WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:05.400 All right, it says we are now live playing hooked 2 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:09.320 up to my dear old microphone on. 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:17.000 A SECONDMENTO. 4 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:26.399 Here you go. All right, well, welcome to the show 5 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.839 everyone who's here currently. I'm Robert Phoenix and this is 6 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.920 the Friday Forecast, and we have people besides myself on 7 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:40.960 this show who talk most of the time. Sometimes I talk, 8 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:43.840 but most of the time it's somebody else. And I 9 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:47.560 enjoy talking with other people, including you, because every now 10 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.479 and then you show up on this show as well. 11 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:53.600 We have a little Friday Calling segment today we're gonna 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:59.079 have excuse me, we're gonna have William Ramsey join us here. Momentarily. 13 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.840 He's wrapping up another interview, and we decided to pivot 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.000 on the topic today and instead of raking Alan Dershowitz 15 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:15.959 over the coals, which I think needs to happen. There 16 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:21.359 seems to be something very dark brewing in the city 17 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:25.879 of Austin. And I'm not talking about coffee, espresso or 18 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.439 an oatmeal stout right. There have been a spate of 19 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.959 murders in Austin. Most of them have not been very 20 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:40.799 well attended to by the local police department, and they 21 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.359 sort of fit a pattern that is eerily similar to 22 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:51.079 what's known as the Smiley Face Killers. And William has 23 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.840 actually written a book on the Smiley Face Killers and 24 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.159 yeah it on his website you get on Amazon. So 25 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:07.599 there's a weird intersection here. In the weirdness is that 26 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:13.759 a lot of these bodies that are being found dead 27 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:19.479 are being found in Ladybird Lake, and that's a connection. 28 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:24.879 Water is a connection to the victims of the Smiley 29 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:31.560 Face Killer. These usually it's men, there's a profile, it's men, 30 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.759 and they go missing for a couple of days now here, 31 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.439 if they hear being Austin Texas. If they go missing 32 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.039 for a couple of days and they wind up in 33 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:50.000 the water, there's a good chance that the person who's 34 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:58.800 gone missing, well, they'll be they'll be what their death 35 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:03.560 will be described as a drowned, accidental drowning. But they 36 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:08.000 don't know how long that body has been in the water. 37 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.319 Usually what happens is that they will they will sink 38 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.960 and then they'll pop up. If there's a process where 39 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.879 the body starts to expand with gases, it's a it's 40 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.840 a it's a putrification fermentation process, which just doesn't sound 41 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.719 very nice, but that's what happens, and so unless you 42 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.159 tie the body down and begins to float up right 43 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.479 and then eventually it's discovered. So this is one of 44 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.199 the common themes with a number of these murders in 45 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:43.400 Austin that are still for the most part unsolved. And 46 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.000 the water piece also again connects it to these quote 47 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.840 unquote smiley faced killings where these victims go missing and 48 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.280 they show up in various places in water. It's not 49 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.280 always a lake is Sometimes it can be a creek, 50 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:05.879 a tributary, sometimes it can be a pond. There's almost 51 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:15.719 always water in the lungs, and there's many other things 52 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.600 that have happened to the body besides the water and lungs. 53 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.439 I'll let William sort of fill you in on what 54 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.920 those things are. But that's a theme, right, It's like, whoh, well, 55 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.199 they died of drowning, so we can just write this 56 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:38.199 off as somebody who's just died of drowning, right, But 57 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.240 what they don't really pay attention to are all the 58 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.319 other things that happen to the body, like broken and 59 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:48.079 missing teeth. And again, this is not necessarily going to 60 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.399 be a show for the feint of heart, because some 61 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:58.319 of these details can be gruesome, and of course will 62 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:03.560 you will know what those sort of details are. So anyway, 63 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.399 this is what's on the table for today. We decided 64 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.160 to make a bit of a pivot. And one of 65 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:14.040 the things that is also in part of the story 66 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.399 and in the news cycle is one of Alex Jones's 67 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:24.879 top writers. According to Alex Jones, a friend and a 68 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.040 researcher part of Info Wars, was found dead last week 69 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.839 in Austin, albeit under very different circumstances. This is not 70 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:37.120 these are not the same circumstances. He was actually found 71 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.480 dead on his property and there was blood everywhere, So 72 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.120 he didn't he didn't wind up in the lake, and 73 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.360 he was He had only gone missing to the point 74 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.879 where he didn't show up for work. And apparently he 75 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.279 was very into being a part of Info Wars, so 76 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.519 not being at work was quite significant. And then they 77 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.279 sent somebody over to you go check out him, and 78 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:03.000 that's when they found that he had been killed. Now, 79 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:09.759 the the party line where the narrative, the commonly held 80 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.319 narrative around this now a week later, is that somebody 81 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.839 broke into his car and he tried to stop them 82 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:24.600 and was murdered as a result of the potential theft 83 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.519 of the car or what was inside of the car. Now, 84 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:32.040 why this is important is because there was a record 85 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.959 of him actually reporting and confronting somebody prior to this happening, 86 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.079 and so again there's there's there's kind of a narrative, 87 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.720 but we're not really sure if that's the case. When 88 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.480 speaking of the case, the man who solves him is 89 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.600 right here with us today, mister William Ramsey. Hello, William Robert. 90 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:56.600 Good to see you, Good to be with you. 91 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.360 Yeah, yeah, I think the last time we did this, 92 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.519 we just did this with audio. I don't think there 93 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:03.560 was the video part of this. 94 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:05.959 I don't think so. I don't think it was back 95 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.199 in the day. I don't think Streme Yard was around. 96 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.680 Stream Yard, and I think YouTube was still quite nascent. 97 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:14.240 So just to give you all a bit of a 98 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.680 bit of a history, I think I had William on 99 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.399 my podcast that might have been like twenty sixteen or 100 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.720 something like that, and we talked about the West Memphis 101 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.920 three and Damian Eccles and that whole scene. Though. So 102 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:32.000 that's how long it's been here. We are nine years later, William, 103 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.079 We're both we're both still ticking here. 104 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.959 Congratulations, still ticking a little bit more gray in the 105 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.600 old air, so to speak. Yeah, along in the tooth. Yeah, 106 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.160 it's been an a dressing ride. 107 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:44.120 Yeah. 108 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.600 So uh yeah there. I mean there's a lot going 109 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.879 on we can talk about, like the problem with Dershwitz. 110 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.759 He is litigious crazy, he is. He has made statements 111 00:07:54.839 --> 00:08:00.199 recently that he's looking to sue people. And he did 112 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:05.319 get sued by Virginia Giufrey. So that was an interesting 113 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.279 court case. Now if you want to bring that up 114 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.279 on Pacer, what happened is he that case? So you 115 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:15.720 have to remember Gewfrey who did Giufray sue? Giuffray's sued. Now, 116 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.120 this is all factual information. I'm not speculating. 117 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.519 I can even I can even bring up the the 118 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:23.800 court paperwork on it. I have it right here. 119 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.199 Yeah, please bring it up. That'd be great because if 120 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.920 you remember the arrest, I think of Epstein led from 121 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:33.480 the civil this is not criminal. The civil litigation between 122 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:38.240 Virginia geu Frey and Elaine Maxwell right, who was also 123 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.639 part of her criminal arrest, was two charges were relying 124 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.960 on her deposition, but that was the that was the 125 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.159 one suit, right, So so Giuffray sued her, and if 126 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:55.480 you remember Giuffray sued the king, current King of England's brother, 127 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.519 So the current Charles the Third's brother who is Andrew, 128 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:05.240 Prince Andrew, who his mommy paid out twelve million large 129 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:11.960 like twelve million pounds to Giuffrey, who then subsequently sued Dershowitz. 130 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:19.120 So Dershowitz. That one of the interesting things civil litigation. Right, 131 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.360 it's not a criminal case. He's claims that he kept 132 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.159 his underwear on. She claims in her I think in 133 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:29.399 her uh statement that she made to the court that 134 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:35.639 he she had sexual relations with Alan Dershwitz six times. Right, 135 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.080 he has come out And anyway, that court case is 136 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:45.559 really interesting because it's a sophisticated form of civil litigation 137 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.679 where the process goes and you can watch the filings 138 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.399 and everything. By the way, Virginia Giufrey had excellent attorneys, Yes, 139 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.399 this is it she had like it was and it 140 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:59.480 actually ties into the Hunter of Biden stuff. Right, But 141 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.639 the super lawyer who I can't remember his name though. 142 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.639 Let me ask you a question. So this mentions Jane 143 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.840 Doe three and I've I've also seen Giuffrey as Jane 144 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.559 Doe one oh two, which is interesting because one O 145 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.000 two equals three. But is she Jane do three or 146 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:22.919 Jane do one O two or she both? 147 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.799 I don't recall, and I don't know, okay, but I 148 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.080 do know that she's come out of public. Her original 149 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.080 name is a Virginia Roberts, right she goes, She usually 150 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.879 actually go by Jenna when she was younger, but she 151 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.120 got married. She fled like Epstein and went to Thailand 152 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:44.320 and met a husband and became jew Frey and went 153 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.159 to things. But anyway, kind of my train of thought 154 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:51.320 about Drshowitz is this is actually really interesting and timely 155 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.360 because Dershowitz, a very skilled thing is like the good 156 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:57.039 of civil attorneys in these types of cases who sue 157 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:00.360 for millions, they'll just continue the process. So the sure 158 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.360 was on and it got all the way up to 159 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.799 where Dershowitz was about to get deposed, right, So that's 160 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.679 really where a guy like Dershowitz would have been put 161 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:17.360 under pressure because she probably Virginia has very If you're 162 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:21.080 in an intimate relationship with somebody, you can probably say 163 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:21.720 things that can. 164 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.080 Be very you, that's right. If you know the details 165 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:25.879 of their anatomy, that's. 166 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.559 All kinds right. So I think what happens is in 167 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.440 a very skilled attorney will make an agreement outside of 168 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.240 the court, like the court. The judge is kind of 169 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.519 like a good judge, not a comedy judge like we 170 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.720 have today all over the country or we've been appointed 171 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.759 by Biden. But a good judge will is like a referee, right, 172 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:49.840 He's seeing and facilitating judgment justice between two parties. That's 173 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.120 what the jurors, I mean, some of these judges are 174 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:53.919 brilliant and some are dumber. 175 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:57.639 Than Oh my god, it's amazing the disparity here. 176 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.480 And even in the Supreme Court. Like some of these guys, 177 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.480 like I went through law school and some of these 178 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:10.759 guys like Alito and these and Kavanaugh, they're freaking brilliant, dude, 179 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:15.000 they are really really really smart smart. Yeah yeah, no, 180 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.960 they're I mean, but then you. 181 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.320 Have Soda Major and KBG and it's like, are you 182 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:19.840 kidding me? 183 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.360 Total joke. Anyway, getting back to my training. Fact, So 184 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:28.120 the just the judge operates like a referee. But what 185 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.720 can happen in the courts is that these two parties 186 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.240 can come to an agreement outside of the court, even 187 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.840 though the court case is going on. They can come 188 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.159 to an agreement outside the court and settle and just 189 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.519 tell the court everything's resolved, so the court doesn't have 190 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.080 to go through the process anymore. So I think what 191 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.039 the attorneys for Jeuffrey did is got him to the 192 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.320 point where he could get in real trouble, like he 193 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.879 could actually say stuff like you that ended. Part of 194 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.240 the reason gilling Maxwell ended up in jail is because 195 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:59.519 of her testimony in a civil court. 196 00:12:59.639 --> 00:12:59.799 Right. 197 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:04.759 I think they ended up dropping those charges, the two 198 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.440 charges of her being deceptive in her civil case against you, Frank. 199 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.039 But so just to finish up what I think really 200 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.159 happened with Dershowitz, who's in the news these days, what 201 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.600 really happened is he skillfully settled with her settlement to 202 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.120 the satisfaction, and then they went back to the court 203 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:26.360 and said this case is done. There's no See. The 204 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.720 other thing is that there can be no proof of 205 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:35.000 this agreement. See. Sometimes people go through litigation processes, whether 206 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.080 you know, in a civil thing, to establish a court 207 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.440 record for the future, like I want a ruling, you know. 208 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.759 But this was more of like I think Virginia Jewfrey 209 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.200 seeking justice for her self. So I think that's what 210 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.559 happened with Dershwitz, and nobody will bring it up on 211 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.480 the mass media either. But like I said, like just 212 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:55.440 it's name. Dershowitz is really dangerous and he is a 213 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.679 person who's super crazy, So I can't say anything that's 214 00:13:58.720 --> 00:13:59.519 outside of. 215 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.519 Like right, sure, sure, I mean the speculative part is 216 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.679 the part that gets us in trouble. But what we 217 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.639 do know is that he was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer, right, 218 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:15.480 he was right, And what he did is he negotiated 219 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.840 Jeffrey Epstein's prison sentence. 220 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.279 That's a fact as well. 221 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.080 That's a fact, and a lot of people don't know 222 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:28.480 about what that looked like on Jeffrey Epstein's end. Essentially, 223 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.879 it was a super low security prison deal. He was 224 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:38.279 allowed to leave for twelve hours a day, okay, to 225 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.960 go to his office and work and report back at night. 226 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.679 And he had absolutely the best of everything he needed 227 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.720 while he was there at night in the prison. And 228 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.879 he did that for six months. This is what allan 229 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.279 So when people say, well Jeffrey Epstein went to prison 230 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.799 for no, he wasn't really prison. It was kind of 231 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.039 like play prison and as long as he showed up 232 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.200 at night, it was fine. Right, That's what he negotiated 233 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:08.320 for his client, and I guess if you're paying a lawyer, 234 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.879 that that's what you want. He want that guy to 235 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:15.639 negotiate that deal. But then the weird part is this 236 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:21.440 Batman and Robin with him and Mike Cernovich. And if 237 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.480 people aren't really kind of aware of the sequence of events, 238 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.960 Jeffrey Epstein does his little six month bid, goes back 239 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.279 to his life, and I believe there's a woman reported 240 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.240 by name. Is her name Julie Fox? Is that her 241 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.799 name at the Miami Herald? 242 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.679 Right? Yeah, she was the one that was really the 243 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.000 one who got credit for I believe she got awarded 244 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.879 a very either well what's. 245 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:49.240 She might have got? Yeah, So so she she she 246 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:53.799 gets back into this thing, and it's because she's talking 247 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.960 to to Virginia Gifray. That's where she's getting a lot 248 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.720 of her source material from. So she starts to publish 249 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.679 these pieces in the Miami Herald, and all of a sudden, 250 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:06.480 Jeffrey Epstein starts to get hot again. 251 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.759 Right, and so consequently your lawsuit with Giffray's lawsuit with 252 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:13.600 Gill Maxwell. 253 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:18.600 Right exactly, And there's the Dershowitz piece and right in 254 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.480 which she says that she in the statement Jane do three, 255 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.080 if she's Jane Do three and I've seen her as 256 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.799 Jane Do three and Jane Do one O two, that 257 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.759 this is what she's accused Alan Dershowitz of. So now 258 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:40.240 all of a sudden, Mike Cernovich and Alan Dershowitz play 259 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.759 Batman and Robin to get those court records unsealed. Now, 260 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.320 I love your opinion on this, because if Alan Dershowitz 261 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:52.799 is doing this himself, it kind of looks very self serving, 262 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.639 doesn't it. But if Mike Cernovich does it, and Mike 263 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:01.480 Cernovich having already kind of a record with Pizzagate and 264 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:06.839 you know, trafficking, now looks like, well, Mike Cernovich, who 265 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.319 I think also might be a lawyer, I'm not clearing that. 266 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:11.319 He is definitely a lawyer. He was a member of 267 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:12.559 the state part of California. 268 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.680 Okay. So now now Mike Cernovich gets to play. 269 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.119 He gets another lawyer, Rondaza. He gets this guy Rondaza 270 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.160 to do the filing for him. He actually said publicly, 271 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.440 this is verifiable. I had like twenty five thousand dollars 272 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.079 lying around, so I have decided to get involved in 273 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:29.519 this case. 274 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.319 That's what he said, right. So in the relationship with 275 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:39.319 Dershowitz and Cernovich is very weird because because publicly it 276 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:43.319 looks like it's contentious, right, but we're not really sure 277 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.960 if that's the case. It could be it could be 278 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:50.599 just you know, you know, WWE stuff, right, good guy, 279 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:54.880 bad guy. Meanwhile, he's carrying out sort of these you know, 280 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.519 the plans of Alan Dershowitz to get this stuff unsealed. 281 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.359 So Alan Dershwitz can what Virginia Giuffrey is really accusing 282 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:05.960 him and other people love. And that's where it gets 283 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.839 really tangled, because Dershowitz is trying to quote unquote clear 284 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.039 his name with this, and I don't think it has 285 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:14.920 a lot to do with, you know, bringing people to 286 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.480 justice at all. It's more, it's absolutely more self serving 287 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.720 than anything. And of course now as a result, Mike 288 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.480 Cernovich was there last week or two weeks ago as 289 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.359 a little binder with all the other Epstein gatekeepers, and 290 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.200 we've heard nothing about that since. So I'd love your 291 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.240 take on the relationship. 292 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:38.680 Of this moment, an incredible moment in the Epstein saga, 293 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.240 which has not stopped, like it is really Epstein to 294 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.559 two thousand and eight, to ge phrase the abuse of 295 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:49.160 Geufrey happened in around nineteen ninety nine, two thousand and 296 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.640 two thousand and one. I've read Virginia Giuphra's biography, so 297 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.640 I'm very familiar with her claims. These are not court claims, 298 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.880 but these are statements she made in her biography, which 299 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.640 is remarkable on a broad wide variety of levels. But 300 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.000 it hasn't ended. So Cernovich is involved with Julie Brown 301 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:11.960 or whatever from Miami, Dan Dersh and they're trying to 302 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.000 meddle with this civil case of what's going on. In 303 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.839 my opinion, they're meddling in the civil case trying to 304 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.000 get the names of these women who are named in 305 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.119 this suit of Giufrey against Giliane Maxwell, who hasn't been 306 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.839 arrested yet. And I don't think that Epstein got arrested yet. 307 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:32.319 When that civil case was done, he got arrested and 308 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:33.799 then died in jail. 309 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:35.960 But oh he's alive. 310 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:41.200 He's unlived, unlivedlived. Here's the thing, Like I said, she 311 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.920 had the best freaking lawyers. This guy, Paul Kassel should 312 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.599 have been a Supreme Court member, and you're gonna hear 313 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:51.119 him because he did something called a most. 314 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:57.359 Afternoon again Paul Cassell again from his giuffrey, we agree 315 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.240 that there should be broad unseiling of the record one 316 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.440 this case between well, there is a kind of. 317 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:06.599 Sorry I clicked on that little too politic. 318 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.279 Yeah, this is the guy. 319 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:09.599 Okay, let's hear him. 320 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.119 Sir, And you asked how should we describe mister Cernovitch. 321 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.039 We would describe him the way he described himself as 322 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.480 a quote slut sham or close quote. We would also 323 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.000 describe him as a proxy or stand in for mister Dershowitz. Dershowitz, 324 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.319 as we're going to hear shortly, is bound by a 325 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.599 protective order and cannot disclose documents, and where there were 326 00:20:28.599 --> 00:20:31.200 never any factual findings. We made that allegation in the 327 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.039 district court that the only reason mister Cernovitz showed up 328 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.079 a few days after mister Dershowitz was unable to get 329 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:40.079 some documents was that he was an ally of mister 330 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.200 Dershowitz and acting as his stand in. 331 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:47.440 There, you go, that's exactly, That's exactly what what we've 332 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:49.160 been talking about. He was like a proxy. 333 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.440 That's not me saying it. That is Paul Kassel in 334 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.440 a court of law saying that Witz couldn't get the documents. 335 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:01.200 He's under a bound order, right, and then and then 336 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.079 switch comes up, and then he basically tells the judge 337 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.119 he's a proxy standing and a slutshamer. 338 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.279 Right, right, that's not me reporting, that's not These are 339 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:13.839 all facts. The other thing too that people aren't aware of. 340 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.440 And William, I'd love love for you to comment on this. 341 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.440 While he's doing all this stuff with Epstein and negotiating 342 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:25.039 his six month Kush stay with twelve hours away, he's 343 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:32.680 also negotiating immunity, right, and Alan Dershowitz negotiates immunity for 344 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.599 himself during this whole thing. What you know about this, right? 345 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:38.680 What are your thoughts on that? 346 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.200 Right? So Dershowitz, I think had immunity back in two 347 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:46.119 thousand and seven or eight, right, he was a right 348 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.640 community and that was supposedly what That's what Epstein was 349 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:54.200 arguing after he got arrested, is that he had global 350 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.480 and mis Or lawyers were who actually said there was 351 00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.599 no indication that he's going to kill himself as two 352 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.599 lawyers at the time. He had also good, very good lawyers. 353 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.240 But Dirsch said he had immunity. But that's from a 354 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.000 criminal case, not from a civil case. 355 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.920 Yeah, so I see, you just drop the document here. 356 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:16.160 This is this document is so important, okay that I 357 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.160 have it on my website that you can read it yourself. 358 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:22.519 This is from the man you just saw, Paul Cassel. 359 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.279 This is really one of the most important Epstein documents 360 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.720 you could ever read. Is from Paul Casel. It's not me. 361 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:36.559 This is a court filing from February twenty seventeen, So 362 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:40.160 do you I think, which also attributes his inspiration to 363 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.599 attend law school to Dershowitz. Meeting Dershowitz, he inspired me 364 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:46.039 to go to law school. I mean, this is an 365 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:49.720 incredible document. I mean the pictures and the words tell 366 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.839 you everything. It's called I can put a link response 367 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.400 and opposition of motion to intervene. 368 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.519 So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I had that pulled 369 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:02.119 up as well. The other thing too, and this is 370 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:09.720 this is wild, right, like Alan, Alan Dershowitz is a 371 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:16.640 like a rabbit. I don't know what a rabbit like 372 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.640 shark like If a shark could have rabies, yeah, it 373 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:24.119 would be Alan Dershowitz. And there's another thing again, this 374 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.319 is all part of the public space and it's part 375 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.000 of the public record, which I want to bring up, 376 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:33.920 but I'll show how rabbit he is it when he Okay, 377 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:39.960 when Julie Brown, who is the reporter that we're talking about, right, 378 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:45.519 when she published all this stuff, what did she what 379 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.599 happened to her? She was harassed by Alan dershowitzow I 380 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.599 didn't know that, right. This is what she says here. 381 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.400 This is from Alternate and this was published on July 382 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.279 twenty fifth, twenty nineteen. And so these weird things are 383 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.119 happening to Julie Brown, like she's getting all these weird 384 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.680 FaceTime calls and stuff's happening to a computer and it 385 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:08.920 says here. Then she took a shot at Dershwitz, who 386 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.279 has been tangentially implicated in the Epstein case. When you 387 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.680 go after powerful people, you know they're going to try 388 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.440 to find a way to mess with you. She explained. 389 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.480 When my story in Epstein came out, Harvard Law School 390 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.839 professor and former Epstein attorney Alan Dershwitz wrote an open 391 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.519 letter to the Pulitzer Prize Committee trying to discredit my 392 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.599 work and influence the board not to reward the Miami 393 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.839 Herald a prize. He must have said a million times, 394 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:35.240 I know that you're not going to tell the truth 395 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.920 because you're just aiming for a Pulitzer. She recalled when 396 00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:40.960 I do this kind of work, that's the farthest thing 397 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:43.759 from my mind. I never thought that this Epstein story 398 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.160 would be as big as it turned out to be. 399 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.079 Never the thing that drives me is finding justice and 400 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:50.759 telling the story. People can relate to you because there's 401 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.119