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Speaker 1: Well, hello friends, my birthday weekend may have gotten a
little bit too festive. Let's just say Adval and Gatorade
have become my emotional support animals. So while I recover,
I'm digging out one of my favorite episodes from the archives.
Almost two years ago, September twentieth, twenty twenty three, I
sat down with the co owner and co founder of
the legendary House of Guitars, armand Shawbrook, and this interview
is an absolute blast, chaotic, fun, slightly unhinged, just like
the House of Guitars itself. We cover everything from Armine's
friendship with Andy Warhol, his time in Juvie and it
Wasn't for Library Fines, his upbringing, and of course, the
birth of Rochester's crown jewel of rock and roll retail chaos.
It's one of those conversations where you learn, laugh, and
maybe wonder if you've accidentally ingested something while listening. I
don't know, so while I recover from my birthday Shenanigans.
Please enjoy this trip back through the Bilified archives. It's
hands down one of the best.
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Speaker 1: Brown, It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello and welcome.
Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.
That's how we supported the pirate ship and spread the word.
Speaking of pirate ships, today, I am in the legendary
store that ate your brain, The Great House of Guitars
with Armin Shawbrook the Colner.
Speaker 2: How's it going by friends? Oh? Really?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny to me because you look
around here and it's like an organized chaos.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember coming in here and asking for albums and
people would just sift through and within seconds you'd have it.
You'd have it. And I was telling you before we started,
Like one of my first experiences when I came to Rochester,
I went to Saint John Fisher University was coming for
a midnight release for the Pearl jam Imports with my roommate.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, back in back then. But you have built something.
Do you think of yourself as iconic? No?
Speaker 3: I don't look at it that way, but I mean
at the store itself is world renowned.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, And uh.
Speaker 3: We were hoped, we were kind of planning that we
were gonna get pretty big in the beginning, you were,
but we started out very humble. We were pretty broke.
Speaker 2: In their early days.
Speaker 3: We had to sleep behind the amps because we couldn't
afford insurance, you know, and for the star and we'd
wake up in the morning when somebody was knocking at
the door.
Speaker 2: And then but now that where was that?
Speaker 1: Because you originally was in your mom's basement, right right, right?
But I feel like the whole idea has been to
sort of in a way, I don't want to say,
buck the system, but almost to be kind of that
rabble rouser, only in that the other guitar shops at
the time weren't allowing you to play right. You couldn't
touch the equipment, right, and you guys went, well, that
doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Right, And uh, they were kind of like jewelry stores, look,
but don't touch. And if you're young, you got to
come back with your parents are not going to give you.
Speaker 2: An attention at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they and then when you got there, they
took down a guitar. They didn't have a lot of them,
they had a few good ones, and then they put
it down on a little rug in the glass case.
Then you could just look at it and they'd talk price.
Speaker 1: You know, said, but you couldn't pick it up here,
what it sounded like, you feel like, what it felt
in your hand.
Speaker 3: Definitely couldn't. They didn't usually even let you touch it,
but definitely wouldn't plug you in, you know. Yeah, but
at the same time, in the cellar in my mother's
house there's young kids all over the cellar pounding through
big ams.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It was total opposite, and they didn't.
Speaker 2: Like they didn't like us coming in.
Speaker 3: So you couldn't trade in back then because they they
thought the US would make the new look bad. Yes,
but we didn't care. We were trading everything for anything.
We're totally changed. So what a music start was?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost anti establishment in a way.
Speaker 2: Would that be fair to say, you're.
Speaker 3: Probably right, but we weren't aiming for the assist that
we were, you know what, you were younger selves and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so from there it grows and eventually you came
to the location we're at. Yes, in what seventy one
seventy two.
Speaker 3: Around then, we it's like we had some trouble getting
the building, and uh, why was that.
Speaker 1: Because because of who you were and what you were doing.
That not who you were, but more like they didn't
want music in here or they.
Speaker 2: Kind of like stores that just.
Speaker 3: Worked with Arondicoit itself, you know, but they didn't like stars.
It would draw from all over. Yeah, and you know,
and they were even they were nervous and hippies and
hippies were just college kids most of them, you know.
Speaker 2: But you weren't a hippie. No, I wasn't a hippie.
I always think like you were more.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, but I always got kind of a
fifties vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in the fifties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that kind of rockabilly music you played, I've seen
you play. I saw you out here, Oh yeah at
Ice Square jump up and I was blown away. Oh
my god, I had no idea. Oh thanks, I didn't
know you played. But were there bands and things growing up?
Were you part of bands?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I had one of their early well recorded when I
was like fifteen years old on South Avenue when South
Avenue and Saint Paul kind of meets and it was
like six floors up at Vince Jan's studio, and I
remember I had to wait until Gene Cornish, one of
his local bands, was recording, and then afterward I went
up with my.
Speaker 2: Little soupro guitar.
Speaker 3: It's an electric guitar but inexpensive fun and I did
show down and.
Speaker 2: Roaming deer like de e a R. You know.
Speaker 3: I did my two songs and left with an acetate
you know.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then I had friends like voted up. Remember BBF
used to have that call in where you get.
Speaker 2: You could call in, so you had your friends, Yeah, yeah,
why not? I spread the word. I would even hey,
he marketed yourself.
Speaker 3: I'd call around and like I'd sing for one girl
over the phone, and then she give me another friend
and another friend.
Speaker 2: I'd be singing my song one on one. Wow.
Speaker 1: Once I like a politician. You gotta go door to door, yeah,
shake hands yeah. And then they all voted and liked it.
And then Nick Nixon called me, and then I went
up to BBF and then he says, it's.
Speaker 3: Good, but I can't play it. I don't have a
BMI or aspect. Oh, because I was only about fifteen
independent stuff anyway, I don't know, but he said, we
can't play it without one or the other. And I
and I just left wondering, Bill Will, what is it?
Speaker 2: BMI? What is the aspect?
Speaker 1: I don't right right because it's just the way that
they were making money.
Speaker 3: It was nineteen fifty eight, you know, I was around then.
So but then I I got Aronicquate when I first
had the radio station, and Ironicquate they played in a
home room and then I got a lot of attention
after all day, you know. Oh, so there was a
radio power radio station here and in the high school,
made high in the high school, so they played at
w r Q. Now it's amazing what a guitar and
a little talent can do when it comes to the
female persuasion.
Speaker 2: Well, rock and roll was brand new, and I don't
think any of.
Speaker 3: The DJs liked it at all, so really yeah, I
mean they liked what they were playing before, you know
how much as they had Doggie in the window, the
one with the waggly tail, Ye, songs like that, you know.
Speaker 1: So when I started in radio, was the original hits
of the forties, fifties and sixties.
Speaker 2: Oh well, in Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 1: So I started playing all that stuff, which was I
mean ancient music to me at the time, Yes, but.
Speaker 2: It was this stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're you're really in a groundbreaking time basically
in everything.
Speaker 3: They're like, if it's stinks, it might make it. Yeah,
they didn't like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was the idea, and you
kind of knew what the youth wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I was only, you know, about seventeen years old.
Speaker 2: So, and how old were you when you start?
Speaker 3: I was about I was younger than that, I was
sixteen fifteen then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you started the store, were you about twenty
twenty twenty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you had lived here? What were you doing
prior to that?
Speaker 3: I graduated from high school, but I got in trouble
as a kid, and then I was sent up to
Almira Reformatory for three years, but I did a year
and a half inside and then I was paroled back
to Rochester and I worked at Skips meat Market on
Front Street and Main Street Near's Bullhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Learned a lot from mister Lombardo. He's passed away now,
but he gave me a job from inside there. And
you need one to get out, and then I learned
a lot from him, and then I started the House
of Guitars at the same time in the basement of
my house. But that back then it wasn't It was
only open sporadically because I had to work.
Speaker 2: So you were just you.
Speaker 1: So you had to say at your house, where were
you getting the guitars from?
Speaker 2: Were you purchasing them from?
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't spend no money on myself at all.
Everything went back in the store, and uh, we would
just keep buying and buying use from band members that
were selling them.
Speaker 1: Oh and then so then you and then you would
So basically you were flipping guitars. Today they call it
with flipping cars and flipp You were buying, like I
used to coment and say, that's a great We were
buying new too, buying new too, right yeah when you
could right yeah. Yeah. And you're working at skips yeah.
And you're on parole yeah, which is a whole thing
because you got a parole officer and all that.
Speaker 2: Right. May I ask what got you up to the
reform school.
Speaker 3: Uh, burgery. I committed a burgery in wester Ron. They
catch you, They just never caught us. At the scene,
but we one of the guys with us. I wasn't
in on that one. But he hit a gas station
and broke in. Never no violence, it's always at night.
But he broke in and he stole the timing light
and some tires or something.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't down that one.
Speaker 3: And he, uh, he found out a kid owned it,
and we never stole from other kids. So I told him,
we'll just throw it on his lawn and you know,
take off. And he walked up to him and told him.
Speaker 1: Amen, I robbed your store, but here's your stuff back,
is what he said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that guy they cops picked him up. Well, anyways,
he was in it. I guess he was in a
little trouble too. And suddenly he showed up back at
the station with the timing light that was on the
hot list, and then they broke.
Speaker 2: Oh, so they broke him even though he owned the store.
Speaker 3: No, no, he didn't know that. He just worked at
a guest so he worked at it. So they go, hey,
this was on the hot list, what are you doing
with it? Thought it was stolen man, that's.
Speaker 2: And so they get it. That's It seems like a
lot of time for nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, you look like today
in the city, they wouldn't do it. Nothing else, no nothing,
that's a non violent craw Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He still helped me, even though you know he was
no longer Andy warholp percents because I put it out already,
But he still helped me and had I went on
the Joe Franklin Show on Channel nine and New York
p w P I X eleven news.
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew Channel eleven.
Speaker 3: I grew yeah, charged into my hotel room and it
was a little embarrassing because we had a lot of
empty beer battles.
Speaker 2: All over the place that's mine.
Speaker 3: And then that their public radio station played my Hole
triple album after they interviewed me with with nothing censored,
and there was full of a lot of f words
and everything to make it real, I can say old
darn in prison, you know, so I had to keep
it real. And they just made an announcement that if
if bad language disturbs you in any way, or sexual
situations or anything, please turn your radio off for the
next three hours.
Speaker 2: And funny minutes.
Speaker 3: Wow, have a warning, and then played it.
Speaker 2: They straight out what was it at night? Usually there
was something called.
Speaker 3: No daytime, daytime daytime.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They interviewed me for a long time for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what where where does that all go? Where
is that now the rock? I had no idea you
did that?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's out as a three album set.
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, here the house guitar is going to
buy it? Yeah, you can right. Wow.
Speaker 1: And then so through all that and Andy Warhol, did
you spend time with him after? Yeah, he kept helping me.
Speaker 2: Did he ever come up here?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, he almost did.
Speaker 3: He got jealous once I said a second cousin of mine,
Robert Kanjie's gonna h he might be able to shoot
some scenes in that. And he called the Paul Paul Morrissey,
he was kind of his partner that did the movies.
He goes, Paul, we're going to Rman.
Speaker 2: What is the name of the town.
Speaker 3: Ironically we're going to Ronically. All I'm thinking is, oh,
I'm going to bring in the mcgills, the Lachlan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the tour.
Speaker 3: We're gonna shoot some footage. Yeah, but he got shot
before that happened.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: For prison reform, I was saying that work with the
unions as much as you can, but you know, allow
the inmates to earn their own money. Part of it
could go to the victim of their time. That's a
great idea, you know. Uh, and maybe they can start
out silk screening T shirts and jobs like that from
the public. But you know, don't kill the union, work
with them, right, and then then maybe somebody like Kodiak
could bring in a shop there and pay them pretty
decently and they could support their own family instead of
government checks going there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know they I said, they're all going
to come out someday.
Speaker 2: What kind of condition do you want them? And right,
it's a great point.
Speaker 3: I want them to very well, what's supposed to be
a reversing that steps in this way?
Speaker 2: He is going to kill them?
Speaker 3: Well, it's supposed to be reformed, Right, We're supposed to be, well,
there's trying to be fun.
Speaker 2: No, there's not. That's its bull. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: And it's supposed to try to get you ready to
come back into society.
Speaker 3: And the inmates are trying to break you, and the
yards are trying to break you.
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a had So how old were
you when you went in? How old were you?
Speaker 1: Seventeen seventeen? That'd be one of the scariest things in
the world for you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I could say murderers and everything, but
a lot of most of them are normal people. They
just lost control for a few minutes, right, But they
they're not They're not like you think, no, right, but
everybody's in there.
Speaker 2: Wow wow, So I see.
Speaker 1: So it's it's that kind of thing where I almost
feel maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: It's about maybe eighty five percent New York City in there.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's a bigger part of the state, we have bigger population.
Speaker 2: But for you, I always, I mean, you seem to
have a lot.
Speaker 1: Of empathy for people, where you will try to help
them out, meet them halfway, do that sort of thing.
Another rumor I had heard was Metallica when they did
they Kill Them All album and they recorded it here
in Rochester. They came here, yeah, but they didn't have money.
Speaker 3: No, they they came from California. That's where you're from.
And uh, there's a studio in the city.
Speaker 2: Was it Dajelon at the time.
Speaker 3: No, I don't no. No music America. Okay, Music America
studio with Paul Curcio. He ran it and he used
to be in the Mojo Man in the sixties, but
he's passed away now. But they recorded there and they
gave him an old house for free to stay in.
So that's why they picked Rochester, I think.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: But they didn't have a laundry man, so they did
their laundry down the street each week and they'd hang
here whether laundry was washing, and they'd be looking at
guitars and I say, can I plug it in for
you man? And they go, no, man, I ain't got
no money. I don't want to waste your time. We go,
that's okay, you can plug in, you know. And then
they came back at a later time when they were
filling venues, but seventy grand on vintage guitars you know,
really they get new ones for free, but they want
all the vintage stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you get the vintage.
Speaker 3: From bands and people sew on them and trading them.
Speaker 1: Does anybody go now on eBay or anything and try
to hunt these things down?
Speaker 2: The public does? No?
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody here at the Hog does.
We watch it from one time if something is.
Speaker 3: Reasonable, but we got to get it at the price where.
Speaker 1: There's some there's some cool artifacts around here, like Jimmy
Hendricks pants, yes, right, yep, and then Elvis Elvis Presley's pans.
Speaker 3: But there were motorcycle there were motorcycle plant pants. Whenever
he rode his motorcycle around Graceland, he wore those pans
and they actually came from the Beatles, because when the
Beatles visited Elvis, they gave him the McCart he gave
him to McCartney, and then McCartney gave him to Denny Lane.
Uh for his birthday, okay, and then later Donny Lane
needed equipment, and uh he came here and uh he
traded in the pans and all kinds of stuff. Wall
so you did a swap, yeah, for keyboards and stuff.
Speaker 2: See Danny Laneyes, and what fans are Denny Moody Blue
and then Paul McCartney wings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's how he got the pants from Paul.
From Paul, Yeah, holy man, somebody needs to do the
six degrees of Armen like all the people you're connected
to throughout history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. So you did a swap. Well, we
gave him some money too. We bought more than that
from other things they did.
Speaker 1: To Oh wait, so you bought the pants from him
or you were six money?
Speaker 3: But he got a keyboard in the Okay, okay, okay,
he needed equipment really, but he got a little money
and some a bunch of equipment.
Speaker 1: Okay, but what were you going to do? You never
sold the pants? Oh we won't, you won't. We just
put it up there for the public to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then got Jimmy Hendrix's pants. Yeah, from a party,
right that he left them somewhere. He left them at
a Moody Blues party.
Speaker 2: Oh that was as well. Did that come in the
same transaction? Yes, this is so cool. That is so cool.
Speaker 1: So you would if somebody had something that was vintage, Yeah,
you would be willing to they get it. They wanted it,
can approved y authenticity, you got it. Yeah, the thing
I always wanted. And this is terrible. I shouldn't eve
admit this, but somebody somewhere has to do.
Speaker 3: A lot of Beetle autographs were in uh a book
that a writer wrote about the Beatles, Joff Guy Glani
or something like that. I can't think of his name exactly,
but he came in with Donny and he wrote a
lot of Beatle books. Okay, you know this is in
the seventies, and uh, we traded him some stuff, gave
him some money for the books, for autograph photos and stuff.
Speaker 2: And and and that's just stuff you'll keep. Oh.
Speaker 3: So the John Lennon military jacket was in his book
a picture of its book, and he's another one that's
not the one on the cover of Sergeant Pepper. But
John owned more than one, and that one he showed
in his book. John sent it to him to do.
He was also I think the Ronald McDonald clown in Canada.
Speaker 2: Who was this guy who wrote the book.
Speaker 3: But he do a lot of charity stuff, give him stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how do you put a value?
Speaker 1: Is there a value you can put on a Jimmy
Hendrick's pants or Elvis's pants.
Speaker 2: It would be crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I'm thinking that I'm thinking,
even when you bought it and exchange money and the guitar,
your values only what somebody's going to pay for it, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but you wanted that stuff, but.
Speaker 3: Well yeah we got a I mean we're giving a
pretty lot for it for those days. Yes, nothing, we
couldn't you could, We couldn't go near it to Yeah,
it wouldn't be practical, let's.
Speaker 1: Say still sort of I would say, like ironicoy, not
exactly on the beaten path to places.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, yeah, right, I mean, if I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to I like it. No, I'm not saying it's
a bad play. That's not my point. My point is
that all the artists that come here come out of
their way to see this place, and the reputation of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the reputation is you just had.
Speaker 1: Zz Top Leonard skinnerd in here so he could Copeland
stop by was buy the albums?
Speaker 2: Right? You said, over the weekend, and you've got It's
just it's got it? Does it? Ever? It's the store
that ate my brain? Did it ever?
Speaker 1: Kind of fry your brain a little bit that all this,
all this success or at least appreciation for what you created.
Speaker 3: You know, we're always proud, but when they're here, we're
like on duty, so we got to be professional. Can't
scare them off. Is there a staff meeting at all?
I'd love to be in a staff meeting.
Speaker 1: No, No staff meetings, no nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: No, that's the kind of business I like. I like
no staff meeting. No. What is the legacy you want
to have? What do you want people to think when
they think about I don't know, you don't know. I
don't really worry about that. Yeah, I don't think you do.
I do?
Speaker 1: You really are the guy that goes to his own
thing and have just built something. You know, when people
say you won't work a day in your life, if
you do what you love, do you feel like you've worked.
Speaker 2: A day in your life?
Speaker 3: I know what you mean, But at times you were,
you know, because you're you're on duty to day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stressing the ownership and then yeah that kind of thing. Deadlines.
Speaker 3: I got to get this ad in or copy won't
change next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember when you used to send the ads
to the radio station. You would handwrite them out. It
would be faxed over on the houses the way, and
we're trying to figure out what what's in the ass
and you had to like and you had to sometimes
they were like a sixty second ad, so you're crabbing
all the words there.
Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I started to use some three DJs.
Speaker 2: Oh you did they did? Oh yeah, yeah they did
because you couldn't. Yeah, and you have to speed it
up and go really fast.
Speaker 3: But that was effect of it was too and that
was short.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's amazing because it worked on radio and
the TV ads were I mean, we used to love
to see them. Yeah, yeah, and it was all authentically you.
And I would say, if I guess the success is
just being who you are.
Speaker 3: And my tags like when the events are coming, I
got little tags pushing this and yeah but free like
we got that one guy coming for from the firm
and yes, the Graham and there, so you know, I'll
tag that and they'll have to do that like real
fastg Yeah, they'll they'll do it anyway.
Speaker 2: They can do it anyway they can get it in there. Yeah,
I don't complain.
Speaker 3: I realized the spot there it Yeah, you know, but
then they might rewrite it and omit a lot of
sentences that I you know, maybe I'm repeating a little bit.
We don't need that sentence gone. Yeah, whatever they can do.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Your mom when you moved out of the basement the store, Yeah,
did she see it get to sort of the way.
Speaker 2: It is today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw the front building here. We had the
front building at the time, so she knew you were
around our way. You know, at first, she uh wasn't
crazy about it. At their house, you know, short from
work and you're exhaustly banging away, you know, neighbors a
Colin police.
Speaker 1: What is it like at your house in your own
personal home, do you have the same kind of thing?
Speaker 2: Pretty quiet? Yeah? When your kids were growing up, did
they have people in and banging on? Oh? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
You seem to just be like that's all right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm very honest with my kids, like I don't I didn't.
I didn't want them stupid, so I didn't didn't deny
anything anything.
Speaker 2: But I exposure is the greatest.
Speaker 3: I would explain the goods and beads of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying with everything, Yeah, I
try to stay their friend a little bit.
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, not always easy to until you're too old
and they won't fun, I be saying with you. Yeah,
but they work here, so that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Well this has been a pleasure for me.
Thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my frien.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thank you. You made me forget
I was on the air.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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one on one. Thanks Mac of all Trades.
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