WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.919 Hello, and welcome to my podcast. This is an audio 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:06.719 version of my videos available to make listening to my 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:10.000 stuff in the background easier than YouTube makes it. But 4 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.640 since my videos are primarily made for YouTube, there may 5 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:16.920 be occasional references to visual materials. If you'd like this 6 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.519 podcast ad free, you can join us on Patreon app, 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:22.839 Patreon dot com slash Vice Rhino. Please enjoy. 8 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:27.839 Hello and welcome to my channel Vice Rhino. Here today 9 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:29.960 we're looking at a video that I became aware of 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.119 when TMM and Professor Plink made their responses to it, 11 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.920 and the premise sounded interesting enough that I decided I 12 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.280 wanted to have a go. I have avoided watching more 13 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.679 than the introductory sections from either of the other videos 14 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.399 in order to avoid just copying their homework, but given 15 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.759 how unoriginal most apologetic stuff is, I imagine there will 16 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.240 be a fair amount of overlap. So this video is 17 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:53.079 called Dear Atheist, ten Things you should Stop saying. 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This is a limited time offer, 47 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.400 so sign up today and remember by signing up for 48 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.520 surf Shark VPN, you're helping to support my channel. 49 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:20.080 So thank you, dear atheists. 50 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.360 As a theist, as a Christian, I want to ask 51 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.639 you to stop doing ten things. Okay, ten things is 52 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:31.919 what I'm imploring you to stop doing when talking to 53 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.319 or debating with a Christian someone like me. 54 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:37.520 Well, I'll start my video by offering you a couple 55 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.520 suggestions for yours. First, if you're dead set on the 56 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.400 typical apologist, look at all the books I want you 57 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:44.599 to think I read background. You need to be farther 58 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.439 away from the book so that the camera's auto focus 59 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.319 can figure out that there's a person there that should 60 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.159 be in focus. If space is an issue, get someone 61 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.000 to manually focus it for you. Second, you don't need 62 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.120 to have hand gestures for everything you say. If you're 63 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.479 just naturally a gestury guy. That is fine, but don't 64 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:03.599 squish yourself to make sure the gestures are visible on camera. 65 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.039 It makes it look rather awkward. I am not pointing 66 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.680 these out to be like, oh, look at me, I'm 67 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.120 so much better at tubing the US than you. I'm 68 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:15.159 doing it because these are things that I have also 69 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:17.719 had issues with in the past. Though this is probably 70 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.120 pointless now. This channel's more recent videos are mostly just 71 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.400 recordings of him getting sermons in a church, so I 72 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.599 don't know I'll do with this what you will. 73 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.400 First off, stop claiming that Theists or Christians have the 74 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:33.319 burden of proof for proving God's existence. 75 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.159 Why to read the paragraph that you've got on screen quote, 76 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.319 the burden of proof is on the person who makes 77 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.759 the claim, not on the person who denies or questions 78 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.159 the claim. The fallacy of the burden of proof occurs 79 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.240 when someone who is making a claim puts the burden 80 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.960 of proof on another party to disprove what they are claiming. 81 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:52.879 You are claiming that there is a God. I question 82 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.439 that claim. At what point in this transaction do you 83 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:56.879 not have the burden of proof? 84 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.280 How burden of proof works? Is anybody making a claim 85 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.479 has to back that claim up. 86 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.759 You claim there's a God, I am asking you to 87 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:08.680 back that claim up, easy peasy. 88 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.759 So if I were to say God does exist, I 89 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.199 do have the burden of proof. I will have to 90 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:16.000 try to prove that. 91 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.279 Yes. So I am still confused as to why you 92 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.519 think I should stop pointing out that it's a reversal 93 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:23.439 of the burden of proof for you to then turn 94 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.120 around and say prove God doesn't exist when I ask 95 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:26.920 you for evidence. 96 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.360 If you say God does not exist, you. 97 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:34.399 Are making a claim and you have to prove that 98 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:35.759 argument right there. 99 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.439 Sure, I'd agree that if an atheist is claiming that 100 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.839 there are no gods, then that would place the burden 101 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.000 of proof on the atheists. You know what, I'm actually 102 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.879 going to agree with this. Atheists should stop telling apologists 103 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.639 that they have the burden of proof. But not because 104 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.759 the apologists don't have the burden of proof, rather because 105 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:56.519 burden of proof isn't really useful concept in normal conversations. 106 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.000 If you are in a formal debate, then sure it 107 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.199 is good to establish at the beginning who has the 108 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.439 burden of proof, and that will depend on the phrasing 109 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.480 of the proposition being debated, But in normal conversation, the 110 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.399 burden of proof doesn't necessarily lie with the person making 111 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.160 the claim. Rather, it lies with the person who is 112 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:14.959 actually trying to convince the other person that they are right. 113 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.519 If you are trying to convince me that there is 114 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.040 a God, I ask for evidence and your response is 115 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.360 to tell me to prove that there is not a God, 116 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:24.839 then I'm probably going to write you off as someone 117 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.720 who isn't worth engaging with. Likewise, if an atheist is 118 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.839 trying to convince a Christian that there is no God, 119 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.160 falling back to telling the Christian that they have the 120 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.399 burden of proof so they need to prove atheism wrong 121 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.199 is not likely to be taken seriously. And this is 122 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.160 true regardless of whether the atheist formulates their position as 123 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.759 there are no gods or I am not convinced of 124 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.160 your claim that there is a God. Arguing over the 125 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.920 burden of proof will at best and in a technical 126 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.319 gatcha that will change the way someone states their position, 127 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.600 but changes no minds. So arguing over the burden of 128 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.160 proof is largely pointless in most scenarios. Functionally speaking, the 129 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.519 burden lies with the person who cares about convincing the 130 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.040 other person irrespective of how their position is stated. Such 131 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.720 a person would be better served by actually arguing for 132 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.560 their position rather than trying to convince their interlocutor that 133 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.560 they don't have to because of some philosophical technicality. 134 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.800 Second thing, please stop saying that Christians have a blind faith. 135 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.360 That's not something I've been a fan of saying. But 136 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.560 the Bible does define faith as the conviction of things 137 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.519 not seen. So if you're not happy with faith being blind, 138 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:30.279 maybe take that up with God. 139 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.879 There is nothing about Christianity that requires or even that God. 140 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:37.680 Asks for a blind faith. 141 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:38.680 I don't know. 142 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:40.759 I feel like asking people to believe that a guy 143 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.839 came back from the dead based on nothing but accounts 144 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.920 found in ancient books kind of fits that description. There 145 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.680 are all sorts of miraculous claims found in all sorts 146 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.879 of ancient books, Christian or otherwise, many of which, including 147 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:55.079 a lot of the Christian ones, Christians themselves do not accept. 148 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:58.120 Read some of the apocryphal Gospel. Sometime asking us to 149 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:01.720 believe one specific magic claim from one specific ancient book 150 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:04.800 with nothing aside from the claims of that book, as 151 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.560 the evidence is essentially blind. 152 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:07.920 Faith. 153 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.600 So, while this is not something that I typically say, 154 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.360 it is an unfortunate fact for you that your book 155 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.480 defines faith as blind, and your evidence isn't any better 156 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.920 than the evidence for, say, Apollonius of Tyana, a first 157 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.680 century Neo pytheagre and miracle worker who healed the sick 158 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.759 and was executed by the Romans before his ascension to heaven. 159 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.839 The evidence for Apollonius is actually better than for Jesus, 160 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.879 because we potentially have fragments of works that were actually 161 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.360 authored by him, whereas I'm not aware of anyone even 162 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:38.759 claiming that Jesus ever wrote anything himself. 163 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:41.839 We're told in the Book of Romans, we're told in 164 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.319 Psalm nineteen creation bears witness to the Creator. 165 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.839 And it does so with enough specificity to get you 166 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.639 to Christianity. Weird then, that no culture has ever developed 167 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.120 Christianity prior to their contact with Christian missionaries, unless you're 168 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.800 pivoting to arguing for a deistic God, in which case 169 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.000 the argument boils down to So I have a hard 170 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:02.839 time with the concept that the cause of the universe 171 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:05.560 wasn't directed by a thinking being of some kind. Therefore, 172 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.000 there was a thinking being of some kind. If that's 173 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.439 the route you want to take, then fine, But look 174 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.319 at the Trees doesn't prove Christianity. And given that, scientifically speaking, 175 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.399 cosmologists don't seem to be arguing on the pro God side, 176 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.839 I'm gonna say that look at the Trees is at 177 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:21.199 best inconclusive. 178 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.360 We're told that the conscience and the law is written 179 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.199 onto our hearts. 180 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.639 And yet when we examine hearts under a microscope, it 181 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.399 seems to be just muscle and connective tissue. Okay, I 182 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.519 guess that was maybe a touch too literal, although having 183 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.039 it literally written there would be some pretty neat evidence 184 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.200 for God and definitely would have been within his ability 185 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.799 to do. But what that typically means is that we 186 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.360 all agree on morality. Therefore God is the source of 187 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.120 our morality, except for when we don't agree on morality, 188 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.600 in which case that's because of the fall. Now can 189 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.840 you see how it might not be entirely convincing to 190 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.720 a non believer if the argument is everyone agrees except 191 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.120 when they don't, and both are proof of my thing. 192 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.639 And again those provide evidences of a creator. 193 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:05.519 Eh. 194 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.840 But it's not good evidence though, is it? 195 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:08.799 At best? 196 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.320 It's ambiguous? If it weren't ambiguous, you wouldn't need faith. 197 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.240 Hence blind faith the convictions of things not seen. 198 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.639 How blind faith works is non existence. You put faith 199 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.360 in something that you can't see, you don't have evidence for, 200 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.360 and I don't believe that's the God of Christian Scripture. 201 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.159 Okay, let me repeat what he just said so that 202 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:33.919 we can all make sure that we heard it right. 203 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.639 How blind faith works is non existence. You put faith 204 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.720 in something that you can't see, you don't have evidence for, 205 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.559 and I don't believe that's the God of Christian Scripture. Guys, 206 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.120 I must admit I'm at a loss here. I don't 207 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.320 even know what he's trying to say. Is he saying 208 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.360 that belief in the non existence of God is what 209 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.080 actually takes blind faith? If so, then I get why 210 00:09:58.120 --> 00:09:59.960 he has atheist telling him he's got the burden of 211 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.039 proof backward. I don't have blind faith in the non 212 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.960 existence of the God of Christian Scripture. I just don't 213 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.360 have faith that the God of Christian Scripture is a 214 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.679 real thing that exists. So that comes back around to 215 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.759 you wanting to convince me that you are right, and 216 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.080 me not really caring one way or the other. But 217 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.440 that was also just me trying to understand an apparently 218 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.120 nonsensical statement. So I could be wrong here. If you 219 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:25.919 think you know what he was talking about, feel free 220 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.879 to translate it for me down in the comments. Engagement 221 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:36.399 bait achieved, lampshading achieved. 222 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:43.080 Matter of fact, with evidence, we have the same evidence. 223 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.720 We have creation, We have the conscience. 224 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:50.399 The abstract concepts of thought and love and things like that. 225 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.159 All of those things have scientific explanations that do not 226 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:58.519 require a God. Sure, having a scientific explanation for something 227 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.360 does not prove that there is no God, but the 228 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.440 fact that they can be explained without God suggest to 229 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.240 me that they aren't actually evidence for God. 230 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:13.000 So we take these evidences it's called circumstantial evidence indirect evidence, 231 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.679 and we find out through abductive reasoning which is most 232 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:22.039 reasonable to attribute this to a God or to material 233 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.039 or naturalistic explanations. 234 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.759 Abductive reasoning is when you reach a conclusion based on 235 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.240 premisses that are deemed to be more probable than not. 236 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.600 The way you solve a wordle puzzle is with abductive reasoning. 237 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.440 The thing about abductive reasoning, though, is that it can 238 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.840 be true that a premise is more likely than not, 239 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.039 but still wrong. So, to use the word example, you 240 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:42.559 could start out with a word that has an E 241 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.679 in it on the grounds that E is the most 242 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.000 common letter in the English language and so you are 243 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.159 more likely to at least get one green or yellow 244 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.600 letter on the first try. But if the word that 245 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:55.039 day is trail and you guessed evoke, then you'd be 246 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.159 left with entirely wrong letters despite you getting two ease 247 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.759 in there for good measure. Using abductive reasoning, one of 248 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.159 the key tools is Aukham's raiser, the idea that the 249 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.519 hypothesis that requires the fuse assumptions or entities is the 250 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.000 most likely, all else being equal. Now, when using nature 251 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:14.320 as evidence for God, we both have the same evidence. 252 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.960 So which explanation requires the fuse assumptions or entities the 253 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.120 one that doesn't have a God? Does this automatically mean 254 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.399 it is correct? No, but it does mean that abductive 255 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.320 reasoning can get you to either conclusion, and in my opinion, 256 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:29.799 the version of it that you use to get to 257 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.879 atheism seems more plausible than the one that leads to God. 258 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.279 At the end of the day, you got to answer 259 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:40.240 yourself one question, did mind come from? Matter or did 260 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.120 matter come from mind? 261 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:47.679 What is mind? No matter? What is matter? Never mind? 262 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.240 Mind came from matter. Brains exist and are made of matter. 263 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.399 Changes to the brain result in predictable changes to the mind, 264 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.919 indicating that the mind is dependent on the matter of 265 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.840 the brain rather than the other way around. There is 266 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.000 nothing that I've seen that indicates a mind without a 267 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:05.960 brain is even possible, So I find it incredibly hard 268 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.840 to believe that the most complicated mind in the cosmos 269 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.000 exists independently of any matter. 270 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.320 The third thing, please stop denying the fact that you 271 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.120 have a worldview. 272 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.720 Okay, I know of zero atheists who think that they 273 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.720 do not have a worldview. What we will deny is 274 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:26.519 that atheism is that worldview. Atheism can certainly inform your worldview, 275 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.039 but atheism is merely an answer to the question do 276 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.320 you believe in God? Now? Because people who believe in 277 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.000 God also have beliefs about things this God wants us 278 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:37.559 to do or not do. Being an atheist means that 279 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:40.000 we don't have to spend any mental energy wondering if 280 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.240 our invisible friend is upset at us for failing to 281 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:45.200 follow one of their arbitrary rules. So when forming our 282 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.399 worldview that will likely have an impact. But apologists will 283 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.759 treat atheists as a monolith and then talk about how 284 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.600 harmful the atheist worldview is when atheism is not in 285 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.200 and of itself a worldview. 286 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.200 If you were an atheist, you may not have what's 287 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.000 called an atheist worldview, and I understand that. But you 288 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:05.480 do hold to a secular worldview, one that is not 289 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.279 of God and does not have God in it at all. 290 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.559 So you're asking atheists to stop saying a thing that 291 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.600 atheists don't say, and that you acknowledge that atheists don't say. 292 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.200 As to the secular worldview, all secular really means is 293 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.240 not religious. Now, sure, that would include the I don't 294 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.039 feel obligated to follow all the arbitrary religious rules thing, 295 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.279 but that also includes everything you do in your life 296 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.840 that has nothing to do with religion. Most of a 297 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.200 religious person's life is secular. It doesn't matter how devout 298 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.600 you are. You aren't having a prayer session about every 299 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.919 product you buy at the grocery store. You don't ask 300 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.480 God which direction to turn to every intersection when you 301 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.120 know where you're going. You don't sing worship songs as 302 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.840 you wipe your ass. Well, I mean, maybe you do, 303 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.080 and that's okay, I won't judge. The point is, secular 304 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.360 isn't really a worldview either. It's just everything you do 305 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.320 that's not religious. Again, though being an atheist can certainly 306 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.200 inform your worldview, an atheist is less likely to think 307 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.559 that sex outside of me is bad, for instance, but 308 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.440 that is not the whole of the worldview. 309 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.320 With this worldview, it is not tenable. It is not 310 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:12.320 liveable in society because it breeds subjectivity in relativism. 311 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.480 See, and that's where you lose us. It's not just hey, 312 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:17.480 you guys have a different worldview and I think that 313 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.600 might be bad. It's you guys have a different worldview, 314 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.000 and you having a different worldview will end civilization as 315 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.960 we know it. I actually think this one should be flipped. 316 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.360 It's not the atheists that should stop saying they don't 317 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.080 have a worldview. It's that Christians should stop using the 318 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.960 supposed consequences of the atheist worldview as an argument for Christianity. 319 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.879 I mean, right from the gate, it's an argument from consequences. 320 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.960 I don't like what an atheist world looks like. Therefore God, 321 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.639 but also the supposed consequences of a secular society are 322 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.879 just wrong. It turns out highly secular countries tend to 323 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.159 also be much happier ones. Now, does this mean that 324 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:57.440 being secular causes society to be happier. No, this is 325 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.679 a correlation. There isn't enough information to make a causal 326 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:02.480 link at the time. But you say that being secular 327 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.960 leads to all of these horrible outcomes when reality shows 328 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.519 that to be false. At the very least, we have 329 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.399 enough information to say that being secular will not cause 330 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.799 society to descend into chaos. What it really looks like 331 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.559 is that countries with high levels of individual freedom combined 332 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.759 with a strong social safety net are the ones that 333 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.840 wind up being happier. So China, highly secular, is also 334 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:25.840 kind of mid when it comes to happiness and is 335 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.519 pretty low when it comes to freedom. Finland, though, gets 336 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.879 the number one spot for both freedom and happiness, and 337 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.720 is also a very secular country, with only thirty three 338 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.919 percent of fin stating that they believe there is a God, 339 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.120 forty two percent say that there's some sort of spirit 340 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.039 or life force, and twenty two percent say that they 341 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.720 don't believe in any of that. So it looks like 342 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.240 the combination of freedom and a social safety net are 343 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.759 the main things that lead to a happy society. It 344 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.759 just so happens that a secular society is more likely 345 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:52.879 to allow for freedom and a social safety net than 346 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.240 a religious one. Now, if I were at a hazard 347 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.639 to guess, I would suggest that there is a causal 348 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.559 link between a highly religious country and one that is 349 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.960 likely to restrict personal freedoms. God says you can't be gay, 350 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.599 so we can't allow gay marriage. God says, no sex 351 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:08.759 outside of marriage, so there's no need for sex said, 352 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.960 and contraceptives encourage fornication, so we'd best restrict those while 353 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.279 we're at it. And the Bible says that anyone who 354 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.440 looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery 355 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.640 in their heart, and that we shouldn't place a stumbling 356 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.359 block before a fellow believer. So I guess all the 357 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.240 women have to be completely covered up. Religion, with its 358 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.920 arbitrary rules, leads to a less free society. A less 359 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.160 free society is a less happy society. Air go, A 360 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:34.920 secular society is more likely to be a happy one. 361 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.960 It doesn't show sacredness of human life. 362 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.000 I know that's a dog whistle for abortion. Which ties 363 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.839 back to the freedom thing. If a woman is forced 364 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.920 to have an unplanned kid, that will drastically reshape her life, 365 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.279 so taking that choice away from them necessarily restricts their freedom. 366 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.440 But if we actually want to look at the sanctity 367 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.960 of life, how about we look at what happens to prisoners. 368 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.960 The United States has the fifth highest incarceration rate in 369 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.920 the world, will Finland is chilling down at number one ninety, 370 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.039 the twenty seventh lowest in the world. The prison system 371 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.200 in Finland focuses on rehabilitation, figure out what went wrong 372 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.319 in a person's life that led them to crime and 373 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.039 fix it. The prison system in the United States focuses 374 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.759 on retribution. This person did a bad thing, so they 375 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.480 must be punished for it. As a result, the United 376 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.839 States forces people, many of whom are guilty of non 377 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:21.559 violent crimes that were committed out of desperation, to give 378 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.519 up large portions of their life, being locked away forced 379 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.799 into slave labor in many cases, while in Finland they 380 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.160 are treated as people who need help and just by 381 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.880 virtue of being living human beings, they are entitled to 382 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.400 a certain amount of dignity. I feel like helping prisoners 383 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.400 escape a life of crime in order that they might 384 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.720 live normal lives. Respects the sanctity of life more than 385 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.839 they did bad thing once got to lock them up. 386 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:48.000 Does like the Christian worldview? Does that God created us, 387 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.160 me and you in his image. There's a sacredness, there's 388 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:53.720 a sanctity of life. 389 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:59.359 There's a sanctity of life exclusively for fetuses. Once it's 390 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.279 an actual living person, they have to fend for themselves. 391 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.920 How dare you suggest we give kids free lunches at school, 392 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:08.039 or provide resources for single parents, or hell, even just 393 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.240 providing basic health care for people. Finland has socialized health care, 394 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.640 but you know, forget about that for a moment. I 395 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.839 live in Canada. We also have socialized health care. Recently, 396 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:19.480 one of my kids was that a summer camp and 397 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.079 the counselor thought that they had a seizure. An ambulance 398 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:23.960 was called, a day was spent at the hospital and 399 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.519 a follow up appointment with pediatrician was arranged. The kid 400 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:28.559 is okay. We're not sure exactly what happened that made 401 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:30.279