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Speaker 1: Here you go. All right, well, welcome to the show
Speaker 1: everyone who's here currently. I'm Robert Phoenix and this is
Speaker 1: the Friday Forecast, and we have people besides myself on
Speaker 1: this show who talk most of the time. Sometimes I talk,
Speaker 1: but most of the time it's somebody else. And I
Speaker 1: enjoy talking with other people, including you, because every now
Speaker 1: and then you show up on this show as well.
Speaker 1: We have a little Friday Calling segment today we're gonna
Speaker 1: have excuse me, we're gonna have William Ramsey join us here. Momentarily.
Speaker 1: He's wrapping up another interview, and we decided to pivot
Speaker 1: on the topic today and instead of raking Alan Dershowitz
Speaker 1: over the coals, which I think needs to happen. There
Speaker 1: seems to be something very dark brewing in the city
Speaker 1: of Austin. And I'm not talking about coffee, espresso or
Speaker 1: an oatmeal stout right. There have been a spate of
Speaker 1: murders in Austin. Most of them have not been very
Speaker 1: well attended to by the local police department, and they
Speaker 1: sort of fit a pattern that is eerily similar to
Speaker 1: what's known as the Smiley Face Killers. And William has
Speaker 1: actually written a book on the Smiley Face Killers and
Speaker 1: yeah it on his website you get on Amazon. So
Speaker 1: there's a weird intersection here. In the weirdness is that
Speaker 1: a lot of these bodies that are being found dead
Speaker 1: are being found in Ladybird Lake, and that's a connection.
Speaker 1: Water is a connection to the victims of the Smiley
Speaker 1: Face Killer. These usually it's men, there's a profile, it's men,
Speaker 1: and they go missing for a couple of days now here,
Speaker 1: if they hear being Austin Texas. If they go missing
Speaker 1: for a couple of days and they wind up in
Speaker 1: the water, there's a good chance that the person who's
Speaker 1: gone missing, well, they'll be they'll be what their death
Speaker 1: will be described as a drowned, accidental drowning. But they
Speaker 1: don't know how long that body has been in the water.
Speaker 1: Usually what happens is that they will they will sink
Speaker 1: and then they'll pop up. If there's a process where
Speaker 1: the body starts to expand with gases, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a putrification fermentation process, which just doesn't sound
Speaker 1: very nice, but that's what happens, and so unless you
Speaker 1: tie the body down and begins to float up right
Speaker 1: and then eventually it's discovered. So this is one of
Speaker 1: the common themes with a number of these murders in
Speaker 1: Austin that are still for the most part unsolved. And
Speaker 1: the water piece also again connects it to these quote
Speaker 1: unquote smiley faced killings where these victims go missing and
Speaker 1: they show up in various places in water. It's not
Speaker 1: always a lake is Sometimes it can be a creek,
Speaker 1: a tributary, sometimes it can be a pond. There's almost
Speaker 1: always water in the lungs, and there's many other things
Speaker 1: that have happened to the body besides the water and lungs.
Speaker 1: I'll let William sort of fill you in on what
Speaker 1: those things are. But that's a theme, right, It's like, whoh, well,
Speaker 1: they died of drowning, so we can just write this
Speaker 1: off as somebody who's just died of drowning, right, But
Speaker 1: what they don't really pay attention to are all the
Speaker 1: other things that happen to the body, like broken and
Speaker 1: missing teeth. And again, this is not necessarily going to
Speaker 1: be a show for the feint of heart, because some
Speaker 1: of these details can be gruesome, and of course will
Speaker 1: you will know what those sort of details are. So anyway,
Speaker 1: this is what's on the table for today. We decided
Speaker 1: to make a bit of a pivot. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that is also in part of the story
Speaker 1: and in the news cycle is one of Alex Jones's
Speaker 1: top writers. According to Alex Jones, a friend and a
Speaker 1: researcher part of Info Wars, was found dead last week
Speaker 1: in Austin, albeit under very different circumstances. This is not
Speaker 1: these are not the same circumstances. He was actually found
Speaker 1: dead on his property and there was blood everywhere, So
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't wind up in the lake, and
Speaker 1: he was He had only gone missing to the point
Speaker 1: where he didn't show up for work. And apparently he
Speaker 1: was very into being a part of Info Wars, so
Speaker 1: not being at work was quite significant. And then they
Speaker 1: sent somebody over to you go check out him, and
Speaker 1: that's when they found that he had been killed. Now,
Speaker 1: the the party line where the narrative, the commonly held
Speaker 1: narrative around this now a week later, is that somebody
Speaker 1: broke into his car and he tried to stop them
Speaker 1: and was murdered as a result of the potential theft
Speaker 1: of the car or what was inside of the car. Now,
Speaker 1: why this is important is because there was a record
Speaker 1: of him actually reporting and confronting somebody prior to this happening,
Speaker 1: and so again there's there's there's kind of a narrative,
Speaker 1: but we're not really sure if that's the case. When
Speaker 1: speaking of the case, the man who solves him is
Speaker 1: right here with us today, mister William Ramsey. Hello, William Robert.
Speaker 2: Good to see you, Good to be with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think the last time we did this,
Speaker 1: we just did this with audio. I don't think there
Speaker 1: was the video part of this.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think it was back
Speaker 2: in the day. I don't think Streme Yard was around.
Speaker 1: Stream Yard, and I think YouTube was still quite nascent.
Speaker 1: So just to give you all a bit of a
Speaker 1: bit of a history, I think I had William on
Speaker 1: my podcast that might have been like twenty sixteen or
Speaker 1: something like that, and we talked about the West Memphis
Speaker 1: three and Damian Eccles and that whole scene. Though. So
Speaker 1: that's how long it's been here. We are nine years later, William,
Speaker 1: We're both we're both still ticking here.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, still ticking a little bit more gray in the
Speaker 2: old air, so to speak. Yeah, along in the tooth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's been an a dressing ride.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah there. I mean there's a lot going
Speaker 2: on we can talk about, like the problem with Dershwitz.
Speaker 2: He is litigious crazy, he is. He has made statements
Speaker 2: recently that he's looking to sue people. And he did
Speaker 2: get sued by Virginia Giufrey. So that was an interesting
Speaker 2: court case. Now if you want to bring that up
Speaker 2: on Pacer, what happened is he that case? So you
Speaker 2: have to remember Gewfrey who did Giufray sue? Giuffray's sued. Now,
Speaker 2: this is all factual information. I'm not speculating.
Speaker 1: I can even I can even bring up the the
Speaker 1: court paperwork on it. I have it right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please bring it up. That'd be great because if
Speaker 2: you remember the arrest, I think of Epstein led from
Speaker 2: the civil this is not criminal. The civil litigation between
Speaker 2: Virginia geu Frey and Elaine Maxwell right, who was also
Speaker 2: part of her criminal arrest, was two charges were relying
Speaker 2: on her deposition, but that was the that was the
Speaker 2: one suit, right, So so Giuffray sued her, and if
Speaker 2: you remember Giuffray sued the king, current King of England's brother,
Speaker 2: So the current Charles the Third's brother who is Andrew,
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew, who his mommy paid out twelve million large
Speaker 2: like twelve million pounds to Giuffrey, who then subsequently sued Dershowitz.
Speaker 2: So Dershowitz. That one of the interesting things civil litigation. Right,
Speaker 2: it's not a criminal case. He's claims that he kept
Speaker 2: his underwear on. She claims in her I think in
Speaker 2: her uh statement that she made to the court that
Speaker 2: he she had sexual relations with Alan Dershwitz six times. Right,
Speaker 2: he has come out And anyway, that court case is
Speaker 2: really interesting because it's a sophisticated form of civil litigation
Speaker 2: where the process goes and you can watch the filings
Speaker 2: and everything. By the way, Virginia Giufrey had excellent attorneys, Yes,
Speaker 2: this is it she had like it was and it
Speaker 2: actually ties into the Hunter of Biden stuff. Right, But
Speaker 2: the super lawyer who I can't remember his name though.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. So this mentions Jane
Speaker 1: Doe three and I've I've also seen Giuffrey as Jane
Speaker 1: Doe one oh two, which is interesting because one O
Speaker 1: two equals three. But is she Jane do three or
Speaker 1: Jane do one O two or she both?
Speaker 2: I don't recall, and I don't know, okay, but I
Speaker 2: do know that she's come out of public. Her original
Speaker 2: name is a Virginia Roberts, right she goes, She usually
Speaker 2: actually go by Jenna when she was younger, but she
Speaker 2: got married. She fled like Epstein and went to Thailand
Speaker 2: and met a husband and became jew Frey and went
Speaker 2: to things. But anyway, kind of my train of thought
Speaker 2: about Drshowitz is this is actually really interesting and timely
Speaker 2: because Dershowitz, a very skilled thing is like the good
Speaker 2: of civil attorneys in these types of cases who sue
Speaker 2: for millions, they'll just continue the process. So the sure
Speaker 2: was on and it got all the way up to
Speaker 2: where Dershowitz was about to get deposed, right, So that's
Speaker 2: really where a guy like Dershowitz would have been put
Speaker 2: under pressure because she probably Virginia has very If you're
Speaker 2: in an intimate relationship with somebody, you can probably say
Speaker 2: things that can.
Speaker 1: Be very you, that's right. If you know the details
Speaker 1: of their anatomy, that's.
Speaker 2: All kinds right. So I think what happens is in
Speaker 2: a very skilled attorney will make an agreement outside of
Speaker 2: the court, like the court. The judge is kind of
Speaker 2: like a good judge, not a comedy judge like we
Speaker 2: have today all over the country or we've been appointed
Speaker 2: by Biden. But a good judge will is like a referee, right,
Speaker 2: He's seeing and facilitating judgment justice between two parties. That's
Speaker 2: what the jurors, I mean, some of these judges are
Speaker 2: brilliant and some are dumber.
Speaker 1: Than Oh my god, it's amazing the disparity here.
Speaker 2: And even in the Supreme Court. Like some of these guys,
Speaker 2: like I went through law school and some of these
Speaker 2: guys like Alito and these and Kavanaugh, they're freaking brilliant, dude,
Speaker 2: they are really really really smart smart. Yeah yeah, no,
Speaker 2: they're I mean, but then you.
Speaker 1: Have Soda Major and KBG and it's like, are you
Speaker 1: kidding me?
Speaker 2: Total joke. Anyway, getting back to my training. Fact, So
Speaker 2: the just the judge operates like a referee. But what
Speaker 2: can happen in the courts is that these two parties
Speaker 2: can come to an agreement outside of the court, even
Speaker 2: though the court case is going on. They can come
Speaker 2: to an agreement outside the court and settle and just
Speaker 2: tell the court everything's resolved, so the court doesn't have
Speaker 2: to go through the process anymore. So I think what
Speaker 2: the attorneys for Jeuffrey did is got him to the
Speaker 2: point where he could get in real trouble, like he
Speaker 2: could actually say stuff like you that ended. Part of
Speaker 2: the reason gilling Maxwell ended up in jail is because
Speaker 2: of her testimony in a civil court.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I think they ended up dropping those charges, the two
Speaker 2: charges of her being deceptive in her civil case against you, Frank.
Speaker 2: But so just to finish up what I think really
Speaker 2: happened with Dershowitz, who's in the news these days, what
Speaker 2: really happened is he skillfully settled with her settlement to
Speaker 2: the satisfaction, and then they went back to the court
Speaker 2: and said this case is done. There's no See. The
Speaker 2: other thing is that there can be no proof of
Speaker 2: this agreement. See. Sometimes people go through litigation processes, whether
Speaker 2: you know, in a civil thing, to establish a court
Speaker 2: record for the future, like I want a ruling, you know.
Speaker 2: But this was more of like I think Virginia Jewfrey
Speaker 2: seeking justice for her self. So I think that's what
Speaker 2: happened with Dershwitz, and nobody will bring it up on
Speaker 2: the mass media either. But like I said, like just
Speaker 2: it's name. Dershowitz is really dangerous and he is a
Speaker 2: person who's super crazy, So I can't say anything that's
Speaker 2: outside of.
Speaker 1: Like right, sure, sure, I mean the speculative part is
Speaker 1: the part that gets us in trouble. But what we
Speaker 1: do know is that he was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer, right,
Speaker 1: he was right, And what he did is he negotiated
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's prison sentence.
Speaker 2: That's a fact as well.
Speaker 1: That's a fact, and a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: about what that looked like on Jeffrey Epstein's end. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it was a super low security prison deal. He was
Speaker 1: allowed to leave for twelve hours a day, okay, to
Speaker 1: go to his office and work and report back at night.
Speaker 1: And he had absolutely the best of everything he needed
Speaker 1: while he was there at night in the prison. And
Speaker 1: he did that for six months. This is what allan
Speaker 1: So when people say, well Jeffrey Epstein went to prison
Speaker 1: for no, he wasn't really prison. It was kind of
Speaker 1: like play prison and as long as he showed up
Speaker 1: at night, it was fine. Right, That's what he negotiated
Speaker 1: for his client, and I guess if you're paying a lawyer,
Speaker 1: that that's what you want. He want that guy to
Speaker 1: negotiate that deal. But then the weird part is this
Speaker 1: Batman and Robin with him and Mike Cernovich. And if
Speaker 1: people aren't really kind of aware of the sequence of events,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein does his little six month bid, goes back
Speaker 1: to his life, and I believe there's a woman reported
Speaker 1: by name. Is her name Julie Fox? Is that her
Speaker 1: name at the Miami Herald?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, she was the one that was really the
Speaker 2: one who got credit for I believe she got awarded
Speaker 2: a very either well what's.
Speaker 1: She might have got? Yeah, So so she she she
Speaker 1: gets back into this thing, and it's because she's talking
Speaker 1: to to Virginia Gifray. That's where she's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of her source material from. So she starts to publish
Speaker 1: these pieces in the Miami Herald, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein starts to get hot again.
Speaker 2: Right, and so consequently your lawsuit with Giffray's lawsuit with
Speaker 2: Gill Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, And there's the Dershowitz piece and right in
Speaker 1: which she says that she in the statement Jane do three,
Speaker 1: if she's Jane Do three and I've seen her as
Speaker 1: Jane Do three and Jane Do one O two, that
Speaker 1: this is what she's accused Alan Dershowitz of. So now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Mike Cernovich and Alan Dershowitz play
Speaker 1: Batman and Robin to get those court records unsealed. Now,
Speaker 1: I love your opinion on this, because if Alan Dershowitz
Speaker 1: is doing this himself, it kind of looks very self serving,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. But if Mike Cernovich does it, and Mike
Speaker 1: Cernovich having already kind of a record with Pizzagate and
Speaker 1: you know, trafficking, now looks like, well, Mike Cernovich, who
Speaker 1: I think also might be a lawyer, I'm not clearing that.
Speaker 2: He is definitely a lawyer. He was a member of
Speaker 2: the state part of California.
Speaker 1: Okay. So now now Mike Cernovich gets to play.
Speaker 2: He gets another lawyer, Rondaza. He gets this guy Rondaza
Speaker 2: to do the filing for him. He actually said publicly,
Speaker 2: this is verifiable. I had like twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: lying around, so I have decided to get involved in
Speaker 2: this case.
Speaker 1: That's what he said, right. So in the relationship with
Speaker 1: Dershowitz and Cernovich is very weird because because publicly it
Speaker 1: looks like it's contentious, right, but we're not really sure
Speaker 1: if that's the case. It could be it could be
Speaker 1: just you know, you know, WWE stuff, right, good guy,
Speaker 1: bad guy. Meanwhile, he's carrying out sort of these you know,
Speaker 1: the plans of Alan Dershowitz to get this stuff unsealed.
Speaker 1: So Alan Dershwitz can what Virginia Giuffrey is really accusing
Speaker 1: him and other people love. And that's where it gets
Speaker 1: really tangled, because Dershowitz is trying to quote unquote clear
Speaker 1: his name with this, and I don't think it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with, you know, bringing people to
Speaker 1: justice at all. It's more, it's absolutely more self serving
Speaker 1: than anything. And of course now as a result, Mike
Speaker 1: Cernovich was there last week or two weeks ago as
Speaker 1: a little binder with all the other Epstein gatekeepers, and
Speaker 1: we've heard nothing about that since. So I'd love your
Speaker 1: take on the relationship.
Speaker 2: Of this moment, an incredible moment in the Epstein saga,
Speaker 2: which has not stopped, like it is really Epstein to
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, to ge phrase the abuse of
Speaker 2: Geufrey happened in around nineteen ninety nine, two thousand and
Speaker 2: two thousand and one. I've read Virginia Giuphra's biography, so
Speaker 2: I'm very familiar with her claims. These are not court claims,
Speaker 2: but these are statements she made in her biography, which
Speaker 2: is remarkable on a broad wide variety of levels. But
Speaker 2: it hasn't ended. So Cernovich is involved with Julie Brown
Speaker 2: or whatever from Miami, Dan Dersh and they're trying to
Speaker 2: meddle with this civil case of what's going on. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, they're meddling in the civil case trying to
Speaker 2: get the names of these women who are named in
Speaker 2: this suit of Giufrey against Giliane Maxwell, who hasn't been
Speaker 2: arrested yet. And I don't think that Epstein got arrested yet.
Speaker 2: When that civil case was done, he got arrested and
Speaker 2: then died in jail.
Speaker 1: But oh he's alive.
Speaker 2: He's unlived, unlivedlived. Here's the thing, Like I said, she
Speaker 2: had the best freaking lawyers. This guy, Paul Kassel should
Speaker 2: have been a Supreme Court member, and you're gonna hear
Speaker 2: him because he did something called a most.
Speaker 3: Afternoon again Paul Cassell again from his giuffrey, we agree
Speaker 3: that there should be broad unseiling of the record one
Speaker 3: this case between well, there is a kind of.
Speaker 1: Sorry I clicked on that little too politic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear him.
Speaker 3: Sir, And you asked how should we describe mister Cernovitch.
Speaker 3: We would describe him the way he described himself as
Speaker 3: a quote slut sham or close quote. We would also
Speaker 3: describe him as a proxy or stand in for mister Dershowitz. Dershowitz,
Speaker 3: as we're going to hear shortly, is bound by a
Speaker 3: protective order and cannot disclose documents, and where there were
Speaker 3: never any factual findings. We made that allegation in the
Speaker 3: district court that the only reason mister Cernovitz showed up
Speaker 3: a few days after mister Dershowitz was unable to get
Speaker 3: some documents was that he was an ally of mister
Speaker 3: Dershowitz and acting as his stand in.
Speaker 1: There, you go, that's exactly, That's exactly what what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about. He was like a proxy.
Speaker 2: That's not me saying it. That is Paul Kassel in
Speaker 2: a court of law saying that Witz couldn't get the documents.
Speaker 2: He's under a bound order, right, and then and then
Speaker 2: switch comes up, and then he basically tells the judge
Speaker 2: he's a proxy standing and a slutshamer.
Speaker 1: Right, right, that's not me reporting, that's not These are
Speaker 1: all facts. The other thing too that people aren't aware of.
Speaker 1: And William, I'd love love for you to comment on this.
Speaker 1: While he's doing all this stuff with Epstein and negotiating
Speaker 1: his six month Kush stay with twelve hours away, he's
Speaker 1: also negotiating immunity, right, and Alan Dershowitz negotiates immunity for
Speaker 1: himself during this whole thing. What you know about this, right?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Right? So Dershowitz, I think had immunity back in two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven or eight, right, he was a right
Speaker 2: community and that was supposedly what That's what Epstein was
Speaker 2: arguing after he got arrested, is that he had global
Speaker 2: and mis Or lawyers were who actually said there was
Speaker 2: no indication that he's going to kill himself as two
Speaker 2: lawyers at the time. He had also good, very good lawyers.
Speaker 2: But Dirsch said he had immunity. But that's from a
Speaker 2: criminal case, not from a civil case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I see, you just drop the document here.
Speaker 2: This is this document is so important, okay that I
Speaker 2: have it on my website that you can read it yourself.
Speaker 2: This is from the man you just saw, Paul Cassel.
Speaker 2: This is really one of the most important Epstein documents
Speaker 2: you could ever read. Is from Paul Casel. It's not me.
Speaker 2: This is a court filing from February twenty seventeen, So
Speaker 2: do you I think, which also attributes his inspiration to
Speaker 2: attend law school to Dershowitz. Meeting Dershowitz, he inspired me
Speaker 2: to go to law school. I mean, this is an
Speaker 2: incredible document. I mean the pictures and the words tell
Speaker 2: you everything. It's called I can put a link response
Speaker 2: and opposition of motion to intervene.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I had that pulled
Speaker 1: up as well. The other thing too, and this is
Speaker 1: this is wild, right, like Alan, Alan Dershowitz is a
Speaker 1: like a rabbit. I don't know what a rabbit like
Speaker 1: shark like If a shark could have rabies, yeah, it
Speaker 1: would be Alan Dershowitz. And there's another thing again, this
Speaker 1: is all part of the public space and it's part
Speaker 1: of the public record, which I want to bring up,
Speaker 1: but I'll show how rabbit he is it when he Okay,
Speaker 1: when Julie Brown, who is the reporter that we're talking about, right,
Speaker 1: when she published all this stuff, what did she what
Speaker 1: happened to her? She was harassed by Alan dershowitzow I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, right. This is what she says here.
Speaker 1: This is from Alternate and this was published on July
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. And so these weird things are
Speaker 1: happening to Julie Brown, like she's getting all these weird
Speaker 1: FaceTime calls and stuff's happening to a computer and it
Speaker 1: says here. Then she took a shot at Dershwitz, who
Speaker 1: has been tangentially implicated in the Epstein case. When you
Speaker 1: go after powerful people, you know they're going to try
Speaker 1: to find a way to mess with you. She explained.
Speaker 1: When my story in Epstein came out, Harvard Law School
Speaker 1: professor and former Epstein attorney Alan Dershwitz wrote an open
Speaker 1: letter to the Pulitzer Prize Committee trying to discredit my
Speaker 1: work and influence the board not to reward the Miami
Speaker 1: Herald a prize. He must have said a million times,
Speaker 1: I know that you're not going to tell the truth
Speaker 1: because you're just aiming for a Pulitzer. She recalled when
Speaker 1: I do this kind of work, that's the farthest thing
Speaker 1: from my mind. I never thought that this Epstein story
Speaker 1: would be as big as it turned out to be.
Speaker 1: Never the thing that drives me is finding justice and
Speaker 1: telling the story. People can relate to you because there's
Speaker 1: tons of vulnerable women who have gone through something like this.
Speaker 1: You can read more here. So that's what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here in terms of him being like this rabbit
Speaker 1: attack shark and going after her credibility and doing everything
Speaker 1: in his power to influence the Pulitzer Committee to not
Speaker 1: reward her, thus discredit her in anything that might come
Speaker 1: up and could be used in a court of law
Speaker 1: and possibly even against him like this is this is
Speaker 1: a huge tactic that the man indulges in as as
Speaker 1: just a form of what did the Chuck Norris say,
Speaker 1: the best defense is a good offense? That's Alan Berguwitz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. He's a very intelligent guy,
Speaker 1: like this is a very accomplished person. Oj I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find the one where he's like okay to use
Speaker 1: snuffles if you want. Have you ever seen that video
Speaker 1: of dirt? No, I've never seen that one, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. Do you know what his first high
Speaker 1: profile case.
Speaker 2: Was, wasn't it the guy who supposedly killed his wife?
Speaker 2: Was that the one?
Speaker 1: There was one even before Klaus von Bulo? His first
Speaker 1: his fur his first high profile and it might have
Speaker 1: been one of his first cases. He was part of
Speaker 1: the defense of Teddy Kennedy and Chap Equittic.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's where Alan Dershwitz enters the world stage.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's still like flooding the zone with his face.
Speaker 2: I mean he's all over the Internet and interviews and
Speaker 2: claiming he's innocent and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, for a long time, he's sort of looked relatively
Speaker 1: the same age. He's one of those guys that sort
Speaker 1: of turned old at around fifty five and stayed like
Speaker 1: that for a few, like in a couple of decades.
Speaker 1: But I think he's eighty now and he's actually looking
Speaker 1: quite old. And I'm not sure how much time this
Speaker 1: guy has left on the planet. I'm wondering, what do
Speaker 1: you think happens in the aftermath of the casting of
Speaker 1: somebody like Alan Dershowitz. Does he go through kind of
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Savile sort of post you know, exhumation experience,
Speaker 1: or does history get buried with him.
Speaker 2: I think that he'll always look be seen as kind
Speaker 2: of a repulsive creature. I mean, I think that's really it.
Speaker 2: That he was on the side of all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's not good. So what do you think.
Speaker 1: I think that once he passes away, I think that
Speaker 1: the that the vultures are going to start to.
Speaker 2: Circle tell more stories, right, I mean, isn't this like
Speaker 2: the whole thing people like, that's his intimidation. He's trying
Speaker 2: to intimidate people.
Speaker 1: Yes, And if he's not around, then who's going to
Speaker 1: do the intimidating. I mean, even if he has and
Speaker 1: I know, yes, children, I think some of them might
Speaker 1: be in law, some of that might be an entertainment.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but none of them would have the
Speaker 1: same kind of tenacity. And also, the thing about Epstein,
Speaker 1: I'm not Epstein Dershwitz, is that he has a lot
Speaker 1: of compromising material on people. That's the other side of it.
Speaker 1: And I think we see the we see the outward stick, right,
Speaker 1: like the threatning of Julie Brown with the Pulizer Committee.
Speaker 1: But then there's this other stick that we don't see
Speaker 1: with Epstein. That's that's my feeling, that's my it's my opinion,
Speaker 1: right that that's the other side.
Speaker 2: That you're entitled to your opinion. It's not just your opinion.
Speaker 2: I've heard other writings. There was a writing about on
Speaker 2: Crazy Days and Nights, which you know you have to
Speaker 2: take with a great grain of salt. But they are
Speaker 2: an investigative journalist website. They know a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: and they say that he's the one with the files,
Speaker 2: and so that's what I'm not saying that, but I mean,
Speaker 2: somebody has the files. Something weird happened last week or
Speaker 2: two weeks ago at the White House. It was an
Speaker 2: incredible moment because I did a lot of research on
Speaker 2: Epstein in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. I could have done
Speaker 2: a documentary. I probably should have. But like I've seen
Speaker 2: all those files. I've read Didji free files. Like I'm
Speaker 2: a lawyer, that's what I do, so like reading filings
Speaker 2: and things like that's very normal to me. And what
Speaker 2: they came out with in those Binders was just fluff.
Speaker 2: It was a joke. But the other thing that was
Speaker 2: interesting about it, Robert, is the lead up to it
Speaker 2: was just this fanfare, like we're releasing the files. I
Speaker 2: got them on my desk, so everybody's jomping at the
Speaker 2: bit ready to just dig through those things. And then
Speaker 2: they drop out in half of it's redacted, So why
Speaker 2: this fan fare? And it's made me think, like the
Speaker 2: years of my brain are moving, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: think that this was how the administration is going to
Speaker 2: deal with the alternate media. They're going to give them access,
Speaker 2: They're going to work things up and give out slop,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happened. Like it's just like, oh no,
Speaker 2: it's the same old bosses. We're just gonna get slopped
Speaker 2: from these guys too. We're not getting this stuff. And
Speaker 2: it made me appreciate Julian Assage more because he just
Speaker 2: put the stuff out with mil redactions or anything. He
Speaker 2: may not have known how important they were. Maybe he
Speaker 2: knew they were slop or chicken feed or whatever they
Speaker 2: call in the Intel community, but just the fact that
Speaker 2: people could read through them, so all the stuff that
Speaker 2: happened with comet pizza was autists and people like me
Speaker 2: who will like literally try to read through stuff and
Speaker 2: make connections, right, and that didn't happen at all this
Speaker 2: whole This was a very telling moment for me, was
Speaker 2: this fusudo release and the way that they're controlling and
Speaker 2: it's still controlling the information and the transparency you know,
Speaker 2: projection or whatever they're saying they're transparent is trans apparently
Speaker 2: false to me based on Epstein, Like we're in trouble,
Speaker 2: Like if this is the beginning, Holy smokes, what's going
Speaker 2: to happen later on?
Speaker 1: You know? Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, anyway, do you mind playing that audio that
Speaker 2: I have?
Speaker 1: This is uh this William F.
Speaker 2: Buckley still and bones Buckley on Derschwitz and the Stewards.
Speaker 1: I'm getting convicted, but they can try, but the film
Speaker 1: I can keep making money from. By the way, people
Speaker 1: who don't know who this woman is, it's Andrea Dwarkin,
Speaker 1: who is a absolutely the play button brother. Yeah, radical
Speaker 1: lesbian here.
Speaker 4: Take det deal of evidence to demonstrate, probably more evidence
Speaker 4: on this side than on the other side, that exposure
Speaker 4: to what you care, pornography, if anything, inhibits illegal sex conduct.
Speaker 4: You know that there is a lot of learning to
Speaker 4: what happens to a woman who has been raped and
Speaker 4: the rape has been filmed, and the films are being sold.
Speaker 2: This is a very age to put.
Speaker 5: I had a debate with Alan Dershowitz at the law
Speaker 5: school three four years ago, and he was taking the
Speaker 5: flat out pill pell position, you can't sense anything, and
Speaker 5: I said, well, what about a snuff film?
Speaker 1: You know what that is? People get killed.
Speaker 4: That is actually it's never been proved there is.
Speaker 2: It's provable that there is a stuff film.
Speaker 1: Who is this one? Who's this one? William?
Speaker 2: He kind of he kind of like that.
Speaker 5: Well, he said it would be all right, you would
Speaker 5: have to protect his snuff film that was made abroad,
Speaker 5: because then the mirror would not be something that had
Speaker 5: been so to speak, licensed dribably in America. I thought
Speaker 5: that a high form of sophism to say it's it's
Speaker 5: okay to show films people getting killed as long as
Speaker 5: you kill them outside.
Speaker 1: It's that limit.
Speaker 4: And television movies there are people getting killed. All of
Speaker 4: the homes made.
Speaker 2: So who's this old bitty Joshawitz is eighty six, by
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: Eighty six and he's not long. Who's this woman? Still here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you hear me?
Speaker 2: My camera off?
Speaker 1: Let me see.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Hold on, who is that woman?
Speaker 2: I can't hear you?
Speaker 1: Let me check, yeah, testy, test Hey, we're here with
Speaker 1: William Bramsey Investigated, journalist, lawyer.
Speaker 2: Something's going on in my computer, like, something's fuzzy.
Speaker 1: About Oh uh oh, we're getting to you. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: going to come back in. So he was. He wasn't
Speaker 1: able to hear me that whole time. We'll bring William back.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So. I think the plan here is to continue to
Speaker 1: talk about Epstein and Derschwitz a little bit more because
Speaker 1: there's a few of the things that I want to
Speaker 1: bring to the table, and then I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: pivot it and moved into what's going on in Austin
Speaker 1: and Williams connection and research, not connection but research with
Speaker 1: the smiley faced Killers. And you can find Williams work
Speaker 1: at William Ramsey Investigates and he's got blog posts there
Speaker 1: and he also has his books. Can you hear me now?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So who was that woman that was denying the reality
Speaker 1: of snuff films? Phyllis Schlaffley, Phyllis Schlafley. Wow, like now
Speaker 1: she is. Was a hardline conservative, very much so wow.
Speaker 2: The other Buckley Buckley was considered real conservative. He didn't
Speaker 2: have that kind of lifestyle. Buddy got a man at
Speaker 2: Yale or whatever was the book he wrote. But he
Speaker 2: was a skull and bonesman. He was a.
Speaker 1: Bonesman, total skill, bonesman. Yeah, and probably a bohemian grover
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Oh, no questions if you want. Another reference to Crazy
Speaker 2: Days and Nights, which is another kind of thing about Buckley,
Speaker 2: is that he actually preferred men, and he was in
Speaker 2: a married relationship. Like he's a conservative, right, so great.
Speaker 2: He liked dudes, and then the dudes that he liked,
Speaker 2: he would say inside things about them on his show
Speaker 2: like that, so he would he would they have fun
Speaker 2: in his own mind, like referencing their relationship by things
Speaker 2: that the audience would never pick up on.
Speaker 1: But right. Interesting. And the other woman was Andrea Dworkin.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, that's correct. Yeah, and wow, I've
Speaker 1: gone through hours and hours and hours of a lot
Speaker 1: of those old Crossfire shows and some of them are
Speaker 1: really mind blowing. They really are in terms of like
Speaker 1: he had Ron Paul on way back in the day
Speaker 1: and they're kind of going back and forth about you know,
Speaker 1: economic theory. It was really interesting. The one that I
Speaker 1: thought was really fascinated was him and Alan Ginsburg. And
Speaker 1: Ginsburg was he just wanted to be, you know, swear,
Speaker 1: he wanted to be as like blue and dirty as
Speaker 1: he possibly could do.
Speaker 2: So didn't you get up and start dancing for something?
Speaker 2: Ginsburg started dancing?
Speaker 1: Yes, he did, absolutely right. Yeah, it's classic. It's totally classic.
Speaker 1: So I found this. I found this one thing about Uhwitz,
Speaker 1: which I thought was very very interesting. Now again, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say this is a rumor, right, it's a rumor
Speaker 1: that Alwitz is in possession not only of the files
Speaker 1: but video.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, now there's a New York Post story which I
Speaker 1: think is really a lot of projection. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if I can dial it up here. Here we go.
Speaker 1: It's right here, and this is what this is what
Speaker 1: Dershowitz says in this story, this is really interesting. Here
Speaker 1: we go, Where is it says? Where is it about? Video? Video? Video? Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, Then you go back. It's up here somewhere.
Speaker 1: This is about Prince Andrew, Virginia Giuffrey and uh, dersha Witz,
Speaker 1: I can find this. Hold on, it's uh, I just
Speaker 1: had it here. Fine, this is let's see, yes, let's see.
Speaker 1: Here we go. Oh man, this may not be the
Speaker 1: right doc anyway. What he says as I scrambled to
Speaker 1: find it, what he says is that he wishes that
Speaker 1: they had a video of these things happening, because if
Speaker 1: there was video, it would clear him because he wouldn't
Speaker 1: be on video. He actually says this, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is really bizarre, Like why would you why would
Speaker 1: you bring that up? It sounds a lot like projection.
Speaker 2: Going on. I mean, it is so strange out there.
Speaker 1: He's very strange.
Speaker 2: It's just like some of the stuff he just wouldn't
Speaker 2: even believe is like the public, like there are people
Speaker 2: putting Dershowitz on their show. They must not have any
Speaker 2: clue what he's up to.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's he's one of these guys too.
Speaker 1: He's also like a shape shifter and for some people
Speaker 1: he represents, you know, sort of the hardcore conservative, you know,
Speaker 1: ideal like like he gets placed into that camp, which
Speaker 1: I think is bizarre because I think ultimately he's just
Speaker 1: self serving. But yeah, I think his time is limited
Speaker 1: here and it'll be interesting to see what happens eighty six.
Speaker 2: So he is not a spring chicken, there's no question
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So do you want to shift gears here and
Speaker 1: talk about now? Are you are one of the I
Speaker 1: would say definitive authorities on the Smiley based murders, which
Speaker 1: we can certainly get into the title of the show,
Speaker 1: which I flipped, is we've had a spate of murders
Speaker 1: in Austin over the last couple of years, and most
Speaker 1: of those cases are unsolved. And as I was telling
Speaker 1: the audience prior to your arrival, the majority of these
Speaker 1: murders or these bodies wind up in Ladybird Lake, which
Speaker 1: is a theme that's consistent with the Smiley Faced Killers.
Speaker 1: So why don't we start with the Smiley Face killer stuff, okay,
Speaker 1: and give people some background into how long you been
Speaker 1: diving into this, and then maybe we can eventually make
Speaker 1: our way back to Austin.
Speaker 2: Are you in Austin?
Speaker 1: I'm just outside of it, Okay?
Speaker 2: Cool? So you know the background. I started researching this
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. It's almost been ten years, and I
Speaker 2: started because I wrote a book in twenty twelve called
Speaker 2: Children of the Beast, and I kept saying, all these
Speaker 2: smiley faces around that, and I'd remember during that research
Speaker 2: listening to a what is it, what's the overnight show?
Speaker 1: Art Bell art Bell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there was an art Bell show with the
Speaker 2: guest talking about the smiley face killers. So in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing the symbol and then I remembered this, So
Speaker 2: it was kind of in my mind. I was watching
Speaker 2: stuff and I followed one case who I still remember,
Speaker 2: out of Columbus, Ohio. His name was Joey LaBute, and
Speaker 2: he disappeared out of a bar. He was a gay guy,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, if this guy ends up
Speaker 2: in a river, I'm gonna freak out because it's gonna
Speaker 2: very validate what I've seen before. And I've seen all
Speaker 2: these smiley faces in the comic culture Watchmen, Alan Moore,
Speaker 2: Fight Club of all places. So what you know, there's
Speaker 2: something weird going on.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the smiighty face also associated with Manson as well?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not familiar with that. It'd be
Speaker 2: interesting to find out if it was. I don't know
Speaker 2: it got the name. Oh anyway, So Joey the Butte
Speaker 2: ends up in the Coeto River, like nineteen days later
Speaker 2: in a place previously searched. These cases all fit the
Speaker 2: same m O. Young man nighttime, uh, no indication that
Speaker 2: he's self harming or anything, goes out, maybe has one
Speaker 2: or two drinks, usually not super drunk, disappears and then
Speaker 2: it's just like where is this person? And they're gone
Speaker 2: for a period of time that's a lot longer, like
Speaker 2: they should, body should be done. Massive search. Families show up,
Speaker 2: put up like you know, posters all around town. It's
Speaker 2: on the local news. Then the body shows up and
Speaker 2: they just saycidental drowning and move on. So that's it.
Speaker 2: But a lot of these don't fit the thing of
Speaker 2: an accidental drowning. So it got its name Smiley Face
Speaker 2: killers because two of the original researchers were two guys.
Speaker 2: One's name is Gilbertson and Gannon. They were independently researching
Speaker 2: the same thing. One was in New York, the other
Speaker 2: one was in Wisconsin, and there was a spate of
Speaker 2: these in Wisconsin. But they found that there was a
Speaker 2: smiley face associated with where the bodies were found. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a mystery, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: So I started again this was twenty fifteen. I think
Speaker 2: as Joey LaBute, I reached out to others. I was
Speaker 2: on Facebook at the time. There were other researchers out there.
Speaker 2: One is Jim Smith, so I was following it. And
Speaker 2: then I've just kind of followed the cases and tried
Speaker 2: to keep up on things while doing other research. And
Speaker 2: I put out two documentaries and my most recent book
Speaker 2: was out. I can't believe it, but it was in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It's four hundred pages and it goes
Speaker 2: into like I followed the the spate of deaths in Austin.
Speaker 2: They call it the Lady Bird deaths, but they don't
Speaker 2: in my mind, they don't see the broader phenomenon of
Speaker 2: this worldwide phenomena where like four or five hundred men
Speaker 2: have died in the same fashion. But the first one
Speaker 2: was Santos in twenty fifteen. Randy Lexwold twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 2: have a full chapter on it in my book. I've
Speaker 2: talked to Lexwold's family members Gutierra's twenty eighteen, Christopher Pew
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He was a survivor, Clifton Axdell twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: Jason John twenty twenty three. There was a space all
Speaker 2: right next to each other. Jonathan Honey, March twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Christopher Hayes Clark April fifteenth, twenty twenty three. And then
Speaker 2: there's even more. After I had published my book, there
Speaker 2: was a guy who was like literally found and in
Speaker 2: my opinion, this is my opinion, the local authorities are
Speaker 2: covering up these cases. Yes, they're misstating stuff. There was
Speaker 2: a guy from Israel who they said had a heart attack.
Speaker 2: He was twenty five. And there's a weird connection to
Speaker 2: these comedy shows, like these people are out at comedy shows.
Speaker 2: This Christian few kid was at a comedy show and
Speaker 2: left and actually ended up in the like he was
Speaker 2: in the reads around ladybird Lake for sixty hours. He's
Speaker 2: passed out. He was like a miracle that he was
Speaker 2: even found. But he was at a famous comedian's show. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this is a much broader thing. It's happening all over
Speaker 2: the world. There was a coinciding thing with the eclipse too.
Speaker 2: There were about twenty cases that happened last year. If
Speaker 2: you remember the eclipse was I think yep, February twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. That followed the eclipse, which is weird. If
Speaker 2: you remember, the eclipse kind of came across the United
Speaker 2: States from Texas, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Texas all the way up to yeah to actually Maine
Speaker 1: goes all the way up yeah, to what you might
Speaker 1: call it the northern part Canada, Halifax. Right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we we just had eclipse, right.
Speaker 2: The blood moon last night. So that's right, the red
Speaker 2: moon rose last night. Yeah, and I'm waiting for the
Speaker 2: reports to come in. I told people on my social
Speaker 2: media to stay safe and stay frosty for this whole year. Actually,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five has weird coincidings. There's two blood moons,
Speaker 2: there are two eclipses, yes, sure, I think, and then
Speaker 2: there's another lunar event. And these guys who are into
Speaker 2: kind of the black dark magic type stuff, they coincide
Speaker 2: a lot of their nefarious activities with these type of events.
Speaker 2: There's no question about it. So anyway, that's like the
Speaker 2: SFK phenomenon in a nutshell. But it's it's like picked
Speaker 2: up steam. The original researchers they thought it was like
Speaker 2: young white males, which it was the majority. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like morphed. There's a lot of African American guys in Chicago.
Speaker 2: They had this whole like rampage in Chicago. Have a
Speaker 2: full chapter on it. There were three cases in New
Speaker 2: York City and the Burroughs at outside of one nightclub,
Speaker 2: three guys ended up in water in a month, and
Speaker 2: then like Toronto, Vancouver, hotspots that usually was considered like
Speaker 2: the hotspots were New York, Boston, maybe Portland or something
Speaker 2: like that. But then it's like Austin just popped up
Speaker 2: in the middle of the nowhere, coinciding with all of
Speaker 2: these entertainment people and all these people from California coming there,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden people start dropping dead
Speaker 2: or and there's a massive strain of drugging taking place
Speaker 2: at venues all around the country, really drugging and horrible
Speaker 2: stuff like you'll be lucky if you just get robbed,
Speaker 2: but it can be even worse. And I think men
Speaker 2: aren't aren't really keyed into it. They don't think that
Speaker 2: themselves as victims, which is why these guys become victims
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Interesting, there was a case, God we might be going
Speaker 1: on a yeared out and it happened in Nashville. His
Speaker 1: name was Riley Strain, that's right, Riley Strain.
Speaker 2: And huge case.
Speaker 1: And that's a case where they actually have video of
Speaker 1: him walking around and and he's like stumbling and looking
Speaker 1: very out of it, even though he had called his
Speaker 1: I think a texted his parents. Yeah, right, and he
Speaker 1: was he was like cool, right, he was cool when
Speaker 1: he did it, But then you see this video and
Speaker 1: he's like completely discombobulated.
Speaker 2: This is an experienced drinker. He was a senior. They
Speaker 2: actually drove from Springfield, so I think he was a
Speaker 2: senior at the University of Missouri who drove to Nashville
Speaker 2: for the weekend. It's kind of like and he also
Speaker 2: is flopping down at nine point thirty two. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you're college and you drink, a lot of times
Speaker 2: they drink. That's why bud Light's the most you know,
Speaker 2: preferred drink because they're not trying to just get destroyed
Speaker 2: by clock, right, right, And that's what he was. He
Speaker 2: flopped and it was like blackout drug to me. And
Speaker 2: that's very suspicious too, like did somebody spike his drink?
Speaker 2: He was bouncing around to these other places that the
Speaker 2: last bar he was at, I forgot the name of it,
Speaker 2: but it was a famous musicians bar. But that was
Speaker 2: a huge case that made international news, like it was
Speaker 2: off the charts.
Speaker 1: Isn't there a piece of video where I think he's
Speaker 1: down by the river and there's a car that stops
Speaker 1: and he thinks it's like an uber or something like that.
Speaker 1: Isn't that part of the video evidence.
Speaker 2: It's very strange, like why he decided to come out
Speaker 2: of this bar and walk that way. He wasn't walking
Speaker 2: back to his hotel. He walks to the river's edge
Speaker 2: for some reason. Somebody walks by him and sees him
Speaker 2: talking to somebody either on Facebook or streaming, streaming who's
Speaker 2: not his mom, And he goes under a bridge and disappears,
Speaker 2: right and he disappeared for two weeks. And this was
Speaker 2: a massive search, like this was all over. There were
Speaker 2: searches in the river. There was I mean, these aren't
Speaker 2: like chump searchers like I would do. Like there are
Speaker 2: literal scuba divers who take strings and do go through
Speaker 2: in this river at that time of year. Wasn't like
Speaker 2: a storming, raging river or anything. It's a kind of
Speaker 2: a slow move. I think I can't remember the name
Speaker 2: of the river, but I don't think it's like it's
Speaker 2: not like a rage, it's not like the Colorado at
Speaker 2: high tide or whatever. But why does he disappear for
Speaker 2: two weeks? There's a lot of questions and then he
Speaker 2: magically finds up downriver, which he should have been farther downriver.
Speaker 2: He's missing his pants, I think, and his belt, and
Speaker 2: his phone is never found, which is very suspicious, like
Speaker 2: it should have been found on his person. So why
Speaker 2: has his phone disappeared? Which is kind of like a
Speaker 2: tagging instrument because it pings so like he falls off
Speaker 2: the map and his phone drops. So if he has
Speaker 2: phoned when if he fell in the water with his phone,
Speaker 2: that would make sense that the pinging stops, and then
Speaker 2: he should have been found with his phone. Why didn't
Speaker 2: the divers find his phone? They found his is somebody?
Speaker 2: Another random thing about this whole case that's even more
Speaker 2: suspicious is a member of the public who was like online,
Speaker 2: found his ID about a week later. The cops didn't
Speaker 2: find it. There's a very strange things about that case,
Speaker 2: and it goes into the greater to me, the greater
Speaker 2: corruption of these blue cities that will cover up everything,
Speaker 2: much like what's going on in Austin and I think
Speaker 2: Briley Strain, in my opinion, was targeted and something nefarious
Speaker 2: really happened to him. And that's happening around the country.
Speaker 2: And I had a really I listen to and I
Speaker 2: have the title of my chapter on chapter thirty two
Speaker 2: on my book is psychic Psychic Sloan Bella Riley Strain
Speaker 2: in the legiance because she did a show on him,
Speaker 2: and she to it, did incredible stuff about this guy,
Speaker 2: Like because I researched all this stuff. There was like
Speaker 2: a black van. Well, she doesn't know some of these
Speaker 2: other cases like that because she hasn't research like me.
Speaker 2: But a black kind of upper class kind of like
Speaker 2: a escalade van was involved in the disappearance and death
Speaker 2: of another kid by the name of Dakota Dakota James
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So like this is another like high
Speaker 2: level theme of like targeting and strange things at night.
Speaker 2: But she's really she really got it right. I think
Speaker 2: she really got it right. But I mean she's I mean,
Speaker 2: and Luke Brian's was the name of the bar. But
Speaker 2: she also you know, she ends her discussions she says,
Speaker 2: I want you to go all online. I want everybody
Speaker 2: to look and see what concerts were playing in Nashville
Speaker 2: when Riley went missing. Then I want you to ponder
Speaker 2: this question, because this is my first video on this still,
Speaker 2: I want you to ponder the question, what if we
Speaker 2: have a serial killer hidn't play in sight as an entertainer.
Speaker 2: He travels all over the world, the public figure of
Speaker 2: mass public figure. And this person is traveling everywhere and
Speaker 2: this allows them to pre choose what areas they're going
Speaker 2: to stay and what they're going to do. So who
Speaker 2: is next in the water? This is the return of
Speaker 2: the spiley faced killers.
Speaker 1: Hm. Wow, that's mind blowing. You know Nashville is mind
Speaker 1: control central, right? Yeah? Oh well that's what Kathy or
Speaker 1: Brian talks about transformation of America because her handler at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the book is a he's a clown
Speaker 1: and he's and he's based out of Nashville and also Branson, Missouri,
Speaker 1: and so he opens for a lot of country Western artists, right.
Speaker 1: And she talks about how the Mandrell sisters are all
Speaker 1: mk ultrade. She insinuates the Dolly Partner's mk ultrade. And
Speaker 1: of course she talks about Lee Greenwood in this book,
Speaker 1: and Lee Greenwood has the huge hit that you know
Speaker 1: what is it God Bless the USA or whatever it is, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Lee Greenwood has like this massive cover right by
Speaker 1: just trotting out that song where you know wherever he goes.
Speaker 1: And there's a really bizarre video where Lee Greenwood is
Speaker 1: at a rally for Sarah Palin when she was running
Speaker 1: for her vice president and he's singing and Sarah Palin
Speaker 1: is off to the side and she starts doing this
Speaker 1: right she starts like and and her daughter I believe
Speaker 1: it is Bristol, that's the daughter's name, looks at her.
Speaker 1: It's like, mom, what are you doing? Like like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Sarah Palin's getting freaking activated. It's because
Speaker 1: it's Lee Greenwood. He's more likely her Hampler. So Nashville
Speaker 1: is MK ultra Central.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting, it would make sense. I mean, these
Speaker 2: are just incredible things are going on in this world, Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean this is we had this whole thing that
Speaker 2: happened at the White House with this fake Epstein release.
Speaker 2: We also had this incredible event for me which happened
Speaker 2: I think was January eighth, twenty twenty five, which was
Speaker 2: the memorial for Jimmy Carter, and you have just this
Speaker 2: whole group of jackals and like vampires there with Trump
Speaker 2: and Malania's crying. Was she's talking to Obama her husband
Speaker 2: always got his head blown off in July, and like
Speaker 2: it is George Bush Junior, Bill and Hillary Clinton Obama.
Speaker 2: And then Garth Brooks is singing, imagine.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, okay, all right, you just did something right there,
Speaker 1: You just did something because I was going to ask
Speaker 1: you about that.
Speaker 2: Oh and Young, sorry, one more thing. Young is the
Speaker 2: guy giving the thing. He is from Atlanta and neck
Speaker 2: deep in the Atlanta child murders.
Speaker 1: Like he's all over, are you talking about Andrea?
Speaker 2: You? Andrew? Didn't he give the didn't he give that?
Speaker 2: I think so memorial. Yes, I'll have to double check that.
Speaker 2: But some people say that he is really suspicious about
Speaker 2: certain other things. But yeah, Garth Brooks, Okay, so imagine
Speaker 2: is a satanic song. I'm sorry it's Luciferian.
Speaker 1: William When when you brought up the Sloan Bella thing, okay,
Speaker 1: and she was talking about imagine, imagine imagine that it's
Speaker 1: a performer or country, right, She's like, she's like, give
Speaker 1: it a profile. The first person that popped into my
Speaker 1: brain was Garth Brooks.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was You might be as psychic as she
Speaker 2: is because I know who she was talking about, and
Speaker 2: I know who was in town when Riley's Stram went missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's where if you and if you look
Speaker 1: at Garth Brooks, right, he's always wearing something checkered, so
Speaker 1: he's always like fronting this duality and this this you know,
Speaker 1: most borderline schizophrenia. And then he did that one really
Speaker 1: weird record game game was a Chad Chad Gains or
Speaker 1: something like that. But but but it's like, what now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're a freaking rock star.
Speaker 2: Chris Gaines wearing a checker He always wore black and
Speaker 2: white checker clothes.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, this this guy is, he's his
Speaker 1: brain is partitioned like a freaking office. Okay, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's my two cents on it. And when you mentioned
Speaker 1: that that and then he's there singing that song, Holy smokes.
Speaker 2: When Chris Gaines the number one video, he's literally sitting
Speaker 2: on a star of ishtar like like this is not
Speaker 2: a mistake. This is like a star of Istar stuff
Speaker 2: from like eyes white hut.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really dark.
Speaker 1: Wow, now that was that was That was a moment, man,
Speaker 1: that was a super sync moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there there's been other researchers who've looked into
Speaker 2: Garth Brooks and have you heard I think it's like
Speaker 2: my family home. I can't remember their names. It's a
Speaker 2: husband and wife team that do a podcast. Right, they
Speaker 2: looked into Garth Brooks and they got video of that guy.
Speaker 2: It's disturbing as hell. Man, it's crazy, like he is
Speaker 2: really strange. And I've heard other country music people have
Speaker 2: critiqued him. It's kind of like like not somebody who
Speaker 2: came up through the ranks, like he was like a
Speaker 2: you know, like a culture creation figure like they.
Speaker 1: They called industry plants.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, I think right, and I think that's accurate.
Speaker 2: I don't know country music as well as maybe other people,
Speaker 2: but you know, there's the old Great Whale and Jennings
Speaker 2: or some of these other guys who really are guys
Speaker 2: who played country for forever, you know, and Garth Brooks,
Speaker 2: you know, stadiums, poppy poppy country, those things like that.
Speaker 2: Like it's really to the world is getting really strange.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five is gonna be a big year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not like.
Speaker 2: It is like there's all kinds of things going on
Speaker 2: that are like coinciding. It's just incredible, Like it's not
Speaker 2: gonna get calmer. Guys, like, you'll be lucky if this
Speaker 2: this whole war with Russia ends, But it's not gonna end.
Speaker 2: They mean, we can have a piece in a stalemate,
Speaker 2: but the Russians are still gonna be pissed they got invaded.
Speaker 1: So then you and then you have Europe, which is
Speaker 1: the tires are coming off. Ye are coming off, dude,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, what do we do now, Let's
Speaker 1: have a war.
Speaker 2: We're not stopping. The English don't want to stop. They
Speaker 2: don't seem to think any risk is going on. But
Speaker 2: if the US pulls out of that stuff, like they're
Speaker 2: on their own, there's nothing in they de industrialize that
Speaker 2: whole freaking park world. They can't build squat. I mean
Speaker 2: the US is de industrialized too, But like they think
Speaker 2: they're going to spend eight hundred billion dollars, where are
Speaker 2: they going to get that money to like build more
Speaker 2: of things they already lost. The Russians won again. The
Speaker 2: Russians beat Napoleon, they beat Hitler. And they beat the West,
Speaker 2: And I mean it's really a pseudo proxy where that's
Speaker 2: what I call it. It's the US is the real
Speaker 2: driving force. We never declared war because we're corrupt. But
Speaker 2: they wasted a hundred billion, hundred billions of dollars and
Speaker 2: filled the graves over there with young men and nobody
Speaker 2: said they're sorry. So these other criminals who started the
Speaker 2: war are still walking around this country like droop to
Speaker 2: dupe to dupe, Like what's going on? These people who
Speaker 2: are war pigs are still on TV like talking like
Speaker 2: this is just one part of the problem, Like where's
Speaker 2: the commission to figure out how this happened? And don't
Speaker 2: you have some responsibility for destroying a whole country and
Speaker 2: bringing us to the brink of nuclear war. We're literally
Speaker 2: at the we were before Trump won. I think that
Speaker 2: if other people have said this, but I think if
Speaker 2: Kamala won, civilization's over like that, Oh well.
Speaker 1: She could have been rolled, right, She couldn't just been
Speaker 1: rolled really easily by anybody on an international level.
Speaker 2: She's just on Moscow on the map. She couldn't find Moscow.
Speaker 1: On the map, right, She probably went up in Idaho? True? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So all right, do you let's let's let's put your
Speaker 1: your prophecy cap on here. Do you do you think
Speaker 1: because there's already a war and it's already kinetic, because
Speaker 1: just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening.
Speaker 1: But do you think that in twenty twenty five, in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, that this war goes at like next
Speaker 1: level kinetic in Europe?
Speaker 2: I hope not. I truly hope they wind it down.
Speaker 2: I hope Trump is successful and that the calmer heads prevailed.
Speaker 2: They don't understand what's happening, like a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2: They probably never understand, like the Germans didn't understand when
Speaker 2: they invaded Russia, like they're going to come back and
Speaker 2: rape everybody and kill and destroy everything and take everything
Speaker 2: you got back to Russia, which is exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: So people who think like, hey, this piece is just
Speaker 2: gonna be the end, Like there are some angry people
Speaker 2: out there who feel like they got wrong because they did,
Speaker 2: so I think that that's got to be part of
Speaker 2: the agreement, is like how to you have some kind
Speaker 2: of restitution or restorative from this crazy Biden regime who
Speaker 2: we don't even know who's running stuff, because all this
Speaker 2: stuff has been docusigned like a cheap like they're so competent,
Speaker 2: they just rubber stamped all these like yeah, I depend
Speaker 2: the whole thing, Like how stupid is that? At least
Speaker 2: have somebody sit in and make it look real. So
Speaker 2: but yeah, so I think there'll still be some kind
Speaker 2: of conflict. And I think this murdered and genocide that's
Speaker 2: happening to them in the least, it doesn't look like
Speaker 2: that's going to stop either, as long as Trump's in
Speaker 2: power and giving you know, stuff to Israel to kill
Speaker 2: little kids in Gaza. So I don't feel I don't
Speaker 2: feel that confident really.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My concern about Europe is that number one, there's
Speaker 1: not one country there that's doing well financially, like England Germany.
Speaker 1: Germany just laid off eight thousand postal workers, their automobile
Speaker 1: industries collapsing. Italy, which used to have a very strong economy,
Speaker 1: doesn't have a strong economy anymore either. It's been taken
Speaker 1: down by the rest of the EU. So their economic
Speaker 1: prospects in general are not good, right, So they have
Speaker 1: that problem. They also have the problem with the migrants,
Speaker 1: and people are getting fed up and you know, having
Speaker 1: their cities turned into Nogo zones, so they're gonna need
Speaker 1: to have something to distract people from that. Then the
Speaker 1: other part is that you have these very effeminate men
Speaker 1: who are the so called leaders of Europe, like here
Speaker 1: Starmer and the new guy from Macrone, the guy from Germany,
Speaker 1: and it almost feels like they're going to go into
Speaker 1: this over compensation mode, right like, oh you think that,
Speaker 1: you know we're pushovers and you know we're just yes
Speaker 1: men or silly boys. No, we're gonna show you just
Speaker 1: how tough we are. We're gonna go to war, and
Speaker 1: it's all and it's all about some kind of weird
Speaker 1: psychological compensation.
Speaker 2: I agree on women too. Sometimes women in very conflict,
Speaker 2: they overcompensate. It's not the kind of easy going aggression.
Speaker 2: Maybe some man, but like this vander Layden.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna blow.
Speaker 2: Away undred billion dollars? What are you talking about? So
Speaker 2: it's pretty dice it. I'd be pretty nervous if I
Speaker 2: was a European.
Speaker 1: Honestly, absolutely, I mean absolutely, I mean it is there.
Speaker 1: They're on thin ice right now, very very thin ice.
Speaker 1: Quick little factoid my audience knows this. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you do. But for a long time, I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure if it's still there. But was there at
Speaker 1: one point, Ursula vander Land's family used to be the
Speaker 1: largest slave owners in North America. Wrap your head around that, right,
Speaker 1: crazy in the South or something North America period, right, Canada,
Speaker 1: the South, you know, probably some island slave trade the largest. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's her family, her husband, his family dominated. He's Dutch.
Speaker 1: That's where she gets evander Land name from. His family
Speaker 1: dominated the silk trade in Europe for centuries. Right, So
Speaker 1: you have these two people coming together with you know,
Speaker 1: these kind of weird legacy bloodlines, right that they're really
Speaker 1: all about sort of domination and control and power. And
Speaker 1: the weird thing about Ursula Vanderland is that at one
Speaker 1: point her husband was like a visiting us are a
Speaker 1: Stanford and she was just a freaking housewife, right she was.
Speaker 1: She was a housewife living in pallow Alto.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now all of a sudden she's the freaking
Speaker 1: head of the EU. Right, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: That is that is truly crazy. Like, I mean a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know what kind of like midwith
Speaker 2: some of their bureaucratic overlords. Are the EU is just
Speaker 2: one big giant bureau and they're gonna take you to hell. Man,
Speaker 2: They're gonna, I mean they I don't think they have
Speaker 2: like a view. If she's running slaves, she wouldn't have
Speaker 2: a problem sending millions of people to die.
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all, very different kind of mentality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's another case. We're getting a little little uh, little
Speaker 1: Gemini here, little schitzo. But there was another case in
Speaker 1: Austin that just popped up, and it's called the yogurt
Speaker 1: shop murders. Are you familiar with this at all?
Speaker 2: It happened a long time ago, like three people a
Speaker 2: while back. I'm familiar with the yogurt I vaguely remember
Speaker 2: what's in young teen kids.
Speaker 1: Yes. Now all of a sudden, they're revisiting this yogurt
Speaker 1: shop murder. It started to come back into the news,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really interesting that it's popping up,
Speaker 1: and like in the background is the death of Alex
Speaker 1: Jones's producer and writer. Right, So literally this yogurt chop
Speaker 1: thing just popped up. The last three days, they're revisiting
Speaker 1: what happened there nineteen ninety one is what it was, right,
Speaker 1: So if you do a search, you'll see that like
Speaker 1: it's it's coming back up. Wow, It's like, well, why
Speaker 1: is that? Well, maybe it's because they wanted draw attention
Speaker 1: away from something else.
Speaker 2: Right, I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised at
Speaker 2: all twenty four or thirty three years of unanswered questions,
Speaker 2: right because there's a book out there, documentary, I guess
Speaker 2: there's a documentary.
Speaker 1: That the documentary coming out, so I guess I guess
Speaker 1: maybe it's just right, but also it also feels weird
Speaker 1: at the same time, it seems weird.
Speaker 2: Well. The other thing is they had like a huge
Speaker 2: like UFO UAP movie, The Age of Disclosure came out
Speaker 2: at south By Southwest too, so all the UFO grifters
Speaker 2: shut showed up to. They're probably all on Sixth Street
Speaker 2: or whatever over they're drinking. But yeah, the new the new.
Speaker 1: Area is Elizabeth Street, so new hip area.
Speaker 2: What's the rainy Street is the one that.
Speaker 1: Rady Street's Rainy Street? My bad, it's rainy Elizabeth Streets
Speaker 1: and rest it is Rainy Street.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one they call the rainy Street. Ripper,
Speaker 2: that's the other name for the serial killer there.
Speaker 1: But did you did you ever stumble upon the oak
Speaker 1: Kill satanic ritual abuse stuff?
Speaker 2: I'm sure I have. I don't know. Is it from Texas?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's Oakill is a neighborhood in Austin that I
Speaker 1: used to live in. And this is back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one. It was sort of in the Satanic panic era,
Speaker 1: and it was two proprietors of a daycare center, Keller
Speaker 1: Fran and Dan Keller. Yeah, it's kind of happened around
Speaker 1: the time of the McMartin stuff, maybe a little bit after.
Speaker 2: So they're actually innocent, so it really was Satanic panic.
Speaker 1: Well, they got a three point five million dollar settlement
Speaker 1: out of this thing, but then the kids were diagnosed
Speaker 1: with this associative identity disorder. I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 1: weird stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll have to look through that. Yeah, that's the mcmartin's
Speaker 2: preschool was what in the eighties, so.
Speaker 1: I think McMartin was like eighty nine. They might have
Speaker 1: been a bit about two years before that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's different things that happened. I mean, there was
Speaker 2: definitely some paranoia and stuff, but I think the witch
Speaker 2: hunt narrative by Ross Sheet covers a lot of these cases,
Speaker 2: you know, good really. I think he takes a more
Speaker 2: nuanced view, like there are some where there really are happening,
Speaker 2: and then that bleeds over to some of these other
Speaker 2: situations where the evidence isn't as real.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So what do you think or who do
Speaker 1: you think is behind the smiley faced stuff?
Speaker 2: I think it's a network of people who are associated
Speaker 2: either on the dark Web or in searching groups, fet
Speaker 2: life or like really extreme BDSM type stuff, who have
Speaker 2: like graduated through violence and stuff too, actually doing horrible
Speaker 2: things to their target audience. I think it's mostly a
Speaker 2: gay motivated and then there's copycats and people who you
Speaker 2: know aren't doing it. But I do think that it's
Speaker 2: most That's why the men are young, college aged because
Speaker 2: they're out of the house, you know, so I think
Speaker 2: that they're kept somewhere. The closest thing I would kind
Speaker 2: of liken it too, is this which I covered in
Speaker 2: my second documentary. It's called the Family murders in Adelaide,
Speaker 2: which is I think the fourth largest city in Australia
Speaker 2: south kind of south of Melbourne. But they had a
Speaker 2: spate of killings where men were being abducted drugged, So
Speaker 2: there's drugging involved and gay networks and murder, and I
Speaker 2: think it's something like that on an international scale. And
Speaker 2: just like Sloan Bella said, I think they're taking videos
Speaker 2: of them and really really horrible stuff. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of there's other situations where this is happening in the
Speaker 2: world where they literally have red rooms and horrible stuff,
Speaker 2: like the horrible things have been discovered in the Philippines
Speaker 2: of like abuse that is incomprehensible. So I do think
Speaker 2: that this this kind of stuff and another target and
Speaker 2: people may even be flown in, Like going back to
Speaker 2: the Joey Lebute case that I talked to you about,
Speaker 2: that commy set down this path that took place on
Speaker 2: the weekend of what's known as the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic,
Speaker 2: which is his bodybuilding competition that happens in Columbus every year.
Speaker 2: So somebody could have come into flown into town, committed
Speaker 2: to crime, and left a rich guy, and it makes
Speaker 2: would make perfect sense, like it's the perfect crime, come
Speaker 2: commit a crime and leave. And apparently that I mean
Speaker 2: it externally, it may look like a bunch of heterosexual dudes.
Speaker 2: But apparently in the bodybuilding community there's a lot of
Speaker 2: homosexual activity as.
Speaker 1: Just leave. Right, That's what I've been told, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was.
Speaker 2: At a gay bar. I mean, Joey LaBute was gay
Speaker 2: at a gay bar. Or I think he walked into
Speaker 2: a gay bar and disappeared.
Speaker 1: To put your website up here for p well, so
Speaker 1: they can find out more about who you are, and
Speaker 1: and there we go. William Ramsey investigates, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Used to be black, but somebody thought it was a scene,
Speaker 2: so I had to change it to turquoise. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the other color be. I don't know. Some
Speaker 2: of the topics I deal with, it's hard to like
Speaker 2: make them look rosier like whatever. Like this is stuff
Speaker 2: like the journalism I kind of do. It is like
Speaker 2: not for the faint of heart. But yeah, I've had
Speaker 2: five books now and I've done five documentaries which would
Speaker 2: be covered on Patreon. You can go to my Patreon
Speaker 2: page and my podcast. You can buy signed copies of
Speaker 2: my books at my website, and my podcast has over
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred episodes on a wide variety of different topics.
Speaker 2: A lot of the books I've covered and really just
Speaker 2: as an independent journalism is independent journalism, it's not. I
Speaker 2: don't get I get paid by my listeners listening to
Speaker 2: my ads on my show. I don't get I'm not
Speaker 2: supported by the tech overlords or have some secret benefactor
Speaker 2: any thing like that. But yeah, I mean, I gotta
Speaker 2: find our old discussion. I still got to repost that.
Speaker 2: Do you still have an audio from our oldest discussion?
Speaker 1: You know? I might so one of my one of
Speaker 1: my channels got taken down by YouTube and I was
Speaker 1: never able to recover it. So I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it was on that channel. There could be a chance
Speaker 1: that might have been on the channel. There's a question
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, Oh yeah, how do
Speaker 1: you how do you keep it together? Because you deal
Speaker 1: them to a lot of really dark material.
Speaker 2: I try to get outside touch grass, you know. But
Speaker 2: these things just were like following on like just my
Speaker 2: own curiosity. Like so like I studied Crowley, then I
Speaker 2: went to the West Memphis three, and then try Children
Speaker 2: of the Beast, and then these smiley faced killers, and
Speaker 2: I did one on the Order of Nine Angels, which
Speaker 2: is back in the news because these crazy sevenths for
Speaker 2: swatter whack jobs who are associated with the Order of
Speaker 2: Nine Angles are like swatting everybody these days. But that
Speaker 2: was that book is my most sole book, is the
Speaker 2: Global Death Cult?
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've all kind of just followed off on my research,
Speaker 2: really just kind of satisfying my own curiosity. These things
Speaker 2: real And the answer is, yeah, there's some dark stuff
Speaker 2: going on. So, I mean, I'm trying to way together
Speaker 2: as best I can.
Speaker 1: Were you were you ever interested in the Polycloss case
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: I interviewed a guy who wrote a book about polyclous
Speaker 2: So yes, I am familiar with that and it's come
Speaker 2: up recently because what's her name.
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: But yeah, Spearing was the author's name. I think about
Speaker 2: the Polycloss case, which is also kind of weird, like
Speaker 2: how does a guy walk in and abduct the girl
Speaker 2: when she's there with other people.
Speaker 1: He hadn't even asked what her name was. Who's so
Speaker 1: we're talking about Richard Allen Davis, who was the man
Speaker 1: who abducted her. And then, and I've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: he drives around and he's pulled over by I believe
Speaker 1: the Santa Rosa Police Department, and he's intoxicated. He does
Speaker 1: not have a license, right, and what did they do? Well,
Speaker 1: they say that they called it in but their radio
Speaker 1: wasn't working, and they let him go. When was the
Speaker 1: last time you ever ran across a police officer that
Speaker 1: didn't want to process somebody for a DUI? Come on,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, right. They let him go, and then eventually
Speaker 1: what happens is they arrest him again, and then he says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well she might be over here over there, and eventually
Speaker 1: they find her remains on the side of the highway.
Speaker 1: This was I don't know, kind of weeks later.
Speaker 2: I don't think that previously searched. And it's kind of strange, like, oh,
Speaker 2: it wasn't hidden or something like that, like.
Speaker 1: No, it was, it wasn't It wasn't hidden. Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So there are two things about that case that are
Speaker 1: really well, there's one thing about the case which is
Speaker 1: really bizarre, and that's her father, Mark Class And Mark, okay,
Speaker 1: do you have children?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, So if one of your kids went missing, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you be a mess?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Mark Klass had the weirdest vibe when she went missing.
Speaker 1: He had this kind of cold anger, but there was
Speaker 1: never any sense of grief or any sense of I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's how he processes his emotions.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But when it was happening, because I
Speaker 1: was living in California, man, this this dude's reaction to
Speaker 1: this is really strange.
Speaker 2: Like a huge news all over the news, all over
Speaker 2: the TV. Yeah, loss of search, you know, the whole bit.
Speaker 1: It was just really weird. Right, Okay, you never ever
Speaker 1: ever saw her mother. She was interviewed one time and
Speaker 1: that was it. And by the way, she was in
Speaker 1: the house at the time, she was in the bedroom,
Speaker 1: so the mother was pushed into the background. Now here's
Speaker 1: where it gets really really weird. Mark Klaus's father, father,
Speaker 1: Joe Claus, was he was he was in the military, right,
Speaker 1: he might have been connected to military intelligence. He writes
Speaker 1: a book about Amelia Earhart, who was a woman who
Speaker 1: goes Missy right, like, there's all these weird connections with
Speaker 1: Joe Claus. And then through that Mark Claus and then
Speaker 1: on the Winnona writer side, her father Michael Horowitz was
Speaker 1: Timothy Leary's sort of the keeper of his literary estate.
Speaker 2: He was his archives.
Speaker 1: That's right, So the Lyary's her godfather. And then you
Speaker 1: roll it forward and she's in what show Stranger Things?
Speaker 1: What a Stranger Things about about a kid who goes missing,
Speaker 1: and she's the mother of the kid. I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole thing is just weird. It is really, really weird. Now.
Speaker 1: I ran into a PI one time in Santa Rosa
Speaker 1: as we were leaving this Health and Harmony festival, and
Speaker 1: the PI is handing out pieces of paper. Right, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know he's a PI, but he's just the
Speaker 1: guy handing out paper. And I looked at it and
Speaker 1: there's poly Claus's picture, And I said, what the hell
Speaker 1: happened here? Like everything about this is completely wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what I'm going to share is what he shared
Speaker 1: with me, And allegedly, allegedly, according to this PI, this
Speaker 1: is what happened, Okay, So I got I gotta quote
Speaker 1: this right. Allegedly that Polyclaus had been taken to the
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove, not during the Bohemian Grove season, but the
Speaker 1: actual Bohemian Grove where they have facilities, and supposedly she
Speaker 1: was tortured for three days. And this was not only
Speaker 1: captured on video, but back in the day, they used
Speaker 1: to have like a like a satellite uplinks for video
Speaker 1: and people were paying significant amounts of money to witness this. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is what the PI shared with me. Now
Speaker 1: the other thing he shared, and I'm going to be
Speaker 1: very careful here, and it has to do with a
Speaker 1: very prominent woman who ran for president at one point
Speaker 1: in time, not the last one, but the one prior
Speaker 1: to that. She shows up in this story and she
Speaker 1: is supposedly there as well. Have you heard about this
Speaker 1: ritual called I think it's called the Kiss of Life
Speaker 1: or the Kiss of Light? Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2: Oh no, what's about? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Supposedly it's taking the last breath of a dying person
Speaker 1: and you're you're taking in there the spirit, right, the numa,
Speaker 1: and like this is part of the ritual. And supposedly
Speaker 1: this happened with Polyplaus right, So it's very dark. It's
Speaker 1: very dark. And then and then and then he says
Speaker 1: to me, and I could probably share this. He then
Speaker 1: he says to me, and the and the guy that
Speaker 1: was videotaping everything was Hunter S. Thompson.
Speaker 2: Well there you go. So that coincides with other information
Speaker 2: and knowledge from the Franklin cover up, right, Yeah, Franklin
Speaker 2: scandal and all that and his own strange admissions and
Speaker 2: his weird travels, and we know he was at the
Speaker 2: Believe me and.
Speaker 1: Growth right absolutely, And of course you know there's the
Speaker 1: Adrena crime section in If You're Loathing in Las Vegas Crazy.
Speaker 2: I did a show also on the Yosemite murders. If
Speaker 2: you remember that those are the three girls. It was
Speaker 2: a mother and two young teen girls that disappeared and
Speaker 2: it was placed on stain or do you remember that
Speaker 2: story vaguely? Well, that was another one where like it
Speaker 2: was so dark that they he supposedly abducted them himself,
Speaker 2: these three women, and tied them up and controlled them.
Speaker 2: But really what really happened is he took ors. He
Speaker 2: and his cohorts took these two girls or one of
Speaker 2: them at least, and kept them for a while and
Speaker 2: did unspeakable things. And then they were methods. And but
Speaker 2: I think the police either left that out of the
Speaker 2: story or it just never hit the media that way.
Speaker 2: But like literal abduction and like torture and kept for
Speaker 2: a long period of time, like terrific, stand took the
Speaker 2: you know, took the fall for the group. Really it
Speaker 2: was a group type thing. Which it sounds very much
Speaker 2: like class. Yeah, but I interviewed this guy, Frank Spear,
Speaker 2: and you can listen to it on.
Speaker 1: My So what is what is the Is this a
Speaker 1: pdf you brought up here?
Speaker 2: No, this is just a book that I had the
Speaker 2: author on my show talking about the case. Well, I've
Speaker 2: done a lot of true crime, like just because I'm
Speaker 2: curious about it, so a lot of this is just
Speaker 2: one of the things. So this might be something you'd
Speaker 2: be interested in listening to or a book you could read,
Speaker 2: but that wouldn't surprise me the story of poly class.
Speaker 2: And the weird thing is like the dad may be
Speaker 2: involved in all that weird stuff like that may be
Speaker 2: like what's going on, Like they have blackmail on that
Speaker 2: dude because he did act weird and I think he
Speaker 2: worked it like in on knob Hill at one of
Speaker 2: the hotels or something like that, like I remember some
Speaker 2: of those stories.
Speaker 1: But anyway, No, I just thought I thought the the
Speaker 1: reaction was just really really misplaced on a lot of
Speaker 1: different levels. So the weird thing is I actually wrote
Speaker 1: about this on my website and somehow he found it
Speaker 1: and he left a comment on my website. Oh really,
Speaker 1: what do you say, he called me a sick fuck
Speaker 1: so you feel like you sick fucking bastard or something
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, oh, maybe I should take this down.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it happened, like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But the weird thing though, is like his dad is
Speaker 1: so strange, like the whole Joe class. Like his dad
Speaker 1: had it like a radio show on ABC Radio. He's
Speaker 1: got this military connection and he's got this really bizarre
Speaker 1: book about Amelia Earhart, who is a young woman who
Speaker 1: goes missing.
Speaker 2: It's just like, is weird, like a lot of missing stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like very strange.
Speaker 2: Rights also strange about well Ona Ryder. Her middle name
Speaker 2: Laura is after Laura Huxley, Aldus Huxley's wife, so she
Speaker 2: has connections to both Huxley and Leary.
Speaker 1: To her parents. Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, the whole Stranger Things,
Speaker 1: It's like there's like weird six degrees of separation round
Speaker 1: Stranger Things. The producer of Stranger Things is this uh
Speaker 1: dellow the name of Robert gadgek.
Speaker 2: Yah, Robert gadg produced that. Yes, is that the son
Speaker 2: of Gadge sect the full on pedophile.
Speaker 1: No, so I know he is the son of Robin
Speaker 1: Gadgek who was my English teacher in college, and I
Speaker 1: did a whole semester on Hemingway with his dad. His
Speaker 1: dad was a great teacher. It's it's Robin's brother who
Speaker 1: is the pet of file who went to Papau, New
Speaker 1: Guinea and theoretically discovered mad cow right right, right, So
Speaker 1: he he sort of won the Nobel Prize with another
Speaker 1: guy that year. But what he does is he winds
Speaker 1: up bringing back a bunch of kids from New Guinea
Speaker 1: to live with them, and then of course he does
Speaker 1: very sordid things with these kids, and some of them
Speaker 1: wound up suing him. Some of them didn't care. They
Speaker 1: were like, well, you know, we thought he was just
Speaker 1: loving us, right, because they didn't have any real context
Speaker 1: for what was going on. But then these other kids
Speaker 1: did and they sued him, and then he I think
Speaker 1: he fled to Iceland or Finland. It might have been Finland.
Speaker 1: So he's there in Finland. He does his research in Finland.
Speaker 1: But again it's another weird I mean of kids literally
Speaker 1: going missing, just like stranger things, right, it's really wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gad you sec had other the pedal. Gad you
Speaker 2: sec had some weird connections to like I think somebody
Speaker 2: who was investigating the processed Church found that gad you
Speaker 2: Sek was in New York City or something like that.
Speaker 1: Could it could be, it could be. His dad was
Speaker 1: a very unique guy and the father of the pedophile, No,
Speaker 1: the father of the producer. Okay, Robin, who was my
Speaker 1: teacher in college. He was he was super unique. He
Speaker 1: was very bright. Uh and you know, he was one
Speaker 1: of the best English teachers I had. He knew hemingway inside.
Speaker 1: Note that's cool. Yeah, that was really so. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: son became a producer. But it's his son's uncle who's
Speaker 1: got that whole weird trajectory.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, small world, small world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed it is. Well, William, how can we get
Speaker 1: out of here on a lighter note?
Speaker 2: We made it past the blood moons.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: We're all still here, right, we're moving into spring. It's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, and you'll never have a loss of
Speaker 2: interesting things to look at or talk about. Considering all
Speaker 2: that's happening in the world right now, it's like you
Speaker 2: just like, what subject do you want to take talk?
Speaker 2: It's incredible, I mean, but I think I think there
Speaker 2: is kind of an increase in knowledge in exchange that's decentralized,
Speaker 2: of which you and me talking right now are part of,
Speaker 2: and exchanging information and talking from different perspectives. And I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of like the new public commons of
Speaker 2: these types of stream yard things, and people can take
Speaker 2: what they learn, but they still learn something and you're
Speaker 2: not getting ground down with the really vicious propaganda or
Speaker 2: being like you think along with the guests, like you
Speaker 2: think along with Robert or me. And I think that's positive.
Speaker 2: So I think that the increase of knowledge helps us
Speaker 2: all make good decisions. So I think that's something positive
Speaker 2: that we have now and we'll have in the future
Speaker 2: as long as we're not like, you know, being bombarded
Speaker 2: with information from five from the media that's owned by
Speaker 2: five huge corporate entities.
Speaker 1: You know, well, they decentralized that to degree, right, that's
Speaker 1: like that it's like those it's like those people that
Speaker 1: were there at the White House getting their little Epstein binder,
Speaker 1: like they've become sort of the new mainstream media in
Speaker 1: some ways.
Speaker 2: Very Well said, Yeah, I just did a show how
Speaker 2: independent is the independent media? Because it used to be
Speaker 2: kind of like like you, kind of like a truly
Speaker 2: independent before stream Yard right just doing audio shows. I
Speaker 2: was doing the same thing and I have it. Regrettably,
Speaker 2: I had to inform people that the great Keith Hansen
Speaker 2: aka Visigoth passed away in January. So he was really
Speaker 2: one of the early guys who had a lot. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you were on that show or not.
Speaker 1: I think I might have been.
Speaker 2: Actually, there's so many people from like the early kind
Speaker 2: of alt media involved with Keith, so he was a
Speaker 2: really great one. And I also the good news is
Speaker 2: that I've preserved eight hundred episodes of his shows, so
Speaker 2: you can see them on to just type into a
Speaker 2: search Enginegoth the Visigoth Archives. I think I have them
Speaker 2: in a series of six or seven one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty episode tranches and you can go through. There's still
Speaker 2: good tons of JFK material, tons of book conversations, a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff about Lincoln and early Dave McGowan, I mean,
Speaker 2: just incredible stuff like it of great historical importance as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned for people who like to try
Speaker 2: to tell the truth.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really mind blame. You're reminded me of
Speaker 1: a period of time where you had Jim Mars and
Speaker 1: Text Mars and Edgar Steele and all these really hardcore
Speaker 1: alternative researchers. Many of them have passed away. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: and now there's like this, we might've been been into
Speaker 1: the third wave version of this. But those guys were gangsters.
Speaker 1: Those guys were out there without a net.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for nine to eleven truth, all these Mothman prophecies
Speaker 2: were going on there, and just a lot of early
Speaker 2: stuff that's really fantastic, still fantastic.
Speaker 1: And also there wasn't a lot of compensation for these dudes,
Speaker 1: not like now, you know, you get a chant like
Speaker 1: Ian Carroll's making a shit ton of money right now,
Speaker 1: you know, but hundreds of thousands, yeah, I mean fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, that wasn't happening.
Speaker 2: No, No, you were making I mean YouTube. If you
Speaker 2: were getting it on YouTube, you're making a pittance. Like
Speaker 2: some of these guys really have cashed out. But you know,
Speaker 2: the most of those people were doing I don't think
Speaker 2: Keith really made any money from his show. You just
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. It was like an intellectual exercise for him.
Speaker 2: I think you did it some of the yearly. These
Speaker 2: shows were done from the library at the Saint Albans
Speaker 2: or wherever he worked in Tampa, so he would just
Speaker 2: work and then do a show. You know. That was
Speaker 2: actually he gave me my first chance. Really, I was
Speaker 2: with him in twenty ten when I published my literally
Speaker 2: printed out my book on a printer. He was really
Speaker 2: one of the guys who gave me a chance. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of why I, you know, started, I literally
Speaker 2: this is my first book. By the way, people, it's
Speaker 2: a little blurry.
Speaker 1: You gotta fix it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to fix it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm there, we go. This is it.
Speaker 2: So when I first published is I printed it out
Speaker 2: on my on my printer so you can see the
Speaker 2: ring binder. But it used to be published on a
Speaker 2: website called create Space. I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember Created Space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's morphed into Kindle KDP, but fifteen years ago. Man,
Speaker 2: it's been a ride. So you were total you were
Speaker 2: a total d why you know, I went and looked
Speaker 2: around and tried to like talk to people about my book.
Speaker 2: I was really concerned about getting it changed, Like I
Speaker 2: didn't want that kind of indiosyncratic my own perspective changed,
Speaker 2: like somebody to tinker with it. But I also went
Speaker 2: around and talked to publishers, and they were giving me
Speaker 2: squat like I was nobody obviously, And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: let's see, would I rather make seven bucks on every
Speaker 2: one that I sell myself or you know, roughly like
Speaker 2: half what the cost was back then fifteen twenty books
Speaker 2: or give it to somebody who I don't have control
Speaker 2: over and is literally giving me like five cents net,
Speaker 2: so after expense is like crazy, like low ball. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what you actually get people to give you a book
Speaker 2: for that little money? That means they're just making the
Speaker 2: lion share, like a beyond line share. These publishers, they
Speaker 2: have contempt for the author. So I've self published all
Speaker 2: the way. I've done everything myself. It looks cheap. I
Speaker 2: don't have like I'm not an artist, so like my
Speaker 2: covers are sloppy, but I'm not trying trying to sell
Speaker 2: the sizzle. I'm trying to sell the stake.
Speaker 1: Because I like that. So what are you working on now?
Speaker 2: Which so busy? I did a really good show. You
Speaker 2: should have me on. We can talk if you like literature,
Speaker 2: we can talk about Catcher in the Rye and Sallenger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I've done a lot of research because too like
Speaker 2: these assassins for some reason are carrying around Catcher in
Speaker 2: the rye Ankley and Chapman, but it goes into a
Speaker 2: larger kind of study of culture creation. Why Sallenger's book
Speaker 2: sold sixty five million copies, Like it's incredible to kind
Speaker 2: of reach that one book has had. But it has
Speaker 2: a darker underbelly, and I think that some people keyed
Speaker 2: into it, but as a piece of literature, it's really
Speaker 2: something else. Sallenger wrote it at thirty two because it
Speaker 2: has all kinds of dark subject murder, pedophilia, almost every
Speaker 2: sexual kind of proclivity is encapsulated in there. But it's
Speaker 2: also very complex and uh, it's like a culture change,
Speaker 2: Like it's really off the charge. You just kid write
Speaker 2: what happened, because what happened is is all of these
Speaker 2: killers kind of morphed into fictional characters. So Chapman became
Speaker 2: Holding call Field and then committed this crime. And then
Speaker 2: you see this whole thing playing out with Hinckley where
Speaker 2: he has has this infatuation that apes the love interest
Speaker 2: or well the interest of Holding Callfield with his daughter,
Speaker 2: his sister Phoebe, who's ten and Hinckley has this thing
Speaker 2: for the girl who was Jody.
Speaker 1: Fosterdie Foster from Taxi Driver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think you'd find it really interesting, Robert.
Speaker 2: I think I'll say I have a ton of slides
Speaker 2: we could do. You can actually see my old shows.
Speaker 2: I've done a couple of shows already about it. But
Speaker 2: it's it gets really detailed and it goes into other
Speaker 2: assass attempted assassinations, George Wallace and the killing of a
Speaker 2: girl and Los Angeles by bardo. Her name was Rebecca Schaeffer.
Speaker 2: The guy was carrying Why are these guys carrying this
Speaker 2: book around?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting? When what was that published?
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty one?
Speaker 1: So that is really an interesting time to get published.
Speaker 1: We're coming out of World War two right in the fifties,
Speaker 1: are like this launch pad for rebellion? Really interesting time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really interested that book comes out as rebellion. Do
Speaker 2: you know who suggests? Two people who are famous who
Speaker 2: love well, three people who are famous who love Catcher
Speaker 2: in the Rye, Bill Gates, George H. W. Bush and
Speaker 2: guess he's read at twelve hundred Timesack Obama?
Speaker 1: Right, right? Wow? Famous? Crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should end it on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. We've come full circle, all right, William,
Speaker 1: let's get you back on here. And you know it
Speaker 1: won't be the nine years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, it's been too long. Man. If you find
Speaker 2: that old interview, please send it to me. I love to.
Speaker 1: I'll look around. It may be on my other I
Speaker 1: have two channels, and maybe on my other channel. But
Speaker 1: I got well, yeah, I mean I got. I got.
Speaker 1: I got knocked off a YouTube in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: I had to what month were you at, Oh, I think.
Speaker 2: Because I was January twenty.
Speaker 1: No, no, it was during the summer. It was during
Speaker 1: the summer, and it was the run up to the election.
Speaker 1: They didn't want anybody even remotely connected to anything somewhat
Speaker 1: positive around Trump or calling out the other candidate to
Speaker 1: be in the game, right. And I had two channels
Speaker 1: at that time. One was sort of like this what
Speaker 1: we would do here, and the other is my my
Speaker 1: astrology channel, which was a much bigger channel. And I
Speaker 1: separated those channels out for those that specific reason. I
Speaker 1: didn't want my strology channel getting taken down. But because
Speaker 1: they were connected to the same account, they took them
Speaker 1: both down, and I was like, that was really fucking
Speaker 1: pissed off. So I waited at maybe about two months,
Speaker 1: and I went back to YouTube and I said, look,
Speaker 1: you took my channel down for this one channel down
Speaker 1: for whatever reason you chose. But if this other channel,
Speaker 1: they had nothing to do with it, so I'd like
Speaker 1: that channel back. And I actually got it back. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I got it back, but I was
Speaker 1: actually able to get my main channel back. But that
Speaker 1: other channel they got eighty six and it might have
Speaker 1: been on that other channel. So but I'll look around
Speaker 1: and el see if I if it's hanging out somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'll look around to I'll kind of post for it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to keep track of, like all of the
Speaker 2: channels I've lost and got back, but this is for
Speaker 2: people this twenty thirteen. Wenlana Ryder recommends JD. Salager. I've
Speaker 2: read Catcher in the Rye like twelve hundred times, oh
Speaker 2: my god, anything. She loves it, and she's made other
Speaker 2: statements like I am I really identify with Olden call
Speaker 2: Field And it's a real kind of psychologue, weird psychological
Speaker 2: phenomenon where somebody identifies with him because he's he has
Speaker 2: disassociative disorder identity disorder, his brain is scrambled, possibly schizophrenic,
Speaker 2: and their trigger words in this book that are incredible,
Speaker 2: Like if he sees the word fu, he gets really
Speaker 2: angry and wants to do ultra vib mean, it's really
Speaker 2: ultra violent, like I want to bash somebody's brain in
Speaker 2: until they bleed all over the steps, Like he literally
Speaker 2: says that a sixteen year old kid. It's really I'm
Speaker 2: not sure that Salinger wrote the whole thing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He may have, that he was involved. It goes back
Speaker 2: into World War Two because he was involved. He was
Speaker 2: fluent in French and German. He was involved in interrogations
Speaker 2: and kind of getting into people's minds, and maybe that's
Speaker 2: reflected in this book. He said he was writing Catcher
Speaker 2: in the Riot during the war, he was involved in
Speaker 2: D Day and actually ended up in a psych ward
Speaker 2: because he had what they call it shell shock or
Speaker 2: whatever back then PTS. But it would make sense because
Speaker 2: do you know that Holden Callfield's writing the book from
Speaker 2: a psych ward?
Speaker 1: I think I think I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like in a psych ward. That's where he's
Speaker 2: telling the story. So you're kind of in the mind
Speaker 2: of a guy with psychological problems.
Speaker 1: I mean so okay. So his father saw Salinger traded
Speaker 1: in Kosher cheese and was from a family of Lithuanian
Speaker 1: Jewish descent from the Russian Empire. Saul's father was the
Speaker 1: rabbi for the Joshua Congregation in Louisville, Kentucky. I did
Speaker 1: not know that about mister Salinger. Very interesting either, very interesting.
Speaker 1: All right, William, I'm letting you get back to you. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Yeah, you take care.
Speaker 2: Of Let's do another show on Catcher on the Rye.
Speaker 1: Sounds great, see lady William Peace peace, all right. That
Speaker 1: is the great William Ramsey, William Ramsey Investigates. I hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed our time with him. It's been a long
Speaker 1: time since we connected with William. And yeah, we were
Speaker 1: going to go do a very very deep, deep, deep, deep,
Speaker 1: deep detailed dive on mister Dershowitz, and it was like
Speaker 1: kind of last minute, let's switch up the let's switch
Speaker 1: up the topics a little bit and get do a
Speaker 1: little dirsh and go in this other direction. And I
Speaker 1: want to I want to thank William for being able
Speaker 1: to be flexible like that and pivot on the on
Speaker 1: the content front, and I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: being here and watching and hopefully you enjoyed the show.
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Speaker 1: the aftermath of it and h mm hmm. Eyes on
Speaker 1: the road, hands on the wheel. As I say, we'll
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Speaker 1: and I am going to be talking about the progressed
Speaker 1: chart of the United States of America, which paints a
Speaker 1: very different picture than the natal chart of the United States.
Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that. We're going to
Speaker 1: deconstruct that and a few of the things along the way.
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