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True Murder with your host, 36 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:37.200 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 37 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.719 Good evening. This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 38 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.920 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True Crime 39 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.840 History and the authors that have written about them. Never 40 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.239 trust the chained captive. That was one one of the 41 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:04.680 rules David Parker Ray posted on the isolated property where 42 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:08.599 he and his girlfriend Cynthia Hendy lived near New Mexico's 43 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.680 Elephant Butt Lake. They called their windowless trailer the toy Box, 44 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.719 and over the years they lured countless young women into 45 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:21.280 its chamber of unspeakable pain and horror and filmed every moment. 46 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:28.199 A satanist, Ray was the center of a web of saddism, sex, slavery, 47 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:32.080 and murder authorities suspect he'd murdered more than sixty women. 48 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.919 In October twenty eleven, a flood of tips led to 49 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:39.719 a renewed search for the remains of more possible victims. 50 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.680 This updated edition reveals all the details, along with the 51 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:48.680 inside story on the controversial movie based on these unforgettable events. 52 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.879 The book we're featuring this evening as a true crime classic, 53 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.439 it is Slow Death by the late great Jim Fielder, 54 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:01.360 with my special guest journalist and Pinnacle Offe author Sheila Johnson. 55 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.719 Welcome back to the program, Sheila Johnson, and thank you 56 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:06.080 for agreeing to this interview. 57 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:09.560 Oh, thank you. It's always a pleasure to come and 58 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.240 talk to you, and I'm especially pleased to get to 59 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:16.039 talk about the update on this book. This was the 60 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:20.039 first Pinnacle book I ever read before my own first 61 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:25.039 book was published, and I was so impressed and so 62 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:30.800 just completely taken aback by what David Parker Ray had done. 63 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:31.960 I was. 64 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:34.319 It made a tremendous impression on me. 65 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.120 Now you say this was the first Pinnacle true crime 66 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:45.919 book that you had had read, was there any influence 67 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.159 with Again, a lot of authors sort of stay away 68 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:54.400 from the more horrific stories, and David Parker Ray is 69 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:56.840 one of those that not for the faint of heart 70 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.560 at all, and one of the most horrific and the 71 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:06.560 most horrifying stories. It was it a little bit of 72 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.400 a was it any any Was this book any influence 73 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:14.560 to you on the kinds of subject matters, of the 74 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.199 kinds of stories that you chose to cover in your 75 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:18.759 own books? 76 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.839 Well, not so much that it was a tremendous influence 77 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.199 on me, because of the quality of work that he did. 78 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.480 He was just a meticulous interviewer and researcher, and I 79 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:35.959 was really impressed by that. From my own books, I've 80 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.959 had to sort of deal with what was in my 81 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:43.000 own backyard more than you know, more national type stories, 82 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:47.879 So I didn't choose things for that reason so much. 83 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.800 Of course I have. I have run up on some 84 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:55.319 humdingers right here in south end of the country. But 85 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.120 I think the major influence that this book had we 86 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.600 were just seeing that he was able to tell this 87 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.319 story in such a thorough and detailed manner, and I 88 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.439 felt like it was a story that really needed to 89 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.680 be told. I think there's an awful lot of people 90 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.839 out there that don't even realize that people like David 91 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:21.040 Parker Ray really exist until something blows up. And if 92 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.639 he hadn't gotten caught, he would he would probably have 93 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.439 gone on for no telling how many more victims with 94 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:31.480 his torture and murdering and things. So, you know, I think, 95 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.079 I just think this is a very worthwhile book for 96 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.439 anybody to read that has an interest in true crime. 97 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.839 If they have not read it, they absolutely need to. 98 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.560 And if they didn't read it, or if they did 99 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.199 read it in the past, they needed to check out 100 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.399 this update because there's just an incredible amount of things 101 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:54.519 that have happened with this story since this book was written. 102 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.120 Right now. Yeah, I I'm very interested in myself and 103 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.680 hearing about the movie because I had no idea this 104 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.839 controversial movie based on the on the story itself too so, 105 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.319 And just for those people that are listening to when 106 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.279 did Jim Fielder pass away, I'm not. 107 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:20.399 Sure exactly when. I believe it was probably about twenty 108 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:25.399 ten or eleven, because he did some investigation discovery programs 109 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.519 in two thousand and eight. In two thousand and nine, 110 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.839 and I didn't know that he had passed away until 111 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.120 my editor called me and asked me if I would 112 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:34.680 be interested in updating the book. 113 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.199 Now, tell us about that it was that Mikela Hamilton 114 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:44.319 and if yeah, tell us about that conversation. And because 115 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:46.680 we already know that this was this is the first 116 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.480 Pinnacle that you read, and of course that it influenced 117 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.040 you in terms of the investigative journalism that he practiced 118 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.199 with this, the meticulous detail and covering all the bases 119 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.000 and doing all the extensive interviews. Tell us about the 120 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:04.920 conversation with Mikeel Hamilton from Kensington Press in Temacle Imprint. 121 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.639 Well, she called me one day and asked if I 122 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:12.240 would be interested in writing an update for this book, 123 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.399 because I think it was first published in two thousand 124 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:20.439 and three, and she said that she knew from conversations 125 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.160 with mister Fieldy that quite a bit had happened. And 126 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.560 I said, well, sure, you know, let me get on 127 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.000 the internet and look around a little bit and see 128 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.879 what it is and see, you know about how big 129 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:35.959 this update's going to be. And I was just astounded 130 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.199 when I saw how many different developments there had been 131 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:43.120 in this case. I mean, David Parker Ray died in 132 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.040 two thousand and two in prison, and he was still 133 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.240 out there or you might could consider that he was 134 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.639 out there pulling everybody strings, just like a puppet master, 135 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.199 because all these things kept happening to people who he 136 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:03.600 had been involved with, his victims, various and southern, other 137 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.639 people that he dealt with, and it was like he 138 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.839 was still there and still just as sick and evil 139 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.040 and a bad as he ever was. And I immediately 140 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.439 got back with her and said, oh goodness, yes, I'll 141 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.360 write the update and I'll let you know how long 142 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.519 it'll be as I go. And I ended up with 143 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:29.439 I think over sixty pages just of updated material. There 144 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.759 were so many different topics, but. 145 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:39.519 Uh, incredible. It s also Fielder had had continued with 146 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:40.879 the investigation all. 147 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:45.000 These years, and he was planning on writing the update himself, 148 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:49.240 and evidently he died before he could get it done. 149 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:52.480 And mm there were some of the things that had 150 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.519 happened that had even taken place after he died, some 151 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:01.440 of the largest developments in the case. And I was 152 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.320 just really I considered it an honor to be asked 153 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.120 to do it because it was one of their best, 154 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:10.919 biggest titles that they had ever had. It was just 155 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:15.240 such an amazing book. And then to get the privilege 156 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:17.679 ab up date, and I was just really pleased. 157 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.720 Well, if you, if you could be so kind, give 158 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:24.360 us a give our audience for those that don't know 159 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.559 this incredible story or don't know this incredible story well enough, 160 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.720 tell us give us a synopsis of the story itself, 161 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.320 what the David Parker Ray and the accomplices, because amazingly 162 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.320 there's accomplices in this, and then tell us about the updates. 163 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:43.759 I think that's about the only that's the best way 164 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.120 I think to explain this is give us the nature 165 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.559 of the evil of David Parker Ray and his various accomplices, 166 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:55.279 and then we could talk about Cynthia Vigil as well 167 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.480 that led to the discovery of this entire hell on 168 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:04.120 earth here, and then tell us about with investigation and 169 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.039 what was uncovered, even like you say, even after Jim 170 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:12.440 had passed away and these latest and greatest developments from 171 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:13.399 David Parker Ray. 172 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:20.480 Okay, okay, well, slow death is his story and all 173 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.960 the other people that were sort of operating on the 174 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:29.919 fringes of his just really sick and perverted group, including 175 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.960 his daughter. Her name was Jesse Ray, and she would 176 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.799 get out and help him lure young girls on some 177 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.480 occasions to come to what they called the toy box. 178 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.840 It was this one hundred thousand dollars custom built trailer 179 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.159 that he had fixed up in just a total torture chamber. 180 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.559 It had every kind of torture device you could ever imagine, 181 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.879 hanging on the walls that had a led the covered 182 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.039 bench that he would strap people down to well women. 183 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:06.679 He never tortured a man as far as I was 184 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.559 able to find out. It had whips and chains, pulleys 185 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.879 and all kinds of straps and clamps and spreader bars 186 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:18.600 and surgical blades and saws. And he had a camcorder 187 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.600 that sat right there at the end of his exam table, 188 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.480 as he referred to it, and he had it set 189 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:29.879 up to make videos of his victims while he was 190 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.879 torturing him. And then he had a monitor up above 191 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.240 that table so that they would have to watch what 192 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.639 was being done to them. And there's just there's no 193 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.320 describing the terrible things that he would do. And there's 194 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:49.480 several instances here in the book where they transcribed these long, 195 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:52.960 long tapes that he had made for his victims, and 196 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.519 he would play that for them, telling them what was 197 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:59.240 gonna happen to him while they were strapped down there 198 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.039 in the toy botts. And another thing he had in 199 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:06.799 there was a like a carpet lined casket that he 200 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:10.720 would put his victims in between torture sessions and have 201 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.120 him in there in the dark and and terrified, and 202 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.039 that I guess was as bad a torture as anything 203 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:21.000 he could have come up with. And it has been 204 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:25.080 estimated by what he has said in his journals that 205 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.639 the FBI was able to get hold of. And luckily 206 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.440 he kept journals because that helped him locate some other 207 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.440 things as long as they went. But he said in 208 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:40.639 those journals that he had killed around forty women, and 209 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:45.720 course they've never found nearly as much evidence of him 210 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.080 doing that, but they think that it's just because he 211 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.440 was a very good at hiding bodies. And he was 212 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:57.559 finally caught when, uh, the Cynthia that you mentioned, he 213 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.440 had kept her for about three days and just with 214 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.039 a dog collar around her neck and a long chain, 215 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.000 and she managed to get hold of an ice pick 216 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:12.200 and stab his girlfriend and get loose and went running 217 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.919 down the roads dark naked except for a chain and 218 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:19.279 a and a collar and managed to get help. And 219 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:21.320 if it had not been for that, he would have 220 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.360 gone right on and wouldn't have been caught. And there 221 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.840 was a lot of speculation that he was also using 222 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.120 amnesia inducing drugs that he was giving to a lot 223 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:32.879 of these women, and that he had a lot more 224 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.000 victims out there that he had drugged to the point 225 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.919 that they didn't even realize they had been assaulted and 226 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.279 tortured like that. So, you know, there's always been a 227 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:46.159 big call that's gone up for anybody that remembers anything 228 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.720 to please, you know, come to the authorities. But we'll 229 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:55.000 never really know the truth about his victims because you know, 230 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:59.000 there's nobody there to tell it. Now he's he's dead, and. 231 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.879 But there was videotapes. What's incredible is that right in 232 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:12.279 the very beginning of the book describes this is in 233 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.879 the prologue to the original Slow Death. If I could, 234 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.000 I'd like to read this because this is the horror 235 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:23.679 of David Parker Ray. Smoke was pouring out from between 236 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:27.039 her legs the sacred place for God had intended for 237 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.279 this young woman to give birth to a baby someday. 238 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.519 Eight Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI special agents watched the 239 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.399 homemade videotape with a growing sense of horror crossing their 240 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.360 somber faces. Their eyes follow the two people torturing the 241 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.440 faces victims, David Parker Ray fifty nine and his girlfriend 242 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:51.000 Cynthia Sincely Lee Hendy thirty nine. The criminals hovered over 243 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.480 the naked woman and stuck a hot cattle prod inside 244 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.159 her vagina, watching her body rith and pain. The agents 245 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.519 kept their eyes on Ray and Handy. The federal investigators 246 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:06.840 were sitting inside in eighteen eighty twenty foot wide cargo 247 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.159 trailer where the crime had taken place. The trailer was 248 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.279 parked on the edge of a bass road along the 249 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:16.000 shoreline of the larger lake in New Mexico, Elephant but Lake. 250 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.840 The partners in crime lived on the outskirts of a 251 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:27.679 small town called Truth or Consequences. Yeah, they go on 252 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:32.120 from there. That's the kind of videotapes that were created 253 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.720 at this toy box as well. 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Digley bonuses 276 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.600 are raiting, no purchase necessary board We're prohibited by Lockey 277 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.360 Team plus terms and conditions applying see website for details. 278 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.080 So he had to go back and stay in jail 279 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.720 for a while longer, and then when they finally came 280 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.639 up with a place that was approved to move to, 281 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.599 he's still on probation til two, two thousand fifteen, and 282 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.519 he was the the main you know, accomplished that he 283 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.359 had that actually committed a a murder that. 284 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:16.920 They know of. 285 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.160 Now it's possible that uh, Cindy Hendy might have also 286 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:26.960 Cynthia Hendy, and uh she was in prison. I have 287 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.000 not been able to find out if she's still in 288 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.119 prison at this time or not, but she was for 289 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.599 quite a while for I think Aiden and betting his 290 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:48.039 crime against uh Synthia, Oh excuse me, Cynthia Vigil. But uh, 291 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:54.160 there's one victim that I would like to recognize as 292 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:58.839 a victim because technically she wasn't. But at the time 293 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.000 when the FBI was first going in to that toy 294 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.480 box and seeing everything that was in there and all 295 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:09.799 the terrible devices he had invented, there was an FBI agent, 296 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:14.559 special Agent Patricia Rust, who her job was to go 297 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.759 in there and sketch all these different devices of his. 298 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:25.759 And evidently that really really got to her because not 299 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.839 too long after she had that assignment, she committed suicide. 300 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.920 And I've always felt like that was just another victim 301 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:34.880 of his right there. 302 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:41.480 Absolutely I would like it because that, yeah, it must 303 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.480 have been its very Jim captures that horror as well, 304 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.160 that she goes home and then commits suicide just from 305 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:54.839 I guess any shred of any humanity left after seeing 306 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.160 witnessing that. So, yeah, it's a very touching part of 307 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:02.799 the book. Now you say that you ah, there was 308 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.880 a further investigation, and I'm I'm assuming that would be 309 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.720 about other victims and maybe the location of other bodies 310 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.440 or or maybe maybe not so tell us about some 311 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.200 of the other developments that had occurred since this case 312 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.720 and since his uh imprisonment and then death shortly after well. 313 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:25.119 The major development. In two thousand eleven, the UH authorities 314 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:28.640 reported that they had received some what they referred to 315 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:34.519 as extremely credible information about a young girl whose name 316 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:39.359 was Jill Troya and he had right had mentioned in 317 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:44.400 his journal that he had UH taken an Oriental woman 318 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.720 for a victim and had killed her. And this girl 319 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:53.240 was Oriental, and the time frame fit the age that 320 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:58.440 she was fit, and she was a a friend, she 321 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:02.640 was dating his daughter, Jesse Wow, And the last time 322 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.480 anybody saw Jill alive, she and Jesse had had a 323 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.559 fight and Jesse called her daddy supposedly to come and 324 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.559 pick her up at the bar club where they were 325 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:21.279 in Truth or Consequences, and nobody ever saw this Jill again. 326 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.680 She just disappeared without a trace. And that is what 327 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:29.119 the tip was about that was received in twenty eleven, 328 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.880 and as a result, there was just an enormous search 329 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.799 effort that went on out there at Elephant b at Lake, 330 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:42.799 and they worked on that for for weeks and got 331 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.480 all sorts of other tips and information in. They found 332 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.920 several things out there, and then they had some other 333 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:54.640 people that gave 'em further information. There was a man 334 00:20:55.559 --> 00:21:00.160 that had used to deliver loads of concrete there to 335 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:06.160 the park at Elephant Lake State Park where where Ray worked, 336 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.599 and he would deliver the concrete there to Ray up 337 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.240 in and out of the way area where nobody was around. 338 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.720 He wouldn't let the guy watch what he was doing 339 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:18.319 with it. He wouldn't let him get out of the 340 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.200 truck up there, and what he was doing was putting 341 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.519 it in some great, big, oversized, huge truck tires that 342 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.640 this delivery man said were plenty big enough to hide 343 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:32.160 a body in. And he got thinking after this came 344 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:37.279 out about Jill Troya being missing, that uh Ray could 345 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.759 have been hiding bodies in those tires all that time. 346 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:41.920 He told him that they was getting them done to 347 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.119 anchor down the marina, but they never made their way 348 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.799 down there, so if they did, they want to another 349 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.000 section of the lake. But that was one of the 350 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:55.319 thi pieces of information that came in. And when word 351 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:59.240 were spreading about the search for Jill Troy's remains or 352 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.839 anything else can find, an Elpasso dentist called in and 353 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.279 told him that he had been at the lake and 354 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.279 the water was way down at that time because of 355 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.000 the drought, further lower than it had been for a 356 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.920 long time, and he found some human leg bones out 357 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.680 there turned them in to the authorities. He found a 358 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.960 choke chain collar that was found nearby there, and he 359 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:30.319 found a blue T shirt that had been left there 360 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.200 for some time, and they said those bones were so 361 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:36.559 weathered that they were not confident that they'd ever be 362 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.039 able to get any DNA information from them. But I 363 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.880 think at the last update I had on it that 364 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:49.599 they were still attempting to and they found a fake 365 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:54.680 ID in the Ray's house and with a lot of 366 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:55.599 other stuff. 367 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:55.759 That he had. 368 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.799 He was bad to keep souvenirs, and one of the 369 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:01.880 things he found was an idea of a real pretty, 370 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:05.759 dark haired woman, and they just immediately panicked, thinking that 371 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.960 was a victim, and put out all sorts of feelers 372 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.119 about that. But the woman showed up and you know, 373 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.119 said it wasn't her, and she didn't know when she 374 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.559 lost that idea or how he got hold of it 375 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:21.680 or anything of the sort. I myself think that she 376 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.759 probably let it get away from her, but with it 377 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.680 being a fake, she wouldn't want to admit that it 378 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:34.880 was not hers. And his last victim, Cynthia, the jail 379 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:41.519 had overheard him and Cindy Hendy talking about other victims 380 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.440 of his that had been given drugs and then let go, 381 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.640 and she made a plea for people to come forward 382 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:54.359 while they were conducting this search in twenty eleven. There 383 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.279 she said, please, you know, if you have any information, 384 00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:59.799 or if you even think anything might have been done 385 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.279 toe you, please come forward and and help solve these things. 386 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:04.480 Right. 387 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.440 She was very very cooperative and to me also one 388 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:15.519 of the the most interesting things. The FBI had collected 389 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:19.559 all sorts of jewelry and and accessories and things of 390 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:24.279 that nature out of raised trailer after he was arrested 391 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.519 and they put thirty four pages of pictures on the 392 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.640 FBI's website and they probably are still there. They had 393 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.599 hundreds of photos of of things that he had taken. 394 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:40.640 Also put it on Facebook, and I would encourage anybody 395 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:43.880 that might happen to be listening that had any kind 396 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:48.319 of a missing person in the Southwest back at that time, 397 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.920 please get on there and look at those items, because 398 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.279 some of them are just very cheapest little pieces of 399 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.200 costume jewelry, and others are very obviously one of a 400 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.359 kind and made pieces that could not be mistaken for 401 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:06.640