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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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with the unnamed mcc captain and his interview with the

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OIG inspectors investigating the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Question, So

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when the investigation comes down, of course, in made Epstein

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would have been interviewed in Maye TARTAGLIONI would have been interviewed,

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at which time you would have took those statements, you

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would have waived, and then he would have took into

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consideration any witness statement or anything that was observed during

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the clinical assessment. So that's why health services helps us out,

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because the inmates don't want to understand that everything they're

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doing or anything they're saying is being entered on the

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clinical assessment investigator. Sure answer by the captain, So that's

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where they were saying that he wasn't his actions may

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not have been what they should have been for the

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person that was quasi supposed to have been assaulted, or

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if he was supposed to have been unconscious, you were

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displaying this type of manipulative behavior. So again, I wasn't there,

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so I don't know what occurred. I'm just going by

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what the information that was relayed back to me. Question

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absolutely so as far as Tartaglioni, what was he in for? Answer?

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I believe that Tartaglioni was responsible for He was a

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former police officer, I believe, and I believe he had

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killed four people and then he buried them, buried the

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victims somewhere up near Otisville Prison. I think that's what

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it was back in the day. Question Okay, answer yeah,

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something like that. Question so he was actually in for

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murder though, answer yeah, it was murder. He was in

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for murder and whatever other stuff he was doing doing

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in his capacity as a police officer. Question and who

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selected him to and why to be Epstein? He gets

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cut off by the captain who selected him? Answer? Who

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selected him to be Epstein's roommate and why? Answer? I

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don't remember who that is Tartaglioni. But what I will

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tell you is that even though Tartaglioni had murder on

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his jacket, Tartaglioni was an inmate that had issues being

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in general population. You understand what I'm saying. Answer or question?

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Uh huh? Former police officer. Answer, former police officer he

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had issues because I've dealt with Tartaglioni at Brooklyn, So

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he was up on one of the units in Brooklyn,

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and he had issues with those inmates in those blocks

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where they're made for people who are sex offenders, for

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inmates that have issues with when they go to population general,

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they can't code former law enforcement. These types of guys

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are in that unit. So you don't really have that

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much issue in those types of units because these guys

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are going to do their time or wait for their

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sentencing and then they move on, so you don't really

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have a lot of violence. But this guy was always

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always in the mix of something. Question uh huh answer,

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But we couldn't put them on general population unit, and

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you can't just throw them in the shoe, you know

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what I'm saying, just because just you can't. So on

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Brooklyn we had the ability to put him I think

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it was K eighty two, I can't remember. But when

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he goes to MCC, you know, they don't have those

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type of units, so he would have to go to

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general population or he would go to the shoe. So

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if the inmate fails the program and said I'm not

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going to population, you can't force me. So when you

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do his assessment, his unit team does the assessment, Psychology

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does their assessment, Health services does their assessment, and say, well, hey,

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this guy is clear to go to GP. There's nothing

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precluding him to go. But the inmate said, well, you know,

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i'm three oh six. Three oh six is refusal of programs.

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I'm not going, so put me in the shoe. So

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that's how he ended up in the shoe. Answer sure,

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so he was in the shoe already. Answer yeah. Question

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and do you believe he was a good placement for Epstein?

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Answer well, at the time. Again, you would have to

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be mindful. How could I put this? Inmates are not

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placed in sales based on race or but however, or

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a gang affiliation, all of these things that you know.

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But however, you vet inmates. So you say, okay, well

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you have guys up there at the MCC that we're

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facing murder charges. There's a lot of them. Hey, I

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mean if they're in the shoe, that means they can't

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cope on the outside, they can't cope in general population unit.

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So we would look at them just like another inmate.

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He never heard another inmate question and that was going

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to be my next question. So he wasn't known to

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assault anyone? Answer, bro, he never assaulted another inmate? Answer okay,

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question yeah, you got a murder beef. Okay, that's fine.

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But guess what he never hurt any other inmates while incarcerated.

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Question sure, so take taking though that he was incarcerated

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due to murder and that Epstein claimed that he tried

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to murder them? Do you think that do you believe

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that there was any credibility to that claim? Answer? Again,

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what I will say is what I will tell you,

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Like you said my statement before that, it was brought

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to my attention that inmate Epstein was doing manipulative behavior,

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kind of testing the water to see what he can

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get away with. Being his initial incarceration, probably not too

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familiar with being in jail, but however, he's a smart guy.

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He kind of figured out what he could do in

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order for him one not to go to GP two,

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try to get in the shoe and try to get

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a cell by himself. That's kind of where he wanted

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it to go. Question So, then he wanted to be

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in the shoe by himself, and that may have been

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why he said that. Okay, So, you believe that he

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made the claim against our taglione because he wanted to

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be in a cell by himself. Question that's my belief.

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After looking at everything and everything that was done, I believe,

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so I think that would be accurate. Question. Okay, it

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says he was placed back on suicide watch for approximately

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one week. So that happened on the twenty third, and

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it brought him up to about July thirtieth. Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question?

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Of twenty nineteen. Unlike his first in previous placement on

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suicide watch, Epstein now has definitive suicidal tendencies reported in

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his incarceration history. The staff was tasked with determining whether

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Epstein was in fact suicidal or using tactics to avoid

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assignment of a cellmate. After suicide Watch, Epstein was placed

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on psychological observation and eventually returned to the shoe. Now again,

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and just to go back this tense outh thing that

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didn't wear a lieutenant bringing it to you, like, hey,

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should he be on ten South? Answer? No question. You

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don't recall any lieutenant saying that. Answer. That wouldn't be

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a lieutenant's purview. Question. Sure answer, a lieutenant most of

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the people, and then I will tell you I didn't

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understand Sam's placement until I became a deputy captain. Question okay,

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answer all right, and I understood that, you know these guys,

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you just can't put a guy as a Sam's that identifier.

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That's an identifier that has to come from Central office.

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Question Okay, answer bop Central office question. So if a lieutenant,

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So if we're talking lieutenants and they're saying he should

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have been intense South but they don't know what they're

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talking about, basically, answer no, because that identifier, because I

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believe you know, this is an identifier that's put on

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the inmate, just like I'll give you an example sentencing designations. Okay,

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that's their job. They're going to do, say what security

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level inmates, what type of prisons they go to, if

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they're a transgender, you know, all the different things. All

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that stuff is going to come from the Central Office

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to say, Okay, we looked at this particular inmate's history

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or a PSI, and we feel that the identifier needs

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to be placed on this inmate. So is Sam's identification

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or a moniker put on an inmate? Executive staff can't

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put that on there that's going to come from Central Office.

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Question Okay, so although a lieutenant may have thought gets

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cut off by the captain, they may have Yeah, they

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may have thought and said yeah, do too. Yeah, the

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situation of him being a multi billionaire or whatever, or

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due to his issue of his proclivity to sexual deviances

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and all of these things, he wouldn't be a candidate

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to go to GP. But guess what that responsibility, that

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identifi or that moniker should have been put on Epstein

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before he even came to MCC. Question sure, so do

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you know if this is something obviously it sounds like

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it would have been out of your hands. Would that

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be something that the warden would discuss with what the

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regional director? Answer? That's right. The wharton would have had

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that discussion between SIA, the regional staff, and also it

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goes to the region the Central office staff over correctional programming.

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Question okay, and you were never gets cut off involved

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with any designations? Answer? I would never be in any

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of those conversations. Question okay, fair enough, So who would

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be the two? I guess the warden would be the

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right person to go back to and just say, hey,

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did this ever come up? In converse station. Answer right question, Okay.

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It says at the direction of the Wharton, Redacted initiated

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the process of compiling possible cell mates for Epstein, vetting

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them and submitting candidates to the Wharton for his review.

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Redacted and to staff fully screen potential cell mates and

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reported their determinations up to the warden. Frin Reys was

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selected and housed in a cell with Epstein. Answer that's right. Question,

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And it says the assistant Wharton, but I'm assuming they

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mean the associate Warden, warden and regional director were notified.

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Answer okay, this is how that went down. Redacted sat

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with me, not with the AW present, and we wanted

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to We started talking about security protocol moving forward with Epstein.

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That's with me and redacted. We had this discussion. Question Okay,

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answer because, like I said earlier in my statement, even

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though the AW would have been next in succession as

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as far as my supervisor, however, I did have conversations

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directly with the Wharton as far as security situations indiscernible

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in the institution. So we sat there and he wanted

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me to complete names and vet inmates that would be

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possible good candidates. As a cellmate for Epstein moving forward.

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So I brought a compiled I believe I had ten names,

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and he and I went through those names. We brought

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it down to three. Then those three names were adacted

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because I sat there when he called the regional director

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on the phone, and the regional director vetted those three

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names question, sure, answer, And then I sat there and

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I was privy to that conversation. I sat there and

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he gave them and he faxed him the whole makeup

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of all three of them, and the regional director said, no,

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I want this guy question. So the regional director ultimately

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made the decision answer yes, all right. So we're going

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to wrap up right here, and in the next episode,

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