Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
with the unnamed mcc captain and his interview with the
OIG inspectors investigating the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Question, So
when the investigation comes down, of course, in made Epstein
would have been interviewed in Maye TARTAGLIONI would have been interviewed,
at which time you would have took those statements, you
would have waived, and then he would have took into
consideration any witness statement or anything that was observed during
the clinical assessment. So that's why health services helps us out,
because the inmates don't want to understand that everything they're
doing or anything they're saying is being entered on the
clinical assessment investigator. Sure answer by the captain, So that's
where they were saying that he wasn't his actions may
not have been what they should have been for the
person that was quasi supposed to have been assaulted, or
if he was supposed to have been unconscious, you were
displaying this type of manipulative behavior. So again, I wasn't there,
so I don't know what occurred. I'm just going by
what the information that was relayed back to me. Question
absolutely so as far as Tartaglioni, what was he in for? Answer?
I believe that Tartaglioni was responsible for He was a
former police officer, I believe, and I believe he had
killed four people and then he buried them, buried the
victims somewhere up near Otisville Prison. I think that's what
it was back in the day. Question Okay, answer yeah,
something like that. Question so he was actually in for
murder though, answer yeah, it was murder. He was in
for murder and whatever other stuff he was doing doing
in his capacity as a police officer. Question and who
selected him to and why to be Epstein? He gets
cut off by the captain who selected him? Answer? Who
selected him to be Epstein's roommate and why? Answer? I
don't remember who that is Tartaglioni. But what I will
tell you is that even though Tartaglioni had murder on
his jacket, Tartaglioni was an inmate that had issues being
in general population. You understand what I'm saying. Answer or question?
Uh huh? Former police officer. Answer, former police officer he
had issues because I've dealt with Tartaglioni at Brooklyn, So
he was up on one of the units in Brooklyn,
and he had issues with those inmates in those blocks
where they're made for people who are sex offenders, for
inmates that have issues with when they go to population general,
they can't code former law enforcement. These types of guys
are in that unit. So you don't really have that
much issue in those types of units because these guys
are going to do their time or wait for their
sentencing and then they move on, so you don't really
have a lot of violence. But this guy was always
always in the mix of something. Question uh huh answer,
But we couldn't put them on general population unit, and
you can't just throw them in the shoe, you know
what I'm saying, just because just you can't. So on
Brooklyn we had the ability to put him I think
it was K eighty two, I can't remember. But when
he goes to MCC, you know, they don't have those
type of units, so he would have to go to
general population or he would go to the shoe. So
if the inmate fails the program and said I'm not
going to population, you can't force me. So when you
do his assessment, his unit team does the assessment, Psychology
does their assessment, Health services does their assessment, and say, well, hey,
this guy is clear to go to GP. There's nothing
precluding him to go. But the inmate said, well, you know,
i'm three oh six. Three oh six is refusal of programs.
I'm not going, so put me in the shoe. So
that's how he ended up in the shoe. Answer sure,
so he was in the shoe already. Answer yeah. Question
and do you believe he was a good placement for Epstein?
Answer well, at the time. Again, you would have to
be mindful. How could I put this? Inmates are not
placed in sales based on race or but however, or
a gang affiliation, all of these things that you know.
But however, you vet inmates. So you say, okay, well
you have guys up there at the MCC that we're
facing murder charges. There's a lot of them. Hey, I
mean if they're in the shoe, that means they can't
cope on the outside, they can't cope in general population unit.
So we would look at them just like another inmate.
He never heard another inmate question and that was going
to be my next question. So he wasn't known to
assault anyone? Answer, bro, he never assaulted another inmate? Answer okay,
question yeah, you got a murder beef. Okay, that's fine.
But guess what he never hurt any other inmates while incarcerated.
Question sure, so take taking though that he was incarcerated
due to murder and that Epstein claimed that he tried
to murder them? Do you think that do you believe
that there was any credibility to that claim? Answer? Again,
what I will say is what I will tell you,
Like you said my statement before that, it was brought
to my attention that inmate Epstein was doing manipulative behavior,
kind of testing the water to see what he can
get away with. Being his initial incarceration, probably not too
familiar with being in jail, but however, he's a smart guy.
He kind of figured out what he could do in
order for him one not to go to GP two,
try to get in the shoe and try to get
a cell by himself. That's kind of where he wanted
it to go. Question So, then he wanted to be
in the shoe by himself, and that may have been
why he said that. Okay, So, you believe that he
made the claim against our taglione because he wanted to
be in a cell by himself. Question that's my belief.
After looking at everything and everything that was done, I believe,
so I think that would be accurate. Question. Okay, it
says he was placed back on suicide watch for approximately
one week. So that happened on the twenty third, and
it brought him up to about July thirtieth. Is that correct? Answer? Correct? Question?
Of twenty nineteen. Unlike his first in previous placement on
suicide watch, Epstein now has definitive suicidal tendencies reported in
his incarceration history. The staff was tasked with determining whether
Epstein was in fact suicidal or using tactics to avoid
assignment of a cellmate. After suicide Watch, Epstein was placed
on psychological observation and eventually returned to the shoe. Now again,
and just to go back this tense outh thing that
didn't wear a lieutenant bringing it to you, like, hey,
should he be on ten South? Answer? No question. You
don't recall any lieutenant saying that. Answer. That wouldn't be
a lieutenant's purview. Question. Sure answer, a lieutenant most of
the people, and then I will tell you I didn't
understand Sam's placement until I became a deputy captain. Question okay,
answer all right, and I understood that, you know these guys,
you just can't put a guy as a Sam's that identifier.
That's an identifier that has to come from Central office.
Question Okay, answer bop Central office question. So if a lieutenant,
So if we're talking lieutenants and they're saying he should
have been intense South but they don't know what they're
talking about, basically, answer no, because that identifier, because I
believe you know, this is an identifier that's put on
the inmate, just like I'll give you an example sentencing designations. Okay,
that's their job. They're going to do, say what security
level inmates, what type of prisons they go to, if
they're a transgender, you know, all the different things. All
that stuff is going to come from the Central Office
to say, Okay, we looked at this particular inmate's history
or a PSI, and we feel that the identifier needs
to be placed on this inmate. So is Sam's identification
or a moniker put on an inmate? Executive staff can't
put that on there that's going to come from Central Office.
Question Okay, so although a lieutenant may have thought gets
cut off by the captain, they may have Yeah, they
may have thought and said yeah, do too. Yeah, the
situation of him being a multi billionaire or whatever, or
due to his issue of his proclivity to sexual deviances
and all of these things, he wouldn't be a candidate
to go to GP. But guess what that responsibility, that
identifi or that moniker should have been put on Epstein
before he even came to MCC. Question sure, so do
you know if this is something obviously it sounds like
it would have been out of your hands. Would that
be something that the warden would discuss with what the
regional director? Answer? That's right. The wharton would have had
that discussion between SIA, the regional staff, and also it
goes to the region the Central office staff over correctional programming.
Question okay, and you were never gets cut off involved
with any designations? Answer? I would never be in any
of those conversations. Question okay, fair enough, So who would
be the two? I guess the warden would be the
right person to go back to and just say, hey,
did this ever come up? In converse station. Answer right question, Okay.
It says at the direction of the Wharton, Redacted initiated
the process of compiling possible cell mates for Epstein, vetting
them and submitting candidates to the Wharton for his review.
Redacted and to staff fully screen potential cell mates and
reported their determinations up to the warden. Frin Reys was
selected and housed in a cell with Epstein. Answer that's right. Question,
And it says the assistant Wharton, but I'm assuming they
mean the associate Warden, warden and regional director were notified.
Answer okay, this is how that went down. Redacted sat
with me, not with the AW present, and we wanted
to We started talking about security protocol moving forward with Epstein.
That's with me and redacted. We had this discussion. Question Okay,
answer because, like I said earlier in my statement, even
though the AW would have been next in succession as
as far as my supervisor, however, I did have conversations
directly with the Wharton as far as security situations indiscernible
in the institution. So we sat there and he wanted
me to complete names and vet inmates that would be
possible good candidates. As a cellmate for Epstein moving forward.
So I brought a compiled I believe I had ten names,
and he and I went through those names. We brought
it down to three. Then those three names were adacted
because I sat there when he called the regional director
on the phone, and the regional director vetted those three
names question, sure, answer, And then I sat there and
I was privy to that conversation. I sat there and
he gave them and he faxed him the whole makeup
of all three of them, and the regional director said, no,
I want this guy question. So the regional director ultimately
made the decision answer yes, all right. So we're going
to wrap up right here, and in the next episode,
we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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