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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Core side Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to another exploration. I am genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled you are here today because we are tackling a

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<v Speaker 2>subject that sits right at the intersection of our wildest

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction dreams and well the hardest, coldest realities of physics.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking at a stack of research today that I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, it feels a bit like a roller coaster.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect description.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes you up to this highest peak of excitement

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<v Speaker 2>and then it just drops you into a free fall

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<v Speaker 2>of disappointment. But then, and this is the weird part,

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<v Speaker 2>it loops you around into something completely unexpected and frankly

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<v Speaker 2>much more profound.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is a journey of good news, bad news,

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<v Speaker 3>and then weird news. We're dealing with the topic that

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<v Speaker 3>everyone thinks they understand because of you know, Hollywood. Oh absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>but the actual physics behind it has just undergone a

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<v Speaker 3>massive shakeup. We're looking at a paper published just recently

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<v Speaker 3>in January twenty twenty six by Enrique gustain Yaga and

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<v Speaker 3>his colleagues, and it forces us to rethink the structure

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<v Speaker 3>of the universe itself.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about wormholes, wormholes, the cosmic shortcut, the

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<v Speaker 2>Einstein Rosenbridge. You know the image You fold a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of paper in half, plunch pencil through it, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>you can jump from Earth to the Andromeda Galaxy in

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<v Speaker 2>time for lunch. Right, It's the backbone of interstellar contact

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<v Speaker 2>star treks. I mean, basically, if you need to move

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<v Speaker 2>a plot faster than the speed of light, you use

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<v Speaker 2>a wormhole exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the ultimate narrative device. It solves the biggest problem

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<v Speaker 3>in space travel, which is that space is just, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>annoyingly impossibly big. Yes, we want a subway system for

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<v Speaker 3>the stars. We do.

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<v Speaker 2>But and here comes the record scratch moment. There. This

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<v Speaker 2>new research suggests that this subway system is permanently closed.

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<v Speaker 3>Or maybe that it was never a subway system to

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<v Speaker 3>begin with. Right, that's the hard truth we have to

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<v Speaker 3>lead with. According to this new analysis, in the general

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<v Speaker 3>classical and quantum gravity, the traversible wormhole the kind Matthew

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<v Speaker 3>McConaughey fly as a spaceship through it. It likely does not exist.

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<v Speaker 3>It can't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, when I first read the headline,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt a genuine pang of loss.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something so hopeful about the idea of a wormhole.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes the universe feel accessible. Losing that, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like we're being trapped in our own backyard.

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<v Speaker 3>I completely get that. It is a disappointment if you

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<v Speaker 3>look at the universe as a place to conquer or

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<v Speaker 3>travel through. But I want to pivot your perspective of

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<v Speaker 3>it because what Gustin Yaga is proposing is that while

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<v Speaker 3>we lose the shortcut, we gain an answer to a

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<v Speaker 3>much more bigger question, which is the origin of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>This research suggests that these structures aren't tunnels for spaceships.

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<v Speaker 3>They are mirrors for time, and these mirrors might be

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<v Speaker 3>the reason we're here at all. They might prove that

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<v Speaker 3>our Big Bang wasn't the beginning but a bounce.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, mirrors for time and bouncing universes. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to unpack. So our mission today is to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how we got from sci fi tunnel to this

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<v Speaker 2>new theory. We need to understand why the old wormhole

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<v Speaker 2>idea failed, what this mirror actually is, and why it

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<v Speaker 2>implies we might be living inside a black hole right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're going to see how this attempts to solve

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest headache in physics, the absolute war between gravity

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<v Speaker 3>and quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's rewind. Let's go back to the source. Most

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<v Speaker 2>people here Einstein Rosenbridge, and they assume Einstein sat down

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five trying to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 2>travel faster.

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<v Speaker 3>Than light, which is completely wrong. We have to contextualize

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<v Speaker 3>where Einstein was in nineteen thirty five. He wasn't thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about spaceship. He was thinking about particles. Specifically, he was frustrated,

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<v Speaker 3>frustrated with what with singularities in his theory of general relativity.

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<v Speaker 3>If you crunch matter down enough, you get a point

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<v Speaker 3>of infinite density singularity.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where the math breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>The math breaks, it turns into nonsense. Einstein hated that

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<v Speaker 3>he felt that nature shouldn't have divide by zero errors.

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<v Speaker 2>So a black hole is essentially a divide by zero

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<v Speaker 3>The universe in the math of relativity. Yes, at the

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<v Speaker 3>very center. At the same time, you had this emerging

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<v Speaker 3>field of quantum mechanics dealing with electrons and protons, treating

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<v Speaker 3>them as point particle infinite density dots, and Einstein and

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<v Speaker 3>his colleague Nathan Rosen wanted to get rid of these points.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted a geometry that was smooth everywhere, no sharp edges,

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<v Speaker 3>no infinities.

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<v Speaker 2>So they weren't building a tunnel. They were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>build a better electron exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the part history often forgets. They propose a

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<v Speaker 3>model where a particle isn't a solid dot, but a

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<v Speaker 3>tiny bridge connecting two sheets of space time.

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<v Speaker 2>Two sheets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, imagine two parallel pieces of paper. The particle in

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<v Speaker 3>their model was a little tube connecting a point on

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<v Speaker 3>To them, the Einstein rosenbrids was a model for an

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<v Speaker 3>elementary particle.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a way to have mass in charge

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<v Speaker 2>without having a singularity at the center.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, it smeared out the pointiness of the particle into

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<v Speaker 3>a smooth geometric structure that is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>So the original wormhole was microscopic.

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<v Speaker 3>It was intended to be. Yes, It was a mathematical hack,

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<v Speaker 3>a really clever one, to save physics from infinities. The

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<v Speaker 3>idea that you could scale it up and drive a

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<v Speaker 3>car through it. That didn't come until decades later.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did we get from math hack for an

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<v Speaker 2>electron to let's fly a ship through it?

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<v Speaker 3>That shift happens much later in the late nineteen eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>physicists like Kip Thorn.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy who consulted on Interstellar the very.

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<v Speaker 3>Same he and others started asking the what if questions.

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<v Speaker 3>They took the Einstein Rosen math and said, okay, forget particles,

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<v Speaker 3>so what if this structure was macroscopic? What if it

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<v Speaker 3>was huge? Could we send a signal through it? Could

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<v Speaker 3>we send a person?

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<v Speaker 2>And that is when the sci fi dream was.

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<v Speaker 3>Born, right, But almost immediately the math starts screaming no.

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<v Speaker 3>And this brings us to what we can call the

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<v Speaker 3>pinching problem. This is the part that kills the sci

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<v Speaker 3>fi dream. So we really need to understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, lay it on me. Why can't I fly my

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<v Speaker 2>spaceship through the bridge?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the bridge is dynamic. It's not a static hallway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like the Lincoln Tunnel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just a hole in space.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a structure made of space, time and space

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<v Speaker 3>time is governed by gravity, and gravity, you know, is

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<v Speaker 3>an attractive force. It wants to pull things together.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wants to close.

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<v Speaker 3>It wants to collapse, and inside this bridge, the gravitational

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<v Speaker 3>forces are immense. The math shows that it collapses basically instantaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>Define instantaneously, like I open the door and it shuts

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<v Speaker 2>in one second.

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<v Speaker 3>Faster, much much faster. It shuts faster than the speed

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<v Speaker 3>of light.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, hold on, I thought nothing move faster than light.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just say faster than light and get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it. That's like rule number one.

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<v Speaker 3>Good catch, And you're right. Nothing travels through space faster

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<v Speaker 3>than light. But space itself space can do whatever it wants.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah the loophole.

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<v Speaker 3>The loophole, Space can expand or contract at any speed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the fabric, not the things on the fabric. So

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<v Speaker 3>imagine you open this wormhole. You're standing at the entrance.

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<v Speaker 3>You see the light from the other side, let's say

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<v Speaker 3>the Andromeda galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see the pretty spiral galaxy on the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>You take one step forward. But the tunnel, the space

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<v Speaker 3>time of the bridge itself is collapsing so fast that

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<v Speaker 3>the ceiling and floor meet in the middle and pinch off. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and this happens before the light that was at the

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<v Speaker 3>threshold can even reach the middle of the tunnel, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't even get halfway through before it's gone.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't even get started. You literally get crushed into

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<v Speaker 3>a singularity before you can cross. The bridge disconnects itself

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<v Speaker 3>from the universe before it can be traversed.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a trap. It's not a bridge. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>cosmic mouse trap.

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<v Speaker 3>In its natural state. Yes, it's designed to fail unless

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<v Speaker 3>unless you prop it open.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is where the sci fi writers say activate

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<v Speaker 2>the shields or use the dark matter or some other technobabble.

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<v Speaker 3>They usually say exotic matter. And this is a real

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<v Speaker 3>term in physics, but it is often misused. To keep

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<v Speaker 3>that throat open against the clushing weight of gravity, you

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<v Speaker 3>need something that pushes back. You need anti gravity.

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<v Speaker 2>Anti gravity. I mean that sounds pretty exotic to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Effectively, Yeah, you need matter that has negative energy density.

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to stop you there. Negative energy. That

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a mood, not a physics TERMO. How energy

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<v Speaker 2>is its heat, it's light, it's motion. How can you

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<v Speaker 2>have less than zero energy?

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<v Speaker 3>It is a brain bender? I mean it's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the weirder concepts out there. Think of empty space as

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<v Speaker 3>having a baseline energy, the vacuum energy. We usually just

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<v Speaker 3>call that level zero, okay, the floor right. Positive energy

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<v Speaker 3>is anything above that floor, a planet, a star, a battery.

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<v Speaker 2>You.

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<v Speaker 3>Negative energy would be a region where the energy is

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<v Speaker 3>lower than the vacuum state. It's a dip in the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even possible or is this just a number

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<v Speaker 2>on a spreadsheet that makes an equation work.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have seen hints of it. We've created tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny amounts of it in labs using something called the

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<v Speaker 3>Casimir effect. Basically, you squeeze two metal plates so close

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<v Speaker 2>So you create a little patch of less than.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing, a little patch of less than nothing that creates

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<v Speaker 3>a tiny attractive force. But to hold a wormhole open,

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<v Speaker 3>the human sized one, you would need Jupiter sized amounts

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't have a Jupiter sized bucket of negative

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't found a single ounce of it in nature

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<v Speaker 3>on that scale. It is purely conjectural. It's a theoretical requirement,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no evidence that exists in the quantities needed.

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<v Speaker 2>So the final verdict is no scaffolding.

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<v Speaker 3>No scaffolding without the negative energy, the bridge snap shut instantly.

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<v Speaker 3>The subway is closed permanently.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the door is slam shut, the subway is

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<v Speaker 2>out of order. And usually this is where we would

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<v Speaker 2>pack up and go home. Stories over. But Gastanga and

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<v Speaker 2>his team looked at this broken bridge and said, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at this all wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the pivot. This is the brilliant part. They said,

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<v Speaker 3>if general relativity forbids travel, maybe the bridge isn't for travel.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's serving a different function in the universe. It's

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<v Speaker 2>And this brings us to the mirror concept.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they stopped looking at the bridge as a connection

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<v Speaker 2>A reflection, the reflection in time.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. And to get this we have to talk about symmetry.

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<v Speaker 3>Physics at its absolute core is just obsessed with symmetry assessed.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean? Time definitely has a direction. I

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<v Speaker 3>That is your macroscopic experience talking. And you're right. In

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The universe gets more disordered.

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<v Speaker 3>Over time, Exactly, things get messier. You break an egg,

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<v Speaker 3>But zoom in, weigh in. Look at a single atom

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<v Speaker 3>I recorded that on video and played it backward, would

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I guess not. It would just look like

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<v Speaker 3>Look the same exactly At the microscopic level. The fundamental

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<v Speaker 3>laws of physics are time symmetric. They work equally well

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<v Speaker 3>forward and backward. There is no arrow of time in

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<v Speaker 3>the fundamental equations themselves. The arrow only emerges when you

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I accept that for atoms, but how does that

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<v Speaker 2>apply to the wormhole, this giant structure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hold on, time flows backward. I hear those words,

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<v Speaker 2>but my brain rejects them. What does that actually mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Are people walking backward? Is the rain falling up into

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<v Speaker 3>It's not about movies playing in reverse. That's a common misconception.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more fundamental. Think of it as a balance sheet

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<v Speaker 3>for the universe. To make the math work, to keep

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<v Speaker 3>the energies balanced, and the quantum symmetry is intact, you

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<v Speaker 2>A yin and the yang, a yin and a yang.

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<v Speaker 3>The wormhole isn't a tunnel to a new location. It

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<v Speaker 3>is the hinge point. It's the joint. On one side

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<v Speaker 3>of the hymn, you have our universe where entropy increases

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<v Speaker 3>and what we call time moves forward. Okay, our side

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side of the hinge. Mathematically, there has

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<v Speaker 3>to be a complementary state, a state where from our perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>entropy is decreasing, where time flows in the reverse direction

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<v Speaker 3>relative to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a mirror universe in a temporal sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is the necessary other half of the equation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a place you can visit. It's the other

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't see it because we're stuck on our

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. We only see the forward half because we live

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<v Speaker 3>in a big, high entrpy world. But near a black hole,

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<v Speaker 3>near that extreme gravity, where the bridge exists, the structure

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<v Speaker 3>becomes relevant. The bridge is what stitches the two arrows

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<v Speaker 2>So the wormhole is the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is the scene between the forward time reality

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<v Speaker 3>and the backward time reality. Without both, the physics is incomplete.

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<v Speaker 2>That is deeply abstract. But I want to ground this

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<v Speaker 2>because the research says this actually solves a massive practical

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<v Speaker 2>problem in physics, the black hole information paradox.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this is the big one. This is the forty

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<v Speaker 3>year long war in theoretical physics. This is the issue

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<v Speaker 3>that kept Stephen Hawking up at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Set the scene for us. Why is this a paradox.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So in the nineteen seventies, Stephen Hawking did this

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<v Speaker 3>incredible calculation. He combined quantum mechanics in general relativity near

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<v Speaker 3>aren't perfectly black. They radiate Hawking radiation Hawking radiation. They

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<v Speaker 3>they're losing mass. Over trillions upon trillions of years, they

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<v Speaker 3>lose all their mass, and eventually they evaporate. They disappear

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<v Speaker 3>completely in a final poof of radiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the trash can of the universe eventually empties itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that a problem?

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<v Speaker 3>Because of what was inside the trash can. Let's say

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<v Speaker 3>I write a diary, all my deepest secrets, the complete

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<v Speaker 3>information about my life, and I throw it into a.

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<v Speaker 2>Black hole, very secure disposal.

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<v Speaker 3>The most secure. But according to a fundamental rule of

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<v Speaker 3>quantum mechanics, information is never lost. The universe is unitary.

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<v Speaker 3>Unitary it means that if you had a super supercomputer

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<v Speaker 3>and you could track every single photon and particle in

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<v Speaker 3>the universe, you should, in principle, be able to rewind

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<v Speaker 3>the clock and reconstruct my diary from the ashes, like putting.

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<v Speaker 2>A shredded document back together. If you have all the

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<v Speaker 2>pieces exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The information is scrambled, but it's not gone. But Hawking's

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<v Speaker 3>math showed that when the black hole evaporates, the radiation

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<v Speaker 3>that comes out is random. It's thermal gibberish. It contains

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<v Speaker 3>no information about my diary. The information is gone, erased,

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<v Speaker 3>deleted from the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And quantum mechanics says, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Quantum mechanics screams illegal move yeah, but relativity says, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>the black hole is gone. This is the paradox, one

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<v Speaker 3>of them, one of our two best theories of reality

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<v Speaker 3>has to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And physicists have been trying to fix this for decades

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<v Speaker 2>with all sorts.

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<v Speaker 3>Of complicated, bizarre ideas. But here's how the time mirror

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<v Speaker 3>fixes this. It's just so elegant. It redefines the event horizon.

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<v Speaker 3>We usually think of the event horizon as the point

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<v Speaker 3>of no return, a cliff edge. You fall off, you

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<v Speaker 3>get crushed, your information is lost in the hole forever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But if the bridge at the center is a time mirror,

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<v Speaker 3>the event horizon isn't a cliff It is the entryway

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<v Speaker 3>to the bridge. The information your diary crosses the horizon,

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<v Speaker 3>but instead of being destroyed in a singularity, it passes

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<v Speaker 3>through to the mirror side, where time runs backward.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so the information doesn't vanish, It just exits stage

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<v Speaker 2>left into the past.

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<v Speaker 3>It continues to exist and evolve, but in the reverse

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<v Speaker 3>timeframe it flows into the other side of the symmetry.

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<v Speaker 3>This means the information is conserved. It's still in the

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<v Speaker 3>total universe, the bi universe system, you could say.

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<v Speaker 2>So quantum mechanics is happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Quant mechanics is happy, but it has left our observable

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<v Speaker 3>region of forward flowing time. So general relativity is also happy.

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<v Speaker 3>The paradox just dissolves.

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<v Speaker 2>That is incredibly elegant. Feels like a magic trick. Is

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<v Speaker 2>the rabbit in the hat nos in the other hat?

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<v Speaker 2>You just need to know there was a second hat.

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<v Speaker 3>That is often how physics advances. You realize you were

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<v Speaker 3>only looking at half the system. The solution was there

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<v Speaker 3>all along, hidden in the symmetry of the equations.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we fixed black holes. That's a Nobel prize

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<v Speaker 2>right there. But the source material goes way bigger. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes this mirror idea and applies it to the whole enchilada,

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<v Speaker 2>the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where we move from interesting physics to existential crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a ready bring on the crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>If the universe loves symmetry, and if black holes act

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<v Speaker 3>as these time bridges, then what does that say about

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<v Speaker 3>the moment everything began? The ultimate singularity?

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<v Speaker 2>The standard story is fourteen billion years ago, there was

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<v Speaker 2>at zero. Everything explodes out of that singularity.

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<v Speaker 3>Right another singularity, another divide by zero error that physicists

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<v Speaker 3>have never been comfortable with. But this theory suggests what

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<v Speaker 3>if the Bang wasn't the beginning? What if it was

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<v Speaker 3>a bounce. Imagine a universe before ours apparent universe. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it expands for a while, but eventually gravity wins. That

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<v Speaker 3>universe stops expanding and starts collapsing. It crunches down all

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<v Speaker 3>the matter, all the stars, everything squeezes into a tiny

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<v Speaker 3>hot day.

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<v Speaker 2>The big crunch, And normally that is where we think

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<v Speaker 2>it all ends, a final singularity.

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<v Speaker 3>And if this bridge mechanism is real, it doesn't end.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't hid an infinity. It hits that maximum density

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<v Speaker 3>crosses the symmetry point that the mirror and reverses, that

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<v Speaker 3>collapse turns into an expansion. Time reflects, the implosion becomes

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<v Speaker 2>And that explosion is our Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, we are the exhale of a previous universe's inhale.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a beautiful image. It makes the universe feel

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<v Speaker 3>It removes the need for a creation moment out of nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>which has always been a philosophical sticking point. It implies

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<v Speaker 3>the next.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's just a specific detail in the report that

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<v Speaker 2>made my hair stand up. It says, and I'm quoting,

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<v Speaker 2>our universe might be the interior of a black hole

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<v Speaker 2>formed in another parent cosmos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is the nesting doll theory of the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain that how can we be inside a black hole?

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<v Speaker 2>I look up the night sky and I the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see a ceiling.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the geometry from both sides. From the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>In the parent universe, a giant star collapses, It forms

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<v Speaker 3>But what does that matter see from the inside. As

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<v Speaker 3>it crosses the bridge, the math says, it experiences a

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<v Speaker 3>moment of infinite density that immediately blossoms into a rapidly

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<v Speaker 3>expanding space that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds exactly like our expanding universe viewed from the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>It is mathematically identical. The interior of a black hole

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<v Speaker 3>in one universe can be the big bang of a

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<v Speaker 3>new universe, the event horizon of that parent black hole.

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<v Speaker 3>From our perspective, that's the boundary of our observable universe,

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<v Speaker 3>the cosmic horizon beyond which we can't see.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are living in a bubble, a bubble blown

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<v Speaker 2>by a collapsing star in a bigger reality that we

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<v Speaker 2>can never access.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the staggering implication.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which begs the question if we came from a

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<v Speaker 2>parent universe, did anything survive the trip? Is there any

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<v Speaker 2>luggage from the old world?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the billion dollars question. If the bounce is messy,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's not a perfect, clean reset, then some things

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<v Speaker 2>To survive, like what, for instance.

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<v Speaker 3>Well Source Material speculates about primordial black holes. These wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be black holes formed from stars in our universe. These

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<v Speaker 3>would be small, super dense black holes formed in the

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<v Speaker 2>They rode the bounce.

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<v Speaker 3>They rode the bounce, And here is where it connects

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<v Speaker 3>to another one of the biggest mysteries in all of science.

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<v Speaker 2>Dark matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Dark matter. We have this stuff. We know it's there

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<v Speaker 3>because of its gravity. It makes up eighty five percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the matter in the universe. We can't see it,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We have been hunting for a new kind of dark

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<v Speaker 2>matter particle for forty years and we've found zilch, nothing exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The experiments keep coming up empty. So some physicists are

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<v Speaker 3>starting to ask, what if we're looking for the wrong thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What if dark matter isn't a new particle at all?

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<v Speaker 3>What if it's just a swarm of these ancient prime

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<v Speaker 3>mordial black holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so the dark matter holding our galaxy together right now,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be the ghosts of the previous universe.

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<v Speaker 3>It fits the profile perfectly. They would be invisible because

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<v Speaker 3>they're black holes. They would have gravity, a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and they would be everywhere scattered by the Big Bang.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a stunning thought that the gravity keeping you

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<v Speaker 3>in your chair might be generated in part by relics

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<v Speaker 3>from before the Big Bang even happened.

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<v Speaker 2>That is I don't even have a word for that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to play the skeptic here. This sounds amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds poetic, mirrors, balances, ghosts from another universe. But

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<v Speaker 2>is it just math on a whiteboard? Is there any

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<v Speaker 2>actual proof? Can we test this?

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<v Speaker 3>I am so glad you asked that, because a theory

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<v Speaker 3>without evidence is just fantasy. And this paper, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the kicker. It claims to have a smoking.

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<v Speaker 2>Gun, and it's in the cosmic microwave background.

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<v Speaker 3>The cosmic microwave background, the CMB. This is the afterglow

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<v Speaker 3>of the Big Bang. It's the oldest light in the universe,

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<v Speaker 3>a baby picture of the cosmos when it was just

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and eighty thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>And usually we are told it is incredibly uniform. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the same temperature everywhere, with tiny, tiny fluctuations.

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<v Speaker 3>Roughly yes, to the naked eye, a map of the

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<v Speaker 3>CMB looks like TV static, random noise. But for about

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years now, cosmologists have been staring at this static

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<v Speaker 3>and noticing something weird, something that shouldn't be there and

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<v Speaker 3>anomally a very specific one. We call it the parity asymmetry.

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<v Speaker 2>Break that down. What is parody asymmetry?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, imagine you're looking at that map of TV static

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<v Speaker 3>the CMB. You expect it to be totally random, But

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<v Speaker 3>if you look closely at the patterns of hot and

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<v Speaker 3>cold spots, you realize the patterns on the left side

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<v Speaker 3>of the sky are slightly different than the patterns on

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<v Speaker 3>the right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lopsided.

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<v Speaker 3>It's lopsided. It's as if the universe has a preferred direction.

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<v Speaker 3>One of its mirror images is slightly different from the other.

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<v Speaker 2>And the standard Big Bang theory says that shouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>The standard model of cosmology is built on the idea

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<v Speaker 3>that the universe is isotropic, the same in all directions.

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<v Speaker 3>It says, this slopsidedness has to be a fluke, a

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<v Speaker 3>statistical one in a million accident, like flipping a coin

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<v Speaker 3>a thousand times and getting six hundred heads. It's possible,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's really really suspicious, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a fluke. Is never a satisfying answer in

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<v Speaker 2>science exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Physicists hate relying on luck. But here is the massive

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<v Speaker 3>victory for the mirror theory. If you plug in the

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<v Speaker 3>math of the time mirror, if you include the influence

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<v Speaker 3>of that backward time universe on our own during the

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<v Speaker 3>Big Bang, the lopsidedness isn't a fluke, It is a prediction.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, really, the theory actually predicts the static should be lopsided.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the interaction between our universe and the mirror state

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<v Speaker 3>during the bounce naturally creates exactly this kind of asymmetry.

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<v Speaker 3>It breaks the perfect mirror symmetry in a very specific, predictable.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, so that weird blemish on the baby picture of

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<v Speaker 2>the universe. That isn't a mistake in the photo. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a fingerprint.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the fingerprint of the reflection. It is evidence

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<v Speaker 3>that the other half of the system, the mirror universe,

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<v Speaker 3>exists and had an influence on us. It takes a

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<v Speaker 3>bug in the old theory and turns it into a

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<v Speaker 3>core feature of the new one.

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<v Speaker 2>That gives me goosebumps because it anchors all this wild

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<v Speaker 2>speculation living in black holes time flowing backward. It anchors

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<v Speaker 2>it to something we can actually point to, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>go bad and measure.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what makes this paper so exciting. It is

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<v Speaker 3>not just philosophy. It's testable physics, and the first test

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<v Speaker 3>seems to be a pass.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's wrap this up. We started this investigation feeling

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<v Speaker 2>kind of bad about the death of the wormhole. We

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<v Speaker 2>lost our warp drive. We are stuck taking the slow

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<v Speaker 2>boat to Alpha Centauri.

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<v Speaker 3>We are, and I don't want to minimize that. For

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<v Speaker 3>space travel enthusiasts, it is a blow, no question.

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<v Speaker 2>But look at what we gained in exchange. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible trade.

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<v Speaker 3>We traded a transportation tunnel for a mirror into the

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<v Speaker 3>fundamental nature of time. We traded a simple shortcut for

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<v Speaker 3>an eternal cycle of birth and rebirth.

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<v Speaker 2>We gained a view of a universe that doesn't just

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<v Speaker 2>start an end, but bounces. A universe where time is

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<v Speaker 2>a two way street at the deepest level, even if

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<v Speaker 2>we can only down one side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>And it connects everything. It suggests the laws governing a

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<v Speaker 3>single particle are the same ones that govern the entire cosmos.

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<v Speaker 3>It suggests that Einstein's relativity and quantum mechanics aren't enemies.

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<v Speaker 3>They are two sides of that mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one final thought I want to throw at you,

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<v Speaker 2>a provocative thought to send our listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Home with Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>If we are possibly living inside the interior of a

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<v Speaker 2>black hole from a parent universe, and our universe is full.

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<v Speaker 3>Of black holes, I see where you're going with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that mean every black hole in our sky contains

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<v Speaker 2>a baby universe inside it?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the logical conclusion of the theory is are.

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<v Speaker 2>We living in a nesting doll of realities? Is universes

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<v Speaker 2>all the way down?

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<v Speaker 3>It is entirely possible. Every time a massive star collapses

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<v Speaker 3>in our galaxy, it might be the big bang for

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<v Speaker 3>a new reality that will never know we exist, and we,

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<v Speaker 3>in turn might just be the offspring of a single

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<v Speaker 3>collapsing object in a universe we can never see.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes the night sky look a lot different. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are just dark spots up there. There might be seeds.

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<v Speaker 3>They might be seeds. I like that a cosmic garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, on that mind bending note, we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>close this investigation. Thank you for going on this journey

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<v Speaker 2>with us through the wormhole, into the mirror and out

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<v Speaker 2>the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a pleasure, a real trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Go outside tonight, look up, think about the bounce. We

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<v Speaker 2>will catch you next time.
