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Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, Welcome into the Auction Brief. As the lady said,
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Drew Davenport, and thank you so much
Speaker 3: for joining me for another episode. As you know, we
Speaker 3: have one goal here on the Auction Brief, and that
Speaker 3: is to help all of you win more titles. And
Speaker 3: one of the ways that we do that is by
Speaker 3: bringing the best and brightest minds in the fantasy community
Speaker 3: on here from my weekly disc Dicussions with Drew. These
Speaker 3: conversations are there to help you with the most difficult
Speaker 3: fantasy situations you're going to face in your drafts this summer.
Speaker 1: Let's not delay.
Speaker 3: Let's get right to this week's guest on another installment
Speaker 3: of Discussions with Drew.
Speaker 4: Time for Discussions with Drew, in depth conversations with the
Speaker 4: brightest minds in the fantasy industry.
Speaker 3: Welcome into this week's discussions with Drew. Our guest for
Speaker 3: you this week is auction expert and officionado Joe Dolan.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to have him here. We're going to die
Speaker 1: deep in up today.
Speaker 3: Joe happens to be the owner and editor in chief
Speaker 3: over at Fantasy Points as well as a serious XM host,
Speaker 3: radio show of the Year host from FSGA, as well
Speaker 3: as a three time award notmin to be with FSWA.
Speaker 3: That's a mouthful. That's quite a bio, Joe, Welcome to
Speaker 3: the show man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Drew.
Speaker 2: It's great to be with you. Great to be talking
Speaker 2: auctions with you. I have to tell you, by the way,
Speaker 2: I don't know you've gone Paul with this. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've announced it on your podcast, but I
Speaker 2: want to make sure to congratulate you and Brian Drake
Speaker 2: on the new Serious x and Fantasy Points Weekend Show,
Speaker 2: which is really launching us into fantasy football talk here.
Speaker 2: I think unsure of when this is going to debut,
Speaker 2: this particular podcast, but I do know that the weekend
Speaker 2: show is debuting on July the twelfth, on Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 5: I believe two to.
Speaker 1: Four PM five PM started.
Speaker 2: Probably should know that, given it's under our banner, But
Speaker 2: I mean bringing more auction talk to the masses, I'm
Speaker 2: sure on that particular platform, and really let me spread
Speaker 2: your wings. I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 1: True, I'm excited too. Man.
Speaker 3: It's it's I just can't believe I'm getting the opportunity
Speaker 3: I of View and Fantasy Points team to think.
Speaker 1: And I'll never stop being grateful for that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, we're not going to try to
Speaker 3: force the auction stuff on people, but hey, if it
Speaker 3: comes up, it comes up, and I think it's a
Speaker 3: great way to keep pushing this. And honestly, man, that's
Speaker 3: something I wanted to talk about today. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to JJ Zacharyesen a couple of days ago
Speaker 3: and I'm on his show and he says, like, how
Speaker 3: do we make this more mainstream? I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I think about that every day because I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that auctions are growing at the same pace that Fantasy
Speaker 3: football itself is growing.
Speaker 1: So what do we do about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the number one is you know, are
Speaker 2: you I'm sure you're well familiar with the Dave Matthews band, right, sure,
Speaker 2: and like live music and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 2: was watching a YouTube video on like the history of
Speaker 2: all the stuff that comes up on YouTube right that
Speaker 2: that you just that just winds into one another, and
Speaker 2: there came up to be an interview with the Dave
Speaker 2: Matthews bands. Their their manager, and what he was was
Speaker 2: when they came up in Charlottesville, Virginia. They he was
Speaker 2: a club owner and they were one of the acts
Speaker 2: that frequented the club, and he saw the potential in
Speaker 2: this band. But he was like, you know, the way
Speaker 2: that we're not going to do this. We're not going
Speaker 2: to try to get them in front of a music executive,
Speaker 2: you know, and put out this like kind of small,
Speaker 2: sy glossy record and then have them open for bigger acts.
Speaker 5: That that's not going to work for this band.
Speaker 2: He's like, we got to get people in the door,
Speaker 2: we got to get people in the building. We've got
Speaker 2: to get people experiencing this firsthand. I think that that's
Speaker 2: kind of like a simple explanation for auctions. It's like
Speaker 2: you just gotta get into one, and then you've got
Speaker 2: to realize, like the adrenaline rush is so much different
Speaker 2: than a normal fantasy draft and quite frankly, look, I'm
Speaker 2: on an auction podcast. I do an auction draft plan
Speaker 2: at Fantasy Points. I'll probably get that out in the
Speaker 2: next week or two, obviously with some tweaks for this year.
Speaker 2: And I have to admit, you know, Drew, that auctions
Speaker 2: are a very small part of my fantasy draft portfolio.
Speaker 2: You know, they take up more time. You know, you
Speaker 2: have to be constantly on the ball. You can't just
Speaker 2: be like, oh, all right, I have the I have
Speaker 2: the twelfth pick, so I know I'm gonna pick back
Speaker 2: to back and then I can go stretch my legs,
Speaker 2: take a walk around the park, go take a smoke break,
Speaker 2: and then by the time I come in, I'll be
Speaker 2: six picks away. You know, like stuff like that, auctions,
Speaker 2: you got to be on your toes, and I think
Speaker 2: for some people that's a little bit daunting.
Speaker 5: You know, I used to be in a.
Speaker 2: Fantasy NBA league and that was an auction that would
Speaker 2: go late at night, and at some point I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a fantasy basketball quote unquote expert the way
Speaker 2: I am a fantasy football quote unquote expert.
Speaker 5: So an auction in a league, in a.
Speaker 2: League the NBA that I'm not a that I'm not
Speaker 2: really dialed into can get can become a little bit
Speaker 2: of a slog. But I feel like if you get
Speaker 2: somebody who's in multiple fantasy leagues and just say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: let's do this, let's do it for ten bucks, see
Speaker 2: how we like it. Let's let's just run auction and
Speaker 2: see how people like it. I think that's the only
Speaker 2: way to get it mainstream is to get people into
Speaker 2: a league. And I think convincing twelve people, ten to
Speaker 2: twelve people to do that might be the most challenging part,
Speaker 2: because you know there's no set it and forget it
Speaker 2: option in an auction. As a matter of fact, if
Speaker 2: you are a set it and forget it person, that
Speaker 2: ruins the experience for everybody else.
Speaker 5: So you really need people.
Speaker 1: To be engaged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you hit on two important points
Speaker 3: here is one of them is your NBA auction analogy
Speaker 3: there is perfect because it is a bit of a slog.
Speaker 3: If that's not something that you're really into, you get
Speaker 3: three quarters of the way through that thing and you're like, Jesus,
Speaker 3: is this going to end? And I understand that aspect
Speaker 3: of it, But the way I've been selling it to
Speaker 3: a lot of people in the business to try to
Speaker 3: get more excitement about it and get more conversation around it.
Speaker 3: Is by saying, if you are an aspect fantasy football,
Speaker 3: and if you really do know what you're doing, then
Speaker 3: you should want to do an auction because I think
Speaker 3: it magnified your edges and I think it makes you
Speaker 3: a better player if that's your thing. But you make
Speaker 3: a great point that if it's not your thing, it
Speaker 3: does feel.
Speaker 1: Like a bit of a log and I understand that.
Speaker 3: So well, let's talk a little bit about last year,
Speaker 3: just super quick. I know people don't love this topic,
Speaker 3: but I love it because I get these smart people
Speaker 3: on my show and I like to hear what their
Speaker 3: take is from last year. Did you have something in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five auctions that happened to you or that
Speaker 3: you're thinking about that you're going to stress for this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll be completely honest. The most success I've
Speaker 2: had in my auction leagues in years past was spreading
Speaker 2: my spend around at the wide receiver position and either
Speaker 2: going hero RB or effectively zero RB. And last year
Speaker 2: was just the freaking worst year possible for that. Drew
Speaker 2: and it flipped the entire fantasy industry on his head.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that Ryan heath Over at
Speaker 2: Fantasy Points has researched, certainly somebody you'll probably be interested
Speaker 2: in having on the show on Sirius XM is he
Speaker 2: found that wide receiver twos and not like wide receiver
Speaker 2: twos in like a team's Z receiver, right, but wide
Speaker 2: receiver twos from a fantasy football perspective. Their scoring fell
Speaker 2: precipitously this season and probably twenty twenty four as well,
Speaker 2: when kind of that running back revolution happened with Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley and Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs and trying to
Speaker 2: get those guys the fantasy wide receiver two you know,
Speaker 2: your meat and potatoes thirteen to fifteen fantasy point per
Speaker 2: game guys you know who occasionally would have a spike week.
Speaker 2: It was a feudal exercise, and it was something that
Speaker 2: just really kicked me in the teeth from my own perspective,
Speaker 2: and it's going to cause me to take a much
Speaker 2: deeper look this year as to whether or not that's
Speaker 2: something that's going to continue. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: going to continue. Look at all these teams buying a
Speaker 2: second and a third tight ends in free agency and
Speaker 2: the NFL draft. But is there another place where we
Speaker 2: can have an edge as opposed to just kind of
Speaker 2: going old school and saying, oh, running back, running back,
Speaker 2: spending up at running backs the way to go. I'm
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent sure of that right now, Drew,
Speaker 2: and I'm really interested to hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: I agree with you because I started out this summer
Speaker 3: talking a little bit about how I think we're really
Speaker 3: gonna have to concentrate on getting those alpha receivers that
Speaker 3: are commanding that thirty percent target share, and then when
Speaker 3: I got into it, I've had done a couple mocks recently,
Speaker 3: and those.
Speaker 1: Top guys are really overpriced so far.
Speaker 3: And I understand MOX can kind of enhance that a
Speaker 3: little bit because people want to show off a starting
Speaker 3: lineup that looks pretty, But I still think those top
Speaker 3: guys are going to be a little bit overpriced. And
Speaker 3: when I say overpriced, I'm not necessarily saying that that's
Speaker 3: an incorrect price. It's just too much for me and
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be paying sixty six dollars for Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3: That's just it's never It's not in my blood to
Speaker 3: do that for auctions. I don't like my builds when
Speaker 3: I do that. So my take on it has been
Speaker 3: that we need to swing the pendulum back toward running
Speaker 3: back a little bit, but we don't want to swing
Speaker 3: it too far because I still believe that auctions are
Speaker 3: the place where zigging when others are zagging is really
Speaker 3: the play that you have to make, even more than
Speaker 3: in a serpentine because it rewards the uniqueness in the
Speaker 3: auction room. So I'm not sure I'm going to swing
Speaker 3: all the way back. What I've come to the conclusion
Speaker 3: of is there are a lot of veteran running backs
Speaker 3: that qualify for what we formally call the dead zone,
Speaker 3: but who are actually very useful because of the prevalence
Speaker 3: of twelve and thirteen personnel in the NFL, Now that's
Speaker 3: using more running backs, and instead of that wide receiver
Speaker 3: two or wide receiver three sort of archetype that we
Speaker 3: were chasing in auctions, maybe we need to be chasing
Speaker 3: the running backs there. So I guess that's probably my
Speaker 3: first question for you, is how are you going to
Speaker 3: treat running backs? I mean, the prices are a little
Speaker 3: bit crazy there too. So I haven't formalized my draft
Speaker 3: plan yet. I know you haven't. It's it's you know,
Speaker 3: early July. But what are your thoughts about running back
Speaker 3: this year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like I've got to allocate
Speaker 2: some more spending than I have in years past. But
Speaker 2: the question becomes, yeah, you know, I always get weary
Speaker 2: and this is like kind of a hurdle I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to get over Mentally. Let's just say I spend
Speaker 2: up in my draft for Jonathan Taylor and Chase Brown. Okay,
Speaker 2: what's that gonna cost me? Ninety ninety five but close
Speaker 2: to half of my budget? That makes me so queasy
Speaker 2: given the history of the running back position prior to
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, and that's just never where
Speaker 2: I've had success in auctions spending my money.
Speaker 3: You know, like THEAE.
Speaker 2: Like so, but I feel like I do kind of
Speaker 2: have to approach it that way. But then from another angle,
Speaker 2: if I do approach it that way, I feel like
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna approach it that way, you know, running back.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about running back though in an auction,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, they've never been cheap.
Speaker 5: You know, there was never there.
Speaker 1: That's why we went to wide receiver, right.
Speaker 2: So they've never Even when I was having success spreading
Speaker 2: my spend around at the wide receiver position, my edge
Speaker 2: was because the running backs were still expensive, even though
Speaker 2: wide receiver was the more stable position. That was my
Speaker 2: edge entirely. My edge entirely was because I was getting
Speaker 2: a more stable, a more durable position in a league
Speaker 2: that favored the pass for seventy five eighty eighty five
Speaker 2: percent of the value that the top running backs were
Speaker 2: going for. And even when wide receivers were the way
Speaker 2: to go, running backs were still more expensive.
Speaker 5: So now we have to navigate a landscape where running
Speaker 5: backs are just.
Speaker 2: As expensive as they've ever been and there might not
Speaker 2: be an edge top instead pivoting to wide receiver. That
Speaker 2: is really tricky for me this year, and again I
Speaker 2: still don't know exactly how I'm going to approach that. So,
Speaker 2: like I mean, if I don't think, if you don't
Speaker 2: have running backs this year, and you haven't had them
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, you've you've been you've been
Speaker 2: up up the creek, man. Like you know, Scott Barrett
Speaker 2: always has a line that we never want to hear
Speaker 2: as as fantasy football players, but certainly as people like
Speaker 2: you and I who are creating content that really only
Speaker 2: like a handful of guys actually matter in fantasy every year. Right,
Speaker 2: you look at the advance rates in ESPN leagues and
Speaker 2: their playoffs because they make that data available.
Speaker 5: I'm sure Sleeper.
Speaker 2: Does too on some level, and you're like, oh, this
Speaker 2: guy was on forty percent of league winning teams. This
Speaker 2: guy was on thirty percent of league winning teams, And
Speaker 2: it's it's really kind of humbling to see just how
Speaker 2: few guys are are are affecting leagues that way. But
Speaker 2: if you didn't have those guys at the running back
Speaker 2: position in the last couple of years, you have not
Speaker 2: won a heck of a lot of anything. So it's
Speaker 2: a real big challenge this year, and I'm still not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure how I'm going to approach that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I've started to realize, And first of all,
Speaker 3: I love talking to you, Joe, because every time we talk,
Speaker 3: it really it's great confirmation bias for me because I
Speaker 3: spend a lot of summer shouting into the void in
Speaker 3: my show by myself talking about these concepts, and I
Speaker 3: start to think every once in a while, like, am
Speaker 3: I getting this right? Am I crazy? But talking to
Speaker 3: you always grounds me and it makes me think, Okay,
Speaker 3: I am on the right track here. So I'm with
Speaker 3: you about the fact that I haven't settled this yet.
Speaker 3: That's why this conversation for both of us is going
Speaker 3: to be immensely.
Speaker 5: Let me know what you figure it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a text.
Speaker 3: Well, So I think what I'm leaning towards at this
Speaker 3: point is there are still wide receivers I find to
Speaker 3: be relatively quote unquote value at this point, guys like
Speaker 3: Nico Collins. I'm on Rosse Brown even is a little
Speaker 3: bit lower than some of these top guys, and I
Speaker 3: still think that we can do that. But one of
Speaker 3: the things that I talked about with JJ was that
Speaker 3: there are some wide receivers that are in that mid
Speaker 3: twenties range that are really you can get quite a
Speaker 3: few of them in that range. And there are guys
Speaker 3: that have upside that you know, you were talking like
Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin, types Tet McMillan, We're talking, you know, even
Speaker 3: guys like Christian Watson fifteen to eighteen dollars. And I'm
Speaker 3: not excited about a lot of these guys, but you know,
Speaker 3: you can put together a lot of these guys for
Speaker 3: like one hundred and ten bucks. You can get like
Speaker 3: five of these guys for one hundred and ten bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that might be the shotgun approach, right,
Speaker 2: like just trying to get all those middle tier guys.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine what the Christian Watson bidding war is
Speaker 2: going to look like in my auction league, and that
Speaker 2: it's gonna have a bunch of Fantasy Points guys in
Speaker 2: it and Fantasy Points adjacent guys in it. By the way,
Speaker 2: if I ever have a spot open up, I know
Speaker 2: who to reach out to get you in there. But
Speaker 2: let me go back to a guy who I think
Speaker 2: is actually a pretty pivotal player for me this year
Speaker 2: because it aligns with some of of Ryan Heath's research,
Speaker 2: T Higgins. Last year, t Higgins played twelve games drew
Speaker 2: in which a Joe started at quarterback, that being Burrow
Speaker 2: or Flacco. He had Jake Browning in the other games
Speaker 2: that he played, and in those games he averaged thirteen
Speaker 2: point seven Fantasy points per game in underdog's half PPR scoring,
Speaker 2: which was the equivalent of Chris Alave, who was basically
Speaker 2: the wide receiver nine in that scoring, and the three
Speaker 2: games he played with Jake Browning he averaged just five
Speaker 2: point five fantasy points per game, so it dropped him
Speaker 2: to like the wide receiver twelve in fantasy points per game.
Speaker 2: But he also is the guy who finished wide receiver
Speaker 2: four in Underdog scoring in twenty twenty four. And this guy,
Speaker 2: let's just let's just call his ADP just because it's
Speaker 2: kind of easier to talk about than average auction value.
Speaker 2: He's wide receiver fifteen right now on Underdog, so he's
Speaker 2: being drafted as a wide receiver two now. As I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Ryan Heath examined the downfall of fantasy wide
Speaker 2: receiver twos and unsurprisingly, his conclusion was that the heavy
Speaker 2: tight end formations was a significant factor. But also part
Speaker 2: of his research though, was kind of the teams that
Speaker 2: aren't leaning into that zeitgeist. Those teams wide receiver twos
Speaker 2: from an NFL perspective, like t Higgins are undervalued from
Speaker 2: a fantasy football standpoint. This is one of the top
Speaker 2: touchdown scores in the NFL, and I feel like he
Speaker 2: is going to go for what sixty percent of what
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase goes for in an auction. So if just
Speaker 2: say Jamar Chase is a fifty dollars player, as te
Speaker 2: Higgins gonna be a thirty dollars player, that's kind of
Speaker 2: a guy who I feel like is a pivotal guy.
Speaker 1: For I'm not even sure he's going to be thirty
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not, Like I feel like that's a pivotal
Speaker 2: guy for executing kind of the plan that you're discussing.
Speaker 2: All right, let's try to Let's not go like like
Speaker 2: I would used to like I would used to do,
Speaker 2: would be like get two really high price receivers, one
Speaker 2: sort of medium price, and then dollar bitt it right, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, just.
Speaker 5: Let me get some of the some of the hype
Speaker 5: up young.
Speaker 2: Guys who kind of slipped through the cracks, and that's
Speaker 2: going to be a great wide receiver room for me.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that this year. I feel
Speaker 2: like maybe I have to spread that out more evenly
Speaker 2: among the wide receivers because that is going to allow
Speaker 2: me to then approach the top end of the running
Speaker 2: back board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think that if if we're looking for
Speaker 3: that value, and one of the first things I led
Speaker 3: the summer with and I'm still thinking about this because
Speaker 3: I'm not certain whether I'm right or not. But one
Speaker 3: of the things I led by this my summer show
Speaker 3: with was, Hey, I don't know that I care so
Speaker 3: much about these twelve and fifteen dollars receivers in an auction,
Speaker 3: because those are the type of players that fell off
Speaker 3: a cliff last year that sort of disappeared. And I'm
Speaker 3: much rather spend up for a twenty eight dollars guy
Speaker 3: twice than to go for three fifteen dollar guys. And
Speaker 3: so I think you're right on here. And the t
Speaker 3: Higgins thing is interesting. I was literally looking at this
Speaker 3: last night because one of the things I was frustrated
Speaker 3: with last summer was how expensive T Higgins was. He
Speaker 3: slipped into the bottom of wide receiver one territory. He's
Speaker 3: going around eleven or twelve last summer, and I thought,
Speaker 3: this is crazy for T Higgins. But now he's in
Speaker 3: the range where I want him, and in your poll
Speaker 3: there with Joe's versus Jake is wonderful. I love that
Speaker 3: the audience is going to love that too, because I
Speaker 3: do think that's a really it's a really interesting storyline.
Speaker 3: And I haven't talked about Tea a lot this summer.
Speaker 3: But let me back up for a second from the
Speaker 3: running back wide receiver talk. I want to hit the
Speaker 3: onesie position here for a minute, because I know the
Speaker 3: narrative on quarterback is a bit run away as well,
Speaker 3: just like the running back narrative. And we're going to
Speaker 3: come back to running backs and wide receivers here before
Speaker 3: we get you out of here. But at quarterbacks specifically,
Speaker 3: we'll hit tight end here in a second. But at
Speaker 3: quarterbacks specifically, I've been preaching this and I know others
Speaker 3: are because I'm seeing it in the auction room. It
Speaker 3: is so deep. There are so many guys that can
Speaker 3: feasibly say this guy could be, you know, at QB one,
Speaker 3: he could be end up top twelve, he can end
Speaker 3: up top eight. There's really no reason to be spending up.
Speaker 3: It's having two effects that I'm seeing. The first effect
Speaker 3: is surprisingly the top quarterbacks are cheaper than they've ever
Speaker 3: been in the auction rooms that I've been in the
Speaker 3: past couple of summers, So guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: they're just cheaper and raw dollar value. And then the
Speaker 3: second thing I'm seeing is that the mid tier quarterbacks
Speaker 3: nobody cares about their falling off a cliff. I got
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow for five bucks the other night in the mock. Again,
Speaker 3: it's a mock like grain of salt, I understand, but
Speaker 3: I do think they're The effect is people are having
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a like, I don't really
Speaker 3: care too much. I kind of shrugged a little bit
Speaker 3: more at the quarterback position. Is that an opportunity for
Speaker 3: us to go for the higher priced guys or no.
Speaker 2: I was literally just about to ask, like the question
Speaker 2: when we were discussing, like is it running back?
Speaker 5: Is it wide receiver this year? Is Josh Allen the answer?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm I'm thinking it might be. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, we just put out an article at Fantasy
Speaker 2: Points that was was we called the brain Trust series
Speaker 2: where we just asked a bunch of our staff members
Speaker 2: and contributors, like an open ended question, who's your favorite
Speaker 2: best ball pick this year? That's what the article was,
Speaker 2: And you know, Scott Barrett responded with Josh Allen, and
Speaker 2: I wonder if some of his logic might also just
Speaker 2: apply to auctions, like here is what Josh Allen has
Speaker 2: finished by Fantasy points per game in the last six seasons,
Speaker 2: QB one.
Speaker 5: QB two, QB one, QB two, QB one, q BE one.
Speaker 2: If Josh Allen doesn't get hurt, too bad, you're getting
Speaker 2: You're getting about as guaranteed as a guy is to
Speaker 2: be the number one overall player at his position as
Speaker 2: anyone if I were to tell you, let me just
Speaker 2: tell you every player in the NFL is going to
Speaker 2: play seventeen games, which would make our jobs a lot
Speaker 2: easier in general. But let's just let's just say that
Speaker 2: just I am. I am like this this omnipresent football
Speaker 2: injury God, and I have decided I'm turning injuries off
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six. Nobody gets hurt.
Speaker 1: Love it? This sounds fun.
Speaker 2: Who is the player you're going to be most confident
Speaker 2: is going to be the number one finisher at their position?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Allen's got to be one of the
Speaker 3: only three players I'm going to mention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like McCaffrey would probably be around there, but like,
Speaker 2: even still, you look at McCaffrey and you're like, man.
Speaker 5: Jamier Gibbs.
Speaker 2: If Jamier Gibbs doesn't get hurt, you know, Dejon Robinson
Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt. Now, Pooka maybe, but Jamar Chase has
Speaker 2: won a triple crown recently, so Brock Bauers. But you
Speaker 2: know what if Trey McBride catches one hundred and ten
Speaker 2: passes again, you know, so, I think Josh Allen would
Speaker 2: be right up there and getting that level of a guarantee.
Speaker 5: Could that be the way for me to pivot?
Speaker 2: And that's a really hard thing for me to wrap
Speaker 2: my head around.
Speaker 5: Because, like you said, geez man, I could just.
Speaker 2: Get Brock Purty for one dollar and then I have
Speaker 2: the money to spend on the running back. But you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of times at running back and receiver with
Speaker 2: that money we have allocated in an auction, we're trying
Speaker 2: to guess which guy doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess Josh Allen could always get hurt too,
Speaker 2: but he hasn't, and when he does, he plays hurt.
Speaker 2: And when he plays hurt, even like last year, he
Speaker 2: was still the number one quarterback in Fantasy. So I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's the answer. Just spend for Josh Allen
Speaker 2: because you are going to get a guaranteed, and this
Speaker 2: is obviously in single quarterback formats. You're gonna get a
Speaker 2: guaranteed top three finisher at his position, as good a
Speaker 2: bed as anybody to finish number one at his position,
Speaker 2: for a third of what Jamier Gibbs is.
Speaker 5: Gonna cost, if not less than that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like the bell curve thing
Speaker 2: with like the smooth brain guy, yeah, the geek and
Speaker 2: then the genius, like right now is like, smooth ring
Speaker 2: guy pays for Josh Allen. The Geek's like, no, you
Speaker 2: can get brock Purty for one dollar, and then the
Speaker 2: genius is like, pay for Josh Allen. You know That's
Speaker 2: what it kind of sounds like right now.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: One of the things too, that I always point out
Speaker 3: to my listeners is that the sharper the room, the
Speaker 3: more they like to play quarterback chicken. And that's also
Speaker 3: where you're gonna find the value on those top quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: because so many people in those sharp rooms think I
Speaker 3: don't care, I can pick out a quarterback who's going
Speaker 3: to perform.
Speaker 1: And they lay off them.
Speaker 3: And maybe even it's may not even be Josh Allen too.
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson has been far too cheap than the couple
Speaker 3: of moncks I've done, which is weird to me, but
Speaker 3: I guess I get it based on recent history, and
Speaker 3: we've got a changing on the guard there. We don't
Speaker 3: know exactly what we're going to get yet, but even
Speaker 3: if you go from Lamar Jackson, you might get him
Speaker 3: for seventy percent or sixty percent of what Josh Allen
Speaker 3: goes for.
Speaker 1: So that's boy.
Speaker 3: This is It's an interesting conversation because I've been banging
Speaker 3: the drum all summer long about how deep quarterback is,
Speaker 3: and I think it's still a fine play. If you
Speaker 3: want to go in there and get Dak Prescott and
Speaker 3: Brock Purty and spend five total dollars, that still sounds
Speaker 3: like a fine play to me. But I think it's
Speaker 3: worth the conversation of the cheaper top quarterbacks coming back
Speaker 3: into play. Let's shift to the other ones, the spot
Speaker 3: which is the tight end spot and the conversation that
Speaker 3: I hate to keep referencing this conversation, but we went
Speaker 3: deep on auctions. The conversation I have with JJ was
Speaker 3: that I hate picking those mid round tight ends because
Speaker 3: the opportunity cost of who I could be drafting there
Speaker 3: instead of a Kyle Puts, Pitts, er Tyler Warren or
Speaker 3: somebody like that in those spots is too high. I
Speaker 3: don't like to do that, but in auctions there's not
Speaker 3: the same opportunity cost, it's a little bit easier to
Speaker 3: go for those guys. What do you think is going
Speaker 3: to be your tight end strategy.
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to be more into getting into the
Speaker 2: high end of it this year than in the past,
Speaker 2: And if I do, I think there are two players
Speaker 2: who I am particularly interested in. Those two players would
Speaker 2: be obviously Brock Bowers, but also Colston Loveland. Some of
Speaker 2: the numbers that Colston Loveland had last year when he
Speaker 2: when the Bears went to three tight end sets, which
Speaker 2: by the way, they're going to continue doing because not
Speaker 2: only do they still have cole Comette on the roster,
Speaker 2: they draft the same route in third round, so they
Speaker 2: are planning on obviously this sets them up for the
Speaker 2: future when cole Comette walks, but also they're planning on
Speaker 2: using those kind of formations. Colston Loveland, by the way,
Speaker 2: had a fifty two percent yardage share when they ran
Speaker 2: three tight end sets. That is stupid, like that is ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Like if they were if there was if there was
Speaker 2: a passing play on a three tight end set, for
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears. More than half of the yardage on
Speaker 2: that was gained by Colston Loveland, not a tight end
Speaker 2: Coulston Loveland. So we're a little bit lower on Tray McBride.
Speaker 2: Even though we have Trey McBride projected as our tight
Speaker 2: end two this year, because of catch volume, we are
Speaker 2: are our projection is like two hundred yards shy of
Speaker 2: his yardage prop in in the sports books, So I'll
Speaker 2: let somebody else pay up for Trey McBride. I think
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers very well could break fantasy football this year,
Speaker 2: justin obviously he played hurt last year. They had the
Speaker 2: worst offensive situation in the entire NFL, with the offensive
Speaker 2: line being decimated in Gino playing like crap, Chip Kelly
Speaker 2: calling the plays. I think Brock Bawers has a chance
Speaker 2: to break fantasy this year, and if he's coming in
Speaker 2: cheaper than some of the top tight ends, I will
Speaker 2: be entertaining that. And then but I'm really going to
Speaker 2: be interested in those second year guy as well, Colson
Speaker 2: Lovelin and Tyler Warren. So if if I feel like
Speaker 2: I priced out of that, I'm probably going to go
Speaker 2: dumpster diving. But man, is it so much more appealing
Speaker 2: to go dumpster diving at quarterback than it is tight end.
Speaker 2: Which is why, even though I just spent five minutes
Speaker 2: ago talking about how maybe Josh Allen is the answer
Speaker 2: to our questions here.
Speaker 5: I feel like I might be more likely to draft.
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers than I am to draft Josh Allen.
Speaker 5: Just because the image of of.
Speaker 2: Of Josh Allen and chigakon Quo on your on your
Speaker 2: fantasy team visa VI Brock party and and Brock and
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers. I mean, I know which one mentally I'm taking,
Speaker 2: even though the two Yeah, I take the two Brocks
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna ask you to parse Bowers and
Speaker 3: McBride for us, but it's pretty clear you like Bowers.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you from a raw dollar perspective. I
Speaker 3: know every draft room is going to be different, but
Speaker 3: do you feel about the actual number you're willing to spend,
Speaker 3: Because most of the time we're talking straight up not
Speaker 3: tight end premium, not any of the bells and whistles,
Speaker 3: just a straight up PPR league with the number one
Speaker 3: tight end on the board. A lot of the times
Speaker 3: we don't see that number crack thirty in most auction
Speaker 3: drafts that I'm playing, But what is Bowers going to
Speaker 3: go for me? He's going to go for more than
Speaker 3: thirty bucks in most I think.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, if it's not cracking thirty, give me
Speaker 2: Brock Bowers and literally every league, like just giving them
Speaker 2: to me every league, you know, like because one of
Speaker 2: the things that I like about Bowers, and we're going
Speaker 2: to feel the same way obviously about Warren and Loveland
Speaker 2: as well. I just talked about Loveland and three tight
Speaker 2: end sets, but these guys are not Bowers is not
Speaker 2: going to leave the field. He's a competent blocker, right,
Speaker 2: so he isn't going to be somebody liking a Conquo
Speaker 2: or like a Kyle Pitts who's going to run a
Speaker 2: lower route share because of their blocking struggles. He is
Speaker 2: going to be out there. I feel like anything up
Speaker 2: to like forty forty five would be palatable for Brock Bawers.
Speaker 5: And I know, like if you're an auction player and.
Speaker 2: You're listening to this and you're like, man, I hate
Speaker 2: doing that for one of the onesie positions. But again,
Speaker 2: I just feel like in in today's meta in the NFL,
Speaker 2: knowing what teams are going to do.
Speaker 5: Knowing what Clint.
Speaker 2: Kubiak does, I know brock Bawers isn't leaving the field.
Speaker 2: I know he's somebody who's gonna be out there if
Speaker 2: they're in a run heavy game script or in a
Speaker 2: pass heavy game script. He is by far, I mean
Speaker 2: by far, their best receiver. Like it's not even close, right,
Speaker 2: even if they signed Stefan Diggs, He's still going to
Speaker 2: be by.
Speaker 5: Far their best receiver.
Speaker 2: That's a player I'm just kind of willing to bet
Speaker 2: on for twenty twenty six. And I am not a
Speaker 2: spend up for tight end guy. I wasn't even back
Speaker 2: when Gronk was breaking fantasy football leagues. I missed that train,
Speaker 2: and my strategy worked when Gronk and then later Travis
Speaker 2: Kelcey were breaking fantasy football leagues. But Brock Bawers is
Speaker 2: in a tier to his own, and I wonder if
Speaker 2: coming off of such an injury plague season, the fact
Speaker 2: that you know the Raiders are projected to be a
Speaker 2: bad team, the fact that he's still in ways theoretically
Speaker 2: the next great like league breaking tight end, I wonder
Speaker 2: if he's going to come in under those prime Gronk
Speaker 2: and Prime Kelsey prices. I tend to think that he will,
Speaker 2: and that's probably where I'm going to be willing to
Speaker 2: buy in. So these the ones he positions like, I
Speaker 2: feel like those are the ones where maybe that edge
Speaker 2: is going to be exploitable this year.
Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right about the price on Bowers,
Speaker 3: because we'd be having a little bit different conversation too
Speaker 3: if his year had gone a little different injury wise.
Speaker 1: And I believe that.
Speaker 3: If we're getting Bowers low to mid thirties, which I
Speaker 3: think is completely achievable in some of these rooms, that
Speaker 3: I think we need to think about it. And one
Speaker 3: of the things that we don't talk about enough is
Speaker 3: that he's going to provide what amounts to basically a
Speaker 3: wide receiver one production. You can talk about a low
Speaker 3: end wide receiver one as your tight end that's worth spending,
Speaker 3: and the price is vastly different than what you're paying
Speaker 3: for those wide receiver ones. So that's something that isn't
Speaker 3: pointed out enough when we do auctions. And look, Joe,
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I've never been a spend up a
Speaker 3: tight end guy. I just never have been. I only
Speaker 3: do that in my ten teamers, because I don't believe
Speaker 3: in twelve and fourteen teamers that I like my bills,
Speaker 3: but I'm certainly considering it, and I'm going to put
Speaker 3: something out here that I'm sure a lot of people
Speaker 3: aren't going to love.
Speaker 1: But McBride.
Speaker 3: The bloom is off the rose this summer on McBride.
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for a price to be too low on McBride.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I'm targeting him whatsoever, but if
Speaker 3: people are nervous about him because of the offense, because
Speaker 3: of the heavy run scripts, because of all of the
Speaker 3: noise around how he runs ring so many routes last year,
Speaker 3: more than any other tight end in the league, and
Speaker 3: the volume was dependent a lot on the game scripts
Speaker 3: they were in. So I get all the warts with McBride,
Speaker 3: But if he comes in way too cheap because people
Speaker 3: are nervous, and that can happen in auctions, that magnification
Speaker 3: effect of everybody in the room is just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't care, and then all of a sudden he's
Speaker 3: twenty three bucks, I'm going to be saying twenty four.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's one of the things with McBride,
Speaker 2: even though our projection is a little bit lower on him,
Speaker 2: and keep in mind, but not that I think people
Speaker 2: are going to overreact too much if Kobe Prisett doesn't show.
Speaker 2: But Chakobe Pressett is still in an active holdout. I
Speaker 2: think everybody on the planet expects that to get resolved somehow.
Speaker 2: I mean, can't Gardner Minshew get him the ball? Like
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew's kind of made a career of that. So no,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a little lower on McBride and he's
Speaker 2: not one of the guys I'm actively targeting, but he's
Speaker 2: got he's got that kind of prime zach Ertz to him, right.
Speaker 1: Like yes, yeah, the low the low, the low.
Speaker 2: Yards per reception. But holy crap, is are there some
Speaker 2: games where you're going up against a train McBride and
Speaker 2: you're like, would you please stop throwing.
Speaker 1: Him him through to somebody else?
Speaker 5: Like please?
Speaker 2: Like I know, like, and their defense is gonna suck again,
Speaker 2: Like I just don't think they have a pass rush,
Speaker 2: So there is going to be that element as well.
Speaker 2: It's just that now with Harrison, you know, Michael Wilson
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a breakout season. We have
Speaker 2: people in our company who are very divided on Michael
Speaker 2: Wilson by the way, right, he hates him this year,
Speaker 2: which which is fun to kind of get his perspective.
Speaker 2: But then, of course, Jeremiah Love. You know, they can
Speaker 2: say all they want. Well, I'm gonna catch myself here.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say they can say all they want, They're
Speaker 2: not They're not. They don't want to make them a belkow.
Speaker 2: But we have seen far too many times where a
Speaker 2: highly touted rookie running back is getting pulled off the
Speaker 2: field in favor of Tyler Algier. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: it happened two years ago in favor of Tyler Algier
Speaker 2: with Bjeon Robinson.
Speaker 1: So Tyler, Yeah, with the.
Speaker 5: Actual Tyler Algier.
Speaker 2: So uh no, But Jeremiah Love is going to get
Speaker 2: the ball, you know, they signed Tyler Algier or James
Speaker 2: Connor still there. I do think there is a high
Speaker 2: likelihood and I mean I'm not exactly going out on
Speaker 2: a limb here, but I do think there's a high
Speaker 2: likelihood that Trade McBride catches more than one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty six passes this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you know, and again it comes down
Speaker 3: to what where does he settle in. Even if he's
Speaker 3: a ninety catch guy, maybe the prices are going to
Speaker 3: reflect that. And again this is this is me talking
Speaker 3: off the cuff here because I am not a McBride
Speaker 3: guy this year, but I'm afraid that enough people are
Speaker 3: not that I'm going to see a really low price
Speaker 3: and I'm going to need to react to that. So
Speaker 3: just putting that in everybody's brains, be ready to react.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing that that that can be
Speaker 2: so challenging in auctions, right, because even if you don't
Speaker 2: like a player, we filter all of our lens through ADP. Right, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'd like him if he was two rounds cheaper. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the guy gets cheaper, you know. Get
Speaker 2: you drink a couple of do you drink a couple
Speaker 2: of Bruskis, and you're like, oh man, that guy I
Speaker 2: thought he was a five. Well he's an eight now, baby,
Speaker 2: let's go you know, like uh that that that's kind
Speaker 2: of how it goes, right, you know. And so McBride
Speaker 2: might be a player like that. But the one of
Speaker 2: the things I would like to encourage people to do. Obviously,
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this, you know how to do auctions.
Speaker 2: But my whole line is is if your entire team
Speaker 2: is full of values, your team's gonna suck.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: So, like if you're just like, oh, that guy was
Speaker 2: too cheap, even though I understand why he was cheap,
Speaker 2: Oh that guy, like, your team's not going to be
Speaker 2: very good. You're going to have to You're going to
Speaker 2: have to restluly spend on some level.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always say you just there's somebody that you're going
Speaker 3: to have to overspend on. There's going to be a
Speaker 3: couple guys on your team that you don't like the
Speaker 3: price on them, But that's probably good because that means
Speaker 3: they are popular, they're expected to be good producers. You're
Speaker 3: not trying to get deals on your best players. You're
Speaker 3: trying to get deals on other players that you feel
Speaker 3: I cannot perform their price. So all right, we're running
Speaker 3: just a little low on time. I want to get
Speaker 3: a couple guys that you are targeting and avoiding. But
Speaker 3: before we do that, just a general auction question. I
Speaker 3: was going to leave this show with this, but let
Speaker 3: me just say that I believe that auctions are a
Speaker 3: game where far more than serpentine drafts it's about who
Speaker 3: makes the fewest mistakes. Are there a couple of things
Speaker 3: that you see auction drafters do repeatedly, or just one
Speaker 3: thing or two things that you think that people do
Speaker 3: repeatedly that are mistakes that people need to quit doing.
Speaker 2: Well. Number one is there's always going to be the
Speaker 2: guy in your league. I have yet to be in
Speaker 2: an auction league where somebody didn't have like thirty bucks
Speaker 2: left over it at the end of the season. Of course,
Speaker 2: the guy who did that in our league last year
Speaker 2: we clowned on him. He was in his first auction.
Speaker 2: He won the freaking league. But like, ultimately that is
Speaker 2: not a winning strategy. Okay, you have to spend your money.
Speaker 2: That being said, you also have a finite number of
Speaker 2: roster spots, so you have two versions of currency in
Speaker 2: an auction draft. You have your allocated budget and you
Speaker 2: have your roster spots. So like it doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: you got if you got values on a bunch of
Speaker 2: like one to two dollars, guys, if you fill your roster,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't get extra roster spots to fill
Speaker 2: that with. So Number one, it's leaving money on the table.
Speaker 2: It's not utilizing what I call the hammer. When you
Speaker 2: have the hammer, you want to you want to kind
Speaker 2: of wax and wane between having the hammer and then
Speaker 2: going back to.
Speaker 5: The lower lower part of the board.
Speaker 2: On remaining money. That's kind of how I think people
Speaker 2: should do it with auctions. But I mean, in general,
Speaker 2: just one thing that I have put in my plan
Speaker 2: every single year, and I'm going to continue to put
Speaker 2: in my plan every single year.
Speaker 5: I am just going to.
Speaker 2: Copy and paste it right over from last year. I've
Speaker 2: done this for six years and I'm going to continue
Speaker 2: to do it. There is no.
Speaker 5: Reason ever to spend more than one dollar on a
Speaker 5: kick or defense.
Speaker 2: No reason to do it unless unless it's like your
Speaker 2: last roster spot and you know you have two dollars
Speaker 2: left and you just want to get out. That's fine,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's one thing to do. The other thing
Speaker 2: to do is when you have only one or two
Speaker 2: roster spots left and you have a player you really want,
Speaker 2: always make your maximum bid, and if somebody outbids your
Speaker 2: maximum bid, so be it.
Speaker 5: But you lead with.
Speaker 2: Your maximum bid. The final one or two roster spots
Speaker 2: is not the time to mess around with the money
Speaker 2: you have left over. If there is one or two
Speaker 2: players you want and you know I need to get
Speaker 2: one of these two guys. You make your maximum bid.
Speaker 2: If somebody out bids you, so be it. But you god.
Speaker 2: Not making your maximum bid and then getting out bid
Speaker 2: from a bid that you could have matched is the
Speaker 2: worst feeling in an auction when it happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's something that when you're down to those
Speaker 3: last couple of roster spots, it doesn't matter what your
Speaker 3: last one or two guys are, if you get that
Speaker 3: one player you really want and messing around, like you said,
Speaker 3: it's an awful feeling when you mess around. And I
Speaker 3: talk about that sometimes with people who like the market
Speaker 3: price in force or like to bid people up. You
Speaker 3: make that mistake at the high levels and it really
Speaker 3: ruined your draft.
Speaker 5: It it can kill you. One more line, Drew you you, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry I'm talking over you, and you brought something up
Speaker 2: to my mind. Never get into bidding war for a
Speaker 2: player unless you're okay winning that bidding war.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, never do it.
Speaker 2: Like if you if you were like, oh, I let's
Speaker 2: just for instance, say I hate Derek Henry this year,
Speaker 2: which I don't, but just let's just say, for instance,
Speaker 2: I do, but oh man, he's only thirty two bucks,
Speaker 2: even though I already have my number one running back.
Speaker 5: That's too low.
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get I got to bid him up so
Speaker 2: he gets to forty seven, forty eight dollars, and then
Speaker 2: you get him. Well, now you have somebody you clogging
Speaker 2: your roster that you didn't want, and you have somebody
Speaker 2: taking part of taking your budget away, and now you
Speaker 2: don't have budget to spend on players who actually want.
Speaker 2: That is a huge mistake. Do not, like you said,
Speaker 2: price and force. Do not do that unless you are
Speaker 2: comfortable winning the bidding war. If somebody else gets a value,
Speaker 2: so be it.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's That's a great way to finish there,
Speaker 3: because you have when you're doing auctions, you have to
Speaker 3: get comfortable with people getting deals. It's just gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Just shrug and move on. Say hey, great play. Because
Speaker 3: you can't take every deal. You just can, and you
Speaker 3: referenced it earlier. Your roster will look worse if you
Speaker 3: try to take every deal. Okay, well, let's end the show,
Speaker 3: because gosh, this is flown by I think we could
Speaker 3: do three hours just talking auctions. But I want to
Speaker 3: get a couple of your opinions on specific guys. This
Speaker 3: is what my audience loves. So let's start with a
Speaker 3: couple of fades, some guys that you're just really not
Speaker 3: that interested in right now. You know, I know it's
Speaker 3: early July, but what are you thinking right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really really I'm really really squeamish on chrysal Lave.
Speaker 2: I know he made me look wrong last year, and
Speaker 2: credit to him, he had an incredible season. But the
Speaker 2: concussion history, the fact that Jordan Tyson has been drafted,
Speaker 2: and another thing that's kind of scaring me as people
Speaker 2: kind of propping up the Saints is like this year's
Speaker 2: kind of under the radar hot team. That scares me
Speaker 2: a little bit. There's players going around Chris Alave at
Speaker 2: the running back position, at the wide receiver position who
Speaker 2: I like more. I think I like Nico Collins a
Speaker 2: little bit more. Like I said, I think T Higgins
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite players to draft in all
Speaker 2: of fantasy football right now. A player who I am
Speaker 2: I am very squeamish on as well is Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I love the player. I am going
Speaker 2: to have some shares in best ball and obviously, if
Speaker 2: I had the number one overall pick in Dynasty, I
Speaker 2: would be taking Jeremiah Love. Nonetheless, I am scared to
Speaker 2: death that the Cardinals are going to look at the
Speaker 2: running backs they have on their roster and say Tyler
Speaker 2: Lgb's to cat one hundred and fifty carries and that
Speaker 2: would absolutely kneecap Jeremiah Love's value. So at the top
Speaker 2: of the board, those are two guys who I am
Speaker 2: a little bit scared on at the who are kind
Speaker 2: of high priced, who I'm I'm not really thrill old
Speaker 2: about drafting.
Speaker 5: At their cost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are the love thing scares me too, because
Speaker 3: I don't think the offensive line's very good, the defense
Speaker 3: could be pretty bad, and if they run with a
Speaker 3: three man committee back there, it's going to be ugly
Speaker 3: for fantasy.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one other guy who burned people last year,
Speaker 2: even though his final stats look pretty good. I have
Speaker 2: not been able to get myself to click on is
Speaker 2: Travon Henderson good.
Speaker 1: I've been able to get.
Speaker 2: Myself to click on him at all, And I understand
Speaker 2: the ways that can make me look stupid. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at that buffalo game late last season, that
Speaker 2: that thirty five thirty one shootout when he had three touchdowns,
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, that looks like Devon chanon me,
Speaker 2: that looks like that kind of field tilting player. But
Speaker 2: the lack of third down stuff, the way they trust
Speaker 2: Romandre Stevenson in those situations, and Mondrick's still there, you know.
Speaker 2: And then then now they have aj Brown, they have
Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs, so the passing game should be better. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Trayvon Henderson is kind of one of those middle round
Speaker 2: players I've had a hard time clicking on. And somebody
Speaker 2: who's probably gonna go for above twenty dollars in your
Speaker 2: auction just because of the running back position. That scares
Speaker 2: me a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again in sharp rooms, they're not gonna let
Speaker 3: him go for under twenty. He's just not gonna You're
Speaker 3: never gonna find value in a sharp room on him. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: let's end on a positive note. How about a couple
Speaker 3: of guys. I'm gonna ban t Higgins from this category.
Speaker 3: You've already talked much talked about him a bunch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all right, that's all right. Now talk about whoever
Speaker 3: you want. Who are you liking right now.
Speaker 2: So a player who I didn't mention earlier, but you
Speaker 2: talked about like the tier of player. I just kind
Speaker 2: of gathered in the way you were talking that you
Speaker 2: must be a David Montgomery guy this year.
Speaker 1: I am. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I liken that.
Speaker 2: Very similarly to how Joe Mixon was getting drafted two
Speaker 2: years ago when he landed in Houston, obviously before all
Speaker 2: the crap went down and he has the mystery injury
Speaker 2: and he'll never play football again, it looks like at
Speaker 2: this point, but for like three months, Joe Mixon was
Speaker 2: an awesome value with the Houston Texans, and you look
Speaker 2: at what they did to the assets they used to
Speaker 2: acquire David Montgomery were real assets. You know that they
Speaker 2: gave up some good picks for him, and I think
Speaker 2: they really want to really want to get back to
Speaker 2: running the ball well. They did not do it well
Speaker 2: at all last year. Woody Marks is not that kind
Speaker 2: of player. David Montgomery, I think, is a great running
Speaker 2: back that you can add to Nobody's going to be
Speaker 2: excited to draft him, right And I think you can
Speaker 2: win in an auction by drafting the right guys that
Speaker 2: nobody's excited to draft.
Speaker 1: Yes, Joe, you're preaching my language.
Speaker 2: So like, I don't like unless David Montgomery is really
Speaker 2: comes off the board, And I guess it's possible where
Speaker 2: he comes off the board as like the twenty second
Speaker 2: running back in your auction, and it's very clear that
Speaker 2: he's the only guy left who has bell cow potential.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there could be a bidding more, but I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's going to be excited about it, you know,
Speaker 2: Like David Montgomery is one of my guys who I
Speaker 2: think you can execute a lot of strategies with him.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Kenny Gainwell is getting a little bit
Speaker 2: too expensive in the zero RB realm just because people
Speaker 2: hate Bucky after last year and what's going on with him.
Speaker 2: But he's a player who I drafted quite a bit
Speaker 2: of early in the off season, and I wonder, you know,
Speaker 2: Ryan Heath did an article right next to me. Zane
Speaker 2: Denani at Fantasy Points just did an article for us
Speaker 2: that broke down why guys who run deep routes a
Speaker 2: lot are not the boom guys. It's actually the guys
Speaker 2: who run more shorter routes that boom more often than
Speaker 2: those guys. Just they're more consistent and they have higher ceilings.
Speaker 2: This is a lower end wide receiver. But I wonder
Speaker 2: will Alec Pierce's role change all that much without Michael
Speaker 2: Pittman there, and if it changes all that if it
Speaker 2: doesn't change all that much. Can you get Josh Downs
Speaker 2: for like two bucks? And Josh Downs is gonna catch
Speaker 2: seventy passes?
Speaker 5: I think that's.
Speaker 3: Possibly maybe not at the King's Classic, but yes, you
Speaker 3: can get him at your home leagues for a couple
Speaker 3: of bucks. Well, hey, man, this is great. I Like
Speaker 3: I said, we could talk for three hours about auctions.
Speaker 3: But I know my audience is going to love this.
Speaker 3: And it's been a lot of fun chatting with you, Joe.
Speaker 3: Anytime we get together and talk auctions. Yeah, you always
Speaker 3: make me feel good because we think a lot of
Speaker 3: the same things. So yeah, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2: I can just run my freaking mouth like crazy talking
Speaker 2: this stuff. But I mean, Drew, We're gonna have to
Speaker 2: have some auction talk on the Sunday Sunday afternoon show
Speaker 2: on Sirius XM. And I'll have you on the morning
Speaker 2: show when when you're all from.
Speaker 5: Your day job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, man, I can I can absolutely do that,
Speaker 3: and this has been a whole lot of fun. Just
Speaker 3: tell everybody where they can find you on socials and
Speaker 3: where they can find your work.
Speaker 2: At fg Underscore Dolan on Twitter. I post on Instagram,
Speaker 2: but not really a whole lot of fantasy stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: at Joe Dolan Fantasy There or Dolan Fantasy Points. I
Speaker 2: forget which one. That's how much I use Instagram. But
Speaker 2: you can also find all of my work on series
Speaker 2: on my audio work on Series XM Morning Show, which
Speaker 2: are going to seven to nine starting on July sixth,
Speaker 2: the Fantasy Points YouTube channel, the Fantasy Points Betting YouTube
Speaker 2: channel where I host the Best bet Show with Tom
Speaker 2: Brawley and the Motion Man. We've had John Hanson on there,
Speaker 2: and some of my written work, including on my auction
Speaker 2: draft plane, will be up at fantasypoints dot com.
Speaker 3: Well I'm looking forward to reading that auction plan and
Speaker 3: everybody else should be too. So thanks again to Joe
Speaker 3: Dolan from Fantasy Points. This has been a fun discussion
Speaker 3: and lightning giving us a lot of things to think
Speaker 3: about here just a couple weeks away from training camp.
Speaker 3: Thanks again to Fantasy Points for bringing me on as
Speaker 3: part of the team. And giving me a show. I
Speaker 3: hope to make you proud. So that's been another week
Speaker 3: of discussions with Drew. All Right, that's going to wrap up.
Speaker 3: Another week of discussions with Drew. As we strive to
Speaker 3: talk with the smartest people in the business every single week.
Speaker 3: Don't forget to tune in Thursday Morning Solo Time and
Speaker 3: the Auction Brief. Mike, thank you so much for joining
Speaker 3: us this week. I'll talk to you real soon. The
Speaker 3: Auction Brief is adjourned.
Speaker 4: The Auction Brief is adjourn that'll do it for this
Speaker 4: week's episode. See you next time on the Auction Brief.