbacks specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll hit tight end here in a second. But at

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks specifically, I've been preaching this and I know others

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<v Speaker 3>are because I'm seeing it in the auction room. It

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<v Speaker 3>is so deep. There are so many guys that can

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<v Speaker 3>feasibly say this guy could be, you know, at QB one,

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<v Speaker 3>he could be end up top twelve, he can end

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<v Speaker 3>up top eight. There's really no reason to be spending up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's having two effects that I'm seeing. The first effect

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<v Speaker 3>is surprisingly the top quarterbacks are cheaper than they've ever

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<v Speaker 3>been in the auction rooms that I've been in the

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<v Speaker 3>past couple of summers, So guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

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<v Speaker 3>they're just cheaper and raw dollar value. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>second thing I'm seeing is that the mid tier quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 3>nobody cares about their falling off a cliff. I got

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow for five bucks the other night in the mock. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I do think they're The effect is people are having

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more of a like, I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>care too much. I kind of shrugged a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more at the quarterback position. Is that an opportunity for

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<v Speaker 3>us to go for the higher priced guys or no.

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<v Speaker 2>I was literally just about to ask, like the question

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<v Speaker 2>when we were discussing, like is it running back?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it wide receiver this year? Is Josh Allen the answer?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I'm I'm thinking it might be. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we just put out an article at Fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>Points that was was we called the brain Trust series

427
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<v Speaker 2>where we just asked a bunch of our staff members

428
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<v Speaker 2>and contributors, like an open ended question, who's your favorite

429
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<v Speaker 2>best ball pick this year? That's what the article was,

430
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Scott Barrett responded with Josh Allen, and

431
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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if some of his logic might also just

432
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<v Speaker 2>apply to auctions, like here is what Josh Allen has

433
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<v Speaker 2>finished by Fantasy points per game in the last six seasons,

434
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<v Speaker 2>QB one.

435
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<v Speaker 5>QB two, QB one, QB two, QB one, q BE one.

436
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<v Speaker 2>If Josh Allen doesn't get hurt, too bad, you're getting

437
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<v Speaker 2>You're getting about as guaranteed as a guy is to

438
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<v Speaker 2>be the number one overall player at his position as

439
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<v Speaker 2>anyone if I were to tell you, let me just

440
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<v Speaker 2>tell you every player in the NFL is going to

441
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<v Speaker 2>play seventeen games, which would make our jobs a lot

442
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<v Speaker 2>easier in general. But let's just let's just say that

443
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<v Speaker 2>just I am. I am like this this omnipresent football

444
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<v Speaker 2>injury God, and I have decided I'm turning injuries off

445
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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty six. Nobody gets hurt.

446
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<v Speaker 1>Love it? This sounds fun.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Who is the player you're going to be most confident

448
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<v Speaker 2>is going to be the number one finisher at their position?

449
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean Allen's got to be one of the

450
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<v Speaker 3>only three players I'm going to mention.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like McCaffrey would probably be around there, but like,

452
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<v Speaker 2>even still, you look at McCaffrey and you're like, man.

453
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<v Speaker 5>Jamier Gibbs.

454
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<v Speaker 2>If Jamier Gibbs doesn't get hurt, you know, Dejon Robinson

455
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get hurt. Now, Pooka maybe, but Jamar Chase has

456
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<v Speaker 2>won a triple crown recently, so Brock Bauers. But you

457
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<v Speaker 2>know what if Trey McBride catches one hundred and ten

458
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<v Speaker 2>passes again, you know, so, I think Josh Allen would

459
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<v Speaker 2>be right up there and getting that level of a guarantee.

460
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<v Speaker 5>Could that be the way for me to pivot?

461
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<v Speaker 2>And that's a really hard thing for me to wrap

462
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<v Speaker 2>my head around.

463
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<v Speaker 5>Because, like you said, geez man, I could just.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Get Brock Purty for one dollar and then I have

465
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<v Speaker 2>the money to spend on the running back. But you know,

466
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times at running back and receiver with

467
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<v Speaker 2>that money we have allocated in an auction, we're trying

468
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<v Speaker 2>to guess which guy doesn't get hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess Josh Allen could always get hurt too,

471
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<v Speaker 2>but he hasn't, and when he does, he plays hurt.

472
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<v Speaker 2>And when he plays hurt, even like last year, he

473
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<v Speaker 2>was still the number one quarterback in Fantasy. So I

474
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<v Speaker 2>wonder if that's the answer. Just spend for Josh Allen

475
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<v Speaker 2>because you are going to get a guaranteed, and this

476
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<v Speaker 2>is obviously in single quarterback formats. You're gonna get a

477
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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed top three finisher at his position, as good a

478
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<v Speaker 2>bed as anybody to finish number one at his position,

479
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<v Speaker 2>for a third of what Jamier Gibbs is.

480
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<v Speaker 5>Gonna cost, if not less than that. I don't know.

481
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I feel like the bell curve thing

482
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<v Speaker 2>with like the smooth brain guy, yeah, the geek and

483
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<v Speaker 2>then the genius, like right now is like, smooth ring

484
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<v Speaker 2>guy pays for Josh Allen. The Geek's like, no, you

485
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<v Speaker 2>can get brock Purty for one dollar, and then the

486
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.079
<v Speaker 2>genius is like, pay for Josh Allen. You know That's

487
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<v Speaker 2>what it kind of sounds like right now.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things too, that I always point out

490
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<v Speaker 3>to my listeners is that the sharper the room, the

491
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<v Speaker 3>more they like to play quarterback chicken. And that's also

492
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<v Speaker 3>where you're gonna find the value on those top quarterbacks,

493
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<v Speaker 3>because so many people in those sharp rooms think I

494
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<v Speaker 3>don't care, I can pick out a quarterback who's going

495
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<v Speaker 3>to perform.

496
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<v Speaker 1>And they lay off them.

497
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<v Speaker 3>And maybe even it's may not even be Josh Allen too.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Lamar Jackson has been far too cheap than the couple

499
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<v Speaker 3>of moncks I've done, which is weird to me, but

500
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<v Speaker 3>I guess I get it based on recent history, and

501
00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 3>we've got a changing on the guard there. We don't

502
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<v Speaker 3>know exactly what we're going to get yet, but even

503
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<v Speaker 3>if you go from Lamar Jackson, you might get him

504
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<v Speaker 3>for seventy percent or sixty percent of what Josh Allen

505
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<v Speaker 3>goes for.

506
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<v Speaker 1>So that's boy.

507
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<v Speaker 3>This is It's an interesting conversation because I've been banging

508
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<v Speaker 3>the drum all summer long about how deep quarterback is,

509
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's still a fine play. If you

510
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<v Speaker 3>want to go in there and get Dak Prescott and

511
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<v Speaker 3>Brock Purty and spend five total dollars, that still sounds

512
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<v Speaker 3>like a fine play to me. But I think it's

513
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<v Speaker 3>worth the conversation of the cheaper top quarterbacks coming back

514
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<v Speaker 3>into play. Let's shift to the other ones, the spot

515
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<v Speaker 3>which is the tight end spot and the conversation that

516
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<v Speaker 3>I hate to keep referencing this conversation, but we went

517
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<v Speaker 3>deep on auctions. The conversation I have with JJ was

518
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<v Speaker 3>that I hate picking those mid round tight ends because

519
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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity cost of who I could be drafting there

520
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<v Speaker 3>instead of a Kyle Puts, Pitts, er Tyler Warren or

521
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<v Speaker 3>somebody like that in those spots is too high. I

522
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<v Speaker 3>don't like to do that, but in auctions there's not

523
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<v Speaker 3>the same opportunity cost, it's a little bit easier to

524
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<v Speaker 3>go for those guys. What do you think is going

525
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<v Speaker 3>to be your tight end strategy.

526
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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably going to be more into getting into the

527
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<v Speaker 2>high end of it this year than in the past,

528
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<v Speaker 2>And if I do, I think there are two players

529
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<v Speaker 2>who I am particularly interested in. Those two players would

530
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<v Speaker 2>be obviously Brock Bowers, but also Colston Loveland. Some of

531
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<v Speaker 2>the numbers that Colston Loveland had last year when he

532
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<v Speaker 2>when the Bears went to three tight end sets, which

533
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, they're going to continue doing because not

534
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<v Speaker 2>only do they still have cole Comette on the roster,

535
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<v Speaker 2>they draft the same route in third round, so they

536
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<v Speaker 2>are planning on obviously this sets them up for the

537
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.799
<v Speaker 2>future when cole Comette walks, but also they're planning on

538
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>using those kind of formations. Colston Loveland, by the way,

539
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.759
<v Speaker 2>had a fifty two percent yardage share when they ran

540
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<v Speaker 2>three tight end sets. That is stupid, like that is ridiculous,

541
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<v Speaker 2>Like if they were if there was if there was

542
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 2>a passing play on a three tight end set, for

543
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the Chicago Bears. More than half of the yardage on

544
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<v Speaker 2>that was gained by Colston Loveland, not a tight end

545
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Coulston Loveland. So we're a little bit lower on Tray McBride.

546
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<v Speaker 2>Even though we have Trey McBride projected as our tight

547
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<v Speaker 2>end two this year, because of catch volume, we are

548
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>are our projection is like two hundred yards shy of

549
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 2>his yardage prop in in the sports books, So I'll

550
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>let somebody else pay up for Trey McBride. I think

551
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Brock Bowers very well could break fantasy football this year,

552
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 2>justin obviously he played hurt last year. They had the

553
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>worst offensive situation in the entire NFL, with the offensive

554
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>line being decimated in Gino playing like crap, Chip Kelly

555
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 2>calling the plays. I think Brock Bawers has a chance

556
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to break fantasy this year, and if he's coming in

557
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 2>cheaper than some of the top tight ends, I will

558
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 2>be entertaining that. And then but I'm really going to

559
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>be interested in those second year guy as well, Colson

560
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Lovelin and Tyler Warren. So if if I feel like

561
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<v Speaker 2>I priced out of that, I'm probably going to go

562
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 2>dumpster diving. But man, is it so much more appealing

563
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 2>to go dumpster diving at quarterback than it is tight end.

564
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Which is why, even though I just spent five minutes

565
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>ago talking about how maybe Josh Allen is the answer

566
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<v Speaker 2>to our questions here.

567
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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I might be more likely to draft.

568
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Brock Bowers than I am to draft Josh Allen.

569
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<v Speaker 5>Just because the image of of.

570
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Of Josh Allen and chigakon Quo on your on your

571
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>fantasy team visa VI Brock party and and Brock and

572
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Brock Bowers. I mean, I know which one mentally I'm taking,

573
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 2>even though the two Yeah, I take the two Brocks

574
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:46.519
<v Speaker 2>as well.

575
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

576
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was gonna ask you to parse Bowers and

577
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.200
<v Speaker 3>McBride for us, but it's pretty clear you like Bowers.

578
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you from a raw dollar perspective. I

579
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.519
<v Speaker 3>know every draft room is going to be different, but

580
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 3>do you feel about the actual number you're willing to spend,

581
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 3>Because most of the time we're talking straight up not

582
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 3>tight end premium, not any of the bells and whistles,

583
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.240
<v Speaker 3>just a straight up PPR league with the number one

584
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 3>tight end on the board. A lot of the times

585
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 3>we don't see that number crack thirty in most auction

586
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 3>drafts that I'm playing, But what is Bowers going to

587
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 3>go for me? He's going to go for more than

588
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.799
<v Speaker 3>thirty bucks in most I think.

589
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, if it's not cracking thirty, give me

590
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Brock Bowers and literally every league, like just giving them

591
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to me every league, you know, like because one of

592
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the things that I like about Bowers, and we're going

593
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to feel the same way obviously about Warren and Loveland

594
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>as well. I just talked about Loveland and three tight

595
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 2>end sets, but these guys are not Bowers is not

596
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>going to leave the field. He's a competent blocker, right,

597
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>so he isn't going to be somebody liking a Conquo

598
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>or like a Kyle Pitts who's going to run a

599
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 2>lower route share because of their blocking struggles. He is

600
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 2>going to be out there. I feel like anything up

601
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 2>to like forty forty five would be palatable for Brock Bawers.

602
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 5>And I know, like if you're an auction player and.

603
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>You're listening to this and you're like, man, I hate

604
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 2>doing that for one of the onesie positions. But again,

605
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like in in today's meta in the NFL,

606
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>knowing what teams are going to do.

607
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 5>Knowing what Clint.

608
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Kubiak does, I know brock Bawers isn't leaving the field.

609
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I know he's somebody who's gonna be out there if

610
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<v Speaker 2>they're in a run heavy game script or in a

611
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.440
<v Speaker 2>pass heavy game script. He is by far, I mean

612
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 2>by far, their best receiver. Like it's not even close, right,

613
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>even if they signed Stefan Diggs, He's still going to

614
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>be by.

615
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 5>Far their best receiver.

616
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<v Speaker 2>That's a player I'm just kind of willing to bet

617
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 2>on for twenty twenty six. And I am not a

618
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>spend up for tight end guy. I wasn't even back

619
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 2>when Gronk was breaking fantasy football leagues. I missed that train,

620
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and my strategy worked when Gronk and then later Travis

621
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Kelcey were breaking fantasy football leagues. But Brock Bawers is

622
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>in a tier to his own, and I wonder if

623
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>coming off of such an injury plague season, the fact

624
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>that you know the Raiders are projected to be a

625
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 2>bad team, the fact that he's still in ways theoretically

626
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 2>the next great like league breaking tight end, I wonder

627
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>if he's going to come in under those prime Gronk

628
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and Prime Kelsey prices. I tend to think that he will,

629
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and that's probably where I'm going to be willing to

630
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>buy in. So these the ones he positions like, I

631
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 2>feel like those are the ones where maybe that edge

632
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>is going to be exploitable this year.

633
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I think you're absolutely right about the price on Bowers,

634
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 3>because we'd be having a little bit different conversation too

635
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.319
<v Speaker 3>if his year had gone a little different injury wise.

636
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that.

637
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 3>If we're getting Bowers low to mid thirties, which I

638
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 3>think is completely achievable in some of these rooms, that

639
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 3>I think we need to think about it. And one

640
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 3>of the things that we don't talk about enough is

641
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.599
<v Speaker 3>that he's going to provide what amounts to basically a

642
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 3>wide receiver one production. You can talk about a low

643
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 3>end wide receiver one as your tight end that's worth spending,

644
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 3>and the price is vastly different than what you're paying

645
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 3>for those wide receiver ones. So that's something that isn't

646
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 3>pointed out enough when we do auctions. And look, Joe,

647
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm with you. I've never been a spend up a

648
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 3>tight end guy. I just never have been. I only

649
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 3>do that in my ten teamers, because I don't believe

650
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 3>in twelve and fourteen teamers that I like my bills,

651
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 3>but I'm certainly considering it, and I'm going to put

652
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:31.839
<v Speaker 3>something out here that I'm sure a lot of people

653
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:32.519
<v Speaker 3>aren't going to love.

654
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 1>But McBride.

655
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 3>The bloom is off the rose this summer on McBride.

656
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 3>I'm waiting for a price to be too low on McBride.

657
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that I'm targeting him whatsoever, but if

658
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.960
<v Speaker 3>people are nervous about him because of the offense, because

659
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 3>of the heavy run scripts, because of all of the

660
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>noise around how he runs ring so many routes last year,

661
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 3>more than any other tight end in the league, and

662
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>the volume was dependent a lot on the game scripts

663
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 3>they were in. So I get all the warts with McBride,

664
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 3>But if he comes in way too cheap because people

665
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.640
<v Speaker 3>are nervous, and that can happen in auctions, that magnification

666
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 3>effect of everybody in the room is just kind of like, yeah,

667
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't care, and then all of a sudden he's

668
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 3>twenty three bucks, I'm going to be saying twenty four.

669
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's that's one of the things with McBride,

670
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>even though our projection is a little bit lower on him,

671
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>and keep in mind, but not that I think people

672
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>are going to overreact too much if Kobe Prisett doesn't show.

673
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 2>But Chakobe Pressett is still in an active holdout. I

674
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>think everybody on the planet expects that to get resolved somehow.

675
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, can't Gardner Minshew get him the ball? Like

676
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Gardner Minshew's kind of made a career of that. So no,

677
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm a little lower on McBride and he's

678
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.279
<v Speaker 2>not one of the guys I'm actively targeting, but he's

679
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>got he's got that kind of prime zach Ertz to him, right.

680
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Like yes, yeah, the low the low, the low.

681
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Yards per reception. But holy crap, is are there some

682
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>games where you're going up against a train McBride and

683
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.039
<v Speaker 2>you're like, would you please stop throwing.

684
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Him him through to somebody else?

685
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 5>Like please?

686
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I know, like, and their defense is gonna suck again,

687
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I just don't think they have a pass rush,

688
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 2>So there is going to be that element as well.

689
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just that now with Harrison, you know, Michael Wilson

690
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>had a little bit of a breakout season. We have

691
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 2>people in our company who are very divided on Michael

692
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Wilson by the way, right, he hates him this year,

693
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>which which is fun to kind of get his perspective.

694
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.920
<v Speaker 2>But then, of course, Jeremiah Love. You know, they can

695
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>say all they want. Well, I'm gonna catch myself here.

696
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say they can say all they want, They're

697
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 2>not They're not. They don't want to make them a belkow.

698
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>But we have seen far too many times where a

699
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>highly touted rookie running back is getting pulled off the

700
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>field in favor of Tyler Algier. As a matter of fact,

701
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 2>it happened two years ago in favor of Tyler Algier

702
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>with Bjeon Robinson.

703
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>So Tyler, Yeah, with the.

704
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 5>Actual Tyler Algier.

705
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 2>So uh no, But Jeremiah Love is going to get

706
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.360
<v Speaker 2>the ball, you know, they signed Tyler Algier or James

707
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Connor still there. I do think there is a high

708
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 2>likelihood and I mean I'm not exactly going out on

709
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a limb here, but I do think there's a high

710
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.159
<v Speaker 2>likelihood that Trade McBride catches more than one hundred and

711
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty six passes this season.

712
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, but you know, and again it comes down

713
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 3>to what where does he settle in. Even if he's

714
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 3>a ninety catch guy, maybe the prices are going to

715
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 3>reflect that. And again this is this is me talking

716
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 3>off the cuff here because I am not a McBride

717
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 3>guy this year, but I'm afraid that enough people are

718
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 3>not that I'm going to see a really low price

719
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.159
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to need to react to that. So

720
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 3>just putting that in everybody's brains, be ready to react.

721
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's the thing that that that can be

722
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>so challenging in auctions, right, because even if you don't

723
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like a player, we filter all of our lens through ADP. Right, Oh,

724
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I'd like him if he was two rounds cheaper. All

725
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, the guy gets cheaper, you know. Get

726
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you drink a couple of do you drink a couple

727
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of Bruskis, and you're like, oh man, that guy I

728
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 2>thought he was a five. Well he's an eight now, baby,

729
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 2>let's go you know, like uh that that that's kind

730
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of how it goes, right, you know. And so McBride

731
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 2>might be a player like that. But the one of

732
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>the things I would like to encourage people to do. Obviously,

733
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're listening to this, you know how to do auctions.

734
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>But my whole line is is if your entire team

735
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 2>is full of values, your team's gonna suck.

736
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 5>You know.

737
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 2>So, like if you're just like, oh, that guy was

738
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>too cheap, even though I understand why he was cheap,

739
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh that guy, like, your team's not going to be

740
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>very good. You're going to have to You're going to

741
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.559
<v Speaker 2>have to restluly spend on some level.

742
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Yeah.

743
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 3>I always say you just there's somebody that you're going

744
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>to have to overspend on. There's going to be a

745
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 3>couple guys on your team that you don't like the

746
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 3>price on them, But that's probably good because that means

747
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 3>they are popular, they're expected to be good producers. You're

748
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 3>not trying to get deals on your best players. You're

749
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 3>trying to get deals on other players that you feel

750
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 3>I cannot perform their price. So all right, we're running

751
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:52.679
<v Speaker 3>just a little low on time. I want to get

752
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 3>a couple guys that you are targeting and avoiding. But

753
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 3>before we do that, just a general auction question. I

754
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 3>was going to leave this show with this, but let

755
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 3>me just say that I believe that auctions are a

756
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 3>game where far more than serpentine drafts it's about who

757
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.199
<v Speaker 3>makes the fewest mistakes. Are there a couple of things

758
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.519
<v Speaker 3>that you see auction drafters do repeatedly, or just one

759
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 3>thing or two things that you think that people do

760
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 3>repeatedly that are mistakes that people need to quit doing.

761
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Well. Number one is there's always going to be the

762
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>guy in your league. I have yet to be in

763
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>an auction league where somebody didn't have like thirty bucks

764
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>left over it at the end of the season. Of course,

765
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the guy who did that in our league last year

766
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>we clowned on him. He was in his first auction.

767
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 2>He won the freaking league. But like, ultimately that is

768
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 2>not a winning strategy. Okay, you have to spend your money.

769
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 2>That being said, you also have a finite number of

770
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:53.199
<v Speaker 2>roster spots, so you have two versions of currency in

771
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.119
<v Speaker 2>an auction draft. You have your allocated budget and you

772
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.559
<v Speaker 2>have your roster spots. So like it doesn't matter if

773
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 2>you got if you got values on a bunch of

774
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>like one to two dollars, guys, if you fill your roster,

775
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't get extra roster spots to fill

776
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that with. So Number one, it's leaving money on the table.

777
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not utilizing what I call the hammer. When you

778
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>have the hammer, you want to you want to kind

779
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>of wax and wane between having the hammer and then

780
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>going back to.

781
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.599
<v Speaker 5>The lower lower part of the board.

782
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>On remaining money. That's kind of how I think people

783
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>should do it with auctions. But I mean, in general,

784
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>just one thing that I have put in my plan

785
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>every single year, and I'm going to continue to put

786
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>in my plan every single year.

787
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 5>I am just going to.

788
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Copy and paste it right over from last year. I've

789
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 2>done this for six years and I'm going to continue

790
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to do it. There is no.

791
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 5>Reason ever to spend more than one dollar on a

792
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.239
<v Speaker 5>kick or defense.

793
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.320
<v Speaker 2>No reason to do it unless unless it's like your

794
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>last roster spot and you know you have two dollars

795
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.599
<v Speaker 2>left and you just want to get out. That's fine,

796
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that's that's that's one thing to do. The other thing

797
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>to do is when you have only one or two

798
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 2>roster spots left and you have a player you really want,

799
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.039
<v Speaker 2>always make your maximum bid, and if somebody outbids your

800
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 2>maximum bid, so be it.

801
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 5>But you lead with.

802
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Your maximum bid. The final one or two roster spots

803
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 2>is not the time to mess around with the money

804
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you have left over. If there is one or two

805
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>players you want and you know I need to get

806
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 2>one of these two guys. You make your maximum bid.

807
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>If somebody out bids you, so be it. But you god.

808
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Not making your maximum bid and then getting out bid

809
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>from a bid that you could have matched is the

810
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>worst feeling in an auction when it happens.

811
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's something that when you're down to those

812
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.840
<v Speaker 3>last couple of roster spots, it doesn't matter what your

813
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.840
<v Speaker 3>last one or two guys are, if you get that

814
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 3>one player you really want and messing around, like you said,

815
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 3>it's an awful feeling when you mess around. And I

816
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:53.039
<v Speaker 3>talk about that sometimes with people who like the market

817
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 3>price in force or like to bid people up. You

818
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 3>make that mistake at the high levels and it really

819
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 3>ruined your draft.

820
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.840
<v Speaker 5>It it can kill you. One more line, Drew you you, I'm.

821
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Sorry I'm talking over you, and you brought something up

822
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>to my mind. Never get into bidding war for a

823
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 2>player unless you're okay winning that bidding war.

824
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, never do it.

825
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Like if you if you were like, oh, I let's

826
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 2>just for instance, say I hate Derek Henry this year,

827
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>which I don't, but just let's just say, for instance,

828
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I do, but oh man, he's only thirty two bucks,

829
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 2>even though I already have my number one running back.

830
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:32.280
<v Speaker 5>That's too low.

831
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Somebody's gonna get I got to bid him up so

832
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.280
<v Speaker 2>he gets to forty seven, forty eight dollars, and then

833
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>you get him. Well, now you have somebody you clogging

834
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 2>your roster that you didn't want, and you have somebody

835
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>taking part of taking your budget away, and now you

836
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have budget to spend on players who actually want.

837
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 2>That is a huge mistake. Do not, like you said,

838
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 2>price and force. Do not do that unless you are

839
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>comfortable winning the bidding war. If somebody else gets a value,

840
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>so be it.

841
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's that's That's a great way to finish there,

842
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 3>because you have when you're doing auctions, you have to

843
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 3>get comfortable with people getting deals. It's just gonna happen.

844
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Just shrug and move on. Say hey, great play. Because

845
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 3>you can't take every deal. You just can, and you

846
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 3>referenced it earlier. Your roster will look worse if you

847
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 3>try to take every deal. Okay, well, let's end the show,

848
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.760
<v Speaker 3>because gosh, this is flown by I think we could

849
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>do three hours just talking auctions. But I want to

850
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 3>get a couple of your opinions on specific guys. This

851
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 3>is what my audience loves. So let's start with a

852
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.840
<v Speaker 3>couple of fades, some guys that you're just really not

853
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 3>that interested in right now. You know, I know it's

854
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 3>early July, but what are you thinking right now?

855
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm really really I'm really really squeamish on chrysal Lave.

856
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I know he made me look wrong last year, and

857
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 2>credit to him, he had an incredible season. But the

858
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>concussion history, the fact that Jordan Tyson has been drafted,

859
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and another thing that's kind of scaring me as people

860
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of propping up the Saints is like this year's

861
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of under the radar hot team. That scares me

862
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. There's players going around Chris Alave at

863
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the running back position, at the wide receiver position who

864
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I like more. I think I like Nico Collins a

865
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit more. Like I said, I think T Higgins

866
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>is one of my favorite players to draft in all

867
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of fantasy football right now. A player who I am

868
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I am very squeamish on as well is Jeremiah Love.

869
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I love the player. I am going

870
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to have some shares in best ball and obviously, if

871
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I had the number one overall pick in Dynasty, I

872
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 2>would be taking Jeremiah Love. Nonetheless, I am scared to

873
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>death that the Cardinals are going to look at the

874
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 2>running backs they have on their roster and say Tyler

875
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Lgb's to cat one hundred and fifty carries and that

876
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>would absolutely kneecap Jeremiah Love's value. So at the top

877
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 2>of the board, those are two guys who I am

878
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit scared on at the who are kind

879
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 2>of high priced, who I'm I'm not really thrill old

880
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 2>about drafting.

881
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:01.480
<v Speaker 5>At their cost.

882
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are the love thing scares me too, because

883
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't think the offensive line's very good, the defense

884
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 3>could be pretty bad, and if they run with a

885
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 3>three man committee back there, it's going to be ugly

886
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 3>for fantasy.

887
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you.

888
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you one other guy who burned people last year,

889
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>even though his final stats look pretty good. I have

890
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 2>not been able to get myself to click on is

891
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Travon Henderson good.

892
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I've been able to get.

893
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Myself to click on him at all, And I understand

894
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 2>the ways that can make me look stupid. You know,

895
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you look at that buffalo game late last season, that

896
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that thirty five thirty one shootout when he had three touchdowns,

897
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.559
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, man, that looks like Devon chanon me,

898
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.559
<v Speaker 2>that looks like that kind of field tilting player. But

899
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>the lack of third down stuff, the way they trust

900
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Romandre Stevenson in those situations, and Mondrick's still there, you know.

901
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.559
<v Speaker 2>And then then now they have aj Brown, they have

902
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Romeo Dobbs, so the passing game should be better. Yeah,

903
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Trayvon Henderson is kind of one of those middle round

904
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>players I've had a hard time clicking on. And somebody

905
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 2>who's probably gonna go for above twenty dollars in your

906
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 2>auction just because of the running back position. That scares

907
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit.

908
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and again in sharp rooms, they're not gonna let

909
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 3>him go for under twenty. He's just not gonna You're

910
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 3>never gonna find value in a sharp room on him. Okay, well,

911
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 3>let's end on a positive note. How about a couple

912
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 3>of guys. I'm gonna ban t Higgins from this category.

913
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 3>You've already talked much talked about him a bunch. Yeah,

914
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 3>that's all right, that's all right. Now talk about whoever

915
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 3>you want. Who are you liking right now.

916
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>So a player who I didn't mention earlier, but you

917
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 2>talked about like the tier of player. I just kind

918
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 2>of gathered in the way you were talking that you

919
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>must be a David Montgomery guy this year.

920
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I am. Yeah.

921
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 5>So I liken that.

922
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Very similarly to how Joe Mixon was getting drafted two

923
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 2>years ago when he landed in Houston, obviously before all

924
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 2>the crap went down and he has the mystery injury

925
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and he'll never play football again, it looks like at

926
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.800
<v Speaker 2>this point, but for like three months, Joe Mixon was

927
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 2>an awesome value with the Houston Texans, and you look

928
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 2>at what they did to the assets they used to

929
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>acquire David Montgomery were real assets. You know that they

930
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.119
<v Speaker 2>gave up some good picks for him, and I think

931
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>they really want to really want to get back to

932
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>running the ball well. They did not do it well

933
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.199
<v Speaker 2>at all last year. Woody Marks is not that kind

934
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of player. David Montgomery, I think, is a great running

935
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>back that you can add to Nobody's going to be

936
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>excited to draft him, right And I think you can

937
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 2>win in an auction by drafting the right guys that

938
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 2>nobody's excited to draft.

939
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Joe, you're preaching my language.

940
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.840
<v Speaker 2>So like, I don't like unless David Montgomery is really

941
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 2>comes off the board, And I guess it's possible where

942
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>he comes off the board as like the twenty second

943
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.039
<v Speaker 2>running back in your auction, and it's very clear that

944
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 2>he's the only guy left who has bell cow potential.

945
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there could be a bidding more, but I

946
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>don't think anybody's going to be excited about it, you know,

947
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 2>Like David Montgomery is one of my guys who I

948
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 2>think you can execute a lot of strategies with him.

949
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if Kenny Gainwell is getting a little bit

950
00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.360
<v Speaker 2>too expensive in the zero RB realm just because people

951
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.119
<v Speaker 2>hate Bucky after last year and what's going on with him.

952
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>But he's a player who I drafted quite a bit

953
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of early in the off season, and I wonder, you know,

954
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Heath did an article right next to me. Zane

955
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Denani at Fantasy Points just did an article for us

956
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that broke down why guys who run deep routes a

957
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Speaker 2>lot are not the boom guys. It's actually the guys

958
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>who run more shorter routes that boom more often than

959
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 2>those guys. Just they're more consistent and they have higher ceilings.

960
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 2>This is a lower end wide receiver. But I wonder

961
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 2>will Alec Pierce's role change all that much without Michael

962
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Pittman there, and if it changes all that if it

963
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't change all that much. Can you get Josh Downs

964
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 2>for like two bucks? And Josh Downs is gonna catch

965
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>seventy passes?

966
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 5>I think that's.

967
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Possibly maybe not at the King's Classic, but yes, you

968
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 3>can get him at your home leagues for a couple

969
00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:00.079
<v Speaker 3>of bucks. Well, hey, man, this is great. I Like

970
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 3>I said, we could talk for three hours about auctions.

971
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 3>But I know my audience is going to love this.

972
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 3>And it's been a lot of fun chatting with you, Joe.

973
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Anytime we get together and talk auctions. Yeah, you always

974
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.440
<v Speaker 3>make me feel good because we think a lot of

975
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.679
<v Speaker 3>the same things. So yeah, thank you for being here.

976
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I can just run my freaking mouth like crazy talking

977
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. But I mean, Drew, We're gonna have to

978
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>have some auction talk on the Sunday Sunday afternoon show

979
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>on Sirius XM. And I'll have you on the morning

980
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 2>show when when you're all from.

981
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.440
<v Speaker 5>Your day job.

982
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, man, I can I can absolutely do that,

983
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 3>and this has been a whole lot of fun. Just

984
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 3>tell everybody where they can find you on socials and

985
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 3>where they can find your work.

986
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>At fg Underscore Dolan on Twitter. I post on Instagram,

987
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.840
<v Speaker 2>but not really a whole lot of fantasy stuff. I'm

988
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>at Joe Dolan Fantasy There or Dolan Fantasy Points. I

989
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>forget which one. That's how much I use Instagram. But

990
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>you can also find all of my work on series

991
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>on my audio work on Series XM Morning Show, which

992
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 2>are going to seven to nine starting on July sixth,

993
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the Fantasy Points YouTube channel, the Fantasy Points Betting YouTube

994
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 2>channel where I host the Best bet Show with Tom

995
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Brawley and the Motion Man. We've had John Hanson on there,

996
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and some of my written work, including on my auction

997
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 2>draft plane, will be up at fantasypoints dot com.

998
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 3>Well I'm looking forward to reading that auction plan and

999
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 3>everybody else should be too. So thanks again to Joe

1000
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Dolan from Fantasy Points. This has been a fun discussion

1001
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.039
<v Speaker 3>and lightning giving us a lot of things to think

1002
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.639
<v Speaker 3>about here just a couple weeks away from training camp.

1003
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Thanks again to Fantasy Points for bringing me on as

1004
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 3>part of the team. And giving me a show. I

1005
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 3>hope to make you proud. So that's been another week

1006
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 3>of discussions with Drew. All Right, that's going to wrap up.

1007
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Another week of discussions with Drew. As we strive to

1008
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 3>talk with the smartest people in the business every single week.

1009
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 3>Don't forget to tune in Thursday Morning Solo Time and

1010
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.039
<v Speaker 3>the Auction Brief. Mike, thank you so much for joining

1011
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>us this week. I'll talk to you real soon. The

1012
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Auction Brief is adjourned.

1013
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 4>The Auction Brief is adjourn that'll do it for this

1014
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 4>week's episode. See you next time on the Auction Brief.