WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:04.839 What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:08.400 the morning update, we were talking about Brian Koberger and 3 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:13.400 his dad driving cross country from Idaho back to their 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:17.920 home state of Pennsylvania, and the Dailymail dot Com has 5 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:20.519 an article giving us a little more context on this. 6 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:22.719 So I thought it would be a good idea to 7 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.920 add this to the catalog as well, because you know, 8 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.760 the questions are already coming, and while there's no evidence 9 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:33.759 that his father knew anything about these murders, it's certainly 10 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.119 something people are going to wonder and it's going to 11 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:39.560 be a question that's asked by the police as well. Remember, 12 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.079 the police are going to look at the whole entire 13 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.840 scenario and they're going to do their investigation to see 14 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.159 if anyone might have aided and abetted this dude, helped 15 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.359 them out after the fact and all of that jazz. Now, 16 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.039 to be very clear, there is no evidence whatsoever to 17 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.200 say that anyone else was involved here with these murders, 18 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.200 and I certainly haven't seen any evidence that would lead 19 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.760 me to believe that his father knew what was up. 20 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:07.319 But I think it's pretty interesting that they would have 21 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.079 this cross country drive in the middle of the winter, 22 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:14.239 and was it out of the blue? Was it planned previously? 23 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.319 These are all of the details and all of the 24 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:19.680 context that we need so that we can fully understand 25 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:22.439 what went down here, because if you let your mind 26 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.799 run crazy, you can come up with all kinds of scenarios. Right, Oh, 27 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:28.480 the dad was involved, he knew all about it, But 28 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:31.519 the fact is, we just don't know yet, and it's 29 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.120 looking like, at the very least in the prelimbs here 30 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:36.719 that the family had no idea what this dude was 31 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.400 up to. So we'll have to see how this all evolves. 32 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:43.599 And again, folks, remember this is a story that is 33 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:47.799 going to evolve and move different ways several different times. 34 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.799 Before we even get to the trial, we only know 35 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.879 just a very basic idea of even what happened here. 36 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.120 So it's going to be real interesting when a lot 37 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.640 of these pieces start to fall into play and we 38 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:04.480 start to see things in HD. So until then, we're 39 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.519 going to keep adding these articles to the catalog and 40 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.360 try and find some clarity and try and find a 41 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.360 bit of context. Today we're going to do that with 42 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:18.520 an article from the Daily Mail, headline revealed Idaho suspect's 43 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.680 father flew to Washington State to a company killer's son 44 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:25.240 on two thousand mile cross country road trip back home 45 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:29.639 to Pennsylvania in his white Honda A Lantra. This article 46 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:35.159 was authored by Vanessa Serna. The father of the University 47 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.919 of Idaho murder suspect flew from Pennsylvania to Washington to 48 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.080 accompany his son on a cross country road trip weeks 49 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.360 after the quadruple homicide. Now again, I'm gonna need to 50 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.400 know more about this. Was it spur of the moment? 51 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.560 Did they have this planned? I think all of that matters, right. 52 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.719 If it was spur of the moment, then it definitely 53 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.400 looks suspect to me. Why would a twenty eight year 54 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.879 old man call his dad and say to him, hey, dad, 55 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.879 can you fly out here to Washington or Idaho and 56 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.000 then we can drive back to Pennsylvania together. That doesn't 57 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.800 make a lot of sense to me. So if this 58 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.960 wasn't planned, then we'll have to revisit, perhaps you know, 59 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.479 all of the other details surrounding this to try and 60 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:17.080 get a better picture of what went down. Brian Coberger's 61 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.840 public defender revealed that the twenty eight year old PhD 62 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.840 student at Washington State University in Pullman didn't make the 63 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.199 two thousand mile journey back to his family's home alone. 64 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.159 Coburger was spotted with his father in the white HONDEI 65 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.520 Alantra police were on the hunt for, including at a 66 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:39.520 car maintenance shop in Pennsylvania on December sixteenth. So obviously, 67 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.199 at this point everybody in the world who was paying 68 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.000 attention knew that a Hondei Alantra was the car being 69 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.919 looked for. Now, I don't want to make a leap 70 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.000 and say that Brian Coberger's family knew what was going 71 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:54.639 on out in Idaho and knew that people were looking 72 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.479 for an Lantra, because I don't know that for sure, 73 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.520 but using hindsight as our guy here, it certainly looks 74 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:04.759 pretty bad. Not only do you drive a cross country 75 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.639 but then you know that this Hondai Alantra, meaning Brian 76 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.560 Coberger at this point knows that everybody's looking for that 77 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.719 white Hondai Alantra and still has the audacity to have 78 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.720 his pops fly across country and then drive back with 79 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.600 them in that same car. You have to be a 80 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.800 pretty sick and demented person to even think about doing 81 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.720 something like that, involving your father in something as horrendous 82 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:33.120 as this. He was home for the holidays. Public defender 83 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.240 Jason Lebar told CNN, well, I'm glad he enjoyed his 84 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:44.040 holidays because guess who didn't have any holidays to enjoy Ethan, Zana, Madison, 85 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:48.000 and Kaylee. And according to the authorities, the reason why 86 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.920 they didn't have holidays is because Brian Coburger murdered them. 87 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.639 The suspected killer was arrested on Friday after a more 88 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.279 than a month long man hunt for the murderer behind 89 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.319 the brutal death of Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Zana Kernodle, 90 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.560 and Madison Mogan. Coburger is accused of breaking into the 91 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.680 home of the four students off campus and stabbing them 92 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.680 to death in their beds on November thirteenth. He is 93 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.759 currently behind bars in Pennsylvania and is currently waiting to 94 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.360 be extradited to Idaho in hopes of being exonerated on 95 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.920 these charges. Lebar told the Idaho Statesman. Labar is preparing 96 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:29.240 for Coburger to arrive back in Idaho and has already 97 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:34.600 requested he receive a public defender immediately. Coburger may possibly 98 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.120 face the death penalty in the state, which his family 99 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.879 can't afford to hire an attorney to fight. Hey, look, 100 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:43.399 if you don't want to have to face the death penalty, 101 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.600 I have some really good advice for you. Don't murder people, 102 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.600 and then you have nothing to worry about. And we're 103 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:51.879 seeing the same thing down in Delphi, by the way, 104 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.160 where the suspect, Richard Allen, doesn't have the money to 105 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.680 pay for a defense lawyer, so he has to have 106 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.000 a public defender appointed for him. It is not chief 107 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.680 to hire a lawyer under any circumstances. Never mind, if 108 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.879 you're trying to defend yourself in a capital murder case, 109 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:10.920 it's gonna cost a lot of money. You're gonna need experts. 110 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.959 You're gonna need all kinds of outside help. And that's 111 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.800 not free. What because you're on trial, people are gonna 112 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.279 help you for free. That's not how it works. So 113 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.800 your lawyer has to pay all of these experts to 114 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.319 come and challenge what the prosecution is gonna bring to 115 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.319 the table. And if you don't have the money to 116 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.480 do that, forget it. You're in big trouble. So what's 117 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.680 gonna happen is he'll be appointed a lawyer from the 118 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:37.240 state in Idaho, and then they'll also be appointed funds 119 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:42.759 to help with their defense of Brian Cohberger. He does 120 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.439 not have the funding to get a private attorney, Lebar said. 121 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.519 Surveillance footage on the night of the slayings showed a 122 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.839 white Hondai a Lantra nearby the home around the time 123 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.439 the murders occurred at around three am. Police believe it 124 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.879 belonged to Coburger. The PhD student had driven the car 125 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.680 back to Pennsylvania, where police recovered it at his parents' home. 126 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:07.839 An unidentified person at the car shop confirmed Coburger was 127 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.079 getting maintenance done on his car with his father after 128 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.959 the trip. According to the source, Coburger's father was bragging 129 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.399 about flying out to the West Coast to join his 130 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.439 son on his trip home for the holidays, and recall 131 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.839 the twenty eight year old as being reserved. It is 132 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.600 unclear if Coburger's father knew about the murders. He filed 133 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:32.240 for bankruptcy in twenty ten. Now again, look, I don't 134 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.600 know one way or the other if the parents knew 135 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.879 or not. I wasn't there, and I'm certainly not an investigator. 136 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:40.600 So all we can go on is charges that are 137 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.319 filed or what we're hearing from sources close to the situation, 138 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.160 and so far I haven't heard anything about, you know, 139 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:52.240 the dad knowing previously or being involved or anything like that. 140 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.279 But it is an evolving story and we're getting more 141 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.439 information literally by the minute at this point, so who 142 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.439 the hell knows which way it's going to turn. Coburger's 143 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.319 family addressed the charges on Sunday and ask for people 144 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.399 to refrain from judgment. We will continue to let the 145 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.439 legal process unfold, and as a family, we will love 146 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:16.839 and support our son and brother, the family wrote in 147 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.519 a statement obtained by TMZ. First and foremost, we care 148 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.879 deeply for the families who have lost their precious children. 149 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:27.199 There are no words that can adequately express the sadness 150 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.680 we feel, and we pray each day for them. The 151 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.759 statement read, in part, we have fully cooperated with law 152 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.799 enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and 153 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:40.720 promote his presumption of innocence, rather than judge unknown facts 154 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:45.919 and make erroneous assumptions. Coburger's family ask for privacy during 155 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.919 this time as they cooperate with law enforcement to get 156 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.120 to the bottom of the case. We respect privacy in 157 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.519 this matter as our family and the family suffering loss 158 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:59.399 can move forward through the legal process. So they're doing 159 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.879 what anyone wants would do when it comes to their kids. 160 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:04.600 They don't want to believe that their son's a brutal 161 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:08.039 murderer who killed four college kids in their beds while 162 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:11.679 they were sleeping. So until they have some evidence of that, 163 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:14.480 my guess is they're going to defend their son, and 164 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.440 some people, even if they have that evidence, will continue 165 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.679 to defend their children. Police said they began tracking and 166 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.200 surveilling Coburger around Christmas and stayed on him for four 167 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.840 days when they spotted the white Hondaei, a lantra they 168 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.480 believe was connected to the murders. Friday's arrest is the 169 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.759 first major break in the case, with Coburger asking if 170 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.720 anyone else was arrested when he was taken into custody. 171 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.759 An extradition hearing is scheduled for Tuesday. Now, maybe he 172 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.080 was saying, were my parents arrested because I was at 173 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.559 their house where they arrested for aiding and abetting me 174 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.720 something like that, or some people are thinking or saying 175 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.440 he might have had an accomplice. Now we know, we've 176 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.080 heard from the police that they don't believe there was 177 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:58.720 an accomplice, and for my money, I think he's just 178 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:03.840 muddying the waters and trying to create some reasonable doubt 179 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:08.960 for himself. Law enforcement officers told CNN that his DNA 180 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.679 was discovered at the scene of the crime, with officers 181 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.200 managing to track down who owned the car seen in 182 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.480 the area of the slayings. However, Coberger has no prior 183 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.000 arrests according to public records, so it's unclear how officials 184 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:25.240 got hold of his DNA. You know, they were following him, 185 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.919 you know, they were surveilling him across the country. All 186 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.399 he has to do is slip up once a cigarette, 187 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:34.399 a cup, anything, and the police can get that evidence 188 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.919 that you might have dropped or put in your trash, 189 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.559 and they can use that to collect your DNA from it. 190 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.720 And while I don't have the evidence to show you 191 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.200 to say that's what they did here, that's my guess. 192 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.120 That's how they found the evidence, collected it from something 193 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.639 he discarded, something that he might have owned previously, and 194 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.279 they used that to run the evidence, the DNA that 195 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.440 they found at the scene against his DNA and they 196 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:02.759 got the match. Again. Just my speculation, But that's how 197 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.639 I think this all broke down and how they were 198 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:11.159 led to this man. Coburger was allegedly stalking the students 199 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.919 in the weeks leading up to the murders. Moscow Chief 200 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.600 of Police James Fry refused to rule out that the 201 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.799 killer had an accomplice. Details of the killings and the 202 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:22.159 motive for them are yet to be released, with law 203 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:25.919 enforcement saying a sealed arrest AFFID David, will be released 204 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.799 once Coburger is extradited back to Idaho, And now there's 205 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.360 some people saying that that might happen Tuesday night. Even so, 206 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:36.080 if that's the case, we might have access to these 207 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.720 charging documents and the arrest AFFID David a lot sooner 208 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:44.200 than we thought. So there it is, folks. Brian Cohberger 209 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.799 drove cross country with his father in the wake of 210 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.120 these killings, and they drove cross country in the white 211 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:55.000 Alantra that led the police directly to their doorstep and 212 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:59.559 to the man they suspect murdered four college students in 213 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.720 their beds. All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for 214 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:04.960 this one. If you'd like to contact me, you can 215 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.840 do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's 216 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:14.320 Bo Bby c apu Cci at proton mail dot com. 217 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:18.480 You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore 218 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.360 c ap u Cci. The link that I discussed can 219 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.399 be found in the description box one and Welcome back 220 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.120 to the program. In this episode, we're gonna hear from 221 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:36.080 a reporter who retraced Brian Koberger's alleged steps from the 222 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.799 early morning hours when these murders occurred all the way 223 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.759 through his trip back home to Pullman, and to say 224 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:48.000 the route he took was interesting would be quite the understatement. 225 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.600 So let's dive into this article from the Daily Mail 226 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:57.240 and let's see what they found out. Headline exclusive Dailymail 227 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.279 dot Com retrace his route cops claim Idaho murder suspect 228 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.120 Brian Koeberger took on the night four students were stabbed 229 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:12.120 to death. This article was authored by Caitlin Becker. The 230 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.240 route allegedly driven by Brian Cooeberger on the night of 231 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.279 the brutal Idaho murders may be a crucial piece of 232 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:21.279 evidence in the state's case against the twenty eight year 233 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.120 old suspect, who is facing four counts of first degree murder. 234 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:30.000 Dailymail dot Com recently took the circuitous drive to get 235 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:34.240 a clearer picture of Coburger's alleged movements on November thirteenth, 236 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:39.279 the night he's accused of murdering students Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, 237 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:44.200 Ethan Chapin, and Xanna Kernodle. In the probable cause AFFI 238 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:48.559 David filed on December twenty ninth, Corporal Brett Payne laid 239 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.480 out how investigators believe the alleged killer traveled the roughly 240 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.000 ten miles from his Pullman, Washington apartment to the home 241 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.320 in Moscow, Idaho, and subsequently fled the scene after the 242 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.960 brutal slayings. And if you take a look at the 243 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.000 way he went, the route that he took. When he 244 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:10.600 was leaving, he had ample opportunity to get rid of 245 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:14.120 all of the evidence that he might have had on him, 246 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.840 you know, clothes, the knife, who knows what he was wearing, 247 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:21.840 a tiebex suit, whatever. But on this journey home, he 248 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.960 had plenty of opportunities to get rid of this stuff. 249 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.879 And we've talked about this a little bit previously, and 250 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.120 mainly we were talking about the knife and how I 251 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.720 don't believe that he still has it in his possession. 252 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.519 I think he got rid of it right after these murders. 253 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:42.320 And on this drive home, Pain combined cell phone data 254 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:47.720 from Coburger's number and CCTV footage of multiple sightings of 255 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.080 the suspects white Hondai a Lantra to stitch together a 256 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:56.000 fairly tight timeline surrounding the stabbing deaths. And the timeline 257 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.320 is pretty tight. What they presented to us is pretty 258 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.840 strong evidence as far as circumstantial evidence goes. What we 259 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:09.519 have presented to us is pretty strong. Of everything presented 260 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.039 to us, I find the cell phone towers to be 261 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.919 the weakest though, because they do pick things up from 262 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.279 all over the place if you're in a certain vicinity. 263 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:22.440 That's why I think they also have his GPS coordinates, 264 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.759 and I think that's what they're gonna end up using 265 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:29.360 to sync this dude, because once you have those GPS 266 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.759 coordinates that are putting him not near the Moscow home, 267 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.480 but inside of the Moscow home, along with all of 268 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.840 the DNA data and evidence that they say they have, 269 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:43.559 and it's going to be a rap for Brian Koberger. 270 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:47.080 At that point, you can argue the pings. You can 271 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.799 argue a lot of things, but you're not gonna argue 272 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.519 the DNA. Once that DNA puts in there, and there's 273 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.360 all of these other tying factors that glue it all 274 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.759 together and wrap it up in a nice little bow, 275 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.159 it's going to be very, very difficult to dispute all 276 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.440 of that in the totality of the way it's presented. 277 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.039 But on their own, the cell phone towers, in my opinion, 278 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.200 are easily disputable. The first thing that sticks out while 279 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.080 driving the route is that it is not an efficient 280 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.840 or direct drive from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene 281 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.159 and contains an out of the way detour as well 282 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:30.639 as dangerous roundabout ride home. According to police, Coburger's phone 283 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:34.799 went off the grid at approximately two forty five am 284 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:40.159 near his Pullman Washington University apartment, located just before the 285 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.600 Pullman Moscow Highway Route two seventy, the main thoroughfare between 286 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.799 the two cities. So what they're alleging is he turned 287 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.840 his phone off so he can go and commit these crimes. Again, circumstantial, 288 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:54.360 and they're going to have to prove it, and the 289 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.159 way they're going to do that is using the totality 290 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.759 of all of this evidence that they've collected. Investigator surmised 291 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.400 that Coburger turned his phone off or put it on 292 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:09.559 airplane mode to conceal his location during the quadruple homicide 293 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.880 that occurred at the King Road residence. Per the Affidavid. 294 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:18.599 When Coburger's vehicle is then allegedly spotted via CCTV at 295 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.119 three twenty six am, it's on the seven hundred block 296 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.799 of Indian Hills Drive and out of the way street 297 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:29.160 in a small residential enclave of nicely manicured single family 298 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.880 homes in Moscow, Idaho. So what was he doing there? 299 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.079 I guess he could try and explain it by saying 300 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:39.480 he was having a drive, clearing his head, he had 301 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:42.839 a rough day, wanted to listen to some music. Oh, 302 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.000 I have a great audiobook and I'm listening to that. 303 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.599 But when you have everything else stacked against you, those 304 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:54.160 excuses seem to be a bit ridiculous, right. Imagine sitting 305 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:57.000 on a jury and hearing all of the evidence compiled 306 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.799 by the prosecution, and then when the defense has asked 307 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.039 what your client was doing there, and they respond with 308 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.119 something like, Oh, my client was hanging out listening to 309 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.519 The Hunger Games on audiobook. You really think the Jerry's 310 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:13.880 going to buy that with all of the other evidence 311 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:18.720 that has been presented to them. Coburger didn't linger in 312 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.000 the area long or appear to make any stops on 313 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.400 Indian Hills Drive, and according to the timeline from police, 314 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.559 his car is then picked up just two minutes later, 315 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.119 leaving the neighborhood. So what were you doing there? Why 316 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.200 were you there? Just a couple of basic questions him 317 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.599 and his defense team are going to have to answer. 318 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.119 From there, Coburger's vehicle allegedly makes its way to the 319 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:48.599 victim's home. The residential off campus neighborhood where victims Xana, Ethan, Maddie, 320 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.519 and kay Lee were brutally stabbed to death, surrounded by 321 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:56.759 several other single family homes in very close proximity, as 322 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.759 well as a small apartment complex with a parking lot 323 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.359 that butts up against the back of the victim's rental property. 324 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:05.839 And I always thought that that would be the perfect 325 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:08.720 place for somebody to case this out. If you're going 326 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.680 to be some kind of sicko, some kind of peeping tom, 327 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.240 you want to have some kind of privacy for yourself 328 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:18.400 as you're engaging in your sick ass voyeuristic nonsense, right. 329 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.880 So in the back there a little area where it's 330 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.759 kind of blocked off from traffic, a bit unassuming. Sounds 331 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:30.279 like it was tailor made for some sick ass creeper. 332 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.200 As seen indelimail dot COM's exclusive video. The roads around 333 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.799 the home are tight, two cars can't pass comfortably with 334 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.559 no easy exit point. Since it dead ends into a 335 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.960 parking lot, it is not a convenient or easy area 336 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.319 to cruise around, and police noted a very limited number 337 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.559 of vehicles that travel in the area during the early 338 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:54.480 morning hours. Now, why would you be over there unless 339 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:58.000 you're a resident visiting a resident, working for a delivery 340 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:02.680 service and maybe utilities or something. But besides that, what 341 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.240 are you doing creeping around in people's neighborhoods in the 342 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:11.400 early morning hours. Keeping with the police timeline, the suspects 343 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.599 car is then seen near the home around three thirty am, 344 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.400 when all of the roommates as well as Ethan Chapin, 345 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.880 would have been inside for the night. It is around 346 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:24.839 then that Coburger's car has spotted allegedly casing the house 347 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.039 by driving past it three times over the course of 348 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.039 thirty minutes. Now what the hell was he doing for 349 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:34.000 those thirty minutes driving back and forth? You want to 350 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.599 talk about creepy? Can you imagine what was racing through 351 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.359 this six son of a Bitch's mind. When he exits 352 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.119 the street, he does so via Wollenta drive, which offers 353 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.720 a direct line of sight into the back of the home. 354 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.400 Many people have asked how the perpetrator knew the roommates 355 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.119 were asleep, and this movement on the timeline may answer that. 356 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.559 So if we're to believe the timeline that has been 357 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:01.400 put out for us, that means he was doing this 358 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:06.400 for months in advance, casing this place, following their movements, 359 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.359 what their nighttime habits were like, and building a blueprint 360 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.680 in his mind or maybe in his notes even about 361 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.160 when the best time would be for him to carry 362 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:21.799 out his disgusting, gross ass fantasies. The vantage point here 363 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.839 would show if any lights were on, indicating that someone 364 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.559 may be awake in the kitchen, as well as the 365 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:31.680 three bedrooms facing the back belonging to Kaylee Maddie and 366 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.799 survivor Dylan Mortensen. And in the picture here in the link, 367 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.359 you can see where the car would be parked, and 368 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.279 how he has access to all of the windows, and 369 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.839 obviously you could tell if there's lights on or if 370 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:47.920 somebody's walking around, meandering or whatever. And this is a 371 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.839 great place if you're trying to case the joint, to 372 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:55.640 sit and see what's going on. Continuing to follow the timeline, 373 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.240 Xana Kernodle gets a door dash delivery at four am. 374 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.920 Around four four am, Copsea Coburger does a fourth and 375 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.000 final pass in front of the house, making a three 376 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:11.440 point turn at the apartment complex next door. The apartment 377 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:14.680 parking lot loops around the complex and connects to the 378 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.880 victim's sparse wooded backyard, which is situated on a small 379 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.240 slope that leads to the patio and sliding glass door. 380 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.359 The slope from the parking lot to the home is 381 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:29.000 short but steep in some parts, but relatively easy terrain 382 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:33.200 on the side near Dylan Mortensen's second floor room. Deli 383 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.920 mail dot Com parked in one of the spots facing 384 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.400 the home and can see into all of the back 385 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:41.759 windows on the second and third floors. It would take 386 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.839 just a few moments from exiting the car to reach 387 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.240 the sliding glass doors the killers believed entry point, so 388 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:52.240 It's chilling to hear it all recreated right, and to 389 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.640 have the whole entire timeline put out for you and 390 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.039 laid out where he was at what he might have 391 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.160 been doing. It really puts things in perspective of how 392 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:06.279 much thought and premeditation. It looks like Brian Cohberger, who 393 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.079 the government alleges did this, put into this whole entire 394 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:15.880 disgusting escapade. The neighborhood is very compact, with dozens of 395 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.599 windows facing all sides of the home. It is known, 396 00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.559 based on the Affidavid, that dog barking, whimpering, and a 397 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.960 loud thud were picked up on a security camera nearest 398 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:31.279 Designa's room at four seventeen am. The barking is thought 399 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.160 to be from the dog Kaylee Gonsalvez shared with her 400 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.559 ex boyfriend, which was found unharmed the next day in 401 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.960