WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.639 s e O and JP Sorrow. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.679 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:22.320 I never seen anything and it's the laps fan man 5 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:24.960 like the one in the ring. Forget about Sado. 6 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.160 He the real king of swing. 7 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:26.960 When the bell. 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.000 Goes in the kick like me throwing in the corner, 9 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.159 but gets rash like stick even Jerry King gets take 10 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.719 off the crowd nodded in his head like its Steve 11 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:36.399 low Brown. 12 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:38.000 Would you get low down? 13 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:39.079 We go even high up? 14 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.439 Flipp you on your head, but you know cool driver, 15 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.960 you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more 16 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.840 shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth 17 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:48.200 than the. 18 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.280 Con of sniper. Unless you with a coconut. 19 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:53.479 Roddy Pipper Jack a JP he like j. 20 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:56.520 H D drop the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob 21 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.520 means the best podcast Frost start the close cloud. 22 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.399 If you all be as a flassic and pose boss, 23 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.159 you get your finest text seed already I'll do what 24 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:08.719 I can. You ready for music television one last time 25 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.640 for the World Wrestling Federation. Do we have to at 26 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.319 least until Sunday Night Heat came to the MTV of 27 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.599 those years later. Unbelievable. We spent so much time over 28 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.920 ten years of laps talking about how the MTV rock 29 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.640 and wrestling connection, the war to settle the score, mister 30 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:25.040 t Cindi Lauper, you know the whole story. I know 31 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.560 the whole story. Oh ww from the back of Hulk. 32 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.840 Hogan became a pop culture sensation hit with the irony crowd, 33 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.000 a cable television hit and something that was very much 34 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.840 part of the eighties on Wei that washed over MTV. 35 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.040 And this is the last stand. This is the nineteen 36 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.359 eighty six WWF Slammy Awards. I almost thought you were 37 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.840 gonna say iron chicic oh instead of irony. You thought 38 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.159 he was gonna say iron cheek. Yeah, I did. He's 39 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.879 all over the thing. The fd IS. As we marched 40 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.319 through the Colosseum collection, we came upon, as you know, 41 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.799 the best of the Wwfonium seven, and in taking a 42 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:04.920 look at it, we were like, wait a minute, the 43 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.159 Slammy Awards are on this tape, or at least highlights 44 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.919 of the very first Slammy Awards. We had to do it. 45 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:13.360 I agree. 46 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.919 I mean, there's no there's no question about that. It 47 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.000 makes me nervous, but yeah, it has to be done. 48 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.879 Land of a thousand casts. And what did you think 49 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:25.599 had you seen this before? I take it I have 50 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:31.639 never seen the this like the original Slammy Awards. 51 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.159 No, I. 52 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:37.960 Mean, I'll tell you what I really. 53 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:41.319 Like. 54 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:47.560 This to me was perfect evidence of the eight Like 55 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.400 basically that the eighties, the eighties was built on cocaine. Yeah, 56 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.919 that's just the way the eighties were. Like anything in 57 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.199 the nineteen eighties, the decade of the nineteen eighties was 58 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:01.479 built on cocaine. 59 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:03.360 And this is a prime example. Where do you see 60 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.599 cocaine in the Slammy words? 61 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.479 I just see everything, just the fucking craziness, the wacky, 62 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:12.000 the the insanity of the whole thing, of the whole idea. 63 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.240 Like some maybe it's not even cocaine. Someone's on drugs 64 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:19.240 coming up with this whole fucking idea. Well, Vin sick 65 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.360 Man is on drugs coming up with this idea. 66 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.080 I mean, I know the whole thing was firmly tongue 67 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:24.639 in cheek, but I didn't know it's because they were 68 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:29.759 wiping the residue. I think that's the case. 69 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:31.120 It is. 70 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:36.120 It's just like like from you know, just the whole 71 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.360 I mean, yeah, it's just I don't it's beyond me. 72 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.800 It's beyond me like that you kind of take these 73 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:52.400 really these are not steps that go in any logical direction, 74 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.439 Like even things that have come into the mainstream and 75 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:02.199 become like pop culture phenomenon. This, like the directions the 76 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:06.719 WWWE was going is just it's beyond Yeah. 77 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:09.520 You cannot forget the critical context of how much every 78 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.360 other wrestling outfit that was still operating in the country 79 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.520 and indeed the world, was still trying to portray the 80 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.639 whole thing as a shoot when they started doing this stuff. 81 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:19.399 But it's even beyond that. 82 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.600 It's the idea that that they were like, well, you 83 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.639 know what, Hey, you know, we got we'll do an album, right, 84 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.879 we got we got MTV, We'll do an album. Hey, 85 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.000 we did an album, Let's do an award show about 86 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:37.360 the fucking album. The minds like like, like, the steps 87 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.360 are just bizarre, absolutely bizarre. 88 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:43.800 He became acquainted as I did with the Slammies in 89 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.480 like the nineties, in the two thousands. Yes, you thought 90 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.720 it was like an award show for best of the 91 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:49.959 year in wrestling. 92 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:52.120 Right, I had no idea that it was that it 93 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.839 was that the original was the the initial idea was 94 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.800 music based because I I think of the Slammies as 95 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:03.040 you know, the leader of the new generation, right whatever, 96 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.920 you know, those are the Slammies to me, and Hart 97 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.519 parading around is right, two times Slammy Award winning Owen 98 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:14.639 Hart just yeah, like they really did not I had 99 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.399 no idea that, you know, because funny, I always thought 100 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:22.160 Slammy was a play off of Emmy or Academy Award. 101 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:26.120 I really didn't guess that it was Grammy. But it's 102 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.360 funny because that makes the most sense. 103 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:29.279 That's such a good point, Like, you know it actually, 104 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.800 you know, it rhymes more with Grammy than it does 105 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.560 with any of the other ones. Right, Yeah, it's almost like, well, 106 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.639 they came up with their own Academy Awards for best Performance, right, 107 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.720 but then they just, you know, because Graham rhymes with 108 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.639 slam they just called it Slammys even though it's not music. 109 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.720 But it is music. And not only is it music, boss, 110 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.959 this isn't just a music award show. This is an 111 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.480 award show about the best of one particular album. This 112 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:54.519 is an award show contained to only one record. I 113 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.199 really wish that they hadn't that that that the last 114 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.800 award was Album of the Year, Right, That's a good idea, 115 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.720 would have been really fucking funny. I would I would 116 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.079 have been okay with that. If you're not familiar. They 117 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.639 just took the whole WWF troop, He'll face didn't matter, 118 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.000 you know, full cartoon versions of themselves and just had 119 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.680 them do a series of songs. There's a series of 120 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.319 tracks on the wrestling album, you know, just like these 121 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.879 personality sketches and Nikolai Volkoff ranting and raving and Iron 122 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.560 Chic and He'll Billy Jim doing the country boy routine 123 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.199 Real American, which, as we talked about and we'll talk about, 124 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.839 was originally intended for the US Express Peretundo and Wildem 125 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.480 not Hulk Hogan. Hogan's on there, or at least his 126 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.360 his song is. He's not on the eighty six Slammy Awards, 127 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.040 which is very interesting. Yeah, but if Piper is, and 128 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.759 you know, we kind of it again. This is another 129 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.439 one of those examples where I'm I'm really blown away 130 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:49.759 by the lack of Hulk Hogan on a main you know, 131 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.879 with with with like to me, there's no reason why 132 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.800 Hulk Hogan wouldn't be on this show. This should have 133 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:59.759 been all Hogan conspicuous by his absence, as they would say, brother, 134 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:04.120 you know what else is mind blowing conspicuous? Dude. This 135 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.319 came out on March first, nineteen eighty six, and MTV. 136 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.959 Yeah later that night, Saturday Night's main event on NBC 137 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:13.040 Get the fuck out of This was a one two 138 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.560 punch for WWA fans. Wow, that was the Hogan Morocco 139 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.639 snmy where he gets ambushed by Well, that's why he 140 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.959 wasn't on the show. I guess that must have been 141 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.079 part of the calculate why. He probably was like, well, 142 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.079 you know you can't pay on the show, pal, Well what, brother? 143 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:26.360 Why not? 144 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:28.879 Well you're in a Saturay Knight's main event. But that 145 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:29.560 was pre taped. 146 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:34.000 But your point is taking but we pretaped it, Dude, Darry, 147 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.600 they don't know that, right do you know that? Maybe 148 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:38.360 you don't even know that? 149 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.000 Uh do we? 150 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:41.199 What? 151 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.040 Brother? What do you mean? Do we have to have 152 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:44.600 a conversation? 153 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:44.920 Dude? 154 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:45.000 Like? 155 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:46.120 What what are you coming at me like that? 156 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:46.279 For? 157 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:47.160 Brother? 158 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.439 I was there, I had the match with Morocco. Dude, 159 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:51.680 are you trying to hold me up before the second WrestleMania. 160 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.920 Brother, did you Hogan? Did you did you have a 161 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.040 match with the Don Morocco War? Was your match happening 162 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.600 later night? I mean nobody's seen a match with you 163 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:04.680 in Morocco that people will watch it tonight. Where are you, 164 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.920 Terry Brother? Want in Tampa? 165 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.720 Dude? Event is on Tampa. I appreciate what you're saying, brother, 166 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.160 but I'm looking at this lineup, dude. Junk Yard Dog 167 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.240 was on Saturday Night's main event. He was on the Slammies. 168 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.240 Brother Valentine like, why does what are you doing? The dude? 169 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.519 How does he transport across space and time? Brother? Brother? 170 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.560 Are you gonna Are you going to ask me to 171 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.039 lose the title to Bundy? Brother? Are you saying I 172 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:40.200 lay down for Oakland? Dude? This tooty fruity motherfucker, Brother, 173 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.960 You tooty fruit in my ass? Right, Terry, That's not 174 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:44.399 my business. You're tooting your own horn? 175 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:44.679 Dude? 176 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:50.039 What exactly serious? This is the Saturday's main event where 177 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.279 it gets ambushed and hospitalized by Bundy to set up 178 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.039 the rest of the look at that. And they also 179 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.919 do the world premiere, or at least the network television 180 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.519 premiere of the Real American Music Video with hul Cogan 181 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:01.320 strumming the bass. 182 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:01.960 Wow. 183 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.279 With Mount Rushmore and the Twin Towers. They do that 184 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.279 on this show, I know you would. According to my 185 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.960 notes we'll get to they actually had Vince McMahon do 186 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:15.159 a guest VJ spot on MTV earlier that night, and 187 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:17.679 oh my God, introduced the world premiere of the Real 188 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.480 American Music Video, which is so bizarre because it's talked about. 189 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.039 When it was included on the wrestling album, it was 190 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:24.960 not hul Cogan song. But apparently by the time we 191 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.480 get to March nineteen eighty six, the decision had been 192 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.799 made that was to do we know? When? Did we 193 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.440 have we deciphered the first time he came out to 194 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.159 Real American No, first time he came out to it, 195 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.720 I do not know. I'm sure that's discoverable, though we know, 196 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.559 of course the first time he wore the winged eagle 197 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:47.039 belt and things like that. Let's see first time Hulk 198 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:53.399 Hogan came out to Real American. Brother to answer the question, dude, 199 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.720 I see December thirtieth eighty five. That rings a bell? Wow? Okay. 200 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.600 The album came out in October eighty five and uh. 201 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:03.519 By December thirty, they made the call because there are 202 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.240 you know, clips of the US Express coming out at 203 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.519 like TV tapings in Pennsylvania to the music, we've played 204 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.080 it before over the years, So they did have a 205 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.039 very short period of time and they used the the 206 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:16.399 whole Kegan song that's on the record, tongue sa tongue, 207 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:20.840 pung satung tongue. Right, you know what I mean? Can 208 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.639 it in? Yeah? I actually I like that one quite 209 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:26.559 a bit. I enjoyed that. 210 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:28.159 There it is. 211 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.159 Radio it is, let's fucking get it. 212 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:08.240 That's absolutely everybody like that. 213 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:09.120 Yeah. 214 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:15.759 Almost, come on, Jesse, Oh I got through it. 215 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.440 Yeah, well you may not get through the next cut 216 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:19.919 with considering whom is. 217 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:20.240 Going to. 218 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.240 There's a Vince Words salad at the end. Huh, oh 219 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.559 my god, want to take Vince even on the wrestling album. See, 220 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:31.200 that's how the wrestling album played. They played the song 221 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.879 and then there'd be these like little skits with Gene, 222 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.919 Vince and Jesse in between. That's so annoying. Whul Cogan's 223 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:42.279 theme literally bringing Jesse to vomit and that particular clip. 224 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.000 Oh good, Yeah, that's was That was the idea that 225 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:47.759 was gonna be kind of like you know, the Rocky 226 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.799 theme knockoff the I have the Tiger knockoff that they 227 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:52.399 were gonna go with for Hogan and they did for 228 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.039 a short period of time. That was also the theme 229 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.840 song to The Hulk Cogan's Rock and Wrestling Saturday Morning 230 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.320 CBS cartoon. Okay did use it that as well. I 231 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.480 dig that. But as we talked about last week when 232 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.559 we read from the WWF magazine and their coverage of 233 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.240 the first ever Slammys in nineteen eighty six, it was 234 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.799 rock and roll at its finest. It was free, it 235 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.840 was exciting, it was tough, and in the end it 236 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.759 was fresh. Brother, I mean, what the fuck that means? 237 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.919 And we'll both know as long as it's fresh, that's 238 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:25.120 what matters. One thing you can also say about TLF. Yes, free, exciting, tough, 239 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.960 and in the end fresh. Maybe I should Maybe I 240 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.799 should say it like Jim Rome would say it fresh. 241 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.919 So really excited to get into this. It was not 242 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.360 an expected rock we were going to turn over, but 243 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.080 after we did that tape last time and got a 244 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.960 little flavor of it, had to. I don't know, We're 245 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:47.639 never gonna get another perfect reason to look at this show. 246 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:51.120 Yeah, agreed, like the I mean, that's it makes it 247 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:53.399 made absolute sense, honestly. 248 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.320 And continues the theme of really stewing in nineteen eighty five, 249 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.200 eighty six juices so far in twenty twenty five, as 250 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:02.600 we looked at the first Saturday Night's main event, and 251 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.360 we've spent a lot of time around this exact period 252 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.080 on the continuum, on the Coliseum collection as well. So yep, 253 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.120 it's it's in keeping. It's thematic. 254 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:10.279 Now. 255 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.159 Of course they would come back and do another Slam 256 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.159 of the Awards in nineteen eighty seven. That one not 257 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:18.000 on MTV. That one distributed is basically a syndicated television 258 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.519 special that would come on at any random time in 259 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:23.159 any random market and any random affiliate that they could find. 260 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.759 Clearly MTV not interested in a repeat engagement. Yeah, I 261 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.240 think we're good. Thanks, though they were good with WWF 262 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.399 after this. This was the end. They never that's that's wild. 263 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.000 He's in the rock and wrestling area, never didy. Was 264 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:37.960 it just bad business? Were they done? 265 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:38.480 Or was it? 266 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:38.919 You know? 267 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.960 What was the reasoning? Yeah, well, we'll get to it. 268 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.639 We've talked about it before, but essentially it came down 269 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:47.919 to all we have is Shawn a sales account in 270 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.440 the book Sex Lies and Headlocks for essentially, Vince is like, 271 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.200 well make me pal, I made you. Maybe I should 272 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.399 buy MTV instead of you buying Oh yeah, of course 273 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.519 remember that whole thing. Yep. So according to one person 274 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:00.519 who talked to Shanna Sale who is at TV, that 275 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:02.840 that's how it came down. Couldn't find ratings for the show, 276 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:04.879 which I think, say something. But it's funny because that 277 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.600 night they did a great ten point zero on NBC 278 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:09.919 for Saturday Nights main event, and that was the only 279 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.320 rating anybody would care to look up or write about 280 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:14.679 as far as wrestling in this particular. No, I'm wondering 281 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.200 what you know? I mean, I don't know what what 282 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:19.960 was What was MTV doing in terms of ratings at 283 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.279 the do you know, like at the time, Mike was 284 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:27.720 what's a what's a cable channel like MTV pulling in? Yeah, 285 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.320 it's a good question. It's the share. It's definitely different 286 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.240 because it's cable compared to the ten point Oh I 287 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.720 just hit you with and uh for Saturday Night's main event. 288 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.679 Let's see the top you rated United States television programs 289 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.399 of nineteen eighty six. This is going to be so 290 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:46.679 dominated by network. It's not what I mean, I mean 291 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.960 cable cable, right, These things are way too difficult to google. 292 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:56.840 I don't understand why it's so hard, but because you know, 293 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.080 these lays, as we've been talking about in recent weeks, 294 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:05.120 this has been kind of a this was kind of 295 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.559 a thing, you know, covering the ratings. You know, you 296 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:08.799 cared it was. 297 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.039 It was a big mean Let listen then, like we 298 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:12.840 talked about, it was top ten. You'd see the top 299 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:14.799 ten in newspapers in the TV section. 300 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.320 All right, So this is from the New York Times 301 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.919 June twelfth, nineteen eighty six, headline, MTV makes changes to 302 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:23.039 stop ratings slump. 303 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:24.000 Wow. 304 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.879 So this lammies didn't help at all. Wow. So the 305 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.200 report reads, the change follows reports of sagging Nielsen ratings 306 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.279 from MTV. The most recent average twenty four hour rating 307 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.840 the channel released for the fourth quarter of nineteen eighty 308 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.360 five was point six. Okay, that is a point six 309 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:45.799 point ten, yes, representing holy shit. Point six represents, according 310 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.840 to the article, six tenths of a percent of the 311 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:49.360 homes equipped to receive. 312 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.200 MTV, which I believe, I mean, I don't know what 313 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.399 eighty six was but at least in nineteen ninety in 314 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.600 regards to twin peaks, it's like one point is like 315 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:05.039 nine and twenty five thousand televisions, Yeah or whatever, Yeah, 316 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:06.240 here are the household whatever. 317 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.440 If you do quick math, it's point it's six tenths 318 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.080 of twenty eight point two million. That was the number 319 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.600 of homes that in nineteen eighty six were equipped to 320 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.159 receive MTV. And the way cable ratings work is supposed 321 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.919 to broadcast, you do a percentage of people who can 322 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:24.519 get the station, not a percentage of people who have televisions. 323 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.679 So that ten for Saturday Night's main event being on 324 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.120 network television NBC, is a percentage of people who have TVs, 325 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.759 not a percentage of people who have cable. So six 326 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:39.320 tenths of twenty eight point two million is get it here? 327 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.080 Twenty I mean that seems like a big number to me. 328 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:50.080 Six tenths of twenty eight Okay, let's see, uh, sixteen 329 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:54.159 sixteen million people and maybe not right to me? Six 330 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:59.279 point six representing six tenths of a percent of the 331 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.679 homes equipped to receive empty six percent, that's what I said, Yeah, 332 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:03.240 what do you think? 333 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:03.559 No? 334 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:05.799 Not six tens of twenty eight two point two million, 335 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.720 the point six like not one percent point six of 336 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:13.599 a percent, it would be it would be so hold 337 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.720 on the math majors out there were I know, right, 338 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:24.000 not my specialty. So then mine neither equals time. So 339 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.400 oh shit. So one hundred and sixty eight thousand people. 340 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:38.079 There we go. Now that is a twenty four hour average. 341 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:42.200 Oh my god, across the quarter the last quarter of 342 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:48.000 nineteen eighty five. Okay, Oh I love it. I fucking 343 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.359 love it. That's that's what I like to hear. Jesus, 344 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.240 Oh my god, that's reality. Hey, you're right, you know, 345 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.240 one hundred six one thousand two in our homes. Yeah, 346 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:00.880 that's just like so low. That's it's like it's like 347 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.279 nobody compared to like it's like it's like one state 348 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:08.119 cable stations now do like you know, seven eight, not 349 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.079 all of them, but MTV is thought of as this 350 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:12.000 huge deal, you. 351 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:12.519 Know, right. 352 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.359 I mean I guess, I mean, I guess when you 353 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.079 consider eighty six, I mean, what was the cable situation, Like, 354 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.559 I mean, I'm sure it was not obviously not nearly 355 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.319 as prominent as it would be in like the mid nineties. 356 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.720 And stuff. But still, but if you told me thirty 357 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.000 million people have MTV and you asked me what the 358 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:33.200 average was in eighty five, yeah, I wouldn't guess. I'd 359 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.079 go a million. Probably everyone fucking watching TBS. I don't know. 360 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:40.519 Just because you have it doesn't mean you're watching it. 361 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.240 I guess. I don't know. I mean everyone still watched 362 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.039 the network even if they had cable, first prime time stuff. 363 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.160 But yeah, that's just a flavor. Yeah, we don't spend 364 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.559 enough time thinking about that, like we think about WWF 365 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.839 maybe cresting in terms of its popularity peak and MTV 366 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:57.599 losing interest. Maybe it was MTV that was losing momentum exactly. 367 00:18:58.039 --> 00:18:59.960 They were the ones really riding high in eighty four. 368 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.599 Or I want to buy it, Oh my god, I 369 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:06.839 want to buy MTV. I believe that I own MTV'SOK, 370 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.519 some deep value here. Pell looks like you're your value 371 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.960 has come in quite a bit. It's like you're less 372 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.200 valuable than the WWE. We got to resurface this because 373 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.240 we played it last time and it got short shrift 374 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:19.880 because we had an audio issue, and we want to 375 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:21.799 let you know we've figured out finally what it is. 376 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:25.720 Did you know that some equipment lets you think you're 377 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.799 muted when you're actually not. Isn't that a useful feature 378 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.599 to have? Brother? Wouldn't you include that? What do you mean? 379 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.240 What do you mean? I'm not what exactly? By the way, 380 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.559 not good news for hul Cogin, not good news at all. 381 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.079 His fucking why are tapping apparatus? Listen? 382 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.799 There are people I know that there are a bunch 383 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.000 of there are a bunch of sound folk out there, 384 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:47.839 So I'm very curious. There's got to be a reason 385 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.160 for it. But like so, so why would I why 386 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:57.160 would there be a a setting in a recording device 387 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.119 where you where you were based. It ignores all of 388 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.880 your settings, ignores the the levels that you set, ignores 389 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.160 mute and all this kind of stuff, like everything. What's 390 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.359 the point of that? What does that do for anybody? 391 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.200 So what it is is you have a mixer board, 392 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.559 and you have a mute button on the mixer board, 393 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.319 and you think that when you mute your track that 394 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.279 what happens in the room, such as opening a bag 395 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:26.480 of chips or whatever, or playing with an action figure 396 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.960 will not be picked up because your mic isn't hot, right, 397 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.799 But there's actually a feature where when you export the audio, 398 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.240 that stuff is still in there, even if your levels 399 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.960 were not moving while you were recording right right, or 400 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.680 even if they were even if they were moving, even 401 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:44.279 if they're going all over the place, even if I'm 402 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.480 like lowering my audio like that was one of the 403 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.839 things I was testing it out, and I was like, 404 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:50.039 I didn't really know this feature, and I'm I lowered. 405 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:52.240 Not only did I not use the mute because that 406 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.640 baffled me to begin with, but then I'm lowering the 407 00:20:54.720 --> 00:21:00.279 audio and I'm like, how my levels at zero? How 408 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.039 is it recording me right? Ignores it? And I don't understand. 409 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:06.119 I don't understand what the purpose would be of having 410 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.759 a feature like that. I read some offhanded thing that 411 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.400 gave me the impression it had something to do with musicians, 412 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:13.440 like that's a useful function for musicians. I don't know. 413 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:16.920 If I'm trying to mute myself from being recorded, how 414 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:20.799 is that helpful? So stupid? I don't even want to 415 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.640 get into it. But the reason it's coming up is 416 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:25.559 because when we played this incredible money clip during the 417 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.960 Best of WW at Volume seven, there was that background interference. 418 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.640 But it belongs on this show. Anyway, we came into 419 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:34.400 that Colisseum home video really having no idea that it 420 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:36.319 was going to be such a fucking appetizer for the 421 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.799 full slamming, not at all entre So here it is 422 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.480 mean gene Oakerland on the streets of Baltimore, Maryland, where 423 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:48.200 the nineteen eighty six Slammies were shot, doing just doing 424 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.640 God's work. Okay, this is mean gen Oakland walking the 425 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.240 streets of Baltimore before the Slammies go off inside the 426 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:59.400 civic arena, interviewing workaday baltimoreans. If that's even what you 427 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.279 say about their level of excitement of what's going to 428 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:04.920 be happening that evening. 429 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:06.720 Who's gonna win the Slammies tonight? 430 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.039 Who's wrestling with you? 431 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:09.680 Are you? 432 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.160 Are you wrestling to you? 433 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.759 Are you going to be busy later on? We could 434 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:14.880 wrest all night. Listen. 435 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:16.839 I watch you every Saturday. 436 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:18.799 You're wonderful. We're not watch wrestling. 437 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.519 We watch you well. Thank you. I might mention that 438 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:23.839 to somebody back in the office. Thank you have a 439 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.359 nice weekend. Excuse me, ladies, I wonder if I could 440 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.240 prevail upon you for just a comment or two. Come on, 441 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.079 and if you would Slammys are taking place in Baltimore tonight. 442 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.359 They're not in Los Angeles, they're not in New York, 443 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:35.759 they're not in London. They're in Baltimore. Does that excite 444 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:40.319 you at all? Well, I'm not from Baltimore. Oh can 445 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.079 I ask where you're from? Delaware? Or from Delaware? What 446 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.839 part of Delaware? Wilmington, Wilmington, what part of Wilmington. Well 447 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:51.799 it's you probably west west from West Wilmington. I've never 448 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.599 heard of it. Thank you well, strange running into you, 449 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:56.880 my dear, So good to see you again. You are 450 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.319 the kids? Oh, they're fine, terriffic. Say, the slam are 451 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.160 taking place here in Baltimore tonight. They're not gonna be 452 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.480 in Kansas City. They're not gonna be in my second 453 00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:07.839 favorite town of Cleveland. They're gonna be in Baltimore. Who 454 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:09.680 do you think is gonna win for the Best Artist 455 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.880 Autum Video Land of a Thousand Dances, The. 456 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.519 Land of a Thousand Dances. Who's up for the award? 457 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:18.799 Virtually every wrestler known the man? 458 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:19.319 Oh? 459 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:20.640 I think what does it? 460 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:22.839 Little Richard do your song? 461 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:25.759 Yes, as a matter of fact, little Richard does my song? 462 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.559 Why don't do his? I think you're definitely gonna win. 463 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.880 What's your name? Sweet Michelle? Michelle, you are lovely. You're 464 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.160 also cold and will warm it up tonight. You know 465 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:34.720 where I'm at? 466 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:35.200 Right? 467 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:41.240 Pike's Phil Hilton? The second sir, just the second sir, sir? 468 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.319 Excuse me, Joy, Can I have just a moment of 469 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:45.720 your time? 470 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.319 It's not going to prevail upon you momentarily. 471 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:50.759 Come on, Yeah, this is what the World Wrestling Federation pal. 472 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.599 Who's gonna win the Slammies tonight? 473 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:53.640 Huh? 474 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:58.759 James Brown's you know what's over here tonight? 475 00:23:58.799 --> 00:23:59.079 Don't you? 476 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.480 Slammy Awards? How are you? Goodness? See what's your. 477 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.240 Off of all? I'll see your tv U Twrest Kogan 478 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.240 and hat Hogan? 479 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:12.960 Uh, mis tee, let's see writing writing paper. 480 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.599 And everybody everybody said, well, wait a minute, and I 481 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.640 can't let you run away with this. You know, I'm 482 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.200 just excited to be in Baltimore. I understand. Baltimore is 483 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:20.680 the crab capital of the world. 484 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.400 Yes, h I hear that. 485 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:24.559 Who's gonna win the slam East tonight? Who's your favorite? 486 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:25.279 My favorite is? 487 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:25.519 Uh? 488 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.079 For really, wait a minute, who's your favorite? My favorite 489 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:30.480 is Hawt Hogan? Wait a minute. 490 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:30.920 Hell, it's me. 491 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:36.960 Uh he's saying real good to thank you, thank you. 492 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.480 That's all I wanted to hear the best cut of 493 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:42.400 the wrestling album. I'm sure you voted, and I don't 494 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:44.400 know if we could just get maybe just a little, uh, 495 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.599 a little enlightenment here as to who you might have 496 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:48.039 voted for. 497 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:49.519 Well, I'll be honest with you. 498 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:52.200 I have to be a professional here and and I 499 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:57.000 really it's very important that I totally this is not 500 00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:57.799 a big mystery. 501 00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:00.279 I am a professional. I'm employed by this. 502 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:02.440 Wait a minute, pal, you're talking to me. You're not 503 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.480 talking to some ja bronkly. Now, you can tell me 504 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:05.119 who you you. 505 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:05.519 Can tell me. 506 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:07.359 Let's get out of the street here before we get hit. 507 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:09.519 You can tell me who you voted for. I won't 508 00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:11.519 say a word. Trust me, it'll be a k fave 509 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.200 deal all the way. 510 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.119 I think that my friends would be very upset with me. 511 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:18.279 You might be upset with me. 512 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.000 I will see you tonight at the Slammys in Baltimore, 513 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:24.559 not Boston. That's right right here. Are you from Wilmington, Delaware? 514 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.880 No, sir, I'm from right here in Baltimore. 515 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.799 To Riney, Baltimore, Number one, where are your books from 516 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:35.160 Bottimore Randallstown And it's not as a suburb of Baltimore. Yes, 517 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.200 all right, Now the best cut on the wrestling album? 518 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:40.680 Who do you pick to be the winner? 519 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.000 You Tod Fruity. 520 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.319 Finally, two and a half hours the interviews, and I 521 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.079 finally find the people I've been looking for. Thank you, 522 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:56.279 good luck. We'll see you tonight, glads. Myself along with 523 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.559 the other great ones in the World Wrestling Federation prepare 524 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.920 for the Slammy tonight here in Baltimore at the Civic Center, 525 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.640 sold off crowd. By the way, I've been looking over 526 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.839 some of the landmarks of this great city on Chesapeake Bay. 527 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.079 This tablet was erected by the Maryland State Dental Association, 528 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.480 and I couldn't be so excited about any one thing 529 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.599 in all my life. But the real action tonight is 530 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.599 going to be taking place here at the Civic Center, 531 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:23.880 this gorgeous facility, in. 532 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.000 This gesture, so beautiful building you can see. 533 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.839 This is modern architecture put together by some of the 534 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.440 great architectural minds in the great state of Maryland. And 535 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.240 it's here tonight where you're going to be seeing slammies. 536 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:42.640 All right, visiting with more people regarding the upcoming Slammies competition. Hey, 537 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.640 how are you my friends? The Slammies are going to 538 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:48.599 be in Baltimore tonight at this great facility, the Civic Center. 539 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:50.079 Are you going to be there? 540 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:51.000 Am I going to be there? 541 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.839 We're not only going to be there, but we're going 542 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.839 to do it. Well wait a minute, guess that's right. 543 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:57.759 You like wrestling? 544 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.319 How about this? We're going to be here tonight. 545 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:00.960 We're gonna do it. 546 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.359 Are you guys ready for that? Do you think what 547 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:12.079 I want to do it? He's my guy. Come on, guys, 548 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:12.880 I gotta get started. 549 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:14.960 Thank you? 550 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:15.960 All right? 551 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:19.759 Right here? 552 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.440 Break her up, frank her up. 553 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:25.920 It's the Lapsed Wrestling Podcast. 554 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:50.240 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnacio 555 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:50.880 M J. 556 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:51.640 Pisarro. 557 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:56.599 I mean, I can't, Jean do it. We're gonna do 558 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:01.160 it like you gotta funk? What is it about? 559 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:01.359 Like? 560 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:04.240 It's not like that anymore. When you put a camera 561 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.400 on somebody on the street, they're like camera ready, all 562 00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.400 of them, you know, your camera ready out of the womb. 563 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.039 In America these days now. 564 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.160 Now we've had you know, we've had you know, practice 565 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.200 with the Instagram we're shooting, we're showing ourselves that we're 566 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.839 prepared to put on the best versions of ourselves. 567 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.960 We're not where we are trained. We've self trained to 568 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.799 be camera ready. These most of these people are having 569 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:29.839 seizures into the camera lens or running away. In some cases, yes, 570 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.440 they were about being seized upon. But just such a man, 571 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.160 does that put you there? Does that put you in 572 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:35.880 the time and place? 573 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:36.119 Just that? 574 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.400 I think I think we're gonna do it tonight. Boss 575 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:48.119 slammis this one hour show that like someone God bless them, 576 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.640 uploaded to YouTube. This is one of those tough ones 577 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:54.200 because all those MTV shows, they're nowhere to be found 578 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.400 on official w W channels. As we know, the Water Settle, 579 00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.680 the Score, the Brawl to Settle at all, all that 580 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.200 ship nowhere to be found. 581 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.480 Right right, it's gone. I mean it's it's yeah, because 582 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.920 the MTV shit the right to have them. But that's 583 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:07.720 a whole different story. 584 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.640 Yes, yeah, they've been in circulation for years, so they're 585 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.759 not particularly hard to find. But it was fascinating because 586 00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:16.640 I think when the WW network came out, they did 587 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.640 put the Water to Settle the Score up and then 588 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.440 took it down. Yeah, one of them was up for 589 00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.880 like two maybe like a week before it was taken 590 00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.960 down and amazing, and this definitely fits that category. I mean, 591 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.319 I've never seen anything ww's ever put out with the 592 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.039 complete slammis that Colosseum video is the closest will get 593 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:35.839 And yeah, not like that's one of the colisseums they 594 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:38.440 ever uploaded to the network or to Peacock. No, they never, 595 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:41.480 they never. It's kind of funny. They never uploaded any 596 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:43.039 of the best of to the. 597 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.440 Home video. Yeah section, Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I 598 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:50.880 wonder why they never did that, Like never, They did 599 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.640 pretty much every other tape to a certain point up 600 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:01.119 until like nineteen ninety two or three, but after that 601 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.519 they didn't. They didn't put up any like no, no 602 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.519 best us like that. All was hidden, and I do 603 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:09.160 wonder why. 604 00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.880 Yeah, Jesse went to her commentary tracks having won the lawsuit, 605 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.680 had to be you know, removed because he was due royalties. 606 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.039 So maybe maybe the best us are the ones that 607 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.599 have so many different matches that I mean, but we 608 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.599 see him, we see him on tons of them, you know, 609 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:30.680 but him on any that are on Peacock. I'm pretty sure. Okay, 610 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.839 that was always the demarcation line to me, I mean 611 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.599 back in the day, but not now. Yeah, yeah, it's 612 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.359 it's wild. So this is something you know, they've never 613 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.759 uploaded or made available, but someone has it, has it 614 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.960 taped off television and put it up there. Other wonderful 615 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:53.119 sources may even have original source copies. I'm also sorry, 616 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.039 sorry to rep but but I'm it's just off the 617 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:55.559 top of my head. 618 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:55.799 Yeah. 619 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:01.640 I'm also surprised too that that w w WE allowed 620 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.000 MTV to have some kind of ownership of those yea 621 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.920 of those shows that just so seems to be either 622 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:17.160 a major glitch you know, you know, or or like 623 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.079 just I can't imagine Vin mick Man ever doing that. Oh, 624 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.319 he's still learning lessons, you know, he's he's not the 625 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.759 sophisticated IP operator that he would come to be later. 626 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.759 You know, he's just eating eating out of Dick Eversoll's 627 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.880 hand and trying to learn his way. 628 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:34.920 And I guess that's true because I guess, you know, 629 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.440 a lot of those shows would have happened, Yes, this 630 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.000 would have been you know, it would have happened before 631 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.759 prior to yeph the So maybe that's for. 632 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.799 A contract that was drawn up when he needed MTV 633 00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.319 more than MTV needed him, and my god, like whatever, 634 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.839 whatever you need, pal, you know, just let's get on MTV. 635 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.319 That sounds fucking great. You know, we're doing it in 636 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.240 the garden anyway, and you know Cindy's lapper is going 637 00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.799 to be involved anyone, So the let's just put on MTV. 638 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.000 That's gravy. So there probably wasn't a lot of thought 639 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:09.400 put into securing rights to broadcast rights later on with 640 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:15.079 whatever napkin the MTV contract was written on, because there 641 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.200 was apparently not much in the way of like contingency planning, 642 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.160 like what if what if? So they just went from 643 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.480 show to show and all of a sudden, when there 644 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.720 was just the slightest hint of friction, they were gone, 645 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.119 and of course more than happy to be nested on 646 00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.119 NBC by that point, so it wasn't like they were 647 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.200 without a home to transition to. But yeah, the Slammies, 648 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.839 and the only reason the Slammy has happened is we've 649 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:41.839 just telegraphed is because the wrestling album existed, and any 650 00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.240 history lesson on the very first Slammy Awards in the 651 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.079 creation of the slammis has to have a lot to 652 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.160 do with the Wrestling Album Again came out in the 653 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.039 fall of nineteen eighty five. You've all probably seen it 654 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.480 by now, if not heard it. It's the one with 655 00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.799 you know, the full litany, the full mosaic of WWF 656 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.079 aracter is standing in a recording studio and then it's 657 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.400 got Jesse, Vince and Gene. As we learned from our 658 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.599 pal Brian Penry, the original WF creative director, a very 659 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:12.880 laborious process to superimpose the image of the announcers over 660 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.640 the photograph of all the the assembled wrestlers on that 661 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.039 album cover. But yeah, it came out on vinyl and 662 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.920 it was It's what they call and what they called 663 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.359 and still call, a novelty record. It's sure, it's not 664 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.079 created by musicians professional musicians. It's not intended to really 665 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.039 be consumed and perceived by music fans. It's just a 666 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.440 it's a brand extension for people who were already buying 667 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.079 wrestling shit. 668 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.680 Right, It's like, uh, I mean, it's like, haven't needed 669 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.759 a champion novelty record here? 670 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.400 It is the wrestling album. It's not meant for. 671 00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.640 When Albert Kim's thousand pounds up Beat comes runnering at you, 672 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.480 it can mean only one thing. He wrestling album with 673 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.640 Paul Cogan's Theme a Reel and Rogan Elily Jims Don't go. 674 00:33:59.359 --> 00:33:59.880 Less with a. 675 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.480 Most performances by Roddie Piper and Nickolai Holko, Captain Lou 676 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:13.440 Kimmy Hart Mean Jean have a junk yard Dog. We 677 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.599 have the wrestling album on Epic record and teams, I'll 678 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:16.960 paout your record store. 679 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.320 Can you imagine no, that's just coming on during like 680 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:29.519 Matt Locke, you know that would be pretty tremendous time. Seriously, 681 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.760 with lunchboxes, the cartoon, the l j n's, it's all 682 00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.519 starting to happen all at once. That the home videos crazy, 683 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.519 all of these people that want to license the ww 684 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.360 It had its moment. It's like when the Ninja Turtles 685 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.960 were red hot. You know, everyone's tripping over themselves to 686 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.000 slap that that I p on any number of you know, 687 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:55.960 foreign sourced plastic to try to sell as many you know, 688 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.320 pieces of ship with a yeah, a whole coching uh 689 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.159 likeness on it as they possibly can. And here is 690 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.320 their attempt at at music, and here's their attempt at 691 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.159 an award show. And it's all tongue in cheek. The 692 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.239 irony crowd. You know, it's not like they're of course, 693 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.559 of course taking themselves very seriously. Of course two traditional 694 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:16.960 wrestling fans total anathema, Like my god, there's heels and 695 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.400 faces on the same stage. Ever, either're leaning into how 696 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.599 the general public wants to laugh at wrestling anyway, Yes, yes, 697 00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.320 and they're trying to own that, which is like the 698 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.840 whole point of pride is pushing against that, resisting that 699 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.840 as a wrestler, and like taking it personally and attacking 700 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.239 people that call you a phony. Here's Vince, you know, 701 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.119 orchestrating a presentation that were he's come laugh at us, you. 702 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.119 Know, right, I know that's exactly it. Like it really 703 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:48.719 is like that kind of like almost almost desperate, you know, 704 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.400 Like to me, you know, you can either you can 705 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.039 certainly say that they're that they're able to make fun 706 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.119 of themselves, but at the same time, there's almost a. 707 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:00.920 Kind of. 708 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:09.039 Sadness to the fact that we're that willing to make 709 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.280 fun of ourselves just to have people watch us. 710 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:13.760 I now, you know what it's like. To me, it's 711 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.960 like the kid who's unpopular but who does a funny 712 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.800 party trick, so he gets invited to the party, and 713 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.480 he just comes to that party, man, and he'll do 714 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.119 that party trick as many times in succession as you 715 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:30.880 want for anybody that asks, because he's just blown away 716 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.360 that he has a chance to impress upon an upper cast, 717 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.679 you know, and just what else you want me to do? 718 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:39.000 You know? 719 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:42.960 But they had the cross currents. They had Mister T, 720 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:47.280 they had Cindy Lapper, they had celebrities that were you know, 721 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:49.679 Cindy Lapper won the Grant me and walked on stage 722 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.360 with Hulk Hogan behind her is her bodyguard. Like Hogan 723 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:55.599 hosted SNL, Mister T in the eighteen was the biggest 724 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.239 show on television. It's like, this is unbelievable that they 725 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.199 ended up in this position where this many people we're 726 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.599 willing to just have some fun and make some money 727 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.719 doing pro wrestling, and you know, TV, what do they do? 728 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.639 They just chase the stars around and try to create 729 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.519 stuff that they can pretend they architected and deserve credit 730 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.480 for and deserve to be paid millions of dollars for them. 731 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.400 Really they're just starfuckers, you know, just chasing the hottest 732 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.800 thing and building you know, phony architecture around them as 733 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:26.760 if they have any particular talent, and so WWF was 734 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.719 and it's involvement with celebrities was the perfect springboard to 735 00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.920 some of those eyeballs back then. So we get the 736 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:36.280 wrestling album, we get the Slammy Awards, and we get 737 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.760 this here treatment and one of it's kind I'm not 738 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:42.119 really sure. I don't know, have we done an episode 739 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.480 before that's like just about a TV special like this, 740 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.400 I'm not sure what if there's any corollaries. It kind 741 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:52.239 of feels like that episode of Baywatch that we did 742 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:56.800 for Flair almost. Yeah, I mean, the only other thing 743 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.639 could think of that would be I mean maybe like 744 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.800 I mean, that's still like a pay per view, like 745 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.119 a regular kind of odd ball television. I mean, I 746 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:10.320 guess Thunder and Paradise. Yeah, yeah, that's right. But still 747 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:12.440 that's I mean, this is that you know that that 748 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.719 even has that was also for that was a Hopper 749 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.280 thing too. Yes, we were put into that position, but 750 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.559 I think Brandon from a Jersey actually put that one 751 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.320 on the table. Yeah yeah, but one where it's like, 752 00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:27.960 here's something a wrestling company did with a totally different 753 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:31.639 audience than the wrestling fan in mind. That's right, that's 754 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.119 a rare breed in and of itself, and this, this 755 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.400 is definitely a step outside of our It's almost like 756 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.719 a sounds like the WBF special, you know, right, And 757 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.960 you know that was the other thing I was going 758 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.280 to say too, It's kind of like the WBF thing. 759 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.400 But you know, Jesus so bizarre. We're doing it. We're 760 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.159 ripping off the band aid and we're going to figure 761 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.920 out why. Well, we're going to try to figure out 762 00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:58.960 why the slammy's happened. I don't know if I don't 763 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.440 know if that's possible, but but of course so we can. 764 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:03.679 We got to remind you. We're obliged to remind you 765 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.960 lest you forget that the only reason something like this 766 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.480 is possible is because people on like your free loading 767 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.840 bitch ass, are willing to pay for it, and you 768 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:18.400 deserve there ever, they deserve a gratitude. It is patreon 769 00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.480 dot com slash the lapsed fan. That is where the 770 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:25.079 nucleus lies, that is where all of the the atoms collide, 771 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.360 and for your Patreon dollar, no shortage of material Heading 772 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.519 into WrestleMania season. We just finished the live call of 773 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.840 the twenty twenty five Elimination Chamber. We watch modern WWE 774 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:36.719 so you don't have to. And in this case post 775 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.239 I think they missed something. You know, I'll tell you 776 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.840 it is. I know people, I guess you know. It's funny. 777 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.320 I didn't even and this wasn't you know, usually I'm 778 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.320 all over the you know, I don't know what happened 779 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:57.480 Sunday that I was not really looking at Patreon or 780 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:01.119 any really of our of our social media stuff because 781 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.079 I always usually, you know, check in and see what's 782 00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:03.360 going on. 783 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.519 But I didn't. And people were amazed that. People were 784 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.880 skeptical that we'd be able to avoid it, but I 785 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.719 honestly didn't know shit. And people sleeping like people sleep 786 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.239 on how much your Twitter feed adjusts to the fact 787 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.199 that you were watching the show, and like you get 788 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.320 this impression that everybody's talking about it. It's like, if 789 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.000 if Twitter or whatever Facebook doesn't think you were watching 790 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.559 the show, they're not going to show you a million 791 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.239 videos about it, right exactly. 792 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.199 So it was, uh, yeah, it was a hell of 793 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.960 a fucking That was honestly one of the biggest surprises 794 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:43.239 that I've I think I've seen. Honestly, I said it, 795 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.079 I said it, and I still stand by it. Honestly, 796 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.239 I keep thinking about it. I think I think it 797 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:51.760 may be one of the most shocking he will turn 798 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.719 since Bashing the Beach ninety six, Honest to god. Well, 799 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.360 so you lean into what's Cody's going to do, what 800 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.079 Rock's going to do the whole time, it's the the 801 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.360 overwhelming thing is going to be what Sina ends up doing. Yeah, 802 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.320 you know, that's pretty You never really thought about that 803 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.159 because they were They really did a great job playing 804 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.079 up the whole. 805 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.159 You know, uh uh John Cena Memorial Tour. 806 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.800 Yes, you know, like really, let's just like, you know, 807 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.840 let's do kind of the best the best of John 808 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:22.960 Cena year and man did they fucking and. 809 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.440 How got how gotten to Dwayne is by the suggestion 810 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.280 that he's flying by the seat of his pants and 811 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:31.320 you know, just trying to manufacture stuff. It's going to 812 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.559 take a long time before they admit that this was 813 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.800 not a big master plan, that yeah, this is a 814 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.239 last minute pivot where yeah, they fucking made it up 815 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.159 the fucking night of I don't doubt. I don't doubt 816 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.599 that Rock has you know, been trying to convince Sena 817 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.519 for some time to go heal after it was such 818 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.159 a success for him the year before. I'm not saying 819 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.559 that you won't find it being suggested before it took place, 820 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:57.480 but come on now, but great, still great, still awesome. 821 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.079 We're still the beneficiaries. Can't wait to see how it 822 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.920 plays out. And that's worth a year's worth of Patreon 823 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.679 dollars alone just to hear our reaction, because indeed, as 824 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.320 the Boss said, we were able to somehow shelter ourselves 825 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.039 from spoilers despite it being on a delay for us. 826 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.559 And yeah, the Senior Hill turn and here we go, 827 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.400 the WrestleMania double live calls coming your way coming up 828 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.480 Easter weekend. This is the time to lean in Patreon 829 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.039 dot com slash the lapsed fan. Of course, Wrestle Mamia 830 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:27.000 oh yes, continues to roll out like clockwork every single 831 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:28.079 week as the boss Man. 832 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.039 But yeah, you know what, and this week started WrestleMania season. Wow, 833 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:39.519 honestly with Wrestle Wrestle Mamia, we did. People would have 834 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.639 just heard my mom and I watch you know, Ria 835 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.239 Ripley versus Becky Lynch at at last year WrestleMania forty. 836 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.920 Fascinating choice my mom. 837 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:49.360 You know. 838 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.440 Every now and again I realized I probably should have 839 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.719 my mom watch women wrestlers. And she had been asking 840 00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:00.599 about WrestleMania when we went to so Mania, and I 841 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.599 was like, oh, you know, I probably should throw that 842 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.360 out there, and you know, see what, you know, that 843 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:06.719 might be a good one for her to watch. 844 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:09.320 I can't wait to see a reaction to that one. 845 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.199 Yeah, you gotta listen to a reaction for that one. 846 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.199 I'm sure it's you know, she does end up saying 847 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.480 always usually I don't like the women fighting. I don't 848 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:16.840 think the women should fight each other. 849 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.840 That's great. So yeah, that's of course the mote tier. 850 00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:25.239 Only the tip top tier on Patreon has access to that. Uh, 851 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.400 you know, we don't let everyone in the living room 852 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.280 carpet with us, you know what I mean? No, No, 853 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.559 you got to past the piper for that. Listen, listen, 854 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.000 I keep that about as private as I used to correct. 855 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.679 All right, that's exactly right. So yeah, let no one know, 856 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.159 or only let's select few know, exactly. So yeah, join 857 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.880 the Boss Man and Mama Sorrow looking at matches from 858 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:45.360 the past. 859 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:45.679 Uh. 860 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.079 In a one of a kind ways, we somehow managed 861 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.119 to tap that voice that we all had growing up 862 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:54.639 of I'm gonna I'm gonna humor my son watching this, 863 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.559 but right, I'm gonna ask some questions that really blow 864 00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:58.440 the whole illusion up. 865 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.199 Yeah, and then and then then you fucking get lost, 866 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:02.920 and then they get lost into it, and then you 867 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:04.079 realize the whole thing. 868 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.639 That's why we watch wrestling exactly, because even the skeptics 869 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.920 in the room exactly end up going for the ride 870 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.519 in a subtle way, but in a real way nonetheless. 871 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.840 So yeah, wrestle mommy, available to you and under the cinemat. 872 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:22.119 I mean, this Twin Peaks thing, this fucking David Lynch thing, wow, wow, 873 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.679 I you know it. 874 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:26.119 I was. 875 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:27.800 I was. 876 00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.280 I'll be the first to admit when I decided to 877 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.440 do it, I was kind of like, all right, I mean, 878 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.800 it'll be fun to go through Twin Peaks. I'm not 879 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.400 sure what we're gonna get out of David Lynch in 880 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.880 terms of da da da, but he is the gift 881 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.320 that keeps on giving. Oh my god, all right, he is. 882 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:47.199 He He really was more fascinating than I ever thought 883 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.199 he was. And I thought he was fascinating, but he 884 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:55.199 really is one of the most really one of the 885 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.199 most genuine people I think we've ever dived in to 886 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.000 on cinemat Well, you know what he is. 887 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.880 The more I think about it, he's somebody who mastered 888 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.639 the form and function of a normal person. But this filmmaking, 889 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.880 there's this is not a normal person. No no, no, 890 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.800 no no no, like be that normal and be this 891 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.599 genius when the putting the cameras on. 892 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.679 He's somebody. He's the person who is able to really 893 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:30.360 like separate his his kind of like you know, human 894 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.320 being side and his artistic side and kind of in 895 00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.480 a weird way keep them separate. 896 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.760 But also they're able to interact, you know. 897 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.840 What I mean, Yes, because because he's not a wacky, 898 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.320 weird person when you talk to him, but he is 899 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.119 the darkest thoughts, yes, the darkest ideas and ideas that 900 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:56.960 are not that that don't follow human logic. I mean, 901 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.760 we watched this, you know, we watched that one clip 902 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:06.000 of of of Lost Highway, uh last time, and I 903 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:11.679 mean just how chilling and bizarre, and I mean that's 904 00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.000 postmodernism in a box. If you ask me right there, what. 905 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:15.559 Was the gentleman's name with the face? 906 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:16.079 Uh? 907 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.239 The the actor or the or the the actor is 908 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:24.159 Robert Blake? I mean a lot playing the fucking playing 909 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.039 the man of mystery who calls who's at your house? 910 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.039 Mystery man who's at your house? When you call your house, 911 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.800 even though he's standing right in front of your off 912 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.199 site smiling, and they both and then he laughs at 913 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.920 you on the phone and in front of you. I 914 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.719 mean that's yeah, It's almost like Lynch needs to have 915 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:43.920 that separation. 916 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:46.559 This is it. 917 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.760 Okay, here we go. You're at a party, you go 918 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.800 over to the bar, you get a drink, and you're 919 00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:01.280 just minding your own business and them here's where it 920 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:08.480 kicks in. Then a man walks in. This walks in 921 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.920 to the room where you are and you're just minding 922 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:19.239 your own business. And he comes in and he talks 923 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.679 to you, and then he says, I'm at your house. 924 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:25.480 Right now. 925 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:27.639 Wow. 926 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:33.320 And then he gives you the phone. You call home 927 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.599 and he answers the phone. The theory is right in 928 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.719 front of you, but he's in front of you. 929 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.039 What do you do? 930 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.960 I get a milkshake? Oh, I'm just gonna you know 931 00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.400 what it's all said and done as amazing as Twin 932 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.800 Peaks is. And the riot's taking us on. That's what 933 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.960 I'm gonna remember, is him spending no less than fifteen 934 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.480 minutes describing the three times in his life that he's 935 00:47:57.519 --> 00:47:58.639 had the perfect milkshake. 936 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.400 Yes, seriously, I mean that's that's why it was like, 937 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.880 I mean that again, the first thing I was looking, 938 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.719 I was just looking for for interviews, for tidbits of 939 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.199 information that first week, and there it is. 940 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:13.960 I mean, I'm sorry, and it was just the greatest thing. 941 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.800 If you're not listening or if you're not hip to 942 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:20.119 it what we're doing with Twin Peaks, your straight bitch, 943 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.559 that's the only conclusion you can reach because this is 944 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.400 this is the heart of what storytelling means. You know, 945 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.559 wrestler and wrestlers wrestling talks about storytelling. You know, Okay, 946 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:32.960 all right, you want to learn about that. And there 947 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:33.800 are wrestling connections. 948 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:33.960 You know. 949 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.719 We talked about the course Fandango Tyler Breeze segments they did, yep, 950 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.159 mimicking Twin Peaks on Rock. I mean in a weird way. 951 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.480 You know, that does qualify Twin Peaks the whole fucking thing. 952 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.199 So maybe someday we'll come back to it. Absolutely, but 953 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.000 this will be the end of the you know, our 954 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.239 next it will be our last portion of the David 955 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.280 Lynch tribute with the last two episodes of the season 956 00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.760 one of Twin Peaks, and you know, will wrap it up. 957 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.960 It's gonna leave You're not gonna be satisfied. I'll tell 958 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:03.119 you that. 959 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:04.519 It's a different kind of journey. 960 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.000 Yeah, it's it's uh, it's gonna wrap it up, and 961 00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:14.880 it's it and only the way you can, honestly, because 962 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.719 because we're the the it's gonna be kind of it's 963 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:24.039 it's gonna be interesting, how really the the the end 964 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.920 of of and it's fitting too, and I was hoping 965 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.199 it would kind of end up being like this and 966 00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.199 at the end of David Lynch's life kind of coincides 967 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.639 again with with Twin Peaks towards the very end. And 968 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:40.039 so it's a it's a nice uh, it's a nice 969 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.719 way to close out under the state that continues cooking 970 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.239 on a level few other podcasts operate at. You already 971 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.360 knew that, and it's available to ep and above. By 972 00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.400 the way, I gotta tell you something actually in regards 973 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.360 to in regard to how much the scene of thing 974 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:59.079 impacted me, I didn't even tell you this yet today 975 00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:05.199 this morning, all right, I was like, I actually was 976 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.519 like I need more yes, I need more, And I 977 00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.639 actually decided, well, the only thing I can really like, 978 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.280 it's not like fucking I can't throw on the Today 979 00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.199 Show and they're gonna be fucking talking about that. She 980 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.400 knows me talking about it and legitimate. So I said, 981 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.159 you know what, I'm gonna fucking throw on that press 982 00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:22.320 conference they always had. They always did the fucking post 983 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.519 and I'm fucking watching Triple H and he's just talking 984 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.800 about But I was like, I needed I needed extra, 985 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.800 I needed something else because because I because I can't 986 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:44.039 wait until Tuesday morning to see what John Cena is until, like, 987 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.960 you know, see what is on on YouTube that John Cena. 988 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.320 Said, and then you saw he just came out and 989 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:51.760 picked the mic up and dropped it and left. I 990 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.880 didn't even get that far, actually, honestly, I had to that. 991 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.239 I was watching Triple H talk about it and and whatever, 992 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.800 and it was like, I haven't had that need in 993 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.039 a long time, long time. So that's saying something absolutely. 994 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.840 Boss Index is humming. We'll see if the returns kicking, 995 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.760 but yeah, that's definitely a special moment that you want 996 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:15.880 to experience with us there. And I do wonder, you know, 997 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.440 as we've talked about how part of me hopes he 998 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.239 comes out with his nWo shirt, like, yeah, oh, he's 999 00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.079 got to change the gear up somehow, you would think, 1000 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:24.119 I really hope. 1001 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.039 So if they don't, If they don't, if they go 1002 00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:28.400 fucking to Tonk on this ship and don't change him 1003 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:29.639 at all, I'm gonna be pissed. 1004 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.960 Wow. Yeah, the games they get now, the games got 1005 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.119 to change it. They got to change it. Oh. We've talked, 1006 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.880 you know a lot about how the state of Sina's 1007 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.920 hair resembles the state of David Lynch's hair, Yes, in 1008 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.239 so many ways, and how poetic it really is, and true, 1009 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.679 I do wonder before we get back to the Slammys, 1010 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.360 how David Lynch would think about the John Cena Hill turn, 1011 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.119 how he would react to the turn of events we 1012 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.639 saw in Toronto this past weekend. 1013 00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.519 You know, I was sitting at my home, all right, 1014 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.280 I want you to so, I'm at my home. I'm 1015 00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:09.159 sitting in a brown leather chair, all right, brown leather chair. 1016 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.639 It's still I hate to say it, it smells a 1017 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.599 little bit like cigarettes. It's my smoking chair. I've used 1018 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:22.559 it for about fifteen years. I bought it fifteen years ago. 1019 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:27.880 At a used furniture shop down on Santa Monica Boulevard. 1020 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:33.000 I bought it on a Tuesday at about three two 1021 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:37.480 forty six pm, and I brought it home and I 1022 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.719 put it and it's been in the same spot. I've 1023 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:47.079 moved furniture in the room around the chair. The chair 1024 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.199 has been in the same spot. It is my TV chair. 1025 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.000 And I said, you know what, I'm going to put on? Wrestling. 1026 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:59.800 I don't watch wrestling. I don't watch wrestling. I don't 1027 00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:04.880 care for it, but I do find it to be fascinating. Yes, 1028 00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.400 I enjoy all art forms. So I picked up the remote. 1029 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:16.519 I held it in my left hand. With my right hand, 1030 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:22.599 I pressed power and I put on the television and 1031 00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:30.559 I said, okay, I've got to stream this. And I 1032 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:37.760 called my daughter. I said, Jennifer, how do I stream WrestleMania? 1033 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.000 And she said, Dad, I don't know. I said, okay, 1034 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.760 and I hung up. Then I called somebody else. I 1035 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:53.960 called Kyle McLachlan. I said, Kyle, how do I watch wrestling? 1036 00:53:55.159 --> 00:53:59.599 And he said, David, you gotta get Peacock. I said, Kyle, 1037 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.559 I don't like birds in the house. He said, no, 1038 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.719 you gotta buy the app. I said, okay, and he 1039 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.760 came over and he helped me buy the app Peacock 1040 00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.960 and I put on the wrestling and I watched this 1041 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:24.199 guy John SENA. Wow, I gotta tell you, John SENA, 1042 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:31.079 this guy wears wears gene shorts. And now I haven't 1043 00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:37.440 seen gene shorts in years. I don't even know how 1044 00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:39.000 you do gene shorts. 1045 00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:40.239 I said, there he is. 1046 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:46.199 He's there, and he's in the rings, and he wins. 1047 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:51.079 He wins in the giant dome cage that they have. 1048 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:59.119 I mean, wow, what a cage. You've never seen a 1049 00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:06.719 cage like this before. It's brilliant, it's beautiful, sleek and black. 1050 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:08.960 It's just amazing. 1051 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:15.360 It has it has these amazing compartments. And inside this 1052 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.320 is what makes it unbelievable. 1053 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:24.199 Inside the cage are tiny compartments, little apartments right for 1054 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.840 the wrestlers to stay in until they get called out, 1055 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.480 so they don't wrestle right away. They sit in their 1056 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:40.440 little compartment and they watch. You see, it's like a movie. 1057 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:42.480 You're what they're watching. 1058 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.480 It's as if they're unleashing Wolverine one at a time 1059 00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:48.119 before they participate. 1060 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:54.880 John Cena wins and it looks like a big celebration. 1061 00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:03.079 Everybody's happy. Outcomes Codin's Road, the son of somebody, I 1062 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:07.440 don't know who he's a son of, preferring to his dad. 1063 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.199 He was great about his dad. I'm sure that his 1064 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:14.719 dad was a great, great guy to have a son 1065 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:20.639 like this man. And he comes out and he gets 1066 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:25.440 in the ring. Two men in the ring, one in George, 1067 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:29.679 one in a beautiful suit, one wearing a suit, one 1068 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:37.000 wearing jean shorts, one one with bleach blonde hair, one 1069 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.039 with skin like Robert Blake in Lost. 1070 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.599 Highway, and the one with the Robert Blake skin is 1071 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:47.360 now going to match the other guy for his belt. 1072 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.000 He says he's going to he's going to match up 1073 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:53.719 with the champion. 1074 00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.280 And then the cage. The cage at this point is gone. 1075 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.840 It vanishes. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it 1076 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:11.440 that vanishes. I didn't see it go anywhere. And then 1077 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:19.840 down comes Dwayne Johnson, movie star. I don't know what 1078 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.320 he has to do with the wrestling people, but there. 1079 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:30.639 He is, to say nothing of Travis Scott. And then. 1080 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:38.559 Dwayne and John Cena they look at each other, and 1081 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:44.840 John Cena it's like it's like he was in a trance, 1082 00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:52.360 the most exciting trance I've ever seen. I've seen people 1083 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.880 in trances, but this was something beyond. 1084 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.039 He had the Frank Silva look in his eyes. He 1085 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:06.800 looked he looked like Frank Silva as Bob Scary and 1086 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:13.840 I said, wow wow. And then he kicked the champion 1087 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:18.559 in the nutsack. He fucked him up, and you could 1088 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:22.239 tell the people that was the last thing they expected. 1089 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.199 People didn't know it was going to happen. 1090 00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:31.599 This was the most exciting thing I've seen on television 1091 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.639 in twenty five years. 1092 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:45.480 I had eighteen cigarettes during the whole time. Who and 1093 00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.840 a piece of cherry you to find, no doubt. David 1094 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:57.360 Lynch takes in see the successor to his pompadour. Turning 1095 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.320 on Cody Rhoads available for your Patreon dollar. 1096 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:05.360 I turned to Kyle. I said, Kyle, that John Cena. 1097 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:10.840 He's got my hair. He's stealing my hair. Now he's 1098 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:13.280 got my attention. I've got more of it. I've got 1099 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:18.159 more of it. Right, have a great day, I said, 1100 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.960 you know, Kyle, thank you for getting me peacock. I 1101 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.199 hope you have a beautiful night. It's good to see you. 1102 00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:27.480 Please don't eat in my house. 1103 00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:30.519 Get a lapsed fan wrestling podcast. 1104 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:56.199 He's a fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Jo. 1105 00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.079 Yeah, I mean personally, to watch the evolution of the 1106 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.960 David Lynch imitation under the cinemat has been one of 1107 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:06.559 the great privileges of my life and I hope you're 1108 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.800 sharing with us in it. Over at patreon dot com 1109 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.800 slash the Lapsed Fan. Of course, if you're headed to Mania, 1110 01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:14.199 or if you're headed to any of the Road to 1111 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.360 WrestleMania events, you gotta wear lab Schwag Pro Wrestling T's 1112 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.960 dot com Slash the Lapsed Fan for the full suite 1113 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.599 of our off the top of our head T shirt creations. 1114 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.880 Yes, even when we do have a Twin Peaks line, yes, 1115 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.840 currently out there, so you can get your your Lapsed Peaks, 1116 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.960 your Lapsed Peaks, you can get your what we. 1117 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.159 Do what we do took off. What we do it 1118 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.400 took off. It's still the fucking greatest thing. Oh my god, 1119 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:53.360 What We dowd continues. That was last year and so 1120 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.440 much more. Of course, the Chopped tea store for your 1121 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.079 higher end apparel needs like like hoodies and pants and 1122 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.719 fanny packs and hats and wonderful things all there for 1123 01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:05.559 you in your consumption cameo. If you want to get 1124 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.639 in touch with any of the rogues gallery of lapsed characters, Yes, 1125 01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.119 and put them to use. Maybe there's a maybe there's 1126 01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:14.079 a work. Yes, maybe there's an Easter message or a 1127 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:16.840 Saint Patrick's Day message you'd like to have delivered by 1128 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.440 one of the lapsed characters or something like that. No 1129 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:26.440 shortage of ways to elevate your lapsed experience and contribute 1130 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.119 to the pot that makes this this all possible. Do 1131 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:31.960 you know there is a guy named Patrick Sower who 1132 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.719 once wrote the wrestling album An Oral History. Boss. Oh no, 1133 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.760 we are definitely the beneficiaries of such Oh my god, 1134 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.159 it begins and shout out to him. He published it 1135 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:50.280 just last year as a matter of fact. Why because 1136 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.400 apparently it landed with enough cultural boom that it warranted 1137 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:54.920 a look back. 1138 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:55.840 It is. 1139 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.800 It is a curious piece of pop culture. Ethemera like, 1140 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.559 even if you don't care about wrestling, if you see 1141 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:05.119 this thing, what's the story here? I'm sure I'm sure 1142 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.039 you do. On November thirtieth, nineteen eighty five, the piece 1143 01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:12.039 begins one of the most original, influential, and inconsequential albums 1144 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.719 and Rock and Roll History debuted at number one hundred 1145 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.400 and seventy four Oh my God on the Billboard Top 1146 01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.320 two hundred chart. The record would scratch, claw and eye 1147 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:24.840 gouge its way to number eighty four, where it remained 1148 01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.519 for two weeks in January nineteen eighty six before crashing 1149 01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.679 back down on the mat. Wow. But that is not 1150 01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:36.199 where the wrestling and vinyl connection began. The WWF was, 1151 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.360 for all intents and purposes late to this particular party 1152 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:42.760 we've talked about in forums like the Lapsed Funk how 1153 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.760 there was a pretty robust industry already in Japan. It's 1154 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:48.039 true Builton around having at least as far as we 1155 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.000 can see, the foreign American wrestlers do record albums such 1156 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.800 as Terry Funk, Hulk Hogan of course, echibanus Hogen Son. 1157 01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.480 Hogan Son is number one soon Panson, I mean, I 1158 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:05.239 mean he under that from paying off the Pacific that 1159 01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:06.960 ended up being the anthem of the whole damn thing 1160 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:11.679 for Hulkogen in Japan. Abdul the Butcher did a record 1161 01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.719 as well when he was a huge superstar in Japanese 1162 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.559 pro wrestling and all over endorsements and advertisements and television 1163 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.400 commercials and things like that. Here in the States, there 1164 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.039 were a couple of record companies that had given it 1165 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.039 a shot before the wrestling album was minted and came out, 1166 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:30.039 not the least of which was a label called Rhino Records, 1167 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.880 which made its bones doing reissues of Monkeys albums. The Monkeys, 1168 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.760 I think a run around. I didn't. I didn't know that. Actually, 1169 01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.039 the Monkeys had kind of a resurgence in the eighties. 1170 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:46.800 They they were like the rebroadcast the television show The Monkeys, 1171 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.000 which is basically the Beatles, Right, that's what we're supposed 1172 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.199 to be thinking they are like, right, So there's like 1173 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.480 a reissue of them that put this Rhino Records label 1174 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:58.840 on the public consciousness. We mentioned Novelty Records. Have you 1175 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:02.559 heard of Damien Demento. You've heard of Damian Demento. I 1176 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.880 know you've heard of him, But doctor Demento. Do you 1177 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.599 know what that is? Yes, you tell the people. I 1178 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.239 don't really know too much. I've heard him. I don't 1179 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.440 really know too much about him. I honestly, I i've 1180 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:15.920 heard him. I only know him because the Simpsons. Actually, 1181 01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.360 oh really, I knew he was a radio personality, but 1182 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:22.920 he's uh. He's mentioned on The Simpsons a couple of 1183 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.079 times that I remember he gave weird Al his break. 1184 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:29.119 He's a guy who was based Okay, yeah, all right. 1185 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.400 He was like the first DJ to put out albums 1186 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:35.280 that were like not music. They were just like like novelties, 1187 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.559 right like these like you know, like the Monster Mash 1188 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:40.199 kind of stuff. 1189 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:40.559 You know. 1190 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:43.079 Yeah, and uh yeah. He had a show called the 1191 01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.719 Doctor Demento Show in the seventies and it was a 1192 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.760 place you could listen to crazy ass songs. You know 1193 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:53.360 that he would that he would surface and give give 1194 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:56.079 credence to and in the wrestling album. As I'm reading about, 1195 01:04:56.119 --> 01:04:59.199 it kind of fit into that tradition of albums that 1196 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.599 were produced not for artistic merit, but just what if 1197 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:06.719 we did this? And before that, there is also a 1198 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:09.840 little cottage industry of doing this with celebrities who weren't 1199 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.440 necessarily who couldn't necessarily carry a tune. But you know, 1200 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:14.280 you put him in the you put him in there 1201 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.800 with contract musicians for an afternoon and they could just talk, 1202 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.559 you know, the Terry Funk. He's not singing on that thing. 1203 01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.519 He just rock and roll. He's just reading off a 1204 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.840 piece of paper. Yeah, and it'll it might sell. And 1205 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:33.920 early to this particular game was Jesse The Body of Ventura. Mmm, sure, 1206 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:36.559 one of many hours. Yeah, we've we've heard him and 1207 01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.480 he did a rock album as well. Did you did 1208 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.639 you pull this one out during I did for a 1209 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.079 made for TV biography? No, no, I pulled it out 1210 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:49.199 for I think it was Running Man, Running Man. We 1211 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:49.960 did Running Man. 1212 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:51.840 I think that's when I'm pretty sure it was the 1213 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:53.079 last Jesse movie that we did. 1214 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:55.079 And here we are in March eighty six. He's starting 1215 01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:58.760 to uh make Vince very uncomfortable with the predator opportunity. 1216 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.519 Mm hmm you know, oh yeah, for sure, that's starting 1217 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.599 to bubble up, just as the body becomes hey, I 1218 01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:07.719 got my union. Yeah, because this is a weeks out 1219 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:12.360 from the famed WrestleMania Too thing where all the scuttle 1220 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.280 butt was the guys were going to set out WrestleMania 1221 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.559 to get a union done, with Jesse running point and 1222 01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.840 a hulk stooged to the effort out to Vince, and 1223 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.639 Vince was able to neutralize it before it ever took shape. 1224 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.920 And so Jesse is starting to spread his wings already 1225 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.639 after becoming oh yes, a national household name as the 1226 01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.719 color commentator on Saturday Night's Main Event, which, as we 1227 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:34.880 covered a few weeks ago, started in May of nineteen 1228 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.320 eighty five. But he got a taste of and I'm 1229 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:41.199 sure had an ax to grind around WWF, basically copying 1230 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:43.360 you know. He had a version where he got all 1231 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.320 the money Jesse the Body of Ventura, the Body Rules. 1232 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.199 It was called Slash Showdown with Mister V. It came 1233 01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.840 out in nineteen eighty four and it had two tracks 1234 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:54.079 on it had the Body Rules and Showdown with Mister 1235 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:59.719 V and written and produced by Mark O'Ryan. Here is 1236 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:03.840 kind of a progenitor, a forerunner of what the wrestling 1237 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:06.760 album would become, with a key voice on the wrestling 1238 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:09.199 album himself, Jesse Ventura. He had it. Turns out he 1239 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.840 already had his reps in of course, a form of 1240 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:21.960 tracks like this one Body Rules Power. I got speech 1241 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:25.239 his body every. 1242 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.400 Ring, if. 1243 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:33.760 If if my RepA when I wrestled. I got the head, 1244 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:36.760 I got the boos, I got the. 1245 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:42.599 Raves to get you want trouble, you be sorry. 1246 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:45.599 We body. 1247 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:50.679 I got the buyer. I got the buyer. 1248 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.639 Suddenly doesn't seem like it came so far out of 1249 01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:58.000 left field. The wrestling album No not at All, the 1250 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:01.320 Body Rules, things like this had already been created. And 1251 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.079 in the same year that WWF got Wrestling Album on 1252 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:07.280 the shelves, the aforementioned Rhino Records came out with a 1253 01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:11.480 compilation called Wrestling Rocks. Really Yes, this is just a 1254 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.199 full track list of songs recorded by wrestlers independent of 1255 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:18.880 WWF's involvement, such as Pencil Net Geek by Fred Blassie, 1256 01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:22.159 which became which was already as calling card, and the 1257 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.039 issuance of this song on vinyl just further cemented that. 1258 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:27.560 It's where you might hear a re issuance of the 1259 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.800 NRBQ song Captain Lou Captain Lou Alban which I know 1260 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:34.399 makes you very happy. Yeah, yeah, I could do without 1261 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:36.319 that one forever. That's a lot on that. When we 1262 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.880 did the Colosseum home video on Captain Lou as part 1263 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.319 of the Coloseum collection, Captain Captain Pooh Captain Pooh Albana, 1264 01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.479 Fred Blassie, King of Men, Exotic Exotic Adrian Street does 1265 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:52.520 a track on the album called Imagine What I Could 1266 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.640 Do to You? Some of these pre existed How about 1267 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.000 Boogie woogie Man, Jimmy Valliant bringing you son of a 1268 01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:00.960 Gypsy Man? Boss, how about not not a fan? No, 1269 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:04.159 but here's the taste of what some of those tracks 1270 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.479 sounded like. Again, four runners to the wrestling album. Here's 1271 01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:08.239 Freddy Blassie. 1272 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:13.039 Yeah. 1273 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.199 When I was a kid, life was going swell until 1274 01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:21.479 something happened blew everything the hell. That night my daddy 1275 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:25.359 stumbled in all Dale and weak set a woman up 1276 01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:27.640 the block just gave birth to a geek. 1277 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.239 Mom said, sell it to the circus. 1278 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:33.199 What the heck? 1279 01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:36.640 Dad said, Nope, this one's a pencil nag. 1280 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.239 And if there's one thing lower than a sideshow freak, 1281 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:43.600 it's a gritty, scum sucking pencil nag. 1282 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:44.039 Geek. 1283 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:52.880 Why did that tickle you? The rhyming I don't know this. 1284 01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.520 The rhyming is is hysterically stupid. We go from kind 1285 01:09:57.560 --> 01:09:59.399 of joyous to do you want to hear Jerry Lawler 1286 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:00.119 try to say, m. 1287 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:15.600 No, you're looking for growing the right way. You're looking 1288 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:21.680 for trouble. You write nothing. I was wont to stand enough. 1289 01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:40.840 I'll you back. It was agreed, Well. 1290 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:46.239 Mess around with. 1291 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.079 Trouble by Jerry the King Lawler. Is that what it's 1292 01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:56.520 called yes you're looking as your teenagers daughter with me 1293 01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:02.199 with me? Yeah, right exactly. No no, no wrestling, no, no, 1294 01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:04.399 no no. We got echoes of this, didn't we During 1295 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.640 the attitude I well remember they would come out with 1296 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:12.880 these like bootleg wrestling albums, like these fake like knockoff 1297 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.439 versions of the WWF entrance themes and such. Yes, yes, 1298 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.520 this would follow wrestling around for years because it sold 1299 01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:23.439 copies in eighty four and eighty five apparently, So that's 1300 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.199 kind of the uh, that's kind of the conditions. I 1301 01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:29.640 find it kind of wild that there was these precursors 1302 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:34.000 to the wrestling album, Like WWF wasn't taking a leap 1303 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.079 of faith here and putting this album out. It was like, 1304 01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:37.960 there's already a precedent for this kind of thing. Yeah, 1305 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:39.960 I mean, I guess that is true, that it's kind 1306 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.880 of already out there and that, But that's more Vince 1307 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.439 than like creativity. You know. Vince is much more motivated 1308 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.760 by like, wait a minute, somebody else is making money 1309 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:50.920 in this business, Like I can do it four times better. 1310 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.840 We beat them, right, deacintly, we got to take care 1311 01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:59.439 of that shit. Not my idea, but I can I'm 1312 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:03.359 offended by somebody you know doing it instead of me. 1313 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.199 So let's get further oriented here. Let's turn to the 1314 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.680 York Daily Record. If we can and what this article 1315 01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:15.800 is going to do. We'll get a couple here. Let 1316 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.840 me try to get myself properly oriented. This is going 1317 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.479 to get us oriented with you know, how WWF is 1318 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:25.880 being covered at this point in time and some of 1319 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.359 the first mentions of what would become the Wrestling Album. 1320 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.159 We want to know what was going on in music 1321 01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.560 at the time as well as what was going on 1322 01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:40.000 at WWF at the time. Sure, so we're going to 1323 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.439 present the Boss with several exhibits to share with you 1324 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:47.600 on this front. Right, Let's see if I can get 1325 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.199 the right one here. Bere with me. I'm gonna send 1326 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.600 you a few and then I tell you which one 1327 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.199 is to look for. Where is it coming in? It's 1328 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.840 coming in hot No? Is it coming in email? Okay? Yes, 1329 01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:04.920 So let's see what we can what we can learn 1330 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.039 from the Boss here. All right, you're gonna be you're 1331 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:18.359 gonna be taking a look at the article York Daily Record, Monday, 1332 01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:25.520 December thirtieth, nineteen eighty five. Let me see here is 1333 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.680 this article in the York Daily Record out of York, PA. 1334 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.039 And this is I thought kind of a helpful little compendium, 1335 01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:36.760 including I mentioned of the wrestling album for what's happening 1336 01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:39.920 in the music scene right around the time the wrestling 1337 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.119 album hit storage shelves? What was hot? What was not? Boss? 1338 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:48.359 All right? Look who ruled? Oh my god, so we're 1339 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:50.880 talking eighty which what was the date again? Yeah? This 1340 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:58.560 is December thirtieth, nineteen eighty five, on Monday. He's the 1341 01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:01.720 living section with us be in the top right hand corner. 1342 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:14.279 Let's see here by Lynn Margolis. Ah, there it is 1343 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:20.000 all right. I ruled, The Boss ruled at that's right. 1344 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:24.720 That's what was happening in music area. 1345 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:29.319 Music scene was dominated by Springsteen's Born in the USA. 1346 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:34.600 The public clamored for Phil Collins, begged for Brian Adams, 1347 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:39.560 and went crazy for wrestlers. But when the records, But 1348 01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.399 when record stores and radio stations were asked what buyers 1349 01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.840 and listeners requested most during nineteen eighty five, their response 1350 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:51.319 was nearly unanimous. Bruce Springsteen. The Boss Is Born in 1351 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:55.399 the USA. LP just finished its eightieth week on Billboard 1352 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.920 Magazine's Top ten album list and four out of five 1353 01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.640 local records to contacted mentioned it as the top selling 1354 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:03.640 album of the year. 1355 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:10.439 Yeah, Bruce Springsteen sold really well for us this year. 1356 01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:21.239 Aha, said Walt, said Walt piet trom store manager of 1357 01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:23.119 the West Manchester Mall. 1358 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:27.600 WEE three record shop. That's catchy. 1359 01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:32.359 The same was true at the Music Merchant in Queensgate 1360 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.920 Shopping Center, at the Listening Booth in York Mall, and 1361 01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:42.000 at Camelot Music also in the West Manchester Mall. Billboards 1362 01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:44.960 year end issue released this week says Springsteen and his 1363 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:48.640 Eastreet Band had both the hottest selling album and the 1364 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:52.439 most popular concert tour in nineteen eighty five. Rolling Stone 1365 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:55.000 also puts Born in the USA at the at the 1366 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.439 top of its top one hundred album chart for nineteen 1367 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:03.840 eighty five. Rising Lean WYCRFM program director Keith Allen reported 1368 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:09.159 Springsteen was not a top requested artist at ninety eight 1369 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:14.600 YCR this year. None of his songs were top request 1370 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:18.079 songs for this year. Allen said, although the New Jersey 1371 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.720 Rocket had five singles on the charts during nineteen eighty five, 1372 01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:23.960 I love that we need to find a way to 1373 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.560 just take Springsteen down or not. 1374 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:29.359 Well, yeah, we can't, all right, just celebrate him exclusively. 1375 01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.439 We have to be objective about it, of course. However, 1376 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:34.760 Springsteen had two songs in the top ten list of 1377 01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:41.319 requests at Starview ninety two WHTFFM. Glory Days is third 1378 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.159 on that station's list of top ten songs for eighty five, 1379 01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:48.920 and Trapped is number five. According to program director Mike Onadeco, 1380 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:52.680 this stat station's list of the top ten most requested 1381 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:56.279 songs in nineteen eighty five is as follows, Money for Nothing, 1382 01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.319 Dire Straits from Brothers in Arms, If You Love some Buddy, 1383 01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:04.680 Set Them Free, Sting from the Dream of the Blue Turtles, 1384 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:09.840 Glory Days, Springsteen from Born in the USA, Little by Little, 1385 01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:15.159 Robert Plant from Shaken and Stirred, Trapped Springsteen USA for 1386 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:22.239 Africa album That Was Yesterday, Foreigner from Agent Provocateur, Cannonball, 1387 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:26.920 super Tramp from Brother Where You Bound? Theme from the 1388 01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:31.000 TV series Miami Vice. Wow, That's spectacular. 1389 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:31.319 It is. 1390 01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.600 Jan Hammer from the Miami Vice. Not to be confused 1391 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:40.399 with Van Hammer from the Miami Vice soundtrack. Small Town, 1392 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:46.920 Small Town, Small Town, John Cougar, Mellencamp from Scarecrow and 1393 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:51.279 Power of Love, Huey Lewis and The News from sports. 1394 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.359 Most of the record shops mentioned several of these same 1395 01:17:55.479 --> 01:18:00.239 titles and artists when listing this year's top sellers. Having 1396 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:02.760 to pick up the phone and call a record store 1397 01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:05.560 in a mall, O, my god, I figure out what 1398 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:10.720 was selling spectacular Looking at the dumb ass Spotify charts. 1399 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:11.319 Yep, yep. 1400 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.640 Patron of We three said Money for Nothing was a 1401 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:18.000 big seller, along with Madonna's Into the Groove extended play. 1402 01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:24.000 Madonna sold well all through the year. Patron reported, great insight. 1403 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:29.000 Oh yeah, I'll tell you Madonna was fantastic. Just one 1404 01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:32.079 of the you know I I I keep keep track of, 1405 01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.159 you know, the numbers and the Madonna just just blew 1406 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:35.640 them all away. 1407 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:43.199 I keep track of the numbers. I don't doubt it. Amazingly, 1408 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:50.640 he was the only source ioped here. Amazingly, he was 1409 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.800 the only source contacted for this story. It says that no, 1410 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.840 I wish more, I wish it stopped there. I wish 1411 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:01.600 it just amazingly. 1412 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.039 He was the only source contacted for this story to 1413 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:07.239 mention the artists who wound up first on Billboard's list 1414 01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:11.960 of the top pop artists for nineteen eighty five. Kelly Rhodes, 1415 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.279 record manager at The Listening Booth said the store's biggest 1416 01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:22.319 selling singles included besides Money for Nothing, Hearts Never, Mellencamp's 1417 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:27.439 Small Town Former Eagle, Glen Fries You Belong to the City, 1418 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:31.039 and Miami Vice Lionel Richie's Say You Say Me from 1419 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:34.600 the movie White Knights, and a variety of others. Albums 1420 01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:38.560 and demand of the York Mall store included Tears for Fears, 1421 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:43.359 songs from So Cheers for Fears, songs from The Biz, 1422 01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:48.640 No Big Chair, the Miami Vice soundtrack, LP Brian Adams, Reckless, 1423 01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:56.479 Motley Cruz, Theater of Pam. That's funny. Hey, that's funny. No, 1424 01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.000 because what's his name from Motley Crue? Wasn't he Sidney 1425 01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.520 Pam Anderson? But not here, not in eighty five, that's true. Yeah, 1426 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.319 it was in the nineties. Yeah right, Indeed, that's fucking funny. Yes, 1427 01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:15.199 that's really funny, zz Tops, Eliminator, and several heavy metal titles. 1428 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:23.600 Stephanie Motzo Ball, Soup manager of Camp Kamala Music West 1429 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.800 Manchester Mall stores, said Reckless in Phil Collins No Jacket 1430 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.239 Required were very popular this year. 1431 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:36.439 Since No Jacket is doing so well face value. An 1432 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:40.439 earlier Collins album has picked up again, right, Miss Mazzo said, 1433 01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:44.720 mister Mister is really taking off, and so is Eddie Murphy. 1434 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.479 To just pick up, ma'am, try to do an interview, 1435 01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.680 she said, referring to the albums Welcome to the Real 1436 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:56.520 World and how could it be respectively, added Miss Motso, 1437 01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:01.119 the Fat Boys sell really well. It's amazing. 1438 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:01.520 Wow. 1439 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:06.159 The three member rap band has recorded two LP's Fat 1440 01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:09.520 Boys and the Fat Boys are back and they're featured 1441 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:13.800 in a top drawing rap movie, Crush Groove. Soundtracks from 1442 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.319 the movies Saint Elmo's Fire and The Big Chill have 1443 01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:20.399 also been popular, Miss Motso, said Tom Baum, manager of 1444 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:25.000 the Music Merchant, said Melancamp's recent appearance in Hershey boosted 1445 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:29.560 his sales locally. He also named releases by Brian Adams, 1446 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:33.720 Tears for Fears, Zz, Top Dire Straits, Heart, Glen Fry, 1447 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.880 and Phil Collins as the year's heaviest sellers. I also 1448 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:41.159 heard that King Kong Bundy was one of the year's 1449 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:50.039 heaviest sellers, as was Peter. But the biggest surprise of 1450 01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:53.720 the year for Baum, miss Matso and other record dealers 1451 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:59.840 was the Christmas season success of the wrestling album. 1452 01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:02.239 Imagine getting the wrestling album under the tree. 1453 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:06.800 I mean I would have I would have I would 1454 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.119 have fucking blown you know, I would have fucking creamed 1455 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:11.079 my pants if that happened. 1456 01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:13.640 Wow, I mean it just would have been like this 1457 01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.319 wrestling thing. Yeah, it's like you couldn't buy You couldn't 1458 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:20.520 be a wrestling fan before this and buy shit like 1459 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:22.880 that to have. I couldn't have action figures. 1460 01:22:23.479 --> 01:22:25.279 I mean, no, can you imagine, like, like, you know, 1461 01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:29.359 if you were a kid in the seventies watching you know, 1462 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:33.840 MSG shows, like you wouldn't No, no, you you like 1463 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:37.479 you could dream of this ship. Yeah, you know you 1464 01:22:37.640 --> 01:22:38.279 dream of this ship. 1465 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:42.119 Stuff came into existence after huole Caamania, you know, was 1466 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.319 formed so that those earliest hulkamaniacs didn't have a million 1467 01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:49.760 pieces of you know, swat to own. Not at all. 1468 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:53.840 Fucking crazy wrestling album The Christmas of eighty five. 1469 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:59.039 Yep, a conglomeration of sounds from everybody who is anybody 1470 01:22:59.159 --> 01:23:03.479 in the wrestling arena. The MTV video hit prompting sales 1471 01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:06.079 of the album is loosely based on the tune Land 1472 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:12.159 of a Thousand Dances, said Patron. The wrestling album was 1473 01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:17.159 our biggest holiday seller, our biggest holiday seller. That's crazy. 1474 01:23:18.560 --> 01:23:21.600 And then it continues alonely do you have to go 1475 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.640 backwards one not to get the right clip picks up 1476 01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:26.720 with not music? Oh yeah, I gotta yeah, I say 1477 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:27.960 it's gonna zoom into it. 1478 01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:28.800 Uh. 1479 01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:31.720 He reported seeing a lot of parents buying the six 1480 01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:36.119 ninety nine LP for their kids, adding now we sold 1481 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:38.199 out on almost every and almost we saw that. 1482 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:42.439 Hold on, he just can I start over again? We 1483 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:46.760 sold out of it almost every week, yeah, laughing. Petron 1484 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:50.279 noted that the album was almost universally panned, and he 1485 01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:54.119 recalled Billboard Magazine's comment as sing as they're they're pretty 1486 01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:58.840 good wrestlers, you know, and that's that's fucking that's a hoot. 1487 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.840 That's a fun. Just to be clear, you own a 1488 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.039 record store, right, that's I do. 1489 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:04.439 I do. 1490 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:06.960 I own a record store that but you know I do. 1491 01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:10.000 I do read Billboard magazine. You're laughing at wrestling. 1492 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:12.880 I like to well, absolutely listen. I like to uh, 1493 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:16.119 I like to listen. I'm a I'm a music specialist 1494 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.640 when first and foremost so you know, I'm a I 1495 01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:23.760 You know this is this is not only my job, 1496 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:24.720 but my passion. 1497 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:26.600 I appreciate your tone either. I mean, of the things 1498 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:29.319 I sell are real, aren't they? I mean, listen, I'm 1499 01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:31.359 I'm selling. I sell real albums. 1500 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:31.680 I don't. 1501 01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:35.119 I don't, you know, put on fake fights. So let's 1502 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:40.159 let's just let's cool. The thrust is there, right, thrust? 1503 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:43.359 Oh? 1504 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.319 I can't believe you could be alive at a time 1505 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:48.319 when like this kind of an article is obliged to 1506 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.479 include the wrestling album. Like they didn't want to put 1507 01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:51.439 that in there, but they had to. 1508 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:53.479 Of course they have to. You know, when it when 1509 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.560 it's when it when it kind of comes out of nowhere, 1510 01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:57.000 you know that that's it's huge. 1511 01:24:57.640 --> 01:25:00.439 And to think of it competing with Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, 1512 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:03.079 and Van Halen just too much for me. 1513 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:08.119 A bizarre belong in that company. Now there they were yep, yep, 1514 01:25:08.199 --> 01:25:10.520 all because of a fucking fad every year. 1515 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:12.880 Guys back then, especially guys like George Steele and stuff, 1516 01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:14.720 who knew what it was like a decade before this. 1517 01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.560 They are now rock stars. It's like the damnedest thing. 1518 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.159 They're doing the same thing they've been doing, you know, 1519 01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:23.039 to pact arenas, but not to national celebrity like that. 1520 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:26.680 Right, and and right, and they're exactly and and they're 1521 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.880 and they're right. They have an album like what they 1522 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:36.680 they're on a nationally released album. Of the album's continued success, 1523 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:39.640 Miss Matso said, added this. 1524 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:44.479 One I would definitely call amazing. She's talking about the 1525 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:48.600 wrestling album. Yes, oh my god, she's a pipstart through huh. 1526 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:50.159 Uh. 1527 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:55.760 You know, I'm I believe in irony. You didn't say that. 1528 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:04.800 I love motifylomb You know, I just I think that 1529 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:10.439 if you view the world with an ironic lens, it 1530 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:15.479 kind of like, you know, things make more sense that way. 1531 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:25.399 You know. I believe in irony and ironic symbolism. Yeah, 1532 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:33.840 I believe in irony, but ironically, I don't believe in 1533 01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:38.119 irony my clothes. What I do believe in, however, is 1534 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.359 the blurring of high and low culture. 1535 01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:46.000 You know, see, where I like to kind of focus 1536 01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:53.359 my energy is where lines are blurred. You know, Oh 1537 01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.760 my god, I don't like being on one side or 1538 01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:01.399 the other. I like this kind of like where they blur, 1539 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:06.600 and wrestling is it kind of obliterates the line between 1540 01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:07.640 high and low art. 1541 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:14.119 It's like one big blur, hyper theatrical, you know, it's like, right, 1542 01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:18.439 it's think of the pastiche entertainment. But at the same 1543 01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:25.399 time it's athletic. Yet it's like watching a live action cartoon. 1544 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:29.479 It's like an what it's like an Holian of camp. 1545 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:34.000 It's just a layer upon layer of pastiche. Do you 1546 01:27:34.119 --> 01:27:39.399 see I mean, like, if you look up pastiche in 1547 01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:42.640 a dictionary, they're going to show a wrestling ring. Just 1548 01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:47.880 think about this. It's wrestlers pretending to not be fighters, 1549 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.920 but pretending to be musicians. Who I mean, but but well, 1550 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:55.760 but it's their characters. It's wrestlers pretending to be characters 1551 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:57.439 who are pretending to be musicians. 1552 01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:02.159 Think about that. These are these are men who are 1553 01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:10.199 pretending to be wrestlers. Okay, and it's not like the 1554 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:19.319 men are the musicians. It's the characters who are the 1555 01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:20.279 rock stars. 1556 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:26.399 Like whoa, I mean, Budrillard teaches us that, I mean, 1557 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.520 wrestling is already a syml lacrum. You know, I believe 1558 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:34.760 you know I am. I consider myself to be a 1559 01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:43.279 practicing postmodernist. Well sounds like practicing pediatrist or something, But 1560 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:49.399 it sounds like a like a clinical practicing postmodernist. You know, 1561 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:53.920 I have a doctorate in post modernity. So I am 1562 01:28:54.000 --> 01:29:04.479 a doctor of post I'm a doctor postmodernist postmodernomics. But 1563 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:07.039 I ask you, if wrestling is simulation of a fight, 1564 01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:10.960 doesn't this become a simulation of a simulation this album? 1565 01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:15.279 I mean, if what they do is simulating a you know, 1566 01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:22.720 a sporting athletic endeavor, you know, here the simulation is 1567 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:26.600 simulating something else. The real is long gone. All that's 1568 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.119 left are layers of performance. I mean, what we're looking 1569 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:36.319 at this wrestling album is the dawn of artificial intelligence. 1570 01:29:37.520 --> 01:30:05.039 What the fan wrestling podcast He's lapsed fan wrestling podcast. 1571 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:06.760 With Jack and car and. 1572 01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:16.560 It's it's artificiality creating its own thing, Like like, these 1573 01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:23.319 are not real people, they're characters and they're creating an album. 1574 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:25.880 What is it? 1575 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:31.159 What does it mean when someone pretending to be someone 1576 01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:35.399 who's pretending to be someone creates something that doesn't exist? 1577 01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:40.880 The where does it end? Like if from here? What 1578 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:50.840 if this album like spawned a country? What is this country? 1579 01:30:53.000 --> 01:31:00.399 Like the wrestling album Flag is put down in a 1580 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:08.800 fictional land and from there a fictional population. Does it 1581 01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:11.760 become real or does it just become or does it 1582 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:17.239 all the mirrors of collapsing identities? Are we exactly like? Where? 1583 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:19.560 What is the identity we seek? 1584 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:20.399 Right? 1585 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:23.159 That's the question the wrestling album. Let me write, I'm 1586 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:23.800 writing that down. 1587 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:28.039 What is. 1588 01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:38.640 The identity we seek? That is the question presented by 1589 01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:39.399 the wrestling album? 1590 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:39.800 Is it not? 1591 01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:40.520 That? 1592 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:40.840 Is it? 1593 01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:43.800 Are you done? Nope? 1594 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:49.119 At Downtown Record Company, one Market Way West, the biggest 1595 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.800 selling LP this year has been Freddie Jackson's rock Meet 1596 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:55.479 Tonight Wow. The single of the same title is ranked 1597 01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:58.800 number one on Billboard's chart of the Top Black Singles 1598 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:01.680 for nineteen eighty five. We Are the World both the 1599 01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:05.680 album and single versions. The Bandwagon hunger relief song by 1600 01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:10.119 artists joined together as USA for Africa, also sold well 1601 01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:13.800 at the store, according to manager Patty Grobe. None of 1602 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:16.880 the other store managers mentioned that song's early nineteen eighty 1603 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:21.680 five success, but Starview ninety two's on Deaco said Live 1604 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:25.880 Aid ranked with Springsteen's shows as the top concerts of 1605 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:30.279 the year. Billboard names Live Aid as the fourth largest 1606 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:34.199 grossing concert of the year, while listing seventeen Springsteen concerts 1607 01:32:34.199 --> 01:32:37.560 among the top one hundred money making gigs in nineteen 1608 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:44.399 eighty five. Since area radio stations base play lists partially 1609 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:47.600 on record store sales, and record sales are based partially 1610 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:52.399 on radio airplay. It's hard to determine which influences the other. More, 1611 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.520 Patron said his store sells a lot of top forty 1612 01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:58.439 tunes as well as an above average amount of black 1613 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:03.319 oriented heavy metal music. Top ten very closely parallels to 1614 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:04.159 national top ten. 1615 01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:05.439 He noted. 1616 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.399 He did mention a few deviations, mainly requests for albums 1617 01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:12.880 by groups popular in local night spots. Those included three 1618 01:33:13.039 --> 01:33:19.119 LPs by Maryland based Kicks and two releases an album 1619 01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:22.359 and an LP an EP rather by The Sharks, a 1620 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:28.239 Lancaster band. Local record business pros neglected mentioned neglected mention 1621 01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.880 of one of the Billboard's top pop duos, Wham, who 1622 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:35.159 recorded two of the magazine's top three pop singles for 1623 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:38.479 nineteen eighty five. That feat was equalled only by two 1624 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.840 other artists in the last thirty years, Elvis Presley and 1625 01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:46.840 the Beatles. Nor did programmers or dealers mention another hot 1626 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:51.279 pair Hollid Oats or Tina Turner or Prince And what 1627 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:55.199 of last year's hottest artists? Remember Cindy Lauper and Michael Jackson, 1628 01:33:55.720 --> 01:34:00.520 who apparently they're yesterday's news no longer favored buy record 1629 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:04.319 store customers and radio station listeners here. But that's the 1630 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.279 way the record spin at least in nineteen eighty five. 1631 01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:10.279 Wow, what a time. 1632 01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:17.119 So think about that, Like, ironically, ironically, the wrestling album 1633 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:23.520 is making more news than Cindy Lauper. Absolutely, that's hilarious. 1634 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.560 And it's her machine behind it. I mean who produced it, exactly, 1635 01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:29.680 Dave Wolf Exactly, Dave Wolfe. He always comes back to 1636 01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.720 Dave Wolf. The guy Roddy Piper body slammed after breaking 1637 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.600 the record over Abano's head in Madison Square Garden. The 1638 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:39.000 cops get involved, and Dave Wolf was Cidi Lauper's manager 1639 01:34:39.079 --> 01:34:41.479 and boyfriend who is a pretty big wrestling fan who 1640 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:43.840 had gone to the garden throughout his life and gone 1641 01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:46.159 to shows with his parents and stuff. And when he 1642 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:48.640 gets when he gets in the soup, all of a 1643 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:51.239 sudden he's suggesting angles bringing in the biggest pop star 1644 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:54.279 in the country. And yeah, he starts to get a 1645 01:34:54.279 --> 01:34:57.119 little more leeway to suggest more projects, including the wrestling album. 1646 01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.800 So let's return here to this after kind of to 1647 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:04.439 set the table for us oral history piece that lays 1648 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:06.920 out the history of the Wrestling album by Patrick Sour 1649 01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:10.199 big tip of the cap because he documents a lot 1650 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:12.000 of stuff and runs down a lot of things that 1651 01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:15.600 no one would ever think to ask about this this album. 1652 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:20.239 So kudo's there. So Dave Wolf said, my dad was 1653 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:22.000 a wrestling fan back in the days of Bruno and 1654 01:35:22.039 --> 01:35:25.840 Haystacks Calhoun. Wow, he got me into a young He 1655 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:28.720 got me into a young six or seven in high school. 1656 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.319 He took me to a match in Stamford, Connecticut, where 1657 01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:32.920 they set up a ring in the football field. I 1658 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:36.039 was in seventh heaven. Once I started to understand the 1659 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:38.760 theater of it, wrestling became a passion of mine. 1660 01:35:39.439 --> 01:35:39.720 Of course. 1661 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:42.720 Cyndi Lauper then releases her debut album She's So Unusual 1662 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.720 in nineteen and eighty three, and we know that girls 1663 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:49.000 just want to have fun. Video prominently featured leuel Bano, 1664 01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:51.079 who she met on an airplane to Puerto Rico. As 1665 01:35:51.119 --> 01:35:55.520 we've talked about in several forums, including the Colisseum video 1666 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.960 on luell Bano. So that puts her squarely into the 1667 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:01.760 wrestling world. That's kind of the first dipping of the 1668 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:06.960 towel in the water. Yeah, and then Dave Wolf brings 1669 01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:11.039 Cindy Laupper to Lenny Petsy, who was an executive producer 1670 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:14.720 of the Wrestling album as well as Cindy Lappers She's 1671 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:19.720 so unusual and signed her to Portrait Records out of 1672 01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:22.840 a band she was in called Blue Angel, and they 1673 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:25.560 really kind of make her a singles star in the 1674 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:29.079 wrestling parlance. Interesting, and they wanted more of the young 1675 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:31.520 male demographic buying her record, so they cooked up the 1676 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:36.119 storyline with Cindy Lapper owing Captain Lleue Albano record royalty. 1677 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:40.840 And to figure all this out, Wendy Rector, of course, 1678 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:44.680 being represented as the woman of the eighties by Cindy Lapper, 1679 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:49.319 takes on the fabulous Mula who was Loue Albano's charge 1680 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:54.399 slash yeah, the bad girl in the situation and let 1681 01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:57.520 me get into it. The piece includes an interview with 1682 01:36:57.640 --> 01:36:59.359 the drummer on the Wrestling album, a guy by the 1683 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:04.239 name of Jim Browler who had quite a career across 1684 01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:09.199 top ten Billboard singles. Like everyone in town, he told 1685 01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:11.680 the author, I knew Dave Wolf, who was the link 1686 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:14.000 between rock and wrestling. He wasn't the only pro wrestling 1687 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:15.840 fan around though a lot of us grew up with it. 1688 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:18.239 I watched the old guys in w R Channel nine, 1689 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:20.520 but nobody talked about wrestling until Dave put it together 1690 01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:22.680 with the music. All of a sudden, guys came out 1691 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:25.560 of the closet looking around sheepishly until we figured out 1692 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:28.119 that a bunch of us were wrestling fans. It was 1693 01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:32.319 like cocaine. Nobody admits to want to blow until somebody 1694 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:36.760 breaks it out and everybody's doing it right want. Everybody 1695 01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.279 fucking wants it, but nobody wants to be the one 1696 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:43.720 to suggest it. That's pro wrestling fandom right there, looking 1697 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:47.000 at each other like am I in safe company for 1698 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:48.000 the big reveal? 1699 01:37:48.399 --> 01:37:48.560 Right? 1700 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:52.680 The big reveal? Yep? So yeah, it's Dave Wolf. I 1701 01:37:52.680 --> 01:37:54.920 mean Cindy Lauper, she likes wrestling, but she's not a 1702 01:37:55.359 --> 01:37:58.439 fan of it. She's not like a a devote It 1703 01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:01.880 was really Dave Wolf who ushered her into this world 1704 01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:05.840 and into this circumstance. So we all know the big 1705 01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:10.159 angle with Dick Clark in the ring and Madison Square Garden. 1706 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:12.720 Oh yeah, where they broke the record over Lebano's head 1707 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:14.720 that was supposed to be presented to City Lauper by 1708 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:17.960 Hogan and stuff for such a wonderful career, and in 1709 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:20.920 rock and roll, the rock and wrestling connection was born. 1710 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:24.119 Wolf Telling, the author of this oral history. I don't 1711 01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:27.000 recall the exact chronology, but I came up with the 1712 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:29.560 idea for the wrestling album. I talked to Lou and 1713 01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:31.920 Roddy about it. They said, great, make a deal with Vince. 1714 01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:34.159 I did, and then went to Epic Records and it 1715 01:38:34.199 --> 01:38:39.159 came together. I hired all the producers, songwriters, musicians, and 1716 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:44.359 picked the wrestlers. Everyone involved was into it. Of course, 1717 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:47.600 the participants would include guys like Hillbilly Jim, who's Don't 1718 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:52.079 Go Messing with a Country Boy was an anthem and 1719 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:54.720 WW for years, Right Boss passed on to the Godwins 1720 01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.439 as well. Yeah, right, Exactly. What's really tough about it 1721 01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:00.520 is that you know, you don't hear it because they 1722 01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:03.279 don't have the rights to it. It's a song that 1723 01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:05.000 somebody else was able to claim rights to. So when 1724 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.560 you watch Peacas, we I don't understand, like, how did 1725 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:09.800 that happen? I know, how did they lose? 1726 01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.520 Just that they well, well not only that they're there, 1727 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:17.880 are they're well they also don't have uh eat them 1728 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.199 cakes or whatever the fuck they're Oh, that's true. Yes, 1729 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:26.520 they don't have that in case we grab them cakes 1730 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.119 right right, Like, you know, I don't understand how they 1731 01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:33.000 can own the album but not own these songs. 1732 01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:35.600 Every song, Yeah, I mean it's I'm sure there was 1733 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.680 different deals cut with every songwriter and guest vocalists and whoever. 1734 01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:41.199 You know, in some cases the song rights were disputed. 1735 01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:44.920 In some cases perhaps it was unquestioned that WWF had 1736 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.239 dominion over them. They're still I mean, I'm sure that 1737 01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:50.479 there's probably legal ship up the wazoo. But like you'd 1738 01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:54.359 think you'd think that they would want to own all 1739 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:56.680 their ship. Yeah, you think that that would have been 1740 01:39:56.720 --> 01:39:58.640 a thing over the course of the years that Vince 1741 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:00.439 would have wanted to do. Probably happened to They thought 1742 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.560 they had the rights in their primitive legal department at 1743 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:07.239 the time, and then somebody. It just took someone to 1744 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:09.600 contest it and then I call fuck it, you know. So, 1745 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:12.520 I mean, I don't know that again, it just seems weird, 1746 01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:16.279 like why not you know, own that shit. I don't know, 1747 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.960 it just seems weird. We'll get more color as we go. 1748 01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:22.560 Dave Wolf saying, Vince Love the basic concept, so he 1749 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:25.399 gave me free reign, but we also collaborated. He sat 1750 01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:27.720 down and pointed out things that should be tweaked. In 1751 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:30.279 the early days we had a great working relationship. It 1752 01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.840 didn't last. Everything changes with that guy, but while making 1753 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.840 the wrestling album, we had fantastic rapport. It's a novelty album. 1754 01:40:37.880 --> 01:40:40.119 Wolf continued, But novelty can't be done right if it 1755 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:43.000 isn't treated with respect. If the idea is better than 1756 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:45.720 the execution, then you have nothing. I couldn't do things, 1757 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:49.000 halp hazardly. I was committed down to the last detail. 1758 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:54.159 Silliness requires serious thought beforehand to flourish. No Dave Wolf 1759 01:40:54.199 --> 01:40:57.640 coming with the philosophy. Huh oh yeah, absolute silliness requires 1760 01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:01.279 serious thought beforehand to flourish. I think I know a 1761 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:05.199 podcast that serves as proof of concept there, huh right? 1762 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:08.359 Or is they Jimmy Hard as well? And he's an asset, 1763 01:41:08.399 --> 01:41:09.840 I mean, you know with the Gentries. He had been 1764 01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:12.439 a rock musician for decades and it was actually had 1765 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:15.680 a hit song in the sixties before even getting involved 1766 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:18.319 as a professional wrestling manager in the Memphis territory, which 1767 01:41:18.640 --> 01:41:22.039 being a Memphis native and making his name in music city. 1768 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.199 You know, knew quite a bit about it and had 1769 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:28.479 done all kinds of music on Memphis wrestling television before 1770 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:31.159 ever coming to WWF, so he was perfectly positioned to 1771 01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:34.479 help we see him actually perform a live concert, don't we, 1772 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:35.399 Boss at the Slammies. 1773 01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:36.199 Hmm? 1774 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:40.439 Indeed, heart putting it down for us. So he what 1775 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:42.720 a weird? What a weird? I mean, because you know 1776 01:41:42.760 --> 01:41:47.239 they're not singing live? Well do you mean they're live singing? 1777 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.279 You mean? Yeah, yeah, it was broadcast live on MTV 1778 01:41:50.439 --> 01:41:53.159 from the Uh well that that I believe. 1779 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.720 But you know that they weren't actually singing, right, it 1780 01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:58.039 looks like it, I mean, it suddenly becomes like a 1781 01:41:58.199 --> 01:41:59.760 very polished sound. 1782 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.399 We gotta remember before Millie Vanilli, people weren't as people 1783 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:09.600 were much more credulous, you know, people weren't as weren't 1784 01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:12.239 as good at listening for the difference. That kind of 1785 01:42:12.279 --> 01:42:15.880 fascinates me actually, like a time in America where people 1786 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.520 actually couldn't appreciate whether you were lip syncing or not, 1787 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:22.680 whereas now it's like there's never any doubt. So Dave Wolf, 1788 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.600 one of the driving forces is that I wanted every 1789 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:28.199 wrestler to have their own walk in theme music. Before 1790 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.119 the wrestling album, it was always Eye of the Tiger 1791 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:32.319 or something like that. Why not give these guys their 1792 01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:35.199 own unique songs. I didn't audition anyone. I went with 1793 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:38.199 my gut feeling. Roddy was interesting because he was my friend, 1794 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:40.439 but I wasn't entirely sure he could handle it. I 1795 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:42.479 knew he would get uptight if it wasn't going well, 1796 01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:46.039 so he'd feel real, he'd feel insecure, and we wouldn't 1797 01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:48.640 get authentic Roddy Piper. The song was perfect for him 1798 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:50.960 and he nailed it. Funny thing the song is actually 1799 01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.960 what's it actually called boss? The song he does on 1800 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:57.520 the album, it's called for Everybody. Oh, it was inspired 1801 01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:02.479 by the real song called for Nobody, Fuck Everybody, Fuck 1802 01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:07.079 Fuck Everybody, which is a song by Mike Angelo and 1803 01:43:07.119 --> 01:43:10.560 the Idols. That's amazing that had come around this point 1804 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:12.359 in time. So yeah, there's a lot of that on 1805 01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.000 the wrestling album. You know, the Land of a Thousand Dances, 1806 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:18.359 you know, has a progenitor. It has a version of 1807 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.239 it from whatever it was Swing days. We'll get to it, 1808 01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:24.159 but on the record, it's for Everybody, Wolf says the 1809 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.159 way he sang it, it sounds like the original version. 1810 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:29.600 Everybody got the point, he says. We wrote some songs. 1811 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.479 Other guys picked classics, like means gen Oakerland who covered 1812 01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:35.600 two Dy Fruity okraland could really sing. So could Mouth 1813 01:43:35.640 --> 01:43:37.920 of the South, who did Eat Your Heart out. Rick Springfield, 1814 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:39.319 you know, said this was the thing. 1815 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:43.800 I never I never. I always wondered why tooty Fruity 1816 01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:46.319 was his song. I never understood where the connection was 1817 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:49.640 because I remember him coming down in more you know, 1818 01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:55.199 mean Gene coming down in more recent years, like since 1819 01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:01.880 like WW closed, and they'd introduce him and he had 1820 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:03.119 come down to touty Fruity. 1821 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.039 I'm like, I don't get it, right, Why, what the 1822 01:44:05.119 --> 01:44:06.560 fuck is this song all about? For him? 1823 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:06.840 Right? 1824 01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:08.800 I had no idea. I had no idea if this 1825 01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:10.479 was it. It's it where it comes from. There's a 1826 01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.800 lot of that with the wrestling album and the first Slam, 1827 01:44:13.880 --> 01:44:16.439 he said, connects a lot of the pieces of why, Yes, 1828 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:19.399 the presentation of these big stars of the rock and 1829 01:44:19.439 --> 01:44:21.600 wrestling era was such as it was, it did come 1830 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:25.840 down to this, Yeah, tooty Fruity Oakland really singing soaking 1831 01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:27.640 Mouth of the South, who did the song eat your 1832 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:31.119 Heart Out, Rick Springfield, Jimmy Hart. Dave Wolf says had 1833 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:32.920 been part of a band called The Gentries, who had 1834 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:35.000 a Top five hit Keep On Dancing. He was a 1835 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:40.119 real rocker. Nikolai Volkoff was deadly serious about kadamia. He 1836 01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:43.840 had a somewhat operatic voice, stayed in pitch and could 1837 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:46.880 really belt it out. And he also was very serious 1838 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:49.800 about diarrhea. Yea, he could belt a lot of things out. 1839 01:44:49.920 --> 01:44:52.920 He also delch a lot of things out. It's true, yes, 1840 01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:57.560 but according to Dave Wolf, it was heartfelt perfect. It's 1841 01:44:57.640 --> 01:45:01.239 turned to h to Jimmy Art for a quick insight 1842 01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:04.680 into what he's been up to during this point in time. 1843 01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:06.840 This is from his book. When I was hired by 1844 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.479 the WWF, Vince told me he wanted to do music 1845 01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:11.760 for the company. Wanted me to do music for the 1846 01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:13.560 company as well as the in ring stuff, which is 1847 01:45:13.600 --> 01:45:15.800 exactly what I wanted to do. I'd been putting rock 1848 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:18.359 and wrestling together since the late seventies when I cut 1849 01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:20.960 that song and video for Handsome Jimmy Valliant. So that song, 1850 01:45:21.479 --> 01:45:23.720 that Jimmy Valliant song, and that Rhino Records thing that 1851 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:28.319 compilations was from the seventies and Memphis Hackett's What Wow 1852 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:32.399 really started everything, Jimmy Hart says, but the WWF took music, 1853 01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:35.239 like everything else, to a new level once again. It 1854 01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:37.600 was the difference between flying first class and riding four 1855 01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:40.079 to a car in Memphis. Cindy Lauper, the pop star 1856 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:41.960 who had hits with girls Just Want to Have Fun 1857 01:45:42.039 --> 01:45:45.319 and True Colors, brought the WWF rock and roll credibility. 1858 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:47.920 A huge fan of Captain Leewell Banel, one of Vince's 1859 01:45:47.920 --> 01:45:50.159 wrestlers and managers, Lauper got Vince to let her use 1860 01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:52.279 lou in a video. One thing led to another, and 1861 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:54.960 before you knew it, the WWF was doing promotion with 1862 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:59.039 MTV Rock and Wrestling. As I already knew, messed together perfectly. 1863 01:45:59.199 --> 01:46:01.399 Cindy was managed by her boyfriend Dave wolf and he 1864 01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:03.359 was friends with Dick Clark. I think they all approached 1865 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:05.720 Vince with the idea of marrying her stuff with the 1866 01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:08.560 w w F, and eventually a storyline was created that 1867 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:11.319 would get her involved in the first WrestleMania. Later, Dave 1868 01:46:11.359 --> 01:46:14.399 Wolfe decided time was right to do a wrestling album. 1869 01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:17.680 M he approached me, Jimmy, I know that you sing. 1870 01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.680 Have you got a song for it? Yeah? I said, 1871 01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:22.600 I've got a song called Eat Your Heart Out. Rick 1872 01:46:22.640 --> 01:46:27.079 Springfield Springfield was one of the hottest crossover stars of 1873 01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:29.479 the early eighties. He had a hit record with Jesse's 1874 01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:32.279 Girl and a starring role in the soap opera General Hospital. 1875 01:46:32.319 --> 01:46:34.720 I didn't know Rick Springfield was on General Hospital. I 1876 01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:37.680 didn't know that either. Anyway, that record, which was called, 1877 01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:40.720 appropriately enough, the Wrestling Album, was pretty bizarre, even by 1878 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:45.159 w w F standards. Jimmy Hart right, Captain Lou Albano 1879 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:47.520 did a track on the history of wrestling means You Oakerland, 1880 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:49.880 one of our announcers, performed Tudy Fruity, the old Little 1881 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:54.239 Richard hit, Nikolai Volkoff sang Kairamia. Rick Deringer also featured 1882 01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:57.039 on one tune. So there was some solid music on there. 1883 01:46:57.359 --> 01:46:59.119 It's been re released a couple of times and it's 1884 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.000 still available. Yeah, they did. They put it out on 1885 01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:05.119 CD not too long ago. Actually, I remember getting the 1886 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:09.840 Resting Album on CD. Very strange reissue because if I 1887 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.039 remember right, it was done kind of before they had 1888 01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.159 their nostalgia wave. They put it out like at the 1889 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.279 tail end of the Attitude era. What is this back 1890 01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:18.920 on the shelves for it was so bizarre. 1891 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:21.600 Yeah, I remember that too. I remember it being kind 1892 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:26.359 of in a weird and maybe they Yeah, I don't 1893 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:27.640 know why. Yeah, I don't know why they do that, 1894 01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:28.439 but I do remember that. 1895 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:31.119 A second record, pile Driver too, which we'll get to. 1896 01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:34.760 The nineteen eighty seven Slammy Awards is very much tied 1897 01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:37.319 up on the pile Driver album, which was their second release. 1898 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:39.960 And I didn't even fucking know they had two fucking 1899 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.239 night albums. It's the one with hul Cogan with a 1900 01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:45.479 construction hat on the cover of it. It's right, And 1901 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.159 that'll make a perfect entree when we get to that 1902 01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:51.520 Colisseum home video On the Colisseum collection, there's a pile 1903 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:55.319 Driver Colosseum home video release that includes or at least 1904 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:58.600 a coincident with the eighty seven slammings. And that one's 1905 01:47:58.600 --> 01:48:01.600 a lot more famous interesting than the first one, right 1906 01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:05.239 because it has Vince doing stand back, just him just 1907 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:09.279 going completely insane and a leisure just losing his fucking mind. 1908 01:48:09.399 --> 01:48:12.439 What is he doing? I mean again, talking. 1909 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:20.720 Talking prophetically, well, talk about cocaine, right, all right, that's 1910 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.520 that's it right there, jesus. 1911 01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:27.840 A lot of Vince documentaries, including the Netflix one, made 1912 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:29.319 a lot of hay out of that performance and the 1913 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.840 lyrics contained therein for sure, as they should. But the 1914 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.039 Hogan was actually at that one playing bass. If you've 1915 01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:36.840 ever seen that clip of Hogan playing bass on like 1916 01:48:36.920 --> 01:48:39.479 a stage, right, it's from the eighty seven to eighty 1917 01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.880 six Slammies. That one also has the famous Hardley Race 1918 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.199 Jim Duggan brawl where they brawl all over the place, 1919 01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:49.720 not unlike the brawl that breaks out here. The idea 1920 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:51.479 was like, you know, what if an award show broke 1921 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:55.800 down into complete chaos, you know, and all the actors 1922 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:58.239 or all the singers just started punching each other on stage. 1923 01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:01.159 That's that's Vince's big idea, going back to the fucking 1924 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:04.640 Uncle Elmer wedding and the Mother's Day. 1925 01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:08.359 Right case, It's always about these like events like this 1926 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:10.239 fucking breaking down, yeah, and. 1927 01:49:10.279 --> 01:49:14.720 These animals just being unleash. Right. A second record, Pile Driver, 1928 01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:17.760 was released in nineteen eighty eight. I stumbled, oh no, 1929 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:21.039 Jimmy Hart, I didn't know this. I submitted the demolition 1930 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:23.840 theme song. Did you know? The Demolition theme song is 1931 01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:27.399 on that on Pile Driver. Now, yeah, I think I 1932 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:30.399 knew that one and crank it out that, both of 1933 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:33.800 which Rick Deringer was on guitar for. Rick Deringer's on 1934 01:49:33.880 --> 01:49:36.960 guitar for Hulk Cogan's Real American as well. Right right, 1935 01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:40.000 So he also brings us hang Hangs, Hang Pangs, Hang 1936 01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:46.560 Tang good for him, as well as Honky signature tune 1937 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:49.479 hon Ko Honker Tonky Man Hunker what no hunka Honka 1938 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.560 Honky talk Man. They took my demos, Jimmy Wrights cut 1939 01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:54.720 the tracks and included all three songs on the album. 1940 01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:56.920 My work earned a couple of awards from Sea Sack, 1941 01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.239 a company that licenses music performance rights. I went to 1942 01:49:59.279 --> 01:50:01.880 the awards prison during Country Music Week in Nashville. It 1943 01:50:01.960 --> 01:50:04.279 made a brief acceptance speech. This is a lot more fun, 1944 01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:07.560 I said, than getting beer thrown on me every night. Eventually, 1945 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:10.359 Rhino Records put together a compilation of old wrestling music. Yeah, 1946 01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:12.920 it wasn't eventually, Jimmy. It was actually I think pretty 1947 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:14.880 much at the same time or even slightly before the 1948 01:50:14.960 --> 01:50:18.680 release of the wrestling album called Wrestling Rocks. They included 1949 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:20.840 Son of a Gypsy, which is one of Jimmy Hart's 1950 01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:22.960 songs and ever since, no matter where I've worked, my 1951 01:50:23.079 --> 01:50:26.039 music's been on every wrestling album. JJ McGuire, who co 1952 01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:27.680 wrote a lot of my wrestling stuff, was in my 1953 01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.399 second group of Gentries. My booking agency had called me 1954 01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:32.119 when I was looking to put together that band and 1955 01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:33.840 said they had a guy who could play just about 1956 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.880 anything bass and drums and keyboards that would be perfect 1957 01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:38.960 for the band. I hired him right away and he 1958 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:41.159 stayed with me through the years. Everything had come full 1959 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.239 circle from the Gentries to wrestling and in a way 1960 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:48.039 back again. You didn't Nikolai Volkov's grandfather was an opera singer. 1961 01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:51.800 Boss I did not know that as you see him 1962 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:53.960 belt out the opera here on the wrestling album, don't 1963 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:56.600 you Yeah? Yeah you do? You do? You impressed? As 1964 01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:03.520 an Italian man? Uh, you know, he's fine. I don't know, 1965 01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:06.960 like it's not not the finest sound we've ever heard 1966 01:51:07.000 --> 01:51:09.199 come out of his mouth. No, No, I think I 1967 01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:09.920 know what that would be. 1968 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:17.840 You're not exactly operatic, but it's uh, you know, he's fine. 1969 01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:20.119 You know, he's got he's got that kind of like 1970 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:25.039 you know, this is what an opera singer is. Supposed 1971 01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:28.640 to sound like hard or horror horr, you know, like 1972 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:34.159 like creating an operatic sound when it's like okay that 1973 01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:35.920 you know, you don't really have that talent. 1974 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:43.199 Yeah, yeah, you're like you're like mimicking it almost right, right, 1975 01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.520 he tells. The author of the oral history piece, does 1976 01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:49.560 Nikolai Volkov. My grandfather was an opera singer, and I 1977 01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:52.840 like classical music myself. My grandfather took me to his 1978 01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:55.000 teacher for a singing lesson, but I see all my 1979 01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:58.520 friends outside swimming in summertime. One lesson was enough for 1980 01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:00.279 me because he wanted to swim. I guess what he's 1981 01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:02.760 trying to say in his somewhat broken English. I still 1982 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:05.079 feel good going into the studio after David told me 1983 01:52:05.159 --> 01:52:07.359 to sing Karameia, even though I have one day to 1984 01:52:07.439 --> 01:52:09.479 learn it, the guy said, do it again, do it again. 1985 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:11.479 We did it ten times to get the timing in 1986 01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:14.239 the tempo. They had present professionals who knew what to do. 1987 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:16.359 So on Karamia, I think I did a good job. 1988 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:19.960 As for Grab Them Cakes, that was a song that 1989 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:23.239 David Wolf had written in the disco days of the 1990 01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:26.279 early seventies or the late seventies. Rather you know. 1991 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.119 I actually, you know, it's a good song. Yeah, it's 1992 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:35.439 pretty good. I like a good funk song, so it 1993 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:39.359 was fun. There's plenty of boooo right there. Yeah, it's 1994 01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:41.760 got a nice little, you know, bassline going. 1995 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.199 Do you know who his co singer is in that song? 1996 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.239 Have you heard of Vicky Sue Robinson? I don't know her. 1997 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.039 She's on stage with Junkyard Dog in the eighty sixth Lamies, 1998 01:52:50.239 --> 01:52:52.039 which is actually more of a coup than you would think. 1999 01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:55.479 Have you ever heard turn the Beat Around? Oh? Yeah, 2000 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:58.000 that's her. That's her. It's her, no shit, okay. And 2001 01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.600 she performed with the Junkyard Dog here on the Wrestling 2002 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:06.199 album and on the Slammies. Yes, she had quite a 2003 01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:09.000 career beyond that, but that was really her her number 2004 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:11.239 one hit and as mentioned, don't go messing with the 2005 01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:15.159 Country Boy. This was penned by, according to the oral 2006 01:53:15.239 --> 01:53:17.760 History piece, two pedigreed songwriters by the name of Marshall 2007 01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:23.159 Chapman and Doc Pomus, and it's still as of recently. 2008 01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:24.800 I don't know if it's still the case to this day, 2009 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:27.520 but as of just a few years ago it would 2010 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:29.760 still play all the time on Serious XM as the 2011 01:53:29.880 --> 01:53:32.920 opening song for a serious XM show called Moonshine Matinee 2012 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:36.079 Really Yep, which is a weekly serious XM radio show 2013 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:39.000 hosted by one of the two authors of the song. 2014 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:41.239 And that's got to be Wow, Why this one's all 2015 01:53:41.319 --> 01:53:42.239 tied up in weirdness? 2016 01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:42.520 You know? 2017 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:45.880 Yeah, they must own that one. And if grab them 2018 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.159 cakes has the woman from Turn the Beat Around on it. 2019 01:53:48.720 --> 01:53:51.600 I'm sure she got herself some rights too. I mean, 2020 01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:54.760 I guess I just maybe, you know, go and use it, 2021 01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:57.279 use it on the slammies, use it on the album. 2022 01:53:57.720 --> 01:54:02.199 But like Forever More on, you know, a million entrances 2023 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:04.399 of the Hillbilly Jim and the Godwins across your entire 2024 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:06.319 video catalog? Do you have to pay for that? You 2025 01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:09.560 know that wasn't contemplated by the original deal. That's my guess. 2026 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:12.039 It's just kind of funny, like you know, I mean, 2027 01:54:12.199 --> 01:54:15.520 I know that it constantly costs money, as you know, 2028 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:21.399 but it just seems weird, like you'd think, I don't know, 2029 01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:25.880 they used it throughout the fucking nineties, right, Like you'd think, like, no, 2030 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:27.800 I'm not going to do that either, you know, why 2031 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:28.119 do it? 2032 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:28.359 Then? 2033 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:28.600 Like? 2034 01:54:28.680 --> 01:54:29.039 What is it? 2035 01:54:30.840 --> 01:54:31.000 Then? 2036 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:36.000 On weekly television but now that it's streaming, and you know, 2037 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:40.680 from when I've gathered, streaming royalties are significantly less, yes, 2038 01:54:41.439 --> 01:54:45.800 than you know, broadcast royalties. So like just how to understand, Like, 2039 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:49.720 what's what's the big deal? Yeah, so I'm sure there's 2040 01:54:49.720 --> 01:54:51.720 gonna be some other kind of always assume that it's 2041 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:53.840 just she didn't complain about it until later. You know, 2042 01:54:54.720 --> 01:54:56.800 they just did it for years without her ever complaining 2043 01:54:56.840 --> 01:54:59.279 and then somehow that hit into it unless she Yeah, 2044 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:02.840 I don't know, Well, it's really it's country Boys that 2045 01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:04.720 I'm talking about. Country Boys has played a lot more 2046 01:55:04.760 --> 01:55:06.479 than grab them ass cakes? 2047 01:55:06.520 --> 01:55:10.079 Hey, Yeah, what are the cakes anyway? And that's song 2048 01:55:10.159 --> 01:55:13.239 I don't ten know, Like are they is it ass cheeks? 2049 01:55:13.319 --> 01:55:13.359 Like? 2050 01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:16.000 Is it actual cakes? Are we grabbing cakes? I mean 2051 01:55:16.039 --> 01:55:18.680 looking at Junkyard Dog's waistline the Junk Food Dog in 2052 01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:19.640 nineteen eighty five, and. 2053 01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:22.880 He listen, listen, listen, he ain't grabbing them. He's just 2054 01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:28.239 devouring them cakes. Grab them Swiss cake rolls, right, but yes, 2055 01:55:29.279 --> 01:55:32.239 grab them cockcas Till Billy Jim tells the author of 2056 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:35.560 the oral history piece, I'm from the South, so I 2057 01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:37.520 learned to play guitar and sing at nine years old, 2058 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:39.800 way back when I would go out and do little gigs. 2059 01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:41.479 I didn't enjoy the hassle of it all that much, 2060 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.319 so I didn't stick with it. But the background helped 2061 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:45.760 me both of my careers, wrestling and radio. Yeah, he 2062 01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:48.159 wanted to be a radio hosted hill Willi Jim did 2063 01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:48.520 he really? 2064 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:50.439 Yeah? He would actually be. I think on that Moonshine 2065 01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:53.399 Matinee'd be involved in that. I'm happy I came along 2066 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:55.520 at the right time. He says, if you missed the sixties, 2067 01:55:55.560 --> 01:55:57.800 you've got a hole in your musical soul. Point is, 2068 01:55:57.800 --> 01:55:59.439 I've been a big music fan my whole life. So 2069 01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:01.319 the first time I read the lyrics they sent me 2070 01:56:01.399 --> 01:56:03.720 for Don't Go Messing with a Country Boy, I said, 2071 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:05.439 oh man, this sucks. I don't want to do this. 2072 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:09.840 It's hokey as hell. That was the whole point, Jim, 2073 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:12.840 of the whole fucking thing, right, And here, in a 2074 01:56:12.880 --> 01:56:15.600 Shoots interview he did years later with Hannibal, He'll Billy 2075 01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:17.640 Jim reflex on you know, as as goofy as it 2076 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:20.640 might have been, this w F music experiment put some 2077 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:25.000 trophies on his wall that some really great musicians never had. 2078 01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:27.560 The first song that I did, that don't go messing 2079 01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:28.600 with a country boys song. 2080 01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:30.520 I did part of that in New York and I 2081 01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:33.479 finished it with a great late producer, Joel dorn Over 2082 01:56:33.600 --> 01:56:36.760 in Philadelphia, and they had the band on there that 2083 01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:39.000 played it was Joel Wiseburn and Deliverance. 2084 01:56:39.319 --> 01:56:41.560 You know, there was a great movie out called Deliverance. 2085 01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:43.119 Yeah, years ago were Reynolds and. 2086 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:48.520 U and John Boyd and that song. Yeah, that's the 2087 01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:50.479 same wow, same guy did that. They're the ones who 2088 01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:53.880 did the track on me. And of course Marshall Marshall Chapman, 2089 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:54.960 she's the one who wrote it. 2090 01:56:55.159 --> 01:56:55.720 Her and U. 2091 01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:58.319 Maybe Shelf Silverstein had something to do with. 2092 01:56:58.359 --> 01:56:59.039 It in Nashville. 2093 01:57:00.199 --> 01:57:02.119 But it's funny how those things happen. I mean, you know, 2094 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:05.359 with and with studios and stuff like that. There's a 2095 01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:07.600 lot of that going. You never even see those things. 2096 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:09.960 Assistant was kind of a one off thing that I 2097 01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:12.600 just had a dream about. You you know, that waking 2098 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:14.039 up along thing. It's kind of a little cool thing 2099 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:17.600 about the road. I didn't enjoy it as much, of course, 2100 01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:19.920 as I did that don'tal message country boy thing, because 2101 01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:21.000 I heard it all the time and it was my 2102 01:57:21.079 --> 01:57:22.920 theme thing, you know, all over the world with that, 2103 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:25.520 and he had that, he'll be a Jim Temple thing. 2104 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.159 You knew what was happening, you know. 2105 01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:35.359 And it's funny how people get those things. It's funny. 2106 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:39.039 I've often been around the country like we do, and 2107 01:57:39.439 --> 01:57:41.560 you know, when you're got you go eat at night, 2108 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:44.159 maybe if there's a little restaurant there and a little lounge, 2109 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:48.039 you go in and see acts and musicians and entertainers, 2110 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:50.640 and you find just find sometimes around the country you 2111 01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:53.720 find some of the greatest entertainers that are just struggling 2112 01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:56.319 a little funny far away towns that you never go to. 2113 01:57:57.039 --> 01:57:59.039 And then you and I'll be thinking, you know, set 2114 01:57:59.680 --> 01:58:03.520 here I am. I've got two gold records for songs 2115 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:05.840 that I did on those wrestling album wrestling albums and 2116 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:09.720 Pile Driver on Epic records on my wall and home, 2117 01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:11.199 and here are these great musicians. 2118 01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:14.479 These guys are playing and singing and and they'll never 2119 01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:16.600 even get a look at It's all about being the 2120 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:17.720 right place at the right time. 2121 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:19.720 Right the fan. 2122 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:43.920 Wrestling podcast, He's Fan Wrestling Podcast. 2123 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:48.119 With Jack and well, at least he gets it. At 2124 01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:51.479 least he's not claiming here it was a musical genius. Yeah, yeah, 2125 01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:53.399 that must burn your ass if you work your ass 2126 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:53.800 off in. 2127 01:58:53.880 --> 01:58:58.720 Music along idiots. I mean, I'm that's gonna be the 2128 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:01.800 way for anybody. I mean, you know, I mean, I'm sure, 2129 01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:04.399 I'm sure with the with the wrestlers, it probably hit 2130 01:59:04.439 --> 01:59:07.359 a little bit harder. But I mean, you can I 2131 01:59:07.399 --> 01:59:14.520 can imagine any kind of journeyman performer or musician just 2132 01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:16.640 trying their fucking hardest and then all of a sudden, 2133 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:20.079 some fucking one hit wonder comes out and ugh, you know, 2134 01:59:20.960 --> 01:59:23.000 it's like gonna be miserable, not even. 2135 01:59:22.880 --> 01:59:24.680 One who wonder. Like these guys are any musicians, They're 2136 01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:26.640 like being forced Well I know I'm saying this is 2137 01:59:26.680 --> 01:59:29.520 gonna but I'm what I was trying to say is 2138 01:59:29.560 --> 01:59:33.880 that I'm sure it's not uncommon for musicians to kind 2139 01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:37.760 of like feel that way, but it must hurt a 2140 01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:40.920 little extra when these bozos do it. Right. Yeah, they're 2141 01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:43.880 being ushered into the music business. They're not even like 2142 01:59:44.119 --> 01:59:47.439 trying and like landing on a hit because they're goofballs, right, 2143 01:59:47.560 --> 01:59:49.760 They're being forced to show up at a studio and 2144 01:59:50.079 --> 01:59:51.800 lay down a track that they don't even want to do. 2145 01:59:52.640 --> 01:59:55.119 And that's one of the biggest records of nineteen eighty five, 2146 01:59:55.479 --> 01:59:58.439 and that goes double gold in Canada. And like he said, 2147 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.199 he's got he's got old records on his wall. And 2148 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:04.680 can you imagine, you know, the caliber of musical talent 2149 02:00:04.720 --> 02:00:07.239 that wasn't able to get that, And there's goofy ass. 2150 02:00:07.319 --> 02:00:16.600 Hillbilly Jim. Here's one of the writers of the song, 2151 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:19.960 recounting a conversation with his co author or her co author. 2152 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:22.000 I think it is uh yeah, in her memoir it's 2153 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:24.560 called Goodbye Little Rock and Roller. I've got just the 2154 02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.840 right person standing right here in my apartment. She's a 2155 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.399 terrific songwriter. Yeah, from Nashville, knows all about country music. Yeah, 2156 02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:33.399 no problem, Okay. After hanging up the phone, Poem has 2157 02:00:33.439 --> 02:00:35.680 turned to Chapman and said, you're not gonna believe the shit. 2158 02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:38.680 They're wanting a song for some wrestler, a guy named 2159 02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:42.439 Hillbilly Jim. It's Cindy Lauper's people. They're doing an album 2160 02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:45.920 of singing wrestlers. They've got Hulk Hogan and everybody, but 2161 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.479 they want a theme song for this Hillbilly Jim guy. 2162 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:51.920 Something you shoot me in the head please, something like 2163 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:54.960 fucking kill Me the Ballad of Davy Crockett, and I 2164 02:00:55.199 --> 02:00:57.359 went and listened to the Ballad of Davy Crockett, and 2165 02:00:57.359 --> 02:01:01.560 I can definitely hear the influence. Yep, you up for it. 2166 02:01:02.279 --> 02:01:05.560 We wrote it, Chapman says, in like fifteen minutes. Oh, 2167 02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:08.199 I spent that long on it. Don't go messing with 2168 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:11.840 a country boy. They wanted to go messing with a 2169 02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:15.600 country bitch. Yes, he'll billy. Jim was pissed actually because 2170 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:17.119 he thought he kind of came off like a hillbilly 2171 02:01:17.159 --> 02:01:19.520 bitch in the song. He says, Marshall Chapman didn't know 2172 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:22.319 me from a monkey and a damn zoo. She just 2173 02:01:22.359 --> 02:01:24.279 happened to walk through the door. That's how it happened. 2174 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:26.640 I bet more big things started out Kookie than you'd 2175 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:30.680 ever believe. So he's definitely Marshall Chapman, who he's calling 2176 02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:33.840 a monkey and a damn zoo, is somebody that definitely 2177 02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:36.279 has something to do with why he doesn't have writes 2178 02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:39.399 to the song because he's very sour about Marshall in 2179 02:01:39.479 --> 02:01:42.560 this interview. That's really funny. Chapman says they wanted a 2180 02:01:42.600 --> 02:01:45.800 theme song for a wrestler in bib overalls. I didn't 2181 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:48.840 watch wrestling, so I just wanted the Davy crocketty idea, 2182 02:01:49.079 --> 02:01:51.159 a backstory, killed a bear when he was only three, 2183 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:53.439 et cetera. I also thought of the old folks song 2184 02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:55.279 about John Henry, about how strong he was, so I 2185 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:57.359 wrote the lyric. When I was a little bit boy baby, 2186 02:01:57.439 --> 02:02:00.199 I cut my teeth on a big old tree. He'll 2187 02:02:00.239 --> 02:02:03.680 billy Jim, He'll billy Gims. H'll billy Jim. Still gives 2188 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:06.079 me shit about that line, but it scanned well. He'll 2189 02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:08.760 billy Jim. My character was a big old guy from 2190 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:11.079 mudliy Kentucky who wasn't supposed to be sharp or worldly. 2191 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.279 I didn't have fancy moves. I had a gimmick. I'm 2192 02:02:13.319 --> 02:02:15.920 a country boy. I read the sophomoric lyrics and knew 2193 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.039 what they were doing. There was one good part. They 2194 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:20.159 got the guy who played the fiddle and Deliverance do 2195 02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:22.359 my music. So I went in and did my thing. 2196 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.239 Hill Billy said, I gotta have fiddles in her memoir. 2197 02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:29.439 I like how that's exciting. The guy who fucking did 2198 02:02:29.479 --> 02:02:32.199 the deliverance theme or whatever. 2199 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:33.039 That's not cool to you. 2200 02:02:34.720 --> 02:02:39.079 I mean, it wouldn't, it wouldn't I wouldn't care, like 2201 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:41.840 I don't know, Like I don't know, that wouldn't be 2202 02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:45.560 a big deal to me, like having I mean, listen, 2203 02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:48.359 I guess it would be cool, but I wouldn't probably 2204 02:02:48.439 --> 02:02:50.880 make notice. Like if I did a song and the 2205 02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:56.079 trumpet player who did the Godfather theme fucking like I 2206 02:02:56.319 --> 02:02:57.680 was like, Oh, that's pretty cool, but I'm like, I 2207 02:02:57.720 --> 02:03:00.960 don't I don't think i'd make note of that. I 2208 02:03:01.079 --> 02:03:03.039 was like, you know, I would only tell people who 2209 02:03:04.199 --> 02:03:06.680 you know, I can tell my dad that story because it's. 2210 02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:12.600 Like because it's almost funny now, because yeah, right right, 2211 02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:16.279 Like I don't know, it's a weird thing to almost 2212 02:03:16.359 --> 02:03:19.880 brag about, right. And her memoir, Chapman said Poem has 2213 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:22.520 told her it sounds real stupid. We'll probably make a 2214 02:03:22.560 --> 02:03:28.800 shitload of money, Billy Jim. As years went by, I realized, 2215 02:03:28.840 --> 02:03:30.600 don't go message to the country Boy is the wrong 2216 02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:32.600 chord for me. I think it was a lo G 2217 02:03:32.920 --> 02:03:33.520 should have been. 2218 02:03:33.439 --> 02:03:33.640 A d. 2219 02:03:35.239 --> 02:03:40.119 How about an F Here's the director of the Land 2220 02:03:40.159 --> 02:03:41.960 of a Thousand Dances, which is the video with all 2221 02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:44.079 the wrestlers. They perform it at the end of the Slammys, 2222 02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:46.119 but they had a video come out before that of 2223 02:03:46.239 --> 02:03:49.520 them doing it, and they play it on the Slamy 2224 02:03:49.560 --> 02:03:53.439 Awards broadcast as well. His name is Ed Grillis. He says, 2225 02:03:53.720 --> 02:03:55.760 I worked with Cyndi Laupper for a long time, going 2226 02:03:55.840 --> 02:03:58.479 back to her band Blue Angel. I directed the videos 2227 02:03:58.479 --> 02:04:00.520 for Girls Just Want to Have Fun. She bop in 2228 02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:03.079 time after time. So yeah, the guy who did the 2229 02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.640 Land of a Thousand Dances WWF wrestling album video did 2230 02:04:05.760 --> 02:04:07.920 Girls Just Want to Have Fun and time after time 2231 02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:10.560 as well. Okay, I had my own connection to wrestling 2232 02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:12.600 apart from that, I spent six months tried to get. 2233 02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:16.680 But I guess I mean, I wonder why Land of 2234 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:19.640 a Thousand Dances. Yeah, of all the songs, weird song, 2235 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:22.920 of all the songs to cover, it's a weird song 2236 02:04:23.039 --> 02:04:23.399 to cover. 2237 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:29.079 That's weird. But like I mean, I don't know. To me, 2238 02:04:29.159 --> 02:04:31.279 that's just not one that I would have thought of 2239 02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:35.199 to cover. It does have that kind of like, you know, 2240 02:04:35.319 --> 02:04:37.560 it sets up nicely for like a huge ensemble because 2241 02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:41.640 like everyone can come in with like the wrestling funs. Yeah, 2242 02:04:42.079 --> 02:04:45.399 on each it is weird, like it is weird. Oh 2243 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:46.079 it's great, I like it. 2244 02:04:46.319 --> 02:04:46.680 I like it. 2245 02:04:46.880 --> 02:04:49.800 Nah no, no, no, no, I love that song, but 2246 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:53.439 it's it's just a weird. I don't know, it's weird 2247 02:04:53.520 --> 02:04:55.199 to me that that would be a song that they 2248 02:04:55.239 --> 02:04:56.000 would choose. 2249 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:58.279 Right, Yeah, there's not quite clarity on how that song 2250 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:00.960 ended up being these songs for the moment, but yeah, 2251 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:03.000 I agree with you, it did click into place. And 2252 02:05:03.119 --> 02:05:05.000 you know when you were reading that article about what 2253 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:07.520 was hot music in nineteen eighty five and they mentioned 2254 02:05:07.560 --> 02:05:09.239 we are the world, That's what I think of when 2255 02:05:09.239 --> 02:05:11.800 I see this, right, you know, putting all those music 2256 02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:13.039 stars together in one stage. 2257 02:05:15.279 --> 02:05:18.560 I don't understand what the they change the title to 2258 02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:22.520 with adding a question mark, and two I don't understand 2259 02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:24.479 why they do that, Like what the purpose of that was? 2260 02:05:24.800 --> 02:05:27.119 Question mark for a land of a thousand for lant 2261 02:05:27.159 --> 02:05:31.079 of thousand dances? They like they they they technically changed 2262 02:05:31.159 --> 02:05:35.399 the title by adding a question that he goes land 2263 02:05:35.439 --> 02:05:39.760 of a thousand dances question mark exclamation point, exclamation point, 2264 02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:40.520 question mark. 2265 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:43.479 That is so weird. I don't know what that does 2266 02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:45.680 to the song. Well described me the state of my 2267 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.199 fucking psychology when I'm listening to the song, right, my 2268 02:05:49.319 --> 02:05:53.199 guess that's probably it ed grills, The director writes, I 2269 02:05:53.279 --> 02:05:55.199 spent six months trying to get Vince McMahon to work 2270 02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:59.159 on a movie with me, a movie with me. He 2271 02:05:59.279 --> 02:06:01.359 finally agreed, and we went to all the major Hollywood 2272 02:06:01.359 --> 02:06:03.279 studios trying to get them to do a wrestling film. 2273 02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:05.520 We tried for a couple of years. It wasn't happening, 2274 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:09.039 but it was another project we explored in The Madness. Wow, 2275 02:06:09.279 --> 02:06:10.800 I don't want that would be like I wonder what 2276 02:06:10.960 --> 02:06:13.000 he do, because you know, it would be just another 2277 02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:15.319 like marketing thing. It would it wouldn't be like a 2278 02:06:15.439 --> 02:06:18.119 really serious movie. It would just be like Hulk Hogan 2279 02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:21.039 and a million other wrestlers are forced into a script 2280 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:25.720 that got written. I mean, no holds barred. Yeah, probably, Yeah, 2281 02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:29.239 that's probably it. Dave Wolf says for the album, I 2282 02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:31.359 got clearance to rewrite the verses of Land of a 2283 02:06:31.439 --> 02:06:34.119 Thousand Dancers. I wrote all the lines and pre arranged 2284 02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:37.039 wrestlers to record backstage at a match. We curtained off 2285 02:06:37.079 --> 02:06:39.399 a studio and I brought them in one time, one 2286 02:06:39.439 --> 02:06:41.399 at a time to sing. This was the track that 2287 02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:44.359 called for a video at Girls Remembers. It was actually 2288 02:06:44.359 --> 02:06:47.199 shot in Poughkeepsie, which was a regular stop for WWAF 2289 02:06:47.239 --> 02:06:49.239 at the time. Of course, they at the mid Hudson 2290 02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:51.479 Civic Center where they started taping a lot of their 2291 02:06:51.479 --> 02:06:54.439 television in at eighty six and arena, he says, where 2292 02:06:54.439 --> 02:06:56.640 I believe there was a WAF card the following night. 2293 02:06:56.880 --> 02:06:58.000 There was a lot of work on the day of 2294 02:06:58.039 --> 02:06:59.840 the shoot. We had the morning and afternoon to set 2295 02:06:59.880 --> 02:07:02.359 out wrestler close ups and stuff like that before bringing 2296 02:07:02.399 --> 02:07:04.239 in the live audience for that night for the shoot. 2297 02:07:04.920 --> 02:07:07.439 And there's actually a ticket stub, Brother, what I know? 2298 02:07:08.199 --> 02:07:11.840 I can't agree more. Actually, it's really concerning that they're 2299 02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:14.600 bringing all these fans in for a shoot, Like, what 2300 02:07:15.079 --> 02:07:17.479 fu You don't run that by all Cogan? Yeah? Right, 2301 02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:20.960 all these people here for a what brother, a shoot 2302 02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:27.600 of all the things? What do you buller? So wow, 2303 02:07:28.760 --> 02:07:31.800 there's actually and shout outs to Matt for finding this, 2304 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:35.159 there's a ticket stub from ticket Tron that's out there 2305 02:07:35.399 --> 02:07:40.399 that someone saved of reporting as an extra for the 2306 02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:44.359 UH for the Land of a Thousand Dances video shoot. Yeah, 2307 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:47.760 that's kind of one piece of e femera that exists. 2308 02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:49.960 You can take a look there if you'd like, But 2309 02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:51.920 there it is. Yeah, Mid Hudson Civic Center. What they 2310 02:07:52.000 --> 02:07:56.239 called Mayor m Ai R Hall wrestling video shoot first 2311 02:07:56.439 --> 02:08:00.399 twenty five admitted. And so we know because of this 2312 02:08:00.479 --> 02:08:03.319 ticket stub that the Land of a Thousand Dances video 2313 02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:08.199 was shot on October second, nineteen eighty five. That's wild, 2314 02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:09.680 it is. That's what you needed to get in. So 2315 02:08:09.800 --> 02:08:12.119 some extra hung on to his ticket and ended up 2316 02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:14.760 on the on the internet. But yeah, that was the thing. 2317 02:08:14.840 --> 02:08:18.479 These guys were so fucking busy and ticket Dron. Ticket 2318 02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:21.840 trona know what what a dated business that is the 2319 02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:24.600 fucking I mean with the fucking uh, like the. 2320 02:08:27.279 --> 02:08:30.800 Uh and the logo with all the fucking like first 2321 02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:33.319 of all the rainbow colors and then you get all 2322 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:35.760 the uh. I don't know, I look like repeat letters. 2323 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:38.640 I don't recall that. But it's like Ticketron is like 2324 02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:39.800 flying towards you that. 2325 02:08:42.039 --> 02:08:49.720 Ticket drawn right, yes, where you get yeah, some noise 2326 02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:53.920 like that, Yeah, God, ticket drawn, the tickets for the future. 2327 02:08:54.000 --> 02:08:57.000 It's like you just started your your fucking uh I 2328 02:08:57.039 --> 02:08:59.279 don't know, like started Tetris on the Atari. 2329 02:09:01.000 --> 02:09:05.000 So get your tickets, got your tickets for tomorrow. Your 2330 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:09.680 ticket to tomorrow is today, ticket Dron. 2331 02:09:10.119 --> 02:09:11.840 The way he says the Land of a Thousand dances 2332 02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:13.960 video was supposed to unfold, was an idea that would 2333 02:09:13.960 --> 02:09:16.720 work one time after that the audience would know what 2334 02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:18.760 was coming. So we shot it once and it played. 2335 02:09:18.800 --> 02:09:21.439 Yeah that's true. If it all breaks down, Yeah, the 2336 02:09:21.880 --> 02:09:24.319 breaking Kfe brother this a huge fight. Yeah, that's crazy. 2337 02:09:24.359 --> 02:09:26.800 There was an audience there like that. But these guys 2338 02:09:26.840 --> 02:09:28.920 were flying all over the place so much that like 2339 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:30.479 you had to do it in one shot. You didn't 2340 02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:32.720 have more than six hours with these guys before they 2341 02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:34.479 had to make the next town. And this is the 2342 02:09:34.560 --> 02:09:37.960 era where like they were so clueless about like how 2343 02:09:38.079 --> 02:09:41.119 ragged they were running these wrestlers. Right as Vince tries 2344 02:09:41.159 --> 02:09:43.199 to cut into all these new markets that he'd never 2345 02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:45.560 been to before, WWF had really never been to. Like 2346 02:09:45.640 --> 02:09:47.079 the week of this whole thing, they were in New 2347 02:09:47.199 --> 02:09:49.840 Orleans for the first time, trying to fuck with Bill Watts, 2348 02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:51.920 who's still in business down there. But they're bringing the Dog. 2349 02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:55.479 They're bringing Junkyard Dog to New Orleans, of course, absolutely, 2350 02:09:55.640 --> 02:09:57.600 like they brought Hogan and Jean and the rest and 2351 02:09:57.680 --> 02:10:01.279 then Jesse Ventura to Minneapolis, you know the playbook. Yeah, 2352 02:10:01.279 --> 02:10:04.920 and uh, with no real consideration for like the wear 2353 02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:07.399 and tear on these guys with no rest and no 2354 02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:11.159 chance to fucking by the by, like, you know, four six, 2355 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:13.880 eight weeks of this, you're like you can't even walk, 2356 02:10:14.079 --> 02:10:15.600 you know, like you don't even know where you are, 2357 02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:18.760 you don't know what city you're in. You're deprived of sleep, 2358 02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:20.520 you're just especially if you're a guy who had a 2359 02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:22.880 routine in the business before this, yep, yeah, and you 2360 02:10:23.039 --> 02:10:26.920 can't like you don't have that decompression period anymore. These 2361 02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:29.039 guys are getting fucked up, and they were taking a 2362 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:31.319 lot of things to get up so that they could 2363 02:10:31.399 --> 02:10:34.439 keep earning, because this is money like they'd never seen before. Sure, 2364 02:10:34.479 --> 02:10:36.479 you can't just go and sit out when all of 2365 02:10:36.520 --> 02:10:38.560 a sudden, WWF seen to it that you're making like 2366 02:10:38.640 --> 02:10:40.520 ten times which you ever made for a wrestling match, 2367 02:10:40.680 --> 02:10:42.399 and then all these extra checks are coming in for 2368 02:10:42.439 --> 02:10:44.720 all this extra shit, you better fucking be there. It 2369 02:10:44.760 --> 02:10:46.279 doesn't matter what you got to put in your system 2370 02:10:46.319 --> 02:10:50.479 to be there. Goddamn right, get those ivs, you stupid bitch, 2371 02:10:50.640 --> 02:10:53.239 Get out there. You're going to pass up this opportunity. 2372 02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:56.199 Come on, damn, you're making real money to a fake 2373 02:10:56.279 --> 02:10:59.359 sport and you're complaining. Make my fucking on the plane, 2374 02:10:59.520 --> 02:11:02.720 piece of shit, sh get on the fire. God. I 2375 02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:06.279 haven't slept in seventy eight hours. You know what, I 2376 02:11:06.319 --> 02:11:08.359 haven't slept in three years? To have as a fuck? 2377 02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:13.359 Who gives up? I don't get a ship. I'm not here. 2378 02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:19.279 Come on, man, you want to get listen? You want 2379 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:22.800 to keep your job? Right? You want to stay employed? 2380 02:11:23.960 --> 02:11:28.760 Do you need me to fuck you up? I will 2381 02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:32.079 kill you right now. I have no problem doing it. 2382 02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:38.560 Kill you for complaining killing I have no problem doing it. 2383 02:11:39.319 --> 02:11:42.920 And then I'll kill your family with my bare hands. 2384 02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:51.119 I'll destroy you. Get your fat ass up there. Complain 2385 02:11:51.199 --> 02:11:57.840 to me about sleep. I don't sleep by choice, So 2386 02:11:57.960 --> 02:12:02.159 why don't you suck it up before I kick you 2387 02:12:02.239 --> 02:12:07.800 in the ball? Take your mother's life? About that? I 2388 02:12:07.920 --> 02:12:10.800 have your mother. I have your mother's phone number on 2389 02:12:10.960 --> 02:12:16.119 speed dial, and I will call her and I will say, listen, ma'am, 2390 02:12:17.560 --> 02:12:26.039 I'm coming over to kill you. Be prepared, right. How 2391 02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:33.239 does that make you feel? M mmm? You're getting hungry 2392 02:12:33.359 --> 02:12:37.079 for that success? Are you going to continue being a bitch? 2393 02:12:37.239 --> 02:12:39.000 You see the opportunity I'm putting in front of you. 2394 02:12:39.800 --> 02:12:44.840 I'm giving you ever seen money, and you're complaining to 2395 02:12:44.960 --> 02:12:54.319 me about sleep. You're a fucking prick, a piece of shit. 2396 02:12:54.439 --> 02:12:56.239 What's going to happen if you don't do what I 2397 02:12:56.319 --> 02:12:59.159 say going forward? If you don't do what I say, 2398 02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:07.560 if you don't listen, if you don't follow every single instruction, 2399 02:13:10.000 --> 02:13:17.760 I will devour your life. I will rip it to shreds, 2400 02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:23.479 I will shit it out my ass, and I'll flush 2401 02:13:23.520 --> 02:13:27.680 it down the toilet, and I won't think twice about it. 2402 02:13:29.520 --> 02:13:33.720 I don't need you. I don't need you at all. 2403 02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:40.840 You're just a seat filler. I'll get someone else to 2404 02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:41.039 do it. 2405 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:41.479 You need. 2406 02:13:41.680 --> 02:13:46.000 The wrestling album is what you need. You need the wrestling. 2407 02:13:46.039 --> 02:13:49.000 Anybody else on this planet whatever. Put you in a 2408 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:51.840 studio pal and put you on to think anybody would 2409 02:13:51.840 --> 02:13:57.720 give you a legitimate career doing anything. No, I am 2410 02:13:57.840 --> 02:14:02.000 giving you opportunity. But I don't need to give you 2411 02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:05.800 an opportunity. I could walk out there in the street 2412 02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:09.520 and grab some asshole and say, get in here and 2413 02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:15.359 be him, because I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna murder him, 2414 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:20.680 so I want you to be him. It's that simple. 2415 02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:27.199 You're not replaceable, and I'll forget you ever existed. Get 2416 02:14:27.319 --> 02:14:34.159 up there and sing, sing, bitch, god, Dad, are you 2417 02:14:34.199 --> 02:14:37.199 afraid of Come on, man, are you afraid of success? 2418 02:14:39.079 --> 02:14:41.760 Provided to provide it, he knows when his ship has 2419 02:14:41.800 --> 02:14:48.279 come in Nicola. Despite the existence of that ticket we 2420 02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:51.760 just shared with you, remembers it this way. They forgot 2421 02:14:51.800 --> 02:14:54.039 to advertise for a live audience. A couple of hours 2422 02:14:54.079 --> 02:14:56.399 before the shoot. They sent me in meat loaf who 2423 02:14:56.479 --> 02:14:58.720 was a drummer in the video. No shit. If you 2424 02:14:58.840 --> 02:15:01.720 look on the stage, yeah, totally, that is meat Loaf 2425 02:15:01.920 --> 02:15:05.520 drumming on the land of a thousand. Nance's weird. Nikolai 2426 02:15:05.560 --> 02:15:07.279 Volkoff says, they sent me a meat loaf who was 2427 02:15:07.319 --> 02:15:09.119 a drummer in the video, to a radio station and 2428 02:15:09.199 --> 02:15:11.159 tell people to show up. We did good. It sold out, 2429 02:15:11.319 --> 02:15:16.720 so so was the last minute affair grills. The director says, 2430 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:19.119 when you have fifty heels and fifty baby faces, you're 2431 02:15:19.159 --> 02:15:21.560 going to get a reaction. All the WWF guys did 2432 02:15:21.640 --> 02:15:24.000 whatever they wanted to do. We let them decide. Not 2433 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.199 a surprise, but they totally got into the brawl. We 2434 02:15:26.319 --> 02:15:28.279 had four or five cameras going so we could do 2435 02:15:28.359 --> 02:15:30.560 all those quick cuts. When the melee kicked off, the 2436 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:33.359 crew got their heads bashed in and the wrestlers didn't 2437 02:15:33.399 --> 02:15:35.199 care who was in front of them. I was backstage, 2438 02:15:35.199 --> 02:15:37.520 so I was okay. Dave took a beating. He dug it. 2439 02:15:37.560 --> 02:15:40.960 I'm sure Nikolai Volkoff Cidi Lauper is in the video, 2440 02:15:41.000 --> 02:15:43.000 but she has a wig on while playing guitar. At 2441 02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:45.479 the end, we have a big smash, everybody fights everybody. 2442 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:48.119 She was swinging her guitar and a sharp edge accidentally 2443 02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:51.680 scratched my leg. It started bleeding terribly. I said, Cindy, 2444 02:15:51.720 --> 02:15:53.199 you don't like me too much. Look what you just 2445 02:15:53.279 --> 02:15:56.760 did to my leg. She almost fainted. I felt so bad. 2446 02:15:56.920 --> 02:15:58.880 Wiped the blood off with my hand. Look it's fine. 2447 02:15:58.960 --> 02:16:02.439 I admire her so much. I never forgot that ed Grills. 2448 02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:04.600 I do have one odd memory from the video shoot 2449 02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:08.760 at Leslie, who everyone knows is brutus, Beefcake came up 2450 02:16:08.800 --> 02:16:12.359 to me and said, my name is Eddie too. I 2451 02:16:12.399 --> 02:16:14.039 don't know if, oh, he did not say it like that. 2452 02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:16.640 I don't know if that was supposed to make us 2453 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:21.359 friends or what, but he found that really interesting. What's 2454 02:16:21.439 --> 02:16:26.199 going on here? Come on? Can you picture Beefcake? Her 2455 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:30.640 such a funk? Hey, brother, my my named Eddie two. 2456 02:16:30.800 --> 02:16:37.239 It's crazy Wow. Another Eddie. Wow, s's a not common name. Wow. Man, Yeah, 2457 02:16:37.280 --> 02:16:42.600 that is crazy. So uh hi Ben good? I mean 2458 02:16:42.600 --> 02:16:46.799 I'm just ed, you know, just Eddie. Ah, what do 2459 02:16:46.840 --> 02:16:53.840 you need? I'm busy here. No, I just thought it 2460 02:16:53.920 --> 02:16:55.680 was cool we had the same first name. So I 2461 02:16:55.719 --> 02:16:57.000 guess we're best friends now. 2462 02:17:00.120 --> 02:17:00.319 Yeah? 2463 02:17:00.799 --> 02:17:02.959 Yeah, yeah? 2464 02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:07.280 So where are you from? Kind of busy here where nowhere? 2465 02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:13.559 Not from anywhere, not from not from what you're saying, right, 2466 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:17.280 you know, not from anywhere you need to be. He 2467 02:17:17.399 --> 02:17:19.879 keeps saying we're both named Eddie, and how crazy that is. 2468 02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:21.840 I'm starting to wish you were the Man with No Name. 2469 02:17:30.559 --> 02:17:33.079 We turned to the Memoirs of the Man with No Name, 2470 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:36.200 Brutus beef Cakes book. The music video for Land of 2471 02:17:36.239 --> 02:17:38.200 a Thousand Dances was a who's who of the nineteen 2472 02:17:38.239 --> 02:17:41.879 eighty five WW roster and a recording studios. Downstage, we 2473 02:17:41.959 --> 02:17:45.120 were all wearing our full ring gear. That's so bizarre 2474 02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:48.200 to show up at a set like this listening no 2475 02:17:48.399 --> 02:17:48.799 shirt on. 2476 02:17:50.120 --> 02:17:52.239 We're all wearing a ring. Listen, listen, listen. We need 2477 02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:57.479 to emulate your characterizations on telephone. Hell, so we need 2478 02:17:57.920 --> 02:18:01.479 you need to be in ring gear, and we need 2479 02:18:02.200 --> 02:18:05.680 you know we need to have h you know, you 2480 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:08.840 need to listen right under the lights. All right. We're 2481 02:18:08.879 --> 02:18:13.600 creating music video here, all right. We are entering the 2482 02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:16.959 realm of music video, so we need to be on 2483 02:18:17.079 --> 02:18:25.760 top of shit, all right, ring here music video, that's 2484 02:18:25.840 --> 02:18:30.799 what we're about, all right. Forget what you've done, your 2485 02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:33.879 play up, k fabe the best you can. But remember 2486 02:18:34.239 --> 02:18:40.639 we are here in the music video arena. That's where 2487 02:18:40.680 --> 02:18:43.159 we are. This is not this is not the mid 2488 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:48.159 Hudson Civic Center. This is the the the WWE Music 2489 02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:54.799 Video Center of arena. Welcome to the WWE Music Video Center. 2490 02:18:55.760 --> 02:18:58.520 They have like other shows there that's not wrestling because 2491 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:01.120 it's the Midhountain Civic Center. They have like you know, 2492 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:07.120 Shakespeare and the WWF Video Center called the Music Videos 2493 02:19:07.360 --> 02:19:12.719 Video Center. Ww Coming to the w w F Music 2494 02:19:12.799 --> 02:19:23.319 Video Center. Shane Youn shine up before communism? Did you 2495 02:19:23.440 --> 02:19:26.559 like the Grinch there? And the Christmas time Kevin Hart 2496 02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:32.399 performing at the WWS Video Center. Someone whip up that logo. 2497 02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:36.120 I want one of those Crew T shirts from back 2498 02:19:36.200 --> 02:19:38.959 in the day. The music video for Land of a 2499 02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:41.120 Thousand Dances was a who's who of the ninete eighty 2500 02:19:41.159 --> 02:19:44.000 five w w roster on a recording studio soundstage, Brutus 2501 02:19:44.040 --> 02:19:46.399 Beef kick rights. We were all wearing our full ring gear, 2502 02:19:46.479 --> 02:19:49.399 singing in unison and dancing, Yes, dancing. That little few 2503 02:19:49.399 --> 02:19:51.559 seconds you saw of all of us on screen took me. 2504 02:19:51.879 --> 02:19:54.239 I don't know they call it dancing. It's just sensible 2505 02:19:55.280 --> 02:19:58.879 step touching, you know, it's not. Actually, what more resembles 2506 02:19:58.920 --> 02:20:01.840 dancing is what you guys do in the ring. Yeah, 2507 02:20:01.879 --> 02:20:04.600 that's ballet, isn't that? A little few seconds U saw 2508 02:20:04.600 --> 02:20:06.399 all of us on screen took nearly all day long 2509 02:20:06.479 --> 02:20:08.799 to shoot. It was all laid out to look really chaotic, 2510 02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:10.239 but in reality, it took a lot of work to 2511 02:20:10.280 --> 02:20:13.760 get that look of insanity. You know, hey, Brutus, just 2512 02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:17.079 to let you know. Yet, most people have seen DVD features, 2513 02:20:17.200 --> 02:20:19.239 they know how long shit takes the film. And then 2514 02:20:19.280 --> 02:20:21.719 you had the director right before Brutus saying and actually 2515 02:20:21.760 --> 02:20:23.319 we just let the wrestlers do whatever they want. And 2516 02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:25.360 it didn't take a look at all. Right, it took 2517 02:20:25.440 --> 02:20:27.000 like fifteen minutes as we didn't have a chance to 2518 02:20:27.040 --> 02:20:29.879 do more than one take, because I imagine the drugs 2519 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:32.440 probably made it seem like it was long, absolutely compared 2520 02:20:32.440 --> 02:20:35.440 to how how accustomed they were to getting a quick 2521 02:20:35.479 --> 02:20:38.799 fix back then. By comparison, it seemed long then. Later 2522 02:20:38.920 --> 02:20:40.799 on that night, we were all rushing off to wrestle 2523 02:20:40.840 --> 02:20:43.079 on a show. Rick Darringer was also there on stage 2524 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:45.719 with Sidney Laupper. Sidey. Lauper was in her disguise, probably 2525 02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:47.639 because she didn't want to be associated with such a 2526 02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:51.600 pool of bad talent. I always assume that too. For 2527 02:20:51.719 --> 02:20:53.239 my spot in the video, they had me standing on 2528 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:54.879 the stage right next to meet Love. I thought that 2529 02:20:55.000 --> 02:20:57.200 was just awesome. He was there all positioned on a 2530 02:20:57.319 --> 02:20:59.319 drum set, but he was not really playing the drums. 2531 02:20:59.319 --> 02:21:01.559 He was just there to looked the part. That's interesting. 2532 02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:04.200 I had already been around deren during Cindy and got 2533 02:21:04.239 --> 02:21:05.840 to know them, but I remember seeing meat Loaf was 2534 02:21:05.879 --> 02:21:08.200 really cool. I was kind of a fan. We had Hey, 2535 02:21:08.520 --> 02:21:10.920 you look like me? Is your name Ed? We had 2536 02:21:11.920 --> 02:21:14.440 he does look like meatof doesn't you look like me? 2537 02:21:15.239 --> 02:21:16.239 If your name Ed? 2538 02:21:17.360 --> 02:21:20.280 Meatloaf does kind of look like ed Leslie? Yeah, I 2539 02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:26.079 guess now, But yeah, we had a long day on that. 2540 02:21:26.200 --> 02:21:29.520 I mean, I fucking fucking uh. You know, honey baked 2541 02:21:29.559 --> 02:21:31.120 Ham looks like ed Leslie. 2542 02:21:35.840 --> 02:21:40.399 If a honey baked ham, wore like thirteen silver bracelets 2543 02:21:40.440 --> 02:21:49.399 on his wrist, spikes and skulls and stuff. He gave 2544 02:21:49.479 --> 02:21:52.719 us an interview though fas like Greg Valentine did that 2545 02:21:52.760 --> 02:21:57.719 one time partner oh man, But I remember seeing meat 2546 02:21:57.760 --> 02:21:59.319 loaf was really cool. I was kind of a fan. 2547 02:21:59.399 --> 02:22:01.000 We had a long day that stage, over and over 2548 02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:03.520 and over singing that thing. Santana thought the whole thing 2549 02:22:03.600 --> 02:22:05.200 was ridiculous. I would look over at Hi while the 2550 02:22:05.239 --> 02:22:08.280 group was singing Nana, Nana, Nana. I remember I could 2551 02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:10.520 see him laughing. Oh, should have gotten a cameo, fucking 2552 02:22:10.920 --> 02:22:13.840 fucking Tito. I'm sure we haven't. Da Oh he's his 2553 02:22:13.959 --> 02:22:20.000 cameos have always been so wonderful. This is w w 2554 02:22:20.280 --> 02:22:26.440 F Hall of Famer, Ariba. I have a message here 2555 02:22:27.000 --> 02:22:32.559 for JP. JP. Your friend Jack wanted to know what 2556 02:22:32.719 --> 02:22:34.799 do I remember about shooting the Land of a Thousand 2557 02:22:34.879 --> 02:22:39.639 Dances music video. Well, I remember it was hot that day, 2558 02:22:40.760 --> 02:22:47.200 and I hope you enjoyed this cameo Reba. Well, his 2559 02:22:47.239 --> 02:22:49.079 wife's like, do you want to drink? In the background, 2560 02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:53.040 and we're like getting you know, we're getting a view 2561 02:22:53.440 --> 02:22:58.479 way up his fucking nasal passages. Just like clear shot. 2562 02:23:00.280 --> 02:23:03.440 Oh my goodness, I remember I had a croissant that day, 2563 02:23:04.399 --> 02:23:07.040 and that's it. That's all I remember. I remember we 2564 02:23:07.200 --> 02:23:13.239 filmed that. Hope you enjoyed this cameo. Well, JP, it 2565 02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:14.159 was a thing. 2566 02:23:14.559 --> 02:23:15.159 I'll tell you that. 2567 02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:24.159 It was not nothing, despite what you may think. It 2568 02:23:24.319 --> 02:23:26.440 was a thing that happened. I saw him laughing over 2569 02:23:26.479 --> 02:23:28.280 and over again under his breath and shaking his head. 2570 02:23:28.280 --> 02:23:30.399 Why are you laughing, Tito, I asked him between takes. 2571 02:23:30.559 --> 02:23:32.159 I think I just have a horrible voice to have 2572 02:23:32.239 --> 02:23:34.879 a song on an album, he said, laughing. Every wrestler 2573 02:23:34.920 --> 02:23:37.280 had to film their individual parts separately, and then we 2574 02:23:37.360 --> 02:23:39.440 had to film the group parts as well. Then get 2575 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:41.239 this in the evening at the show, we had to 2576 02:23:41.319 --> 02:23:43.479 perform the bit for the live crowd, even for even 2577 02:23:43.559 --> 02:23:45.639 more footage. For the next two weeks, all I had 2578 02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:47.120 in my head was that stupid riff. 2579 02:23:47.200 --> 02:23:47.799 No no, no, no no. 2580 02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:51.159 Those bastards must have played that song one hundred times 2581 02:23:51.239 --> 02:23:54.159 that day. The music video played everywhere as well. It 2582 02:23:54.280 --> 02:23:57.200 was on MTV NBC's Friday Night Videos, which I was 2583 02:23:57.200 --> 02:24:00.079 a dick. Ever song production Saturday Night's made event. All 2584 02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.079 the w B programming, its reach was surprising and pretty amazing. 2585 02:24:03.360 --> 02:24:05.760 None of the singles received any real heavy radio airplay, 2586 02:24:05.799 --> 02:24:08.440 but the WWF Wrestling Album as a whole reached number 2587 02:24:08.479 --> 02:24:11.319 eighty four on the album sales charts. Kids everywhere owned it. 2588 02:24:11.920 --> 02:24:17.399 Brutus Beefcake calling being on set, Dave Wolf I came 2589 02:24:17.520 --> 02:24:22.399 up with the idea for the Slammies, the first ever 2590 02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:25.319 award show for a single record. I won for the 2591 02:24:25.440 --> 02:24:27.719 Best Executive Producer on the Wrestling Album. I was the 2592 02:24:27.799 --> 02:24:30.000 only one nominated in the category. I'm looking at my 2593 02:24:30.120 --> 02:24:34.920 salammy right now. Browler, who is the drummer, says, all 2594 02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:37.159 the guys came together at the had Factory studio for 2595 02:24:37.239 --> 02:24:39.200 the photo shoot. This is the photo shoot for the 2596 02:24:39.200 --> 02:24:41.840 wrestling album cover. I believe that Brian Penry talk to 2597 02:24:41.959 --> 02:24:44.319 us about when we interviewed him a couple of weeks ago. 2598 02:24:44.680 --> 02:24:48.159 It was incredible, just wall to wall, real live cartoon characters. 2599 02:24:48.399 --> 02:24:51.120 But I heard Hull Cogan and Brutus Beefcake choreographing that 2600 02:24:51.360 --> 02:24:54.719 night's match. I knew it wasn't really real, but Mann 2601 02:24:54.799 --> 02:24:58.159 did my bubble burst. It was entertainment, sure, but listening 2602 02:24:58.200 --> 02:25:00.760 to them planted out totally fucked up up the mystical, 2603 02:25:00.879 --> 02:25:05.159 magical quality wrestling held for me. Boss Vince is getting 2604 02:25:05.239 --> 02:25:07.799 to it and he's dismantling it. Oh my god, he 2605 02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:11.520 doesn't really care at this point. Somebody we heard from 2606 02:25:11.559 --> 02:25:14.280 earlier says our attitude was let's have a blast and 2607 02:25:14.360 --> 02:25:17.120 if we sell records, great, and then we did a 2608 02:25:17.200 --> 02:25:19.520 lot of them. Miss McMahon was supportive from the get go. 2609 02:25:19.959 --> 02:25:21.959 I'm not sure the marketing people at Sony knew what 2610 02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:24.319 to do with him with the Wrestling Album. He was 2611 02:25:24.319 --> 02:25:26.200 a big help in that department. We promoted it on 2612 02:25:26.440 --> 02:25:30.399 WWF shows every Saturday. Lots of cross merchandising. Record stores 2613 02:25:30.440 --> 02:25:32.440 loved it because it brought in young male buyers who 2614 02:25:32.479 --> 02:25:36.639 weren't necessarily music kids. Not necessarily music kids. A wrestling 2615 02:25:36.719 --> 02:25:39.920 fan No, okay, I'll believe that when I see it. 2616 02:25:41.159 --> 02:25:45.600 I don't really like their youth. No, I don't think 2617 02:25:45.760 --> 02:25:48.440 music's really a thing, right, But I gotta boy the 2618 02:25:48.479 --> 02:25:54.120 wrestling home. I bought the Wrestling Album because Brodie Piper 2619 02:25:54.200 --> 02:26:00.920 is a great worker. You know, I I you know, 2620 02:26:01.040 --> 02:26:07.280 I'm I I I I. I'm not buying that. I'm 2621 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:10.520 only gonna buy the Rick Flair Wrestling album. He actually 2622 02:26:10.520 --> 02:26:16.040 can have five star matches. Well, I'm not gonna buy. 2623 02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:19.879 I'm not gonna buy WWE's thing, you know, because I 2624 02:26:19.879 --> 02:26:21.840 don't want like a circus album. I want like a 2625 02:26:21.920 --> 02:26:24.239 real wrestling album. Guys, have the circus album? A real 2626 02:26:24.280 --> 02:26:31.760 wrestling album? What a vision quest the soundtrack? That's what 2627 02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:33.760 you mean right by real wrestling? I sure hope. So 2628 02:26:34.440 --> 02:26:36.639 I hate to burst your bubble about Flair versus Garvin 2629 02:26:36.760 --> 02:26:41.079 forty five minutes. That's phony too. It's planned ahead of time, 2630 02:26:42.000 --> 02:26:44.040 you know when we're gonna get that, right, We're going 2631 02:26:44.120 --> 02:26:46.600 to get you know, the you know, how about the 2632 02:26:46.719 --> 02:26:49.360 nw A wrestling album. Like when you say you're looking 2633 02:26:49.399 --> 02:26:52.319 for the wrestling album, you're you're talking about that plan stuff, 2634 02:26:54.520 --> 02:26:58.440 pre arranged wrestling or like the actual Olympic wrestling Yes 2635 02:27:00.239 --> 02:27:05.639 at Strawberries. Oh wait, wait you want that? What do 2636 02:27:05.680 --> 02:27:09.159 you want the the fake stuff? Were you're talking about? 2637 02:27:09.280 --> 02:27:12.680 You know, Olympic wrestling albums, which of which there are many. 2638 02:27:14.959 --> 02:27:17.120 His fucking damn Gable on the cover shooting the low 2639 02:27:17.200 --> 02:27:18.000 Inside Circle. 2640 02:27:20.239 --> 02:27:23.239 Yeah, they're like real, real wrestling albums are basically just 2641 02:27:23.360 --> 02:27:24.440 recordings of matches. 2642 02:27:25.600 --> 02:27:25.799 You know. 2643 02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:30.639 That's great to listen to the sound sounds of matches, 2644 02:27:30.760 --> 02:27:35.000 no commentary, nothing, just breathing and smacking the mat thumped albums. 2645 02:27:35.319 --> 02:27:41.959 Yeah yeah, it's like, oh it's so good. Yeah yeah, 2646 02:27:42.079 --> 02:27:45.520 I can feel the excitement. Marshall Chapman the aforementioned Marshall 2647 02:27:45.559 --> 02:27:48.479 Chapman says, I've called the Wrestling Album the most dubious 2648 02:27:48.559 --> 02:27:52.520 cultural achievement of the twentieth century. But I'm also sorry, 2649 02:27:52.600 --> 02:27:54.719 what say that again? The Wrestling album. This is a 2650 02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:57.399 person who wrote the Hillbilly Jim lyrics. It was being 2651 02:27:57.520 --> 02:28:00.479 very sardonic about the whole thing. I've called the Wrestling 2652 02:28:00.520 --> 02:28:06.079 Album the most dubious cultural achievement of the twentieth century. Wow, 2653 02:28:06.280 --> 02:28:09.159 I'm probably the only Nashville songwriter who has ever received 2654 02:28:09.159 --> 02:28:13.719 a royalty check from the WWF. The drummer Browler says 2655 02:28:13.799 --> 02:28:18.159 the Wrestling Album isn't artful, but it is a snapshot 2656 02:28:18.920 --> 02:28:22.920 of a moment. The eighties were a funny time, both sonic. 2657 02:28:23.040 --> 02:28:24.799 That's all we do. Listen, that's all we need. 2658 02:28:24.879 --> 02:28:25.159 We do. 2659 02:28:26.040 --> 02:28:32.760 We do snapshots of momentary incidents. That's what you do, 2660 02:28:32.959 --> 02:28:37.479 snapshots of momentary ww The ww is a company where 2661 02:28:37.719 --> 02:28:42.479 we take snapshots of momentary incidents and exploit said, snapshots 2662 02:28:42.520 --> 02:28:47.079 for full full cross functional gain. 2663 02:28:47.159 --> 02:28:52.120 Full cross functional monetary and emotional gain. 2664 02:28:52.399 --> 02:28:58.239 The emotional gain that's a fringe benefit of WWF emotional gain. Well, 2665 02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:01.239 that's right. That is the equivalent of smiles on faces 2666 02:29:01.840 --> 02:29:07.440 and you know anuses and chairs, right. I think Browler 2667 02:29:07.479 --> 02:29:10.719 puts it well. The eighties were a funny time both 2668 02:29:10.840 --> 02:29:12.360 sonically and stylistically. 2669 02:29:12.600 --> 02:29:18.520 Wow, yes, for sure they sonically and stylistically, that's tremendous. 2670 02:29:18.600 --> 02:29:21.799 Indeed, were just quickly to visit what Brian Penry told 2671 02:29:21.879 --> 02:29:24.600 us about putting together the Wrestling album cover. He remembers 2672 02:29:24.639 --> 02:29:26.559 it was a process that took over a period of weeks. 2673 02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:29.680 And since it's a double album, when you open it up, 2674 02:29:30.040 --> 02:29:34.280 there's a there's you know, a different scene in there 2675 02:29:34.360 --> 02:29:38.520 of the Hit Factory in New York where many luminaries 2676 02:29:38.559 --> 02:29:42.079 like Billy Joel and others have recorded over time. And 2677 02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:46.000 he said, very few of the people you see on 2678 02:29:46.120 --> 02:29:48.360 the cover art of the Wrestling album were in the 2679 02:29:48.399 --> 02:29:50.799 same room at the same time. They had to like 2680 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:55.440 squash them all together. In some instances, people were totally 2681 02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:58.360 in totally different cities than where some of those guys were. 2682 02:29:59.360 --> 02:30:01.040 He says, for ample, when you look on the cover 2683 02:30:01.159 --> 02:30:03.959 and Vince has his arm on gene Okolin's shoulder. They 2684 02:30:04.000 --> 02:30:07.559 were shot against a backdrop and dropped in to the image. 2685 02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:11.159 They were shot elsewhere because they had a show brother 2686 02:30:12.520 --> 02:30:16.159 be shot elsewhere. What do you mean if he's not here? Brother? 2687 02:30:16.879 --> 02:30:18.600 What is who's shooting on me? 2688 02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:18.920 Brother? 2689 02:30:19.639 --> 02:30:22.600 What is there some kind of technology you've been hiding 2690 02:30:22.639 --> 02:30:24.719 for me that means he can be here when he's 2691 02:30:24.760 --> 02:30:27.159 not here? Why are you shooting. 2692 02:30:29.840 --> 02:30:29.920 Now? 2693 02:30:29.959 --> 02:30:32.239 When you when you say. 2694 02:30:35.799 --> 02:30:36.760 Take that? Just the. 2695 02:30:38.600 --> 02:30:41.559 The potential scenarios are like stacking up in his head 2696 02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:45.200 like one hundred miles an hour, keeps the moment. He 2697 02:30:45.399 --> 02:30:47.600 is like ready to react about one scenario another one? 2698 02:30:47.639 --> 02:30:49.280 Who pops in his brain right. 2699 02:30:52.319 --> 02:30:52.440 Now? 2700 02:30:52.520 --> 02:30:52.559 What? 2701 02:30:57.319 --> 02:30:57.360 What? 2702 02:31:00.000 --> 02:31:01.159 What are we doing? Are you shooting? 2703 02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:02.000 Hm? 2704 02:31:02.520 --> 02:31:05.840 You're shooting the music video without me? Dude? Did you? 2705 02:31:06.159 --> 02:31:08.520 This is all on my back brother? And I wasn't 2706 02:31:08.559 --> 02:31:11.000 invited to the Land of a thousand dances videos? Well, 2707 02:31:11.040 --> 02:31:13.159 the land of a million about a million hull Camania? 2708 02:31:14.719 --> 02:31:19.559 How about? How are we doing? You know, Terry brilliant. 2709 02:31:20.280 --> 02:31:21.879 I'm gonna put in a call right now to Dave. 2710 02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:26.520 We're gonna put this together. The Land of one thousandania 2711 02:31:26.799 --> 02:31:29.799 a million million. Sorry, yes, a thousand is not nearly enough. 2712 02:31:30.079 --> 02:31:33.000 The Land of a million hul Camania. Okay, all right, 2713 02:31:33.799 --> 02:31:37.520 uh Dave, Dave Vince mc mann of the w w E. 2714 02:31:38.200 --> 02:31:43.319 We are thinking about adding a a a another track 2715 02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:54.399 to the album. Uh, Land of a million Hulkamania. Let's yeah, 2716 02:31:54.600 --> 02:31:59.079 uh yeah, brother, yeah? What what are you doing? 2717 02:31:59.600 --> 02:31:59.719 Well? 2718 02:31:59.719 --> 02:32:03.639 Fit the sentence, brother, yeah, the Land of a million? 2719 02:32:03.680 --> 02:32:09.799 Whole comania for the the wrestling album to to to 2720 02:32:10.520 --> 02:32:15.319 to brother, what to do right away? To do a 2721 02:32:15.399 --> 02:32:20.680 wrestling album to do right away? Wrestling album two do 2722 02:32:21.120 --> 02:32:21.600 right away? 2723 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:28.280 I never said right away? 2724 02:32:28.959 --> 02:32:30.000 What what? 2725 02:32:31.559 --> 02:32:31.680 Why? 2726 02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:35.920 Are you in a rush? Were falling over? Will you? 2727 02:32:36.000 --> 02:32:43.120 Nickolo me? Brother? No, no, Terry, I'm not. I'm moving 2728 02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:50.000 all right. Wrestling album to do on a momentary basis satisfied. 2729 02:32:50.559 --> 02:32:53.360 If wrestling album, if I may impress upon you momentarily, 2730 02:32:54.399 --> 02:33:00.719 if I may impress upon the momentary of the Shakespeare's 2731 02:33:00.760 --> 02:33:07.559 way of saying it, come on in here, thou shalt 2732 02:33:07.799 --> 02:33:13.799 shal thou shalt commit to the uh, the endeavor of 2733 02:33:14.719 --> 02:33:23.319 adding said track to the wrestling album to do at 2734 02:33:23.639 --> 02:33:30.159 the momentary appropriate time. Land of a Million hulk Mania 2735 02:33:31.639 --> 02:33:36.879 is thou mission right, thy mission right? And thou shalt 2736 02:33:39.360 --> 02:33:49.559 thou shalt obey all comania brother? Ten commandomy just a problem? 2737 02:33:50.639 --> 02:33:58.319 Take commandmentitude? Whoa You're gonna commit me with fucking fucking tablets? Brother? 2738 02:33:58.760 --> 02:34:02.280 Demandments are we're talking about what you're saying? Ten demandments? 2739 02:34:02.360 --> 02:34:03.440 Amendments or demandments. 2740 02:34:04.079 --> 02:34:04.520 There's like. 2741 02:34:07.719 --> 02:34:23.559 Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need 2742 02:34:23.639 --> 02:34:41.680 their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed Fan 2743 02:34:41.799 --> 02:34:46.000 Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and Jpro. 2744 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:52.319 What's funny is that what came after the person said 2745 02:34:52.479 --> 02:34:55.000 basically what he just said, but what he hears it 2746 02:34:55.440 --> 02:34:58.680 from somebody else. It's really alarming because it's like, I 2747 02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:03.239 thought that was only my head, Like, like, what what 2748 02:35:03.319 --> 02:35:05.799 do you just say? That's what I was just worried about, 2749 02:35:05.920 --> 02:35:08.920 And now you're saying what do you saying in my mind? 2750 02:35:08.959 --> 02:35:09.200 Brother? 2751 02:35:09.879 --> 02:35:12.239 How are you saying that I'm thinking out loud? 2752 02:35:12.399 --> 02:35:12.600 Did you? 2753 02:35:16.120 --> 02:35:19.559 It's not hard to get him fucking going, man, It's 2754 02:35:19.639 --> 02:35:22.360 not to hit him go. When he was not on 2755 02:35:22.440 --> 02:35:24.879 the Slammies or in the Land of a Thousand Dances, 2756 02:35:25.440 --> 02:35:28.520 a lot of meetings, a lot of problems, a lot 2757 02:35:28.719 --> 02:35:32.559 of problems. Had to assuage a lot of concerns about 2758 02:35:32.600 --> 02:35:36.959 what but the subtext was not including him. Yeah, Brian 2759 02:35:37.040 --> 02:35:39.040 Penry told us about He had to use a side 2760 02:35:39.079 --> 02:35:40.760 text machine, which I've never heard of, which is like 2761 02:35:41.360 --> 02:35:43.639 the earliest digital printing machine. I've ever seen one of 2762 02:35:43.719 --> 02:35:46.159 these things what they are, but it's like one of 2763 02:35:46.200 --> 02:35:48.920 the earliest ways to do like a graphic like this 2764 02:35:49.200 --> 02:35:54.040 where you can superimpose different images into the same frame. 2765 02:35:54.120 --> 02:35:57.360 And that's all over the wrestling album. So interesting trivia there, 2766 02:35:57.479 --> 02:36:02.719 thanks to Brian and all the work that that took 2767 02:36:02.920 --> 02:36:06.319 as part of his duties. He remembers Mona Flanbay as well. 2768 02:36:08.360 --> 02:36:11.040 She made some scary sounds come out of that trumpet. 2769 02:36:11.159 --> 02:36:15.879 He says. I don't know if he's talking about Mona 2770 02:36:15.879 --> 02:36:19.280 Flambee or not when he says that, Yeah, so it's 2771 02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:21.360 cool check out that interview because he goes he goes 2772 02:36:21.399 --> 02:36:24.239 into his house and goes to find his copy of 2773 02:36:24.360 --> 02:36:26.399 the wrestling album to explain to us what it is 2774 02:36:26.520 --> 02:36:30.440 he sees as he flips through it. But the important 2775 02:36:30.479 --> 02:36:32.319 track in so many ways to me at least, is 2776 02:36:32.360 --> 02:36:36.360 real American. It's quite absolutely, Isn't it quite wild to 2777 02:36:36.399 --> 02:36:38.520 think that this is where Real American was birth. On 2778 02:36:38.600 --> 02:36:45.120 this album, it's crazy, absolutely crazy. Here it sits and 2779 02:36:45.239 --> 02:36:48.360 here we feel it in so many ways. And if 2780 02:36:48.399 --> 02:36:50.799 you listen to the track on the Wrestling album, there's 2781 02:36:50.799 --> 02:36:54.120 absolutely no mistaking the fact that they intended it for 2782 02:36:54.680 --> 02:36:56.920 Barry Wyndham and Mike Rotundo, because as soon as the 2783 02:36:57.000 --> 02:37:00.719 song concludes on the Wrestling album, we have a interjection 2784 02:37:00.879 --> 02:37:04.600 from Vince McMahon himself and his crew. What taking it 2785 02:37:04.639 --> 02:37:08.479 abundantly clear that that was the song inspired by the 2786 02:37:08.600 --> 02:37:09.840 US Express. Take a listen. 2787 02:37:32.120 --> 02:37:34.959 I can't believe that's for Windom and Rotundo. 2788 02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:38.760 Derringer, you should have buried yourself in spade buried. Come on, 2789 02:37:39.040 --> 02:37:40.000 just eat your heart out. 2790 02:37:41.399 --> 02:37:44.520 Wow, yep, I can't believe that's for Wyndham and Rotundo. 2791 02:37:44.559 --> 02:37:47.840 Wom and Rotundo a piece of trivia there, that's wild 2792 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:51.079 and that song itself, Real American has a bit of 2793 02:37:51.159 --> 02:37:53.719 a oral history in its own writer writer by the 2794 02:37:53.799 --> 02:37:57.520 name of Quinn Myers and at magazine by the name 2795 02:37:57.520 --> 02:37:59.959 of mel once did an oral history on a whole 2796 02:38:00.120 --> 02:38:01.239 Cogan and Real American. 2797 02:38:01.719 --> 02:38:01.840 Now. 2798 02:38:01.959 --> 02:38:04.719 While Derringer is the guitarist on the song and it's 2799 02:38:04.760 --> 02:38:08.159 actually a fairly celebrated guitarist and has done work in 2800 02:38:08.239 --> 02:38:12.399 collaborations with several high profile acts over the years. That 2801 02:38:12.559 --> 02:38:15.239 is not his voice. Were you aware that it is 2802 02:38:15.280 --> 02:38:18.920 not Derenger who actually sings this side? No, I'm curious 2803 02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:22.399 who is it. He's some obscure lead singer at a 2804 02:38:22.479 --> 02:38:26.000 New York named Bernard Kenny, and you're not really gonna 2805 02:38:26.040 --> 02:38:30.479 find much else that he did. I believe he sang 2806 02:38:30.559 --> 02:38:34.959 with his brother under the term the Kenny Brothers. There's 2807 02:38:34.959 --> 02:38:37.959 a couple of YouTube videos they give you a little 2808 02:38:37.959 --> 02:38:40.840 glimpse into who they are. One little snippet on YouTube 2809 02:38:40.879 --> 02:38:43.799 says the Kenny Brothers an amazingly talented nineteen eighties New 2810 02:38:43.879 --> 02:38:46.879 York based band. In late winter early spring, they recorded 2811 02:38:46.959 --> 02:38:50.120 four songs at Tiki Recording Studios on Long Island. On 2812 02:38:50.239 --> 02:38:52.959 one of the songs, this is how you know because 2813 02:38:52.959 --> 02:38:54.959 it says here in the YouTube comment on this song 2814 02:38:55.120 --> 02:38:58.319 Bernard Kenny, who co wrote Real American with Rick Deringer 2815 02:38:58.399 --> 02:39:01.840 and sang lead vocal. So he's the i AMA. That's 2816 02:39:01.879 --> 02:39:07.319 his voice. Wow, it's not Rick Derringer that he's passed away. 2817 02:39:07.360 --> 02:39:09.200 According to this comment on YouTube, they never made it 2818 02:39:09.239 --> 02:39:11.479 big enough to even have any clips about them and 2819 02:39:11.559 --> 02:39:15.000 newspapers that I could fire anything like that. But according 2820 02:39:15.000 --> 02:39:18.840 to this commenter, Bernard Kenny has since passed away the 2821 02:39:18.959 --> 02:39:23.559 voice of Real American. The Mel magazine article says in 2822 02:39:23.639 --> 02:39:26.479 nineteen eighty five, Derringer was eleven years removed from his 2823 02:39:26.600 --> 02:39:30.159 hit single rock and roll Hoochie Coo, and twenty years 2824 02:39:30.200 --> 02:39:33.479 removed from the classic number one track hang On Slop Sloopy, 2825 02:39:33.920 --> 02:39:37.200 on which he sang leave vocals. Yeah, don't ask me, man. 2826 02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:39.639 It has to sound weird to be a song title. 2827 02:39:39.719 --> 02:39:40.079 We know this. 2828 02:39:41.399 --> 02:39:44.079 After working extensively with bands like the Edgar Winter, Grew, 2829 02:39:44.159 --> 02:39:47.840 Bear Supply and Bonnie Tyler, Rick Deringer bounced around shredding 2830 02:39:47.879 --> 02:39:50.600 guitar solos for Barbara streisand and writing songs with his 2831 02:39:50.680 --> 02:39:52.879 partner at the time, Kenny. And this must be the 2832 02:39:53.000 --> 02:39:56.520 Kenny we're talking about this, Bernard Kenny. Maybe not. But 2833 02:39:57.239 --> 02:40:00.200 one of those songs, of course, was Real American. And 2834 02:40:00.559 --> 02:40:02.840 while the two didn't know what it would eventually be 2835 02:40:03.000 --> 02:40:04.959 used for, as soon as they wrote it, they knew 2836 02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:07.440 it was destined for glory. So how about that Real 2837 02:40:07.479 --> 02:40:11.280 American was not written because there was a open space 2838 02:40:11.360 --> 02:40:14.760 on a pro wrestling record album. It already existed, the song. 2839 02:40:15.120 --> 02:40:17.239 They were just I thought I remember that, Yeah, I 2840 02:40:17.319 --> 02:40:18.879 thought I remember that being a thing, that it was 2841 02:40:19.760 --> 02:40:23.799 a real song, that that w eventually just kind of 2842 02:40:25.200 --> 02:40:26.000 claimed ownership for me. 2843 02:40:26.040 --> 02:40:28.559 We're trying to find a home for it. Derrenger, writer 2844 02:40:28.680 --> 02:40:31.799 and producer of Real American, told mel magazine. My writing 2845 02:40:31.840 --> 02:40:34.159 partner Bernard Kenny and I sat down one night in 2846 02:40:34.280 --> 02:40:36.559 nineteen eighty four and we had the idea to write 2847 02:40:36.559 --> 02:40:39.479 the most patriotic song of all time. Oh my god, 2848 02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:44.000 what a weird fucking thing. That's also like, that's fucking 2849 02:40:45.079 --> 02:40:48.840 Reagan right there. Oh, totally so fucking Reagan era yep. 2850 02:40:49.799 --> 02:40:51.840 And we wanted to express that in the song. So 2851 02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:54.840 that was the whole objective behind it. When we sat 2852 02:40:54.920 --> 02:40:58.000 down a few hours later, the song Real American was born. 2853 02:40:58.360 --> 02:41:00.200 After it took the Matt long to fucking write this 2854 02:41:00.280 --> 02:41:06.399 song a few hours for the rights of every man. After, 2855 02:41:06.639 --> 02:41:08.559 I guess after it was written in this take a while, 2856 02:41:08.879 --> 02:41:11.559 Derenger says, we actually played it and it brought us 2857 02:41:11.799 --> 02:41:15.079 to tears. Get the fuck out of time. I knew 2858 02:41:15.120 --> 02:41:16.600 he had done such a good job and it was 2859 02:41:16.639 --> 02:41:19.440 destined to be a hit. What a bunch of this 2860 02:41:19.559 --> 02:41:21.680 is like the original and I'm proud to be an American, 2861 02:41:21.840 --> 02:41:27.159 you know, right right? But there is there's the I remember. 2862 02:41:27.239 --> 02:41:27.680 I remember. 2863 02:41:27.760 --> 02:41:31.479 I remember as a when I was in high school, like, so, 2864 02:41:32.280 --> 02:41:35.600 did you ever have like those weird like fundraiser nights 2865 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:40.959 in high school? Like they'd have like a casino nice Yeah, 2866 02:41:41.280 --> 02:41:43.879 the casino night. I remember, they have this fucking idiot 2867 02:41:44.040 --> 02:41:47.440 lounge singer, you know, come in and like he was 2868 02:41:47.559 --> 02:41:50.920 doing like a mix of like variety ship stand up 2869 02:41:50.959 --> 02:41:56.440 and and uh and and songs and stuff like he's 2870 02:41:56.760 --> 02:41:59.000 it's mostly tongue in cheek the whole time. And then 2871 02:41:59.520 --> 02:42:00.920 he's gonna, you know, we're gonna take it down for 2872 02:42:00.959 --> 02:42:03.840 a little bit here, I mean sings I'm proud to 2873 02:42:03.879 --> 02:42:06.200 be American. Like he makes this whole big fucking deal 2874 02:42:06.239 --> 02:42:08.239 about I was like, oh my god, Like, what the 2875 02:42:08.319 --> 02:42:10.159 fuck is such a weirdo. 2876 02:42:12.159 --> 02:42:15.399 There's no faster way to like change the mood in 2877 02:42:15.479 --> 02:42:16.600 a room then play that song. 2878 02:42:17.200 --> 02:42:19.879 I know he's like so passionate, and it was just 2879 02:42:20.000 --> 02:42:23.840 like this is the weirdest thing, Like, dude, you're you're 2880 02:42:23.959 --> 02:42:27.239 singing at a casino night at a high school like. 2881 02:42:27.440 --> 02:42:28.040 What are you doing? 2882 02:42:28.680 --> 02:42:31.959 Yeah, exactly, keep with the goofball ship, all right, that's 2883 02:42:32.040 --> 02:42:32.520 gonna play. 2884 02:42:33.520 --> 02:42:40.600 Don't don't start preaching, moron. So we hear what Bernard 2885 02:42:40.719 --> 02:42:43.120 Kennedy sounds like, and we've heard it a million times. 2886 02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:44.920 We could, you know, do it off the top of 2887 02:42:45.000 --> 02:42:49.520 our heads. Yes, but you know there was actually records 2888 02:42:49.559 --> 02:42:55.280 out there of Derringer himself singing real American really, And 2889 02:42:55.600 --> 02:42:58.760 this is what it would sound like if Rick Deringer, 2890 02:42:58.879 --> 02:43:02.680 the guy most associated with Old Cogan's Real American, actually 2891 02:43:02.760 --> 02:43:06.000 sang the lyrics. And I want you to picture Oul 2892 02:43:06.079 --> 02:43:08.680 Cogan making his way to the ring to this. All right, 2893 02:43:12.399 --> 02:43:13.360 Oh my god. 2894 02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:20.120 I am a real American, fight for the rights of 2895 02:43:20.680 --> 02:43:21.639 every man. 2896 02:43:23.200 --> 02:43:29.200 I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight 2897 02:43:29.440 --> 02:43:30.479 for your life. 2898 02:43:38.079 --> 02:43:38.399 Wow. 2899 02:43:40.879 --> 02:43:47.319 Wow, when it comes. 2900 02:43:47.120 --> 02:43:55.799 Crashing down and it hurts inside, you gotta leave a hand. 2901 02:43:55.959 --> 02:43:57.520 They don't have to hide. 2902 02:43:58.319 --> 02:44:00.440 I thought it was take a stand it don't Yeah, 2903 02:44:00.680 --> 02:44:05.360 I think that you my friends, my friend. 2904 02:44:06.000 --> 02:44:07.239 I gotta take a stand. 2905 02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:10.680 No, No, I gotta be a man. I am a 2906 02:44:11.079 --> 02:44:13.680 real Parican. 2907 02:44:14.520 --> 02:44:16.920 The right stuff, iry man. 2908 02:44:17.959 --> 02:44:20.719 I am a real Pican. 2909 02:44:22.120 --> 02:44:25.079 Robots right by your life. 2910 02:44:33.399 --> 02:44:35.959 Sometimes I think they would have went back to the 2911 02:44:36.120 --> 02:44:37.319 other whole theme pretty quickly. 2912 02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:41.879 Yeah, well, although you know, I do, uh, I do 2913 02:44:42.040 --> 02:44:44.959 appreciate the drums and that, like there's yeah, there's a 2914 02:44:45.360 --> 02:44:50.280 really heavy on like on on on uh on the drums. 2915 02:44:50.319 --> 02:44:53.360 That's I don't know, I like that. It's a nice listen. 2916 02:44:53.520 --> 02:44:57.479 It's not the it's it's it's what they would do. 2917 02:44:58.040 --> 02:45:00.680 That's the kind of version you'd put on uh, like 2918 02:45:00.799 --> 02:45:04.479 a Forcible Entry album, right, you know, like it's it's 2919 02:45:04.520 --> 02:45:06.120 that kind of like you know when they play the 2920 02:45:06.719 --> 02:45:09.159 when they have the weird version of the Triple H 2921 02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:12.120 theme and it's like, you know, it's not it's not 2922 02:45:12.280 --> 02:45:13.920 the real thing, but it's it's kind of cool to 2923 02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:15.120 have that version as well. 2924 02:45:15.360 --> 02:45:18.600 I agree, you know, like that would be. Yeah, Like 2925 02:45:18.719 --> 02:45:21.360 I like it's it's very interesting and I like it. 2926 02:45:21.440 --> 02:45:24.600 I don't not like it, but it's just not it's 2927 02:45:24.639 --> 02:45:27.040 not the real thing. He's and he's replacing the words. 2928 02:45:27.040 --> 02:45:28.280 I don't know if he's doing that on purpose or 2929 02:45:28.280 --> 02:45:31.000 if he just I don't know, doesn't remember the words. 2930 02:45:31.079 --> 02:45:33.280 Oh maybe maybe it's original. Maybe he's like, this is 2931 02:45:33.319 --> 02:45:34.920 what I wanted. When I say it, I'll bring it 2932 02:45:35.000 --> 02:45:36.559 home Rick it while we're in your vision. 2933 02:45:37.079 --> 02:45:39.040 I stand strong about that. 2934 02:45:39.520 --> 02:45:48.280 And wrong, don't take trouble boy. 2935 02:45:49.120 --> 02:45:50.440 Don't take control. 2936 02:45:54.120 --> 02:45:55.200 Inside out. 2937 02:45:58.479 --> 02:45:58.840 Pizza. 2938 02:46:00.520 --> 02:46:00.920 I am. 2939 02:46:05.040 --> 02:46:05.360 Got it. 2940 02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:09.840 I heard I heard some of like the the actual 2941 02:46:10.120 --> 02:46:15.760 mix of the of the regular one in that Yeah yeah, 2942 02:46:15.879 --> 02:46:17.959 at the very at the right before the chorus hit, 2943 02:46:20.360 --> 02:46:22.040 it sounded I could hear kind of like that that 2944 02:46:23.159 --> 02:46:27.719 that that kind of synthesizery like weird, not weird, but 2945 02:46:28.799 --> 02:46:31.159 it sounded like the whole Cogan version a little bit. 2946 02:46:32.799 --> 02:46:36.680 It's uh, the same instrumentals. Interesting when he says, uh, 2947 02:46:36.760 --> 02:46:40.159 and I don't take trouble for very long? Yeah, you 2948 02:46:40.239 --> 02:46:42.280 know what. I always thought it said there what and 2949 02:46:42.399 --> 02:46:47.680 I don't take control for very long? You know, like 2950 02:46:47.760 --> 02:46:49.920 the like the United States, they just take you know, 2951 02:46:50.200 --> 02:46:52.920 they displace the regime and they take control for a 2952 02:46:53.000 --> 02:46:55.559 year and they're gone and then we leave. Right's exactly right, 2953 02:46:55.639 --> 02:46:57.840 take control for very long, which would be a very 2954 02:46:57.879 --> 02:47:00.479 strange thing to put in. I also just love the idea, 2955 02:47:00.639 --> 02:47:04.200 like it's it's so you know again, this is so 2956 02:47:05.719 --> 02:47:09.000 like like it's a fighting song, Yeah, is what it is. 2957 02:47:09.120 --> 02:47:11.159 Like It's like it's a fighting song, like you're not 2958 02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:15.399 even you know, it's it's it's not talking about freedom, 2959 02:47:15.559 --> 02:47:17.360 it's talking about fighting for freedom. 2960 02:47:18.360 --> 02:47:18.520 You know. 2961 02:47:18.719 --> 02:47:21.040 That's the fucking funniest part of this whole thing. It's 2962 02:47:21.079 --> 02:47:24.879 it's literally about fighting people. Yes, they don't say who, 2963 02:47:26.000 --> 02:47:28.479 but it's anybody, I guess who's going to take away 2964 02:47:28.559 --> 02:47:31.399 my freedom. During the course of the music video that 2965 02:47:31.520 --> 02:47:33.319 they came to came up with for this song, he 2966 02:47:33.440 --> 02:47:38.040 rips a headshot of Mamar Gadaffi in half from Libya 2967 02:47:39.399 --> 02:47:48.079 Hogan does does the half god in the mel I mean, 2968 02:47:48.200 --> 02:47:51.040 is he was he threatening America's freedom? 2969 02:47:52.000 --> 02:47:52.239 Yeah? 2970 02:47:52.360 --> 02:47:54.799 He was, you know, death to America blah blah blah. 2971 02:47:55.280 --> 02:48:00.520 I mean yes, but was he actually threatening America? Because like, 2972 02:48:01.000 --> 02:48:04.079 did was there? I mean, did we need to? 2973 02:48:04.280 --> 02:48:09.159 I mean terror, I understand terror, But was you know, 2974 02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:11.840 were they invading America taking our freedom? 2975 02:48:15.719 --> 02:48:15.760 No? 2976 02:48:16.040 --> 02:48:19.959 They weren't invading America. No, right, That's what I mean. 2977 02:48:20.120 --> 02:48:23.959 Like, the song is talking about people taking away my 2978 02:48:24.360 --> 02:48:27.319 freedom and I will fight those motherfuckers. 2979 02:48:27.920 --> 02:48:30.360 And it's like, I mean, they're not taking yours away, 2980 02:48:30.360 --> 02:48:32.479 they're taking away others away. Yeah, a lot of people, 2981 02:48:33.079 --> 02:48:36.200 you know, it's not he was. He was Reagan's enemy, 2982 02:48:36.239 --> 02:48:38.680 you know, he was like sure, he was like, Bush's 2983 02:48:38.719 --> 02:48:40.120 Saddam Hussein. You know the same thing. 2984 02:48:40.319 --> 02:48:43.399 Of course, of course, listen, I get that. I totally 2985 02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:48.559 get that. It's it's still fucking bizarre. 2986 02:48:49.319 --> 02:48:49.559 It is. 2987 02:48:49.719 --> 02:48:50.319 It is bizarre. 2988 02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:54.920 It's a weird it's a weird fucking uh, it's it's 2989 02:48:54.959 --> 02:48:57.079 a you know, when you really when you take it 2990 02:48:57.159 --> 02:48:59.639 out of a wrestling context, because wrestling is all about fighting, 2991 02:49:00.159 --> 02:49:03.079 and you put it into a legitimate song context, it's like, 2992 02:49:04.360 --> 02:49:05.680 I mean, I guess it could have been the theme 2993 02:49:05.760 --> 02:49:06.760 for the fucking uh. 2994 02:49:08.559 --> 02:49:09.120 What do you call it? 2995 02:49:09.200 --> 02:49:17.840 The fucking h Millius movie there to del Mairte No exactly, Nah, 2996 02:49:17.959 --> 02:49:22.680 the Patrick Swayzee. No, Patrick Swayze, fucking Charlie Sheen that 2997 02:49:23.440 --> 02:49:26.280 you're talking about it, I can't think of it. Red Don, 2998 02:49:26.600 --> 02:49:29.639 red Don, thank you? Yeah, like that that could be 2999 02:49:29.719 --> 02:49:32.319 the theme, like the Darringer version, could be the theme 3000 02:49:32.399 --> 02:49:33.280 for Red Down. 3001 02:49:33.600 --> 02:49:37.920 Yeah, easily, yep. Yeah, it's of the time, definitely. In 3002 02:49:38.000 --> 02:49:41.239 the mal magazine piece, Browler, who was the drummer in 3003 02:49:41.280 --> 02:49:43.440 the band, says, usually I wouldn't step out and say 3004 02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:46.959 the stuff, but Bernard Kenny, the real singer, is one 3005 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:48.760 of the most one of the great singers who never 3006 02:49:48.840 --> 02:49:51.680 became famous. He says. Don't get me wrong, Rick's a 3007 02:49:51.719 --> 02:49:54.440 great singer and a brilliant fucking cat, but Bernard is 3008 02:49:54.520 --> 02:49:58.399 the unsung hero of this song. You haven't heard that 3009 02:49:58.520 --> 02:50:01.520 voice anywhere else. Unfortunately, that was a big break for him, 3010 02:50:01.559 --> 02:50:03.440 and he got shut down in terms of getting credit. 3011 02:50:03.600 --> 02:50:06.200 One of those great old music biz stories. I remember 3012 02:50:06.280 --> 02:50:07.920 him having a bit of a bug up his ass 3013 02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:09.920 about getting sort of screwed out of his credit for 3014 02:50:10.000 --> 02:50:14.559 this thing. Fascinating. Rick Deringer says to Mail Magazine. When 3015 02:50:14.559 --> 02:50:16.760 the wrestling album came along, we had the whole thing 3016 02:50:16.799 --> 02:50:19.319 put together and really organized, and we still hadn't used 3017 02:50:19.319 --> 02:50:22.479 real American anywhere yet, so we thought this wouldn't be 3018 02:50:22.559 --> 02:50:25.159 a good use of it. How about that real American 3019 02:50:25.239 --> 02:50:28.159 was an afterthought on the album That's wild and tell 3020 02:50:28.440 --> 02:50:33.120 why it went to the US Express, Derringer says, we didn't. Later, 3021 02:50:33.239 --> 02:50:36.159 we didn't alter the original at all of the song 3022 02:50:36.239 --> 02:50:38.559 for the WWE. We just laid down the legit version 3023 02:50:38.600 --> 02:50:42.159 we imagined and that was the one that they used. 3024 02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:45.040 We were really happy about all that, but still somewhere 3025 02:50:45.040 --> 02:50:46.479 in the back of my mind, I thought, Man, this 3026 02:50:46.559 --> 02:50:49.440 song should be somehow more legit than just a wrestler's 3027 02:50:49.440 --> 02:50:51.879 theme song. Ah, Rick, that's a weird that's not our 3028 02:50:51.920 --> 02:50:55.159 wrestling works. Pell live live that fucking dream, dude, take 3029 02:50:55.239 --> 02:50:57.680 it in joy exactly. Don't look at gift tors in 3030 02:50:57.680 --> 02:51:03.200 the mouth because res wrestling keeps songs alive twenty thirty 3031 02:51:03.280 --> 02:51:06.559 years longer than they should be exact cult of personality. 3032 02:51:06.559 --> 02:51:07.959 I know people love that song anyway, but you know 3033 02:51:08.000 --> 02:51:10.200 what I mean. Like that song, yeah, but as a 3034 02:51:10.319 --> 02:51:15.959 tell like no one else right, exactly the wrestling. We 3035 02:51:16.079 --> 02:51:19.799 wanted to write this fabulous patriotic song for all Americans. 3036 02:51:19.879 --> 02:51:22.079 Rick says, we saw it somehow on a different level 3037 02:51:22.120 --> 02:51:23.879 than a wrestler's theme song. So in some ways I 3038 02:51:23.959 --> 02:51:27.479 was a little let down. Oh shut the fuck up, dude. Okay, Well, 3039 02:51:28.840 --> 02:51:32.719 but he was. That's what happens, all right, That's what happens. 3040 02:51:32.760 --> 02:51:35.520 As much as he looked down on that use case, 3041 02:51:35.559 --> 02:51:38.719 he wasn't above appearing on WWF television was Rick Deringer 3042 02:51:39.680 --> 02:51:42.280 to promote said song and the forthcoming wrestling album. Here's 3043 02:51:42.319 --> 02:51:44.680 a clip from an October nineteen eighty five edition of 3044 02:51:44.760 --> 02:51:48.959 Piper's Pit on WWF television. Rick Darringer steps into the 3045 02:51:48.959 --> 02:51:49.559 pet himself. 3046 02:52:02.360 --> 02:52:04.639 You're finally familiar with have a scene if you're like to. 3047 02:52:04.760 --> 02:52:09.200 This gentleman's name is Rick Berenger. He's playing with Daker. 3048 02:52:09.000 --> 02:52:11.959 Winter, Johnny Winters, Frankenstein. 3049 02:52:12.040 --> 02:52:14.840 He's one of the best guitar players in the world. 3050 02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:18.399 We are the world, we are the guy. 3051 02:52:19.000 --> 02:52:22.200 Why don't you take those silly looking sunglasses out? First 3052 02:52:22.200 --> 02:52:24.600 of all, because I want to I know your credentials 3053 02:52:24.879 --> 02:52:26.959 as a guitar players, being one of the best of all. 3054 02:52:27.000 --> 02:52:28.879 I know he's got a live. 3055 02:52:28.799 --> 02:52:33.639 Age a program coming up with Cindy Lauper and Woo 3056 02:52:34.159 --> 02:52:36.600 and Rob Stewart, and he is going. 3057 02:52:36.600 --> 02:52:38.799 To be playing with them. And i'd want you to 3058 02:52:38.920 --> 02:52:39.559 know now that. 3059 02:52:39.639 --> 02:52:42.479 You're in Piper's Pitt, that you play the guitar for 3060 02:52:42.559 --> 02:52:45.200 a living and I beat people up for a living. 3061 02:52:45.600 --> 02:52:49.479 Soul Pillsbury, Dauboin, Why you're here, Just don't get too 3062 02:52:49.639 --> 02:52:52.120 brilliant with me. And this is good old Laces here 3063 02:52:52.319 --> 02:52:53.399 he my bodyguard. 3064 02:52:53.479 --> 02:52:57.239 I understand you're you're doing an album with wrestlers singing 3065 02:52:57.319 --> 02:52:57.680 on him. 3066 02:52:59.040 --> 02:53:01.600 I came here with the Good Spirits and I Roddy 3067 02:53:02.120 --> 02:53:07.639 because all right, because I feel like I'm excited about 3068 02:53:07.680 --> 02:53:08.239 this record. 3069 02:53:08.280 --> 02:53:10.680 I'm doing the Junkyard Dog has done. 3070 02:53:10.479 --> 02:53:13.040 A great song. Of Yard Dog is doing a great 3071 02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:13.840 great song. 3072 02:53:14.799 --> 02:53:18.319 Jimmy Hart has done a fantastic song. 3073 02:53:18.440 --> 02:53:18.920 Kill Billy. 3074 02:53:19.040 --> 02:53:20.639 Jim has done a great thing. 3075 02:53:20.719 --> 02:53:23.239 We got plans to do, Captain Lou Albano, I'm really 3076 02:53:23.319 --> 02:53:24.079 excited about it. 3077 02:53:24.159 --> 02:53:28.799 Wait, get your hands off my micro I'm excited about this. Well, wait, 3078 02:53:28.840 --> 02:53:29.440 wait a second. 3079 02:53:30.280 --> 02:53:32.520 If junk you're a dog and all them guys help out, 3080 02:53:32.840 --> 02:53:33.760 help out myself. 3081 02:53:33.879 --> 02:53:36.040 Man, you know I could sing a heck of a song. 3082 02:53:36.120 --> 02:53:37.760 Man, I could be a rock and roller. 3083 02:53:37.920 --> 02:53:39.159 I could sing a great song. 3084 02:53:39.360 --> 02:53:41.879 Don't you think you're gonna give me the opportunity to 3085 02:53:42.040 --> 02:53:43.520 show everybody how great i'd be. 3086 02:53:44.079 --> 02:53:47.360 I didn't know about this. I've been working closely with David. 3087 02:53:47.120 --> 02:53:49.799 Woolf, and I thought we can I do a song? 3088 02:53:49.920 --> 02:53:50.719 Can I do a song? 3089 02:53:50.799 --> 02:53:50.959 There? 3090 02:53:51.440 --> 02:53:54.840 Look, I got nothing to getst you coming in the studio. 3091 02:53:54.959 --> 02:53:56.840 If you want to make a jerk out of yourself, 3092 02:53:59.319 --> 02:54:00.600 let me tie your something. 3093 02:54:00.719 --> 02:54:03.040 Your little pips would shut them down, set them down. 3094 02:54:03.319 --> 02:54:06.239 Let me tell you something, your little jerk, I'll tell 3095 02:54:06.319 --> 02:54:08.159 you I'm gonna have a thought. 3096 02:54:08.079 --> 02:54:11.040 That we go off the air. Wow. 3097 02:54:11.239 --> 02:54:13.920 So that's Rick Derringer. I mean, that's the one of 3098 02:54:14.000 --> 02:54:15.799 the latest segments I ever heard, and he has no 3099 02:54:15.879 --> 02:54:16.920 idea what he's fucking doing. 3100 02:54:16.840 --> 02:54:20.760 No clue. So you can hear the promotional apparatus kind 3101 02:54:20.799 --> 02:54:23.200 of kicking in the gear for this forthcoming wrestling album 3102 02:54:23.520 --> 02:54:25.280 something else that had happened eighty five. In addition, We 3103 02:54:25.360 --> 02:54:27.959 Are the World is the Chicago Bears, who were super 3104 02:54:28.000 --> 02:54:30.280 Bowl bound in nineteen eighty five, came out with the 3105 02:54:30.399 --> 02:54:32.920 super Bowl Shuffle. Now this was much more of an 3106 02:54:32.959 --> 02:54:36.280 inspiration to the rustle rock Rumble that one vern Gan 3107 02:54:36.319 --> 02:54:39.680 yet would Leater oversee as part of a SuperClash, right, 3108 02:54:39.760 --> 02:54:44.399 it was SuperClash, Yes, available in Life and Death of 3109 02:54:44.399 --> 02:54:46.760 the ABA. Yes, made a lot of fun with that one. 3110 02:54:46.840 --> 02:54:50.440 Eighty seven, I think it was. And here though, I 3111 02:54:50.479 --> 02:54:52.079 think it's it's kind of part and parcel of the 3112 02:54:52.120 --> 02:54:55.479 whole you know, mood of like these ensemble songs with 3113 02:54:55.559 --> 02:54:59.479 people who weren't musicians but were celebrities in the eighties. Yeah, 3114 02:54:59.479 --> 02:55:01.840 getting to do these songs. This is what it sounded 3115 02:55:01.920 --> 02:55:05.200 like on the NFL side. And you can definitely hear 3116 02:55:05.559 --> 02:55:08.920 Russell rock rumble vibes even more so than the Land 3117 02:55:08.959 --> 02:55:18.079 of a thousand dances. That's get it. T LF. 3118 02:55:23.959 --> 02:55:27.879 Shut shut, We're. 3119 02:55:31.879 --> 02:55:39.280 You know, we're not here. We're just. 3120 02:55:40.799 --> 02:55:43.159 Well they called me sweetness, and I liked the dance 3121 02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:46.079 running the ball. It's like making more dance. We had 3122 02:55:46.120 --> 02:55:49.239 the goals's trained in camp to give Chicago goals for 3123 02:55:49.360 --> 02:55:52.200 more tamp and we're not doing this because we're greening. 3124 02:55:52.360 --> 02:55:54.280 The Bears are doing it the kneed. 3125 02:55:54.680 --> 02:55:56.840 We didn't come here look for truck Bok. 3126 02:55:56.920 --> 02:55:57.239 Were just. 3127 02:56:00.079 --> 02:56:15.959 A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows 3128 02:56:16.040 --> 02:56:34.079 the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's 3129 02:56:34.159 --> 02:56:38.239 the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and 3130 02:56:38.399 --> 02:56:39.200 JP Soo. 3131 02:56:39.680 --> 02:56:41.799 I mean that's it. Actually, it kind of sounds a 3132 02:56:41.840 --> 02:56:43.959 little bit more like jive soul bro. Yeah, you know 3133 02:56:44.079 --> 02:56:46.399 they got a little bit of inspiration there. Yeah, yeah, 3134 02:56:46.520 --> 02:56:49.159 for sure. So what was on Vince's mind? You know, 3135 02:56:49.239 --> 02:56:52.079 we've heard from Dave Wolf, We've heard from Rick Deringer, 3136 02:56:52.200 --> 02:56:55.000 we've heard from the drummer and the producer and the 3137 02:56:55.079 --> 02:56:58.000 director and some of the wrestlers on set, and we've 3138 02:56:58.040 --> 02:57:00.200 heard from what was Vince thinking. Well, it's hard to 3139 02:57:00.520 --> 02:57:03.440 get a lot of insight, but we're not completely bereft 3140 02:57:03.479 --> 02:57:05.680 of it. This article here that I've just laced you 3141 02:57:05.799 --> 02:57:08.760 with is from the Tampa Tribune, and fortunately for us, 3142 02:57:09.559 --> 02:57:11.719 as part of an article about, you know, the typical 3143 02:57:12.079 --> 02:57:15.040 Hulkogan's all the rage Wrestling's coming to Tampa? What's this 3144 02:57:15.159 --> 02:57:17.879 circus all about? That got some time with Vince McMahon 3145 02:57:17.959 --> 02:57:20.879 in this article towards the end of nineteen eighty five, 3146 02:57:21.399 --> 02:57:23.959 and this is December seventeenth, to be exact, And it 3147 02:57:24.040 --> 02:57:26.159 turns out a lot is swishing around in his mind, 3148 02:57:26.520 --> 02:57:30.719 including the forthcoming Slammy Awards presentation. Oh my goodness, Oh 3149 02:57:30.840 --> 02:57:33.879 my goodness, let's get acquainted with how the Hulkster and 3150 02:57:34.360 --> 02:57:37.479 Vince McMahon's enterprises we're being written about heading into the 3151 02:57:37.559 --> 02:57:42.399 year nineteen and eighty six. Also, I love that fucking 3152 02:57:44.600 --> 02:57:48.040 that Punky Brewster. Is it above the fucking Yeah, it 3153 02:57:48.079 --> 02:57:49.920 looks like her. The Santa Posa looks like I think 3154 02:57:49.920 --> 02:57:54.760 it's a Punky Brewster looking the Sleigh Moonfry brother brother mean, 3155 02:57:55.239 --> 02:57:56.520 we mean, fry dude, what's going on? 3156 02:57:58.000 --> 02:58:06.120 Ah dohn Fry Right, Wrestling's Hulk comes to Tampa. Hulk 3157 02:58:06.159 --> 02:58:09.479 Hogan alias Terry Bolea of what. 3158 02:58:11.000 --> 02:58:13.239 They put that in the paper Brother. The kidding me 3159 02:58:13.360 --> 02:58:16.520 Dude's scheduled to take on Terry Funk. 3160 02:58:18.000 --> 02:58:21.000 In one of eight matches Saturday. All right, that's I 3161 02:58:21.000 --> 02:58:24.120 don't know, it's a little side like a sub headline there. 3162 02:58:24.719 --> 02:58:29.440 Uh Hulkamania. You can't escape it. Hulk Hogan, the country's 3163 02:58:29.520 --> 02:58:32.520 most famous wrestler, seems to be everywhere. Look in the 3164 02:58:32.520 --> 02:58:37.840 bookstores you'll find Hulk Hogan's ugly mug brother glaring off 3165 02:58:37.920 --> 02:58:41.879 a slick calendar looking. Look at the toy stores, you'll 3166 02:58:41.920 --> 02:58:45.360 find the Hulk Hogan action figure, a newcomer that's throwing 3167 02:58:45.440 --> 02:58:49.639 a headlock on the he Man toys this Christmas. Look 3168 02:58:49.680 --> 02:58:53.040 at Saturday Morning cartoons you'll find an animated version of 3169 02:58:53.120 --> 02:58:57.079 The Hulk Hogan Rock and Wrestling Show. Where's the live 3170 02:58:57.159 --> 02:59:00.360 action version of the Hulk Hogan Rock and Wrestling Show? 3171 02:59:00.600 --> 02:59:03.959 I know, fact like there's any other version right. Look 3172 02:59:04.040 --> 02:59:06.399 in the record stores you'll find the Hulkster and his 3173 02:59:06.559 --> 02:59:09.879 pals have a new album out. And look at television 3174 02:59:09.959 --> 02:59:13.600 on any given weekend and you'll find Hulk Hogan and 3175 02:59:13.719 --> 02:59:17.000 the wrestlers from the Worldlessing Entertainment on channels ranging from 3176 02:59:17.479 --> 02:59:21.600 MTV to USA Cable and WFTS Channel twenty eight and 3177 02:59:22.159 --> 02:59:26.040 WRTV in New York, and come Thursday Night, The Hulk 3178 02:59:26.159 --> 02:59:29.959 will be at the University of South Florida Sundome for 3179 02:59:30.079 --> 02:59:32.239 one of the four hundred or so live events that 3180 02:59:32.360 --> 02:59:37.399 will be staged Brother this year by the WWE. Hulk 3181 02:59:37.520 --> 02:59:40.440 defends the world title against Terry Funk in one of 3182 02:59:40.559 --> 02:59:45.200 eight matches scheduled. The WWE, headed by promoter Vince McMahon, 3183 02:59:45.360 --> 02:59:49.399 is a high powered promotional organization that has catapulted wrestling 3184 02:59:49.479 --> 02:59:52.559 from the dregs of the of a low budget, blue 3185 02:59:52.680 --> 02:59:57.360 collar existence to the heights of popularity. Wrestling has become respectable, 3186 02:59:57.520 --> 03:00:00.959 at least in appearances. For example, the event here Thursday 3187 03:00:01.000 --> 03:00:05.239 night will be taped for NBC's Main Event, a Wrestling 3188 03:00:05.360 --> 03:00:07.799 TV special that will air in place of Saturday Night 3189 03:00:07.920 --> 03:00:11.920 Live at eleven thirty pm January fourth. This is the 3190 03:00:12.040 --> 03:00:15.680 third main event this season for NBC, and because the 3191 03:00:15.799 --> 03:00:19.120 ratings for the previous ones have been much higher than 3192 03:00:19.159 --> 03:00:23.760 the ratings for Saturday Night for Saturday Night Live, I 3193 03:00:23.799 --> 03:00:27.159 don't think that's true. Yeah, I think that Saturday Night 3194 03:00:27.159 --> 03:00:29.520 Life reruns. He doesn't say. I thought he doesn't say 3195 03:00:29.520 --> 03:00:29.879 that at all. 3196 03:00:29.959 --> 03:00:30.200 Brother. 3197 03:00:31.200 --> 03:00:33.879 There are likely to be more, there's little doubt that 3198 03:00:33.959 --> 03:00:39.239 Hulk Hogan alias Terry Belaya of Tampa Brothers Twice is 3199 03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:42.920 the superstar of WWE, But the brains behind the glitz 3200 03:00:42.959 --> 03:00:46.520 and glamour of a glamour of professional wrestling is the 3201 03:00:46.680 --> 03:00:50.719 forty year old McMahon, the kingpin of the WWE. Only 3202 03:00:50.719 --> 03:00:54.280 a few years ago, professional wrestling operated on a smaller scale. 3203 03:00:54.840 --> 03:00:59.159 The country was divided. You want to put down as this, 3204 03:00:59.319 --> 03:01:02.280 you want to talk about the fact that before the WWE, 3205 03:01:03.120 --> 03:01:06.079 they were, you know, it was divided. We have unified 3206 03:01:06.680 --> 03:01:11.000 the entertainment industry. We have unified all of entertainment for 3207 03:01:11.159 --> 03:01:15.239 everyone to enjoy in a way that has never been done. 3208 03:01:16.559 --> 03:01:22.840 Entertainment has never been this organized. Only a few years ago, 3209 03:01:22.879 --> 03:01:25.600 professional wrestling and operated on a smaller scale. The country 3210 03:01:25.719 --> 03:01:29.280 was divided up into different sections run by different promoters. 3211 03:01:29.760 --> 03:01:32.920 There were no national heroes. Bouts were held in armories 3212 03:01:33.040 --> 03:01:37.520 or high school gyms. Certainly not in baseball arenas, in 3213 03:01:37.719 --> 03:01:42.319 baseball stadiums in Chicago or football stadiums in Minnesota. 3214 03:01:42.479 --> 03:01:45.319 Never, not at all, except you have to ignore when 3215 03:01:45.360 --> 03:01:48.120 it did happen though for the exactly of course. 3216 03:01:48.959 --> 03:01:53.239 Then cable television came along and McMahon, who had knack, 3217 03:01:53.559 --> 03:01:57.639 not a knack, but who had knack for showbiz, capitalized 3218 03:01:57.719 --> 03:02:01.559 on his stable of outrageous talent. What happened was a 3219 03:02:01.719 --> 03:02:05.079 combination of factors, including a little bit of luck. McMahon 3220 03:02:05.159 --> 03:02:07.959 said in a telephone interview, the major difference is how 3221 03:02:08.079 --> 03:02:12.360 we view wrestling from a production and promotion standpoint. We 3222 03:02:12.760 --> 03:02:15.440 brought the entertainment value to a higher level. That's the 3223 03:02:15.639 --> 03:02:18.959 major philosophical difference in what we do. We are in 3224 03:02:19.079 --> 03:02:21.760 the entertainment business and we want the fans to get 3225 03:02:21.799 --> 03:02:22.799 their full value right. 3226 03:02:23.920 --> 03:02:30.799 So he's thoroughly transitioned onto that bullshit. Now, McMahon knows 3227 03:02:30.840 --> 03:02:34.319 the business well. His grandfather promoted boxing in Madison Square Garden. 3228 03:02:34.360 --> 03:02:37.520 His father promoted boxing and wrestling. I grew up in 3229 03:02:37.559 --> 03:02:40.520 the business. I did everything from taking tickets to putting 3230 03:02:40.559 --> 03:02:45.280 up rings. He knew that giving full value that meant 3231 03:02:45.360 --> 03:02:48.719 that there could be nothing too outrageous for the World 3232 03:02:48.799 --> 03:02:52.239 Wrestling Entertainment Wrestlers. At the beginning of its rise to fame, 3233 03:02:52.319 --> 03:02:55.159 the WWE, which is based in Connecticut, managed to reach 3234 03:02:55.239 --> 03:02:58.520 into millions of homes because it was carried by w 3235 03:02:59.040 --> 03:03:01.639 r TV in New York, York, a station that has 3236 03:03:01.719 --> 03:03:04.680 offered on many cable systems that gave the w w 3237 03:03:04.879 --> 03:03:09.200 E NASH nationwide exposure. In addition, McMahon launched a wild 3238 03:03:09.319 --> 03:03:13.520 and crazy talk show originally originally called The Tuesday Night 3239 03:03:13.639 --> 03:03:16.959 Titans on the USA Cable Network. The show has since 3240 03:03:17.079 --> 03:03:21.559 moved to Friday nights and is now called TNT. Formatted 3241 03:03:21.680 --> 03:03:24.520 much like the Johnny Carson Show. TNT quickly became the 3242 03:03:24.680 --> 03:03:28.479 darling of the yuppies, hipsters, and those looking for a 3243 03:03:28.600 --> 03:03:33.239 high camp experience. I doubt that I emphasis on high. 3244 03:03:33.520 --> 03:03:38.000 We're looking for a high camp experience. McMahon a handsome 3245 03:03:38.280 --> 03:03:42.120 must thank you. We hear that, a handsome, muscular fellow 3246 03:03:42.159 --> 03:03:45.120 played it straight as he tried to interview characters who 3247 03:03:45.159 --> 03:03:48.280 would often challenge each other and then break up the furniture. 3248 03:03:49.440 --> 03:03:56.600 We try to be different. When you have people eccentricities 3249 03:03:57.239 --> 03:04:00.360 that you know that some of our people have, why 3250 03:04:00.440 --> 03:04:03.719 not use that to the optimum. Why not show off 3251 03:04:03.879 --> 03:04:07.159 the very talents that make them stars in the ring? 3252 03:04:08.840 --> 03:04:10.600 Did he say eccentricities in the article? 3253 03:04:11.440 --> 03:04:15.120 When you have people with eccentricities, my god, that some 3254 03:04:15.239 --> 03:04:18.280 of our people have, why not use that to the optimum, 3255 03:04:19.840 --> 03:04:23.600 not the optimum effect, but the optimum The fuck is 3256 03:04:23.639 --> 03:04:29.920 he doing? Following the success of the TNT show, McMahon 3257 03:04:30.040 --> 03:04:33.360 began rubbing elbows with celebrities such as David Letterman and 3258 03:04:33.399 --> 03:04:37.440 Dick Eversoll, the former producer of Saturday Night Live. Last year, 3259 03:04:37.479 --> 03:04:40.200 ever Saw and McMahon joined forces to produce the main 3260 03:04:40.280 --> 03:04:43.200 event series. It was the first time since the nineteen 3261 03:04:43.280 --> 03:04:48.639 fifties wrestling had received network recognition. McMahon said they picked 3262 03:04:48.719 --> 03:04:51.319 Tampa for the third show because they wanted a quote 3263 03:04:51.440 --> 03:04:54.600 warm locale. You know that may not mean much to 3264 03:04:54.719 --> 03:04:56.440 you down there, but in many parts of the country 3265 03:04:56.760 --> 03:04:58.879 it will be freezing cold on January fourth, So we 3266 03:04:58.959 --> 03:05:02.200 thought the people I would like to see some warm weather, 3267 03:05:03.120 --> 03:05:07.879 McMahon said from an inside of an arena. Apparently, in 3268 03:05:07.959 --> 03:05:10.360 addition to taping the eight matches that are slated for 3269 03:05:10.440 --> 03:05:15.319 Thursday night, McMahon's crew will also be shooting at Adventure Island. 3270 03:05:15.799 --> 03:05:21.680 He's ordered about two dozen curvaceous women for the event. Yes, well, 3271 03:05:22.159 --> 03:05:25.879 you know, the we do appreciate curves and the WWE 3272 03:05:26.040 --> 03:05:30.719 we think that curvaciousness is a is a a brand 3273 03:05:30.840 --> 03:05:37.920 that may transcend the televised entertainment the equivalent. 3274 03:05:38.040 --> 03:05:45.319 Did you say curvaciousness is a brand? Yes, a nice 3275 03:05:45.360 --> 03:05:49.799 stand by that apparently. Apparently you do all the weight 3276 03:05:49.879 --> 03:05:54.680 of the w WE and legal aspects behind me. Before 3277 03:05:54.680 --> 03:05:57.200 you go running off of the mouth too much. Remember 3278 03:05:57.239 --> 03:05:59.360 the legal aspects have been engaged as well. 3279 03:06:01.559 --> 03:06:04.079 The card promises all sorts of excitement for the WWE 3280 03:06:04.200 --> 03:06:08.360 fan included our matchups such as Rick Hunter facing King 3281 03:06:08.479 --> 03:06:13.760 Kong Bundy, and a peace match between Corporal Kershner representing 3282 03:06:13.760 --> 03:06:17.840 the United States and Nikolai Nikolai spelled n I c 3283 03:06:18.200 --> 03:06:23.000 h O l I Volkov representing Russia. The Cold War 3284 03:06:23.520 --> 03:06:27.000 was never like this. McMahon expects there that there will 3285 03:06:27.040 --> 03:06:29.840 be more main events and that the WWE will be 3286 03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:30.600 back in Tampta. 3287 03:06:31.399 --> 03:06:35.280 We've got a great following down there. He also feels 3288 03:06:35.319 --> 03:06:37.959 the interest in wrestling hasn't peaked yet. What's next? 3289 03:06:38.280 --> 03:06:40.680 We go, well, you know, we're thinking about an award 3290 03:06:40.719 --> 03:06:41.959 show for the Spring Wow. 3291 03:06:42.040 --> 03:06:44.600 It would be like the Grammys, and we'd call it 3292 03:06:45.239 --> 03:06:48.239 the Slammies, and it would be a show where everything 3293 03:06:48.399 --> 03:06:50.440 you ever wished would happen at one of those events 3294 03:06:50.479 --> 03:06:54.840 would happen. That's his mentality. His mentality in the Slammies, 3295 03:06:54.959 --> 03:06:57.680 is like, because that's how he thinks is we don't 3296 03:06:57.680 --> 03:07:00.360 watch the Grammys and we want nothing more than for 3297 03:07:00.440 --> 03:07:02.479 all these musicians to just start beating the ship out of. 3298 03:07:02.440 --> 03:07:05.120 Each other, right, we want we want these fucking crazy 3299 03:07:05.159 --> 03:07:06.479 as Shenanigans to break down. 3300 03:07:07.280 --> 03:07:11.239 Of course we don't. And no, not at all, not 3301 03:07:11.360 --> 03:07:13.559 even close. I just want to see the great serenaded 3302 03:07:13.639 --> 03:07:17.159 and give speeches and you know, have quality set up 3303 03:07:17.200 --> 03:07:19.120 for recognition exactly. 3304 03:07:20.399 --> 03:07:21.799 But no, what people really want to see is they 3305 03:07:21.840 --> 03:07:24.239 want to see They want to see the then the 3306 03:07:24.319 --> 03:07:27.319 musicians harassed the interviewers, right, they want to see the 3307 03:07:27.440 --> 03:07:31.159 musicians fight each other when when they when one isn't 3308 03:07:31.200 --> 03:07:33.159 given the award. I mean, this is what people want 3309 03:07:33.200 --> 03:07:33.479 to see. 3310 03:07:34.680 --> 03:07:37.920 I've asked people, and for good measure, they can throw 3311 03:07:38.000 --> 03:07:41.479 food around and maybe make jokes about schatology. 3312 03:07:41.639 --> 03:07:44.799 I you know, I I walk around my neighborhood and 3313 03:07:44.840 --> 03:07:46.520 I say, hey, you know what do you want to 3314 03:07:46.520 --> 03:07:50.200 see an award show? Do you want to see violence 3315 03:07:50.239 --> 03:07:53.399 at an award show? And they said, well, I don't know. 3316 03:07:53.520 --> 03:07:59.200 I said, you do, don't you start? I know you, 3317 03:08:00.159 --> 03:08:00.760 I know you do. 3318 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:05.840 I know you want to see violence in an award show. Sure, sure, whatever, Vince, 3319 03:08:05.920 --> 03:08:12.120 just whatever you say there, it is fact. He expects 3320 03:08:12.159 --> 03:08:16.360 it will be carried by a major network. And you know, 3321 03:08:16.559 --> 03:08:18.520 there could be a movie too. You know, we're talking 3322 03:08:18.559 --> 03:08:22.719 to Warner Brothers right now. A WWE wrestling movie is 3323 03:08:22.920 --> 03:08:23.559 very possible. 3324 03:08:25.000 --> 03:08:25.440 Possible. 3325 03:08:25.600 --> 03:08:29.440 Apparently nothing is impossible when it comes to McMahon and 3326 03:08:29.600 --> 03:08:30.799 the WWE. 3327 03:08:31.399 --> 03:08:34.760 Just love getting to him when it's in the formative stages, 3328 03:08:34.799 --> 03:08:37.959 in the larval stages in his mind. Yes, thinking about 3329 03:08:38.000 --> 03:08:39.000 doing something in the spring. 3330 03:08:40.040 --> 03:08:44.440 We got ideas for a potential award program comes springtime. 3331 03:08:44.479 --> 03:08:47.040 You know, let maybe a different style of vehicle that 3332 03:08:47.239 --> 03:08:52.040 may promote other aspects of the WWE and the ww 3333 03:08:52.200 --> 03:08:54.559 talent roster that may You. 3334 03:08:54.600 --> 03:08:54.920 Know, we. 3335 03:08:56.479 --> 03:09:01.159 Have a multitude of brand extensions that could entertain people 3336 03:09:01.239 --> 03:09:03.159 for eons and decades to. 3337 03:09:03.200 --> 03:09:09.440 Come, eons, first in decades. He I love how he starts. 3338 03:09:09.760 --> 03:09:11.200 He starts the line of thought. 3339 03:09:11.000 --> 03:09:16.559 With, well, yeah, well, well, you know we have various 3340 03:09:17.040 --> 03:09:19.680 you know, we're always brainstorming here and me and the 3341 03:09:19.799 --> 03:09:23.559 creative department of the World's Entertainment here in Stanford, Connecticut. 3342 03:09:23.680 --> 03:09:28.079 We believe that brainstorming is the basis for all ideas. 3343 03:09:30.639 --> 03:09:34.200 Well thank God for that. So that's him in the 3344 03:09:34.239 --> 03:09:36.559 months before the slam He's how about weeks after the 3345 03:09:36.600 --> 03:09:39.959 Slamies April fifth, nineteen eighty six, The Financial Post in Toronto, 3346 03:09:40.280 --> 03:09:43.200 Pro Wrestling's rich new grip promoter Vince McMahon took an 3347 03:09:43.200 --> 03:09:45.639 old idea and made it big money spectacle on both 3348 03:09:45.760 --> 03:09:50.159 sides of the border. It's sport, showbiz, vaudeville, and morality 3349 03:09:50.200 --> 03:09:52.600 play all rolled into one. Wherever you heard that whole 3350 03:09:52.680 --> 03:09:55.559 fucking litanyah right, it takes place. He met a carnival 3351 03:09:55.639 --> 03:09:58.079 like atmosphere and sports arenas in the biggest cities, in 3352 03:09:58.120 --> 03:10:00.959 the smallest of towns. It's rolling across the continent like 3353 03:10:01.040 --> 03:10:04.479 a jug or not. Professional wrestling Ryal Wrestling Federation style 3354 03:10:04.920 --> 03:10:08.280 is rapidly becoming a multi million dollar, multi media, multi 3355 03:10:08.360 --> 03:10:11.399 u name it phenomenon. The brains behind all this, braun 3356 03:10:11.639 --> 03:10:15.399 is the Wiley Vince McMahon, president of Titan Sports Incorporated 3357 03:10:15.479 --> 03:10:18.639 of Greenwich, Connecticut. His company controls the WWF and its 3358 03:10:18.760 --> 03:10:23.200 myriad of clever spinoff, licensing and merchandising enterprises. He's a 3359 03:10:23.239 --> 03:10:26.399 third generation promoter who not content with the little wrestling 3360 03:10:26.440 --> 03:10:28.680 empire in the Eastern US he inherited from his father 3361 03:10:28.799 --> 03:10:31.719 and grandfather several years ago, is taking his show all 3362 03:10:31.760 --> 03:10:35.239 over the US. In Canada, prior to McMahon in his 3363 03:10:35.360 --> 03:10:39.760 show of Bravado Wrestling was strictly a regional affair. There 3364 03:10:39.799 --> 03:10:43.600 we go with promoters working within smallish boundaries, tying up 3365 03:10:43.639 --> 03:10:47.040 several states or provinces exclusively and leaving outside markets to 3366 03:10:47.120 --> 03:10:50.239 their competitors. Yes, I mean well, Neil, those are the 3367 03:10:50.319 --> 03:10:54.680 things that we know. We contributed to the nationalization of 3368 03:10:55.399 --> 03:10:59.440 professional entertainment as a whole, as well as the oil industry. Absolutely, 3369 03:10:59.600 --> 03:11:09.280 we we solidified oil to create a base of uh 3370 03:11:09.959 --> 03:11:16.360 sort of o peck emphasis on peck. And then they 3371 03:11:16.399 --> 03:11:18.479 get Jack Tunny quoted. He says this idea has been 3372 03:11:18.520 --> 03:11:22.159 around for years. Says, in admiring Jack Tunny press, Can 3373 03:11:22.239 --> 03:11:24.239 we can we get someone to just write something in 3374 03:11:24.319 --> 03:11:26.760 the voice of Jack Tunny. Please, I don't care who 3375 03:11:26.760 --> 03:11:28.639 it is, Jack, say this. Please just sit go and 3376 03:11:28.719 --> 03:11:33.280 say this. Listen, answer the phone. They're going to ask 3377 03:11:33.360 --> 03:11:36.520 you a question. Ignore the question, just say what's on 3378 03:11:36.719 --> 03:11:39.319 the paper? How funny is it a legitimate news reporter 3379 03:11:39.440 --> 03:11:42.639 interviewing Jack Tunny like he's the actual president of the data. Yes, 3380 03:11:42.760 --> 03:11:44.920 I mean, well, we want you to if you if 3381 03:11:44.920 --> 03:11:48.600 you're interested, we do. I wouldn't mind you to introduce 3382 03:11:48.639 --> 03:11:50.840 you to somebody, to introduce you to the president of 3383 03:11:50.879 --> 03:11:54.639 the company. Uh, you know who was of a much 3384 03:11:55.200 --> 03:11:58.520 more important status than I am. I'm simply the the 3385 03:11:58.799 --> 03:12:02.360 the the developer of sorts, mister Jack Toney. Jack, please standings, 3386 03:12:02.440 --> 03:12:04.319 please meet this reporter here. I believe his first name 3387 03:12:04.360 --> 03:12:10.159 is Howard. Thank you, Howard. Hey, I sound like David Lynch. 3388 03:12:10.360 --> 03:12:10.559 Yeah. 3389 03:12:11.559 --> 03:12:15.959 Yeah, Jack Toney had Lynch qualities. He did just a 3390 03:12:16.000 --> 03:12:18.600 small touch of Lynch. He was like a lost, lost 3391 03:12:18.879 --> 03:12:22.159 lost Lynch. Yes, yeah, but yeah. They're also interviewing him 3392 03:12:22.159 --> 03:12:24.159 in his capacity is, as they say, here, Canada's top 3393 03:12:24.200 --> 03:12:26.920 wrestling promoter based in Toronto, which, of course, when Vince 3394 03:12:26.959 --> 03:12:29.360 made the deal to push into Toronto, he formed a 3395 03:12:30.319 --> 03:12:33.200 venture with the Tunny family and they split profits, and 3396 03:12:33.280 --> 03:12:35.319 they split them richly. The Tonnies got pretty much the 3397 03:12:35.360 --> 03:12:37.200 best deal of anyone that got into bed with Vince. 3398 03:12:37.719 --> 03:12:40.040 I think that's really the key right there. It's really 3399 03:12:40.120 --> 03:12:42.600 about venturing, right, That's what it was. 3400 03:12:42.920 --> 03:12:43.159 It was. 3401 03:12:43.280 --> 03:12:46.200 It was business venture after business venture. I mean, I 3402 03:12:46.239 --> 03:12:48.399 should take that back. We haven't seen all the language 3403 03:12:48.399 --> 03:12:52.399 of all the NDAs. So maybe some people got better 3404 03:12:52.479 --> 03:12:54.840 money for getting into bed with Vince. But as far 3405 03:12:54.920 --> 03:12:56.559 as as far as this goes, well, I can tell 3406 03:12:56.559 --> 03:12:59.239 you and there have been many women who've gotten plenty 3407 03:12:59.239 --> 03:13:00.120 of money and going to bed. 3408 03:13:00.159 --> 03:13:00.399 With me. 3409 03:13:02.680 --> 03:13:05.639 And you, and you're proud of that fact. Hey, listen, 3410 03:13:06.200 --> 03:13:12.040 I believe in paying for services. I believe in the 3411 03:13:12.079 --> 03:13:15.399 service industry. How amazing is it that he makes that 3412 03:13:15.479 --> 03:13:18.040 sound noble? I believe in paying for sir, well, I 3413 03:13:18.120 --> 03:13:20.120 guess when you put it that way. 3414 03:13:20.000 --> 03:13:20.440 I do too. 3415 03:13:21.360 --> 03:13:25.319 Absolutely, it's not a it's not so abnormal as people 3416 03:13:25.559 --> 03:13:30.040 like to put it. I believe it is indeed truly normal, 3417 03:13:31.879 --> 03:13:32.600 not abnormal. 3418 03:13:33.920 --> 03:13:36.479 A lot of people, Tenny says, get great ideas and 3419 03:13:36.520 --> 03:13:38.559 then fold up when they run into restrictions. But he 3420 03:13:38.680 --> 03:13:44.719 had the guts to keep going. Okay, say can you 3421 03:13:44.799 --> 03:13:45.159 do that again? 3422 03:13:45.159 --> 03:13:45.399 Please? 3423 03:13:46.840 --> 03:13:50.040 I don't think it was delivered in the proper tonality. 3424 03:13:51.159 --> 03:13:57.479 This idea of is right Tony's saying. You know, other 3425 03:13:57.520 --> 03:13:59.799 promoters have tried to take over the entire world before. 3426 03:14:00.079 --> 03:14:04.520 It didn't back off Vince Junior back didn't back off 3427 03:14:04.559 --> 03:14:06.840 another's diad. They got cold, They got cold feet when 3428 03:14:06.920 --> 03:14:08.920 the globe was at stake. Now they got cold feet 3429 03:14:08.959 --> 03:14:14.959 once they got to Toronto. Three weekly okay. McMahon's marketing 3430 03:14:15.079 --> 03:14:17.159 arsenal includes the use of this as well as the 3431 03:14:17.239 --> 03:14:22.440 Northern territories right. Three weekly syndicated TV shows on nearly 3432 03:14:22.440 --> 03:14:25.079 one hundred and ninety independent stations in the US and Canada. 3433 03:14:25.399 --> 03:14:28.799 Eight annual ninety minute specials. Good, No, there's eight Saturday 3434 03:14:28.879 --> 03:14:31.200 nights made events? Is there eight? Or six? Is there eight? 3435 03:14:31.600 --> 03:14:31.799 Well? 3436 03:14:32.239 --> 03:14:35.120 In eighty six there were no. Usually it's like six. 3437 03:14:35.239 --> 03:14:38.639 But but you know, hold on, that's something I think 3438 03:14:38.840 --> 03:14:42.559 in eighty eighty six there were there were quite a few. 3439 03:14:43.319 --> 03:14:45.120 Yeah, and this article was written in eighty six, and 3440 03:14:45.159 --> 03:14:47.719 fairness to the author, so they have no way of 3441 03:14:47.799 --> 03:14:54.280 knowing whether NBC would order less uh in the future years. 3442 03:14:54.360 --> 03:14:58.399 So we're looking at I mean one, two, three, four, five, 3443 03:14:58.840 --> 03:15:01.559 five five five okay, so five and eighty six. 3444 03:15:02.079 --> 03:15:04.879 But there were I'll tell you what, But but there were. 3445 03:15:06.360 --> 03:15:06.559 Eight? 3446 03:15:07.879 --> 03:15:09.920 When was this article written? Eighty six? 3447 03:15:10.600 --> 03:15:10.639 What? 3448 03:15:10.840 --> 03:15:10.879 What? 3449 03:15:11.120 --> 03:15:14.600 What month? I'll hold on's exactly how many? April fifth, 3450 03:15:14.680 --> 03:15:17.280 nineteen eighty six? Oh god, I mean so at that 3451 03:15:17.360 --> 03:15:22.120 point one, two three, there have been five at that 3452 03:15:22.239 --> 03:15:27.360 point in total starting losing a five five Yeah, they 3453 03:15:27.360 --> 03:15:30.520 have been five six yeah. I mean maybe maybe that's 3454 03:15:30.520 --> 03:15:33.239 a little glimpse on the curtain. Maybe maybe NBC had 3455 03:15:33.239 --> 03:15:36.200 an option for eight. You know, yeah, maybe exercise it. 3456 03:15:37.479 --> 03:15:38.920 Why else would you put a number in there? 3457 03:15:39.000 --> 03:15:39.159 You know? 3458 03:15:39.799 --> 03:15:42.479 A weekly animated children's TV show on CBS called Hulk 3459 03:15:42.479 --> 03:15:45.680 Hogan's Rock and Wrestling. Hogan is the WWA World Heavyweight Champion. 3460 03:15:45.760 --> 03:15:49.000 The show is the network second most popular Saturday daytime program. 3461 03:15:49.479 --> 03:15:51.799 I don't know if you're aware, but the current champion 3462 03:15:51.879 --> 03:15:54.520 is Hulk Hogan. Let me introduce you to our our 3463 03:15:54.559 --> 03:15:59.399 Matt n Idol, if you will. That was Awithstanding, America's 3464 03:15:59.399 --> 03:16:01.879 SWEETHEARTY know what, he's a He's a matine idol. He's 3465 03:16:01.879 --> 03:16:04.200 also a late night idol, right emphasis It depends on 3466 03:16:04.440 --> 03:16:07.680 depends on when, what type of day he's idling, but 3467 03:16:07.879 --> 03:16:13.040 he is an idolator. He does engage in idolatry. And 3468 03:16:13.120 --> 03:16:14.760 when I talk about a matinee idol, I put the 3469 03:16:14.799 --> 03:16:21.040 emphasis on Matt. He's a matte idol. There's no way, 3470 03:16:21.639 --> 03:16:24.680 there's no way. There's never been a profile of Hulkgan 3471 03:16:24.760 --> 03:16:27.120 where it says matinee IDOL and m at R all 3472 03:16:27.200 --> 03:16:30.760 capital letters. Oh that had to happen. That's pretty wild. 3473 03:16:30.840 --> 03:16:34.120 Think about this. They're on NBC, they're on USA, they're 3474 03:16:34.159 --> 03:16:37.360 on CBS in the form of rock and Wrestling, and 3475 03:16:37.360 --> 03:16:41.479 they're on MTV. Yeah. They are as wild. Yeah, every platform. 3476 03:16:41.600 --> 03:16:43.600 I mean, it's like it's kind of funny, you know 3477 03:16:43.680 --> 03:16:45.959 that make a big deal out of being on you know, 3478 03:16:46.159 --> 03:16:50.760 USA and Fox. Yeah, you know, yeah, and it's like nothing. 3479 03:16:51.840 --> 03:16:54.159 So they were, they were all over the place, and 3480 03:16:54.319 --> 03:16:57.799 they were not just on these stations. They were like 3481 03:16:58.319 --> 03:17:01.920 hot commodities on these stags were these days were sought after. Yep, 3482 03:17:02.000 --> 03:17:05.040 we were the station. A hot selling album on CBS 3483 03:17:05.079 --> 03:17:07.680 Epic Records, featuring songs from many of the WWF top 3484 03:17:07.719 --> 03:17:10.159 wrestlers in three rock music videos to help sell it. 3485 03:17:10.840 --> 03:17:13.719 A bi monthly self promoting magazine called WWF that bos 3486 03:17:13.760 --> 03:17:16.159 the circulation of two hundred thousand, nearly twice that of 3487 03:17:16.200 --> 03:17:19.360 its nearest BI monthly. That's what it says. Yeah, I 3488 03:17:19.399 --> 03:17:23.120 think it was at that point. Wow. Yep. Oh, it's 3489 03:17:23.159 --> 03:17:25.079 a good trickle question for that. Back in the day, 3490 03:17:25.159 --> 03:17:28.760 I know she talk about the agonizing months between. 3491 03:17:28.959 --> 03:17:30.360 Really, I mean, that's just it like, you know, you 3492 03:17:30.399 --> 03:17:32.520 think about the four weeks, I have two weeks instead 3493 03:17:32.520 --> 03:17:34.639 of four weeks. I mean I would have I would 3494 03:17:34.639 --> 03:17:36.440 have I would have wet myself for that. 3495 03:17:36.600 --> 03:17:38.200 Yeah. When I read that, it kind of gets me 3496 03:17:38.280 --> 03:17:41.120 excited because whenever I've seen like archives of the magazines, 3497 03:17:41.120 --> 03:17:43.000 it always seems like there's a ton missing. But maybe 3498 03:17:43.079 --> 03:17:45.680 it's just the BI monthly era. Yeah, I have to say, 3499 03:17:45.680 --> 03:17:48.559 I do not know when they went monthly wrestle Maybe 3500 03:17:48.639 --> 03:17:52.360 BI monthly is two months, yeah, every two months. What 3501 03:17:52.440 --> 03:17:55.479 would be two in a month. There's not a word 3502 03:17:55.479 --> 03:17:56.959 for that as far as I know, I'm thinking two 3503 03:17:57.000 --> 03:17:59.120 in a month. Maybe BI weekly, wouldn't it if it's 3504 03:17:59.120 --> 03:17:59.760 two in a month, I. 3505 03:17:59.760 --> 03:18:03.040 Guess, well, I guess that's true every Yeah. See that's 3506 03:18:03.079 --> 03:18:04.639 what I was thinking. You were saying that that would 3507 03:18:04.639 --> 03:18:07.200 have been great. BI monthly would have been awful. 3508 03:18:07.200 --> 03:18:09.559 Oh no, bye bye. Weekly weekly would have been like 3509 03:18:09.639 --> 03:18:14.319 the deserver, fucking just on fucking run off a roof 3510 03:18:14.399 --> 03:18:16.440 to grab well. They would have had to hire six 3511 03:18:16.559 --> 03:18:19.520 editors a year, because I mean, Jesus Christ, that's a 3512 03:18:19.600 --> 03:18:22.239 lot of work. WrestleMania, now in its second year, an 3513 03:18:22.239 --> 03:18:25.719 annual close circuit TV extravaganza held each spring. TV stars 3514 03:18:25.760 --> 03:18:27.920 like Joan Rivers and Kathy Lee Crosby will help notte 3515 03:18:27.920 --> 03:18:31.079 WrestleMania to April seventh as well. Mister T will box 3516 03:18:31.159 --> 03:18:34.079 in it, and sports personalities like William the Refrigerator, Perry 3517 03:18:34.079 --> 03:18:36.360 and Ed two Tall Jones will wrestle in it. Yeah, 3518 03:18:36.399 --> 03:18:38.639 when we played that Chicago Bears a super Bowl song, 3519 03:18:39.120 --> 03:18:42.680 no shortage of wressel Mania. Two participants in that thing. Absolutely, 3520 03:18:42.840 --> 03:18:45.280 The licensing of more than forty products and toys, the 3521 03:18:45.319 --> 03:18:47.360 staging of more than eight hundred shows annually in the 3522 03:18:47.479 --> 03:18:49.760 US and Canada. You can say that staging of is 3523 03:18:49.799 --> 03:18:51.959 going to say staging of multitude of matches as well 3524 03:18:52.079 --> 03:18:54.879 staging of fights. Yes, all this in less than two 3525 03:18:54.959 --> 03:18:58.559 and a half years. New York based LGN Toys Limited 3526 03:18:58.920 --> 03:19:01.239 is the master toy lice see of the WWF, selling 3527 03:19:01.239 --> 03:19:03.840 everything from eight inch wrestling dolls there it is oh 3528 03:19:05.360 --> 03:19:09.040 Helkamania exercise equipment. How many young hulkamaniac rock and wrestling 3529 03:19:09.120 --> 03:19:12.360 kids opened a LJN on Christmas morning in eighty six 3530 03:19:12.440 --> 03:19:14.399 a week to have their grandmother call it a doll? 3531 03:19:15.520 --> 03:19:16.559 Did you get the doll? 3532 03:19:16.719 --> 03:19:17.559 Or what he get? 3533 03:19:17.600 --> 03:19:19.280 One of those dolls. Did you get one of those 3534 03:19:19.319 --> 03:19:20.280 wrestling dolls? 3535 03:19:21.920 --> 03:19:22.399 Grandma? 3536 03:19:22.799 --> 03:19:26.799 Fuck you right, That's where all started. The dolls were 3537 03:19:26.840 --> 03:19:28.840 the main feature of the wrestling line. Last year. More 3538 03:19:28.879 --> 03:19:31.120 than four million, four million were sold in the US 3539 03:19:31.440 --> 03:19:33.520 at six to eight dollars. While you're having a lot 3540 03:19:33.559 --> 03:19:35.280 of things on the table, While we have a lot 3541 03:19:35.319 --> 03:19:37.440 of things on the table, I should say wrestling has 3542 03:19:37.440 --> 03:19:40.719 improved the company, no question about it, says Andy Popolardo, 3543 03:19:40.840 --> 03:19:43.840 who is l jn's advertising manager. Wrestling. All of a sudden, 3544 03:19:43.840 --> 03:19:48.719 it has become so popular. It's like Americana almost took 3545 03:19:48.719 --> 03:19:50.680 a very careful note when he read that one that 3546 03:19:51.680 --> 03:19:58.280 I am Americana. And this from Peter Budge, director of 3547 03:19:58.520 --> 03:20:02.120 product manager of CBS Record Canada, which distributes the Wrestling 3548 03:20:02.120 --> 03:20:04.639 album in Canada on its Epic label in Canada, we're 3549 03:20:04.719 --> 03:20:07.079 very close to going platinum, which is one hundred thousand 3550 03:20:07.200 --> 03:20:10.840 units for an item perceived as a novelty record. That's phenomenal, 3551 03:20:11.000 --> 03:20:13.559 he said. All of pro wrestling is riding the wave 3552 03:20:13.600 --> 03:20:17.000 of popularity generated by the WWF. One broadcast salesman at 3553 03:20:17.000 --> 03:20:19.799 Titan Sports estimates paid attendance at pro wrestling is increased 3554 03:20:19.840 --> 03:20:22.319 by one third in North America in the past year. 3555 03:20:22.479 --> 03:20:26.000 After the WWF, there are two other major wrestling promotional groups, 3556 03:20:26.040 --> 03:20:28.799 the older National Wrestling Alliance based in the southern US, 3557 03:20:29.040 --> 03:20:32.520 and the American Wrestling Association, which operates in the midwestern US. 3558 03:20:32.959 --> 03:20:35.520 Quote since the WWF took off, there is also a 3559 03:20:35.600 --> 03:20:37.600 lot of little groups coming out of the woodwork every day, 3560 03:20:37.680 --> 03:20:40.440 says joh my God, he's not talking about awn NWA, 3561 03:20:40.520 --> 03:20:44.799 and he says that a series. Not No, says John Ort, 3562 03:20:44.959 --> 03:20:47.600 publisher of New Jersey based Wrestling Eye magazine. Do you 3563 03:20:47.600 --> 03:20:50.239 remember wrestling? I No, I don't know that one at all. 3564 03:20:50.280 --> 03:20:51.799 We know and then you'd see that on the newstands, 3565 03:20:52.520 --> 03:20:54.680 one of roughly twenty five such publications on the market, 3566 03:20:54.760 --> 03:20:59.360 twenty five different wrestling magazines, going wow, you imagine, God, 3567 03:20:59.520 --> 03:21:03.200 just drop me off, drop me off, because Saturday's accounted for. 3568 03:21:03.920 --> 03:21:08.319 Saturday's accounted for. Oh as, come on, all right, that's 3569 03:21:08.479 --> 03:21:12.000 just I would actually want to go shopping. So yeah, 3570 03:21:12.120 --> 03:21:13.840 so I could go to the magazine area and have like, 3571 03:21:14.040 --> 03:21:15.719 of course, are you kidding? 3572 03:21:15.799 --> 03:21:16.159 I was. 3573 03:21:16.440 --> 03:21:20.840 That was one of my fucking stops, always one of 3574 03:21:20.920 --> 03:21:23.959 my stops, you know, at I had, I had, you know, 3575 03:21:24.799 --> 03:21:27.120 basically four stores I wanted to go to. When I 3576 03:21:27.159 --> 03:21:32.280 went to the mall, it was usually KB Toys even 3577 03:21:32.959 --> 03:21:36.719 you know, obviously into my twenties. As long as KB 3578 03:21:36.840 --> 03:21:40.280 was around, I was seeing what what wrestling figures were available, 3579 03:21:40.319 --> 03:21:44.000 to see what's going exactly. I would go to Suncoast Video. 3580 03:21:44.799 --> 03:21:48.639 I would go to I don't know, straw whatever it 3581 03:21:48.680 --> 03:21:52.079 with strawberries or some some record shop. Yes, I would 3582 03:21:52.120 --> 03:21:55.120 go to. And then I would go to the magazine, 3583 03:21:55.399 --> 03:21:58.920 the magaz the Hudson News, so that I could see what, 3584 03:22:00.120 --> 03:22:02.319 you know, what wrestling magazines were available, who was on 3585 03:22:02.399 --> 03:22:05.879 the cover? What can I what is what is getting 3586 03:22:05.920 --> 03:22:07.319 me interested? 3587 03:22:07.559 --> 03:22:07.639 Right? 3588 03:22:08.920 --> 03:22:14.520 Always it was amazing and time that will never you know, 3589 03:22:15.479 --> 03:22:18.360 it's been ripped away from us. Yeah, it has. It has. 3590 03:22:20.680 --> 03:22:23.000 We say it all the time. Physical media, and that 3591 03:22:23.159 --> 03:22:31.520 includes magazines, media of physicality. Anyway, the WWAF refuses to 3592 03:22:31.559 --> 03:22:35.200 supply with pictures for his magazine. They've preferring to keep 3593 03:22:35.239 --> 03:22:37.200 total control of its product. You don't have to like them, 3594 03:22:37.239 --> 03:22:39.399 the WWF, but they've done a lot for themselves and 3595 03:22:39.440 --> 03:22:41.440 the rest of the business indirectly, whether they've wanted to 3596 03:22:41.600 --> 03:22:43.479 or not. McMahon is a genius in his own time. 3597 03:22:43.600 --> 03:22:45.239 You've got to give the devil his due, he says. 3598 03:22:45.520 --> 03:22:48.520 McMahon's marketing prowess has unveiled a new and growing audience. 3599 03:22:48.760 --> 03:22:50.639 It's not purely the blue collar sport. A lot of 3600 03:22:50.639 --> 03:22:53.319 people think it is, says one Titan salesman. The professional 3601 03:22:53.399 --> 03:22:56.520 managerial class and upper income people are well represented. A 3602 03:22:56.559 --> 03:22:58.000 lot of people have come out of the closet to 3603 03:22:58.040 --> 03:23:04.360 admit they're wrestling fans. Mcmon's that's so funny. Even did 3604 03:23:04.399 --> 03:23:06.559 you know the professional managerial classes out there? 3605 03:23:11.440 --> 03:23:11.639 Oh? 3606 03:23:11.920 --> 03:23:14.319 Those are the days, man, you're still coming. I mean, listen, 3607 03:23:14.360 --> 03:23:16.399 we're still coming out of closet for that ship. Look, 3608 03:23:16.440 --> 03:23:19.879 it's not all blue collar. This guy owns eight TGI 3609 03:23:20.040 --> 03:23:24.719 Fridays in Greater Cleveland. Mcmon's leading attraction is the charismatic 3610 03:23:24.799 --> 03:23:27.040 Hogan at six eight three ten pounds. 3611 03:23:27.079 --> 03:23:31.280 The hulkster is wit charismatic dude, charismatic brother? 3612 03:23:31.639 --> 03:23:33.719 What is that? What was that? A? 3613 03:23:34.280 --> 03:23:37.440 Is that sarcasm? Dude? Right? 3614 03:23:37.479 --> 03:23:37.600 Well? 3615 03:23:37.760 --> 03:23:40.079 Are you saying that, I'm what do you mean by Charris? 3616 03:23:40.239 --> 03:23:41.079 What's your what's your deal? 3617 03:23:41.120 --> 03:23:41.319 Dude? 3618 03:23:41.799 --> 03:23:46.200 Are you saying I have the riz brother? The rizz 3619 03:23:46.239 --> 03:24:00.239 t is the Tis or ish Tis? Wait? Is nay, 3620 03:24:00.479 --> 03:24:14.840 brother who mhmm, it works now tis tis now the 3621 03:24:14.959 --> 03:24:19.479 witching of the night. Tis but my name, that is 3622 03:24:19.520 --> 03:24:25.159 my enemy. But now when when you say tiss at 3623 03:24:25.200 --> 03:24:31.600 the bar, dude, he starts, he starts reading like old English, 3624 03:24:31.719 --> 03:24:38.000 tis for for it is, it's right, tis nobler, nobler 3625 03:24:38.040 --> 03:24:40.559 for what tis is nobler than what brother w W. 3626 03:24:41.200 --> 03:24:45.120 I can get behind that, dude, brother, laser spine I'm nobler. 3627 03:24:46.040 --> 03:24:48.600 What if Hogan came back and did the triple H 3628 03:24:49.239 --> 03:24:55.799 offensive set, he'd do the laser spinebuster? You know that, right? Yes? 3629 03:24:55.959 --> 03:24:56.639 I do, I do. 3630 03:24:57.280 --> 03:24:59.920 I can confirm that he would do that at six A, 3631 03:25:00.000 --> 03:25:04.280 three hundred ten pounds the whole state budget. I can't 3632 03:25:04.319 --> 03:25:06.639 believe we didn't say that during TNH. I can't believe. 3633 03:25:07.120 --> 03:25:09.639 I can't believe that either. That's tremendous. Shout out to 3634 03:25:09.920 --> 03:25:12.959 the homie John who's taking another jaunt through TNH. God 3635 03:25:13.000 --> 03:25:15.840 blessed those those brave souls. Oh my god. Yeah, I 3636 03:25:15.920 --> 03:25:18.159 won't is as imposing a figure outside the ring as 3637 03:25:18.200 --> 03:25:18.799 he is inside. 3638 03:25:19.040 --> 03:25:19.360 I don't know. 3639 03:25:19.479 --> 03:25:23.600 Just something tells me us resurfacing TNA like we did 3640 03:25:23.719 --> 03:25:26.239 that time is going to lead to I don't know. 3641 03:25:26.959 --> 03:25:29.959 Just like a short term moment of TNA nostalgia where 3642 03:25:29.959 --> 03:25:31.639 people are going to be looking back at what happened. 3643 03:25:32.920 --> 03:25:35.280 A former rock musician in Bodybuilder, Hogan is one of 3644 03:25:35.319 --> 03:25:37.680 the most sought after celebrities in Hollywood. He has made 3645 03:25:37.680 --> 03:25:40.399 appearances on Saturday Night Live, love Boat in the A Team, 3646 03:25:40.600 --> 03:25:43.639 He has his own animated TV show, numerous licensed products, 3647 03:25:43.719 --> 03:25:46.680 countless personal appearances, not to mention beating up opponents with 3648 03:25:46.799 --> 03:25:49.840 names like the Magnificent Morocco, Big John stud and King 3649 03:25:49.959 --> 03:25:51.600 Kong Bundy three or four times a week. 3650 03:25:53.000 --> 03:25:53.239 Wow. 3651 03:25:53.600 --> 03:25:56.559 WWF's original strength lay in Madison Square Garden in New York, 3652 03:25:56.639 --> 03:25:59.280 considered the mecha wrestling in North America, but the phenomenon 3653 03:25:59.280 --> 03:26:01.680 has spread to the NaSTA County Coliseum on Long Island. 3654 03:26:01.719 --> 03:26:04.680 Oh wow, that's a fucking You talk about a brand extension, 3655 03:26:05.639 --> 03:26:09.479 that's a forty five minute drive. I can't. I can't 3656 03:26:09.479 --> 03:26:11.799 believe they're going that far. Spectrum in Philly, the Meadowlands 3657 03:26:11.840 --> 03:26:13.799 in New Jersey, in the Capital Center in Orlando, Ver, Maryland. 3658 03:26:13.879 --> 03:26:16.319 Yet I mean all these fucking I mean, listen, not 3659 03:26:16.399 --> 03:26:17.680 even Philadelphia is that far. 3660 03:26:17.840 --> 03:26:20.040 Those are all markets they were in before this expansion, 3661 03:26:20.120 --> 03:26:22.760 right exactly, very curious to put it that way. Well, 3662 03:26:22.840 --> 03:26:25.239 Madison is where Garden is historically been a wrestling sellout 3663 03:26:25.280 --> 03:26:27.239 with its twenty two thousand plus fans. Even prior to 3664 03:26:27.319 --> 03:26:30.280 its WWAF association. The other four locations now played a 3665 03:26:30.319 --> 03:26:32.799 packed houses of fifteen to seventeen thousand, where's before they 3666 03:26:32.840 --> 03:26:35.040 were in the nine to ten thousand range. Drawn up 3667 03:26:35.040 --> 03:26:37.399 motor Tunny switched to the WF from the NBA in 3668 03:26:37.479 --> 03:26:39.760 July nineteen eighty four and hasn't looked back. We've been 3669 03:26:41.639 --> 03:26:44.440 hasn't looked back because he doesn't know how. He was 3670 03:26:44.479 --> 03:26:47.879 busy in Alzheimer's patient through the whole We've been bringing 3671 03:26:47.920 --> 03:26:50.319 in shows to make Believe Garden since nineteen thirty one, 3672 03:26:50.360 --> 03:26:52.760 and we've always done well, but with the WWF we've 3673 03:26:52.799 --> 03:26:54.719 been doing a capacity business twice a month for the 3674 03:26:54.760 --> 03:26:57.760 past five months. Donny also brings WF cards into smaller 3675 03:26:57.799 --> 03:26:59.600 arenas all over Ontario elsewhere. 3676 03:26:59.600 --> 03:27:03.840 I've been oh to tell you that the WWE is 3677 03:27:04.040 --> 03:27:05.520 better than anything I've done. 3678 03:27:07.680 --> 03:27:09.799 And that's a quote, and this is not set under 3679 03:27:09.879 --> 03:27:13.600 duress or in there any personal fear of reprisal. It 3680 03:27:14.040 --> 03:27:18.319 says here that I chose to tell you this elsewhere 3681 03:27:18.399 --> 03:27:21.000 in Canada. Alberta and Quebec are also wrestling hot beds, 3682 03:27:21.000 --> 03:27:23.319 although they don't get WDBF cards yet. Oh that's not true. 3683 03:27:23.479 --> 03:27:26.920 They were going to Quebec already definitely out and that 3684 03:27:27.200 --> 03:27:30.120 Jacques came in in eighty four. I think it was, yeah, 3685 03:27:30.159 --> 03:27:33.520 something like that. Yeah, Alberta and Manitoba get AWA cards, 3686 03:27:33.600 --> 03:27:36.079 Quebec gets the IWF. Well, that's true. That was the 3687 03:27:36.159 --> 03:27:40.520 Deno Bravo outfit, but that was not the only game 3688 03:27:40.600 --> 03:27:43.159 in town. They had already started to do some shows 3689 03:27:43.200 --> 03:27:45.239 up there in the US. Mcmaon the wrestlming and two 3690 03:27:45.280 --> 03:27:47.200 is seeking to crack the major markets of Chicago and 3691 03:27:47.239 --> 03:27:50.479 Los Angeles. Wressellmingia two will feature three live shows emanating 3692 03:27:50.479 --> 03:27:53.360 from the Los Angeles Sports Arena, Nassau Coliseum, and the 3693 03:27:53.440 --> 03:27:56.120 Rosemont Horizon outside of Chicago. The key matches from each 3694 03:27:56.120 --> 03:27:58.520 will be piped across the continent live on close Circuit TV. 3695 03:27:58.840 --> 03:28:00.840 There will be more than one point five million people 3696 03:28:00.920 --> 03:28:03.440 paying up to fourteen dollars a ticket to watch WrestleMania 3697 03:28:03.479 --> 03:28:07.559 two in North America, including twelve locations across Canada. How 3698 03:28:07.600 --> 03:28:10.959 do you know, I guess they already sold one point 3699 03:28:11.000 --> 03:28:14.799 five million closed circuit tickets. That's fucking amazing. Wow, that's crazy. 3700 03:28:15.319 --> 03:28:18.079 The WBF stars all have exclusive contracts with Titan Sports 3701 03:28:18.120 --> 03:28:21.440 for their services. Yeah, I'm sure they do. Yeah right, yeah, 3702 03:28:22.399 --> 03:28:24.920 Ironclad pushed in front of them at a TV tape 3703 03:28:24.920 --> 03:28:26.879 being signed or get shot in the head, you know, 3704 03:28:27.479 --> 03:28:30.040 once they realized how much money is coming in. I've 3705 03:28:30.120 --> 03:28:33.840 never threatened if I didn't have to. Didn't we read 3706 03:28:33.879 --> 03:28:34.399 the contract? 3707 03:28:34.719 --> 03:28:34.920 Yeah? 3708 03:28:34.920 --> 03:28:37.239 We read it because because it came out where he 3709 03:28:37.360 --> 03:28:40.520 was like, we're all riding this wild train together, where 3710 03:28:40.520 --> 03:28:43.760 the exactly it's a fucking bullshit. Yeah yeah, Jerry Briscoe 3711 03:28:43.760 --> 03:28:46.079 found a copy in his archives, right, kind of the 3712 03:28:46.159 --> 03:28:48.799 first contracts they issued around to the talent once this 3713 03:28:49.000 --> 03:28:52.040 all this mania started to happen, and the rights to 3714 03:28:52.079 --> 03:28:54.920 merchandise their names on all the licensed product lines. Nobody 3715 03:28:55.000 --> 03:28:57.079 signing the checks will tell you the exact figures, but 3716 03:28:57.200 --> 03:28:58.840 many of the top good guys and bad guys are 3717 03:28:58.840 --> 03:29:01.079 said to be making in the two hundred to four 3718 03:29:01.159 --> 03:29:03.760 hundred thousand dollars range, and Hogan's anual net worth has 3719 03:29:03.799 --> 03:29:06.040 been pegged it anywhere from two point four million to 3720 03:29:06.079 --> 03:29:08.840 four million dollars by the WWF and at one million 3721 03:29:08.879 --> 03:29:11.760 dollars by wrestling eyes ort. But wrestlers earn every penny 3722 03:29:11.760 --> 03:29:13.920 they make. As far as Toney is concerned, it's a 3723 03:29:13.959 --> 03:29:15.959 hell of a grind. They're up in the morning nearly 3724 03:29:16.000 --> 03:29:18.360 every day to travel. They wrestle three or four times 3725 03:29:18.399 --> 03:29:20.920 a week, and when they're not fighting, they're doing TV interviews. 3726 03:29:20.959 --> 03:29:22.479 They're just isn't any time to sit at home and 3727 03:29:22.719 --> 03:29:25.520 count their money, because it's gone by the time they 3728 03:29:25.559 --> 03:29:29.159 get home. Exactly, They've already spent it on alcohol, drugs, yes, 3729 03:29:29.680 --> 03:29:33.200 sex women, yeap hotel rooms that the company won't pay 3730 03:29:33.280 --> 03:29:35.719 for meals, the company won't pay for health insurance, the 3731 03:29:35.760 --> 03:29:38.440 company won't pay for rental cars, the company won't pay 3732 03:29:38.479 --> 03:29:40.799 for I mean, listen, listen, I mean you know what 3733 03:29:40.920 --> 03:29:43.000 do you want all those things paid for? 3734 03:29:43.280 --> 03:29:44.200 You need? 3735 03:29:45.479 --> 03:29:47.319 I mean, you know we're talking about you know, where 3736 03:29:47.319 --> 03:29:49.280 where do you think the money comes from? And we're 3737 03:29:49.319 --> 03:29:51.159 giving you everything we can and you want us to 3738 03:29:51.159 --> 03:29:54.639 spend more on you. But you know what about the company? 3739 03:29:54.760 --> 03:29:54.879 Right? 3740 03:29:55.639 --> 03:29:58.760 What about us? The only reason they pay for your 3741 03:29:58.799 --> 03:30:01.399 flight tickets is so you can't try to cafade the 3742 03:30:01.440 --> 03:30:06.280 deal and get there late. Right, Exactly, exactly the way. 3743 03:30:06.360 --> 03:30:08.440 We know that you're there. We know where you are, 3744 03:30:08.600 --> 03:30:11.799 when you are, and why you are, and you take 3745 03:30:11.840 --> 03:30:13.639 the Red Eye. You know, you always take the earliest 3746 03:30:13.680 --> 03:30:17.079 flight so that you never have an excuse of being late. 3747 03:30:17.879 --> 03:30:20.040 So what's really so different from wrestling today compared to 3748 03:30:20.159 --> 03:30:23.559 bygone eras? They look better, work out more, and our 3749 03:30:23.600 --> 03:30:25.879 TV production is much better. Toney says, yeah, they work 3750 03:30:25.879 --> 03:30:30.319 out more, all right. Gorgeous George Yukon, Eric Whipper Watson, 3751 03:30:30.600 --> 03:30:32.959 they were big stars, but nothing like Hogan. He's big 3752 03:30:33.040 --> 03:30:35.079 in every corner of the world. If you look took 3753 03:30:35.120 --> 03:30:37.520 the Junkyard Dog, yes that's another wrestler, or the author. 3754 03:30:37.639 --> 03:30:39.959 We go and hopped a plane to Egypt, they'd know 3755 03:30:40.159 --> 03:30:43.520 him there. Oh my god, they'd know him there. Huh, boss, 3756 03:30:44.760 --> 03:30:47.399 I guess they would. If you're saying that, if he 3757 03:30:47.479 --> 03:30:49.440 was telling me that, then I'm then it must be true. 3758 03:30:49.959 --> 03:30:54.040 All these conditions resulted in, among other things, our topic 3759 03:30:54.120 --> 03:30:57.159 de jure, the nineteen eighty six Slammies, and with it 3760 03:30:57.239 --> 03:30:59.520 coming up in MTV, if you happen to be flicking 3761 03:30:59.559 --> 03:31:02.319 the channel, says, we used to do so joyously in America. 3762 03:31:02.879 --> 03:31:04.319 This may have been something you came across. 3763 03:31:05.600 --> 03:31:07.760 You've heard of the Oscaris, You've heard of the Grammys, 3764 03:31:07.959 --> 03:31:12.239 now MTV, the World Wrestling Generation Grace at the Slammies. 3765 03:31:13.559 --> 03:31:14.760 Drive and the slam Is. 3766 03:31:15.000 --> 03:31:16.239 That's because I'm different. 3767 03:31:19.799 --> 03:31:20.239 I love it. 3768 03:31:20.360 --> 03:31:23.959 The best best performing single artist. I'm gonna have to 3769 03:31:24.000 --> 03:31:26.040 pid myself, don't forget such a watches Baby. 3770 03:31:26.280 --> 03:31:28.479 Seven thirty eight o'clock launched the first. 3771 03:31:28.360 --> 03:31:32.639 Claws, MTV Baltimore Civic Center, the Slammy Awards. 3772 03:31:32.799 --> 03:31:34.600 Rock and Wrestling at its best. 3773 03:31:35.719 --> 03:31:38.479 Seven thirty eight. It's like the Jeopardy time slot right 3774 03:31:38.639 --> 03:31:44.920 exactly so bizarre. It's so bizarre. Playboy Magazine with this excerpt, 3775 03:31:44.959 --> 03:31:47.799 February first, nineteen eighty six, after the Wrestling album came out. 3776 03:31:48.040 --> 03:31:50.520 The rock and wrestling connection, much valuehooed by my part 3777 03:31:50.559 --> 03:31:53.680 time employer, MTV, is that both are ninety five percent 3778 03:31:53.760 --> 03:31:58.159 posturing and five percent substance, and my experience this ratio 3779 03:31:58.319 --> 03:31:59.920 tends to hold for the rest of life as well. 3780 03:32:00.159 --> 03:32:02.440 But it is easier to discern and rock and wrestling, 3781 03:32:02.520 --> 03:32:06.000 which I think makes both activities such inviting targets for 3782 03:32:06.079 --> 03:32:09.440 politicians across the ideological spectrum. Okay, we need to let 3783 03:32:09.559 --> 03:32:12.600 this author go yes, yep. I think it's about the 3784 03:32:12.680 --> 03:32:14.840 worst sentence I've ever read in my life. I think 3785 03:32:15.079 --> 03:32:18.440 he has I think that the fork needs to be 3786 03:32:18.479 --> 03:32:21.159 stuck inside this gentleman and playboy paid more per word 3787 03:32:21.200 --> 03:32:24.600 than anybody in those days. There is good posturing motivated 3788 03:32:24.639 --> 03:32:26.520 by P. T. Barnum style greed and the desire to 3789 03:32:26.600 --> 03:32:29.600 have fun. And there is evil posturing motivated by paranoia 3790 03:32:29.680 --> 03:32:31.760 and the desire to look like a hero. While weaseling 3791 03:32:31.799 --> 03:32:35.840 on the MX. What the wrestling album at paranoia? What 3792 03:32:35.879 --> 03:32:40.639 do you mean? What by various stars of the word 3793 03:32:40.639 --> 03:32:43.600 Wrestling Federation is posturing at its best? He declares, the 3794 03:32:43.600 --> 03:32:46.920 wrestling album Boss posturing at its best. Indeed, I think 3795 03:32:46.959 --> 03:32:48.799 we got to the bottom of that with Budrillard and 3796 03:32:49.959 --> 03:32:53.079 with the help of dere Dah for one thing, the 3797 03:32:53.159 --> 03:32:56.840 producers Rick Derringer, Joel Norn, Dave Wolf and Monaflombay Cindi 3798 03:32:56.920 --> 03:32:59.280 Lauper's new alter ego. We're smart enough to know that 3799 03:32:59.399 --> 03:33:03.360 funny music isn't funny. Serious music in a silly situation 3800 03:33:04.040 --> 03:33:07.079 is funny. Serious music in a silly situation is funny? 3801 03:33:07.120 --> 03:33:09.760 Were you talking about it? What the you saying? He's 3802 03:33:09.760 --> 03:33:12.360 just trying to say these songs are serious in a 3803 03:33:12.399 --> 03:33:15.360 silly way in and of themselves, oh my god. But 3804 03:33:15.479 --> 03:33:18.159 when presented by wrestlers, they take on a silliness that 3805 03:33:18.399 --> 03:33:22.319 makes them actually funny. No, no, wrong, that's wrong. Listen, 3806 03:33:22.440 --> 03:33:25.559 that's objectively wrong. Yeah, you get to stop, man, this 3807 03:33:25.639 --> 03:33:29.120 guy's gonna fucking stop. Hence, the musicians are playing crisp 3808 03:33:29.239 --> 03:33:31.959 pop in various styles and are not competing with the 3809 03:33:32.000 --> 03:33:35.200 singing wrestlers for exuberant awfulness. And boy are the singing 3810 03:33:35.200 --> 03:33:39.319 wrestlers exuberantly awful. Particular standouts are Rowdy Roddy Piper's for 3811 03:33:39.399 --> 03:33:43.760 Everybody actually Fuck Everybody, and Nikolai Volokov's astoundingly slurred Kadamia. 3812 03:33:44.280 --> 03:33:47.319 The one exception is Deringer's Real American, which is serious 3813 03:33:47.479 --> 03:33:51.959 we are an embattled minority style nationalism, which is a load. Okay, 3814 03:33:52.280 --> 03:33:58.680 this playboy writer calls Real American a load. One way 3815 03:33:58.680 --> 03:34:00.280 to look at it, drop a load. 3816 03:34:00.440 --> 03:34:00.600 Hm. 3817 03:34:02.239 --> 03:34:04.079 But if the rest of this record gets any radio 3818 03:34:04.120 --> 03:34:05.959 play at all, it could be one of the great 3819 03:34:05.959 --> 03:34:08.159 party records of the year. If you can't get off 3820 03:34:08.200 --> 03:34:13.319 on silliness this transcendent, you're probably a politician. Oh my god. 3821 03:34:13.639 --> 03:34:15.879 The fuck. Honestly, how was the god like the work 3822 03:34:15.959 --> 03:34:18.959 that writers did in the eighties to like intellectualize things, man, 3823 03:34:19.079 --> 03:34:22.520 my goodness and like the like to be witty and 3824 03:34:22.879 --> 03:34:25.479 have this you know, the intellectual is the wrong word. Yeah, 3825 03:34:25.520 --> 03:34:25.799 you're right. 3826 03:34:26.040 --> 03:34:29.200 Yeah, like they're trying they're trying to be like smart, 3827 03:34:29.239 --> 03:34:32.399 allgy and trying to be you know, uh kind of 3828 03:34:32.920 --> 03:34:34.799 I don't know, ahead of the curve is not the 3829 03:34:34.879 --> 03:34:36.760 right term, I think, but like they just want to 3830 03:34:36.799 --> 03:34:40.600 be you know, I don't know, they're just obnoxious. Like 3831 03:34:40.680 --> 03:34:44.000 the fact that the fact that that that people that 3832 03:34:44.079 --> 03:34:46.319 there were people who signed off on this as good 3833 03:34:46.360 --> 03:34:49.719 writing is is just unbelievable. 3834 03:34:50.159 --> 03:34:54.280 Yeah, like they're editors that said, yeah this works. Love 3835 03:34:54.360 --> 03:34:56.680 It a time in America where you could just be like, yeah, 3836 03:34:56.680 --> 03:34:59.920 it's no worse than politics. Hun, Everyone's like, ah ha, exactly, 3837 03:35:00.920 --> 03:35:04.239 that's so dated. It sounds so forced now, you know 3838 03:35:05.600 --> 03:35:09.520 sound I mean it sounds forced, then sounds forced. Then sure, Yeah, 3839 03:35:09.600 --> 03:35:11.399 that that was that was the sensibility at the time. 3840 03:35:11.440 --> 03:35:14.040 It was like we're all above politics, you know, but 3841 03:35:14.200 --> 03:35:16.639 if you don't follow politics, then you're not part of 3842 03:35:16.719 --> 03:35:21.040 the writerly class. Comment exactly, Come on, I mean can't 3843 03:35:21.079 --> 03:35:24.280 be part of the commentary unless you watch what are 3844 03:35:24.319 --> 03:35:24.760 you reading? 3845 03:35:24.840 --> 03:35:25.000 Though? 3846 03:35:25.120 --> 03:35:28.159 You know you're you're making comments and stuff, but you 3847 03:35:28.200 --> 03:35:29.600 don't even know what you're talking about. 3848 03:35:29.920 --> 03:35:30.079 You know. 3849 03:35:30.200 --> 03:35:32.399 Of all the people that lampooned it, most brilliantly, and 3850 03:35:32.479 --> 03:35:34.639 I think we excerpted this on our Wrestlmania one show 3851 03:35:34.639 --> 03:35:37.079 all those years ago, was MTV themselves when they did 3852 03:35:37.120 --> 03:35:40.680 that whole thing. Remember in the cafe where the intellectuals 3853 03:35:40.760 --> 03:35:43.440 that they recruited to sit around and talk about the 3854 03:35:43.559 --> 03:35:46.799 dialectics of wrestling. Remember that, yes, they were mocking New 3855 03:35:46.920 --> 03:35:50.879 York intellectuals, but they hired actual intellectuals to talk about 3856 03:35:50.920 --> 03:35:53.000 pro wrestling in a total tongue in cheek way, and 3857 03:35:53.079 --> 03:35:54.920 they put it on the on the broadcast and a 3858 03:35:55.040 --> 03:35:57.040 lead up to things when they were showing all these 3859 03:35:57.159 --> 03:35:59.719 rock stars commenting on who they thought who they wanted 3860 03:35:59.760 --> 03:36:01.680 to win, between hul Coke and Roddy Piper. 3861 03:36:01.879 --> 03:36:06.120 It's funny, you know, it's it's it's uh, you know, 3862 03:36:06.440 --> 03:36:08.319 it's materialization. 3863 03:36:09.120 --> 03:36:11.319 We talked about the fact that the same night of 3864 03:36:11.520 --> 03:36:13.879 the nineteen eighty six Slammis was Saturday night's main event. 3865 03:36:14.479 --> 03:36:16.719 I don't know if you know this, Boss but you 3866 03:36:16.840 --> 03:36:20.719 do appreciate that right after the Slammys finished, they did 3867 03:36:20.760 --> 03:36:24.719 a house show in the same building, right. Wow, I 3868 03:36:24.879 --> 03:36:26.840 did not know that they sold those tickets just to 3869 03:36:26.879 --> 03:36:31.120 watch a half hour stage show. Well, they bought tickets 3870 03:36:31.120 --> 03:36:33.120 to watch a four hour staged show. But you get 3871 03:36:33.159 --> 03:36:33.520 my point. 3872 03:36:35.200 --> 03:36:35.319 Now. 3873 03:36:35.360 --> 03:36:37.319 There was a whole event with Piper and Orndorf and 3874 03:36:37.360 --> 03:36:40.040 a steel cage in the main event right there in Baltimore, 3875 03:36:40.079 --> 03:36:42.280 and in fact, Ventur and Monsoon were on hand for commentary. 3876 03:36:42.520 --> 03:36:45.920 The only video, curiously that's emerged of the matches that 3877 03:36:46.079 --> 03:36:47.719 night are not the high profile ones, but a lot 3878 03:36:47.760 --> 03:36:50.280 of the j brone matches, which apparently they aired in 3879 03:36:50.399 --> 03:36:53.200 some for some form or other. I've seen them, but 3880 03:36:53.239 --> 03:36:55.200 I've seen them sort of isolated, not as part of 3881 03:36:55.280 --> 03:36:58.479 a broader television broadcast. But really, yeah, at some point 3882 03:36:58.520 --> 03:37:00.440 on one of their syndicated shows or something, they must 3883 03:37:00.440 --> 03:37:03.000 have aired these and we'll talk about which ones have 3884 03:37:03.159 --> 03:37:06.479 survived on videotape. But yes, the house show that followed 3885 03:37:06.520 --> 03:37:11.920 it took place right there in the Baltimore Arena, fourteen 3886 03:37:11.959 --> 03:37:17.319 thousand in attendance. It was Jim Powers defeating Barrio. It 3887 03:37:17.520 --> 03:37:20.840 was George Wells beating Jose Luise Rivera. It was Danny 3888 03:37:20.879 --> 03:37:24.879 Spivey beating Ron Shaw, Siva Offy pinning Renegoula, The Junkyard 3889 03:37:24.920 --> 03:37:29.600 Dog pinning aj Pertruzzi, Antony Atlas pinning Iron Mike Sharp. 3890 03:37:30.760 --> 03:37:33.520 There was also Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Cheek defeating 3891 03:37:33.559 --> 03:37:37.200 George Steele and Corporal Kirchner, King Kong Bundy pinning Hillbilly 3892 03:37:37.280 --> 03:37:41.120 Jim and Paul Orndorf again defeating Ruddy Piper in a 3893 03:37:41.159 --> 03:37:44.239 steel cage match where apparently Piper had according to a 3894 03:37:44.399 --> 03:37:48.520 comment on YouTube underneath the Slammies where someone who apparently 3895 03:37:48.600 --> 03:37:52.120 was at the show was reflecting, Piper had his pants 3896 03:37:52.159 --> 03:37:55.479 pulled down at a particular juncture in the contest, and 3897 03:37:55.719 --> 03:37:59.639 Orndorf snaked out of the cage crawling through the door. 3898 03:38:00.000 --> 03:38:03.360 But yeah, this is wild that there was a wrestling 3899 03:38:03.440 --> 03:38:07.120 show right after the first Slammings. And here's just a 3900 03:38:07.200 --> 03:38:10.120 taste of the kind of things Gorilla and Jesse were 3901 03:38:10.159 --> 03:38:13.040 saying on the few matches they did commentate that ended 3902 03:38:13.120 --> 03:38:14.000 up seeing the light of day. 3903 03:38:15.680 --> 03:38:17.600 Very Oh take an exception to some of our ring 3904 03:38:17.680 --> 03:38:25.239 signers here were John Park once again. SRO signs went 3905 03:38:25.319 --> 03:38:30.000 out early about ten days ago this Baltimore Civic Center 3906 03:38:30.159 --> 03:38:34.040 was sold out to capacity for this World Wrestling Federation 3907 03:38:34.120 --> 03:38:35.399 and Wrestling at Club Agenda. 3908 03:38:36.280 --> 03:38:38.120 Well, I'll tell you, Gorilla, that's the key now. 3909 03:38:38.319 --> 03:38:40.319 Even to get tickets to come to the live events, 3910 03:38:40.360 --> 03:38:42.479 you've better plan on getting them about two weeks ahead 3911 03:38:42.479 --> 03:38:44.399 of tilon you go and there won't be none to get. 3912 03:38:44.639 --> 03:38:47.600 Well, you should get them the night that you're here. Yes, 3913 03:38:47.719 --> 03:38:50.159 you should get them to the next event because they 3914 03:38:50.239 --> 03:38:53.600 usually always go on so at that time, Lobby the 3915 03:38:53.639 --> 03:38:56.799 wise man, you'd know that during because I understand it. 3916 03:38:56.879 --> 03:38:59.399 You're generally at the paper your seat here, don't you trust? 3917 03:39:00.120 --> 03:39:03.200 Thank God, I don't have to, Jack, I figure if 3918 03:39:03.200 --> 03:39:07.040 you reserve that all the time? An I nice because 3919 03:39:07.079 --> 03:39:07.840 I'm paying for it. 3920 03:39:07.920 --> 03:39:09.200 I get my scream to make me. 3921 03:39:09.239 --> 03:39:14.200 Pay for your well Frob, how about right not nice? 3922 03:39:14.280 --> 03:39:19.639 Counter by burialgate deft pressure by reaching it, pushing out 3923 03:39:19.680 --> 03:39:20.440 back to the time. 3924 03:39:21.600 --> 03:39:37.399 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 3925 03:39:37.559 --> 03:39:41.000 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 3926 03:39:55.719 --> 03:39:59.600 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and se. 3927 03:40:00.159 --> 03:40:06.959 Mg so Yes Barrio Barrio not Barrio Barrio in the 3928 03:40:07.000 --> 03:40:10.440 fucking Barrio Spaghettio. Yeah. Yeah, there we go against Jim 3929 03:40:10.479 --> 03:40:14.600 Powers there excerpted. Uh, they're talking a lot about the 3930 03:40:14.600 --> 03:40:16.920 sold out crowd, and yeah, I'm sure would have sold 3931 03:40:16.920 --> 03:40:18.760 out anyway, considering how hot they were at the time, 3932 03:40:18.799 --> 03:40:20.760 But they're not mentioning the people are there to see 3933 03:40:20.760 --> 03:40:23.879 the Slammies. It's like, right, an afterthought. But yeah, when 3934 03:40:23.879 --> 03:40:26.760 they show like the wide shot to start the Slam 3935 03:40:26.840 --> 03:40:28.959 Awards broadcast in MTV, you do, in fact see a 3936 03:40:29.079 --> 03:40:31.200 ring set up, and it's you see it, and you 3937 03:40:31.319 --> 03:40:33.159 just think it's part of like a set design, you know. Yeah, 3938 03:40:33.200 --> 03:40:34.479 that's what I thought. I thought it was just kind 3939 03:40:34.479 --> 03:40:35.760 of part of the set, and I didn't realize it 3940 03:40:35.879 --> 03:40:39.360 was a thing not there to work. The Saturday It's 3941 03:40:39.360 --> 03:40:41.520 main event that night, as mentioned, was from Phoenix, and 3942 03:40:41.559 --> 03:40:43.719 it had been taped on February fifteenth and airing here 3943 03:40:43.799 --> 03:40:48.719 on March first, and it includes, as mentioned, the premiere 3944 03:40:48.840 --> 03:40:51.479 of Real American. I guess you could say the network 3945 03:40:51.520 --> 03:40:55.959 television premiere of Real American. It has some interesting pre roll. 3946 03:40:56.079 --> 03:40:58.760 You know that before they started playing natural Song on 3947 03:40:58.879 --> 03:41:03.239 Saturday Night's main event, they played archival footage of JFK saying, 3948 03:41:03.280 --> 03:41:05.440 ask not what you can do for your country? Oh 3949 03:41:05.520 --> 03:41:07.120 my god, are you here? Ask not what your country 3950 03:41:07.159 --> 03:41:09.440 could do for you? Yeah? Why, I don't know. I 3951 03:41:09.479 --> 03:41:12.760 guess they thought that was relevant. Yeah, and keeping with 3952 03:41:12.879 --> 03:41:15.639 what they wanted to portray about Ulk Hogan at the time. Okay, 3953 03:41:16.959 --> 03:41:19.200 it's weird. The video also shows him tearing up a 3954 03:41:19.239 --> 03:41:21.520 picture of Gadaffi. As we mentioned, by the time they 3955 03:41:21.559 --> 03:41:23.479 aired the video on the broadcast, Hulk had already been 3956 03:41:23.600 --> 03:41:26.319 totally ambushed and sent to the hospital. My Ginggong Bundy, 3957 03:41:26.799 --> 03:41:30.280 So it's almost like a it's a bit tearful, you know, 3958 03:41:30.440 --> 03:41:33.120 for wrestling fans. There was an mentioned in one of 3959 03:41:33.159 --> 03:41:35.159 the newsletters. The guys that between the sheets picked this 3960 03:41:35.319 --> 03:41:37.639 up and the newsletter I haven't heard of before, but 3961 03:41:37.760 --> 03:41:40.040 somebody who was live in attendance in Phoenix for this 3962 03:41:40.159 --> 03:41:42.799 taping said that not only you know, was the Hull 3963 03:41:42.840 --> 03:41:45.920 cogaan angle harrowing for the live crowd, but they actually 3964 03:41:46.000 --> 03:41:48.440 got on the microphone and told the live crowd. According 3965 03:41:48.440 --> 03:41:50.399 to this newsletter report, it wasn't the observer, but it's 3966 03:41:50.440 --> 03:41:54.159 another one. They told the crowd that we can't get 3967 03:41:54.200 --> 03:41:57.360 a pulse on Hul Cogan. Oh No, they did not. 3968 03:41:57.639 --> 03:42:02.479 That's what That's what was reported. Imagine that. I'm sorry, 3969 03:42:02.559 --> 03:42:05.879 ladies and gentlemen. We apologize for the delay. We are 3970 03:42:06.040 --> 03:42:09.000 tending to Hulk Hogan right now as closely as we 3971 03:42:09.079 --> 03:42:12.040 can medically, and I regret to say it might be 3972 03:42:12.159 --> 03:42:15.639 quite a while at the moment I hesitate to say, 3973 03:42:15.680 --> 03:42:18.799 but we do not have a pulse on Hulk Hogan. 3974 03:42:19.760 --> 03:42:22.319 We do not have the audience, the pulse of the audience. Clearly, 3975 03:42:23.959 --> 03:42:27.639 you imagine the children crying, I mean exactly, like, what 3976 03:42:27.719 --> 03:42:30.440 are they thinking, Well, you gotta get as much emotion 3977 03:42:30.479 --> 03:42:32.280 out of the crowd for this. I guess this is 3978 03:42:32.280 --> 03:42:35.440 the NBC angle that's gonna sell WrestleMania. You can't. You 3979 03:42:35.479 --> 03:42:39.520 can't leave anything on the table. That's awful. But as 3980 03:42:39.559 --> 03:42:42.959 mentioned the reason I carved out the Real American premieers, 3981 03:42:43.000 --> 03:42:45.319 the network television premieers. There is evidence, though I couldn't 3982 03:42:45.319 --> 03:42:46.920 find video of it, and I'm sure if it did exist, 3983 03:42:46.920 --> 03:42:50.040 it would be very easy to find. Of Vince McMahon 3984 03:42:50.200 --> 03:42:53.399 as guest vjay on MTV earlier in the day presenting 3985 03:42:53.680 --> 03:42:56.440 the premiere of the Real American Video for the music 3986 03:42:56.520 --> 03:43:00.600 television audience. Here's a blurb MTV and Wrestling tangle again. 3987 03:43:00.840 --> 03:43:03.440 The first maybe annual maybe not Slamy Awards will be 3988 03:43:03.520 --> 03:43:06.680 telecast live from before the eyes of fourteen thousand avid 3989 03:43:06.719 --> 03:43:08.639 wrestling fans at the Civic Center in the heart of 3990 03:43:08.719 --> 03:43:12.040 downtown Baltimore, Maryland, Friday March first, seven thirty pm Eastern 3991 03:43:12.120 --> 03:43:14.639 Time only on MTV. Host of the show as none 3992 03:43:14.680 --> 03:43:17.159 other than the Voice of the Ward Wrestling Federation, Vince McMahon. 3993 03:43:17.319 --> 03:43:19.520 Among the well muscled nominees who have promised to show 3994 03:43:19.600 --> 03:43:22.319 up that nighter, Freddy Lassie Jesse, the Badi Ventura and 3995 03:43:22.399 --> 03:43:29.399 Captain Lewell Bano. Okay, you're promoting the managers and the commentators. 3996 03:43:29.479 --> 03:43:33.719 That's who you're promoting. Okay, Emily needs somebody. Mtvvjays Alan 3997 03:43:33.799 --> 03:43:35.639 Hunter and Martha Quinn will be in Baltimore to offer 3998 03:43:35.680 --> 03:43:37.840 color commentary during the history making event that not turned 3999 03:43:37.840 --> 03:43:39.840 out to be the case. Alan Hunter was, of course 4000 03:43:39.879 --> 03:43:42.399 the mtvvj that was backstage for War to settle the 4001 03:43:42.440 --> 03:43:45.879 score and has been a couple of historical documentaries about 4002 03:43:45.879 --> 03:43:48.600 the first WrestleMania that whole time period since, and he 4003 03:43:48.760 --> 03:43:50.479 was integral. He was the guy that sits with Gene 4004 03:43:50.479 --> 03:43:53.360 Okerland and kind of narrates this whole idea of rock 4005 03:43:53.440 --> 03:43:55.920 and wrestling before we get to the Hogan Piper match 4006 03:43:55.959 --> 03:43:57.879 on war to settle the score. But he was not 4007 03:43:58.040 --> 03:44:00.280 on the slamm He's Martha Quinn, however, was We'll get 4008 03:44:00.280 --> 03:44:02.520 more acquainted with her in a little bit. She's backstage 4009 03:44:02.559 --> 03:44:04.440 in a sweater trying to figure out what the fuck 4010 03:44:04.559 --> 03:44:07.559 is George Steele's problem for instance. Yes, oh my, I 4011 03:44:07.680 --> 03:44:11.040 know she is just ah, she doesn't want to pold woman, 4012 03:44:11.520 --> 03:44:16.799 that poor woman. I mean, it is just it's so awful. 4013 03:44:18.799 --> 03:44:21.680 I feel for her. I do so, it says here. 4014 03:44:21.920 --> 03:44:25.440 Vince McMahon to guest vjay prior to the Slammy telecast. 4015 03:44:25.559 --> 03:44:28.559 Vince McMahon will be a guest vjay on MTV Wednesday, 4016 03:44:28.559 --> 03:44:30.479 February twenty six, So it wasn't earlier that day. It 4017 03:44:30.559 --> 03:44:32.920 was a week before. Wednesday, febru twenty six, from ten 4018 03:44:32.959 --> 03:44:35.959 to eleven pm Eastern Time, McMahon will introduce the world 4019 03:44:36.000 --> 03:44:38.440 premiere of Haul Cogan's new video Real American, with music 4020 03:44:38.479 --> 03:44:41.120 by Rick Deringer, and reveal a little behind the scenes 4021 03:44:41.239 --> 03:44:43.959 Slammy information. But I wouldn't give to see that clip. 4022 03:44:45.319 --> 03:44:47.079 We don't have such luck, right, I know, I mean, 4023 03:44:47.120 --> 03:44:51.159 that's just that that sucks. I would I would hope, 4024 03:44:52.440 --> 03:44:56.479 if I would hope, I would hope too. Absolutely, This 4025 03:44:56.559 --> 03:44:58.639 from the Los Angeles Times in May of that year, 4026 03:44:58.799 --> 03:45:02.159 Sound and Vision, rock and Round the Flag. Is it 4027 03:45:02.239 --> 03:45:05.159 too late to reschedule the bi centennial? Now that rock 4028 03:45:05.200 --> 03:45:07.120 and rollers finally are getting into the American spirit on 4029 03:45:07.239 --> 03:45:09.799 Moss about a decade too late. The MTV channel is 4030 03:45:09.840 --> 03:45:11.319 starting to look more like something that could be called 4031 03:45:11.319 --> 03:45:15.360 the USA Network that already exists. So I'm gonna get 4032 03:45:15.360 --> 03:45:17.840 this Chris Willman on the phone. This guy's an idiot. 4033 03:45:17.920 --> 03:45:20.719 These guys are I mean, honestly, you know, I just 4034 03:45:20.799 --> 03:45:23.959 want to have such clever turns a phrase always does it. 4035 03:45:24.040 --> 03:45:26.760 Also clearly don't want to be doing this. They don't 4036 03:45:26.760 --> 03:45:28.159 even like put in the time to kind of like 4037 03:45:28.360 --> 03:45:31.360 gussie it up for no reason. Just tell us convey 4038 03:45:31.440 --> 03:45:33.159 the information please, I mean, don't have to be dry, 4039 03:45:33.360 --> 03:45:36.600 but like, what was that all about? 4040 03:45:37.559 --> 03:45:37.680 Right? 4041 03:45:38.440 --> 03:45:42.040 This new patriotism takes many forms. There's Jackson Brown singing 4042 03:45:42.079 --> 03:45:44.200 that he wished these United States were in the right 4043 03:45:44.399 --> 03:45:47.319 for America, and then there's the America right or wrong 4044 03:45:47.399 --> 03:45:51.079 flavor of novelties like the collaboration between wrestling heavyweight Hulkgan 4045 03:45:51.319 --> 03:45:57.959 and rock lightweight Rick Derringer. Ouch, Wow, Wow, Real American. 4046 03:45:58.079 --> 03:46:01.440 Neither vision of the Red, White, and Blue is very compelling, unfortunately, 4047 03:46:01.520 --> 03:46:03.840 at least not in the video translation. There is something 4048 03:46:03.920 --> 03:46:06.159 uniquely American, though, in the fact that the bottom of 4049 03:46:06.200 --> 03:46:08.479 this barrel of current video clips is scraped by a 4050 03:46:08.520 --> 03:46:11.040 bad actor taking on a new career. Ratings are based 4051 03:46:11.040 --> 03:46:12.639 on a scale of zero to one hundred. Okay, so 4052 03:46:12.959 --> 03:46:16.000 he's rating a series of patriotic albums at the time, 4053 03:46:16.079 --> 03:46:19.000 of course, Real American being among them. On the wrestling 4054 03:46:19.040 --> 03:46:21.959 album he writes ul Coogan and Rick Dernder's Real American, 4055 03:46:22.280 --> 03:46:25.280 directed by Ed Gorillas. Derringer had good sense not to 4056 03:46:25.319 --> 03:46:27.639 make an appearance in this video for a song from 4057 03:46:27.639 --> 03:46:30.440 the Wrestling outl but the haltster provides ham enough for 4058 03:46:30.520 --> 03:46:33.440 one hundred clips. While the missing singer promises to fight 4059 03:46:33.520 --> 03:46:35.840 for the rights of every man. The hunky wrestler is 4060 03:46:35.879 --> 03:46:38.559 seen entering the ring to best an opponent dressed in 4061 03:46:38.680 --> 03:46:41.319 red or crumpling up a photo of Gadaffi or playing 4062 03:46:41.399 --> 03:46:44.719 air guitar against a rear projection backdrop of Mountain majesties 4063 03:46:44.760 --> 03:46:48.399 and spacious skies. Like Brown's video, this one also uses 4064 03:46:48.520 --> 03:46:51.840 stock war footage, but of the more victorious type i e. 4065 03:46:52.040 --> 03:46:55.799 Pre Nam. The sheer imbecility of a guy in tights 4066 03:46:55.840 --> 03:46:59.120 equating himself with World War two vets might be more 4067 03:46:59.159 --> 03:47:02.399 offensive if it wasn't such a rare example of Dada 4068 03:47:02.879 --> 03:47:06.040 at its most heightened and aggressive. Did they fucking call 4069 03:47:06.159 --> 03:47:06.840 this dada? 4070 03:47:08.600 --> 03:47:08.920 Wow? 4071 03:47:10.120 --> 03:47:13.639 I'm going to send you the direction and I'm gonna 4072 03:47:13.639 --> 03:47:16.479 make you read it back to not only me but yourself, 4073 03:47:16.520 --> 03:47:20.280 and the people go ahead. Oh my god, this is 4074 03:47:20.319 --> 03:47:24.559 the kind of stuff that WWF's fucking rise in the eighties. 4075 03:47:25.120 --> 03:47:37.440 Da Da, dadaist art. Jesus Christ. The sheer imbecility of 4076 03:47:37.559 --> 03:47:41.159 a guy in tights equating himself with World War two 4077 03:47:41.319 --> 03:47:44.600 vets might be more offensive if it wasn't such a 4078 03:47:44.799 --> 03:47:50.040 rare example of Dada at its most heightened an aggressive 4079 03:47:50.120 --> 03:47:58.799 level performances reality. I mean, you know, dada, isn't it fitting? 4080 03:48:00.360 --> 03:48:03.920 Is it's definitely uh you know, da da? How so 4081 03:48:06.399 --> 03:48:13.239 it just you know, it's anti establishment, it is uh 4082 03:48:13.639 --> 03:48:18.040 uh you know, it comments on its own absurd. It's 4083 03:48:18.159 --> 03:48:23.159 it's a it's a public gathering demonstration. You know, I 4084 03:48:23.239 --> 03:48:26.920 mean we're talking. It falls under the whole fucking thing there. 4085 03:48:27.440 --> 03:48:31.120 Does it comment on its own absurdity? Of course it does. 4086 03:48:31.440 --> 03:48:34.440 Does it blurred the lines between art and life? I 4087 03:48:34.520 --> 03:48:38.360 mean that's the Slammy Awards right there. Yes, okay, that 4088 03:48:38.600 --> 03:48:39.559 is the Slammy Awards. 4089 03:48:39.639 --> 03:48:39.760 Man. 4090 03:48:39.799 --> 03:48:47.840 I would have loved to share a romagine. This is great. Okay, 4091 03:48:48.159 --> 03:48:51.120 this is on the Wikipedia page of Dada. Okay. Yes, 4092 03:48:51.799 --> 03:48:53.239 the work of French. 4093 03:48:53.120 --> 03:48:58.520 Poets, Italian futurists and German expressionists would influence Dada's rejection 4094 03:48:58.959 --> 03:49:01.559 of the correlation between words and meaning. 4095 03:49:06.280 --> 03:49:10.200 That's it Data, Yeah, exactly. 4096 03:49:10.319 --> 03:49:14.920 I was waiting for some going to play, Hi Dada, 4097 03:49:18.879 --> 03:49:22.520 We're gonna go there on the slant? Do you dare 4098 03:49:22.799 --> 03:49:26.840 I consider me a Dadaist Thedaist? 4099 03:49:30.479 --> 03:49:37.799 Oh, oh my goodness, here we go. According to Hans Richter, 4100 03:49:39.239 --> 03:49:41.040 Dada is not art. 4101 03:49:42.239 --> 03:49:42.520 It is. 4102 03:49:44.120 --> 03:49:44.520 It is. 4103 03:49:46.600 --> 03:49:50.840 Anti art. Wow, that's pro wrestling. Yes, it is, it 4104 03:49:50.959 --> 03:49:54.159 is anti art. I like that. Where art was concerned 4105 03:49:54.200 --> 03:50:02.399 with traditional aesthetics, Data ignored aesthetics. If art, if art 4106 03:50:02.559 --> 03:50:08.440 was if art was to appeal to sensibilities, Dada was 4107 03:50:08.559 --> 03:50:12.680 intended to offend. It is pretty funny to call him 4108 03:50:12.799 --> 03:50:19.239 dada intended to offend, that's intended to offend. That's Roddy Piper, right, 4109 03:50:19.319 --> 03:50:23.399 that's everything, absolutely, that's Aron't she can Nikola Volkhov and 4110 03:50:23.399 --> 03:50:25.760 anybody who got heat the old, the old fashioned way. 4111 03:50:26.319 --> 03:50:30.799 Dada attempted to reflect onto human perception and the chaotic 4112 03:50:31.000 --> 03:50:37.959 nature of society. I don't know, man, something everything is 4113 03:50:38.120 --> 03:50:44.319 dada too, she beware of dada. Empty Dadaism is a 4114 03:50:44.440 --> 03:50:51.920 disease self kleptomania. Man's normal condition is dada. But the 4115 03:50:52.120 --> 03:50:59.200 real dadas are against dada. A quote for by Tristan 4116 03:50:59.399 --> 03:51:11.559 Sarah and the Romanian ofvant Guard poet. Yeah, the real 4117 03:51:11.680 --> 03:51:12.239 dada is what. 4118 03:51:15.280 --> 03:51:23.040 The real dadas or against the data. Yeah, everything is dada. 4119 03:51:24.799 --> 03:51:26.360 Beware of dada. 4120 03:51:29.399 --> 03:51:31.239 That's that's what they used to tell Stephanie. 4121 03:51:35.639 --> 03:51:42.360 Stephanie, beware dada because everything is dada, but the real 4122 03:51:42.520 --> 03:51:45.079 data against dada. 4123 03:51:47.159 --> 03:51:47.360 Yeah. 4124 03:51:47.760 --> 03:51:50.719 Oh, so you're saying, are you saying Sean O'Shea is 4125 03:51:50.760 --> 03:51:51.879 my dad? Is that what you're saying? 4126 03:51:54.360 --> 03:51:59.159 Perhaps mister o'she real da Da against the da Da. 4127 03:51:59.440 --> 03:52:04.200 It's a Romanian poet, I Robailian bullet. I'm no expert, 4128 03:52:04.280 --> 03:52:06.280 but I think Barth would see the Slammies as a 4129 03:52:06.440 --> 03:52:08.319 ritual of exaggerated meaning. 4130 03:52:08.760 --> 03:52:11.600 Let me, let me, let me tell you, all right, 4131 03:52:11.799 --> 03:52:15.440 I think Barth would have been the front fucking row 4132 03:52:15.639 --> 03:52:24.079 absolutely all right, like just soaking in the absurd post 4133 03:52:24.239 --> 03:52:27.959 modern example in front of him. Yes, just how many okay, 4134 03:52:28.479 --> 03:52:31.879 how it's commenting upon itself exactly. He would be obsessed 4135 03:52:31.920 --> 03:52:36.879 with this cafe merit that's being celebrated, the bizarre, like 4136 03:52:37.479 --> 03:52:48.559 this perception of humanity right through the lens of absurdity. Yep, okay, 4137 03:52:49.639 --> 03:52:54.159 he would have. He would have fucking like he let 4138 03:52:54.239 --> 03:52:59.239 me tell you, the moment after the first award happened, 4139 03:52:59.239 --> 03:53:04.760 he would have been on his feet, standing ovation who wins. 4140 03:53:04.799 --> 03:53:07.120 He wouldn't have sat down again, and he would say, 4141 03:53:07.159 --> 03:53:10.239 you know who wins, the Slammy doesn't matter. What matters 4142 03:53:10.399 --> 03:53:16.639 is the pageantry of pretending it does. Yes, oh ah, 4143 03:53:20.159 --> 03:53:23.280 the slam Slammies. Okay. And that night at NBC they 4144 03:53:23.319 --> 03:53:25.520 had the Mister T bob Orton boxing match to set 4145 03:53:25.600 --> 03:53:27.840 up Piper and Mister T at WRESTLMINGA two. They had 4146 03:53:27.920 --> 03:53:31.799 Bundy squash Jobber, Steve Gator Wolf. They had Hogan beat 4147 03:53:32.040 --> 03:53:34.680 Morocco viadiqu when Bobby Heenen ran in stomped his head, 4148 03:53:34.959 --> 03:53:38.280 and then they had Bundy splash Hogan until he was hospitalized. 4149 03:53:38.559 --> 03:53:41.760 They had Beefcake and Valentine over the British Bulldogs in 4150 03:53:41.840 --> 03:53:44.840 a preview of the Wrestleminia two tag team Tanitnele match 4151 03:53:44.920 --> 03:53:47.360 that they had, and the broadcast closed out with Junkyard 4152 03:53:47.399 --> 03:53:52.159 Dog versus Adrian Adonnis. Vince McMahon is out there, he's 4153 03:53:52.200 --> 03:53:54.840 on the stump. They go to the NAPTI convention, the 4154 03:53:54.959 --> 03:53:57.760 National Association of Television Producers and Executives. I think it 4155 03:53:57.879 --> 03:54:01.079 is where you, you know, put on a show on 4156 03:54:01.159 --> 03:54:02.959 a convention show floor to try to get people to 4157 03:54:03.000 --> 03:54:06.319 advertise on your television network. Yeah, and here's a report 4158 03:54:06.360 --> 03:54:09.399 that survived all these years from some local television station 4159 03:54:09.520 --> 03:54:11.639 I think napt He was in New Orleans that year, 4160 03:54:12.000 --> 03:54:13.799 and they actually had done a show in New Orleans. 4161 03:54:13.840 --> 03:54:16.000 I think we mentioned earlier, right around this time where 4162 03:54:16.040 --> 03:54:18.360 Vince Man they've set up a ring in the middle 4163 03:54:18.360 --> 03:54:20.879 of this convention hall where these more tony Gria can 4164 03:54:20.920 --> 03:54:23.239 have a fake wrestling match against I think Rene Gula, 4165 03:54:23.360 --> 03:54:25.920 which is just awesome. There's all these people, all these 4166 03:54:25.959 --> 03:54:28.600 convention goers in suits sitting there trying to burst out 4167 03:54:28.639 --> 03:54:31.479 laughing at what it is they're watching. But what we 4168 03:54:31.559 --> 03:54:33.680 get at the very tail end of this report, after 4169 03:54:33.799 --> 03:54:36.680 some nat sound if you will, is just Vince in 4170 03:54:36.760 --> 03:54:38.959 his at his most nineteen eighty six. I want you 4171 03:54:39.000 --> 03:54:42.200 to picture him with the vest underneath his suit jacket. 4172 03:54:42.479 --> 03:54:45.479 You know what I mean, that extra layer. Yep, Yep, 4173 03:54:45.559 --> 03:54:47.239 there we go, yep, nineteen eighty six. 4174 03:54:47.399 --> 03:54:53.440 WWF right here, I guess a bullet here this afternoon 4175 03:54:53.959 --> 03:54:57.840 from Upland, New Zealand debt. He is a former five 4176 03:54:58.000 --> 03:54:59.200 time co holder. 4177 03:54:59.000 --> 03:55:02.360 On the World Wrestling Confederates in tag team Championship belts. 4178 03:55:02.920 --> 03:55:06.799 Wait in at two hundred and thirty eight pounds. Welcome 4179 03:55:06.879 --> 03:55:14.799 to the Orleans Tolly Carrea Ouria along fall pound. 4180 03:55:23.319 --> 03:55:26.200 Explain with the best scene was expleen? 4181 03:55:26.440 --> 03:55:30.440 Okay, what is the role with wrestling at a convention 4182 03:55:30.600 --> 03:55:34.879 like this? What do you guys get entertained? Yes, exactly 4183 03:55:34.959 --> 03:55:36.360 what we do as we do at an arena. That's 4184 03:55:36.360 --> 03:55:37.760 what we do at a convention. Why I like this, 4185 03:55:38.760 --> 03:55:41.040 That's why at this booth you will see nothing but 4186 03:55:41.159 --> 03:55:43.840 jampack people and other booths. You won't see too much traps. 4187 03:55:44.280 --> 03:55:45.920 How would this stack up against all the other kinds 4188 03:55:45.920 --> 03:55:48.239 of product shows that they sell at this convention. I 4189 03:55:48.280 --> 03:55:50.440 would say we'd do extremely well in terms of the 4190 03:55:50.479 --> 03:55:53.120 television ratings that we get. We just did a ten 4191 03:55:53.239 --> 03:55:55.959 point five on the last Saturday night Areen event for 4192 03:55:56.040 --> 03:55:58.520 any you see, which is the highest late night. 4193 03:55:58.520 --> 03:55:59.959 Rating in over three and a half years. 4194 03:56:00.000 --> 03:56:02.440 It's indicative of what our overall ratings are doing a 4195 03:56:02.559 --> 03:56:08.079 ververy product. So wrestling, the popularity wrestling hasn't peaked yet, well, 4196 03:56:08.079 --> 03:56:10.959 it certainly not in the World Wrestling Federation. Wrestling has 4197 03:56:11.000 --> 03:56:13.000 always been around for years and years, but the World 4198 03:56:13.040 --> 03:56:16.159 Wrestling Federation has it, and it's our brand of excitement. 4199 03:56:16.000 --> 03:56:18.559 Its starners and numbers, and definitely not. 4200 03:56:21.360 --> 03:56:23.840 Exactly is this as this is exactly what we've seen 4201 03:56:23.879 --> 03:56:25.440 with watching one of these matches, but I can see 4202 03:56:25.440 --> 03:56:25.920 it's the same. 4203 03:56:27.520 --> 03:56:31.680 It's somewhat uh more more of demonstrations. Actually here at 4204 03:56:31.719 --> 03:56:33.959 the little bit all in out competition, we hear a 4205 03:56:34.000 --> 03:56:37.200 lot of magectives used to describe the show's being sold here, dynamic, exciting, 4206 03:56:37.399 --> 03:56:38.000 zany whatever. 4207 03:56:38.079 --> 03:56:39.639 Why would you describe this this program? 4208 03:56:40.200 --> 03:56:42.879 I really think it defies description, honestly, I mean there's 4209 03:56:42.920 --> 03:56:45.639 something here for everyone, and it's just the World Wrestling Federation. 4210 03:56:45.760 --> 03:56:48.280 It pretty weuch speaks for itself. Thank you, thank you. 4211 03:56:48.920 --> 03:56:50.520 God's so noxiously. 4212 03:56:52.600 --> 03:56:56.719 And that's called that's called that's called a beautiful belly. 4213 03:56:56.760 --> 03:56:59.680 The Pelly Superets right Overland belly was. 4214 03:57:00.120 --> 03:57:02.040 Well executed by the former amateur. 4215 03:57:03.719 --> 03:57:19.559 It's the laps Fall Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that 4216 03:57:19.719 --> 03:57:21.360 knows the boys need their candy. 4217 03:57:22.079 --> 03:57:23.159 It's the Lapsed Fan. 4218 03:57:37.879 --> 03:57:41.760 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio 4219 03:57:42.280 --> 03:57:43.159 m JP sooro. 4220 03:57:43.680 --> 03:57:46.440 I mean, what are you here in Vince though we 4221 03:57:46.680 --> 03:57:50.360 entertain That's his answer, and they ask is wrestling peaked? 4222 03:57:50.399 --> 03:57:52.760 And he's like, well, I want to say, well you 4223 03:57:52.879 --> 03:57:54.840 think of his wrestling as peaked, but I don't. 4224 03:57:54.639 --> 03:57:56.360 Know what you think of wrestling peak. But you know, 4225 03:57:56.520 --> 03:57:59.920 I mean here in the World Rossling Federation, I believe 4226 03:58:00.120 --> 03:58:03.399 that we haven't been around long enough to have peaked yet, Like, 4227 03:58:03.520 --> 03:58:05.280 what the fuck? We've only been around a couple of years. 4228 03:58:07.879 --> 03:58:10.000 What are you talking about? Man, We've been around a 4229 03:58:10.079 --> 03:58:12.479 couple of years, been on television holding a microphone since 4230 03:58:12.520 --> 03:58:16.280 nineteen seventy three. You well, not to forget the wrestling 4231 03:58:16.319 --> 03:58:20.799 product itself. I mean we're talking about the the the 4232 03:58:22.479 --> 03:58:32.079 mountain climbing of the entertainment prospects of entertainment television formatting. Well, 4233 03:58:32.239 --> 03:58:35.280 you know when you put it that way, and we're 4234 03:58:35.319 --> 03:58:41.639 really proud of it. No, we're really proud of what 4235 03:58:41.680 --> 03:58:45.639 we do. There's something for everybody, Well what we do. 4236 03:58:47.319 --> 03:58:49.440 It's funny you say there's something here for everybody, Vince, 4237 03:58:49.479 --> 03:58:51.680 because I don't see anything here for people who think 4238 03:58:51.719 --> 03:58:54.399 wrestling is a complete fucking waste of time and a joke. 4239 03:58:55.000 --> 03:58:59.719 I don't see anything for them. So that's most people. 4240 03:58:59.760 --> 03:59:02.920 But the way, But I just just love Vince in 4241 03:59:02.959 --> 03:59:05.360 his element, getting this kind of like soft touch media 4242 03:59:05.360 --> 03:59:07.479 attention for the first time and still somehow finding a 4243 03:59:07.520 --> 03:59:10.040 way to like talk shit, you know, Like there he 4244 03:59:10.239 --> 03:59:12.719 is like some of the other no one the other 4245 03:59:12.799 --> 03:59:14.840 booths gives a shit about what's going on in our 4246 03:59:14.879 --> 03:59:16.000 booth has a line, you know. 4247 03:59:16.559 --> 03:59:19.120 I mean, people are innested in what the Rustling Federation 4248 03:59:19.159 --> 03:59:22.520 I has to offer, the the entertainment prospects and the 4249 03:59:23.000 --> 03:59:25.600 what the entertainment battlefield if you. 4250 03:59:25.600 --> 03:59:29.920 Will, And did you know what defies description? Boss? 4251 03:59:29.959 --> 03:59:33.680 Did you know that? You know? 4252 03:59:33.760 --> 03:59:36.239 I like to think that what we're doing is actually 4253 03:59:37.040 --> 03:59:39.079 a classic example of data. 4254 03:59:39.680 --> 03:59:41.520 Oh shit, imagine if you went there with this interview 4255 03:59:41.600 --> 03:59:43.680 with the guy would be fucking lost. You know, we 4256 03:59:43.799 --> 03:59:48.280 are you know we we we we model our our 4257 03:59:49.239 --> 03:59:55.600 format and you know, uh, entertainment design on a data basis. 4258 03:59:57.440 --> 04:00:01.000 We consider ourselves to be a German expressionist, especially that 4259 04:00:01.120 --> 04:00:05.200 of my kid, but I could I'm I consider myself 4260 04:00:05.239 --> 04:00:09.639 to be an American expressionist, right, an American Dada and 4261 04:00:09.719 --> 04:00:12.280 our talent signed on the data line. 4262 04:00:13.719 --> 04:00:16.920 In terms of my I mean, it's actually on. And 4263 04:00:17.000 --> 04:00:19.600 this is why I can say we are practicing dataists. 4264 04:00:20.120 --> 04:00:23.399 Is that I can say with full confidence and that 4265 04:00:23.520 --> 04:00:27.239 notwithstanding that I am an American data. 4266 04:00:29.120 --> 04:00:32.559 Well, there's another working title for the Netflix one on 4267 04:00:32.680 --> 04:00:35.680 a multitude of level. You know, at some point we 4268 04:00:35.760 --> 04:00:38.440 became aware that our talent was thinking about union unionization 4269 04:00:38.920 --> 04:00:42.159 over disgruntlement of their royalty payouts as we exploit so 4270 04:00:42.200 --> 04:00:45.440 many new licensing revenue streams here the World Wrestling Federation 4271 04:00:45.520 --> 04:00:47.319 and Titan Sports, Inc. So what I thought I'd do 4272 04:00:47.399 --> 04:00:49.000 to kind of drive the point home to our talent 4273 04:00:49.079 --> 04:00:52.520 that it's us creating the value and thus we at 4274 04:00:52.559 --> 04:00:55.200 Titan Sports that deserve the line and share of profits 4275 04:00:55.799 --> 04:00:59.760 for these exploited likenesses. What I would do is sit 4276 04:00:59.840 --> 04:01:04.079 a talent down disclosed to them precisely how much in 4277 04:01:04.239 --> 04:01:07.639 dollars that we had sold of merchandise featuring their likeness. 4278 04:01:07.920 --> 04:01:10.920 I would then produce a briefcase with that denomination in 4279 04:01:11.000 --> 04:01:14.000 American dollars to them. And then what I would do 4280 04:01:14.159 --> 04:01:16.079 is I'd make them sit there and watch as I 4281 04:01:16.200 --> 04:01:19.719 took every last dollar that I was owed and left 4282 04:01:19.760 --> 04:01:22.280 them with barely one percent of what was in the briefcase, 4283 04:01:22.399 --> 04:01:24.840 and I made them watch me put it in my pocket. 4284 04:01:25.360 --> 04:01:28.600 I like to remind them exactly of where they stand 4285 04:01:28.719 --> 04:01:31.719 in the grand scheme of things, and so I like 4286 04:01:31.840 --> 04:01:35.360 to talk money about them when they are when they 4287 04:01:35.399 --> 04:01:39.360 haven't eaten in at least seven hours, and while they're 4288 04:01:39.440 --> 04:01:44.200 there and while they are starving and they are desperate 4289 04:01:44.280 --> 04:01:46.959 for money, I will eat dinner in front of them, 4290 04:01:47.000 --> 04:01:52.520 right so they can understand that you have to reach 4291 04:01:53.719 --> 04:01:56.959 for the brass ring in order to eat the brass ring. 4292 04:01:57.159 --> 04:02:00.239 And here you see now four hundred thousand dollars that 4293 04:02:00.360 --> 04:02:04.399 you helped us generate in toy sales and merchandise sales. 4294 04:02:04.719 --> 04:02:07.440 And I just like you to watch pal as I 4295 04:02:07.600 --> 04:02:11.760 take thousand dollars bands until three hundred and ninety thousand 4296 04:02:11.840 --> 04:02:13.879 of this money has gone into my own pocket. I'd 4297 04:02:13.920 --> 04:02:16.040 like to say that you know what you have. You 4298 04:02:16.120 --> 04:02:17.879 know when you when you consider the fact I mean 4299 04:02:17.920 --> 04:02:21.440 this is this is only fair when you consider exactly well, yes, 4300 04:02:21.600 --> 04:02:25.920 it is your physical likeness, but the the there are 4301 04:02:26.159 --> 04:02:30.079 many layers as to what goes on in the creation 4302 04:02:31.040 --> 04:02:36.280 of this merchandising opportunity. And you know, as much as 4303 04:02:36.920 --> 04:02:39.600 your likeness is what is selling the product, it is 4304 04:02:39.680 --> 04:02:42.360 the people behind the scenes, the platform putting the product together. 4305 04:02:42.440 --> 04:02:46.840 It's the platform, and this certain platform that actually has 4306 04:02:46.959 --> 04:02:49.680 done the hard work. If I say platform, if I 4307 04:02:49.760 --> 04:02:52.680 say platform enough, suddenly I'm owed eighty percent of revenues. 4308 04:02:53.040 --> 04:02:58.360 I mean, listen, we we are, we are you know, 4309 04:02:59.360 --> 04:03:02.680 we are working. We are performing on a multitude of platforms, right, 4310 04:03:03.280 --> 04:03:07.680 and we have to consider, you know, the value and 4311 04:03:07.760 --> 04:03:11.440 the worth of each individual platform on a need to 4312 04:03:11.520 --> 04:03:17.079 know basis. Vince is just like he's playing pretend on 4313 04:03:17.200 --> 04:03:19.520 being a real businessman, you know what I mean, Like 4314 04:03:19.559 --> 04:03:23.120 he's learning in real time, like what stuff gets people 4315 04:03:23.159 --> 04:03:24.600 to go, what the fuck you're talking about? And what 4316 04:03:24.680 --> 04:03:27.200 stuff gets them to nod along. I mean, you know 4317 04:03:27.440 --> 04:03:33.559 this is this is just simple business, you know, mathematics. 4318 04:03:33.760 --> 04:03:35.760 Can you help me out here? I want to wear 4319 04:03:35.799 --> 04:03:39.520 I want to wear designer sweaters too. I want to 4320 04:03:39.559 --> 04:03:45.079 design Dick Eversol sweatered sweaterd during this era, and he's 4321 04:03:45.239 --> 04:03:47.639 very much sweatered in this piece. This is a I 4322 04:03:47.680 --> 04:03:50.000 believe it's a BBC news report. It's also from nineteen 4323 04:03:50.000 --> 04:03:52.200 eighty six, so it's timely. And they actually sit down 4324 04:03:52.239 --> 04:03:55.159 with Vince in the old Hollyhill Lane address uh wow, 4325 04:03:55.920 --> 04:03:58.920 in Stanford. They show the exterior of the building, which 4326 04:03:58.959 --> 04:04:02.159 is fascinating to look at. Just saw that they have 4327 04:04:02.280 --> 04:04:05.000 taken down Boss the WW logo from atop of the 4328 04:04:05.040 --> 04:04:08.200 old Titan tower. It's just the faded kind of black 4329 04:04:08.239 --> 04:04:09.799 outline where it used to be. You can kind of 4330 04:04:09.840 --> 04:04:12.959 make it out, but it's just it's gone. What a disgrace, 4331 04:04:13.440 --> 04:04:17.799 What a disgrace. I mean that tower has been there 4332 04:04:17.879 --> 04:04:22.559 our entire lives as wrestling fans. Yep, A beacon in 4333 04:04:22.959 --> 04:04:26.040 like this quaint area. You know, it's the new headquarters 4334 04:04:26.079 --> 04:04:28.760 is surrounded by a million other glistening office towers. It's 4335 04:04:28.840 --> 04:04:32.360 not it is visually distinct because they made a big 4336 04:04:32.440 --> 04:04:35.040 show of it, but it's Titan Towers was like this 4337 04:04:35.200 --> 04:04:39.799 little weird headquarters for the wrestling stuff in the middle 4338 04:04:39.799 --> 04:04:42.879 of this neighborhood in Stamford. It's like a it's like 4339 04:04:42.959 --> 04:04:47.559 a three family next to it. You know, when I 4340 04:04:47.639 --> 04:04:50.079 saw that the logo was gone, it's just black up there, 4341 04:04:50.159 --> 04:04:55.440 so sad, so sad. I don't know, man, just awful. 4342 04:04:56.000 --> 04:05:00.000 I don't know. So here he is. They're just gonna 4343 04:05:00.600 --> 04:05:02.200 destroy it. There's no I mean, no one's going to 4344 04:05:02.239 --> 04:05:04.399 buy that ship. What did Vince say at the live 4345 04:05:04.440 --> 04:05:07.879 show in Philly lapsed? Vince? He said, you know the 4346 04:05:08.000 --> 04:05:12.399 day will come when the building comes crumbling down, and 4347 04:05:12.479 --> 04:05:14.959 in that moment you will think of me, and you 4348 04:05:15.079 --> 04:05:20.000 will be grateful that I inherited this earth, because who 4349 04:05:20.120 --> 04:05:26.479 are you wrestling fans if not for me? Listen, I 4350 04:05:26.600 --> 04:05:34.559 said it, and I believe it. Wow, there's Vince. 4351 04:05:36.559 --> 04:05:40.399 The World Wrestling Federation is no stranger to hustle or bustle. 4352 04:05:41.040 --> 04:05:44.840 His head off is in peaceful Connecticut wrestling impresario Vince 4353 04:05:44.959 --> 04:05:48.079 McMahon to see the creative inspiration which is. 4354 04:05:48.120 --> 04:05:49.360 The secret of his success. 4355 04:05:50.399 --> 04:05:53.520 From there, Hulk is scheduled for a premiere of his 4356 04:05:53.680 --> 04:05:55.000 cartoon series. 4357 04:05:58.719 --> 04:06:02.239 Handed turned amun wrestling from an old fashioned grunt and 4358 04:06:02.360 --> 04:06:06.680 groan spectacle into an unfolding military for mass audiences. 4359 04:06:07.159 --> 04:06:09.840 For the hype leading up to the match is very carefully. 4360 04:06:11.399 --> 04:06:13.799 Man literally looks upon that hype the same way the 4361 04:06:13.840 --> 04:06:17.479 producer of Dynasty or Dallas looks at his supreme corse. 4362 04:06:18.639 --> 04:06:20.239 Here they have one man who sits in a room 4363 04:06:20.520 --> 04:06:23.120 a year round and writes a scenario six months in 4364 04:06:23.159 --> 04:06:25.520 advance for what's going to happen leading up to these matches. 4365 04:06:25.799 --> 04:06:29.319 And the wrestling business, it's a question of two or 4366 04:06:29.360 --> 04:06:33.920 more individuals going out to the ring wrestling, having a 4367 04:06:34.000 --> 04:06:36.159 little bit of applause or what have you from the audience, 4368 04:06:36.360 --> 04:06:38.559 and it's time to go home until the next match. 4369 04:06:38.879 --> 04:06:39.959 That's not really what we do. 4370 04:06:40.280 --> 04:06:43.280 We're in the sports entertainment business, yes, And there is 4371 04:06:43.360 --> 04:06:47.680 a huge philosophical difference between being in strictly the wrestling 4372 04:06:47.760 --> 04:06:50.600 business and being in the sports entertainment business. 4373 04:06:50.639 --> 04:06:54.040 As we are amidst the scramble for quick bucks and 4374 04:06:54.200 --> 04:06:58.680 instant excitement, a lone voice of dissent is making itself heard. 4375 04:06:59.440 --> 04:07:04.600 I think it's stresses everything which is dirty undided. I 4376 04:07:04.639 --> 04:07:07.680 think It teaches that you've got to be dirty in 4377 04:07:07.760 --> 04:07:09.520 order to be successful in this life. 4378 04:07:09.959 --> 04:07:13.520 Senator Abe Bernstein as a New York lawyer who wants 4379 04:07:13.559 --> 04:07:16.879 to introduce legislation to have McMahon's shows banned. 4380 04:07:18.120 --> 04:07:22.479 It glorifies brutality and physical violence and reminds me of 4381 04:07:22.920 --> 04:07:24.920 the Roman days of gladiators. 4382 04:07:25.239 --> 04:07:28.680 You don't see knives, you don't see guns, you don't 4383 04:07:28.719 --> 04:07:30.840 see rapes, you don't see anything at all like that 4384 04:07:31.000 --> 04:07:32.520 that's portrayed in anything. 4385 04:07:32.280 --> 04:07:36.319 That we do as long as family oriented environment. 4386 04:07:38.760 --> 04:07:42.520 Oh so it's the laps editor who's on television. That's 4387 04:07:42.559 --> 04:07:46.840 what that is right there, he's coming for it. Hi, 4388 04:07:46.920 --> 04:07:52.360 this fucking bullshit, this bullshit carnival he's doing that. We 4389 04:07:52.479 --> 04:07:54.479 don't do rapes that they would bring that they would 4390 04:07:54.520 --> 04:07:55.920 dust that one off for the attitude era. 4391 04:07:56.319 --> 04:07:59.440 Well, we don't do rapes unless it's the raping of 4392 04:08:00.120 --> 04:08:06.520 the giants, right, does raping of dignity count pal right exactly? Listen, 4393 04:08:06.639 --> 04:08:09.319 we don't listen, we don't. We don't televise rape. We 4394 04:08:09.399 --> 04:08:12.639 don't televise, uh, televise. 4395 04:08:12.760 --> 04:08:18.520 That's a big difference. And we don't do you know, 4396 04:08:18.639 --> 04:08:22.159 we don't. You know, these are these are certainly things 4397 04:08:22.360 --> 04:08:27.159 that differentiate us from uh any of your any of 4398 04:08:27.239 --> 04:08:32.520 your your network, your primetime network, uh entertainment vehicles. We 4399 04:08:33.040 --> 04:08:38.719 we what we do is really family oriented, action, adventure, 4400 04:08:39.399 --> 04:08:43.479 comedy entertainment. You know, we're telling stories and we are 4401 04:08:44.239 --> 04:08:46.000 you know, we we simply are out there to put 4402 04:08:46.000 --> 04:08:49.000 a smile on the fans' faces. And you know, we 4403 04:08:49.079 --> 04:08:50.920 don't do any of the negative things. You know, we're 4404 04:08:50.959 --> 04:08:56.719 not out there uh uh you know, doing drive by shootings, right, 4405 04:08:57.360 --> 04:08:59.879 you know we're not. We're not talking about portraying hard 4406 04:09:00.239 --> 04:09:02.879 like some of them primetime hits. We're not portraying murder. 4407 04:09:03.440 --> 04:09:06.360 You know, we would never ever think to do that. 4408 04:09:06.559 --> 04:09:10.120 We certainly don't put people on fire. We we don't 4409 04:09:10.239 --> 04:09:15.000 drop people from high altitudes. We don't pay we don't 4410 04:09:15.120 --> 04:09:19.079 pay off investigators to drop cases charges against our wrestlers. 4411 04:09:19.360 --> 04:09:22.600 You know, we don't use you know, barbed wire weaponry 4412 04:09:23.159 --> 04:09:26.840 that we'll never do that ever. You know, we don't 4413 04:09:27.639 --> 04:09:32.360 we don't do stories of sexual uh uh desire and 4414 04:09:32.719 --> 04:09:39.760 and incestual opportunities. Now, I know why'd be aware of 4415 04:09:39.879 --> 04:09:45.000 data such a Only Vince has ever said these two 4416 04:09:45.040 --> 04:09:54.879 words together. Incestual opportunities I'm not saying the two words 4417 04:09:54.879 --> 04:09:56.840 have never been said side by side, but they've never 4418 04:09:56.920 --> 04:10:01.440 been said with this air of like a corporate path 4419 04:10:01.479 --> 04:10:05.159 that could be taken. Like he's not talking about, you know, 4420 04:10:05.639 --> 04:10:09.120 some perv uncle who like has access to his niece. No, 4421 04:10:09.239 --> 04:10:13.120 when he says ancestral incestual opportunities, he's talking about the 4422 04:10:13.239 --> 04:10:18.600 chance to somehow make commerce out of incest just one 4423 04:10:18.639 --> 04:10:20.959 of many categories we can choose to enter that we 4424 04:10:21.079 --> 04:10:22.920 choose not to enter, at least not yet, not until 4425 04:10:22.959 --> 04:10:26.959 she gets some plants. So that's fine, That's what I'm 4426 04:10:26.959 --> 04:10:30.120 trying to say. I can't get the problem. We don't 4427 04:10:30.159 --> 04:10:32.239 do rape, but I can't get over him in the 4428 04:10:32.319 --> 04:10:39.280 officing r ah so fucking Rich's So it's just unbelievable. 4429 04:10:39.440 --> 04:10:41.200 Just think of what that says about the popularity at 4430 04:10:41.280 --> 04:10:44.360 WWF at the time that you know, this British news 4431 04:10:44.360 --> 04:10:46.840 station would send these guys all the way across the 4432 04:10:46.920 --> 04:10:50.120 country the world rather to go to the fucking headquarters 4433 04:10:50.159 --> 04:10:52.680 and interview Vince and wondering what the fuck is this 4434 04:10:53.040 --> 04:10:56.000 shit about. That's what it is. As much as we 4435 04:10:56.040 --> 04:10:58.840 talk about eighty five, and it was transformative Wrestlinginia one Saturday. 4436 04:10:58.879 --> 04:11:02.319 It's main event, water Settle to score all this incredibly 4437 04:11:02.360 --> 04:11:06.079 important stuff that happened eighty five, the integration with Cindy Lauper, 4438 04:11:06.159 --> 04:11:08.600 which kind of kicked off in eighty four, but it 4439 04:11:08.719 --> 04:11:12.799 was eighty six where like the Blitz happens because finally 4440 04:11:12.799 --> 04:11:15.760 everyone's caught up to it, you know, sure, and they've 4441 04:11:15.879 --> 04:11:18.200 come out with the Wrestling Album, which gives another pretense 4442 04:11:18.280 --> 04:11:20.319 to look in at WWF again and at the end 4443 04:11:20.319 --> 04:11:23.079 of the year. So eighty six is full of crazy 4444 04:11:23.280 --> 04:11:26.319 publicity about this thing. They were excited to see them 4445 04:11:26.360 --> 04:11:28.840 come to Baltimore. Boss, I can tell you that, yeah, 4446 04:11:28.879 --> 04:11:31.959 and if you can share with us, The Insights has 4447 04:11:32.040 --> 04:11:35.360 featured in the Monday, March third, nineteen eighty six editions. 4448 04:11:35.360 --> 04:11:36.920 So this is just a couple of days after the 4449 04:11:37.000 --> 04:11:40.840 Slammies took place in Baltimore. One of their columnists, Kevin Cowherd, 4450 04:11:41.200 --> 04:11:45.040 has a different thoughts. First of all, he's got to 4451 04:11:45.159 --> 04:11:48.959 change that name. This is totally inappropriate. I mean, you 4452 04:11:49.040 --> 04:11:51.079 want to talk about right up our alley. This is 4453 04:11:51.200 --> 04:11:55.159 like exactly the column that the Lapse editor would assigned. 4454 04:11:56.959 --> 04:11:59.879 Uptown Saturday night. The Civic Center is a perfect cold 4455 04:12:00.319 --> 04:12:03.280 of noise and haze and chaos. By the time the 4456 04:12:03.360 --> 04:12:06.200 tag team of Nikolai Volkov and the Iron Sheek climbs 4457 04:12:06.239 --> 04:12:10.360 into the ring, a chorus of booze rains down. Volkov 4458 04:12:10.399 --> 04:12:12.799 and the Sheik you should know are the bad guys. 4459 04:12:13.040 --> 04:12:17.319 The Sheik is wearing a burnoose and waving his omnipresent 4460 04:12:17.360 --> 04:12:21.399 Iranian flag. Volkov carries a whip. He has introduced it's 4461 04:12:21.399 --> 04:12:24.799 hailing from Moscow, Russia, although there is evidence to suggest 4462 04:12:24.840 --> 04:12:28.200 he's a former amateur weightlifter from Hackensack, New Jersey. The 4463 04:12:28.319 --> 04:12:32.120 noise level climbs two decibels. Volkov and the Sheiks strut 4464 04:12:32.159 --> 04:12:35.239 about the ring and wave their fists. Their manager, the 4465 04:12:35.360 --> 04:12:39.319 nefarious classy Freddy Blasi, helps calm the sellout crowd of 4466 04:12:39.399 --> 04:12:44.000 some fourteen thousand by waving his cane menacingly and thundering 4467 04:12:44.079 --> 04:12:48.079 his trademark you pencil necked geeks at the fans. And 4468 04:12:48.239 --> 04:12:52.159 then it happens. The moment we've all been waiting for, 4469 04:12:53.920 --> 04:12:59.719 ladies and gentlemen, intones the ring announcer, mister Volkov requests, 4470 04:13:00.159 --> 04:13:04.000 but you all rise and join in the singing of 4471 04:13:04.079 --> 04:13:11.040 the Russian national anthem. Well instant bedlam. Beer cups come 4472 04:13:11.159 --> 04:13:13.799 hurtling in the direction of the ring, so do pennies, 4473 04:13:14.000 --> 04:13:17.200 bottle caps, even a chair. I pray silently that no 4474 04:13:17.319 --> 04:13:22.360 one has seen fit to bring along a hand Grenade's 4475 04:13:22.360 --> 04:13:25.079 a fucking idiot. Volkov and the Sheik appear not to 4476 04:13:25.200 --> 04:13:30.639 notice the debris. Both have snapped in two attention, saluting respectfully. 4477 04:13:30.760 --> 04:13:32.600 It's so funny to me, how when you look at 4478 04:13:32.639 --> 04:13:36.040 mainstream media articles about WWF at this point, how Volkov 4479 04:13:36.120 --> 04:13:41.159 and Chic resonate so much. It's so true, the observer, 4480 04:13:41.280 --> 04:13:42.719 they'd like to stand out more than Hogan. 4481 04:13:43.440 --> 04:13:51.959 Yep, yep, Usa Usa. The crowd chance predictably, Yes, dirty 4482 04:13:52.079 --> 04:13:55.440 stinkin Russians, screams a kid next to me. You believe 4483 04:13:55.680 --> 04:13:59.120 the nerve of these dirty stinkin Russians, right, I tell 4484 04:13:59.200 --> 04:14:07.840 him I am most certainly do not. Maybe ten minutes later, 4485 04:14:07.920 --> 04:14:11.479 Volkov and the Sheik extract their revenge. Volkov slams a 4486 04:14:11.600 --> 04:14:15.280 chair over the head of good guy Corporal Kirshner, rendering 4487 04:14:15.360 --> 04:14:19.040 him all but unconscious. With the referee suitably distracted, the 4488 04:14:19.079 --> 04:14:23.520 Sheiks slaps the dreaded camel clutch on Kirshner's partner George. 4489 04:14:23.559 --> 04:14:26.399 The animal steel a good camel clutch, by the way, 4490 04:14:26.520 --> 04:14:31.120 is supposed to be better than better than ether for 4491 04:14:31.239 --> 04:14:36.959 putting your opponent's lights out, better than ether, better than ether. 4492 04:14:37.079 --> 04:14:40.239 It's a band, Yeah right. Volkov and the Sheik are 4493 04:14:40.360 --> 04:14:43.399 declared the winners. Seconds later, Kirshner looks as if he 4494 04:14:43.520 --> 04:14:46.840 needs a stretcher. The animal is so distraught that he 4495 04:14:46.879 --> 04:14:50.879 starts eating one of the turnbuckles, spitting sawdust in the air. 4496 04:14:53.200 --> 04:14:56.159 Some sawdust fucking stuffing. 4497 04:14:55.959 --> 04:14:56.360 Is what it is. 4498 04:14:56.520 --> 04:14:59.879 Yeah, he thought that was sawdust in the turn dust. Yeah, yeah, 4499 04:15:00.799 --> 04:15:02.159 it's smart guy coward. 4500 04:15:02.760 --> 04:15:06.680 Coward is fighting coward right, Yeah, let's get it, Kevin 4501 04:15:06.760 --> 04:15:10.639 Pussy more like about it. An ocean of booze crashes 4502 04:15:10.680 --> 04:15:15.879 down once again. I thought the bad guys always lose, 4503 04:15:16.719 --> 04:15:21.520 says a woman to my ride. It's a game of inches, 4504 04:15:21.680 --> 04:15:27.159 I tell her, and a sad day for America someone 4505 04:15:27.319 --> 04:15:32.520 else's someone else said no way, give me guys. All 4506 04:15:32.600 --> 04:15:35.760 sorts of disparaging remarks are regularly attached to pro wrestling 4507 04:15:35.799 --> 04:15:39.680 and the people who pay to watch it. The thing 4508 04:15:39.760 --> 04:15:42.079 that scares me the most about wrestling fans, manager Bobby 4509 04:15:42.120 --> 04:15:43.600 the brain Heenan always says. 4510 04:15:43.680 --> 04:15:45.760 Is that they can vote and they can breed. 4511 04:15:48.200 --> 04:15:52.600 Oh Heenan Sports Illustrated reports that wrestlers themselves are foo 4512 04:15:52.920 --> 04:15:59.840 fond food for thought, are fond of telling this joke question? 4513 04:16:00.120 --> 04:16:03.639 What has fourteen teeth and an IQ of fifteen a 4514 04:16:04.760 --> 04:16:07.399 the first ten rows of any wrestling crow? Oh god, 4515 04:16:07.879 --> 04:16:11.159 booh we go Yet if the Civic Centers show this 4516 04:16:11.280 --> 04:16:15.159 past weekend as any indication pro wrestling's gaudy appeal, with 4517 04:16:15.319 --> 04:16:18.399 its vaunted rock and wrestling connection and its emphasis on 4518 04:16:18.520 --> 04:16:22.440 slick showbiz packaging has never been greater. One other thing, 4519 04:16:22.920 --> 04:16:26.680 Baltimore is fast emerging as a flagship city for the 4520 04:16:26.760 --> 04:16:30.760 worldlessing entertainment, which currently dominates the industry, which is one 4521 04:16:30.840 --> 04:16:34.959 reason the WWE designed to hold the much heralded Slammys 4522 04:16:35.600 --> 04:16:40.639 Awards Slammy's Awards Right ceremony here Saturday, as well as 4523 04:16:40.680 --> 04:16:46.559 the long awaited steal quote quote steel cage unquote match 4524 04:16:46.600 --> 04:16:50.719 between former tag team partners and now bitter arch rivals 4525 04:16:50.840 --> 04:16:54.079 Rowdy Roddy Piper and Paul mister Wonderful Orndorf. 4526 04:16:54.159 --> 04:16:57.479 Yes, what's that a real steal cage? No, he doesn't, 4527 04:16:57.680 --> 04:17:01.319 it's in't quotes. What's that you say? You never heard 4528 04:17:01.360 --> 04:17:07.799 of the Slammies. Here the jack Oh go ahead say 4529 04:17:07.840 --> 04:17:12.079 it so yeah, yeah, right listen, I'm just gonna say 4530 04:17:12.280 --> 04:17:14.680 not my words. This is a quote by Kevin Coward. 4531 04:17:14.879 --> 04:17:17.280 It up with the Slammies line before it again. What's 4532 04:17:17.319 --> 04:17:20.319 that you say you never heard of the Slammies? Here 4533 04:17:20.440 --> 04:17:24.040 the Japs bomb Pearl Harbor oh Man. 4534 04:17:24.559 --> 04:17:26.840 Anyway, the Slammys arret of wrestling with the Grammys art 4535 04:17:26.840 --> 04:17:29.639 of the music industry. It seems a group of ww 4536 04:17:29.799 --> 04:17:32.879 wrestlers got together and cut an album called, oddly enough, 4537 04:17:33.639 --> 04:17:36.559 the Wrestling Album That Deserved. 4538 04:17:37.520 --> 04:17:38.959 Yes, indeed, they. 4539 04:17:40.680 --> 04:17:43.280 They filmed a music video as well, an updated beef 4540 04:17:43.360 --> 04:17:46.479 and bronze version of that old standard Land of a 4541 04:17:46.520 --> 04:17:49.840 Thousand Dances. The album, by the way, is cleaning up. 4542 04:17:50.079 --> 04:17:54.280 They're backing up armored cars to the ww offices here 4543 04:17:54.600 --> 04:17:55.959 with this has nothing to. 4544 04:17:55.959 --> 04:17:58.719 Do with any any kind of money being there. You 4545 04:17:58.760 --> 04:18:01.600 know what's in those armored cars. It's not just to 4546 04:18:01.719 --> 04:18:02.239 take away. 4547 04:18:05.559 --> 04:18:08.600 So here was the wrestling industry in Baltimore this weekend, 4548 04:18:08.719 --> 04:18:11.200 patting itself on the back and handing out it's quote 4549 04:18:11.319 --> 04:18:15.920 Slammys unquote and generally preening over the healthy spread of 4550 04:18:16.120 --> 04:18:19.639 Matt Mania for This Country. For the record, Rowdy Rdy 4551 04:18:19.680 --> 04:18:23.079 Piper won a Slammy for quote best performance unquote in 4552 04:18:23.120 --> 04:18:23.479 the video. 4553 04:18:25.559 --> 04:18:27.639 It's got kind of rules. I gotta say, Yeah, he's 4554 04:18:27.680 --> 04:18:31.200 winning me over. Yeah. This enraged Bobby the brain Heenan, 4555 04:18:31.280 --> 04:18:34.120 who claimed he should have won in a landslide since 4556 04:18:34.200 --> 04:18:38.239 and I'm quoting here, I voted ten thousand times myself. 4557 04:18:39.959 --> 04:18:43.280 Except he didn't. He voted for didn't know for himself. 4558 04:18:43.360 --> 04:18:47.239 But it's fine. He voted for Bundy. 4559 04:18:47.559 --> 04:18:49.319 He just voted for someone who didn't win, is what 4560 04:18:49.360 --> 04:18:52.239 he's saying. Right, Well, well, he says he's saying that 4561 04:18:52.280 --> 04:18:54.719 Bobby the brain Heenon should have Bobby Heenon thinks he 4562 04:18:54.719 --> 04:18:56.360 should have won. That's not what he means. By I 4563 04:18:56.479 --> 04:19:01.120 voted myself, he means right, not for myself. Right, He 4564 04:19:01.360 --> 04:19:05.120 just voted that many times for Bundy. He even threw 4565 04:19:05.159 --> 04:19:09.520 a microphone at Master of Ceremonies and super promoter Vince 4566 04:19:09.600 --> 04:19:13.239 McMahon and then stalked off stage. Me and gene Oakerland 4567 04:19:13.280 --> 04:19:17.600 won the category of quote Best Wrestling Commentator unquote. This 4568 04:19:17.840 --> 04:19:20.280 so infuriated Jesse the Body of Ventura that he had 4569 04:19:20.319 --> 04:19:24.559 to be physically restrained from attacking the legendary guerrilla Monsoon. Yes, 4570 04:19:24.840 --> 04:19:27.319 he's pissed that Gene Okerland won, so he has to 4571 04:19:27.440 --> 04:19:30.959 fight off Monsoon Soon, stopping him from getting to Gene. 4572 04:19:31.040 --> 04:19:35.520 I guess, yeah, I guess the quote Junkyard Dog unquote 4573 04:19:35.559 --> 04:19:38.600 one for best solo performance on the album. Like he 4574 04:19:38.719 --> 04:19:43.440 needs another award. Ah, He's expected to gross over three 4575 04:19:43.520 --> 04:19:46.959 hundred thousand dollars this year alone. The Dog celebrated by 4576 04:19:47.799 --> 04:19:48.639 celebrated by. 4577 04:19:48.600 --> 04:19:50.840 Mugging the evil Jimmy the Mouth of the South Heart, 4578 04:19:51.360 --> 04:19:57.399 the bullhorned toting manager of such near dwells as King 4579 04:19:57.520 --> 04:19:58.239 Kong Bundy. 4580 04:20:00.159 --> 04:20:03.760 This guy watched the fucking thing at all. Now, he 4581 04:20:03.959 --> 04:20:06.079 just collected all the names and just tried to have 4582 04:20:06.200 --> 04:20:06.760 fun with him. 4583 04:20:07.719 --> 04:20:10.840 By now you understand the tone of the evening festivities. 4584 04:20:11.319 --> 04:20:13.959 Clearly this was no Book of the Month club meeting, 4585 04:20:14.559 --> 04:20:18.280 but there was more. Rock star Cindi Lauper, appropriately disguised 4586 04:20:18.360 --> 04:20:22.639 as the dizzy yet alluring Mona Flombay, made a guest appearance. 4587 04:20:23.079 --> 04:20:27.040 Guitarist Rick Derringer played, so did Leslie West, once the 4588 04:20:27.079 --> 04:20:30.719 guiding forest of the seminal rock group Mountain MTV, the 4589 04:20:30.799 --> 04:20:35.079 music television station, showed the proceedings live to a nationwide audience. 4590 04:20:35.879 --> 04:20:41.840 Piper called Lauper a scuzz head perfect and why shouldn't 4591 04:20:41.840 --> 04:20:47.799 wrestling celebrate on this cold March evening. Despite dire predictions 4592 04:20:47.840 --> 04:20:52.760 to the contrary, pro wrestling is still booming. It's still hip, 4593 04:20:53.159 --> 04:20:58.079 even chic to tune into America's newest hulking heroes at 4594 04:20:58.120 --> 04:21:01.719 the good times. Roll arenas are still bursting with wrestling 4595 04:21:01.799 --> 04:21:05.440 fans each month. The Nielsen ratings are holding steady, which 4596 04:21:05.520 --> 04:21:09.639 is to say they're still sky high. People everywhere are 4597 04:21:09.760 --> 04:21:13.879 still talking pile drivers in sleeper holes, buying Hulk Hogan 4598 04:21:13.959 --> 04:21:20.799 posters and Superfly Jimmy Snook dolls. Business has never been better. 4599 04:21:21.079 --> 04:21:26.200 The quote steel cage unquote match between Piper and Orndorf 4600 04:21:26.399 --> 04:21:29.920 is proceeding with proper drama, and the span of five minutes, 4601 04:21:29.959 --> 04:21:33.719 Piper has rammed Orndorf's face into the steel cables. What 4602 04:21:36.799 --> 04:21:38.040 the steel cables? 4603 04:21:38.239 --> 04:21:40.479 There's different? You know those cages aren't made out of 4604 04:21:40.639 --> 04:21:43.200 ring ropes, right right, They're not? Yeah, exactly. 4605 04:21:44.319 --> 04:21:47.399 Gouged his eyes, knead him in the groin, stomped on 4606 04:21:47.440 --> 04:21:51.040 his Adam's apple, and butted him in the forehead. A 4607 04:21:51.200 --> 04:21:53.719 less worthy opponent would surely be on his way to 4608 04:21:53.840 --> 04:21:57.479 the emergency ward. Yet Orndorff remarkably looks as fit and 4609 04:21:57.639 --> 04:22:00.319 rested as a man just returned from a you make 4610 04:22:00.360 --> 04:22:05.200 in vacation. Then it happens. With a superhuman burst of strength, 4611 04:22:05.360 --> 04:22:09.319 Orndorf explodes from Piper's grasp and hurls himself through the 4612 04:22:09.559 --> 04:22:14.360 steel cage door. Under the rules, he wins as the 4613 04:22:14.440 --> 04:22:18.520 first man out of the cage. Predictably, Piper does not 4614 04:22:18.639 --> 04:22:21.719 take this loss gracefully. Stunned for a moment, he then 4615 04:22:21.879 --> 04:22:23.399 stands and are you ready? 4616 04:22:24.520 --> 04:22:27.719 Decks. The referee levels him with a blow to the head. 4617 04:22:28.200 --> 04:22:30.399 The Civic Center is up in arms once more. The 4618 04:22:30.479 --> 04:22:35.760 booze roll in like thunder across a Kansas prairie. Piper 4619 04:22:35.840 --> 04:22:38.799 grins an evil grin, then struts off, and as the 4620 04:22:38.879 --> 04:22:41.799 arena lights flick on and we stream for the exits, 4621 04:22:41.879 --> 04:22:45.799 we are all agreed in one thing that Piper is 4622 04:22:46.000 --> 04:22:53.799 really a scuzz head. Oh man, chef's kiss, what a 4623 04:22:54.719 --> 04:22:59.239 listen coward? He did it, he came back. I'll say 4624 04:22:59.280 --> 04:23:02.879 that that is. Send the local columnist from the big, 4625 04:23:03.159 --> 04:23:05.719 big metropolitan paper to see what all this wrestling fuss 4626 04:23:05.879 --> 04:23:06.239 is about. 4627 04:23:07.159 --> 04:23:09.559 By the way, if you want, if you're curious about 4628 04:23:09.639 --> 04:23:14.360 getting a Mitsubishie at Jerry's Mitsubishi Clearance, you can get 4629 04:23:14.399 --> 04:23:18.799 a nineteen eighty six Mirage for fifty eight ninety five, 4630 04:23:19.440 --> 04:23:21.520 or you can get a Mighty Max for fifty eight 4631 04:23:21.639 --> 04:23:22.040 ninety five. 4632 04:23:22.200 --> 04:23:25.799 Imagine those prices. How about a crabcake at Jimmy's. How 4633 04:23:25.840 --> 04:23:30.280 about a Primadoro at a Please? At Sabatinos, you can 4634 04:23:30.319 --> 04:23:34.159 get a nineteen eighty six starry On for fourteen. Do 4635 04:23:34.200 --> 04:23:38.040 you think Kevin Coward came away thinking every WWF show 4636 04:23:38.079 --> 04:23:41.639 has an awards part to it. I bet I bet 4637 04:23:41.719 --> 04:23:43.440 He's like, you know, well, I guess that's what they do. 4638 04:23:43.639 --> 04:23:43.799 Huh. 4639 04:23:43.920 --> 04:23:45.920 They do the awards thing, do the matches, and they 4640 04:23:45.959 --> 04:23:51.200 do a fake ward ceremony. Academy of Oscars, Yeah, a 4641 04:23:51.319 --> 04:23:55.079 fake Academy Awards. They got the Oscars, they got the Mabels, 4642 04:23:55.079 --> 04:23:57.479 they got the Mo's. It's right, it's out of control. 4643 04:23:58.600 --> 04:24:04.200 So wow, that's Baltimore. That's the Slammies. And as we know, 4644 04:24:05.399 --> 04:24:10.200 when the curtain closed on Rowdy Roddy Pipers, Cowherd illustrates 4645 04:24:10.280 --> 04:24:12.600 there for the evening, So too, did the lights go 4646 04:24:12.760 --> 04:24:16.680 down on the seminal yet short relationship between the Word 4647 04:24:16.680 --> 04:24:19.600 Wrestling Federation and music television. It doesn't get more ads 4648 04:24:19.680 --> 04:24:22.280 than that. And here from SHAWNA. 4649 04:24:22.360 --> 04:24:25.120 Sale's book Sex Lies in Headlocks, The Real Story of 4650 04:24:25.159 --> 04:24:28.079 Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Entertainment, we get a 4651 04:24:28.520 --> 04:24:30.959 snippet from his reporting of how it all came to 4652 04:24:31.000 --> 04:24:35.760 an end. The ensuring Feurer made Vince McMahon's business so hot. 4653 04:24:35.920 --> 04:24:38.200 The third MTV special, The War to Settle the Score, 4654 04:24:38.479 --> 04:24:41.840 aired live and in prime time. To ensure crossover appeal, 4655 04:24:41.879 --> 04:24:43.680 a new member was added to the cast, Mister t, 4656 04:24:44.120 --> 04:24:46.639 whose career had been launched by Rocky three and was 4657 04:24:46.680 --> 04:24:49.040 at his mass appeal height as the star of NBC's 4658 04:24:49.040 --> 04:24:52.040 action show The A Team. On February eighteenth, nineteen eighty five, 4659 04:24:52.120 --> 04:24:54.760 The War replaced The Brawl as the highest rated show 4660 04:24:54.760 --> 04:24:57.959 in MTV history. By now, it was obvious that MTV 4661 04:24:58.520 --> 04:25:01.760 had transformed Vinie's business, Yes and markets Like Saint Louis, 4662 04:25:01.879 --> 04:25:05.040 The ratings for his syndicated show were doubling. Inside MTV. 4663 04:25:05.440 --> 04:25:08.000 That fed a perception that the network was giving more 4664 04:25:08.440 --> 04:25:09.920 than it was getting. 4665 04:25:10.559 --> 04:25:10.760 MMM. 4666 04:25:11.920 --> 04:25:18.000 The perception was particularly acute with Garland's boss Robert Pittman quote. 4667 04:25:18.200 --> 04:25:20.040 A year after we made the first deal with Vince, 4668 04:25:20.319 --> 04:25:23.799 it occurred to Pittman that he made one mistake, says Garland. Ah, 4669 04:25:24.280 --> 04:25:27.840 he didn't ask for a piece of the action. Kept saying, 4670 04:25:28.399 --> 04:25:30.600 look at how big we made it. We put MTV's 4671 04:25:30.600 --> 04:25:32.719 seal of approval on it. Why don't we have a cut. 4672 04:25:33.600 --> 04:25:36.600 So Pittman asked McMahon to a conference room in the 4673 04:25:36.680 --> 04:25:39.760 company's corporate office and told him the price of continued 4674 04:25:39.799 --> 04:25:44.000 exposure would be a cut of his gross McMahon's reply 4675 04:25:44.639 --> 04:25:46.760 was short and to the point. As good as you've 4676 04:25:46.799 --> 04:25:49.600 been to us, We've been good to you, and I'm 4677 04:25:49.639 --> 04:25:51.159 not asking for a piece of MTV. 4678 04:25:52.319 --> 04:25:52.559 Wow. 4679 04:25:52.959 --> 04:25:58.000 That was pretty much the end of that relationship, Garland says, Oss. 4680 04:25:58.040 --> 04:26:01.520 How about the nineteen eighty six Slammy Awards, toll, oh. 4681 04:26:01.520 --> 04:26:08.760 Man, we have twenty four, yes, and that's probably not 4682 04:26:08.920 --> 04:26:10.840 you know, I mean. The problem is is that they 4683 04:26:10.959 --> 04:26:14.959 show the goddamn music video, right, yeah, that that really 4684 04:26:15.040 --> 04:26:15.559 raps it up. 4685 04:26:16.239 --> 04:26:21.680 Literally ding ding ding kills it kills it, no pun intended, yeah, 4686 04:26:21.840 --> 04:26:24.120 or pun completely intense, like when the pinball gets caught 4687 04:26:24.200 --> 04:26:27.040 in the two Yeah, that little lane there bounces back 4688 04:26:27.079 --> 04:26:27.840 and forth for a minute. 4689 04:26:27.920 --> 04:26:30.680 Yep, I mean you can't even see everybody, and I'm 4690 04:26:30.680 --> 04:26:34.440 sure that there are more in there but Gorilla Monsoon, 4691 04:26:35.200 --> 04:26:42.120 Mister Fuji, Fredn's Blassie, Lou Albano, Paul Orndorf, Howard Finkel, 4692 04:26:42.719 --> 04:26:50.360 Randon Savage, Rawden's Piper, the Iron Sheets, George Steele, gene Oakerland, 4693 04:26:51.120 --> 04:27:00.399 Arnold Scoland, Jay Strongbow, Bobbins, Heenen Heenan, John's Valiant, Nikolaifel Cough, 4694 04:27:01.079 --> 04:27:02.680 King Kong Abundance. 4695 04:27:03.680 --> 04:27:09.879 SD Jump King Kong Abundance. Yes, Adrian Adonis, Terrence Funk, 4696 04:27:11.079 --> 04:27:18.479 Fabulous Moolah, Uncle Elmer, Jim Knightheart and the junk Yard Dog. 4697 04:27:19.600 --> 04:27:21.879 And with that business to spelled, it's time to raise 4698 04:27:21.920 --> 04:27:24.479 the mood up in this piece. Let's get ourselves some 4699 04:27:24.559 --> 04:27:27.079 twoty fruity. Let's grab some cakes. What do you say, boss, 4700 04:27:27.840 --> 04:27:30.079 I'm I'm I'm ready to get slammied. Time for the 4701 04:27:30.159 --> 04:27:34.600 nineteen eighty six Slammy Awards. On the other side of 4702 04:27:34.719 --> 04:27:35.879 this break, keep it close,