WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.879 The poop is did the poop is singing with the 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.000 choir invisible the poop or the poop has both. The 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:13.519 farm is pushing up daisies, the poop is normal, and 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:17.160 there's a conspiracy theory that JD. Evans had everything to 5 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:17.719 do with it. 6 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:18.320 Did he? 7 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.399 We do not know. But Stephen is here to have 8 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:23.000 a gue at the story. 9 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:28.000 Stephen, thank you so much. Cynthia. Yes, Jessica Monopoly of 10 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:33.200 Reuter's reports that Pope Francis ten years Sorry, one moment, 11 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:37.399 we will know. 12 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:41.000 Right here to the editors edit. 13 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:43.799 Yeah, either that or I can do that whole The 14 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.000 Pope is dead all over again. I have no problem 15 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:47.759 with that. It was kind of fun. 16 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:53.520 Francis's ten years served to deepen. Okay, sorry, sorry for 17 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:55.719 blocking that and then having my kid walk in. 18 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.240 But you shall start from the beginning of a sentence. 19 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:03.399 Probably she had a cut, definitely, or did you want 20 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.599 me to start? Did you want me to start, Chris? 21 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.400 Or at the pope is dead. 22 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.120 If you want to do it again, I won't stop you. Otherwise, 23 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.319 Stephen can just take it from the receiving it getting 24 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:16.239 thrown to him, and he can just step from there. 25 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:19.519 I want to say the pope is dead again because you. 26 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.319 Got it. 27 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:31.439 All right. Uh, producer's privilege, You got it all right. 28 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:37.760 Here's are from the top. Segment one. Here we go, 29 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.840 uh this time for sure. Segment one coming at you 30 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:44.760 in five four three. 31 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.079 The poop is dead. The poop is singing with the 32 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.959 choir invisible. The poop has both the farm and it's 33 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.439 pushing up the daisies. The Pope is no more. And 34 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.200 do we may have a problem with the vice president 35 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:02.920 happened to do something with it? 36 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:03.640 We do not know. 37 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.680 It is conspiracy theory that is in the interwebs at 38 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.800 this particular moment in time, but we shall discuss it. 39 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:10.960 Seven has a story, Sevin. 40 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.639 Thank you so much, Cynthia. Yes. Jessica Dinopoly of Reuter's 41 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:18.919 reports that Pope Francis's tenure served to deepen divisions within 42 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:24.240 the Catholic Church. Many American Catholics, especially conservatives, turned against 43 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:30.000 his progressive stances on immigration, climate change, and LGBTQ plus inclusion, 44 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.319 favoring conservative Catholic media organizations instead. Danapoli says that this 45 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:39.520 pulled American Catholic identity closer to right wing politics and 46 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.840 pitted the Vatican's call for a more inclusive church against 47 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:47.960 the national push for stricter traditionalism. This story covered by 48 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:52.800 Jessica Dinopoli of Reuters on April twenty second, twenty twenty five. 49 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.319 Thank you seven, And I have new idea why I'm 50 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.360 still speaking like this, but I might do it for 51 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.120 the entire segment. So bear with me. If I go 52 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.199 back to my recon American accent, I will let you 53 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.759 know or not. But Stephen, I'm going to stick with you. 54 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:14.960 Excuse me, So, Stephen, thank you for actually introducing the story. 55 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.319 I'm going to say this in my regular voice right now, 56 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:21.840 but I have a question for you. What does the 57 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:27.520 United States Catholic Church conservative shift say about the broader 58 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:33.240 you see that, the broader relationship, broader relationship between religion 59 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.319 there you go and public political power. 60 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.439 What does it say? Like it's it like it it 61 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:49.199 makes sense, like honestly, like religion is more about identity 62 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.400 than spiritual formation in a lot of circles. You can't 63 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.840 wash everything with the exact same brush. But because religion 64 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.759 is something that is, it's vapor right, It's a belief 65 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:07.319 that you want to perpetuate for yourself. There's nothing actually 66 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.000 tangible about it other than the thoughts that are going 67 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.879 on in your head and the thoughts that are shared 68 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:16.399 with other people. So by taking that vapor of political 69 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:22.399 belief and shrouding a political identity, whether it's conservative, evangelicalism, 70 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:27.079 what have you, it gives that vapor some actual bones, 71 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.800 because that political thought is something that can be an 72 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.360 identity that people can actually share an action on. So 73 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:38.120 makes it makes sense that an entire branch of a 74 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:42.040 religion can drift one way politically, and it shows that 75 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.160 the two have always been linked, that religion in and 76 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.079 of itself has never really or in very few cases, 77 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:53.680 has ever really existed aside from a political identity. It's 78 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.240 a tale as old as time, right. Their religion and 79 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:00.000 politics have always been connected, and it's just another example 80 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.399 of politicians and popes sucking each other off for their 81 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:04.000 own benefit. 82 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:08.120 Indeed, we know throughout history, especially when we're looking at 83 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:13.319 European history, how integral the Catholic Church and especially the 84 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:21.480 pope has been to basically working with whatever authoritorian happened 85 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.560 to be in office at that time. We're on the throne, 86 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:29.120 because for the majority of Europe's existence it has been monarchies, right, 87 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.360 So we know when you pissed the pope off, Like 88 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.959 the Pope got pissed off back in the fifteen hundreds 89 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.480 when Hinry the eighth came into power, when he decided 90 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:43.759 to go ahead and break off because he wanted to 91 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.839 get some of that pou nini from am Boln legally, 92 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:49.519 and she promised. 93 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:49.720 Him a son. 94 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.759 So she's He's like, bye, Catherine, hello Ann and you know, 95 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.279 and said, and I'm going to declare myself the head 96 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:57.759 of the touch. 97 00:05:57.920 --> 00:05:58.120 You know. 98 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.480 The pope at the time was like reme in the 99 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:05.360 cash head, you know, and Henry was like, man, yeah, 100 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.920 but like but you know, but like but we even 101 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:14.560 seen this type of political wilding from uh, you know, 102 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.600 from Catholic had had some church state nation state rather 103 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.680 even in modern day times, remember when there was talk 104 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.959 from some of the cardinals that was in you know, 105 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.839 the popst cabinet, cabinet even in the United States about 106 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:33.120 excommunicating Joe Biden because even though that he was a Catholic, 107 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:37.160 he still supported you know, a woman's right to choose, 108 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:41.040 you know, a birthing person's right to choose, and and 109 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:43.199 that did not sit well with them. So we we 110 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:47.240 know that a lot of times, there's this authority that 111 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.560 you know, the Pope and the Catholic Church has basically 112 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:55.600 uh touched that they had because it was God given 113 00:06:56.079 --> 00:07:00.000 and they had the moral authority according to their edith 114 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.560 to that this is something that they can and will 115 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.439 do a j Why don't you talk a little bit 116 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.560 more about the moral authority, especially when it comes to 117 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:10.959 the pope right here and right now. 118 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.040 I think, you know, as far as like there not 119 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:19.600 necessarily the moral authority, but like the current environment that 120 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:24.639 we find ourselves in as far as the politics and religion, 121 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.879 I think in the US, the Catholic Church leaders, especially 122 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.959 in the general Catholic population, but especially their leaders who 123 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:40.079 a much more conservative view than what Francis did right 124 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:46.040 in the very beginning of his papacy, like in twenty fifteen. 125 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.040 I think he came into the Vatican in twenty thirteen court, 126 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.879 so by two years into it, his approval in America 127 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:01.160 was ninety percent by Catholics. Obviously not all Americans, sure sure, 128 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.120 myank goodness, so like ninety percent of Catholic Americans saw 129 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.480 him favorably. But this change as the time went on 130 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.000 and Francis was, you know, his more progressive personal opinions 131 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.279 were made public, and by last year and twenty twenty four, 132 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.600 his approval rating by you as Catholics had gone down 133 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.720 to seventy five percent. I would say that's quite a job. 134 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:27.639 That is quite a job. 135 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.040 I mean, heck, it's better than our our leaders that 136 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:32.600 we have in office right now. 137 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:37.519 So yeah, I mean he was he was just not 138 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.200 as conservative as they like, as they wanted him to be, 139 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.080 and it goes to show that they believe what they believe, 140 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.039 and if a new idea is introduced and they don't 141 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:50.200 like it, even if it comes from their ultimate leader, 142 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:55.600 the representative of God, they're still not going to accept it, right, 143 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.320 you know, they're they're stuck in this two thousand year 144 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:02.440 old ideology and they're not going to move on from it, 145 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:06.399 no matter how many popes told him about it. I mean, 146 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.720 he even tried to stock the Vatican with cardinals from 147 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.360 places that had never had them before, like you know 148 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.679 that that were beyond Europe, like Tongue and Haiti, Mongolia. 149 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.320 He wanted to make sure that there was more representation 150 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.799 beyond Europe. But unfortunately, we are seeing a lot of 151 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.000 rumors that this didn't help much and that unfortunately there's 152 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.279 already names in line for the next book that are 153 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.960 as conservative as the previous ones. 154 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.960 So sadly, yeah, there is I forgot the cardinal's name. 155 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:44.720 I believe that he's from Africa. Yeah, yeah, you know, 156 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:48.320 I could do a quick Google search, real quick, let 157 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.799 me see afric and the cardinals. 158 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.879 But he is one of the ones that has been 159 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:00.080 floated around who is extremely conservative as far as all 160 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:05.080 kinds of you. It's like homosexuality, climate change, immigration rights, 161 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.960 woman's rights. 162 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.639 Yeah, there's there's two that's kind of floating around. One 163 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:16.120 is Peter Turkson from Ghana, and then there's another one 164 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.200 called Cardinal fre Dolan and Bongo from the Dominican I'm sorry, 165 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.399 Democratic Republic of Congo. And I know that the the 166 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:32.919 Ghananese cardinal is extremely conservative. But you know, when you 167 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:37.399 think about the Catholic Church, especially in like some of 168 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.960 those and some other I would say, like nation states 169 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.080 that's in Africa and also like in the in like 170 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.960 you know, the Caribbean and and so on and so forth, 171 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.840 you know, they are not the religious the religious leadership 172 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.600 is not progressive at all. They're they're just not I 173 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:00.240 you know, I I remember, like you know, with my 174 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:03.039 my mom being Jamaican and even though that she was 175 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.480 raised in the Anglican Church. 176 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:05.000 Uh. 177 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:08.679 She she talked about how, you know, the slightest thing 178 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:12.559 if if it looks like a church leader was into 179 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:17.120 something that you know, may have been deemed sinful or 180 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.840 even like you know saying, I recognize that L G B, 181 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.639 T quy A plus people exist defraged, you know, and 182 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.039 this is not a sensibility that I really you know, 183 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.559 don't necessarily think that has you know, left a lot 184 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.279 of those particular nations, and especially when you are looking 185 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.480 at nations where there is no church, there is no 186 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:43.279 church state separation, and like oftentimes that they can definitely 187 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:47.759 bring those ideals to them to Rome to basically like 188 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:51.639 reinforce them. And if there even have been like some 189 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:56.679 possible steps in the right direction by proprances, it's not 190 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.600 necessarily going to be something that sticks depending on who's 191 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.759 going to be in the seat next time when the 192 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.039 white smoke goes up. But Stephen, I wanted to ask 193 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.440 you about your you cheering for the Catholic Church splinters. 194 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:18.799 What's going on with that? No, I don't mince words 195 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.840 when it comes to the Catholic Church being an organization 196 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.440 that does crime. And if it's and like power corrupts, right, 197 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.919 that's just like a given that as for where we're 198 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.440 at in our development as human beings, power is so 199 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.600 I don't know if it's an absolute, but power will 200 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.440 corrupt eventually. And the Catholic Church has been very powerful 201 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:45.279 for a very long time, and they have been corrupt 202 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.399 for such a long time. And sure they may do good, 203 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.519 but they also do so much evil, they do so 204 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:55.879 much harm. So if this is a chink in their armor, 205 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:00.240 that there is a division fomenting now between you know, 206 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:03.639 American conservative Catholics and the rest of the world, I'm 207 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.080 not too sure where exactly those lines get drawn, But 208 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.159 especially if that chink is driven by questions of compassion 209 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.840 and empathy, I think I think that's a really good weakness. 210 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.519 I would think it's it's good for the curtain to 211 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.240 get pulled back so that the people who are in 212 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.399 that religion and are in touch with that empathy and 213 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.480 in touch with compassion, and they're able to say, oh, 214 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:32.240 this organization that I identify with is not championing that cause. 215 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.320 It's good for them to become cognizant of that. And 216 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.840 if that causes them to you know, if that, especially 217 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:44.480 if seeing the church you know, dig into conservative ideas 218 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.639 entrench in them, and if that causes more people to leave, 219 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.480 then I think that's that's wonderful. I think I hope 220 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.919 that we can we will see the breaking of disillusionment 221 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.840 through you know, by just people being honest and like saying, okay, yeah, 222 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.360 this is this is the bulb shit that is going on. 223 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:07.720 You know, you you mentioned something about compassion and also empathy, 224 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.679 but I think that we all can think of examples 225 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:15.440 where on an organizational level that the cathol Church has 226 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:20.720 not been that at all. I know, AJ you are 227 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:26.639 were talking about a bit concerning about billions of dollars 228 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.080 to protect abusers in the Catholic Church. You want to 229 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:30.360 talk about that a little bit more. 230 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.559 Absolutely, Yeah, And what Steven was just saying, it's on point, 231 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.120 like you can't ignore the harms that they are doing. 232 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:42.639 That they've been doing for hundreds of years. It's not 233 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:44.600 a recent thing. It's not a new thing. 234 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:48.799 Okay, actually over millennia. 235 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:54.879 Yeah, they have a fund for protecting against sexual abuse 236 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.600 accusations towards the church all around the world have this 237 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.759 fund has billions allocated to these protections for the church leaders. 238 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.480 From two thousand and four through twenty twenty three, they 239 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:12.600 spent over five billion dollars to protect themselves from allegations 240 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:17.240 of abuse of sexual abuse against minors, children kids. Okay, 241 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.320 so about three and a half billion of that was 242 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.120 paid to the victims hush money. Hush money for sure. 243 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.200 I mean, they just went to sweep these things, these 244 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:32.000 accusations under the round and keep people quiet, keep these 245 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.519 children and their families quiet. So they tucked them up 246 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.279 with a little bit of green and that's it. Then 247 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.240 seven hundred and fifty million of that was spent on 248 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:45.480 attorney fees to defend the clerk. And Francis became pope 249 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.200 in twenty thirteen, which means that he was the leader 250 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.320 of this institution during a lot of the time that 251 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.240 these figures that I just mentioned, these payments that were made, 252 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.399 and these accusations were being made, and ultimately he did nothing. 253 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.000 He approved, if anything, he wants more than likely approve 254 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.639 of those payments. And you know, nothing has changed since then. 255 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.919 He wasn't accomplished to the abuse of those children. 256 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:18.120 Yeah, I know that, Like we've talked about on past episodes, 257 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.559 concerning Pope Francis and how there's this one portion of 258 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.879 him that seems more progressive than the other popes, even 259 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:34.159 acknowledging the trauma, the pain, the agony that formally abused 260 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:40.159 members have suffered under clergy, and even condemned some of 261 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.320 the action of dioceses moving priests from church to church 262 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.639 after they've been found out that they have been, you know, credibly, 263 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:53.960 you know, accused of abuse, right, but when it came 264 00:16:54.159 --> 00:17:00.200 to really doing the due diligence in order to make 265 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.279 sure that people who are still in in in priestly 266 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:09.839 attire that have been accused be brought to justice. Uh, 267 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.039 you know, I I can think of so many stories 268 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.200 where even though the Catholic Church, I want to say 269 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.240 about a few years ago produced a list of people 270 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.839 who have been accused or even possibly found liable for 271 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:33.640 abuse a clergy, members, leadership, etc. But the majority of 272 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.039 the names were from people who were deceased or retired 273 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.119 outside of the statute, uh, statue limitations. And I don't 274 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.359 know when you can a jail did person. I don't 275 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:45.680 think that there's something that can happen at this particular 276 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:47.759 moment in time. You know, we can work on it. 277 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.240 But I'm just saying, yeah, it's gonna be a little 278 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:56.440 bit difficult, you know. But they still had people who 279 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:01.160 were in the office of Priests and things of that 280 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:06.599 nature that have been credibly accused of abuse and never 281 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.200 went through their due diligence of making sure that these 282 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.559 people are prosecuted to the letter of the law. They 283 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:16.319 had for a very long time a code of silence, 284 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:22.079 and also this whole idea that the church can deal 285 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:26.920 with its own. But if we had almost a millennia 286 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:32.839 of documented abuse cases, I think that the earliest abuse 287 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:36.279 case that I've seen was like in the eight hundreds, 288 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.759 you know, I mean, like, this is this that's insane, 289 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.680 And if this is and if this is to the 290 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:49.359 point where now the actions of clergy are institutionalized, because 291 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:53.799 they've happened for so long. They've happened on every continent 292 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.200 that a Catholic Church diocese has been set up. In 293 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.880 every nation where a church diocese has been set up, 294 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.319 there has been allegations, a lot of them are very credible, 295 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:09.680 of priestly abuse. Yeah, and yet and still no action 296 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.960 that is even worth like a dollar to its name 297 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:17.200 being taken by the leadership, including proferences to make sure 298 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.039 that these people came to justice agent. What were we 299 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:19.519 going to say? 300 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.839 No, I was going to say, speaking of unspoken abuse 301 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.400 within the Catholic Church. I was recently reading about the 302 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.039 little girls that are in the non convents, and they 303 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:35.039 are there are so many cases of these little girls 304 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:39.640 being also sexually, mentally and physically abused, and it's hardly 305 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:44.039 spoken about. Like we mostly focused on priests abusing little bolds, 306 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.400 which I'm not going to take away from that, but 307 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.559 I just wanted to point out that that it happens 308 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:51.039 all over the Catholic church. 309 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.480 All yeah, yeah, it's it's not just it's not just 310 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.200 young boys that have been abused. It has been young girls. 311 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.039 It has been none, you know, they're There was a 312 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.079 book that my mom was telling me about that she 313 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.960 read years and years ago that was talking about how 314 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:13.000 nuns were being you know, abused by priests and you know, 315 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.599 got pregnant and either they had to go through forced 316 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.559 abortions or they would have to or they would sell 317 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:21.839 their babies up for adoption. 318 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.519 The very thing that they prey upon abortion very interesting. 319 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.960 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean the very thing that they 320 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.119 that they want to pray away, right, is the very 321 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.960 thing that they that their own people who have been 322 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.599 through ordination, who have been through their whole schooling and 323 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.440 things of that nature, through their preest education, you know, 324 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.200 have done this. And and it's and and and the 325 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.440 crazy thing about it is it's like this is this 326 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.200 you know, uh, Stephen, as you said, this is a 327 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.279 tale as old as time, like this is something that 328 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:58.319 we're constantly hearing again and again and and unfortunately, you know, 329 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:01.519 as much as like some people want to celebrate the 330 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.200 life of Pope, Francis is being this like you know, 331 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:09.400 beacon of Pope light because like he acknowledged you know that, 332 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:14.000 you know, LGBTQ people should be able to they're not marry, 333 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.880 but we can bless their unions. Right, But he still 334 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:20.720 thinks as a sin. But you know, they're not necessarily 335 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.039 going to hell or are they. I don't know, We'll 336 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.599 see still praying on that. You know, it's it's this 337 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.359 whole he does. He constantly was doing this dance back 338 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.119 and forth between you know today, I feel like being 339 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.839 a liberal scratch that. Now I'm going to be a 340 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.319 religious you know, a religious fanatic today. You know that 341 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.599 this is this is something that unfortunately has been you know, 342 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:47.079 part and parcel of the behavior of this of this pope, 343 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.599 and and and as much as I would love to, 344 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.960 you know, celebrate somebody who actually kind of broke the 345 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.240 mold of what you know, the office of the pope 346 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:00.640 has traditionally been, I I can't because as he has 347 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:04.400 not always broke the mode himself. But I want to 348 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:09.640 give you guys a chance to you give your final thoughts. First, Stephen, 349 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.160 I'm going to go to you, and then I'm going 350 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:11.960 to go to you aj. 351 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:18.559 I'm just reminded of a quick anecdote when I was 352 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.680 working at a retreat center an event center. Only once 353 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.880 did we have like a very large gathering of Catholic 354 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.519 priests gathered there for their annual whatever it is for 355 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.160 the whole district, because they usually do those things in 356 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.960 their own place, but they booked our place, and it 357 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.039 was so interesting. One day I was in line, like 358 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:42.440 serving a meal to these folks, and the local priest 359 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:46.720 and his protege I saw them coming through the line. 360 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.880 They knew me because of my family's connection. And when 361 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:55.039 the protege saw me in line, oh my god, he's 362 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.519 like changing his hair and trying to be like he is. 363 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.680 It was just like you are ashamed for me to 364 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.839 recognize you here because you don't want me to know, Like, 365 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.079 what is going on in these shared bedrooms at this 366 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:14.359 retreat center with all this alcohol? What why you know it? 367 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.920 Never mind? I know my answer, was it even transfigurated? 368 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.440 That's alcohol transfigurated? Did it actually become the blood of Jesus? 369 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:27.000 Maybe maybe there's some sacrificial blood magic that you know 370 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:29.680 that they do when they do the mobile great gray 371 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:34.319 Foulgisa looking face on, you know, Gregorian chants over the alcohol. 372 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.039 Now got a little toasty in there. 373 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:42.640 Yeah, I bet, I bet it's all fronting that it's 374 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:44.359 just human nature and we see it all the time. 375 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.920 Yeah, the hypocrisy kills me a j that's biging of 376 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.160 fronting up. You know, you mentioned a minute ago about 377 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:58.200 the poor Francis stands on LGBTQ rights, and I think 378 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.119 the media had a lot to do with the way 379 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.519 people perceived for Francis thinking that he was progressive. I'm 380 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.279 not going to say that he wasn't more progressive than 381 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.400 other popes, but he wasn't progressive enough to be coprogressive 382 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.599 in my opinion, personal opinion here he's been praised over 383 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.720 his support of LGBTQ people, but that is not quite 384 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.319 true that the praise came from people seeing in the 385 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:27.720 media that he claimed to bless gay unions. And he 386 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.960 stated that being homosexual was not a crime, and the 387 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:36.599 laws criminalizing homosexuality are unjust, and that's perfectly fine, but 388 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.279 too simple. Last year, yes, last year, on the show 389 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.519 Sixty Minutes, he clarified his views. He was asked straight 390 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.720 up if it was supportive of gay marriage or gay unions, 391 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.599 and he corrected this reporter. He said, and I quote 392 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.079 what I allowed was not to bless the union. That 393 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.119 cannot be done because that is not the sacrament. But 394 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.680 to bless each person. Yes, the blessing, the blessing is 395 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.000 for everyone. So to bless a homosexual type union, however, 396 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:11.359 goes against the given rights and against the law of 397 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.680 the church. So yes, yes, insane. So ultimately I think 398 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.799 that perhaps he was just expressing his personal opinions and 399 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.279 trying not to be so harsh, but he clearly did 400 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.519 nothing to make sure that the church itself took these 401 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:31.079