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Speaker 1: Welcome to Missing Persons case files A place where they're gone?

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Speaker 1: Are not the forgotten? What's happening in the forest of

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Speaker 1: North America? How are so many people disappearing only to

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Speaker 1: have the remains found much later, or, in many cases

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Speaker 1: not at all. Are the predators to blame giant hair

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Speaker 1: covered beasts or even more terrifying us as humans? Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's both, Maybe it's neither. These are just a few

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Speaker 1: of the questions we'll look to uncover here on the

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Speaker 1: missing person's case files.

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Speaker 2: Tom Messeix Senior birthday March fourteenth, nineteen thirty three disappeared

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Speaker 2: November fifteenth, twenty fifteen. On November fifteenth of twenty and fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Thomas Messick Senior, aged eighty two, an ex paratrooper, walked

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Speaker 2: to hunt for deer and was never seen again. No

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Speaker 2: sign of him or his belongings ever turned up, including

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Speaker 2: a rifle in walkie talkie, despite an extensive search of

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Speaker 2: the area. Unusually, the FBI was even involved in the investigation.

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Speaker 2: This is a strange and puzzling hunting disappearance. Tom lived

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Speaker 2: in the city of Troy in New York. State and

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Speaker 2: was out that Sunday with six friends and family members

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Speaker 2: who were hunting near Lily Pond, in an area of

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Speaker 2: state land that is part of the Lake George Wild Forest.

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Speaker 2: The older members of the group, four of them, were

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Speaker 2: watchers an a static position, sat on a log or

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Speaker 2: similar comfortable spot and were in a near vertical line,

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Speaker 2: whilst the younger hunters used the path around the lake

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Speaker 2: to drive the deer to the watchers as part of

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Speaker 2: the drive. Since the mid eighteen eighties, Brant Lake has

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Speaker 2: been a popular fishing and hunting area among wealthy visitors,

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Speaker 2: including Theodore Roosevelt. Brandt Lake Camp was incorporated by R. B. Gerstensang, J. E.

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Speaker 2: Everley and John F. Mulloy in nineteen seventeen. After fifty

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Speaker 2: five years of hunting with longtime friends, also senior men

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Speaker 2: at the Messex Hunting Camp in Hague, they decided to

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Speaker 3: Very first time.

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Speaker 2: Tom was supposed to stay in one spot as group

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Speaker 2: members walked through the woods to push deer toward him,

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Speaker 2: but when they arrived at where he was supposed to be,

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Speaker 2: No sign of any deer was found that day. He

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Speaker 2: wore duck boots, camoufaged pants and coat, gloves, and a

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Speaker 2: He carried a rifle and a walkie talkie. Tom served

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Speaker 2: in the US Army as a paratrooper with the eighty

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Speaker 2: second Airborne Division. He was five foot ten inches tall

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Speaker 2: and weighed approximately one hundred and sixty pounds. He was

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Speaker 2: an experienced hunter and woodsman, and taught hunter and survival

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Speaker 2: training for many years. He had a history of heart

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Speaker 2: problems and lost an eye in an accident with an

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Speaker 2: explosive device in his early twenties, so he had poor

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Speaker 2: vision and limited hearing, as well as one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: Nine stitches in his hand.

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Speaker 2: He had also just gotten over a case of shingles

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Speaker 2: He was last seen at ten am, when Messik did

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Speaker 2: not show up as he agreed upon. Tom his friends

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Speaker 2: called forest strangers and they searched from four thirty pm on.

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Speaker 2: It got dark around seven pm, and at that point

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Speaker 2: half the group stayed fired their rifles and honked the

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Speaker 2: car horns to attract time to the area. The remaining

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Speaker 3: The day after.

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Speaker 2: Tom had disappeared on November sixteenth. The search started with

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Speaker 2: thirteen trained search and rescue professionals from the Park Service.

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Speaker 3: It was well organized from the start.

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Speaker 2: A huge search over several weeks, involving more than three

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Speaker 2: hundred professionals and volunteers. On some days, as tested by dogs,

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Speaker 2: divers and several helicopters, found no clues, including no sign.

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Speaker 3: Of his rifle or his walkie talkie. More than four.

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Speaker 2: Square miles were searched, what a larger area being searched

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Speaker 2: State Police Aviation Unit. More than fifteen agencies were involved,

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Speaker 3: The rain arrived.

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Speaker 2: Searchers walked through the woods, including swamps, no matter how

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Speaker 2: It was described as a spiderwey of string in the forest.

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Speaker 2: Given his age, searches were baffled as he could not

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Speaker 3: Why were there no clues on the ground despite the

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, the FBI arrived on the fourth day, November nineteenth.

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Speaker 2: This was unusual as the FBI never usually gets involved

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Speaker 2: or it was believed a kidnapping was involved. Tom's wife, Beverly, said,

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Speaker 2: the FBI told me something isn't right with his case,

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Speaker 2: but they don't know what they won't share any theories

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Speaker 2: if they have them. The FBI said until they make

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Speaker 2: a discovery, they're never going to know, but subsequently, investigators

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Speaker 3: David Winchell, a spokesman.

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Speaker 2: For the dec said rangers continue to search the area

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Speaker 2: on a limited continuous basis since a wild wide scale

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Speaker 3: That means rangers check.

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Speaker 2: The area periodically for evidence or clues. Beverly said he'd

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Speaker 2: if he got lost, he would have cut a piece

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Speaker 2: of foul play. The only thing I can think of,

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Speaker 2: I keep praying they'll find him so we have some closure.

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Speaker 2: I keep worrying that I didn't tell him that I

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Speaker 2: loved him the last day I saw him alive. In

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Speaker 2: the summer of twenty eighteen, state police used sniffer dogs

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Speaker 2: John diet said no clues were found, but the police

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Speaker 2: investigation was ongoing. Tom's disappearance is yet another bizarre case.

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Speaker 2: Tom just vanished off the face of the planet. He

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Speaker 2: was elderly, but an experienced backwoodsman, a tough guy, an

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Speaker 2: Despite a massive search of the area, including all the

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Speaker 3: Including water in caves.

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Speaker 2: It was so big a search that locals thought someone

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Speaker 2: high profile or famous, like a politician, was involved. Sniffer

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Speaker 2: Was he snatched from Lake George Wilde Forrest by a

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Speaker 1: Tiffany, There's absolutely nothing about this case that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: nothing at all. This man who was in his eighties.

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Speaker 1: He was an elderly gentleman, but he was also the

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Speaker 1: definition of a badass. He had I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: I don't know what could have happened. The man had

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Speaker 1: He knew how to use them. He had a walkie

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Speaker 1: The comment that his wife made that she wishes or

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Speaker 1: she hopes that someone just came in with the quad

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Speaker 1: that she was afraid of something like that. There were

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Speaker 3: There was enough people in that woods they would have

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Speaker 1: They would have heard a yell for help. He could

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Speaker 1: have pushed a button, and as for help, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: This one has always baffled me. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: first ones that I heard years ago, when probably right

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Speaker 1: after I started looking into the whole Bigfoot heavily around

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. It was around that time, nineteen twenty that

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Speaker 1: and one from David Plattis And this one is always

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Speaker 1: stuck out to me for a few reasons. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what to make of this case.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's all the it's all strange to

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Speaker 2: me because they had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 3: Why did the FBI come in like it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's like it said in this article, they don't usually

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Speaker 3: And the grid search they did by.

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Speaker 2: Using strings and everything like that to ensure that all

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Speaker 3: No footprints, no clothing. He just vanished into thin air.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you look at everything that they deployed

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Speaker 2: for him. And I'm not saying it's wrong what they did,

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Speaker 2: because I'm glad that they did, But if they did

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Speaker 3: Have better outcomes for them. It's just strange.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: make of it. You guys, those of you that have

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Speaker 1: followed the channel or followed me, and since I started

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen with Manimal Research, those of you that

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Speaker 1: have been with me for a while have heard me

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Speaker 1: talk about the few times it's happened two or three

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Speaker 1: times now that I have been in the woods on

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Speaker 1: expeditions and heard this strange metallic sound, this kind of

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Speaker 1: a metal sound that just stands out because you're in

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Speaker 1: be any metal anywhere. And that's something that's always bothered me,

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Speaker 1: was the sound that either one or a couple I

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Speaker 1: don't remember exactly how many people heard it, and you

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Speaker 1: didn't talk about it in what you just covered, but

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Speaker 1: that sound of that metallic sound. Someone said it sounded

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Speaker 1: like a trapdoor slamming shut or an old car door

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Speaker 1: to me because I have heard similar sounds in the woods,

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Speaker 1: and it's been in areas where Bigfoot was brevalent right.

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Speaker 2: And the gentleman said, I heard a strange noise in

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Speaker 2: the woods, but I don't know what it was. It

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Speaker 2: was a different noise from what I usually hear. Well,

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Speaker 2: these people are in the woods all the time and

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Speaker 2: Well, and he had I think, or that wasn't the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean salthy they are, they are. And I

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at that animal mentality, look at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean possibly, I don't. It's weird, man, this case,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's one that I've known about for

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Speaker 1: Mess the case we need to do together, right instead

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Speaker 2: No, I would be interested, And I know they did

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Speaker 2: interview that one guy, David Polaitis did interview one member

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Speaker 3: But I would be interested in hearing from the.

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Speaker 2: Other people who were there and what their opinion of

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Speaker 2: everything is or sounds that they might have heard that

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Speaker 2: was similar to what this gentleman heard, because it's like

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Speaker 2: you said, you hear that that metallic sound anywhere where

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: It's like, does it just suck people up? Is there

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: That's I mean. When I first heard the person talk

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I saw it, and I can't remember, and

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Speaker 5: It wasn't expedition Bigfoot that I remember. If it was,

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Speaker 1: Damn, I don't remember that. I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: It's it's been a minute since i've seen it, but

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Speaker 3: Me wonder if, in fact, it is something like that.

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Speaker 2: The only reason they found it was that light oar

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know something about Yeah, you know something else,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany that I don't tend to give a whole lot

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Speaker 3: It happens, and.

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Speaker 2: You hear one minute gone the next I think, I

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Speaker 3: Because he was by himself. What if the metallic sound

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Speaker 2: And I know it's a stretch, I tell you how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean guys, we're not a couple of these

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Speaker 1: This man knew what he was doing. Like his wife said,

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Speaker 2: I just find them on the internet, make sure they're credible,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if if his family's trusting enough for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I got to feel, I feel with

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Speaker 1: So I think you can throw that out right. I

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Speaker 1: Because his son was one of the people that was

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Speaker 3: People have to take the information, and that's what Wayne

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Speaker 2: We take the information that we find that we're given

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Speaker 2: All of the logical stuff was done. They did all

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Speaker 1: Case that I mean that should be the head the

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Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense how he can just walk into

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Speaker 1: It just sucks too because you look at a picture

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Speaker 1: that we all have an image of a grandpa and

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Speaker 1: it's this dude. When you look at the picture of him,

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Speaker 1: he just looked like a good man that had lived

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Speaker 1: his life, served his country, had his wife, his kids,

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Speaker 1: his life, you know, doing what he loved, going out

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Speaker 1: with family, hunting and then just steps off the planet somehow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like he never existed.

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Speaker 1: It's not fair. The man deserves more than that.

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Speaker 3: It's not and I really wish that. You know, they

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Speaker 3: search the.

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Speaker 2: Water and the caves and the crevices. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: it's mind boggling because they literally searched everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they left no stone unturned.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I also explain it, but it's like, it's like Albert

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Speaker 3: Now, granted that I know of, they didn't he didn't have.

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Speaker 2: Anybody searching for him, but just as quickly as he

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Speaker 2: claimed to be picked up and thrown over the shoulder

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Speaker 2: in the sleeping bag, and he was gone for six days.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're stealthy, they're quiet, they're fast. It's hard

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Are there any other points

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Speaker 1: you want to hit on, Tiffany, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: beat a dead horse.

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Speaker 3: No, No, that was that was pretty much all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, this one is crazy, and of all the

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Speaker 1: ones that we've done so far, this one is the

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Speaker 1: one so far that I lean heavily on, more heavily

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Speaker 1: on a paranormal or a cryptid related disappearance. Yeah, me too,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys. If y'all have any suggestions, any cases

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Speaker 1: hit us up. You can get Tiffany at Tiffany at

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Speaker 4: Guys, they say you don't gotta go home, but you

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Speaker 4: can't stay. I don't wantapere ouppen.

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Speaker 6: Joy does chard that chid everything, Call it right back,

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Speaker 6: Pride that joy for me to stay.

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