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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Gresham. Here, you
Speaker 3: are our number here. It's pretty easy to remember, Tom
Speaker 3: Talk gun easy as that. If you've been doing a
Speaker 3: little shooting, you're taking a new gun out, maybe an
Speaker 3: old gun. We want to hear about it, share your stories,
Speaker 3: because yeah, that's all we're doing is sitting around the
Speaker 3: digital campfire here and swapping tails. You know, everybody needs
Speaker 3: ambo because you got to feed these beasts, right. It's
Speaker 3: okay to buy new guns, but you also got to
Speaker 3: feed up. I tell people you know on the machine guns,
Speaker 3: like owing a great day, and you got to feed
Speaker 3: it all the time. We should also be a little lucky,
Speaker 3: so we're trying right now. Dan Walden, he's the CEO
Speaker 3: of ammunition depot.
Speaker 4: Man, you like that? Think about the machine gun? Huh
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 5: I do, Tom, Thanks for having me. And you know,
Speaker 5: I say the same thing. Your guns are hungry. You
Speaker 5: got to feed them. They get sad in the safe, sitting.
Speaker 6: There all alone.
Speaker 4: You here.
Speaker 6: You don't want to do it out here. You got
Speaker 6: to get them out. Yeah, you gotta get him out.
Speaker 6: You got to feed them, you gotta exercise them.
Speaker 4: There It is all right. So what's the story? What
Speaker 4: is the ammunition depot? Where does this come from? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Sure, so ammunition depot.
Speaker 5: We've been in the market for fifteen years and we
Speaker 5: really just saw the need for the easy ability, good quality,
Speaker 5: good selection, but most importantly, great customer service.
Speaker 6: So there were certainly many people out.
Speaker 5: There that were already selling ammunition onlines, the big names
Speaker 5: that everybody knows, But where we saw a need in
Speaker 5: the market was on customer service that just won't quit.
Speaker 5: And so when I talk about this, one of the
Speaker 5: things that I say all the time is no reasonable
Speaker 5: person will leave an interaction with ammunition deeople and happy.
Speaker 5: And the reason for that is not because we're perfect.
Speaker 5: Nobody's perfect. When we mess up, we own it and
Speaker 5: we fix it. It's really not a hard thing to do.
Speaker 5: It's just expensive and we've decided that it's worth doing.
Speaker 3: But you also have to be willing. You have to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is going to be our core value. This is
Speaker 3: what we're going to do, is we're going to try
Speaker 3: to make sure that everybody is satisfied and do whatever
Speaker 3: it takes to get there. Tell me about the company
Speaker 3: and ammunition, Deepert, what do you guys have?
Speaker 4: What do you do? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure, so we're one of the larger online suppliers of ammunition,
Speaker 5: firearms and shooting accessories. So, as the name would indicate,
Speaker 5: ammunition is a very large part of the business, but
Speaker 5: we do other things also, firearms and shooting accessories, magazines,
Speaker 5: reloading equipment, gear, you know, all of these kinds of things.
Speaker 6: But our red and Butter is ammunition.
Speaker 4: We've got a.
Speaker 5: Great selection and near the best pricing in the market
Speaker 5: across everything that we do. We don't try to be
Speaker 5: absolutely the best best price in the market on every
Speaker 5: product because if you do, you can't provide the appropriate
Speaker 5: level of customer service. So our internal reviews show that
Speaker 5: we're among the fifteen percent best on everything that we sell.
Speaker 6: In the market, and that's really where we strive to be.
Speaker 5: We want to be there for our customers forever, not
Speaker 5: just when things go crazy, and not just when things
Speaker 5: aren't crazy.
Speaker 6: Like now and we're in a more normal, you know market.
Speaker 4: Price.
Speaker 3: You know, I look at price. Everybody looks at prices online.
Speaker 3: Very nine millimeters is twenty three cents or twenty four
Speaker 3: cents or whatever it is, you know, and with people
Speaker 3: will strain to try to say one or two cents around.
Speaker 5: It's exactly right, and you can bend over backwards and
Speaker 5: go to whoever.
Speaker 6: Maybe happens to be cheapest that week, and you know,
Speaker 6: risk that if something goes wrong, they're not going.
Speaker 5: To be there, and that they're not going to have
Speaker 5: what you need and they're not going to be able
Speaker 5: to stay behind their product. But the other thing that
Speaker 5: we do, and it's a good point that people kind
Speaker 5: of driving ten miles to save a penny on a
Speaker 5: tank a guess we all know that the prices are
Speaker 5: going to move in this market.
Speaker 6: When people panic and there's panic buying out there, the
Speaker 6: prices go up. And we actually hate those environments.
Speaker 5: Our customers are not happy paying those rates for ammunition
Speaker 5: we're not really so happy selling them there either.
Speaker 6: The reason we have to.
Speaker 5: Sell them there is because our costs go up when
Speaker 5: that happens. And so we have been working across our
Speaker 5: entire fifteen year history to kind of innovate and bring
Speaker 5: as much value as we possibly can to our customers.
Speaker 6: And we're not really ready to announce this yet.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to tease a little bit, but in
Speaker 5: the coming weeks, we're going to be releasing a product,
Speaker 5: a new way for customers to buy ammunition so that
Speaker 5: they can build an ammunition reserve now in a normal
Speaker 5: market price environment, so that they do not have to
Speaker 5: participate in the panic buying when things go crazy, and
Speaker 5: they'll know that they have access to ammunition that was
Speaker 5: reasonably priced from somebody that they can trust.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you and I have never talked before. There's call.
Speaker 3: I am just gonna I'm going to make a guess here. Okay,
Speaker 3: sure you can confirm or not confirm. But I have
Speaker 3: been saying for ten plus years to everybody who would
Speaker 3: listen in investing, they call it dollar cost averaging, and
Speaker 3: buy a little bit, buy a little bit, buy a
Speaker 3: little bit. I've been telling people, do the exact same
Speaker 3: thing on your AMMO by one hundred grounds, one hundred rounds.
Speaker 3: You know, when the prices are up by a little bit,
Speaker 3: when the prices are down by a little bit, before
Speaker 3: you know what, you're going to turn out and go, Wow,
Speaker 3: I've got a whole bunch of AMMO here, and I
Speaker 3: don't really care what the price fluctuation is. Am I
Speaker 3: getting close.
Speaker 6: You're a smart man, You're very very close.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: In the innovation that we've brought there, you know, really
Speaker 5: relies on the trust that we've built with our customer base.
Speaker 5: So the big problem with what you've talked about is
Speaker 5: if you want a good price on one hundred grounds,
Speaker 5: you kind of.
Speaker 6: Have to buy it locally. You can't really buy one
Speaker 6: hundred rounds online. Have it shipped to you. Doesn't make
Speaker 6: any sense, no, because of the shipping right and so.
Speaker 5: What we're building here and the game, and there'll be
Speaker 5: more information in a couple of weeks. Right now, we're
Speaker 5: in an invite only preview as we kind of work
Speaker 5: out the bugs, but you'll be able to buy a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 6: Like you said, over time, we're going to hold it
Speaker 6: for you. Oh so it's.
Speaker 3: You've insured yeah, you're but your client to control of
Speaker 3: the shipping costs that.
Speaker 4: Way, Yep.
Speaker 6: It sits with us until you're ready for it.
Speaker 5: You ask us the ship and then depending on how
Speaker 5: much ask us the ship and where you want it
Speaker 5: to ship it there maybe shipping in taxes it needs
Speaker 5: to be paid at that time, but you won't have
Speaker 5: to participate in whatever the market price is for the
Speaker 5: AMMO at that time. So we'll have a lot more
Speaker 5: information about this coming soon, including the name. But I'm
Speaker 5: kind of on embargo. I probably said more than my
Speaker 5: team wants me to say already.
Speaker 3: All right, so what's hot right now? What are people
Speaker 3: buying in bulk and trying to really stock up on?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to be honest, the bulk items that
Speaker 5: people stock up on rarely change. And so it is
Speaker 5: right now nine millimeter FMJ and two two three five
Speaker 5: five six fifty five grain and it kind of all is.
Speaker 5: We used to see a lot of people kind of
Speaker 5: stocking up on twenty two, but that market really isn't
Speaker 5: as hot as it used to be, and part of
Speaker 5: it is priced.
Speaker 6: Twenty two has come up quite a bit on price.
Speaker 6: I think it's close to nine cents.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: Right now, And I mean I remember it at three percent.
Speaker 5: I remember when five cents was a lot, let's put
Speaker 5: it that way. And maybe dating myself a little bit here,
Speaker 5: but I think that that's probably part of it, but
Speaker 5: also that I think people are more focused on stocking
Speaker 5: up for self defense training, and you know, twenty two
Speaker 5: is kind of a different beast, right so it's really
Speaker 5: not considered a self defense round.
Speaker 6: I think that is probably why.
Speaker 5: But I would also say there's a very weird thing
Speaker 5: happening in the market right now, which your listeners may
Speaker 5: not have heard of or.
Speaker 6: Heard about at this point.
Speaker 5: It's very odd because I've never quite seen the market
Speaker 5: like this before.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of supply in the market.
Speaker 5: So even on like nine and two two three, which
Speaker 5: are the most common they probably make up depending on
Speaker 5: the business, between fifty and eighty percent of the revenue
Speaker 5: of a business selling M is going to be in
Speaker 5: nine and two two three. It's not a lot of
Speaker 5: that coming from the major manufacturers in the marketplace.
Speaker 6: Yet. Prices haven't really moved, which is good for the consumer,
Speaker 6: but it's not normal Normally when there's not.
Speaker 5: A lot of supply coming, prices go up so I
Speaker 5: will openly admit I have no idea what is going on, Tom,
Speaker 5: but it.
Speaker 6: Is kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 5: And if we're going to talk about, you know, where
Speaker 5: the market is and what people are stocking up on
Speaker 5: or not, I would put that out there for your listeners.
Speaker 5: And I suppose the point of all that is we
Speaker 5: are in a normal market price environment right now, but
Speaker 5: we never know how long it's going to last. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't like to participate in fear monitoring, and I'm
Speaker 5: not doing that here.
Speaker 6: I truly don't know. But the market is weird right now.
Speaker 3: Well to your point though, but if you have a
Speaker 3: shortage or at least the availability is not what it
Speaker 3: has been on which you think it should be, logically
Speaker 3: one would say there is at least a decent chance
Speaker 3: at some point the prices are going to be adjusted
Speaker 3: to allow for that market consideration and going okay, now
Speaker 3: there's prices could go up. It's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: So it's when prices are low and they are now. Look,
Speaker 3: if you've been buying animal for thirty years, prices are.
Speaker 6: Not lower, they don't seem well, But then again.
Speaker 3: You also can't buy a car for what you could
Speaker 3: buy it four for thirty years ago, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of the same.
Speaker 6: Paid five and a half dollars for gallon milk today?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right, all right, So tell me this. What's
Speaker 3: the story with Dan Wolgen. Where did you come from?
Speaker 3: How did you get into this thing?
Speaker 5: I've got to I guess a very weird story from
Speaker 5: that perspective. I grew up in Pennsylvania, right outside of Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: Uh, And I.
Speaker 5: Grew up in a very suburban area, so not like
Speaker 5: we were going out back and hunting. But my family
Speaker 5: was involved in the shooting sports. My father was a hunter,
Speaker 5: and I was exposed to it.
Speaker 6: I actually, you're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 5: I've gone to Utah to hunt antelope. I've never gone
Speaker 5: white tail deer hunting. I have tried and tried and
Speaker 5: tried growing up.
Speaker 6: It's crazy. It's really odd.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: I would set it up every year, and whatever weekend
Speaker 5: had happened to fall on, the guys I was going
Speaker 5: with were all snowplowd drivers, and it would snow and
Speaker 5: they would all have to go and work and the
Speaker 5: hunt will get canceled. This happened, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 5: four or five times something or other thing that ultimately
Speaker 5: canceled the hunt. So I found that really very funny.
Speaker 5: I still remember practicing, you know, I'd never really been shooting.
Speaker 5: I had a Mosburg smooth barrel that I was shooting
Speaker 5: slugs out of. This is what I was going to
Speaker 5: take to go deer hunting. And I remember I found
Speaker 5: an outdoor range. I went up by myself. I must
Speaker 5: have shot fifty sixty rounds of twelve gage.
Speaker 6: Man. I couldn't move the next day. It was almost
Speaker 6: a good thing that I got canceled. My whole right
Speaker 6: shoulder and chest were all bruised.
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't have anybody there at that point, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: to teach me. So anyway, fast forward, many many years,
Speaker 5: through many different avenues. I was actually educated as an engineer,
Speaker 5: and then I worked in finance for some time, and
Speaker 5: then I was able, lucky enough to join the founders
Speaker 5: of this company, Ammunition Depot, who were growing like crazy
Speaker 5: and needed some more bodies there to help. And over
Speaker 5: the years have become the CEO and also the owner
Speaker 5: of Ammunition Depot. So I've been firmly entrenched in this
Speaker 5: industry and this culture for over fifteen years. Now, but
Speaker 5: I'd say it all started. I'm actually, while we're talking
Speaker 5: about this, from any things.
Speaker 6: When I was a kid, I built a flip lock
Speaker 6: pistol from a kid with my dad. I remember that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: That's probably the first exposure that I had to this
Speaker 5: world was that, and then here we are.
Speaker 6: Who would have thunk it?
Speaker 4: Well, Ded?
Speaker 3: I like the approach you say, Look, we may not
Speaker 3: be the cheapest, we're going to be real close to
Speaker 3: the cheapest, but we are going to be the best.
Speaker 3: We're going to take care of you, and you're going
Speaker 3: to enjoy your relationship with us, and if there's a problem,
Speaker 3: we'll own up to it and we'll take care of you.
Speaker 4: That's a I think that's a very enlightened approach.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that, and I'll just say because my team
Speaker 5: will get mad at me if I don't. We may
Speaker 5: be the cheapest, sure, thank yet a lot of times
Speaker 5: we will be the cheapest, but not always.
Speaker 6: It's not our primary goal.
Speaker 5: Our primary goal is to ensure that we're running a
Speaker 5: healthy business, taking care of our customers, and that we're
Speaker 5: going to be here next year and in five years,
Speaker 5: and in ten years and fifty years, God willing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, at least from my perspective, I've got
Speaker 3: to the point where the two cents around or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, is not worth worrying. If I'm going to
Speaker 3: get the ship better, what's going to happen? What condition
Speaker 3: it's going to be in when it gets here? Is
Speaker 3: the box going to be broken open as your handle's
Speaker 3: spilling out all over the place. I want to deal
Speaker 3: with a reputable company that cares. We are that for sure, man, Thank.
Speaker 4: You so much.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it's called ammunition depot. Good luck with the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 6: Man, Thanks, Tom, appreciate it all.
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Speaker 3: Awareness Day with an ex post they changed their team
Speaker 3: logo colors from green and white to orange and white.
Speaker 3: Orange is the official color of the Gun Violence Awareness Day.
Speaker 3: My thought on that is this, I guarantee you that
Speaker 3: the gun band lobby, the every Town for Gun Safety
Speaker 3: people went to these sports teams and encouraged their social
Speaker 3: media people to do something just to support this gun
Speaker 3: safety measure, and the people involved the sake, well, at
Speaker 3: the teams, it's a freeviewers throw it out there. Who
Speaker 3: could object to that, not understanding that this is the
Speaker 3: gun band lobby. These are the people who want to
Speaker 3: take away all our guns without a doubt, not overstating it.
Speaker 3: They clearly say that everyone smile. They'll actually say the
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Speaker 3: not going to watch their shows or their games. Okay,
Speaker 3: But that really doesn't do anything because they don't know
Speaker 3: why if they feel the impact at all, they don't
Speaker 3: know what happened. The only way that it has an
Speaker 3: impact is if we respond directly to them, and every
Speaker 3: time you see it you respawn with no, you guys
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Speaker 3: Talk Truth Squad. Our motto is a lie left unchallenged,
Speaker 3: becomes the truth. Therefore, we will challenge every lie every
Speaker 3: time we see it, every time we hear it, we
Speaker 3: will push back. We were not just shrugging, go oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's this way it is. It's just the media, it's
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Speaker 3: way you get them to stop doing that is to
Speaker 3: push back and say, yeah, there's a cost here.
Speaker 4: You think that everybody agrees with you. We don't.
Speaker 3: And if they get a couple of comments, they ignore it.
Speaker 3: If they get one hundred comments, they start to pay attention.
Speaker 3: If they get a thousand comments on their websites, on
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Speaker 3: Who thought that was a good idea? Why don't we
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Speaker 3: Why are we getting involved in these social causes that
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Speaker 4: We just want to.
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Speaker 3: back like almost before there was an internet. This is
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Speaker 3: really didn't have a way when articles were published and such,
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Speaker 3: I asked for volunteers. I wanted to get two people
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Speaker 4: There, all right, give you a holler eighty six six
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Speaker 3: This this gun talk, all right. I got a lot
Speaker 3: of things to talk about. I got a couple of
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Speaker 3: that one's really affordable. MSRP is three hundred bucks on
Speaker 3: this thing. So there are some very nice guns out
Speaker 3: there you do not have spent a fortune on. And
Speaker 3: that's just a couple of them. But don't feel like
Speaker 3: you're getting you're getting less than with these. You're getting
Speaker 3: a really good capable self defense gun you can bet
Speaker 3: your life on. And yet you want to spend more
Speaker 3: and get more you can, and some of us do
Speaker 3: just because we like them, but we understand it's not
Speaker 3: because we have to. Okay, fair enough, and look in
Speaker 3: just a few minutes after we do some other things,
Speaker 3: I want to address the Twin Falls shooting. It turns
Speaker 3: out there were three good guys with guns trying to
Speaker 3: stop this guy. All of them were brave, all of
Speaker 3: them responded, but frankly, all of them screwed up. And
Speaker 3: I'll give you my take on that when we come back.
Speaker 3: First of all, let's go grab the phones. Line five.
Speaker 3: Larry's with us out of Wichtaft Falls, Texas. Larry, thank
Speaker 3: you for your patience. What's going on, man?
Speaker 12: Well, a few weeks ago I called you about my
Speaker 12: FN reflex that was misfiring and stuff, and I remember that.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 12: I notified the factory. They said, they sent me a label.
Speaker 12: I sent it in. I got an email sho after
Speaker 12: that explaining what they fixed. And then about a less
Speaker 12: than a week later, I signed for my pistol and
Speaker 12: it was all fixed up. They had to replace the
Speaker 12: firing pin and the retainer for the firing pin. Do
Speaker 12: you remember kind of pulling my leg about mounting an
Speaker 12: optic comment, and that was probably the cause of the problem. Well,
Speaker 12: as it turns out now, they FM didn't say anything
Speaker 12: to me. They just said they fixed the pistol. But
Speaker 12: like I normally do, I went to mountain optic back
Speaker 12: on it, and I hit my favorite Google to get
Speaker 12: the right torque on the screws like I had the
Speaker 12: first time, only this time, instead of popping up with
Speaker 12: AI and saying I should tork them to whatever inch pounds,
Speaker 12: it popped up with a service bulletin from FN from
Speaker 12: twenty twenty five warning that if you mount an optic
Speaker 12: on a reflexed pistol, make sure you use the proper
Speaker 12: linked screws or you could impair the firing pin.
Speaker 4: Oh gee, you mean like Tom said?
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 13: Saw that.
Speaker 12: I laughed. Yeah a second, sir.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, no, I'm good. I can hear you.
Speaker 3: Fine, yep, where we maybe lose them, but we'll keep
Speaker 3: him on there for the uh oh he dropped off. Okay, well, look, Larry,
Speaker 3: we dropped you dropped out. You had some bad connection there,
Speaker 3: But I appreciate the follow up on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The takeaways are.
Speaker 3: This, when you add anything to your gun, you also
Speaker 3: add complications and possible issues. So if you where do
Speaker 3: they say that, if something's going wrong, figure out the
Speaker 3: last thing you touched and untouched it. We do that
Speaker 3: with aviation. What was the last thing I touched? What's
Speaker 3: the last control I made? Go back and undo that one.
Speaker 3: Maybe the engine will start again, we hope. But in
Speaker 3: this case, uh, it's good. The other takeaway is f
Speaker 3: N fixed it. People say, well, I bought this gun.
Speaker 3: Sh can be malfunctioned. Yeah, I know, I get it.
Speaker 3: They don't want it to malfunction either. They surely don't
Speaker 3: want you to call me on national radio and complained
Speaker 3: about it by name. So I said, look, give f
Speaker 3: In a chance. Every gun company I know will make
Speaker 3: it right for you, and they will do it as
Speaker 3: quickly as possible. So good on FN and Larry. I
Speaker 3: appreciate you followed up because people are quick to complain
Speaker 3: and often not quick to give credit where credit is due,
Speaker 3: and Larry did a good thing there. We appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Let's grab Paul on line one out of Casper, Wyoming. Hey, Paul,
Speaker 3: what's cooking?
Speaker 13: Hello?
Speaker 14: I'm wondering. Okay, short barrel rifles. Uh ar, I've already
Speaker 14: got a short barrel or my AR so am I good?
Speaker 3: Wait wait I need more explanation. What are you talking
Speaker 3: about here?
Speaker 14: Okay? Uh, short barrel rifles AR. The lower is the
Speaker 14: registered part. The upper the barrel has no.
Speaker 3: What what do you have? Do you have a lower
Speaker 3: that is registered SBR.
Speaker 14: H No?
Speaker 13: Nothing?
Speaker 3: Okay, So you want to put you want to put
Speaker 3: a short barrel on your AR lower?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 14: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay. You're going to get conflicting information about this on
Speaker 3: the internet.
Speaker 4: If you look.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you one thing, and people are
Speaker 3: going to tell tell you, oh, Tom didn't nobody's talking
Speaker 3: about which often is the case. I'll admit that in
Speaker 3: this case, I'm going to suggest you go slowly converting
Speaker 3: your gun to an SBR without a form sitting in
Speaker 3: the form four one whatever it is.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 3: For one thing, I think you have to be part
Speaker 3: of a particular class. There were two different lawsuits here
Speaker 3: that just got decided in Texas, and only one of
Speaker 3: them covered the SBRs. The other one did not, and
Speaker 3: so only one set of plaintiffs and groups are covered.
Speaker 4: By that.
Speaker 3: But I would just say this, I think in this case,
Speaker 3: patience is a virtue. Let's wait until we get a
Speaker 3: bit more information about what you can and cannot do
Speaker 3: in making your own SBR. We will get some guidance
Speaker 3: from ATF and from the FEDS here, probably in a
Speaker 3: few weeks, maybe a month or so, and at that
Speaker 3: point we'll know what you can do.
Speaker 4: Here's the problem. We would love to all of us
Speaker 4: would love to do this.
Speaker 3: The potential penalties that we could run into are catastrophic,
Speaker 3: frankly if somebody from the FEDS decide they wanted to
Speaker 3: come after you. So I would just recommend you just
Speaker 3: have some patience wait on it right now. Like I say,
Speaker 3: in a week or two or three, we're going to
Speaker 3: get a good bit more information. This thing is brand new,
Speaker 3: is very very fresh. So look, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you ask. It gives me a chance to
Speaker 3: address this. Another thing, this lawsuit which was decided in
Speaker 3: Texas that the judge put in it's his decision and
Speaker 3: said I'm going to put a seven days stay on it,
Speaker 3: which is a waiting pair to pause before it goes
Speaker 3: into effect. And the government has seven days to appeal
Speaker 3: the case or the stay. The government decided not to
Speaker 3: appeal the stay the pause, but there's another sixty days
Speaker 3: during which the government Department of Justice can still appeal
Speaker 3: the decision itself. So the injunction has taken place and
Speaker 3: they're not appealing that, but it's conceivable they could come
Speaker 3: back and make it appeal and say, ok we disagree
Speaker 3: with this decision and we think that suppressor should still
Speaker 3: fall under NFA. Here's what I'm getting, inside information, behind
Speaker 3: the scenes.
Speaker 4: Deep throat stuff, whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm getting the information that almost certainly the government is
Speaker 3: not going to appeal the decision. They're gonna let it stand.
Speaker 3: There are at least two other cases out there challenging
Speaker 3: the NFA on other grounds. This was not a second
Speaker 3: mimic case. We need a second Amendment decision on this.
Speaker 3: And here's why this was decided because we remove the
Speaker 3: tax in one big beautiful bill, so okay, no tax
Speaker 3: on suppressors. And then the losses said, well, if there's
Speaker 3: no tax, then you have no basis for requiring registration.
Speaker 3: Because the NFA, the National Farms Act, was done as
Speaker 3: a tax course. It said, yeah, there's no tax, and
Speaker 3: you can't require registration for having because the registration is
Speaker 3: to prove that you pay the tax. Here's the problem.
Speaker 3: When the Democrats get control of Congress, and they will
Speaker 3: possibly probably admit terms this year, get a reconciliation bill
Speaker 3: where they don't have to have a veto override, they
Speaker 3: could reinstitute a tax because in a reconciliation bill you
Speaker 3: can do tax stuff. They could put a tax back
Speaker 3: on suppressors. Instead of it being two hundred dollars, they
Speaker 3: can make it two thousand dollars or four thousand dollars
Speaker 3: and require registration of suppressors. Then the question is would
Speaker 3: Donald Trump veto a reconciliation bill just to protect suppressors.
Speaker 3: People can vote either way on that one. Figure out
Speaker 3: where you are on that. It may be that we're
Speaker 3: looking at basically that in California they had Freedom Week
Speaker 3: where they had one week to buy standard capacity magazines,
Speaker 3: and then that door slam shut. Freedom Week became this
Speaker 3: thing that people knew about it. Maybe we are in
Speaker 3: a freedom Week which is going to extend to some months,
Speaker 3: but after the midterm elections and when the new Congress
Speaker 3: comes in, we could be hearing that door slam and
Speaker 3: shut on this decision unless we can get a good
Speaker 3: second amendment case is that it's not a tax issue,
Speaker 3: it's a second Amendment issue. So all about to say,
Speaker 3: just be careful do your research. I mean people are
Speaker 3: buying them right now. You go to a lot of
Speaker 3: stores and buys the pressure without filing the Form four
Speaker 3: doing any of that registration, and if you can, you should. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I think I would do that on SBRs and SBS's.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit more information we need and as
Speaker 3: that comes forward, I'll give that information out here as well.
Speaker 4: Let's grab line three. David with us out of White
Speaker 4: City Organ.
Speaker 3: Hey David, what you been shooting? See if David's still there? Hey, hey, David,
Speaker 3: you're there. He's not there, okay, he's got me muted.
Speaker 3: He's watching you know, sports or I love Lucy reruns
Speaker 3: or something that's okay, that's okay. It gives me a
Speaker 3: chance to do my own range report. I went to
Speaker 3: the range yesterday. Remember last week I was telling you
Speaker 3: I was having problems with my thirty out six. I
Speaker 3: was working up loads for it. Frankly, it was shooting terribly.
Speaker 3: I'm talking three inch groups one hundred yards and it's
Speaker 3: an ultra light arms, one of the Melvin Forbes models.
Speaker 4: And they usually shoot really well. And I was.
Speaker 3: Shooting one hundred and eighty grain nozz of pratitions and
Speaker 3: just it wasn't doing well at all. So I said, well,
Speaker 3: let's change some things up. So I switched to one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five grain nozzler acubine bullet, and I
Speaker 3: switched powders as well. Went to reloader seventeen and I
Speaker 3: loaded five rounds each a three different charges with increasing
Speaker 3: powder charges, working my way up to the published max.
Speaker 3: In the first five rounds I shot, I went, well,
Speaker 3: that's better, but it's not great.
Speaker 4: It was like a two to two and a half
Speaker 4: inch group. Darn.
Speaker 3: And then so I shot the next five rounds, which
Speaker 3: was two grains more powder, and the group shranked to
Speaker 3: like an inch and a half to two inches. I went, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's looking good. And then I remember a year or
Speaker 3: two ago I was doing the same thing basically with
Speaker 3: the same power reloader seventeen. For whatever reason, it likes
Speaker 3: to be right up at max and with another rifle.
Speaker 3: The group shrank as I got closer and closer to
Speaker 3: the max powder charge so I went ed, went to
Speaker 3: the max powder charge in this one and shot that.
Speaker 3: I got a one inch group and I pushed one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five gran thirty colive bullet at three
Speaker 3: thousand and per second on the Crown draft.
Speaker 4: What's done, cleare victory.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be my Well, it's going to be my
Speaker 3: backup rifle for my elk hunt. But honestly, it would
Speaker 3: work fine as a primary. It'll probably be my backup
Speaker 3: gun on a deer hunt, but it would work fine
Speaker 3: as the primary on that. While I was there, I
Speaker 3: shot my two fifty seven Roberts actually improved and my
Speaker 3: three point thirty eight actually improved, and got both of
Speaker 3: them on, got them all shooting hitting about three inches
Speaker 3: high at one hundred yards.
Speaker 4: Why would you do that? Tom? You can use the
Speaker 4: dialing scopes. Because I don't like the dialing scoopes. That's why.
Speaker 3: For me, Yes, I do sound like that old guy.
Speaker 3: You know why, because I have experience. The more complication
Speaker 3: you put into things, the more opportunities you have for
Speaker 3: things to fail. And if I sight in these rifles,
Speaker 3: all of them three inches high one hundred yards, I
Speaker 3: can hold on to three hundred and fifty yards and
Speaker 3: hit right where I want to hit on an elk,
Speaker 3: I won't be more than four inches high, and I
Speaker 3: won't be more than four inches low. Now with the
Speaker 3: three thirty eight out six, it has more drop, so
Speaker 3: I've got alloted a little bit more. But it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I checked the trajectory of the thirty six used one
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five grain bullet, and the two fifty
Speaker 3: seven Roberts actually improved using one hundred and fifteen grain
Speaker 3: ballistic tip. I was a blistic tip at thirty one
Speaker 3: hundred feet per second, and they have almost identical trajectories
Speaker 3: three inches high at one hundred and the drop is
Speaker 3: the same out to four hundred, so I don't even
Speaker 3: have to worry about it. So I'm good to go.
Speaker 3: I got all three rifles now, thank goodness. I've worked
Speaker 3: up the loads and they're ready to go. So I've
Speaker 3: got Elcott next month, and then I've got two mule
Speaker 3: deer tags, one in October, one in November. And who
Speaker 3: knows what else is going to be walking around out there.
Speaker 3: I've got man, I got tags for bear for wolves.
Speaker 3: Just that's the one thing I do love about being
Speaker 3: a resident in Idaho. I mean each of those tags
Speaker 3: is like seven bucks. So it's like, why would you
Speaker 3: the chances of seeing a wolf, much less getting get
Speaker 3: shot at a wolf. I might as well be looking
Speaker 3: for cashper the ghost out there. It's probably not gonna happen,
Speaker 3: you know, but for seven bucks, you put the tag
Speaker 3: in your pocket just because it might happen, right, simple
Speaker 3: as that. So that's my range report. Went out and
Speaker 3: shot some nice rifles. Finally, what a relief got that
Speaker 3: odd six shooting? I was beginning to wonder. I was thinking, Man,
Speaker 3: am I gonna have a bad rifle here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I didn't think. So it's Melvin's rifles.
Speaker 3: Always shoot, and I know if those are saying and
Speaker 3: it's that's nothing.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 3: When I'm shooting a big bullet, find a head and out,
Speaker 3: it's going to be just fine. That's a four inch
Speaker 3: group at four hundred yards, not a worry. Just shoot him,
Speaker 3: sharpen your knife fair enough. Our number here is eighty
Speaker 3: six y six talk gun. Clearly it's also Tom talk gun.
Speaker 3: If there's something on your mind, a carry pistol you're
Speaker 3: thinking about buying, give me a call.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: If you've listened to this for any length of time,
Speaker 3: you know how much I like good glass. Will be
Speaker 3: talking about really good glass. Oh just a few minutes.
Speaker 3: You do not want to miss that. Let's go grab
Speaker 3: the phones though, because Mike's called in out of Winchester, Tennessee. Mike,
Speaker 3: you're on the air. You've been playing with recoil springs.
Speaker 13: Out here, That is true, Tom, Always good to talk
Speaker 13: to you, buddy.
Speaker 14: Hey.
Speaker 13: So yeah, recently, so all the yours I was in
Speaker 13: law enforcement, right, we were not allowed to modify our
Speaker 13: weapons at all. I mean they had to be boone stock.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 13: It's a I guess they called it a reliability and
Speaker 13: a liability issue, right.
Speaker 12: And so now that.
Speaker 13: I'm retired, my brother, oldest brother has been shooting competition
Speaker 13: for a while. He got me into CZ pistols and
Speaker 13: he said that most of the pistols semi autus are
Speaker 13: oversprung at the factory. And all the years I've been shooting,
Speaker 13: I never even knew what that was. And so I've
Speaker 13: started looking. You know, I've been buying a couple of
Speaker 13: things that I've showed you, and amazing difference in buying,
Speaker 13: you know, getting away from the you know the plastic
Speaker 13: guide road and the you know, the eighteen pounds springs
Speaker 13: and ordering different things from a couple of different companies
Speaker 13: for the CZ and the Walter pistols with the stainless
Speaker 13: steel captured guide rod with a lowered spring rate, and
Speaker 13: you call these vendors in that world wealth of information.
Speaker 13: One of them for the PDP, I got nine percent
Speaker 13: reduction spring with a encapsule a stainless seel guide rud.
Speaker 13: It made a world of difference in that pistol.
Speaker 4: I mean what difference When you say a world of difference?
Speaker 4: What was the difference?
Speaker 3: Different way of feeling of reliability or accuracy? What are
Speaker 3: we talking about?
Speaker 13: Yeah, so it's a lot smoother to wrack the slide,
Speaker 13: and it's you can tell it's lighter. But the recoil
Speaker 13: impulse is a lot different. Where on the water you know,
Speaker 13: it's it's it used to be kind of tight, I
Speaker 13: want to say, and the recoil impulse was more of
Speaker 13: a snap, you know, but now it's a lot smoother.
Speaker 13: It's almost like shooting in nineteen eleven where it comes
Speaker 13: back and as soon as it goes back into battery,
Speaker 13: you're right on target, all right.
Speaker 4: But you do know, I know, you know this.
Speaker 3: If you go to a lighter spring, you're going to
Speaker 3: maybe you get those benefits, maybe not.
Speaker 4: And people need to understand.
Speaker 3: You can swap springs out and change it back and
Speaker 3: forth and see what feels good to you, but when
Speaker 3: you go to the lighters, there's a very good chance
Speaker 3: it's not going to last as long as a stronger spring,
Speaker 3: and you're going to have to replace I mean, look,
Speaker 3: springs are cheap anyway, but you probably will have to
Speaker 3: replace that spring a bit more often, right right, Oh.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, But I'm not shooting competition, so.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because people are shooting competition. If you're going
Speaker 3: through three five thousand rounds, it's like, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: I got to replace springs every two or three thousand rounds,
Speaker 3: which with a factory spring probably not with a lighter spring,
Speaker 3: maybe you're replacing the spring every thousand rounds.
Speaker 4: But again, I mean, what's the spring costing you? Ten
Speaker 4: fifteen bucks?
Speaker 13: So the well, the encapsulated ones were forty dollars, but
Speaker 13: the actually just replace the spring on my SPO one,
Speaker 13: my CZ it's eight bucks, eight dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so why not I'll try it? Yeah, just
Speaker 3: I mean, and you can also match the spring to
Speaker 3: the different loads. If you're using particularly lightweight loads, you
Speaker 3: can increase reliability to go into a lighter spring.
Speaker 4: If you're going to use really heavy.
Speaker 3: Loads, like you said, I'm going to put those big
Speaker 3: bear loads in my gun, you might want to go
Speaker 3: to a heavier spring and just try it. But look,
Speaker 3: here's the other part of it. If you're changing springs out,
Speaker 3: now you're on your own. The factory didn't make it
Speaker 3: that way, so you are responsible for making sure that
Speaker 3: it works the way it's supposed to. How do you
Speaker 3: do that? You take it out and shoot it, and
Speaker 3: shoot it a lot, put one hundred and two hundred
Speaker 3: rounds to it with those loads. Oh but those barrel
Speaker 3: loads are expensive.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: But you do want it to work if that bear
Speaker 3: is coming at you to chew your leg off, right,
Speaker 3: So you might want to run at least a couple
Speaker 3: of magazines worse through it just to make sure everything works.
Speaker 3: But yeah, good and Mike, thanks for the call. Appreciate
Speaker 3: that good comment there. Changing the springs out on your
Speaker 3: semi auto pistol is one way to customize it and
Speaker 3: fine tuneit. Just know what you're doing, Experiment, and on
Speaker 3: up to it. If you screw it up,