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Speaker 1: You know what, my buddies at Victor Chrysler, Dodge, Cheap

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Ram On Rude ninety six and Victor have been cooking

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up oh just the biggest summer sales events since someone

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put pineapple on pizza and called it brilliant. Right now,

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you can slide nay launch behind the wheel of one

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of the coolest rides you'll ever drive, the brand new

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twenty twenty five Dodge Charger Daytona RTI lease it for

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just one ninety eight per month for twenty four months,

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with zero down, no taxes, no fees. Oh yeah, one

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ninety eight, not plus this or plus that, just one

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ninety eight a month. I've been driving one and let

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me tell you, this thing turns heads faster than the

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guy the beach realizing his sunscreen was not waterproof.

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Speaker 2: It's quick, it's mean.

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Speaker 1: And when you hit the power boost button, it's like

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caffeine for your soul.

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Speaker 2: This deal is outrageous.

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Speaker 1: One ninety a month, twenty four months, zero down, no taxes,

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no fees.

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Speaker 2: Don't overthink it.

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Speaker 1: Just get to Victor c Dodge jep Ram Rotten ninety

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six in Victor Or Hop online at victorcdjr dot com

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and see all the wild choys they've got. Make this

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the summer sales event. Victor Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram Root

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ninety six in Victor, OH. I see you have random, rusty,

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ridiculous scrap metal all throughout your garage. I know that

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scene holding on to that extra siding from two thousand

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and eight. Come on, pack up that garage mess and

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roll it down to Premiere Metal, Rochester's number one choice

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for scrap. We're talking metal from auto jobs, plumbing, HVAC, roofing, siding.

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If it's shiny, bendy and mysteriously dented, they want it

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at Premiere Metal. You know that metal shelf that attacked

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you in nineteen ninety eight, Get.

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Speaker 2: Rid of it at Premiere Metal.

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Speaker 1: They offer the breast I mean, best prices. This is

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a scrap metal commercial, not a spelling big aluminum siding,

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electric motors, car wheels, copper wires, steel sheet metal, three

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hundred series, stainless steel, auto batteries, lead, and even your

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ex's dumb wait bitch, make cash clear space. Visit Premier

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Metalgroup dot com or either of Premier Medal's state.

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Speaker 2: Of the art facilities.

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Speaker 1: West Linden Avenue in East, Rochester just minutes off four

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ninety or eleven carn Street in Rochester just minutes off

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three ninety Premiere Medal. Be a metal magician and turn

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that medal into cash.

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Speaker 2: With Premier Medal.

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Speaker 1: Well, hello friends, my birthday weekend may have gotten a

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little bit too festive. Let's just say Adval and Gatorade

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have become my emotional support animals. So while I recover,

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I'm digging out one of my favorite episodes from the archives.

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Almost two years ago, September twentieth, twenty twenty three, I

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sat down with the co owner and co founder of

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the legendary House of Guitars, armand Shawbrook, and this interview

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is an absolute blast, chaotic, fun, slightly unhinged, just like

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the House of Guitars itself. We cover everything from Armine's

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friendship with Andy Warhol, his time in Juvie and it

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Wasn't for Library Fines, his upbringing, and of course, the

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birth of Rochester's crown jewel of rock and roll retail chaos.

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It's one of those conversations where you learn, laugh, and

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maybe wonder if you've accidentally ingested something while listening. I

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don't know, so while I recover from my birthday Shenanigans.

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Please enjoy this trip back through the Bilified archives. It's

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hands down one of the best.

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Speaker 2: On location and driven by Victor Chrystler Dots G.

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Speaker 1: Brown, It's Bilified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello and welcome.

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Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.

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That's how we supported the pirate ship and spread the word.

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Speaking of pirate ships, today, I am in the legendary

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store that ate your brain, The Great House of Guitars

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with Armin Shawbrook the Colner.

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Speaker 2: How's it going by friends? Oh? Really?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny to me because you look

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around here and it's like an organized chaos.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know.

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Speaker 1: I remember coming in here and asking for albums and

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people would just sift through and within seconds you'd have it.

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You'd have it. And I was telling you before we started,

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Like one of my first experiences when I came to Rochester,

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I went to Saint John Fisher University was coming for

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a midnight release for the Pearl jam Imports with my roommate.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, back in back then. But you have built something.

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Do you think of yourself as iconic? No?

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Speaker 3: I don't look at it that way, but I mean

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at the store itself is world renowned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, And uh.

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Speaker 3: We were hoped, we were kind of planning that we

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were gonna get pretty big in the beginning, you were,

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but we started out very humble. We were pretty broke.

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Speaker 2: In their early days.

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Speaker 3: We had to sleep behind the amps because we couldn't

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afford insurance, you know, and for the star and we'd

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wake up in the morning when somebody was knocking at

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the door.

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Speaker 2: And then but now that where was that?

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Speaker 1: Because you originally was in your mom's basement, right right, right?

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But I feel like the whole idea has been to

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sort of in a way, I don't want to say,

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buck the system, but almost to be kind of that

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rabble rouser, only in that the other guitar shops at

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the time weren't allowing you to play right. You couldn't

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touch the equipment, right, and you guys went, well, that

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doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Right, And uh, they were kind of like jewelry stores, look,

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but don't touch. And if you're young, you got to

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come back with your parents are not going to give you.

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Speaker 2: An attention at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they and then when you got there, they

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took down a guitar. They didn't have a lot of them,

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they had a few good ones, and then they put

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it down on a little rug in the glass case.

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Then you could just look at it and they'd talk price.

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Speaker 1: You know, said, but you couldn't pick it up here,

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what it sounded like, you feel like, what it felt

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in your hand.

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Speaker 3: Definitely couldn't. They didn't usually even let you touch it,

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but definitely wouldn't plug you in, you know. Yeah, but

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at the same time, in the cellar in my mother's

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house there's young kids all over the cellar pounding through

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big ams.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was total opposite, and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Like they didn't like us coming in.

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Speaker 3: So you couldn't trade in back then because they they

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thought the US would make the new look bad. Yes,

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but we didn't care. We were trading everything for anything.

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We're totally changed. So what a music start was?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, almost anti establishment in a way.

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Speaker 2: Would that be fair to say, you're.

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Speaker 3: Probably right, but we weren't aiming for the assist that

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we were, you know what, you were younger selves and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so from there it grows and eventually you came

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to the location we're at. Yes, in what seventy one

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seventy two.

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Speaker 3: Around then, we it's like we had some trouble getting

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the building, and uh, why was that.

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Speaker 1: Because because of who you were and what you were doing.

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That not who you were, but more like they didn't

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want music in here or they.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like stores that just.

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Speaker 3: Worked with Arondicoit itself, you know, but they didn't like stars.

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and they were even they were nervous and hippies and

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hippies were just college kids most of them, you know.

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Speaker 2: But you weren't a hippie. No, I wasn't a hippie.

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I always think like you were more.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, but I always got kind of a

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fifties vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in the fifties. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that kind of rockabilly music you played, I've seen

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you play. I saw you out here, Oh yeah at

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Ice Square jump up and I was blown away. Oh

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my god, I had no idea. Oh thanks, I didn't

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know you played. But were there bands and things growing up?

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Were you part of bands?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I had one of their early well recorded when I

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was like fifteen years old on South Avenue when South

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Avenue and Saint Paul kind of meets and it was

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like six floors up at Vince Jan's studio, and I

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remember I had to wait until Gene Cornish, one of

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his local bands, was recording, and then afterward I went

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up with my.

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Speaker 2: Little soupro guitar.

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Speaker 3: It's an electric guitar but inexpensive fun and I did

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show down and.

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Speaker 2: Roaming deer like de e a R. You know.

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Speaker 3: I did my two songs and left with an acetate

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And then I had friends like voted up. Remember BBF

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used to have that call in where you get.

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Speaker 2: You could call in, so you had your friends, Yeah, yeah,

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why not? I spread the word. I would even hey,

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he marketed yourself.

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Speaker 3: I'd call around and like I'd sing for one girl

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over the phone, and then she give me another friend

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and another friend.

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Speaker 2: I'd be singing my song one on one. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Once I like a politician. You gotta go door to door, yeah,

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shake hands yeah. And then they all voted and liked it.

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And then Nick Nixon called me, and then I went

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up to BBF and then he says, it's.

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Speaker 3: Good, but I can't play it. I don't have a

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BMI or aspect. Oh, because I was only about fifteen

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independent stuff anyway, I don't know, but he said, we

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can't play it without one or the other. And I

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and I just left wondering, Bill Will, what is it?

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Speaker 2: BMI? What is the aspect?

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Speaker 1: I don't right right because it's just the way that

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they were making money.

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Speaker 3: It was nineteen fifty eight, you know, I was around then.

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So but then I I got Aronicquate when I first

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had the radio station, and Ironicquate they played in a

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home room and then I got a lot of attention

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after all day, you know. Oh, so there was a

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radio power radio station here and in the high school,

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made high in the high school, so they played at

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w r Q. Now it's amazing what a guitar and

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a little talent can do when it comes to the

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female persuasion.

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Speaker 2: Well, rock and roll was brand new, and I don't

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think any of.

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Speaker 3: The DJs liked it at all, so really yeah, I

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mean they liked what they were playing before, you know

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how much as they had Doggie in the window, the

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one with the waggly tail, Ye, songs like that, you know.

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Speaker 1: So when I started in radio, was the original hits

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of the forties, fifties and sixties.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, in Poughkeepsie.

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Speaker 1: So I started playing all that stuff, which was I

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mean ancient music to me at the time, Yes, but.

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Speaker 2: It was this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you're you're really in a groundbreaking time basically

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in everything.

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Speaker 3: They're like, if it's stinks, it might make it. Yeah,

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they didn't like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was the idea, and you

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kind of knew what the youth wanted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I was only, you know, about seventeen years old.

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Speaker 2: So, and how old were you when you start?

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Speaker 3: I was about I was younger than that, I was

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sixteen fifteen then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you started the store, were you about twenty

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twenty twenty?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you had lived here? What were you doing

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prior to that?

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Speaker 3: I graduated from high school, but I got in trouble

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as a kid, and then I was sent up to

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Almira Reformatory for three years, but I did a year

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and a half inside and then I was paroled back

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to Rochester and I worked at Skips meat Market on

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Front Street and Main Street Near's Bullhead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and I.

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Speaker 3: Learned a lot from mister Lombardo. He's passed away now,

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but he gave me a job from inside there. And

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you need one to get out, and then I learned

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a lot from him, and then I started the House

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of Guitars at the same time in the basement of

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my house. But that back then it wasn't It was

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only open sporadically because I had to work.

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Speaker 2: So you were just you.

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Speaker 1: So you had to say at your house, where were

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you getting the guitars from?

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Speaker 2: Were you purchasing them from?

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Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't spend no money on myself at all.

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Everything went back in the store, and uh, we would

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just keep buying and buying use from band members that

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were selling them.

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So basically you were flipping guitars. Today they call it

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with flipping cars and flipp You were buying, like I

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used to coment and say, that's a great We were

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buying new too, buying new too, right yeah when you

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could right yeah. Yeah. And you're working at skips yeah.

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And you're on parole yeah, which is a whole thing

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because you got a parole officer and all that.

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Speaker 2: Right. May I ask what got you up to the

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reform school.

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Speaker 3: Uh, burgery. I committed a burgery in wester Ron. They

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catch you, They just never caught us. At the scene,

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but we one of the guys with us. I wasn't

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in on that one. But he hit a gas station

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and broke in. Never no violence, it's always at night.

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But he broke in and he stole the timing light

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and some tires or something.

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Speaker 2: But I wasn't down that one.

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Speaker 3: And he, uh, he found out a kid owned it,

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and we never stole from other kids. So I told him,

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we'll just throw it on his lawn and you know,

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take off. And he walked up to him and told him.

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Speaker 1: Amen, I robbed your store, but here's your stuff back,

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is what he said.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that guy they cops picked him up. Well, anyways,

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he was in it. I guess he was in a

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little trouble too. And suddenly he showed up back at

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the station with the timing light that was on the

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hot list, and then they broke.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so they broke him even though he owned the store.

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Speaker 3: No, no, he didn't know that. He just worked at

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a guest so he worked at it. So they go, hey,

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this was on the hot list, what are you doing

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with it? Thought it was stolen man, that's.

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Speaker 2: And so they get it. That's It seems like a

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lot of time for nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, you look like today

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in the city, they wouldn't do it. Nothing else, no nothing,

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that's a non violent craw Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Cobblestone on Maine in the village of Webster, one on

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nine West Main Street.

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Speaker 2: Oh. I love going in there.

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Speaker 1: Upscale bar, fun to hang at, craft cocktails, craft.

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Speaker 2: Brewise, and just a great atmosphere. The food is delicious.

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Speaker 1: Let's say you just want something like an appetizer. They're

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nachos are second to none. They don't get soggy. It

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these are the best nachos ever. They really are. But

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in the back, and the entrees are fantastic. Here's one

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of the great things about Cobblestone on Maine. It's locally

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sourced menu items. You know, I love when local is

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supporting local, and that's what happens over at Cobblestone on

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Speaker 2: Trust me your future self. Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: He still helped me, even though you know he was

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no longer Andy warholp percents because I put it out already,

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But he still helped me and had I went on

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the Joe Franklin Show on Channel nine and New York

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p w P I X eleven news.

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Speaker 2: I knew, I knew Channel eleven.

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Speaker 3: I grew yeah, charged into my hotel room and it

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was a little embarrassing because we had a lot of

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empty beer battles.

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Speaker 2: All over the place that's mine.

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Speaker 3: And then that their public radio station played my Hole

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triple album after they interviewed me with with nothing censored,

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and there was full of a lot of f words

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and everything to make it real, I can say old

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darn in prison, you know, so I had to keep

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it real. And they just made an announcement that if

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if bad language disturbs you in any way, or sexual

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situations or anything, please turn your radio off for the

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next three hours.

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Speaker 2: And funny minutes.

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Speaker 3: Wow, have a warning, and then played it.

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Speaker 2: They straight out what was it at night? Usually there

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was something called.

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Speaker 3: No daytime, daytime daytime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They interviewed me for a long time for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what where where does that all go? Where

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is that now the rock? I had no idea you

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did that?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's out as a three album set.

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Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, here the house guitar is going to

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buy it? Yeah, you can right. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And then so through all that and Andy Warhol, did

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you spend time with him after? Yeah, he kept helping me.

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Speaker 2: Did he ever come up here?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: No, he almost did.

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Speaker 3: He got jealous once I said a second cousin of mine,

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Robert Kanjie's gonna h he might be able to shoot

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some scenes in that. And he called the Paul Paul Morrissey,

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he was kind of his partner that did the movies.

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He goes, Paul, we're going to Rman.

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Speaker 2: What is the name of the town.

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Speaker 3: Ironically we're going to Ronically. All I'm thinking is, oh,

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I'm going to bring in the mcgills, the Lachlan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the tour.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna shoot some footage. Yeah, but he got shot

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before that happened.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: For prison reform, I was saying that work with the

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unions as much as you can, but you know, allow

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the inmates to earn their own money. Part of it

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could go to the victim of their time. That's a

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great idea, you know. Uh, and maybe they can start

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out silk screening T shirts and jobs like that from

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the public. But you know, don't kill the union, work

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with them, right, and then then maybe somebody like Kodiak

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could bring in a shop there and pay them pretty

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decently and they could support their own family instead of

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government checks going there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know they I said, they're all going

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to come out someday.

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Speaker 2: What kind of condition do you want them? And right,

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it's a great point.

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Speaker 3: I want them to very well, what's supposed to be

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a reversing that steps in this way?

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Speaker 2: He is going to kill them?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's supposed to be reformed, Right, We're supposed to be, well,

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there's trying to be fun.

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Speaker 2: No, there's not. That's its bull. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: And it's supposed to try to get you ready to

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come back into society.

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Speaker 3: And the inmates are trying to break you, and the

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yards are trying to break you.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a had So how old were

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you when you went in? How old were you?

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Speaker 1: Seventeen seventeen? That'd be one of the scariest things in

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the world for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is scary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I could say murderers and everything, but

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a lot of most of them are normal people. They

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just lost control for a few minutes, right, But they

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they're not They're not like you think, no, right, but

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everybody's in there.

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Speaker 2: Wow wow, So I see.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's that kind of thing where I almost

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feel maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's about maybe eighty five percent New York City in there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's a bigger part of the state, we have bigger population.

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Speaker 2: But for you, I always, I mean, you seem to

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have a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of empathy for people, where you will try to help

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them out, meet them halfway, do that sort of thing.

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Another rumor I had heard was Metallica when they did

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they Kill Them All album and they recorded it here

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in Rochester. They came here, yeah, but they didn't have money.

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Speaker 3: No, they they came from California. That's where you're from.

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And uh, there's a studio in the city.

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Speaker 2: Was it Dajelon at the time.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't no. No music America. Okay, Music America

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studio with Paul Curcio. He ran it and he used

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to be in the Mojo Man in the sixties, but

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he's passed away now. But they recorded there and they

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gave him an old house for free to stay in.

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So that's why they picked Rochester, I think.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: But they didn't have a laundry man, so they did

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their laundry down the street each week and they'd hang

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here whether laundry was washing, and they'd be looking at

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guitars and I say, can I plug it in for

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you man? And they go, no, man, I ain't got

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no money. I don't want to waste your time. We go,

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that's okay, you can plug in, you know. And then

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they came back at a later time when they were

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filling venues, but seventy grand on vintage guitars you know,

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really they get new ones for free, but they want

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all the vintage stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you get the vintage.

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Speaker 3: From bands and people sew on them and trading them.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody go now on eBay or anything and try

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to hunt these things down?

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Speaker 2: The public does? No?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody here at the Hog does.

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We watch it from one time if something is.

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Speaker 3: Reasonable, but we got to get it at the price where.

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Speaker 1: There's some there's some cool artifacts around here, like Jimmy

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Hendricks pants, yes, right, yep, and then Elvis Elvis Presley's pans.

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Speaker 3: But there were motorcycle there were motorcycle plant pants. Whenever

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he rode his motorcycle around Graceland, he wore those pans

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and they actually came from the Beatles, because when the

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Beatles visited Elvis, they gave him the McCart he gave

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him to McCartney, and then McCartney gave him to Denny Lane.

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Uh for his birthday, okay, and then later Donny Lane

474
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needed equipment, and uh he came here and uh he

475
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traded in the pans and all kinds of stuff. Wall

476
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so you did a swap, yeah, for keyboards and stuff.

477
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Speaker 2: See Danny Laneyes, and what fans are Denny Moody Blue

478
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and then Paul McCartney wings.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's how he got the pants from Paul.

480
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,759
From Paul, Yeah, holy man, somebody needs to do the

481
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:13,119
six degrees of Armen like all the people you're connected

482
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to throughout history.

483
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. So you did a swap. Well, we

484
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gave him some money too. We bought more than that

485
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from other things they did.

486
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Speaker 1: To Oh wait, so you bought the pants from him

487
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,079
or you were six money?

488
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Speaker 3: But he got a keyboard in the Okay, okay, okay,

489
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,519
he needed equipment really, but he got a little money

490
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and some a bunch of equipment.

491
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Speaker 1: Okay, but what were you going to do? You never

492
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:42,200
sold the pants? Oh we won't, you won't. We just

493
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put it up there for the public to see.

494
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating. Yeah.

495
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,319
Speaker 3: And then got Jimmy Hendrix's pants. Yeah, from a party,

496
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right that he left them somewhere. He left them at

497
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a Moody Blues party.

498
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Speaker 2: Oh that was as well. Did that come in the

499
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:00,279
same transaction? Yes, this is so cool. That is so cool.

500
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: So you would if somebody had something that was vintage, Yeah,

501
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:06,680
you would be willing to they get it. They wanted it,

502
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,880
can approved y authenticity, you got it. Yeah, the thing

503
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,839
I always wanted. And this is terrible. I shouldn't eve

504
00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,680
admit this, but somebody somewhere has to do.

505
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,039
Speaker 3: A lot of Beetle autographs were in uh a book

506
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:27,400
that a writer wrote about the Beatles, Joff Guy Glani

507
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,880
or something like that. I can't think of his name exactly,

508
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,680
but he came in with Donny and he wrote a

509
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,079
lot of Beatle books. Okay, you know this is in

510
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,200
the seventies, and uh, we traded him some stuff, gave

511
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:48,000
him some money for the books, for autograph photos and stuff.

512
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: And and and that's just stuff you'll keep. Oh.

513
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: So the John Lennon military jacket was in his book

514
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,559
a picture of its book, and he's another one that's

515
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,559
not the one on the cover of Sergeant Pepper. But

516
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,039
John owned more than one, and that one he showed

517
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,400
in his book. John sent it to him to do.

518
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:12,880
He was also I think the Ronald McDonald clown in Canada.

519
00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: Who was this guy who wrote the book.

520
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: But he do a lot of charity stuff, give him stuff.

521
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how do you put a value?

522
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: Is there a value you can put on a Jimmy

523
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,599
Hendrick's pants or Elvis's pants.

524
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,039
Speaker 2: It would be crazy.

525
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's what I'm thinking that I'm thinking,

526
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,279
even when you bought it and exchange money and the guitar,

527
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,319
your values only what somebody's going to pay for it, right.

528
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but you wanted that stuff, but.

529
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: Well yeah we got a I mean we're giving a

530
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,400
pretty lot for it for those days. Yes, nothing, we

531
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,799
couldn't you could, We couldn't go near it to Yeah,

532
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:51,559
it wouldn't be practical, let's.

533
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 1: Say still sort of I would say, like ironicoy, not

534
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240
exactly on the beaten path to places.

535
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: Right. Well, yeah, right, I mean, if I'm.

536
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: Going to I like it. No, I'm not saying it's

537
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,200
a bad play. That's not my point. My point is

538
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,200
that all the artists that come here come out of

539
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,839
their way to see this place, and the reputation of them.

540
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the reputation is you just had.

541
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,839
Speaker 1: Zz Top Leonard skinnerd in here so he could Copeland

542
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:17,440
stop by was buy the albums?

543
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,519
Speaker 2: Right? You said, over the weekend, and you've got It's

544
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,839
just it's got it? Does it? Ever? It's the store

545
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,160
that ate my brain? Did it ever?

546
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,839
Speaker 1: Kind of fry your brain a little bit that all this,

547
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,039
all this success or at least appreciation for what you created.

548
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,519
Speaker 3: You know, we're always proud, but when they're here, we're

549
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,440
like on duty, so we got to be professional. Can't

550
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,720
scare them off. Is there a staff meeting at all?

551
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:42,960
I'd love to be in a staff meeting.

552
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,039
Speaker 1: No, No staff meetings, no nothing, nothing.

553
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,559
Speaker 2: No, that's the kind of business I like. I like

554
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:51,400
no staff meeting. No. What is the legacy you want

555
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,519
to have? What do you want people to think when

556
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,519
they think about I don't know, you don't know. I

557
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,599
don't really worry about that. Yeah, I don't think you do.

558
00:26:58,839 --> 00:26:59,680
I do?

559
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:01,799
Speaker 1: You really are the guy that goes to his own

560
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,200
thing and have just built something. You know, when people

561
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,440
say you won't work a day in your life, if

562
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,880
you do what you love, do you feel like you've worked.

563
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: A day in your life?

564
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 3: I know what you mean, But at times you were,

565
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,799
you know, because you're you're on duty to day.

566
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, stressing the ownership and then yeah that kind of thing. Deadlines.

567
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: I got to get this ad in or copy won't

568
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:25,880
change next week.

569
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

570
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: Well, I remember when you used to send the ads

571
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,799
to the radio station. You would handwrite them out. It

572
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,000
would be faxed over on the houses the way, and

573
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:41,039
we're trying to figure out what what's in the ass

574
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,799
and you had to like and you had to sometimes

575
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,200
they were like a sixty second ad, so you're crabbing

576
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,039
all the words there.

577
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: It was fantastic.

578
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,319
Speaker 3: I started to use some three DJs.

579
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: Oh you did they did? Oh yeah, yeah they did

580
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,880
because you couldn't. Yeah, and you have to speed it

581
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,920
up and go really fast.

582
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 3: But that was effect of it was too and that

583
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:01,640
was short.

584
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:04,799
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's amazing because it worked on radio and

585
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,519
the TV ads were I mean, we used to love

586
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,240
to see them. Yeah, yeah, and it was all authentically you.

587
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,359
And I would say, if I guess the success is

588
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,680
just being who you are.

589
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,759
Speaker 3: And my tags like when the events are coming, I

590
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,960
got little tags pushing this and yeah but free like

591
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,960
we got that one guy coming for from the firm

592
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,880
and yes, the Graham and there, so you know, I'll

593
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,799
tag that and they'll have to do that like real

594
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,160
fastg Yeah, they'll they'll do it anyway.

595
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,319
Speaker 2: They can do it anyway they can get it in there. Yeah,

596
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,079
I don't complain.

597
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,759
Speaker 3: I realized the spot there it Yeah, you know, but

598
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:43,319
then they might rewrite it and omit a lot of

599
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
sentences that I you know, maybe I'm repeating a little bit.

600
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,839
We don't need that sentence gone. Yeah, whatever they can do.

601
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,480
I appreciate it.

602
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: Your mom when you moved out of the basement the store, Yeah,

603
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,279
did she see it get to sort of the way.

604
00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:59,759
Speaker 2: It is today.

605
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saw the front building here. We had the

606
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,039
front building at the time, so she knew you were

607
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:11,279
around our way. You know, at first, she uh wasn't

608
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,160
crazy about it. At their house, you know, short from

609
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,240
work and you're exhaustly banging away, you know, neighbors a

610
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:20,000
Colin police.

611
00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: What is it like at your house in your own

612
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,880
personal home, do you have the same kind of thing?

613
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: Pretty quiet? Yeah? When your kids were growing up, did

614
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,000
they have people in and banging on? Oh? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

615
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,480
You seem to just be like that's all right. Yeah.

616
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm very honest with my kids, like I don't I didn't.

617
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,519
I didn't want them stupid, so I didn't didn't deny

618
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:45,519
anything anything.

619
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: But I exposure is the greatest.

620
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: I would explain the goods and beads of it.

621
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:54,079
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying with everything, Yeah, I

622
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,039
try to stay their friend a little bit.

623
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,279
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, not always easy to until you're too old

624
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,240
and they won't fun, I be saying with you. Yeah,

625
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,000
but they work here, so that's pretty cool.

626
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Well this has been a pleasure for me.

627
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:08,799
Thank you for taking the time.

628
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,559
Speaker 2: Thank you, my frien.

629
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: It's been really really great. Harmon Shauberg, the great House

630
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,720
of guitars. It is uh internationally known right here in Irondequoi.

631
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,119
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thank you. You made me forget

632
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,839
I was on the air.

633
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

634
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: Well, it's just like having a conversation. That's what I like,

635
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,559
one on one. Thanks Mac of all Trades.

636
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:31,039
Speaker 2: Mac has a gift, and that gift to you is

637
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,640
your time. What do I mean? You got a list?

638
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: Come on, you've been adding to the list, not knocking

639
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,119
things off the list. Why not hand the list over

640
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,400
to Mac of all Trades. Whether it's painting a room,

641
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,839
fixing drywall, electrical carpentry. Maybe you got a big job

642
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,599
like you're like, Man, I cannot stand this powder room anymore.

643
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,079
We need a full bathroom remodel. I want one of

644
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,680
those great toilets put in here. Mac can do all

645
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,200
of that in his sleep. Man, Mac of all trades,

646
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:04,599
from handyman stuff to full carpentry work, electrical work, full

647
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,799
kitchen and bathroom model. I mean, whatever it is, they

648
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,440
can do it. But the point is they give you your

649
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,240
time back. You know, I always figure this. We all

650
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160
only got someone's time on the planet. We don't know

651
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,599
when it ends. Do we want to waste it doing

652
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:20,839
things we don't really want to do, like painting the

653
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,880
room or putting up some trim No Mac of All

654
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Trades five eight five two zero two ninety two eighteen

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