Speaker 1: Yo, what is up?
Speaker 2: Boys? How's it going? And welcome back to another episode
of the Rant Cafe Anime podcast. Today we're talking about
Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, which we're forcing Recon
to watch. Me and Jordan have already watched Face Day
Night Unlimited blae Works probably a couple of times, so
we are checking out some other Fates that Ricon told
us to watch. It didn't be more of a focus
on Fate Day Night Unlimited Blade Works. But we are we.
I mean I only watched a handful of four or
five episodes, maybe six episodes of Elia, but we're mainly
talking about Fate Day Night Night, Unlimited Blade Works. Let's
jump into that first. What's up guys, Jordan recone, what up?
Speaker 1: What? Oh?
Speaker 3: Happy to be here. But I guess before we start
on Unlimited Blade Works and now that's what you want
to start with. But kid, we confirmed, did you at
least watch six episodes of Illia six?
Speaker 2: I think I technically watched more than six episodes.
Speaker 1: You didn't do your homework.
Speaker 2: This is different. I watched the entire I watched the
entire Face Day Night, Unlimited Blade Works. I rewatched the
entire Fate Day night Unlimited Blade Works for this, even
though we only need the first twelve, just saying what
I respected. But since we didn't really need to do that,
I did say, let's me and reconcert, me and Jordan
to check out some of the worse ones. And it
was worse. Oh boy, Okay, we'll talk about we'll we'll
talk about that in a little bit, but let's talk
about the first half of Unlimited Blade Works. General thoughts
to start off.
Speaker 1: All right, so I did my homework this time. I've
watched all thirteen episodes of the first season of Unlimited
Blade Works on two times, no, three times speed.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little crazy. Three times and now I'm joking.
Speaker 1: I'm joking.
Speaker 3: I'm joking.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a believer in like one point two five
one point five.
Speaker 1: I watched it about at one point two sorry one
point five. But general thoughts, overall, it's right, although it
did remind me a lot about one certain series. I
probably shouldn't really do this comparison, but I'm gonna anyways.
May I might piss people off, but who cares. But
this show reminds me a lot about handshakers. For some reason,
I don't know. Why the premise is very similar. Now granted,
now listen, listen, listen. Granted, Blade Works came out first,
but I haven't really watched any Fate series, so I'm
just making a comparison straight out of like what I've
watched before, but very similar premise in which you know,
people bomb together and fight against other people in order
to get to become winners and get that wish. Kind
of the same thing with the with the Holy Grail
war set up here. But yeah, but I hate that.
Speaker 3: You're not wrong that there's a reason started the last bracket, right, Like.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna piss people off with this with this,
but to me, Fate Stay Night Elemented Blade Works is
like a better Handshakers, if you know what I mean,
Like much much better.
Speaker 3: You know what, that could have been worse, you know,
I'll take it way around. I feel like that, but
would have got the people going, that would have been provocative.
But no, I don't think that's too far out there
of a comparison to say.
Speaker 1: I think it's the Fairst solid comparison. I just hope
I don't piss people off with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about some things you liked some things
you disliked, maybe some characters you liked, et cetera. All right, question,
if we weren't forcing you to watch this, would you
continue watching it? No, that's crazy. But I know for
a fact you're just going to force me to watch
that or we are watching the second season, because I
do think the second season is better than the first season.
I think it gets better as it goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, And I told ricon this a little
bit right before we started Briggs, but I think there's
a lot of things like this in Fate where Fait
zero is kind of the same way, where the first
season there's so much info there that there's a lot
of setup, right, there's a lot of moving parts with
a lot of different characters, and they have to set
things up. And then the second season is usually the
one that's more of a fan favorite because so much
is actually happening, right, Like it's all actually playing out
so hopefully hopefully it's the same here, whereas it's like
it's the setup that was a probably the slow parts
of it.
Speaker 2: Someone in chat I exist in chat says I don't
understand Recon's taste anymore. I know, right, I feel like
this has Wi Fu's. This has high quality animation and
good fight scenes. It's got cool, badass moments. I'm surprised
that he's not loving it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay, I guess so far. I don't
know about the second season, but it's just my personal opinion.
It's okay so far. But the animation is gorgeous. That's
that's the probably my favorite thing about this show because
of because it's spice to you, you votable. It's just
gorgeous to look at.
Speaker 3: But very good.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 3: The fight they're good, the backgrounds are good, et cetera.
Everything's so pretty.
Speaker 2: What do you think of our main character, shiro Emia?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I told this to Jordan already before you
even joined joined. But I'm not really a big fan
of him.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: He just has huge he gives me the the He
just has so much deco energy. Man, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: He just has so much deco energy.
Speaker 1: He's it's just a weak, puny, fucking high schooler who
just gets given powers after wielding the sword I think
saber sword for the first time when he summoned her,
and then he just gets granted power by being the Master.
I'm like, oh, it's decor all over again. Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, every every Master and and Fate is going
to have like the power of their servant to an
extent right and things like that.
Speaker 2: But I guess so, I don't remember Shiro ever wielding
Sabers sword. If anything, he he's able to manifest the
same two swords as Archer after watching him.
Speaker 1: Know if it was her sword, but he grabbed a
sword to fight back and doing the first episode and
then again.
Speaker 3: It gets the someone's spirit against the servant, just the
high schooler throwing hands right or swords in the case.
Speaker 2: I will yes, I will say that's one positive to
the original Fate State Night version as well. Face Day
Night Unlimited Blade Works is great. It's better. I like
the Fate Day Night version for some small reasons. It
almost doesn't make sense. But in Face Day Night, he
actually puts on more. He puts up more of a
fight against Lancer, like he he he hangs in there
for more, blows, a little bit more of a fight.
It's a little bit drawn out, a little bit more
against Lancer, who compared to what he does in Face
Stay Day Night Unlimited Blade Works. But it's still cool
and blade works. Yeah, he was getting trained. He was
getting trained with a wooden sword from Saber. Yes, and
he ended up being.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's right. He's a what is he in
the kendo club?
Speaker 2: I think kendo? I think Sabers is training him. Sabers
just training him. But he ended up being better with.
Speaker 3: Oh I was saying. He ended up getting his butt whooped,
and he's like, I want to get stronger, right. He's
definitely a hard working guy, very diligent, very Uh it's
not like he was giving a lot of guidance on
the path of a mage. But he's a very weak mage.
But he's been doing that thing that he does every
day for so long and uh yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I like Hiro as a character, right, I don't know.
I feel like he gets to flack.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting. I feel like I never used
to like Shiro as a character because he was He's
obviously very like naive and like to get people taking
advantage of him. He's a bit on the weaker side.
I feel I didn't like him when I was young.
Now that I'm older, upon rewatch, I'm liking him a
lot more because he knows that he's being taken advantage of.
He's just a good guy and will do it anyway.
There's there's there's little things that I appreciate more upon rewatching. Now.
Speaker 3: He's a very interesting character because I think he's well written.
But I could see why people would find him annoying
because he is that goody goody two shoes to like
a to a like cartoonishly exaggerated extent. Right as far
as Rinn even says at one point, I believe like
she perspects like how kind he is, but she like
still degrades like how selfless he is, right, because he
really does have that like survivor's guilt from his tragic backstory,
and like because of that, like he he wants to
save everybody he doesn't, like, he feels guilty for the
fact that he's alive, so he wants to save everybody else.
And there's not really any uh you know that doesn't
really go with reality as we know it, right, So
it's like the clash of those two things, the ideals
and the realism, right, and he's the idealistics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, maybe we should have made recon Watch Fate
zero first, because I think you would have appreciated. Damn,
you would have appreciated Shiro's maybe backstory more. I think
Fate State I unloaded believe works could have went into
his backstory a little bit more because they say he
has survivors guilt. We know that he's like kind of
like the only survivor after like some tragedy involving the
last Holy Grail war that's mentioned. But it would have
been if they put a.
Speaker 3: Little too much right, like it's there and like he
flashes back to it a lot, and it's just very brief,
I believe, right like it doesn't ever.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think.
Speaker 1: You do get the flashbacks. You do get the flashbacks.
It does have a little bit of discussion about that.
But to me, the story in Fate was kind of
like whatever, but it mainly focused a lot about the
encounters with the characters and the fight scenes and the
and the animation. Like that was pretty much the strongest
point to me for the show. The story is like
more on the side more or less.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like there's a lot of mystery
in Fate too. Are you Are you a big fan
of the mystery genre the e ricon or.
Speaker 1: I don't really watch much mystery these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Especially this season, especially the anime that come out are
just a lot of generic sicis and overpower tropes and
shit like that, very very little on the mystery stuff, gotcha.
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that is because, you know,
Briggs mentioned potentially watching Fate zero first, which is the
way I watched it. But I think that there's pros
and const to watching it either way. And I think
the biggest pro to watching Fate Day Night first would
be there's a lot more mystery involved, right as far
as uh, kind of what the characters want, who they
are as people, like how things are playing out and uh,
and and you know, who the heroic spirits are in
this case is always a big mystery, right, So we
know the Lancer is like a you know, an Irish
demigod who has like the gay bold spear, Like that's
all kind of revealed. But for all the others, I'm
pretty sure like it's kind of still like a big
point of mystery for pretty much all of them, right, Like, even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, in this show, for some reason, at
least for the first half, you don't get too much
about every character only very only very few, like you
said about Lancer, but others like like Archer. I still
want to know more about Archer because he's probably my
favorite character so far. You don't get much about him,
same as the others like Berzerker castor not too much
from them. But I don't know if we're even gonna
see them again. I mean, yeah, thing you guys probably
know about, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's a castle, a lot of characters, right, they all
have to play.
Speaker 1: There's so many characters.
Speaker 3: You can't finish the Battle Royale without all the characters happening.
So there's only one out thus far, which I'm not
gonna lie. The first time I watched this, that made
me so sad because all the promotion material, you see,
I saw that purple haired girl, I saw how cute
she was, and I was like that, there's the best
girl right there, I decided before I even went in.
She gets like off screened, like they fought like a
clone over and then writer is already out. She's already
like so any thoughts, I guess on that, like that,
was that not the most like disappointing thing of the
entire series, right?
Speaker 2: I feel like that version of Rider like that. That
spirit just gets wrecked every in every phase.
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't care much about her.
Speaker 2: She's already dead in Ilia too. She got wrecked in
Ilia like for second episode, second episode gets wrecked. What
do you think of like Rin and Saber soccer? Uh?
The the female leads or the female characters.
Speaker 1: Written written is pretty much kind of the same, more
or less from the first version that we watched.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh, she's a witch and not true also a mass
not true? What do you mean true?
Speaker 2: She is much more of assumed today in this version,
significantly of assume today in this version, more more behind
as well.
Speaker 1: It's more or less the same as the first version.
Speaker 2: Not the same.
Speaker 3: I mean, I always saw a few episodes of Face
Day Night, but the same to me, recone, you're not.
Speaker 1: Too I don't know, I just like she's the same
as Fate.
Speaker 2: Part of the fun of Fate is comparing all the
different versions. And I don't get me wrong, Wren is similar.
She's still the same person. But in this version, you know,
she maybe cares a little bit more for sheiro Amia
and we get to see that side of her more.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, I actually I only watched
few episodes of Face Day Night. But I feel like
the biggest thing for Unlimited Blade Works is we do
a lot more of Rinn, right, Like the whole prequel
episode it is like forty to fifty minutes might be
a fifty minute episode. It's like all from her perspective,
like leading up to uh to that point where the
where the routes diverge, and so we got the whole
build up that we get in the first few episode
of Face Day Night, Like we basically get to see
all that, but from Rin's perspective as well, right, So
it's very interesting to see a lot of shadowing in there.
It's fun.
Speaker 2: The reason for that is because it's based off of
like a game, like a visual novel, right, and this
root is Wrin's root, So yeah, we get more of it.
Speaker 3: Pre con tell me is that one of your biggest
complaints about this is that Hiro is not a very
good like hair atagonist. He chooses a route and then
this is.
Speaker 1: Not a harem by any means necessary at all.
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean zero is a harem. I think you'll
like Phase zero. Guys, like, okay, the biggest Harom protagonist
in anime okay, but I don't know. It's like Routes right.
Speaker 1: Regarding the other female characters Rider, it's trash and is awesome.
That one purple hair girl the love interest for SHEI
whatever the fuck her name, was absolutely useless Soccer, absolutely
useless of a character for some reason based base take.
Speaker 3: Girl though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly the best girl for me alongside Wrinn would
be Castor.
Speaker 3: I love there we go.
Speaker 1: I awesome, awesome character.
Speaker 3: And you haven't seen the best part about Caster yet,
Like that's in part two.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing we don't. I don't know much
about her at all, and I'm tepting I want to
find out more.
Speaker 2: It's funny though, because I I, having watched Heaven's feel
I just feel bad for Soccer. I like soccer. I
feel bad for her. But at the same time, it
was havn't seen like the last one I watched, So
I watched like the Dean version, Eliment, Blade Works, I
watched Zero, I watched all these different versions, and I'm
like Fox Soccer. She just why are you even here?
To get out of here? Why you even here? Why
in her house? Why are you in his house?
Speaker 1: Why are you here? Why you're in his house. Why
are you waste Why are you wasting my time? Why
are you on the screen? Just get out, let the
story continue. But yeah, I also do appreciate in this
anime that it's not just all about you know one
v ones. You know, it's it's not just about a
master and a servant versus another master and a servant,
because you do get duos as well, you know, like
written helping out Chiro and fighting together against a much
much more stronger opponent, and that was awesome to see.
But the fight scenes are just awesome. I really like
the fight scenes, quality animation, lots of cool characters. But
as soon as written explained the premise of the Holy
Grail War, I think it was an episode two or three,
I don't remember, uh, I was like, yeah, this is
pretty much just Handshaker's two point oh but better, which
is cool.
Speaker 2: I like it. I hate comparison, but you you have
to agree, though, Briggs, I am right, Okay, do you
have a favorite character?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite character so far?
Speaker 1: Archer? But I do have a much more favorite character,
and that is Gilgamesh will come later on, because yeah,
I've seen what he can do. I've seen what he
can do.
Speaker 2: So how I will say, have you seen what you
could do?
Speaker 1: I kind of saw some YouTube clips a long time
ago about what he can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, is one of my favorite characters. So that's
that's great. Archer. Glad you're loving Archer. I loved Archer,
especially at this point in the game, and for this version,
Archer's the goat.
Speaker 3: So you know how I mentioned that there's a lot
of mystery and fate recon. You know what's crazy is
for a lot of these like if you watch through
all of Unlimited Blade works, it's not even like you
get answers to all those questions you might have, right, Like,
it's it's different routes, so like there's some things that
you'll just never get addressed in this route ever, Like, yeah,
that's true. So there's things around you know, I don't know,
like are you questioning maybe why Gilgamesh and Soccer are
like talking around or like while they were together at
bits and times and things like that, or I was
all this stuff you doing in the background.
Speaker 1: Actually, now that you mentioned it, I was. But he's
just so secretive, like you don't know much about gilgames
He's just there in the back plot. He's just he's
just there in the background. Whatever plotting is evil schemes,
but I want to see, Like, but from what I've
seen on the YouTube clips, I probably you know that
was a while ago, but I've seen the Sheiro versus
Gilgamesh fight and I'm like, oh my god, that is
like one of the best things I've ever seen it season.
Speaker 2: Doesn't Yes, doesn't that make you want to get there?
Speaker 1: I kind of do. Man, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, You've just it just blows my mind that
you watched Ilia, You've watched Apocryphile, which I haven't watched yet,
so I can't really speak next.
Speaker 1: But about Apocrypha. By the way, Apocrypha is better than
Fate unlimited Blade works.
Speaker 2: That's just and my favorite character is with it because
I dropped Apocrypha after like one or two episodes, so like,
I can't really argue and say, no, I don't think
I completely disliked it.
Speaker 3: It was very difficult.
Speaker 1: But this is like my absolute super hot take on
the whole Fate series about everything so far, fan Apographa
is better than anything and is the best character of
all time, my girl, the best one.
Speaker 2: I would say, like ninety percent of people who watch
Fate would disagree with you because they've seen Fate zero. However,
I do have one person in my chat who's a
gigantic Fate fan knows so much information and they love apocrypha,
which makes you want to get back into apocrypha. But
we also have likes to since I said fuck apocrypha,
so fair, let's dive a little into Ilia real quick here, Jordan,
I'll let you.
Speaker 1: Guys take the lead on this. One.
Speaker 3: First thing I want to say about Ilia is after like,
there was about five or six times where I had
to just pause just because it was referencing stuff and
like Fate, stay Night and whatnot. And I appreciate it
when it was doing that, but then I'm like, it
just blew my mind that Recon had watched through all
of this, but I had never like I was trying
to wrap my head about how how Ilio would feel
if I didn't get any of the references or any
of the other points. It was like hard to even
wrap my head around because there were so many things
that were happening that were like such a one to
one I shot was.
Speaker 2: I feel like Recon might be the only person in
the world to have not seen Blade Works or Zero
but have watched No, not only Apocrypha, but also Fate
Prism Ilia. Listen.
Speaker 1: I only watched them because they were part of the season. Okay,
I just decided to go with the train ride and
stick around with it.
Speaker 3: So here's a really cool fact though, breaks Like, I
know you watched Face Day Night, but uh, but when
Ilia season one came out, you know, there was an
Unlimited Blade Works movie I think that Diana had done
or something like that, but uh, but you hadn't done
Unlimited Blade Works yet, Unlimited.
Speaker 2: E Blaid Works. Yeah, Fate Stay Night Dean version had
definitely been out, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that came out like two thousand and six,
but it was like two d eleven or twenty twelve.
Whenever uh and one did Zero the year before One
Day Fade zero, it was like in between zero zero
was like twenty ten or something along those lines. So
it was like in between those two is whenever Ilio
season one came out, which is like why it kind
of blew my mind some of the things that were
in it because uh, you know, a lot of the
soundtracks are still good because it takes inspiration from the novels,
so it's a lot of the same soundtracks, just different
variations of it. And then did you did you at
least make it through the fight that was midway through?
Speaker 2: I watched a good chunk of it. Did I watch
it super I? So my idea for this kind of
podcast was kind of the re Experienced day Night Unlimited
Blade works zero with with Recon, but also check out
some of the shittier ones, or maybe not shittier ones
and give them a chance. So I was pine of
watching only two or three episodes, and then you told
me I got to watch the episode six in a
d M. I kind of tried to get there episode
two if they finished the fight with Ryder, if I
remember correctly, and this other girl showed up and used
a Lancer card and said, you're gay, like gay bulge,
which is the name of the spear, the name of
the spear of the attack or something which I always
find is funny, which it.
Speaker 3: Happens like spear or whatever in Irish, like in Irish Gan. Yeah, yeah,
so it's like it's like Irish pathology, got it. So
it's yeah, it's like he's an Irish Demiguid, so like
that was the name of his spirit.
Speaker 2: So cool. So basically, what was I gonna say? So
I watched those two episodes or three episodes pretty thoroughly,
but I just wanted to give my general thoughts on this.
I don't like it. I'm not a fan. It's just
worse fate. It's funny to me, though, It's it's really
funny if I wasn't expecting what was going to happen,
because we've seen the soccer route, we've seen the rin Root,
we've seen the saber route, I wasn't really expecting a
Shiro and Ilia Vaughan Einsberg route as her as like
a magical girl, and so rather than being like Mage's
and magis, they have like these wands and they're magical girls,
and it's not a tournament for the Holy Grail, but
instead they're trying to save the world and collect the
cards and shit like that, and it's it's actually a
cool spinoff. I think it's a cool spinoff idea, and
I think it has a different target demographic for sure,
and I'm not that target target demographic.
Speaker 3: Uh see, I'm torn on that because I feel like
it does subvert the typical magical girl genre in a
lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it does.
Speaker 3: I went into this expecting not to like it because
I've heard so much hate for it, and I've heard
a few people I did like it as well, But
I thought Ilio was actually really well done. I enjoyed
it way more than I thought I would. I might
like it more than Unlimited Blade Works.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm glad you did. I think it's just impossible
for me not to compare it to the other and
I really struggle because this is more humorous, it's more comedic.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I didn't necessarily look at it
as like a comparison to those other works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't, but I struggle not to.
Speaker 3: So here's one of the things that, like, it might
be tough for me to touch on as far as the
reason I probably liked the Ilia the most because I
don't want to spoil Fate zero or like the second
half of Unlimited Blade Works for recon. But like Fate
in general, just talking typical tone is very depressing, very
There's a lot of dark shit in like all the
other Fate series that I've seen, So, like, you take
some of those same characters that you know and love,
and you could see them just be happy for once
having life. Like there's parts of that that just warmed
my heart, right, Like we could see iris Field kind
of come in and give motherly advice in the second
half the season, and yeah, she was like best girl
Fate zero for me. So I'm like, all right, you
know that's dude here for that.
Speaker 2: It's just so funny. I don't know why this wasn't
expecting like, oh, this spinoff series, Like I'm I guess
they just all have Shiro and in it. I just
wasn't expect thing like a younger looking Shiro and like
Ilia von Einsberg, the girl who has she has she
summons hercules in Fate Stay and Unlimited Blade works to
be like the main girl in this one, and then
like Rynn shows up. I just I don't know why.
I just wasn't ready for it. I should have been ready,
considering that fucking every Fate that I've experienced does Apophiro
in it. I don't remember. I thought it didn't. I
thought it was a different character.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a lot of those same charactersk doesn't have
hiro Wauku for Ilia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just really it's another route, but now they're
magical girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing is like it is like its
own spin off entirely as far as uh, Like in
Fate Stay Night, like Ilia is the older sister, right,
Like she's like eighteen and Shiro's like seventeen, but Ilia,
like they just lean all the way in Shiro is
still seventeen, but she they made her like ten. Right,
So it's like you go back to she wasn't like
basically Fate zero.
Speaker 2: But I thought in Fate Stay Night, Ilia was really young,
isn't she?
Speaker 3: No, she's eighteen, like she's she because she was there
in she was like eight years old like facey remembering.
Speaker 1: Alien Prisma is the prequel. Ilia Prisma is the prequel,
and it's.
Speaker 3: Not a prequel. It's spin off entirely. It's not it's
not related in any way, a different universe.
Speaker 2: Is she not the one who summons hercules? In face
they not unlimited blade works?
Speaker 3: Yeah she is? Yeah, okay, so she just look look
at hercules. She looks a little bit young. O.
Speaker 2: I am sot herric No not hercules, not hercules? What
am I talking about? She summoned like the berserker guy.
Speaker 1: Oh the berserker.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 1: I was like, who's Hercules?
Speaker 2: I did an oopsy but but yeah, so I didn't
let she was eighteen. I thought she was. She looked
that she was fucking twelve.
Speaker 3: That's the thing is like she would be like the
older sister, right, Like she was so young in phase
zero and then like ten years go by, right, So it's, uh,
it's one of those things where I don't know, you
see so many sad things throughout the other face then
you just see them all together and happy and stuff
for for Ilia, and that made me happy. Yeah, But
then also it had is stuff in there too, where
like there's the tone shifts in like a Modoka type
way where it's like, oh, like I didn't ask for this,
but suddenly I am risking my life in these fights
to the death. And then uh, in the middle of
the season you just get this, like randomly, you get
one of the better fights that I've seen in Fate
with like safer alter coming out of nowhere. Yeah, like
the first time ever being animated, great soundtracks, and like
it's like a multi episode fight. I was watching that,
watching that fight right for the podcast, I'm like, man,
it's crazy to think that this came out before Unlimited
Blade works or having feel or any of that, and
it's it's still so good. Like I don't know, I
was fanboying a little bit when I saw Safer Alters,
so it was a fun time question.
Speaker 2: Recon mm hm. Based on your experience of all these
fates thus far, do you know who any of these
heroic spirits are?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: You mean heroic spirits like the Servants, the Servants.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, the Servants. No, not really at all.
Speaker 2: I like that because I.
Speaker 1: Barely know much about them, to be honest. But that's
why they're just interesting good, They're interesting characters.
Speaker 2: I'm happy I kind of spoiled one, but other than that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't matter if you spoiled one. I
don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Cool, great, fantastic, It is funny to see that, and
stuff like the Servants are supposed to be like the strongest,
you know, characters throughout history and whatnot. And then you just,
I guess, thinking about like the mystery elements of A
Face Day night. What did you think about like the
ending of or around the end of episode twelve where
you suddenly see Kire like throwing hands with a like
Castor invades the church and then Bro is fighting for
his life there. But he's also putting up a fight, right,
like there's warriors in this day and age too. Right,
as we've seen.
Speaker 1: It was good.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate Shiro, you know, doing his best, trying to
get stronger. But in the end, Renn is like, just
stay away from this or you're gonna die. But you
can see it as he sure just doesn't. He ain't
gonna back down.
Speaker 2: He's gonna keep on going.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get better, He's gonna get stronger, which which
you know is protagon his power. It's cool, but I
still don't appreciate the decu vibes coming from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does have a bit of a more shown
in field right Whenever.
Speaker 1: Honestly, the final battle between dem.
Speaker 2: And cast awesome, very cool, and the battles just get
better and better.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I just want to see that Gilgamesh fight, man,
I want to see it in action.
Speaker 3: Everybody's always so excited about the fights. But you know
what about the days, that's what pretty much they ate lunch.
We got to sabor eat lunch.
Speaker 2: See, that's that's something you don't experience. That's something you
don't experience in Dean. That's something you don't experience in
the Dean one. You don't get a date episode with Wrin,
and that might be a plus for the unbloomited Blade Work.
It's not gonna lie. I like seeing the warmer kinder
sign of Wrin that soon the side of Wrin. Sometimes.
Speaker 3: I still think one of my favorites and all of
Unlimited Blade Works is just like him opening the door
seeing Rin and just closing it. I don't know why,
Like it seems like that always cracked me up, but
I think it's super angry.
Speaker 1: Right. The slice of life stuff is cool, you know,
the school life and all that stuff and the dates
and the hanging out, but that's just it's all just
fillers until the main events come in. You know, it's
just a filler stuff.
Speaker 3: Break my heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, watching Unlimited Blade Works again, I love Archer so
much as a character.
Speaker 3: Agree, He's very good.
Speaker 1: Definitely a badass character, but a stallful better Just you know,
putting that out there.
Speaker 2: And I will say, knowing what I know now having
watched the Other Fates, I think rewatching Fates and seeing
Archer is a whole different experience thinking about it. But
that's something for Recon to find out and learn about
in the second season, which is what we're gonna do
next week. You only have a little bit of homework left.
You have the rest.
Speaker 1: But if I don't do my homework for the next episode,
you just.
Speaker 2: Need to watch twelve. You're gonna love it. It's good.
It's good. Trust me, it's good. You're gonna love it.
All you do is finish Unlimited Blade Works, and then
we're gonna watch Fate zero again, which is gonna be great.
I can't wait to rewatch that.
Speaker 3: We get to watch Ilia everything about Fate.
Speaker 2: Can we just move on to no series?
Speaker 1: Why do we move on to sort out online arc?
How about that?
Speaker 2: We could? We could, but not next week because next
week's Unlimited Blade.
Speaker 3: Works and season two right break?
Speaker 1: No wait wait wait wait wait, oh wait wait wait wait.
You gotta watch something you can't just back.
Speaker 2: I will, I will watch something. I would. I would
happily watch six episodes or even twelve of Apocrypha or
isn't there a grand Or I watched Ilia, I have
my opinion the spinoff. I'm down for something else.
Speaker 3: Everything's a spin off and Fate. That's that's the whole
point is like there's the main series with the limited
laid works in Heavens Feel and Zero and whatnot, and
then there everything else is a spin off.
Speaker 2: Okay, so isn't what other fates are there? There's Grand
Order and there's Apocrypha. Correct have you seen Grand Order?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen either of those.
Speaker 1: Honestly, you guys just watched Apografa.
Speaker 2: I'm down to give Apographa a second chance. I'll try
and watch a lot of it, Okay, Okay, if not,
I'll try to watch the entire season if it's only
twelve episodes. I never agreed to that for Elie, Okay,
I knew what Elio looked like, and I'm like, I'm
not really that damn. I'm gonna pull a recon, but
I will check it out.
Speaker 1: Okay, But what did you think about the Yurie stuff? Though?
Speaker 2: It was like it wasn't like real yury Though. I
felt like it was like different comedy, right.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It like, it really wasn't a lot
in that first season. I've seen a lot of gifts
and stuff where like it's more kind of into it,
and I think that's later seasons. Yeah, more at the
very end of season one, where's some uri stuff, but like, uh,
like for the most most of the part, like there's
a lot of like live comedy aspects that are very
lighthearted and then there's some more serious stuff and it
kind of goes back and forth between those two for
uh for the duration of that first season.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, like, is it that Elia has
like a little bit of a crush on Mew but
like I don't more so the other way around, but
on the way around me you on Ilia all the
way around into the.
Speaker 3: Service part a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it leans into it, but I feel like it
leans in it into it for this a humor perspective,
And I'm like, is this the reason why Jordan maybe
keep on watching? Just I could kind of see this?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I wanted to see as the Safer Altar
fight because like that was like episodes like four through
six or whatever, but like it just kept going, but
it was very epic. In like episode six, we get
to see iris Field basically do like the Archer transformation
where she basically becomes Archer and has to fight Saber Alter,
and I'm like this is one of the iron ironically
one of my favorite fights in Fate, and it was
just really well done. I didn't expect that midway through
season one of ilia of all things, like I just
caught me off guard.
Speaker 2: I need to watch four through six a little bit better.
I kind of of. I watched the first three pretty
pretty thoroughly.
Speaker 3: It's like, all just a very serious fight. But like
I was, I was, I was very I was genuinely shocked,
but like pleasantly surprised, like uh with it? So all right,
so and then it goes back to some slice of
life stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm very excited to watch Handshaker's two
point oh season two.
Speaker 3: Let's go, Let's go, Let's go.
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to hearing your opinions on the
second half because there's some crazy shit reveals mystery wise
battles endings to the end of this season, So I'm
excited to see what you got going from Loanding Blade
Work season two and your thoughts on that. I'm excited
to watch Apocrypha because I actually have heard some good things,
even though I didn't really love it when I first
checked it out.
Speaker 1: Pretty good. I like it. You're gonna like Astolfo.
Speaker 3: I have heard good things about Ulfo. I will say, is.
Speaker 2: There anything else that we need to talk about though?
For Unlimited Blade Work Season one?
Speaker 1: Really? I mean I've said everything. I've said my opinion
about it. Uh, you know, I move.
Speaker 2: On to the next You talked about the characters. He
talked about some fights. He talked about like some of
the Slice of Life moments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty much it. Characters are a lot of
the characters are good. Don't like the protagonist though very much,
but most of the side characters they outsigne him, spice
so much. Moments I can't really say there's big moments
so far. It's like it's building up. It's building up
to something. So yeah, no moments so far.
Speaker 2: I like the casters Mage just being able to throw
hands was good. That was cool. That was a cool fight.
Just he's just an absolute beast. Yeah, out of out
of nowhere. He's like the teacher. And it was kind
of like foreshadowed because Saber even acknowledged, like the way
he walked and held himself and like he seems like
a good man. Maybe he's not a good man, but
definitely a warrior. And that's how Saper kind of identified that.
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't really think about that too much
as far as because he did surprise me, but I
was thinking Kire might surprise as Reconn being able to
throw hands and whatnot as well. But then watching Fate
Stay Night first and just seeing all the different characters
randomly able to throw hands, like, sure, that is a
is a whopper. There's some good fights in there.
Speaker 2: Although in the Dean version you get to see Shiro
against Lancer early on. I already mentioned this, but I
remember him like he used like a crumpled up like
a piece of paper or like a piece of paper,
and he hardened it and he blocked a couple of things,
and then he did the thing where he opened it
up and used it as a shield. In the Dean version,
it was a couple of moments from hims like, dude,
he's fighting Lancer, and I'm sure Lancer's not going all
out obviously, but still it was just like it was
a testament to like what Shiro has the potential to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there's a lot of foreshadowing and unlimited blade work,
So like rewatching some of those first few episodes and
just trying to pay attention to that was very, very
fun So it's a very rewatchabul series.
Speaker 2: Do we think hundred percent? Does ilil Sorry I'm jumping
back and forth. Crazy. Does Elia like Shiro in the
in the prison one?
Speaker 3: Uh like a little bit? Yeah, Like there's some uh
like it plays into that as like a fan service part,
like she like is like having a dream where she's
like trying to kiss him or whatever and then she
she's kissing like the other girl instead or whatever.
Speaker 2: So like it plays in there's some it's more of
a playing thing for comedic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does claim but but yeah, like it definitely
felt comedic.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, but Shiro doesn't do much an Alia
like he's just pretty much the background care lied blade work.
Speaker 3: She hates Hiro right like as we've seen yeah in
season one, so like it's crazy seeing her up here
out of nowhere and you have no context of who
she is or like why she's there, but she walks
up and says like O neechean or whatever, like she
calls him brother. Yeah, like there's a lot of mystery
there and unlimited blade work.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys are into that, by all means,
keep on watching it for that stuff.
Speaker 3: No, I've talked about a little bit of Blade works
here as far as like she walks up when she
was first introduced and calls him brother. Right, So, like
the fact that they're does does it even say like
why or.
Speaker 2: Not explained at all?
Speaker 3: I don't think really not explained, That's what I'm saying, Like,
I don't think it does. It doesn't explain a lot,
and that's why I'm trying not to go too far
into it. But like it's fun just seeing stuff like
that happen with no explanation, just adding to the mysteries.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, and Shield doesn't even like react or like
as a weird reaction. I'm like, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like heroes just kind of always out of the loop.
He's just kind of yeah, he's a little bit of
a I don't know, he doesn't think too much about things.
He just kind of does, right, Man of Action.
Speaker 2: Fair.
Speaker 1: So the plan is Fate arc and then Sao arc deal.
Speaker 2: Okay, in regards to Sao, are we just rewatching the
original or like are we talking about the other arcs?
And like the movies, isn't there a movie that like
redes the original.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's an awesomeess perspective.
Speaker 2: M I would like to watch that. I'd be down
to watch that. Nah, come on, you gotta watch.
Speaker 1: The main Man.
Speaker 2: Though, you can't just watch Austin. I've watched it twice,
though I could. I can give you all my opinions
without watching it.
Speaker 1: You're literally gonna it's gonna be the same. It's just
in her perspective. Just read a less badass basically, like
less you're gonna get less action with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know there is a lot of essay what
I probably haven't seen because, like I said, I watched
the first two seasons like pretty much when they came
out because I'd read a little bit of it prior.
But I've never rewatched either. So Mother's Rose Area would
be like the last arc I have any familiarity with,
Wasn't there like a whole other like spinoff or like
there's also movies and stuff after that, and there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of there's a lot of movies. There's a lot of
movies on this show. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're next week Fate Day Night, Unlimited, Blade
Works season two, and Apocrypha, So I have to watch
some Apographa this week Curcy Briggs.
Speaker 3: I held off on watching ilias reason too, because I
didn't want to like get too far ahead.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to check them out. I want to
check them out the other one.
Speaker 3: That's my goal, alright, Apocrypha it is. I. I am
excited to see Astulfo. I've heard nothing but good things
about about that guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as my girl, and I think that's a great
way to end up girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah as usual, as usual. Love you guys, shint pocku,
and I'll see you all next time. He